| 00:00.17 | Ahli | then it had a storyline in the events which could change the game like you become a vampire race, but you were fighting against the pope's crusaders, if detected... normal players might pay the pope for his crusade or he comes to visit with his army |
| 00:01.02 | Ahli | I would just need to find a way to make the combat more interactive, but still without single unit control |
| 00:02.06 | Ahli | and maybe a better economy system than what I had before (houses had 3 levels and 3 modes where they generated either income, melee soldiers or ranged soldiers) |
| 00:02.31 | Ahli | you could spend gold to train your army which was realized by medivs healing units :D |
| 00:03.10 | Ahli | well, let me try to make a prototype and experiment a bit... |
| 00:04.19 | Ahli | imagine twodie's age of knights with a rectangle area for your city + indirect combat + random events |
| 00:06.33 | Ahli | thoughts? fail or worth a try? |
| 00:31.38 | ArcanePariah | Whee, finished my tutorial mostly (test map works :D) |
| 00:32.22 | ArcanePariah | Now to upload all the images, and integrate the whole mess into a forum post (or 2) |
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| 01:58.09 | Deathbringer | How do I set a players bounds by using selected units? |
| 01:58.10 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.11 | A1win | can't do it like that |
| 01:59.32 | A1win | you need to get the min and max x and y of the unit positions |
| 02:00.31 | A1win | so you need to iterate through all the units in the group (using the "pick each unit" or "for each unit" function, for example), and use some algorithm that finds minimum/maximum of the x and y coordinates of the units' positions |
| 02:00.57 | Ahli | it's not clear what you want |
| 02:01.10 | Deathbringer | I dont need help with the selected unit process |
| 02:01.42 | Deathbringer | I just need to set a specific plays camera bounds |
| 02:01.48 | Deathbringer | players* |
| 02:01.50 | A1win | to what exactly? |
| 02:05.10 | Deathbringer | By using the players unit |
| 02:05.50 | Deathbringer | I just need to set a specific players camera bounds by using the players unit. |
| 02:05.55 | Deathbringer | How do I do that? |
| 02:05.59 | A1win | by using the unit how? |
| 02:06.06 | Deathbringer | Yess |
| 02:06.12 | Deathbringer | Cause the player owns the unit |
| 02:06.25 | A1win | "yes" is not an answer to a a "how" question |
| 02:06.45 | A1win | how do you want to use the unit to set the bounds? |
| 02:07.02 | A1win | -a |
| 02:07.07 | Deathbringer | Because the unit is owned by the player |
| 02:07.18 | A1win | that's an answer to a "why?" question |
| 02:07.19 | Deathbringer | I just want it to use the owner of the playe |
| 02:07.22 | Deathbringer | owner of the unit* |
| 02:07.23 | A1win | I'm asking *how* |
| 02:07.38 | Deathbringer | I dont know how, thats why I'm asking you. |
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| 02:07.45 | A1win | O.o |
| 02:08.00 | A1win | I'm not asking about the implementation, but what you want to do with it |
| 02:08.04 | Deathbringer | Kueken |
| 02:08.10 | Deathbringer | ArcanePariah |
| 02:08.15 | Deathbringer | JademusSreg |
| 02:08.27 | A1win | "A1win doesn't know how to read my mind, plz help" |
| 02:09.14 | Deathbringer | I just want to set the bounds for the owner of the player |
| 02:09.15 | A1win | you must first explain what you want to do before we can assist you |
| 02:09.28 | Deathbringer | player - unit** |
| 02:09.44 | A1win | set camera bounds for (Convert Player To Player Group(Owner of (Triggering unit))) |
| 02:10.05 | Deathbringer | Wasn't that simple... -_- |
| 02:10.37 | A1win | took you a while to ask the right question |
| 02:11.26 | A1win | you asked "how do I set up camera bounds using a player's unit" instead of "how do I set camera bounds for the owner of a specific unit" (or more sophisticatedly: how do I convert a player to a player group) |
| 02:12.10 | A1win | the first question had no information about how you want to use the player's unit to set the camera bounds |
| 02:13.05 | A1win | isn't communication fun? |
| 02:13.07 | Deathbringer | They only have Triggering Player. |
| 02:13.16 | Deathbringer | Not Unit |
| 02:13.43 | A1win | that's because you are browsing Integer type functions |
| 02:13.50 | A1win | there's a function called "Owner Of Unit" |
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| 02:14.17 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.19 | Deathbringer | Right? |
| 02:14.51 | A1win | yep, as long as triggering unit is set by the event that initiates the trigger |
| 02:15.22 | A1win | why do I even bother |
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| 02:16.13 | A1win | feels like he's more angry about getting help slower than he's expecting than not getting any help at all |
| 02:19.49 | Ahli | http://starcraft2.ingame.de/forum/images/smilies/deliver.gif |
| 02:22.35 | DeadZergling | is probably just frustrated |
| 02:22.49 | A1win | mmm |
| 02:24.03 | DeadZergling | just use the word is more while you explain |
| 02:24.09 | DeadZergling | it makes everything clearer :) |
| 02:24.27 | A1win | the word? |
| 02:24.48 | DeadZergling | heh, yea, duckies used it with a verb last night, really badly |
| 02:25.15 | DeadZergling | so we have decided adding more is into every sentence makes it better |
| 02:25.35 | A1win | oh, maybe you should use more hyphen when explaining to make things clearer :P |
| 02:25.45 | A1win | i.e., "the word 'is'" |
| 02:26.09 | DeadZergling | anyways, how goes the name? |
| 02:26.23 | A1win | welll I still kinda like Blasters, but haven't thought about it much |
| 02:26.38 | A1win | just watched walking dead season 2-4, took a break ;p |
| 02:26.42 | A1win | *seasons |
| 02:26.48 | DeadZergling | could make it really simple, Ship Blasters |
| 02:26.57 | A1win | that sounds like a pirate game |
| 02:27.22 | DeadZergling | since when do pirates have blasters |
| 02:27.33 | A1win | well, a ship game, anyway :P |
| 02:27.40 | A1win | since you know, it has "ship" in its name |
| 02:27.51 | A1win | (with no reference to space) |
| 02:28.47 | A1win | also, annoying to pronounce that word combination ;p |
| 02:29.08 | A1win | with Ship ending in p and Blasters beginning with b |
| 02:35.05 | DeadZergling | must be a finnish thing |
| 02:36.44 | A1win | probably |
| 02:37.18 | A1win | actually I'm not even quite sure how it's supposed to be pronounced ;p |
| 02:37.23 | A1win | do you just omit the p? |
| 02:38.08 | DeadZergling | lol, no |
| 02:38.14 | DeadZergling | Ship Blasters just isn't hard at all for me to say |
| 02:38.25 | A1win | is there a pause between the words? |
| 02:38.43 | DeadZergling | it certainly sounds better if you pause between them, yes |
| 02:39.04 | A1win | you need to open your lips to pronounce the "p" and then close them again to pronounce the b |
| 02:39.19 | A1win | kinda breaks the rhythm from the phrase :P |
| 02:41.34 | A1win | always fun to come up with a game design where it isn't clear what genre it is |
| 02:41.55 | DeadZergling | I been trying to think of what ability to replace blind with |
| 02:42.01 | DeadZergling | as I have concluded it is worthless as can be |
| 02:42.49 | A1win | (not referring to this map) |
| 02:43.33 | DeadZergling | aye, just saying what I'm up to |
| 02:44.01 | A1win | I meant I wasn't referring to my map :P speaking in general |
| 03:13.20 | Jademus | What did Blind do? |
| 03:19.32 | Kueken | I heard it impedes your eyesight |
| 03:20.25 | DeadZergling | just set max vision to be .5 for 20-30 seconds |
| 03:20.38 | DeadZergling | cool sounding, but in practice completely worthless |
| 03:21.04 | DeadZergling | be a lot stronger in PVP I'm sure, but the game is primarily PVE |
| 03:21.38 | Jademus | Have it reduce Range as well. |
| 03:22.51 | ArcanePariah | ^ |
| 03:23.17 | DeadZergling | range? |
| 03:23.48 | ArcanePariah | To more full simulate the blind, make the weapon scan range 0 |
| 03:24.01 | ArcanePariah | so it will not auto acquire anything |
| 03:24.09 | DeadZergling | well the problem is, most the time, the enemy is already in pursuit before you can use it |
| 03:24.31 | DeadZergling | it doesn't effect them at all then |
| 03:31.15 | DeadZergling | anyways, time to go, I'll keep thinking about it, pretty sure blind is getting canned however |
| 03:31.26 | DeadZergling | at least for players, NPCs will retain the ability |
| 03:32.28 | DeadZergling | In the meantime.... A special post from Stewox: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/off-topic/58961-leaked-video-fema-prepares-for-gun-confiscation-martial/?page=2#p21 |
| 03:34.09 | Kueken | special posts by special people |
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| 04:17.35 | ArcanePariah | Oy Jademus, how does one attach a map to a post? |
| 04:17.47 | ArcanePariah | map file* |
| 04:18.11 | ArcanePariah | Nvm, just found it :D |
| 04:21.48 | ArcanePariah | Ok finished the tutorial and posted it, I'm up for feedback |
| 04:30.33 | Jademus | =D |
| 04:30.38 | Jademus | Link? |
| 04:31.00 | ArcanePariah | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/60079-actors-actor-regions-queries-and-query-response-actors/#p1 |
| 04:31.18 | ArcanePariah | I like my growing trees :D |
