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| 01:18.26 | Bommes|2 | http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=93088563 I think this might be the worst thing I have ever seen in my life |
| 01:18.51 | Bommes|2 | a game out of the well known "FPSHSC" genre |
| 01:19.11 | JademusSreg | Whaddafunk? |
| 01:19.40 | Bommes|2 | http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=141502983 lol this whole profile is gold |
| 01:21.13 | ArcanePariah | W |
| 01:21.15 | ArcanePariah | T |
| 01:21.16 | ArcanePariah | F |
| 01:21.18 | ArcanePariah | ? |
| 01:21.34 | ArcanePariah | The designer of that MUST be on LSD |
| 01:21.43 | ArcanePariah | No other rational explaination |
| 01:23.09 | Bommes|2 | "Dudefish Episode 1" |
| 01:23.11 | Bommes|2 | :O |
| 01:26.04 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg, interestingly enough, there is a Game Region actor, which... is weird, but makes sense |
| 01:30.08 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 01:30.13 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 01:31.15 | ArcanePariah | In the few usages in the editor, it appears to be created and then used to control the creation of sound emitters, like the Wall of Fire Sound from the Supernova mission (You hear it when you move the camara near it, but then it stops playing when you move away) |
| 01:38.03 | ArcanePariah | When writing a tutorial, should one include tooltips or assume a person can view them by themself? |
| 01:39.57 | JademusSreg | Hyperlinks for the terms as they are introduced. |
| 01:40.26 | ArcanePariah | Well, I meant tooltips as in the editor tooltips |
| 01:40.29 | ArcanePariah | Should I copy paste those verbatim? |
| 01:40.43 | JademusSreg | Yeah, as I recall you mentioned adding the tooltips to the wiki. =D |
| 01:40.58 | ArcanePariah | Or is it enough to say, here's this drop down menu, hover over it, and it will tell you what each option does? |
| 01:41.18 | ArcanePariah | True, I could link to the Wiki, but I'm doing the tutorial now, wiki later :D |
| 01:42.09 | JademusSreg | In that case, try a link with no target and title text value of the tooltip until the wiki content is filled in. |
| 01:42.20 | ArcanePariah | Alrighty |
| 01:42.40 | ArcanePariah | Definitely going to take some time to fully explain this :D |
| 01:43.44 | ArcanePariah | Then again, Region/Query/Response Query is fairly high level, even Blizzard used them with limited amounts |
| 01:43.50 | ArcanePariah | And I can sort of see why |
| 01:44.32 | ArcanePariah | Instead of doing queries, you often have search effects that then do something, and you can then key the actor creation to that effect being done on the units found |
| 01:44.49 | ArcanePariah | Queries/REgions are only necessary if you want to interact with actors that are not units |
| 01:45.23 | ArcanePariah | Or when you want to interact with a unit actor when an effect/behavior is not being used |
| 01:45.43 | ArcanePariah | Main one being targeting of AoEs, that's a circle region actor with a ScopeBearing Site OP |
| 01:47.20 | JademusSreg | Yar, or if you're making a pictionary map and need, say, an erase tool. |
| 01:48.08 | ArcanePariah | Yeah |
| 01:49.32 | ArcanePariah | Also, I now understand the key difference between Quad and Region Actors. A quad is visual, a region is for referencing/queries and is invisible |
| 01:49.39 | JademusSreg | One of my favorite obscure actor types is Camera. I enjoy the Light actors more, but Camera wins obscurity. (Well, List probably beats them both, given how little people seem to use it.) |
| 01:49.50 | ArcanePariah | List, no kidding |
| 01:50.08 | JademusSreg | Right up there with Curve. |
| 01:50.12 | JademusSreg | And Transition. |
| 01:50.20 | ArcanePariah | Well... I dunno, Region/Querey Response might be as well, since they are not intuitive on how it fits together |
| 01:50.59 | ArcanePariah | Though they are basically the equilvalent of a search area effect, just for actors |
| 01:51.21 | ArcanePariah | And the Query Response is the effect that is applied to the search area efffect results |
| 01:52.42 | ArcanePariah | Crap, just realized I know need to add details about another Actor field, the Add to Proximity System field controls if an actor can be found by a query at all |
| 01:52.51 | JademusSreg | At least they aim for symmetry. |
| 01:53.35 | ArcanePariah | Funny enough, actors can do a variety of shapes for queries, yet effects can only do circles/arcs, though Tyrran did say they are planning on adding rectangle search effects (2.2 maybe?) |
| 01:54.10 | ArcanePariah | And there are fields in Region Actors to let them sync their region to a search effect |
| 01:54.55 | JademusSreg | Maybe someday they'll update the Region API to support "diamond" shapes, that have been available in the terrain editor for a fuckofawhile. |
| 01:55.08 | JademusSreg | Or better yet, arbitrary shapes. |
| 01:55.23 | JademusSreg | And arbitrary rotations. =\ |
| 01:55.34 | ArcanePariah | Are talking data or triggers? |
| 01:55.57 | ArcanePariah | Because arbitrary shapes can be defined in the terrain already |
| 01:56.02 | JademusSreg | Code tangent. |
| 01:56.14 | JademusSreg | Region API doesn't support diamond. |
| 01:56.49 | ArcanePariah | So if I create a Diamond shaped region in terrain, I can not use it as a value where Region value is expected in triggers? |
| 01:57.24 | JademusSreg | No, you can. =D |
| 01:57.55 | JademusSreg | Doesn't support -creating- diamond shapes for regions. Unless you copy shit from other regions, haha. |
| 01:57.59 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so... what is the issue again? You mean triggers can not create diamond shaped regions? |
| 01:58.05 | ArcanePariah | Ok |
| 01:58.24 | JademusSreg | It's just incongruous, haha. |
| 01:58.40 | ArcanePariah | And umm... arbitrary rotations logicall must come first, because a diamond is simply a arbitrarly rotated rectangle/square |
| 01:58.47 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 01:59.08 | ArcanePariah | Though that isn't entirely correct, one could have other trapazoidal diamonds |
| 01:59.51 | ArcanePariah | Probably boils down to complexity, a circle is the easiest shape to define mathematically |
| 02:00.02 | ArcanePariah | just need radius and angle of rotation |
| 02:01.31 | JademusSreg | Not a far leap from a shape matrix to a transformation matrix of rotational, translational and such vectors. |
| 02:02.27 | ArcanePariah | True, but also a circle is the easiest to be valid since it relies on a single point to create |
| 02:02.56 | JademusSreg | (Not that I use regions much as it is. Would sure be nice, though.) |
| 02:03.11 | ArcanePariah | All other shapes, you have to check if all the vertexes are in game bounds, if they are not, leads to an ambiguous situation (use an invalid point? Fail to create the region?) |
| 02:04.25 | ArcanePariah | Wheras for a circle, all you have to check is distance from center < radius and angle from center of circle to target < angle of defined circle (for arcs) |
| 02:04.57 | ArcanePariah | I think given how the game throws an error if presented with an invalid point, rectangle regions will probably never be added |
| 02:05.03 | JademusSreg | Which reminds me that points can have values which are not within the game world bounds. Handy, because it allowed me to use points in the bezier curve function. |
| 02:05.34 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:05.37 | ArcanePariah | Yes, but if you use said points for anything, it pukes (like use said poiunt as the center of a circle region or a spawn point) |
| 02:05.44 | JademusSreg | No doubt, haha. |
| 02:06.57 | ArcanePariah | To make the game handle rectangles, you would need to let all point values (which is really just 2 fixeds) be allowed (internally) a value 2x the largest (external) value |
| 02:07.20 | ArcanePariah | Such that it would NOT throw errors (internally) for being presented with a points outside the game boundaries |
| 02:08.05 | ArcanePariah | And make it so only as a rectangle vertex can use outside values (which makes using vertexes for a rectangle another data type) |
| 02:08.25 | ArcanePariah | Or am I totally just wrong? :D |
| 02:10.48 | JademusSreg | Not wrong, haha, but I'd say it's not the only solution. |
| 02:11.23 | ArcanePariah | True, that was off the top of my head, there is almost certainly a more elegant/efficient approach |
| 02:14.05 | JademusSreg | Since it throws those errors more out of a fail-fast approach than an inability for the engine to process the bad input, I figure the errors function to help people make less-terribad code and improve their programmatic logic. |
| 02:15.13 | ArcanePariah | I've been thinking about that actually, do you foresee at any point in the near future, any form of economic/legal/other pressure for developers to produce more effective/working code? |
| 02:15.37 | JademusSreg | The engine could just eat those errors effectively as a Java catch (Throwable t) { /* do shit all */ } |
| 02:15.41 | ArcanePariah | Because the current mentality leads to a whole lot of code being shipped with little review, testing or improvement |
| 02:15.50 | JademusSreg | We're better off in most cases it doesn't, haha. |
| 02:16.12 | JademusSreg | Ah, hm. |
| 02:17.20 | ArcanePariah | From what I've read, it has become almost entirely accepted that the launch version of most software is going to be awful (Diablo 3, Rome 2 TW, Simcity 5, GTA 5, Windows 8, Windows Vista, etc.) |
| 02:17.47 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of the Foundation series. |
| 02:18.11 | Ahli | I can add a german football manager game to that :D biggest letdown so far |
| 02:18.38 | ArcanePariah | Not to mention most "Enterprise" software (SAP, Oracle) |
| 02:19.17 | ArcanePariah | Will we reach a point where the lack of anything approaching standards for coding will become cost prohibitive? |
| 02:20.11 | ArcanePariah | Or do we just keep going on the merry go round of letting users be testers, better hardware compensate for inefficient code and "Ship Now, Patch Later"? |
| 02:21.36 | ArcanePariah | As a counterpoint to my own question, I once heard that someone at Adobe or Microsoft was interviewed on the code quality, and the developer stated that although they COULD make the code clean/effective/stable/bug (mostly) free, it would take easily 2- 3 times longer and they would have to sell it at about 5 figures per copy |
| 02:22.01 | JademusSreg | Anyway, it often takes a life-obliterating, outrage-inducing singular catastrophic spectacle (not unlike the resonance cascade in Half-Life) to foster an attitude of responsibility. I admit, a bit hyperbolic, but science as an institution built its ethics in response to its abuses. |
