IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20131206

`00:33.54`	`*** join/#sc2mapster proprietarysucks (~proprieta@198.96.89.51)`
`00:48.17`	`*** join/#sc2mapster ElectricPrism (~Loren@unaffiliated/electricprism)`
`00:49.47`	`DeadZergling`	`Heh this is too funny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=epgXuMB1sF8 , especially so if you ever disliked purple dancing dinosaurs`
`01:35.19`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (45f8f26f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.242.111)`
`01:35.23`	`Bounty`	`Pew`
`01:46.44`	`Bounty`	`I had found a solution to the problem regarding the Arcade JademusSreg`
`01:47.12`	`Bounty`	`Blizzard needs to hire me strictly to develop new games for the Arcade for 30k a year.`
`01:47.17`	`Bounty`	`:)`
`01:48.41`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Arcane\|School (cfe95439@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.233.84.57)`
`01:49.00`	`Arcane\|School`	`Yoink`
`01:49.12`	`Arcane\|School`	`Anything going on in here?`
`01:49.58`	`Bounty`	`nothing more than usual`
`01:50.01`	`Bounty`	`which means, no`
`01:52.40`	`DeadZergling`	`college let you go or something?`
`02:08.57`	`Bounty`	`I've realized I am a creative genius Deadzergling`
`02:09.03`	`Bounty`	`What is your opinion?`
`02:09.05`	`Bounty`	`:)`
`02:10.02`	`DeadZergling`	`I agree that you are creative`
`02:10.19`	`proprietarysucks`	`it's spelled geenius`
`02:10.37`	`proprietarysucks`	`god some people are so stupid`
`02:10.50`	`proprietarysucks`	`and they think they are a geenius`
`02:16.56`	`DeadZergling`	`much quieter than usual Bounty`
`02:17.04`	`DeadZergling`	`must be ravishing in your own self realizations.`
`02:17.11`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:17.17`	`Bounty`	`just brainstorming for the most part`
`02:17.50`	`Bounty`	`Not sure what the difference between brainstorming and mediation is`
`02:17.52`	`Bounty`	`>.<`
`02:18.02`	`DeadZergling`	`yea, well beats me spending a couple nights to be happy with the way a bottle is thrown`
`02:18.13`	`DeadZergling`	`you mean, meditation?`
`02:18.15`	`Bounty`	`lol what do you mean?`
`02:18.26`	`Bounty`	`No idea, I don't even know what mediation is exactly`
`02:18.36`	`Bounty`	`As I have never experienced it`
`02:18.44`	`DeadZergling`	`oh, well my support class, about 8 or 9 of his spells will involve throwing a bottle of alcohol`
`02:18.54`	`Bounty`	`Let me gues`
`02:18.56`	`Bounty`	`Data work?`
`02:19.01`	`Bounty`	`If so, I feel for you`
`02:19.02`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:19.04`	`Bounty`	`hardcore`
`02:19.23`	`DeadZergling`	`my next try at texture select by ID, worked first try by the way`
`02:19.40`	`Bounty`	`Yeah, the method I told you about should work 100% of the time`
`02:19.53`	`Bounty`	`I've been using it since that night I was taughti t`
`02:19.57`	`Bounty`	`VERY useful`
`02:19.58`	`DeadZergling`	`it really isn't so hard, but that tutorial explains it so god awful bad`
`02:20.03`	`Bounty`	`Yeah`
`02:20.05`	`Bounty`	`Thats what I said dude`
`02:20.11`	`DeadZergling`	`I'm considering making a new one`
`02:20.22`	`Bounty`	`I can't understand written tutorials because they try to explain it like a college professor would`
`02:20.29`	`DeadZergling`	`it is going on my very long list of things to do`
`02:20.35`	`Bounty`	`Even when they don't have to`
`02:20.43`	`DeadZergling`	`and yes, data work :)`
`02:20.54`	`Bounty`	`Skip data lol`
`02:20.59`	`Bounty`	`Data is only useful for a few things`
`02:21.12`	`Bounty`	`Animations and Sounds being the main`
`02:21.22`	`DeadZergling`	`guess what I was doing that entire time`
`02:21.24`	`Bounty`	`Those two things are very inefficient in triggers`
`02:21.29`	`Bounty`	`hmm?`
`02:21.33`	`DeadZergling`	`animations and sounds`
`02:21.43`	`Bounty`	`I learned that the hard way as well`
`02:21.54`	`Bounty`	`My entire game was running at 1 Frame per minute`
`02:21.56`	`Bounty`	`online'`
`02:21.57`	`DeadZergling`	`I'm very picky about how it works is all`
`02:22.05`	`Bounty`	`because of triggers playing animations and sounds`
`02:22.10`	`Bounty`	`a few years ago`
`02:22.11`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:22.45`	`DeadZergling`	`is simply a sequence/animation`
`02:22.51`	`DeadZergling`	`people are gonna be seeing a fuckload`
`02:22.59`	`DeadZergling`	`so it better be pretty damn good`
`02:23.19`	`Bounty`	`I just think triggers are way more efficient on the whole`
`02:23.30`	`Bounty`	`Easier to fix bugs`
`02:23.38`	`Bounty`	`Much quicker to develop`
`02:23.44`	`Bounty`	`EXCEPT those two I named`
`02:23.50`	`Bounty`	`Those should never be done in triggers`
`02:23.51`	`Bounty`	`lo`
`02:24.38`	`DeadZergling`	`but yea, in the end, I rigged up the SCV fidget 01, probe spark, an amplified noise scv repair noise, and the molotov sounds`
`02:24.56`	`DeadZergling`	`it looks like the SCV throws too hard, starts scraping the metal he threw so hard`
`02:25.00`	`DeadZergling`	`and then tries to fix himself`
`02:26.00`	`DeadZergling`	`I wasn't quite happy with the colors of the probe spark, so I had to gimp edit that and texture select by ID there too :P`
`02:27.02`	`DeadZergling`	`Brain-storming, fun to do in a way, but at this point I'm too afraid to do it`
`02:27.12`	`DeadZergling`	`more crap I have to implement, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!`
`02:30.23`	`DeadZergling`	`pushing hard to attempt to have something released on Arcade before 2014`
`02:30.36`	`DeadZergling`	`very dubious if I make it though...`
`02:33.25`	`Bounty`	`I seem to only be able to brainstorm hardcore when drinking and listening to VGM`
`02:33.44`	`Bounty`	`The amount of concepts I have in my head is silly`
`02:34.07`	`DeadZergling`	`VGM? Video Game Music?`
`02:34.11`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`02:34.27`	`Bounty`	`I stopped listening to "real music" about 5-6 years ago honestly`
`02:34.34`	`DeadZergling`	`I been listening to a lot of crazy J-core anime shit`
`02:34.36`	`DeadZergling`	`myself`
`02:34.38`	`Bounty`	`VGM gives me what I want, the beauty of music without lyrics`
`02:34.51`	`Bounty`	`>.<`
`02:35.03`	`DeadZergling`	`japanese shit does the same, I can't understand squat they are saying`
`02:35.04`	`Bounty`	`Lyrics tend to throw me off, especially metal`
`02:35.09`	`Bounty`	`not even taht`
`02:35.15`	`Bounty`	`but when you get into shit like cradle of filth`
`02:35.24`	`Bounty`	`They have some catchy music, then he starts screaming`
`02:35.27`	`DeadZergling`	`i understand though`
`02:35.28`	`Bounty`	`or w/e the fuck he does`
`02:35.31`	`Bounty`	`ruins it`
`02:35.36`	`DeadZergling`	`I enjoy VGM quite a lot myself`
`02:36.16`	`DeadZergling`	`I have an extremely healthy amount of ability to reproduce sonic the hedgehog music`
`02:36.21`	`DeadZergling`	`*unhealthy`
`02:37.26`	`DeadZergling`	`classical shit is quite good too sometimes, but the tempo is too damn slow for me most of the time.`
`02:40.43`	`DeadZergling`	`explains your quietness then, looking at this chat is like having lyrics, sometimes I'll just think, got too much shit to get done tonight to bother with the IRC, lol`
`02:42.34`	`Bounty`	`I was smoking`
`02:42.42`	`Bounty`	`One of the many drawbacks to drinking`
`02:42.46`	`Bounty`	`sorry bro`
`02:42.46`	`DeadZergling`	`don't brainstorm so hard`
`02:42.54`	`DeadZergling`	`you won't start on fire like that`
`02:43.01`	`Bounty`	`I know`
`02:43.21`	`Bounty`	`I'm one of those dudes that has a brain just just won't STFU lol`
`02:43.54`	`DeadZergling`	`it can be troublesome`
`02:43.57`	`Bounty`	`Thankfully it is not telling me to kill jews`
`02:44.02`	`Bounty`	`:)`
`02:44.08`	`DeadZergling`	`and the mind's ability to wander, very dangerous`
`02:44.17`	`Bounty`	`Indeed`
`02:44.25`	`Bounty`	`Probably why I end up being so political when I drink`
`02:44.28`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:44.51`	`DeadZergling`	`one odd tendency mine has is to just want to ninja kick destroy things`
`02:45.01`	`Bounty`	`I think my issue is financial, I am doing well ATM but it will end eventually`
`02:45.13`	`DeadZergling`	`no particular reason, I just feel the urge to have explosively powerful ninja kicks sometimes...`
`02:45.16`	`Bounty`	`yet what I am good at is not in decline, it is actually getting better`
`02:45.33`	`Bounty`	`Oh I agree`
`02:45.35`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:45.45`	`Bounty`	`I am close to emailing Blizzard about this`
`02:45.52`	`Bounty`	`They have responded to all of my emails before`
`02:46.08`	`Bounty`	`Debating on it, mostly debating on how to say it`
`02:46.36`	`Bounty`	`That we should be compensated, players in Diablo 3 get compensated for being lucky in loot drops but we get nothing`
`02:46.46`	`DeadZergling`	`suppose a selfie with your wallet open, declaring where their money should go`
`02:46.55`	`DeadZergling`	`might be too direct`
`02:47.27`	`Bounty`	`For people like me the money would go directly into my means of living`
`02:47.35`	`Bounty`	`For example`
`02:47.49`	`Bounty`	`If I was to start a kicksater, I would set the goal at about 30-40k`
`02:47.59`	`Bounty`	`That is the average people live on`
`02:48.19`	`Bounty`	`and I produce X amount of content promised in the kickstarter`
`02:48.33`	`Bounty`	`very simple imo`
`02:48.45`	`Bounty`	`Thankfully Blizz has said they would help me if I decide to start one`
`02:48.46`	`DeadZergling`	`to keep it simple`
`02:49.04`	`DeadZergling`	`set it at 30k, and have the 40k mark say (Bounty buys a new car)`
`02:49.22`	`DeadZergling`	`you'd be able to deliver on that right away`
`02:49.23`	`Bounty`	`I would honestly set it at 30k`
`02:49.25`	`Bounty`	`personally`
`02:49.31`	`Bounty`	`That is still better than I do now`
`02:49.38`	`Bounty`	`No need to get greedy`
`02:49.42`	`DeadZergling`	`I'd probably be happy at 25-30, be plenty for what I do`
`02:49.48`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`02:49.50`	`Bounty`	`30k is nice`
`02:49.57`	`Bounty`	`40k is middle classish`
`02:50.04`	`Bounty`	`Which is nice but, I don't need that much`
`02:51.02`	`Bounty`	`I'm not a greed person in the sense of money lol`
`02:51.15`	`Bounty`	`Decent life? I'm good`
`02:51.25`	`DeadZergling`	`same, just enough to get by is fine for me`
`02:51.31`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`02:51.34`	`Bounty`	`Idk about you`
`02:51.37`	`Bounty`	`but I get like`
`02:51.44`	`Bounty`	`maybe 1 or 2 gifts for myself a year?`
`02:51.57`	`Bounty`	`Something to splooge on`
`02:52.01`	`Bounty`	`Which is natural`
`02:52.39`	`DeadZergling`	`my idea of a gift for myself is buying pants sometimes`
`02:52.45`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:52.52`	`Bounty`	`I've been using the same pants and shirts for years`
`02:53.03`	`Bounty`	`Still have my Pure Pwnage shirts`
`02:53.07`	`Bounty`	`in good condition`
`02:53.30`	`Bounty`	`don't give a fuck what people at Walmart or Walgreens think of me`
`02:53.52`	`DeadZergling`	`that's good`
`02:53.59`	`DeadZergling`	`because if you did, you'd have some real issues right there`
`02:54.03`	`Bounty`	`if we go out to dinner, I wear something nice, which I only wear when we go out someplace nice so it does not get washed much therefore it does not look like shit`
`02:54.22`	`Bounty`	`for the record`
`02:54.30`	`Bounty`	`To us, Olive Garden and Red Lobster are nice`
`02:54.32`	`Bounty`	`rofl`
`02:55.10`	`proprietarysucks`	`hmmm weird, I have some carriers, after the iterceptors kill a unit, they freeze in midair, then just sit there, and then move on to the next enemy after carrier acquires it`
`02:55.15`	`proprietarysucks`	`what did I mess up`
`02:55.22`	`Bounty`	`But yeah, more people should have this way of thinking dude`
`02:55.32`	`DeadZergling`	`oh no I understand, lol`