| 04:32.21 | ArcanePariah | I was mostly surprised to find the other 2 region actors possible |
| 04:32.30 | ArcanePariah | Polygon and Combine |
| 04:33.13 | Jademus | Oh, and that conspiracy topic has "mysteriously" vanished. |
| 04:33.24 | ArcanePariah | lol |
| 04:34.17 | Jademus | "Normally one uses Effects and Behaviors" I'd clarify that as Effect and Behavior actor events. |
| 04:35.08 | ArcanePariah | Fixed |
| 04:37.15 | Jademus | "There is a few ways" are |
| 04:37.37 | ArcanePariah | Now that I think of it, this kind of setup (assuming Camara Actors work the way I think they do) to automatically make a camra switch perspective when entering a cave or some such |
| 04:38.45 | ArcanePariah | Fixed that section, I'll add the wiki links later |
| 04:39.26 | Jademus | "For the Send, we want to send a Set Scale Message" *message |
| 04:43.01 | Jademus | Looks nice. Be prepared for confused questions. =D |
| 04:43.25 | ArcanePariah | Hehe... well let us start with you, did the tutorial make sense to you? |
| 04:51.04 | Jademus | Yes, though it had a informal verbosity to it that conflicts with my personal preferences, which should at least make it easier for not-me people to read. |
| 04:51.39 | ArcanePariah | Mmhmm, I assume some basic knowledge of Actors, but not much |
| 04:51.55 | ArcanePariah | Did the attached map work for you? |
| 04:52.20 | Jademus | Haven't tested it, but is there any conceivable reason why it wouldn't work? |
| 04:53.54 | Kueken | its the SC2 editor |
| 04:53.56 | Kueken | duh |
| 04:54.27 | ArcanePariah | No, but I would like feedback in the presentation, if I choose an effective way to demonstrate the concepts |
| 04:54.46 | ArcanePariah | Same goes for you Kueken, since you are more informed then most about Actors |
| 04:55.03 | Kueken | what are we talking about? |
| 04:55.31 | ArcanePariah | See link above, posted a tutorial on Region Actors/Query messages/Query Response actors |
| 04:55.32 | Kueken | ah, see the link |
| 04:56.08 | Kueken | uh, regions and query responses :D |
| 04:56.14 | Kueken | certainly an interesting field |
| 04:56.30 | Lajjla | Kueken, don't you ever sleep? |
| 04:56.45 | ArcanePariah | Sleep is for when I'm dead |
| 04:56.48 | Kueken | my day/night rythm is erratic |
| 04:56.50 | ArcanePariah | Or thereabouts |
| 04:57.03 | Kueken | currently I go to bed at 6 pm and wake up at 2 am |
| 04:58.31 | Kueken | uh, I didn't even know that AoE cursors used region/query actors |
| 04:58.44 | Kueken | makes perfect sense though, now that I think about it |
| 05:01.35 | Kueken | ArcanePariah: For me, the tutorial is perfectly understandable |
| 05:01.55 | Kueken | but I could see it being somewhat confusing for someone not familiar with the subject |
| 05:03.01 | Kueken | not sure, if that could be improved easily, though |
| 05:10.05 | ArcanePariah | Probably not, but I did preface the title with Advanced Topics |
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| 05:12.28 | DeadZergling | Decided on keeping blind, but will instead be blind terror, be a confusion/fear type effect on top of the blind |
| 05:50.16 | Jademus | observes that nearly all scifi television series are about some manner of law enforcement. |
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| 06:04.16 | ArcanePariah | Welp, i'mma call it a night, please check out my tutorial anyone, and leave questions/feedback so i can improve it, I'll be attempting to do more on other Actor subjects (macros, Lists, the basics, fields, etc.) |
| 06:08.43 | Jademus | I'm attempting to determine what, if any, assets would be sufficient for a Massachusetts aesthetic. |
| 06:19.31 | G0A | this must not be fake: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nhm/4218208723.html :) |
| 06:25.27 | DeadZergling | afraid it is fake, unicorns are delivered by stork |
| 06:25.34 | DeadZergling | is no such thing as unicorn eggs |
| 06:28.04 | DeadZergling | Besides, even if they are real, it is clear there is no cutie marks, so the horses would be untalented at anything |
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| 06:45.39 | G0A | DeadZergling no, it must be true! :) |
| 06:57.17 | kingTD | https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/410189903104724992/photo/1/large |
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| 07:03.41 | Jademus | Yeah, RPS often has advertising that subverts their efforts to promote gender equality and such. |
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| 07:51.20 | duckies | was it possible to change lighting for a specific player, or was it just for everyone? |
| 07:51.52 | Jademus | Per player is doable. |
| 07:51.55 | Jademus | Easily. |
| 07:52.08 | duckies | nice, thanks |
| 07:55.30 | Jademus | https://pastee.org/39raj |
| 07:57.49 | Jademus | Each Light data supports 4 TimeOfDay settings, and 4 LightMaps. |
| 07:58.37 | Jademus | So one can do quite a lot per light. =D |
| 08:01.52 | duckies | great, with renees phasing tech and this things like alternative world can be done -> equip an item-> lighting changes and you start to see things differently. Add in detection of stealth units and now you can interact with hidden stuff |
| 08:02.11 | Jademus | =D |
| 08:02.38 | duckies | hm, I don't remember if it was possible to alter units collision with certain objects on the fly |
| 08:02.54 | duckies | walking through walls when other players can't would be amusing |
| 08:03.06 | duckies | wasn't possible 2 years ago =/ |
| 08:03.33 | Jademus | Try a catalog modification? |
| 08:03.33 | G0A | "SelectMainShadowLight" what does that do? |
| 08:03.58 | Jademus | The direction in which objects cast shadows. |
| 08:04.12 | G0A | ahh |
| 08:11.49 | duckies | hm, will probably have to make phantom walls only have a single collision, and when player equips item, he morphs to unit type which doesn't have that collision. same as in bomberman. Though it's troublesome, since it'll cancel current orders. Unfortunately can't check sc2 here for catalog modifications =/ |
| 08:12.34 | Jademus | "can't check" |
| 08:12.46 | Jademus | ? |
| 08:12.58 | duckies | I don't have sc2 at work =D |
| 08:13.19 | Jademus | Ah, well morph is a last resort, and needn't clear order queue. |
| 08:14.23 | duckies | oh, morph can keep curr orders? hold on, changeling keeps his orders after morph -.- .. |
| 08:14.27 | Jademus | Simply remember to test if a catalog modification to the Collide array would suffice. |
| 08:14.49 | duckies | yeah, will make a note for that |
| 08:15.07 | duckies | but if it doesn't work, then morph's the only other solution, right? |
| 08:15.32 | Jademus | Pretty much. |
| 08:18.07 | duckies | hehe, this is fun. thanks. |
| 08:18.19 | Jademus | No problem. |
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| 08:28.25 | duckies | if only it was possible to show/hide terrain cells per player :/ |
| 08:28.29 | duckies | sighs |
| 08:30.47 | Jademus | If you hide all the terrain cells and use an actor with the material that shows the terrain texture, -that- can be selectively displayed/ |
| 08:32.15 | Jademus | brb |
| 08:36.23 | duckies | If it comes to that I'd probably use a bunch of dark squares to hide terrain instead. |
| 08:36.53 | duckies | and then ther's the feature creep ;/ |
| 08:37.24 | duckies | I need to find a way to clone myself! |
| 08:37.59 | duckies | but then I'd need to alter my clones, or else we'd all just procastinate and play zoldens mines&magic D: |
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| 09:01.44 | kingTD | so in order to be executed in GUI it requires all the line? "native void PathingUpdate ();" ? |
| 09:07.07 | kingTD | okay |
| 09:09.13 | Fate_ | where do i modify the name of the game modes? |
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| 09:13.37 | Zolden | kingTD only PathingUpdate () in custom script |
| 09:13.54 | kingTD | y |
| 09:14.13 | Zolden | after you have done PathingModify() for each rock/river |
| 09:18.01 | kingTD | im just testing or it works at all |
| 09:19.29 | kingTD | so what does add does? |
| 09:20.31 | Zolden | true if you add pathing, false if you remove |
| 09:26.43 | kingTD | hmmmm |
| 09:26.46 | kingTD | nothing happening :/ |
| 09:32.00 | kingTD | hmm well checking seems like working |
| 09:33.08 | Fate_ | grr dafug |
| 09:33.28 | Fate_ | why does the game automaticaly rename the game modes when i upload? |
| 09:43.04 | Fate_ | ah finally it worked, after addeing and deleting the modes serveral times |
| 09:58.49 | Fate_ | need one to test the 1v1 mode of my map |
| 09:59.11 | kingTD | ok that pathing modifier doesnt work |
| 10:14.05 | Jademus | Zoop. |
| 10:14.14 | Jademus | Hi thar Zol. |
| 10:16.46 | Zolden | hi |
| 10:17.03 | Zolden | kingTD paste the code |
| 10:17.08 | Jademus | ^ |
| 10:23.59 | Jademus | Zol, any chance you enjoy Lovecraftian cosmic horror enough to wanna make/find/convert models to achieve a small town aesthetic? =D |
| 10:25.13 | kingTD | hmmm |
| 10:25.23 | Jademus | Plus, other crazy shit. |
| 10:25.32 | kingTD | cant find the site with the galaxy script recognizable paste |
| 10:26.13 | Jademus | https://pastee.org/mztup |
| 10:26.36 | kingTD | https://pastee.org/eujar |
| 10:26.50 | kingTD | jade not that :/ |
| 10:27.05 | Jademus | Why evar would you have a Wait there? |
| 10:27.28 | kingTD | i like waitting |
