| 00:04.16 | Dustin | A1win, upload your map to NA and lets play it at this mapnight shiz |
| 00:26.29 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ahli (~asdaaaaa@dslb-188-101-188-069.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 00:26.49 | Ahli | oh damned, reading is hard already |
| 00:30.29 | Zolden | A1win yes please |
| 00:30.34 | Zolden | i'd kill all thos noobs |
| 00:30.55 | A1win | mmf |
| 00:30.58 | A1win | when is that? |
| 00:31.15 | Zolden | now |
| 00:31.24 | Zolden | blizzard official arcade night |
| 00:31.26 | Zolden | lots of ppl |
| 00:31.46 | Ahli | I'm drunk, excellent then |
| 00:31.54 | Ahli | same IQ as usual people or something |
| 00:32.08 | A1win | oh, dunno if I want to show this to a huge crowd yet ;p |
| 00:34.27 | Dustin | damnit A1win yes you do :D |
| 00:34.38 | A1win | but it has no name ;[ |
| 00:35.15 | A1win | besides it hasn't been tested at all in a while |
| 00:35.23 | A1win | (in multiplayer) |
| 00:35.42 | Dustin | lets testi t real quick |
| 00:36.26 | Zolden | Ahli do you have something that would sound like dragon attack? http://i.snag.gy/VQvec.jpg |
| 00:36.43 | Zolden | A1win i'd test it now |
| 00:36.48 | Zolden | dustin would either |
| 00:36.50 | A1win | if I wanted to show this to a big crowd, I'd just publish it :P |
| 00:36.55 | A1win | it's not ready for that yet |
| 00:37.19 | Zolden | ok |
| 00:37.28 | Zolden | then we wait |
| 00:37.52 | Ahli | no |
| 00:38.07 | A1win | though we can go test if you have time |
| 00:38.49 | Dustin | ya im down for a test |
| 00:40.34 | Dustin | eu? |
| 00:40.43 | A1win | yeah |
| 00:41.22 | A1win | made rounds shorter for quicker tests (since need to test scoring and stuff too) |
| 00:41.27 | A1win | 10 kills for win |
| 00:43.02 | Dustin | good deal |
| 00:43.05 | Dustin | im on whenever |
| 00:55.31 | DeadZergling | you still there A1win ? |
| 00:55.36 | A1win | yeah |
| 00:56.07 | DeadZergling | looks like you were playing w/ name ideas again |
| 00:58.14 | DeadZergling | so first question, what names are you thinking about now |
| 00:59.03 | A1win | none 8x |
| 00:59.10 | DeadZergling | looks like you decided you didn't like starfall/starfire up there |
| 00:59.33 | DeadZergling | that's good, while not terrible names, they made no sense either, lol |
| 00:59.53 | A1win | haha |
| 01:07.35 | A1win | wonder what I should do about drones, even though their damage was nerfed, can still spam them from far away |
| 01:07.42 | A1win | oh yeah, more weapons ;p |
| 01:08.01 | A1win | homing missile should be nice to deal with people who are spamming drones |
| 01:08.16 | A1win | though that's an ability, but still |
| 01:08.40 | A1win | mmh except nothing prevents those people from killing the homing missile as well :P |
| 01:08.41 | Zolden | they seem to work a bit better than other weapons |
| 01:08.46 | Zolden | jsut a bit |
| 01:08.49 | Zolden | maybe 15% |
| 01:08.59 | A1win | maybe lower fire rate or something |
| 01:09.05 | A1win | launch rate that is |
| 01:09.12 | A1win | can spam quite a lot of them now |
| 01:09.15 | Zolden | What if you allow weapons depending on Elo? |
| 01:09.24 | A1win | nah |
| 01:09.26 | Zolden | 1600 only allows pew gun |
| 01:09.32 | Zolden | 1630 -> laser |
| 01:09.37 | A1win | that would just make you lose even harder :P |
| 01:09.38 | Zolden | 1660 -> emp |
| 01:09.45 | Zolden | 1690 -> missiles |
| 01:09.51 | Zolden | 1720 -> anything |
| 01:10.12 | Zolden | pew is ok for fast kills |
| 01:10.22 | Zolden | it's not super good, but fun and killy |
| 01:10.28 | Zolden | doesn't require much experience |
| 01:10.38 | Zolden | helps to develope aiming skill |
| 01:10.41 | A1win | firefly missiles still rather useless, need to figure out how to make them different enough from other weapons |
| 01:10.54 | Zolden | missiles are effective i'd say |
| 01:10.59 | Zolden | i just fly closer and they kill fast |
| 01:11.28 | A1win | it's just so similar to pew pew shotgun |
| 01:11.45 | A1win | and firefly aoe mode is worse than the normal mode in almost all situations :P |
| 01:11.45 | Zolden | emp is not much effective now becasue speed of ships increased, and emp balls still fly slow |
| 01:11.52 | A1win | should come up with a better secondary for fireflies |
| 01:11.59 | A1win | yeah ship speed maybe bit too fast now |
| 01:12.26 | A1win | and thruster a bit too efficient |
| 01:12.30 | A1win | wanted to test those limits |
| 01:12.47 | A1win | that one guy keeps telling me I should increase movement speed |
| 01:12.54 | A1win | can't convince him otherwise :P |
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| 01:14.30 | A1win | laser is tricky, sometimes it feels like it's impossible to hit and sometimes it's easy... depends so much on how other ships are moving |
| 01:14.54 | A1win | I wonder if I should add a short delay when switching weapons |
| 01:14.56 | Zolden | yea |
| 01:15.04 | Zolden | yea to laser |
| 01:15.07 | Zolden | dunno about delay |
| 01:15.16 | A1win | mm maybe not |
| 01:16.19 | A1win | what if I put death messages to top center? |
| 01:17.20 | A1win | also how was the field of view? felt maybe bit too large |
| 01:17.28 | Necromoni | :l |
| 01:18.08 | Necromoni | Anyone willing to make terrain for me? |
| 01:18.36 | Necromoni | It's for an arena map |
| 01:22.33 | A1win | hmm death messages at top could work |
| 01:23.34 | Zolden | time to sleep |
| 01:26.12 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a111/SC2%202013-12-05%2003-25-38-30.jpg |
| 01:26.36 | A1win | newest one at top |
| 01:28.15 | Necromoni | holy fek |
| 01:29.04 | Necromoni | n yeah the msgs look good |
| 01:29.16 | Necromoni | else it could go to the bottom right? |
| 01:29.34 | A1win | they used to be on top of the scoreboard but they were difficult to notice |
| 01:29.47 | A1win | yeah was thinking of bottom too, dunno |
| 01:29.58 | A1win | it'll overlap with loadout selection when you're dead |
| 01:30.02 | Necromoni | gonna add icons in there? |
| 01:30.07 | A1win | where? |
| 01:30.12 | Necromoni | death msgs |
| 01:30.32 | A1win | dunno if they'd look good so small |
| 01:30.40 | Necromoni | they would |
| 01:30.48 | Necromoni | :L |
| 01:31.17 | A1win | the icons are designed to have borders |
| 01:31.24 | Necromoni | oh |
| 01:31.26 | A1win | unless I make completely new ones |
| 01:31.37 | Necromoni | sounds like something for another time then |
| 01:31.51 | A1win | using default SC2 icons |
| 01:31.58 | A1win | for the most part |
| 01:32.31 | A1win | yeah I'm not really a 2D artist either, if I can get someone else to make me icons later down the road, it might happen |
| 01:33.53 | Bommes | "WARCRAFT movie fans! Cast reveal: Ben Foster, Travis Fimmel, Paula Patton, Toby Kebbell, & Rob Kazinsky." |
| 01:34.10 | Necromoni | huh |
| 01:34.51 | Necromoni | warcraft movie? |
| 01:35.09 | Necromoni | live action? |
| 01:35.15 | Bommes | yes |
| 01:35.26 | A1win | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft_(film)# |
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| 01:35.43 | Necromoni | mmmm i shouldnt have left this chat so long |
| 01:35.58 | bobbb | is there a way to flash dialog item text.. like make it pulse a different color repeatedly |
| 01:36.54 | A1win | bobbb, well no easy way that I can think of, but you could make a loop that updates it color |
| 01:37.03 | bobbb | hmm yea |
| 01:37.12 | DeadZergling | only 5 actors for the whole movie huh |
| 01:37.17 | A1win | ;x |
| 01:37.18 | DeadZergling | guess they forgot to build farms |
| 01:38.02 | A1win | interesting, haven't seen any of those actors before I think |
| 01:38.29 | A1win | nothing familiar in their filmography |
| 01:41.22 | Necromoni | need more farms |
| 01:41.47 | A1win | except rob kazinsky in true blood |
| 01:42.51 | Necromoni | Anyone want to help me make a terrain for an arena? |
| 01:43.04 | Necromoni | Most of the data work is complete :L |
| 01:43.16 | bobbb | what type of arena |
| 01:43.30 | Necromoni | circlular arena |
| 01:43.38 | bobbb | game type? |
| 01:43.49 | Necromoni | idk |
| 01:43.54 | Necromoni | i think its cat n mouse? |
| 01:43.57 | Necromoni | but theres no buildings? |
| 01:44.52 | Necromoni | The pathing for it is done already |
| 01:44.57 | Necromoni | just need a copy paster for the pathing |
| 01:45.04 | Necromoni | and then they can implement their own theme on it |
| 01:48.05 | Necromoni | just sucks to see this old data work go to waste cuz my terrainer couldnt finish it |
| 01:49.50 | A1win | maybe this is your chance to learn the terrain editor ;3 |
| 01:50.04 | Necromoni | I tried but |
| 01:50.09 | Necromoni | I hate how it came out |
| 01:50.36 | A1win | repeat until you don't hate it anymore |
| 01:50.43 | Necromoni | lol |
| 01:51.19 | A1win | sleep time |
| 01:51.25 | Necromoni | later |
| 01:59.10 | DeadZergling | A1win makes a good point Necromoni, that is how terrain goes |
| 01:59.19 | DeadZergling | just keep at it until you don't hate it |
| 01:59.48 | Necromoni | I can't get the symmetry right |
| 02:00.04 | Necromoni | Isnt there an easy way |
| 02:00.09 | DeadZergling | you do of course realize, that terrain has a copy paste function? |
| 02:00.09 | Necromoni | to get the symmetry? |
| 02:00.11 | Necromoni | like a copy paste |
| 02:00.19 | Necromoni | no |
| 02:00.22 | Necromoni | :l |
| 02:00.24 | DeadZergling | well it does :) |
| 02:00.29 | Necromoni | can it flip it too? |
| 02:00.30 | Necromoni | lol |
| 02:00.33 | DeadZergling | has rotate functions too |
| 02:00.37 | Necromoni | well shit |
| 02:01.12 | DeadZergling | you will have to spend a little time making sure cliffs got textures sometimes |
| 02:01.14 | DeadZergling | but it goes pretty easy for the most part |
| 02:01.16 | Necromoni | thanks zergling |
| 02:01.16 | Necromoni | lol |
| 02:02.50 | Necromoni | ok so apparently he did send me the map |
| 02:03.04 | Necromoni | that he didnt finish, so i dont have to worry about it anyways |
| 02:03.07 | Necromoni | lol |
| 02:07.08 | DeadZergling | isn't teamwork grand Necromoni? |
| 02:16.05 | Necromoni | i guess lol |
| 02:16.34 | Necromoni | so laggy tho |
| 02:16.39 | Necromoni | o.o |
| 02:17.20 | A1win | the editor even has a symmetry tool |
| 02:17.40 | Necromoni | Guess i do need to go learn the Terrain editor |
| 02:17.41 | A1win | somewhere under map options |
| 02:17.46 | Necromoni | idk half the things hes done here |
| 02:18.00 | Necromoni | a bunch of little pointing things on here |
| 02:18.00 | Necromoni | :l |
| 02:18.08 | Necromoni | alot of lag tho |
| 02:20.02 | A1win | hmm got a name idea but already shut down my pc, so don't want to share in case it'll stick and someone ninjapublishes it 8) |
| 02:20.29 | A1win | not super awesomecakes but not bad... |
| 02:21.33 | DeadZergling | just gotta say you don't feel like getting shot down any more for tonight |
| 02:21.38 | DeadZergling | and not make it so grand |
| 02:21.43 | A1win | "can you guess what it is?" (on the hopes that someone suggests something good) |
| 02:21.53 | A1win | *in |
| 02:22.26 | DeadZergling | does it start with Star? |
| 02:22.36 | A1win | nope |
| 02:23.44 | DeadZergling | saw a new space game coming to NA/EU server yesterday |
| 02:23.45 | Necromoni | lol |
| 02:24.02 | Necromoni | start with galaxy? |
| 02:24.21 | A1win | star space galaxy |
| 02:24.41 | Necromoni | thats it? |
| 02:24.45 | A1win | haha |
| 02:24.51 | Necromoni | :l |
| 02:24.59 | A1win | that one starts with star |
| 02:25.04 | DeadZergling | Banshee Blood i think it was called |
| 02:25.26 | A1win | what a weird name! |
| 02:25.31 | DeadZergling | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/banshee-blood/ |
| 02:26.40 | A1win | I want my game to look pretty too :[ |
| 02:27.07 | DeadZergling | The Ugliest Spaceships? |
| 02:27.09 | Necromoni | Astromoni? |
| 02:27.27 | Necromoni | is it Astromoni |
| 02:27.32 | Necromoni | tell me its Astromoni |
| 02:27.36 | Necromoni | lol |
| 02:27.51 | A1win | how did you- no |
| 02:28.09 | Necromoni | lol |
| 02:28.16 | Necromoni | does it start with Astro |
| 02:28.18 | A1win | it's funny because no sounds like know |
| 02:28.21 | Necromoni | or Cosmo |
| 02:28.29 | Necromoni | ya i got it |
| 02:28.38 | Necromoni | Cosmonatti |
| 02:28.43 | DeadZergling | clever, not sure it was funny though |
| 02:28.48 | DeadZergling | much like your current map name |
| 02:28.57 | Necromoni | lol |
| 02:28.58 | A1win | it was |
| 02:29.09 | Necromoni | Acetrow |
| 02:29.10 | Necromoni | ? |
| 02:29.21 | Necromoni | ittanomsoc? |
| 02:29.37 | DeadZergling | A1win test map 2 |
| 02:29.43 | Necromoni | loooool |
| 02:29.44 | A1win | space betweem your ears |
| 02:29.48 | A1win | n |
| 02:30.03 | Necromoni | ur face? |
| 02:30.04 | Necromoni | lol |
| 02:30.25 | DeadZergling | Inner Space, booooo |
| 02:30.29 | A1win | so much hype |
| 02:30.33 | Necromoni | guerres spatiales? |
| 02:31.01 | Necromoni | spatiaux control? |
| 02:31.12 | DeadZergling | yea, too bad it will sound worse than an ape taking a shit |
| 02:31.16 | Necromoni | spatiaux? |
| 02:31.18 | DeadZergling | i think that is why he won't say it |
| 02:31.26 | A1win | maybe I should name it in Finnish |
| 02:31.48 | A1win | Avaruusrakettitaistelu |
| 02:32.09 | DeadZergling | just no to that |
| 02:32.10 | A1win | space rocket combat |
| 02:32.21 | A1win | ;3 |
| 02:32.24 | DeadZergling | your game has rockets? |