| 02:23.06 | ArcanePariah | So... the software industry needs a Titanic to occur first? |
| 02:23.59 | JademusSreg | Until some software engineers can be blamed for something reflexively, viscerally heinous, programming ethics won't a A Thing. |
| 02:24.15 | JademusSreg | Not in an institutional sense, that is. |
| 02:24.21 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... maybe, although (perhaps due to foresigh maybe?) most software that is used in systems that can kill if malfucntioning are massively vetted and checked (Flight traffic control, power control, etc.) |
| 02:24.32 | ArcanePariah | And the rest... not so much |
| 02:26.24 | ArcanePariah | And yes, I agree, until something very bad happens, software will remain in limbo between an art and an engineering discipline with the constraints of neither |
| 02:26.38 | ArcanePariah | And thus, to be blunt, a clusterfuck |
| 02:27.23 | JademusSreg | Anathem. Huge, slow novel, but stimulating. |
| 02:27.28 | JademusSreg | Seems relevant. |
| 02:27.29 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 02:30.35 | ArcanePariah | Ahli, did List Actors help you by any chance? |
| 02:34.34 | JademusSreg | Brak. |
| 02:34.41 | ArcanePariah | Welcome Brak |
| 02:34.44 | ArcanePariah | XD |
| 02:34.49 | Ahli | didn't check them out, yet |
| 02:34.55 | JademusSreg | And welcome Zorakk. |
| 02:35.31 | Ahli | I think I will be busy tinkering with buggy software we have to use for the next 2 days :X |
| 02:36.14 | JademusSreg | Innsmouth Parish: "Newcomers attending Innsmouth's decennial Umbral Faire discover the eclipse celebration abandoned, the town silent and shrouded. They congregate inside the parish chapel, arguing over what happened, and what happens next." |
| 02:36.17 | Ahli | workflow modelling software... +1 manager fired |
| 02:36.32 | ArcanePariah | lol |
| 02:44.40 | JademusSreg | Asset Workflow Productivity Optimization Modeler recommendations: "Prohibit all disruptive or otherwise enjoyable activities. Actively invalidate dreams and aspirations. Mandate uniforms of uncomfortable texture; permit purchase of 'no-uniform- passes. Offer to install colostomy bags." |
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| 03:59.56 | Deathbringer | What was the function called that you could give a unit to another player? |
| 04:01.53 | Deathbringer | Anyone here to assist me? |
| 04:01.56 | Deathbringer | Kueken |
| 04:02.05 | Deathbringer | ArcanePariah |
| 04:02.28 | Kueken | OWNERSHIP SOMETHING |
| 04:02.29 | JademusSreg | native void UnitSetOwner (unit inUnit, int inPlayer, bool inChangeColor); |
| 04:02.32 | Kueken | caps |
| 04:02.35 | Kueken | :D |
| 04:02.39 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 04:02.53 | Kueken | mine was loud, yours was precise |
| 04:03.15 | Kueken | guess which one is more memorable |
| 04:03.23 | JademusSreg | Both equally useless, I expect. Which is The Best. |
| 04:05.15 | Deathbringer | Can I use Kicking Player = (Integer((Word 2 of (Entered chat string)))) <Integer> |
| 04:05.33 | Deathbringer | So then they put "-Give 4" |
| 04:05.39 | Deathbringer | And it gives it to the player? |
| 04:06.06 | Deathbringer | Kueken |
| 04:06.41 | Deathbringer | Hello? |
| 04:07.17 | Deathbringer | JademusSreg |
| 04:08.12 | Kueken | try it |
| 04:08.20 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 04:08.24 | Kueken | should certainly be possible |
| 04:08.42 | JademusSreg | Testing it will show if it works. |
| 04:08.59 | Deathbringer | Okay. |
| 04:10.53 | JademusSreg | Curious, is this for multiplayer or just for your testing in single player? |
| 04:11.04 | Deathbringer | Multi |
| 04:12.52 | Kueken | there are probably cheats to do the same thing in test mode |
| 04:15.07 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 04:15.13 | ArcanePariah | You can make a unit for any player |
| 04:15.28 | ArcanePariah | Simply type makeunit unittype numberfunits player |
| 04:15.37 | ArcanePariah | So makeunit marine 1 14 |
| 04:15.45 | ArcanePariah | will make 1 marine for player 14 |
| 04:20.01 | JademusSreg | Motive. |
| 04:20.03 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 04:20.20 | motive | :D |
| 04:20.37 | JademusSreg | I expect you're making a Cortex Engine extension mod for PTR 2.1? |
| 04:20.44 | motive | There's a PTR? |
| 04:20.50 | motive | Sweet, that's something to do. |
| 04:20.50 | motive | LOL |
| 04:21.15 | motive | I'm getting snowed in and my car is unfortunately in Washington, DC, so I could use a little project to work on |
| 04:22.32 | JademusSreg | Apparently Patch 2.1 will introduce extension mods; mods that players may apply to custom games. |
| 04:22.42 | motive | Intruiging :D |
| 04:23.18 | JademusSreg | Made a simple, half-assed tiberium mod. =D |
| 04:23.29 | JademusSreg | I figure Cortex is a perfect fit. |
| 04:23.29 | motive | How do I access the PTR map editor to see what's changed? |
| 04:23.48 | JademusSreg | Ah, the official Battle.net client. |
| 04:24.30 | JademusSreg | As for the editor, it has moar tooltips for actor shit. |
| 04:24.46 | JademusSreg | Which is great for new users. |
| 04:25.33 | JademusSreg | I'm attempting to see if I can get the client to load custom shaders from a map. So far, no dice. |
| 04:25.52 | motive | I haven't worked on SC2 in ages |
| 04:28.04 | motive | This should be exciting! |
| 04:29.36 | ArcanePariah | Is there anywhere in the US it isn't cold... |
| 04:29.41 | nooblark | south |
| 04:29.45 | motive | It's not really cold, it's just snowing |
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| 04:29.50 | motive | It's still 28 degrees |
| 04:30.07 | motive | Sorry, 30! :D |
| 04:30.29 | ArcanePariah | Southern California here, near freezing, which is not cool :/ |
| 04:30.42 | nooblark | motive, you're near trenton, right? |
| 04:30.47 | motive | yus |
| 04:31.04 | nooblark | damn weather forcasters around us suck |
| 04:31.19 | motive | lol arcane |
| 04:31.24 | motive | it's 54 degrees right now in san diego |
| 04:31.24 | nooblark | they called for a coating to 1", we get like 4, and the roads were a disaster from lack of preparation |
| 04:31.30 | motive | near freezing... |
| 04:31.31 | motive | hahaha |
| 04:31.49 | ArcanePariah | 47 where i'm at, and yes, i'm spoiled, I live in paradise dammit, not supposed to get this cold... |
| 04:32.01 | motive | my colleague over there doesn't even own a jacket |
| 04:32.05 | motive | he doesn't understand the concept of cold |
| 04:45.08 | JademusSreg | Damn. Didn't get any of the shaders to load. |
| 04:45.24 | JademusSreg | Or the constants I modified did jack shit. =D |
| 04:47.19 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
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| 05:32.50 | DeadZergling | anyone know of a more up to date mover tutorial, current ones throw errors left and right |
| 05:33.56 | DeadZergling | thought it was me, then loaded up the 'example map', had even more errors than the one I did, lol |
| 05:35.36 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 05:35.56 | JademusSreg | Wat's the problem? |
| 05:36.20 | DeadZergling | wasn't happy with the outros I believe |
| 05:36.35 | DeadZergling | how you decide a missile acts X way for Y time, then next phase, etc |
| 05:37.35 | DeadZergling | ill run the map here in a few mins, tell you the exact message |
| 05:37.36 | JademusSreg | Ah, what sort of value do you think Outro represents? |
| 05:38.34 | DeadZergling | im assuming it is second values you put in |
| 05:39.18 | JademusSreg | Hint: it's not time. |
| 05:40.28 | DeadZergling | Probably part of the issue then, anyways, followed the thing exactly, map still wasn't happy |
| 05:41.55 | DeadZergling | heh, is lying then, it certainly makes outro sound like length of the phase in http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/4855-data-customized-movers-advanced-difficulty/ |
| 05:42.57 | JademusSreg | Length? Yes. Distance, specifically. |
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| 05:43.42 | Bounty | Pew |
| 05:44.13 | JademusSreg | Deadz: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/game/maps-and-mods/tutorials/missile-movers/ |
| 05:44.38 | JademusSreg | Find outro. Ctrl F, and you're at Phase Transitions and Blending. |
| 05:44.44 | JademusSreg | Hi thar Bounty. |
| 05:44.52 | Bounty | Herro |
| 05:45.12 | JademusSreg | "An outro ends a phase by passing a "distance traveled" threshold relative to the source or "distance remaining" threshold relative to the target. Source-relative outros are positive and target-relative outros are negative." |
| 05:45.15 | DeadZergling | yea, the really long, 0 practice example tutorial |
| 05:45.28 | DeadZergling | is really awful to put into practice for me I'm afraid |
| 05:46.20 | DeadZergling | okay, well that kind of helps, I'm not sure I can use a revolver for what I was trying to do though |
| 05:46.33 | DeadZergling | since it doesn't seem like you can turn the darn thing off |
| 05:47.45 | JademusSreg | Revolver is great for erratic missiles, such as for dota Goblin Tinker or SC1 Valkyrie. |
| 05:48.15 | DeadZergling | thinking i'll need a combination of static parabolas, guidance, and missile direction changes to acquire what i'm trying to do |
| 05:48.39 | DeadZergling | I don't want it erratic the whole time, I just want it to circle backwards once |
| 05:51.22 | Bounty | FMl |
| 05:51.28 | Bounty | my steam account is worth $2977.17 |
| 05:51.31 | Bounty | wtf |
| 05:51.36 | JademusSreg | Congrats. |
| 05:51.41 | Bounty | not good |
| 05:51.42 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:51.54 | Bounty | Friggin sales |
| 05:52.35 | Bounty | Hopefully one day they allow you to sell or trade games you never installed/played |
| 05:54.03 | DeadZergling | anyways, not trying to argue JademusSreg, just trying to understand |
| 05:54.11 | DeadZergling | and Hi btw Bounty |
| 05:54.22 | Bounty | Hello Dead |
| 05:54.23 | JademusSreg | Wasn't aware of any argument. |
| 05:54.52 | Bounty | Has Valve ever hinted at allowing what I said though? |
| 05:54.54 | DeadZergling | well I felt like I was being more disagreeable than usual, lol |
| 05:54.54 | Bounty | Would be nice |
| 05:55.19 | DeadZergling | well okay, outro is length as in unit length |
| 05:55.39 | DeadZergling | do you know what values to give it for it to work for the life of the missile? |
| 05:58.00 | Bounty | I wonder if anyone makes a living selling TF2 items lol |
| 05:58.13 | Bounty | Some of these prices are insane, and people buy them |
