| 00:02.51 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 00:03.09 | Kueken | Hey, Lajla :D |
| 00:03.49 | Kueken | Jade: I am not sure how to use the AttachBearings messages, or what they do for that matter |
| 00:03.54 | Kueken | care to elaborate? |
| 00:04.19 | JademusSreg | rummages through the files. |
| 00:04.28 | silmakuoppaaniki | JademusSreg, can you force her to? |
| 00:04.35 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 00:05.15 | silmakuoppaaniki | Kueken, was ist deine meinung? |
| 00:05.34 | Kueken | my nick in finnish |
| 00:05.38 | Kueken | (almost) |
| 00:05.57 | silmakuoppaaniki | Von leuten die keine Fremdspachen mit mir willen sprechen |
| 00:05.57 | silmakuoppaaniki | JademusSreg, can you force A1win to reply in Finnish when I talk finnish to her? |
| 00:06.34 | JademusSreg | I can't force anyone to do anything. =D |
| 00:06.38 | Kueken | this is an english channel, feel free to speak other languages, but prepare to be ignored mostly |
| 00:07.21 | silmakuoppaaniki | kuekki means somthing or something |
| 00:07.21 | silmakuoppaaniki | JademusSreg, why not? |
| 00:07.21 | silmakuoppaaniki | THreaten to eat their mothers |
| 00:07.21 | silmakuoppaaniki | Behold |
| 00:07.24 | Kueken | sorry to your eternal boredom, thats as entertaining as it gets for now :) |
| 00:07.26 | JademusSreg | Ah, found the data I was looking for in Core. |
| 00:07.55 | Kueken | I was told Kuken means erected penis in swedish as well as finnish |
| 00:08.08 | silmakuoppaaniki | A1win, jos et vasta suomeks, siis mä syön äitisi |
| 00:11.12 | JademusSreg | The SiteOp SOpBasicScopeFollow (actor type SiteOpBasic) uses ScopeBearings; inheriting the bearings from an actor, as AttachSetBearingsFrom may, would get a simple follow, but not quite you described. |
| 00:11.27 | JademusSreg | Instead, I suggest a different message. |
| 00:12.27 | A1win | Pewniverse |
| 00:13.54 | silmakuoppaaniki | Kueken, kuk does |
| 00:13.54 | silmakuoppaaniki | kuken is like 'the errected penis' |
| 00:13.54 | silmakuoppaaniki | Not sure about kuken in Finnish though, appears to be an accusative of kukki but I can't find kukki. |
| 00:13.55 | JademusSreg | Since all actor messages have that lovely Target field, you should be able to use any Attach message that has an Actor field as a way of attaching units in the ass-backwards fashion you described. |
| 00:14.51 | Deadzergling | sounds too much like the Puny Verse, Universe of Puniness |
| 00:15.59 | JademusSreg | By making define Target as the "Attachment" (to use your term) and the Actor parameter of the message to refer to the "Unit", you should accomplish the old backwards attachment technique with a single message. =D |
| 00:16.25 | JademusSreg | Make sense Kueken? |
| 00:16.36 | Kueken | Jade: Yes, I know, but I would need to create the attachment separately still |
| 00:16.43 | Kueken | ...or not |
| 00:16.51 | Kueken | I am stupid >.> |
| 00:17.04 | JademusSreg | Naw, not stupid at all. |
| 00:17.31 | JademusSreg | (But everyone without exception is an idiot.) |
| 00:17.52 | Kueken | I did mean it in a more specific sense, I know I am the smartest person on the planet, at least, but I was stupid about this |
| 00:18.48 | JademusSreg | I prefer to think of stupidity as a willful, deliberate wrongness, whereas idiocy is an accidental flavor of wrongness. =D |
| 00:20.00 | JademusSreg | In that sense, idiocy is understandable, stupidity is grave character flaw. |
| 00:20.52 | JademusSreg | brb in a bit |
| 00:23.08 | Kueken | you cannot copy&paste in the target field o_0 |
| 00:23.26 | Kueken | from name in target that is |
| 00:23.33 | Kueken | from target to target works |
| 00:23.43 | Kueken | even though both fields are strings |
| 00:26.50 | silmakuoppaaniki | Kueken, don't you think A1win is evil? |
| 00:27.09 | Kueken | no more than you |
| 00:27.32 | silmakuoppaaniki | Is vengeance not appropriate? |
| 00:28.34 | Kueken | did they still not fix the SetRotation message? |
| 00:47.39 | Zolden | http://terrycavanaghgames.com/dontlookback/ |
| 00:47.40 | Zolden | this |
| 00:59.10 | JademusSreg | Zugzug |
| 00:59.42 | Deadzergling | amusing little game, I quit after it decided to stop drawing the ground, lol |
| 00:59.55 | Zolden | it was special levels |
| 01:03.23 | Deadzergling | was thinking about the shaking building thing Kueken, wonder if it might be easier to just create a lot of attachments, killing them for each movement |
| 01:04.27 | Kueken | I have something complicated and ugly in mind, currently trying to make it a little differently |
| 01:04.55 | Deadzergling | guess this explains why you don't see shaking buildings in the game often, lol |
| 01:04.58 | Kueken | I also thought of just trying to use a rocker site operation |
| 01:05.31 | Kueken | but I am not too familiar on how to operate them, so I haven't explored the direction very far |
| 01:11.43 | JademusSreg | Played that gamr before. Still don't like it. |
| 01:11.57 | JademusSreg | The controls, specifically. |
| 01:13.31 | JademusSreg | A few site movers could get a nice shaking effect, no problem. |
| 01:16.20 | Stewox | hey deadzergling if you thought about if that was crazy stuff |
| 01:16.23 | Stewox | it's really nothing |
| 01:16.25 | Stewox | at all |
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| 01:17.12 | A1win | now comes the batshit crazy stuff? |
| 01:17.49 | Stewox | let me show you an example of real deal crazy: there is a secret weapon you have no idea about, but you saw it in action in real life, a whole big scale demostration of it |
| 01:18.30 | Stewox | you want me give you a clue ,,,, hmmm ? :) |
| 01:18.44 | Stewox | well I rather let you figure it out actually |
| 01:18.44 | A1win | natural causes |
| 01:20.18 | Stewox | okay here's the bone, that's all i'm going to say: Pons-Fleischmann |
| 01:21.03 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 01:21.04 | A1win | "sir, we are overwhelmed!" "don't worry, we have a secret weapon - we let them die to NATURAL CAUSES, mwahahahaha, mwahahahahahaa" |
| 01:21.14 | ArcanePariah | Anything interesting going on in here? |
| 01:21.23 | JademusSreg | Pons asinorum. |
| 01:21.29 | JademusSreg | Hi thar. |
| 01:21.32 | ArcanePariah | Hey there jade |
| 01:21.39 | Ahli | that game ahhhh :D |
| 01:21.49 | Ahli | easy until that cave with 2 bats and the snake |
| 01:22.12 | JademusSreg | Only shot the gun once, and that was only because of a bad checkpoint. |
| 01:22.31 | JademusSreg | Middle island, fireballs, 1 bat. |
| 01:22.55 | Stewox | I gave out a big enough clue that if you really search it deep you'll find the rest |
| 01:23.03 | A1win | someone should make a game that literally throws all enemies at once |
| 01:23.19 | A1win | literally throws literally all |
| 01:24.03 | JademusSreg | Or in Stew's case, fons asinum. |
| 01:24.03 | A1win | literally literally, not figuratively literally |
| 01:25.07 | A1win | stewox is talking *at* us again :< |
| 01:25.33 | JademusSreg | Literally a literary litany of litigious literalists. |
| 01:26.11 | A1win | litter rally could be a game |
| 01:27.39 | A1win | I found a friendly milk carton, now I have a liter ally |
| 01:27.47 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 01:28.27 | nooblark | Jade, quote of the day: Literally a literary litany of litigious literalists. |
| 01:28.48 | JademusSreg | ♥ ♥ ♥ |
| 01:29.34 | Stewox | just watched terminator 2 |
| 01:30.12 | Stewox | new world order isn't much different than skynet :( |
| 01:30.22 | Ahli | the bridge with the birds.... I can't do it :X |
| 01:32.16 | Ahli | did it :D and killed the monster that shoots stuff by going back to the previous screen after slaying it |
| 01:33.00 | A1win | srewox, yes... neither of them is real |
| 01:34.15 | A1win | t even |
| 01:34.27 | A1win | sleep time |
| 01:43.34 | Stewox | i would understand one thing if you get redbull jademussreg in some kind of emergency thing, but sitting at the lazy PC and ordering 6 packs sound ridicolous, I think I only saw that in movies .... |
| 01:46.12 | Stewox | http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/nyc-train-derailment-kills-4-hurts-more-than-60/2013/12/01/fb8e3a0e-5ae8-11e3-801f-1f90bf692c9b_story.html |
| 01:46.15 | Stewox | AHAHA |
| 01:46.25 | Ahli | yay, won it |
| 01:46.27 | Stewox | ofcourse it was going to fast |
| 01:46.47 | Stewox | man that guys is like a zombie |
| 01:47.24 | Stewox | he's like +30 or something that's bad man |
| 01:48.54 | Stewox | 6 pack redbulls while sitting at a PC all day, I really haven't seen it even in the most biggest gamers i knew in real life |
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| 02:14.22 | [1]Dustin | anyone that doesnt have NS2, its flash saleing for 2.50 right now |
| 02:17.01 | Stewox | what's NS2 ? |
| 02:22.06 | Ahli | I would guess natural selection 2... but I'm not sure |
| 02:22.35 | [1]Dustin | Ya Ahli Natural Selection 2 |
| 02:22.37 | [1]Dustin | Steam sale |
| 02:22.44 | Ahli | ahhhh in 36 hours I've my bachelor degree or I'm extmatriculated... |
| 02:25.58 | Stewox | i have a perfect picture for that |
| 02:29.10 | Stewox | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_OIZttnMt_u4/TP0vCuu9sMI/AAAAAAAAAqQ/XzVMlUs0m1o/s400/David_Dees_Education.jpg |
| 02:29.58 | Stewox | bachelors in what ? |
| 02:48.05 | Ahli | information systems |
| 02:53.42 | Stewox | cool, tell me how the NSA star-treck command looks like .... later i go sleep now! |
| 02:54.11 | Ahli | btw, you need to write tests in order to receive a grade allowing comparisons between persons. Having good grades makes it easier for the firms to chose you, else they need to pick just one and they have absolutely no clue if that person might succeed in their job or not. So, scholarship and grades are a service for you, the person offering his work force to firms. |
| 03:10.23 | ArcanePariah | Which btw, do virtually nothing to actually establish someones's skill |
| 03:11.01 | ArcanePariah | All good grades establish is some slight background knowledge, and basic time management |
| 03:11.13 | ArcanePariah | Along with some decent project management |
| 03:27.19 | Ahli | yeah, well, but firms would like to have a nice way to sort the amount of applications... |
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| 04:21.39 | JademusSreg | Backish. |
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| 04:36.52 | miushock | hi jade you there? |
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| 04:45.48 | JademusSreg | Yesish. |
| 05:13.20 | ArcanePariah | lol, too late |
| 05:13.32 | ArcanePariah | So JademusSreg, anything new or spicy you find? |
| 05:44.16 | JademusSreg | Hm. Spent some time tinkering with my demo. Regarding frame types and elements, have my working set, just need to extract information from the editor and client. Which involves a great deal of guessing from contextual clues. |
| 05:45.48 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, any word near a frame class or desc path might be a frame type, element or an element attribute, so lots of testing involved, haha. |
| 05:46.11 | JademusSreg | Fortunately, the UI editor makes testing easy (though it invariably locks up the editor). |
| 05:50.19 | JademusSreg | Since the UI editor strips out invalid frame types and elements upon saving, my approach is to put every element into every frame type, editor strips out the shit, editor process locks up when it attempts to push the error messages to the Message window, kill the process, and end up with a list of valid frame types and elements. |
| 06:05.08 | ArcanePariah | Interesting approach |
| 06:05.18 | ArcanePariah | Certainly is the most through and effective though |
| 06:05.44 | ArcanePariah | In effect, you are submitting all possible inputs and letting the editor do the work of validation |
| 06:05.58 | ArcanePariah | Based on output, one can thus see all valid inputs |
| 06:06.04 | JademusSreg | This is what people do in the absence of documentation. =D |
| 06:06.23 | ArcanePariah | Luckily (in this case) there is relatively few inputs |
| 06:06.47 | ArcanePariah | You said there was only 200 some unique frame types? |
| 06:06.56 | ArcanePariah | or thereabouts |
| 06:07.35 | JademusSreg | 292 standard frame types, that is to say frame types derived from the standard layouts. |
| 06:08.03 | ArcanePariah | So things like HealthBars, which are derived from UnitStatusBar? |
| 06:08.09 | JademusSreg | (Not counting interface mods; haven't extracted from them yet.) |
| 06:08.32 | ArcanePariah | So everything in your paste that fall under implemented or extended by? |
| 06:08.35 | JademusSreg | UnitStatusHealthBar, standard frame type. |
| 06:09.35 | ArcanePariah | So in that drop down menu in the UI editor that lets you add a frame, there are 292 elements in that? |
| 06:09.40 | ArcanePariah | Yessh... |
| 06:09.42 | JademusSreg | The element support list paste lists many non standard frame types and elements, too. |
| 06:10.09 | JademusSreg | My favorite example being the Control frame type. |
| 06:10.43 | ArcanePariah | So.... basically right now you are extracting the data to update that paste and the number of entries is far far bigger now? |
| 06:10.47 | JademusSreg | Tested it because there's a CControl reference in the client/editor, and logically it should be the parent of all controls. |
| 06:11.07 | JademusSreg | Marginally larger. I expect 2.1 will add much more. |
| 06:11.34 | ArcanePariah | True, your paste is just of standard frames, not all the various templates and other stuff |
| 06:11.56 | ArcanePariah | Like it was nice to find the actual layouts that define how triggers create dialog items |
| 06:11.56 | JademusSreg | Templates tend not to be frame types unto themselves. |
| 06:12.05 | JademusSreg | Yep. =D |
| 06:13.35 | ArcanePariah | And yeah, I assume 2.1/2.2 might include whatever stuff they created for Heroes, since I assume Heroes will use the same UI setup (works, why not?) |
| 06:13.51 | JademusSreg | Thank goodness for the galaxy platform. |
| 06:14.22 | JademusSreg | Also, 2.1 should include support in the shader code and actor data for occlusion halos. |
| 06:14.38 | ArcanePariah | Oh, like what they previewed in Heroes? |
| 06:14.43 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 06:15.09 | JademusSreg | From what I know, the occlusion halo in Herostorm is not currently doable in SC2. |
| 06:15.14 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, I thought that might be doable right now, but I realized it would insanely complicated |
| 06:15.48 | ArcanePariah | Well, it might, but would be probably be a massively convoluted solution |
| 06:16.14 | JademusSreg | It could be possible, but from what I see in the code, it's a materials issue. |
| 06:16.29 | ArcanePariah | Yeah |
| 06:16.35 | ArcanePariah | Basically not worth the effort |
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| 06:17.12 | JademusSreg | The SSAO could do it, but without the material defines in the first place, doesn't look doable with pre-2.1 shaders. |
| 06:17.49 | ArcanePariah | I do hate that one part of the editor, you can so heavily configured model/actor data, with things like sound impacts based on materials, and stuff like that, but... you gotta do it all yourself, so unless you properly setup Aliases, it would be a massive task |
| 06:18.17 | JademusSreg | Not unless the Halo actor shit filter field can define materials, hahaha. |
| 06:18.20 | ArcanePariah | To be honest, Alias are such an overlooked thing in actors, but they are absolutely crucial |
| 06:18.38 | ArcanePariah | Without them, the actor setups present right now would take 100x more effort to do |
| 06:19.43 | JademusSreg | Oh, that reminds me, data also supports constant tokens. |
| 06:20.14 | JademusSreg | It's subtle if one only interacts with the data module interface, but it's obvious in the Core actor data xml. |
| 06:20.22 | ArcanePariah | Or more accurately, all the tools used for doing abstractions in Actors (Aliases, Macros, and Signals) are totally needed to do anything, but not used enough by people so they end up doing things VERY slowly in actors |
| 06:20.35 | Ownage | how do you make a 'not enough minerals' message exactly like if you try to choose something you don't have enough minerals for? |
| 06:21.05 | JademusSreg | Own, for what purpose? |
| 06:21.08 | Ownage | the voice and noise and message. I didn't see anything under alerts when I typed in minerals. is it an alert? |
| 06:21.28 | Ownage | for an instant abil button with a fake cost |
| 06:21.36 | JademusSreg | Why a fake cost? |
| 06:21.55 | Ownage | because there's no cost |
| 06:22.31 | Ownage | same abil on many units with just different button and varying costs |
| 06:22.32 | JademusSreg | Er, instead of some vaudeville schtick, how about you explain the design? =D |
| 06:23.19 | JademusSreg | iirc, behaviors can be used to modify costs, or at least link to them. |
| 06:23.41 | Ownage | is that an "I don't know"? |
| 06:23.53 | Ownage | I'm not going to change my game design to get a mineral message, I'll just leave it out |
| 06:24.24 | JademusSreg | Naw, I'm attempting to understand the design to find a more elegant solution. =D |
| 06:24.24 | ArcanePariah | Ownage, the sound is played directly, not as an alert, but as an error |
| 06:24.35 | ArcanePariah | All abilites have a default error |
| 06:24.50 | ArcanePariah | Which is the error that runs when the ability can not be used |
| 06:25.05 | ArcanePariah | And that error usually has a sound/message connected to it |
| 06:25.37 | ArcanePariah | To be honest, I do not know where Errors are defined |
| 06:26.26 | Ownage | that looks like it thanks, I changed it to not enough minerals, gonna check now |
| 06:28.42 | JademusSreg | Well, strangely there is an Error data type, but every version is blank. |
| 06:29.00 | Ownage | hmm I should have thought about that first |
| 06:29.16 | Ownage | it doesn't stop it from casting, so I need to make a validator I think(?) |
| 06:29.48 | JademusSreg | Hm. Might be fun to see what ErrorData is capable of doing. |
| 06:29.58 | JademusSreg | Later, though. Busy, atm. |
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| 06:35.23 | JademusSreg | From Errors.txt: "e_cantTakeAddress=Cannot use '&' on an object which has no address" |
| 06:35.26 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 06:40.02 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 06:45.07 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/nx3uv |
| 06:45.22 | JademusSreg | Haha, looks familiar, wouldn't you say? |
| 06:45.56 | JademusSreg | So the error responses certainly appear to correspond to ErrorData. |
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| 06:55.58 | Ownage | what's the tick rate again? .065 something |
| 06:56.02 | JademusSreg | Wow, this is a tad surreal. Error data is used in many places, uses a ErrorType,AdditionalParameters syntax. |
| 06:56.15 | JademusSreg | 0.0625 game second |
| 06:56.19 | JademusSreg | 1/16 |
| 06:56.38 | Ownage | garcias |
| 06:57.03 | JademusSreg | For Faster game speed, that's about 22.4 game updates per real second. |
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| 06:59.07 | Ownage | ABOUT? |
| 06:59.26 | JademusSreg | There's a very minor discrepency. |
| 06:59.37 | Ownage | I am making a laser accurate game here, if I am off by even a nanosecond we're talking world war 3/Z |
| 06:59.58 | Ownage | preferrably Z, as there's a chance of survival there, plus zombies! |
| 07:00.40 | JademusSreg | Probably related to the fact that fixed point real numbers are used for synchronous anything, floats are used elsewhere, and that the game is dynamically slowed to compensate for lagging players. |
| 07:01.17 | JademusSreg | 3Z. |
| 07:01.29 | JademusSreg | Has a good flavor to it./ |
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| 07:02.43 | JademusSreg | wonders if galaxy efficiently evaluates logical expressions. |
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| 07:07.04 | Delphinium | http://www.2-live.com/video/TyXlXyYAe0M/Russian-tourists-beat-up-bear-at-Polish-national-park.html |
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| 07:08.00 | Delphinium | Russian the Warrior tribe |
| 07:08.04 | JademusSreg | Yay. |
| 07:18.16 | JademusSreg | And yes, thankfully, expressions are handled efficiently. |
| 07:23.27 | JademusSreg | Results: https://pastee.org/t3wyn |
| 07:24.32 | ArcanePariah | I lol @ your strings |
| 07:24.46 | ArcanePariah | But yes, I would expect the editor to do short circuit evaluation |
| 07:24.58 | ArcanePariah | Since it is something inherant to C lanaguages |
| 07:25.04 | JademusSreg | ♥ |
| 07:25.49 | JademusSreg | I expected it would, as well, but assuming anything with SC2 is hazardous. |
| 07:26.14 | JademusSreg | I speculate a great deal, though. =D |
| 07:26.49 | JademusSreg | Wanted to be certain before I rewrote some functions. |
| 07:28.44 | ArcanePariah | So... I read the stuff above, apparently Errors are somewhat nebulous? |
| 07:29.17 | JademusSreg | Bit of a mystery, yes. They have a data type, and other data references them, but they seem to be, er, nowhere. |
| 07:29.57 | ArcanePariah | I did find in the Gameplay Data object an array that define the Error text for all possible failed filter checks |
| 07:30.23 | JademusSreg | Yeah, and the Result refers to Error data. |
| 07:30.25 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 07:30.37 | JademusSreg | Same for Validators and such. |
| 07:30.54 | ArcanePariah | It had a filter and the same fields all other errors have (custom text, custom sound) |
| 07:30.57 | ArcanePariah | Yeah |
| 07:31.00 | ArcanePariah | Kind of weird |
| 07:31.23 | JademusSreg | Very. |
| 07:31.24 | ArcanePariah | It is like Errors are not errors as much as Result data of an object |