`02:56.04`	`DeadZergling`	`my idea of going out a week or two ago was to an indian restaurant, no star rating or anything`
`02:56.09`	`Bounty`	`this is the very thing I consistently "preach", although perhaps I should refrain from using the term communism lol`
`02:56.28`	`DeadZergling`	`communism is a word you can't safely use any more`
`02:56.34`	`proprietarysucks`	`we goin' to wally wally wally wally wally wally WORLD`
`02:56.39`	`Bounty`	`Yeah, I'm starting to realize that`
`02:57.03`	`DeadZergling`	`especially not around purl`
`02:57.08`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:57.11`	`Bounty`	`purl? psh`
`02:57.20`	`Bounty`	`JademusSreg is way more dangerous`
`02:57.31`	`proprietarysucks`	`wally wally wally wally wally wally WORLD... she buyin' BOY SHAWTS, BOY SHAWTS, BOY SHAWTS, BOY SHAWTS.... who's with me`
`02:57.33`	`Bounty`	`Especially when he knows the shit you say`
`02:57.34`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:57.58`	`Bounty`	`Heres the way I've been using the term`
`02:58.10`	`proprietarysucks`	`as probably the only person in here living in a communist country I can say stop talking!`
`02:58.14`	`Bounty`	`Communism to me is a sense of community among humanity, simple as that`
`02:58.38`	`Bounty`	`Need a new word`
`02:58.56`	`Bounty`	`Huamanitism?`
`02:59.07`	`Bounty`	`Humanitism?`
`02:59.08`	`Bounty`	`*`
`02:59.17`	`Bounty`	`Earthism?`
`02:59.42`	`DeadZergling`	`got another one to add to the no list, populism, fascism`
`02:59.47`	`DeadZergling`	`guess that was two :P`
`03:00.36`	`DeadZergling`	`maybe you'll figure out a word for it by the time A1win picks a name for his project`
`03:00.40`	`proprietarysucks`	`so you guys really don't know the song I was singing? that's sad man`
`03:00.57`	`DeadZergling`	`neither of us care for your lyric filled garbage`
`03:01.18`	`proprietarysucks`	`it was relevent to walmart, therefore had to be said`
`03:01.33`	`proprietarysucks`	`only the best music video ever made, possibly`
`03:01.45`	`DeadZergling`	`I'm sure, right next To Friday and Chinese Food`
`03:01.55`	`proprietarysucks`	`I don't know those`
`03:03.43`	`proprietarysucks`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFY0KU2DNAQ if you dare`
`03:04.48`	`DeadZergling`	`you linking me to a porno?`
`03:04.58`	`DeadZergling`	`wants me to sign in to confirm my age`
`03:05.10`	`proprietarysucks`	`it's THAT good`
`03:05.18`	`proprietarysucks`	`not sure youtube has a whole lot of porn`
`03:05.42`	`DeadZergling`	`sounds like need your pants off good to me, so I'm automatically dubious`
`03:05.55`	`DeadZergling`	`not to mention it is about fucking walmart and boy shits`
`03:06.03`	`proprietarysucks`	`boy shawts`
`03:06.07`	`proprietarysucks`	`shorts`
`03:06.33`	`proprietarysucks`	`after you watch it you can be rewarded by watching http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/7bbebcb277/plastic-surgeons-without-borders-from-wondershowzenfan`
`03:07.15`	`Bounty`	`Here you go DeadZergling`
`03:07.25`	`proprietarysucks`	`but if you don't like plastic surgeons without borders then I punish you with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-2SUC-bo_w`
`03:07.32`	`Bounty`	`I think this explanation says a lot about my opinion`
`03:07.58`	`DeadZergling`	`suffered through 30 seconds of that prop`
`03:08.09`	`DeadZergling`	`it is trash softcore porn`
`03:08.17`	`proprietarysucks`	`ok that's enuugh to watch plastic surgeons without borders`
`03:08.40`	`Bounty`	`Last night during the Blizzard Arcade Night, someone from Blizzard mentioned Hive Keeper as a go to game. Which is awesome, good for Bibendus right? The problem is that after saying that he brought up how he had been encouraging him to finish the game for a long time.`
`03:08.51`	`proprietarysucks`	`if you don't like that then you are doomed to watch the last video, but I beg you for your own sake don't try to finish it`
`03:09.00`	`Bounty`	`Has Bibendus received anything in compensation for his 3 years of hard work?`
`03:09.02`	`Bounty`	`No`
`03:09.05`	`Bounty`	`That is my problem`
`03:09.41`	`Bounty`	`They encourage us to develop content for them yet we get nothing, just because they provide the tools.`
`03:09.52`	`proprietarysucks`	`there's someone who is making maps and not getting paid? what the hell?`
`03:09.53`	`Bounty`	`As if intellectual capital means nothing`
`03:10.05`	`Bounty`	`I think I'm the only one getting paid`
`03:10.14`	`Bounty`	`$25 an hour`
`03:10.15`	`proprietarysucks`	`I'm sitting pretty on my stack of starcraft 2 map greenbacks`
`03:10.20`	`proprietarysucks`	`sorry :(`
`03:10.25`	`DeadZergling`	`with the exception of me winning a contest, lol`
`03:10.39`	`Bounty`	`It should not be that way`
`03:10.47`	`Bounty`	`I make decent money doing it now`
`03:10.49`	`DeadZergling`	`and them deciding to back starcraft universe`
`03:10.59`	`Bounty`	`My point is, why am I the only one ?`
`03:11.13`	`Bounty`	`Again, I apologize for giving a shit about my fellow man`
`03:11.15`	`Bounty`	`:)`
`03:11.40`	`Bounty`	`They offered to back me the same way they did SCU`
`03:11.44`	`Bounty`	`and I turned it down`
`03:11.56`	`Bounty`	`Because of what I am working on now`
`03:12.31`	`DeadZergling`	`yea, I'd drop my current job pretty damn fast if I could be modding instead`
`03:12.49`	`DeadZergling`	`as it is now, I can only realistically mod for 3-4 hours a night, and that is at the cost of sleep usually`
`03:12.55`	`proprietarysucks`	`what is your job, ditch digging? hehe`
`03:13.05`	`DeadZergling`	`no worse, regression testing`
`03:13.58`	`proprietarysucks`	`who tricked you into that one`
`03:14.50`	`Bounty`	`I love how this random person insults you`
`03:15.01`	`Bounty`	`for wanting to do something you're good at and passionate about for a living`
`03:15.21`	`Bounty`	`While people like Snooki have made millions doing nothing`
`03:15.27`	`Bounty`	`Yeah...`
`03:16.37`	`proprietarysucks`	`don't be so sensitive`
`03:16.56`	`Bounty`	`Not being sensitive, just saying.`
`03:17.07`	`proprietarysucks`	`he's a tough guy he can handle it`
`03:17.25`	`Bounty`	`He'll handle it in this chatroom well but he knows I am right lol`
`03:17.29`	`proprietarysucks`	`also I'm proud to be a random guy :)`
`03:17.34`	`Bounty`	`Big difference =P`
`03:17.53`	`proprietarysucks`	`I've randomly been here for like 2 years randomly about 1-10 times a week`
`03:17.54`	`Bounty`	`Hey, we're all random guys to Blizzard`
`03:18.14`	`proprietarysucks`	`and it seems like I randomly type garbage into the channel for sure`
`03:18.29`	`proprietarysucks`	`blizz learned their lesson after diablo series I think`
`03:18.39`	`Bounty`	`psh, have you seen the garbage I've said?`
`03:18.41`	`proprietarysucks`	`they don't give a shit at all about their customers`
`03:18.45`	`Bounty`	`We will see`
`03:18.46`	`proprietarysucks`	`just want the moneys`
`03:18.50`	`Bounty`	`Their best move will be`
`03:19.02`	`Bounty`	`After eliminating the D3 auction house`
`03:19.14`	`Bounty`	`to monetize the SC2 Developers`
`03:19.22`	`Bounty`	`Which I approve of`
`03:19.33`	`Bounty`	`The same way you are charged for using the Unreal engine`
`03:19.37`	`Bounty`	`blizz takes a cut etc`
`03:19.38`	`DeadZergling`	`well I think most this channel would approve of it`
`03:19.43`	`Bounty`	`no`
`03:19.57`	`Bounty`	`Thats why I'm so angry most of the time DeadZergling`
`03:19.58`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`03:20.02`	`Bounty`	`They don't`
`03:20.06`	`proprietarysucks`	`approve of what`
`03:20.09`	`Bounty`	`They consider this shit a hobby for some reason`
`03:20.33`	`proprietarysucks`	`wonders what it's supposed to be considered`
`03:20.42`	`DeadZergling`	`random insults and the attention span of a cheese sandwich, the winning combination proprietarysucks`
`03:20.51`	`proprietarysucks`	`it's a video game. you remember that factoid right?`
`03:21.03`	`Bounty`	`To me, a hobby is something you do that has no benefit to anyone else but yourself. The moment you begin to provide entertainment for others is the moment it should not be referred to as a hobby and it should be monetized`
`03:21.10`	`DeadZergling`	`isn't just a video game for them`
`03:21.13`	`DeadZergling`	`it is a lot of money`
`03:21.30`	`Bounty`	`Playing a guitar is a hobby`
`03:21.37`	`proprietarysucks`	`this train of thought is rediculous mostly`
`03:21.38`	`Bounty`	`But if you're good at it and people want to listen to you play it`
`03:21.41`	`Bounty`	`You monetize it`
`03:21.45`	`Bounty`	`Same fucking thing`
`03:21.46`	`proprietarysucks`	`take your head out of starcraft and look around at the world`
`03:22.01`	`proprietarysucks`	`there are millions of softwares, and tons of them allow for plugins to be developed`
`03:22.12`	`proprietarysucks`	`your example makes no sense`
`03:22.21`	`Bounty`	`Really?`
`03:22.26`	`proprietarysucks`	`it's like if you made a fax plugin for photoshop and then complained that adobe didn't pay you`
`03:22.37`	`proprietarysucks`	`why would they? it's your job to monetize it, not theirs`
`03:22.49`	`Bounty`	`To bad you can't monetize mods`
`03:23.16`	`proprietarysucks`	`if only there was a way to stop spending your time on something that can't easily be monetized`
`03:23.22`	`Bounty`	`I laugh my fucking ass off at people who actually defend this shit`
`03:23.27`	`proprietarysucks`	`some way to stop yourself from investing time into a video game`
`03:23.36`	`Bounty`	`I'll see you in the next 10 years when shit hits the fan`
`03:23.39`	`proprietarysucks`	`alas, there is no possible way to stop doing something once you've started`
`03:24.02`	`proprietarysucks`	`I'm not defending blizzard at all, I quite think the company is a piece of shit mostly`
`03:24.13`	`proprietarysucks`	`with some quite good games`
`03:24.18`	`proprietarysucks`	`and some I don't care for`
`03:24.19`	`Bounty`	`Then what are you saying?`
`03:24.33`	`DeadZergling`	`someone had to oppose you Bounty :P`
`03:24.41`	`Bounty`	`Seems that way DeadZergling`
`03:24.41`	`DeadZergling`	`he is answering the call`
`03:24.42`	`proprietarysucks`	`I'm saying what you're asking for is very strange in the context of software`
`03:24.48`	`Bounty`	`Even when people agree they argue`
`03:25.03`	`Bounty`	`I'm asking for it in the sense of the Arcade`
`03:25.11`	`proprietarysucks`	`I think what is more logical would be for them to hire people to make maps`
`03:25.16`	`proprietarysucks`	`not for them to pay people who already have`
`03:25.23`	`Bounty`	`I agree`
`03:25.24`	`proprietarysucks`	`unless it's some kind of mapping contest or something`
`03:25.29`	`Bounty`	`problem with that is`
`03:25.35`	`Bounty`	`There is no profit in hiring people to make maps`
`03:25.40`	`proprietarysucks`	`right`
`03:25.42`	`Bounty`	`with the Arcade going FTP`
`03:25.44`	`Bounty`	`So`
`03:25.47`	`Bounty`	`you take a cut`
`03:25.50`	`Bounty`	`out of sales`
`03:25.51`	`proprietarysucks`	`just like there's no profit in paying people who have already made maps`
`03:25.53`	`Bounty`	`like D3 AH`
`03:26.05`	`Bounty`	`They will learn`
`03:26.10`	`proprietarysucks`	`the thing they're removing because everyone hates it`
`03:26.21`	`Bounty`	`the amount of money they could make with the editor is astounding`
`03:26.26`	`Bounty`	`Much more than the D3 AH`
`03:26.39`	`proprietarysucks`	`alright I feel like you're just being silly`
`03:26.54`	`Bounty`	`Maybe I am`
`03:26.58`	`proprietarysucks`	`charging micropayments on something than any idiot can click a few times to pay you is one thing`
`03:27.11`	`Bounty`	`I mean, best I can say about the shit I say is its opinion lol`
`03:27.13`	`Bounty`	`I could be wrong`
`03:27.27`	`Bounty`	`But I just feel that some of the people in this community are worth more than $0`
`03:27.29`	`proprietarysucks`	`monetizing something as confusing and complicated as the editor would be quite hard to compete with that scale`
