| 00:05.36 | A1win | is starbound (already) fun to play? |
| 00:07.42 | JademusSreg | Dunno how to interpret question. |
| 00:08.20 | A1win | or is it even in playable beta yet? :P |
| 00:08.33 | A1win | i.e. should I consider preordering it |
| 00:09.02 | JademusSreg | I've logged 24 hours on it, so far. |
| 00:11.41 | A1win | I'll take that as a 'yes', then |
| 00:28.24 | A1win | is there a limit to the number of characters? |
| 00:28.49 | JademusSreg | Dunno. |
| 00:28.53 | JademusSreg | Hadn't tested. |
| 00:29.18 | A1win | how about modifying them after creation? |
| 00:33.32 | JademusSreg | Not of which I am aware. |
| 00:51.54 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 00:51.58 | Bounty | dat logo? |
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| 01:35.32 | Bommes | "NEW - GLOBAL_RANK_SCRUB_RANK_DESC You can't lose stars at this rank." String reference in the new hearthstone patch. |
| 01:36.00 | Bommes | so I can officially call other players scrubs now, clearly |
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| 02:15.36 | Bounty | I think really make a sequel to Haunted Forest that makes it so the ghost is player controlled |
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| 02:25.16 | DeadZergling | I think I hate working with sounds |
| 02:26.38 | Bounty | Why |
| 02:28.28 | DeadZergling | gotta listen to them all to see if they have what you want |
| 02:28.35 | DeadZergling | then edit them to be such |
| 02:28.47 | DeadZergling | is just very time consuming and annoying, and can't listen to music while doing so |
| 02:28.48 | Bounty | Its very rewarding when you nail it though lol |
| 02:31.34 | DeadZergling | quite possibly, the worst song I've ever listened to: http://www.freesound.org/people/toiletrolltube/sounds/209530/ |
| 02:31.54 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:31.56 | Bounty | <3 free sound |
| 02:32.10 | Bounty | Free Sound and Incompetech ftw |
| 02:32.15 | Bounty | All you could ever need |
| 02:33.02 | DeadZergling | yea, just listen to 20 seconds of that one I linked |
| 02:33.04 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 02:33.09 | Bounty | I listened to about 4 |
| 02:33.15 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:33.15 | Bounty | not sure what someone would use that for... |
| 02:33.27 | DeadZergling | 3 people downloaded |
| 02:33.33 | DeadZergling | meaning 3 people may no longer have roommates |
| 02:34.11 | DeadZergling | easy really, know what your roommate's routine is, what agmes they play |
| 02:34.15 | DeadZergling | do some editing :) |
| 02:34.45 | DeadZergling | just imagine their joy upon having their game's music replaced with that |
| 02:35.06 | DeadZergling | or having that be their computer startup sound |
| 02:35.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:36.17 | DeadZergling | gaps of it could be used as part of a robot death noise too |
| 02:36.58 | Bounty | I wonder how "free" freesound and incompetech are |
| 02:37.06 | Bounty | like if you use their assets and make a million dollar game |
| 02:37.13 | Bounty | Wonder if they would come knocking |
| 02:40.26 | Bounty | Anyways, care to give input on another concept DeadZergling? :) |
| 02:41.37 | DeadZergling | only if you care to likely get it torn apart! |
| 02:42.04 | Bounty | I'm used to it by now |
| 02:42.08 | Bounty | Basically what I'm thinking is |
| 02:42.34 | Bounty | Haunted Forest, but with player controlled enemies. Types types, the first would be the typical one that kills you upon staring. The second is one that kills you by touching you. |
| 02:42.47 | Bounty | and depending on the number of players, you could have 1 of those after you or both |
| 02:43.09 | DeadZergling | well the issue with this type always is, one side tends to SUCK to be |
| 02:43.53 | DeadZergling | my concern with anything with that is to make both sides fun to be |
| 02:44.06 | Bounty | of course |
| 02:44.08 | DeadZergling | you got magical touching death powers eh, oh yea, well watch me pick up crates! |
| 02:44.12 | Bounty | I would make it so you could play vs AI |
| 02:44.21 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:45.22 | DeadZergling | dunno if it'd be worth the effort honestly |
| 02:45.31 | DeadZergling | for a couple reasons |
| 02:45.46 | DeadZergling | one, no one wants to be the poor little civilians if they got the choice |
| 02:46.10 | Bounty | well no shit |
| 02:46.19 | Bounty | I would innovate on that as well |
| 02:46.25 | DeadZergling | two, due to one, all you typically get to kill are AI wimps, and slaughtering computers isn't ANYWHERE as thrilling as players |
| 02:46.53 | Bounty | I could give them weapons |
| 02:47.11 | DeadZergling | not saying it can't be done |
| 02:47.22 | DeadZergling | but one side is always OP/more fun from what I've seen |
| 02:47.24 | Bounty | I am a fan of the slender formula |
| 02:47.29 | Bounty | the whole stalking mechanic |
| 02:47.34 | Bounty | I think you can do a lot with it |
| 02:47.45 | Bounty | I could be wrong though |
| 02:47.52 | Bounty | and HF could have just been a fluke lol |
| 02:48.15 | DeadZergling | hard to say, a sequel might be popular, this other thing though, it could go either way |
| 02:49.02 | DeadZergling | just not sure this idea is worth the effort |
| 02:49.14 | Bounty | Making a game is not much effort for me |
| 02:49.19 | Bounty | Being a trigger whore and all |
| 02:49.54 | DeadZergling | can't imagine small projects being too horrible for me either really |
| 02:50.06 | DeadZergling | I just can't finish this damn first one |
| 02:50.54 | Bounty | Its not that my games are small projects |
| 02:50.57 | Bounty | I'm just quick lol |
| 02:51.02 | Bounty | Because I cheat |
| 02:51.18 | Bounty | JademusSreg has said it best |
| 02:51.24 | Bounty | "Bounty finds a way" |
| 02:52.03 | Bounty | What is your game again DeadZergling? an RPG right? |
| 02:52.25 | DeadZergling | yep, with the issue of the maker being a perfectionist, and only getting 3-5 hours a night tops to work on it at all |
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| 02:56.02 | DeadZergling | I'm strongly considering throwing a small thing together after I get certain goals accomplished on this project |
| 02:58.37 | Bounty | Why not start a kickstarter |
