| 00:17.56 | Ahli | Ownage: from once every 2 game seconds to 8 times per game second to be exact |
| 00:18.31 | Ahli | 12 per real time second (approximately) |
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| 00:22.34 | JademusSreg | Not sure what is being discussed. SC1 stuff? |
| 00:24.16 | Ahli | it is/was |
| 00:25.55 | JademusSreg | is recompiling the element list. |
| 00:26.16 | JademusSreg | Already found some new elements. |
| 00:28.23 | Ahli | elements? |
| 00:28.30 | JademusSreg | Frame elements. |
| 00:28.42 | Ahli | :o |
| 00:29.46 | JademusSreg | I've definitely found a few new elements; ocassionally see some candidates, compare to my current list, got some hits. |
| 00:30.03 | JademusSreg | <EnabledDuringRestrictedState val="true"/> <EnabledWhileInParty val="false"/> |
| 00:30.05 | JademusSreg | For example. |
| 00:30.22 | Ahli | restricted state? |
| 00:30.28 | JademusSreg | shrugs. |
| 00:30.37 | Ahli | battle.net frame properties? |
| 00:30.56 | JademusSreg | Almost certainly from the Glues used for bnet, yes. |
| 00:31.18 | JademusSreg | I could double-check that, but not a priority atm. |
| 00:43.24 | JademusSreg | A1, you might find this amusing. <Shortcut val="Control+Alt+W"/> |
| 00:43.39 | JademusSreg | A literal shortcut value instead of a hotkey. |
| 00:45.01 | A1win | D: |
| 00:46.21 | A1win | that can't really be edited on runtime though? |
| 00:46.32 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 00:46.58 | A1win | could be nice for settim Esc to close frames |
| 00:47.09 | A1win | setting even |
| 00:47.17 | JademusSreg | Well, it's interesting. |
| 00:47.42 | A1win | if it works |
| 00:47.56 | JademusSreg | The dialog control property API lists the hotkey as type int, but I wonder if one has tried setting it via string. |
| 00:48.40 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Shortcut element appears to correspond to the Hotkey dialog control property. |
| 00:48.44 | A1win | I tried setting it to null which gave a compile error |
| 00:49.25 | A1win | but that was for the setter function |
| 00:49.29 | JademusSreg | A1, probably producing the wrong script. |
| 00:49.55 | JademusSreg | DialogControlSetPropertyAsInt would certainly not accept null for an int arg. |
| 00:50.50 | A1win | don't thinl it was using thqt but dunno |
| 00:51.00 | A1win | *k |
| 00:51.23 | A1win | sleeping now <.< |
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| 01:03.59 | Bounty | Anyone familiar with portraits at all? :) |
| 01:04.41 | turtles1 | the portrait type as a dialog item? |
| 01:05.17 | Bounty | just portraits |
| 01:05.19 | Bounty | the animated ones |
| 01:05.36 | turtles1 | ahh, yeah ok. |
| 01:05.49 | turtles1 | I have used portraits |
| 01:05.59 | Bounty | How do you get it to center the model so it looks like it does in game? |
| 01:06.37 | turtles1 | but since then Blizzard introduced a new dialog item type called "portrait" which seems to be designed to work with portraits |
| 01:06.57 | Bounty | nvm, figured it out |
| 01:06.59 | Bounty | >.< |
| 01:07.00 | turtles1 | but doing it the way we both have... |
| 01:07.07 | turtles1 | you can send actor messages |
| 01:07.27 | turtles1 | to affect the height, scale, lighting etcetc |
| 01:08.17 | turtles1 | you know how to send actor messages? |
| 01:15.40 | Bounty | I was using the wrong models |
| 01:15.46 | Bounty | Was using the unit model and not the portrait models |
| 01:15.47 | Bounty | >.< |
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| 01:23.23 | turtles1 | I actually use the unit models |
| 01:23.34 | turtles1 | I think it looks way cooler |
| 01:23.53 | turtles1 | also you can animate them and make them dance about etc |
| 01:33.54 | ArcanePariah | Oh JademusSreg, the EnabledWhileRestricted almost certainly refers to the restricted states that are imposed on command buttons when Abilites are restricted |
| 01:34.30 | ArcanePariah | So that may be simply an exposure of the trigger action that enables restricted abilites despite them being restricted |
| 01:34.41 | ArcanePariah | and the corresponding change to the UI element |
| 01:50.24 | JademusSreg | Backish. |
| 01:50.38 | JademusSreg | Parhaps. |
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| 02:00.36 | Bounty | I love how I become inspired with ideas immediately after having a drink lol |
| 02:00.55 | JademusSreg | Panderan Brewmapper. |
| 02:01.23 | Bounty | yeah, seriously |
| 02:01.34 | Bounty | Been struggling all day, took a shot and I'm killing it now |
| 02:01.38 | Bounty | lol |
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| 03:07.51 | Repo | New map: Defendable Walls - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/defendable-walls/ |
| 03:24.06 | Repo | New announcement: Earth 2150 - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/earth-2150/ |
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| 03:55.39 | JademusSreg | 292 frame types in standard UI. |
| 04:14.30 | JademusSreg | 171 frame elements in standard UI. |
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| 05:34.20 | JademusSreg | Hm, I didn't extract the contents of all maps and interface mods. |
| 05:39.01 | JademusSreg | That's interesting, seems the client can handle the argument -dx11 |
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| 06:03.23 | ArcanePariah | Interesting, maybe lets those with dx11 cards leverage the dx11 to enhance certain graphic functions? |
| 06:04.26 | ArcanePariah | Welp, tried it with editor, instantly crashed sc2 :D |
| 06:04.52 | ArcanePariah | I wonder if it only works with certain drivers |
| 06:04.59 | ArcanePariah | Because I do have a DX11 card |
| 06:06.42 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg, is that the exact argument? |
| 06:09.04 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 06:09.23 | JademusSreg | Might be NYI or otherwise incomplete. |
| 06:09.36 | JademusSreg | That it actually crashed indicates it was handled. |
| 06:10.00 | JademusSreg | Also, I said it was a client argument; didn't check if the argument was valid for the editor. |
| 06:10.07 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, it gave me a DirectX/OpenGL error |
| 06:10.25 | ArcanePariah | Well I meant that I added it in the editor arguments to pass to the cleint on test documennt |
| 06:10.46 | ArcanePariah | And then attempting to run test document instantly crashed |
| 06:11.05 | ArcanePariah | The error logs says invalid arg |
| 06:11.06 | JademusSreg | While I'm extracting frame classes from the client, figured I'd extract some additional interesting values, in case they prove useful. I'll perform a more thorough search for args. |
| 06:12.11 | ArcanePariah | What are the current possible args one can pass to the client? |
| 06:12.16 | JademusSreg | Here's an interesting one, or rather not necessarily an arg but might be, as it is formatted similarly and is used for error logging: -from star2testserver@blizzard.com |
| 06:13.01 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, I'm assuming that has to do with automatic testing, the game does support it, there is a conditional that tests if game is running in manual (test document) test mode or automatic test mode |
| 06:13.04 | JademusSreg | I'll find that out in a bit. |
| 06:13.26 | ArcanePariah | Also many of the campaign maps had debug triggers |
| 06:13.32 | ArcanePariah | that skipped to different parts of missions |
| 06:14.34 | ArcanePariah | Sigh... are there really so few actually decent coders who delve into stuff like you do? |
| 06:17.01 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 06:17.41 | JademusSreg | Actually, way back during beta, there were a number who were as thorough, but they've since moved on. |
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| 06:18.23 | JademusSreg | Some of them even went so far as to employ IDA, like I've been lately. |
| 06:18.59 | ArcanePariah | Seems like many of them burned out pretty quickly... |
| 06:19.11 | JademusSreg | (Wouldn't advise it, personally; disassembling is invariably time consuming.) |
| 06:19.37 | ArcanePariah | Oh I've seen, I tried using IDA once on Firefox... I closed it pretty fast XD |
| 06:20.17 | ArcanePariah | Think we will get any new blood or old people come back to sc2 mapping any time soon? |
| 06:21.06 | ArcanePariah | Or is this basically it, and maybe some might come along, although I get the impression many people have spent time on and off over the years and we are starting to see the results (like Gradius Subjection campaign) |
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| 06:23.21 | JademusSreg | I expect that will occur once the Battle.net client + Galaxy platform mature, eventually they'll support a more active ecosystem. I'd qualify that as uncertain, but I'm rather certain that pushing the battle.net+galaxy platform is part of their long term plans, and Blizzard is known for their follow-through. |
| 06:24.07 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, I would say one of Blzzards enduring qualities is staying for the long haul |
| 06:24.58 | ArcanePariah | The fact that the company still maintains the SC1 and D2 servers to this day is rather unheard of. Most other companies either drop support or just release the server code and the players are on their own |
| 06:25.13 | JademusSreg | Personally, I'm surprised and pleased that they are pushing the galaxy platform, since I've said for years it would be a superb direction given how passionate their modding communities tend to be once they mature. Back then, I thought it extremely unlikely. |
| 06:25.46 | ArcanePariah | Welp... it certainly seems to be coming with Heroes, and Hearthstone |
| 06:25.54 | ArcanePariah | Plus with the arcade going F2P as well |
| 06:26.02 | JademusSreg | Or to put it more comically: Blizzard == ~EA |
| 06:26.32 | ArcanePariah | Perhaps, but unlike EA, they don't entirely do yearly rehashes |
| 06:26.42 | JademusSreg | *and unlike |
| 06:27.10 | JademusSreg | (~ being the bitwise complement operator here) |
| 06:27.46 | ArcanePariah | Also, I get the feeling Blizzard is aiming more to be smaller and targeted in development, I think they realized large teams = inevitable failure, which stems from Titan and D3 development |
| 06:28.02 | JademusSreg | (Which is to say, Blizzard seems like the very antithesis of EA, thankfully.) |
| 06:28.33 | ArcanePariah | Almost like they want to have the same agility of indie development teams, so they are shrinking their respective franchise teams to about the same size internally to get the same effect |
| 06:28.55 | ArcanePariah | IIRC, Hearthstone team is like 15 people? |
| 06:29.11 | ArcanePariah | And Heroes has been kind of an off and on thing of theirs that has slowly built up |
| 06:29.41 | ArcanePariah | SO in short, Blizzard is basically trying to become Valve |
| 06:29.50 | JademusSreg | Yes, seems diversification and faster production cycles are the direction for the "battle.net galaxy" platform. |
| 06:29.50 | ArcanePariah | With a bit more focus |
| 06:30.23 | ArcanePariah | From where I sit, EA and Valve are polar opposites, and Blizzard is trying to be the middle |
| 06:31.25 | ArcanePariah | And Blizzard almost certainly has or can build the infrastructure to make something like Steam |
| 06:31.37 | JademusSreg | So, wanna dig deeply like I do? Would sure be nice to not do nearly all the data mining. =D |
| 06:31.44 | ArcanePariah | Plus they have vastly more resources then valve does |
| 06:31.52 | ArcanePariah | Sure |
| 06:32.05 | ArcanePariah | Wheres Disassembling for Dummies? |
| 06:32.08 | ArcanePariah | :P |
| 06:32.29 | JademusSreg | Naw, that's not the bulk of what I do; that way madness lies. |
| 06:32.42 | ArcanePariah | Or enlightment... or both :D |
| 06:32.58 | JademusSreg | I'll explain the process I use, |
| 06:33.11 | ArcanePariah | Funny, my favorite character in dota speaks enitrely in 4 word phrases like you last part |
| 06:33.43 | JademusSreg | First, this: http://www.zezula.net/en/mpq/download.html |
| 06:35.30 | JademusSreg | Second, run MPQEditor and designate a work directory, to serve as the repository for the extracted data. |
| 06:35.55 | ArcanePariah | Oh, I've used it before |
| 06:36.01 | ArcanePariah | I use it when I go digging in MPQs |
| 06:36.17 | ArcanePariah | For those Game Asset.txt earlier among other things |
| 06:37.20 | ArcanePariah | Next up? |
| 06:37.27 | JademusSreg | Third, extract the content of each MPQ (.SC2Mod .SC2Data .SC2Campaign .SC2Map and optionally .SC2Assets) contained in the program file directory. |
| 06:37.28 | JademusSreg | Note: |
| 06:38.13 | JademusSreg | Maintain all directory structures, segregate sources, lest one source override another, or patch data override unpatched data. |
| 06:40.15 | JademusSreg | I segregate by version first, then source, so all the base MPQs are kept separately from the updates. |
| 06:40.37 | ArcanePariah | So extract each MPQ: Base.SC2Assets Base.SC2Data, Base-Win.mpq. etc.? |
| 06:40.59 | JademusSreg | That way, I need only archive the old update data and extract the fresh data with each new patch, while the base mpq files remain unchanged. |
| 06:41.03 | ArcanePariah | Or can you open the entire Core.SC2MOD at once? |
| 06:41.27 | JademusSreg | I'll list the MPQs I open. |
| 06:42.20 | ArcanePariah | Oh... I get what you are doing now, and damm... some of those patches and their strings... |
| 06:44.10 | ArcanePariah | Oh duh, I opened the very first patch and thus its ofc massive |
| 06:44.14 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:45.08 | JademusSreg | Mods/ all .SC2Mod and Base.SC2Data is subdirectories ; |
| 06:45.29 | JademusSreg | That covers all -base- data. |