`03:27.47`	`Bounty`	`We make less than Walmart cashiers`
`03:27.58`	`Repo`	`New asset: Texture collection - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/texture-collection/`
`03:28.01`	`proprietarysucks`	`yes they are, but that's not blizzard's responsibility dude, why would they pay some random people to make maps when they know the people will do it anyway?`
`03:28.05`	`proprietarysucks`	`just doesn't make sense to me`
`03:28.08`	`Bounty`	`and do 1000% more mental work`
`03:28.25`	`Bounty`	`They don't need to pay anyone`
`03:28.28`	`proprietarysucks`	`if blizzard offered to pay me to make maps it would change the amount of map making I do by 0-5%`
`03:28.29`	`Bounty`	`I agree with you on that`
`03:28.33`	`Bounty`	`If they literally paid us`
`03:28.35`	`Bounty`	`That would be silly`
`03:28.38`	`Bounty`	`BUT`
`03:28.43`	`proprietarysucks`	`then what the hell are you talking about`
`03:28.44`	`Bounty`	`What is the hold up on the marketplace?`
`03:28.49`	`Bounty`	`Charging for maps`
`03:28.58`	`Bounty`	`That Blizzard accepts are good enough to pay for`
`03:29.21`	`Bounty`	`There is no legal bullshit`
`03:29.22`	`proprietarysucks`	`so you're talking about an itunes model`
`03:29.31`	`proprietarysucks`	`I'd rather an android market model if you went that way`
`03:29.32`	`Bounty`	`They have it set up.. for the most part`
`03:29.56`	`Bounty`	`I don't agree with their popularity system still`
`03:30.00`	`Bounty`	`but the point is`
`03:30.05`	`proprietarysucks`	`ok now you're just rambling off`
`03:30.08`	`Bounty`	`There is no reason the marketplace should not be here`
`03:30.13`	`proprietarysucks`	`yes I agree the current system is very stupid`
`03:30.25`	`proprietarysucks`	`sc1 system was better in many ways for ums makers`
`03:30.29`	`Bounty`	`I'm not rambling, just just making that known`
`03:30.43`	`Bounty`	`the popularity system could be debated for days`
`03:30.45`	`Bounty`	`so skip that`
`03:30.51`	`Bounty`	`back to the monetization`
`03:31.01`	`Bounty`	`There is no reason the Marketplace is not here`
`03:31.08`	`proprietarysucks`	`let me ask you this though`
`03:31.22`	`proprietarysucks`	`if you make a map and charge $5 for it why couldn't I just post it as my own for free`
`03:31.35`	`proprietarysucks`	`or modify it slightly and charge for it, for that matter`
`03:31.46`	`Bounty`	`They found legal reasons to be able to sell virtually items found in a virtual world but could not find a way to sell intellectual ideas/concepts in a virtual world?`
`03:32.03`	`proprietarysucks`	`I don't think anyone is saying they cant`
`03:32.07`	`Bounty`	`That kind of the point though right?`
`03:32.15`	`Bounty`	`I mean I see what you're getting at`
`03:32.21`	`Bounty`	`Intellectual property`
`03:32.41`	`Bounty`	`You do bring up a good point and honestly, this is the first time someone has responded to this with that`
`03:32.43`	`Bounty`	`which is nice`
`03:33.00`	`proprietarysucks`	`no I'm getting at if I'm player x and I see Green TD for $5 and Gre3n TD for $0 I'm going for Gre3n TD, especially when the description says: it's green td`
`03:33.03`	`DeadZergling`	`Bounty has this argument, quite often, you see`
`03:33.37`	`proprietarysucks`	`if you play anyone's map once you can just repost it as your own`
`03:33.40`	`Bounty`	`The solution to that would be one of 2 things`
`03:33.46`	`proprietarysucks`	`there's no kind of security other than the name of it on bnet`
`03:33.50`	`Bounty`	`Either your map is impossible to replicate for free`
`03:33.55`	`Bounty`	`in that it is truly worthy`
`03:34.07`	`proprietarysucks`	`I'm not talking about me remaking your map`
`03:34.12`	`Bounty`	`Or you need special protection from Blizzard for your new "spinoff" of a TD`
`03:34.23`	`proprietarysucks`	`I'm talking about me spending 10 minutes re-publishing it`
`03:34.29`	`Bounty`	`Remaking it`
`03:34.30`	`Bounty`	`I know`
`03:34.36`	`Bounty`	`Thats what I'm responding to`
`03:34.38`	`Bounty`	`no worries`
`03:34.39`	`Bounty`	`:)`
`03:34.46`	`proprietarysucks`	`"Either your map is impossible to replicate for free"`
`03:34.51`	`proprietarysucks`	`I don't understand that then ^`
`03:34.58`	`Bounty`	`replicate`
`03:35.02`	`Bounty`	`remake in the editor from scratch`
`03:35.08`	`Bounty`	`not copy paste`
`03:35.19`	`proprietarysucks`	`that's an odd thing to say`
`03:35.24`	`Bounty`	`Look dude`
`03:35.28`	`proprietarysucks`	`that's like saying if you can't recreate an mp3`
`03:35.32`	`proprietarysucks`	`well, don't need to, just copy it`
`03:35.32`	`Bounty`	`You wanna settle this in Mario Kart 7?`
`03:35.37`	`Bounty`	`Rainbow Road son`
`03:35.47`	`proprietarysucks`	`there's 7 of them now?`
`03:35.54`	`Bounty`	`on 3DS yeah`
`03:35.55`	`proprietarysucks`	`way to make me feel old bro`
`03:35.59`	`Bounty`	`same`
`03:36.04`	`Bounty`	`Did not even know we were up to 7`
`03:36.08`	`Bounty`	`until this one`
`03:36.10`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`03:36.23`	`proprietarysucks`	`there's no settling because it's not an argument I'm just contesting your ideas`
`03:36.35`	`proprietarysucks`	`all in all I care 0 about what they do`
`03:37.09`	`proprietarysucks`	`if they had actual server side for everything this would be a lot more practical`
`03:37.30`	`proprietarysucks`	`their idea to copy everything to the client is shit for things like this`
`03:37.44`	`proprietarysucks`	`it is nice for their servers' sakes but makes stuff like this hard`
`03:38.23`	`proprietarysucks`	`just like banks, maps have 0 protection, and since there's a server-client interaction now, you can't even break them to map protect them anymore, as I understand it`
`03:39.50`	`proprietarysucks`	`look at the rhel/centos relationship, if you know computers, there are some parellels`
`03:40.04`	`proprietarysucks`	`most people just use centos because it's rhel but free`
`03:40.44`	`proprietarysucks`	`to truly monetize a map like you're saying they would have to basically have licenses for every map and do everything server side licensewise`
`03:41.26`	`proprietarysucks`	`the other way is to do an itunes type of system where they can turn down your maps for being not original enough or any reason`
`03:41.52`	`proprietarysucks`	`which will immediately force it to only apply to the 'best' map makers possibly`
`03:42.12`	`proprietarysucks`	`anyway I'm just riffing here`
`03:44.19`	`ArcanePariah`	`To add to this, intellectual property is a legal fiction, since by pure supply demand (and this excerbated by the very nature of computers), all intellectual endeavors have a marginal cost of 0, all the cost is built in to the first sale`
`03:44.45`	`ArcanePariah`	`To make a map valuable you must provide something that has a non marginal cost`
`03:45.09`	`ArcanePariah`	`In the case of the RHEL/CentOS comparision, RHEL offers their service and expertise`
`03:45.22`	`ArcanePariah`	`which can not be easily duplicated and has a non marginal cost`
`03:46.49`	`ArcanePariah`	`Games do not really work well under a captialist mentality, they are best done in a patronage style arrangement, which is similar to the iTunes example`
`03:58.33`	`Qarry`	`Ahli, everyone hates me. =)`
`03:58.37`	`Qarry`	`=(*`
`04:00.00`	`DeadZergling`	`that's nice Lajila`
`04:00.06`	`DeadZergling`	`cool story bro`
`04:00.27`	`DeadZergling`	`anyways, I'm outta here for now, later. Don't start yourself on fire too much Bounty.`
`04:00.34`	`*** join/#sc2mapster proprietarysucks (proprietar@198.96.89.93)`
`04:01.35`	`Ahli`	`Qarry: why is that?`
`04:01.52`	`Ahli`	`did you steal their alcohol?`
`04:02.12`	`Qarry`	`Ahli, I don't know man`
`04:02.17`	`Qarry`	`Destiny even mentioned me on stream that he hates me`
`04:02.23`	`Qarry`	`It hurt...`
`04:02.37`	`Ahli`	`well, what did you do?`
`04:02.51`	`Ahli`	`people don't hate you without any kind of reason.`
`04:03.39`	`Ahli`	`people like destiny just spread that because they have an audience (in case random people send you hate messages).`
`04:03.56`	`Kueken`	`well, if you mention like 10 times a day that everyone hates you, eventually it will happen :D`
`04:04.51`	`Kueken`	`and my guess would be, it has to do with your annoyance outbursts caused by excessive boredom`
`04:04.54`	`Kueken`	`just a theory`
`04:05.10`	`rtschutter`	`dayum`
`04:05.39`	`Ahli`	`rtschutter: did you try the extension mods on the ptr already?`
`04:05.50`	`Qarry`	`Ahli I make a lot of stupid posts according to him`
`04:05.53`	`Qarry`	`Kueken, hmm`
`04:05.59`	`rtschutter`	`yes ahli`
`04:06.02`	`Qarry`	`Yes, I am excessively bored.`
`04:06.09`	`Qarry`	`Like now`
`04:06.11`	`Qarry`	`I can't sleep.`
`04:06.14`	`Qarry`	`I can't sleep..`
`04:06.18`	`Qarry`	`Too much koffee`
`04:06.23`	`Ahli`	`imgur kills a lot of time`
`04:06.31`	`Kueken`	`try reading a book`
`04:06.35`	`Kueken`	`or masturbating`
`04:06.40`	`Qarry`	`Hmm`
`04:06.46`	`rtschutter`	`GameHeart going to be annoying to convert into extension mods because they didn't add a default observer ID like I requested =(`
`04:06.48`	`Kueken`	`maybe combine the 2`
`04:06.56`	`rtschutter`	`not yet anyways`
`04:07.02`	`Qarry`	`I am at the moment reading something about implementing fucntional language compilers and am listening to a review of a STar Trek film`
`04:07.04`	`Qarry`	`Still bored`
`04:07.06`	`Ahli`	`rtschutter: =/`
`04:07.13`	`Qarry`	`Itś not that interesting.`
`04:07.34`	`Ahli`	`I've some funny problem in sc2, too... http://i.snag.gy/4cHhf.jpg`
`04:07.35`	`Qarry`	`THere are like two opposing forces in my life, one is a drive to create stuff, the other is a drive to leave no trace of ever having existed`
`04:07.45`	`Qarry`	`So I tend to destroy everything I create`
`04:08.37`	`rtschutter`	`hmm`
`04:08.42`	`rtschutter`	`ahli using only english locale?`
`04:09.13`	`Qarry`	`rtschutter, did you know that Ahli misuses the gender of girl in German.`
`04:09.17`	`Ahli`	`rtschutter: yes, but that shouldn't have anything to do with that :D`
`04:09.25`	`Qarry`	`It is grammatically neuter yet she treats it like feminine.`
`04:09.33`	`rtschutter`	`just thinking of things that can be different between editor and battle.net`
`04:09.33`	`Qarry`	`Kueken can corroborate just how wrong this is.`
`04:09.41`	`rtschutter`	`graphics settings maybe as well`
`04:09.43`	`Qarry`	`rtschutter are you even listening/`
`04:09.48`	`rtschutter`	`had a similar issue with logos in ghlight`
`04:09.52`	`Ahli`	`not that story again >_>`
`04:09.53`	`rtschutter`	`solved by graphics settings`
`04:10.01`	`Qarry`	`Ahli, I am so sorry.`
`04:10.06`	`Qarry`	`Please do not hate me.`
`04:10.11`	`Qarry`	`I cannot sleep`
`04:10.13`	`Qarry`	`I am just fans`
`04:10.17`	`Qarry`	`I have no liiiiiiive`
`04:10.25`	`Qarry`	`So please support the official release of gameheart`
`04:10.28`	`Qarry`	`Buy DVD's`
`04:10.38`	`Ahli`	`are you drunk?`
`04:10.39`	`Qarry`	`Or watch on TV`
`04:10.43`	`Qarry`	`Don't watch for freeeee`
`04:10.47`	`Qarry`	`Illegallllyyy`
`04:10.55`	`Qarry`	`I don't drink`
`04:10.59`	`Qarry`	`But I can't sleep`
`04:11.06`	`Qarry`	`I've been awake for like 2 days now`
`04:11.08`	`Qarry`	`It like ehh`
`04:11.13`	`Qarry`	`Makes the mind go southwards`
`04:11.35`	`Ahli`	`then the problem is ... why don't you sleep when you have nothing that keeps you awake?`
`04:11.43`	`Qarry`	`Insomnia`
`04:11.49`	`ArcanePariah`	`Ahli, ca you clarify the problem in your picure`
`04:11.51`	`ArcanePariah`	`?`
`04:11.54`	`Qarry`	`If I could`
`04:11.55`	`Qarry`	`then I would`
`04:12.03`	`Qarry`	`I'd go wherever sleep would go.`
`04:12.46`	`Ahli`	`ArcanePariah: first 2 pictures in that picture: one is battle.net, one is editor test... they are not identical as the actor is visible on battle.net for some reason`
`04:13.11`	`rtschutter`	`are you certain your graphics settings are the same between the two?`
`04:13.17`	`rtschutter`	`particularly the effects setting`