| 10:27.39 | DeadZergling | seems I just can't keep away from movers, or my bottles |
| 10:27.48 | DeadZergling | had to add a second phase to avoid a glitch that would sometimes happen |
| 10:28.19 | Jademus | Deadz, movers are really not as inscrutable as they are portrayed. =D |
| 10:28.29 | Jademus | What is it you want to achieve? |
| 10:28.59 | Zolden | Jademus maybe I'd enjoy it if I knew what is it |
| 10:29.04 | DeadZergling | well, figured it out for this case, was just to not have bottles rarely float into nowhere if you hit a certain spot, lol |
| 10:29.45 | DeadZergling | although for awhile they would reach target, float up strangely, then go to their target |
| 10:30.18 | DeadZergling | they can still do it rarely, but it looks more like a bottle bounce then anything else, so leaving it |
| 10:31.19 | Jademus | Zol, what information may I provide? =D |
| 10:31.48 | Zolden | kingTD so, add is true and region is empty? and units still can walk in that region? |
| 10:31.59 | kingTD | yeah |
| 10:32.05 | kingTD | tried everything |
| 10:32.16 | kingTD | it just dont do shit |
| 10:32.25 | Zolden | Jademus just tell me what models do you want |
| 10:32.44 | DeadZergling | Lovecraft, you mean the shit with Cthulu, Neharoletep or whatever that shape shifting tentacle monster is called? |
| 10:33.59 | Zolden | Jademus and what do you think about twod's situation? have you ever successfully dynamically changed the pathing? |
| 10:34.31 | kingTD | Zolden why u havent added patch note but edited the old one once again? :///// |
| 10:35.12 | Jademus | Don't recall attempting to use them. Twod, include a usage example, so I can see how you're calling the function. |
| 10:35.45 | Zolden | Jademus I have this as a tentacle monster http://i.snag.gy/xr79L.jpg |
| 10:36.08 | Zolden | kingTD to not spam patches, who cares |
| 10:36.22 | Jademus | I enjoy the essence of Lovecraft's work far more than the content of the material. |
| 10:36.45 | kingTD | jade " Pathing Modify((Region((Current camera target of player 1), 3.0)), Unpathable, True) " |
| 10:36.49 | kingTD | or |
| 10:36.59 | kingTD | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.42 | kingTD | Zolden lol u naaaaaaaaaaaaab. now hard to tell which update note is lastes |
| 10:37.43 | Jademus | Hm. And the Pathing Update function you call in your custom function? Didn't look like custom script. |
| 10:37.52 | kingTD | if u add every time new note it will be on top |
| 10:38.18 | kingTD | and easily understandable whats lastets and shit.,,,, wtf u thinking :/ |
| 10:38.28 | kingTD | its only possible to post 5 notes |
| 10:38.32 | DeadZergling | I do have another missile pathing I want to see happen someday if you care to take a look Jade |
| 10:38.41 | Jademus | I'll go ahead an test the pathing modify shit. |
| 10:38.57 | kingTD | u go girl! |
| 10:38.58 | Jademus | Deadz, wat's the design? |
| 10:42.12 | DeadZergling | This is the design jade: http://ctrlv.in/268603 |
| 10:43.20 | Jademus | Zol, some of the shit I'd enjoy would be some houses of brick & wood with sloped, shingled roof. I'm also contemplating how best to employ distortion materials, so I'm rather curious about what kinds of distortions one may achieve. |
| 10:45.56 | Zolden | Jademus i just tested pathing - didn't work |
| 10:49.35 | Zolden | Jademus my wow source doesn't have any good buildings, adn distortion look like glass/heat refraction |
| 10:49.41 | Zolden | depends on the normal map |
| 10:49.59 | Jademus | Hm. |
| 10:50.11 | Jademus | But yeah, I don't mean from WoW, haha. |
| 10:50.26 | Zolden | kingTD I used to add new notes when changes are bigger than just balance changes and little fixes |
| 10:50.30 | Jademus | Still very much wanting to get custom shaders working, damnit. |
| 10:51.02 | Zolden | Jademus where do you think I could get buildings? assets on forums mostly have wow/wc3 buildings |
| 10:51.09 | kingTD | just fucking add the new note for every update! |
| 10:51.30 | kingTD | if it was more than a day u sure have to make new one |
| 10:51.42 | Zolden | ok |
| 10:52.44 | Jademus | Hm, would 3dcadbrowser suffice? |
| 10:53.17 | Jademus | That is a neat creature. =D |
| 10:55.22 | Zolden | is it wow creature? |
| 10:55.45 | Jademus | Your model? |
| 10:56.09 | Zolden | 3dcadbrowser |
| 10:57.15 | Jademus | Now I'm lost in this discussion. |
| 10:58.03 | DeadZergling | stupid shadow on arcademothershipmissile, makes it look so awful |
| 10:58.12 | Zolden | Jademus just check pathing by yourself |
| 10:59.31 | Jademus | Deadz, have you tried using the Overlay field in the driver to ajust the scale to which the overlay applies? |
| 11:00.04 | DeadZergling | I'm almost positive overlay, even if it could be made to do that circle once |
| 11:00.07 | DeadZergling | can't be turned off |
| 11:00.17 | DeadZergling | I only want that loop to occur once, almost hitting the caster |
| 11:01.02 | Jademus | Yeah. |
| 11:02.03 | Jademus | Driver no overlay, driver with overlay, driver no overlay. |
| 11:02.56 | Jademus | Also, have you tried BacklashRockets mover? |
| 11:02.57 | Jademus | brb |
| 11:03.31 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmm, so can match overlays up with the specific index |
| 11:04.05 | DeadZergling | here I was thinking it was 1 motion overlay and it had to be used for the whole damn thing |
| 11:05.36 | Jademus | BacklashRocketsLMWeapon mover is coincidentally what I described above. |
| 11:05.37 | G0A | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XvmhE1J9PY learn to code |
| 11:05.57 | Jademus | already did. |
| 11:07.54 | kingTD | nahhhhh |
| 11:08.02 | DeadZergling | you heard Obama guys, no more playing Zolden's map |
| 11:08.22 | kingTD | :D |
| 11:08.37 | kingTD | its time to make them happen!!! |
| 11:08.43 | DeadZergling | it has been presidentially boycotted |
| 11:08.58 | Zolden | how would Stewox comment it? |
| 11:09.14 | Zolden | obama wants more ppl get zombified? |
| 11:09.23 | Zolden | obama is zombie? |
| 11:09.55 | Jademus | FOX News headline: President encourages youth become nerds, virgins, mass shooters |
| 11:10.27 | G0A | Zolden Obama wants infiltrate the mapping community |
| 11:10.32 | DeadZergling | surprised he didn't suggest more html, xml, css |
| 11:10.46 | DeadZergling | so he has a website that works next time |
| 11:10.53 | Zolden | obama is noob |
| 11:10.55 | Jademus | Deadz, that just means he's not a web developer. =D |
| 11:10.58 | G0A | DeadZergling n1 :D |
| 11:11.12 | Jademus | Neither front- nor back-end. |
| 11:11.21 | Jademus | Also, haha. |
| 11:13.35 | DeadZergling | was staring at banshee backlash rockets in game, while I agree they are cool looking, I am too big of mover noob to understand how they relate |
| 11:14.35 | JademusSreg | Did you examine the data? |
| 11:15.01 | DeadZergling | well not sure it is a good example, as it only has 1 motion overlay |
| 11:15.03 | Zolden | hmm, looks like someone has cloned hitler, and made him gay for more lulz http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/merleblancdb/67738234/4251/4251_original.jpg |
| 11:15.12 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 11:15.42 | G0A | Zolden maybe hitler was gay all along |
| 11:16.04 | G0A | he had weird sexual life if I remember right |
| 11:16.15 | DeadZergling | I guess I'm missing the part about how it connects to the Motion Phases |
| 11:16.42 | G0A | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_of_Adolf_Hitler |
| 11:16.43 | Bommes | the overlays? |
| 11:16.48 | Bommes | there is a specific list for that |
| 11:16.53 | Bommes | for each motion phase |
| 11:17.00 | Bommes | which overlays are used and to which scale |
| 11:17.33 | DeadZergling | so that's what that weird tiny overlay inside the motion phase is for/ |
| 11:17.57 | JademusSreg | See also HurricaneMissile. |
| 11:18.00 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 11:18.38 | DeadZergling | well, that makes movers a whole lot less rigid now doesn't it |
| 11:21.04 | kingTD | http://i.imgur.com/VPFxthf.jpg |
| 11:21.42 | DeadZergling | really enjoying ourself eh kingTD ? |
| 11:21.57 | kingTD | yeahhhhhhhhh , mmmmm,,, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 11:26.35 | kingTD | http://i.imgur.com/jWZjh.gif |
| 11:27.31 | halides | my fav caster, gay9 |
| 11:29.05 | Zolden | my fav caster is sorceress Pointyboobia |
| 11:29.44 | halides | i actually googled pointyboobie |
| 11:29.46 | halides | ZERO HITS |
| 11:30.10 | Zolden | cia and fbi are after her |
| 11:30.21 | Zolden | goverment hiding her presence |
| 11:30.56 | Zolden | we live in tech world |
| 11:31.02 | Zolden | magic is forbidden |
| 11:31.13 | Zolden | and she's a strong and dangerous magician |
| 11:31.27 | Zolden | she casts so called tropical storms on us |
| 11:32.28 | DeadZergling | is also possible it is just a name you crapped out of nowhere |
| 11:33.39 | JademusSreg | Zol, can I get a plain plane model with distortion? That should allow me to play with shit. |
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| 11:38.01 | DeadZergling | well, the movers hate me, again, here is what I was trying: http://tny.cz/8083ec43 |
| 11:42.42 | JademusSreg | Deadz, your didn't use the Overlays field at all. |
| 11:42.58 | DeadZergling | yea I did, motion phase 1 |
| 11:43.01 | DeadZergling | just left it all defaults |