| 02:32.49 | A1win | dunno |
| 02:33.04 | Necromoni | all ships have a rocket |
| 02:33.09 | Necromoni | they are rockets |
| 02:33.11 | Necromoni | :L |
| 02:33.29 | A1win | with infinite fuel |
| 02:33.46 | Necromoni | Space Rocket Action |
| 02:33.46 | DeadZergling | yea, is like calling a game ninja turtles and forgetting to have any ninja turtles |
| 02:33.58 | Necromoni | no its like saying |
| 02:34.07 | Necromoni | no |
| 02:34.09 | Necromoni | :L |
| 02:34.15 | Necromoni | ships are rockets |
| 02:34.22 | Necromoni | so rocket goes with space anyday |
| 02:34.24 | A1win | was joking about the finnish anyway ;p |
| 02:35.46 | DeadZergling | that's good, because Shark Fighters would sound silly |
| 02:36.18 | DeadZergling | or Swordfish Scufflers |
| 02:36.50 | Necromoni | O.o |
| 02:40.28 | DeadZergling | Spaceships in Spaaaaaccceeee! |
| 02:40.53 | DeadZergling | all your players could then be known as Sis'ies |
| 02:47.17 | Ahli | fockewulf is still around :D hahahaha |
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| 02:52.31 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 03:07.39 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, our favorite whiner is still around |
| 03:07.58 | ArcanePariah | Still in college and still thinks Blizzard is complete fail |
| 03:08.07 | Ahli | new name... I was surprised that I didn't know that person from bnet forums already, but now it makes sense |
| 03:08.42 | ArcanePariah | Apparently he has devised a superior pathing engine.... (misses the point that algorithims are easy, implementing them are hard...) |
| 03:09.49 | ArcanePariah | And in what universe is 2 year old maps somehow automatically make them bad... uggh he gets on my nerves |
| 03:11.10 | ArcanePariah | Anyhow, pretty decent turnout for the Arcade Night, about 50 people in it |
| 03:11.25 | rtschutter | yeah it looks pretty good |
| 03:12.24 | Ahli | beer empty, Ahli sad |
| 03:12.51 | Ahli | opens the last beer available in his flat |
| 03:14.14 | Ahli | prost btw |
| 03:17.21 | DeadZergling | mind linking me to where he is saying all this, lol |
| 03:21.01 | A1win | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EZ_nj-dZ3Q spaceships in the space |
| 03:28.55 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zandose (Zandose@24.246.78.228) |
| 03:29.21 | Zandose | hi |
| 03:30.49 | Zandose | random question into the void: if i wanted to project/direct electrical energy forward, from presay a hand, how could that be done? in theory |
| 03:31.14 | ArcanePariah | Are we talking real life? |
| 03:31.40 | Zandose | in the real world i guess but i just want a general idea for game stuff |
| 03:31.50 | ArcanePariah | Hand mounted taser? |
| 03:32.06 | Zandose | doesnt that send electrical energy between two points? |
| 03:32.37 | ArcanePariah | Yes, but there is no way to direct electrical arcs unless the target is already pre charged |
| 03:32.44 | Zandose | i was thinking of throwing or creating a beam of electrical energy to fire at someone |
| 03:33.08 | Zandose | hmm |
| 03:35.31 | Zandose | cant alter it in some way to make it work? |
| 03:38.46 | Zandose | so i have to use the "its magic" method |
| 03:41.52 | DeadZergling | Zandose, can you be more descriptive |
| 03:42.04 | DeadZergling | I get you want electricity, out of a hand, in a game :P |
| 03:42.14 | DeadZergling | but how it happens is a bit confusing at this point |
| 03:43.03 | Zandose | i see |
| 03:43.12 | DeadZergling | do you want a beam coming straight out |
| 03:43.30 | DeadZergling | or an orb that then explodes and causes a beam to go after them? |
| 03:44.31 | Zandose | yes but i dont want to know how to make it in data. im lookign for how someone in the real world would make a beam of enectical energy |
| 03:44.48 | DeadZergling | I need to get going however, so think about it :) lots here knowledgeable about this sort of thing |
| 03:45.13 | Zandose | k |
| 03:45.14 | Zandose | ttyl |
| 03:45.38 | DeadZergling | ah, closest I saw to that was a squirt gun with an electrical current traveling through it on mythbusters |
| 03:46.30 | DeadZergling | anywho, laters :) |
| 03:53.04 | JademusSreg | Played Starbound beta, enjoyable so far. Crashed while saving, haha. |
| 03:53.26 | JademusSreg | Now to make some extension mods. |
| 03:54.20 | nooblark | meh, i looked at irc too late |
| 03:54.28 | nooblark | to get my jade quote for today |
| 04:04.48 | Kueken | zandose: electrical beams in real life? |
| 04:05.12 | Kueken | what about a taser? :p |
| 04:13.26 | Dustin | jade, i played some too. im liking it. trying to find hella ore for a beacon |
| 04:16.19 | JademusSreg | Same. |
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| 04:32.13 | Zandose | does anyone know about Ranees (is that her name or did i get it wrong?) current data project? |
| 04:35.34 | JademusSreg | Renee and Gax3 |
| 04:37.00 | Zandose | wasnt sure if it was Renne or Ranne |
| 04:37.04 | Zandose | Ranee* |
| 04:37.14 | JademusSreg | None of those are correct. |
| 04:37.20 | Zandose | err |
| 04:37.33 | Zandose | you know what i meant :) |
| 04:37.36 | Kueken | renanenanana |
| 04:37.36 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 04:39.55 | Zandose | i was wondering how its done |
| 04:40.11 | JademusSreg | Open it up and take a look. |
| 04:40.28 | Zandose | you got the map? im not sure where i put my copy |
| 04:41.46 | JademusSreg | Dunno to which map you refer, but studying its content would work regardless. =D |
| 04:41.47 | Zandose | or remember what its called? |
| 04:42.21 | JademusSreg | Renee maintains the Gax3 mod. |
| 04:42.27 | Zandose | yep |
| 04:46.07 | Kueken | if you want to see the script, you should ask Jade for a cleaned up version |
| 04:46.29 | Kueken | the script in the mod is not exactly in a readable format |
| 04:48.24 | Zandose | i rememeber it being a bit hard to read |
| 04:49.03 | Zandose | i assume Jade is refering to JademusSreg? |
| 04:49.34 | Kueken | hai |
| 04:49.36 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 04:49.55 | Kueken | rememeber |
| 04:50.05 | Kueken | sounds like a dessert |
| 04:50.57 | JademusSreg | Pronounced rem-em-eber or re-me-meber? |
| 04:51.49 | Kueken | more like re-mô-mberè |
| 04:52.10 | Kueken | ...probably messed that up |
| 04:52.17 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 04:53.17 | JademusSreg | Oh, and here's GAx3 with more readable formatting: https://pastee.org/u7rct |
| 04:53.17 | Zandose | so JademusSreg, care you share a file? |
| 04:53.18 | Kueken | fairly rusty on my phonetics, otherwise I could try that |
| 04:53.41 | JademusSreg | *GAx3's script |
| 04:53.47 | Zandose | what about the local data thing? |
| 04:54.15 | JademusSreg | Asynchronous actors, yeah. |
| 04:54.33 | Kueken | note that GAx3 uses quite a lot of trigger/data interaction, so the script alone is not that helpful, you will need to look at the used data objects as well |
| 04:56.07 | Zandose | i understand the asyn for pre player actor messages but what about using it with the mouses position |
| 04:57.47 | Zandose | their was a ability when created a laser from your unit to the position of the mouse instantly (locally) |
| 04:58.04 | Kueken | thats purely data |
| 04:58.18 | Kueken | and possible without the GAx3 mod |
| 04:58.26 | Zandose | hmm |
| 04:59.37 | ArcanePariah | That is data, you use the Ability.target.on to create a beam actor, launch site is caster, impact is cursor iirc |
| 04:59.41 | ArcanePariah | Or something like that |
| 04:59.54 | ArcanePariah | Look at Raynor Snipe Ability for details |
| 05:00.03 | Zandose | and this will work without having to send data over the network? |
| 05:00.16 | Kueken | you could say that |
| 05:00.57 | Kueken | Raynor Snipe is the "classic" way to do it, it is very complicated and requires the use of global references, making it not Mui |
| 05:01.32 | Kueken | since then, Arc actors have been implemented, which are designed to replace this method with a more convenient way |
| 05:01.46 | Zandose | arc actors? |
| 05:01.58 | Kueken | I think thats how they are called |
| 05:03.10 | Zandose | can you use a abilities hotkey without network traffic? |
| 05:03.56 | Kueken | if the ability enters targeting mode and you didn't set up any keypress events, it should enter targeting mode locally |
| 05:04.10 | Kueken | it is possible that no network traffic is generated in this case |
| 05:04.12 | Zandose | skipping the keypress event? |
| 05:05.12 | Kueken | the tooltip for keypress events suggests, that network traffic is generated for every key pressed as soon as you defined at least one keypress event |
| 05:05.29 | Kueken | however, I am not sure how accurate these tooltips are |
| 05:05.49 | Kueken | why is network traffic a concern of yours anyway? |
| 05:08.13 | Zandose | to skips the delay until the player has made a decision and to keep the graphics going |
| 05:08.20 | Kueken | and yes, it was arc actors |
| 05:08.21 | Zandose | food break |
| 05:09.23 | JademusSreg | Arc and Quad actors. |
| 05:09.50 | Zandose | never heard of those before |
| 05:10.06 | JademusSreg | Introduced with the data preceding HotS. |
| 05:10.14 | Kueken | Jade: any insights on the differences between the 2? |
| 05:10.32 | Kueken | they have the same fields and function basically the same |
| 05:10.39 | Kueken | from my experiments at least |
| 05:11.46 | Kueken | oh nvm, just looked them up and they have different fields |
| 05:12.07 | Kueken | I must remember the wrong experiment then >.< |
| 05:12.55 | ArcanePariah | I'm curious, what exactly are quad and arc actors? The impression I get of quads is they are basically the thing that shows kerrigans psi charge in the campaign? |
| 05:13.39 | ArcanePariah | The fileds seemto sugguest it will create an actor at launch point/host, an actor at impact point, and an actor between |
| 05:13.45 | ArcanePariah | that is dynamically resized |
| 05:14.30 | JademusSreg | Hm, I've actually not examined Arc actors more than superficially. I know Quad creates model actors for line ends, sides, fills it all in. If Arc is superficially similar, it probably only uses a subset of those options. |
| 05:15.18 | ArcanePariah | The impression I get of Quad actors they are a mix of a beam and rectangle region actor |
| 05:15.34 | Kueken | I used Arc as a replacement for those raynor snipe-like target indicators |
| 05:16.13 | Kueken | you can easily make them display an actor facing the mouse position in ability targeting mode |
| 05:16.27 | JademusSreg | Kerrigan's Falcon Kick-- er, Psychic Explodingfoot or whatever uses a Quad actor, for instance. |
| 05:16.40 | Kueken | it will also adapt to the ability range, so the model displays at the expected cast location |
| 05:17.16 | Kueken | so quad can dunamically adjust its "size" |
| 05:17.42 | Kueken | arc is limited to displaying a model and changing position and orientation, I believe |
| 05:17.46 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, the Arc actor is basically the quad, but circular as oppsoed to rectangle |
| 05:26.39 | ArcanePariah | So JademusSreg, anything new in data mining or is it pretty much all done for now |
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| 05:38.18 | JademusSreg | I'll examine the layout files soonish, but no new natives, some extended dialog control properties, and that's all I've found so far. Renee said there were no new interesting fields in data, but I'll examine it for myself, eventually. |
| 05:40.46 | JademusSreg | Oh, look, Riot continues its anticompetitive practices, guess it wasn't enough to have exclusivity at tournaments: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/12/riot-tells-pro-league-of-legends-players-they-cant-stream-competing-games/ |
| 05:41.19 | JademusSreg | "These prohibited games include direct competitors in the multiplayer online battle arena space such as Dota 2 and Heroes of Newerth, other competitive titles such as the StarCraft franchise, and, peculiarly, the PlayStation 3 title Fat Princess." |
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| 06:07.52 | JademusSreg | Missed the discussion earlier about Mumwolf The Ever-Whining. |
| 06:08.11 | ezbeats | hi sc2mapster |
| 06:08.17 | JademusSreg | What was it crying about this time? |
| 06:09.35 | JademusSreg | Hallo ezb. Have you come to share the freshest beats in all of Washington? |
| 06:10.44 | ArcanePariah | Jade, he was at the Arcade Night, made mostly snarky comments like how we were playing 2 year old maps, and was wondering if it was an esport promo, and that the SC2 pathfinding enginesucks and during a school project he came up with a better one |
| 06:11.57 | JademusSreg | Hah, doubt he could even develop an algorithm to pathfind out of a paper bag. |
| 06:12.18 | ArcanePariah | Well he didn't he just used the one presented in class lol |
| 06:12.38 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 06:15.21 | JademusSreg | I coded the Input script initially because he was here talking about his zomgsome WASD system, but refused to describe it or show it to anyone. |
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| 06:16.57 | ezbeats | jademusreg howd you know im in washington? |
| 06:17.07 | JademusSreg | I'm a wizzard. |
| 06:17.21 | JademusSreg | With -two- Zs. |
| 06:17.31 | ezbeats | you mean 2 zs |