| 07:38.08 | ArcanePariah | I did look and see that there are many sounds in the game that are localized and more importantly, are race prepended, not appended |
| 07:38.36 | ArcanePariah | like the need more minerals is written as Alert_#Race#NeedMoreMinerals |
| 07:38.39 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 07:38.55 | JademusSreg | I tend not to open locale mpqs. |
| 07:39.01 | ArcanePariah | Same for not enough energy, geyser/mineral field exhaused |
| 07:39.02 | JademusSreg | Guess I should. =D |
| 07:42.42 | JademusSreg | Oh, one other fun observation, if you get an itch to test stuff; a number of Blizz-only restrictions can be circumvented by code called before the map initialization event, |
| 07:42.47 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 07:42.48 | ArcanePariah | Bingo, JademusSreg, in enUS.SC2Data, localized datat |
| 07:42.57 | ArcanePariah | The errors.xml is packed |
| 07:43.06 | ArcanePariah | Has Galaxy error strings |
| 07:43.29 | JademusSreg | (Bzzzt sorry, ErrorData.xml is the data type.) |
| 07:43.39 | ArcanePariah | derp :/ |
| 07:45.36 | ArcanePariah | Ok yeah, that is indeed weird, it is like they are defined internally??? |
| 07:45.42 | ArcanePariah | Wth... |
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| 07:49.26 | ArcanePariah | Ok, random question on a random field, there is a field in the Gameplay Data that lets you define the max number of terrain cells... what stops a player from making one with bigger then the largest value currently present? |
| 07:53.55 | G0A | wow this game beats most of the new games http://www.waitinginline3d.com/ |
| 08:03.08 | ArcanePariah | looool.... |
| 08:03.47 | ArcanePariah | Someone must've been bored to make that |
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| 08:46.45 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 08:47.09 | JademusSreg | Hardcoded limits. |
| 08:48.45 | JademusSreg | Actually, some folks managed to make larger maps, but the extra area was unusable. And crashable. |
| 08:50.12 | G0A | hey Stewox got to love when a conspiracy theorists dont believe a conspiracy theory, so everybody hates him cause it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLfo49UwPEs |
| 08:50.51 | Stewox | could be |
| 08:52.02 | Stewox | not sure why would they do it to walker, since I don't remember him having any kind of anti-nwo tendency |
| 08:52.41 | Stewox | it could be any other reason, like music stars, those are ritualistic sacrifices |
| 08:52.59 | G0A | bitch bird: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBYAxvJYe3s |
| 08:53.11 | Stewox | so, given that possibility, not sure what mark dice's point is |
| 08:54.49 | Stewox | also mark dice is more of a avreage guy, he's not experienced as alex jones or david icke for example, it's not that he's bad, just don't take him 100% on everything because he's been doing this in recent years only |
| 08:55.28 | G0A | As I know he worked Alex Crazy Jones since the beginning... |
| 08:55.52 | G0A | he probably left because he finally got some sense... |
| 08:55.54 | JademusSreg | Annoyed constants can't be initialized with UserData. |
| 08:56.29 | G0A | and that david icke is just shit nuts crazy deluded man |
| 08:57.54 | Stewox | that's your opinion plus that's not the point now, just to give you an example, david icke knew about BBC pedophilia and Jimmy Savile like 10 years ago |
| 08:58.35 | Stewox | continuing, it doesn't mean that he understands things the same way alex does just because he's working with him like going to a protest or something |
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| 08:59.46 | Stewox | there are 50 employees at infowars, only a fraction of them are the core team that understand, the team has been built up and even now they aren't perfect, alex tells these stories on radio, how he bet on some things and the whole team didn't believed him then it was true |
| 08:59.58 | G0A | yeah he doesnt have as much personal cult as the man on the top, so he isnt as deluded and close minded... |
| 09:00.39 | JademusSreg | Harglefark darkleshart parfgorp donglepork. |
| 09:00.40 | Stewox | no, he simply isn't experienced, he's not working fulltime on this like AJ and DI are |
| 09:00.58 | Stewox | this conspiracy stuff is just a portion of his work |
| 09:01.59 | G0A | yeah he will less personal cult cause that. So people like you believe him less. |
| 09:02.17 | Stewox | you don't understand how deep the information hole goes, alex jones reads philosophy, very old history books, 30 minutes of financial stuff every day, and ofcourse legislations, which are many times over 2000 pages long |
| 09:02.34 | G0A | After all small minded people can only love 1 true "god" |
| 09:02.37 | Stewox | probably about 200 books in all |
| 09:02.46 | JademusSreg | Also, listens to imaginary internal voices. |
| 09:02.53 | G0A | :D |
| 09:03.23 | G0A | reading legislations the ultimate form of learning... |
| 09:03.24 | Stewox | extremely low frequency or ELF |
| 09:03.37 | Stewox | yeah you think your smart |
| 09:03.47 | G0A | ohh he does admits hears voices? |
| 09:03.53 | Stewox | man you're just making your sell look like a jackass really |
| 09:04.05 | Stewox | you think if you take sides with the majority in this chat it makes your right |
| 09:04.23 | G0A | I dont believe in sides |
| 09:04.43 | Stewox | you're not as experienced either, you wouldn't do what you do |
| 09:04.48 | G0A | As I said before, things are relative, there are not only black and white |
| 09:05.47 | Stewox | difference is with alex jones, he can forgive, he just 1 day ago was talking about the weird mindset of followes, there were many people rising up and being backstabbers in the end |
| 09:05.52 | G0A | I am certainly not as experienced in conspiracy theories, but probably I am more experienced in anything else which concerns reality more... |
| 09:05.56 | Stewox | they just made stuff up |
| 09:05.58 | Stewox | like you are |
| 09:06.15 | JademusSreg | Consults with Norse deities, speaks in as many as 7 tongues, hunts elves, has recently released a tinfoil-inspired clothing line, spies on the Omnilluminati (the even more secret society controlling the world through sinisterly composed showtunes), reads tea leaves, huffs gas like the Oracle at Delphi, and once abducted some aliens and probed them. |
| 09:06.17 | Stewox | it is a plague, a plague of selfish stupid shit jumping to conclusions and assumptions |
| 09:06.28 | Stewox | I would definitely not hang out with people like you |
| 09:07.02 | Stewox | I don't like people who think they're smarter from the get go while they don't actually are present to be credible for a discussion |
| 09:07.24 | JademusSreg | As you can see, Goa, he is an illustrious and noble learned individual, having read no less than 200 colouring books. |
| 09:07.39 | G0A | JademusSreg experiencing Anal probing is a must have knowledge. Everybody has different experience about prostate examinations. |
| 09:08.01 | Stewox | all you people said in this chat is worthless, because you don't know the information you need to know, you are disqualified from the discussion |
| 09:08.31 | Stewox | there are valid criticism of alex jones, but thankfully, none of those really matter when it comes down to information that matters |
| 09:08.50 | JademusSreg | Alex Jones is so far ahead of everyone else, he gets yearly poststate exams. |
| 09:08.58 | G0A | :) |
| 09:08.59 | Stewox | it's all irrelevant, it's all subjective, it's all frame of the picture, it doesn't affect the picture it self |
| 09:09.39 | Stewox | but you get another bonus for being an extra idiot by joining the herd |
| 09:09.45 | G0A | spiritual journey into the unknown of prostate exams |
| 09:10.25 | Stewox | because you're actually joking with zombies who don't understand they're so braindead they cannot think correctly nor do they suspect something is wrong to go look in it a bit more |
| 09:10.26 | G0A | that must be his A1win's map's name |
| 09:11.02 | G0A | Stewox dont try convince people by discrediting them. |
| 09:11.18 | Stewox | you already are what is the point |
| 09:11.19 | G0A | we are gave up on you long time ago thats why we just troll |
| 09:11.35 | G0A | or at least me |
| 09:12.35 | Stewox | I don't think you understand who is at real loss here, trolling is ineffective if you haven't noticed, all you're doing is making fun of your own stupidity |
| 09:12.56 | Stewox | trolling is expected, it is part of the job, so, it's nothing |
| 09:13.51 | JademusSreg | Alex Jones single handedly ended HIV transmission by infecting people with antimatter HIV. He once saved an orphan, an orphan from the future. Alex Jones has sex with gay men, and somehow transforms them into hetero women. He both broke the news on autism-causing vaccines, and developed an autism vaccine. Alex Jones is so right about everything that his words retroactively enforce history. |
| 09:14.39 | G0A | People find trolling disturbing because dont like to think about what a trolls says. I on the other hand I love trolling, lots of the times its an art of imagination. |
| 09:15.09 | JademusSreg | Yes, if one must do anything, do so excellently. |
| 09:15.39 | Stewox | but when you don't get humble enough to admit you've been conned you won't be able to break this, it is you who are slowing down your self because of your fear of reality, the fear drives the defence mechanism, by trolling or making fun, it is a techinque to raise self-esteem and falsely repaint the thoughts as no big deal, it's conscious blinding |
| 09:17.40 | Stewox | you love it because it makes you look smarter and provides you with a psychological escape protocol which raises your spirit, but falsely, it is a very easy thing to do compared to facing the truth |
| 09:18.47 | Stewox | if you think it is an offensive technique you are heavily mistaken, it simply has no effect on me because it's a defensive measure to keep your brain in a relaxed state as it was, protecting the status quo |
| 09:19.32 | G0A | Yeah surely I fear reality. My biggest fear that 99% people are crazy shit retarded instead of they are being controlled by alien overlords. |
| 09:20.15 | JademusSreg | Alex Jones wasn't born here; he travelled her from a parallel universe called Fringe. He doesn't celebrate mainstream holidays because he recognizes they are tools of greed and oppression; he only celebrates Alexjonesmas, traditionally buying himself gifts from the money earned by selling merchandise and ad space. Alex Jones uncovers the truth from the comfort of his dangerously comfortable |
| 09:20.15 | JademusSreg | swivel chair, he's that good. |
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| 09:21.01 | JademusSreg | This is a fun creative writing activity. =D |
| 09:21.07 | JademusSreg | But I must return to code. |
| 09:21.50 | Stewox | why people jump to conclusions and assume, because it doesn't require any thinking, it's the easiest defense mechanim and the fastest, the brain doesn't have to do much, but that is not the cause, the cause is external and is actually done by the nwo, you are a victim of their programs, when the brain is relaxed it works very trigger-like |
| 09:21.51 | G0A | dam Fringe was such a good series |
| 09:24.05 | JademusSreg | "As said earlier, basically, if Stew can understand it, it's almost certainly wrong. I'd even go so far as to suggest the inverse, that one can assume that anything correct will be disbelieved by Stew, including basic arithmetic." |
| 09:24.47 | G0A | :)) |
| 09:26.33 | G0A | thats quite astonishing since its widely believed that the universe tends to "solve" things by the easiest possible way... |
| 09:27.34 | JademusSreg | I agree, we're certainly seeing an cognitive analogue to entropy. |
| 09:28.00 | G0A | :) |
| 09:28.30 | Stewox | until you don't admit your just a slave living inside a matrix, you will live a lie |
| 09:29.44 | JademusSreg | Stew, what does the mathematical concept of a matrix have to do with anything? =D |
| 09:30.02 | G0A | yeah we are slaved by social tendencies, dna and natural laws. |
| 09:31.27 | G0A | I think you know nothing about that 3 "matrix" |
| 09:31.43 | Stewox | if this topic was on a non-personal-binding level, for example something that does not affect status quo, it would have been a totally different kind of discussion, because the triggers and defense mechanisms protect the belief system, if it is not challenged it doesn't have to defend it self, that's why we can talk about SC2 perfectly fine |
| 09:32.19 | Stewox | but that's not really enough for me |
| 09:32.43 | Stewox | If I was anyone's real life friend, i probably wouldn't be for long if I couldn't talk normally about conspiracy stuff |
| 09:33.07 | G0A | surely thats why there are rapidly increasing atheists because that status quo wants the people not to believe in overlords..... |
| 09:33.14 | Stewox | I have dumped many friends, I don't have an obligation to lose my nerves to try to protect them, I did what I could |
| 09:34.11 | G0A | yay you must not interfere with members of other religions. |
| 09:34.17 | G0A | you might get converted |
| 09:34.31 | Stewox | I don't push stuff anyways in real life, I only mention it casually, last time I mentioned a number of things, one of them was when we talked about what Routers we have between 4 friends, one guy was looking for advice on a great wireless router |
| 09:34.55 | Stewox | but I had it intervene and at the end I said, "do you turn down the wireless at night?" |
| 09:35.06 | G0A | loool |
| 09:35.35 | G0A | maybe they stopped being friends with you after that crazy shit |
| 09:36.29 | Stewox | and I said casually, it's bad and not good for health I turn it on only when I need it, and the guy basically laughed it off a bit, ofcourse, he has no idea because he doesn't have the knowledge he needs to have |
| 09:36.35 | JademusSreg | Any system of thought which responds to opposition by summarily dismissing it on the basis of opposition rather than the content of its position impairs personal growth, and inevitably insulates itself from humanity and reality. |
| 09:37.33 | G0A | very well said JademusSreg |
| 09:38.08 | Stewox | which doesn't really help anyone of you |
| 09:39.22 | Stewox | those were not dumped friends, those were old cats btw, and it wasn't a big deal at all anyways, we have much stronger bonds |
| 09:39.49 | JademusSreg | So does thermal insulation. |
| 09:40.07 | Stewox | I probably haven't seen anyone in this chat I would have been a real life friend to, unfortunately |
| 09:40.16 | G0A | you know we dont follow anybody who says us not to believe in certain things. |
| 09:40.45 | Stewox | oh there is one, maybe zandosel but di dont know him much beyond a few things |
| 09:41.05 | G0A | Also fears radio wave is a good measure of you scientific literacy |
| 09:41.12 | JademusSreg | HAha |
| 09:41.28 | JademusSreg | Next it'll be a rant about neutrinos. |
| 09:41.46 | Stewox | no it's nintendos |
| 09:41.51 | JademusSreg | HAha. |
| 09:41.57 | G0A | JademusSreg or magical isotopes |
| 09:43.33 | JademusSreg | Or deep sea oil drilling platforms being used to communicate with the dark elves who live inside the hollow earth. |
| 09:44.07 | JademusSreg | Conspiracy Theories: Reality Fan-Fiction |
| 09:44.25 | Stewox | most of them aren't theories |
| 09:45.22 | JademusSreg | Yeah, most of them are creatio ex anum. |
| 09:45.51 | Stewox | ufo is a conspiracy theory, nobody knows for sure if the craft are human origin or not |
| 09:46.11 | Stewox | but compiled with other evidence, most likely not human |
| 09:46.30 | Stewox | how can you be such an idiot i don't know |
| 09:46.39 | Stewox | aren't you over 30 years old ? |
| 09:46.42 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 09:47.30 | Ownage | how can I make two of the exact same unit be considered different select groups? like if you double click one it wouldn't select the other |
| 09:47.37 | Stewox | you have the means to look all this up |
| 09:47.43 | Stewox | all you do is post shit and jokes |
| 09:48.35 | Stewox | incase you are too lazy to look that up, yes, ELF technology can broadcast audio directly into your brain, and it's commercial already |
| 09:49.16 | G0A | Ownage change "Unit: Subgroup Priority" If I remember correctly |
| 09:49.43 | G0A | "broadcast audio directly into your brain" |
| 09:50.44 | Ownage | is that a unit property or something? |
| 09:50.46 | G0A | I wonder why evolution didnt figured out that already... |
| 09:50.51 | Ownage | I'm talking about two units f the same type |
| 09:51.06 | G0A | yeah unit property |
| 09:51.45 | Ownage | nah there's nothing like that that I see |
| 09:51.45 | G0A | also try model: Art: Selection Layer |
| 09:52.21 | DeadZergling | *yanks the bags of peanuts away from G0A and JademusSreg* |
| 09:52.29 | DeadZergling | you know the rules, no throwing peanuts |
| 09:53.33 | Stewox | here you go , commercialized audio-to-brain transmission tech http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azwL5eoE5aI |
| 09:53.44 | JademusSreg | Stew, I understand you probably don't intend to come here to antagonize others, but rather deliberately seek out abuse, as self-perception of persecution enables a sense of vindication and superiority, as though you were the single aware person in a world of automatons. You crave the insults and incitement and have since childhood, when your social deficiencies first began to alienate you |
| 09:53.44 | JademusSreg | from your peers, when antagonism was the only attention you could extract from others. |
| 09:54.37 | Ownage | it's subgroup alias I need to change |
| 09:54.54 | Ownage | priority is the order if you select different unit types, which order they show up in |
| 09:55.02 | Ownage | and alias is what is 'the same' as far as select groups |
| 09:55.11 | Ownage | know of any way to change that per-unit? |
| 09:55.52 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 09:56.01 | DeadZergling | manage to get anything done tonight you two, or too busy picking Stewox apart? |
| 09:56.24 | Stewox | nope, you're just making many stuff out of nothing, my point is to awake others, if there is one that would admit he doesn't know much, and he would like to know more, I'm happy to show him and explain all about it |
| 09:56.32 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I've been coding. =D |
| 09:57.16 | DeadZergling | Stewox, I'm sorry, I have heard quite enough out of you. To be perfectly blunt and honest, you aren't smart enough to realize how stupid you sound in here. |
| 09:57.22 | DeadZergling | You need to stop. |
| 09:57.28 | Stewox | so, there is still my secondary objective to get to dustin and try to reverse the debacle and get him to listen for a few minutes |
| 09:57.31 | JademusSreg | Stew, I'll not contribute to the abuse you desire. I'll simply ingore ya. |
| 09:58.25 | G0A | Stewox that tech has nothing to do with brain http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23167112 it uses your fucking ear drums like all current means of audio communication. |
| 09:59.10 | Stewox | maybe, doesn't make government deployed ELF any less real |
| 09:59.26 | Stewox | that's your opinion deadzergling |
| 09:59.28 | G0A | maybe, it makes your look epicly stupid |
| 09:59.56 | Stewox | that's also your opinion of me g0a, which I really don't care about |
| 10:00.14 | DeadZergling | you are a poor liar Stewox, people who don't care about others opinions |
| 10:00.15 | Stewox | you guys need to understand, that I don't really give a damn what slaves and zombies think about me :) |
| 10:00.19 | DeadZergling | don't spend hours arguing with them |
| 10:00.48 | G0A | radio waves the magic of conspiracy theorists. |
| 10:01.03 | Stewox | did you hear what my mission is ? awaking others, providing help as much as I can |
| 10:01.23 | G0A | yeah like a good Catholic |
| 10:01.27 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 10:01.38 | JademusSreg | Prosyletizing. |
| 10:01.43 | G0A | we all get into the hell if we dont listen |
| 10:02.55 | Stewox | I do not do this as a business, but I can provide if you seek, as long as it doesn't affect my other activities regarding to time and scheduling |
| 10:03.22 | DeadZergling | g0a, find us a triple facepalm picture please |
| 10:03.57 | Stewox | your effect is like a gatekeeper G0A, you know more than others, but you try to block your own and their path as well with your actions |
| 10:04.18 | G0A | http://jdkolassa.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/reet-triple-facepalm.jpg |
| 10:04.26 | DeadZergling | Stewox, you are not Jesus |
| 10:04.33 | DeadZergling | so please quit talking as if you were him. |
| 10:05.31 | Stewox | the debacle that happened was a result of my own emotions getting in the way, it was not a good time to be discussing that |
| 10:05.41 | G0A | No Stewox, I just like to troll and I feel bad that people are so mislead like you. (I have hatred to things like religions) |
| 10:06.20 | G0A | Stewox lets get to that ELF shit |
| 10:06.23 | DeadZergling | yea, he was quoting what Jesus said to the Pharisees, the Rabbis in particular about you G0A, couldn't have been misquoted much worse, lol |
| 10:06.39 | G0A | because thats so much nonsense that I can easily point out how retarded is that |
| 10:06.43 | Stewox | Unfortunately I am not suitable for that discussion |
| 10:07.20 | Stewox | I do not believe I possess enough information required to make any sort of detailed discussions and explanations regarding ELF technology |
| 10:07.33 | G0A | DeadZergling haha thats actually a honor to me:) |
| 10:07.37 | DeadZergling | you already made that ridiculously obvious |
| 10:08.06 | Stewox | I only provide what I am sure of |
| 10:08.12 | DeadZergling | nice try to get out of it, but all I'm hearing is, I don't actually know what I'm talking about |