| 11:44.25 | JademusSreg | And the default value is? =D |
| 11:44.35 | JademusSreg | prepares for the punchline. |
| 11:46.28 | DeadZergling | http://ctrlv.in/268627 |
| 11:47.08 | JademusSreg | And does -1 seem like a useful scale value? |
| 11:47.49 | DeadZergling | no idea, -1 is the default for a lot of fields, it is complaining about the outros anyways, not that |
| 11:47.54 | JademusSreg | It defines how the motion overlay scales to the motion phase. |
| 11:50.35 | JademusSreg | Time to deliver my progeny to the municipal indoctrination facility. =D |
| 11:50.38 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 11:52.30 | G0A | JademusSreg has kids? |
| 11:52.48 | G0A | I thought his bot with AI. |
| 11:52.54 | G0A | he is* |
| 11:57.07 | DeadZergling | anyone better at movers able to tell me why the editor would complain about my outro values here? http://tny.cz/8083ec43 |
| 12:01.19 | Bommes | I think there is a value what kind of Outro transition the motion phase uses |
| 12:01.25 | Bommes | like exponential, logarithmic etc |
| 12:01.50 | Bommes | I think exponential, lograrithmic and linear are the options, maybe it complains if you choose none there |
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| 12:05.21 | Zolden | JademusSreg yea |
| 12:06.33 | DeadZergling | okay, trying setting them to linear |
| 12:06.54 | Zolden | G0A he may also be his bot with AI |
| 12:07.05 | Zolden | self-replicating bots is where the invasion begins |
| 12:10.26 | DeadZergling | well, it didn't like that either Bommes, seems I have drunk as fuck movers right now |
| 12:10.35 | DeadZergling | they go the 1 distance then get stuck in a rut |
| 12:11.38 | Bommes | oh nevermind, i didnt see that the pastebin went further down |
| 12:11.41 | Bommes | hold on |
| 12:12.14 | Bommes | your last motion phase looks weird |
| 12:12.39 | Bommes | you have to put overlays into each motion phase where you want the overlay to be, also the last active motion phase can't have an outro since there is nothing it could outro into |
| 12:12.45 | Bommes | thats probably the cause for the error |
| 12:13.12 | Bommes | since the last motion phase doesn't have a type (like guidance or something), so it tries to outro into that motion phase of no type |
| 12:15.13 | DeadZergling | well, I only want the overlay in phase 1 |
| 12:18.43 | DeadZergling | what would you suggest trying? |
| 12:19.15 | Bommes | overlay isn't the problem, just make sure that the last active motion phase doesn't have an outro |
| 12:19.46 | Bommes | and that the last motion phase is of type guidance (or any other type than none) |
| 12:22.24 | DeadZergling | although, the terribadness of the mover gives me an idea on how to make this ability more unique, lol |
| 12:26.13 | DeadZergling | have my Jack Daniels Mage projectile be so drunk it stumbles around for a long time |
| 12:26.19 | DeadZergling | he has to lure enemies into it |
| 12:30.37 | DeadZergling | Okay, it doesn't like that one either, still complaining about the outros: http://tny.cz/dfc4f5af |
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| 12:36.20 | DeadZergling | this is the message it keeps showing: http://ctrlv.in/268637 |
| 12:37.42 | Bommes | then you can't use the same values as the starting blend point as the stop blend point of the previous mover phase |
| 12:38.01 | DeadZergling | prozaic's tutorial lies again! |
| 12:38.13 | Bommes | they might have changed it at some point |
| 12:38.28 | DeadZergling | probably, funner to accuse him of lying though |
| 12:41.00 | DeadZergling | well that's stupid anyways, now you can't stop at 1, blend in at 1 |
| 12:41.07 | DeadZergling | you now get to stop at 1, blend in at 1.01 |
| 12:42.40 | DeadZergling | still no idea how to get an overlay to go backwards, or how to make it stop for that matter, driving me nuts |
| 12:43.24 | A1win | overlay? |
| 12:43.31 | DeadZergling | motion overlay |
| 12:43.48 | Bommes | http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/game/maps-and-mods/tutorials/missile-movers/ |
| 12:44.02 | DeadZergling | trying to do http://ctrlv.in/268603 again A1win |
| 12:44.28 | DeadZergling | yea, unfortunately they don't have a going backwards section... |
| 12:44.31 | A1win | mm no idea about movers |
| 12:45.02 | Bommes | what do you mean, backwards? |
| 12:45.58 | JademusSreg | Backeral. |
| 12:46.33 | DeadZergling | just like the picture shows Bommes, I want it to loop backwards once |
| 12:46.37 | DeadZergling | then continue in its path |
| 12:47.11 | JademusSreg | Bom, Outro and Intro are distance values. |
| 12:47.27 | Bommes | that looks like an orbit type overlay in X direction |
| 12:47.43 | Bommes | with 2 motion phases, one that uses the overlay and outros at wavelength |
| 12:47.51 | JademusSreg | +value is distance from source, -value is distance to target. =\ |
| 12:48.03 | Bommes | I know |
| 12:48.38 | JademusSreg | "I think there is a value what kind of Outro transition the motion phase uses like exponential, logarithmic etc I think exponential, lograrithmic and linear are the options, maybe it complains if you choose none there" |
| 12:48.59 | Bommes | the blending of the outro I meant |
| 12:49.05 | Bommes | since you can choose blendat and stopat values |
| 12:49.18 | JademusSreg | Again, distance. |
| 12:49.56 | JademusSreg | Anyway, wat's the situation, Deadz? |
| 12:50.36 | DeadZergling | I've effectively made a VERY drunk missile |
| 12:50.47 | JademusSreg | Except there's already a DrunkMissile. |
| 12:50.48 | DeadZergling | it goes a short distance, and then it staggers slowly across the screen |
| 12:50.48 | Bommes | again, I don't know what you want to tell me ^^ |
| 12:51.10 | DeadZergling | so problems are, the motion overlay doesn't seem to be turning off |
| 12:51.16 | DeadZergling | and it isn't going backwards |
| 12:51.31 | JademusSreg | Did you set the Overlays field for all the motion phases? |
| 12:51.40 | DeadZergling | only for phase 1 |
| 12:51.45 | DeadZergling | is the only one I want it on |
| 12:52.05 | JademusSreg | Yeah, should have examined the examples I mentioned. =D |
| 12:53.05 | JademusSreg | Look at the -XML- data for BacklashRocketsLMWeapon. |
| 12:53.23 | JademusSreg | Observe the value of Overlays fields in each of the three MotionPhases. |
| 12:54.05 | Zolden | JademusSreg haven't you tried pathing? it would be a realy useful feature if someone could make it work |
| 12:54.41 | JademusSreg | Tried it, didn't seem to work on a blank map. Will test with units imminently. |
| 12:59.06 | DeadZergling | well, it turns off now, apparently after applying an overlay, you have to unapply it as well to get rid of it? |
| 12:59.35 | JademusSreg | In crude terms, sure. |
| 13:00.08 | Zolden | apply an apple to an apple |
| 13:00.10 | JademusSreg | In technical terms, it's always applied, the scale affects the extent to which it influences the phase. |
| 13:02.03 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmmm, still got issues, it refuses to spin around anything other than the line between caster and periodic offset target point |
| 13:03.05 | DeadZergling | could try other types, like orbit or wave, but I fear it will still want that line |
| 13:04.31 | JademusSreg | It's not an arcane ritual to appease the capricious editor spirits, it's just data. =D |
| 13:06.43 | DeadZergling | coulda fooled me |
| 13:06.50 | JademusSreg | A guess-n-test approach takes forever to get anything done. Instead look to the standard data for references, understand what each of the individual elements are, contributing to a total understanding of the components and how to use them. |
| 13:09.12 | A1win | *looks at standard data to learn how to name a map* |
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| 13:10.14 | DeadZergling | well, my missile has progressed from a slow, staggering drunk missile |
| 13:10.24 | DeadZergling | to an out of control driver under the influence |
| 13:13.52 | DeadZergling | and I could probably make zanac style damage shield if I wanted to now, lol |
| 13:14.00 | DeadZergling | shield #3 that is |
| 13:15.45 | JademusSreg | Option 1: Cultural reference, variant or word play. Option 2: Acronym convention, must be pronouncible, one or two syllables, and describe an object-property relationship. Option 3: Single term, indicative of the game's concept or motif, may involve compounds, hypenation, and/or neologisms. Option 4: Non-sequitur. |
| 13:15.51 | JademusSreg | Those are your options A1. |
| 13:18.08 | Ownage | trying to learn effects more, as they're pretty damn cool.. how can I make an effect which issues order to attack to a static point on the map, or point of a specific unit on the map? |
| 13:18.10 | A1win | yay, I have options ;p |
| 13:18.26 | Ownage | I'm guessing I need to use outer: point but I can't really make out how to.. "pass it" the point exactly |
| 13:19.17 | Ownage | like if I have a behavior with periodic issue order attack, how do I pass it a static point or position of unit (point) to attack to? |
| 13:19.57 | A1win | I'd guess you have to use a search effect to find a unit to use as a reference |
| 13:20.51 | JademusSreg | Own, Search Area effect; validate for unit type of unit at desired point > Issue Order effect; Order Target set Target; Target field Caster. |