| 06:17.45 | JademusSreg | Yeah, those too. |
| 06:17.55 | ezbeats | what is better a wizer or sorceror? |
| 06:18.01 | ezbeats | wizzard* heh |
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| 06:19.12 | JademusSreg | Wizzards are better, excel at running quickly away from danger. |
| 06:19.26 | ezbeats | any good wizzard would not need to run IMO |
| 06:19.41 | ezbeats | else hes not worth the staff he beholds |
| 06:20.30 | JademusSreg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rincewind |
| 06:22.07 | Necromoni | wow wtf riot |
| 06:22.07 | Necromoni | lol |
| 06:22.23 | ezbeats | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDAQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.urbandictionary.com%2Fdefine.php%3Fterm%3DWizzard&ei=jhugUoC-MqiAiwKC3oCACA&usg=AFQjCNEFSsFn7S_6gGnw-W6LoaeWdmP7sg&bvm=bv.57155469,d.cGE |
| 06:22.35 | ezbeats | @ jademussreg |
| 06:22.56 | JademusSreg | brb @ whenever |
| 06:23.04 | ezbeats | referencing the 2nd definition |
| 06:23.56 | ezbeats | any artists out there tonight? |
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| 06:33.30 | JademusSreg | Yep. All of them. |
| 06:35.24 | JademusSreg | This will make an amusing extension mod: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/Tiberium%20Red%20Zone.jpg |
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| 06:50.43 | Bounty | Pew |
| 06:56.13 | ArcanePariah | Heheh Jade |
| 06:56.35 | ArcanePariah | Now replace siege tanks with mammoth tanks, and gimme an Ion Cannon and I'll be happy |
| 06:56.55 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... I should try duplicating the Ion Cannon |
| 06:57.09 | ArcanePariah | At least the one from C&C3 |
| 06:57.37 | ArcanePariah | Be intersting to do the actors for that |
| 06:58.09 | ArcanePariah | 6 beams facing vertically, probably have to use movers with persisten effects to do the inward spiral |
| 06:58.21 | ArcanePariah | And then the final beam |
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| 07:00.31 | ArcanePariah | Got a question JademusSreg, would it possible to create an arbitrary long beam effect by doing a chain of search effects with offsets from a persistent and have the last effect in the periodic effects be another persistent, and thus chain them? |
| 07:01.03 | ArcanePariah | More to the point, does a persistent effect spawned from the periodic effect of another persistent use the periodic offsets? |
| 07:01.36 | ArcanePariah | Or does it also use the same point of origin, or is it a matter of configuring the source location (I'm guessing source would be the correct setting) |
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| 07:06.06 | ArcanePariah | I spy with my arcane eye, something that quacks |
| 07:06.15 | ArcanePariah | Sup duckies |
| 07:06.55 | duckies | hey pariah, just quacking around, bothering old ladies for food, the usual stuff |
| 07:07.16 | ArcanePariah | good times XD |
| 07:07.17 | duckies | anything new and exciting with ptr or just same old? |
| 07:07.29 | ArcanePariah | People are starting to upload extension mods |
| 07:07.34 | ArcanePariah | Already like 7 |
| 07:07.39 | ArcanePariah | in addtion to blizzards 3 |
| 07:08.00 | ArcanePariah | 1 of blizzards make the fucking minieral fields into critters basically, they move around at random |
| 07:08.05 | duckies | extension mods ar just pure data? |
| 07:08.10 | ArcanePariah | probes c hasing min fields was funny as hell |
| 07:08.12 | ArcanePariah | Apparently no |
| 07:08.40 | ArcanePariah | Extension mods are the same as normal mods, just with an option ticked |
| 07:08.45 | ArcanePariah | So you can add trigger libs |
| 07:08.48 | duckies | ooh, so can you for example make an extension mod that converts a map into "all players vs insane ai"? |
| 07:09.09 | ArcanePariah | Not sure about that, I dunno if mods can add game variants |
| 07:10.19 | duckies | aha, can you for example make a dialog button pop up on players screen with something happening when it's clicked? |
| 07:10.45 | ArcanePariah | I don't see why not, since you can include trigger libs, which means events and all that |
| 07:11.21 | ArcanePariah | Soulfilcher has a mod up that allows you to pregame customize your tech tree apparently |
| 07:11.24 | ArcanePariah | Going to try it out |
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| 07:12.04 | duckies_ | eh, today is one of thise days where mmy internet is gonna go out every few minutes :/ |
| 07:12.09 | G0A | need to find out a game that works with blizzard maps |
| 07:14.10 | ArcanePariah | Hehe, yeah, Soulfllcher mod is cool, you basically get to pick a subfaction |
| 07:14.25 | ArcanePariah | Enables/disables different tech things and converts stuff |
| 07:14.39 | ArcanePariah | Like you can pick a toss tribe and lose archons and get dark archons |
| 07:14.46 | ArcanePariah | and shit like that :D |
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| 07:16.37 | G0A | did they made something that it would be easy to convert a map into an extension map |
| 07:16.59 | ArcanePariah | I think extensions can be applied to any map really |
| 07:17.17 | ArcanePariah | It basically is allowing users to apply dependencies to a map instead of a developer |
| 07:17.50 | ArcanePariah | and maps are not extension maps, you just apply the extension when selecting which map you want to play |
| 07:18.02 | ArcanePariah | You can create a custom game, and next to that, create game with mod |
| 07:18.42 | G0A | ArcanePariah I mean I want to convert my map to be an extension mod |
| 07:19.06 | ArcanePariah | Then you just need to make your map into a mod dependency |
| 07:19.14 | ArcanePariah | extension mods = mod dependencies |
| 07:19.24 | ArcanePariah | Just with one option ticked, nothing more |
| 07:19.24 | G0A | ok |
| 07:19.38 | G0A | and how does the popularity tracked? |
| 07:20.02 | ArcanePariah | identical to the arcade (Top Played, Top Rated, Newest, Up and Coming) |
| 07:20.03 | duckies_ | do you care about popularity in custom games goa :D |
| 07:20.37 | duckies_ | hm, so things like huskies imba league is possible through them, that's pretty cool |
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| 07:22.49 | G0A | popularity dont cares about me, but I care about it a bit |
| 07:23.10 | duckies | hm, they're pretty wonderful,extension mode, make me want to make something insane and see how it would work on all the melee maps out there |
| 07:23.21 | duckies | aaaargh! |
| 07:24.17 | duckies | omg, hah, they're actually like real mods from sc/wc era :D |
| 07:24.37 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, I'm liking soulfilcher bw mod |
| 07:24.48 | G0A | like my killed unit turns into your unit mod:D |
| 07:24.48 | ArcanePariah | lets you create your own tech tree, mix of sc2 and bw |
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| 07:36.50 | ArcanePariah | And I'm terrible at melee sc2, AI destroys me |
| 07:37.51 | ArcanePariah | I see extension mods as being a nice starting point for possible mapmakers, make something simple and fun |
| 07:39.12 | DeadZergling | wonder how many decide to stealth make things too powerful |
| 07:39.21 | DeadZergling | IE, sneak in 50 damage scvs |
| 07:39.28 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 07:39.32 | ArcanePariah | Well, one already cloaks all defense structures |
| 07:39.40 | ArcanePariah | But yeah, that would be hilarious |
| 07:39.44 | ArcanePariah | SCV ALL IN |
| 07:40.00 | JademusSreg | Got distracted playing with my Tiberium. Gotta make that mod. |
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| 07:40.49 | JademusSreg | The growth pattern reminds me of bacterial cultures. |
| 07:40.50 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 07:42.21 | ArcanePariah | One interesting side effect I think extnesion mods will bring is increase the visability of arcade maps, since many current melee mods are published as arcade maps. WIth extension mods, those can be removed |
| 07:42.50 | ArcanePariah | And thus more custom arcade maps may become visible instead of being buried under various melee mods |
| 07:42.56 | ArcanePariah | like mono battles for instance |
| 07:43.08 | JademusSreg | Increased modding, too, since it doesn't necessitate a complete design. |
| 07:43.13 | ArcanePariah | That can almost certainly be redone as an extension mod |
| 07:43.32 | ArcanePariah | Will increase mono battle popularity, since any map can be used now, and right now its take a spot in top maps |
| 07:43.56 | JademusSreg | Someone wake up Motive and get him to port Cortex. |
| 07:44.00 | ArcanePariah | Yes, making an extension mod will be a relatively simple thing, and thus beginner friendly |
| 07:44.21 | ArcanePariah | No need to deal with triggers (unless you want to) or terrain or variants or player properties |
| 07:44.36 | ArcanePariah | Just data, maybe a smatter of triggers, and some attributes |
| 07:44.43 | JademusSreg | People will actually make and -finish- more projects, haha. |
| 07:44.58 | ArcanePariah | The moving minerals is good one blizzard did, simple but fun as hell |
| 07:45.23 | G0A | hmm we should make an extension mode collaboration on sc2mapster where we put all our crazy ideas into 1 mod. And the various ideas can be voted at the start of the map. |
| 07:45.28 | JademusSreg | I have soooo many demos worth porting. =D |
| 07:45.31 | JademusSreg | brb++ |
| 07:45.46 | ArcanePariah | G0A, agreeed, and I foresee many extension mods being combined |
| 07:45.51 | ArcanePariah | and then tweaked |
| 07:46.01 | ArcanePariah | Since you can add extension mods as a dependency |
| 07:46.12 | G0A | hmm |
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| 07:46.25 | ArcanePariah | So I could make Big Game Hunter Wandering Minierals in a few moments |
| 07:46.48 | ArcanePariah | The possiblites are quite endless |
| 07:49.36 | duckies | how about making a team vs team mod where only 2 players are playing normally and rest of their team are posessing their units dungeon-keeper style like in that TPS map we had at the beginning of SC? :D |
| 07:50.07 | duckies | pretty much your sc2universe right there :D |
| 07:51.22 | ArcanePariah | Yeah... I mean, although it still is melee game play, you can almost certainly use trigger libs and modify the gamedata object to preload your own libs and thus through triggers modify everything |
| 07:51.28 | ArcanePariah | except terrain |
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| 07:52.50 | ArcanePariah | As jade put it, it allows people to do development of features without a fully developed map. Thus you get a continunum of development, from simple (Blizzards Wandering minierals) to complex (Soulflicher SC2 expanded) |
| 07:52.59 | ArcanePariah | and everything in between |
| 07:54.21 | G0A | duckies how about placing rocks everywhere on the map so you have to dig to the enemy |
| 07:54.27 | ArcanePariah | LOL |
| 07:54.31 | G0A | also blocking air units |
| 07:54.35 | ArcanePariah | SC2 Bomberman :D |
| 07:54.41 | G0A | :) |
| 07:54.57 | G0A | duckies is killed by his isp |
| 07:55.02 | crackies | he-he-he |
| 07:55.02 | ArcanePariah | Should be possible, just have trigger on map init place rocks at all valid locations |
| 07:55.13 | G0A | yeah |
| 07:55.15 | G0A | pretty easy |
| 07:55.37 | ArcanePariah | I got a better idea, place mineral fields everywhere :D |
| 07:55.42 | G0A | I already know after finishing my current patch for my map I will put all my crazy ideas into one extension mode.D |
| 07:55.44 | ArcanePariah | Mine to the enemy |
| 07:55.50 | G0A | that would be op |
| 07:56.07 | ArcanePariah | Sure... then mix it with BGH mod :D :D :D |
| 07:56.39 | ArcanePariah | (Which just sets mins to 25k) |
| 07:56.56 | ArcanePariah | I also foresee many custom mods just add custom UI elements/controls |
| 07:57.19 | G0A | like you are controling an ai:D |
| 07:57.33 | ArcanePariah | Like there is a person in the PTR feedback forum who wants a control to set the soundtracks from the BW and SC2 soundtracks |
| 07:57.35 | G0A | just pointing out for the ai where to attack |
| 07:57.49 | ArcanePariah | Which I know I could whip up pretty easy |
| 07:58.14 | crackies | goa, can't you already do that with ai? |
| 07:58.14 | ArcanePariah | Add standard list UI element and couple buttoss witha couple hookups and a trigger or 2 |
| 07:58.23 | ArcanePariah | Yes you can, its built in |
| 07:58.45 | G0A | but not as an observer |
| 07:59.22 | crackies | oh, so an indirect ai combat, eh |
| 08:01.24 | DeadZergling | they have this feature already G0A |
| 08:01.27 | DeadZergling | it is called melee |
| 08:01.46 | DeadZergling | you can tell workers where to mine, what buildings to build, fighters where to attack |
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| 08:02.36 | G0A | :DD |
| 08:02.51 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 08:04.16 | DeadZergling | well apparently my other select texture ID wasn't a fluke |
| 08:04.22 | DeadZergling | did it first try this time |
| 08:04.58 | DeadZergling | did have to edit pictures to make the color slightly better though |
| 08:05.10 | JademusSreg | Deadz has gained a level. Learned PK TextureSwap. Gained 3 Guts. |
| 08:05.22 | Kueken | ...oh? |
| 08:05.38 | G0A | :) |
| 08:05.41 | DeadZergling | just what I needed in my life, don't you know |