| 02:58.42 | Bounty | Get Blizz to back you |
| 02:58.51 | Bounty | Show em what you have so far |
| 03:02.15 | DeadZergling | maybe, not sure it is polished enough for anything like that yet |
| 03:03.10 | DeadZergling | Pretty hard to be too motivated after SCU had so much trouble, and they got their funding on a lie imo, and them putting their own money into it |
| 03:03.25 | DeadZergling | I'm certainly not offering a suppose starcraft 2 MMO, lol |
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| 03:05.32 | Bounty | I just sent Blizz an email |
| 03:05.40 | Bounty | asking what type of support I can expect from them when I come back |
| 03:05.42 | Deathbringer | Would anyone know how to create a custom model for Sc2 Editor? |
| 03:07.06 | Bounty | I'm sure someone does, going to be hard to track down one of those people though lol |
| 03:07.35 | Deathbringer | Kueken |
| 03:09.09 | Kueken | yes |
| 03:09.20 | Kueken | impatient much? |
| 03:09.44 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:09.51 | Bounty | you missed the timer Kueken |
| 03:09.57 | Bounty | 60 seconds or bail |
| 03:17.08 | Bounty | What do you think you are best at as a developer DeadZergling? |
| 03:20.30 | DeadZergling | making gameplay in fact, fun |
| 03:21.14 | DeadZergling | spent a lot of time getting rid of the most minor of glitches in ability to control your character |
| 03:21.20 | Bounty | Be more specific |
| 03:21.36 | Bounty | Because I get the same compliments lol |
| 03:21.48 | Bounty | and I know that is not what I am best at |
| 03:21.54 | Bounty | like in terms of design |
| 03:22.07 | Bounty | Name that one thing that you know your a f*cking genius at |
| 03:22.08 | Bounty | >.< |
| 03:22.29 | DeadZergling | the perfectionist in me does not allow me to make any such grand claims |
| 03:22.43 | Bounty | Ok |
| 03:22.46 | Bounty | Let me rephrase |
| 03:22.59 | Bounty | Name that one thing that you consider your 6th sense, it just comes natural to you |
| 03:23.07 | Bounty | gotta have one |
| 03:23.16 | DeadZergling | I focus on being able to control your guy exactly how you want him to, and on monsters being a huge pita |
| 03:23.26 | DeadZergling | whether a game sucks or not, I know nearly instantly |
| 03:23.45 | Bounty | Name 5 games you think suck |
| 03:24.54 | DeadZergling | SCU, Wow tower defense, tofu, test of survival, egod's diablo 2 |
| 03:25.13 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:25.22 | Bounty | Man I so hate to agree with you on that last one :( |
| 03:25.29 | Bounty | and the first |
| 03:25.40 | Bounty | tofu is fun when you're drunk though |
| 03:25.42 | DeadZergling | I hate to agree with myself on SCU |
| 03:25.47 | Bounty | yeah :( |
| 03:25.49 | DeadZergling | I can tell how hard they worked on it |
| 03:25.52 | Bounty | They just don't get it... |
| 03:25.54 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 03:25.55 | DeadZergling | but they forgot to make it fun |
| 03:25.56 | Bounty | Agreed |
| 03:25.58 | Bounty | yeah |
| 03:26.15 | Bounty | They just literally copied WoW and put it in sc2 with only up to 14 players |
| 03:26.17 | DeadZergling | have a ridiculous amount of background knowledge on MMORPG |
| 03:26.20 | Bounty | could have done so much more with it |
| 03:26.25 | Bounty | pisses me off |
| 03:26.30 | DeadZergling | so I can make boss fights really interesting |
| 03:26.53 | Bounty | I like to think I am good at making boss fights but I don't think I am |
| 03:27.05 | Bounty | I think I am good at setting the scene |
| 03:27.08 | DeadZergling | this causes me issues sometimes, I try to make too much unique |
| 03:27.14 | DeadZergling | is why my heroes have taken so long |
| 03:27.21 | Bounty | nothing wrong with that |
| 03:27.37 | DeadZergling | I not only want all 5 classes to play very differently |
| 03:27.53 | DeadZergling | but 2 people of the same class might have a completely different play style |
| 03:27.58 | Bounty | I spend more time on music and immersion than I do game design |
| 03:28.03 | Bounty | in terms of brainstorming |
| 03:28.06 | DeadZergling | that the class supports |
| 03:28.18 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 03:28.21 | Bounty | Thats a good thing... |
| 03:28.24 | Bounty | like Path of exile |
| 03:28.38 | Bounty | When you choose class X, you should not end up like another class X |
| 03:28.45 | Bounty | the similarities should end there |
| 03:29.14 | DeadZergling | each class being unique only works for PVE focused games |
| 03:29.18 | DeadZergling | PVP, everyone wants everything, that's not fair, blah blah blah |
| 03:30.10 | Bounty | yeah |
| 03:30.14 | Bounty | I agree |
| 03:30.22 | Bounty | My dream would be to create a true pvp and pve game lol |
| 03:30.30 | DeadZergling | is why games like quake, doom were so successful |
| 03:30.32 | Bounty | and have them both play the same |
| 03:30.36 | DeadZergling | everyone had the same options |
| 03:31.16 | DeadZergling | true PVE and PVP game would be everyone is the same class, unfortunately |
| 03:32.55 | Bounty | I think you have the gift of the educated player |
| 03:33.03 | Bounty | While still being a developer lol |
| 03:33.14 | Bounty | In that you see past what typically fools most players into thinking a game is fun |
| 03:33.17 | Bounty | or "awesome" |
| 03:34.25 | Bounty | Make sense? |
| 03:34.55 | Bounty | Hopefully that won't interfere with you in the development of your game, in terms of polish |
| 03:35.17 | DeadZergling | hope not, I know it needs to be somewhat flashy |
| 03:35.25 | DeadZergling | but I won't go overboard for performance sake |
| 03:35.47 | DeadZergling | I was messing around with movers a lot last couple days |
| 03:35.54 | DeadZergling | I made perhaps the most fucked up missile ever |
| 03:36.18 | DeadZergling | it just kind of slowly staggered forward, very very slowly |
| 03:36.56 | DeadZergling | was almost comical, but I think I might make an ability out of it, be a massive blob of energy you have to lure enemies into |
| 03:37.15 | Bounty | I'm telling you |
| 03:37.24 | Bounty | If data is giving you a ton of trouble |
| 03:37.28 | DeadZergling | but have to make it dangerous to players |
| 03:37.29 | Bounty | Do it in triggers |
| 03:37.32 | DeadZergling | to add that element to it |