| 13:21.06 | Ownage | is that needed if the unit is always the same actual unit, always in the same place? |
| 13:21.18 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 13:23.17 | Ownage | thnx |
| 13:25.57 | JademusSreg | Also, my solution assumed other units were starting the effect tree. If you wanted to the target itself to apply the effect, which could arguably be more efficient, that is also doable, and would have Issue Order field Order Target set to Caster, and Target set to Target. |
| 13:27.00 | grim001 | I've been having fun with batch image processing lately |
| 13:27.05 | JademusSreg | Orly? |
| 13:27.35 | JademusSreg | Which libraries have ye been using? |
| 13:27.38 | grim001 | It's kinda interesting to apply a filter to every individual image in a series of animations and see how it looks ingame within 2 seconds |
| 13:28.01 | grim001 | I made a little command line interface for imagemagick in java |
| 13:29.37 | JademusSreg | Nice. |
| 13:30.28 | grim001 | I guess I would have to figure out a good tool for it at some point, otherwise it becomes impractical to make changes to the graphics of any animated entity without a huge amount of work. |
| 13:31.02 | JademusSreg | Getting more immediate feedback definitely helps make a filter's matrix operations less abstract. =D |
| 13:32.36 | grim001 | Using imagemagick I could alter image files and immediately load them into the game for display |
| 13:33.15 | grim001 | so, instant feedback. |
| 13:34.14 | grim001 | I'm not sure about using it for procedual graphics generation though. Something tells me it won't be quite fast enough. |
| 13:34.25 | JademusSreg | Are you running imagemagick as a separate application or doing the i/o and filtering from the game process? |
| 13:35.32 | Bommes | DeadZergling: https://pastee.org/vev7b |
| 13:35.39 | DeadZergling | well seems wave with polarity negative might be a winner for going backwards, having issues getting any height though |
| 13:35.46 | grim001 | Right now, it's just a separate process |
| 13:36.37 | grim001 | It seems that procedurally altering images (per-frame changes) should be done via shaders or it'll be horribly slow. |
| 13:36.49 | DeadZergling | cool bommes, ill try that in a min |
| 13:36.55 | grim001 | Images can't be cached in video memory if they keep changing. |
| 13:36.59 | JademusSreg | Was just about to bring up shaders, haha. |
| 13:37.31 | grim001 | I have no experience with shaders... yet. |
| 13:37.49 | JademusSreg | Oh, apparently there's a sweet site. |
| 13:38.58 | JademusSreg | searches links. |
| 13:39.09 | JademusSreg | https://www.shadertoy.com/ |
| 13:39.09 | grim001 | I'm going to be transitioning to jlwgl once everything else on my to-do list is completed... then I'll have to take a much more in-depth approach to how I render the graphics |
| 13:39.22 | grim001 | I'll bookmark it |
| 13:40.14 | JademusSreg | Yeah, may involve some configuring to get shit to appear properly there, but coding and getting quick feedback, quite helpful. |
| 13:41.07 | DeadZergling | nice, well that definitely does a loop now doesn't it |
| 13:47.22 | DeadZergling | now if only I could understand why it works, thanks Bommes |
| 13:51.24 | Zolden | A1win call it "Subdolak" |
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| 14:44.45 | G0A | anybody good with turrets? |
| 14:45.11 | G0A | need 2 weapon, one fires only left the other only right and it should be done by turrets... |
| 14:48.42 | Ahli | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4479839/Baneblade%202.0.4%20and%20WarTank.SC2Map look at the wartank |
| 14:52.38 | G0A | thx |
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| 14:57.19 | G0A | ohh I must messed up at the weapon with arc settings there |
| 14:57.28 | G0A | thx:) |
| 15:15.34 | A1win | it's snowing D: |
| 15:15.49 | A1win | (more) |
| 15:15.52 | A1win | ...and a lot |
| 15:17.14 | turtles1 | wish it snowed here today |
| 15:17.15 | JademusSreg | "How much snow is coming down?" All of it. All of the snow. |
| 15:17.29 | A1win | ;x |
| 15:17.45 | turtles1 | was mid 30's and humid |
| 15:17.55 | turtles1 | (95 for you imperialists) |
| 15:18.14 | A1win | 95 what? |
| 15:18.23 | turtles1 | farheniet |
| 15:18.46 | A1win | err 30 celsius? |
| 15:18.54 | turtles1 | mid 30's |
| 15:19.00 | turtles1 | yeah, celsius |
| 15:19.02 | A1win | :x |
| 15:19.04 | A1win | -6 here |
| 15:19.09 | A1win | was -15 last night |
| 15:19.22 | turtles1 | :O |
| 15:19.33 | turtles1 | that's cold |
| 15:19.41 | A1win | it'll get colder :E |
| 15:20.18 | turtles1 | Don't think I've ever experienced more than about -10 |
| 15:20.24 | turtles1 | wouldn't want to either |
| 15:20.37 | A1win | hehe |
| 15:21.04 | A1win | with enough clothes, it's just tingling on the face |
| 15:21.41 | A1win | 5 day forecast for where I'm at: http://www.foreca.com/Finland/Lapinlahti?lang=en |
| 15:22.04 | turtles1 | Do you need goggles to go out in the wind though? |
| 15:22.15 | A1win | nah ;p |
| 15:22.21 | turtles1 | at what temperature do your eyes frereze off? |
| 15:22.21 | JademusSreg | is pleased by an experiment. |
| 15:22.23 | A1win | not even at -30 or so |
| 15:22.28 | turtles1 | ok |
| 15:23.28 | A1win | I think you can even go out without goggles at -40, hasn't been that cold around here in decades though |
| 15:24.26 | turtles1 | will probably breach +40 here in a few weeks |
| 15:24.34 | turtles1 | I'll take + over - anytime |
| 15:24.41 | A1win | hehe |
| 15:24.50 | A1win | I don't :P |
| 15:24.54 | A1win | it's warm inside |
| 15:25.00 | A1win | at +40 it's almost unbearable |
| 15:25.15 | A1win | we have warm houses around here ;p |
| 15:25.31 | A1win | double glass windows and good heating |
| 15:25.44 | turtles1 | I can just go into my garage below ground level and walk around nakid |
| 15:25.49 | turtles1 | perfectly fine :P |
| 15:26.44 | A1win | I guess you have better air conditioning than we do o: |
| 15:27.45 | turtles1 | and beaches. Theres a reason why Australia is a vast continent of emptyness |
| 15:28.02 | turtles1 | but with like 95% of the people hugging the coast line |
| 15:30.15 | A1win | hmmh I wonder how cold-resistant Nexus 7 is |
| 15:30.20 | Kueken | Ahli: Somehow that map looks slightly familiar :D |
| 15:32.01 | Kueken | pretty old version of the baneblade, though |
| 15:32.04 | Kueken | but w/e |
| 15:40.32 | Zolden | A1win it's a kind of weather that ruined Napoleon's army |
| 15:40.42 | Zolden | shouldn't be that cold in early december |
| 15:40.49 | Zolden | and Napoleon knew it |
| 15:41.09 | Zolden | but weather trolled him |
| 15:45.41 | Ahli | kueken, yeah, I fixed it for fate when you were absent for some time after hots hit |
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| 15:46.18 | Ahli | because it was showing all of the units back then for some reason |
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| 15:55.38 | JademusSreg | Once I get this shit positioned, it will make a lovely screenshot. |
| 16:05.19 | Zolden | na server is off? |
| 16:06.07 | turtles1 | Scheduled maintanance 1 AM PST |
| 16:06.20 | turtles1 | expected till 11 AM |
| 16:08.30 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/photo/2013-12-10%2017.38.15.jpg |
| 16:08.32 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/photo/2013-12-10%2017.59.49.jpg |
| 16:09.20 | A1win | took those from my shopping trip ;p |
| 16:09.25 | A1win | *on my |
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| 16:21.05 | Ownage | grim001, what do you mean you made a cli for imagemagick? imagemagick is already cli. what am I missing |
| 16:23.38 | turtles1 | night peeps. Catch you tomorrow some time |
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| 16:39.12 | Zolden | someone walked on snow, so now there's a huge penis drawn |
| 16:39.20 | Kueken | ew |
| 16:39.52 | Kueken | imagines Jade's shit positioned in a screenshot |
| 16:40.12 | Kueken | I guess, I shouldn't take that too literally |
| 16:42.00 | Kueken | also i don't get the penis joke :/ |
| 16:42.07 | Kueken | very embarrassing |
| 16:44.05 | kingTD | very intelligent(?) |
| 16:45.35 | kingTD | sooo another year is passed... |
| 16:45.47 | JademusSreg | Test 1: https://www.dropbox.com/s/954fv21j3wl5k87/FontTest-Helvete.png |
| 16:45.55 | JademusSreg | Test 2: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rlvdd29q8mj2jqd/FontTest-Futhark.png |
| 16:46.45 | kingTD | Jade how about those pathing tests? |
| 16:47.31 | JademusSreg | Test results were not conclusive, but didn't work for me either. =D |
| 16:47.34 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 16:48.00 | kingTD | :]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]][][]][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]][][][ |
| 16:48.51 | JademusSreg | My font tests turned out well. |
| 16:49.34 | JademusSreg | Had to find decent fonts that support a range of special joining chars, and many manual edits, but pleasing results. |
| 16:49.36 | JademusSreg | brb++ |
| 16:50.01 | JademusSreg | (Text was rendered in SC2, in case there was any ambiguity.) |
| 16:52.08 | Kueken | that must have taken a lot of time, arranging your fecal matter like that. |
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| 16:56.33 | mille25 | hey |
| 16:58.36 | kingTD | http://i.imgur.com/Wqpjlgz.jpg |