| 08:05.42 | Kueken | DeadZergling evolves to AlmostDeadZergling! |
| 08:05.50 | DeadZergling | another excuse to edit images |
| 08:05.53 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 08:06.54 | Kueken | btw, how did you like the building shake? xD |
| 08:07.13 | JademusSreg | Haven't seen it. =D |
| 08:07.24 | Kueken | not you, DeadZergling |
| 08:07.52 | Kueken | you would be terribly disappointed, Jade |
| 08:07.53 | JademusSreg | It's alright; I'm ego-centric. |
| 08:08.10 | Kueken | I hadn't noticed |
| 08:09.42 | DeadZergling | well, it is complaining about dependencies again |
| 08:09.51 | DeadZergling | is how I like it currently, wonder how that happened |
| 08:11.43 | DeadZergling | anyways, fucked off enough with this throwing bottle shit, time to dupe it for my other poor abilities that been waiting for me to get it just right |
| 08:14.06 | DeadZergling | I'll let you know right away as soon as it quits yelling at me about being too cheap to buy HoTS Kueken |
| 08:14.43 | Kueken | the last map I sent you should be WoL o_o |
| 08:15.01 | DeadZergling | I know, I saved it at work, copied it to flash, it still complains |
| 08:16.04 | Kueken | https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvv5f263bmgent6/BuildingShake.SC2Map |
| 08:16.10 | Kueken | in case you need the link again |
| 08:16.13 | JademusSreg | Hm, wonder how I should distribute Tiberium on a map. I'm thinking... meteors. |
| 08:16.23 | Kueken | or if Jade wants a new, juicy testmap :D |
| 08:16.52 | Kueken | nah, make it creatures with tiberium on their backs |
| 08:16.55 | JademusSreg | Baby, I love the way you make the building shake. |
| 08:17.07 | DeadZergling | it did it again |
| 08:17.24 | JademusSreg | Actually, that's what I plan for tiberium exposure. =D |
| 08:17.27 | Kueken | okay, Jade, could you check the dependencies? |
| 08:17.40 | Kueken | it only uses WoL campaign on my end |
| 08:18.00 | Kueken | why would it prompt DeadZergling to download HotS? |
| 08:18.21 | DeadZergling | doesn't prompt me, just says it is using a dependency I don't have |
| 08:18.22 | JademusSreg | Was it made with PTR? |
| 08:18.24 | DeadZergling | refuses to open |
| 08:18.35 | Kueken | nah, don't even have PTR installed |
| 08:18.38 | Kueken | yet |
| 08:19.14 | JademusSreg | Hm. Have a few files I could check. |
| 08:20.00 | DeadZergling | if all else fails, could save it as component folders and send that |
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| 08:20.17 | JademusSreg | Haha, what the hell. |
| 08:20.52 | JademusSreg | This is the UnitData: https://pastee.org/r55c |
| 08:21.13 | Kueken | :D |
| 08:21.13 | JademusSreg | Probably not the issue, but still odd. |
| 08:21.26 | Kueken | a remnant from a previous test |
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| 08:23.45 | Kueken | anyway, DeadZergling, no need for a component list, you can just add this entry to your actor XML data: |
| 08:23.46 | Kueken | http://pastebin.com/20sNUE4S |
| 08:24.06 | Kueken | it should create a new event macro called "ShakeMacro" |
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| 08:24.17 | Kueken | add that macro to any building and it should shake |
| 08:24.22 | Kueken | in theory |
| 08:24.27 | JademusSreg | Yeah, there's no Swarm references in the map. |
| 08:25.15 | Kueken | and it has cuddly shaking supply depots <3 |
| 08:25.30 | Kueken | they are probably freezing |
| 08:26.02 | Kueken | should order a command center to drop additional supplys, especially some blankets |
| 08:27.21 | JademusSreg | Haha, adorable. |
| 08:32.51 | JademusSreg | Making a huge stack of them. |
| 08:35.31 | JademusSreg | 64 supply depots. |
| 08:35.53 | JademusSreg | Oh wait, they can't morph back, damn. |
| 08:36.10 | Kueken | :P |
| 08:36.21 | Kueken | didn't exactly fine-tune anything |
| 08:37.27 | DeadZergling | you know, a slightly bee like unit and this macro |
| 08:37.33 | DeadZergling | could make an attack of the bees map |
| 08:38.03 | DeadZergling | attached it to the barracks, it makes it shake in flight too |
| 08:38.21 | DeadZergling | the shaking becomes much less erratic the longer the unit exists i noticed |
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| 08:43.35 | DeadZergling | definitely a nice little shake, I'm a little confused how I'd turn it off though |
| 08:43.50 | JademusSreg | Needz moar site ops. |
| 08:44.49 | DeadZergling | I am typically used to you know, making attachments destroy themselves |
| 08:45.03 | DeadZergling | this is a bit different I'm thinking |
| 08:45.41 | Kueken | you can probably start+stop the timer based on a behavior |
| 08:45.45 | Kueken | for easy usage |
| 08:46.33 | DeadZergling | perhaps, but I'm guessing the building would be left wherever it shaked last |
| 08:46.49 | Kueken | that can be handled |
| 08:47.02 | DeadZergling | which isn't necessarily a bad thing, just trying to understand if there is a way to detach it |
| 08:47.04 | Kueken | just make it complete the current cycle |
| 08:49.36 | DeadZergling | i don't get this part at all, TimerExpired: SetOpacity 1 |
| 08:49.56 | DeadZergling | anywho, before I forget, thanks a ton for doing all that |
| 08:50.02 | DeadZergling | is a lot to learn here from this alone |
| 08:50.14 | Kueken | don't mention it |
| 08:50.29 | Kueken | the opacity makes the helper model invisible |
| 08:51.15 | DeadZergling | sure, but it seems like this way, it is gonna do this action every .0625 |
| 08:51.43 | Kueken | yeah, you can shift that to actor creation, I just did it this way because I am lazy |
| 08:51.47 | DeadZergling | do see the Target now, so that makes sense |
| 08:51.58 | Kueken | it won't work in the editor on actor creation |
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| 08:53.58 | Kueken | I made it this way so I don't have to create or modify any additional object besides the macro |
| 08:54.19 | JademusSreg | Would be less hacky to use SOpRandomPointInCircle + Site Mover. |
| 08:54.47 | Kueken | feel free to make it work, I tried something similar |
| 08:54.57 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 08:58.00 | DeadZergling | well, I can play with that later when I get to my boss fight for area 3 anyways |
| 08:58.29 | DeadZergling | need to quit dinking around and get the lead out if I want to have a chance at stuffing this in the arcade before 2014 |
| 08:59.09 | JademusSreg | If tiberium replaces the mineral fields, that might cause problems. |
| 08:59.38 | JademusSreg | Since tiberium exposure is ultimately deadly. |
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| 09:04.52 | JademusSreg | Random initial placement, relative initial placement, replace minerals, or meteors. |
| 09:11.53 | Kueken | some huge alien godzilla walks around the map at the start and ejaculates tiberium on random locations along its path |
| 09:17.33 | DeadZergling | who would do the jerking off animations though? |
| 09:17.59 | Kueken | do you even have to ask? |
| 09:18.17 | DeadZergling | Zolden, but you might end up with Hitlerzilla too |
| 09:18.25 | JademusSreg | Hm, that would work as a boss. |
| 09:18.33 | Kueken | we put swastikas on the cheeks, and Zolden makes them in a heartbeat |
| 09:19.53 | Kueken | I am afraid Hitlerzilla will be censored by Blizzard, though :D |
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| 09:22.46 | DeadZergling | Probably be okay with Bushzilla or Romneyzilla though |
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| 10:18.31 | DeadZergling | so, any bonus XP for using texture select by ID to also get rid of graphics I don't like, lol |
| 10:18.53 | JademusSreg | Haha, yes. |
| 10:18.57 | DeadZergling | Hi Z |
| 10:19.24 | DeadZergling | I just made a small alpha image for it, is that even required though? |
| 10:19.31 | Zolden | Hi D |
| 10:20.18 | DeadZergling | set my tanks to 1000 hp this time? |
| 10:21.51 | Zolden | even then they would be badass enough |
| 10:22.07 | Zolden | do you even know that they have 2 sources of self-buffing damage? |
| 10:22.18 | Zolden | each attack can give them rage bonus |
| 10:22.28 | DeadZergling | yea, I took a really close look at bufferfly buffs |
| 10:22.32 | Zolden | and if they have hp < 75%, they have another damage bonus |
| 10:22.44 | DeadZergling | only reason to get bufferfly upgrade is to get battle tank |
| 10:22.51 | DeadZergling | worthless piece of crapperfly |
| 10:22.52 | Zolden | +bufferfly who gives regen + something else |
| 10:23.19 | DeadZergling | yea, I looked, more effective to just get more tanks |
| 10:23.21 | Zolden | bufferfly also deals huge damage to the raised by berserker unit |
| 10:23.39 | Zolden | yea, bufferfly can support 3-4 tanks |
| 10:24.00 | DeadZergling | not well enough to warrant bothering to get it |
| 10:24.17 | Zolden | ok, i'll test it |
| 10:24.28 | Zolden | time to balance researchable units |
| 10:24.37 | DeadZergling | look into upped crack elves too |
| 10:24.55 | DeadZergling | as far as I can tell, there is no reason to ever get upped crack elf instead of 3 more crack elves |
| 10:25.25 | Zolden | ok |
| 10:25.32 | Zolden | but ppl do get them |
| 10:25.46 | Zolden | you think they are stupid? |
| 10:26.03 | Zolden | or they are just followed the myth of "upped is better"? |
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| 10:26.16 | DeadZergling | myth, definitely |
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| 10:26.30 | Zolden | like when hitler created upgraded version of his moustaches and that brought some nice victories on eastern front |
| 10:26.37 | DeadZergling | let's put it this way |
| 10:26.51 | DeadZergling | a regular crack elf |
| 10:26.57 | DeadZergling | has 77 hp |
| 10:27.05 | DeadZergling | does i think 6-8 damage |
| 10:27.24 | DeadZergling | an upped crack elf, costing about 4 crack elves |
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| 10:27.30 | DeadZergling | has 200 hp |
| 10:27.40 | DeadZergling | does maybe 16-22 damage last I checked? |
| 10:28.02 | Zolden | take into account 33 or 50% attack speed increase |
| 10:28.10 | DeadZergling | you would think it would have maybe 320 hp, 24-32 damage at least |
| 10:28.16 | Zolden | so dps is more |
| 10:28.37 | Zolden | also upped has higher rate of dodge |
| 10:28.41 | DeadZergling | rather it shoot slower but hit harder, low damage is extremely ineffective in your game |
| 10:29.25 | Zolden | for lower tiers it is effective: low armor, big amounts, less probability to hit 1hp unit with 100 dmg |
| 10:29.26 | DeadZergling | what is the dodge chance increase? |
| 10:29.44 | JademusSreg | There are many approaches to balance, but by far the most widely used is Balance-By-Completely-Random-Guess. |
| 10:29.45 | Zolden | doge chance 25 -> 33 |
| 10:29.47 | Zolden | or like this |
| 10:30.01 | DeadZergling | 200 hps still isn't enough then |
| 10:30.15 | Zolden | ok, i'll pay attention to it |
| 10:30.26 | Zolden | still a big balance session ahead |
| 10:30.51 | DeadZergling | aye, I've tried the other builds, I don't like any as well as ranged |
| 10:30.53 | Zolden | kingTD u were right about the dragon attack |
| 10:30.56 | DeadZergling | so I almost always go that |
| 10:31.11 | kingTD | Zolden !!! |
| 10:31.11 | Zolden | JademusSreg yeah, i don't have a system, it just crystallizes |
| 10:31.48 | Zolden | DeadZergling and i suck at ranged by some reasons, but do well with others |
| 10:31.51 | JademusSreg | Perhaps a better word would be "accretes". |
| 10:32.10 | DeadZergling | i mostly like using the crack elves as starters |
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| 10:32.24 | DeadZergling | and the expensive hard hitters if I got gold but no other materials |
| 10:32.34 | Kueken | Zolden, we were talking about Hitlerzilla earlier |
| 10:32.38 | DeadZergling | but for the most part my army is entirely researched units |
| 10:32.40 | Kueken | your opinion? |
| 10:32.44 | kingTD | Ranged are just kinda auto lose since u cant really perform well with those crystalic waves.. |
| 10:33.15 | Kueken | and you now have bufferfly and schmettivac? |
| 10:33.26 | DeadZergling | indeed, have to play your cards extremely well to beat those |
| 10:33.40 | DeadZergling | they suck a big one against the robot lings too, lol |
| 10:33.44 | Zolden | Kueken hitlerzilla would have been created one day if germany and japan would capture the ussr |
| 10:33.58 | Zolden | but history missed its chance |
| 10:34.10 | Zolden | hitlerzilla could be an ultimate weapon against alien invasion |
| 10:34.50 | Zolden | army of hitlerzillas could help to take over some planets full of precious resources to create more hitlerzillas |
| 10:35.01 | Zolden | but we failed |
| 10:35.03 | Zolden | we all failed |
| 10:35.18 | DeadZergling | how would you convince the hitlerzillas the aliens are jewish? |
| 10:35.33 | Zolden | Kueken yes, they all are pretty well operational |
| 10:36.18 | Zolden | hitlerzillas are ancient monsters controled by industrial mechanisms and equipped by a pair of mustache |
| 10:36.24 | Kueken | unless we discover the ultimate arian uber-race aliens, hitlerzilla will anihilate them by default |
| 10:38.09 | Zolden | at least we discovered disc covers |
| 10:38.16 | Zolden | so our compact discs safe and sound |
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| 10:38.55 | kingTD | asdd |