| 06:02.52 | JademusSreg | Cell length distance, haha. |
| 06:04.15 | JademusSreg | Deadz, not sure what you're asking. |
| 06:07.20 | DeadZergling | if I want a phase to work the entire time the missile is working |
| 06:07.25 | DeadZergling | what should the outro values be? |
| 06:09.04 | JademusSreg | Well, you could use a single driver, or inherit from Missile Default, which uses two drivers, and the outro in that case ensures it hits the target. |
| 06:14.23 | JademusSreg | In the case of Missile Default, the outro is -1, so the guidance driver stops and the none driver provides MAX yawpitchroll once it is within 1 range of the target. |
| 06:15.34 | JademusSreg | This ensures it doesn't overshoot because it will turn near-instantly. |
| 06:58.48 | DeadZergling | well for now, screw movers, never gonna get anything done at this rate |
| 07:00.01 | DeadZergling | I'll revisit them later |
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| 07:09.37 | ArcanePariah | I spy... a thing that goes quack |
| 07:10.15 | duckies | goes quack |
| 07:11.06 | duckies | anything new over this past weekend? :D |
| 07:11.33 | ArcanePariah | Working a tutorial for Region Actors and Query Response Actors and how they go together |
| 07:11.34 | JademusSreg | Doing all the awesome things with stuff at the place. |
| 07:11.52 | ArcanePariah | Oh yes, JademusSreg being the usual |
| 07:12.19 | DeadZergling | Will this tutorial include a section on why it is useful to know these things? |
| 07:12.34 | JademusSreg | Published an extension mod for Tiberium. Disappointed only one extension mod may be selected by the player. |
| 07:12.54 | ArcanePariah | DeadZergling yes |
| 07:13.16 | DeadZergling | that's good, cause I read it and was just kind of, why the fuck would I ever need that, lol |
| 07:14.03 | ArcanePariah | Well a simple example of it in actions is how nuke burns all trees in the impact area |
| 07:14.29 | ArcanePariah | Another common one is how the aoe targeting thing places the circles over targets in the aoe |
| 07:14.34 | duckies | ooh, a modern tutorial on something-actors, nice. Make sure to include pictures! |
| 07:14.46 | ArcanePariah | Will do |
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| 07:15.46 | duckies | :o circles over things and not under them! that I observed, wil be cool to finally have it right |
| 07:18.20 | ArcanePariah | In terms of usage, one could make it so all doodads or units around a given unit change color, a very simple example |
| 07:18.30 | ArcanePariah | Without having to use effects |
| 07:19.01 | ArcanePariah | Or have a doodad make all units that come near it become brighter or grow in size, or w/e |
| 07:19.28 | duckies | so........ |
| 07:19.35 | duckies | anyone know what's up with that? http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/60051-sincerest-expression/#p1 |
| 07:20.59 | ArcanePariah | Off the top of my head, sounds like a parody of taintedwisp? |
| 07:22.20 | G0A | for a moment I thought its Stewox confessing that he is retarded |
| 07:22.27 | duckies | =D |
| 07:22.39 | JademusSreg | Who? What? |
| 07:23.18 | Kueken | just a plot to get more exposure, I guess :D |
| 07:23.21 | G0A | anyway I dont know what its about, I didnt known anything bad about Trieva. |
| 07:23.27 | DeadZergling | thought we already agreed Stewox is too ignorant to know how stupid he sounds |
| 07:25.29 | G0A | well 2 days ago he had very different opinion about his map: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/59935-its-arcade-night-play-with-the-blues-chanman-v-huk/#p5 |
| 07:25.32 | duckies | all I know about him is that he was really pushing to get his map played. Maybe he tried to push it on someone who didn't like it and was pretty vocal about it? Though that wanting project to die bit is lacking any sense or sincirety >.> |
| 07:26.43 | duckies | eh, maybe he's just embarassed-like-a-little-kid, thah would work |
| 07:27.12 | DeadZergling | dunno, the apology seems almost sarcastic |
| 07:27.20 | DeadZergling | I don't care how big of ass I perceive myself to be |
| 07:27.28 | DeadZergling | I do not wish for my hard work to get deleted. |
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| 07:28.12 | ScrinKing | I have a question |
| 07:28.18 | ScrinKing | Why is their no |
| 07:28.20 | duckies | why did he had to make that 3rd paragraph, makes me feel bloody confused |
| 07:28.21 | ScrinKing | "SEA" |
| 07:28.32 | ScrinKing | region in the profile options |
| 07:29.09 | JademusSreg | Dunno. =D |
| 07:29.19 | duckies | which profile options where, king? |
| 07:29.20 | ArcanePariah | It was merged |
| 07:29.24 | ScrinKing | Sure, add all the regions except Aisa/Pacific |
| 07:29.25 | ScrinKing | Okay |
| 07:29.43 | ArcanePariah | It is now Americas and Southeast Pacfic |
| 07:29.46 | ScrinKing | Battle.net name |
| 07:30.49 | ScrinKing | No it isn't |
| 07:31.09 | ScrinKing | Unless it was merged 5 minutes ago |
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| 07:31.37 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, appears seperate for me now, weird |
| 07:31.54 | ScrinKing | It's still South East Aisa |
| 07:31.59 | ArcanePariah | Oh, i was ptr, my bad |
| 07:32.02 | ArcanePariah | lol |
| 07:32.31 | ScrinKing | oh they merged it? |
| 07:32.35 | ScrinKing | or is it ptr only region? |
| 07:33.02 | ArcanePariah | Welp let me double check, I thought I saw it like that, but I guess I was mistaken |
| 07:33.09 | ArcanePariah | Weird |
| 07:33.18 | ScrinKing | Because they'd have ehadache with usernames and achievements |
| 07:33.41 | ScrinKing | And also every Australiasian ever will be complaning about crappy server connections |
| 07:34.01 | ArcanePariah | Oh, now I see wher I saw it, when you login using the Desktop App, it has Americans And Southeaset Asia |
| 07:34.17 | ArcanePariah | It now has that, Europe, Asia and China |
| 07:34.38 | ArcanePariah | Which makes sense, WoW is separate servers in China |
| 07:35.00 | ScrinKing | I see |
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| 08:38.54 | JademusSreg | Bah, it's a shame when the assets are insufficient. |
| 08:40.23 | JademusSreg | absconds. |
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| 09:31.22 | kingTD | Zolden what u bringing us this morning? |
| 09:32.50 | Zolden | fuck and destroynment I bring today |
| 09:34.37 | DeadZergling | same as every morning then? |
| 09:35.37 | Zolden | tell me, what's realy hard to do |
| 09:36.43 | DeadZergling | judging from the delay, ninja katana/kunai knife |
| 09:37.54 | DeadZergling | building hp/shielding scaling w/ player count seems to be pretty tough too if we going by delays only |
| 09:39.37 | Zolden | why are these things hard? |
| 09:39.56 | DeadZergling | Not sure, just saying they must be, seeing as they have taken so long |
| 09:40.28 | G0A | Zolden sort and sync 10000 players elo at the start of your map and saved them into bank |
| 09:41.41 | Zolden | true, and that's the reason i'm waiting for server bank |
| 09:42.00 | Zolden | DeadZergling maybe u find wow weapon close to waht you wanwt? |
| 09:42.06 | Zolden | it's realy faster |
| 09:42.19 | DeadZergling | I looked at all of them, nothing matched |
| 09:42.25 | DeadZergling | at least of what was available in assets |
| 09:43.32 | DeadZergling | is cool if you don't have time, was just wondering :) |
| 09:53.31 | G0A | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/60051-sincerest-expression/#p5 |
| 09:54.22 | DeadZergling | simply fantastic that the moron who decided apologise was unusable instead of apologize got a like out of it. |
| 09:55.03 | DeadZergling | can't encourage the grammar nazis |
| 09:56.16 | duckies | "I apologise, but I hope nobody takes my apology sireosly", "I hope my map dies, but not really" .. |
| 09:56.36 | duckies | *seriously |
| 09:56.50 | ArcanePariah | Ok.... that's trippy... |
| 09:57.11 | ArcanePariah | Meanwhile... G0A, your problem is easy :D |
| 09:59.23 | ArcanePariah | Does the almighty duck have anything interesting for us to solve today? |
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| 09:59.44 | ArcanePariah | wonders why he thinks a duck is almighty... |
| 10:00.40 | DeadZergling | About the same reason you think yourself to have arcane powers, or to be a pariah? |
| 10:00.58 | ArcanePariah | Probably |
| 10:01.37 | DeadZergling | meanwhile, ability making is really easy if I don't have to think about movers, lol |
| 10:01.40 | duckies | is rides the wave of excitement caused by winter and silently mapmakes |
| 10:01.46 | duckies | god damnit |
| 10:02.06 | DeadZergling | no no duckies, you is talking the good tonight |
| 10:02.08 | duckies | silly "is" why have you sneaked in ther D: |
| 10:02.13 | DeadZergling | is making the perfects senses |
| 10:02.13 | ArcanePariah | Hehe |
| 10:02.24 | ArcanePariah | is makes good speller |
| 10:02.26 | ArcanePariah | XD |
| 10:02.57 | DeadZergling | don't is be ashamed of using is accidentally sometimes |
| 10:03.05 | DeadZergling | it is is perfectly okay |
| 10:03.15 | ArcanePariah | So what kind of pictures should I put in my tutorial? Pictures of the fields in the editor? Pictures of the stuff in game? |
| 10:03.24 | ArcanePariah | Both? |
| 10:03.33 | DeadZergling | both, aye |
| 10:04.02 | DeadZergling | I'd probably go something like, do this and this and this |
| 10:04.06 | DeadZergling | it should look like this |
| 10:04.10 | duckies | pictures demonstrating the end result so that I know what I'm gonna learn are good |
| 10:04.13 | ArcanePariah | kk, although, the thing that makes what I'm doing so hard I think is because there is no real in game depiction, the Region actors themselves not visible |
| 10:04.14 | DeadZergling | then move on, etc etc |
| 10:04.45 | ArcanePariah | Many of the more powerful actors have no visability, they are constructs to control other actors |
| 10:05.01 | ArcanePariah | Like Actor Macros, List Actors, Region Actors, etc, |
| 10:06.10 | DeadZergling | the mysterious host of a base actor, lol |
| 10:06.13 | duckies | you could always go "see this amazing thing, usually you would do such and such to make it happen, but the truth is you can do it in a much simplier/elegant way using this and this (that's what the tutorial is about)" |
| 10:06.32 | ArcanePariah | Well in this case, this lets you do stuff you can't do otherwise |
| 10:06.49 | ArcanePariah | Which I guess is even more amazing :D |
| 10:06.56 | DeadZergling | I'd just do it how you think it will look best, ArcanePariah |
| 10:07.09 | DeadZergling | those who try to follow it will quickly tell you what isn't understandable |
