| 00:01.15 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 00:01.34 | mille25__ | damn im good. :D |
| 00:01.38 | mille25__ | fixed it |
| 00:05.39 | mille25__ | you wont believe what it was |
| 00:05.44 | mille25__ | its actually not visible in pastebin |
| 00:05.45 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 00:05.46 | mille25__ | just notepad |
| 00:06.05 | mille25__ | i implemented a more efficient method to convert a character to an integer in galaxy |
| 00:06.13 | JademusSreg | Yeah, the string. |
| 00:06.16 | mille25__ | i was lazy, so i created a C program generating the ASCII table as string |
| 00:06.30 | mille25__ | and i copy pasted all relevent chars into the gui (const string) |
| 00:06.41 | mille25__ | and actually i pasted invisible chars with it |
| 00:06.47 | mille25__ | which just showed up in notepad |
| 00:06.53 | mille25__ | which broke the parser. |
| 00:06.54 | mille25__ | :D |
| 00:06.59 | JademusSreg | Control chars, haha, awesome. |
| 00:07.02 | mille25__ | yep |
| 00:07.48 | mille25__ | would never have guess that. |
| 00:07.51 | mille25__ | *guessed |
| 00:10.59 | mille25__ | so yeah |
| 00:11.14 | mille25__ | never paste strings generated by a C program into string variables in gui i guess |
| 00:11.15 | mille25__ | lol |
| 00:12.08 | JademusSreg | I paste to np++ frequently, often to strip formatting from copy sources. |
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| 00:19.30 | mille25__ | yeah |
| 00:19.42 | mille25__ | ill probably validate each paste i do to GUI in np++ first from now on |
| 00:21.51 | mille25__ | anyways |
| 00:21.53 | mille25__ | im tired |
| 00:21.56 | mille25__ | going to bed |
| 00:21.56 | mille25__ | bye. |
| 00:31.46 | A1win | <.< some keys don't have a short version of their name, like Tab, Up, End |
| 00:31.54 | A1win | what if they're called something longer in another language :x |
| 00:32.38 | A1win | I guess I should do "if text has been set" and return the long version if short isn't set |
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| 01:03.05 | A1win | mmh how do I check if a text exists? if I do Text Has Been Set (Convert Game Text(textentry)) it's always true because it sets the converted text to the path name if it doesn't exist |
| 01:03.15 | A1win | might need custom script... mhh |
| 01:04.30 | A1win | this is always true? StringExternal(sometext) != null |
| 01:05.13 | A1win | mmh or maybe I messed something up |
| 01:05.43 | A1win | mmh nope |
| 01:07.41 | A1win | err nvm it doesn't even make any sense |
| 01:07.56 | A1win | well... that's stupid then ;p |
| 01:08.21 | A1win | some keys just don't have a short version of them, then |
| 01:08.33 | A1win | (except in english, because they are short by themselves) |
| 01:13.28 | A1win | "Key/End/Short, "Key/None/Short", "Key/Tab/Short", and "Key/Up/Short" don't exist, even though the /Short path exists for every other key that has a Key/keyname entry |
| 01:18.41 | A1win | oh well should work now, silly exceptions |
| 01:21.28 | A1win | note the hotkeys in the action bar: http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a102/SC2%202013-11-30%2003-20-51-50.jpg |
| 01:21.43 | A1win | hmm could slightly increase action bar icon size now that there's only 5 icons instead of 6 |
| 01:21.55 | A1win | (otherwise the stat bars go inside minimap/leaderboard on narrow aspect ratios) |
| 01:22.21 | JademusSreg | Nice. |
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| 01:25.17 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a102/SC2%202013-11-30%2003-24-49-67.jpg |
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| 01:34.39 | Serashin | i like the first screenshot more |
| 01:35.10 | A1win | then you probably should play on 1920*1080 resolution :P |
| 01:35.14 | Serashin | it gives you a good interface with little cutting of mainframe , while the second one looks more like one sauce |
| 01:35.37 | Serashin | always doing it |
| 01:36.16 | A1win | it's not up to me, just showing what it looks like on smaller resolution / narrower aspect ratio |
| 01:37.07 | Serashin | do you plan on movement speed affecting enviroment + items pickup able or why theres a velocity top left |
| 01:37.33 | A1win | that's just a debug thing |
| 01:37.37 | A1win | will be removed |
| 01:37.52 | Serashin | aw k |
| 01:37.54 | A1win | there already is an ability that lets you go faster, though |
| 01:38.06 | A1win | but no need to display velocity, you can see it from your movement :x |
| 01:38.33 | Serashin | kind of , feels out of my PoV just a little slow overall |
| 01:38.37 | Serashin | even with booster |
| 01:38.59 | A1win | if it's faster, lag will have a bigger impact |
| 01:39.32 | Serashin | but might be because i play allot c.t. ( 7 - 12 movement speed on close camera ) |
| 01:39.53 | Repo | New experimental asset: WoW Character Models - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/wow-character-models/ |
| 01:39.59 | Repo | New asset: WoW Character Models - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/wow-character-models/ |
| 01:40.04 | A1win | yeah it was originally like 10 times faster but no one could hit anything except by accident |
| 01:40.17 | Serashin | well with current movement speed u cannot fly between the first shot i think it was named pew pew |
| 01:40.23 | Serashin | to short projectile itnervalls |
| 01:40.46 | Serashin | im used to movement prediction :P |
| 01:41.19 | Serashin | whats current units movement speed |
| 01:41.20 | A1win | last time you complained about latency :x |
| 01:41.22 | Serashin | like 4-5 ? |
| 01:41.34 | Serashin | i did but speed is in such a game a + |
| 01:41.40 | A1win | 70/16 |
| 01:41.52 | A1win | ship is 1 on diameter |
| 01:42.17 | A1win | 4.375 is max move speed it seems, but that doesn't matter much since the scale is different from normal SC2 stuff anyway |
| 01:42.37 | A1win | camera is a bit higher, things are bigger/smaller |
| 01:42.43 | Serashin | try making base speed till next test atleast 1 higher . just for testing purposes ;) |
| 01:42.55 | A1win | already tested it a lot in the past |
| 01:43.22 | A1win | rather decrease projectile speeds than increase ship speed, if it comes to that |
| 01:45.01 | Serashin | i suggest difficultty enviroment . if your that set on your movement speed . im pretty sure i could hit ppl all the time with 9 + movement speed . but that comes from little practise |
| 01:45.24 | Serashin | anyways sleeping a lil have fun crafting . lets have a testrun tommorow ;) |
| 01:45.30 | Serashin | ( or in 12 ish hours etc ) |
| 01:45.47 | A1win | you'd be the only one playing it if I set the practice requirement so high |
| 01:46.01 | Serashin | thats why i say 1 higher ^^ |
| 01:46.03 | Serashin | ;) |
| 01:46.04 | Serashin | cu cu |
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| 02:46.08 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/jjgrt |