| 10:39.11 | kingTD | 12355a |
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| 10:40.02 | DeadZergling | so, why exactly will hitlerzilla not kill us? |
| 10:40.10 | kingTD | 12312311aaa |
| 10:40.28 | kingTD | hmmm those fonts :/ |
| 10:42.27 | Zolden | DeadZergling because it will have a soul |
| 10:42.46 | Zolden | kingTD use default fonts |
| 10:42.58 | kingTD | font too small |
| 10:43.21 | kingTD | other that had for awhile already put numbers fucked up |
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| 10:47.27 | kingTD1 | and im back from blue screen |
| 10:56.16 | Zolden | kingTD http://i.snag.gy/abAJ4.jpg |
| 10:57.02 | kingTD | cool |
| 10:57.15 | kingTD | mb some smoke particles would be not bad too |
| 10:57.34 | JademusSreg | Maybe some scorch splats for bonus points. |
| 10:58.03 | Zolden | yea, both |
| 10:58.30 | JademusSreg | Also make a damn wireframe. |
| 10:58.55 | JademusSreg | Because it does not look like a battlecruiser in the least (you damn duplicator). |
| 10:59.45 | Zolden | duplicating saves time, there's nothing to be damned for, it's like inheriting properties |
| 11:00.11 | Kueken | whos duplicating shit anyway? I'll just modify the default BC |
| 11:00.22 | Zolden | :) |
| 11:00.42 | JademusSreg | There's plenty to be damned for using it, but so long as it's working, I'll only lightly mock. |
| 11:00.45 | DeadZergling | all Z's models have the default tooltips and unit icons |
| 11:00.47 | Kueken | also the weapon of Raynor's BC has a striking resemblance to that dragon's fire |
| 11:00.51 | DeadZergling | it is quite bad looking |
| 11:01.17 | Kueken | likes the bunny icon |
| 11:02.14 | Zolden | bunny is responsible for showing scary creeps tooltip |
| 11:03.10 | Zolden | DeadZergling one day i'll turn myself into the hell of routine and create wireframes for all creeps |
| 11:04.03 | DeadZergling | yes, bunny is so nice |
| 11:04.26 | DeadZergling | why know what is coming next just by glancing when you can waste 10 seconds moving your cursor over a damn bunny instead |
| 11:06.15 | Zolden | some ppl have lots of piercing on their cursor, and have to spend even more seconds to move it |
| 11:07.43 | JademusSreg | And then it often clicks in two different directions. |
| 11:13.59 | kingTD | Zolden mb u need textures for Shield Wareframes since now all units uses zealot shields texture :/ |
| 11:14.24 | kingTD | so making one that would fit all the units |
| 11:16.51 | JademusSreg | Here's a question worth investigating; how do extension mods interact with banks? |
| 11:16.52 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 11:22.26 | G0A | kingTD I already said that to him |
| 11:22.53 | kingTD | good guy G0A111 |
| 11:24.46 | kingTD | http://snag.gy/3DBdy.jpg |
| 11:27.01 | Zolden | kingTD yea, i'll make a circle looking frame for all |
| 11:28.06 | Zolden | Kueken could you remind me, how to make a splat that created at effect scope and attached to target point, don't move with the unit, just lay on the ground? |
| 11:28.36 | Kueken | SOpTargetPoint? |
| 11:28.43 | Zolden | yea |
| 11:29.19 | Kueken | that was supposed to be the answer :p |
| 11:30.42 | Zolden | http://pastebin.com/zp7sDFUv |
| 11:30.51 | Zolden | and it wollows |
| 11:30.56 | Zolden | follows |
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| 11:31.45 | Kueken | Host Subject empty? |
| 11:32.40 | Zolden | emptied it, didn't help |
| 11:33.44 | Kueken | reset the entire host+ field |
| 11:34.01 | Kueken | with SOPTargetPoint the host scope shouldn't be required anyway |
| 11:34.23 | G0A | Zolden http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-05/bitcoin-tumbles-after-china-central-bank-bans-financial-companies-using-digital-curr |
| 11:35.41 | Zolden | Kueken reseted, still following |
| 11:35.54 | Kueken | cool |
| 11:37.05 | Zolden | G0A poor thing, hope it will revive |
| 11:37.11 | Zolden | and it for sure will |
| 11:37.39 | Zolden | Kueken i remember there was something, and there's even a chance you helped me to find that something in the past |
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| 11:39.05 | Kueken | maybe |
| 11:39.11 | Kueken | I don't remember |
| 11:40.29 | Kueken | maybe I advised to use a model actor instead? |
| 11:40.36 | Zolden | maybe |
| 11:40.46 | Zolden | how does siege tank do it? |
| 11:41.03 | Zolden | his hit splat doesn't wollow |
| 11:41.08 | Zolden | but ican't find its actor |
| 11:41.31 | JademusSreg | I'd suggest looking at the Yagdra flame attack model assets. =D |
| 11:43.08 | Zolden | oh, remembered! |
| 11:43.11 | JademusSreg | The fire breath, plus smoke, scorch splat, -and- heat distortion, you'll have the best fire breath evar. |
| 11:43.20 | Zolden | it's SOpTargetPointStationary! |
| 11:45.07 | Kueken | and it needs force effects and fire death animations |
| 11:45.09 | Zolden | JademusSreg all these points will be checked, but mine will be better, because force is used, and next attack will scatter the smoke left from the prefious attack |
| 11:45.41 | JademusSreg | Oh, and for mega bonus points, molten material partiocles dripped from the dragon's mouth. |
| 11:47.56 | JademusSreg | And since splats support diffuse, specular, emissive, normal, and height, the scorch marks will be as beautiful as you dare make them. |
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| 11:52.20 | JademusSreg | bbl |
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| 12:14.02 | DeadZergling | well good night fellow modders, going to bed |
| 12:14.28 | DeadZergling | at this point my updates would just result in more work for me later fixing my sleepy stupid code, lol |
| 12:17.38 | G0A | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEdRLlqdgA4 |
| 12:26.51 | Zolden | badass |
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| 12:50.06 | JademusSreg | wonders how the client determines feature restriction. |
| 12:52.42 | JademusSreg | I can think of 4 possible approaches; determine from the local machine, determine from information received from a remote source, determine by comparing to a local precompiled list, or determine from a flag compiled into the public release of the client. |
| 12:53.34 | A1win | how does Void Fighter Arena sound? |
| 12:54.37 | JademusSreg | Remove arena, since you don't need so many words for a non-acronymic title. |
| 12:54.39 | G0A | as map name? |
| 12:54.44 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 12:54.51 | G0A | terrible... |
| 12:54.52 | A1win | mm |
| 12:54.55 | A1win | hehe |
| 12:55.05 | G0A | yes Void Fighter is better |
| 12:55.15 | G0A | but then why not Star Figther:D |
| 12:56.26 | A1win | there are several games called Starfighter |
| 12:56.46 | JademusSreg | (Bet there aren't any named Starfister.) |
| 12:56.46 | G0A | then Galaxy Fighter |
| 12:57.26 | A1win | fighter.galaxy |
| 12:58.13 | A1win | JademusSreg, I forgot to ask, if not Elo rating system, are there any better alternatives? |
| 12:58.34 | A1win | or was your preference between using it and not using a rating system at all |
| 12:58.50 | JademusSreg | (Void Umbra: Lethal Violent Assault) |
| 12:58.59 | JademusSreg | (I prefer TrueSkill.) |
| 12:59.08 | JademusSreg | (I'll spam some links when I return.) |
| 12:59.36 | nooblark | bye buddy |
| 13:00.31 | A1win | TrueSkill is patented, and the name is trademarked, so therefore it is limited to Microsoft projects and commercial projects that obtain a license to use the algorithm. |
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| 13:18.35 | A1win | so it's based on Glicko rating system... |
| 13:18.45 | JademusSreg | Ah, I should rephrase. I prefer bayesian inference for producing qualified estimations of player skill from their performance. |
| 13:20.35 | A1win | yeah starting to realize the flaws of Elo, hadn't even heard about it until yesterday ;p |
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| 13:21.31 | A1win | now I just need to figure out how to implement something like that for this |
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| 13:25.30 | JademusSreg | Oh, or call it "Bayesian-Inference-Generated Performance Representation Iteratively Calculated" for short. |
| 13:27.27 | JademusSreg | That way, if patent litigation goes to court, it will be hilarious when covered in the press, probably generating no small amount of bad PR for going after modders over something so silly. |
| 13:27.49 | A1win | ;> |
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| 13:53.55 | A1win | I guess I'll just remove rating system for now and implement one later when I'm done with more important features <.< |
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| 14:00.59 | JademusSreg | People enjoy epeenments, er, achievements more anyway. |
| 14:05.44 | JademusSreg | I must admit, my old Tiberium data was fucking bad. 3-year-old still working data, but just hideous. |
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| 14:16.14 | G0A | A1win whats the problem with elo? |
| 14:16.31 | G0A | you can try to do what I did in my Entropy TD map |
| 14:17.08 | A1win | well, still the inflation ;p |
| 14:17.15 | G0A | ehh |
| 14:17.15 | Dustin|Work | Morning |
| 14:17.23 | G0A | my map has only inflation:) |
| 14:17.46 | G0A | problem is that you can delete bank and replace it with the old one if you loose elo... |
| 14:18.29 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 14:30.48 | Fate_ | anyone knows what makes a phoenix trun to its weapon target, while shoting and moving? |
| 14:35.17 | Zolden | maybe he's attached to turret Z? |
| 14:37.25 | Bommes | the Phoenix model has a turret z and uses a turret, yes |
| 14:37.49 | Fate_ | hm okey |
| 14:51.23 | Ownage | is there a flag or setting so that abilities which makes other units, the subunit can inherit behaviors of the parent or must I do it with triggers |
| 14:51.29 | Ownage | for example interceptors |
| 14:54.10 | Fate_ | Zolden, Bommes thanks that helped me |
| 14:54.46 | Fate_ | Ownage i dont understand ur question |
| 14:57.48 | Ownage | if you give a carrier a behavior that has +5000 damage |
| 14:58.05 | Ownage | his damage display effect (his "weapon") shows the damage |
| 14:58.21 | Ownage | but if you click an interceptor after allowing selection, you see in fact the damage is the same |
| 14:58.28 | Ownage | because they are not the same unit as the carrier |
| 14:58.48 | Ownage | I'm asking if there's a quick data way to make the interceptors inherit their parents' behaviors |
| 14:59.50 | Fate_ | you mean like buffs and dots? |
| 15:00.31 | Fate_ | behaviors can be added via effekts |
| 15:01.00 | Ownage | I mean like some kind of hangar setting or something |
| 15:01.39 | Fate_ | so when the interceptor starts i can have different behaviors? |
| 15:02.17 | Ownage | I guess I'll have to trigger it |
| 15:02.48 | Ownage | just seems like there would be some setting somewhere where the parent unit's behavior would be applied to its children |
| 15:03.27 | Fate_ | well u could give the carrier a aura that gives the inteceptors your beh |
| 15:13.40 | Ownage | hmm is there a way to get the interceptors of a carrier? |
| 15:13.44 | JademusSreg | Kazoop. |
| 15:14.08 | JademusSreg | Also, hallo Dustin. |
| 15:14.09 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 15:14.32 | Dustin|Work | Hello :D |
| 15:15.19 | JademusSreg | Decided I'd port my 3-year-old Tiberium demo to an extension mod. |
| 15:16.29 | Ownage | I guess I have to store them in unit groups as they're being made |
| 15:17.23 | JademusSreg | Iterate Magazine effect. |
| 15:17.25 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 15:18.32 | Zolden | yea, possible solution is: magazine effect can have "apply behavior a to the spawn" with validator "main unit has behavior a" |
| 15:19.10 | Zolden | but probably it would be easier to do with triggers |
| 15:19.47 | JademusSreg | Oh, sorry. |
| 15:19.53 | JademusSreg | There's a more efficient solution. |
| 15:20.18 | JademusSreg | See Carrier - Hangar : Effects : Create |
| 15:20.21 | JademusSreg | brb++ |
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| 15:28.20 | JademusSreg | Anyway, depending on the design, either one would work. |
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| 15:36.59 | Serashin | sup folks |
| 15:37.07 | turtles1 | hey |
| 15:37.12 | Dustin|Work | hi |
| 15:38.39 | JademusSreg | is enthused about extension mods. |
| 15:39.19 | Dustin|Work | Arnet they what we wanted mods to be in the first place? |
| 15:39.26 | Dustin|Work | Pick a mod, pick a map, profit? |
| 15:40.06 | JademusSreg | It's what most people expect of mods. =D |
| 15:40.20 | Dustin|Work | Good :D |
| 15:41.18 | turtles1 | while we are on that topic something I was wondering |
| 15:41.43 | JademusSreg | Another step toward the maturation of the galaxy platform. |
| 15:42.00 | turtles1 | The mod I'm working on needs to know each of the available starting locations which are stored on each map as points |
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| 15:42.15 | JademusSreg | Easy. |
| 15:42.27 | turtles1 | I have always linked up the points on the map with the variables in the code |
| 15:42.48 | Dustin|Work | Extension mod allows triggers right? |
| 15:42.52 | Dustin|Work | Or is it just data |
| 15:42.57 | turtles1 | but that would not be possible to do if someone just uses the mod on a map |