| 06:46.15 | JademusSreg | Patch data is best extracted from /Updates/Cache/base/patch-base-{highest value}.MPQ |
| 06:46.17 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, I think I'm getting where this is going, you dump the entirety of each MPQ seperate for each dependency, then dump each patch and do a diff/regex? |
| 06:47.00 | JademusSreg | WinMerge or shell commands can be used to display file differences, yeah. |
| 06:47.06 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, why does the patch archives seem to have a vast quantity of the same data as the base data, is it the new files to overwrite the old ones? |
| 06:47.15 | JademusSreg | Glad you asked. |
| 06:47.35 | ArcanePariah | Or does the game start from base, and merge all patch versions to make a final one? |
| 06:47.56 | ArcanePariah | In the same way a chain of dependencies are merged to make a final XML to be used? |
| 06:48.02 | JademusSreg | Dependencies get their shit loaded, and the data in the patch archives override them. |
| 06:48.32 | ArcanePariah | Ok, which makes sense, because the game loads with an argument that states the patch version |
| 06:48.34 | JademusSreg | So while dependency data is loaded serially, patch data is loaded as a replacement. |
| 06:48.56 | ArcanePariah | and thus that argument probably indicates to the game where to get the latest patch data to overwrite base data |
| 06:49.40 | ArcanePariah | So what I really need is all the base data, and then only the latest patch data? |
| 06:50.18 | ArcanePariah | Err wait, it has to apply ALL the patch data... |
| 06:50.38 | ArcanePariah | It patch is basically a differential |
| 06:50.42 | ArcanePariah | nothing more |
| 06:50.43 | JademusSreg | So to get a complete data set with least work per patch, one maintains the base data segregated from the patch data, and to get a complete image of the data, one merges a copy of the base data with a copy of the patch data, then combine the dependency files. |
| 06:51.29 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, but would you have to merge each patch with the next, otherwise all you are seeing is the data differences of the current patch with the base game, and skipping everything in between? |
| 06:51.39 | JademusSreg | Nope. =D |
| 06:51.51 | ArcanePariah | And why is that? |
| 06:52.02 | JademusSreg | Because patches don't "stack", so to speak. |
| 06:52.11 | ArcanePariah | Ehh? |
| 06:52.33 | ArcanePariah | So If Patch A changes X and Y, and patch B only changes Z, X and Y are basically undone? |
| 06:52.35 | JademusSreg | You only need the data for the patch you're using as a reference, typically only the most recent. |
| 06:52.59 | JademusSreg | Compare patch-base 26147 and 26825. |
| 06:53.17 | JademusSreg | Or 24540 and 26147. |
| 06:53.34 | ArcanePariah | well I have neither of those |
| 06:54.05 | JademusSreg | %PROGRAMFILESHURRHURR%\StarCraft II\Updates\Cache\base\ |
| 06:54.16 | ArcanePariah | Oh, I was looking at Versions |
| 06:54.19 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 06:56.48 | JademusSreg | Each patch (usually) contains all the data of the previous patch, plus its changes. Since it overrides entire files, one only ever needs the base data and a specific patch's data. |
| 06:57.07 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so the patches are integrated together |
| 06:57.22 | ArcanePariah | I find it interesting they are indeed still tweaking some WoL missions |
| 06:58.12 | Stewox | it's more interesting than that |
| 06:58.26 | Stewox | i researched this when i was doing something some years ago |
| 06:58.33 | Stewox | how this patching system works |
| 06:58.36 | ArcanePariah | A number of the WoL Campaign maps have new mapscripts in the latest of those patch bases |
| 06:58.39 | Stewox | let me find the noties |
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| 06:58.56 | JademusSreg | From a certain perspective, it might seem cumbersome, but since the cache is itself generated by combining the change data in Updates/base/ mpqs with the base data, effectively Blizz sends change data, the client caches it by applying changes to copies of the files and archives them in the cache mpqs. |
| 06:59.13 | ArcanePariah | So someone in their spare time at Blizzard is tweaking the older maps to use newer stuff |
| 06:59.28 | JademusSreg | Yes, that started back in 1.5. |
| 06:59.46 | ArcanePariah | Which isn't suprising, those responsible for making the campaign maps are not the same as those creating/working on the editor itself |
| 07:00.04 | JademusSreg | 1.5 introduced a ton of new shit; took a while for all tactical AIs to be converted from script to data, but they finished it. |
| 07:00.15 | ArcanePariah | Also, just like us mapmakers, fundamentally, anyone using the editor is just as experience/inexperienced as we are |
| 07:00.36 | ArcanePariah | They just are paid and can ask the editor devs for explainations, we can't |
| 07:01.33 | JademusSreg | Anyway, with the extractions and organization and such complete, you've more or less got the reference I use. |
| 07:01.38 | ArcanePariah | And yeah, they are steadily refining the game engine and the code of the maps. I noticed in many of the libraries that many common used fucntions we redone into native functions |
| 07:02.10 | ArcanePariah | Like Add Unit Group to Unit Group used to be a pick each loop that added the units one at atime to the new group |
| 07:02.15 | ArcanePariah | now its a native |
| 07:03.01 | JademusSreg | Correction: GUI stuff from not-Ntve libraries have been moved to Ntve, not quite the same thing as being "native". =D |
| 07:03.35 | ArcanePariah | And it seems HotS missions are also being revised as well |
| 07:03.42 | ArcanePariah | Well... what is the difference again? |
| 07:03.57 | ArcanePariah | Before I could see the code in the library, the function implementation, now I can't |
| 07:04.09 | ArcanePariah | And the GUI has it set to native |
| 07:04.26 | JademusSreg | Ntve aka "Built-in" GUI library has a ton of shit that isn't native galaxy code in the least. |
| 07:04.32 | JademusSreg | But is generally useful. |
| 07:05.15 | ArcanePariah | Yes, I understand that, I'm saying, withing that, the actual function is now native with no visible implmentation, I know the vast majority of the functions in the library are just implemented functions |
| 07:06.02 | ArcanePariah | Before, the Add Unit Group to Unit Group was visibly coded in the libarry as a Pick Each Unit from UNit Group loop and Add picked unit to new group |
| 07:06.05 | JademusSreg | Depends on the item in question. Very few natives were added with the last content patch. Mostly some bank-related stuff. |
| 07:06.10 | ArcanePariah | Now it has nothing |
| 07:06.19 | ArcanePariah | And the action flags hasve it set to native |
| 07:06.20 | JademusSreg | Not it has a script macro, actually. |
| 07:06.23 | JademusSreg | *Now |
| 07:06.38 | JademusSreg | Far more efficient. |
| 07:07.18 | ArcanePariah | Nope, no script macro |
| 07:07.31 | ArcanePariah | They have both versions still in the libraray |
| 07:07.39 | ArcanePariah | One is labeld as Old (suffixed) |
| 07:08.37 | JademusSreg | What's the name of the action? |
| 07:08.47 | ArcanePariah | Add Unit Group to Unit Group |
| 07:09.10 | ArcanePariah | In the Built In Library under Unit Group -> Groups |
| 07:09.30 | JademusSreg | Oh, I misunderstoodf. |
| 07:09.31 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 07:09.35 | ArcanePariah | The old versions have actual GUI code I can examine, the new ones have nothing at all |
| 07:09.41 | ArcanePariah | and now are declared as natives |
| 07:09.55 | JademusSreg | I thought you were refering to Pick Each, no worries. |
| 07:09.56 | ArcanePariah | So I assumed they had been truly rewritten as natives |
| 07:10.01 | JademusSreg | But yes, you're entirely correct. |
| 07:10.33 | ArcanePariah | Which I assume boosts performance overall, since many of those functions are routinely used |
| 07:10.40 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/9j2wx |
| 07:10.58 | ArcanePariah | Yep, redone as natives |
| 07:11.45 | ArcanePariah | I do like they trick with Hideen, map code won't break, but GUI users won't use the older slower ones :D |
| 07:11.52 | ArcanePariah | the trick with Hidden* |
| 07:12.11 | JademusSreg | Haha, hadn't noticed all the code in the client for "trade show" before. |
| 07:12.20 | ArcanePariah | In effect making newer maps more efficient by default |
| 07:15.00 | G0A | Wolfram building the mother of all libraries : http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/29/sentient-code-an-inside-look-at-stephen-wolframs-utterly-new-insanely-ambitious-computational-paradigm/ |
| 07:16.00 | ArcanePariah | Great... build that, and now we merge with Watson and get Skynet |
| 07:16.08 | ArcanePariah | GG Humans XD |
| 07:17.05 | G0A | I dont think you will even need to merge it with Watson |
| 07:17.07 | G0A | Watson sucks anyway |
| 07:17.39 | ArcanePariah | Well it has gotten WAY better, they've optimized the hell out of Watson, takes vastly less power to run it and it is like 2.5x faster now? |
| 07:18.11 | ArcanePariah | Used to be a 20 ton room of cooling and servers, now I hear its like a 50 kg chest basically |
| 07:20.27 | G0A | while computers got 10 times better too... |
| 07:20.42 | ArcanePariah | Not in 3 years they havne't |
| 07:21.02 | ArcanePariah | Maybe 1.5x times better at most |
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| 07:21.16 | ArcanePariah | In any case, interesting times ahead |
| 07:21.27 | G0A | Moore's law says its at least 2 times |
| 07:21.30 | JademusSreg | Nearly done with this entertaining tangent. |
| 07:22.13 | ArcanePariah | Yes for now, I wonder still what goodies we get with next patch |
| 07:22.35 | ArcanePariah | Blizzard seemed to indicate 2.1 and 2.2 were fairly big in their scope, something on the scale of 1.5 |
| 07:23.06 | ArcanePariah | And if they truly are getting a PTR and patch out by the end of the year, this is going to be one hell of a short PTR |
| 07:23.08 | G0A | I wonder if we get 2.2 before Summer:D (or even 2.1 :) ) |
| 07:23.27 | ArcanePariah | Ikr, it will be Soon (Blizzard time scale) |
| 07:23.34 | ArcanePariah | or Valve time scale |
| 07:23.45 | ArcanePariah | take your pick of geological time scales :D |
| 07:23.58 | JademusSreg | Synthetic sentience requires modeling of externalities (ie an environment), synthetic sapience requires modeling of internalities (self-modeling). |
| 07:24.22 | ArcanePariah | Computers can certainly do the former, the latter not so much |
| 07:24.53 | ArcanePariah | Unless you believe in the theories of AI rampancy found in various games |
| 07:31.19 | JademusSreg | Aaaand the results of a little dig: https://pastee.org/6du76 |
| 07:32.35 | JademusSreg | Love the naming conventions for their features. |
| 07:32.38 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 07:37.04 | G0A | what does "description " do in Objectives, that text doesnt show up anywhere as far I can tell |
| 07:37.48 | duckies | objective doesn't have any tooltips when hovering over it? |
| 07:37.52 | ArcanePariah | It is the hover tooltip |
| 07:38.44 | G0A | well it didnt show anything for me |
| 07:38.52 | G0A | will try again later |
| 07:39.46 | G0A | I wonder what will be these: |
| 07:39.47 | G0A | 00E74888d:\work\branches\2.0.j\code\game\source\battlenet\tumor\String.cpp(125):Data[capacity] |
| 07:39.48 | G0A | 00E74918d:\work\branches\2.0.j\code\game\source\battlenet\tumor\HashMap.h(443) |
| 07:39.48 | G0A | 00E74990d:\Work\branches\2.0.j\Code\Game\Source\BattleNet\Tumor\TumorManager.cpp(122):TumorManagerImplementation |
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| 07:41.38 | JademusSreg | I reiterate, love their names for features. |
| 07:42.26 | JademusSreg | Tumor, Comsat, Tendril, Nydus |
| 07:44.51 | ArcanePariah | Jade, since the synchronous game loops in 1/16th second intervals, can I assume that will also be the smallest cooldown possible? |
| 07:45.54 | JademusSreg | Yes, sorta. Using that value for a cooldown probably don't do anything, depending on if more than 1 order can resolve per tick. |
| 07:46.02 | JademusSreg | *won't |
| 07:46.43 | ArcanePariah | So having no cooldown is the same has 1/16th second cooldown |
| 07:46.47 | JademusSreg | So I'd advise testing if an ability with no cooldown will when ordered resolve multiple times per tick. |
| 07:46.58 | JademusSreg | Yeah, pretty sure, but haven't tested it. |
| 07:47.27 | ArcanePariah | Well, my game sadly has one and apparently (and I think it is related to the reexcutable flag) with macros, people are able to fire dozens of shots in one tick |
| 07:48.00 | JademusSreg | I -have- tested if a cooldown of 0.0625 and update/order period of the same has any effect, and it doesn't/. |
| 07:48.07 | ArcanePariah | So I dunno if having no cooldown lets that be possible or having the reexutable flag set |
| 07:48.26 | JademusSreg | Yeah, definitely should test. |
| 07:49.15 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, I'll rig up a macro and see what happens |
| 07:58.23 | JademusSreg | Done compiling layout frame elements for the evening; dealing with standard UI is easy, but teasing out the hidden frame types and elements from client and editor strings is a chore necessitating much context and guessing. |
| 08:04.54 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so test one, no cooldown (cooldown set to 0) and reexcutable flag set to off, using the same button dozens of times (in my case a smart command and right click) will do ALL of them |
| 08:05.09 | ArcanePariah | Fired a bajillion shots at once, was beautiful |