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| 02:53.05 | JademusSreg | Just enjoyed how the outputs of the bitwise ops scaled, haha. |
| 02:57.09 | ArcanePariah | Yoink |
| 02:57.26 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/jjgrt |
| 02:58.29 | ArcanePariah | So which data types will your generic bitwise ops work for? |
| 02:59.07 | JademusSreg | int, until I get around to creating the conversion functions. |
| 03:00.05 | JademusSreg | Rather annoyed there's no elegant means to convert between fixed and int. |
| 03:00.27 | JademusSreg | Would prefer it be done without calling native functions. |
| 03:01.37 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/8bn5k |
| 03:01.57 | JademusSreg | And it works with shit like that. |
| 03:02.13 | ArcanePariah | Well... isn't that a fundamental problem of any language? |
| 03:02.37 | ArcanePariah | Or is it that galaxy does not support implicity casting? |
| 03:02.41 | ArcanePariah | implicit* |
| 03:04.06 | JademusSreg | Galaxy doesn't support implicit casts, doesn't offer typecasts or boxing or any such thing. Nope, native calls such as native shit FuckToShit (fuck a); all the way. |
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| 03:20.40 | Cardanis | Hey guys, so I've run into a bug with the editor and was wondering if anyone has seen this before/could help me |
| 03:21.13 | Cardanis | So I've got a unit that I'm trying to duplicate and then modify. Whenever I tell it to duplicate the unit, it also renames the original to have (Copy) on the end |
| 03:21.24 | Cardanis | If I try to rename either the original or the duplicate, both of them get renamed |
| 03:21.42 | Cardanis | if I delete the duplicate, the original randomizes its' name to be some other random unit in the map |
| 03:21.54 | Cardanis | This also happens if I create a unit 'based off' the original |
| 03:22.00 | Cardanis | Anyone have any idea how to fix this? |
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| 03:28.49 | A1win | sounds like their name text key doesn't get renamed when you duplicate, maybe because it has been set to a non-standard value before duplicating |
| 03:29.45 | A1win | you can changr it manually in the name field (not in the rename id window) |
| 03:29.56 | A1win | *change |
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| 03:31.18 | Ownage | using triggers how can I 'push' all units out of a 2x2 area |
| 03:31.31 | A1win | and just to be clear, I'm talking about the name text key (like Units/SomeUnit), mot the display value |
| 03:31.47 | Ownage | I want if a builder wants to build in a region and he starts the process, for all other units to be instantly pushed out of the way |
| 03:31.49 | A1win | umm... move them |
| 03:32.20 | Ownage | like what happens when you allow for players to push past allied units |
| 03:32.40 | Ownage | I just want them to be shoved out of the way, not suddenly moved |
| 03:33.25 | Cardanis | So you mean go into the text editor and look at it there? |
| 03:33.28 | A1win | why not just use just that, then? |
| 03:33.46 | Ownage | because these aren't allies necessarily |
| 03:34.04 | A1win | no, in the unit's fields there is name |
| 03:34.38 | A1win | if you edit it, it shows the text key at top |
| 03:35.52 | A1win | mf dunno, can't think of an elegant solution |
| 03:36.09 | A1win | apply a force effect maybe? |
| 03:36.43 | Cardanis | aaaaand that fixed it |
| 03:36.59 | Cardanis | you're a genius, never would've thought of that. For some reason it was staying as the duplicated id |
| 03:37.28 | Ownage | what I'm trying to do really is be able to create a unit directly at the spot that the player builds another unit |
| 03:37.45 | Ownage | but what happens is if there's enemies on that spot for example, the unit is created offset |
| 03:38.25 | A1win | ignore placememt? |
| 03:39.15 | Ownage | you're a geenius |
| 03:39.16 | Ownage | let me try |
| 03:39.32 | A1win | sleep time |
| 03:40.51 | Ownage | works thanks |
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| 03:58.51 | Bounty | Pew |
| 04:02.18 | JademusSreg | Almost over this cold. |
| 04:33.30 | Bounty | Finally did it JademusSreg |
| 04:33.34 | Bounty | Randomized content lol |
| 04:33.42 | Bounty | The galaxy is entirely randomized :) |
| 04:33.49 | Bounty | planets etc |
| 04:34.42 | JademusSreg | I imagine that's for your pleasure and is unrelated to the actual testing? |
| 04:35.00 | Bounty | They wanted planets/level setc |
| 04:35.16 | Bounty | My to do list is purely about making the galaxy lol |
| 04:35.24 | Bounty | which is made by my boss so |
| 04:35.37 | Bounty | Yes it is my pleasure but it is also what I was told to do |
| 04:35.44 | JademusSreg | Ah, nice. |
| 04:35.48 | Bounty | He did not ask for it to be random though |
| 04:35.53 | Bounty | just made sense, its easier |
| 04:38.45 | Zandose | so whats going on here? |
| 04:38.55 | JademusSreg | Romance. |
| 04:40.30 | Zandose | interesting |
| 04:41.03 | Zandose | between human and machine or another kind?> |
| 04:41.16 | JademusSreg | Between me and myself. |
| 04:41.45 | Zandose | ah, the best kind |
| 04:42.18 | JademusSreg | Narcissism is the lover that is always there. |
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| 04:45.33 | ArcanePariah | Hmm.... tempted to redo my unit bars in my UI to true unit status bars so I don't have to adjust the size as the game goes on |
| 04:45.46 | ArcanePariah | Decisions Decisions... |
| 04:45.46 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 04:46.10 | ArcanePariah | Either that or template more class skills/behaviors.. |
| 04:46.11 | Zandose | make is easy and use what the game gives you, just to make it work. work on custom stuff later |
| 04:46.52 | ArcanePariah | Well, to better explain, I started with everything done, I'm simply refinining it all |
| 04:47.23 | ArcanePariah | The map I work on I played for 2.5 years, the main coder left about 1.5 years ago, and about this time last year I volunteered to help with things |
| 04:47.49 | ArcanePariah | I've done some content changes and additions, but mostly I've been rewriting stuff enmasse |
| 04:48.08 | ArcanePariah | Redoing certain trigger stuff in data, refactoring the code, fixing bugs, etc. |
| 04:49.01 | ArcanePariah | Certainly has made the players happy, game is far far more responsive, basically no bugs (except one glaring one I have been unable to fix) of major note + overall map size reduced a fair bit |
| 04:49.27 | JademusSreg | Bug? |
| 04:51.04 | ArcanePariah | Replays somehow become non functional |
| 04:51.18 | ArcanePariah | For most of the game selections, the replay becomes corrupted somehow |
| 04:51.27 | ArcanePariah | And is unviewable |
| 04:51.38 | JademusSreg | Interesting. |
| 04:52.07 | ArcanePariah | Kind of frustrating given how much of the trigger code I have removed, thereby eliminating many possibilities |