| 03:37.52 | Bounty | I cannot stress enough that triggers are quite efficient with the exception of sounds and animations |
| 03:38.08 | DeadZergling | it isn't so much that data is evil and I can't handle it |
| 03:38.11 | Bounty | Playing sounds and playing animations in triggers are insanely intensive |
| 03:38.17 | Bounty | I know |
| 03:38.22 | Bounty | Data is very time consuming |
| 03:38.24 | DeadZergling | so much in the sheer volume of what I'm trying to do |
| 03:38.47 | Bounty | Are you familiar with action definitions? |
| 03:38.58 | DeadZergling | yep, nice in that you can leave them void |
| 03:39.05 | DeadZergling | and not have to use custom script to callem |
| 03:39.22 | Bounty | Action definitions are how I create all of my abilities |
| 03:39.29 | Bounty | Instead of piles of data |
| 03:39.34 | Bounty | I put it all in an action definition |
| 03:39.41 | Bounty | and fire it when the player fires the ability |
| 03:39.53 | Bounty | works perfectly fine, no performance hit |
| 03:40.00 | Bounty | with the exception of sound effects and animations |
| 03:40.12 | Bounty | What I found works best is dummy behaviors |
| 03:40.30 | DeadZergling | aye, made more than a few data/trigger hybrids |
| 03:40.33 | Bounty | The action definition applies the behavior which plays the sound effects and the animation |
| 03:40.36 | Bounty | yeah |
| 03:40.38 | Bounty | very efficient |
| 03:40.48 | Bounty | I mean its really preference I guess |
| 03:40.56 | Bounty | They're equal |
| 03:41.01 | Bounty | In most areas |
| 03:41.17 | DeadZergling | yea, at this point I've worked with data so much |
| 03:41.33 | DeadZergling | new abilities really aren't much of an issue unless I'm trying to do something new |
| 03:41.44 | Bounty | Working with data is good because sometimes you do run into those situations that you need that knowledge |
| 03:41.47 | DeadZergling | Example, day or two ago I decided my blind ability was fucking worthless |
| 03:41.57 | DeadZergling | so I changed it into Blind Terror |
| 03:42.25 | DeadZergling | and it now causes the unit to have no vision, and randomly wander all over while the behavior is active |
| 03:43.09 | DeadZergling | had to fiddle with it for quite awhile to make it do what I wanted, I was quite annoyed to learn that it was only mad at me for choosing the wrong Move ability |
| 03:43.12 | Bounty | I think this is the best example of masking trigger based abilities as data |
| 03:43.13 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTReYn31OQw |
| 03:43.13 | DeadZergling | hate that shit, lol |
| 03:43.33 | Bounty | Data is much more difficult to make changes to |
| 03:44.03 | Bounty | btw that game |
| 03:44.10 | Bounty | Would have been my greatest achievement ever lol |
| 03:44.20 | Bounty | If I was not running Vista and it decided to wipe my HDD |
| 03:44.25 | Bounty | son of a bitch |
| 03:45.36 | DeadZergling | data can be |
| 03:45.43 | DeadZergling | can also be easier in other ways |
| 03:45.52 | DeadZergling | after you get a pile of abilities piled up |
| 03:46.20 | DeadZergling | in addition to knowing just how to make certain ones without even thinking about it much, can dupe parts of other ones, link them together |
| 03:46.22 | Bounty | I did like 6 classes with 6 abilities each |
| 03:46.24 | DeadZergling | if you know what you need to do |
| 03:46.26 | Bounty | in a week or two |
| 03:46.33 | Bounty | no way I could have done what I did in data |
| 03:46.38 | Bounty | for Project Avatars lol |
| 03:47.01 | DeadZergling | the abilities aren't so hard typically |
| 03:47.06 | DeadZergling | making them look cool is another matter |
| 03:48.53 | DeadZergling | anywho, I need to get going Bounty |
| 03:49.00 | Bounty | alrighty |
| 03:49.32 | DeadZergling | good luck with your blizzard response :) |
| 03:49.58 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:50.01 | Bounty | yeah... |
| 03:50.04 | Bounty | we'll see about that |
| 03:50.55 | A1win | (you don't need everyone to be the same class in pvp, just have the option to switch class) |
| 03:52.59 | Bounty | What are you referring to A1win |
| 03:53.02 | Bounty | alittle late... |
| 03:53.03 | Bounty | lol |
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| 05:20.49 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 05:21.02 | ArcanePariah | doesn't see anything that goes quack, is sad |
| 05:26.18 | Kueken | sorry, only chicken here |
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| 05:37.17 | rtschutter | Damn Arcane |
| 05:37.24 | ArcanePariah | Why only chicken? Is it because everything taste like chicken? |
| 05:37.27 | ArcanePariah | ??? |
| 05:37.33 | rtschutter | that thing retrieves the map name but there is no way to compare it for a condition |
| 05:37.37 | rtschutter | so I can't actually do anything with it |
| 05:37.38 | rtschutter | so close |
| 05:37.54 | ArcanePariah | :( |
| 05:43.08 | turtles1 | How do you get the name of the map? I thought there was a "map name" trigger or somesuch |
| 05:43.13 | turtles1 | but I can't find it |
| 05:43.23 | ArcanePariah | Its a function, text |
| 05:43.34 | ArcanePariah | And thus useless except for display purposes |
| 05:43.54 | turtles1 | oooohhhh |
| 05:44.09 | turtles1 | yeah, I was looking at string functions which would be actually useful |
| 05:44.19 | ArcanePariah | :D |
| 05:44.38 | turtles1 | It's a shame you can't do much with text. Theres no even basic text -> string conversion |
| 05:45.08 | turtles1 | even if you loose all the formatting data it would be at least a way to manipulate text |
| 05:45.40 | ArcanePariah | Well, it boils down to the fact that text is localized, so doing something like if (Var1 == "Name"), wouldn't work on any non english locale |
| 05:47.19 | turtles1 | well, it would be handy if everything was handled as strings |
| 05:47.38 | turtles1 | but some functions like the map name only give text |
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| 08:22.11 | G0A | lol http://selfiesatfunerals.tumblr.com/post/69596028648/obama-has-taken-a-funeral-selfie-so-our-work-here-is |
| 08:37.13 | Fisker | our prime minister is going to be fucking famous now |
| 08:38.10 | kingTD | reminds me the few secs of that niggers ceremony where all those speeches for african and all those fuckers there just being happy in background for being on big screen TT |