| 16:59.43 | JademusSreg | Kueken, and with a toothpick, no less. |
| 16:59.49 | JademusSreg | Hi thar mille. |
| 17:00.03 | Kueken | I thought toothbrush |
| 17:00.34 | JademusSreg | Today, tested fonts in SC2. https://www.dropbox.com/s/954fv21j3wl5k87/FontTest-Helvete.png https://www.dropbox.com/s/rlvdd29q8mj2jqd/FontTest-Futhark.png |
| 17:01.07 | Kueken | is font 2 supposed to be readable by humans? |
| 17:01.19 | Kueken | if yes, I don't see it |
| 17:02.46 | JademusSreg | Ran the text through a zalgo-ification script before entered them into the editor. |
| 17:03.06 | Kueken | also, I didn't expect coherent text from you, my guess would have been lorem Ipsum. |
| 17:03.12 | Kueken | I am disappoint. |
| 17:03.39 | JademusSreg | Instead, I chose lyrics from a song I enjoy. |
| 17:05.41 | Kueken | we should make a Lorem Ipsum song |
| 17:05.52 | Kueken | nvm, pretty sure it already exists |
| 17:31.40 | A1win | damn you, now I have "lorem ipsum dolor sit amet" playing in my head to some random tune |
| 17:32.55 | Lajjla | A1win, näätko milloinkaan ihmiset interneteillä jotka kirjoittaa käyttäen '-vät' verbille? |
| 17:32.55 | Lajjla | Joutsenetkin jäätyvät kiini jaloistaan |
| 17:34.35 | A1win | *näetkö milloinkaan ihmisiä internetissä, jotka kirjoittavat käyttäen verbien monikkomuotoja |
| 17:35.08 | A1win | well, some people use formal language even on IRC |
| 17:35.15 | A1win | most prefer not to |
| 17:37.17 | Lajjla | A1win, nonon, I said 'on the internets' on purpose |
| 17:37.17 | Lajjla | You can't take my plural internets |
| 17:37.59 | Lajjla | But like 'joutsenetkin jäätyy kiini jaloistaan' is like from an actual song, no one uses -vät |
| 17:38.24 | A1win | not no one, just not that many |
| 17:38.43 | JademusSreg | I'm surprised custom fonts are not more widely employed in maps, given how easy it is to implement. |
| 17:39.01 | A1win | JademusSreg, one must first make a custom font |
| 17:40.50 | JademusSreg | "custom" in the sense of imported, which is to say not one of the fab-five. |
| 17:43.03 | Lajjla | A1win, ja sinä käytät, koska sinulla on paljon rahia? |
| 17:43.13 | A1win | rahia? :P |
| 17:43.48 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 17:44.08 | A1win | and no I don't use it on usenet, just in formal texts... which I mostly write in English anyway |
| 17:44.27 | Lajjla | raha = money right? |
| 17:44.27 | Lajjla | So paljon rahia is 'lots of moneys' |
| 17:44.36 | A1win | "paljon rahaa" |
| 17:45.02 | A1win | same as in english, you don't use plural of "money" ;p |
| 17:45.32 | A1win | (and that wasn't the plural anyway) |
| 17:45.37 | A1win | plural is "rahoja" |
| 17:45.56 | Lajjla | A1win, niin miksi kertoisit mulle että minun on pakko? |
| 17:45.56 | Lajjla | But you do 'lots of moneys' and you also say 'on the internets' |
| 17:45.56 | Lajjla | not 'on the itnenret' |
| 17:46.07 | A1win | (also no idea what money's got to do with using plural forms of verbs) |
| 17:46.20 | JademusSreg | A1, which one of the 4 name options did you choose? |
| 17:46.22 | A1win | you don't say that in Finnish, though ;p |
| 17:47.08 | A1win | dunno :x |
| 17:47.16 | A1win | any one of them could work I suppose |
| 17:50.28 | A1win | which isn't very helpful, I know |
| 17:52.05 | JademusSreg | No worries; that was the amusing response anticipated. =D |
| 17:52.07 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 17:52.57 | A1win | and I anticipated your response to my anticipated response, why are we even having these discussions D: |
| 17:53.38 | kingTD | some didlos for u http://youtu.be/jG7uCAy4eVQ |
| 17:57.23 | kingTD | lolololol.... sharing how he recorded video of car crash and thennn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dcsJfDFmXY |
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| 18:07.42 | Ahli | I do not understand |
| 18:25.57 | Zolden | JademusSreg font test? we can put fonts into sc2? |
| 18:27.22 | kingTD | Zolden yeah |
| 18:29.43 | Zolden | yeah? we can put yeahs in sc2? |
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| 18:34.29 | JademusSreg | (Yes.) |
| 18:35.22 | kingTD | Zolden u can use WoW fonts! |
| 18:35.34 | Ahli | u can use diablo fonts |
| 18:35.35 | kingTD | and be coooooooooooooooool |
| 18:36.25 | kingTD | fucking finally mapping again... |
| 18:36.33 | kingTD | in other news |
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| 18:43.36 | grim001 | man |
| 18:43.57 | grim001 | all the sprites in my game need 8 directions of rotation, and all of the animations hand-crafted in each of the 8 directions as well. |
| 18:44.41 | Lajjla | A1win kuulen että interneteissä on huhuja |
| 18:44.48 | grim001 | i spend 10-20% of my work time helping the artist conceptualize what things should look like in every direction. |
| 18:48.49 | G0A | this looks interesting game: http://www.joystiq.com/2013/12/09/no-mans-sky-is-a-sci-fi-exploration-roguelike-in-a-consistent-u/ |
| 18:53.42 | kingTD | it is. but as TB said its just too ambitious and it may fail horribly |
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| 19:26.14 | G0A | Zolden finished Entropy TD 2.) |
| 19:27.15 | Zolden | great |
| 19:27.23 | Zolden | uploaded? |
| 19:27.44 | G0A | yes |
| 19:27.59 | Zolden | will try |
| 19:28.08 | G0A | 7 new waves and 5 new crazy tower |
| 19:30.09 | G0A | time to work on Mines and Nexus Squadron Strike:D |
| 19:30.33 | G0A | just joking, it will have sightly different resource system:) |
| 19:30.57 | kingTD | G0A does it will have road system? |
| 19:31.06 | G0A | could:) |
| 19:31.12 | G0A | now that you say |
| 19:31.42 | G0A | kingTD Final Frontier has kinda "road" system |
| 19:31.50 | G0A | as all planets has own resources |
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| 19:51.25 | G0A | soi |
| 19:51.37 | G0A | so kingTD M&M? |
| 19:52.01 | kingTD | well |
| 19:52.12 | kingTD | will require at least one match to play that ufcker |
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| 20:00.46 | duckies | btw, jademusserg you were right, changing units collision through catalog works, ty |
| 20:02.17 | kingTD | Jade u rock like a rock! |
| 20:03.13 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:03.20 | JademusSreg | Glad to help. |
| 20:20.28 | DeadZergling | good we can confirm things like set catalog still works |
| 20:24.51 | JademusSreg | (Some fields are locked and it's not obvious which would be, thus one cannot assume catalog modification will work.) |
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| 20:39.46 | duckies | uuh.. |
| 20:40.06 | kingTD | yay height map http://snag.gy/PcNZ0.jpg |
| 20:40.39 | duckies | Jademus, is there anything modifiable through catalog that isn't modifiable through upgrades? Looks like that they are a quick and nice reference to what can and can't be changed (just checked, unit collision is right there in upgrades, modifiable and laughing at me for ever beliving otherwise) |
| 20:41.09 | kingTD | godzilka http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn3H9ckoCh0 |
| 20:41.34 | duckies | catalog link replace is the catalog function I can't find a list for ;/ |
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| 20:50.34 | DeadZergling | Look Zolden, a Russian soap dispenser! https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7945646592/hC34EFC8A/ |
| 20:53.36 | DeadZergling | So, what name have you picked for your map A1win ? |
| 20:57.31 | DeadZergling | Well can keep hoping you have one :P |
| 20:58.25 | DeadZergling | Really bothersome though, at this rate I may understand movers before you have a name for your map, now that is really bad... |
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| 20:58.55 | DeadZergling | Hi EmperorZolden, I found a Russian soap dispenser: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7945646592/hC34EFC8A/ |
| 20:59.40 | kingTD | more squares!! http://snag.gy/7L8gP.jpg |
| 21:02.33 | DeadZergling | this that random generator you doing kingTD ? |
| 21:02.40 | kingTD | yeah |
| 21:03.13 | DeadZergling | this for a project elsewhere, or sc2? |
| 21:03.21 | kingTD | sc2 |
| 21:03.35 | kingTD | the image generated in sc2 |
| 21:03.38 | kingTD | in game |
| 21:03.54 | DeadZergling | looks cool, have to do something about the closed off spaces though |
| 21:04.25 | kingTD | closed off? |
| 21:04.34 | DeadZergling | empty space with no way in/out |
| 21:04.53 | DeadZergling | no fun wasting space |
| 21:06.21 | DeadZergling | I assume this is for like a random dungeon or such? |
| 21:07.44 | kingTD | lol generated green white height map... (highest points and bottom... no other) |
| 21:07.51 | kingTD | no |
| 21:07.55 | kingTD | its for landscape |
| 21:08.04 | kingTD | hills rivers and shit |
| 21:08.08 | kingTD | so its Height map |
| 21:08.29 | kingTD | for better organization of script to make all this shit generated |
| 21:09.04 | DeadZergling | ah, I see, how you going about keeping river tiles connected, flowing so to speak? |
| 21:10.44 | kingTD | using this data will pick highest values or lowest and will try to connect the path and on top of that will generate the units along that guidence |
| 21:15.29 | kingTD | current state of totally randomly generated map http://snag.gy/4cG5u.jpg |
| 21:16.40 | DeadZergling | Feel like I should start a level of Jackal or Oregon Trail Next |