| 04:52.28 | ArcanePariah | Also, from my tests so far, up the class selection screen in all stories, the replays work |
| 04:52.42 | ArcanePariah | So that eliminates easily 1/4 of the code |
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| 04:53.07 | ArcanePariah | (Which is another thing I find interesting, most of my code is run/executed in the first 2 minutes of the game) |
| 04:53.13 | JademusSreg | Could replay duration be a factor? |
| 04:53.16 | ArcanePariah | Or at least a sizeable chunk |
| 04:53.18 | ArcanePariah | Possibly |
| 04:53.31 | ArcanePariah | Avg game length is 1:20 game time |
| 04:53.36 | ArcanePariah | so over an hour real time |
| 04:54.42 | DeadZergling | that can't be the real Bounty, been here nearly 2 minutes and he hasn't sent any messages |
| 04:54.57 | ArcanePariah | Also a fair amount of my code is fairly simple so it is easy to discard as a source of the problem |
| 04:55.02 | Bounty | I did talk |
| 04:55.13 | Bounty | Nothing else to really talk about lol |
| 04:55.28 | Bounty | >.< |
| 04:55.38 | ArcanePariah | But also, I think the fact my code base is so huge makes it very difficult to track down the problem |
| 04:55.59 | ArcanePariah | 41k lines of code... uggh... |
| 04:56.29 | DeadZergling | always something for Bounty to talk about, that is just silly |
| 04:56.34 | JademusSreg | Wonder if it might be actors, especially actors which, being asynchronous, might exist for some players and not others. |
| 04:56.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:57.14 | Bounty | Well... |
| 04:57.24 | ArcanePariah | Maybe... but that isn't something I would look forward to examining, my map has over 1k custom actors |
| 04:57.44 | Bounty | Heres a topic for ya, I think Black Friday should be banned in the sense that it takes place at stores. I think it should be all held online. |
| 04:57.48 | DeadZergling | yesterday I was trying to make a building shake, wasn't going so well |
| 04:57.50 | Bounty | Hows that DeadZergling? |
| 04:58.00 | DeadZergling | some stores do hold it online |
| 04:58.14 | DeadZergling | some did it even before Black Friday |
| 04:58.22 | DeadZergling | I think everyone participating is a dolt |
| 04:58.24 | JademusSreg | Do you use the Gax3 method of asynchronous actors or do you use the native feature to display for specific players? |
| 04:58.34 | ArcanePariah | Maybe I'm slightly uninformed, but the perception I've gotten is my map is much more complex then most maps |
| 04:58.41 | Bounty | I agree, but sadly the people that are forced to work those days are not so lucky lol |
| 04:58.55 | ArcanePariah | We have no player specfic actor usage, all actors are displayed for everyone |
| 04:59.05 | Bounty | I'm trying to get a 3DS XL |
| 04:59.09 | DeadZergling | had idiots camping out 2 days in advance |
| 04:59.10 | Bounty | I saw Target had it but fuck that |
| 04:59.15 | ArcanePariah | We don't use the filter by player/alliance at all |
| 04:59.23 | Bounty | waiting for it to go on sale online somewhere lol |
| 04:59.27 | JademusSreg | Well that rules out an entire class of possible problems. |
| 04:59.42 | Bounty | Yeah, it should be banned >.< |
| 05:00.07 | Bounty | Just encourages retards to form temporary armies |
| 05:00.08 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, I'm fairly certain it has to do with trigger code but... like I siad, even if I ignore all the boring safe stuff, that still leaves a large amount of code to review |
| 05:00.38 | Bounty | By the way, what is all this Bitcoin stuff? |
| 05:01.04 | Bounty | From what I get, I could have bought like 100 of these things a few years ago for like 10 bucks each and I would be living in a mansion now? |
| 05:01.07 | DeadZergling | some kind of new currency, rising in popularity due to Obama being an idiot |
| 05:01.28 | Bounty | Am I right or do I misunderstand? lol |
| 05:01.41 | ArcanePariah | *Chuckles* I swear, the American Presidency has becomes one of the most commented on things in today's world |
| 05:01.46 | DeadZergling | dunno, I don't watch currencies |
| 05:02.00 | Bounty | Well, apparently it started around 10 USD = 1 Bitcoin |
| 05:02.08 | DeadZergling | that's because we have the stupidest leader in the world |
| 05:02.11 | Bounty | Now its like, 1,000 USD = 1 Bitcoin lol |
| 05:02.14 | DeadZergling | I'd take Prince John over this fool |
| 05:02.30 | ArcanePariah | I'm curious, why do think our current president is a fool? |
| 05:02.48 | ArcanePariah | (Despite the fact he is not... no president I would call a fool) |
| 05:02.54 | DeadZergling | too many reasons to say, so I'll keep it really simple |
| 05:03.01 | DeadZergling | One word, Obamacare |
| 05:03.13 | Bounty | I'm not participating in this one |
| 05:03.16 | Bounty | haha |
| 05:03.20 | ArcanePariah | I can agree with a foolish implementation, but the idea behind is sound |
| 05:03.39 | DeadZergling | sure, if you are a communist |
| 05:03.41 | Bounty | Are you familiar with bitcoin Jade? |
| 05:03.53 | DeadZergling | meaning Bounty agrees with it |
| 05:03.56 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 05:04.11 | Bounty | Is it true that if you bought 100 bitcoins back when it started you are now rich |
| 05:04.14 | ArcanePariah | Well... given how insurance is structured, you either make everyone participate in the risk pool, or no one at all |
| 05:04.20 | Bounty | Or can you not cash out to USD? |
| 05:04.38 | ArcanePariah | In which case, we can go back to paying for healthcare via taxes in the most expensive way possible, ER's |
| 05:04.39 | DeadZergling | telling people they must have insurance or pay a fine, that is just insane |
| 05:04.53 | ArcanePariah | In which case, repeal the law requring ER's to treat people |
| 05:05.15 | Bounty | You pay the fine because if you get hurt and can't pay the bill, it falls on the tax payers |
| 05:05.26 | ArcanePariah | Otherwise.... insurance without a pool of people of variable risk is no insurance at all |
| 05:05.33 | JademusSreg | Buying bitcoins when it started would be silly, since one could just as well mine them. |
| 05:05.43 | Bounty | I know that JademusSreg |
| 05:05.46 | Bounty | but what I'm asking is |
| 05:05.52 | Bounty | Are people who invested early |
| 05:06.03 | Bounty | Actually REAL MONEY rich? Or just bitcoin rich |
| 05:06.20 | ArcanePariah | Also, insurance on most things is a voluntary thing you can negotiate over, health is not so negotiable, because it has only 2 consequences: You live or you die, not much grey area |
| 05:07.00 | DeadZergling | I suspect under this new system, a lot more dying will be occurring |
| 05:07.55 | ArcanePariah | In which case, what shall be the alternatives? Let people die for lack of payment, or do make it government provided, or what hybrid of the 2 would be preferable? |