| 08:42.56 | kingTD | anyways http://pasteboard.co/1URpOsmN.png |
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| 08:47.35 | kingTD | zol http://pasteboard.co/1URpOsmN.png |
| 08:50.45 | Zolden | yea, it's good, now how are you going to use this information |
| 08:54.02 | kingTD | idk.... its colorful... cant stop clicking render new image :DDD |
| 08:54.51 | kingTD | here is how it looks in game http://pasteboard.co/1USbIdj6.png |
| 09:01.49 | kingTD | ok need to make so tea and make this shit work! |
| 09:48.23 | G0A | we should combine it with pictionary:D |
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| 10:00.21 | kingTD | have a bit old script that uses dialog buttons to draw tiles. |
| 10:00.55 | kingTD | includes the shift key for hold and then u wont need to click them |
| 10:01.00 | kingTD | just move mouse around |
| 10:10.32 | Zolden | btw, about "won't need to click" |
| 10:10.37 | Zolden | G0A how's slide doing? |
| 10:18.13 | kingTD | surely clicking |
| 10:18.25 | kingTD | it really could follow the mouse |
| 10:18.37 | kingTD | but that would be really laggy and unresponsive |
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| 10:23.52 | G0A | what about slide? |
| 10:23.56 | G0A | Zolden |
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| 10:29.07 | Zolden | NO FUCKING CLICKS, THAT'S WHAT ABOUT FUCKING SLIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:29.28 | Zolden | fuckingTD |
| 10:31.51 | duckies | yea G0A it would be a much more chill game if you followed noobinaboxes example and got rid of that malicious mouse rape you subject us to every time we slide. |
| 10:32.59 | duckies | of course, then we would pester you about unresponsiviness and delay =D |
| 10:33.06 | duckies | tough luck :> |
| 10:33.55 | Zolden | tough duck |
| 10:35.47 | kingTD | u can always add optional controls |
| 10:36.13 | Zolden | what if players will have an ability to temporarily place a yellow "pee" splat on enemy towers area? |
| 10:36.24 | Zolden | will it be ok or too disgusting? |
| 10:37.52 | kingTD | finally a cool looking map http://pasteboard.co/1UYUZxOw.png |
| 10:38.12 | kingTD | and by this we can see proper borders between layers |
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| 10:38.32 | kingTD | and mostly it would be usefull to make cliffs lines between layers |
| 10:43.46 | Zolden | in my terrain generating map cliffs are imitated, but without dynamical pathing change it has no use |
| 10:49.10 | kingTD | even if u would change it to unpathable easily it would really bad gameplay wise |
| 10:49.34 | kingTD | as u would lose the most of the time the sense where cliffs where ramps and shit |
| 10:49.41 | kingTD | and plus it would look bad |
| 10:49.58 | kingTD | unless u would recreate the usage of cliff models and such |
| 10:50.06 | kingTD | blizz cliff models |
| 10:50.32 | Zolden | i used creep with cliff texture, and applied it to cliffst, and it looked well |
| 10:50.54 | Zolden | and raps suck indeed |
| 10:50.57 | Zolden | ramps |
| 10:51.12 | Zolden | i like open maps and castles |
| 10:51.29 | kingTD | well ramps arent so shit |
| 10:51.36 | kingTD | as they are good choke points |
| 10:52.43 | Zolden | well, i can't even discuss it seriously, because I know that bliss didn't fix nor terrain deformers neither pathing, so fuck them |
| 10:54.36 | kingTD | yeah lets render some maps |
| 10:54.50 | Zolden | i wish someone powerful come to blizz hq, gather them all in meeting hall, and then say with a deep strong scary voice: YOU SMERDS FINISH HOTST NOW AND GO FIX SC2 SHIT, and then turn into a shit statue one of the office managers |
| 10:55.22 | Zolden | if they fixed those things, I'd careate an ultimate terrain generating set of scripts |
| 10:57.09 | Zolden | but instead i'll jsut go play mnm |
| 11:13.49 | G0A | okey Zolden, just for you I will make mouse controlled option for random slide |
| 11:14.17 | G0A | what is the most lagless way to do it? |
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| 11:23.14 | Zolden | G0A great |
| 11:23.19 | Zolden | try spamming move orders |
| 11:24.35 | Zolden | the only way to track mouse position without clicks is triggers, and for triggers there's no "most lagless", it's like asking what man has the biggest boobs |
| 11:26.13 | duckies | thus, the only viable solution would be to make sliding WASD controlled, using bountys method :D |
| 11:26.27 | Zolden | wasd requires pressing |
| 11:26.39 | Zolden | bounty's method has no proof |
| 11:26.40 | duckies | you can press and hold, without spamming |
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| 11:27.29 | duckies | yeah, bountys method is bizzare, but didn't someone test it? |
| 11:27.48 | G0A | what is bounties methood? |
| 11:28.19 | duckies | it's metod used by bounty, the guy who made countless 3rd person wasd maps |
| 11:28.41 | Zolden | he stated that preplaced units has lower trigger delay than created by triggers ones |
| 11:29.42 | G0A | I heard that myth |
| 11:31.57 | Zolden | yea, it's like a myth aboult secret cow level in wol or about secret missions in doom2, where u have to kill wolfenstain3d soldiers |
| 11:34.05 | Zolden | G0A also, add missile launching |
| 11:34.30 | Zolden | missiles can push or/and stun opponents |
| 11:34.40 | Zolden | it may make the game funnier |
| 11:35.03 | Zolden | also will be easy to use, since no clicks will be required |
| 11:43.06 | duckies | easily used offenses are meh |
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| 12:11.10 | Zolden | yea, fuck easily used offenses, jsut let them lay fucking bombs with half screen range |
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| 12:32.27 | grim002 | back to the coding grind. |
| 13:05.06 | kingTD | Zolden why still no moving towers abil/ |
| 13:06.08 | Zolden | kingTD i'm doing rewards system |
| 13:06.16 | kingTD | :( |
| 13:06.19 | Zolden | it's cool |
| 13:06.26 | kingTD | for this broken game |
| 13:06.31 | kingTD | great priority! |
| 13:06.34 | Zolden | but moving towers and other shit is in the list |
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| 13:09.12 | duckies | moving towers? aren't your towers already moving? :o |
| 13:09.29 | duckies | oh |
| 13:09.34 | duckies | repositioning towers? |
| 13:09.39 | duckies | >.> |