| 10:07.27 | ArcanePariah | I will, however a key aspect of any communication is knowing your audience, in this case, you peoples :D |
| 10:07.37 | duckies | besides, you can always drop preview version here, so that we can tell you what sucks |
| 10:07.48 | ArcanePariah | So I'm asking what you are looking for out of a tutorial |
| 10:07.54 | DeadZergling | right, just I have a tough time criticizing stuff that doesn't exist yet |
| 10:07.58 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 10:08.08 | duckies | the reason why to use it |
| 10:08.23 | ArcanePariah | Hence I'm being vague and asking general questions (Pictures or not) |
| 10:08.31 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so I need an objective of sorts |
| 10:08.35 | ArcanePariah | To show why this is needed |
| 10:08.38 | ArcanePariah | or useful |
| 10:08.48 | DeadZergling | yea, like I was saying earlier :) |
| 10:08.59 | duckies | just tell us what can be done with it, a concrete example so that we can relate and be interested |
| 10:09.17 | DeadZergling | [23:12] <DeadZergling> Will this tutorial include a section on why it is useful to know these things? |
| 10:09.21 | duckies | otherwise I'd be like "oh no, data fields, learning new stuff is bad, "close"" |
| 10:09.34 | duckies | aaaaaaaaaand I'm gone |
| 10:09.43 | duckies | afk |
| 10:09.53 | DeadZergling | close, don't you mean, duckies is going the afks? |
| 10:12.18 | ArcanePariah | Ok here's my overview |
| 10:12.19 | ArcanePariah | Normally one uses Effects and Behaviors to alter the appearance or do other actor related things (Change unit colors, size, start animations, etc.). However, Doodads and other non Unit Actors can not be subject to effects or behaviors, so how does one go about sending actor messages to them? A simple example of this is in action is the Nuke. How does it make the trees light on fire, if they... |
| 10:12.21 | ArcanePariah | ...are not units? With Region Actors, Query Messages and Query Response Actors, one can do this. |
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| 10:13.27 | DeadZergling | It's good, although do we want to use the word dynamically here? |
| 10:13.36 | ArcanePariah | Sure, where? |
| 10:13.46 | DeadZergling | dynamically alter |
| 10:13.54 | ArcanePariah | oh ok |
| 10:14.18 | DeadZergling | since one can change a doodad so it does something, but not so it responds to something so much |
| 10:14.22 | DeadZergling | does that make sense? |
| 10:14.34 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 10:15.05 | DeadZergling | You might also find a way to phrase that so you start with talking about changing Doodads dynamically |
| 10:15.16 | DeadZergling | so people can see the value right away, although the title should do that |
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| 10:25.41 | G0A | ArcanePariah why is my problem easy? and what is my problem?:) |
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| 10:25.58 | ArcanePariah | The sort 10000 elos at start of game |
| 10:26.15 | G0A | good luck with it:D |
| 10:26.30 | ArcanePariah | Just use quick sort |
| 10:26.44 | G0A | quick sort? |
| 10:27.03 | G0A | 's lazy ass should learn about sorting methoods |
| 10:27.18 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, its a sorting algo that is log N |
| 10:27.30 | DeadZergling | G0A is condemned to use Bubble Sorts |
| 10:27.34 | ArcanePariah | So for 10000 records it would take maybe less then half a second to sort |
| 10:27.46 | ArcanePariah | actually, n logn |
| 10:27.54 | Zolden | ArcanePariah it's n * log n |
| 10:28.03 | DeadZergling | he just said that ;P |
| 10:28.15 | ArcanePariah | also its log base 2 of 2 |
| 10:28.18 | ArcanePariah | of N |
| 10:28.29 | Zolden | right, i have to read all messages before answerimg |
| 10:29.03 | Zolden | like hitler when he didn't read all messages and declared a war, but the messages he didn't read contained an offer that would satisfy him |
| 10:29.35 | DeadZergling | Was the message, girls girls girls, all blonde, all blue eyes, all CC or higher boob size? |
| 10:29.45 | ArcanePariah | In any case G0A, a number of sorting algorithims are included in the editor, under the Library -> Builtin -> Templates |
| 10:29.56 | Zolden | it was moustache barbershop offer |
| 10:30.14 | Zolden | 50% price fof for moustache squarization |
| 10:30.48 | Zolden | ArcanePariah editor has quick sort in it? |
| 10:30.55 | Zolden | why mille said he had to implement it? |
| 10:31.19 | G0A | ArcanePariah hmm didnt know that |
| 10:31.34 | G0A | dam blizzards hiding algos from us |
| 10:31.50 | ArcanePariah | It's because they are templates, you will have to adjust them for the data type you are using |
| 10:32.04 | Zolden | even better |
| 10:33.44 | Zolden | what if I read from bank int or real i never wrote there? will it return 0? |
| 10:34.10 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, if yo view Library, open Built in, scroll all the way down, in the Template Folder, Under Algorithims, it has Bubble, Selection, Insertion and Quikc Sort |
| 10:35.01 | ArcanePariah | Zolden I would assume it would error out |
| 10:35.27 | Zolden | ArcanePariah then how would i check if bank has the entry? |
| 10:35.39 | ArcanePariah | Because there is an explicit action to check |
| 10:36.19 | ArcanePariah | You can check if a bank, key or section exists |
| 10:37.23 | G0A | dam I hate younger G0A who made buggy and unreadable code. |
| 10:37.31 | Zolden | where is that library you mentioned? |
| 10:37.38 | ArcanePariah | It's the built in one |
| 10:37.50 | Zolden | G0A get time machine and go punch him in advance |
| 10:38.19 | G0A | good idea |
| 10:38.55 | Zolden | built in? where? under actions? a variable? |
| 10:39.08 | ArcanePariah | Top Bar, View |
| 10:39.16 | ArcanePariah | Show Libraries |
| 10:39.44 | ArcanePariah | Another Panel should appear over your Triggers panel |
| 10:40.28 | ArcanePariah | Uggh, I'm probably not making much sense |
| 10:40.42 | ArcanePariah | In the menu bar with File, Edito, View, Data, etc. |
| 10:40.54 | ArcanePariah | In the View, select Show Libraries |
| 10:41.05 | DeadZergling | Use more is ArcanePariah, it will fix everything |
| 10:41.18 | ArcanePariah | lol |
| 10:41.25 | Zolden | omg, alot of libs |
| 10:41.50 | ArcanePariah | Yes, if you included all dependencies, you probably have Built In, Libery, Libery Story, Swarm, Swarm Story |
| 10:42.07 | ArcanePariah | Anyhow, open up Built-In |
| 10:42.13 | ArcanePariah | Scroll to the end |
| 10:42.19 | ArcanePariah | There is a folder called Templates |
| 10:42.27 | ArcanePariah | In it is another folder called Algorithims |
| 10:42.33 | ArcanePariah | Inside there is the algos |
| 10:43.31 | ArcanePariah | Also, another random feature you may want to use (if you are not using encryption on your bank) is the Bane Evaluate Condition function |
| 10:43.34 | ArcanePariah | Bank* |
| 10:44.11 | ArcanePariah | It allows you to define conditions in data for banks, so you don't have to load a bank, load the keys into memory/variables and then do operations/compariosions on them |
| 10:44.23 | ArcanePariah | You can just run the bank evaluation and it will handle it for you |
| 10:47.12 | Zolden | why is it better than loading banks?? |
| 10:50.14 | ArcanePariah | Because you A) Don't have to make variables just to do comparisons of bank data. Also Bank Conditions can be combined. Basically bank conditions are like validators for banks |
| 10:52.54 | ArcanePariah | In Blizzard's case, they used bank conditions through the HotS campaign to control what conversations you could have based on what missions you had completed, also controlled what evolution missions were available based on current ones completed. Also used to control what planets were displayed in the travel map area |
| 10:52.58 | Zolden | i don't know what's bank conditions and hwhat validator methaphor mean for banks |
| 10:53.30 | Zolden | oh, i see |
| 10:53.31 | ArcanePariah | Say you have a bank key that tells what mission a player is on (1, 2, 5, w/e) |
| 10:54.00 | ArcanePariah | Instead of starting the map, and loading the key into a integer variable, you can just directly compare that key and see if that condition is true or false |
| 10:54.21 | ArcanePariah | So say you want a certain dialog to popup on their 5th mission |
| 10:54.23 | Zolden | sounds good |
| 10:55.03 | ArcanePariah | They key thing is that you can adjust the condition in data, without touching the trigger code |
| 10:55.04 | G0A | it works with comparing different bank's keys too? |
| 10:55.30 | G0A | well it should |
| 10:55.33 | ArcanePariah | G0A, you mean Key 1 < Key 2 kind of comparisons? |
| 10:56.08 | G0A | compare player 1 bank key xxx to player 2 bank key xxx |
| 10:57.27 | ArcanePariah | Hmm, it appears not |
| 10:57.36 | ArcanePariah | For that you would have to use variables then |
| 10:57.48 | ArcanePariah | Since that is dyanmic |
| 10:57.52 | ArcanePariah | dynamic |
| 10:57.55 | Zolden | can we load other map's bank? |
| 10:58.22 | ArcanePariah | As in other banks from other maps you've published? yes |
| 10:58.22 | Zolden | for example to use achievement from map B in map A? |
| 10:58.35 | ArcanePariah | In the Bank Condition you specify the bank |
| 10:58.43 | ArcanePariah | So you could create 2 condtions, 1 for each bank |
| 10:58.46 | ArcanePariah | and then AND them |
| 10:58.59 | ArcanePariah | or OR them |
| 10:59.07 | ArcanePariah | just like validators can be combined |
| 10:59.07 | Zolden | lol |
| 10:59.12 | Zolden | and and them |
| 10:59.13 | Zolden | or or them |
| 10:59.20 | ArcanePariah | *facepalms* |
| 11:00.02 | ArcanePariah | So yeah, that's the other benefit, utilizing banks across maps, or multiple banks and evaulating stufff between them all |
| 11:00.25 | ArcanePariah | So you could do something like how Mass Effect worked, have stuff in Map B be affected by choices made in Map A |
| 11:02.59 | ArcanePariah | From my point of view, the largest advantage is the abstraction, say you wanted a certain tip/dialog to pop up on the 5th mission, and later decided you wanted it to show up the on the 3rd one. With banks conditions, I would just change 1 number in the condtion and I would be done |
| 11:03.18 | ArcanePariah | And never touch the trigger code again |
| 11:04.24 | ArcanePariah | I'mma call it a night, pretty late for me, hopefully this has been informative, hopefully I'll have a draft of the Region Actor tutorial up this week |
| 11:05.41 | DeadZergling | have to let us know AP, I can give it a whirl if I got time |
| 11:05.56 | Zolden | ArcanePariah thanks |