| 05:08.12 | JademusSreg | Distinction without difference; currencies are imaginary, only as real as the confidence invested in them. The better question is what parties would be willing to perform the exchange. |
| 05:08.21 | Bounty | FUCK IT |
| 05:08.23 | Bounty | god damnit |
| 05:08.24 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:08.35 | Bounty | Why can't you answer me like a normal person? |
| 05:08.37 | Bounty | :) |
| 05:08.53 | DeadZergling | because he is a burrito with teeth? |
| 05:09.34 | ArcanePariah | Deadz, I recognize the current Obamacare is almost not optimal, but I struggle to find a 3rd way between pay to live and truly mandatory everyone pays, ie taxation |
| 05:09.42 | DeadZergling | As far as I can tell, all the new regulations, are making it harder for businesses to do any hiring or make any profit |
| 05:09.53 | DeadZergling | making more and more people go in the hole |
| 05:10.10 | DeadZergling | making more and more completely government dependent |
| 05:10.33 | Bounty | It makes it harder for small businesses |
| 05:10.35 | ArcanePariah | Well... more and more people are goverment dependent (IMO) because of the very skewed distribution of wealth |
| 05:10.39 | Bounty | Big business is doing just fine |
| 05:11.00 | DeadZergling | which is a really bad direction to be going in, they can only steal, I mean redistribute wealth |
| 05:11.07 | DeadZergling | so much before the whole thing collapses |
| 05:12.04 | ArcanePariah | Well.... wealth redistribution is necessary because without it, a wealthly person can simply reinvest and amass more to the point he or she controls a large portion of the total wealth. That was basically feudalism, and demonstrated to not work on a long term or scale basis |
| 05:12.13 | Bounty | I would not even argue it ArcanePariah |
| 05:12.16 | DeadZergling | I don't know of a magical alternative, but we are currently making things worse |
| 05:12.17 | Bounty | When shit hits the fan |
| 05:12.35 | Bounty | People who were against wealth redistribution will be begging for it lol |
| 05:12.56 | ArcanePariah | Currently, we already are borderline there, the current bottom 40% of the US population has maybe 0.5% of the wealth |
| 05:13.13 | ArcanePariah | and the top 20% has 85-90% |
| 05:13.15 | DeadZergling | always going to be tyrants |
| 05:13.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:13.32 | Bounty | Thats a tad negative bro |
| 05:13.34 | Bounty | sheesh |
| 05:13.36 | DeadZergling | but I'd rather many tyrants who have to compete to seem friendly, good to the lowers |
| 05:13.41 | ArcanePariah | Yeah well, we did have a fairly nice progressive tax system, sadly we got rid of most of it |
| 05:13.43 | DeadZergling | then one supreme tyrant |
| 05:13.59 | Bounty | Who would want any tyrant? |
| 05:14.00 | DeadZergling | which is what we going towards under this load of crap |
| 05:14.05 | Bounty | a tyrant is a tyrant |
| 05:14.06 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:14.11 | DeadZergling | none, but they are going to happen, regardless |
| 05:14.18 | DeadZergling | existed throughout all history |
| 05:14.22 | ArcanePariah | Well... so the many feudal lords who randomly executed peasants and competed with their peasant armies while they sat back and watched? |
| 05:14.30 | DeadZergling | better many than few, more options :P |
| 05:14.32 | Bounty | Well yeah, when you have a population incapable of governing itself, you need a leader |
| 05:14.39 | Bounty | sadly |
| 05:15.13 | ArcanePariah | Well generally, a population only reaches that point when A) it lack civil infrastructure b) lacks education |
| 05:15.34 | Bounty | its been this way forever? |
| 05:15.45 | Bounty | People have always been out of control, not always the majority |
| 05:15.47 | ArcanePariah | So I would say we could do a better job of taxing progressively and not giving the money directly to the poor, but hiring the poor to build stuff |
| 05:15.53 | Bounty | but just enough to fuck things up |
| 05:16.03 | Bounty | Its like that old saying |
| 05:16.09 | Bounty | "This is why we can't have nice things" |
| 05:16.25 | ArcanePariah | Because the wealthy would not be as wealthy as they are without the good infrastructures, Walmart would never have done as well without the US highway system |
| 05:16.32 | Bounty | Why am I talking? I thought I told myself I wouldnt |
| 05:16.38 | Bounty | *shushes himself* |
| 05:16.39 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:16.54 | ArcanePariah | Same goes for Amazon, without the internet + highways, they wouldn't even exist |
| 05:17.25 | ArcanePariah | Directly taxing the rich and giving it directly to the poor I agree is not workable |
| 05:17.34 | JademusSreg | observes the difference between universal health care and universal health insurance. |
| 05:18.14 | Bounty | It is workable |
| 05:18.25 | Bounty | If you only give it to people who actually work |
| 05:18.48 | Bounty | Well I mean, really at that point you just need a very high minimum wage |
| 05:18.49 | ArcanePariah | Correct, I was getting to that, giving money directly = not workable, hiring them to build infrastructure = workable |
| 05:18.50 | Bounty | to get the same thing |
| 05:19.05 | Bounty | so you don't even need to do the whole wealth redistribution thing |
| 05:19.19 | Bounty | just tie the minimum wage to inflation and cost of living |
| 05:19.21 | DeadZergling | higher minimum wage = less people hired, more people let go |
| 05:19.21 | Bounty | problem solved |
| 05:19.33 | DeadZergling | more people in the hole potentially |
| 05:19.49 | Bounty | I don't think this is way to fix the problem honestly |
| 05:19.56 | Bounty | I'm just staying within the lines of this conversation |
| 05:19.58 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:20.04 | ArcanePariah | Deadz, agreed, but it comes down to an somewhat interesting dilmena, if you hire no one, who will have the money to buy your goods? |
| 05:20.47 | ArcanePariah | Obviously that is not sustainable, so what do you to keep the money flowing from employer to employee and back again? |
| 05:20.52 | DeadZergling | dunno, not a decision I see myself ever having to make |
| 05:21.29 | ArcanePariah | Well... unless you over 60 years old, you will live to see that decision made by our culture/society/country |
| 05:21.46 | Bounty | The thing I like best about this discussions is the people in them just argue back and forth about how to fix a problem within the system that caused the problem lol |
| 05:22.09 | Bounty | Not gonna get anywhere |
| 05:22.12 | Bounty | >.< |
| 05:22.33 | ArcanePariah | Mostly because the current system, despite its flaws, is still superior to other systems, so we would need to devise a novel new system outside the current one |
| 05:22.50 | Bounty | If you say so |
| 05:23.10 | Bounty | a system of competition and greed will always eventually hit this point |
| 05:23.14 | Bounty | everytime |
| 05:23.43 | Bounty | Its really not even worth discussion |