`04:13.25`	`ArcanePariah`	`Are we talking the blood splat in the first, right in front of the character?`
`04:13.38`	`Ahli`	`the one that is below the wall`
`04:13.52`	`Ahli`	`I made a big frame around it`
`04:14.01`	`ArcanePariah`	`Hmm... I can't see it in either lol`
`04:14.11`	`Qarry`	`knudelt Ahli`
`04:16.55`	`ArcanePariah`	`Also, semi dumb question, are you trying to hide actors within a certain area of another actor?`
`04:17.45`	`Ahli`	`I'm using the same area for 2 dungeon levels`
`04:18.02`	`Ahli`	`most dungeon elements are units. Some of them are just actors`
`04:18.24`	`Ahli`	`When I load a level onto the map, I show all actors in the region and hide the actors that belong to the other level`
`04:19.02`	`Qarry`	`Ahli, you always ignore me`
`04:19.07`	`Qarry`	`THere are many things you can learn from me you know`
`04:19.29`	`ArcanePariah`	`Hmm... I would say, use a state monitor actor to flip actors between the two levels`
`04:19.54`	`ArcanePariah`	`And give that state monitor actor to all actors on the levels (actor macro perhaps)`
`04:20.19`	`ArcanePariah`	`Instead of using triggers`
`04:20.21`	`Ahli`	`Qarry: how did you expect me to have responded to that?`
`04:20.41`	`Qarry`	`Ahli, I don't know`
`04:20.45`	`Qarry`	`I just love you som uch`
`04:20.46`	`ArcanePariah`	`Another option would be to use a List Actor`
`04:20.50`	`Qarry`	`And you barely notice that I'm here.`
`04:21.03`	`Ahli`	`well, it works fine in the editor... this is merely a bug report... the problem is not critical`
`04:21.32`	`ArcanePariah`	`And add all the actors created for Level 1 to one list actor and all the others to another, and do a send message to the list, would probably remove the trigger needs`
`04:22.04`	`Qarry`	`The Finnish word for actor is näyttelijä`
`04:22.12`	`Qarry`	`Which comes from näytella which means to act`
`04:22.16`	`ArcanePariah`	`I apologize for the tangent, I'm sadly always in the mindset of how to possibly improve stuff`
`04:22.24`	`Qarry`	`Which comes from näyttää which means to make visible`
`04:22.34`	`Ahli`	`no problem for that :D I didn't know about the list actor, though ^^`
`04:22.36`	`Qarry`	`Which comes from näkyä which means to be visible`
`04:22.37`	`ArcanePariah`	`As for your bug, the only thing I can think of is graphics settings`
`04:22.41`	`Qarry`	`which comes from nähdä which means to see`
`04:22.47`	`Qarry`	`Funky, isn't it?`
`04:22.52`	`ArcanePariah`	`But yeah, what you describes sounds like a perfect use of list actors`
`04:22.59`	`Ahli`	`well, the graphic settings shouldn't matter for "set Visible".`
`04:23.04`	`ArcanePariah`	`True`
`04:24.12`	`Ahli`	`and I noticed that the same problem exists for 2.0.11, too ^^`
`04:24.19`	`Ahli`	`I should play my map more on bnet :D`
`04:25.09`	`ArcanePariah`	`But yeah... I was just poking at the editor trying to find the new tooltips, and was looking at list actors. What I would probably do is on load of the area, use a Query Actor to get all actors in the area, and add them to the list actor`
`04:25.16`	`ArcanePariah`	`Would be the most efficient method`
`04:26.42`	`turtles1`	`JademusSreg are you still here? 12 hours ago you said you created an example code to answer my question`
`04:26.51`	`turtles1`	`You can't leave me hanging like this man!`
`04:26.56`	`turtles1`	`(not to nag)`
`04:28.21`	`turtles1`	`also to answer you question from before - no There will not be an "unreasonable" amount of starting locations. Probably 6 at most`
`04:35.11`	`ArcanePariah`	`Finally understand how targeting cursors place that little grey thing around units in an aoe`
`04:35.17`	`ArcanePariah`	`Quite interesting`
`04:36.50`	`ArcanePariah`	`Has anyone written any decent guide to Actors, especially advanced ones like Regions/Queries/Query Response?`
`04:37.25`	`Ahli`	`yes, you, by tomorrow :D`
`04:37.30`	`ArcanePariah`	`LOL`
`04:37.34`	`ArcanePariah`	`Yes Sir`
`04:37.49`	`ArcanePariah`	`(FML.... why did I volunteer....)`
`04:37.54`	`ArcanePariah`	`XD`
`04:37.55`	`Ahli`	`you wanted to do something like that a few days/weeks before`
`04:38.11`	`ArcanePariah`	`Yeah, now I probably actually have time/inclination`
`04:38.18`	`Ahli`	`I lost track of time while learning for my exam... can't remember`
`04:38.38`	`ArcanePariah`	`Yeah, end of term does that... along with alcohol I hear`
`04:38.48`	`ArcanePariah`	`So combined... I imagine you have no sense of time anymore :D`
`04:38.52`	`Ahli`	`well, it's not end of term for me ^^`
`04:39.03`	`Ahli`	`more like... right in the middle of it`
`04:39.14`	`ArcanePariah`	`Same deal, diff time of year :P`
`04:39.22`	`Ahli`	`;D`
`04:42.31`	`ArcanePariah`	`But in all seriousness, does no one have a decent grasp of actors?`
`04:43.08`	`Necromoni`	`buunch of workarounds`
`04:43.19`	`Necromoni`	`does that count`
`04:43.23`	`Ahli`	`uhm, jade... kueken... you seem to be very good with them, too... the guy in the forums that is never in this irc`
`04:43.24`	`Necromoni`	`lol`
`04:43.30`	`ArcanePariah`	`Not really Necromoni`
`04:43.53`	`Ahli`	`renee might be good, too`
`04:43.54`	`ArcanePariah`	`I just spent the last 10 months stripping NotD code down because of that...`
`04:44.14`	`Necromoni`	`:P`
`04:44.27`	`Kueken`	`someone pinged me`
`04:44.33`	`Kueken`	`pings back`
`04:44.37`	`Necromoni`	`it is in red`
`04:44.43`	`Ahli`	`so, nearly 6am... time to sleep... because I can :D`
`04:44.55`	`ArcanePariah`	`And hate to drag Ahli into this, but it looks like he is using trigger code to selectively hide actors in a region.... which can be done with 2 actors and not the seemingly 50+ lines of code he has`
`04:44.57`	`Ahli`	`my irc doesn't make sounds... you can't ping me kueken`
`04:45.07`	`Kueken`	`pings Ahli`
`04:45.15`	`ArcanePariah`	`pings everyone`
`04:45.21`	`ArcanePariah`	`wins the channel`
`04:45.31`	`Kueken`	`penis`
`04:45.35`	`ArcanePariah`	`dick`
`04:46.01`	`Ahli`	`I'm not selectively hide actors in a region... I'm hiding all and show a few... hiding all is required anyway, since I need to hide the snapshots (as they caused huge FPS costs in the past)`
`04:47.00`	`ArcanePariah`	`In that case... set the flag on all of them to be created invisible?`
`04:47.07`	`ArcanePariah`	`I think theres a flag for that`
`04:47.15`	`Ahli`	`why would I do that?`
`04:48.04`	`ArcanePariah`	`Because you said you need to hide them all... why not start with all hidden then reveal the necessary ones?`
`04:48.28`	`Ahli`	`they are visible while the dungeon is active and when they are spawned...`
`04:48.40`	`Ahli`	`it's perfectly fine as it is`
`04:48.49`	`Ahli`	`it just would need to work on battle.net, too ^^`
`04:49.08`	`ArcanePariah`	`In any case, list actor, add each levels actors to 2 diff lists, then send set visible to ::Contents, presto :D`
`04:50.06`	`Ahli`	`I might try that instead of using message to all + status term`
`04:50.21`	`Ahli`	`anyway, good night/morning/day/whatever`
`04:50.30`	`ArcanePariah`	`Mhmm, sleep well`
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`05:02.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Phew.`
`05:04.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Seems I missed a stimulating discussion.`
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`05:36.42`	`ArcanePariah`	`I was explaining list actors to Ahli`
`05:39.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Appeared exasperated toward the end. =D`
`05:40.01`	`ArcanePariah`	`Probably tired`
`05:40.37`	`ArcanePariah`	`And yeah, I'm not sure it is entirely encouraging when you spend a fair amount of time/effort on something, just to have someone point out a small tool that makes all the work seem wasted`
`05:40.54`	`ArcanePariah`	`In his case, wanted to hide a set of actors`
`05:41.08`	`ArcanePariah`	`So was doing some kind of switch, and other stuff I think`
`05:41.18`	`ArcanePariah`	`List actor makes it a single line`
`05:41.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Yar.`
`05:42.19`	`ArcanePariah`	`2 things of note from me. Most of the actor tooltips are for the multitude of drop down menus for various actor messages`
`05:42.36`	`ArcanePariah`	`and 2nd, I finally understand how actor queries mostly work`
`05:42.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Yay`
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`05:43.02`	`Bounty`	`Pew`
`05:43.04`	`ArcanePariah`	`Has no one else tried to understand them?`
`05:43.18`	`Bounty`	`alright, anyone have a 3DS and Mario Kart 7 wanna race? :)`
`05:44.07`	`JademusSreg`	`And that's useful, given how actors are treated as some inscrutable, arcane ritual. Tips for the messages will help quite a bit.`
`05:44.52`	`ArcanePariah`	`Well it is not entirely for the messages, just parts of them, but still. And I do like the new tooltips... if you can call them that. Most are paragraphs or longer`
`05:45.20`	`ArcanePariah`	`Holy shit....`
`05:45.36`	`ArcanePariah`	`I just looked at the Scope field for actors (Host, Host for properties, etc.)`
`05:45.48`	`ArcanePariah`	`It now has... a tooltip... more like a wall of text crit me`
`05:45.50`	`Bounty`	`JademusSreg`
`05:45.56`	`Bounty`	`Mario Kart 7 foo?`
`05:46.20`	`JademusSreg`	`???`
`05:46.39`	`Bounty`	`Take that as you do not have Mario Kart 7`
`05:46.40`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`05:47.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Don't have a 3DS either.`
`05:47.35`	`Bounty`	`I just got one a few days ago, self bought xmas gift lol`
`05:47.57`	`Bounty`	`You should get one, Mario Kart is a big stress reliever`
`05:48.04`	`turtles1`	`JademusSreg: did you manage to find a way to get all the possible starting locations?`
`05:48.04`	`turtles1`	`If not an example code I would just like to know how you were doing it.`
`05:48.09`	`Bounty`	`Especially when you beat a Japanese player on Rainbow Road`
`05:48.19`	`turtles1`	`and there would only be about 6-8 max starting positions per map`
`05:48.30`	`turtles1`	`mostly either 2 or 4`
`05:48.38`	`JademusSreg`	`turt, I was kept busy most of the afternoon, but I have some. =D`
`05:49.31`	`turtles1`	`great! I just don't want to waste your time getting you to write a full example if it is a simple solution`
`05:49.54`	`ArcanePariah`	`It appears that every possible drop down menu of options in actors was given a tooltip`
`05:49.55`	`JademusSreg`	`It's actually just one line shy of complete.`
`05:50.10`	`turtles1`	`Also we were misunderstanding eachother a lot earlier. So I would hate to see work go to waste if there is another misunderstanding`
`05:50.48`	`turtles1`	`that's cool. I've got today off so I'm going to be just dicking around all day`
`05:51.03`	`turtles1`	`and maybe doing some map creating`
`05:52.06`	`JademusSreg`	`https://pastee.org/n53x5`
`05:52.55`	`Bounty`	`JademusSreg`
`05:53.00`	`Bounty`	`get a 3DS`
`05:53.11`	`Bounty`	`and Mario Kart 7 :)`
`05:53.16`	`Bounty`	`I would like to pew pew you`
`05:53.31`	`JademusSreg`	`(Note, I assumed there wouldn't be more than 16 start locations.)`
`05:56.04`	`ArcanePariah`	`So yeah... not a ton of tooltips, but important ones, and also quite descriptive, explains where 10k words of tooltips came from`
`05:56.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Bounty, erotic as that sounds, just don't much care for consoles or handhelds. Why get such a device when one has a lovely computer? =D`
`05:56.55`	`Kueken`	`yay, 3 years in and we finally get tooltips :D`
`05:57.01`	`JademusSreg`	`HAhaha`
`05:57.37`	`Bounty`	`Same reason I did JademusSreg`
`05:57.39`	`Bounty`	`nintendo games`
`05:57.40`	`JademusSreg`	`turt, that paste is a potential solution to your issue.`
`05:57.41`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`05:58.42`	`JademusSreg`	`It's the reverse for me; I sometimes say "Oh, Fire Emblem, that sounds neat... oh wait, nevermind, it's Nintendo, so I'll basically never play it."`