| 10:08.18 | G0A | Stewox so you believe something that you dont know how works at all. |
| 10:08.21 | DeadZergling | let's talk about something else where I can try to defend yourself |
| 10:08.38 | DeadZergling | oh that isn't so bad G0A, the way he goes about it is awful |
| 10:08.53 | DeadZergling | I don't know shit about how bridges are engineered, not really sure what makes my truck tick |
| 10:08.57 | Stewox | I am familiar that the technology exists, but not much beyond that |
| 10:09.02 | DeadZergling | I use them almost every day |
| 10:09.50 | Stewox | I could have tried to, but It would require me to use more opinion based thought which is definitely not acceptable |
| 10:10.19 | DeadZergling | you have been spouting opinions all day Stewox, so you sir are not acceptable by that standard... |
| 10:10.44 | G0A | ok show me proof of that technology exists |
| 10:11.32 | G0A | cause that video you showed has nothing to do with ELF or any type of radiation |
| 10:12.29 | Ownage | what technology |
| 10:12.44 | DeadZergling | ELF Technology, from the North Pole |
| 10:12.53 | DeadZergling | that can transmit commercials into your brain... |
| 10:12.57 | G0A | "ELF technology can broadcast audio directly into your brain, and it's commercial already" |
| 10:13.10 | Ownage | well yeah |
| 10:13.12 | DeadZergling | Because Santa is really Satan |
| 10:13.20 | Ownage | of course it can send audio to your brain |
| 10:13.44 | DeadZergling | keeps the spirit of christmas alive year round. |
| 10:14.57 | Ownage | it's right there in wikipedia |
| 10:15.15 | Ownage | 10% of volunteers could sense the waves being shot through them |
| 10:15.45 | G0A | link? was it a double blind experiment? |
| 10:16.05 | Ownage | "A study by Reilly in 1999 showed that the threshold for direct perception of exposure to ELF RF by human volunteer subjects started at around 2 to 5 kV/m at 60 Hz with 10% of volunteers detecting the ELF expose at this level" |
| 10:16.22 | Ownage | I've heard about 7hz before |
| 10:16.30 | Ownage | there was a band called the 7 hurts named after it |
| 10:16.32 | Stewox | I do not have any good links to give in such a short notice |
| 10:16.45 | Stewox | I have never focused in this subject |
| 10:17.09 | DeadZergling | What Stewox thinks he is talking to: http://truthaholics.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/deessheeple.jpg What he is actually talking to: http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/278/3/5/Epic_Facepalm_by_RJTH.jpg |
| 10:17.21 | Ownage | 7hz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_weapon |
| 10:17.41 | G0A | yeah |
| 10:17.54 | G0A | you know thats focused, |
| 10:18.12 | G0A | still what I really curious of how will you hear audio by it... |
| 10:18.33 | DeadZergling | Santa's ELFen magic! |
| 10:18.42 | Stewox | my research would go much deeper than wikipeda but that's a good start, most of the big deal stuff is not on public display much, I have seen many examples but I do not hold a bookmark folder specifically for ELF |
| 10:18.45 | Ownage | "The extra-aural (unrelated to hearing) bioeffects on various internal organs and the central nervous system included auditory shifts, vibrotactile sensitivity change, muscle contraction, cardiovascular function change, central nervous system effects, vestibular (inner ear) effects, and chest wall/lung tissue effects." |
| 10:18.47 | G0A | if you are close to any high energy electromagnetic radiation you will feel it.... |
| 10:19.24 | Stewox | if you are not close you won't feel it, but you'll still get cancer 30 years down the road |
| 10:19.50 | G0A | Stewox surely you would learn all the basics of electromagnetism? |
| 10:19.54 | Ownage | I never really figured out why someone would care what might happen in 30 years |
| 10:20.23 | Stewox | understandable for a slave |
| 10:20.34 | Ownage | who me? |
| 10:20.44 | Stewox | I guess |
| 10:21.09 | Ownage | I live about the most opposite a life to what you mean by slave as I could imagine I think |
| 10:21.17 | G0A | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.19 | Stewox | However, I do have handy material on other EMF stuff, like Wi-Fi and Cell Phones |
| 10:21.41 | Ownage | it sounds like you're a slave to your webrings of garbage |
| 10:21.52 | Ownage | who cares about that stuff, go outside and do something ;) |
| 10:21.54 | JademusSreg | CENTURY-OLD NEWS: Radioactive isotopes are everywhere, and this news comes on the heels of the discovery of all-pervading cosmic radiation. |
| 10:22.00 | Stewox | I might have forgoten your position, you do not appear to be long around here ownage |
| 10:22.15 | Ownage | I'm seated. |
| 10:22.17 | G0A | JademusSreg yeah CMB is message from god! |
| 10:22.44 | Ownage | this is my first time on irc iirc |
| 10:22.47 | JademusSreg | Own, wat was your issue? Something about selection? |
| 10:23.38 | Ownage | 10 units of same unit type: can I make double clicking on 1 of them only select itself, or alternatively for example two groups |
| 10:23.49 | Ownage | modification of the subgroup alias per-unit |
| 10:23.55 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 10:24.08 | Ownage | even if I shift catalog on click or something it would still affect it's neighbors |
| 10:24.12 | G0A | also it seems you cant see advanced data Ownage |
| 10:24.30 | G0A | if you didnt see subgroup piority |
| 10:24.53 | Ownage | if you read my question slower you'll see why finding the data field doesn't help out |
| 10:25.02 | G0A | but I think it will be the Selection Layer in the model data |
| 10:25.16 | Ownage | hmm |
| 10:25.41 | G0A | make 10 same model and switch model by triggers of the unit |
| 10:25.42 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zolden (~a@88.135.0.21) |
| 10:25.45 | G0A | that might work:) |
| 10:25.53 | Stewox | Is that all you have to say about your position ownage ? |
| 10:26.14 | Ownage | position on what? |
| 10:26.26 | G0A | other than that you can use triggers with event unit selected deselect all that isnt the first in the selected untis group |
| 10:26.31 | kingTD | ffs ................................. |
| 10:26.31 | G0A | I do that in one of my map |
| 10:26.31 | Ownage | you can't expect to vaguely ask someone's position and expect a meaningful reply can you? |
| 10:26.33 | Stewox | your lifestyle and status |
| 10:26.36 | DeadZergling | Ownage, quick word of advice, don't talk to Stewox, lol |
| 10:26.51 | Ownage | I'm a ceo and I spend my days traveling the world |
| 10:26.52 | JademusSreg | Doesn't seem to be any means of sub-group modification per unit. Is this related to squads or something? |
| 10:26.55 | DeadZergling | it leads to a dark, annoying place you don't want to go |
| 10:27.25 | kingTD | almost got the Magic fuckers of latest tier and then teammates doesnt kill 2 colossus.... 200g 200mana in the bank and 100 mana inc |
| 10:27.25 | Stewox | what brings you into this chat, hobby ? |
| 10:27.37 | Ownage | right now I'm in 南宁，广西，中国 |
| 10:28.14 | DeadZergling | chinese I assume? |
| 10:28.28 | kingTD | Plus some kind of NEO is nolifing in Mines with 140 games and winning from me elo :( |
| 10:28.38 | G0A | DeadZergling nice he will analyze Ownage background and will try to convince him relying on that instead of facts... |
| 10:29.00 | Ownage | DeadZergling, I'm american |
| 10:29.09 | DeadZergling | the characters I meant, Ownage |
| 10:29.16 | G0A | kingTD :) |
| 10:29.19 | Ownage | 对 |
| 10:29.28 | Ownage | (dui -> "correct") |
| 10:29.32 | Ownage | learning me some mandarins |
| 10:29.46 | Ownage | since I never dids so well wit the engrish |
| 10:29.53 | DeadZergling | heh, i can usually tell the difference between korean/chinese/japanese |
| 10:29.57 | DeadZergling | but not much beyond that |
| 10:30.14 | Ownage | if you can't tell the difference between korean and chinese you're thick |
| 10:30.15 | Stewox | you said something about being opposite of slave - which doesn't mean much, you can be full of cash but still eat unhealthy and GMO food and not research things that aren't part of your profession |
| 10:30.32 | Ownage | what does eating unhealthy have to do with being a slave? |
| 10:31.20 | Ownage | I ate home made dumplings, eggs and bacon today, 3 coffees, 2 chocolates and a little cake thingy.. am I slave or not slave |
| 10:31.47 | Ownage | DeadZergling, here's how you can tell easily, having been all three places and so on |
| 10:31.51 | Stewox | homemade eggs ? |
| 10:32.13 | Ownage | home made dumplings ,<- comma |
| 10:32.21 | DeadZergling | for me, the korean has the circles in it, chinese is more square like and not katakana/hiragana, and japanese obviously has the katakana/hiragana |
| 10:32.23 | Ownage | DeadZergling, chinese is the most elaborate of the three |
| 10:32.37 | Ownage | DeadZergling, korean is only circles, ovals, lines and squares |
| 10:32.47 | Stewox | well, I mean in a sense, if you take care of all aspects of your life, anyone can have a load of cash and still be dumb :p |
| 10:33.03 | Ownage | and japanese is chinese, with some extra characters that mostly look 'wavy' or like smiley faces |
| 10:33.14 | DeadZergling | yea, those are katakana/hiragana |
| 10:33.23 | DeadZergling | at some point i was enthralled w/ japanese, learned the kanas |
| 10:33.24 | Ownage | Stewox, wait are we talking about being dumb or being slaves? you're moving quite quickly |
| 10:33.26 | JademusSreg | Fun fact: Malignant narcissists inflate their esteem by devaluing things which do not empower their frail self-image. |
| 10:33.49 | Ownage | I literally am living the life I always wanted to live |
| 10:33.50 | Stewox | okay I understand comma, I meant if you buy eggs or you search for locals in natural farms to get the eggs ? |
| 10:34.04 | Ownage | natural farms? |
| 10:34.11 | Ownage | you did read where I said I was in China right |
| 10:34.17 | Stewox | let me explain ... |
| 10:34.18 | Ownage | we don't have that new aged stuff here |
| 10:34.26 | Stewox | new aged ? |
| 10:34.33 | Ownage | you come over here talking about scientology and they just deport your ass |
| 10:34.40 | Stewox | in china permanently? |
| 10:34.48 | Ownage | fad diets, gyms, magic stones that heal you |
| 10:35.02 | Ownage | well it's my home base, but I travel a lot like I said |
| 10:35.10 | Ownage | I was in thailand last month |
| 10:35.15 | G0A | magic stones?:) |
| 10:35.28 | JademusSreg | Fun fact: Malignant narcissists only ask personal questions to discover qualities they can verbally attack. |
| 10:35.33 | Ownage | I know my new aged stuff G0A I've see penn and teller |
| 10:35.34 | DeadZergling | glad you enjoy it Ownage, dream life for me involves no traveling by vehicle, like ever |
| 10:35.41 | Stewox | but you quickly went out of thailand to escape martial law correct ? |
| 10:35.47 | DeadZergling | well except maybe airplanes, I get motion sickness real bad on anything else |
| 10:35.49 | Ownage | sounds like you should move to pennsylvania |
| 10:36.05 | Ownage | you can chill with the amish, they're nice enough |
| 10:36.22 | Ownage | though no one would know how intelligent you were since they don't really care about radio waves there |
| 10:36.32 | JademusSreg | Own, are you attempting to make DoW-like squads? |
| 10:36.50 | Stewox | I just mean, if you are aware all the stuff around you ... like how unhealthy Wi-Fi and cellphone radiation is, how toxic food is, especially in china, where it's contaminated with lead and mercury like no other place |
| 10:36.59 | Ownage | I don't know what that means JademusSreg your sc-foo is masterful |
| 10:37.07 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 10:37.22 | Ownage | I just don't want to make 2 of every kind of unit just for that |
| 10:37.29 | Ownage | can I disable that group select thing then? |
| 10:37.56 | Ownage | Stewox, I'm quite aware that there are people in the world who care about that stuff |
| 10:38.02 | DeadZergling | yea, pretty sure being amish and wanting to be a developer |
| 10:38.04 | DeadZergling | don't mix |
| 10:38.16 | DeadZergling | with my luck I probably get horse sick anyways |
| 10:38.29 | Ownage | I do the minimum; basically I boil my water and wash and cook my food |
| 10:38.30 | JademusSreg | Infantry units in Dawn of War (and DoW2 and C&C 3) function as squads, like a single unit with multiple parts. Is this what you intend? |
| 10:38.37 | Stewox | I though, when you said you're opposite of a slave, then you must be one of those who knows the truth |
| 10:39.01 | Stewox | boiling won't remove the flouride from the water btw |
| 10:39.03 | Ownage | yeah the truth is that worrying about radio waves will always cause you more ACTUAL damage than radio waves |
| 10:39.11 | Ownage | I like flouride |
| 10:39.19 | Stewox | why ? |
| 10:39.25 | Ownage | makes mouths happy |
| 10:39.36 | Stewox | like a mouthwash ? |
| 10:39.45 | Ownage | also if you knew china a bit more you'd know fluoride is not what you worry about with water |
| 10:39.54 | Ownage | we wish we had fluoride in our water here |
| 10:40.00 | G0A | :) |
| 10:40.19 | Ownage | while people like you in america whine about imagined dangers of it, the rest of the world can't drink their water at all |
| 10:40.24 | Ownage | or so it seems sometimes :) |
| 10:40.44 | G0A | or they dont even have water:) |
| 10:40.51 | Stewox | for the record, I'm not an american, but, what flouride product do you use, for what purpose ? |
| 10:41.17 | Ownage | toothpaste for brushing my teeth |
| 10:41.26 | DeadZergling | yea, wife told me it is cheaper to drink beer in europe then water, lol |
| 10:41.46 | G0A | DeadZergling thats so not true |
| 10:41.51 | halides | "europe" is a pretty big area |
| 10:42.09 | DeadZergling | well okay, maybe it was unit to the czech republic area |
| 10:42.14 | Stewox | I don't know if you're serious or not really, just mindboggling to me ... |
| 10:42.15 | Ownage | last time I was in uk a water was like $8 |
| 10:42.15 | DeadZergling | *unique |
| 10:42.23 | Ownage | and they don't do free water like in the states |
| 10:42.37 | Ownage | here in china people don't drink with meals at all |
| 10:42.47 | Ownage | many places don't even have drinks |
| 10:42.53 | Stewox | neither do I |
| 10:43.04 | Ownage | and you're confused if you're thinking they're back there washing up before cooking |
| 10:43.15 | G0A | DeadZergling nope Its true for discos or for such places... |
| 10:43.39 | Ownage | I always like a drink with meal |
| 10:43.46 | Ownage | it's habit from the states I suppose |
| 10:43.51 | Stewox | may I ask which area you work ownage, construction, steel work, ? |
| 10:44.03 | Ownage | in the states we drink orange juice with our cereal :D |
| 10:44.07 | JademusSreg | snacks on a tumor-covered autistic aborted fetus. Oh, no wait, it's a double chocolate muffin cake. |
| 10:44.15 | Ownage | Stewox, IT |
| 10:44.18 | G0A | Ownage so are dogs tasty?:) |
| 10:44.27 | Stewox | allright |
| 10:44.32 | Ownage | my gf won't let me try them |
| 10:44.47 | Ownage | turns out chinese really do eat dogs, but koreans moreso |
| 10:44.48 | JademusSreg | Goa, I expect that depends on how they are farmed. |
| 10:45.00 | Ownage | I did eat some pidgeon |
| 10:45.22 | JademusSreg | Would advise against eating vulture. |
| 10:45.33 | Ownage | never seen one |
| 10:45.42 | Ownage | where do they eat that, middle east? |
| 10:46.03 | G0A | Ownage yeah someone who I know asked in remote region of China that this meal he is eating is really good and what it is? and they said to him thats its dog.D |
| 10:46.06 | Stewox | which city in china ownage? |
| 10:46.14 | Ownage | 南宁 |
| 10:46.25 | Ownage | G0A, yeah seriously they do have dog here for sure |
| 10:46.29 | JademusSreg | I would imagine few humans eat them, since they feed on carrion and have adapted resistances to shit what would be unpleasant to ingest. =D |
| 10:46.32 | G0A | I know |
| 10:46.33 | Ownage | it's not super popular in the big cities |
| 10:46.59 | G0A | Also they eat that turtle soup for everything |
| 10:47.09 | Ownage | in 广东 |
| 10:47.18 | Ownage | they eat the crazy stuff |
| 10:47.30 | Ownage | my gf told me some people eat dead babies there |
| 10:47.40 | Ownage | but that sounds a little out there to me |
| 10:48.00 | Ownage | yeah they eat turtle soup and all that stuff. tiger bone tea or whatever |
| 10:48.33 | Ownage | (live) monkey brains |
| 10:49.26 | Stewox | did you check out Foxconn factory ownage ? |
| 10:49.47 | Ownage | somehow I missed that one |
| 10:50.04 | Ownage | I was busy living my life to go check out a factory that makes products I don't buy :) |
| 10:50.56 | Stewox | living your life eh |
| 10:51.05 | Ownage | yeah |
| 10:51.10 | Ownage | doing what I like to do |
| 10:51.13 | Stewox | that's da spirit |
| 10:51.21 | Ownage | I like toiling on starcraft sometimes |
| 10:51.35 | Stewox | who cares if there's slave labor down the road, just so you had fun, then it's all great! |
| 10:51.48 | Ownage | down the road? |
| 10:52.21 | Stewox | you're in nanning, foxcon factory isn't far away |
| 10:53.02 | Ownage | I got news for you stew |
| 10:53.08 | Stewox | the only reason I would go to china is to help overthrow the govt :p |
| 10:53.15 | Ownage | if you think I care at all about some people killing themselves you're confused |
| 10:54.08 | Ownage | there are actual important things happening in the world if I cared to 'jump in' |
| 10:54.16 | Stewox | well ofcourse, you're a ceo full of cash, as long as you get your sightseeing the blue ... err white-lines sky, then it's a life you always wanted |
| 10:54.30 | Ownage | right |
| 10:54.35 | Ownage | now you get it |
| 10:55.06 | Ownage | also, this is a communist state, this isn't some kind of hippie fest where you can go do some kind of protest and wait for change |
| 10:55.29 | Ownage | if some foreigner comes trying to change anything or make any kind of waves they just deport you, right then and there |
| 10:55.39 | Ownage | and if some local does that, they just go to jail or worse |
| 10:55.50 | Stewox | I said, if there was a chance |
| 10:55.55 | Ownage | you get quite a different view about what you 'would do' if you actually come here |
| 10:56.29 | Stewox | ofcourse I won't throw my self into the lions |
| 10:56.41 | Ownage | if I went to haiti I would give everyone sandwiches |
| 10:56.49 | Ownage | well, when you get there reality starts to set in |
| 10:57.07 | Ownage | china is the most massive country ever |
| 10:57.11 | Stewox | well let's say that's what I would do |
| 10:57.16 | Ownage | it absolutely dwarfs usa |
| 10:57.26 | Ownage | when you get here you really... "get it" |
| 10:57.34 | Stewox | I would go there help people not spend time relaxing on some zofa |
| 10:57.38 | Ownage | there is no stopping it at this point, it is in motion |
| 10:57.45 | Ownage | you can't go here to 'help people' |
| 10:57.53 | Ownage | that's what I'm telling you |
| 10:58.03 | Ownage | they would just deport you |
| 10:58.06 | Stewox | if I would have to go there |
| 10:58.37 | Stewox | but I can tell you for certain, china wouldn't exist if other parts of the world weren't under globalist control |
| 10:58.55 | Ownage | I hope you don't mean that the way it's written |
| 10:59.00 | Ownage | because it's quite idiotic as it stands |
| 10:59.10 | Stewox | you think it's just a coincidence communism is still here ? |
| 10:59.21 | Ownage | slow down |
| 10:59.40 | Ownage | first of all, china is one of the oldest civilizations we know of |
| 10:59.52 | Ownage | globalist control has nothing to do with them existing |
| 10:59.56 | Ownage | next |
| 11:00.05 | Ownage | you can't just say the word coincidence |
| 11:00.08 | Stewox | and the communist party leader is on board of directors at Goldman Sachs, how does that sound ? |
| 11:00.21 | Ownage | the prefix co- means basically you need something AND communism |
| 11:00.32 | Ownage | you can't just say a coincidence that communism exists |
| 11:00.39 | Ownage | coinciding with what exactly |
| 11:00.57 | Stewox | coincidence that it simply defended it self from being destroyed |
| 11:01.04 | Stewox | out of nothing |
| 11:01.15 | Ownage | I don't think you understand the word coincidence, haha.. |
| 11:01.24 | Stewox | the free people would destroy any tyranny on this planet |
| 11:01.30 | Ownage | you're using it to mean suspicious or something |
| 11:01.56 | Ownage | more bad news for you stew |
| 11:02.01 | Ownage | people were born free |
| 11:02.03 | Stewox | what I'm saing is, usa has been hijacked, if it wasn't china wouldn't exist anymore |
| 11:02.08 | Ownage | we didn't destroy all the tyrrany |
| 11:02.13 | Ownage | we made what we have now |
| 11:02.16 | DeadZergling | there is a great many things Stewox does not understand, you will see how often this is true if you frequent this channel at all, lol |
| 11:02.41 | Ownage | contrary to detective stew's work, I've been in here several times a week for about a year or so now |
| 11:03.17 | Stewox | so that means you know how china works from the inside, or just just know how bad does the air smell and how metallic the food tastes ? |
| 11:03.30 | Zolden | kingTD any balance notes? |
| 11:03.32 | Ownage | the food is sooooooooooo delicious |
| 11:03.43 | Ownage | I mean seriously destroys american food, quite surprising |
| 11:03.58 | DeadZergling | what do you have against tanks Zolden |
| 11:03.59 | kingTD | Zolden u need to balance noobs in my team :( |
| 11:04.02 | G0A | Zolden Sun Idol sucks:D |
| 11:04.05 | Stewox | doesn' mean it's not contaminated |
| 11:04.05 | kingTD | Zolden getting owned |
| 11:04.08 | DeadZergling | they have went from 1600 hp to 1200 hp |
| 11:04.10 | Ownage | I couldn't believe how they eat here, it's just elaborate and beautifully crafted food |
| 11:04.31 | Ownage | as for pollution, that's mostly in beijing and probably shanghai |