| 05:23.46 | ArcanePariah | Yes, so you have to place restraints on it, since the economic system (in theory) serves the country/people, not the other way around |
| 05:23.50 | Bounty | Sit back and grab some popcorn |
| 05:23.55 | Bounty | Let's see what happens lol |
| 05:24.03 | Bounty | You can't place restraints |
| 05:24.18 | Bounty | Competition and Greed will always lead to corruption |
| 05:24.24 | ArcanePariah | Sure you can, I did not make comment on the effectiveness of said constraints |
| 05:24.28 | Bounty | Then they will just remove the restraints |
| 05:24.33 | Bounty | Which is how we got here in the first place |
| 05:25.02 | ArcanePariah | True, but even those of greed and competitivness still submit to a more base emotion/impulse: Self preservation |
| 05:25.32 | ArcanePariah | If greed will get you killed, that serves as a fairly effective deterrrant, what use is wealth, if you are dead? |
| 05:25.53 | Bounty | Yeah, the mindset of self preservation in the sense of individualism is why we won't last long as a species |
| 05:26.21 | ArcanePariah | Yes, but it isn't always individualistic. Exhibit A: China |
| 05:26.49 | Bounty | China is very individualistic lol |
| 05:26.52 | ArcanePariah | Chinese culture very much values social stability |
| 05:26.53 | ArcanePariah | ??? |
| 05:26.57 | Bounty | The masses are not |
| 05:27.06 | Bounty | the masses are just slaves to the sweatshops |
| 05:27.14 | Bounty | although they did just pass some law I read |
| 05:27.18 | Bounty | that will help that |
| 05:27.31 | Bounty | I think a better example |
| 05:27.33 | ArcanePariah | Who are still chinese and most chinese approve of their government actions, because so far they have led to economic prosperity |
| 05:27.36 | Bounty | is Japan |
| 05:27.43 | ArcanePariah | Japan is even more extreme |
| 05:27.45 | Bounty | Japan is way better of an example |
| 05:27.49 | ArcanePariah | But yes, similar mindset |
| 05:27.55 | Bounty | More efficient |
| 05:28.00 | ArcanePariah | The good of the group comes before individual |
| 05:28.03 | Bounty | Less damaging to the masses |
| 05:28.10 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 05:28.14 | Bounty | and there is almost no poverty |
| 05:28.17 | Bounty | everyone does pretty well |
| 05:29.55 | Bounty | China pretty much enslaves its population and pollutes the fuck out the world |
| 05:30.15 | Bounty | Pretty much what we do only on a more successful level lol |
| 05:32.15 | JademusSreg | imagines economists ban physicists from their field, as thermodynamic entropy doesn't get along with unbounded growth models. |
| 05:33.20 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg they pretty much, notice wall street hires mathematicians but not physicsts? ::P |
| 05:33.31 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 05:34.21 | Bounty | I would think that has to do with the oil industry? |
| 05:34.30 | Bounty | Or is that what you meant anyways? |
| 05:34.31 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:34.36 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 05:35.53 | JademusSreg | I like my jokes how I like my code: descriptive, abstract, and referential. |
| 05:36.38 | DeadZergling | Grats on not getting involved Bounty |
| 05:37.29 | Bounty | Thanks |
| 05:37.35 | Bounty | I think I did pretty good |
| 05:37.48 | Bounty | Atleast I did not start it |
| 05:37.55 | DeadZergling | for Bounty, yes you did |
| 05:38.12 | Bounty | I am not even sure how you guys got to that point... |
| 05:38.24 | Bounty | Was talking about Black Friday lol |
| 05:39.05 | DeadZergling | me wanting to call Obama an idiot |
| 05:39.07 | DeadZergling | I think |
| 05:39.51 | DeadZergling | going offline a bit anyways, need to reset router |
| 05:40.24 | Ownage | I'm trying to make a unit cause no pathing collision but I'm having a weird outcome |
| 05:40.58 | Ownage | I have a grid of vikings in assault mode and a test zergling. I've applied suppress collision flag to all the vikings, and when I order the zergling to walk from one side of them to the other, he goes around them |
| 05:41.18 | Ownage | however if I 'baby step' him through them, he navigates through, but kind of... waggles a little |
| 05:41.53 | Ownage | if I lift them into fighter mode he doesn't do any of this. how can I set them to just be completely walkable, through trigger? |
| 05:43.22 | Ownage | or behavior |
| 05:44.30 | Ownage | I tried plane delta -1 on ground, I tried -1 ground and 1 air, I tried bury, I tried supress collision, and combinations of those |
| 05:47.42 | Ownage | if I grab a bunch of zerglings and make them run from one side to the other, most go around the vikings, and a few go through them |
| 06:25.26 | ArcanePariah | Ownage are you trying to apply a behavior to the units you don't want collision or is this a permanant thing? |
| 06:27.14 | ArcanePariah | I think if you want to make the zerglings path through the vikings, you need to set the suppress collision on both of them |
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| 07:03.26 | G0A | wow Forbes are very factual http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/07/02/quake-iii-arena-bots-reportedly-stop-fighting-after-4-year-match/ |
| 07:20.42 | JademusSreg | Cute. |
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| 11:06.44 | DeadZergling | was playing your competition today Z, lol |
| 11:07.25 | DeadZergling | certainly a lot less randomness about resources in squadron TD |
| 11:17.02 | DeadZergling | was rather nice having it actually tell me exactly how much bonus minerals I'd get each round too |
| 11:27.39 | duckies | yea, pretty prety please add an indication of waves default income right from the start zol ;/ |
| 11:29.10 | DeadZergling | the end defender for squadron TD pwned the hell out of the current setup too, lol |
| 11:40.16 | Zolden | squadron td updated? |
| 11:40.37 | Zolden | yes, guys, i'll add wave bonus indicator |
| 11:41.02 | DeadZergling | dunno, just played a few games, got level 20 something |
| 11:41.08 | DeadZergling | and modded more |
| 11:41.11 | Zolden | i had a thought that squad td author will feel competition from my map and boost updates |
| 11:41.30 | Zolden | it was realy slow last year |
| 11:43.20 | Zolden | is there "fuck you giving" day as opposite to "thanksgiving" in usa? |
| 11:46.38 | DeadZergling | dunno, could be |
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| 12:00.23 | Zolden | creates a snow copy of duckies, animates it and settles an idea into his snow head to become the great duck king by enslaving all ducks |
| 12:07.11 | Serashin | you suck jellyfishtits Zolden |
| 12:07.19 | Serashin | still cost bluargh |
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| 14:03.45 | kingTD | heh splash damage imba, playd game and guy maxed snow queens and marauders |