| 21:19.55 | Dustin | Woot, finished up a server status script for my local network servers and setup a starbound server :D <b>Starbound</b> |
| 21:19.55 | Dustin | <?php $ServerStatus=getRemoteSeverStatusFromPort(21025); displayServerStatus($ServerStatus); ?> |
| 21:19.55 | Dustin | <br> |
| 21:19.59 | Dustin | oops |
| 21:20.05 | Dustin | https://dustinhendrickson.com/?view=servers |
| 21:23.14 | EmperorZolden | DeadZergling yea, cool |
| 21:23.33 | EmperorZolden | kingTD what colors mean? |
| 21:24.35 | kingTD | hill levels. from 8 to 0. White 8, brown - yellow 7 - 4 , greens 3 - 0 |
| 21:24.58 | Zolden | nice |
| 21:25.36 | JademusSreg | duck, that's a good point. Shows how much I never actually use Upgrade data. =D |
| 21:26.10 | DeadZergling | upgrade data is nice, if no decimal points are involved |
| 21:41.16 | kingTD | so tomorrow jorney awaits |
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| 21:45.06 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 21:45.13 | ArcanePariah | spies a quacking thing |
| 21:45.17 | JademusSreg | Sproing. |
| 21:45.51 | ArcanePariah | sup duckies |
| 21:45.55 | ArcanePariah | sup JademusSreg |
| 21:46.26 | duckies | hey pariah, nice tutorial |
| 21:46.30 | JademusSreg | Considering how I shall go about approaching "creepy mechanics". |
| 21:46.43 | ArcanePariah | thx duckies |
| 21:47.05 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg, creepy mechanics? |
| 21:47.53 | JademusSreg | Yes, mechanics which are creepy, unnerving, disorienting, or otherwise subtly distressing. |
| 21:49.14 | ArcanePariah | Well, usually creepy arises from visual or auditory disturbance, which is usually not mechanical in nature, since all things that are mechanics amount to number games |
| 21:49.29 | JademusSreg | Probably doesn't make sense without some context, so I'll explain. |
| 21:49.50 | ArcanePariah | Of course you could make something "creepy" by making it unpredictable, but that tends to be considered unfun |
| 21:54.44 | JademusSreg | Working on a design for a map entitled "Parish". In the Lovecraftian tradition, it's about a group of strangers in a seemingly abandoned town beset by malevolent, utterly alien influences. |
| 21:57.59 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... well... as a creepy mechanic, I've always been creeped out by an "ally" who has been driven insane/delusional by their experience in said environment. My chief example of this is Father Grigori in Half Life 2, during the Ravenholm level |
| 21:58.20 | A1win | layered creepiness |
| 21:59.02 | A1win | though not sure what you mean by "mechanics" in this context D: |
| 21:59.11 | ArcanePariah | Also, the Black Headcrabs of HL2 have always been creepy, due to their small size, sound they make, and their mechanic of never ever being able to kill you, but leaving you at death's door |
| 21:59.33 | ArcanePariah | Nothing like hearing them chrip and next thing you know, you are at 1 hp |
| 22:00.13 | ArcanePariah | From what I understand, it was done so well, people, upon hearing the sound of them, immediately stop fighting anything else, and turn on them with overkill firepower |
| 22:00.42 | ArcanePariah | Including myself, I've unloaded full clips of w/e I had, and near on panic |
| 22:00.52 | A1win | they were creepy because they were spider-like |
| 22:00.59 | ArcanePariah | That didn't help either |
| 22:01.27 | ArcanePariah | It was the combination of small, spider, warning sound, near death, they lept at you, and often were hiding in dark places |
| 22:01.54 | ArcanePariah | I will admit to panicking and attempting to kill one only to hit explosive barrels and kill myself |
| 22:01.59 | ArcanePariah | XD |
| 22:02.04 | A1win | ;x |
| 22:02.32 | A1win | however, I'm not entirely convinced that kind of creepiness is desirable in a non-horror game |
| 22:03.22 | A1win | though I guess Half-Life is partially kind of a horror game, considering it takes influence from The Mist |
| 22:04.46 | JademusSreg | Player's characters initially congregate when taking refuge in the parish chapel, and gameplay would be characterized as ARPG (Diablo-flavored) minus the power-trip, focused on a mix of combat and escapes, with optional, emergent objectives related to figuring out the meaning of bizarre messages and character interaction. |
| 22:06.02 | A1win | interesting concept, at some point I was really into the lovecraftian themes |
| 22:07.42 | JademusSreg | Oh, and I should clarify, not fishing for ideas, but rather considering how I'll go about implementing those I have. For instance, characters want to escape the town, but the town seems to endlessly extend and rearrange itself. |
| 22:08.58 | A1win | ah... like one of *those* shops |
| 22:09.34 | JademusSreg | (Which is to say, not seeking assistance, but rather explaining what was intended by my consideration of creepy mechanics.) |
| 22:10.57 | JademusSreg | A1, sure, if those shops were an entire town, exactly. =D |
| 22:11.37 | A1win | do you know how scenarios are structured in call of cthulhu and world of darkness RPGs? like you discover something weird, then it starts to unveil a bit only to realize that it's just the top layer of the weirdness |
| 22:12.03 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 22:15.05 | JademusSreg | Wonder how much of it I can articulate. =D |
| 22:23.12 | JademusSreg | First level is the abandoned town and the dreadful things that hunt the strangers; rather common, silent-hill-ish setup. Second level is the seemingly infinite expansion of the town and its gradual, graphic transformation as the strangers navigate it, yet always find themselves back at the parish chapel. Third level is how the strangers are actually linked in ways which defy reasonable |
| 22:23.13 | JademusSreg | explanation and how, by using their backstories to define additional objectives for each player, these add risk to every refuge conversation. |
| 22:24.58 | A1win | been watching The Walking Dead, made me want to make a survival game again <.< |
| 22:27.39 | JademusSreg | Fourth level concerns the nature of the town and the characters, (without being too specific) how they repeat their attempts to escape and pursue their secret agendas. Fifth level concerns the meta-fictional relationship between the characters, the player, and the game. |
| 22:28.21 | JademusSreg | 5 levels of weirdness, not bad for a fresh design concept. |
| 22:29.32 | ArcanePariah | levels 3 - 5 remind me of the plot/design of FEAR |
| 22:30.04 | ArcanePariah | In terms of the relationships that are built up relating the character to his/her surroundings |
| 22:38.48 | JademusSreg | Or to describe with cultural references, (game) Silent Hill, (film) Cube 2, (film) Identity, (N.Gaiman short story) Other People, (music) Coheed & Cambria albums 1-4, respectively. |
| 22:38.58 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 22:52.06 | Bounty | Pew |
| 22:53.40 | rtschutter | Hello friends! |
| 22:53.46 | rtschutter | I have a question for you. |
| 22:54.10 | rtschutter | Do you know if there is a way to detect which map is being played? |
| 22:54.14 | rtschutter | In triggers? |
| 23:01.40 | A1win | that would require access to some sort of an identifier, pretty sure we don't have |
| 23:02.03 | rtschutter | I noticed some strange identifiers related to mod files between regions once |
| 23:02.12 | rtschutter | but I don't know how to access it, or if maps have them as well |
| 23:06.04 | DeadZergling | heh, I only know of Lovecraft because of Haiyoru! Nyaruko-san |
| 23:06.43 | A1win | I learned about Lovecraft when I played Illuminati! boardgame about ten years ago, it has Servants of Cthulhu as one of the groups |
| 23:06.47 | Bounty | Snake + Tower Defense + PvP |
| 23:06.53 | Bounty | Thoughts? :) |
| 23:07.12 | DeadZergling | too much work for the tower defense crowd |
| 23:07.24 | Bounty | wouldnt be hard at all |
| 23:07.30 | A1win | then I played Arkham Horror, bought it for myself with some expansions |
| 23:07.34 | A1win | cost about 300e |
| 23:07.36 | Bounty | each piece of your snake is a tower that you drag around |
| 23:07.40 | Bounty | pick up diff tower types |
| 23:07.44 | DeadZergling | no, what I'm saying is, the crowd interested in tower defense |
| 23:07.47 | Bounty | build ur mobile tower line |
| 23:07.47 | A1win | been playing it maybe once a year for a while :P |
| 23:07.57 | DeadZergling | wouldn't want to put that much work in probably |
| 23:08.04 | Bounty | and u go around the map dragging ur line of towers killing other players lol |
| 23:08.18 | Bounty | sounds fun to me though |
| 23:08.22 | Bounty | was curious what you guys thought |
| 23:08.35 | A1win | tried to read Lovecraft's short stories, read maybe 1/4 of them in chronological order... should've skipped to the newer ones I guess :P |
| 23:08.48 | A1win | the earlier works are rather boring |
| 23:08.51 | DeadZergling | my entire knowledge of it is from anime, lol |
| 23:09.05 | DeadZergling | and I am okay with it remaining this way |
| 23:09.18 | A1win | maybe you should read Call of Cthulhu, it's not insanely long |
| 23:09.30 | DeadZergling | hard to say for me Bounty, without a demo map |
| 23:09.52 | Bounty | Well I sure as hell am not making a prototype anytime soon lol |
| 23:10.02 | Bounty | You sound like Jade :) |