| 11:04.53 | Ownage | but even in those cities I couldn't really tell any difference between it and anywhere else I'd been |
| 11:04.54 | Zolden | DeadZergling you mean those mech tier 1 tanks? |
| 11:05.05 | DeadZergling | berserkers or battle tanks |
| 11:05.07 | Ownage | guess I'm just not sensitive to that kind of thing, having been a smoker most my life |
| 11:05.17 | Stewox | ofcourse, isn't much better in big usa cities either |
| 11:05.23 | Zolden | yea, they were more op then winged penis |
| 11:05.27 | Stewox | but still the avreage in china is higher |
| 11:05.32 | kingTD | Zolden queens are op and works great getting anything more high tier than those are just suicidal... Was just about to get them and then teammates slipped through 2 colossus while i had in bank 200 g 200 mana and 100 mana inc |
| 11:05.41 | Zolden | battle tanks also shouldn't be tanks, they are damage dealers |
| 11:05.48 | Stewox | so as a good man |
| 11:05.57 | G0A | Zolden Also defense upgrades are still feel useless specially at late game |
| 11:06.03 | Stewox | do you actually support any of the freedom stuff at all ownage ? |
| 11:06.10 | DeadZergling | that is lame though Z, you pigeon hole everyone into the stupid angel/anubis tanks doing it that wa |
| 11:06.13 | Ownage | what is the freedom stuff |
| 11:06.17 | Stewox | like giving a donation or something ... |
| 11:06.23 | kingTD | Zolden nerf the queens stun to 1 sec or less |
| 11:06.48 | Ownage | I used to have a monthly auto-donation to a charity called in defense of animals |
| 11:06.52 | Zolden | kingTD queens stun? i thought they heal creeps |
| 11:06.54 | Zolden | oh |
| 11:06.55 | Stewox | well, freedom of speech in america, and the right to bear arms .... hmm ? |
| 11:06.57 | Zolden | snow queens |
| 11:07.00 | Ownage | but their emails were really annoying so I let it expire |
| 11:07.02 | kingTD | Snow queens |
| 11:07.17 | Ownage | freedom of speech is alright, not bad |
| 11:07.28 | Zolden | kingTD ok, i'll nerf it |
| 11:07.30 | Ownage | right to bear arms has no real purpose that I'm aware of |
| 11:07.39 | kingTD | Zolden fix income of gold mines ffs... |
| 11:07.50 | Ownage | not since governments got enough firepower to overpower any amount of civilians |
| 11:07.53 | Stewox | you don't have to go into detail, but if you spend any time or money on protecting middle-class ? |
| 11:08.05 | Ownage | of course not |
| 11:08.14 | Stewox | why ? |
| 11:08.23 | Ownage | why would I? |
| 11:08.29 | Stewox | I would |
| 11:08.34 | JademusSreg | Free the people, sure. May as well incite your dermis to revolt against your brain, the tyranny of that nervous tissue is unmatched, those brain cells are the top 2% and they get a full quarter of the body's glucose. |
| 11:08.36 | Ownage | I mean I spend money, that contributes to the economy here |
| 11:08.39 | Stewox | because I have a soul |
| 11:08.52 | DeadZergling | all i know zolden, was with a near perfect mine alignment, about as good of economy as I could get, I had a much stronger force than normal unit count wise than usual |
| 11:08.52 | Ownage | Stewox, sure about that? |
| 11:09.06 | Ownage | I used to think I had or was a soul |
| 11:09.07 | DeadZergling | and I still died to space destroyers, with far more units than I had to beat it originally |
| 11:09.08 | Stewox | economy, right, which eventually gets sucked up by bankers who also control china |
| 11:09.18 | Ownage | lately I've realized that's actually not based on any evidence |
| 11:09.30 | JademusSreg | The only way to correct this injustice is to forcibly overthrow your brain and remove it from your body. |
| 11:09.45 | Ownage | Stewox, how do you support the middle class? |
| 11:09.50 | Ownage | also which middle class are you talking about |
| 11:09.56 | DeadZergling | I refuse to use the lame angels/anubis |
| 11:09.58 | kingTD | plus upgrading mines is rearly is good thing for other res or the same resource that it produces.. Mana is still quite expansive to send or upgrade any mines with it |
| 11:09.59 | DeadZergling | they can go fuck themselves |
| 11:10.00 | Stewox | no, the fact that china's communist leaders also on board of directors at Goldman Sachs ? |
| 11:10.03 | Zolden | kingTD i like how gold mines work now: if you have extra res, use +20%. Don't think it should be much better than sending |
| 11:10.14 | Ownage | what are you talking about |
| 11:10.15 | Zolden | DeadZergling waht about nagels? |
| 11:10.24 | Ownage | I was talking about having a soul -> no evidence |
| 11:10.38 | Zolden | kingTD right |
| 11:10.41 | Stewox | ah sorry |
| 11:11.02 | Stewox | How long haven't you been in usa ownage ? |
| 11:11.05 | DeadZergling | being forced to use a certain build to win |
| 11:11.10 | DeadZergling | is crap |
| 11:11.17 | Zolden | kingTD how much mana mine upgrade should cost? |
| 11:11.25 | kingTD | Zolden its barely pays off spending other resources on gold mine... if u upgrade with gold with cost 17 and more it wont pay off even fully upgraded |
| 11:11.34 | Ownage | wait I own stock in goldman sachs group, am I bad? |
| 11:11.44 | Ownage | I go to america every few months or so |
| 11:11.46 | kingTD | 15? or a bit more |
| 11:12.01 | Stewox | you go throught molestation or radiation ? |
| 11:12.10 | Stewox | at airport |
| 11:12.15 | Zolden | 18 would pay for itself for 18-9 turns depending on gold upgrades |
| 11:12.25 | Ownage | I go through security sure |
| 11:12.33 | Stewox | or you have a private jet who avoids TSA completely :D |
| 11:12.38 | Ownage | nah |
| 11:12.42 | Ownage | would be nice though :) |
| 11:12.51 | kingTD | need the same procentages like with other resources to upgrade and the amount they can produce fully upgraded so Food Max 11 ; Mana Max 20. Upgrade now Food 7 mana 20... So its totaly shit |
| 11:13.31 | Stewox | so you don't care for the middle-class if their rigthts and dignity is broken as long as you feel good ? |
| 11:13.46 | Ownage | they look happy to me |
| 11:13.51 | Zolden | food 7 repays for 35-7 turns depending on upgrade |
| 11:13.57 | Ownage | what does that have to do with airport security in america |
| 11:14.00 | Stewox | ofcourse, happy poisoned zombies |
| 11:14.04 | Zolden | it's close to 18-9 |
| 11:14.41 | Stewox | incase you haven't noticed, america is very close to martial law |
| 11:15.06 | Stewox | which would definitely affect european markets as well |
| 11:16.17 | Ownage | haven't noticed that really |
| 11:16.21 | Stewox | plus, you aslo don't believe in second amendment |
| 11:16.31 | Ownage | the cops are dicks and it is quite strict there |
| 11:16.51 | Ownage | still relatively free though |
| 11:17.05 | Stewox | oh I'm sure CPS would agree |
| 11:17.17 | Stewox | they get to do whatever they want |
| 11:17.45 | Ownage | child protective services? |
| 11:17.50 | Stewox | yeah |
| 11:18.02 | Ownage | I feel like you need to take more/less ritalin |
| 11:18.08 | Stewox | more like child destructive services |
| 11:18.09 | Ownage | you're all over the map |
| 11:18.37 | Stewox | maybe |
| 11:18.55 | Ownage | or come over here my gf can fix you up some chinese herbal teas |
| 11:18.57 | Stewox | but the point is, don't you get it you don't really do much to help people ? |
| 11:19.02 | Zolden | where should I put what to see Range actor visible around building placement cursor? |
| 11:19.09 | Ownage | people did nothing to help me |
| 11:19.13 | Zolden | like it's done for that terran AA building |
| 11:19.16 | Ownage | and I generally don't like people |
| 11:19.22 | Zolden | what's terran aa buidling name? |
| 11:19.31 | Ownage | when I do help people, they tend to annoy me or punish me for doing so |
| 11:19.44 | JademusSreg | Own, still need assistance or is your discussion with the babbling brook all consuming? =D |
| 11:19.48 | Ownage | I find for myself I'm happier avoiding people mostly |
| 11:19.54 | Ownage | JademusSreg, save me |
| 11:20.04 | Stewox | not surprising for a CEO |
| 11:20.06 | turtles1 | Wife used to work for CPS helping taking kids away from abusive alcoholic pedophiles. I'll make sure to ask her what it was like being able to do whatever she felt like :P |
| 11:20.16 | DeadZergling | I tried to warn you Ownage, lol |
| 11:20.23 | Stewox | so you and other CEOs get into a smokey room and talk about how you don't like other people right ... ? |
| 11:20.26 | JademusSreg | Step 1) use the /ignore command Step 2) There is no step 2. |
| 11:20.31 | Ownage | DeadZergling, I've actually had this kind of conversation with him before |
| 11:20.46 | Ownage | his memory is dulled from all the worrying about fluoride and cps |
| 11:20.48 | DeadZergling | I doubt he remembers it |
| 11:21.00 | Ownage | it was about drinking water or something stupid |
| 11:21.10 | Stewox | you think there is overpopulation ownage ? would you forcibly exterminate 50% if you could do it right now ? |
| 11:21.15 | G0A | Zolden look at Actor event in the actor called placement model that should give a big clue:D |
| 11:21.17 | Ownage | some something about how they all something to all of us for money or something |
| 11:21.30 | Ownage | overpopulation, not at all |
| 11:21.32 | Zolden | G0A right, thanks |
| 11:21.36 | DeadZergling | anyone happen to know of any good sounds for the sound of scraping metal in the base SC2 sounds, by the way? |
| 11:21.37 | Ownage | I think we have plenty of room |
| 11:22.00 | Ownage | DeadZergling, maybe some scv building sounds |
| 11:22.13 | DeadZergling | yea, I tried those, for some reason they refuse to play, lol |
| 11:22.15 | Ownage | JademusSreg, I'm not making multiple units acting as one |
| 11:22.29 | Stewox | I guess you're not an evil ceo, but, why do you think second amendment is not important ? |
| 11:22.29 | Ownage | DeadZergling, they might be too low or YDIW maybe |
| 11:22.43 | Ownage | Stewox, because england |
| 11:23.04 | Ownage | they don't seem to care about not having guns because .. no one has guns |
| 11:23.20 | JademusSreg | Hm, so what is the purpose? =D |
| 11:23.28 | Stewox | second amendment is important because of england ? what does that suppose to mean |
| 11:23.31 | Ownage | it was a great right to have when it meant you could all gang up and overthrow the government, but that could never happen now no matter how many guns you had |
| 11:23.57 | Ownage | JademusSreg, I have buildings which spawn units and right now I have everything working how I want pretty much, using the actual spawn as the building |
| 11:24.02 | Zolden | interesting: can we create a beam, one part of which would be attached to placement model thing, and another part - to anything stationar? |
| 11:24.03 | DeadZergling | well repair isn't perfect, but better than nothing, had to go deeper in the sound picker |
| 11:24.07 | DeadZergling | for it to play anything decent |
| 11:24.15 | Ownage | however when you want to select all your buildings of type x, it selects all your spawns too :( |
| 11:24.23 | Zolden | it seem to be a local actor |
| 11:24.36 | Delphinium | I saw Chinese 0.0 |
| 11:24.37 | Ownage | DeadZergling, my advice is get a new sound. they are quite small |
| 11:25.00 | Ownage | 你能说中文吗 |
| 11:25.02 | JademusSreg | That's odd. |
| 11:25.08 | DeadZergling | yea, could, but that would then get put on the list |
| 11:25.16 | DeadZergling | of things that take months to get around to if I remember, lol |
| 11:25.25 | Stewox | well if a million people shoot 100 times into the govt building it would penetrate eventually but that's a bad example, it's more for protecting your house from intruders, rogue police, etc |
| 11:25.39 | Ownage | Stewox, no it is definitely NOT more for that at all |
| 11:25.49 | Ownage | you have proven you are not american, I believe you now |
| 11:25.49 | JademusSreg | So the buildings which spawn units have the same unit type as the spawned units, thus the problem, yeah? |
| 11:26.00 | Ownage | -> it is specifically for that |
| 11:26.22 | Ownage | JademusSreg, yeah I'm just literally making a spawn unit and effectively 'disabling' him via behaviors and such |
| 11:26.46 | Ownage | reason being I hate dealing with double the amount of units I 'care' about in a spawning map |
| 11:27.14 | G0A | Zolden hmm that nice idea about beam attached to placement model, say if It works:D |
| 11:27.19 | Stewox | but you think you know everything about everything just because you're a ceo in IT and smoking cigars in china ? |
| 11:27.36 | Ownage | who told you that? |
| 11:27.38 | JademusSreg | Hm, and you want the spawners and spawns selection segregated. Did you also want spawners to not get selected and force individual selection or is that a misunderstanding? |
| 11:28.07 | Ownage | I'm american and for sure, definitely the 2nd ammendment is not AT ALL about protecting yourself from neighbors etc. "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." |
| 11:28.30 | Ownage | JademusSreg, I don't care what happens when double clicking spawns actually |
| 11:28.51 | JademusSreg | Alright. But spawns need to be controllable, correct? |
| 11:28.55 | Ownage | no |
| 11:29.01 | Ownage | they are all uncontrollable |
| 11:29.07 | Ownage | but they need to be selectable |
| 11:29.14 | DeadZergling | hrrrmm, another Squadron TD? lol |
| 11:29.17 | JademusSreg | Alright. So apply a behavior to them that makes them Unselectable. |
| 11:29.29 | JademusSreg | That way only spawners can be selected evar. |
| 11:29.35 | Stewox | so did you just continued to smoke cigars in china when 2nd amendment was under attack previously this year, or you made any actions that helped to protect it, at least having an opinion, in private, ofcourse ceos normally aren't public about these things ... |
| 11:29.49 | Ownage | they need to be selectable |
| 11:30.03 | JademusSreg | For what purpose? |
| 11:30.06 | Ownage | I don't care about the second ammendment |
| 11:30.17 | Ownage | to view their stats and upgrades and such |
| 11:30.20 | Stewox | ofcourse you don't need it |
| 11:30.36 | Ownage | I live in a country with 0 guns in the public and it's very very safe here |
| 11:30.38 | Stewox | you're a rich ceo that has all the protection you need |
| 11:30.48 | JademusSreg | Could do that with a custom unit status frame, but alright. |
| 11:30.59 | Ownage | you don't need protection in countries that don't have guns, turns out |
| 11:31.23 | Ownage | JademusSreg, I did that in a previous incarnation but this way is more to my game's feel and my preference I suppose |
| 11:31.41 | Stewox | didn't you miss something, that the govt has guns and the govt is just a mafia of criminals with all the wealth ? |
| 11:31.56 | DeadZergling | well hope you are happy JademusSreg, finally got a throw bottle cast setup I'm happy with |
| 11:31.59 | Zolden | G0A i'll try it when i start the new map that will require this |
| 11:32.05 | Ownage | what does having a gun do to combat that Stewox |
| 11:32.10 | DeadZergling | all your fault for having the throw the alcohol idea :) |
| 11:32.11 | JademusSreg | FOUND IT |
| 11:32.22 | Ownage | I hope you're talking to me |
| 11:32.55 | JademusSreg | Own, Buff behavior : Modification : Behavior tab, scroll to the bottom, see field SubGroup Priority. |
| 11:33.00 | DeadZergling | just a simple matter of duplicate for my other abilities now, thankfully |
| 11:33.14 | Stewox | well, you don't seem to understand that there is slavery down the road while you enjoy your protection, the government with guns doesn't keep people safe, it keeps them being good slaves |
| 11:33.19 | DeadZergling | anywho, going to bed now, is nearly 4 am for me, have a good night all |
| 11:33.24 | JademusSreg | I was looking in the wrong place earlier. |
| 11:33.26 | DeadZergling | even you conspiracy nutjob Stewox |
| 11:33.27 | Ownage | they can quit their job |
| 11:33.32 | Ownage | this isn't north korea you know |
| 11:33.44 | Ownage | people kill themselves all the time in japan too |
| 11:33.52 | Stewox | china any more different than north korea ? |
| 11:34.01 | Ownage | or they can quit. their choice, not my problem |
| 11:34.10 | Stewox | japan society is falling apart |
| 11:34.15 | Stewox | ofcourse |
| 11:34.19 | Stewox | you're an asshole |
| 11:34.19 | Ownage | ok this is getting silly now stew |
| 11:34.30 | Ownage | you're just talking nonsense at this point |
| 11:34.37 | Ownage | china and north korea are not similar |
| 11:34.41 | Stewox | let me just say this |
| 11:34.44 | Ownage | and japan is fine |
| 11:34.58 | DeadZergling | */quits before stewox can say it* |
| 11:35.32 | Ownage | JademusSreg, shiiiiiiet dude thanks! |
| 11:35.39 | Ownage | that should be exactly what I need |
| 11:35.49 | Delphinium | Sorry guys, I may need to spell some Chinese words here. |
| 11:35.54 | Ownage | no wait |
| 11:35.57 | Ownage | no no no |
| 11:36.06 | Delphinium | Ow 你在国内的ID是什么 |
| 11:36.07 | Ownage | that's priority |
| 11:36.34 | Ownage | my ID? |
| 11:36.36 | Ownage | what you mean |
| 11:37.01 | Ownage | JademusSreg, priority is the order in the panel I believe |
| 11:37.20 | JademusSreg | Ah, thought earlier you had asked for subgroup priority modification. |
| 11:38.09 | Delphinium | =。=与中国人说话就不需要用英文啦，只是想看看是不是认识的人，防止聊了半天发现是好友就好玩了。。。 |
| 11:38.14 | JademusSreg | Well, there ae a few options. =D |
| 11:38.17 | Ownage | no that's just the order in which the unit is displayed in the infopanel when you group select a bunch of unit types, at least according to my interpretation of the tooltip for it in the data editor |
| 11:38.24 | Stewox | you are a product of the globalist indoctrination system, you have not been taught good enough human morale and values, your financial school, your college, all a lie, has thought you to behave like you do now, the globalist mafia who controls the banking and education system has prepared you to be a good puppet to carry out this work, ofcourse you have opinions, it's totally understandable... |
| 11:38.25 | Stewox | ...for a CEO, you are selfish, it is a classic behavior of a capitalist, you don't know how it really works, you are still slave even tho you think you aren't |
| 11:38.37 | Ownage | 好吧 |
| 11:39.00 | Stewox | the financial schools teach how capitalism is not bad, you don't understand how rigged this game is |
| 11:39.17 | Stewox | which ends up on the note i started |
| 11:39.17 | JademusSreg | Yep, and also affects how tab switches between subgroups. |
| 11:39.34 | Stewox | you hardly have any soul, just programme |
| 11:39.37 | Ownage | so I'm guessing I'm out of luck |
| 11:39.38 | JademusSreg | Anyway, got 2 options. |
| 11:39.49 | Ownage | oh wow you are quite resourceful |
| 11:40.03 | Ownage | Stewox, I think you have some imaginary enemy that you keep supplanting on people |
| 11:40.47 | Ownage | I own a small IT company so I can work my own hours for other small companies that need IT help. I travel the world and I make money from work and investments |
| 11:40.58 | Stewox | yes even you, the puppet you are a slave as well, you carry out the actions without you even knowing, your behavior and the rest of CEOs and traders and investory, they're all part of it without even knowing |
| 11:41.00 | Ownage | everything I want in life I have, and everything I want to do I do |
| 11:41.10 | Stewox | no it's not everything |
| 11:41.12 | Ownage | I don't see how that could be interpreted as a slave exactly |
| 11:41.12 | JademusSreg | One is to have the actor perform a model swap, you'd have 2 model data entries per unit, with different selection layer values. This was proposed previously. |
| 11:41.26 | Stewox | you don't understand you have been lied to and you've been conned |
| 11:41.46 | Stewox | You are not inherently evil, but you have been compromised |
| 11:41.50 | Ownage | JademusSreg, I guess I didn't understand that much |
| 11:42.02 | Ownage | subgroup alias is a unit setting, why would a model swap affect that |
| 11:42.18 | Ownage | I'm not inherently evil? oh thank goodness |
| 11:42.38 | Stewox | no, most of business people are victims as well |
| 11:42.47 | Ownage | what do you do to help 'the middle class' stew? and which middle class am I meant to be helping? |
| 11:43.23 | Ownage | Delphinium, 你是中国的马 |
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| 11:44.08 | Ownage | Delphinium, 我的中文不好，但是我爱中国：） |
| 11:44.17 | Stewox | but your arrogance is also an issue, business people don't experience the pain and suffering that's why they don't look into it, just keep enjoying their life, but you have been manipulated to not care about other people |
| 11:44.38 | Stewox | these thoughts have been fabricated through propaganda and indoctrination systems |
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| 11:44.57 | Ownage | let me know when you want to tell me what you're donig to save the world |
| 11:45.08 | JademusSreg | The second option is a bit more clever, and a bit more speculative. Instead of model swap, one attaches a model with a different selection layer to a unit. Funny thing discovered a while back, the bounding/selection geometry of models can be combined; it can make unselectable assets selectable and hopefully it can override the selection layer of the host. |
| 11:45.53 | Stewox | it's not your fault ownage, this has been groomed since you were a child, and you are from the mainstream, you've been guided by the education system to reach this job you have now, you probably gone trhough some business school and college right ? |
| 11:46.19 | Delphinium | 嘛，我是中国的0.0 |
| 11:46.20 | Ownage | Stewox, you're about as far off as a palm reader |
| 11:46.38 | Stewox | I do not possess wealth currently as much as I would like to ownage, to do something, I am very young compared to most people in this chat |
| 11:46.53 | Ownage | Delphinium, 你是美国人马 |
| 11:47.04 | Ownage | I didn't go to college proper |
| 11:47.16 | Delphinium | 我一般在Goblin Academy那边出没，他们喊我青蛙。在SC2mapster的ID和现在这个ID一样 |