`06:01.16`	`Bounty`	`da fuck`
`06:01.20`	`Bounty`	`what kind of logic is that`
`06:01.22`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`06:01.26`	`Bounty`	`Nintendo games to me are`
`06:01.36`	`Bounty`	`Fun, and something to release stresss`
`06:01.38`	`Bounty`	`:)`
`06:01.38`	`turtles1`	`JademsSreg: Thanks man. Yeah, I discovered the pointbyname function just a few days ago`
`06:01.50`	`turtles1`	`this solution should work 90% of the time`
`06:02.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Unless someone renames a start loc for no good damn reason.`
`06:02.09`	`turtles1`	`but it rellies on there being a consistent naming convention which map makers are using`
`06:02.23`	`JademusSreg`	`In which case, just code to identify the pattern. =D`
`06:02.27`	`turtles1`	`sometimes they are`
`06:02.34`	`turtles1`	`for example non english people`
`06:02.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh, that reminds me.`
`06:02.57`	`turtles1`	`usually name them something in their native tongue`
`06:03.34`	`turtles1`	`A lot of the GSL maps etc have starting positions named in korean`
`06:03.37`	`JademusSreg`	`One could also iterate the points using PointFromId.`
`06:04.06`	`turtles1`	`I could try looking for the patterns in other languages to pick up a few more edge cases`
`06:04.17`	`ArcanePariah`	`I'm curious, what are we attempting to do?`
`06:04.26`	`turtles1`	`PointfromId..... hmmm never heard of it`
`06:04.32`	`turtles1`	`will have to look into it`
`06:04.46`	`JademusSreg`	`(Except determining if they are actual start points instead of other editor placed points would be problematic.)`
`06:04.51`	`turtles1`	`we are attempting to find all of the possible player start locations on a map`
`06:05.02`	`turtles1`	`in code`
`06:05.13`	`turtles1`	`but do so in a way that is map independent`
`06:05.25`	`turtles1`	`independent of the terrain file I mean`
`06:05.46`	`JademusSreg`	`In WC3, they some silly index based natives, here one may suddenly miss them. =D`
`06:05.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, that's done. Sleep time.`
`06:06.07`	`turtles1`	`happy sleep time JademusSreg`
`06:06.14`	`ArcanePariah`	`Ummm there is a function to get the point of a start location by player...`
`06:06.21`	`turtles1`	`nononono`
`06:06.22`	`ArcanePariah`	`So loop through all players`
`06:06.26`	`turtles1`	`nonononono`
`06:06.27`	`turtles1`	`no`
`06:06.29`	`turtles1`	`nono`
`06:06.42`	`ArcanePariah`	`Ok, then what are we finding again?`
`06:06.50`	`turtles1`	`there can be X players and Y possible starting locations`
`06:06.54`	`turtles1`	`x != y`
`06:06.59`	`turtles1`	`x <= Y`
`06:07.37`	`ArcanePariah`	`Umm the function returns the start points of the player as defined by the map (placed start points)`
`06:07.57`	`ArcanePariah`	`Unless it is horribly wrong in its functionality`
`06:08.14`	`turtles1`	`I am not after the starting point of the player`
`06:08.28`	`turtles1`	`I am after ALL of the POSSIBLE starting points of a player`
`06:08.35`	`turtles1`	`take any map for example`
`06:08.38`	`turtles1`	`metalopolis`
`06:08.42`	`turtles1`	`4 spawn map`
`06:08.45`	`turtles1`	`2 players`
`06:08.47`	`ArcanePariah`	`Which is defined by the points placed in terrain editor yes?`
`06:08.56`	`ArcanePariah`	`so 4, 6, 8, etc.?`
`06:08.58`	`turtles1`	`I am not after the starting location of the two players`
`06:09.11`	`ArcanePariah`	`Correct, you are after the starting points possible`
`06:09.23`	`ArcanePariah`	`The function does that, just loop blindly though 16`
`06:09.34`	`ArcanePariah`	`if there isn't one, it shouldj ust do nothing`
`06:09.48`	`ArcanePariah`	`Let me give it a test`
`06:10.02`	`turtles1`	`What would "starting position of player(3) return if there are only two players?`
`06:10.21`	`turtles1`	`you are assuming that it assigns starting positions to players that don't exist?`
`06:10.39`	`turtles1`	`I mean, I don't know if it does that or not but I don't see any reason why it would`
`06:11.32`	`ArcanePariah`	`I'm assuming the game has starting points for each player`
`06:11.56`	`turtles1`	`so if it were a 4 spawn map with two players`
`06:12.24`	`turtles1`	`you think it likely that players 1-4 would get starting positions and 5-14 would not`
`06:12.37`	`turtles1`	`even though only players 1-2 exist in the game`
`06:12.46`	`turtles1`	`maybe? maybe not?`
`06:12.50`	`ArcanePariah`	`Ok, I get what you are saying, the function will return the actual assigned point when the map starts, so will only give back 1 value`
`06:12.50`	`turtles1`	`will have to be tested`
`06:13.02`	`ArcanePariah`	`Also, is there no function to test the type of point?`
`06:13.10`	`turtles1`	`not that I know of`
`06:14.05`	`turtles1`	`which is why we were talking about the function "getpointbyname"`
`06:14.15`	`turtles1`	`but rellies on consistent naming conventions`
`06:14.25`	`turtles1`	`which is true about 85% of the time`
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`06:21.53`	`ArcanePariah`	`Small question, is this a general purpose solution or purely for melee maps?`
`06:22.34`	`turtles1`	`It is for a mod which is to be applied to melee maps.`
`06:22.55`	`turtles1`	`Previously I would apply it, link up the starting points in the code and republish the map`
`06:23.14`	`turtles1`	`but Blizzard recently made a massive change in the way users can use mods`
`06:23.33`	`ArcanePariah`	`Yes, you making an extension mod`
`06:23.35`	`Bounty`	`I swear, the 3DS was the best purchase I've made in a loong time`
`06:23.45`	`Bounty`	`Especially when compared to my vita`
`06:23.46`	`turtles1`	`They could pick a map and chose to apply the mod to it themselves`
`06:23.58`	`ArcanePariah`	`Mmhmm, I've been dicking around with a few myself, fun times`
`06:24.01`	`turtles1`	`even on GSL maps etcetc which were protected`
`06:24.26`	`turtles1`	`so I previously couldn't do it on those maps (without breaking the security on the map that is)`
`06:24.45`	`Kueken`	`which usually takes a whooping 13 seconds _D`
`06:25.06`	`turtles1`	`I had some map makers give me explicit permission to use their maps but a lot of map makers are uncontactable or speak another language`
`06:25.52`	`turtles1`	`and I can't keep up with the constant map rotations so it would be cool if people could do that themselves. I just need a way of automatically detecting all the possible spawn points`
`06:29.23`	`turtles1`	`JademusSreg suggested maybe "PointFromId" but I can't find it in the editor`
`06:29.58`	`ArcanePariah`	`The action names is Point From Name, it is a function`
`06:30.01`	`Kueken`	`its a script function, in Gui it is represented by the "value" tab when you select a parameter`
`06:30.53`	`turtles1`	`we discussed point from name`
`06:31.07`	`turtles1`	`but he also said there was a point from id`
`06:31.19`	`turtles1`	`which made it sound like it was a seperate function`
`06:31.45`	`ArcanePariah`	`hmm... should be the same, since the name = id`
`06:32.03`	`Kueken`	`PointFromId is a function to reference predefined points you added to the terrain in the Point layer`
`06:32.07`	`turtles1`	`because point from name rellies on a consistent naming scheme amongst melee map makers which is mostly but not 100% true`
`06:32.31`	`ArcanePariah`	`Kueken, where is PointFromId in the libs?`
`06:32.48`	`Kueken`	`let me look it up...`
`06:33.08`	`turtles1`	`So there is no way to detect ALL the points in the point layer of the terrain?`
`06:33.20`	`turtles1`	`not without first knowing the naming convention used?`
`06:34.36`	`Kueken`	`I don't see it in the trigger libs, maybe it is not added as a Gui function`
`06:35.07`	`Kueken`	`would sort of make sense, since it is only used internally whenever you select a point from a Value tab`
`06:36.11`	`Kueken`	`short example`
`06:36.29`	`Kueken`	`go to point layer, add a point to the map`
`06:36.48`	`Kueken`	`then add a trigger action that uses a point, for example Move Point`
`06:37.08`	`Kueken`	`then for the point to move, select your newly added point from the value tab`
`06:37.16`	`Kueken`	`and then look at the map script`
`06:37.50`	`turtles1`	`Kueken: Your ideas intruige me`
`06:37.57`	`Kueken`	`in gui it will display something like "Move Point 001 to whatever"`
`06:38.37`	`Kueken`	`in script it translates to "PointSet(PointFromId(3), whatever"`
`06:38.57`	`turtles1`	`that sounds perfect it it works`
`06:39.04`	`Kueken`	`(the "3" being the Id)`
`06:39.22`	`Kueken`	`note that the id depends on the amount of objects already on the map`
`06:39.26`	`turtles1`	`melee maps 99% of the time have no points other than starting locations`
`06:39.45`	`Kueken`	`its not just points, though`
`06:39.58`	`turtles1`	`oh :(`
`06:40.08`	`Kueken`	`if you have 10 units and one point, the point does not necessarily have the id 1`
`06:40.15`	`Kueken`	`it might just as well be 5 or 11`
`06:40.36`	`Kueken`	`depending on the order in which the objects were added`
`06:40.49`	`turtles1`	`would doodads contribute to that ID?`
`06:40.59`	`turtles1`	`most melee maps have no units on them either`
`06:41.02`	`ArcanePariah`	`Any object placed on the map`
`06:41.09`	`ArcanePariah`	`And yes, melee maps have tons of units`
`06:41.13`	`Kueken`	`I don't think so, since doodads cannot be referenced in triggers, to my knowledge`
`06:41.16`	`ArcanePariah`	`starting with all the mineral fields`
`06:41.17`	`turtles1`	`although, XNT count as units come to think of it`
`06:41.25`	`ArcanePariah`	`and geysers`
`06:41.29`	`ArcanePariah`	`Those are all units`
`06:41.30`	`turtles1`	`and minerals...`
`06:41.38`	`turtles1`	`yeah, oops`
`06:41.49`	`Kueken`	`minerals, geysers, destructible rocks, watchtowers, critters...`
`06:42.36`	`Kueken`	`and since you don't know the order of placement, you cannot reliably determine the id`
`06:42.57`	`Kueken`	`also id relation is one way, you cannot get the id if you have the object`
`06:43.13`	`Kueken`	`what do you need it for anyway?`
`06:43.31`	`turtles1`	`training mod`
`06:43.53`	`turtles1`	`build order tester which lets you create/edit BOs`
`06:44.06`	`turtles1`	`like the old YABOT maps but with a lot more functionality and power`
`06:45.02`	`Kueken`	`and why would you need PointFromId for that? o_0`
`06:45.07`	`turtles1`	`it's had some people pay attention to it's potential and has it's dedicated followers but at the moment it's not complete enough to break into mainstream usage`
`06:45.08`	`Kueken`	`I don't follow`
`06:45.24`	`turtles1`	`so that players can chose what starting positions they want`
`06:45.37`	`turtles1`	`some maps play differently depending on spawn positions`
`06:46.29`	`turtles1`	`when the game starts up they can decide which bases to begin in`
`06:46.50`	`turtles1`	`and reset and chose different positions`
`06:46.54`	`turtles1`	`if they want`
`06:48.11`	`Kueken`	`and its for an extension mod, so it cannot be map-specific, right?`
`06:49.24`	`ArcanePariah`	`Yeah... I'm not sure of an automatic way to do this. I do know how you could easily determine each maps starting positions using an extension mod, and then use that data in the main mod to make the locations available`
`06:49.49`	`Kueken`	`Can't you just compile a list of start locations for each player?`
`06:50.19`	`ArcanePariah`	`Yeah... that's what I'm proposing, but he would have to do it for every map, and update when maps rotate`
`06:50.23`	`Kueken`	`you have the PlayerStartLocation function`
`06:50.35`	`Kueken`	`you can make it generic`
`06:50.58`	`ArcanePariah`	`PlayerStartLocation does return the start location, but only for active players`
`06:51.15`	`Kueken`	`ah, too bad`
`06:51.22`	`turtles1`	`what ArcanePariah said`