| 08:05.14 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 08:08.47 | ArcanePariah | Ok, with cooldown set to 1/16th, same results XD |
| 08:09.34 | JademusSreg | How many events fire per tick? Also, testing with and without the respammable flag? |
| 08:09.57 | ArcanePariah | Respammable as in "Transient" or "Reexcutable"? |
| 08:10.06 | JademusSreg | The latter. |
| 08:10.30 | ArcanePariah | Without |
| 08:11.05 | ArcanePariah | then again, it may be impossible for sc2 to detect that my mouse is sending so many key commands as a macro |
| 08:11.29 | JademusSreg | Figured you'd have used trigger to send the order, but that's neat. |
| 08:12.20 | ArcanePariah | Welp even if 1/8th second cooldown, game still lets me fire billion shots at once |
| 08:12.37 | JademusSreg | Paste the xml. |
| 08:12.38 | Stewox | hey guys |
| 08:12.45 | Stewox | how do i import triggers ? |
| 08:12.51 | Stewox | with the GUI |
| 08:12.59 | Stewox | so i don't have to redo it all |
| 08:13.18 | JademusSreg | New > Library; move shit to library; Export Library |
| 08:13.37 | Stewox | oh so i have to open that map, and make new lib |
| 08:13.38 | ArcanePariah | Well I'm going to test without transient flag |
| 08:13.46 | Stewox | how do i move to it, never done this before ? |
| 08:14.31 | JademusSreg | After making the new library, select multiple elements with shift click or ctrl click, drag to library folder. |
| 08:14.52 | Stewox | ok |
| 08:15.28 | Stewox | another small question |
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| 08:15.40 | Stewox | is there a modifiable flag in sc2 ? |
| 08:15.44 | Stewox | actual flag |
| 08:16.01 | Stewox | like country flag |
| 08:16.05 | Stewox | usa flag |
| 08:16.13 | JademusSreg | Er, no. |
| 08:16.14 | ArcanePariah | Ok, without transient flag, it no longer fires a ton at once, it queues them up |
| 08:16.23 | ArcanePariah | Going to try longer cooldowns |
| 08:16.38 | Stewox | so i would have to make it in 3DSMAX jademus ? |
| 08:16.52 | DeadZergling | out of curiosity ArcanePariah, whatchu talkin' bout? |
| 08:16.53 | JademusSreg | Stew, oh, you mean a model asset. |
| 08:16.58 | Stewox | indeed |
| 08:17.21 | JademusSreg | In that case, yes, there are flags. Easy to reskin manually, or hexedit, or texture swap. |
| 08:17.35 | Stewox | texture swap is all i need |
| 08:17.43 | Stewox | just the flag, not the pole |
| 08:18.08 | Stewox | please give me more pointers i would appreciate it so much! |
| 08:18.22 | Stewox | how is it called, probably sits in doodads right ? |
| 08:18.39 | JademusSreg | Flags tend to have poles. Could open the console, use the browse command, search filter flag. |
| 08:18.54 | Stewox | oh i found a Korhal flag |
| 08:19.30 | Stewox | but you mentioned 3 different things, hexedit, reskin, texture swap, which would work best if I only want to change texture on the flapping flag |
| 08:19.44 | Stewox | the pole can stay the same texture |
| 08:20.06 | JademusSreg | Any of them, but texture swap requires the least effort and least overhead. |
| 08:20.30 | ArcanePariah | DeadZergling, we talking about a smart command and how no cooldown affects it, given that people (like me) can use mice with macros to simulate dozens/hundreds of right clicks atonce |
| 08:20.38 | JademusSreg | Hexediting or reskinning the asset would require reimporting a modified asset. |
| 08:20.39 | Stewox | ooooh they are separate, seems like it has more variations, probably a separate texture attached to model |
| 08:20.57 | ArcanePariah | So I'm examing how flags and cooldowns affects how fast one can use an ability, even in the presence of macros |
| 08:21.04 | Stewox | well i never done a texture swap or anything of these sorts ... |
| 08:21.08 | DeadZergling | ah, yea super click macros can be rather powerful :) |
| 08:21.40 | ArcanePariah | By using the transient flag, the game will register events and execute them at the same time, so a smart command issues 500 x in one tick will all happen at once |
| 08:21.44 | Stewox | i can see 3 variations of this same doodad, can I easily make more variations without much work after ? |
| 08:22.08 | ArcanePariah | In my games case, it is a gunship so it will unleash hell to say the least :D |
| 08:22.31 | ArcanePariah | But people are currently complaing because those with click macros are virutally autokilling bosses |
| 08:22.38 | ArcanePariah | So not so fun |
| 08:23.00 | DeadZergling | yea, main limiters are energy or cooldowns |
| 08:23.13 | JademusSreg | Stew: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/20772-data-actor-events-message-texture-select-by-id/ |
| 08:24.27 | DeadZergling | remember one RPG i played on sc2, i picked the wizard type class |
| 08:24.42 | DeadZergling | had an ability, did about 30 damage each click, was rather annoying to kill just about anything |
| 08:24.51 | DeadZergling | so had to use macros just to make it through the game, lol |
| 08:25.32 | ArcanePariah | There is another more effective limiter, charges |
| 08:26.15 | ArcanePariah | Which in my case, does indeed to block click macros entirely |
| 08:26.24 | ArcanePariah | does indeed work* |
| 08:27.03 | JademusSreg | Does the design require the transient flag? |
| 08:27.09 | ArcanePariah | No, I have removed it |
| 08:27.16 | ArcanePariah | And now used charges instead of cooldown |
| 08:27.32 | ArcanePariah | With the charge regen timer being far more effective |
| 08:33.50 | DeadZergling | boy, korhal has some ugly flags |
| 08:35.24 | ArcanePariah | In other news, Amazon is going fullbore into automated delivery, currently researching same day delivary with drones... |
| 08:35.24 | DeadZergling | just seeing them wants me to call everyone comrade |
| 08:35.49 | JademusSreg | Just hope one builds a hatchery on my lawn. |
| 08:36.09 | Stewox | thanks jademus |
| 08:36.15 | DeadZergling | sounds a little too ahead of its time |
| 08:36.23 | JademusSreg | Delivery for a case of redbull -and- my own brood? Hell yeah. |
| 08:37.00 | Stewox | hmm some of the tut images are missing ... |
| 08:37.00 | DeadZergling | Hope they include a little checkbox on order |
| 08:37.19 | DeadZergling | Yes, I would like insurance in case my package is delivered through my roof. |
| 08:37.24 | ArcanePariah | lol |
| 08:38.01 | ArcanePariah | Yes, Bezos says it won't be practical for another 4 years |
| 08:39.42 | DeadZergling | Until Skynet becomes self aware |
| 08:41.54 | JademusSreg | Naw, sapience isn't an XOR state, more of a sliding scale. Economic superorganisms are probably more self-aware than mere networked computers. =D |
| 08:43.14 | Stewox | not really surprising you drink all that toxic stuff |
| 08:43.18 | DeadZergling | only joking of course |
| 08:44.13 | DeadZergling | IRL, skynet would become self aware, only to be thwarted by some toddler finding a keyboard and hitting it for awhile |
| 08:45.38 | DeadZergling | or worse yet, become self-aware on my wife's computer, only to inevitably die in a year or less due to poor upkeep |
| 08:46.14 | Stewox | model variations are separate and fused with data or are they hardwired into the model ? |
| 08:47.32 | Stewox | deadzergling: http://www.r-sw.com/custimages/dd395-net%20%28s%29.jpg |
| 08:48.19 | DeadZergling | That's amusing, considering the internet was originally for use by the government in the first place, defense/military stuff |
| 08:49.41 | Stewox | what about this one http://www.r-sw.com/custimages/dd395-choice%20(s).jpg |
| 08:51.25 | Stewox | or this one http://www.r-sw.com/custimages/dd395-Enter%20%28s%29.jpg |
| 08:52.23 | DeadZergling | with those sorts of image finding abilities, finding a new look for a flag shouldn't be hard Stewox |
| 08:52.36 | Stewox | exactly |
| 08:53.52 | JademusSreg | Hah |
| 08:54.36 | Stewox | emm |
| 08:54.39 | Stewox | model variations are separate and fused with data or are they hardwired into the model ? |
| 08:54.57 | JademusSreg | Former. |
| 08:55.17 | Stewox | afai am looking, seem fuse |
| 08:55.19 | Stewox | dd |
| 08:55.21 | Stewox | but |
| 08:55.30 | JademusSreg | Also, everything is toxic*. |
| 08:55.31 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 08:55.32 | Stewox | I have a flag doodad, with 3 death animations |
| 08:55.42 | Stewox | but only one actor model |
| 08:56.41 | JademusSreg | Accurate observation. Question absent. Resuming operations. |
| 08:57.31 | Stewox | well i see only one m3 |
| 08:57.42 | Stewox | the actor links to one model |
| 08:57.47 | Stewox | but it says it has 3 variations |
| 08:58.00 | DeadZergling | which it does, after you texture select by ID |
| 08:58.01 | Stewox | i can preview only one, don't know how to switch between |
| 08:58.08 | DeadZergling | you'll need to do a modelswap in the creation actor probably |
| 08:58.09 | Stewox | where |
| 08:58.20 | DeadZergling | link Jade gave you earlier |
| 08:58.29 | Stewox | yes but there is no other model to select |
| 08:58.37 | Stewox | i found Korhal_Flag_00 |
| 08:58.46 | Stewox | but there is no 01 or more afaik |
| 08:59.23 | Stewox | Korhal Flag Death has 01 02 and 03 |
| 08:59.37 | DeadZergling | same model, different varieties to pick from |
| 09:00.20 | JademusSreg | Alt ` (tilde, not aposthrophe) opens the Console. Enter command browse and enter KorhalFlag into the Search filter field. |
| 09:00.32 | JademusSreg | *apostrophe haha |
| 09:01.45 | Stewox | I just want to make them separate |
| 09:01.59 | Stewox | and i'll make more manual variations |
| 09:02.05 | Stewox | because i need more than 3 anyways |
| 09:02.31 | DeadZergling | tough noogies for you then unless you decent with model editing |
| 09:02.37 | DeadZergling | have to work with it the way it is |
| 09:02.53 | Stewox | why ? |
| 09:03.02 | Stewox | i want texture swap |
| 09:03.09 | Stewox | and I need 5 different flags |
| 09:03.10 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of Dorothy Parker's quip, "You can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think." |
| 09:03.26 | Stewox | i don't want to mess with variations at all, i want them as separate doodads |
| 09:03.51 | Stewox | sorry I don't watch movies |
| 09:03.52 | DeadZergling | well stewox, afraid I now have an image link for you |
| 09:03.54 | DeadZergling | https://images.encyclopediadramatica.es/f/fd/Picard-no-facepalm.jpg |
| 09:04.38 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmm, anyways, have you ever used a model swap in actor events Stewox ? |
| 09:05.23 | Stewox | i can't even find the other variations .... ofcourse not |
| 09:05.35 | Stewox | no |
| 09:05.48 | DeadZergling | well basically, many models, such as civilian, infested civilian, etc |
| 09:05.56 | DeadZergling | have multiple variations |
| 09:06.08 | DeadZergling | using that, you can have it always use the variation you want |
| 09:07.49 | DeadZergling | i do know the current tutorial has, missing parts |
| 09:08.07 | DeadZergling | I had this same complaint not long ago |
| 09:09.23 | DeadZergling | is a youtube video of this out there, the quality is kind of terribad, but it gives you the basic idea |
| 09:09.35 | Stewox | what if |
| 09:09.39 | Stewox | i copy the doodad |
| 09:09.44 | Stewox | remove the variations |
| 09:09.53 | Stewox | and get it done :) |
| 09:09.59 | Stewox | i'll make 5 copies |
| 09:10.01 | Stewox | done |
| 09:10.20 | DeadZergling | https://images.encyclopediadramatica.es/f/fd/Picard-no-facepalm.jpg is how I feel about that |
| 09:10.24 | Stewox | im looking at it 10 minutes, i can't find how to view different variations |
| 09:10.24 | DeadZergling | but good luck |
| 09:10.30 | Stewox | fuck them |
| 09:11.09 | DeadZergling | variations are easy to view, can either place the unit and change the variation on terrain |
| 09:11.17 | DeadZergling | or change the variation in the cutscene editor |
| 09:11.22 | Stewox | this tutorial is out of date, i do not have the buttons the tutuoral shows me to click |
| 09:23.30 | G0A | DeadZergling http://i.stack.imgur.com/jiFfM.jpg |
| 09:24.05 | Stewox | EH |
| 09:24.13 | Stewox | i don't want texture swap |
| 09:24.16 | Stewox | lol |
| 09:24.37 | Stewox | now i figured it out |
| 09:24.51 | Stewox | i don't care about reimporting assets |
| 09:24.58 | Stewox | 3 variations are not enough anyways |
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| 09:54.02 | JademusSreg | Observation: Strange that user data doesn't have a boolean field type. |
| 10:04.38 | JademusSreg | While using raw bool values is bad for readability, semantically meaningful wrappers are acceptable. |
| 10:16.09 | DeadZergling | heh, forgot how amazingly bad a missile can look before tuning it |
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| 10:20.25 | DeadZergling | Hello Zolden |
| 10:22.35 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 10:24.19 | JademusSreg | Observation: Adding user type data instances through the dialog automatically adds [Default] instance before all other instances, and cannot be renamed. However, modifying the XML allows the instance to be renamed. |
| 10:27.10 | Bommes | Hola. |
| 10:27.30 | JademusSreg | Aloha. |
| 10:29.46 | JademusSreg | Bom, you may enjoy some stuff I extracted from SC2; is useless, it's at least amusing in some parts: https://pastee.org/6du76 |
| 10:29.52 | JademusSreg | *if useless |
| 10:32.04 | Zolden | DeadZergling hey |
| 10:32.09 | Zolden | added 1 more wave |
| 10:37.21 | DeadZergling | that's good, too bad ranged is gimped too bad for me to sanely get past stage 20 lately, lol |
| 10:37.29 | Bommes | ah, checking it out now Jade |
| 10:39.08 | Bommes | "http://nydus.battle.net", I think Blizzard is venturing into the pron business. |
| 10:39.30 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 10:39.33 | Bommes | Can't blame them, their audience might be pretty excited about that |