| 15:43.10 | JademusSreg | Yep, I've been informed it does allow triggers. |
| 15:43.19 | Dustin|Work | Well there ya go turtles |
| 15:43.23 | Dustin|Work | Problem solved |
| 15:43.30 | JademusSreg | Turt, iterate the location index. |
| 15:43.32 | JademusSreg | Easy. |
| 15:43.40 | turtles1 | So how do I write a trigger that knows where a starting point is? |
| 15:44.06 | turtles1 | say I just want my code to print out the first starting position coordinates |
| 15:44.35 | turtles1 | How can I do that? |
| 15:44.51 | turtles1 | manually without having to enter the coordinates myself |
| 15:44.58 | turtles1 | automatically* |
| 15:46.36 | Ownage | maybe I'm not understanding the problem |
| 15:46.42 | Ownage | but that sounds trivial as hell |
| 15:46.49 | turtles1 | hypothetical situation |
| 15:46.50 | JademusSreg | playergroup players = PlayerGroupActive(); int count = PlayerGroupCount(players); for ( ; count>0 ; count-=1 ) { DoSomething(); } |
| 15:47.14 | Ownage | what are you trying to do exactly, preplace a bunch of points and then reach them in triggers without assigning to variables? |
| 15:47.26 | turtles1 | I want to write the lamest mod ever. All it does is print out all the available starting locations |
| 15:47.40 | turtles1 | how can I access those? |
| 15:47.52 | JademusSreg | HAha, secretive. |
| 15:47.57 | turtles1 | If I do it by trying to look at each players starting location that wont work |
| 15:47.59 | Ownage | I've never used starting locations before, are they just points? |
| 15:48.16 | turtles1 | not secretive, just severely dumbed down example |
| 15:48.20 | JademusSreg | native point PlayerStartLocation (int inPlayer); |
| 15:48.22 | turtles1 | they are points yes |
| 15:48.23 | JademusSreg | Tada |
| 15:48.30 | turtles1 | wont work |
| 15:48.43 | turtles1 | what if there are 4 starting points and only two players? |
| 15:48.47 | Ownage | then pretty sure you can just name them |
| 15:48.58 | Ownage | then just use point from name |
| 15:49.01 | JademusSreg | So using the for loop above, PlayerStartLocation(PlayerGroupPlayer(players,count)) |
| 15:49.33 | Dustin|Work | ^ |
| 15:49.45 | turtles1 | yes, I can name them. That's what I've been doing for each individual map. I'm wondering how I could get it to work as a mod with the new patch changes |
| 15:49.56 | turtles1 | point from name? |
| 15:50.04 | Ownage | I don't know what the new changes are |
| 15:50.18 | turtles1 | as in the function "point from name"? |
| 15:50.19 | Ownage | but I know if you want to reach points or regions without variables you can just use a proper naming scheme |
| 15:50.31 | Ownage | for example spawn1 spawn2 |
| 15:50.34 | JademusSreg | Dustin, I think I'm a ghost. I'm Patrick Swayze, which makes you Whoopie Goldberg. |
| 15:50.48 | Ownage | do something to center of region from name -> spawn + team of player, for example |
| 15:50.51 | turtles1 | Blizzard uses the same naming scheme but not all map makers do |
| 15:50.53 | JademusSreg | It's the only explanation. |
| 15:51.10 | Dustin|Work | I could totally pull off Whoopie |
| 15:51.13 | Ownage | to be fair I also don't know what the hell you're saying |
| 15:51.29 | turtles1 | Ownage: "I don't know what the new changes are" |
| 15:51.30 | Ownage | you tend to explain things like you're telling yourself, who already knows what you're talking about |
| 15:51.36 | turtles1 | This might be source of confussion |
| 15:51.43 | Ownage | @ JademusSreg |
| 15:51.58 | turtles1 | there are new mod abilities that Blizzard has just recently introduced (last few days?) |
| 15:52.23 | Ownage | I'm out of the loop |
| 15:52.40 | turtles1 | Say I think marines are too powerful |
| 15:52.49 | Ownage | I think marines are too powerful |
| 15:52.55 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 15:52.59 | Ownage | do I have to say it three times or something |
| 15:53.04 | JademusSreg | If something isn't understood, would be useful to ask for explanations of stuff. |
| 15:53.04 | Ownage | nothing happened |
| 15:53.05 | turtles1 | I can create a mod which gives marines 80% of their normal firepower |
| 15:53.28 | Ownage | is this some kind of melee map thing? |
| 15:53.33 | Dustin|Work | no |
| 15:53.35 | Dustin|Work | It's for everything |
| 15:53.37 | Ownage | because that sounds easy as hell to do already |
| 15:53.49 | Dustin|Work | Say you have a Mod that adds an extra race |
| 15:53.50 | turtles1 | brb |
| 15:54.00 | Dustin|Work | Pick the mod, pick a terrain map, done |
| 15:54.01 | Ownage | you have a Mod that adds an extra race |
| 15:54.15 | Dustin|Work | You dont have to have a map uploaded with the mod for each map |
| 15:54.22 | Dustin|Work | 1 mod, 5 terrain maps, etc |
| 15:54.31 | Ownage | I guess I don't know what the hell you are talking about at all |
| 15:54.39 | Ownage | maybe I don't know what a mod is I guess |
| 15:54.41 | Dustin|Work | I just explained it :P |
| 15:54.47 | JademusSreg | Iterate playergroup, get start point for playergroup player, simple. |
| 15:55.00 | Dustin|Work | Ok Ownage, do you know what a mod is? |
| 15:55.09 | Ownage | I don't think so |
| 15:55.18 | Ownage | I thought it was to change the game so you could replace it's UI and crap |
| 15:55.28 | Ownage | people used to make mods for sc1 but I never liked those |
| 15:55.43 | Ownage | so I just avoid the subject since it's boring to me, but sounds like you're talking about something else |
| 15:55.46 | Dustin|Work | Ok so SC2 editing is split up, with MAP and MOD, a MOD contains things like DATA and Triggers, where a MAP contains terrain. |
| 15:55.49 | turtles1 | Ownage: back, ok previously I create my mod with weaker marines. THEN I use a map and import the mod and then publish the mod and others can play it. |
| 15:55.51 | turtles1 | with me? |
| 15:55.59 | Dustin|Work | A Map can contain data and triggers and terrain |
| 15:56.09 | Dustin|Work | But a mod can only contain Triggers and Data |
| 15:56.25 | turtles1 | ok, what's changed is that I no longer have to import the mod and publish for every map I want to try and play the mod on |
| 15:56.38 | Ownage | ok let's take it to a world I can understand because changing a marine doesn't impreess me much |
| 15:56.39 | Dustin|Work | So you can make a mod that has it's own units and triggers. Then people can make their own terrain and pick your mod from b.net and play it on their MAP terrain |
| 15:56.50 | turtles1 | I created the mod and told you about it. |
| 15:56.53 | Ownage | I have a td map. it has terrain triggers and data and everything works |
| 15:57.05 | turtles1 | NOW you can play any single map you want with that mod on it |
| 15:57.06 | Ownage | what would an example mod be and what is the point of it |
| 15:57.18 | Dustin|Work | Say you wanted a new terrain for your TD map, a new defense arena maze or whatever |
| 15:57.33 | Dustin|Work | Eazy, save your triggers and data in a mod. upload it to b.net |
| 15:57.35 | turtles1 | by going through "custom games" selecting whatever map file you want and then selecting whatever mod file you want to add to it |
| 15:57.39 | Ownage | ok.. so the scenario is I want the same 'map' but maybe a different map layout |
| 15:57.49 | Dustin|Work | Then make as many arenas as you want and upload them and not have to worry about importing your mod to the map |
| 15:57.53 | Ahli | separates stuff from the map file => easier to make multiple maps using the same stuff like TD or a new RTS, etc... |
| 15:57.56 | Ownage | I see... |
| 15:58.01 | Ownage | is this mandatory or option? |
| 15:58.04 | Dustin|Work | Optional |
| 15:58.10 | Ownage | this is just a gimick basically |
| 15:58.14 | Dustin|Work | No it's awesome |
| 15:58.15 | turtles1 | so if you want to test my mod on your map you can do it |
| 15:58.19 | Ownage | although somewhat useful I guess |
| 15:58.20 | Dustin|Work | Will save hella time |
| 15:58.26 | turtles1 | without ME adding it for you |
| 15:58.37 | Dustin|Work | If your project requires multiple terrains with one mod base |
| 15:58.39 | Ownage | it takes like 5 minutes to change a map's terrain |
| 15:58.53 | Dustin|Work | Then you have another map |
| 15:58.56 | Dustin|Work | With 2x the triggers/data |
| 15:59.03 | Ownage | no, I mean |
| 15:59.03 | Dustin|Work | So you're wasting space and time |
| 15:59.13 | Ownage | oh I see what you're driving at |
| 15:59.21 | Ownage | I think it's all coming together in the ol' noodle |
| 15:59.38 | Ownage | you have two regions, points, pathing, terrain, etc "maps" |
| 15:59.47 | Ownage | and one triggers/data etc "mod" |
| 15:59.56 | Ownage | and you can publish two "maps" |
| 16:00.00 | turtles1 | look at it this way I have a training mod which helps people train. Previously I was restricted to only 15 maps I could use and would constantly have to rotate the map pool to reflect ladder map pool changes |
| 16:00.05 | turtles1 | now I don't have to |
| 16:00.20 | Ownage | but if let's say you decide later to fix a bug, now you can fix it in one place and it will be fixed in both maps(?) |
| 16:00.20 | turtles1 | I just publish the mod and people can play it on whatever map they feel like |
| 16:00.27 | Dustin|Work | Correct Ownage |
| 16:00.35 | Dustin|Work | The mod is the only thing you need to fix for bugs |
| 16:00.36 | Zolden | what dragon names do you guys know in wow? |
| 16:00.39 | Ownage | I get that.. sounds neat |
| 16:00.45 | Zolden | I wnat to find a sound for dragon fire attack |
| 16:00.48 | Ownage | I don't really get what the turtle is saying though |
| 16:00.48 | Dustin|Work | And anytime someone uses it on whatever map they want, your latest changes are there |
| 16:01.03 | Dustin|Work | Zolden, Deathwing |
| 16:01.03 | Ownage | how could you use my triggers and data on some random map you had |
| 16:01.09 | Dustin|Work | Easy |
| 16:01.11 | Ownage | you wouldn't have the right regions, right layout etc |
| 16:01.12 | Dustin|Work | When you publish the mod |
| 16:01.19 | Dustin|Work | I can play it on whatever map I want |
| 16:01.27 | Dustin|Work | That's what triggers are for |
| 16:01.30 | Ownage | can you disable that? |
| 16:01.31 | Dustin|Work | Make them dynamically |
| 16:01.34 | Dustin|Work | Not sure |
| 16:01.37 | Dustin|Work | I would assume so |
| 16:01.47 | Ownage | I guess I don't understand why that would be good |
| 16:01.50 | Ownage | sounds like utter chaos |
| 16:01.50 | JademusSreg | looks forward to playing "Left 2 Storm Night of the Imperial Mafia Warship Universe: The Chef Thing Monobattles of Fate". |
| 16:02.03 | Dustin|Work | So ya you're going to have to restructure your project to work with the idea |
| 16:02.20 | Ahli | if you don't require to move data + triggers into a mod to save work, just don't do it |
| 16:02.21 | Dustin|Work | But if you have a big project that needs that support, it'll be easy to do now and not impoissible |
| 16:02.21 | turtles1 | ok, someone created a "weaker marines mod" and another person created a "stronger zealots mod" |
| 16:02.35 | Dustin|Work | Also with Server Side Banks coming, that just adds to the awesomeness of it |
| 16:02.43 | turtles1 | Me as a player who has never touched the editor before can simply add both mods to a ladder map |
| 16:03.01 | turtles1 | even though no one has created a map where both these changes are in effect |
| 16:03.12 | Dustin|Work | Where did you see you can load multiple mods into a map turtles? |
| 16:03.20 | Dustin|Work | That sounds like it could get very sticky |
| 16:03.31 | turtles1 | errr, actually I think I assumed that |
| 16:03.51 | Dustin|Work | I could see that being a bad day with mod overwrite conflicts |
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| 16:04.05 | Dustin|Work | Cause what if the Zealot Mod also modified the marines attack |
| 16:04.11 | turtles1 | sry, but still. If I want to play the "weak marines" mod on the map metalopolis |
| 16:04.14 | turtles1 | I can do that |
| 16:04.24 | Dustin|Work | ya |
| 16:04.26 | turtles1 | without anyone having to create that game |
| 16:04.38 | turtles1 | without even opening the map editor |
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| 16:05.13 | JademusSreg | It will increase content generation by reducing the burden of a complete design. Instead of making an entire game, new users can make more modular content, which players can then pick and mix as they like. |
| 16:05.31 | turtles1 | yes |
| 16:06.25 | turtles1 | So my initial question was "I'm not sure how to modularize my triggers mod which uses player starting locations. Anyone have ideas?" |
| 16:07.04 | turtles1 | because I would previously do it manually for every map. But that doesn't take into benifit the new changes available |
| 16:07.10 | JademusSreg | Iterate active playergroup, get start point for playergroup player, simple. |
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| 16:07.34 | turtles1 | what if there are more starting positions than players? |
| 16:07.50 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 16:07.56 | turtles1 | exactly |
| 16:08.17 | JademusSreg | No, that's my face response to you not understanding what I said. |
| 16:08.32 | turtles1 | There are a lot of 3 and 4 starting location maps designed for 1v1 |
| 16:08.53 | turtles1 | I don't want to know where each player starts |
| 16:09.07 | turtles1 | You seem to think that is what I'm after |