| 11:06.10 | ArcanePariah | NP, gnite :D |
| 11:06.40 | Zolden | what's "gnite"? |
| 11:06.47 | Zolden | oh, good night |
| 11:06.51 | Zolden | yea |
| 11:14.13 | kingTD | ignite! |
| 11:15.26 | Zolden | pignite |
| 11:18.10 | DeadZergling | there I go again, had a perfectly working ability, and I have to go and think of ways to make it more complicated. |
| 11:20.12 | duckies | yes, make everything complicated, also, don't comment, you from the future gonna love that :D |
| 11:21.35 | duckies | also, no more preview videos? t_t |
| 11:21.44 | DeadZergling | eh, been busy |
| 11:21.56 | DeadZergling | i should at some point I know, is a lot more to show nowadays |
| 11:23.09 | duckies | o well, I guess it's just a few more years, no biggie |
| 11:23.49 | DeadZergling | maybe, I'm gonna try to crap something onto the arcade if possible before 2014 |
| 11:23.53 | DeadZergling | that is really pushing it though, lol |
| 11:24.57 | duckies | you mean before 2015? cause 2014 is coming in 22 days |
| 11:25.15 | DeadZergling | i meant 2014, and that is why it is pushing it |
| 11:26.08 | DeadZergling | realistically, what I need to get done to be somewhat ready at this point is implementing all of my 5th classes' abilities triggerside, balancing them out some, and getting an Area 3 Final Boss put in |
| 11:26.38 | DeadZergling | and of course get a better loading screen, bank screenies done, and make my revive box work better |
| 11:29.27 | DeadZergling | be lucky if I get the third boss put together honestly, he is all planned out, but is a lot to do for him |
| 11:30.39 | duckies | it's better to put a quality project later than rushed preview earlier, it's how it is with rpgs. Also, more interesting terrain :D |
| 11:31.08 | DeadZergling | well, I doubt my terrain will win any home and garden contests |
| 11:31.19 | DeadZergling | is definitely interesting though |
| 11:33.34 | duckies | :D |
| 11:33.44 | DeadZergling | I'm even gonna pull a nintendo later |
| 11:33.49 | DeadZergling | it will have a water area |
| 11:34.36 | duckies | will it have enemies jumping out of the river in futile attempts to ambush you? |
| 11:35.17 | DeadZergling | no, will force everyone to be underwater |
| 11:37.39 | DeadZergling | idea being, have 2 areas before the final area |
| 11:37.54 | DeadZergling | be an evil sob straight from hell to get through |
| 11:38.03 | DeadZergling | to make you really have to work to see what is at the end |
| 11:38.55 | DeadZergling | will it piss some off, sure, but I don't care |
| 11:38.55 | duckies | ooh. That type of water area.. make it as annoying as NES Ninja Turtles water stage >:D |
| 11:39.03 | DeadZergling | not sure I'm that cruel duckies |
| 11:39.06 | DeadZergling | I know that stage |
| 11:39.12 | duckies | :3 |
| 11:39.20 | DeadZergling | it wasn't TOO bad if you switched turtles well though |
| 11:40.04 | DeadZergling | to me, that is what makes a game great, have an area so damn hard, that you wonder what on earth could possibly be behind that. |
| 11:40.24 | duckies | yeah, it required a sacraficial turtle or two, usually raph :D |
| 11:40.36 | DeadZergling | raph's range sucks bad |
| 11:41.31 | Zolden | do buff behavior has an option to randomize its period? |
| 11:44.37 | DeadZergling | don't think so |
| 11:45.16 | DeadZergling | have to do workarounds to get that |
| 11:45.36 | duckies | you're right dz, sometimes absurdly hard stages make for great memories |
| 11:45.57 | duckies | makes me want to make a stage-based map |
| 11:46.04 | DeadZergling | just hope I can make the final area worth it |
| 11:46.14 | DeadZergling | already have a rather good name picked out for it |
| 11:46.19 | DeadZergling | The Bad Place |
| 11:47.13 | duckies | does it have spikes and cruel things everywhere? :D |
| 11:47.29 | DeadZergling | well, currently in my areas, you have regular monsters |
| 11:47.33 | DeadZergling | and minibosses that can appear |
| 11:47.50 | DeadZergling | final area, I was thinking of having nothing but minibosses |
| 11:47.57 | DeadZergling | level difficulty |
| 11:48.08 | duckies | or it's a green and happy place inhabited by 1-hit KO monsters that laugh at your futile attempts to beat the game? |
| 11:48.25 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmm, I'm not against 1 hit KO monsters |
| 11:48.31 | DeadZergling | Area 2 Boss is like that |
| 11:48.40 | duckies | go nintendo-hard, make player fight all the bosses in succession without breal :D |
| 11:48.40 | DeadZergling | you are able to dodge it though |
| 11:48.49 | duckies | *break |
| 11:49.07 | DeadZergling | well, if you are clever enough to avoid the root ability anyways |
| 11:49.18 | DeadZergling | #1 way to die to her is get rooted then she casts white, lol |
| 11:50.00 | DeadZergling | i dunno, I'm probably scaling everything way too hard, but oh well |
| 11:50.15 | DeadZergling | what you get when the creator's favorite games are ninja gaiden and contra |
| 11:50.28 | Zolden | contra ftw |
| 11:50.34 | DeadZergling | and has seen just about every mmorpg boss mechanic in existence |
| 11:51.01 | DeadZergling | that's right, before I can release to arcade |
| 11:51.05 | DeadZergling | I have to add in a noob noob area |
| 11:52.07 | DeadZergling | got a rat ling, scorpion, and armadillo model in mind for there |
| 11:52.42 | duckies | for noob area you should make them attack trees |
| 11:52.58 | DeadZergling | treants already exist in area 2 |
| 11:53.30 | duckies | no, I mean static defensless trees. so that they can feel their newbishness and move out of it as soon as ready :D |
| 11:53.48 | duckies | and rename it to "shame area" |
| 11:53.58 | DeadZergling | nah, no need for that |
| 11:54.09 | DeadZergling | it is reasonable to give them a figure out wtf I'm doing area |
| 11:54.17 | duckies | I'd love to be a woodcutter =/ |
| 11:54.41 | Zolden | wooducktter |
| 11:55.41 | duckies | zolden, about behaviors, have you experimented with "Duration Random Maximum/Minimum" fields? |
| 11:56.49 | DeadZergling | I know what you mean duckies, but I don't like that idea for 2 reasons |
| 11:57.01 | DeadZergling | 1. The player may not figure out he is supposed to attack a tree, lol |
| 11:57.17 | DeadZergling | 2. I don't want players to feel stupid just for existing upon entry. |
| 11:57.19 | duckies | exactly, you do if for lols >.> |
| 11:57.42 | DeadZergling | I could add trees of ugliness |
| 11:57.44 | duckies | it's a map where you can get killed by angre sheep! |
| 11:57.56 | DeadZergling | but it needs real monsters too |
| 11:58.16 | DeadZergling | critters are a good start, I dunno about you, but I see a critter, I immediately know to kill it |
| 11:58.53 | duckies | it's just that I find critters to be hugely overused as a starters beating material, to the point of disgust :/ |
| 11:59.33 | duckies | while beating trees/rocks would be silly, but new |
| 11:59.45 | duckies | and newbish, most importanly =D |
| 12:00.00 | DeadZergling | like I said, I could see myself using both |
| 12:00.06 | duckies | but yea, I know why you want critters, it's all good :> |
| 12:00.06 | DeadZergling | but needs to be some critterage |
| 12:00.28 | DeadZergling | making killable rocks/trees isn't exactly hard |
| 12:00.33 | Zolden | duckies yea, i saw that field, and it can do the thing |
| 12:01.10 | DeadZergling | finally, all 19 abilities crapped together |
| 12:01.35 | duckies | oh hey, you could make that huge tall rock a destructible object, and when player kill it, it collapses and falls down on player, squashing him dead |
| 12:01.42 | duckies | that would be fun to experience |
| 12:02.08 | DeadZergling | be more amusing to have rock chips come off for damage |
| 12:02.50 | duckies | haha, thorns. Players killing themselves while attacking defensless rocks =D |
| 12:03.59 | duckies | damnit, christ, I really want to do some handcrafted rpg. I've been busy making this procedural hero map, and now I'm missing the fun of placing little things around and having complete control of the flow D: |
| 12:04.34 | duckies | yes, I'll do another side map then! it's decided, my main project timeframe has just increased by 1 more year! :D |
| 12:04.35 | duckies | \ |
| 12:04.51 | DeadZergling | *cackles* |
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| 12:18.00 | G0A | everybody is making hero maps |
| 12:18.07 | G0A | 2014 year of heroes |
| 12:20.33 | DeadZergling | you serious duckies, or just joking? |
| 12:21.11 | duckies | I am serious |
| 12:22.12 | DeadZergling | well most my new abilities work as expected, with small glitches |
| 12:22.21 | DeadZergling | may have to replace blind though, as it is damn useless |
| 12:23.30 | duckies | I was making an arcadish kinda rpg, with handcrafted levels, but it evolved into a procedural zelda-like dungeons rpg. So I'm re-igninting that idea of a 40-60 minute challenging as hell but beatable, non-grinding hero adventure |
| 12:23.46 | Ownage | what does blind do |
| 12:24.01 | DeadZergling | extremely simple, lowers vision max range to be 0.5 |
| 12:24.10 | Ownage | what kind of map is it too, I have lots of ideas for abilities, depending on what kind of map you're talking |
| 12:24.17 | DeadZergling | I could I guess add a behavior to make them randomly wander around |
| 12:24.37 | DeadZergling | it just isn't very practical for the way my RPG is designed |
| 12:25.30 | Ownage | well I don't know anything about it but I always thought there was some potential in flare, the medic ability |
| 12:25.55 | Ownage | is this an ability where your hero can blind a baddie? |
| 12:26.01 | DeadZergling | yea, for a short while |
| 12:26.16 | DeadZergling | issue being, if a baddie has you acquired at all, or has any friends, it doesn't do you any good |
| 12:26.34 | Ownage | yeah and the most you can hope for is .. he doesn't attack |
| 12:26.39 | Ownage | that's not a great in-game effect I think |
| 12:26.41 | Ownage | maybe you can do something like a fog where he misses x% of the time or whatever |
| 12:26.57 | Ownage | that way you can have an effect and he will still be doing something |
| 12:27.01 | DeadZergling | he already has a root/snare combo, a mezz where you can't attack |
| 12:27.11 | DeadZergling | so making blind more debilitating is too copy cat |
| 12:27.24 | Ownage | how about a thorns type of thing |
| 12:27.25 | DeadZergling | maybe, I might give him something more damage causing |
| 12:27.35 | DeadZergling | possibly, easy enough to make |
| 12:27.36 | Ownage | damage enemy causes hurts himself as well type of thing |
| 12:27.53 | Ownage | call it double edged sword :0 |
| 12:28.00 | G0A | duckies when will use experience your rpg? |