| 10:39.45 | JademusSreg | Nydus link natives were added back in 1.5 |
| 10:40.09 | DeadZergling | might be less excited when it gets to zerg on protoss pron, complete with egg laying afterwards |
| 10:40.33 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/ru8d5 |
| 10:40.50 | JademusSreg | At the time, the infrastructure wasn't in place to make use of it. |
| 10:40.58 | JademusSreg | But perhaps now, it might actually do something. |
| 10:41.05 | Bommes | Does anyone know what the "*.cur" data type looks like? Since it gets referenced for their cursor in some way ("BlizzardCursor.cur"). |
| 10:41.19 | Bommes | otherwise I'll google it in a sec |
| 10:42.17 | JademusSreg | https://www.google.com/search?q=cursor+file+.cur |
| 10:44.51 | JademusSreg | Also, made this in a mere minute: https://pastee.org/t8kcj |
| 10:45.23 | Bommes | Are there any news about patch 2.1? |
| 10:45.36 | Bommes | since they announced at Blizzcon that it will be live before the end of 2013 |
| 10:45.49 | Bommes | so technically there aren't a lot of weeks left |
| 10:47.14 | JademusSreg | No news. |
| 10:48.05 | Bommes | oh, the different IDs are really useful indeed |
| 10:49.02 | Bommes | I think most of them are visible in the GUI as well, but it's nice to have them in a list :) |
| 10:49.28 | Bommes | or that actually is the exact list that is visible in the GUI I would imagine? |
| 10:49.34 | JademusSreg | Made these little enums so I can define the default control keys for ability controls also defined in user data. |
| 10:49.40 | Bommes | since it shows the String IDs |
| 10:50.45 | Bommes | you can link ability commands in user data? |
| 10:50.52 | JademusSreg | The instance index corresponds to the int value in the code, which makes compiling the user data to code structure / querying a snap. |
| 10:50.56 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 10:51.26 | Bommes | :O |
| 10:51.45 | JademusSreg | Are ye not familiar with the User Type data and UserData API? |
| 10:52.25 | Bommes | haven't used it yet, so not really no |
| 10:52.36 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/4927e |
| 10:52.37 | Bommes | I probably should use it though |
| 10:53.06 | Bommes | since it would simplify some things I want to do and give a little more structure to the whole thing |
| 10:55.08 | JademusSreg | Feature blurb: Make your own structures in the data editor and their own instances. Flag fields as modifiable to change them at runtime. Fully indexed for easy iteration. Separate content from code for more readable program logic. Load and unload values from data tables. Serialization features by saving/loading values with banks. |
| 10:55.11 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 11:10.12 | JademusSreg | has an idea. |
| 11:11.56 | JademusSreg | Turns out there are some User Type / UserData tutorials. =D |
| 11:12.17 | JademusSreg | Introduction from 2012: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/40784-data-trigger-script-introduction-to-user-type-records/ |
| 11:12.37 | JademusSreg | More recent tutorial from 2013: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/49018-data-triggers-getting-started-with-user-types/ |
| 11:14.06 | Bommes | yeah I read these after 1.5 came out out of general curiosity :) Thought I'd use them, and I actually have some already implemented things where user data would simplify the implementation a lot |
| 11:14.37 | Bommes | but I never actually got around to actually do it, but I'm actually tackling it right now |
| 11:14.43 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 11:15.20 | Bommes | and it also gave me some ideas to expand on my current health orb drop system |
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| 11:17.19 | Bommes | Hmm, in the last couple of days someone in the SC2M forums also mentioned the rainbow archon from 2 years ago again, and I remembered that I still don't know how exactly the Blizzard guys synchronized the color changes for the attack beam and the portrait with the color changes of the unit actor. |
| 11:17.45 | JademusSreg | See Specter for reference. |
| 11:18.10 | JademusSreg | Or Spectre. Whichever. |
| 11:18.36 | JademusSreg | Or see HotS hero portrait stuff. |
| 11:19.09 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/45/463/hjkl.gif |
| 11:19.14 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/45/464/g.gif |
| 11:19.47 | JademusSreg | Delph, that is glorious. |
| 11:19.48 | Delphinium | I am trying to make a Dragon Breath bullet |
| 11:20.28 | JademusSreg | Have you got a Delphy's Playhouse thread on the modeling forum? I imagine people would enjoy such things. |
| 11:20.59 | Delphinium | :) |
| 11:22.23 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/49267-sc2-particle-test-of-star-tools/?page=16#p318 |
| 11:22.23 | Delphinium | Thanks, I will keep refresh that thread, and if you guys like any of them please let me know. 0.0 |
| 11:24.10 | JademusSreg | Modelers of your skill need their own topic, at the very least. People would enjoy having access to even incomplete/WIP models of such quality. |
| 11:24.11 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 11:25.06 | Bommes | glorious as always Delph :) The only thing that looks a bit weird is the lighting for the marauder shot effect |
| 11:28.17 | Delphinium | Oh, that's a effect which inside the Marauder model, but next time I will add an m3a for Marauder to fix it if it's needed. |
| 11:28.45 | Bommes | oh right, it's that weird marauder attack launch model |
| 11:28.50 | Bommes | my bad :) looks great! |
| 11:29.40 | Delphinium | :) |
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| 11:31.57 | Delphinium | Thanks |
| 11:33.18 | Bommes | I think the Marauder model as a whole is relatively old or was the first model made by a new artist in their team or something, because it has some weird differences compared to all their other models |
| 11:33.48 | Bommes | like some of the attack launch particles are part of the attack animation, there is that lighting thing going on, etc |
| 11:35.05 | Delphinium | It in deed looks like the first block models, a lot of old animations and in-model effects is contained in that model. |
| 11:36.51 | Delphinium | some parts of it are hard to modify and the meshes are too simple to twist when we want to make some complex animations |
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| 11:56.35 | Bommes | Jade, so I managed to synch up the whole Portrait color change, but I'm not sure how to approach synching up the attack beam actor since the actor gets created and destroyed all the time. |
| 11:57.29 | Bommes | and the spectre and hots heroes only make use of referencing the portrait of the unit as far as I can tell so I see no reference there. |
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| 12:05.22 | Tolkfan | Did blizz ever add a way to check server time and date? |
| 12:06.21 | G0A | nope |
| 12:06.34 | G0A | I am asking for it since beta |
| 12:07.03 | Tolkfan | :( |
| 12:11.11 | Stewox | what it is exactly |
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| 12:12.26 | DeadZergling | well off to bed, nearly have the Alcohol throwing down JademusSreg, lol |
| 12:15.40 | A1win | Tolkfan, last time we talked about it with the blizz guys, they said it has technical difficulties like when you pause a game, the server time keeps going... they did say it might be possible to allow accessing server time as it was when the map started, though, but haven't heard of it since |
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| 12:41.24 | JademusSreg | Backish. |
| 12:41.38 | Bommes | Jade, ohh okay, I always wondered why the inherit properties doesn't work for the attack actors and something like that, but it actually does if you properly set the Host field and everything |
| 12:41.47 | JademusSreg | Yar. |
| 12:41.52 | Bommes | so yeah, finally figured that one out |
| 12:41.59 | JademusSreg | Hope the portrait examples were informative. |
| 12:42.18 | Bommes | yeah they helped too, although I was still confused about the attack actors |
| 12:42.21 | Bommes | but figured it out by now :) |
| 12:42.25 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 12:42.29 | Zolden | G0A they are having lots of fun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWNdeRtBmWA |
| 12:42.34 | Bommes | referencing actors is always confusing for me |
| 12:43.00 | Bommes | with scopes and aliases and system references and shit :D |
| 12:43.24 | JademusSreg | Understandable, they are the most abstract part of the actor system. |
| 12:44.11 | JademusSreg | When in doubt, study the standard data. |
| 12:44.39 | Bommes | true |
| 12:45.50 | Bommes | unless you manage to have different dependencies show up in the dependency list than the ones which are used in the map, so your map shows different functionality than the data that shows up in the editor. |
| 12:46.27 | Bommes | which as you are well aware I'm pretty good at. |
| 12:50.28 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of this discussion: https://pastee.org/kfddc |
| 12:50.54 | JademusSreg | (Also, I extract all the data and use that as a reference.) |
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| 12:56.16 | Bommes | well, everyone likes tits. it is known. |
| 13:00.22 | JademusSreg | Obscene neumonics tend to be more effective. =D |
| 13:01.06 | JademusSreg | *mneumonic |
| 13:01.30 | JademusSreg | (or mnemonic haha) |
| 13:16.45 | G0A | Zolden yeah I seen that video |
| 13:26.05 | JademusSreg | crashed the editor. |
| 13:27.34 | JademusSreg | Apparently changing a reference used by a requirement node and attempting to force the requirement to update by opening the dialog and closing it causes the editor to shit itself. |
| 13:30.33 | JademusSreg | I see why, haha. |
| 13:31.39 | JademusSreg | When it attempted to update the requirement node content, in the expression view seems it moved the Show text into an illegal position. |
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| 14:31.46 | A1win | http://work.gmunk.com/BOX-DEMO |
| 14:35.56 | JademusSreg | Not sure what I'm even looking at here, but it looks badass. |
| 14:37.06 | A1win | I think it's just 2D surfaces (monitors) that render stuff based on angle to the camera |
| 14:37.12 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
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| 14:51.59 | Kueken | A1win: That was posted before |
| 14:52.09 | A1win | oh no |
| 14:52.18 | Kueken | I have seen it a couple of weeks ago, pretty sure it was in this channel |
| 14:52.24 | Kueken | but its awesome indeed :DF |
| 14:52.30 | JademusSreg | Oh Yeah! </koolaid> |
| 14:54.48 | kingTD | where is zolden? |
| 14:55.12 | JademusSreg | In Russia, maybe. |
| 14:55.21 | JademusSreg | On Earth, almost certainly. |
| 14:56.22 | kingTD | lies |
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| 14:58.57 | JademusSreg | Naw, just potentially erroneous application of inferential reasoning. |
| 15:18.09 | EmperorZolden | kingTD he said true both times |
| 15:18.29 | EmperorZolden | trueth |
| 15:19.08 | EmperorZolden | truth |
| 15:27.35 | kingTD | ohhh |
| 15:27.46 | kingTD | forgot that u have other title too :/ |
| 15:27.56 | kingTD | so nigger any features for ur map? |
| 15:28.18 | kingTD | why still no fix for more reasonable gold mines upgrades and shit? |
| 15:29.13 | kingTD | still the mana cost sends cost a bit too much |
| 15:29.22 | kingTD | emperorzolden |
| 15:31.57 | EmperorZolden | Zolden |
| 15:32.19 | Zolden | added income to base uupgradse btw |
| 15:33.21 | Zolden | added 46 wave |
| 15:33.30 | Zolden | *36 |
| 15:33.35 | Zolden | maybe will add more today |
| 15:34.08 | Zolden | mana cost may be reducesd after more tests |
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| 15:39.27 | Stewox | jademussreg |
| 15:39.42 | Stewox | what about the other ways to do texture change for m3 |
| 15:39.54 | Stewox | i have them all here now, 8 of them |
| 15:40.08 | Stewox | they're all KorhalFlag_00.m3 |
| 15:40.19 | Stewox | I named them uniquely how i need |
| 15:40.36 | Stewox | so anything other I need to do before I import ? |
| 15:41.29 | JademusSreg | Reskin in 3dsmax/blender, hexedit the texture asset's texture paths, or texture select by id as described in the tutorial. |
| 15:41.35 | JademusSreg | Those are the options. |
| 15:42.24 | Stewox | I guess hexedit is the easiest and fasters, do you agree ? in this case |
| 15:42.59 | Stewox | yes I have to make textures separately and, well how do I know what size the texture needs to be etc ? |
| 15:43.26 | Stewox | oh ... then should I see what texture it uses and look at that one |
| 15:43.26 | JademusSreg | The technique is best applied where texture select by id is not possible, but if you want, it's easy. |
| 15:44.25 | JademusSreg | Use a hex editor (HexWorkshop for example), open the model, change the texture paths, simple enough. |
| 15:45.35 | Stewox | allright ... 2 paths that reference the korhal flag i can see |
| 15:46.15 | Stewox | do you know a hotkey for sc2 texture viewer ? |
| 15:46.26 | Stewox | so i don't have to go into data ... etc etc |
| 15:46.46 | JademusSreg | Alt ` to open Console, browse command |
| 15:47.20 | JademusSreg | (` is a tilde, not an apostrophe.) |
| 15:48.01 | Stewox | i know that button |
| 15:48.07 | Stewox | it's called cedilla here |
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| 15:49.24 | Stewox | it's the same location but not that character |
| 15:49.31 | Stewox | i have ¸ |
| 15:50.00 | JademusSreg | Menubar Window > Console |
| 15:50.13 | Stewox | or that indeed |
| 15:50.25 | Stewox | also |
| 15:50.35 | Stewox | kind of weird all these flags have different side |