| 11:47.18 | Ownage | no business school and I'm not a "business guy" |
| 11:47.31 | Ownage | I'm also about as far from mainstream as you can comfortably get |
| 11:47.48 | Stewox | what do you mean |
| 11:47.59 | Stewox | in which way ? |
| 11:48.00 | Ownage | I was raised a scientologist and I spent about 8 years homeless with nothing before building everything I have with my own hands and no help from my family or friends |
| 11:48.19 | Stewox | still a scientologist ? |
| 11:48.26 | Ownage | I've traveled a lot of the world and I live a life exactly tailored to what I want in my life |
| 11:48.34 | Stewox | okay so wait |
| 11:48.37 | Ownage | that's pretty god damn different than what you're describing or thinking |
| 11:48.46 | Stewox | you think you did that or was that done for you ? |
| 11:48.46 | Ownage | you gotta get up on your psychic handbook |
| 11:48.54 | JademusSreg | Homelessness, ah, that was an adventure. |
| 11:49.05 | JademusSreg | Fun times. |
| 11:49.18 | Stewox | because if you were part of the cult, then they obviously laid the path for you ... but you're saying you have your own small company |
| 11:49.23 | Ownage | in retrospect they were fun |
| 11:49.37 | Ownage | I'm not a scientologist anymore stew |
| 11:49.46 | Stewox | scientologists probably implanted many of those anti-second amendment thoughts |
| 11:49.51 | Ownage | I was disconnected from by my family quite a long time ago now |
| 11:50.04 | JademusSreg | "Vagrant" has a lovely flavor to it, much prefer that term. =D |
| 11:50.15 | Ownage | scientologists don't care one way or the other about the second amendment |
| 11:50.48 | Delphinium | Looks that you had a very hard time before. I like the insistent man. |
| 11:50.54 | Ownage | people don't understand shit about scientology, it's quite funny to see people try to discuss it |
| 11:51.04 | Stewox | you think i was born all knowing ? I had a rocky childhood but there was no any cults or religions involved ... it was mostly social communcation problems and the arguing with parents which made a massive impact on my mental status |
| 11:51.09 | Ownage | gf home |
| 11:51.10 | Ownage | brb |
| 11:52.03 | Stewox | and he said he wasn't a slave :D |
| 11:52.39 | Stewox | everyone is except the 6 thousand in the superclass |
| 11:52.59 | Stewox | that's not 1%, that's 0.00000032 |
| 11:53.39 | Stewox | only they are inherently evil |
| 11:54.09 | G0A | Zolden New map????! |
| 11:55.56 | Zolden | G0A the one came to me in a dream, a hybrid between arcanoid and lemmings |
| 11:56.44 | duckies | wtf, zolden has made a new map? |
| 11:57.13 | Zolden | will make |
| 11:57.23 | duckies | do make |
| 11:59.58 | JademusSreg | Stew, while I much prefer to employ subtlety, nuance and eloquence, I must say this directly and at your literacy: You're just plain stupid, by far the stupidest person I've ever seen make words. Just needed to let that out. Resume your vacuity. |
| 12:00.02 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 12:03.40 | G0A | Zolden sounds nice |
| 12:06.18 | Delphinium | Zolden always sounds nice~~ |
| 12:06.44 | Zolden | G0A players will have to place objects like blocks or fields to lead a bounding ball from origin to destination |
| 12:07.00 | Zolden | Delphinium and this sounds nice |
| 12:07.16 | duckies | a puzzle NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 12:07.34 | Delphinium | And Delphinium is a little tree frog. |
| 12:07.40 | duckies | but it does sound kinda nice |
| 12:07.45 | Delphinium | Green skin and Red eyes |
| 12:08.03 | duckies | delphinium sounds like an awesome modeller ;] |
| 12:08.43 | Delphinium | 0.0 |
| 12:09.02 | turtles1 | Would you do something like that via time stepping? Or via unit enters/exits region triggers? Or via behaviours in the data editor? |
| 12:27.40 | G0A | triggers... |
| 12:29.20 | Zolden | niggers... |
| 12:29.56 | Zolden | is there a special way to create a tech tree in the help, or I should organize it with text tags like a fag? |
| 12:30.42 | turtles1 | so every 0.2 seconds (or whatever time step) check for obsticals and apply new position to ball? |
| 12:31.23 | turtles1 | wouldn't that make it seem stuttery? or can you do it fast enough that it's not noticable |
| 12:34.10 | Zolden | it will be stuttery |
| 12:36.22 | A1win | mooornblrglglrning |
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| 12:43.47 | A1win | oh goody, another episode of Stew's Adventures on the Internet Relay Chat is out, was a good watch |
| 12:48.15 | A1win | still waiting for the episode (as it was in the book) where he realizes that the people of IRC are also part of the conspiracy and he's just making himself more vulnerable by talking to them |
| 12:53.27 | G0A | yeah, it seems logical that we are so stubborn that we must be part of the conspiracy. |
| 12:54.15 | Zolden | I heard one of this chat members have a connection with alien base on the moon, and was going to ask the commander of aliens to point one of the rays they control humans with towards Stewox house, to then turn him into the alien zombie, which then would be commanded to go to US, become its president, and turn USA into the Earth landing colony for the invasion |
| 12:54.29 | G0A | btw A1win you should name your map as: spiritual journey into the unknown of prostate exams |
| 12:54.36 | A1win | :x |
| 12:54.40 | JademusSreg | It was an entertaining creative exercise. |
| 12:55.17 | G0A | Zolden good that I live on Mars |
| 12:56.10 | Zolden | G0A that fact that you have so short signal delay means more then that you live on Mars |
| 12:56.59 | Zolden | I think alot of people would agree to move fomr Mars to the Earth in exchange of possessing the faster then speed of light signal transmitting technology |
| 12:57.10 | Zolden | because this technology can help to rule the galaxy |
| 12:57.14 | G0A | yeah it means that I have ftl information transfer capabilities. |
| 12:58.26 | Zolden | so bored writing stupid tech treee text! |
| 12:58.57 | G0A | what tech tree? |
| 13:04.58 | Zolden | shit like this http://i.snag.gy/arj44.jpg |
| 13:05.55 | G0A | nobody will read it anyway, why to trouble?:D |
| 13:06.30 | Zolden | someone like duckies asked me to write this |
| 13:06.39 | Zolden | or someone in comments |
| 13:07.22 | G0A | :D |
| 13:07.23 | duckies | someone like me? you racist zolden |
| 13:07.51 | Zolden | maybe everybody will read it, and it will become a bestseller and win booker prize |
| 13:08.28 | duckies | eh, when I read "tech tree" I think AOE tech trees, not tips >.> |
| 13:09.16 | duckies | best tech tree is the one that show all the options right there in command card |
| 13:10.10 | Delphinium | Talking about the moon, Chinese moon probe is on the way. |
| 13:10.11 | Zolden | yea ;/ |
| 13:10.14 | duckies | though showing everything right there grayed out would be difficult seeing how you've only got 3 rows :/ |
| 13:11.08 | duckies | on the other hand we do have infinite command cards now, so it's just a matter of hard work to find the best looking variant |
| 13:11.42 | Delphinium | And 1000 years ago, Chinese believed that there are big toads which have 3 legs on the moon. |
| 13:11.54 | Zolden | Delphinium do chinese plan to create moon colony to solve overpopulayion problem? |
| 13:12.23 | duckies | or maybe just put a passive icon with your tip info at the bottom of each upgrade column, so that players know right there where to look an what to expect, keep relevant info close to it's stuff |
| 13:12.55 | Delphinium | So toad used to be another way to refer to the moon. |
| 13:13.17 | Zolden | duckies ok |
| 13:13.45 | duckies | I like how zolden just oks to most of suggestions :D |
| 13:14.16 | Delphinium | Nop, every year about 100, 000 Chineses (ALL MEN) go to Russia to looking for Russian girls. |
| 13:14.22 | Zolden | only to the reasonable ones |
| 13:14.59 | Zolden | i don't see any chinese ppl overhere |
| 13:15.15 | Zolden | jsut at all |
| 13:15.37 | Zolden | maybe saw a couple aroun |
| 13:15.47 | Zolden | crap, cat pressed enter |
| 13:15.58 | Zolden | ...around moscow university |
| 13:16.40 | Delphinium | most around the border line. And I guess only these Chineses from north of China can resist the winter of Russia |
| 13:17.07 | Zolden | everybody need global warming |
| 13:17.18 | Delphinium | A little frog, should be frozen in minutes. |
| 13:18.05 | Zolden | frog can evlove and grow a fur |
| 13:19.47 | duckies | global warming can go burn itself, I love snow and cold, life would be so much duller without experiencing the weather changes that winter brings :D |
| 13:20.13 | duckies | on unrelated note, anyone know if there is a limit on how many trigger threads we can have at the same time? |
| 13:20.21 | kingTD | Zolden why dont u make dialog with the tech tree? with tooltips with cost and shits |
| 13:20.33 | kingTD | and it would replace the command card buttons |
| 13:20.35 | kingTD | with that dialog |
| 13:22.34 | duckies | eh, yea, relpacing whole upgrade thing with dialogs is a viable option, if you're enthusiastic about spending dozens of hours on it postponing all other features and balace concerns for a while :D |
| 13:23.00 | A1win | ah now I now why I've been avoiding this score screen so much, my round state code is horrifying ;p |
| 13:23.13 | kingTD | duckies i feel that isnt hard to make it work quite fast... |
| 13:23.35 | kingTD | he doesnt adds anything productive anyways |
| 13:23.54 | duckies | do you realize how horrible quickly-made dialogs look when made by a person who just recently started working with them? :s |
| 13:24.16 | kingTD | yeah this is the only issue |
| 13:24.37 | duckies | it would be like a scouter leaderboard all over again, but this time you'd actually need to use it x_x |
| 13:25.38 | kingTD | :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 13:25.46 | duckies | also, default cc stuff is nice too, so go zolden =D |
| 13:25.59 | kingTD | yeah |
| 13:26.36 | Zolden | what's default cc stuff? |
| 13:27.00 | duckies | Command Card stuff - buttons and menus you're using right now |
| 13:27.52 | Zolden | i'll just add a passive abil with a HUGE toooltip |
| 13:28.16 | kingTD | y better than nothing :/ |
| 13:28.17 | duckies | yeah, it'll be nice and familiar, I'm in favor of that |
| 13:31.15 | kingTD | btw game could be made turn based while playing solo and getting rid of the units attacking each other. just some random calculations to auto solve battles |
| 13:33.46 | A1win | ...and now that I've sorted the round state stuff, I still need to make layout for the score screen @.@ |
| 13:36.55 | duckies | yeah td, he should totally make it a text adventure instead next patch =D |
| 13:37.19 | A1win | "players were complaining about the gameplay, so I took it away" |
| 13:37.57 | A1win | "graphics were called shitty, so I removed those, too" |
| 13:38.26 | A1win | now it's just a blank screen with a text that says "penis" |
| 13:40.45 | Zolden | yea, td can be implemented on calculator |
| 13:40.53 | Zolden | A1win gj |
| 13:41.23 | Zolden | maybe clickable "penis" |
| 13:41.43 | Zolden | the last one who hadn't clicked "penis" wins |
| 13:42.23 | A1win | game's called Touch Dick |
| 13:42.34 | A1win | if you touch it, it says "gay" and you lose |
| 13:42.41 | Zolden | yea |
| 13:42.55 | kingTD | Exactly that calculator with some images would be cool anyways or even better:P |
| 13:43.09 | Zolden | or it could call players dick on map info screen |
| 13:43.15 | Zolden | *gay |
| 13:43.26 | Zolden | becuse who checked info of such a map is gay |
| 13:43.41 | kingTD | i will gay u to death! |
| 13:44.04 | Zolden | kingTD images are for imaginationless people |
| 13:44.21 | *** join/#sc2mapster Grum (~grum@irc.grum.nl) |
| 13:44.26 | kingTD | thats why we are here creating new models and shit |
| 13:44.28 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+v Grum] by ChanServ |
| 13:44.57 | Zolden | thinking of making a dragon as the final boss |
| 13:49.51 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 13:54.45 | G0A | Zolden make space destroyers weaker, both teams die there, if thats the last wave then repeat it forever and make it harder at each wave... |
| 13:56.38 | Zolden | G0A it's not last, there will be 2-3 more |
| 13:56.58 | Zolden | and I won't repeat, will make armies of the 2 teams go fight each other in the middle |
| 13:56.58 | G0A | "will" so its last currently... |
| 13:57.11 | Zolden | it's not last currently, there's another wave |
| 13:57.31 | G0A | well I died horribly at it |
| 13:57.47 | Zolden | ok, will weaken |
| 13:58.09 | JademusSreg | Zol, question: do the mobs have qualitative variation? |
| 13:58.36 | Zolden | JademusSreg what do you mean? |
| 13:59.53 | JademusSreg | Quantitative variation is a mere difference of quantity. Dude has 50 Life, Bro has 150 life. |
| 13:59.55 | Zolden | there are 7 kinds of monsters, and a grid of damage modifiers between them, like magical has lowered damage vs mechanical |
| 14:00.43 | JademusSreg | Qualitative variation is a difference in quality. Dude can turn invisible temporarily, Bro can leap over obstacles. |
| 14:01.10 | Zolden | yea, there are some |
| 14:01.56 | Zolden | ghosts can turn invisible, mages spawn scorpions, sentriers cast shields on themselves, etc |
| 14:02.19 | JademusSreg | Yay. So every mob has a quality? =D |
| 14:02.26 | Zolden | and there's a player's tower that leaps over melee and starting raping ranged damage dealers |
| 14:02.35 | Zolden | not every, but some |
| 14:02.39 | JademusSreg | Booooo. |
| 14:02.52 | Zolden | most of them differ by the class and mass/single |
| 14:02.53 | G0A | JademusSreg play my Entropy TD :) |
| 14:03.20 | JademusSreg | Only if you need my insight. =D |
| 14:03.26 | Zolden | yea, G0A's the kind of making different waves |
| 14:04.22 | Zolden | JademusSreg actually, your note made me think about making more of them have a specialities |
| 14:05.02 | G0A | JademusSreg I will need your insight once I finish the new version of it |
| 14:05.04 | JademusSreg | As a matter of personal taste, I loath the tower defense archetype. But I can be objective in my analysis. |
| 14:05.07 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 14:06.06 | G0A | Its more like a maze builder than a td |
| 14:06.08 | Zolden | i share your loath, adn that's why I made my last 2 maps TD |
| 14:06.29 | Zolden | I also loathed trance musical style, but composed 6 trance tracks because of it |
| 14:06.44 | Zolden | beautiful flowers can grow on shit pile |
| 14:06.45 | JademusSreg | considers inventing the STD. |
| 14:07.23 | Zolden | i heard it was a popular TD map made on c++ |
| 14:07.34 | Torhal | C++ and Spanish. |
| 14:07.38 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 14:09.29 | Zolden | JademusSreg i think you will have fun of goa's td map besides the fun of analysing it, because it utilizes spatial thinking |
| 14:09.40 | JademusSreg | But sincerely, instead of defending against conga lines of mooks with static defenses, suppose you target the mooks before they besiege your fortifications and spread contagious diseases. You target their flow patterns to optimize exposure. |
| 14:10.57 | JademusSreg | And the STD genre is born. |
| 14:17.08 | kingTD | cool story bro |
| 14:17.49 | Zolden | is there a program to unfuck sc2 1-string text with tags into a normal text divided on strings? |
| 14:17.49 | JademusSreg | I agree. |
| 14:17.57 | JademusSreg | Zol, wat? |
| 14:18.18 | Zolden | turn penis</n></n>penis into |
| 14:18.19 | Zolden | penis |
| 14:18.32 | JademusSreg | String or text? |
| 14:18.38 | Zolden | text |
| 14:18.54 | JademusSreg | And where is it being displayed? |
| 14:18.57 | JademusSreg | You mean in the editor? |
| 14:19.08 | Zolden | i mean standalone program |
| 14:19.27 | A1win | notepad++ maybe? |
| 14:19.27 | Zolden | since there is no "unfuck" button in the editor |
| 14:19.40 | Zolden | notepad++ can unfuck? |
| 14:19.44 | JademusSreg | I'm missing the part of this discussion that makes sense. |
| 14:20.40 | Zolden | JademusSreg if you press enter to create different strings in a text window of sc2 editor, for example when you create a tooltip, and then save it by pressing ok, and then open again, there won't be strings, there will be </n>'s |
| 14:21.22 | JademusSreg | How is that an issue? |
| 14:21.36 | JademusSreg | Text is like a string, but it supports markup tags. |
| 14:21.51 | JademusSreg | </n> is a newline. |
| 14:29.00 | Zolden | yea, and to edit a text that has </n>'s instead of divided strings you should spend some time to find shit in this formatless string |
| 14:31.52 | JademusSreg | Fun fact, it used to have a checkbox to toggle it. |
| 14:32.03 | JademusSreg | Dunno why they removed it. |
| 14:32.54 | Zolden | i'd love to use usch a checkbox |
| 14:34.02 | JademusSreg | Could try to re-add it by modifying the Editor xml files that define its interface layout. =D |
| 14:34.40 | A1win | maybe store your texts elsewhere and just copy-paste back to editor when you change them |
| 14:34.58 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:35.38 | Zolden | A1win yea, I do, it's a superfluous measure though |
| 14:36.10 | JademusSreg | Zol, can you provide an example? |
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| 14:42.09 | Zolden | http://i.snag.gy/4M5rv.jpg |
| 14:42.46 | A1win | you took the lazy route :P |
| 14:43.16 | A1win | I wrote functions that format my tooltips |
| 14:43.47 | A1win | then I just do this: https://pastee.org/5cbad |
| 14:44.01 | JademusSreg | "pretty good damage" is pretty uninformative. =D |
| 14:44.25 | Zolden | A1win yea, good approach |
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| 14:44.59 | A1win | and result is this: http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a109/SC2%202013-12-03%2016-44-08-78.jpg |
| 14:45.55 | Zolden | JademusSreg I have a belief that natural language is more informative than numbers in the preview cases |
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| 14:46.54 | JademusSreg | Difficult to make strategic decisions without strategically relevant information. =D |
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| 14:47.57 | JademusSreg | Not saying dispose of your informal description, but rather provide more information. |
| 14:47.59 | Zolden | Players see exact numbers after they place a tower |
| 14:48.00 | A1win | actually here's all of it: https://pastee.org/6kuez |
| 14:48.12 | A1win | definitions for the weapon (plus a function that handles launching it) |
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| 14:49.15 | Zolden | A1win yea, I'd prefer your way, but you right, lazy way was choosen |
| 14:49.19 | A1win | ;x |
| 14:49.41 | A1win | this still isn't the most consistent approach, things still scattered a bit |
| 14:49.54 | A1win | but it's manageable |
| 14:49.58 | Renee | http://bbs.islga.org/data/attachment/forum/201312/03/223001y16tlit0qb5nxx15.jpg |
| 14:50.26 | JademusSreg | Hi thar Renee. Got the War3Mod? |
| 14:51.00 | Zolden | Renee has footman mirrored harpee's projectile back to her? |
| 14:51.25 | Renee | yep |
| 14:51.53 | JademusSreg | To which question? =D |
| 14:51.58 | Renee | 2nd |
| 14:52.02 | JademusSreg | Damn. |
| 14:53.00 | Renee | I don't know, judged from what they said on Blizzcon. It seems we will only get 4 Orc hero models in 2.1 |
| 14:53.13 | JademusSreg | Funny how a search for "starcraft 2 patch 2.1" returns hundreds of thousands of results that are all equally useless. |
| 14:53.38 | A1win | :x |
| 14:53.56 | Delphinium | XD |
| 14:55.17 | A1win | I don't suppose there's any way to show view frustrum for a dialog-based minimap D: |
| 14:55.32 | A1win | *frustum |
| 14:55.41 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 14:56.06 | Renee | They also said that these 4 heroes are connected to some secret unannounced feature in patch 2.2 of next year. |
| 14:56.14 | A1win | well, probably with the same workaround I use for my UI aspect ratio detection |
| 14:56.34 | Renee | I'm wondering what the 'feature' could it be. |
| 14:56.55 | JademusSreg | Minimap-related frame types don't support any special elements, A1, sorry. |
| 14:57.10 | Renee | WarCraft in Space maybe? |
| 14:57.25 | A1win | I mean my minimap is created entirely using dialog images |
| 14:57.50 | JademusSreg | A1, that's scary. |
| 14:57.55 | A1win | :P |
| 14:58.10 | JademusSreg | Would be easier to hijack or template it, alphamask the square edges. |
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| 14:59.03 | JademusSreg | Use actors or Ping API to display stuff, easy. |
| 15:01.24 | A1win | what's the benefit D: |
| 15:01.44 | JademusSreg | Don't have to update it from the halaxy vm. |
| 15:01.50 | JademusSreg | *galaxy |
| 15:02.06 | Dustin|Work | Morning |
| 15:02.12 | JademusSreg | Hallo Dustin. |
| 15:02.17 | A1win | would still have to update the ping positions though? |
| 15:02.35 | Delphinium | \Dustin/ |
| 15:02.40 | JademusSreg | A1, you know unit actors can apply icons and such to the minimap, yeah? |
| 15:02.49 | A1win | mmh right |
| 15:03.00 | A1win | can I control their color? |
| 15:03.06 | JademusSreg | Probably. |
| 15:03.32 | A1win | oh well, maybe something to do later on if I don't have anything better to do |
| 15:03.35 | Renee | Find a workaround to use validator to check if target unit has certain type of buffs. |
| 15:03.54 | kingTD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72Z9rewAx9o |
| 15:04.01 | Renee | *Found |
| 15:05.13 | A1win | Zolden, what's that weird orange ]]]> symbol in your tooltip btw? |
| 15:06.01 | Renee | 1.Add add TechAlias to the buffs you wanted to classify. 2. Create a requirement that count buff TechAlias on unit. 3 Create a Player Requirement typed validator and link it to your requirement. |
| 15:06.15 | JademusSreg | Weee https://pastee.org/29dzs |