| 16:09.17 | turtles1 | I'm after ALL the available starting locations |
| 16:09.22 | turtles1 | all the possible ones |
| 16:09.26 | JademusSreg | In galaxy script: playergroup players = PlayerGroupActive(); int count = PlayerGroupCount(players); for ( ; count>0 ; count-=1 ) { PlayerStartLocation(PlayerGroupPlayer(players,count)); } |
| 16:09.37 | turtles1 | if it is a 4 spawn map there will be 4 starting positions |
| 16:09.44 | JademusSreg | Obviously you'd want to do something with the value returned from that function. |
| 16:10.46 | turtles1 | again, if there are 2 players then how many results will that give me? |
| 16:11.09 | turtles1 | there are 2 players in the group "active players" that code will give me their starting positions |
| 16:11.17 | turtles1 | so it will give me two results |
| 16:11.24 | turtles1 | that is NOT what I am looking for |
| 16:11.49 | turtles1 | I am after all of the possible starting locations |
| 16:12.13 | turtles1 | which are defined as points inside each individual map |
| 16:13.46 | Zolden | does anyone have a successfule experience of using fade in/fade out parameters of a sound data entry? |
| 16:17.01 | Zolden | or is there a way to imitate fading out with actor messages? |
| 16:18.05 | JademusSreg | digs into a map. |
| 16:19.44 | JademusSreg | Ah, got the solution turt. |
| 16:20.12 | turtles1 | *raises eyebrow* |
| 16:20.22 | Zolden | turt sounds a bit like turd |
| 16:20.29 | Zolden | ninja turd |
| 16:21.19 | turtles1 | watch, out Zolden. I have a black belt in ninSHITsu. |
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| 16:21.24 | turtles1 | don't make me use it man. |
| 16:21.30 | JademusSreg | There are a few approaches, so it'll take a moment to code the example. |
| 16:21.40 | Zolden | makes you use it on duckies |
| 16:21.47 | turtles1 | HIYA! |
| 16:22.16 | duckies | uses sonic quack to quicly escape whatever's coming at him |
| 16:23.01 | turtles1 | JademusSreg: thanks! |
| 16:50.25 | JademusSreg | I've got an O(n) solution designed, but need to prepare some food. Back in a bit. |
| 16:53.18 | turtles1 | ok. thanks but I gtg |
| 16:53.36 | turtles1 | I'll leave the computer on with this window open so I can come back to it later |
| 16:55.25 | turtles1 | I'll read it if you reply. Just appolagizing in advance if I'm not there to say thanks if you post an answer |
| 17:01.45 | Ahli | http://snag.gy/ammu5.jpg uhm.... I assume the problem are spaces in the name, right? |
| 17:04.04 | Dustin|Work | ya |
| 17:04.09 | Dustin|Work | get rid of them spaces |
| 17:05.14 | duckies | cool map file name ahli |
| 17:05.39 | duckies | a1win could learn a thing or two from you :D |
| 17:06.30 | Ahli | :D |
| 17:11.57 | Ahli | duckies: how does he name his files? |
| 17:13.45 | duckies | with the indecision and all the troubles of naming a map I'm afraid to imagine the effort that goes in naming other things |
| 17:14.03 | duckies | imagine what'll happen when he has a child ._, |
| 17:14.55 | Ahli | ok, time to test my map on the PTR |
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| 17:20.01 | Ahli | uhm... argh :D |
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| 17:21.50 | Ahli | I broke the new hero creation function :D |
| 17:25.20 | duckies | that'll teach you making new things! |
| 17:26.26 | Ahli | no, I only took out bounty's phenomena with the preplaced units and input lag |
| 17:26.52 | Ahli | but I shall test it once before publishing ;D |
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| 17:31.24 | Ahli | ok, now I loaded a char twice out of testing habit |
| 17:31.32 | Ahli | instead of doing what I wanted |
| 17:33.47 | Ahli | again >_< |
| 17:33.50 | A1win | damn, I was just going to suggest diab asdasd14 aaa1 as my map name |
| 17:34.00 | A1win | now that's taken too |
| 17:34.01 | A1win | :( |
| 17:34.22 | Ahli | *file name |
| 18:03.34 | G0A | kingTD wake up! |
| 18:03.36 | kingTD | sup |
| 18:04.12 | kingTD | was a bit distracted with modelling for 8 hours |
| 18:04.22 | G0A | ehh |
| 18:04.27 | G0A | what are you modeling? |
| 18:05.42 | kingTD | old models tried to improve. Catapult, created from it Bombard cannon, Optimized Trebuchet model |
| 18:07.32 | kingTD | uploading AoK and will go for MM |
| 18:12.28 | turtles1 | Back earlier than expected. |
| 18:12.48 | kingTD | to do what?> |
| 18:13.48 | turtles1 | JademusSreg: I don't mind if you haven't coded an example for me if you say what method you are using to grab the points |
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| 18:18.46 | kingTD | G0A ? |
| 18:19.57 | G0A | invite |
| 18:24.43 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 18:30.51 | JademusSreg | turt, nearly done with the code. |
| 18:35.31 | Bommes | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/59942-anaglyph-in-creep-texture/#p4 what is he going to do a tutorial about? |
| 18:35.38 | Bommes | I don't really understand. |
| 18:35.56 | JademusSreg | Haha, |
| 19:04.50 | Ahli | >_> I'm experiencing a problem on battle.net... something doesn't work there which works offline |
| 19:05.08 | Ahli | with actors |
| 19:13.15 | turtles1 | have to go again. will leave chat open |
| 19:18.08 | JademusSreg | Orly? |
| 19:18.28 | JademusSreg | Ahli, care to elaborate and provide pastes? |
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| 19:19.03 | Ahli | I'm working on a picture with full documentation :S |
| 19:19.25 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
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| 19:33.27 | turtles1 | jkn |
| 19:35.29 | JademusSreg | turt, I expect this will be used on maps without an unreasonable number of start locations? |
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| 19:54.33 | Ahli | JademusSreg: http://i.snag.gy/fdSww.jpg this should explain the situation and what I'm doing/using |
| 19:54.42 | Ahli | if something is missing, tell me |
| 19:55.15 | JademusSreg | examines. |
| 20:01.36 | DeadZergling | obviously a cat died in that wall |
| 20:02.06 | JademusSreg | A few thoughts (no obvious issue): Does the game region definitely exist? Is the status value definitely 13? |
| 20:02.48 | Ahli | it works offline, it doesn't work offline |
| 20:03.17 | Ahli | the region is defined by translating areaID into a region created by 4 hardcoded points |
| 20:03.22 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 20:03.50 | Ahli | *it works offline, it doesn't work online |
| 20:04.22 | kingTD | Zolden wave 9 reapers op |
| 20:04.24 | kingTD | won again |
| 20:04.26 | Zolden | lol |
| 20:04.32 | Zolden | and hmm |
| 20:05.01 | JademusSreg | Ahli, might sound silly, but what are its dependencies? |
| 20:07.40 | JademusSreg | I assume Core, at least. Need to know what else, if any. |
| 20:08.01 | Bommes | to be fair though, that blood looks really cool |
| 20:08.03 | Ahli | Swarm (Campaign) |
| 20:08.05 | Bommes | it's a feature, not a bug! |
| 20:08.18 | Ahli | the blood belongs to my first hell dungeon level |
| 20:08.26 | Ahli | not the first cathedral level |
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| 20:09.05 | Ahli | which both use the same area on the map. Hell levels will replace cathedral levels once the portal to hell is opened |
| 20:09.11 | Bommes | I played some Reaper of Souls the other day btw, I like what they are doing with it and it's definitely more fun than vanilla d3 |
| 20:09.13 | JademusSreg | What does the actor dump live output? |
| 20:09.18 | Bommes | the separation of story and adventure mode makes a lot of sense imo |
| 20:09.46 | Ahli | which command? |
| 20:10.42 | Ahli | actordumplive obviouly ^^ |
| 20:12.34 | Ahli | is that put into a file? atm it kills my debugger |
| 20:13.16 | kingTD | Zolden ffs make Center building have hp scaled the number of players playing it will already will fix these leaks problems |
| 20:13.44 | Zolden | kingTD ok, i'l do something a bit more elegant than this (or this) |
| 20:14.54 | kingTD | it even have to have of dmg increase |
| 20:14.59 | kingTD | of main building |
| 20:15.03 | kingTD | or remove it from it |
| 20:15.07 | kingTD | and leave just of cannnosn |
| 20:18.05 | Ahli | JademusSreg: this will take a while :D |
| 20:18.08 | JademusSreg | Ahli, quick question. |
| 20:18.49 | JademusSreg | Do you call any of these functions: native bool GameIsTestMap (bool inAuto); native bool GameIsExaminable (); native bool GameIsOnline (); |
| 20:19.17 | Ahli | not that I would be aware of |
| 20:19.33 | Ahli | my method for debug stuff is checking for an empty player handle |
| 20:19.43 | DeadZergling | told him to do that like 2 weeks ago or so |
| 20:20.01 | DeadZergling | bad Zolden ! |
| 20:20.27 | JademusSreg | Yes, that's also another possible divergence. |
| 20:21.59 | kingTD | Zolden mb even remake the Center fucker hp to increase with each wave.. that there would be more chances to lose in first wves |
| 20:22.35 | JademusSreg | I looked at the Actor and Model data (compared base data to patch), didn't see any indication they alone were causing a divergence. |
| 20:23.16 | kingTD | DeadZ i told him same but well u have to repeat everything for him 20 times for him to see those problems |
| 20:24.32 | JademusSreg | Which suggests the divergence is likely in the code (or data from the project not made available, hah), and the functions mentioned above are most likely to be forgotten about and cause divergences between online/offline experience. |
| 20:27.14 | Ahli | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4479839/sc2%20bugs/ptr%20bnet%20editor%20test%20actor%20visibility%20problem/2013-12-05%2019.54.16%20Alerts.txt.zip JademusSreg, this is the log file |
| 20:27.59 | JademusSreg | For example, imagine a divergence that has one of the code's many procedures running out of proper order, and the actor isn't created before the message is sent. (I doubt you'd make this mistake, but it is possible, so merits consideration). |
| 20:29.23 | JademusSreg | Hm. Very much wish one could get an actor dump from an online game. |
| 20:30.46 | Ahli | the actor is created before dungeons are loaded (which executes the actor showing + hiding in that area) |
| 20:31.29 | JademusSreg | Also, does this occur with any other models? |
| 20:32.23 | Bommes | Ehm, all Bank files are saved directly in the ".../Documents/Starcraft 2/Banks" folder, right? And banks for specific accounts are saved as AccountID.SC2Bank? |
| 20:32.24 | JademusSreg | Also, why is the visual radius so low, and contact radius higher? |
| 20:32.48 | Bommes | and these banks include banks for all the custom maps you have played in one single file? |
| 20:33.21 | Ahli | that was my attempt to make them not appear on the screen through walls |
| 20:33.52 | Ahli | I had problems when I switched from units to actors |
| 20:36.15 | kingTD | pider man 2 trailer out |
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| 20:39.16 | JademusSreg | Not to say it's the cause, but there is this: Model dddBloodOnGround has a radius 0.500 larger than its loose model radius 0.010. This can resulte in inaccurate spatial queries. |
| 20:39.44 | Ahli | I'm aware of that. :) |
| 20:40.10 | kingTD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JhNaunITh4 |
| 20:41.19 | G0A | these dumb super hero movies |
| 20:41.47 | kingTD | pew pew pew |
| 20:42.33 | JademusSreg | I looked over every instance of that actor+model, and here are the only anomalies. https://pastee.org/ex4gq |
| 20:43.14 | JademusSreg | Or rather, this large chunk contains a few which deviate from the usual values. |
| 20:43.54 | JademusSreg | Line 33 has the most deviation, and there is only one instance of that configuration. |
| 20:45.09 | G0A | kingTD watched Fight Club 2 days ago again after 10 years, now all other movie just looks dumb |
| 20:45.38 | kingTD | never watched that one :/ |
| 20:45.39 | JademusSreg | The only thing it communicates, though, is that it has no FoW state, and is not hidden. |
| 20:45.48 | kingTD | like most of other great ones |
| 20:46.24 | Ahli | JademusSreg: I assume it's the one that is visible on my screen in my heroe's line of sight |
| 20:46.31 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 20:46.49 | G0A | kingTD Fight Club and Donnie Darko the 2 best movie of all time. |
| 20:46.50 | Ahli | it's in the north east from the hero |
| 20:47.05 | JademusSreg | Which is why I wish I could get an actor dump from bnet for comparison, ya see. =D |
| 20:47.18 | Ahli | ^^ |
| 20:47.29 | JademusSreg | Oh wait. |
| 20:47.31 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 20:47.57 | JademusSreg | There are dump messages. |
| 20:47.59 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:48.02 | JademusSreg | So that. |
| 20:48.04 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 20:49.29 | Dustin|Work | Great |
| 20:49.44 | Dustin|Work | So my Harddrive died or I've got some software corruption on my computer |
| 20:49.59 | Dustin|Work | Gonna be a fun evening =/ |
| 20:50.04 | DeadZergling | told you anime porn was risky Dustin, couldn't listen could you |
| 20:50.53 | Dustin|Work | Just love those tentacle monsters :( |
| 20:51.28 | kingTD | trloolololololololol |
| 21:13.20 | Dustin|Work | It got too quiet |
| 21:13.21 | Ahli | JademusSreg: Game - Run console command: "actordumplive" (Enable defaults, Enable macros) didn't create the actordumplive =/ |