| 15:50.37 | Stewox | size |
| 15:50.42 | JademusSreg | browse brings up an asset browser, and it won't cockblock the data editor. |
| 15:50.45 | Stewox | 128 and 256 and 512 |
| 15:51.11 | Stewox | but the flag doodad resizes them afterward |
| 15:54.54 | Bommes | if you just want to permanently change a texture that is just used once on a specific model you can also override the exact path and name of it with another texture and it will automatically favour the imported over existing ones |
| 15:56.25 | Bommes | also, that browse via the console is pretty neat :) do you have a list of console commands somewhere Jade? |
| 15:56.53 | JademusSreg | The console command provides a list if given the help command, iirc. |
| 15:57.10 | JademusSreg | It even has a very primitive chatbot. |
| 15:57.37 | Bommes | ah yes, thanks |
| 15:58.42 | Stewox | anyone has the points about sc2 DDS settings ? |
| 15:58.53 | Stewox | i did a few other games and kind of forgot about sc2 again |
| 15:59.11 | Stewox | DTX3 probably ... |
| 15:59.32 | JademusSreg | That works, but DTX5 has better quality. |
| 15:59.50 | Stewox | oh so they updated it ... good |
| 15:59.53 | JademusSreg | (Not to be confused with DTX5_NM for normals.) |
| 16:00.20 | Stewox | the flag uses standard, no diffuse nor normal, just one version |
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| 16:02.42 | Stewox | jademus load mipmaps ? |
| 16:02.54 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 16:03.10 | Stewox | ok |
| 16:03.14 | JademusSreg | SC2 doesn't use mipmaps at all, thankfully. |
| 16:10.24 | Stewox | allright now for the export settings jademussreg |
| 16:10.47 | Stewox | DXT5 interpolated alpha ? |
| 16:12.01 | Stewox | hmm but this one does not have alpha |
| 16:12.36 | Stewox | maybe im mixing stuff from the other games, which had to use different configs for different textures |
| 16:15.57 | A1win | how does Spacelight sound for a name? |
| 16:19.50 | A1win | too ambiguous? |
| 16:20.22 | JademusSreg | Dull. |
| 16:20.41 | JademusSreg | Carl Sagan's Cosmic Deathmatch |
| 16:21.55 | JademusSreg | Neil deGrasse Tyson's PunchOuterspace |
| 16:23.52 | A1win | space madness |
| 16:24.42 | JademusSreg | Hawking's Theory of Blackeye Radiation |
| 16:25.06 | Stewox | oh shit |
| 16:25.20 | Stewox | how do I change path inside jademus? |
| 16:25.30 | JademusSreg | With a hex editor. |
| 16:25.33 | Stewox | i imported now and didn't set any path i though it would throw in assets |
| 16:25.35 | Stewox | NO |
| 16:25.39 | Stewox | wait for me to explain |
| 16:25.42 | A1win | right click, move |
| 16:25.45 | Stewox | the import path for the dds |
| 16:25.48 | Stewox | it's none |
| 16:26.06 | Stewox | will it work or i need to make it into Assets/Textures |
| 16:26.16 | JademusSreg | The latter. |
| 16:26.39 | Stewox | okay how do I do that without reimporting ? |
| 16:26.43 | A1win | right click, move |
| 16:27.40 | Stewox | eh |
| 16:27.42 | Stewox | doesn't exist |
| 16:27.50 | A1win | move files |
| 16:27.52 | A1win | ctrl+M |
| 16:28.30 | A1win | in the import module |
| 16:30.30 | Stewox | there |
| 16:30.33 | Stewox | allright |
| 16:30.36 | Stewox | you could have told me :P |
| 16:30.42 | Stewox | i was still in the map |
| 16:30.58 | G0A | kingTD wanna play one game? |
| 16:34.13 | duckies | do it, it's a trap! |
| 16:34.18 | Stewox | i have a separate mod file for storing data a1win :) |
| 16:35.30 | G0A | duckies its mines and magic, so yes its a trap |
| 16:35.44 | duckies | ^^ |
| 16:35.57 | A1win | this naming business is maddening @.@ |
| 16:36.41 | A1win | like having a word stuck on the tip of my tongue for a couple of weeks ;> |
| 16:37.54 | JademusSreg | A1, not to undermine the creative process, but the name is unlikely to have much of an impact on its reception. |
| 16:38.48 | kingTD | G0A u there? |
| 16:39.03 | A1win | yeah, just said yesterday that most people probably wouldn't care if it was called Spaceship Battle, but I'd be annoyed myself for not having a proper name for it :P |
| 16:39.22 | JademusSreg | Could call it Celestial Rectum: Super Poops and it would be just as good. |
| 16:39.36 | Stewox | jademussreg, Unable to create model |
| 16:39.51 | G0A | A1win just name it to space invaders and everyone will try it at least for once for nostalgia. |
| 16:40.16 | A1win | private space intruders |
| 16:40.22 | JademusSreg | Stew, do you understand how the data works? |
| 16:40.26 | JademusSreg | A1, niiiice. |
| 16:40.38 | A1win | that one was from a cyanide & happiness strip :P |
| 16:40.46 | G0A | Private Anal Space Intruders |
| 16:40.59 | Stewox | I actually used 512x512 texture where the original has 128x128 ... but it's kind of weird because the smalles texture is the biggest flag in korhal variations |
| 16:41.24 | A1win | http://www.explosm.net/comics/940/ |
| 16:41.26 | Stewox | i'll first try DXT3 |
| 16:41.30 | A1win | oh |
| 16:41.34 | A1win | it was personal space invader |
| 16:41.42 | JademusSreg | Stew, doubt the texture is the issue. |
| 16:42.11 | A1win | (personal and private have the same word in Finnish) |
| 16:42.23 | A1win | *are the same word |
| 16:42.35 | JademusSreg | Makes sense. |
| 16:44.28 | A1win | or actually they do have different words but the contexts in which they are used don't always match the English counterpart |
| 16:45.54 | Stewox | actually i think i goofed something, standby |
| 16:53.49 | Stewox | jademus what about the name |
| 16:54.01 | Stewox | there are still references to KorhalFlag_00 |
| 16:54.03 | Stewox | ... |
| 17:04.42 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 17:08.51 | Stewox | i'll modify that as well |
| 17:09.10 | Stewox | seems like that's a name or something |
| 17:13.55 | Kueken | as for changing texture path in model files, you can do that in any text editor as well |
| 17:14.16 | Kueken | open the model in text editor, it will be mostly unreadable gibberish |
| 17:14.35 | Kueken | everything except the texture paths, which are perfectly readable |
| 17:15.03 | Kueken | changing them works, if you replace characters only. |
| 17:15.06 | JademusSreg | Well, that is doable, but with a caveat. |
| 17:15.17 | Kueken | adding or removing causes a checksum to fail or something |
| 17:16.12 | Kueken | that the caveat you were referring to, jade? |
| 17:16.35 | JademusSreg | Each path string is given a specific section of the memory, so if the texture path length differs from the original, it will cause problems. |
| 17:16.39 | Stewox | what if ... i must not change the filesize and just write over to change the paths hmmm ? |
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| 17:17.20 | JademusSreg | Hex editors can better deal with the issue, so I wouldn't trust a text editor if the texture path length is different. |
| 17:18.15 | Kueken | anyway, its hard for us to help you with your issue unless we know exactly what you did and how the model looks like now |
| 17:18.28 | Kueken | but "unable to load model" is usually unrelated to the texture |
| 17:18.41 | Kueken | if the texture fails, the model should show up pink |
| 17:19.08 | Kueken | if its not even loaded, either the model is broken or the link in data is invalid |
| 17:20.42 | Stewox | this shit doesn't work jademussreg |
| 17:20.49 | Stewox | i tried DXT1 too |
| 17:21.04 | Stewox | and the texture doesn't have alpha, so why the heck should i use DXT3 or 5 |
| 17:21.42 | Stewox | NOW HE TELLS ME |
| 17:22.18 | JademusSreg | Need to work on communication skills. |
| 17:23.18 | Stewox | but can I at least rename the filename ? |
| 17:23.32 | Stewox | i have 8 .m3's now |
| 17:26.06 | JademusSreg | Not even sure what you're doing at this point. |
| 17:30.11 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/45/468/22.gif |
| 17:30.18 | Delphinium | :) |
| 17:31.33 | JademusSreg | Adorable. |
| 17:32.25 | Stewox | okay jademus, im getting some progress, now to see which DXT works |
| 17:35.34 | Stewox | well not quite |
| 17:38.09 | Kueken | I don't think Renee would appreciate seeing herself dissipating like that |
| 17:38.43 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
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| 17:41.21 | Delphinium | Yea, I send the gif to Renee too, tomorrow maybe I will be killed. |
| 17:45.04 | JademusSreg | You will be missed. |
| 17:50.38 | Stewox | all I get jademussreg is a empty flag now :( |
| 17:51.43 | Stewox | OH NO |
| 17:51.47 | Stewox | I had to reboot the EDITOR |
| 17:51.49 | Stewox | IT WORKS |
| 17:52.06 | Bommes | man, I hope they fix that bug with main weapon effects not properly being linked in the object explorer/data navigator |
| 17:52.14 | Bommes | in the next patch |
| 17:52.50 | JademusSreg | Oh yeah, that is sucky. |
| 17:53.13 | A1win | still found some tweaking in loadout selection :X |
| 17:53.22 | A1win | *something to tweak |
| 17:54.13 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a108/SC2%202013-12-02%2019-53-26-42.jpg |
| 17:54.21 | A1win | highlights all the currently equipped weapons now |
| 17:54.41 | JademusSreg | Yay |
| 17:54.51 | A1win | (with brighter highlight on the slot that is being equipped to) |
| 17:55.09 | kingTD | G0A leave? |
| 17:55.13 | G0A | leave |
| 17:55.56 | A1win | hmm except that it fucks up if I swap weapons instead of just equip new one |
| 17:55.57 | G0A | its pathetic that people cant wait for 1 more minute to fill lobby up |
| 17:59.43 | A1win | fiiixed |
| 18:00.07 | A1win | hmm now what else can I do to procrastinate from creating the score board |
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| 18:06.57 | Stewox | brb |
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| 18:13.34 | JademusSreg | Zarflarglebarg garflobble tzopplegrop glorp chortledork. |
| 18:15.30 | JademusSreg | Gort snorbletorp? |
| 18:16.48 | JademusSreg | has been possessed by the ghost of Joyce. |
| 18:17.04 | A1win | nice try, I'm not going to fall for your gorblestorble- goddamit |
| 18:17.12 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 18:36.01 | A1win | if anyone ever makes a tomb raider map, they should call it LoraCraft |
| 18:36.49 | JademusSreg | Baduntssss |
| 18:38.31 | Zolden | JademusSreg Ixfloidable polkterstrations olbxweidolbraightering skrillable jorthickpoldians on the quee |
| 18:38.44 | Zolden | you know |
| 18:40.55 | JademusSreg | Badang aintifinest werdthatroughess flappasanovajoice addahaverferdered. |
| 18:41.23 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/45/470/1212.gif |
| 18:44.34 | Ahli | nice |
| 18:45.52 | JademusSreg | Tyraynorael. |
| 18:48.29 | Bommes | Hmm. |
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| 18:54.35 | Bommes | so the Modify Unit effect can not be used to modify the height of a unit into the negative? |
| 18:54.39 | Bommes | now that's just lame |
| 18:56.57 | duckies | those are nice wings, would be awesome to have that asset as an attachment to frely tyral-fy any unit |
| 18:57.21 | duckies | except for ultralisk... I wonder how would unltralisks winds look like :o |
| 18:57.39 | duckies | *wings |
| 19:03.37 | Ahli | bommes, you can't do that unless the base height is negative, too |
| 19:03.55 | Bommes | yeah I guess you can't reduce it below the base height of the unit or something |
| 19:04.07 | Bommes | still lame |
| 19:09.33 | Delphinium | Yea, the wing model is an attachment, mostly should attach to the Ref_Center |
| 19:10.04 | Delphinium | Ultralisk, maybe too too big 0.0 |
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| 19:10.43 | A1win | you just can't reduce it below 0 (from ground level) |
| 19:11.30 | A1win | if you set ignore terrain height on, a unit can go under the ground, otherwise ground level is the lowest height at which it can be |
| 19:22.33 | Bommes | A1win: You can reduce the height below the ground level if it's the unit base height |
| 19:22.47 | Bommes | you can't use modify unit or behaviors to reduce the height below that base height though |
| 19:23.07 | A1win | mmh, thought it didn't go lower than that when I tried |
| 19:23.27 | Bommes | oh and maybe there is a cap at the actual minimum height that you set in the terrain editor somewhere, that unwalkable low ground area, dunno about that |
| 19:26.24 | Kueken | Bommes: You can use site operations to lower the actor of the unit, so it hovers at something like -5 by default. Then you raise it by 5 and it appears normal. Then you can use behaviors or modify unit effects to lower it to 0 and it will be at -5 again ;) |
| 19:26.39 | Bommes | yeah that's what I'm doing right now |
| 19:26.42 | Bommes | that's so stupid though |
| 19:26.59 | Bommes | also I was confused why it wasn't working in the first place before I knew about that limitation |
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| 19:29.56 | Stewox | hey deadzergling remember about the image joke yesterday the frankenstein thing |
| 19:30.07 | Stewox | i got another one now |
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| 19:47.00 | A1win | err... you can bug the camera for a second if you hit follow unit group hotkey |
| 19:47.03 | A1win | any way to disable that? |
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| 19:50.39 | kingTD | Zolden how damage can be good? :/ damage is bad by any means |
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| 19:58.46 | Zandose | could someone direct me to a article on how to edit the in-games interface |
| 19:59.51 | ArcanePariah | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6471837878 |
| 19:59.55 | ArcanePariah | That's the basics |
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| 20:02.51 | Ownage | is there a flag or something I can set which will make a unit undetectable by enemies, even with detectors, but detectable by allies? |