| 14:03.51 | kingTD | seems like works great |
| 14:04.08 | kingTD | since they dont do reduces so much damage to crystalick |
| 14:04.25 | kingTD | now really sends fucks ups builds. |
| 14:04.45 | kingTD | the zergling with acid and the armor debuff is imba |
| 14:04.56 | kingTD | if that debuff would be for melee damage that would be fine |
| 14:05.07 | kingTD | but u making Ranged towers too imba |
| 14:05.13 | kingTD | too much buffs for them |
| 14:05.19 | kingTD | dmg speed and shit |
| 14:05.30 | kingTD | melee ones just have nothing almost |
| 14:06.23 | kingTD | htat is cool |
| 14:07.05 | kingTD | early waves already are mostly melee and sending ranged unit is just way too much having opportunity do constant dmg |
| 14:10.40 | kingTD | unless u dont spend const yard laser to fire the fucker out at first appearance |
| 14:18.20 | kingTD | get afk detection zolden |
| 14:36.13 | Zolden | kingTD have it in list |
| 14:36.30 | Zolden | and yes, early ranged sends now have imba component in their substance |
| 14:36.34 | kingTD | is it really hard to make? :/ what you doing that now? |
| 14:36.37 | Zolden | but i'm not sure that it's bad |
| 14:37.30 | Zolden | and those marauders... i've been nerfing them the whole map's lifetime, nerfed like 10 times |
| 14:37.34 | Zolden | and still the fuckers rock |
| 14:39.21 | Zolden | afk detect isn't hard, just not so urgent, and haven't decided how to do it |
| 14:40.43 | G0A | kingTD look into the lboby! |
| 14:40.48 | kingTD | saw that |
| 14:40.56 | kingTD | thought better to fight you back |
| 14:40.57 | G0A | yeah just in time:D |
| 14:41.14 | G0A | btw I crashed last night |
| 14:41.22 | G0A | stupid chrome browser |
| 14:43.48 | kingTD | Zolden display fucking dmage dealt by laser |
| 14:47.00 | Dustin | Morning gents |
| 14:48.33 | G0A | Zolden display who sent the units |
| 14:48.41 | Zolden | G0A on units? |
| 14:48.59 | Zolden | kingTD ok |
| 14:49.34 | G0A | in the units... |
| 14:49.45 | Zolden | ok, i'll try |
| 14:49.50 | G0A | use unit text or tooltip |
| 14:49.57 | G0A | you can do it with trigger |
| 14:50.13 | Dustin | Little text tag with player name would be cool |
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| 15:06.14 | kingTD | Zolden your buff shield is bugged |
| 15:06.24 | kingTD | it renges 50 hp per sec? or what |
| 15:08.18 | Zolden | kingTD yea, jsut uploaded a fix |
| 15:08.47 | Zolden | or possible fix |
| 15:08.55 | Zolden | not sure |
| 15:14.39 | G0A | also it at upgrade it recharged the shield to full. (you need to change only the max...) |
| 15:17.05 | kingTD | idk idk zolden really u need to rethink your balance of the game and progress |
| 15:17.10 | kingTD | as now everything is imba |
| 15:17.19 | kingTD | anything u change makes more imbalance |
| 15:24.58 | G0A | :D |
| 15:25.12 | G0A | he should rethink about the amount of bug he adds:D |
| 15:25.20 | G0A | I think its well balanced though |
| 15:25.34 | G0A | noobs always will make you run for your "win" |
| 15:40.52 | kingTD | well there is no balance and builders imba, res gaining upgrading imba; senders imba; towers dmg imba with all those splash, buffs, debuffs and shit |
| 15:46.33 | G0A | if everything is imba then everything is balanced:D |
| 15:48.16 | kingTD | yeah right |
| 15:48.19 | kingTD | hhahahahahaha |
| 15:48.22 | kingTD | <.< |
| 15:50.53 | Zolden | :)) |
| 15:52.10 | kingTD | ffs those lings with armor reduction |
| 15:52.59 | Zolden | G0A it only affects max. I think bug was because aura period is 1.0, and the lenght of the behavior aura adds is 1.0625 And looks like sometimes 1 > 1.0625 |
| 15:53.23 | Zolden | kingTD got your ass armor reduced? |
| 15:53.43 | kingTD | yeah send them those zerglins back their asses was kicked too |
| 15:53.47 | kingTD | ffs this balance |
| 15:54.04 | Zolden | i'll test more, and maybe reduce lings' dmg |
| 15:54.07 | Zolden | not sure |
| 15:57.28 | kingTD | lol? dmg |
| 15:57.33 | kingTD | ffs zolden |
| 15:58.00 | kingTD | problem not damage but role it make in fight |
| 15:59.22 | kingTD | u think wider about the synergy between the builders and fighters |
| 15:59.26 | kingTD | not just fucking dmg |
| 15:59.40 | kingTD | u balancing not one unit |
| 15:59.49 | kingTD | but the whole bunch of units |
| 16:00.03 | kingTD | that can amplify dmg and shit |
| 16:05.19 | kingTD | Zolden the fuckers that kills towers better would give +1 g income |
| 16:11.40 | G0A | yeah sending some units like converting resouce into gold:D |
| 16:12.31 | kingTD | op but who gives a FUCK? not zolden |
| 16:13.46 | G0A | :D |
| 16:14.07 | kingTD | ok need to finish basic gameplay features of KaM |
| 16:14.41 | Zolden | is it the same as AoK? |
| 16:14.54 | Zolden | or a new shit? |
| 16:15.05 | kingTD | no KaM = Knights and Merchants |
| 16:15.14 | kingTD | setters shit |
| 16:15.20 | Zolden | your new map? |
| 16:15.29 | G0A | add roads!!!!! |
| 16:15.34 | kingTD | well concept had before working |
| 16:15.36 | kingTD | without roads |
| 16:15.41 | Zolden | oh, the jew map |
| 16:15.46 | G0A | :) |
| 16:16.00 | kingTD | and adding roads is jews job |
| 16:16.02 | G0A | without roads its just another crappy rts |
| 16:16.08 | kingTD | not really |
| 16:16.49 | G0A | btw this is the ultimate settlers game: https://wl.widelands.org// |
| 16:16.53 | kingTD | it have a lot more just another Age of Empires |
| 16:18.02 | G0A | Age of Empires was only good because it had good campaign and lots of content. |
| 16:18.12 | kingTD | plus making roads and units to walk on mostly dont have a clue how to make so |
| 16:18.55 | G0A | will you have units to build and transport stuff? |
| 16:19.46 | kingTD | G0A what resources does that game have? |
| 16:20.35 | G0A | widelands? |
| 16:22.03 | kingTD | yeah now will work on making units to construct shit and then making barracks with making ur own unit. Example u have only Hand Axe and Iron Shields, u add those together and making unit with those weapons. And so with every different weapon armor or even without armors making units |
| 16:22.05 | kingTD | yeah |
| 16:25.48 | G0A | first you could add roads that just give movement speed bonus |
| 16:25.52 | G0A | that would be easy to do |
| 16:26.24 | G0A | widelands has all settlers 2 resources and bunch of other resources |
| 16:27.17 | kingTD | didnt played settlers 2 |
| 16:27.39 | kingTD | seems like it have most of the Knights and Merchants resources |
| 16:27.48 | kingTD | without all instruments\ |
| 16:30.39 | kingTD | ohh found page with resources |
| 16:34.04 | A1win | settlers 2 was awesome, was so different from other games at that time |
| 16:36.21 | kingTD | btw was thinking of just creep building that would add only moveemetn speed. |
| 16:40.15 | kingTD | KaM = http://www.knightsandmerchants.net/information/resources/ |
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| 16:47.12 | G0A | yeah you could use creep as road |