| 12:28.21 | DeadZergling | I need to get some sleep, and think about it more anyways Ownage |
| 12:28.22 | duckies | goa, no |
| 12:28.25 | Ownage | ciao |
| 12:28.40 | G0A | I mean us=use |
| 12:28.55 | DeadZergling | do appreciate the advice, just gotta think what direction I wanna go here |
| 12:29.09 | DeadZergling | happy modding all, I'm outta here :) |
| 12:29.15 | G0A | byeo |
| 12:29.36 | duckies | goa, there won't be experience, but there will be powerups/skill alterations from secrets/bosses |
| 12:29.51 | G0A | nice |
| 12:32.18 | G0A | should I make some crazy new map for next map night or work on heroes of entropy? |
| 12:32.36 | duckies | work on heroes ^^ |
| 12:33.53 | duckies | or if you have a crazy idea... I still belive that once you accamulate enough of those "made in a few days and forgot" maps you could make a kick-ass minigame map |
| 12:34.52 | duckies | so it's up to you, but I enjoy heroes of entropy more than I enjoy your minigames :D (maybe with little exception of random slide) |
| 12:40.01 | G0A | :D |
| 12:40.37 | G0A | G0A's collection of failed games minigame map |
| 12:57.38 | Ownage | anyone in here play ultra settings on a laptop? |
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| 13:36.33 | kingTD | gimme gimme gimme fourth Iron under the rock!!! |
| 13:42.54 | Zolden | it's 44% now |
| 13:43.07 | Zolden | wanna become the iron king? |
| 13:43.56 | kingTD | didnt gave me :( |
| 13:44.22 | kingTD | its such a lonely monday night will be without him :(( |
| 13:48.09 | kingTD | 3 reapers! 10 iron surplus! |
| 13:48.15 | Zolden | implementing a reward system: players will have little bonuses (like stronger drill) for in-game achievemnts (like "gathered 100 metal first"), and also will be better bonuses (like ability to place a piece of bullshit on enemy builder) for metagame achievements (like won 10 games in a row) |
| 13:49.12 | Zolden | kingTD you and lots of iron: http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/snova_17/42505524/1449802/1449802_original.gif |
| 13:49.15 | kingTD | 4 drones alive 1 reaper alive in the enemy side :DDD |
| 13:49.34 | Zolden | becasue they are noobs |
| 13:49.51 | Zolden | drones will now badly hunt for the lowest hp targets first |
| 13:49.58 | Zolden | i mean defence drons |
| 13:50.13 | kingTD | lol 36 hp :/ |
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| 14:17.43 | kingTD | heh so no robotron for me :( they did like pussies in the bag,,, it cost crystals? |
| 14:19.30 | Ownage | I have a question about the effect chain which creates broodlings from brood lord attack |
| 14:20.16 | Ownage | basically what happens is he launches a unit called broodling escort, which has a weapon on him that makes broodlings, amongst other things |
| 14:20.36 | Ownage | I don't understand how the broodling kills are given back to the brood lord |
| 14:21.16 | Ownage | I know, it's using kills to caster, but if I replace that with another behavior transfer and kills to caster, it doesn't work for me |
| 14:21.46 | G0A | hehe |
| 14:21.50 | G0A | probably hardcoded |
| 14:22.40 | G0A | I had similar problem with broodlings though I needed the kill origin in triggers |
| 14:22.55 | G0A | so I just searched for the nearest broodlord with triggers. |
| 14:25.12 | Ownage | there also seems to be a 'unused' one |
| 14:25.40 | Ownage | 'Kills to Broodlord AB' |
| 14:25.54 | Ownage | with unknown behavior Kills to Broodlord |
| 14:26.05 | Ownage | seems like a hardcode I guess |
| 14:26.11 | Ownage | is that what interceptor fate is? |
| 14:34.27 | Zolden | kingTD yea, robotron -> crystals, because he need a material to focus the plasma beams |
| 14:35.15 | G0A | perfect justification |
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| 15:46.57 | Bommes | damn, Witcher 3 http://giant.gfycat.com/UnrealisticComplexGrunion.gif |
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| 16:04.26 | G0A | dammit, so much talent wasted into a game that I will never play:D |
| 16:05.12 | Kueken | that looks beautiful |
| 16:07.55 | kingTD | that looks fake |
| 16:08.03 | kingTD | annnnnnnd |
| 16:08.04 | kingTD | gay |
| 16:08.36 | Bommes | #notevenreallife |
| 16:09.34 | Bommes | does the witcher have different armor types that you can wear and different types of weapons and stuff? |
| 16:09.44 | Bommes | or always the same? never played a game out of the series |
| 16:11.13 | Kueken | in witcher 1 you had a couple of weapons |
| 16:11.22 | Kueken | not sure about armor |
| 16:11.35 | Kueken | no visual change afaik |
| 16:15.29 | Zolden | there's nothing on that gif that we can't do in sc2 engine |
| 16:15.58 | Zolden | some 8192^2 textures per objects |
| 16:16.22 | Zolden | maybe even 4096^2 will look as detailed |
| 16:16.59 | Zolden | but no one would do that |
| 16:17.25 | Zolden | because higher detalization is a negative component of modern games evolution |
| 16:17.43 | Zolden | games look good because our imagination makes them look good |
| 16:17.59 | kingTD | cool story bro |
| 16:18.07 | kingTD | or I should say vagina |
| 16:18.34 | Zolden | vagina imba |
| 16:23.03 | Deaod | actually, if i had to guess, SC2 is optimized for lots of objects with relatively low poly count, while The Witcher will probably be optimized for less object but much higher poly count |
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| 16:35.48 | G0A | Zolden watches a black screen and plays in his imagination. |
| 16:36.13 | kingTD | agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed |
| 16:36.38 | Zolden | G0A I do before going to slepp, and it's great, sometimes I write stories about where have I been in those journeys |
| 16:37.58 | Zolden | Deaod and my guess is that video card doesn't care about where the polygons it calculates come from, from 1 detailed high poly object or from lots of low poly objects. Graphical acceleration is hardware activity, there's no optimisation possible. So, we have no reason to say that The Witcher is optimised for detailed objects. SC2 - yes, may be optimised to handle lots of objects, because it's calculated on cpu. Therefore, it's sc2 rather have an advantage over t |
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| 16:38.56 | Zolden | kingTD you're greed, not agreed |
| 16:39.43 | kingTD | agreed to be greed |
| 16:41.14 | Zolden | Deaod btw, do you think it's possible that sc2 engine calculates particle positions on videocard too? It juse feels so right thing to do: lots of unrelated to each other totally parallel calculations, a perfect job for the viddeocard. And it feels like they do, just too fast the engine handles the particles, can't believe they do it on cpu |
| 16:42.25 | Zolden | (cpus have conveyer bus, though, maybe they are using it) |
| 16:43.41 | Bommes | I don't even know what the point of your conversation right now is |
| 16:44.05 | Kueken | penis |
| 16:44.21 | Zolden | penis indeed |
| 16:44.50 | Bommes | maybe too many hallucination-inducing drugs involved |
| 16:45.20 | Kueken | viagra? |
| 16:45.31 | Zolden | Bommes Deaod sound like an experienced programmer, and can make a guess, while I'm just too curious about it to not answer, it would make me excited to know for sure that they do use videocard for particle coordiantions |
| 16:45.57 | Deaod | i have not really done any graphics programming |
| 16:46.07 | Deaod | so i cant answer your question honestly |
| 16:46.10 | Zolden | ok |
| 16:46.25 | Kueken | I wonder, is viagra considered a hallucination-inducing drug? |
| 16:46.39 | Kueken | it creates the hallucination of a big or working penis |
| 16:46.42 | Deaod | oh, viagras effects are real enough i think |
| 16:46.58 | Bommes | oh I thought there was some kind of "brain in penis" pun incoming |
| 16:47.12 | Kueken | nah, just blunt force |
| 16:47.21 | Bommes | now I'm a little disappointed |
| 16:47.32 | Kueken | ask Jade for elaborate jokes |
| 16:47.51 | Kueken | I am your man for unqualified comments and dumb penis jokes |
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| 16:49.27 | kingTD | intellegent penis jokes? |
| 16:49.40 | Kueken | you misspelled intellent! |
| 16:49.55 | kingTD | qiutqr |
| 16:50.08 | Deaod | intelligant* |
| 16:50.11 | Kueken | Jade does mostly intellent jokes, I am sure he can mix in a penis or 2 |
| 16:50.18 | kingTD | good to have dictionary ! |
| 16:50.19 | kingTD | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.32 | Zolden | Kueken A guy tried to robe a barber's saloon. Woman-barber unarmed him with a precise carate hit. And put him in the basement. Chained him there to the radiator. Gave him viagra. And had sex with him all night. A bit hurted his penis. Then gave him $30 and released with a threat that if he complains on her, she will call police and tell them that he tried to robe her. But he complained. Now both will be judged as criminals. He = for robbery attempt, she - for ra |
| 16:50.42 | kingTD | and still use word incorrectly! |
| 16:51.32 | Kueken | Zolden: I did not find a Hitler reference in your story, uninteresting |
| 16:52.49 | Zolden | Kueken everything that happened after 1945 year had a hidden hitler reference: it wouldn't happen if there wasn't hitler and his War. He affected all world so much, so we all live in an alternative brancj of history: the post-hitler's world |
| 16:52.50 | G0A | Zolden thats your fantasy? |
| 16:53.03 | Zolden | G0A it's one of the funny russian news |
| 16:53.11 | G0A | ehh |
| 16:53.18 | Zolden | i'n not 100% sure that it happened for sure, but it was in the news as a real shit |
| 16:53.22 | Kueken | so in a sense, Hitler is responsible for the invention of Viagra? |
| 16:53.23 | G0A | do you have english version link?:D |
| 16:53.31 | Zolden | Kueken correct |
| 16:53.42 | Zolden | G0A let me try to find it |
| 16:54.02 | Kueken | I am glad we unearthed this important piece of post-WW2 history! |
| 17:00.26 | Zolden | G0A http://fedpost.ru/sobytiya/29645-pod-kalugoj-parikmaxersha-3-dnya-nasilovala-napavshego-na.html#img |
| 17:00.30 | Zolden | jsut use google translate |
| 17:00.37 | Zolden | can't find english version |
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| 17:18.17 | G0A | Zolden that girl doesnt event looks so bad |
| 17:20.42 | Zolden | G0A maybe she's so nimphomaniac, so all her men sick of her and she has to hunt for more |
| 17:21.07 | Kueken | Are you sure its a girl? :D |
| 17:21.58 | Zolden | yea, arms are too fat for a man |
| 17:22.45 | Zolden | but still it's probably a hungry journalist's imagination rather than a real story |