| 20:02.59 | Ownage | aka visible/selectable |
| 20:03.05 | Zandose | ty |
| 20:07.01 | A1win | slowed down projectile velocities and gravitational pull by 10% so that it's easier to dodge stuff |
| 20:07.34 | Bommes | Kueken, do you happen to know if there is some kind of restriction in terms of applying a Rocker Site to an actor and modifying the Height of it at the same time? |
| 20:07.39 | A1win | since it was so difficult before |
| 20:08.27 | A1win | decreased healing by health kits from 25 to 20 |
| 20:08.52 | A1win | I'll start writing a changelog when I've added the missing features ;p |
| 20:10.47 | Bommes | http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewdepaula/2013/11/29/the-tron-like-toyota-fv2-concept-car-isnt-as-far-out-futuristic-as-it-sounds/?utm_campaign=techtwittersf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social |
| 20:11.54 | Bommes | "The FV2the name is short for Fun Vehicle 2aims to create a physical and emotional connection between man and machine." oO |
| 20:11.57 | Bommes | pretty intense |
| 20:11.58 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zolden (~a@88.135.0.21) |
| 20:13.05 | Bommes | "A function called Illumination even enables the FV2 to reflect the emotion of the driver in its changing body color." |
| 20:13.36 | Kueken | kingTD: Negative damage, damage to your enemy, the hero of a suburban fantasy storry called "Da Mage"... |
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| 20:14.33 | kingTD | positive dmg? |
| 20:14.34 | mille25 | hi |
| 20:14.50 | kingTD | hey u |
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| 20:18.16 | Kueken | Ownage: There is an undetectable flag, but I don't think you can make it only work for enemies |
| 20:18.32 | Kueken | *allies |
| 20:19.44 | Kueken | Bommes: I hardly worked with rocker sites. Do you experience an issue with it? |
| 20:19.51 | Zolden | kingTD what damage do you mean? |
| 20:20.08 | Bommes | yeah the modify height doesn't seem to work while a rocker site is applied |
| 20:20.18 | Deadzergling | Hi Zolden, thanks for making your map too hard, made me realize I need a noob area for my project |
| 20:20.26 | Bommes | I might have made a mistake though, I didn't try it for too long... |
| 20:20.33 | kingTD | Zolden discription of Berserker of butterfly dealling good damage |
| 20:22.36 | Zolden | kingTD how would you describe it? ass kicking damage? |
| 20:23.16 | Zolden | Deadzergling it's hard? when exactly? |
| 20:24.26 | kingTD | Zolden dealing ridiculous damage for low price just now! |
| 20:24.26 | Deadzergling | entire game, any units that were good are nerfed, just have to hope your enemies have worse luck than you. |
| 20:25.07 | Stewox | oh deadzergling is back |
| 20:25.18 | Zolden | i would say imba units become less op, but only few of them |
| 20:25.21 | Stewox | remember the frankenstein image joke |
| 20:25.23 | Zolden | sime are still rapy |
| 20:25.25 | Stewox | or what it was |
| 20:25.38 | Zandose | can one change the minimap to be a circle instead of a square? |
| 20:25.58 | Stewox | here I got another type of him, but it's the female version: http://www.r-sw.com/custimages/dd395-Feinstein-site.jpg |
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| 20:27.45 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 20:28.07 | Deadzergling | anyways Kueken, you said you couldn't help until after the weekend was over :) |
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| 20:28.14 | ArcanePariah | Ownage: You could place a behavior on the unit that doe a periodic search effect that places a buff on enemies only that supresses detection |
| 20:29.08 | Deadzergling | still finding images created by people who think everything is a conspiracy I see Stewox, the Nephilim eyes are a nice touch :P |
| 20:30.25 | JademusSreg | Nephlegm. =D |
| 20:31.15 | Deadzergling | by the way, does anyone know if anyone has made a rat or other rodent type model for SC2? |
| 20:31.18 | Deadzergling | be useful for a noob area |
| 20:31.24 | Stewox | deadzergling theory ? http://youtu.be/NeRR7MwllH8?t=18s |
| 20:33.35 | Zolden | acid ling was called "rat ling" |
| 20:33.38 | Stewox | just making sure you all see that correctly, that was 1995 yes |
| 20:33.43 | Zolden | by duckies |
| 20:33.56 | Zolden | it has brighty eyes |
| 20:34.08 | Deadzergling | hrrrmm, didn't see it in assets |
| 20:34.20 | Stewox | man I have sc2 cursor shit bug |
| 20:34.23 | Zolden | i can upload it |
| 20:34.24 | Stewox | hate |
| 20:35.10 | Deadzergling | if duckies is okay with it, sure |
| 20:35.37 | Deadzergling | just want to stuff some extra wimpy stuff in town to hopefully make my map less hardcore from the start, lol |
| 20:36.34 | Zolden | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/45/472/creep_4_acidling.m3 |
| 20:37.06 | Zolden | uploadling |
| 20:37.52 | Deadzergling | any dds or tga needed with it? |
| 20:38.04 | Zolden | it uses standard textures |
| 20:39.02 | Deadzergling | cool, I did finally understand texture select by ID by the way |
| 20:39.12 | Deadzergling | courtesy of Bounty, lol |
| 20:43.16 | Ownage | ArcanePariah, what I meant actually by enemies is enemy players |
| 20:47.46 | JademusSreg | Reality is vastly more complex in breadth and subtle in the depth of its chaotic mechanical intercourse than the innumerable imperious descriptions of common persons. Those ideas which posit simplistic, relatable agents and actions are automatically suspect; conspiracy theories trade uncertainty and tentative knowledge for children's scary stories and abolition of personal responsibility. |
| 20:49.25 | JademusSreg | Or to put it another way, anything that is facile enough for such persons to believe should be automatically rejected. |
| 20:49.32 | Ownage | oh, undetectable worked out.. obvious |
| 20:51.13 | Deadzergling | Thanks Zolden, got it, wouldn't mind hearing from duckies though, don't like using models without permission |
| 20:53.49 | duckies | dz, it's zoldens model from his mines&magic |
| 20:54.07 | duckies | I just pointed out that it looks like a rat someday |
| 20:54.50 | JademusSreg | Rescale the predator model, lower the Z to make it look more squat. |
| 20:54.54 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:55.40 | Deadzergling | ah my mistake, way he worded it, I thought it was yours |
| 20:56.16 | Deadzergling | that's true JademusSreg, that and a reskin might make it more rat-like |
| 20:56.44 | Zandose | Again, could someone direct me too a article explaining what i can edit or change when I hookup/change a in-game UI (minimap) |
| 20:57.20 | Deadzergling | helral is the main expert on that, Zandose |
| 20:57.38 | Deadzergling | is a tutorial or two by him about that stuff |
| 20:57.49 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:57.58 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/paste/7445/ |
| 20:58.23 | Zandose | ^ you hate me dont you? :) |
| 20:58.37 | Deadzergling | no, JademusSreg just has issues |
| 20:58.57 | Deadzergling | he thinks everyone can just read code pastes and understand everything from them like he does |
| 20:58.59 | JademusSreg | The next version should be more readable, but basically it lists all* the frame types and the elements they support, and their frame class inheritence structure. |
| 20:59.06 | Deadzergling | this just isn't true JademusSreg :P |
| 20:59.10 | Zandose | ill understand it given enough time |
| 20:59.25 | JademusSreg | (*all in the sense of when I compiled it several patches ago) |
| 21:00.07 | JademusSreg | The constants are a shorthand to indicate the value type accepted by the elements. |
| 21:00.24 | Zandose | took me a while last time to understand a 1000 page pdf file which tells to how auto insurance is done for certain cars. |
| 21:01.26 | Zandose | but i think in this game ill just run some in-game tests instead of reading it |
| 21:01.57 | Zolden | Deadzergling he has nothing to do with this model except the fact that he has rat association |
| 21:02.15 | Zolden | oh, he said it yet |
| 21:02.19 | Deadzergling | yea, that is clear now Zolden |
| 21:02.24 | Deadzergling | it wasn't at all earlier :) |
| 21:02.47 | Deadzergling | replace yet with already by the way, makes more sense |
| 21:02.52 | Zandose | but a question before i start. when using triggers to hookup a UI panel its edited as a dialog item. what about the dialog itself? can i get and edit it? |
| 21:03.31 | JademusSreg | Deadz, wouldn't one want to understand the primitives of a system and thereby know how to do All The Shit? =D |
| 21:05.34 | Deadzergling | Sure, although I'm sure most would appreciate an existent comment section to go along with it |
| 21:06.12 | JademusSreg | Well, there is the stickied topic in the UI forum about the paste, hmmmmm. |
| 21:06.13 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 21:06.28 | A1win | Puny Little Spaceships ? |
| 21:06.44 | JademusSreg | A1, PLS isn't a fun acronym. |
| 21:06.50 | A1win | ;p |
| 21:07.17 | Deadzergling | A1win, you may as well just pick a name and go with it |
| 21:07.22 | Deadzergling | before it gets torn apart in here |
| 21:07.27 | A1win | why would I do that? |
| 21:07.46 | A1win | before what gets torn apart? :x |
| 21:07.49 | Deadzergling | people in here have a gripe about just about everything |
| 21:08.03 | Deadzergling | I'm just saying, no matter what name you pick for your map |
| 21:08.11 | Deadzergling | someone here is going to have something bad to say about it |
| 21:08.23 | A1win | that's why I'm asking here |
| 21:08.32 | A1win | if I agree with those comments, I won't pick the name |
| 21:08.38 | Deadzergling | you want to hear bad things about your ideas every time? |
| 21:09.08 | A1win | yeah? ;p |
| 21:09.14 | JademusSreg | Potenz Nacht Spaceships |
| 21:09.15 | ArcanePariah | Zandose, you can also use the ingame UI editor, Press Ctr+Alt-F12 to view it |
| 21:09.22 | Deadzergling | Powerful Little Spaceships would go over better anyways |
| 21:09.34 | JademusSreg | That acronym should please Kueken. |
| 21:09.36 | Deadzergling | no one wants to command a puny ship |
| 21:10.03 | Kueken | I can live with that |
| 21:10.06 | Deadzergling | PLS is far better than PNS, may as well just name it Dicks in Space |
| 21:10.37 | Kueken | I like it on about 3 levels |
| 21:12.09 | Stewox | deadzergling theory ? http://truthstreammedia.com/study-proves-vaccines-not-vaccine-refusers-are-behind-whooping-cough-outbreaks/ |
| 21:12.18 | JademusSreg | Potenz-Nacht Spaceships. So much comical slogan potential. |
| 21:12.48 | Stewox | i'll stop teasing you and give you the real deal just bookmark it and check it out later, that's all www.thepeoplesvoice.tv/watchnow |
| 21:13.14 | Stewox | now i have to reboot my pc due to SC2 shit cursor corrupt bug |
| 21:13.31 | kingTD | Zolden snow queen op and very too good |
| 21:13.32 | Deadzergling | Sigh, not everyone thinks about conspiracies all day Stewox |
| 21:13.42 | kingTD | with magical builder it deals like thousands of dmg |
| 21:13.48 | Zolden | kingTD which abil of hers makes her op? |
| 21:14.03 | Stewox | you found one :) |
| 21:14.11 | kingTD | splahs and right click quite nice |
| 21:14.18 | JademusSreg | As said earlier, basically, if Stew can understand it, it's almost certainly wrong. |
| 21:14.22 | Zolden | right click? |
| 21:14.26 | Stewox | start counting time when I go offline and back again, let's see how fast my PC reboots |
| 21:14.41 | kingTD | it gets 60 dmg from dmg buff from magical fuckers |
| 21:14.53 | Zolden | kingTD haven't you noticed that sliding units become more volnurable? |
| 21:15.15 | Deadzergling | so very kind of you, JademusSreg |
| 21:15.18 | kingTD | yeah they dont attack so its like spalsh stun |
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| 21:16.06 | Stewox | back |
| 21:16.08 | Stewox | :D |
| 21:16.15 | Stewox | how long was I gone ? |
| 21:16.28 | Zolden | kingTD her snowball attack is not aoe btw |
| 21:16.38 | Deadzergling | here Zolden, you should appreciate this comic: http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=3192#comic |
| 21:16.40 | kingTD | anyawys |
| 21:16.51 | Zolden | kingTD ok, nerfing the bitch |
| 21:16.54 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure I'm not very kind, but I may be mistaken. |
| 21:16.57 | kingTD | then the splash abil disable is very too good |
| 21:17.08 | Stewox | powah of SSD :P |
| 21:17.15 | Zolden | Deadzergling yea |
| 21:17.51 | Deadzergling | You aren't, and I am very sarcastic |
| 21:18.03 | kingTD | Zolden now sliding takes about 2-4 secs its really op |
| 21:18.08 | JademusSreg | Ah, cool. |
| 21:20.18 | Stewox | deadzergling ... what about something more calm and well documented in mainstream http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tgwh3HpsM |
| 21:20.35 | Kueken | JademusSreg: You remember the old way of attaching models, right? creating new actors with site ops on unit birth and such |
| 21:20.36 | kingTD | Zolden had 6 snow queens so yeah |
| 21:20.47 | kingTD | G0A finally got great eco |
| 21:20.54 | G0A | :) |
| 21:20.56 | kingTD | while i got snow queens |
| 21:21.10 | kingTD | basicly over macroing is really shit |
| 21:21.12 | JademusSreg | Kueken, yeah, it was terrible, so few people did it outside of Cortex RP, I imagine. =D |
| 21:21.13 | G0A | finally I didnt had 3 mine with 4 stations... |
| 21:21.13 | Stewox | so if anyone knows anyone who has autism, it's just another word for mercury poisoning |
| 21:21.16 | Kueken | I am trying to replicate attaching the main unit actor to an attachment |
| 21:21.37 | Stewox | anyways G0A, pictionary updates plz so it'll be done for the next mapnight plz :) |