`06:51.58`	`ArcanePariah`	`So he could make a mod that uses that function and run every map a bunch of times to get all the possible locations, then hardcode them into a UserType that stores each map name and the corresponding start locations. On map load, check map name, and from that, load the start locations`
`06:52.01`	`turtles1`	`keeping and maintaining a database of maps and their starting locations would be easier than what I'm currently doing`
`06:52.09`	`Kueken`	`can you check which map is played?`
`06:52.13`	`ArcanePariah`	`yes`
`06:52.20`	`ArcanePariah`	`Theres a function that gives you the map name`
`06:52.25`	`Kueken`	`ok`
`06:52.31`	`turtles1`	`but it doesn't allow the freedom to play it on whatever map you want`
`06:52.48`	`Kueken`	`play yes, just not use that particular function`
`06:52.50`	`turtles1`	`without me first "whitelisting" the map`
`06:52.56`	`ArcanePariah`	`Basically yeah...`
`06:53.23`	`turtles1`	`and some maps cannot be opened in the editor`
`06:53.29`	`turtles1`	`especially all the GSL maps`
`06:53.54`	`turtles1`	`they are all locked and I'm not sure how I feel about trying to break the security to try and find that info`
`06:54.33`	`turtles1`	`although... I wouldn't have to break the secity, there are other ways I could do it legally come to think of it`
`06:54.45`	`turtles1`	`still a pain in the butt cracks though`
`06:58.35`	`turtles1`	`Thanks for continued support and suggestions everyone. I appreciate it`
`06:58.54`	`turtles1`	`I don't want to sound like an ingrate`
`06:59.14`	`ArcanePariah`	`Nah, its cool, kind of fun trying to devise solutions to interesting corner case problems :D`
`06:59.45`	`turtles1`	`:)`
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`07:50.46`	`turtles1`	`yeah, im here I got you message`
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`08:17.05`	`DeadZergling`	`class I hate being the most, and seems to be taking the most work too`
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`10:28.52`	`G0A`	`is there a way to make search area effect to apply a behavior if it founds no units?`
`10:29.31`	`Zolden`	`u can apply a behavior before the search, adn any found unit would cancel the behavior`
`10:29.33`	`G0A`	`I know I could make it with validators but I cant change validators range as dynamically.`
`10:29.41`	`DeadZergling`	`no, can do it the other way too`
`10:30.25`	`DeadZergling`	`use a switch with validator not dead`
`10:30.38`	`DeadZergling`	`if it is not dead, you got a unit, do nothing`
`10:30.48`	`DeadZergling`	`next case is no validator, applies behavior`
`10:34.18`	`Zolden`	`http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/snova_17/42505524/1416878/1416878_original.gif`
`10:38.07`	`kingTD`	`Zolden u will update today MM?`
`10:40.02`	`Zolden`	`kingTD I was going to implement more senders, and it's rather fast (if I don't procrastinate too much)`
`10:40.37`	`Zolden`	`but also balance tests required`
`10:40.46`	`Zolden`	`but still yes, most probably today`
`10:47.22`	`DeadZergling`	`anyone know what I'm doing wrong here, game isn't complaining, but the action definitely isn't happening: http://tny.cz/7829f7d1`
`10:47.31`	`DeadZergling`	`is actor macro stuff`
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`10:51.23`	`duckies`	`what? actror.. data.. hosts..ops.. rotation? what is this black wizzardy! :<`
`10:52.15`	`Zolden`	`u sure target is correct?`
`10:52.44`	`DeadZergling`	`not particularly, I know the behavior is on the appropriate unit`
`10:52.50`	`DeadZergling`	`tried self and host`
`10:52.56`	`DeadZergling`	`not sure what else might do the trick`
`10:53.09`	`duckies`	`_)target?`
`10:53.11`	`DeadZergling`	`or if I'm missing something completely different`
`10:53.12`	`Zolden`	`are they in the same scope?`
`10:53.12`	`duckies`	`*_target`
`10:53.50`	`Zolden`	`tried adressing the target by id?`
`10:54.11`	`Zolden`	`jsut to know that they are in the same scope`
`10:54.44`	`DeadZergling`	`not sure what you mean by that Z`
`10:55.37`	`DeadZergling`	`they all using the same ::scope.Helper I know`
`11:00.57`	`Zolden`	`DeadZergling try to use the ID of the actor instead`
`11:01.31`	`Zolden`	`id always works in case the actor in the same scope`
`11:01.49`	`Zolden`	`if it work, you can call it by alias`
`11:02.26`	`DeadZergling`	`perhaps, but that completely defeats the purpose of a macro doesn't it?`
`11:03.10`	`DeadZergling`	`trying it by ID anywho`
`11:03.14`	`Zolden`	`if you are sure they are in the same scope, you can go on trying to find the correct reference`
`11:03.39`	`Zolden`	`and using alias names is semi-universal`
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`11:10.53`	`DeadZergling`	`well that wasn't working either, tried it with target AbsintheAttackMissile, and with actor AbsintheAttackMissile`
`11:11.12`	`DeadZergling`	`target gave a nice error and nothing happening, other way didn't complain, but nothing happened again`
`11:12.20`	`Zolden`	`what are the relationships between the unit that have those behaviors and the actor you want to send a message to?`
`11:12.59`	`DeadZergling`	`tried it this way and this way, not sure if I did it right`
`11:13.00`	`DeadZergling`	`<On Terms="Behavior.Bottle1.On" Target="AbsintheAttackMissile" Send="HostSiteOpsSet {} RotateX500"/>`
`11:13.10`	`DeadZergling`	`<On Terms="Behavior.Bottle2.On" Target="::scope.Helper" Send="HostSiteOpsSet AbsintheAttackMissile RotateX600"/>`
`11:13.17`	`DeadZergling`	`well basically, it is the ammo unit`
`11:13.28`	`DeadZergling`	`and the behavior is getting applied via a launch effect`
`11:13.34`	`DeadZergling`	`I know the behaviors are landing fine`
`11:14.07`	`Zolden`	`so, behavior is applied to an ammo unit, and who do you want to send the message to?`
`11:14.24`	`DeadZergling`	`it's actor, so I can apply a random rotator to it`
`11:14.31`	`DeadZergling`	`so the bottle doesn't always spin exactly the same`
`11:14.56`	`Zolden`	`so, missile's actor sending messages to itself via target field?`
`11:15.15`	`DeadZergling`	`essentially yea, I want it to send itself a message`
`11:15.26`	`Zolden`	`then don't use the target field`
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`11:15.55`	`Zolden`	`target field is neeed when you want to send something to another acor`
`11:16.25`	`DeadZergling`	`so how should I be doing it, I just need one example of how to apply a sop actor`
`11:16.58`	`Zolden`	`first, make something like behavior.x.on -> set tint color ...`
`11:17.21`	`Zolden`	`to make sure that behavior event happens`
`11:17.26`	`DeadZergling`	`I'm 100 % on the behaviors happening`
`11:17.33`	`DeadZergling`	`it wouldn't be throwing me errors otherwise`
`11:17.41`	`Zolden`	`ok, then do what you used to do, but leave the target field empty`
`11:18.33`	`Zolden`	`though, i never tried to set site op via message`
`11:19.29`	`Ahli`	`http://www.twitch.tv/spiders94/c/3349437 someone found a bug in the game ;o`
`11:19.48`	`DeadZergling`	`kk, trying it that way, hurray for XML edit mode`
`11:19.51`	`DeadZergling`	`saves so much time`
`11:21.43`	`DeadZergling`	`nope again, this is what it currently looks like: http://tny.cz/0b072993`
`11:22.19`	`Zolden`	`what is that ::Self part for?`
`11:22.24`	`duckies`	`I can't belive how little damage nuke does D:`
`11:22.45`	`DeadZergling`	`Host Name`
`11:22.50`	`Zolden`	`duckies maybe it's only antiduck nuke`
`11:23.28`	`duckies`	`might be, watching how it's balanced indeed makes me sick :/`
`11:23.50`	`DeadZergling`	`http://ctrlv.in/266894`
`11:24.11`	`Zolden`	`DeadZergling are you sure it is needed? common sense tells me that site ops field and host field aare independent, and putting a sop into sop field doesnn't require anything except sop's name`
`11:24.32`	`DeadZergling`	`i can certainly remove it from all`
`11:24.51`	`Zolden`	`yea, leave it blank`
`11:26.54`	`DeadZergling`	`error again, Cannot set site ops on host`
`11:27.32`	`DeadZergling`	`I think it is saying, I don't like your target`
`11:28.50`	`DeadZergling`	`guess i'll try ::actor.sender`
`11:28.51`	`Zolden`	`search for this message in default sc2 actors. amybe it's used properly somwhere`
`11:29.57`	`DeadZergling`	`aye, try that next in a min`
`11:30.39`	`kingTD`	`Zolden if people rq at the beginning of the game leaderboard doesnt update`
`11:30.49`	`kingTD`	`with grey nicknames`
`11:30.57`	`Zolden`	`yea, noticed`
`11:31.46`	`DeadZergling`	`guess I'll look up Send="HostSiteOpsSet`
`11:33.13`	`duckies`	`hm, zol, what did you use to make those gifs for your model showcases?`
`11:33.52`	`Zolden`	`gifcam`
`11:34.30`	`duckies`	`ty`
`11:34.57`	`DeadZergling`	`fantastic, it doesn't appear even once in all of their xml`
`11:35.23`	`Zolden`	`duckies version 2.0`
`11:37.12`	`duckies`	`that's the latest one, right?`
`11:38.21`	`Zolden`	`dunno, but i heard it should be not earlier for some feature`
`11:39.47`	`DeadZergling`	`JademusSreg/Kueken, one of you two must know something about this`
`11:42.06`	`duckies`	`cool, this is handy :3`
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`11:46.12`	`rtschutter`	`Zolden! Hey man! I got maybe some more work for you.`
`11:46.24`	`Ahli`	`f*ck, it's snowing`
`11:46.45`	`Zolden`	`duckies rightclick on Rec button and set 33 fps`
`11:46.49`	`Zolden`	`rtschutter cool, go on`
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`11:47.12`	`Zolden`	`Ahli gj`
`11:47.43`	`duckies`	`Ahli, quite so, it's finally snowing!`
`11:47.44`	`rtschutter`	`Zolden its on the same decal model. Basically when people have their effects setting set to 'medium' or lower the decals will only show up sometimes. I was wondering if it was possible to create a version that shows up on all graphics settings`
`11:47.44`	`Zolden`	`it's how russia spread its spores`
`11:47.48`	`Zolden`	`via snow flakes`
`11:48.03`	`Ahli`	`I need to drive today... so this is bad :D`
`11:48.12`	`Zolden`	`rtschutter ok, lemme check`
`11:48.20`	`DeadZergling`	`http://tny.cz/cc214c3e is what im currently trying to use`
`11:48.24`	`duckies`	`ty for advice zol`
`11:48.27`	`DeadZergling`	`it is failing, miserably`
`11:49.47`	`Zolden`	`duckies and before you try to recorn something after you recorded something yet, click New in the same popup menu to clen the shit you recorded yet`
`11:50.35`	`duckies`	`ok`
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`12:09.27`	`Zolden`	`Ahli what was that option that fixes pink issue with those splats?`
`12:09.43`	`Ahli`	`change indirect shadows setting`
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`12:10.21`	`Zolden`	`should it be on or off to fix?`
`12:10.53`	`Ahli`	`you just need to alter the setting to fix it`
`12:11.12`	`Zolden`	`lol, no matter in what direction?`
`12:11.17`	`Ahli`	`yes`
`12:11.29`	`Ahli`	`you can't turn it pink again, too, once you fixed it`
`12:11.41`	`Zolden`	`awkward :)`
`12:12.00`	`Ahli`	`at least their stuff does that now, too :D http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/10787528852`
`12:13.37`	`Zolden`	`good, than we have higher chances for it to be fixed, because they seem to ignore the art tools feedback thread`
`12:13.44`	`Zolden`	`*then`
`12:13.57`	`Ahli`	`:D`
`12:17.10`	`G0A`	`Ahli hope they will fix that finally somehow, I have that pinkish gay thing with my splats in my map`
`12:17.43`	`Ahli`	`if that's on the PTR, just give them your dxdiag`
`12:17.56`	`G0A`	`its not PTR`
`12:18.05`	`Ahli`	`since it seems to be a computer issue... not everyone has that problem =/ then make a normal bug report :D`
`12:18.14`	`G0A`	`and it doesnt happens with me`
`12:18.56`	`G0A`	`Though Zolden's stars at start of M&M has the pink buy with my pc, while my splats dont cause it for my pc only for some others.`
`12:18.58`	`duckies`	`eh, I've had it in dustins map with his hybrid zealots, and with zoldens flame pillar too ;/`
`12:19.17`	`G0A`	`so I think there can be more than 1 thing that is causing it...`
`12:19.39`	`Zolden`	`G0A have altering that setting helped you?`