| 17:23.49 | Zolden | yea, I know that life has better imagination than any of writers put together, but sometimes they locally overimagining it |
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| 17:28.26 | Delphinium | HAHA, I did some interesting things. |
| 17:28.27 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/45/610/2.gif |
| 17:31.30 | Kueken | has to suppress a penis joke |
| 17:31.40 | Kueken | phew, made it |
| 17:31.51 | Zolden | Delphinium u're trolling sc2 it seems like |
| 17:32.00 | Kueken | now make them crawl |
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| 17:33.13 | Zolden | make them vigorously and synchronously masturbate their protoss/terran penises |
| 17:35.01 | Bommes | damn, that zeratul mantle has some serious problems with the animation :D |
| 17:36.50 | Delphinium | I guess in the future, only in the water, the mantle will accept buoyance and that may fix the problem. |
| 17:37.46 | Delphinium | But now, let it just respond the gravity~ |
| 17:38.59 | G0A | beautiful combination of audio and video http://indavideo.hu/video/Csardas_gabba |
| 17:52.46 | Delphinium | ---》 Zolden I think protoss don't have penixxx things. |
| 17:53.03 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/45/582/QQ20131208023130.gif |
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| 18:17.03 | kingTD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCp8CdAB8fc |
| 18:20.34 | Ahli | :o |
| 18:20.50 | Ahli | sexy |
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| 18:22.08 | Ahli | damned reddit to facebook links :X crash my opera |
| 18:22.11 | Ahli | black magic |
| 18:25.23 | Zolden | now all will spam soulless games with that engine |
| 18:25.52 | Zolden | it's not next generation, it just added a couple of features to the old doom 2 engine |
| 18:26.09 | Zolden | next generation will be to add special glowes that will allow boobtouching |
| 18:27.23 | G0A | Ahli which opera are you using? |
| 18:27.38 | Ahli | 12.16 |
| 18:28.26 | G0A | So I am not the only one here who cant find better than opera 12.16 |
| 18:28.27 | Ahli | the new one is gay as it lacks basically all features |
| 18:28.46 | A1win | mm I'm also using the old one |
| 18:29.01 | Zolden | new family guy appeared |
| 18:29.11 | Zolden | will they revive brian yet? |
| 18:29.31 | Ahli | SPOILER WARNING: no SPOILER WARNING END |
| 18:29.55 | Ahli | that episode has a lot of singing |
| 18:35.48 | G0A | Zolden did you started watching Archer? Better than Family guy :) |
| 18:36.39 | Zolden | G0A I downloaded it, and it's waiting for a chance to be watched |
| 18:37.02 | Ahli | starts watching archer because other suggestions from here were never disappointing |
| 18:37.12 | Zolden | Ahli yea, seth macfarlane never misses a chance to sing something, even dinged when he was hosting oscar |
| 18:37.46 | Zolden | mapmakers are selective indeed |
| 18:38.14 | Zolden | ability to mapmake guarantees that a person is not retarded to advise something stupid or boring |
| 18:41.27 | Zolden | lol |
| 18:41.57 | Zolden | i glad to see that new dog generates more italian jokes voiced by seth macfarlane |
| 18:50.34 | Zolden | jewtube :)) |
| 18:51.27 | G0A | kingTD M&M?:) |
| 18:51.42 | kingTD | :( |
| 18:53.32 | kingTD | G0A nigger wtf? |
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| 18:57.42 | duckies | hey guys, anyone got a link for renees GAx3 mod? the one on mapster projects doesn't work |
| 18:59.41 | Zolden | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/09/nsa-spies-online-games-world-warcraft-second-life |
| 19:00.24 | Zolden | duckies A1win has got it somwhere a couple of weeks ago |
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| 19:01.11 | Bommes | "According to the briefing notes, so many different US intelligence agents were conducting operations inside games that a "deconfliction" group was required to ensure they weren't spying on, or interfering with, each other." |
| 19:01.25 | A1win | duckies, here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1211592/GAx3.SC2Mod |
| 19:01.35 | duckies | awesome, thanks |
| 19:01.44 | A1win | duckies, let me know when you have it, won't leave it there |
| 19:01.57 | duckies | I have it |
| 19:02.06 | Bommes | fml, NSA agents in the US get thousands of dollars per month playing WoW and I'm sitting here barely having anything to eat |
| 19:02.22 | Bommes | at least I can also play WoW |
| 19:02.52 | G0A | Zolden you cant survive the first wave with magical builder if enemy sent 1 drone. |
| 19:02.52 | kingTD | Zolden use multiple notes for every patch not put everything in one. and when u change soemthing edit that shit there instantly!!! |
| 19:04.11 | kingTD | need to decrease the cost of that useless fucker |
| 19:04.14 | kingTD | to be built 2 |
| 19:04.25 | duckies | ;O goa, I once survived, cause drone couldn't get to me :D |
| 19:04.50 | DeadZergling | same way I'd often survive the queen sends |
| 19:05.08 | G0A | now I am fucked for the whole game... |
| 19:05.26 | Zolden | DeadZergling queen also heals |
| 19:05.30 | Zolden | G0A ok |
| 19:06.02 | DeadZergling | well that isn't so bad G0A |
| 19:06.03 | Zolden | kingTD do you mean describing every change? |
| 19:06.09 | DeadZergling | go ranged, and be fucked the entire game due to constant nerfs |
| 19:06.30 | Zolden | DeadZergling Slith is now better |
| 19:06.34 | Zolden | i don't only nerf |
| 19:06.34 | kingTD | Zolden at least most important ones.. like making drill most useless |
| 19:06.41 | kingTD | still dont know the dmg... 40? |
| 19:06.46 | Zolden | 41 |
| 19:07.43 | DeadZergling | how is slith better, against anything other than lots of weak trash, he sucks pretty bad |
| 19:08.59 | kingTD | well i make 2 sukkers of those to hold of mostly the Evieeeil conjunoquers |
| 19:16.23 | Ahli | duckies, you can find gax3 on bnet |
| 19:16.59 | duckies | yeah, already found ahli, but If I use gax3 from NA, can I still publish on EU? |
| 19:17.18 | Ahli | EU has its own gax mod |
| 19:17.24 | duckies | it has two |
| 19:17.34 | duckies | which one should be used? :o |
| 19:17.40 | A1win | getting colder... was -11 in the morning, -15 now |
| 19:17.57 | Ahli | no idea... you could copy the stuff you require, though |
| 19:19.10 | duckies | yeah, I'll probably will, after I study that 60 page long pdf that comes with it :D |
| 19:20.26 | kingTD | Ahli where u have of dia blo map dungens screenshots? :/ |
| 19:20.35 | kingTD | starredit dont have shit |
| 19:20.45 | kingTD | or will have to look all 44 pages |
| 19:21.06 | Ahli | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/terrain/46917-randomizing-terrain/#p3 |
| 19:21.27 | Ahli | these are the only dungeon screenshots I made, I believe. |
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| 19:26.19 | kingTD | Ahli so thse ones u and have only? |
| 19:26.55 | kingTD | duckies !!! |
| 19:27.09 | duckies | kings! |
| 19:27.17 | kingTD | go MM |
| 19:27.32 | duckies | it'll take a few minutes to get there |
| 19:27.43 | duckies | and by the time I'm there, you'll already be gone |
| 19:27.50 | G0A | hey this means http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/09/nsa-spies-online-games-world-warcraft-second-life stewox was right and we have alien overlods! |
| 19:28.12 | DeadZergling | hey Ahli, how did you go about getting rid of the terribad shadow on your blood star? |
| 19:28.18 | Ahli | I've hell, too... |
| 19:28.33 | Ahli | terribad shadow? let me check |
| 19:28.41 | Ahli | but I've no models for hell, yet... |
| 19:29.03 | DeadZergling | yea, was using that arcademothership model, came with a terrible shadow |
| 19:29.33 | Ahli | I think I don't really have shadows in my map because of my lighting :D that might be it |
| 19:29.34 | duckies | oh, the shadow that all arcade things have |
| 19:29.51 | Ahli | my ground doesn't draw shadows anymore for some reason ^^ |
| 19:30.13 | DeadZergling | pity, mine has lots of shadows, lol |
| 19:30.16 | duckies | there you go dz, the solution to have no shadows is to be ahli |
| 19:30.33 | duckies | he's probably a vampire! ;_; |
| 19:30.47 | DeadZergling | vampires lack reflections, not shadows... |
| 19:30.58 | Ahli | yeah, I'm not entirely sure how I did that, but it's somehow cool |
| 19:31.20 | duckies | he's probably a freak vampire who has a handsome reflection at the cost of having lost his shadow! |
| 19:31.34 | kingTD | duckies so u will come or no ? L*AIFA |
| 19:31.44 | duckies | nah I'm good |
| 19:31.48 | duckies | too much stuff to do |
| 19:31.52 | duckies | call G0a Instead |
| 19:32.10 | G0A | G0a not enough |
| 19:32.24 | duckies | what, you too are there? |
| 19:32.30 | DeadZergling | yea, you must be busy duckies, since you just decided to add another year of ETA to your main project, lol |
| 19:32.53 | duckies | fine, I'll join you guys, a little teapause |
| 19:33.49 | DeadZergling | looks like back to a supersize photon cannon shot instead |
| 19:34.10 | kingTD | niggas ready up!!! |
| 19:34.24 | G0A | duckies are you from England instead of Russia? you drink too much tea. |
| 19:34.38 | duckies | you're the only nigga is there, I'm a toss and goa is a girl >.> |
| 19:34.58 | G0A | you must be GCHQ spy with Russian op:) |
| 19:35.00 | kingTD | u will be my niggas soooooooooooon |
| 19:35.08 | Ahli | kingTD: why do you want to know which dungeons I have? |
| 19:35.24 | Ahli | btw, I've altered the cathedral a bit on the PTR |
| 19:35.31 | kingTD | crisis in developing that fucking new generation script :/ |
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| 19:44.46 | Zolden | kingTD what's wrong with your terrain generation? |
| 19:44.57 | kingTD | randomness |
| 19:45.35 | kingTD | and making proper script is hard to get the concentration on the matter |
| 19:45.39 | kingTD | to be solved |
| 19:46.33 | Zolden | so u want to make it less random and more organized? |
| 19:49.29 | kingTD | yeah using proper example of the work flow but it gives its own questions by adding and looking for adjustments for the generation itself |
| 19:49.42 | kingTD | reapers op vs newbies |
| 19:49.57 | kingTD | lucky me to have 3 irons |
| 19:50.55 | kingTD | as the example is for islands based... |
| 19:51.48 | kingTD | basicly looking for excuses why to do shit meanwhile |
| 19:54.41 | Zolden | kingTD gimme more information about what you want to achieve |
| 19:58.15 | kingTD | the info i will give dont really solves much for me or real gives revelates the ways to achieve it. So will have to by wasting huuuugely time make that happen :/ |
| 19:59.42 | Zolden | i could make you a script to generate stuff if you would explain what do you want |
| 20:01.14 | kingTD | i doubt it |