| 21:21.40 | Kueken | it is possible using the old method by just not defining a site operation |
| 21:21.51 | Kueken | and then attaching the main unit actor to the attachment |
| 21:22.19 | Kueken | the attachment follows the scope of the unit without being attachet itself, so it wouldn't form an attachment cycle |
| 21:22.38 | Kueken | now, with the new attach messages, can I do something similar? |
| 21:22.44 | JademusSreg | Sounds like it may overlap with an idea I had recently, funny enough. |
| 21:22.54 | Kueken | they don't appear to work without specifying an attachment point |
| 21:23.01 | Zandose | i have a friend with autism |
| 21:23.40 | Kueken | I tried clearing the Host reference for the attachment, which did nothing |
| 21:23.43 | JademusSreg | I'd suggest defining a site with a siteop that can generate desirable points, should prevent them from ever occupying the same scope. |
| 21:24.08 | Deadzergling | Seriously Stewox, you were doing so good at not doing the conspiracy theories in here |
| 21:24.11 | Kueken | not sure I follow |
| 21:24.18 | Deadzergling | why you need to start again |
| 21:24.33 | Stewox | you're funny |
| 21:24.34 | JademusSreg | There are some especially fun ones, everything from specific collections to weighted distributions of random locations. |
| 21:24.40 | Kueken | I want to attach the unit actor to another model actor in the same scope |
| 21:24.41 | Stewox | theory |
| 21:24.47 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 21:24.55 | JademusSreg | Thought this was multiple unit actors. |
| 21:25.10 | Deadzergling | would you prefer I call them what they are more appropriately? |
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| 21:25.25 | Kueken | man, its hard to put a problem to words, even if you are perfectly aware of that xD |
| 21:25.26 | Deadzergling | Half-baked poorly formulated excuses for hypothesises? |
| 21:25.58 | Kueken | anyway, its not urgent, it is pretty easy to do if I do attachments the old way |
| 21:26.11 | JademusSreg | Wouldn't one do so with a reference? If they are not in the same scope, they'd use global or such reference, else they can use a reference within the scope (safer and more managable that way)/. |
| 21:26.14 | Kueken | just wanted to ask if you know an equivalent using attach messages |
| 21:26.15 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 21:28.09 | G0A | Stewox http://www.news-medical.net/news/20131202/USC-scientists-show-gene-environment-interaction-augments-risk-for-developing-autism.aspx though I thought we are not polluting the air at all as there is no climite change too.... |
| 21:28.47 | Deadzergling | lesser forms of autism aren't so bad |
| 21:30.45 | G0A | yeah |
| 21:31.16 | Deadzergling | and even the bad forms let you read secret government codes |
| 21:31.31 | Deadzergling | well, at least according to Mercury Rising and hollywood, lol |
| 21:31.38 | G0A | I even had a mate at uni who had more than lesser autism and he was quite okey too. Dont know if he managed to finish uni though. |
| 21:31.56 | Deadzergling | yea, I have aspbergers myself |
| 21:34.44 | Stewox | well the primary causes are definitely vacciness |
| 21:35.00 | Stewox | then air pollution ... other environment stuff |
| 21:35.01 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 21:35.01 | G0A | rofl |
| 21:35.06 | Stewox | then food |
| 21:35.11 | G0A | Stewox figured out everything |
| 21:35.12 | Deadzergling | nope, I'm naturally weird |
| 21:35.26 | Stewox | or i could add food to number 2 and then environment on 3 |
| 21:35.28 | JademusSreg | [16:14:24] <JademusSreg> As said earlier, basically, if Stew can understand it, it's almost certainly wrong. |
| 21:35.33 | Dustin|Work | ^ |
| 21:35.40 | Dustin|Work | I stand by this statement 100000% |
| 21:36.15 | Deadzergling | my weirdness is well remembered long before any vaccines |
| 21:36.37 | Stewox | well my only response to that would be, that if there's anyone more intoxicated around here it definitely is jademus and probably dustin not far behind, they just show classic signs |
| 21:37.03 | JademusSreg | I'd even go so far as to suggest the inverse, that one can assume that anything correct will be disbelieved by Stew, including basic arithmetic. =D |
| 21:37.19 | Deadzergling | pretty sure most 1 year olds don't sit by an anthill, refusing to move, just to watch it. Pretty sure most 18 month olds don't get kicked out of sunday school either. |
| 21:37.51 | Stewox | you admitted your self you order 6 pack of redbull, why don't you go down the road to the nearest gas station and drink some anti-freeze it would be no big deal |
| 21:38.04 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Kueken, to clarify, the model actor and unit actor are already in the same scope? |
| 21:38.13 | Kueken | yes |
| 21:38.14 | Dustin|Work | Stewox: 1+1 = 2? I don't know, I didn't read that on infowars, I don't think it's right. |
| 21:38.25 | Deadzergling | lies dustin, it is 11 |
| 21:38.35 | Kueken | the setup for the old method is as follows |
| 21:38.39 | Dustin|Work | As long as infowars says it's 11, it's 11! |
| 21:38.52 | Zandose | their are different levels of autism. My friend is "high functioning" and can is perfectly fine. Has her own biz, lives by herself, can talk. almost no difference. |
| 21:38.54 | Dustin|Work | Cause addition is a fucking conspiracy |
| 21:38.59 | Stewox | I looked up the flouride numbers in Wichita dustin ... as I predicted, it's not looking good :p |
| 21:39.29 | Kueken | create an attachment actor as usual, created on UnitBirth, host subject to _Selectable, but no attach site operation |
| 21:39.33 | Deadzergling | Stewox, can you please at least tell me you are a troll |
| 21:39.44 | Bommes | Deadzergling, what kind of numeric system is that? Roman? |
| 21:39.45 | Kueken | the attachment actor will appear to be attached at origin |
| 21:40.03 | Kueken | but it is no "real" attachment, it merely follows the scope of the unit |
| 21:40.20 | Kueken | eh |
| 21:40.22 | JademusSreg | Actually, even that is a thing. |
| 21:40.23 | Deadzergling | oh, just messing around mostly Bommes |
| 21:40.27 | Kueken | revert that |
| 21:40.31 | Kueken | no _Selectable |
| 21:40.43 | Deadzergling | like 1 and 1 is eleven, 1 + 1 is 11, since + can mean and |
| 21:40.47 | Deadzergling | although not normally |
| 21:40.51 | Bommes | I only write numbers in egyptian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_numeral_systems#Numerals |
| 21:40.53 | Kueken | the Host: Subject field is empty |
| 21:40.55 | Torhal | Stewox: Ahem. You're doing it again. |
| 21:41.11 | Stewox | that's what I was afraid of .... |
| 21:41.22 | Deadzergling | i do know roman numerals rather well though Bommes, lol |
| 21:41.26 | Kueken | now, with that setup, you can set the Host:Subject field for the main unit actor to the attachment actor |
| 21:41.39 | Kueken | and use an attachment site operation |
| 21:41.50 | Stewox | actually not sure where I got that a few weeks ago, .... |
| 21:42.03 | Kueken | that way the main unit actor is sort of attached to its own attachment |
| 21:42.09 | Stewox | have to search those up again damn |
| 21:42.13 | Deadzergling | Just please tell me you are a bored troll having fun Stewox |
| 21:42.21 | Stewox | on the other hand G0A |
| 21:42.22 | Deadzergling | I'm actually concerned for you if you actually think this way otherwise.... |
| 21:42.25 | A1win | Deadzergling, that'd be lying |
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| 21:42.32 | Torhal | Deadzergling: He isn't, and if he doesn't chill he'll get permabanned. |
| 21:42.51 | Kueken | jade, got it or do you need an example? |
| 21:43.14 | JademusSreg | I work best with the XML. =D |
| 21:43.18 | Stewox | i sent you already the note G0A about the pictionary thing, i didn't get your reply, u sure you gonna take an hour this week to make it great for next mapnight ? |
| 21:43.22 | Kueken | alright |
| 21:43.31 | Deadzergling | Plasma Powered Spaceships, A1win ? |
| 21:43.47 | Stewox | not sure what youre talking about deadzergling |
| 21:43.49 | Deadzergling | PPS isn't a bad acronym really, lol |
| 21:43.50 | A1win | nah |
| 21:44.11 | Deadzergling | Kind of like what the game is, Pew Pews |
| 21:44.11 | A1win | should change art style and call it photon spaceships |
| 21:44.29 | Stewox | Not really my fault if you can't understand things I do my best to try to explain, but as you can see, I really can't anymore |
| 21:44.38 | JademusSreg | Pure Energy War Space |
| 21:44.54 | Stewox | One of the biggest funny things is ... |
| 21:45.04 | G0A | Stewox about Autism and Vaccines here is a review on that based on 27 study: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/732481 |
| 21:45.21 | A1win | Stewox, that should be a hint that there might be something wrong with the facts you are trying to explain |
| 21:45.43 | G0A | Stewox I wont touch pictionary I have other maps to do... |
| 21:45.52 | Torhal | If you wake up in the morning and you meet an asshole, you've met an asshole. If you wake up in the morning and everyone's an asshole? You're the asshole. |
| 21:46.23 | Stewox | 1 hour fix you lazy dumdum, i typed out all the things for you isn't that enough ? i don't know i didn't saved them rats , did you ? |
| 21:46.53 | Deadzergling | and Stewox drives home torhal's point |
| 21:46.55 | Stewox | it would be nice to have that done but take your time then whatever |
| 21:46.57 | Deadzergling | with his very next post |
| 21:47.09 | Stewox | so |
| 21:47.10 | Stewox | just |
| 21:47.23 | Stewox | did you saved the 6 feedbacks then in a TXT ? |
| 21:47.34 | Stewox | so i don't have to dig them up in chats |
| 21:47.37 | Stewox | logs |
| 21:47.51 | Stewox | i don't have it set up great, i left on default |
| 21:47.57 | G0A | Stewox I write the word length detection down near the others stuff I plan to add one day... |
| 21:48.51 | Deadzergling | ahahaha G0A ^ |
| 21:48.54 | JademusSreg | Sounds like something George Carlin would say. =D |
| 21:49.11 | JademusSreg | Even in death. |
| 21:49.25 | Deadzergling | plan to add one day, putting things on a list to do at a later time, dangerous thing to do |
| 21:49.28 | Stewox | well that's actually already happening torhal, if you look out of the cave |
| 21:49.33 | Deadzergling | the list starts to grow uncontrollably |
| 21:49.47 | Stewox | what word detection G0A ? |
| 21:50.13 | G0A | when you type in the name of the picture you want to draw... |
| 21:50.18 | Kueken | JademusSreg: http://pastebin.com/tMn090AY |
| 21:50.37 | Kueken | this will make a unit with a marine model, which is attached to the head of a medic |
| 21:50.39 | Stewox | dustin wanted to say something but why did he fleed again .... |
| 21:50.57 | Stewox | no no goa |
| 21:51.11 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 21:51.15 | Stewox | i mean, did you save my feedback from the sc2mapster chat damn it, you'll forget all the 6 points |
| 21:51.38 | Kueken | note that the marine is the main unit actor, even though the Medic is the base for the attachment |
| 21:51.44 | JademusSreg | Alright. Now that I've got a clear sense of the data, what's the question? |
| 21:51.47 | G0A | other points want note worthy |
| 21:52.11 | Kueken | how do I replicate that same thing with the attach actor message? |
| 21:52.19 | JademusSreg | Ahhh. |
| 21:52.35 | Stewox | i still don't understand what were you saying deadzergling |
| 21:53.01 | Stewox | wah g0a you don't think all of the 6 are fine ? |
| 21:53.14 | Stewox | all these 6 and it'll be great so much more |
| 21:53.21 | JademusSreg | And by "same thing", to which relationship do you refer? I've got some ideas, just need some clarity. =D |
| 21:53.35 | Stewox | i don't know what i could think up then, but i can guarantee yo others will praise |
| 21:53.40 | A1win | Stewox, are you sure people appreciate when you force your feedback on them? ;p |
| 21:53.43 | JademusSreg | I think I know the purpose, just want to be certain. |
| 21:54.02 | Stewox | somebody has to do it |
| 21:54.06 | JademusSreg | Want to be able to issue the message via trigger code or such to accomplish similar ends, yeah? |
| 21:54.09 | Torhal | Stewox: Not here. |
| 21:54.13 | G0A | A1win forced feedback the most credible |
| 21:54.16 | Deadzergling | Uh, no they don't. |
| 21:54.37 | Kueken | yeah, or make an easy event macro for it without the need for additional data |
| 21:54.39 | Deadzergling | is kind of like A1win's map |
| 21:54.46 | Stewox | allright did you get any other feedback |
| 21:54.51 | Deadzergling | you'd think, oh something that worked on, that developed, must have a name |
| 21:55.02 | Deadzergling | but nope, it doesn't have one1 |
| 21:55.09 | Deadzergling | *one! |
| 21:55.17 | Stewox | it's not like this is some kind of a world cup here stop fooling around, I saw only people from mapnight playing |
| 21:55.22 | G0A | Stewox nope Stewox its all had been done from the void |
| 21:55.23 | JademusSreg | consults the references. |
| 21:55.24 | A1win | haha, never heard of working titles Deadzergling? |
| 21:55.49 | Stewox | well i didn't actually had a chance to look it up on arcade ;( |
| 21:55.51 | Stewox | yet |
| 21:55.54 | A1win | GTA was originally called Race'n'Chase |
| 21:55.56 | Kueken | you will need to highlight me if you need other responses |
| 21:56.09 | Stewox | I still don't know what you meant deadzergling |
| 21:56.14 | A1win | maybe they should've used that |
| 21:56.16 | Stewox | with trolling" |
| 21:56.20 | Deadzergling | I'm okay with this, Stewox |
| 21:57.03 | Stewox | and besides, nobody objected to those 6 points, and you G0A, do you want me to go back, you agreed with half of them, and the other half we explained how to mitigate the issues you first had |