| 16:47.19 | G0A | as a start:D |
| 16:50.25 | Zolden | use crap as road |
| 16:50.26 | kingTD | heh, need to play some more imba |
| 18:11.25 | Zolden | time to add more waves |
| 18:11.38 | Zolden | it's imba enough so nothing to change |
| 18:12.18 | Zolden | actualy higher tier researches are very imba, but i can't test since we can't reach higher waves |
| 19:05.36 | G0A | kingtd leave?:D |
| 19:05.42 | kingTD | yeah |
| 19:06.14 | kingTD | why the fuck turn off the game? |
| 19:06.28 | G0A | didnt want to loose elo:D |
| 19:06.35 | kingTD | mm cool |
| 19:06.54 | G0A | Zolden when do you calculate elo? |
| 19:24.12 | Stewox | G0A you wanna let me fix pictionary with you ? |
| 19:27.51 | G0A | fix what? |
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| 19:29.09 | kingTD | lol |
| 19:40.12 | Zolden | lol |
| 19:40.24 | Zolden | G0A you lose elo when game starts |
| 19:40.40 | Zolden | if you win it rewrites to the win result |
| 19:42.11 | G0A | as I thought |
| 19:45.41 | Zolden | all die on immo ;/ |
| 19:48.09 | Stewox | G0A i have feedback for that pictionary map |
| 19:48.21 | Stewox | you can do that in 20 mins, it will make the map a lot better |
| 19:48.25 | Stewox | i have like 5 ideas |
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| 19:57.52 | Bounty | pew |
| 19:58.42 | kingTD | cool we beat the pros with g0a in magic shit |
| 19:59.18 | G0A | Stewox feel free to write down your ideas here |
| 19:59.50 | G0A | kingTD its always fun to win against so called "pros" |
| 19:59.58 | Stewox | have you opened the map? so we can work real-time, most practical and efficient |
| 20:00.10 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhqUk28OwHs |
| 20:00.56 | Stewox | countermeasures for you bounty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-XCeLjgIYM |
| 20:01.05 | G0A | I wont be opening the editor no need for that |
| 20:02.02 | Stewox | why ? |
| 20:03.33 | kingTD | he just explained |
| 20:03.47 | G0A | because I am doing else, but list your stuff, lets see it |
| 20:05.06 | JademusSreg | Frloog. |
| 20:05.54 | Stewox | okay g0Až |
| 20:09.30 | Stewox | Pictionary Feedback: 1. Add button "DONE" to Current_Painting_Player to start the VAR_Minutes countdown timer and show the image to other players, the time limit would be 60 seconds after that the image and countdown would activate automatically |
| 20:12.59 | G0A | you mean it wouldnt be visible for x time what you paint? |
| 20:14.10 | Stewox | Pictionary Feedback: 2: Add buttons "SHOW SEMI HINT" and "SHOW FULL HINT" for the Current_Painting_Player, that the player could hit in the last 30 seconds of the VAR_Minutes countdown timer, if he so wishes, the semi hint only shows first letter of each word, the full hint is the one that already exists and shows half the letters |
| 20:15.37 | G0A | not bad idea... |
| 20:19.41 | Ownage | are there sorting functions? |
| 20:19.55 | Ownage | or must I build one myself |
| 20:20.05 | A1win | there should be some library that has some, not loaded by default |
| 20:20.57 | Stewox | Pictionary Feedback: 3. Afther the VAR_Minutes countdown (the main timer for others guessing the image) do not end the round immediately instead show the FULL HINT automatically, with additional 30 secons which would be a separate extra timer, after that the game will NOT REVEAL THE IMAGE NAME AT ALL |
| 20:21.58 | JademusSreg | A1, Own, the GUI quicksort is more of a template. |
| 20:22.14 | Ownage | what is that |
| 20:22.35 | Ownage | I'm talking for example if I had 100 unit types, I would want to iterate them from let's say movement speed lowest to highest |
| 20:22.58 | Ownage | sounds like I'll need to build it myself? |
| 20:23.23 | JademusSreg | Can save time by using the template, but basically, yes. |
| 20:23.47 | Ownage | can you tell me what you mean by that |
| 20:23.50 | Stewox | Pictionary Feedback: 4: Scoring, Players guessing the image Correctly in the main VAR_Minutes countdown timer would score the maximum amount of X points, when players guess the image at the time when SEMI HINT has been deployed, the awarding points would be 50%, when FULL HINT is activated the player correctly guessing the image would receive 25% points of the maximum of X |
| 20:25.00 | JademusSreg | iirc, in the Ntve GUI library (aka "Built-in"), there's a quicksort template. Copy it, modify it. |
| 20:25.58 | Stewox | Pictionary Feedback: 5 Correction, Ignore the "SHOW FULL HINT" Button, the Current_Painting_Player should only have the ability to show SEMI HINT, so that the FULL HINT is RESERVED for EXTRA 30sec TIMER |
| 20:26.24 | Ownage | that's the part I'm not getting. do I need to import that somehow? |
| 20:27.44 | JademusSreg | In the top left frame of the trigger module, there is a thing labeled "Built-in". Open it, tada, there's the definition for the standard GUI stuff. |
| 20:28.22 | A1win | View - Show Libraries to open the "top left frame" |
| 20:28.37 | Ownage | ohhhh thanks |
| 20:28.43 | Ownage | that's what I was missing haha |
| 20:30.10 | A1win | today's work: a button to open Controls options and a button to close it, some minor refactoring x_x |
| 20:30.12 | G0A | reducing score to 1 after hint is displayed sounds fair |
| 20:32.29 | G0A | though it would promote people to not draw at all if they want to reach better score so I wont add it... |
| 20:32.58 | JademusSreg | Goa, use a different formula. |
| 20:33.24 | G0A | I dont want to make it more complicated... |
| 20:33.54 | JademusSreg | Haha, wouldn't be complicated to put a person in last place. =D |
| 20:34.03 | G0A | 1 score for making an image which is found out and 2 score for finding out an image is pretty simple and nice |
| 20:34.14 | A1win | give the drawer score if people guess it faster |
| 20:34.32 | G0A | yeah that would be the most optimal |
| 20:35.07 | G0A | but that is abusable... |
| 20:35.27 | A1win | something's always abusable in pictionary |
| 20:35.36 | A1win | it's a party game, not competitive |
| 20:35.46 | G0A | yeah |
| 20:35.58 | G0A | but it would be more abusable than currently |
| 20:36.14 | Stewox | G0A, why do you think people would not paint, it's not like mapnight guys are going to throw the cheese |
| 20:36.23 | G0A | telling your friend what is the image and he finds it out in the first second would be quite imba. |
| 20:36.26 | Stewox | G0A, this is not complicated |
| 20:36.26 | Bounty | Is there anyway to view skyboxes/parallax in the model viewer? |
| 20:36.31 | Stewox | this is what I call ADVANCED |
| 20:36.45 | Stewox | and it's what .... usually noobs call "complicated" |
| 20:36.49 | JademusSreg | Bounty, use the fit to view command. |
| 20:36.59 | Bounty | where is that located? |
| 20:37.05 | Stewox | complicated is something that isn't necessairly advanced |
| 20:37.33 | Stewox | G0A what friend ? |
| 20:37.36 | Bounty | zoom to fit JademusSreg? |
| 20:38.11 | Stewox | you just change those scores silently |