| 13:09.39 | Zolden | yrs |
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| 14:33.08 | kingTD | how does Break loop works? does it interacts with other like Picking units and stuff? Does it stops the nearest loop? (having multiple loops, picking units numbers in the other loops) |
| 14:36.36 | G0A | nearest loop and I think it does break picking units too |
| 14:57.09 | Zolden | how does it look in code? "continue()"? |
| 14:57.27 | Zolden | or break()? |
| 15:02.23 | Kueken | shift+f11 shows you the code |
| 15:02.56 | G0A | yeah:) |
| 15:02.58 | Zolden | shifting sands suck you underground |
| 15:03.09 | Kueken | should be break; |
| 15:03.14 | Kueken | without parenthesis |
| 15:04.04 | G0A | just do x/0 :) |
| 15:04.13 | Ahli | it acts like break;... there is continue, too... |
| 15:04.22 | G0A | though thats "skip remaining actions" |
| 15:04.38 | Kueken | no, that would be "return;" |
| 15:06.12 | Kueken | dividing by zero behaves differently btw, I don't recall the exact differences, but Beier tried to explain to me once why he was using 1/0 instead of break or return for his G++ error messages |
| 15:07.51 | G0A | Zolden cant you just disable spawning units at the first wave? |
| 15:08.45 | kingTD | ffs this beard :/ |
| 15:09.10 | G0A | Kueken because dividing with zero is cool:) |
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| 15:28.42 | G0A | ehh rocks not randomly appear? |
| 15:40.02 | Zolden | G0A u mean sending? why not? |
| 15:40.07 | Zolden | rocks appear randomly |
| 15:40.13 | Zolden | one rock per wave |
| 15:40.15 | Zolden | jsut checking |
| 15:41.39 | G0A | yeah sending |
| 15:42.22 | G0A | it seems like bit more than 1 rock per wave |
| 15:42.24 | G0A | hmm |
| 15:42.35 | G0A | well its wave 25 already then no |
| 15:42.40 | G0A | I had like 5 rocks |
| 15:43.33 | Zolden | G0A more then 1 rock per wave appear? |
| 15:43.49 | G0A | nope |
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| 15:44.47 | Zolden | good |
| 15:44.55 | Zolden | otherwise it would be counterlogical |
| 15:45.13 | Zolden | one counterlogical thing may ruin our universe |
| 15:51.52 | G0A | great I just lost in 4v1 |
| 15:52.02 | G0A | enemy was alone with snow queens |
| 15:52.05 | Zolden | as 1? |
| 15:52.11 | Zolden | oh |
| 15:52.20 | Zolden | noob allies can ruin shit |
| 15:52.50 | G0A | they just leaked 2 collossus |
| 15:52.56 | G0A | I killed one of it |
| 15:53.24 | G0A | you should adjust main defense according to players... |
| 15:57.40 | kingTD | fucking weeks ago! |
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| 16:18.26 | Zolden | giving suckers more chances is inappropriable |
| 16:18.36 | Zolden | no socialism in maps |
| 16:19.15 | Zolden | only savage grin of capitalism |
| 16:19.23 | Zolden | natural selection |
| 16:19.36 | G0A | Zolden do you want me to change my review to be more informative or just keep terminator?:) |
| 16:20.01 | G0A | 4v1 aint natural selection |
| 16:20.36 | Zolden | when it's 4v1, the team of 4 has advantage |
| 16:20.43 | Zolden | right? |
| 16:20.49 | Zolden | i don't make the 1 stronger |
| 16:20.56 | Zolden | and terminator is jsut fine |
| 16:21.52 | G0A | 1 is stronger by his defense... |
| 16:22.04 | G0A | end defemse0 |
| 16:22.38 | G0A | Anyway, I will just play Entropy TD :) |
| 16:23.20 | G0A | one tower has similar attack compared to snow queen, though units dont slide cause that would be imba |
| 16:23.24 | Zolden | leavers' base defences get removed |
| 16:23.31 | Zolden | so, the 1 is weaker than 4 |
| 16:23.38 | G0A | thats true |
| 16:23.45 | G0A | still |
| 16:23.55 | G0A | its your fault that I lost in 4v1 :D |
| 16:24.04 | Zolden | i understand |
| 16:24.41 | kingTD | Zolden u dont understand that 4 players 2000hp =! 1 players 2000hp defence |
| 16:24.45 | Zolden | actually, number of players in teams doesn't affect the feeling of despair when you lose |
| 16:25.26 | Zolden | kingTD you want me to make the 1 weaker? it doesn't sound reasonable |
| 16:25.28 | kingTD | queens still imba with their spalsh sliding... wtf are u doing idk |
| 16:25.41 | Zolden | kingTD they survived until wave 30, so they are not noobs, they could do something |
| 16:26.01 | Zolden | when all players upgrade their defences, nothing can destroy the base |
| 16:26.12 | Zolden | and I have nerfed snow queen today |
| 16:26.20 | Zolden | and buffed multiple weaker towers |
| 16:26.58 | G0A | 1 Collossus with raped our based defense with only loosing 3k life |
| 16:28.09 | Zolden | ok, i'll reduce bosses' ddamage against buildings by 20% |
| 16:28.16 | G0A | time to make alternative controls for random slide.D |
| 16:28.30 | Zolden | it will be equialent of increasing base hp by 20% |
| 16:28.45 | Zolden | time to play a game of mnm |
| 16:29.14 | Zolden | while playing Oxigene |
| 16:29.27 | Zolden | Oxygene |
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| 16:30.12 | Zolden | throws some broad to duckies |
| 16:30.26 | G0A | Zolden hope you play this version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs6sv6d2se0 |
| 16:31.26 | duckies | googles "broad", google result -> broad = "a woman". |
| 16:31.27 | G0A | ups, actually this is the one I wanted to link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JwAQQqYHwU |
| 16:31.30 | duckies | doesn't mind |
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| 16:32.55 | EmperorZolden | astral projection remix? |
| 16:32.58 | EmperorZolden | interesting |
| 16:35.08 | G0A | its remix of remix:) |
| 16:36.13 | EmperorZolden | G0A actually it's aweful, because first part of melody implies tonic change for its second part, and when it doesn't happen, I feel bad, like when you're trying to walk through a door, and collide with a glass |
| 16:38.04 | Zolden | yesterday I found this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VFDHL7awyg |
| 16:38.06 | G0A | hmm original remix do sounds better |
| 16:38.16 | Zolden | creator of pikachu on acid made it |
| 16:38.46 | Zolden | G0A well, at least they started chaging the tonic correctly at the song's end |
| 16:39.15 | G0A | Ahh found it |
| 16:39.18 | Zolden | like it's hot and stuffy, adn someone finally opens the window and fresh air comes |
| 16:39.34 | G0A | here is the original remix by AP, while they had their old name: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it3i-u04FuU |