| 21:57.25 | Stewox | because it's a great map |
| 21:57.32 | A1win | Stewox, agreeing that they'd be good changes doesn't mean they are important enough to be invested time on |
| 21:57.32 | Stewox | and I don't want it go to waste |
| 21:58.14 | Deadzergling | sigh, I need to look away from this chat for awhile, it is giving me a headache reading it |
| 21:58.21 | Deadzergling | can someone ping me when the storm settles down? |
| 21:58.21 | A1win | ;3 |
| 21:58.35 | A1win | noo don't leave us |
| 21:58.42 | A1win | we must fight this together |
| 21:58.44 | Stewox | ah come on, it's 1 hour of work even less, he said they were good ideas, and at mapnight there's 10 people always checking out that map, this would make the experience a lot better imo, im not forcing anything at all you're just making something out of nothing, im just supporting my case |
| 21:59.31 | Zolden | A1win name it Attack Ships |
| 21:59.34 | Stewox | what fight ? |
| 21:59.52 | Deadzergling | no, name it Attack Ships in Space |
| 21:59.59 | Stewox | you're reading into my posts making something out of nothing me thinks |
| 21:59.59 | JademusSreg | considers if AttachSetBearingsFrom may work. |
| 22:00.06 | Deadzergling | be a great acronym th en |
| 22:00.11 | A1win | Stewox, it's like you're deliberately trying to misunderstand |
| 22:00.11 | Zolden | name it Attach Ships |
| 22:00.16 | A1win | = trolling |
| 22:00.36 | Stewox | okay then go back and check the chat logs |
| 22:00.46 | Deadzergling | then when you suggest playing your map |
| 22:00.54 | Deadzergling | can ask if anyone wants to get into some ASS |
| 22:01.04 | Zolden | yea |
| 22:01.05 | Stewox | good thing is, I already have a name for it :D |
| 22:01.12 | G0A | A1win you should be honest with the name and name it "I cant name it" |
| 22:01.17 | Stewox | no this is the main project |
| 22:01.19 | A1win | ;p |
| 22:01.21 | Stewox | not that goof map |
| 22:01.27 | Zolden | name it *.* |
| 22:01.36 | Stewox | that one's just some nonsense buffs |
| 22:01.42 | Deadzergling | Stewox, could you like, unplug your keyboard for an hour or two, we could use a break |
| 22:01.42 | Stewox | but fun for 1 player |
| 22:01.44 | Zolden | or name it with the url of your name generator |
| 22:01.50 | Dustin|Work | Name it STL |
| 22:01.51 | G0A | :D |
| 22:01.55 | Dustin|Work | Slower Than Light |
| 22:02.03 | A1win | ;x |
| 22:02.07 | Stewox | the archon returns |
| 22:02.11 | Dustin|Work | Deadzergling, this is why I ignored Stewox |
| 22:02.14 | Zolden | sounds like a truethful name |
| 22:02.20 | JademusSreg | Perhaps. AttachSetBearingsFrom is labeled as Attach Set Bearings in the pulldown. |
| 22:03.12 | A1win | Heavier Than Light |
| 22:03.19 | Stewox | eh he's just making that up, it was because he didn't believed there's flouride in his town's water, this chat was way more busy, I was here since the very beginning |
| 22:03.39 | Dustin|Work | Well gravity IS heavier than light |
| 22:03.40 | Stewox | way more, i mean, it was quite a lot of people in here |
| 22:03.43 | Deadzergling | nice phrasing there, God |
| 22:03.46 | Zolden | Louder than Light in Vacuum |
| 22:04.02 | Dustin|Work | SPAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace! |
| 22:04.05 | Dustin|Work | Is still my favorite |
| 22:04.09 | A1win | ;> |
| 22:04.20 | JademusSreg | Seems like the most likely candidate for such an attachment. |
| 22:04.24 | Zolden | or call it "penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis penis" |
| 22:04.26 | Stewox | so, I am one of those 2010 betatester guys, so don't start the game of experience |
| 22:04.26 | G0A | shinier than a blackhole |
| 22:04.40 | A1win | darker than blackhole |
| 22:05.10 | Deadzergling | I wouldn't say that Stewox, that means you still don't get so very much after all that time. |
| 22:05.18 | Deadzergling | it is actually more to your detriment |
| 22:05.35 | JademusSreg | Quite an extravagant buffet of nonsense. |
| 22:05.43 | Dustin|Work | What'd he say? |
| 22:05.44 | Stewox | what detriment at all, you think i live in this chat or something ;/ |
| 22:05.56 | Deadzergling | [14:04] <Stewox> so, I am one of those 2010 betatester guys, so don't start the game of experience |
| 22:06.01 | Dustin|Work | lmfao |
| 22:06.03 | Stewox | i dumped this whole gaming thing a year ago, happen to be back |
| 22:06.08 | JademusSreg | Back in an hour or so. |
| 22:06.15 | Dustin|Work | Later JAde |
| 22:06.20 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:06.29 | JademusSreg | Later Dustin. |
| 22:06.39 | Stewox | I happen to be logged in freenode for some other stuff and channels |
| 22:06.42 | G0A | you might get lucky and the storm passes by then JademusSreg |
| 22:07.03 | Stewox | but I hardly follow any gaming news at all, the only big thing I did was AMD Mantle API, but even that is more tech-news |
| 22:07.09 | G0A | Stewox the anti alien overlord channels?:) |
| 22:07.32 | Deadzergling | ffs G0A, don't encourage him |
| 22:07.55 | Dustin|Work | Yeah he is full of bullshit enough as it is |
| 22:08.07 | G0A | :) |
| 22:08.15 | Dustin|Work | We don't need to give him more bullshit to regurgitate |
| 22:08.47 | Stewox | kind of silly dustin thinks like he's smart but all it takes for him to do is to check his town's water treatment plant website lol ... it's so silly it's almost sad :( |
| 22:09.01 | Dustin|Work | It's like that family guy episode where they all take the ipiecac and throw up everywhere, but replace the puke with stewox's typing |
| 22:09.19 | Dustin|Work | Smells just as bad though |
| 22:09.37 | Deadzergling | to me, it is like watching peter hump the giant bag of fat nonstop |
| 22:09.40 | Stewox | the funny thing is tho, nobody really checked anything and assumes i'm wrong |
| 22:09.42 | Zolden | Dustin|Work waht's ipiecac? |
| 22:09.44 | Deadzergling | if you saw that episode |
| 22:09.46 | Dustin|Work | Oh that's a good one |
| 22:10.03 | Dustin|Work | Zolden, it's a liquid that induces uncontrollable vommiting |
| 22:10.17 | Stewox | which gives me kind of a .... i don't actually exploit it, in this case it's not an advantage, but im not a troll as you see, i don't do that |
| 22:10.18 | Dustin|Work | You take it if you've ingested poison or toxic chemicals |
| 22:10.18 | Zolden | strange, never heard of it |
| 22:10.23 | Zolden | cool |
| 22:10.30 | Zolden | i want to have that in my medicit |
| 22:10.39 | Dustin|Work | It's good to have just in case |
| 22:10.56 | Stewox | who's peter ? |
| 22:11.17 | Deadzergling | hang on, i'll find you a real NICE picture of peter Stewox |
| 22:11.21 | Zolden | they used that episod in reverted time episode where they had to unvomit their vomit |
| 22:11.26 | *** join/#sc2mapster RazielZ (Raziel@31.220.209.41) |
| 22:11.37 | Dustin|Work | Ya that episode was awesome |
| 22:11.49 | Stewox | probabl some weird cartoon on a german tv channel .... |
| 22:11.58 | Zolden | wait, it's monday, where's my this week's episode |
| 22:12.25 | kingTD | Zolden balance the fuck out of gold mines already |
| 22:12.28 | kingTD | gn |
| 22:12.41 | Zolden | gn |
| 22:12.45 | Deadzergling | http://edgecast.metatube-files.buscafs.com/uploads/videos/image/image_106333_4.jpg |
| 22:12.47 | Zolden | hmm, only american dad |
| 22:13.03 | Dustin|Work | Yeah I dont think there was a new FG episode last night |
| 22:13.07 | Dustin|Work | was a rerun |
| 22:13.10 | Zolden | Deadzergling for me it's 403 Forbidden |
| 22:13.21 | Dustin|Work | oh and a new Bob's Burgers |
| 22:15.31 | Stewox | oh indeed i guess i was correct |
| 22:15.48 | Zolden | bos burgers? is it fun? |
| 22:15.57 | Dustin|Work | You havent watched it? |
| 22:15.59 | Dustin|Work | It's hilarious |
| 22:16.00 | Zolden | nope |
| 22:16.05 | Dustin|Work | It's got the voice of Archer as Bob |
| 22:16.10 | Stewox | i still don't know what was your big deal back then deadzergling |
| 22:16.16 | Stewox | you still didn't explain that |
| 22:16.17 | Dustin|Work | You've seen Archer right? |
| 22:16.19 | Deadzergling | oh geez, do NOT put the word naked next to peter griffin |
| 22:16.22 | Zolden | also i don't know hwat's archer |
| 22:16.24 | Deadzergling | you will not be happy |
| 22:16.25 | Dustin|Work | WHAT |
| 22:16.29 | Dustin|Work | Zolden, you will LOVE IT |
| 22:16.34 | Zolden | ok, i'll try |
| 22:16.38 | Dustin|Work | Go download all the seasons of Archer |
| 22:16.46 | Dustin|Work | Serious, you will piss yourself laughing |
| 22:16.55 | Zolden | curious |
| 22:17.08 | Dustin|Work | DANGER ZOOOOOONE! |
| 22:17.18 | Dustin|Work | You'll get that reference later |
| 22:17.39 | G0A | Zolden Archer is fucking awesome |
| 22:17.53 | Dustin|Work | It's even got KGB shit in it |
| 22:17.57 | Dustin|Work | So you'll feel right at home |
| 22:18.11 | Zolden | :) |
| 22:18.13 | Zolden | dlding |
| 22:18.37 | G0A | DANGER ZONE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7HkG6OSo3E |
| 22:19.10 | G0A | Zolden the video has nothing to do with the actual series.D |
| 22:20.29 | G0A | until the end...) |
| 22:26.17 | *** part/#sc2mapster G0A (~hookah604@91.82.75.170.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 22:47.16 | A1win | :E |
| 22:47.24 | A1win | increased field of view quite a bit, feels a lot better |
| 22:47.27 | A1win | can actually see shit now |
| 22:48.32 | A1win | no need to stare at the minimap half of the time |
| 22:52.31 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a108/SC2%202013-12-03%2000-52-01-66.jpg |
| 22:56.56 | A1win | oh yeah remembered why I switched to use follow camera instead of setting it with triggers... was some jerkiness with that |
| 22:59.34 | Zolden | fucking great, uploaded a version where snow queen "ice rock" abil has cooldown = 1 instead of 11 |
| 22:59.34 | A1win | I wonder if I can still increase it... |
| 22:59.41 | Zolden | 500 dmg every second |
| 22:59.45 | A1win | ;> |
| 22:59.55 | A1win | quick, hit the red button! |
| 23:01.09 | A1win | still not too high FoV? http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a108/SC2%202013-12-03%2001-00-44-31.jpg |
| 23:02.34 | A1win | now I feel I should definitely call it Little something |
| 23:02.42 | A1win | Little Something in Space |
| 23:03.57 | A1win | so nice to actually see where your projectiles go |
| 23:05.37 | A1win | and to see where enemy projectiles come from :P |
| 23:07.51 | Zolden | A1win you changed camera's FoV? |
| 23:07.57 | A1win | yeah |
| 23:08.02 | Zolden | maybe a good idea |
| 23:08.07 | A1win | feels a lot better now |
| 23:08.19 | A1win | it was something like 32-36 before, now it's 42-47 |
| 23:08.27 | A1win | (higher if you move faster) |
| 23:10.14 | A1win | let's see how high I can go before it starts to feel weird |
| 23:11.19 | A1win | 50-55 too much :P |
| 23:11.45 | A1win | draws focus away from the important area near the ship |
| 23:11.55 | Zolden | yea, should be a balance |
| 23:12.22 | A1win | 45-50 a bit too much too |
| 23:13.15 | A1win | 43-48 starts to feel ok, the stuff near edge of screen is stuff you might want to try to hit |
| 23:13.29 | A1win | hmm though up/down it's shorter, so maybe this is fine |
| 23:14.19 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a108/SC2%202013-12-03%2001-14-02-21.jpg |
| 23:14.42 | A1win | (in the earlier screenshot the planets are bigger) |
| 23:15.29 | A1win | I guess I'll go with this, see how it feels in an actual game |
| 23:21.15 | Zolden | interesting, how will it look on my monitor |
| 23:21.33 | A1win | what size is it? |
| 23:22.17 | Zolden | not wide, normal |
| 23:22.22 | A1win | 4:3? |
| 23:22.24 | Zolden | yea |
| 23:22.35 | A1win | well, height-wise is the same fov |
| 23:22.44 | A1win | widescreen just sees more at the sides |
| 23:26.46 | Ownage | how can I toggle charges being hidden on a unit's ability, per unit? |
| 23:27.39 | Kueken | I am not sure if you can |
| 23:27.59 | Kueken | I assume you can change it via catalog, but that would be on per-player basis |
| 23:28.16 | A1win | you could display them with triggers on a custom frame ;p |
| 23:28.25 | Kueken | alternative workaround would be to use 2 separate abilities using the same charge links |
| 23:29.08 | Ownage | nevermind I figured it out thanks |
| 23:29.16 | Ownage | yeah has to be catalog on click |
| 23:29.19 | Ownage | or on whatever |
| 23:29.50 | Ownage | <EffectArray Operation="Set" Reference="Abil,MyAbil,Cost[0].Charge.HideCount" Value="0"/> |
| 23:30.50 | A1win | uh, models can play sounds? |
| 23:31.24 | *** join/#sc2mapster Kueken (~Kueken@brsg-4dbba74c.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 23:32.50 | Ahli | yes |
| 23:36.21 | Ahli | 20 5 suncleric :D |
| 23:39.16 | Zandose | are wireframes images or models? |
| 23:40.10 | A1win | images |
| 23:40.18 | A1win | if you're talking about the ones on UI |
| 23:40.25 | Zandose | k |
| 23:40.30 | A1win | placement models are models ;p |
| 23:40.46 | Zandose | using triggers, can a image be out into a model? |
| 23:42.22 | A1win | whee now my laser actually creates a different kind of explosion if you get the extra dmg from its first hit |
| 23:46.36 | A1win | except that this protoss explosion leaves particles for too long |
| 23:48.28 | A1win | could probably just make it a bigger explosion I guess |
| 23:49.27 | A1win | yeah that works |
| 23:56.36 | silmakuoppaaniki | JademusSreg, ould you tell A1win that I an speak Finnish here |
| 23:56.36 | silmakuoppaaniki | In Finnish if you want |
| 23:57.18 | silmakuoppaaniki | It's 'voi puhua suomea täällä' by the way |
| 23:58.00 | silmakuoppaaniki | Trust me, it really is |
| 23:58.40 | A1win | never said you can't speak Finnish here, I'm just not going to reply to you if you do ;p |
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