| 23:10.04 | A1win | or maybe not, it's not really that awesome of a story anyway |
| 23:10.20 | Bounty | Is there anyone who can hear a concept and make a judgement from that without a demo map? lol |
| 23:10.27 | Bounty | >.< |
| 23:10.29 | DeadZergling | I'm just not sure I can say if that'd be fun or not |
| 23:10.35 | Bounty | picture it |
| 23:10.36 | DeadZergling | without experiencing it |
| 23:10.42 | Bounty | Its a simple concept, I think |
| 23:10.56 | DeadZergling | so, you eat tower types |
| 23:11.00 | DeadZergling | to have more towers on snake? |
| 23:11.10 | Bounty | you eat a tower type and it gets added to your snake |
| 23:11.16 | Bounty | which fires at enemy snakes |
| 23:11.21 | Bounty | when you get within range |
| 23:11.39 | Bounty | It would also include typical snake rules, in that its 4 way movement and if you run into something you die |
| 23:11.46 | A1win | towers on a snake doesn't sound like a very sensible idea .P |
| 23:11.47 | A1win | :P |
| 23:11.56 | Bounty | it would not literally be a snake |
| 23:12.03 | Bounty | the concept is from the game called Snake |
| 23:12.04 | DeadZergling | what if a snake runs into another snake? |
| 23:12.05 | Bounty | :) |
| 23:12.18 | Bounty | head on? |
| 23:12.29 | Bounty | both dead |
| 23:12.31 | DeadZergling | can a snake run into something any other way? |
| 23:12.36 | Bounty | yeah |
| 23:12.38 | Bounty | the map lol |
| 23:12.48 | DeadZergling | sounds like towers are pointless |
| 23:13.02 | DeadZergling | just get the other snake trapped in a wall |
| 23:13.06 | Bounty | they fire at other players when you get within range... |
| 23:13.09 | Bounty | and can kill them |
| 23:13.28 | DeadZergling | both snakes die though |
| 23:13.36 | Bounty | if they collide head on |
| 23:13.40 | DeadZergling | sounds lame, so any idiot can go after my tail and we both die |
| 23:13.42 | Bounty | if you kill another snake hes dead |
| 23:13.52 | Bounty | no you have to kill the head |
| 23:13.53 | A1win | the towers still sound like a secondary gameplay if the snakes can be killed by trapping them |
| 23:13.54 | Bounty | derp |
| 23:14.25 | Bounty | How is it secondary |
| 23:14.30 | DeadZergling | towers really don't sound like such a good idea from this |
| 23:14.36 | Bounty | considering you start as 1 piece |
| 23:14.38 | A1win | you don't need them to kill the other player |
| 23:14.42 | Bounty | the amount of time you would have to survive |
| 23:14.48 | Bounty | to build a snake long enough |
| 23:14.52 | Bounty | to trap someone |
| 23:15.01 | Bounty | would be almost impossible bc of the towers of enemy players |
| 23:15.21 | Bounty | Yeah you don't need them but it would be easier with the towers |
| 23:15.48 | Bounty | this is not like photon cycles |
| 23:15.54 | Bounty | where your trail just goes on and on |
| 23:16.11 | A1win | still doesn't sound like a good idea to combine those gameplay types like that |
| 23:16.15 | Bounty | I get the impression none of you have played snake lool |
| 23:16.33 | DeadZergling | I've played it, and I never thought to myself |
| 23:16.33 | Bounty | I don't think any idea I've ever come up has ever sounded like a good idea A1win |
| 23:16.39 | A1win | :P |
| 23:16.40 | DeadZergling | if only I could eat towers |
| 23:17.03 | Bounty | could make them units that follow you |
| 23:17.17 | A1win | just get rid of the collision deaths somehow |
| 23:17.23 | A1win | make the towers the main thing |
| 23:17.49 | A1win | then it might make some sense |
| 23:17.53 | Bounty | Could just make collision do damage |
| 23:17.59 | Bounty | to you |
| 23:18.07 | A1win | now it sounds like Soccer where you also have a hockey puck on the field |
| 23:18.56 | A1win | no idea why I capitalized soccer |
| 23:18.59 | Bounty | Have I ever pitched one of my concepts in here and got a positive response? lol |
| 23:19.06 | Bounty | Trying to think of one |
| 23:19.07 | DeadZergling | I'm still waiting for someone to make a game of Extreme Underwater Basket Weaving |
| 23:19.08 | A1win | "It's Soccer dammit, not 'football'" |
| 23:19.30 | A1win | (except we call it football here so still no idea) |
| 23:20.44 | A1win | I was thinking earlier about an FPS game where when you shoot a bullet, if it's going to hit someone, the camera transforms into a side-view of the target and the bullet, and the bullet transforms into a tetris block and the target into a tetris-field, and you need to guide it |
| 23:20.58 | DeadZergling | so, speaking of what we call things |
| 23:21.30 | DeadZergling | what can I call a game that has small asteroid planets with gravity, and ships with weapons and abilities that are also affected by this gravity |
| 23:21.39 | A1win | hmm... |
| 23:21.44 | A1win | that's a tough one |
| 23:22.07 | DeadZergling | I still say Tellurium Blasters works :P |
| 23:22.33 | A1win | no ;p |
| 23:22.50 | DeadZergling | oh yea, well I'm gonna keep calling it that |
| 23:22.55 | DeadZergling | until you pick a name |
| 23:23.00 | A1win | sounds like blasters that shoot tellurium out of them, i.e. a name for a weapon |
| 23:23.06 | Bounty | Spaceship Shooter 3D |
| 23:23.14 | A1win | it's 2D |
| 23:23.15 | A1win | :P |
| 23:23.15 | DeadZergling | *2D |
| 23:23.17 | Bounty | Asteroid Edition |
| 23:23.19 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 23:23.22 | Bounty | but just put 3D |
| 23:23.25 | Bounty | so it sells better |
| 23:23.30 | Bounty | Like the movies |
| 23:23.31 | A1win | Spaceship Shooter 3D: 2D Edition |
| 23:23.46 | Bounty | and its technically still 3D |
| 23:23.54 | Bounty | Just 2D movement |
| 23:23.56 | Bounty | =P |
| 23:24.00 | Bounty | nucca |
| 23:24.05 | A1win | it has 3D graphics |
| 23:24.09 | A1win | everything else is 2D |
| 23:24.14 | Bounty | yeah |
| 23:24.27 | Bounty | Put it in the logo or something |
| 23:24.33 | Bounty | "Now with 3D Graphics!" |
| 23:24.36 | A1win | ;> |
| 23:24.54 | A1win | reminds me of Worms 3D |
| 23:24.58 | A1win | oh god that was horrible |
| 23:25.09 | Bounty | I was pumped for that game |
| 23:25.11 | DeadZergling | could add the ability to change your Z height |
| 23:25.12 | Bounty | Before it came out |
| 23:25.13 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:25.17 | DeadZergling | then it'd really be 3d |
| 23:25.29 | DeadZergling | and really damn annoying and confusing to play too |
| 23:25.34 | A1win | ;p |
| 23:26.15 | DeadZergling | I'd like to see someone come out with a fun game that is 1d |
| 23:26.26 | DeadZergling | all I can think of is number line countems, lol |
| 23:26.37 | A1win | can it have 2D graphics? :P |
| 23:26.48 | A1win | or how are you supposed to see anything that is 1D |
| 23:27.10 | DeadZergling | not really sure, but I'm still allowed to want to see it, lol |
| 23:27.16 | A1win | point'n'click adventures can be 1D in a sense |
| 23:27.32 | A1win | sidescroller without jumping ;p |
| 23:27.54 | DeadZergling | yes, but you forgot my other condition |
| 23:27.55 | DeadZergling | 'fun' |
| 23:28.17 | A1win | really depends on what part of it needs to be 1D |
| 23:28.56 | A1win | like if you can have a complicated 2D UI, an inventory for example, it could easily be a fun 1D game otherwise |
| 23:29.48 | DeadZergling | again, 'fun' |
| 23:29.49 | A1win | err, otherwise is not the correct word I guess ;p |
| 23:30.14 | DeadZergling | hey kids, who wants to play a game of organize the inventory! |
| 23:30.29 | grim001 | I wonder about a reasonable estimate for the number of non-procedually-generated sprites in the typical pixel indie game |
| 23:30.30 | A1win | I didn't say just an inventory :P |
| 23:31.01 | A1win | I made a text adventure once that was about walking in a straight corridor and fighting one monster after another |
| 23:31.12 | A1win | so like a 1D hack'n'slash |
| 23:31.42 | A1win | that was in 1999 or so, so it probably isn't very fun by today's standards :P |
| 23:32.09 | DeadZergling | probably not, our standards are too high now |
| 23:32.11 | A1win | (you could play it by holding down '1', which was "attack") |
| 23:32.19 | DeadZergling | I remember playing BBS games obsessively |
| 23:33.27 | DeadZergling | granted, the funner ones tended to have an ascii world map |
| 23:33.47 | DeadZergling | Legend of the Red Dragon was essentially a 1D hack'n'slash |
| 23:34.29 | A1win | (the other option was '2': "flee") |
| 23:34.29 | DeadZergling | went to the forest to find monsters, got so many turns a day, could do that, go to the bar to try to seduce the prostitute or woman there or whatever |
| 23:34.42 | DeadZergling | or the weapon/armor shop if you had the gold |
| 23:36.12 | DeadZergling | granted, doing battle as a mighty character that SOMEWHAT looks like a dude and firing | or - at a guy |
| 23:36.19 | DeadZergling | was the step up, lol |
| 23:36.37 | DeadZergling | and by character, I mean a single ascii character |
| 23:36.49 | JademusSreg | grim, super fun idea: use voxel assets, sample angles to generate sprites. =D |
| 23:38.04 | DeadZergling | oh well, do let us know when you rename Tellurium Blasters |
| 23:39.29 | JademusSreg | Tall Urea Bladders. |
| 23:41.39 | JademusSreg | Tell You're A, Um, Bastards |
| 23:46.00 | DeadZergling | Jay Da Mouse |
| 23:52.40 | DeadZergling | sheesh, need to get another drink or two, nasty ass tofu |