| 15:06.38 | A1win | Zolden, if you put position="absolutemiddle" in your image tags, it positions itself vertically at center of row... could make those orange arrows smaller than the unit icons (if that's desirable) |
| 15:06.42 | Renee | I used this method to check if target has dispelable buff/debuffs |
| 15:07.16 | JademusSreg | A1, if you wanna know what you can do with the minimap icons from your code, Ctrl F Minimap |
| 15:07.29 | JademusSreg | (in the paste, in case it wasn't clear). |
| 15:08.16 | A1win | those are also listed in the GUI |
| 15:08.28 | JademusSreg | Yeah, just faster for me this way. |
| 15:12.35 | Renee | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/11425593 'The PTR will become accessible soon after BlizzCon', said 10/30/2013. |
| 15:12.50 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 15:12.56 | JademusSreg | "soon" |
| 15:12.59 | Dustin|Work | Soon enough isn't soon enough! |
| 15:14.34 | Zolden | A1win thanks, could you please tell me all image tags |
| 15:14.38 | Zolden | pretty useful |
| 15:14.49 | Zolden | and that icon is a cursor |
| 15:15.00 | Zolden | for moving game camera |
| 15:15.07 | A1win | well one is color="FFFFFF" |
| 15:15.41 | A1win | path, color, width, height, alignment (dunno what other values alignment accepts) |
| 15:15.54 | A1win | that's all I can think of ;p |
| 15:15.57 | Zolden | ty |
| 15:19.00 | kingTD | soonish..er BlizzTM |
| 15:19.51 | kingTD | Zol when update next? with fixes shit? |
| 15:20.04 | Dustin|Work | Woot, new phone will be here today |
| 15:20.26 | Bommes | there will be a PTR before the actual patch? |
| 15:20.38 | Bommes | hm |
| 15:21.43 | Dustin|Work | Yes bommes |
| 15:21.54 | Dustin|Work | They always do PTR for big patches |
| 15:23.42 | Renee | There are many new features related to the Battl.net. And the arcade-free things. Testing is surely needed. Or the player achiements/ranks may be amess. |
| 15:28.20 | JademusSreg | Text and style dump: https://pastee.org/twdkv |
| 15:29.08 | Zolden | kingTD soon |
| 15:29.10 | Dustin|Work | Text glow huh |
| 15:29.13 | Dustin|Work | Interesting |
| 15:29.16 | JademusSreg | Dunno if it's of much use, but might be. |
| 15:29.38 | JademusSreg | More interesting is the reference to font textures. |
| 15:29.40 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 15:33.05 | Zolden | A1win how in notepad++ replace </n> with new line symbol? |
| 15:34.10 | Dustin|Work | \r\n |
| 15:34.27 | Dustin|Work | Just replace all </n> with \r\n |
| 15:34.40 | Dustin|Work | \n will work as well |
| 15:34.55 | A1win | there's search mode at bottom left of replace popup |
| 15:35.18 | A1win | *replace |
| 15:35.27 | A1win | ctrl+h opens the search and replace window |
| 15:35.29 | Dustin|Work | Or Edit - Find/Replace I think |
| 15:35.32 | Zolden | Dustin|Work http://i.snag.gy/VVeUm.jpg |
| 15:35.35 | Dustin|Work | ya Ctrl+h |
| 15:35.48 | Dustin|Work | Zolden |
| 15:35.51 | A1win | Zolden, *facepalm* |
| 15:35.55 | Dustin|Work | Your tag is <n/> not </n |
| 15:36.10 | Zolden | ;/ |
| 15:36.12 | Dustin|Work | hehe |
| 15:36.21 | halides | quite |
| 15:36.23 | A1win | (I just made the same mistake when testing) |
| 15:36.57 | Zolden | nice, worked |
| 15:37.28 | Dustin|Work | It's ok, I spent like an hour debugging some code to find it was an improperly tagged <br> in the html |
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| 15:39.55 | JademusSreg | Regex that shit. =D |
| 15:40.27 | Dustin|Work | Technically he did a very minimal regex :D |
| 15:40.51 | Dustin|Work | s/<n/>/\n |
| 15:40.54 | Dustin|Work | The horror |
| 15:41.55 | JademusSreg | Haha, looks like a poorly attacked pig fort in angry birds. |
| 15:42.11 | Dustin|Work | lol that it does. |
| 15:46.30 | JademusSreg | Perhaps they'll complete the editor and in-game WYSIWYG UI editors. |
| 15:47.57 | Dustin|Work | We could shit in one hand and fill the other with SC2 Editor Finished Features, guess which one would fill up first. |
| 15:49.15 | JademusSreg | Rather like the old theosophical question, "How many angels can dance within a single terrain cell?" |
| 15:49.29 | JademusSreg | (4096^2) |
| 15:49.46 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 15:50.12 | JademusSreg | That a reference to a pop quiz I sprang a few nights ago. |
| 15:50.16 | JademusSreg | *That's |
| 15:50.59 | JademusSreg | "What is the highest possible number of discrete points that may occupy a single terrain cell?" |
| 15:51.24 | JademusSreg | (2 dimensional area, specifically) |
| 15:51.56 | Dustin|Work | That's a lot of points in a single cell |
| 15:52.22 | JademusSreg | Yup. Which explains the HUGE values in a map's terrain xml data. |
| 15:53.24 | Dustin|Work | I guess it makes sense as the terain deformed probably uses all that data |
| 15:53.34 | Dustin|Work | deformer* |
| 15:54.31 | JademusSreg | The smallest fractional value supported by fixed type is 1/4096; if you make 2 points separated by that tiny value and view them in the debugger, you'll see the values fo'sho. |
| 15:56.09 | Dustin|Work | Interesting |
| 15:56.29 | JademusSreg | Interestingly the smallest supported unit radius value is not nearly so small, but it makes sense since the smaller the supported radius values, the more solid a unit mass becomes; fill in all the space and pathfinding would become impossible. |
| 15:57.32 | Dustin|Work | Ya that would be a pathfinding nightmare trying to calculate at that scale |
| 15:57.55 | JademusSreg | It would be SC1 all over again. =D |
| 15:58.27 | JademusSreg | No, I jest. But Dawn of War 1 had pathfinding that really was that bad. |
| 15:58.58 | Dustin|Work | Hehe I was reading about their payhfinding woes in SC2 and how switching to an irregular tile isometric setup completely fucked everything up and they had to hack the shit out of pathing with so many special cases and shit |
| 15:59.04 | Dustin|Work | erm in SC1 |
| 15:59.21 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I read that article. =D |
| 15:59.47 | Dustin|Work | I wish I had all my old SC1 maps still |
| 15:59.52 | Dustin|Work | I only have the latest one I made |
| 16:00.06 | A1win | my SC1 maps were meh |
| 16:00.15 | A1win | mostly some indoor maps |
| 16:00.19 | A1win | not very many either |
| 16:00.43 | Dustin|Work | I made a TBS RPG system in sc1 |
| 16:00.48 | Dustin|Work | That was fucking intense |
| 16:01.10 | Dustin|Work | But it was a nice 1v1 pokemon style battle with equipable items and armors and spells |
| 16:01.24 | A1win | I just realized one day that I started mapping for games before I even had a computer; created custom scenarios to HeroQuest board game since 1993 or so |
| 16:01.33 | A1win | *for |
| 16:01.36 | Dustin|Work | hehe hell ya |
| 16:01.57 | Dustin|Work | My friends and I would make our own games out of multiple board games, like Risk + DnD |
| 16:02.28 | JademusSreg | First SC1 map I made, Sreg's Demiplane, 4 players against me controlling Master Sreg dark archon and the two Hands of Sreg. |
| 16:02.28 | A1win | also made games using a carpat with a tile pattern |
| 16:02.39 | A1win | the tiles were like 40cm x 40cm |
| 16:02.51 | A1win | made arrows from paper and put them on the tiles |
| 16:02.55 | JademusSreg | Second map resembled a money map, only all the resources were hallucinations. |
| 16:03.15 | Dustin|Work | I remember when I figured out how to spawn units like in Bunker Wars, my mind was blown forever |
| 16:03.22 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 16:03.31 | A1win | :x |
| 16:03.49 | JademusSreg | Had a similar feeling when controlling SC1 gates. |
| 16:04.07 | Dustin|Work | Haha yess |
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| 16:04.47 | A1win | I think I actually used programming languages before doing any scripting for games |
| 16:04.55 | Dustin|Work | I had one map that was like Elements RPG but I voice acted the intro in my 11 year old squeeky voice, was so bad |
| 16:05.01 | JademusSreg | Later, made a mod for a protoss-zerg hybrid, tedious frame-by-frame splicing of high templar and defiler sprites, and a similar combination of abilities. |
| 16:05.04 | A1win | made some text adventures and stuff with quick basic |
| 16:05.20 | A1win | and a moving @ character with no idea how to code collision detection |
| 16:05.21 | Zolden | for me replacing an infantry unit with a devastator in dune 2 was ther first event that showed me the power of mapmaking |
| 16:05.51 | JademusSreg | Ah, Zol, I did something similar, except I put a SC1 terran marine into Red Alert 2. |
| 16:05.54 | A1win | or actually it wasn't @ character, it was that smily face character in ascii |
| 16:06.23 | Zolden | JademusSreg good transition |
| 16:06.28 | A1win | hehe |
| 16:06.41 | JademusSreg | That was much easier than making the hybrid. |
| 16:06.51 | Dustin|Work | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/843426/Starcraft%20Maps/TurnDefense2-x5.5newer.scx |
| 16:07.00 | Dustin|Work | The only sc1 map I have left :D |
| 16:07.08 | Dustin|Work | It was pretty fun. but its hard |
| 16:07.49 | A1win | I spent most of my youth mapping for Half-Life, that was more fun than SC1/WC3 stuff ;p |
| 16:08.05 | Dustin|Work | I did some CS mapping |
| 16:08.10 | A1win | even though the "scripting" was insanely painful |
| 16:08.16 | A1win | valve's entity system is hilarious ;p |
| 16:08.20 | Zolden | A1win that's why you don't like TD, you prefer action over strategy |
| 16:08.21 | Dustin|Work | Ya It is |
| 16:08.38 | Dustin|Work | I had a CS map that used the func_random and it would have different areas open each round |
| 16:08.52 | Dustin|Work | Havent seen any CS maps do that since |
| 16:09.09 | A1win | Zolden, there's no strategy in TDs :P you just figure out the most optimal approach for each wave and do it |
| 16:09.17 | A1win | (unless there's randomization or whatever) |
| 16:09.38 | A1win | I mostly mapped for Sven Co-op HL mod |
| 16:09.45 | A1win | that mod's still actively developed btw :P |
| 16:09.55 | Dustin|Work | lol thats awesome |
| 16:10.02 | A1win | though it went to hell when their programmer started implementing stuff on his own |
| 16:10.04 | Dustin|Work | That was the mod that let you play HL campaign with friends right |
| 16:10.07 | A1win | remade lots of systems |
| 16:10.28 | A1win | Dustin|Work, well among other things |
| 16:10.39 | A1win | it has a huge custom mapping community |
| 16:10.40 | A1win | or well, had |
| 16:10.46 | A1win | not so huge anymore ;p |
| 16:11.00 | Dustin|Work | ahhh |
| 16:11.27 | A1win | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTRuE-Fs4-E |
| 16:11.36 | A1win | made that map |
| 16:11.47 | A1win | or it's a series of 6 maps |
| 16:11.50 | A1win | that takes like 3 hours to complete |
| 16:12.12 | Dustin|Work | thats badass |
| 16:12.15 | A1win | ...maybe better find an english video |
| 16:12.42 | A1win | or whatever |
| 16:12.43 | Dustin|Work | Ugh I wish I was anal about backing stuff up as a kid |
| 16:12.53 | Dustin|Work | I can see my old CS maps in my mind |
| 16:12.59 | A1win | :x |
| 16:13.17 | Dustin|Work | This was like cs 1.5 though |
| 16:13.22 | Dustin|Work | Old school |
| 16:13.43 | A1win | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiGVURuq2uI this map is mine too, randomly generated maze (well, just some wall parts are random) |
| 16:13.54 | A1win | and it has an awesome end boss :P |
| 16:14.10 | Dustin|Work | Hell ya random shit :D |
| 16:14.52 | A1win | oh they actually get to the end boss at around 13 mins to that video |
| 16:15.59 | A1win | that's a rather new map though |
| 16:16.06 | A1win | or the end boss, that is |
| 16:16.11 | A1win | from 2010 I think |
| 16:16.22 | A1win | 2008 actually |
| 16:16.49 | A1win | it's a boss fight that has several phases |
| 16:16.54 | A1win | some wow influence :P |
| 16:17.45 | A1win | anyway, most of my stuff for Half-Life is also unfinished :x |
| 16:17.57 | A1win | surprisingly |
| 16:19.37 | A1win | some HL2 stuff too, base architecture for this map (texturing and some later modifications to it are done by other people, though): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNeoXHe8rME |
| 16:21.43 | Dustin|Work | hl boss fight? |
| 16:21.45 | Dustin|Work | Fucking awesome |
| 16:22.17 | A1win | boss is a pyramid ;D |
| 16:22.27 | A1win | that has all seeing eye on top |
| 16:22.31 | A1win | and it shoots you with lasers |
| 16:22.36 | JademusSreg | The divine space fetus of Xen. |
| 16:22.45 | JademusSreg | Also, meat world. |
| 16:24.22 | A1win | I should probably make a portfolio of all the stuff I've done |
| 16:24.37 | A1win | there's quite a bit D: |
| 16:24.39 | JademusSreg | *completed |
| 16:24.47 | A1win | yeah ;p |
| 16:26.57 | JademusSreg | In Civilizations II, made a Zerg mod, made a ChronoTrigger post-apocalyptic future mod. Back when .ini files and bitmaps were sooo technical like woooah. |
| 16:27.10 | A1win | hehe |
| 16:27.26 | Bommes | Hmm, Totalbiscuit uploaded a Starbound Beta video |
| 16:27.35 | kingTD | G0A one run? |
| 16:27.44 | Dustin|Work | OH John Bain |
| 16:27.50 | JademusSreg | Bom, is it worth watching? |
| 16:27.55 | Bommes | what makes the game different to Terraria? It looks like pretty much a space Terraria for me... |
| 16:28.03 | JademusSreg | I'll be playing it tomorrow, sooo |
| 16:28.04 | Bommes | dunno, probably not |
| 16:28.09 | Dustin|Work | It's Space terraria with awesomeness |
| 16:28.14 | Dustin|Work | Me too, Jade I preordered |
| 16:28.22 | JademusSreg | It's everything Terraria could have and yet failed to be. |
| 16:28.23 | Bommes | it's just a silly let's play series pretty much without much gameplay depth |
| 16:28.47 | Dustin|Work | I still can't beleive TB got famous and I stoped podcasting |
| 16:28.51 | Dustin|Work | Should have kept it up |
| 16:28.59 | Bommes | in terms of game progression and how the gameplay develops? In terms of exploring different kinds of planets etc |
| 16:29.00 | G0A | okey kingTD |
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| 16:29.16 | Raziel | Dustin|Work, we need more TB anyway, so you can start again! |
| 16:29.30 | JademusSreg | I remember when TB played Photon Cycles on the stream, and expressed dismay at the lack of keyboard steering. |
| 16:29.34 | Raziel | Although I'm mostly refering to youtube videos more than podcasts |
| 16:29.49 | Dustin|Work | Well I worked with TB for a couple years at WoW Radio |
| 16:29.53 | Bommes | because I don't know much about that part of Terraria to be honest, but the beginning of Starbound (I've really only seen like 15 minutes of gameplay) looks incredibly similar to Terraria even in terms of what resources are gathered etc |
| 16:30.09 | Dustin|Work | Top downloads were for his show and my show with my 2 friends |
| 16:30.26 | Raziel | You have friends? |
| 16:30.28 | Raziel | Daaaaaaaayum |
| 16:30.33 | Dustin|Work | Ya only 2 |
| 16:30.35 | Dustin|Work | :P |
| 16:30.47 | Raziel | Still good |
| 16:30.57 | JademusSreg | So that was my first and only experience with TB. Not my best work, certainly, but disliking the use of mouse because its just not key input? Silly. =D |
| 16:31.06 | Dustin|Work | That sums up TB |
| 16:31.11 | Dustin|Work | Irrationaly angry |
| 16:31.24 | Dustin|Work | We had some interesting staff meetings |
| 16:31.29 | Raziel | I dunno, his angry is usually rational enough |
| 16:31.35 | Raziel | and he can argument most of it decently |
| 16:31.36 | A1win | his comments about Darude's performance on dreamhack were funny |
| 16:31.42 | A1win | in a bad sense |
| 16:32.02 | Dustin|Work | Raziel, ya he was always a very passionate debator |
| 16:32.03 | Bommes | he has very opinionated videos, but if you watch the content regularly he points that out to his viewers all the time and no one should expect to get actual review quality analysis of gameplay out of his videos |
| 16:32.16 | JademusSreg | Bom, it's okay, you're uninformed. If you read the info on their site, I expect you'd at least know why others are enthused. |
| 16:32.20 | Dustin|Work | He's a Video Game Critic |
| 16:32.25 | Dustin|Work | Not a reviewer |
| 16:32.28 | Dustin|Work | In my mind anyway |
| 16:32.33 | JademusSreg | Fair point. |
| 16:33.23 | Raziel | He clearly states he's not trying to be objective most of the time as well, and also states when a game is objectively good at what it does even if he doesn't like it |
| 16:33.29 | Raziel | At least most of the time... |
| 16:33.37 | Bommes | I like to watch his content to keep up with games that are coming out or have been out for a while that are not on my radar :) He has a good voice for what he does and focusses on the right aspects of gameplay, even if he often times tends to keep complaining about very minor subjective details |
| 16:34.08 | Raziel | inb4 fov slider |
| 16:34.30 | Bommes | also he supports the sc2 esports scene a lot and I like that ;) |
| 16:34.49 | Dustin|Work | Ya we started SC2 Esports casting when we switched to OMFG |
| 16:35.00 | Dustin|Work | That was an awesome time |
| 16:35.08 | Dustin|Work | We would have live tournaments and casting each week |
| 16:36.32 | A1win | can already imagine people going "...has a weird name, but otherwise..." about my map once it's released D: |
| 16:36.42 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 16:36.46 | Dustin|Work | Decide on a name yet? |
| 16:36.50 | A1win | nope :P |
| 16:36.54 | Dustin|Work | Didnt figure lol |
| 16:37.05 | JademusSreg | I just don't even |
| 16:37.25 | kingTD | Zolden ETA to MM update? |
| 16:37.41 | Dustin|Work | kingTD, I think you play too much MM |
| 16:37.49 | Dustin|Work | We're going to need to you step away from the keyboard |
| 16:37.51 | kingTD | are u sure? :( |
| 16:38.06 | kingTD | what lets u think that way? |
| 16:38.12 | JademusSreg | M&Ms? |
| 16:38.23 | Dustin|Work | The fact that all I ever see you say now is "ZOLDEN FIX BLAHBLAH BLAH MM" |
| 16:38.23 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 16:38.29 | G0A | Dustin|Work sadly he isnt the only one |
| 16:38.31 | kingTD | :] |
| 16:38.45 | Dustin|Work | Hehe I admit I usually play a round if I get on sc2 |
| 16:38.56 | Dustin|Work | I hate the Squadron TD econ |
| 16:39.02 | Dustin|Work | And I like the MM one |
| 16:39.27 | G0A | hmm maybe I should make a similar eco for NSS |
| 16:40.24 | Dustin|Work | The exploration and randomness are what make it fun |
| 16:40.42 | kingTD | and quite different gameplay every time |
| 16:40.53 | kingTD | cause of the resources u get around u |
| 16:41.03 | kingTD | have to addapt |
| 16:42.20 | kingTD | and to deal with those imba shit |
| 16:44.03 | G0A | yeah you cant really have 1 solid build like in the Squadron TD |
| 16:45.30 | Ahli | you need to react and adapt... |
| 16:46.16 | Ahli | empty loading bar :X |
| 16:46.26 | kingTD | y |
| 16:46.41 | kingTD | and the smell from the kitchen killing me :( |
| 16:46.58 | JademusSreg | I don't know to what all these acronyms refer. =D |
| 16:47.12 | Dustin|Work | MM = zoldens map Mines and Magic |
| 16:47.14 | kingTD | so who drooped |
| 16:47.23 | kingTD | MM = MatchMaking |
| 16:47.25 | Dustin|Work | NSS = Nexus Squadron Strike |
| 16:47.28 | Ahli | TD = twodie or tower defense |
| 16:47.33 | kingTD | :D |
| 16:47.57 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 16:49.27 | JademusSreg | Zol, need to work on making, er, all the icons more visually readable. Readable the way MtG mana source icons are readable. |
| 16:51.59 | Stewox | hello |
| 16:52.20 | Stewox | jademussreg you seem to be the guy who knows limits of sc2 |
| 16:52.44 | Stewox | is it possible to place textures on map terrain , custom, like the turnamets have their logos for example ? |
| 16:53.05 | Stewox | but I don't know via what method they do that |
| 16:53.33 | JademusSreg | Splats. |
| 16:54.38 | JademusSreg | aka Decals, since decal doodads are the most recognized example. |
| 16:55.06 | Stewox | allright |
| 16:55.23 | Zolden | kingTD are you on a diet? |
| 16:55.41 | Zolden | JademusSreg waht do you mean? |
| 16:55.45 | kingTD | Zolden why u think im? |
| 16:55.46 | Zolden | waht icons? |
| 16:56.05 | Zolden | kingTD because smell from kitchen killing you |
| 16:56.14 | Zolden | usually it happens with hungry fatties |
| 16:56.49 | kingTD | the Cook is shit so it smells like crap |
| 16:58.00 | Zolden | use pig instead, pig can't be coocked bad |
| 16:58.29 | kingTD | lies |
| 16:59.40 | Zolden | and mnm upgrade will happen in 5-30 minutes |
| 17:01.25 | JademusSreg | Visual reading, interpreting codified graphical elements to read state quickly and accurately, allowing one to have less text littering the interface. |
| 17:02.21 | JademusSreg | Emphasis on the first part. |
| 17:02.44 | JademusSreg | Many of the icons are less than ideal in their readability. |
| 17:03.19 | Zolden | i have many talents, but icon creating isn't the best of them |
| 17:03.22 | JademusSreg | Or rather, I can look at them for longer than a glance and see fuzzy color lumps. |
| 17:03.26 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 17:03.32 | Zolden | so i have just take wow icons |
| 17:04.10 | Zolden | do you mean icons of resources? |
| 17:06.29 | JademusSreg | Er, all. |
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| 17:08.46 | Zolden | aall icons? including unit ones? and what would you like to do to them? like changing colors? |
| 17:09.01 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 17:09.39 | JademusSreg | Where icons are used to communicate, rather than only decorate, they should be readable. |
| 17:10.21 | Zolden | is howing unit icon in command card - communication? |
| 17:10.30 | Zolden | *showing |
| 17:10.59 | Zolden | or showing res in tooltip cost |
| 17:13.11 | JademusSreg | Here's a simple enough example of what MtG does and the qualities that make it readable. http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=23148 |