| 16:41.02 | Zolden | ok, this one does change the tonic |
| 16:41.02 | Zolden | astral projection is also jew band? |
| 16:41.18 | Zolden | jews seem to make good trance |
| 16:41.23 | G0A | like half of the goa trance scene |
| 16:41.53 | Zolden | i don't get it, why some music styles are so concentrated in certain countries |
| 16:41.58 | Zolden | like progressive rock in britain |
| 16:42.13 | G0A | actually Arabs make good music too at trance too |
| 16:42.16 | Zolden | is it cultural affection and the environment |
| 16:42.37 | Zolden | or genetical predisposition |
| 16:42.44 | kingTD | brits make some sad ass dnb too :]] |
| 16:42.50 | G0A | more cultural thing |
| 16:43.11 | G0A | brits just dont have musical taste |
| 16:43.21 | G0A | like most of the Americans |
| 16:44.27 | Zolden | kingTD watch the latest American Dad episode |
| 16:44.46 | G0A | is it good? |
| 16:44.46 | Zolden | there are nice boob jokes |
| 16:44.53 | Zolden | yea, it's fun |
| 16:44.59 | kingTD | g0a they have taste in sadness |
| 16:46.11 | Zolden | brts do have taste in sadness |
| 16:46.33 | G0A | wonder when will the alien die in American Dad like in the Family guy the dog:) |
| 16:51.47 | Zolden | it happened in Americn Dad: the stoner guy Jeff was abducted by aliens |
| 16:53.03 | Zolden | Also, they took care in advance and made the alien multipersonalistic |
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| 16:53.47 | EmperorZolden | wtf, bitch |
| 16:54.25 | EmperorZolden | <Zolden> it happened in Americn Dad: the stoner guy Jeff was abducted by aliens |
| 16:54.26 | EmperorZolden | <Zolden> Also, they took care in advance and made the alien multipersonalistic |
| 16:54.36 | EmperorZolden | (in case these weren't delivered) |
| 16:55.22 | G0A | they were |
| 16:55.36 | kingTD | zolden was dilivered |
| 16:55.39 | kingTD | jghskd |
| 16:56.03 | EmperorZolden | edghfg |
| 16:57.07 | kingTD | lose what G0A? :D |
| 16:57.13 | kingTD | testing my generation stuff |
| 16:58.49 | kingTD | so never leaving the game :P |
| 16:58.58 | kingTD | always starting new tests |
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| 17:02.49 | mille25 | hey |
| 17:02.55 | kingTD | heyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 17:03.56 | mille25 | anyone here knows a way to detect if 2 points are directly connected to each other, without anything with pathing or a cliff blocking inbetween? i have a trigger function which checks if all points between those 2 points are pathable, it works but its quite slow. |
| 17:04.00 | kingTD | well something for rivers made... shit but something http://pasteboard.co/1Vodyqqr.png |
| 17:04.13 | mille25 | i experimented with "pathing cost between points", but it produces weird results for me |
| 17:04.21 | mille25 | JademusSreg, maybe? :D |
| 17:09.45 | G0A | patching cost should work right |
| 17:10.06 | G0A | and thats the way to check for it |
| 17:11.01 | G0A | though dont try to make patching cost between points where a point is occupied by something (like a footprint) |
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| 17:19.14 | Kueken | afaik pathing costs had some problems |
| 17:19.46 | Kueken | I remember a specific tower defense that had to add an additional restriction because of it. |
| 17:20.35 | Kueken | essentially if only a 1x1 space between 2 towers was available, units could passs through, but the pathing cost returned that the path is blocked |
| 17:20.59 | Kueken | so the map restricted you to leave at least 2 spaces between towers |
| 17:21.21 | Kueken | mille25: Could that be related to your issue |
| 17:21.22 | Kueken | ? |
| 17:21.53 | mille25 | it was even weirder for me |
| 17:22.02 | mille25 | lets say i have 2 points, A and B |
| 17:22.05 | mille25 | the distance is about 15 |
| 17:22.14 | mille25 | with nothing inbetween, pathing cost returned 15, which makes sense. |
| 17:22.34 | mille25 | with B on a cliff without ramp, it returned the maximum value of an ushort |
| 17:22.37 | mille25 | which also makes sense |
| 17:22.45 | mille25 | (65500 smth) |
| 17:22.54 | Kueken | 65535, yeah |
| 17:22.58 | mille25 | however, with a single rock between them, it returned 13 |
| 17:23.01 | mille25 | so it actually got smaller |
| 17:23.11 | mille25 | which doesnt seem to make any sense to me |
| 17:23.17 | mille25 | with more rocks, it got to 17 |
| 17:23.22 | Kueken | :D |
| 17:23.50 | Kueken | apparently, rocks shrink space around them |
| 17:23.50 | mille25 | so yeah |
| 17:23.54 | mille25 | no idea what to think of that. |
| 17:34.33 | G0A | Kueken there are no such problems you mentioned, it works perfectly for me |
| 17:34.57 | Kueken | my information is 3 years old, it probably got fixed |
| 17:35.44 | G0A | mille25 yeah it gives interesting values sometimes as the default sc2 patching isnt always accurate too. |
| 17:36.03 | mille25 | can data perform such checks? |
| 17:36.09 | mille25 | "line of sight" checks? |
| 17:36.16 | G0A | that +/-5 change shouldnt be big problem |
| 17:36.43 | G0A | what? |
| 17:36.44 | mille25 | well, with those weird results i saw earlier id probably have to test for hours just to make sure it can be used or not =/ |
| 17:36.55 | EmperorZolden | kingTD how do rivers work? |
| 17:37.07 | kingTD | Zolden what u mean? |
| 17:37.09 | mille25 | im just wondering if there are data validators for stuff like that, just out of curiousity |
| 17:37.13 | Zolden | your rivers generation |
| 17:37.50 | Zolden | mille25 i remember something about path related validators |
| 17:38.20 | Zolden | vaguely |
| 17:38.52 | Zolden | maybe Location Pathable one? |
| 17:39.14 | Zolden | not sure if it checks path type or path between caster and target point |
| 17:39.34 | mille25 | its not about if a specific location is pathable, it basically is supposed to perform a line of sight check between two points, which means that there should be nothing blocking pathing inbetween two points. |
| 17:40.01 | kingTD | Currently (still some other ways will be added) when generating hill tops, placing a river top marker. The river function searchs for End borders with lowest ground level (useless shit currently). Then it searches for starting markers for river to emerge. Picks markers at the same hill level random marker to start off. Then searchers next marker on lower hill level. |