`12:19.51`	`G0A`	`we are haunted by this pinky thingy`
`12:20.08`	`G0A`	`Zolden nope though I tried only 1 other setting`
`12:20.14`	`G0A`	`will try it again today`
`12:22.07`	`Zolden`	`G0A I had that issue for me too, and it was very awkard. When I used R channel of a texture, it was pink, and when I used another channel, it was showing correctly. But those channels are completely equal both in textures and in the way material using those channels.`
`12:23.03`	`Zolden`	`so, it rather look like a bug than like a feature`
`12:25.26`	`G0A`	`comment that to blizzard forum`
`12:25.39`	`Zolden`	`i have`
`12:25.51`	`G0A`	`they might fix it since they are so kind these days.D`
`12:26.00`	`Zolden`	`i hope`
`12:26.18`	`G0A`	`I mean comment it here: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/10787528852 or link it`
`12:28.48`	`Zolden`	`done`
`12:29.45`	`G0A`	`Need a tower name for tower which not attacks until unit is in 1 range, then it attacks until there is a unit in 7 range.`
`12:30.48`	`G0A`	`I mean it not attacks until there is 1 unit within 1 range, then it attacks until there is a unit in 7 range.`
`12:41.51`	`DeadZergling`	`Hi Zolden, FYI, <On Terms="Behavior.Bottle1.On" Send="HostSiteOpsSet ::Host RotateX500"/> works`
`12:42.29`	`DeadZergling`	`in case you ever wanted to have an actor do SiteOps on itself after it was already created`
`12:44.37`	`DeadZergling`	`I could throw together a very stupid Katamari map with this knowledge, lol`
`12:45.01`	`duckies`	`dz, that thing makes actor rotate around itself?`
`12:45.18`	`duckies`	`"rotateX500" is custom-made or pre-made?`
`12:45.18`	`DeadZergling`	`yes`
`12:45.21`	`DeadZergling`	`custom`
`12:45.26`	`DeadZergling`	`want the xml?`
`12:45.37`	`duckies`	`yeah, would be cool`
`12:45.46`	`DeadZergling`	`second, give you a few examples`
`12:45.50`	`duckies`	`it rotates in direction it's facing, right?`
`12:46.30`	`DeadZergling`	`http://tny.cz/21829e82`
`12:46.50`	`DeadZergling`	`gave you examples on X axis, Y axis, and X and Y axis`
`12:46.56`	`DeadZergling`	`Z is just as easy really`
`12:51.11`	`DeadZergling`	`Anyways, I need sleep`
`12:51.24`	`DeadZergling`	`just spent 3 hours to make bottles that would rotate differently when thrown, lol`
`12:53.27`	`Zolden`	`DeadZergling so, host should have ::Host value? who would ever suppose`
`12:55.35`	`duckies`	`ty`
`12:56.55`	`DeadZergling`	`Kueken would`
`12:57.02`	`DeadZergling`	`he saved the day, once again`
`12:57.17`	`DeadZergling`	`anyways, night :)`
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`14:45.20`	`G0A`	`Zolden yay I got +3 gold for killing the enemy's main`
`14:51.22`	`Ahli`	`lol`
`14:51.25`	`Ahli`	`gj`
`14:51.32`	`Zolden`	`you deserved it!`
`14:51.51`	`Dustin`	`That's called winners money`
`14:52.20`	`Zolden`	`crap, what a trap, I more want to play the map instead of mapmaking it`
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`15:09.27`	`turtles2`	`enough map making. Time for watching some walking dead to give me sweet dreams`
`15:09.30`	`turtles2`	`bye people`
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`15:10.08`	`A1win`	`Zolden, that should be a good sign though ;p`
`15:13.26`	`A1win`	`http://img.phombo.com/img1/photocombo/63/ch920621.jpg`
`15:13.44`	`A1win`	`The Horrendous Space Kablooie!`
`15:19.13`	`Zolden`	`there's no possible name that could 1. Make the miracle of big bang more astonishing, 2. Make its meaning more understandable for naive bourgeois`
`15:19.49`	`Zolden`	`little motherfucker and his tiger jsut need some lsd to stop spamming nonsense`
`15:24.00`	`Zolden`	`human brains are just self-protecting: direct perception of the fact that universe exists may drive a person crazy, because it contradicts to the trivial logic, which states that nothing can't create something as complex as the universe`
`15:27.40`	`G0A`	`Zolden actor wasnt destroyed: http://pbrd.co/1d55lv1`
`15:28.54`	`Zolden`	`and still it's there?`
`15:29.01`	`G0A`	`yes`
`15:29.04`	`G0A`	`after 20 waves...`
`15:29.06`	`Zolden`	`strange`
`15:30.08`	`Zolden`	`probably jsut a random sc2 bug`
`15:30.24`	`Zolden`	`those guys simple have nothing special that could make it remain`
`15:32.08`	`Zolden`	`G0A btw, new south park episode is the 3rd part of black friday thing`
`15:34.52`	`G0A`	`btw there is a guy with 7 sun idol at wave 36`
`15:35.01`	`Zolden`	`nice`
`15:35.14`	`G0A`	`wave 33*`
`15:35.21`	`G0A`	`I think he sold everything else`
`15:35.36`	`Zolden`	`if you reach the fathership wave, tell me if it not too strong or too weak`
`15:35.41`	`G0A`	`watching SP at morning was like my first thing`
`15:36.06`	`G0A`	`I have robotron finnally`
`15:36.17`	`Zolden`	`it's still op`
`15:36.24`	`Zolden`	`especially the upped one`
`15:36.40`	`Zolden`	`http://i.snag.gy/1V3Cw.jpg`
`15:36.44`	`Zolden`	`awkward shit on screen`
`15:36.47`	`Zolden`	`it's animated`
`15:37.13`	`G0A`	`dam they died:(`
`15:37.20`	`Zolden`	`fucking noobs!`
`15:37.24`	`Zolden`	`call them noobs immediately`
`15:38.15`	`G0A`	`that Sunidol strategy is quite nice, he kills half of his wave on the first second probably`
`15:39.39`	`Zolden`	`time to finally perform a comprehensive balance session for all researchable units`
`15:39.47`	`Zolden`	`looks like they all are more or less op`
`15:41.18`	`G0A`	`wow Blizz has arcade map night too http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/59935-its-arcade-night-play-with-the-blues-chanman-v-huk/#p1`
`15:41.38`	`Zolden`	`but it's too late`
`15:41.43`	`Zolden`	`6 am for me`
`15:41.46`	`Zolden`	`4 or 5 for you`
`15:42.00`	`Zolden`	`but this fact is still positive`
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`15:50.20`	`Zolden`	`launches mutalisk projectile into duckies`
`15:51.06`	`duckies`	`activates sentrys guardian shield`
`15:54.24`	`Zolden`	`checks last clause of the test sheet and sends it to nerd control department`
`15:59.32`	`duckies`	`makes a gif of zolden checking last clause of the test sheet for no apperant reason`
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`16:02.09`	`G0A`	`1 hour and NA map night`
`16:02.14`	`G0A`	`EU* I mean`
`16:02.41`	`A1win`	`maybe I should try a 8 player version of my map`
`16:02.53`	`A1win`	`*an`
`16:05.51`	`Zolden`	`A1win yea`
`16:10.01`	`duckies`	`wtf G0A, I get a feeling that each next MN starts one hour earlier that the previous one D:`
`16:10.13`	`duckies`	`stop accelerating!`
`16:10.29`	`A1win`	`haha`
`16:11.51`	`Zolden`	`duckies jsut stop using drucks`
`16:12.51`	`kingTD`	`well not every country switched they clocks to be one hour earlier and noone fixed the timer that was tracking that shit`
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`16:13.41`	`duckies`	`but .. but drucks make the world go round =/`
`16:30.41`	`G0A`	`duckies at the end all day will be map night:D`
`16:31.13`	`duckies`	`the day has ended a while back now for me. It's pitch black here`
`16:31.18`	`duckies`	`also, it snows`
`16:31.26`	`duckies`	`SNOWS.. bwahahahaah, it's snowtime!`
`16:31.33`	`duckies`	`explodes`
`17:11.53`	`G0A`	`Snoow http://odesk.ro/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Funny51.jpg`
`17:21.50`	`kingTD`	`sooo`
`17:21.55`	`kingTD`	`mapnights?`
`17:31.40`	`G0A`	`MAAAAAAAAP NIGHT!!!!!!!`
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`17:45.43`	`duckies`	`did .. goa just dc? :D`
`17:46.24`	`Bommes`	`mapping time`
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`18:11.18`	`A1win`	`think I need to cut some particle effects from explosions and stuff but otherwise nice performance`
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`18:35.09`	`Zolden`	`kingTD are there any nice maps to play?`
`18:35.23`	`kingTD`	`no`
`18:35.31`	`kingTD`	`u dont create nice remakes`
`18:35.35`	`Zolden`	`A1win have we tested your map yet?`
`18:35.41`	`A1win`	`yeah`
`18:35.43`	`A1win`	`with 8 players`
`18:35.45`	`A1win`	`and it worked fine`
`18:35.59`	`Zolden`	`good`
`18:39.32`	`Bommes`	`Hm`
`18:39.59`	`Bommes`	`the Impaler Colony unit has some kind of red tint + an additional actor going on on it when attacking`
`18:40.16`	`Bommes`	`can't figure out where it's coming from`
`18:45.29`	`A1win`	`Dustin, nice map, just need to work on user experience a bit :P`
`18:45.46`	`Dustin`	`Oh ya, I have a whole tutorial tip system planned`
`18:46.00`	`Dustin`	`There's too much depth right now without me explaining everything`
`18:46.07`	`A1win`	`there's way too much stuff on the screen all the time`
`18:46.29`	`A1win`	`probably because background is so bright`
`18:46.47`	`Dustin`	`Ya, Ive also just been adding things and not going back and refining them`
`18:46.59`	`Dustin`	`Once I start doing UI shit Ill geti t all cleaned up`
`18:47.36`	`A1win`	`grenades aren't visible enoug, the only thing telling me I threw a grenade was that the count decreased by 1 :P`
`18:47.39`	`A1win`	`*enough`
`18:47.52`	`Dustin`	`ya lol that one is just the stock grenade throw, I was lazy`
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`19:16.06`	`G0A`	`Zolden I command you to join mapnight!`
`19:16.25`	`kingTD`	`and play ur own map!`
`19:18.27`	`kingTD`	`Zolden when update?`
`19:27.01`	`Zolden`	`G0A i'm mapmaking`
`19:27.03`	`Zolden`	`kingTD dunno`
`19:27.25`	`Zolden`	`even new sends are not done yet`
`19:27.40`	`Zolden`	`so slow and procrastinaty`
`19:28.06`	`Zolden`	`if hitler would prepare war like i'm mapping, europe would be the peacefulliest place in the world`
`19:29.03`	`Bommes`	`day9 playing terraria right now`
`19:29.12`	`Bommes`	`it actually does look pretty fun`
`19:29.15`	`Bommes`	`ehm`
`19:29.17`	`Bommes`	`starbound i mean`
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`19:30.59`	`Dustin`	`im playing starbound too :O`
`19:34.31`	`Zolden`	`http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/snova_17/42505524/1447991/1447991_original.gif`
`19:40.03`	`kingTD`	`Zolden that reaper or any ranged fucker is really fukcing :/`
`19:40.34`	`Zolden`	`still op?`
`19:41.01`	`kingTD`	`how they are not?`
`19:41.15`	`kingTD`	`u cant really deal with them if the lasers cant kill them`
`19:41.30`	`Zolden`	`i nerfed them once and thought they are not so noticably op`
`19:41.53`	`Zolden`	`ok, will nerf more ;/`
`19:42.01`	`Zolden`	`but 5 more seands are much stronger`
`19:42.02`	`kingTD`	`u need to make Ranged sends valnuareable to laser drills.`
`19:42.29`	`Zolden`	`making them die even after 2 drills will make them useless`
`19:42.31`	`kingTD`	`first ranged send 1 laser drill , 2nd 2 lasers drill, 3rd 3 lasers drills`
`19:42.44`	`kingTD`	`they are fucking op!!!!!!!`
`19:42.50`	`Zolden`	`then ppl will fall because they will have to spam const yards`
`19:42.57`	`Zolden`	`your penis is op`
`19:43.10`	`kingTD`	`ur vagina is imba`
`19:43.20`	`kingTD`	`big big vagina!!!!`
`19:43.44`	`Zolden`	`in last south park there's a fat lady who agressively say "you can kiss my fat vagina"`
`19:44.11`	`kingTD`	`lame story vagina`
`19:46.06`	`Zolden`	`reduced reapers damage by 4%`
`19:46.11`	`Zolden`	`now he's not that op`
`19:46.20`	`G0A`	`lol`
`19:46.26`	`G0A`	`4% less oppness`
`19:47.11`	`kingTD`	`well thats totally wont change anything`
`19:48.25`	`Zolden`	`ok, 6% instead`
`19:48.28`	`Zolden`	`it's realy alot`
`19:49.21`	`ArcanePariah`	`lol, I think too many people see the small number and skip the % sign....`
`19:49.54`	`ArcanePariah`	`Then again, 4% reduction from what?`
`19:50.16`	`ArcanePariah`	`And how much damage reduction is already present?`
`19:52.26`	`Zolden`	`was 52, now 49`
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`19:54.00`	`Dustin`	`JademusSreg`
`19:54.30`	`kingTD`	`and making reaper late game shit`
`19:55.01`	`kingTD`	`where is sending 3 roaches does shit where sending one reaper....`
`19:55.11`	`kingTD`	`that kills yo`
`19:55.13`	`Zolden`	`you mean let him appear available 1 wave later?`