| 21:14.02 | Dustin|Work | <G0A> kingTD Fight Club and Donnie Darko the 2 best movie of all time. <- Two of my fav movies |
| 21:14.28 | Zolden | what's donnie dako? |
| 21:15.30 | Dustin|Work | Awesome movie |
| 21:15.42 | Dustin|Work | It's weird and makes you think about timetravel |
| 21:15.46 | Dustin|Work | But not real time travel |
| 21:15.50 | Dustin|Work | You need to watch it |
| 21:16.15 | kingTD | or stop trolling! |
| 21:16.23 | Zolden | or troll stopping |
| 21:16.58 | Zolden | ok, i'll watch |
| 21:17.31 | Zolden | my "movies to watch" folder is growing faster then I watch its contents |
| 21:29.40 | kingTD | nannananan |
| 21:29.41 | kingTD | batman |
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| 21:43.57 | kingTD | batman |
| 21:44.02 | kingTD | man |
| 21:51.33 | JademusSreg | Console commands do fuck-all outside of local tests. What's the point, one might ask. Testing automation. Booo. |
| 22:03.56 | Ahli | :S |
| 22:04.43 | A1win | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW0nyqD0GAI |
| 22:04.50 | A1win | new secondary for firefly weapon |
| 22:05.03 | A1win | probably still need to tweak it |
| 22:11.10 | JademusSreg | Baddest of all asses. |
| 22:11.24 | Dustin|Work | Lol looks slick |
| 22:14.07 | DeadZergling | it looks nice, but it also looks highly impractical |
| 22:14.33 | A1win | impractical? |
| 22:15.34 | A1win | it's a big ball, hard to dodge |
| 22:16.04 | JademusSreg | Does it seek out targets? Scatteer? Or follow and deal a manner of DoT? |
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| 22:16.43 | A1win | they are all separate projectiles |
| 22:16.45 | DeadZergling | the ships lazily orbitting the planet didn't seem to mind it |
| 22:16.56 | DeadZergling | no casualties seen |
| 22:17.09 | A1win | that's because I wasn't doing anything while its cooldown was active |
| 22:17.19 | A1win | it's not supposed to oneshot ;p |
| 22:17.36 | DeadZergling | yes I understand that |
| 22:17.49 | Dustin|Work | I think that'll be better |
| 22:17.55 | DeadZergling | but it doesn't appear all that much harder to dodge than your blue orbs of death |
| 22:17.55 | A1win | still higher damage than what you could otherwise do with that amount of time it takes to launch it |
| 22:18.01 | DeadZergling | longer recast |
| 22:18.07 | DeadZergling | and hits for less when it does graze |
| 22:18.14 | Dustin|Work | It's like 10x the size of the aoe missle :P |
| 22:18.20 | A1win | < A1win> probably still need to tweak it |
| 22:19.09 | A1win | the swarm avoids hitting planets, so it'll be easier to hit stuff that is not on a planet |
| 22:19.30 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:19.34 | A1win | if it does too little damage, I'll increase its damage |
| 22:20.09 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 22:20.13 | A1win | or tweak it otherwise |
| 22:20.18 | A1win | to make it hit more often |
| 22:20.18 | ArcanePariah | As normal JademusSreg is smiling at everything |
| 22:20.26 | ArcanePariah | Need moar smilies |
| 22:20.45 | JademusSreg | Need moar smilies like we need moar similies. |
| 22:22.21 | ArcanePariah | I'm curious if Renee has finished compiling all the tooltip changes? |
| 22:22.42 | Torhal | So...who here wants to hear about UFO manufacturing plants or fluoride levels in drinking water? |
| 22:22.50 | ArcanePariah | As much as it is just tooltips, many of the new tooltips I saw in Actors were very detailed and made it very clear what a field did |
| 22:23.08 | JademusSreg | Wouldn't be at all difficult to do, but doesn't sound altogether very interesting. Well, maybe a bit. |
| 22:23.14 | Torhal | can un-ban Stewox if there's a demand for that sort of thing. |
| 22:23.17 | ArcanePariah | Torhal, no, please, just keep him out for a few more days |
| 22:23.30 | ArcanePariah | Let some sanity reign in here before turning it back into an asylum |
| 22:23.32 | Torhal | ArcanePariah: It's permanent this time. I told him as much. |
| 22:23.33 | JademusSreg | Torhal, please, always keep not doing that thing. |
| 22:24.07 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, thank fucking goodness. |
| 22:24.19 | Torhal | I just figured since there was actual conversation going on in here I'd stir the pot a bit :D |
| 22:24.54 | Dustin|Work | TORHAL You banned him? |
| 22:24.56 | Dustin|Work | I LOVE YOU |
| 22:25.17 | JademusSreg | Haha. Though no one on atm is susceptible to such stirring. =D |
| 22:25.25 | ArcanePariah | pictures Dustin getting drunk and partying |
| 22:25.37 | Torhal | Dustin|Work: Yah, couple of days ago. First time I told him it'd be a week and he didn't believe me. When he came back I said next time it's permanent. He was good for about a month or so. |
| 22:25.40 | Dustin|Work | If I wasnt at work I would take a shot of rum in celebration |
| 22:25.46 | Torhal | lol |
| 22:25.53 | ArcanePariah | XD |
| 22:26.19 | DeadZergling | guy sees conspiracy theories in everything, and takes actual map making advice like a burnt out 50 year old in college |
| 22:26.28 | DeadZergling | I have no desire for him to be unbanned |
| 22:26.38 | Torhal | Haha |
| 22:26.55 | JademusSreg | "Always keep not doing that thing." [unbanning] |
| 22:27.05 | Dustin|Work | Yeah I tried to explain how to do something like add all units to a unit group or something and he couldnt comprehend it |
| 22:27.10 | G0A | saved this nice quote from him before the ban "there is always more logic in conspiracy research than anything else, this is the first thing you need to know" |
| 22:27.17 | Torhal | Dustin|Work: He's too advanced for map logic. |
| 22:27.24 | ArcanePariah | Hehe, yeah, that was priceless G0A |
| 22:27.47 | JademusSreg | If he could understand it, it's almost certainly wrong. |
| 22:28.02 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 22:28.16 | ArcanePariah | I do predict a flood of newbies possibly, as people play around with extension mods |
| 22:28.27 | JademusSreg | Yesss. |
| 22:28.36 | ArcanePariah | Given that even a fool can make one |
| 22:29.13 | JademusSreg | considers finishing the node.js irc bot to automate assistance. |
| 22:29.26 | DeadZergling | everyone prepared to answer the question, how do I change a weapon's speed/damage ? |
| 22:29.52 | ArcanePariah | I'm mostly curious to see how various mods interact, as it often the mixture of unintended components that produce superior results |
| 22:30.03 | G0A | DeadZergling behaviors |
| 22:30.21 | DeadZergling | bah g0a |
| 22:30.24 | ArcanePariah | That for me is the real beauty, since extension mods are still just mods, one can easily combine/mix/match them |
| 22:30.29 | DeadZergling | you are officially banned from answering noob questions |
| 22:30.33 | DeadZergling | and so is Jade |
| 22:30.37 | G0A | :) |
| 22:30.47 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:30.52 | ArcanePariah | XD |
| 22:30.58 | ArcanePariah | MOAR SMILIES |
| 22:31.01 | G0A | I am officially banned for arguing with idiots |
| 22:31.19 | ArcanePariah | Wait, that's possible? Can I order that? |
| 22:31.54 | ArcanePariah | I'd pay good money to be banned from arguing with idoits |
| 22:31.56 | JademusSreg | I enjoy helping people with shit, provided they are motivated to apply themselves to understanding and implementing solutions. |
| 22:32.00 | DeadZergling | I know how hilarious it is for you to confuse people, but it'd be nice if we could get a bigger crowd for a change |
| 22:32.11 | DeadZergling | not all the noobs will remain idiots |
| 22:32.46 | G0A | resurrect mapping from the ashes |
| 22:32.54 | ArcanePariah | Well yes, idiots signifies lack of intelligence (capacity to learn) noobs just is lack of knowledge. Latter can be fixed, former... not so much. |
| 22:32.59 | Dustin|Work | I remember when we use to have 100+ users i nthe chat channel |
| 22:33.04 | JademusSreg | Naw, I've only alienated 4 people, tops, not counting Frostwind's numerous alts. |
| 22:33.24 | DeadZergling | *only*... lol |
| 22:33.33 | ArcanePariah | 0.o, and who would those 4 special pumpkins be? |
| 22:34.05 | DeadZergling | maybe I should consider throwing together a new texture select by ID tutorial |
| 22:34.12 | DeadZergling | considering the current one sucks |
| 22:34.47 | ArcanePariah | I wish Blizzard could make more tutorials, the current ones they have are pretty good, but narrow in scope |
| 22:34.54 | G0A | DeadZergling use gifs when you make tutorial because they are awesome for tutorials |
| 22:35.09 | ArcanePariah | And do not explains the interactions of objects (hardest part) |
| 22:35.22 | JademusSreg | I'd need to check the logs, to be certain. |
| 22:35.36 | G0A | ArcanePariah I wish blizz would have a tooltip for all entry in the data editor |
| 22:35.58 | ArcanePariah | Yes, but thankfully they are making strides in that |
| 22:36.12 | ArcanePariah | 2.1 adds a fair number, and more importantly, they are VERY detailed |
| 22:36.27 | ArcanePariah | TBH, they didn't add tooltips, they added whole explainations |
| 22:36.32 | Dustin|Work | Good |
| 22:36.41 | G0A | Nelson Mandela dead |
| 22:36.47 | ArcanePariah | 0.o??? |
| 22:37.06 | ArcanePariah | Ahh crap... |
| 22:38.06 | JademusSreg | Would like to contribute to a less transient, more accessible resource than this channel, but it's dreadfully boring to make tutorials, and they tend to be uselessly specific in their solutions. |
| 22:38.20 | Torhal | I was about to suggest the wiki, too. :D |
| 22:38.42 | ArcanePariah | Indeed, often people follow tutorials but when they need to deviate from the, they often do not understand the concept and fail |
| 22:38.48 | Torhal | Poor wiki has been neglected since June. |
| 22:38.50 | ArcanePariah | from the tutorial* |
| 22:38.58 | ArcanePariah | Well I've done a few edits here and there |
| 22:39.10 | ArcanePariah | But yes, large sections of it are really out of data or incomplete |
| 22:39.53 | *** topic/#sc2mapster by Torhal -> http://sc2mapster.com | http://wiki.sc2mapster.com | sc2mapster bnet2 channel | WCS Partnership for eSports g0g0! | We want your broken maps! http://bit.ly/aU9AgC | This channel is logged, via purl |
| 22:40.59 | JademusSreg | This gets updates sometimes: http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/tutorials/ |
| 22:41.13 | Dustin|Work | Torhal, you need to make me and Jade mods on the website so we can post awesome news posts |
| 22:41.26 | JademusSreg | But this is the new wiki project, for those unaware: http://wiki.sc2mapster.com/Main_Page |
| 22:41.34 | Torhal | That needs to go away. All that stuff should be migrated to the actual wiki - when we finish the new platform, those pages are going away. |
| 22:41.53 | JademusSreg | Yes, that will be a glorious day. |
| 22:42.04 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, need people to migrate current wiki info to new one and also clean up the info. |
| 22:42.14 | Torhal | We're looking, tentatively, at March...so... |
| 22:42.38 | ArcanePariah | Hmm...ought to spend a small time each day, one article at at a time |
| 22:42.57 | JademusSreg | Dustin, I've been a mapster moderator for a while, but probably not the wiki. |
| 22:43.09 | JademusSreg | brb in a bit |
| 22:43.23 | Torhal | I was going to say, JademusSreg should be able to make announcements... |
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| 22:45.31 | Torhal | wonders where Sixen has been. |
| 22:47.50 | ArcanePariah | One tooltip that is informative/interesting is the one about Synchronous Seed |
| 22:48.45 | ArcanePariah | Basically that flag makes it so models which are created with random variations are created uniformly for all players, such that even though the model will be varied, it won't pick a seperate variant per player |
| 22:49.08 | ArcanePariah | How DT's, althought created with 2 varients, appear the same to all players for a given DT |
| 22:52.09 | ArcanePariah | Oh, it appears many tooltips were added to actor events. Like for the set team color, it now explains the difference between the different blend types |
| 22:52.49 | DeadZergling | one problem I've noticed with a lot of tutorials was that they only had one example |
| 22:53.01 | DeadZergling | here is how you do this for this, the end |
| 22:53.16 | DeadZergling | is like the damn calculus text book on word problems :P |
| 22:53.16 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, gives incomplete picture of the overall concept |
| 22:53.22 | ArcanePariah | lol |
| 22:53.56 | DeadZergling | another issue is, they often forget to say WHY we are doing this |
| 22:54.15 | ArcanePariah | Ok, yeah, in actor events, many of the drop down menus for options now have tooltips |
| 22:54.30 | ArcanePariah | Like for the event Set Team Color has a drop down menu for Blend Type |
| 22:54.34 | ArcanePariah | It now has a tooltip |
| 22:55.27 | ArcanePariah | Assuming you can call a paragraph long explaination a tooltip |
| 23:15.35 | JademusSreg | Is the ambient occlusion flag still missing its tooltip? =D |
| 23:16.10 | ArcanePariah | I have not looked at model data |
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| 23:43.25 | Bommes | nelson mandela died apparently |
| 23:43.31 | Bommes | I thought he died like half a year ago. hm. |
| 23:49.43 | Kueken | don't worry, he'll die again |
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