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| 17:40.20 | Zolden | mille25 and why don't you want to use the path between 2 points function again? |
| 17:40.32 | mille25 | because its giving me weird results. |
| 17:40.44 | kingTD | now will be adding searching for markers taht already are in range to merged with other river markers. |
| 17:41.09 | kingTD | after that script doen. the will be making the exist of water points to borders of the map |
| 17:41.24 | Zolden | mille25 is path exists and path cost - same function? |
| 17:41.41 | mille25 | path exists just checks if points are connected via ground pathing |
| 17:41.55 | Zolden | mille25 and is it not waht you need? |
| 17:42.02 | kingTD | by searching of exist way of the hill levels that are higher level to reach it if the river reaches enclosed lower level |
| 17:42.03 | mille25 | path cost is supposed to return the path length, as far as i understand, which it doesnt seem to do. |
| 17:42.09 | Zolden | of you need the lenght of the path? |
| 17:42.39 | Zolden | and why path length doesn't work? |
| 17:42.40 | mille25 | i need a fast line of sight check between two points. |
| 17:43.03 | Zolden | G0A how do you get path points in random td? |
| 17:43.16 | mille25 | (in this case, line of sight is defined as: no non pathable areas on the line connecting both points :D ) |
| 17:45.28 | Zolden | kingTD do you like the result of your algorithm? |
| 17:46.21 | kingTD | well its decent enough for now, know what i needs now so im quite possitive about future. What u think? |
| 17:47.16 | Zolden | I think too idealistic for current state of the editor |
| 17:47.29 | Zolden | I'd imitate natural landscape evolution |
| 17:47.36 | Zolden | to make perfectly looking shit |
| 17:47.52 | Zolden | kingTD is your map still has constant height? |
| 17:48.15 | Zolden | because rivers would not be possible if there were hills |
| 17:48.27 | G0A | Zolden with pathing cost |
| 17:48.50 | Zolden | because water is horizontal |
| 17:49.25 | kingTD | yes constant one. adding hill levels is not really my interest to achieve it now. |
| 17:49.31 | Zolden | mille25 if it work for G0A, whuld work for you. Has that rock had a footptint? If yes, what kind of footprint? |
| 17:50.09 | G0A | well Zolden ti do has accuracy problem so it might no work for line of sight. |
| 17:50.14 | mille25 | well i guess ill just have to perform a shitload of tests then |
| 17:50.18 | mille25 | i still dont understand its behavior. |
| 17:50.20 | kingTD | even if adding those real elevations for random will be quite a headache to look good. |
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| 17:51.48 | Zolden | mille25 just place two units and once a 1/10 second update path cost between them to see it, and then play with those units, move then here and there, you'll notice how it work and waht affects it |
| 17:53.27 | Zolden | kingTD nature rules are simple actually. If you have an array of map grid heights, you can make them interact with each other, with river array, to evolve in time |
| 17:54.11 | Zolden | kingTD crap, when I think about it, I want to implement it |
| 17:54.41 | Zolden | but i have no map to use it in nor working terrain deformers to use for |
| 17:55.58 | kingTD | well we making not a first person game that would be looking better... |
| 17:57.36 | kingTD | basicly if u would achieving something like before u made with those modifiers it really would be shit gameplay and understanding of the map wise |
| 18:00.21 | Zolden | i have an example map, and visually it's the same as normal cliffs and ramps |
| 18:00.30 | Zolden | just all generated |
| 18:00.53 | Zolden | I was going to create a melee map with random terrain |
| 18:04.28 | kingTD | its possible to use those terrain modifiers, then there will be needed to make those cliff models to hide those elevations |
| 18:05.02 | Zolden | my cliffs look perfec |
| 18:05.06 | Zolden | let me show you |
| 18:05.13 | Zolden | you seem to not believe |
| 18:16.44 | G0A | hmm |
| 18:18.00 | G0A | is it faster to use dummy abilities on command card then use triggers to check if they are used to register key input than just using simply triggers? |
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| 18:25.44 | Zolden | G0A not a big difference online |
| 18:26.10 | Zolden | kingTD http://i.snag.gy/nbxYD.jpg |
| 18:26.11 | Zolden | http://i.snag.gy/USKyX.jpg |
| 18:26.20 | Zolden | http://i.snag.gy/lm3gS.jpg |
| 18:26.25 | Zolden | http://i.snag.gy/wF8Xs.jpg |
| 18:27.27 | Zolden | G0A I've tried lots in arcanoid, and didn't find the best solution |
| 18:28.02 | Zolden | G0A just make a trigger that would issue move commad to mouse cursor, also wasd, also whatever you can imageine |
| 18:28.11 | Zolden | let all present and ppl will usse the one they like |
| 18:31.27 | G0A | ahh I will do it next day |
| 18:31.30 | G0A | I am too tired |
| 18:31.44 | Kueken | Zolden: Next time, I expect those marines to show a Hitler moustache in their profile models |
| 18:33.24 | Zolden | Kueken shhh! they are hitler in disguise yet |
| 18:33.29 | Zolden | they must hide stache |
| 18:33.41 | Kueken | then its fake |
| 18:33.56 | Kueken | Hitler's moustache is impervious to shaving and hiding |
| 18:34.33 | Kueken | its the supreme moustache, the moustache to rule all moustaches |
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| 20:01.23 | kingTD | 123 |
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| 20:17.53 | Zolden | kingTD so, how my artificial cliiffs look? |
| 20:18.18 | kingTD | generic |
| 20:18.48 | kingTD | but at least good contrast where playable and not areas |
| 20:18.52 | kingTD | would be |
| 20:19.16 | kingTD | plus the all landscape is too much randomly having bumps |
| 20:20.53 | Zolden | it's just a first attempt, the post-processing of the terrain can be any, any kind of self-organisation or forced modifications |
| 20:21.32 | Zolden | i just stopped working on it becaus foun all those bugs that make it not applicable to real games |
| 20:22.17 | Zolden | iff bli fix those, i'll rapidle become the king of terrain generation |
| 20:23.06 | Zolden | one of bli guys made me think that those changes are in the to do list |