`19:55.57`	`Zolden`	`3 roaches with a ranged wave are unbeatable`
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`20:17.16`	`A1win`	`still haven't figured out how one player was able to go outside the area bounds`
`20:17.24`	`A1win`	`he was there for like a second and then snapped back inside`
`20:17.40`	`A1win`	`had just used speed boost`
`20:17.43`	`DeadZergling`	`how do your area bounds work?`
`20:17.44`	`A1win`	`but I can't replicate it`
`20:17.54`	`A1win`	`with my collision detection`
`20:18.04`	`A1win`	`which isn't very pretty :P`
`20:18.09`	`A1win`	`so it probably has some silly bug`
`20:18.12`	`A1win`	`just can't find it`
`20:18.24`	`DeadZergling`	`I see, can this area bound vary at all?`
`20:18.31`	`A1win`	`nope`
`20:18.39`	`DeadZergling`	`could just use the pathing tool`
`20:19.16`	`A1win`	`nah the units don't have collisions enabled`
`20:19.39`	`A1win`	`heavier for performance to have two collision systems ;p`
`20:19.52`	`DeadZergling`	`yea, wasn't suggesting keeping both`
`20:20.10`	`DeadZergling`	`but that's fine`
`20:20.35`	`A1win`	`can't catch built-in collisions with triggers`
`20:20.43`	`A1win`	`would mess up velocities and stuff`
`20:22.21`	`A1win`	`I wonder if there was some weird divide by zero errors that just didn't show on bnet, or something`
`20:22.36`	`A1win`	`last time it broke the whole map, though`
`20:22.55`	`A1win`	`so probably not`
`20:23.13`	`DeadZergling`	`may not be worth worrying about, from the description, it gave no real advantage`
`20:23.32`	`A1win`	`yeah just don't like having weird bugs in my map :P`
`20:24.15`	`DeadZergling`	`that's true, like the rules regarding self kills, wouldn't want anything weird in there`
`20:24.24`	`A1win`	`<.<`
`20:24.35`	`A1win`	`you're starting to sound like you're trolling me :<`
`20:24.50`	`DeadZergling`	`only slightly`
`20:25.15`	`DeadZergling`	`Not sure it is trolling if you actually think such a way about things`
`20:25.25`	`DeadZergling`	`IE, Stewox`
`20:26.06`	`DeadZergling`	`I think I had a dream that you finally picked a name, pity I forgot what it was`
`20:26.29`	`A1win`	`hmm missing some null checks in my collision functions`
`20:26.36`	`A1win`	`;>`
`20:27.48`	`DeadZergling`	`you know how dreams can go`
`20:28.11`	`DeadZergling`	`one minute you are just sitting there, then Bill Cosby walks in with a shotgun, and orders you to eat 50 puddings`
`20:29.29`	`A1win`	`changed max players to 8 btw, seemed to work smoothly`
`20:29.50`	`A1win`	`some fps drops with lots of explosions going on, changed explosion model to the _Low version`
`20:30.13`	`DeadZergling`	`didn't seem too much like a Walmart parking lot with 8?`
`20:30.21`	`A1win`	`nope`
`20:30.28`	`A1win`	`just some occasional big clashes, which was nice`
`20:31.15`	`A1win`	`and more killstealing :x`
`20:31.24`	`A1win`	`in one round I got 5 kills in a row at the start`
`20:31.41`	`A1win`	`so definitely more random than with less players`
`20:31.47`	`A1win`	`but that's FFA for you`
`20:32.19`	`A1win`	`though I was using the imba weapon, i.e the twinkler shotgun mode`
`20:32.28`	`A1win`	`reduced its cooldown a bit too much`
`20:32.35`	`A1win`	`had higher dps than any other weapon ;p`
`20:32.59`	`DeadZergling`	`heh, hardest to dodge and hardest hitting`
`20:33.08`	`DeadZergling`	`sounds like some NES games I remember`
`20:33.34`	`DeadZergling`	`I got to spend 3 hours making bottles spin last night myself`
`20:34.13`	`Zolden`	`DeadZergling do you know that movers can spin missiles?`
`20:34.45`	`DeadZergling`	`yep, my skill level with movers is quite pathetic though`
`20:34.54`	`DeadZergling`	`they are already using multiple movers anyways`
`20:35.08`	`DeadZergling`	`is fine, learned how to do some new shit in actors`
`20:36.48`	`Zolden`	`...said a producer who managed to seduce some actresses from his new movie to have butt sex with him`
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`20:43.25`	`Dustin`	`https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/843426/Screenshots/dustinship.png`
`20:43.54`	`DeadZergling`	`how 16 bit of you`
`20:44.26`	`Dustin`	`It's starbound`
`20:45.48`	`DeadZergling`	`the blonde guy seems confused, he has a wooden bucker and steel sword equipped as he walks over to the control panel of his spaceship with blasters`
`20:46.17`	`ArcanePariah`	`lol wtf am I looking at? Lost Vikings 2013?`
`20:46.19`	`DeadZergling`	`and uses a 20th century tent, lol`
`20:51.59`	`Bommes`	`http://imgur.com/mE7iNU1`
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`21:24.19`	`DeadZergling`	`just realized that was supposed to be a blonde girl, not a weird hippie in https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/843426/Screenshots/dustinship.png`
`21:24.31`	`Dustin`	`lol`
`21:25.36`	`DeadZergling`	`well if you look at it a certain way`
`21:25.42`	`DeadZergling`	`is like a hippie dude going whoaaaa`
`21:26.11`	`Dustin`	`ya i can see that lol`
`21:30.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Kazoo.`
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`21:36.30`	`A1win`	`JademusSreg, had a 8 player test, felt just as smooth as with 6, performance-wise`
`21:36.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Yay.`
`21:37.22`	`A1win`	`there were some fps drops when there was lots of stuff on screen, but that shouldn't be a script issue, probably too expensive explosions or something`
`21:37.57`	`A1win`	`the terran small unit death model has caused some fps drops before too... changed it to its low version now`
`21:48.57`	`DeadZergling`	`so, how close are you to release now A1win ?`
`21:49.13`	`A1win`	`still need to add some content, abilities mainly`
`21:50.42`	`A1win`	`then I might spend some time learning to use 3dsmax and the art tools ;p`
`21:51.09`	`DeadZergling`	`so pushing for by 2015?`
`21:52.44`	`DeadZergling`	`just that could take quite awhile`
`21:55.59`	`A1win`	`well a planet is not hard to model, just need to learn texturing and stuff... ship model might take longer if I get onto that, especially since I have no idea what I want the ships to look like`
`21:56.01`	`Bommes`	`http://www.seaven-studio.com/indies-going-all-in-with-self-publishing-an-ethan-meteor-hunter-post-mortem/ I wonder, can you even call a game self-funded when you are living off of unemployment benefits?`
`21:56.14`	`Bommes`	`I mean not that I have anything against that, I just wonder about the terms`
`22:01.03`	`G0A`	`new way of living..`
`22:08.47`	`A1win`	`how can I tell how expensive a model is for performance?`
`22:09.35`	`JademusSreg`	`Either compare the model properties, or make a fuck load of them.`
`22:10.22`	`kingTD`	`replace models with squares`
`22:10.32`	`kingTD`	`models`
`22:11.15`	`ArcanePariah`	`A1win, run a battery of tests, empty map to give a baseline, then add an increasing number of the model to map with triggers and compare FPS`
`22:11.25`	`ArcanePariah`	`so start with 1, then 10, then 100, then 1000`
`22:11.28`	`ArcanePariah`	`thne 10000`
`22:11.58`	`A1win`	`sounds fun ;p`
`22:12.43`	`kingTD`	`but then there is different specifications of the players CPUs GPUs and shit... so in the end not much will be revealed`
`22:12.49`	`ArcanePariah`	`Simplest way is to have a trigger that spawns them, and each time resets and increments the number`
`22:12.57`	`ArcanePariah`	`Then do edge cases`
`22:13.03`	`ArcanePariah`	`Set all settings to low, then maxed out`
`22:13.08`	`ArcanePariah`	`and run the tests`
`22:13.08`	`Zolden`	`A1win it depends on the amount of polygons and on the material, those polygons use`
`22:13.16`	`ArcanePariah`	`gives you at least the boundaries`
`22:13.16`	`JademusSreg`	`prefers powers of 2.`
`22:13.28`	`Zolden`	`for the polygons, it's ok to have below 10000`
`22:14.17`	`Zolden`	`if you press 7 in max, you'll see the number of polygons`
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`22:15.21`	`A1win`	`a lot of missile and dearh models have all kinds of particle stuff and other shenanigas, and almost everything in my map is those`
`22:15.29`	`A1win`	`*death`
`22:15.47`	`Zolden`	`but first draw model sketch`
`22:16.15`	`Zolden`	`particles are cheap btw`
`22:16.48`	`A1win`	`what makes the terran small unit death model so expensive then?`
`22:16.50`	`Zolden`	`they have low quality material and are calculated on videocard`
`22:17.05`	`Zolden`	`physics maybe?`
`22:17.17`	`A1win`	`ah they use physics too...`
`22:17.18`	`Zolden`	`how does it look? blood fountain?`
`22:17.20`	`Zolden`	`explosion?`
`22:17.22`	`A1win`	`explosion`
`22:17.35`	`A1win`	`has small flame stuff falling afterwards`
`22:18.24`	`A1win`	`makes sense that it'd be physics`
`22:18.25`	`Zolden`	`100 particles barely consume 1 fps`
`22:18.51`	`A1win`	`so how do I see which models use physics?`
`22:19.45`	`A1win`	`hmm it also has a light`
`22:19.58`	`Zolden`	`oh, lights consume alot`
`22:20.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Yep.`
`22:20.39`	`A1win`	`mm gonna remove everything that uses lights I guess`
`22:20.50`	`A1win`	`can't really see those in space anyway :P`
`22:21.13`	`A1win`	`any way to make a model not use the light that it has?`
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`22:22.16`	`A1win`	`looks like quite a lot of these death models have a light`
`22:25.39`	`A1win`	`even the shockwave explosion that I use for shield impacts D:`
`22:26.14`	`A1win`	`hmm dunno why, there's a shield imapct model too that looks almost the same`
`22:26.16`	`Zolden`	`A1win http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/45/571/spell_devastation.m3`
`22:26.18`	`Zolden`	`try this`
`22:26.34`	`A1win`	`for what?`
`22:26.39`	`Zolden`	`for death maybe`
`22:27.19`	`A1win`	`there's low quality version of the terran small unit death model, already switched to it`
`22:27.28`	`A1win`	`looks about the same but has no light`
`22:29.54`	`A1win`	`hmm I wonder how easy it would be to apply velocity to these explosion actors`
`22:30.23`	`A1win`	`though they wouldn't have collisions and would sink into planets and stuff... so dunno if that's even a good idea`
`22:31.04`	`A1win`	`this shield impact model doesn't show at all D:`
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`22:32.04`	`A1win`	`maybe it's not playing the right animation for it...`
`22:33.03`	`A1win`	`mmh should be`
`22:42.45`	`A1win`	`ah, wasn't`
`23:00.49`	`G0A`	`300 2 looks nice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaYcq9eebAo`
`23:01.10`	`A1win`	`worst name for a movie e ver :P`
`23:01.22`	`A1win`	`(if it was called that)`
`23:02.51`	`Zolden`	`"300 2"?`
`23:03.10`	`Zolden`	`maybe director is autist that likes numbers more then letters`
`23:03.16`	`A1win`	`it's actually 300: Rise of an Empire`
`23:03.35`	`G0A`	`should have been named 600`
`23:03.40`	`A1win`	`;x`
`23:03.40`	`G0A`	`or over 9000`
`23:04.11`	`Zolden`	`there's only one appropriate name`
`23:04.17`	`Zolden`	`and everyone knows it`
`23:05.05`	`G0A`	`http://www.vice.com/weediquette-show/stoned-kids hmm`
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`23:31.20`	`DeadZergling`	`was looking at your link Bommes, I can see why there weren't many sales`
`23:32.53`	`DeadZergling`	`it looks like just an over-graphiced death game`
`23:33.13`	`DeadZergling`	`infinite continues, figure out how to do this certain level combo`
`23:34.18`	`Bommes`	`dunno, nowadays is just not the time to work on a mediocre platformer as an indie team`
`23:34.35`	`Bommes`	`unless your game is game of the year material you will be burrowed between other games`
`23:38.40`	`DeadZergling`	`saw the demo video`
`23:38.47`	`DeadZergling`	`immediately made me think of that stick figure game`
`23:38.55`	`DeadZergling`	`where you have to navigate the levels`
`23:58.47`	`*** join/#sc2mapster herolief (~herolief@ucommons-117-81.pooled.umbc.edu)`

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