| 17:15.37 | JademusSreg | Without even knowing much about the game, one sees a 1, a fireball and a tree. =D |
| 17:16.23 | JademusSreg | And once one learns the meaning of the icon, the already recognizable images become readable. |
| 17:16.38 | JademusSreg | Readable at a glance. |
| 17:17.58 | Stewox | Why does XIL texture set one of the textures doesn't work, even when i replaced it ? |
| 17:17.59 | JademusSreg | So if you were to reduce the forms and palettes of your icons to elegant simplicity, it would help with readability. |
| 17:19.54 | Stewox | can someone test please for me to confirm if 5th texture works or not for xil terrain type |
| 17:20.06 | Stewox | it doesn't want to paint on the ground |
| 17:20.27 | Zolden | JademusSreg honestly, I don't see how those mtg icons be better for "first glance of player familiar with their meaning" understanding over the other icons |
| 17:21.22 | A1win | mmh that's not what he said |
| 17:22.20 | A1win | *after* you learn what the fireball and the tree means, you'll understand what they are for on the card |
| 17:22.56 | A1win | (missed most of the conversation) |
| 17:23.51 | Zolden | after one learns meaning of icons, he can undestand the messages those icons used in |
| 17:24.07 | Zolden | it works for all icons if the different meanings associated with different cons |
| 17:24.33 | A1win | < JademusSreg> Or rather, I can look at them for longer than a glance and see fuzzy color lumps. |
| 17:24.42 | A1win | they should be easily recognizable from each other |
| 17:24.57 | A1win | "this looks like a blob of green mixed with red, now where have I seen this before..." |
| 17:25.12 | Zolden | i can agree with the statement that some icons may translate their meaning better, but I first want to understand what qualities of the icons decide how good is it, and then to see that my icons are bad from the point of view of that criteria |
| 17:25.46 | A1win | can you show the icons again? |
| 17:27.33 | Zolden | http://i.snag.gy/3mOjk.jpg |
| 17:27.46 | Zolden | res icons, soe units icons, res icons in a tooltip |
| 17:28.19 | Zolden | i've made a focus group research, wehre kingTD was the focus group, and he interpreted correcly about 50% of the icons |
| 17:28.47 | Zolden | which is good for a first glance of a new person |
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| 17:29.38 | A1win | I guess it's that it's not easy to associate the icons with anything since they don't really resemble anything (unless you've played WoW) |
| 17:30.43 | A1win | "yellow... thing" "ham" "grey thing" "pink pebble" "supply depot (though that one's impossible if you haven't played SC2), "dark grey thing" ", blue and purple thing" "another grey thing" |
| 17:30.51 | Zolden | some icons of unit-towers http://i.snag.gy/e4KCI.jpg |
| 17:31.38 | Zolden | resource icons have tooltips on mousehower |
| 17:31.57 | A1win | only a small fraction of players will ever see those |
| 17:32.17 | kingTD | Zolden wtf with taht robotron? :D such shit :DDD |
| 17:32.19 | Zolden | also, resource icons look exactly like the resources in game |
| 17:33.03 | kingTD | 40 dmg 0.33 speed? |
| 17:33.09 | Zolden | kingTD robotron was VERY op, especially the upped one, but I nerfed it, and I think it's still op |
| 17:33.14 | kingTD | snow queen 500 times better |
| 17:33.34 | kingTD | its like investing into shit |
| 17:33.35 | Zolden | kingTD ok, let's test, update will happen in 10 minutes |
| 17:33.39 | kingTD | that is shittier than shit |
| 17:33.55 | kingTD | no matter what u will do to Snow queen it will be still better |
| 17:34.20 | kingTD | Reaper is shit too |
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| 17:34.32 | kingTD | 10 dmg 20 attacks.... |
| 17:34.34 | kingTD | wtf |
| 17:34.45 | kingTD | i will do 0 dmg to quartz monster |
| 17:34.48 | Zolden | A1win look, the resource node of crystals and its icon above it http://i.snag.gy/kBY4o.jpg |
| 17:35.00 | Zolden | i think they can be easily associated |
| 17:35.07 | A1win | yeah possibly |
| 17:36.04 | Zolden | the only problem is the pink rabbit |
| 17:37.14 | Zolden | kingTD we will see. And reaper maybe suck, but it rapes units. I'll test him more, hadn't have a chance to decide if he good enough |
| 17:38.15 | Zolden | kingTD btw, robotron has 0.5 armor reduction to be effective vs armored trash |
| 17:38.50 | kingTD | he better had no reduction to armor |
| 17:38.57 | kingTD | then mb he would be decent |
| 17:39.38 | kingTD | plus u investing everything to pretty much nothing |
| 17:39.49 | Zolden | the guy with 3 upped robotrons removed quarts monsters like if they were teddy bears |
| 17:42.20 | kingTD | who the fuck was that? :O |
| 17:42.29 | kingTD | soo much ress needed for those fucker |
| 17:42.30 | kingTD | s |
| 17:49.01 | Dustin|Work | back from lunch |
| 17:49.10 | kingTD | what u ate? |
| 17:50.00 | Dustin|Work | cheedburger from wendys |
| 17:50.06 | Dustin|Work | cheeseburger even |
| 17:52.32 | Zolden | and I ate fish from kingTD's country |
| 17:52.48 | Zolden | shproty |
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| 18:00.58 | kingTD | Zolden when Snow Queen Upped cast the thing with the splat (sliding shit) the splat doesnt appear... sometimes appears in wrong location |
| 18:01.01 | kingTD | other shit |
| 18:05.22 | Stewox | oh, dustin bragging about eating toxic food, how lovely |
| 18:05.43 | Stewox | anyways, where do i find those decals for terrain splats |
| 18:05.47 | Stewox | in data |
| 18:10.08 | Dustin|Work | Man I can't wait for work to be over today |
| 18:10.32 | Dustin|Work | Got my new phone waiting for me at home, working from home tomorrow when starbound beta goes live |
| 18:12.26 | Zolden | kingTD i don't know how to fix it |
| 18:13.00 | Zolden | what's starbound? |
| 18:13.16 | kingTD | Zolden will u fix the resources spawning on cliff edge? |
| 18:15.43 | Dustin|Work | Starbound is Terraria in Space x1000 |
| 18:15.55 | Dustin|Work | http://playstarbound.com/ |
| 18:16.59 | Zolden | http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/snova_17/42505524/1347770/1347770_original.gif |
| 18:17.14 | Zolden | kingTD oh, thanks for reminding |
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| 18:19.14 | Zolden | not sure if I just fixed it or reduced its probability |
| 18:20.56 | Stewox | jademussreg okay how do I use DDS for splats ? |
| 18:21.01 | Stewox | they seem to all use m3 |
| 18:21.15 | Stewox | and even the ones that have texture declarations use m3 |
| 18:21.28 | Stewox | can i simply declare textures without model ? |
| 18:24.15 | kingTD | wow that was intence |
| 18:24.57 | kingTD | had to kill for whole team units |
| 18:25.13 | kingTD | mass snow queens helped in that matter |
| 18:25.34 | kingTD | in last round with thors managed to survive long enough for enemy to die |
| 18:26.40 | Stewox | hmmmm http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/december2013/031213search.png |
| 18:26.51 | Zolden | gj |
| 18:26.59 | Zolden | ok, i'll nerf queens more |
| 18:27.07 | Ahli | zolden, will you fix resource spawning to the right boundary of the map? :D |
| 18:27.26 | kingTD | Zolden nerf spalsh sliding stun to last 1 or less sec |
| 18:28.47 | kingTD | plus the Arc that cast buffs debuffs reverse them. First to cast debuffs, and Upped buffs |
| 18:29.30 | kingTD | http://pasteboard.co/1Jjl0Ukz.png |
| 18:30.17 | kingTD | 660 kills me ahli ~550 goa ~400 other fucker ~200 |
| 18:31.10 | kingTD | sadly was spending food for gold sends.. could just waited for Angels |
| 18:31.27 | kingTD | had like 6-10 snow queens |
| 18:31.42 | Ahli | I had nothing hard hitting |
| 18:32.05 | Zolden | Ahli I moved the boundary without moving the resource spawn boundary, this should fix it |
| 18:32.34 | kingTD | shitty fix |
| 18:32.35 | Zolden | kingTD I nerfed it -> -10% time |
| 18:32.43 | kingTD | make proper footprints |
| 18:33.06 | Zolden | kingTD it's not even fix, it shuold have been this way, i jsut miscalculated borders |
| 18:33.36 | kingTD | u wont fix the Res or ResRocks spawning near cliff edge |
| 18:34.16 | Zolden | kingTD I maybe fixed it too in another fix i made 20 minutes ago |
| 18:35.08 | kingTD | if it was footprint related then it may otherwise doubt it |
| 18:39.01 | A1win | ugh weird confusing feeling, not sure if it's because I haven't eaten enough today, because I drank a can of Monster, because I just watched a confusing episode of HIMYM, or all of those :X |
| 18:44.53 | Zolden | kingTD uploaded |
| 18:45.27 | kingTD | tooooooo late |
| 18:45.33 | kingTD | already playing with newbies |
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| 18:53.09 | Dustin|Work | :(){ :|:& };: |
| 18:53.09 | kingTD | Zolden make proper buffs apply timers |
| 18:53.41 | kingTD | as now there are windows where buff is gone and then reapplied and units like ranged buff moves closer to target |
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| 19:04.55 | A1win | any single word alternatives for Damage Done and Damage Taken? |
| 19:05.26 | A1win | (or shorter otherwise) |
| 19:05.37 | A1win | Damage Out and Damage In maybe |
| 19:08.36 | Dustin|Work | Damage in and out sounds good |
| 19:09.03 | Dustin|Work | But Damage done and Damage Taken seem a bit more human readable |
| 19:10.00 | A1win | mm could just use line break I guess |
| 19:10.13 | A1win | those are for score board titles |
| 19:11.26 | A1win | procrastinate making scoreboard for a few days, finally get started, find myself implementing sort-by-column functions half an hour later |
| 19:11.58 | A1win | since I have to sort it anyway, why not allow sorting by any of the columns :P |
| 19:28.17 | Dustin|Work | Hehe good looking out A1win |
| 19:30.55 | Zolden | kingTD had no crystals to get snow queen ;/ |
| 19:31.07 | kingTD | cool story bro |
| 19:31.37 | Zolden | not so cool since no snow queens |
| 19:32.06 | Zolden | warm oiled smoky metal instead |
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| 19:33.11 | Zolden | had an idea to create more cutscenes for starting screen with some units in their environments, like snow queens in a forest under snowfall, angels in heavens, ogres in a cave |
| 19:33.26 | Zolden | and pick them randomly |
| 19:34.10 | DeadZergling | should show crack elves, marines, marauders, berserkers, and battle tanks all getting ass raped too Zolden |
| 19:34.18 | DeadZergling | to accurately depict what happens in your game |
| 19:34.42 | Zolden | battle tanks are still raping |
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| 19:47.43 | Kueken1 | DeadZergling: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvv5f263bmgent6/BuildingShake.SC2Map |
| 19:47.55 | Kueken1 | its completely ugly, but it shakes :D |
| 19:48.06 | DeadZergling | cool, will check it out when I get home |
| 19:48.11 | DeadZergling | what did you end up doing? |
| 19:48.15 | Kueken | not sure if thats the way you need |
| 19:48.46 | Kueken | I attached it to a secondary model and changed the scale of that periodically |
| 19:49.12 | Kueken | tried various other things, which I couldn't get to work all that well |
| 19:49.42 | Kueken | I put all the stuff in one event macro, in theory you can add that macro to any building and it will start shaking |
| 19:49.47 | DeadZergling | ah cool, didn't mean to put you out like that, figured for you it'd be like a 10 minute ordeal |
| 19:49.56 | Kueken | :p |
| 19:50.02 | A1win | should I count damage the player does to himself to "damage done" in score screen? D: |
| 19:50.16 | A1win | or just to enemy ships |
| 19:51.34 | Dustin|Work | Just enemy ships |
| 19:51.58 | Dustin|Work | Maybe you can have stats later that track damage done to self |
| 19:52.40 | A1win | mm well stats are easy to add now that I have the system in place |
| 19:57.28 | DeadZergling | that's interesting anyways, I assume the scale is un-inherited then Kueken? |
| 19:58.02 | Kueken | I guess, didn't check |
| 20:01.31 | DeadZergling | out of curiosity, what else did you try? |
| 20:02.23 | Kueken | Jade suggested mover sites, couldn't get those to work |
| 20:02.33 | DeadZergling | the rocker ones? |
| 20:02.49 | Kueken | rocker I tried as well, that didn't work out so well :D |
| 20:03.02 | DeadZergling | oh what ended up happening? |
| 20:03.07 | Kueken | I could make the buildings sumersault, but just a little shaking didn't work too well |
| 20:04.16 | Kueken | anyway, the current solution is not perfect, you will need to tweak it a little |
| 20:04.26 | DeadZergling | aye, I'll check it out later |
| 20:04.49 | DeadZergling | got at least 3 plans in mind that a shaking building would be helpful for |
| 20:04.52 | DeadZergling | possibly more |
| 20:04.56 | Kueken | and so far its permanent, once you add the macro the buildings shake permanently, but should be easy enough to add an off-switch :D |
| 20:05.22 | DeadZergling | aye, I'll probably be lazy and just connect it to a behavior |
| 20:08.16 | DeadZergling | which will work just fine really, considering most of what it will be used for is highly scripted events |
| 20:08.38 | DeadZergling | and a damage response apply behavior would be easy if I ever decided to make buildings always shake when hit, lol |
| 20:11.38 | DeadZergling | Thanks again Kueken, sorry again that it took so long, didn't think it would take anywhere near that long |
| 20:12.18 | Kueken | don't worry about it, I played around with it more than I needed to |
| 20:12.34 | Kueken | and don't thank me until you saw it, it doesn't look perfect yet :D |
| 20:12.44 | DeadZergling | know the feeling, I spent a couple nights making an SCV throwing a bottle look just a little cooler |
| 20:14.47 | DeadZergling | the fidget_01, a well timed probe attack spark in the middle, and the scv repair sounds is actually pretty decent for simulating a throw |
| 20:20.59 | DeadZergling | although I do need to re-edit the bottles dds file it is grabbing from a little more, and I should probably texture select by ID the probe attack spark to look just a little better, sigh, it never ends |
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| 20:29.46 | A1win | hmm per-player score stuff working o: just need to add button on score table titles to call the sorting function |
| 20:30.03 | A1win | and then some "awards" like "most deaths by vortex" or highest kill streak etc. |
| 20:30.40 | Dustin|Work | Yesss :D |
| 20:30.45 | Dustin|Work | I love awards |
| 20:31.25 | A1win | ugh still feeling a bit unfocused |
| 20:32.21 | ArcanePariah | I'm assuming you are storing all score stuff in a record to make rearranging the table easy? |
| 20:32.41 | A1win | yeah |
| 20:33.14 | kingTD | Zol http://pasteboard.co/1JrrZgw3.png |
| 20:33.36 | A1win | and I mean, the sorting is already done, just the buttons missing :P |
| 20:33.38 | kingTD | Zolden upgrading shit in later game stages wont give u antyhiung |
| 20:33.48 | A1win | ...which takes like a minute to implement |
| 20:33.58 | A1win | not sure why I didn't just do it instead of saying it's not yet done |
| 20:34.43 | OptimusPrime | A1win, sä olet vähän pähäinen |
| 20:34.43 | OptimusPrime | Mutta nyt lauluni sullekin rakkaalleni |
| 20:35.01 | kingTD | Zolden what resources u spend go get gold? as seems like u sent every resource to die |
| 20:36.09 | kingTD | and didnt had anything for snow qops |
| 20:36.15 | Zolden | i had meat and iron and magic |
| 20:36.21 | kingTD | Queens of Pains |
| 20:36.35 | kingTD | what u send? |
| 20:36.52 | Zolden | and probably i'll up damage add and cost for damage add for the defenders |
| 20:37.00 | Zolden | i've sent alot of everything i could aford |
| 20:37.08 | Zolden | but leaked alot instead |
| 20:42.26 | A1win | damn, just realized that this sorting will now only work while the round hasn't restarted yet :P |
| 20:42.35 | A1win | since it resets scores |
| 20:42.57 | A1win | I guess I'll have to store the display values separately for each player |
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| 20:52.56 | JademusSreg | Brickaback. |
| 20:55.03 | Dustin|Work | You're about as subtle as brick in the small of my back JademusSreg |
| 20:55.28 | JademusSreg | Must be nanoscale. |
| 20:56.17 | Dustin|Work | hehe |
| 20:57.33 | A1win | yay now the sorting works o: |
| 20:57.42 | Dustin|Work | yay :D |
| 20:57.54 | A1win | now to make it remember the display values for each player when round resets >_> |
| 20:58.01 | A1win | shouldn't be that difficult eh... |
| 21:00.03 | JademusSreg | Tedium and boredom are ever more a threat to productivity than difficulty has ever been. |
| 21:00.12 | A1win | ;> |
| 21:00.45 | A1win | actually this should be pretty easy, just copy the values to a player-specific record when a round ends and read them from there o: |
| 21:01.17 | JademusSreg | (And tedium and boredom are immediately below mismanagement, resource scarcity, and disorganization.) |
| 21:03.46 | A1win | err why did I do this separately for each player, it's not like the values differ |
| 21:04.34 | JademusSreg | Oh, Dustin, how nice is it that Starbound content is defined by (and thus modded with) lua and json? Pretty fucking nice. =D |
| 21:04.45 | Dustin|Work | Oh it is? That's fucking awesome |
| 21:04.51 | Dustin|Work | MOd time :D |
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| 21:05.19 | JademusSreg | just now found a forum post outlining starbound modding. http://community.playstarbound.com/index.php?threads/modding-how-to-get-started-modding-starbound.29611/ |
| 21:05.35 | Dustin|Work | oh nice! |
| 21:05.40 | Dustin|Work | Already a modding post |
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| 21:05.52 | Dustin|Work | Well, Im headed home, cya guys in a bit |
| 21:06.04 | JademusSreg | kk |
| 21:09.10 | A1win | wooo it works |
| 21:15.13 | A1win | wooo now it really works |
| 21:16.22 | A1win | hmm should highlight the column label that it's sorted by |
| 21:16.29 | A1win | and add asc/desc toggle :O |
| 21:16.45 | A1win | important details |
| 21:16.55 | A1win | I bet no one even realizes the sorting can be changed |
| 21:16.59 | A1win | or uses it even if they do |
| 21:17.24 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 21:17.38 | JademusSreg | I feel the same way, only about everything. |
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| 21:18.24 | A1win | wellll just need to make it obvious, down/up arrow next to the title |
| 21:18.35 | A1win | triangle that is |
| 21:21.29 | Stewox | hey guys |
| 21:21.46 | JademusSreg | A1, ▼ |
| 21:21.47 | Stewox | want to see the greatest commercial ever ? |
| 21:22.14 | A1win | to show if the sorting is ascending/descending |
| 21:22.17 | Stewox | was going to be on NFL |
| 21:22.18 | JademusSreg | Note: If that char didn't display for you, get a better client. |
| 21:22.37 | A1win | oh |
| 21:22.44 | A1win | it showed a question mark ;p |
| 21:22.54 | Stewox | jeez i literally have like 20 sports programs on my DTV |
| 21:23.05 | Ahli | indeed triangle pointing downwards |
| 21:23.10 | A1win | don't often need UTF-8 chars on IRC :P |
| 21:23.40 | A1win | client should be able to support it, not sure where the fail is when I try to set it up |
| 21:23.51 | A1win | display starts bugging |
| 21:24.16 | JademusSreg | Not supporting UTF-8 these days is bizarre. |
| 21:24.36 | A1win | I'm using putty to connect to a linux shell |
| 21:24.44 | A1win | so there's several layers of possibilities for fail |
| 21:24.50 | JademusSreg | Ahh. |
| 21:25.43 | JademusSreg | (SC2 string type doesn't support displaying such chars literally, but they can be encoded with escapes, iirc.) |
| 21:25.57 | A1win | I've just used Text |
| 21:26.06 | Stewox | well here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2eYDKRVRDw |
| 21:26.08 | A1win | already using those triangles for stuff |
| 21:26.47 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:28.20 | JademusSreg | entertains a notion. |
| 21:30.11 | JademusSreg | Reminds me later to test if one can fuck with the galaxy environment using non-ASCII chars. |
| 21:32.00 | Stewox | anyone watched that yet ? I want to see what you think |
| 21:32.24 | JademusSreg | I know the editor doesn't like em, curious to see how the client handles it. |
| 21:33.57 | [1]Dustin | back |
| 21:34.42 | JademusSreg | Hm. If you were Dustin[1], I'd at least know how best to misinterpret the handle. |
| 21:35.45 | [1]Dustin | lol i think its the default alt nick for this client :P |
| 21:36.32 | Stewox | hey i've got an idea, I've got a special telegram for Mr. Dustin, can you JademusSreg be so kind and send Dustin this message, a link to a video, and say it's a gift letter from Stewox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2eYDKRVRDw |
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| 21:38.04 | JademusSreg | Oh, random dump of font related stuff. https://pastee.org/tx58b |
| 21:38.28 | Dustin|Home | Interesting |
| 21:38.35 | Stewox | ... do you hear the words that are coming out of my mout |
| 21:38.56 | DeadZergling | ignore incoming |
| 21:38.58 | DeadZergling | oh stewox, you going on again, I'm about to not hear the words |
| 21:39.01 | JademusSreg | Stew, dunno what sort of reputation I may have in the community, but I am certain it doesn't involve kindness. |
| 21:39.24 | Dustin|Home | he's talking? |
| 21:39.27 | Dustin|Home | Thats why I ignored him |
| 21:39.46 | Dustin|Home | He goes on and on about make believe shit he saw on youtube |
| 21:39.51 | JademusSreg | Yep, wanted me to act as a mediator, thus my response. |
| 21:39.55 | Dustin|Home | Like noone can post videos on youtube without a phd or something |
| 21:39.59 | DeadZergling | He refuses to listen to reason, and is too ignorant to realize how stupid he sounds |
| 21:40.00 | Dustin|Home | lol well thank you |
| 21:40.29 | Stewox | maybe you deadzergling, I asked jademus be he's not kind enough, i've got a special telegram for Mr. Dustin, can you be so kind to send a gift letter from Stewox to Dustin, it's a link to a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2eYDKRVRDw |