| 20:01.23 | kingTD | it would take couple days for sure |
| 20:02.03 | kingTD | plus u wouldnt do progress at all at ur own map :/ |
| 20:03.01 | kingTD | Soo how is the weather in mother russia? |
| 20:04.01 | Zolden | cold like in snow queen's vagina |
| 20:04.21 | Zolden | kingTD if you ever want me to make this script, tell me |
| 20:04.51 | kingTD | Zolden tell me when u will want to hear of its completion! |
| 20:05.33 | Zolden | i would maybe finish it in one day |
| 20:16.59 | Fate_ | can u create doodads via trigger? |
| 20:18.29 | kingTD | y |
| 20:18.37 | kingTD | but it wont use footprints? |
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| 20:24.58 | Fate_ | i find an action that removes doodads but none that can create it... |
| 20:25.10 | A1win | Create Actor |
| 20:25.34 | Fate_ | ah |
| 20:25.37 | A1win | don't think you can modify pathing with other than units, though |
| 20:31.49 | Zolden | cat sleeping on my knees, and i cant go drink a glass of water |
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| 20:32.11 | Zolden | hope he wake up b4 I die |
| 20:32.50 | JademusSreg | From the depthsss I come. |
| 20:33.20 | Ahli | drinks some water because of no pets |
| 20:33.41 | Zolden | hope you wasn't too fast to avoid aeroembolism |
| 20:34.20 | JademusSreg | Yeah, drinking water without pets in them is preferable. |
| 20:34.32 | Zolden | Ahli yea, even freddie mercury singrd "pets kill" song |
| 20:34.50 | Zolden | he died after his monkey bit him |
| 20:35.46 | JademusSreg | Subtle. |
| 20:37.48 | Ahli | my heating creates wind on the ground :X |
| 20:38.00 | Zolden | check this http://www.yandex.ru/themes/doom/ |
| 20:38.05 | Zolden | it's kinda russian google |
| 20:38.27 | JademusSreg | Ars reports: "French agency caught minting SSL certificates impersonating Google" "World of Spycraft: NSA, GCHQ hacked WoW and Xbox Live, other games" |
| 20:38.51 | Fate_ | is there a way to create the doodads with footprints? |
| 20:39.19 | JademusSreg | If you mean in the editor, easy. The Doodad actor type has a Footprint field. |
| 20:39.34 | Fate_ | i mean via trigger |
| 20:39.38 | Zolden | he means in game |
| 20:39.59 | JademusSreg | If you mean at runtime, not directly. Instead you'd create a unit, or create both an actor and modify the pathing for the region. |
| 20:40.26 | Zolden | JademusSreg since when we can modify pathing for regions? |
| 20:40.36 | JademusSreg | Since forever. |
| 20:40.38 | Zolden | can we create a complete dynamical pathing? |
| 20:40.58 | Zolden | what if one created a river and wants to make it unpathable? |
| 20:41.12 | Zolden | no units required for it? |
| 20:41.16 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/mztup |
| 20:41.50 | Zolden | kingTD can you believe it? |
| 20:42.47 | Fate_ | O.o |
| 20:42.49 | kingTD | :O thats seems like something |
| 20:43.25 | Zolden | JademusSreg what inAdd do? |
| 20:43.48 | Zolden | kingTD how many units you can remove because of this? |
| 20:43.50 | JademusSreg | Either the modification adds pathing or removes pathing. |
| 20:44.02 | Fate_ | i dont understand how that works |
| 20:44.13 | kingTD | well most of the rocks and rivers. |
| 20:44.27 | JademusSreg | So if the type is Building and inAdd true, it adds Building pathing to the region. If false, it removes Building pathing from the region. |
| 20:44.38 | kingTD | so about ~500 units |
| 20:44.45 | Zolden | not bad |
| 20:47.05 | Fate_ | inArea is the name of the region right? |
| 20:47.11 | JademusSreg | Yar. |
| 20:47.24 | JademusSreg | Except for the "name" part. |
| 20:48.03 | Fate_ | i am sorry this the 1st scrip i will use |
| 20:48.16 | JademusSreg | Don't need to use script. |
| 20:48.31 | Fate_ | i dont? |
| 20:48.39 | JademusSreg | I always post script, because that's what I use, but in most cases, there is a GUI equivalent. |
| 20:49.31 | JademusSreg | Note: "GUI" is shorthand for the pointy-clicky shit in the Trigger Editor. |
| 20:52.10 | Fate_ | i know that much at least^^ |
| 20:53.50 | kingTD | nothing in functions about updating shit |
| 20:57.51 | Zolden | yea, I was never able to find dynamic pathing updating in gui and thought it's not possible |
| 21:05.00 | JademusSreg | I just assume GUI has it too; haven't actually checked. |
| 21:05.45 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 21:25.38 | Bounty | pew |
| 21:25.49 | G0A | JademusSreg is there anything which can turn off pathfinding update? |
| 21:33.01 | Fate_ | ist there a way to get the current game variant |
| 21:34.11 | G0A | nope |
| 21:34.57 | Zolden | kingTD I just reduced for reapers and huge drones damage vs base |
| 21:35.12 | Zolden | so you can spam reapers, abut you can't win it |
| 21:35.32 | Zolden | hope -20% damage will be enough to make bnoobs call you noob for reaper send |
| 21:35.54 | kingTD | cool story vagina |
| 21:36.31 | Zolden | wait now base will target drones after I added targeting to lower hp targets |
| 21:36.43 | Zolden | need to add a validator |
| 21:37.18 | Fate_ | G0A is there realy no way to get the game mode? why does it extist then? |
| 21:37.49 | Zolden | kingTD they sing songs about poop, penises and boobs in the recently uploaded family guy episode |
| 21:38.27 | Ahli | fate_ to have a different amount of players and teams in the lobby |
| 21:38.59 | Fate_ | thats what i want it to use for |
| 21:39.25 | Fate_ | i want to change the map borders when the mode is 1v1 |
| 21:39.39 | G0A | Fate_ or add new lobby option |
| 21:39.43 | G0A | (dummy one) |
| 21:39.52 | Ahli | game attribute, yes |
| 21:39.54 | Zolden | Fate_ what if you just count active players |
| 21:39.56 | G0A | and make the default for each variant |
| 21:40.19 | G0A | yeah "game attribute" always forget how its called:D |
| 21:43.17 | Fate_ | so i can get game attributes but not game varriants? but game attributes say nothign about the player numbers or do they? |
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| 21:58.57 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/7ha8d |
| 21:59.48 | JademusSreg | GameAttributeGameValue, GameAttributePlayerValue, GameAttributePlayersForTeam |
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| 22:38.17 | JademusSreg | At least extension mods could make good use of GameTerrainSet. |
| 22:38.25 | JademusSreg | A weather mod, for instance. |
| 22:42.49 | JademusSreg | Hm, guess I need to make my own model assets. |
| 22:43.02 | Fate_ | is there a way to get if a player is the host? |
| 22:43.51 | JademusSreg | No actual host in game, only applies to the lobby. |
| 22:44.34 | Fate_ | thats the one i want to get |
| 22:45.08 | JademusSreg | I mean it's not a thing that exists in-game. Best workaround is to make a Host team. |
| 22:45.29 | Fate_ | -.- |
| 22:54.05 | JademusSreg | Them's the breaks. |
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| 23:17.35 | Deaod | is anyone with a good grasp of the english language willing to tell me what "to wreck havoc" means, if anything at all? |
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| 23:21.28 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 23:21.53 | ArcanePariah | sup JademusSreg |
| 23:29.38 | Zolden | Deaod to bring destruction maybe? |
| 23:30.46 | ArcanePariah | Well... son of a.... Region Actors apparently can do more then I thought originally, you can create polygons and combine others.... |
| 23:32.33 | ArcanePariah | So like... one could create a targeting aoe thingy that shows what an effect would hit, even if the effect was shaped weirdly through persistents, like say you made an effect do a + pattern, you could create a targeting cursor for it |
| 23:39.29 | A1win | isn't that how they work in the editor too? |
| 23:40.09 | A1win | I wanted to use them for capture zone at some point but no one was able to assist me how to actually do it ;p |
| 23:40.22 | A1win | don't need those anymore, though, went for a different design |
| 23:48.02 | ArcanePariah | Yes, everything you see in the terrain editor is controlled by actors as well |
| 23:48.29 | ArcanePariah | There is some settings that can alter how it appears in the editor vs in game, but otherwise they are one and the same |
| 23:49.12 | A1win | mm, can combine regions in terrain editor too into one big area |
| 23:50.50 | ArcanePariah | Yep |
| 23:51.14 | ArcanePariah | A blizz dev did say rectange search effects are coming |
| 23:51.18 | ArcanePariah | rectangle* |
| 23:51.35 | ArcanePariah | Which will be nice, makes doing laser beam/railguns much easier |
| 23:51.36 | Ahli | cool |
| 23:51.45 | A1win | oo |
| 23:52.12 | ArcanePariah | Currently, Raynor Snipe a succession of circle search effects from a persistent with offsets, which is close, but not perfect, same with collosus attack |
| 23:52.16 | Ahli | damned, I started remaking one of my scbw maps... :D I could use all of twodies models in it ^^ |
| 23:53.39 | Zolden | Ahli waht map? |
| 23:54.04 | Ahli | not really known. best would be if I describe it |
| 23:54.31 | Ahli | every player has his city area where he can build stuff and a fortress he needs to defend |
| 23:55.09 | Ahli | he can construct buildings in a tech tree to be able to gain income or produce soldiers |
| 23:55.42 | Ahli | then he can spend money on the production on siege weapons. Also every player has a hero which can learn spells |
| 23:56.06 | Ahli | there are random events like mercenaries approaching your city that you can purchase or bandits attacking your town |
| 23:56.08 | A1win | hmm just thought of some old rts game where your base was more like one huge structure that branched some smaller stuff around it |
| 23:56.22 | A1win | that was kinda nice since it was so different from other RTSs |
| 23:56.30 | A1win | the idea, that is, can't remember gameplay at all |
| 23:56.38 | Ahli | the goal is to defeat the other players by attacking them and killing their fortress |
| 23:56.55 | Ahli | but you had no direct unit control, just simple commands: attack and retreat |
| 23:57.51 | A1win | I once made a tug of war game in WC3 that was for 2 players on one keyboard, you typed chat letters/numbers in chat message to define what type of monster to spawn |
| 23:58.11 | Ahli | defending had 2 stages: one the fields or within your city (where you could have build static defenses and have your elite guards), but defending in the city means that the attacker can kill buildings |
| 23:58.15 | A1win | letter guy pressed normal enter and number guy used numpad+numpad enter |
| 23:59.26 | A1win | it was fun... for one night |
| 23:59.45 | A1win | (during which I made it, then played it with a friend for an hour or so, and then never touched it again) |