| 20:24.10 | kingTD | yeah u will get them on Protoss expansion |
| 20:24.40 | Zolden | or on 2.2 |
| 20:24.58 | Zolden | 2.2 seems to bring lots of editor changes |
| 20:25.08 | Zolden | even server banks |
| 20:25.30 | kingTD | or even 2.3! |
| 20:27.28 | Zolden | sounds like packages inside packages |
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| 20:36.17 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 20:36.37 | ArcanePariah | spies a quacker |
| 20:36.44 | ArcanePariah | sup duckies |
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| 20:45.16 | G0A | I have a feeling that 2.2 will be the protoss expansion:D |
| 20:45.28 | G0A | (as they will never finish 2.2) |
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| 20:46.03 | ArcanePariah | Nah, 2.2 will probably hit around march |
| 20:46.15 | ArcanePariah | 2.1 by end of the year |
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| 20:47.22 | G0A | yeah, that what they say |
| 20:47.41 | G0A | so now multiply it by 9000 |
| 20:53.56 | G0A | kingTD M&M |
| 20:54.01 | G0A | Ducky is coming too |
| 20:55.03 | Zolden | i will come too in 5 min |
| 20:55.12 | Zolden | after a little patch |
| 20:55.19 | G0A | k |
| 20:55.50 | duckies | nice, todays heartstone record is 2 wins 9 loses |
| 20:55.52 | duckies | awesome! |
| 20:55.59 | duckies | that game can go to hell |
| 20:56.23 | ArcanePariah | lol, then I should start playing and let you beat me |
| 20:56.48 | duckies | not enough random in heartstone, I can't conjure my duck powers >.> better play Mines&Magic instead :D |
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| 21:16.40 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... what to do a tutorial on next... |
| 21:17.00 | ArcanePariah | I think Curve Actors are up next, that or List Actors (though Lists are simple...) |
| 21:39.24 | DeadZergling | well simple isn't necessarily bad, could make for a very easy tutorial making |
| 21:58.19 | G0A | "kingTD has disconnected (Read error: Connection reset by peer)" yeah rage quit:DDD |
| 21:59.22 | Zolden | it's not loading |
| 21:59.25 | duckies | well, this is nice >.> |
| 21:59.31 | duckies | yeah, someone has dropped |
| 21:59.38 | duckies | or we all dropped :D |
| 21:59.53 | G0A | yeah not loading |
| 22:00.06 | duckies | there we go |
| 22:00.07 | G0A | finally |
| 22:02.06 | G0A | wtf |
| 22:02.16 | G0A | it broke up the party |
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| 22:40.59 | DeadZergling | lol seriously duckies, 2 and 9 is a terrible record |
| 22:50.32 | duckies | zolden, I do have to maps sometime :D, so I must take my leave as well |
| 22:50.33 | duckies | ng |
| 22:51.03 | Zolden | nig |
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| 22:53.59 | DeadZergling | aye, I been ignoring M & Ms to try to get my project further forward myself Zolden |
| 22:54.39 | DeadZergling | next time I play I'll probably discovered upgraded berserkers only have 20 hp anyways |
| 22:56.44 | Zolden | mech now is almost fine |
| 22:56.46 | Zolden | still a bit op |
| 22:56.54 | Zolden | but maybe fine |
| 22:57.35 | Zolden | but if you wnat 1 tank win the game, I can make you a special version |
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| 23:11.43 | VlaamscheFrytse | A1win, niin, onko 'rakastatko mua vieläkään' vai 'vieläkin'? |
| 23:11.43 | A1win | different meaning |
| 23:11.43 | A1win | first is "anymore" and second one is "still" |
| 23:11.43 | VlaamscheFrytse | You can't say 'do you love me any more' |
| 23:11.43 | A1win | sure you can |
| 23:11.43 | A1win | err |
| 23:11.43 | A1win | hmm |
| 23:11.43 | VlaamscheFrytse | 'any more' in English is just the negative form of 'still', 'I still love you', 'I don't love you any more |
| 23:11.45 | VlaamscheFrytse | You can't say 'I don't still love you' |
| 23:11.45 | A1win | yeah the first one was wrong, not quite sure how to translate |
| 23:11.50 | VlaamscheFrytse | So you should say 'rakastatko mua vieläkin'? |
| 23:12.04 | VlaamscheFrytse | How about 'Rakastitko mua milloinkaan?' |
| 23:12.40 | A1win | "rakastatko mua vieläkään" means "do you still not love me" |
| 23:12.51 | A1win | "rakastatko mua vieläkin" is "do you still love me" |
| 23:13.22 | A1win | last one is fine, "did you ever love me" |
| 23:13.57 | VlaamscheFrytse | Hmm, is 'vieläkö sä et rakasta mua' not better? |
| 23:14.22 | A1win | nah that's bad |
| 23:14.33 | VlaamscheFrytse | Hmm |
| 23:14.39 | A1win | "etkö vieläkään rakasta minua" works too |
| 23:15.15 | VlaamscheFrytse | Doesn't that mean 'don't you still love me'? |
| 23:15.52 | A1win | hmm well yeah, about the same thing |
| 23:16.03 | VlaamscheFrytse | This is something I never get like 'do you still not love me' and 'don't you still love me' are two different things, it depends on what part of the sentence you negate which you can do in English, but in Finnish you can negate an entire sentence or not, you can't negate parts of it. |
| 23:16.20 | VlaamscheFrytse | You can't say as well 'I didn't go no where', which technically means 'I stayed put' in English |
| 23:16.36 | VlaamscheFrytse | Ehh, it means 'I went some-where', the oposite |
| 23:17.22 | A1win | you can say "en ollut menemättä minnekään" |
| 23:17.30 | A1win | which means "I didn't go nowhere" |
| 23:18.06 | VlaamscheFrytse | I guess menemÄttä is a way to solve it |
| 23:18.12 | VlaamscheFrytse | A1win, how about " vieläkö et ole saanut päätöstä?" |
| 23:18.26 | A1win | "etkö ole vieläkään saanut päätöstä" |
| 23:18.42 | A1win | or "etkö vieläkään ole saanut päätöstä" |
| 23:18.49 | VlaamscheFrytse | Well, I got that one from the internet from a finnish site. |
| 23:18.57 | A1win | or even "vieläkäänkö et ole saanut päätöstä" |
| 23:19.08 | VlaamscheFrytse | If you google "vieläkö et" you get a lot of hits |
| 23:19.48 | A1win | word order is very flexible |
| 23:21.31 | A1win | I don't think that sounds very fluent in this case |
| 23:24.37 | VlaamscheFrytse | Hmm |
| 23:24.55 | VlaamscheFrytse | And 'rakastatko mua vieläkään' is? |
| 23:25.11 | VlaamscheFrytse | -kään without an et in it sounds weird to me |
| 23:25.18 | VlaamscheFrytse | Like saying 'Do you love me any more?' |
| 23:25.39 | A1win | there is no exact translation I think, something like "do you still not love me" is closest |
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