| 21:40.50 | Dustin|Home | I dont know why he keeps trying to have people link shit to me |
| 21:40.54 | Stewox | that'sall thank you |
| 21:40.59 | Dustin|Home | Like I'd watch anything he linked lol |
| 21:41.07 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 21:41.09 | DeadZergling | isn't it obvious Dustin, you need to be rescued :P |
| 21:41.40 | Dustin|Home | rescued from incoherent stewox babble maybe. |
| 21:43.36 | Dustin|Home | lmao I love that I need a 3rd phone to activate my new phone |
| 21:43.49 | Dustin|Home | Wonder if I can wifi call this number |
| 21:43.53 | Stewox | like I even care about reputation among braindead slaves jademussreg ... :p |
| 21:44.13 | Stewox | like this chat even matters at all |
| 21:44.32 | Stewox | in the big picture |
| 21:44.58 | Stewox | anyways, where are you G0A |
| 21:45.16 | Stewox | we got that pictionary thing remember |
| 21:45.58 | JademusSreg | Once the supply of attention-satisfying verbal abuse dries up, you'll depart as a tumbleweed in an arid season. |
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| 21:46.57 | Dustin|Home | That's what Im thinking jad |
| 21:47.20 | Stewox | I don't like being sorrounded by people I can't have a normal conversation with some of the stuff I follow, |
| 21:47.43 | ArcanePariah | Ahh, usual entertainment (read: drivel) has arrived? |
| 21:47.47 | Stewox | I would have certainly liked it more |
| 21:47.50 | Dustin|Home | We got a classic narcisist on our hands |
| 21:47.50 | ArcanePariah | Sup JademusSreg |
| 21:47.58 | Dustin|Home | ME ME ME, YOURE DUMB, MEM MEME |
| 21:48.06 | JademusSreg | Hi thar Arc. |
| 21:48.47 | ArcanePariah | As for not supporting UTF-8, apparently with some weird character combinations you can do interesting stuff, so one must either sanitize it along with including it, or not use it at all |
| 21:48.56 | Stewox | you don't suppose to take that personal jademussreg, I was once a slave as well |
| 21:48.57 | ArcanePariah | Slashdot apparently still doesn't support it |
| 21:48.58 | JademusSreg | brb in 5 |
| 21:49.02 | ArcanePariah | For thosereasons |
| 21:49.06 | ArcanePariah | those reasons* |
| 21:53.13 | Dustin|Home | https://www.humblebundle.com/ |
| 21:53.23 | Dustin|Home | Anyone that doesnt have NS2, I suggest getting this deal |
| 21:55.17 | A1win | NS2 felt too much like NS1 |
| 21:55.41 | Dustin|Home | Its so much better now |
| 21:55.50 | Dustin|Home | With all the optimization and features |
| 21:57.06 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a109/SC2%202013-12-03%2023-56-02-91.jpg |
| 21:57.10 | A1win | the title labels are weird :X |
| 21:58.11 | A1win | any ideas where to look for a reference? |
| 21:58.18 | A1win | similar table stuff |
| 21:59.05 | A1win | mmh wikipedia just has very wide columns |
| 21:59.50 | Dustin|Home | just center those number and maybe add a dividing line graphic between each column? |
| 22:00.10 | A1win | centered numbers look bad |
| 22:00.16 | A1win | but yeah dividing lines should be nice |
| 22:00.23 | Zolden | A1win is that artificial minimap? |
| 22:00.27 | Dustin|Home | diving lines should fix that up then |
| 22:00.28 | A1win | yeah |
| 22:00.33 | Dustin|Home | dividing |
| 22:00.45 | DeadZergling | you there for the moment Zolden? |
| 22:00.58 | Zolden | DeadZergling yea |
| 22:01.18 | Zolden | how do you do those broun messages? |
| 22:01.23 | DeadZergling | Got some feedback for your mines and magic |
| 22:01.29 | Zolden | ok, tell me |
| 22:01.50 | DeadZergling | joking aside from you raping the mechs/ranged nonstop, I'm a little concerned about this direction for your map |
| 22:02.05 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 22:02.32 | DeadZergling | I understand wanting to make it hard, but maybe lighten up in the first 5-10 rounds, not be so hardcore on the must have types too |
| 22:02.59 | DeadZergling | it seems very much like you need to get a good mine setup, and get certain units or lose for sure |
| 22:03.19 | DeadZergling | being pigeon holed into only one setup works best, I don't like it |
| 22:03.53 | Dustin|Home | Muahha skype works with 1800 numbers for free |
| 22:03.56 | DeadZergling | I assume the final round will be a wipe for sure type deal anyways |
| 22:04.15 | JademusSreg | probably suggested dynamic difficulty earlier in the week. |
| 22:04.46 | DeadZergling | If you don't do it perfect the first few rounds, you are pretty screwed the rest of the game, no one likes that. Squadron Defense, you can suck it up a round or two and recover |
| 22:04.54 | Zolden | JademusSreg i considered dynamic difficulty and rejected it |
| 22:04.56 | DeadZergling | that doesn't seem possible in your map |
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| 22:05.40 | Zolden | DeadZergling i've weakened 2 first waves |
| 22:05.42 | JademusSreg | It's doable, but not my place to push the issue. |
| 22:06.00 | DeadZergling | anyways, that is my main thing, lighten up on the difficulty the first 10-20 rounds, allow players to feel powerful |
| 22:06.09 | DeadZergling | take the gloves off in your final 5-10 rounds or whatever |
| 22:06.18 | DeadZergling | entice them to keep playing to see that next round |
| 22:06.30 | Zolden | it's very easy to do |
| 22:06.42 | Zolden | i can just go 3 -> 4 starting resources |
| 22:06.46 | Zolden | and game's easy |
| 22:07.01 | DeadZergling | as it is, as someone who has a lot of experience playing your map, I find it extremely difficult to get past even huge probes now. |
| 22:07.12 | Zolden | but first I want to feel the edge, and balance all units to be near the edge |
| 22:07.38 | DeadZergling | yes, the edge all the noobs are likely getting pushed off of first 5 rounds |
| 22:07.48 | Zolden | i was noob too during first 50 games |
| 22:08.24 | Zolden | don't worry, game's still in the deep alpha, lots of stuff isn't implemented (almost typed "excremented") |
| 22:08.31 | DeadZergling | that's the whole problem, you are scaling it based on what you think is easy, not what a new player would think |
| 22:09.08 | DeadZergling | playing your map made me decide to put in a noob noob area for my project |
| 22:09.16 | Zolden | actually last games show that most players don't leak much until second half of the waves |
| 22:09.23 | A1win | Dustin|Home, Stewox is trying to apologize to you or something, and I'm not going to relay his messages so unignore him if you wish ;p |
| 22:09.43 | Zolden | and i play too bad to rely on my experience, i rely on overall statistics |
| 22:10.02 | DeadZergling | do what you like with it Z, I am honestly concerned the difficulty curve starts way too high though |
| 22:10.02 | Dustin|Home | ill just leave him on ignore and be happy instead :) |
| 22:10.07 | Zolden | lol, glad it gave you this idea |
| 22:10.28 | Zolden | it won't be super high |
| 22:10.38 | Zolden | but i want players to have problems |
| 22:10.49 | DeadZergling | sure, but wait 5-10 rounds |
| 22:10.52 | Zolden | and plan ahead to be ok |
| 22:10.55 | DeadZergling | put in extra wimpola rounds if you gotta |
| 22:11.23 | Zolden | players will momentary get used to easier first rounds and will jsut do more eco during them |
| 22:11.35 | DeadZergling | that isn't a problem |
| 22:11.49 | DeadZergling | let it be an intro for noobs, a time of strategy for experts |
| 22:12.25 | Zolden | ok, i will lower the waves b4 the first boss when i feel it's time to |
| 22:12.27 | DeadZergling | by the way, like the fact sends give me bonus gold for killing towers, lol |
| 22:12.29 | Zolden | just not right now |
| 22:12.55 | DeadZergling | aye, know you got lots to do |
| 22:13.00 | DeadZergling | just an honest concern of mine |
| 22:13.01 | Zolden | well, it now works only one way: if you send ranged damage dealers |
| 22:13.21 | Zolden | if you send fat tanks, it won't give you money, byt can make enemy leak |
| 22:13.55 | Zolden | also, i have to implement a second sender with aura units for lategame since first building only contains weak units |
| 22:14.25 | Zolden | well, thanks, i like when ppl share their wishes about what should be done |
| 22:14.44 | Zolden | somehow i summarize all feedback and change things in optimal way |
| 22:15.14 | DeadZergling | yea, I'm gonna change how a few monsters work in mine too |
| 22:15.24 | DeadZergling | so the noob monsters don't auto-attack, but only if you attack them first |
| 22:15.40 | DeadZergling | at least the first animal types |
| 22:15.53 | Zolden | learning curve seem to be important, lots of noob can quit if their asses got hurt |
| 22:16.28 | DeadZergling | the income you can get/lose the first 5-10 rounds is critical to if you can make it or not |
| 22:17.00 | Zolden | for now the only way to not make it is to do more eco then it should be done |
| 22:17.03 | Zolden | you know what |
| 22:17.05 | Zolden | lets' play it now |
| 22:17.10 | Zolden | i want to see how you play |
| 22:17.32 | DeadZergling | can't, at work right now |
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| 22:18.00 | Zolden | ok |
| 22:18.10 | DeadZergling | I think I have a replay of my last game |
| 22:18.18 | DeadZergling | i'll send that later |
| 22:18.22 | Zolden | but i hate watching replays |
| 22:18.26 | Zolden | got bored in 1 sec |
| 22:18.34 | JademusSreg | Determine player skill level via bayesian inference from player performance. Predict players' performance from skill levels to set initial challenge/error margin. Adjust challenge growth rate for player performance, modified by a growth curve for time. |
| 22:18.48 | DeadZergling | is a good example of why I'm annoyed at mech nerfs |
| 22:19.03 | Zolden | you sucked with mech? |
| 22:19.09 | DeadZergling | yep |
| 22:19.17 | DeadZergling | had like 12-14 tanks, still lost |
| 22:19.51 | Zolden | JademusSreg yea, it can be done this way, it jsut doesn't feel right, it's a lie |
| 22:20.10 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 22:20.10 | Zolden | when we support suckers they keep sucking |
| 22:20.23 | Zolden | when we punish good play, it has no motivation to grow |
| 22:20.32 | Zolden | it's how socialism work and it's why it doesn't work |
| 22:20.59 | Zolden | DeadZergling on what wave? |
| 22:21.02 | DeadZergling | i know you hate replays, but is a really good example of how I tend to play |
| 22:21.05 | DeadZergling | Space Destroyers |
| 22:21.16 | Zolden | lol |
| 22:21.19 | Zolden | it means you won |
| 22:21.30 | Zolden | space destroyers jsut op without reason |
| 22:21.39 | DeadZergling | I was annoyed to say the least, considering I've beaten them with worse econs/armies in the past |
| 22:21.41 | Zolden | i didn't want players to reach the empty waves |
| 22:21.53 | JademusSreg | Guess I'll demonstrate it with gameplay in the near future. |
| 22:21.54 | Zolden | tomorrow i'll finish the waves and nerf space destoryers |
| 22:22.15 | DeadZergling | yea, they are powerful without reason |
| 22:22.18 | A1win | hmm |
| 22:22.25 | DeadZergling | my poor berserkers didn't even reach them before dying |
| 22:22.26 | A1win | should I set the score screen values to player color? |
| 22:22.32 | DeadZergling | yes |
| 22:22.44 | Zolden | DeadZergling have you had bufferfly to buff berserkers? |
| 22:22.49 | DeadZergling | yes |
| 22:22.56 | Zolden | A1win no, only the names |
| 22:23.00 | DeadZergling | I had to get teh stupid thing to get battle tanks |
| 22:23.10 | A1win | Zolden, why not? |
| 22:23.10 | Zolden | for numbers you can make higher ones brighter |
| 22:23.14 | DeadZergling | need high damage units to have a chance at your map |
| 22:23.19 | Zolden | but in grayscale |
| 22:23.33 | DeadZergling | never know when you'll pop a 20 armor quartz monster :P |
| 22:23.42 | A1win | Zolden, I have sorting per column functionality, don't think I need to highlight the larger ones :P |
| 22:24.04 | A1win | I guess I'll have to add vertical divider lines too, was trying to be lazy |
| 22:24.21 | DeadZergling | that's why I get annoyed anyways Z, I used to be able to beat Space Destroyers fairly reliably if I had a decent mine set up at all |
| 22:24.28 | DeadZergling | now I can't get past them, lol |
| 22:24.48 | Zolden | A1win it's my design reference, if I try to explain it logically, it will be like this: colors are noise, the less noise your table has, the better it is, minimally required colors are exhausted by the colorful names |
| 22:25.14 | A1win | mm I suppose so |
| 22:25.25 | Zolden | A1win yea, with sorting it's not needed |
| 22:25.26 | DeadZergling | to me a1win, color coded would be nice for easy row separation |
| 22:25.40 | DeadZergling | so I know for damn certain whose score that was |
| 22:25.40 | A1win | DeadZergling, that's what I was thinking |
| 22:25.51 | A1win | I'll see how it looks before discarding the idea ;p |
| 22:26.13 | Zolden | DeadZergling just adapt, there are lots of unit compositions to beat the destroyers |
| 22:26.38 | DeadZergling | mages can suck ass |
| 22:26.44 | DeadZergling | I don't wantem |
| 22:27.11 | DeadZergling | I'd probably have won if I went Robotrons, but I don't like them either |
| 22:27.29 | DeadZergling | I'll take my harkonnen tanks any day |
| 22:28.16 | Zolden | mages have holy arch who buff non-mechanical units |
| 22:29.03 | DeadZergling | well that is going back to my problem, I dislike the idea of being forced to have a certain magical setup to be able to win |
| 22:29.31 | A1win | hmm with my awesome color functions, I could make it blend towards white by 50% or so, to decrease saturation |
| 22:30.46 | A1win | 50% too much ;p |
| 22:30.53 | DeadZergling | is bad enough I need tanks and ranged damage, now I need slowers and healers too? |
| 22:31.09 | DeadZergling | am I playing a Tower Defense or an MMORPG here? |
| 22:31.58 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a109/SC2%202013-12-04%2000-31-32-57.jpg |
| 22:32.02 | A1win | dunno, a bit too noisy like Zolden said |
| 22:32.34 | A1win | horizontal lines might be better |
| 22:32.49 | DeadZergling | they are a little close |
| 22:33.05 | DeadZergling | and yea, all that score screen needs is a big picture of toucan sam |
| 22:33.08 | DeadZergling | approving of it |
| 22:34.08 | DeadZergling | http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4009/4326511990_83271cbd74_z.jpg |
| 22:34.44 | DeadZergling | could just do alternating white/gray text for the actual scores? |
| 22:34.47 | Dustin|Home | I like those columns |
| 22:34.53 | Dustin|Home | I think it organizes it better |
| 22:35.08 | DeadZergling | I trust you are going to left align those numbers soon :) |
| 22:35.22 | Dustin|Home | I think right align is fine with the column lines now |
| 22:35.38 | Dustin|Home | Would look funny them growing left to right too |
| 22:35.55 | DeadZergling | looks awful if anything bigger comes up |
| 22:36.59 | A1win | why'd I left align numbers? |
| 22:37.18 | A1win | numbers need to be right aligned |
| 22:37.33 | A1win | because their lowest digit is at right |
| 22:38.40 | DeadZergling | yea nevermind, too tired :P |
| 22:38.54 | DeadZergling | it is weird how they don't line up with the text at top though |
| 22:39.15 | Dustin|Home | There's a sorting arrow to the right of the text |
| 22:39.20 | A1win | maybe the title should be right aligned? |
| 22:39.21 | DeadZergling | guess that is why you have the lines |
| 22:41.49 | DeadZergling | doesn't hurt to try it |
| 22:42.12 | DeadZergling | yea, not sure why I wanted left aligned numbers, can blame the lack of sleep, heh |
| 22:42.42 | A1win | uff horizontal lines are ugly |
| 22:46.56 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 22:52.37 | A1win | now it looks fine even without vertical lines: http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a109/SC2%202013-12-04%2000-52-11-69.jpg |
| 22:52.55 | A1win | sorting arrow just a bit lost ;p |
| 22:53.54 | DeadZergling | could just give them all the categories a blue background |
| 22:53.59 | DeadZergling | *give all th e |
| 22:54.20 | DeadZergling | sigh, anyways, faded if not being used to sort, full color if the current sort type? |
| 22:54.35 | A1win | mmh? |
| 22:54.41 | A1win | the background? |
| 22:54.50 | DeadZergling | just the categories |
| 22:55.01 | DeadZergling | a blue backing or such, like a label |
| 22:55.13 | A1win | oh, mmh |
| 22:55.18 | DeadZergling | then fade the ones you aren't using to sort, full color for the one sorting |
| 22:55.43 | DeadZergling | or green or whichever, you get the idea though right? |
| 22:55.45 | A1win | well it already has brighter text for that |
| 22:55.56 | A1win | not big enough difference I guess |
| 22:56.04 | DeadZergling | yea, just the arrow is, confusing |
| 22:56.15 | DeadZergling | I'd expect a dropdown menu to come out of it |
| 22:56.19 | DeadZergling | with save and quit functions |
| 22:56.29 | A1win | huh? never seen an ascending/descending symbol? |
| 22:56.58 | DeadZergling | sure, but in that picture, it isn't clear that is associated with Kills at that time |
| 22:57.11 | A1win | yeah because it's mispositioned |
| 22:57.21 | A1win | could try moving it just to the right of the text |
| 22:57.59 | DeadZergling | be less work for sure |
| 22:58.27 | DeadZergling | only other complaint I'd have is for your dialog box to scale with number of players |
| 22:58.28 | A1win | well adding a background is easy too |
| 22:58.34 | DeadZergling | I'm sure that is planned though |
| 22:58.45 | A1win | yeah |
| 22:58.54 | A1win | it's not the full dialog yet anyway |
| 22:59.07 | A1win | will add award stuff and DEFEAT/VICTORY at top and stuff |
| 22:59.46 | DeadZergling | i have more experience with fucking dialogs in sc2 |
| 22:59.50 | DeadZergling | then I ever wanted to have |
| 23:00.03 | DeadZergling | and still have more to add, bleh... |
| 23:00.22 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a109/SC2%202013-12-04%2000-59-40-03.jpg |
| 23:00.30 | A1win | ;> |
| 23:01.17 | DeadZergling | better |
| 23:01.49 | A1win | maybe each row should have a player-colored background (very dark) instead of player colored text |
| 23:01.54 | DeadZergling | any critique I'd have at this point would be a matter of style, lol |
| 23:02.06 | A1win | or just every 2nd row with different background |
| 23:02.17 | DeadZergling | like i was saying earlier |
| 23:02.24 | DeadZergling | a white/gray text alternation |
| 23:02.24 | Dustin|Home | I like that idea |
| 23:02.27 | DeadZergling | might be best |
| 23:02.29 | Dustin|Home | a lot |
| 23:03.46 | DeadZergling | for the stats, the names should have some kind of differentiation |
| 23:05.04 | A1win | differentiation? |
| 23:05.27 | DeadZergling | well like the player color, or the player-colored background |
| 23:05.42 | DeadZergling | just for the name though, not for the stats |
| 23:08.10 | A1win | not sure what you're saying D: |
| 23:08.18 | A1win | what does player color got anything to do with the column titles? |
| 23:08.44 | DeadZergling | I'm not talkign about the column titles right now :) |
| 23:09.02 | DeadZergling | you started talking about rows, so I also talked about them |
| 23:15.17 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a109/SC2%202013-12-04%2001-14-56-38.jpg |
| 23:15.52 | A1win | guess there's no more need for player colored values |
| 23:15.57 | DeadZergling | good, can probably get rid of the colors on the stat values though |
| 23:16.05 | DeadZergling | yep |
| 23:16.44 | DeadZergling | unless of course, you plan to have this guy on your panel somewhere: http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4009/4326511990_83271cbd74_z.jpg |
| 23:17.00 | A1win | except now the titles need some color |
| 23:17.33 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a109/SC2%202013-12-04%2001-17-13-29.jpg |
| 23:18.00 | A1win | maybe a bit taller rows |
| 23:18.02 | Dustin|Home | ya or color all the numbers |
| 23:18.10 | Ahli | http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/latest-catalyst-windows-beta.aspx catalyst beta driver fixing some corruption in starcraft |
| 23:28.33 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a109/SC2%202013-12-04%2001-28-11-86.jpg |
| 23:30.45 | Dustin|Home | Beautifuk |
| 23:30.48 | Dustin|Home | Beautiful. |
| 23:31.47 | JademusSreg | Nice spreadsheet. |
| 23:31.52 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a109/SC2%202013-12-04%2001-31-33-74.jpg |
| 23:35.45 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ice4smaster (6d9d9d89@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.157.157.137) |
| 23:35.48 | Ice4smaster | Hello |
| 23:36.37 | Ice4smaster | Anyone good with move type abilities? |
| 23:37.10 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 23:38.03 | Dustin|Home | woot lets play it A1win :D |
| 23:38.20 | JademusSreg | Better to just discuss the problem publically, Ice. |
| 23:38.23 | A1win | it can't even be closed atm :P |
| 23:40.08 | Ice4smaster | sure |
| 23:40.48 | Ice4smaster | Working on a Warp Drive Spell, using EffectTarget type Ability as base ( Like yamato ) |
| 23:41.01 | Ice4smaster | So far i got the followings working |
| 23:41.07 | Ice4smaster | -Prepair time |
| 23:41.14 | Ice4smaster | -Turn towards target |
| 23:41.22 | Ice4smaster | -Apply Behavior |
| 23:41.39 | Ice4smaster | problem is, it remains stationary |
| 23:43.01 | Dustin|Home | lol kk |
| 23:43.32 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 23:44.18 | Ice4smaster | any ideas how to order the unit to move when appling the effects ( using a set ) |
| 23:50.23 | JademusSreg | Wueue the order with an Issue Order effect (and remember to -not- replace its orders). |
| 23:50.29 | JademusSreg | brb++ |
| 23:53.01 | Ice4smaster | Thx! I gonna try it now |
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