| 20:38.42 | Stewox | they wouldn't figure it out for months :p |
| 20:38.54 | JademusSreg | In the Cutscene editor, select the object, View > Fit to blahblah |
| 20:39.09 | A1win | G0A, what about making the drawer lose score if people don't guess? |
| 20:39.28 | Bounty | doesnt work Jade :) |
| 20:39.45 | G0A | A1win they already dont gain score instead of gaining 1 |
| 20:39.48 | Stewox | no WHAT |
| 20:39.55 | Stewox | wait |
| 20:39.59 | JademusSreg | I also resize such models to see them better. |
| 20:40.20 | JademusSreg | Select object, press Enter, modify its scale properties. |
| 20:40.29 | Stewox | G0A, Current_painting_player doesn't suppose to get any scores for his image being found out !!#$=!$$!##! wth! |
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| 20:41.34 | Stewox | That doesn't make any sense |
| 20:41.36 | Bounty | maybe you're just using a diff editor than me JademusSreg |
| 20:41.40 | Bounty | I select it and hit enter |
| 20:41.43 | Bounty | nothing happens lol |
| 20:42.06 | G0A | Stewox then why should he paint... |
| 20:42.21 | Stewox | that's the point of the game |
| 20:42.24 | Stewox | he has to paint |
| 20:42.45 | JademusSreg | Cutscene editor. |
| 20:42.58 | Zolden | cute scene editor |
| 20:43.07 | Stewox | besides, I already said, the score stuff is to get fair and not end to quickly, and MapNight people wouldn't throw CHEESE as I said, it's about fun we have with this map |
| 20:43.16 | JademusSreg | ♥ |
| 20:43.48 | Stewox | why would they stop painting ... as I said, you just change the scoring silently, you only display results, they won't notice it anyways |
| 20:44.21 | Serashin | I DONT KNOW WHAT THIS bOUt |
| 20:44.35 | G0A | Hmm you think that only people from map night play it and that they are dumb. |
| 20:44.52 | Stewox | well who else plays it anyways ? |
| 20:44.56 | A1win | stop trying to make pictionary competitive :P |
| 20:45.02 | Serashin | im dumb for playing game , but im smart for putting trash into correct bins |
| 20:45.06 | Serashin | ))) |
| 20:45.14 | Bommes | holy shit I didn't even know the director of the Warcraft movie is the son of David Bowie |
| 20:45.33 | Stewox | no im making it more advanced as it's quite annoying now G0A this is serious, the 30 chars limit made me go crazy |
| 20:45.43 | Stewox | it's just a few things and it'll be fixed, it'll be more fun |
| 20:45.51 | Stewox | won't make it different |
| 20:46.04 | A1win | I meant G0A, overthinking the scoring |
| 20:46.05 | Ownage | I hope it will be as good a movie as dungeons and dragons was |
| 20:46.13 | Ownage | or street fighter! |
| 20:46.20 | Stewox | but that's my fault by not having an idea before I see the screen to enter the Image name LOL |
| 20:46.24 | Ownage | OR GI JOE! amazing adaptations |
| 20:46.35 | Stewox | so I kind of didn't had enough time to enter it and I entered too long string |
| 20:46.45 | JademusSreg | New idea - Dicktionary: Pictionary, except all the pictures involve the word "dick". |
| 20:46.53 | JademusSreg | draws a white whale. |
| 20:46.57 | Serashin | Goa has the best ranking system in any map i played so far . Period |
| 20:47.00 | Serashin | step it up |
| 20:47.03 | Bounty | I remember we played that game once |
| 20:47.10 | Bounty | at a map night |
| 20:47.20 | Bounty | Actually, I think it was just me who was playing that version... |
| 20:48.41 | Stewox | Pictionary Feedback 6: You don't have to remove 30 chars limit G0A, maybe make it 35, but it would be extra great if you put a INDICATOR showing the number of CHARACERS LEFT beside the image name typing box. |
| 20:48.54 | Ownage | draws a football player kissing another football player's ass |
| 20:49.04 | G0A | thx Serashin :) |
| 20:49.29 | Ownage | anyone? anyone? |
| 20:49.44 | Stewox | 6 of these points, if you do them, it'll be more fun because I can focus on laughing instead of frantically hammering on the keyboard, |
| 20:49.47 | JademusSreg | Dick Butkiss. |
| 20:49.51 | G0A | Stewox yeah indicator is good idea |
| 20:49.59 | Ownage | Dick Butkus you sicko |
| 20:50.07 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 20:50.50 | Stewox | the scoring thing, I just feel they should get less score for guessing an image with the HELP of HINT, but not that imporant we choose 40 limit so the game should take longer :p |
| 20:51.21 | Stewox | also remember |
| 20:52.34 | Stewox | UNDER ANY CONDITION, the Image Name should not be revealed at the end, if it's not guessed, it remains a secret, |
| 20:53.05 | Stewox | now write that down or save, you'll forget half of it, that's why i wanted you to do this thing now or ASAP |
| 20:53.30 | Stewox | maybe I can think of another idea in the meantime ... |
| 20:53.54 | G0A | If I dont reveal the name of it people would just annoy each other by drawing the same stuff.... |
| 20:54.34 | A1win | they can already annoy each other by typing in random characters |
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| 21:00.22 | Stewox | G0A, no, again, that's used to protect the idea for future use but not for spam use indeed, something being ADVANCED is finding other ways to get rid of this problem and .... |
| 21:03.39 | Stewox | Pictionary Feedback: 7: For all the Guessing_Players there should be a button "VOTE ROUND SKIP - ANTI-SPAM" + Numbers X/Y in which case the Y would be the number of all players in the game and the required number for the skip to activate, the X would show the current number of players who clicked on this BUTTON. |
| 21:04.29 | Stewox | So, all players would have to click that in order for the current_painting_player to be disqualified and his round being cut short |
| 21:05.10 | G0A | It has kick... |
| 21:05.28 | Stewox | haven't seen it |
| 21:05.41 | Stewox | does it work like I described ? |
| 21:05.53 | Stewox | you need to put that button a bit more noticable and bigger :p |
| 21:17.17 | kingTD | Zolden http://snag.gy/DXTLJ.jpg |
| 21:18.17 | G0A | early sends imba:D |
| 21:21.18 | kingTD | early ranged ones like couple of Zerglings |
| 21:21.20 | kingTD | marines |
| 21:21.31 | kingTD | and then getting 9 farms |
| 21:21.45 | kingTD | NA map night |
| 21:24.30 | Zolden | kingTD what's going on on that image? |
| 21:24.39 | kingTD | mass income! |
| 21:24.48 | Zolden | G0A yea, i'll nerf acid and marine a bit |
| 21:24.56 | Zolden | oh |
| 21:24.58 | Zolden | yea |
| 21:25.08 | Zolden | how did you mange to achieve this high income? |
| 21:25.28 | kingTD | 9 farms |
| 21:26.06 | Zolden | what farms? |
| 21:26.08 | Zolden | cows? |
| 21:26.11 | Zolden | pigs? |
| 21:26.13 | Zolden | monkeys? |
| 21:27.54 | kingTD | G0A had like 5-7 |
| 21:27.59 | kingTD | near me |
| 21:32.08 | Serashin | Zolden map bright future |
| 21:32.33 | kingTD | he trolling he rolling |
| 21:47.39 | kingTD | NA map night |
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| 21:53.57 | Cardanis | Quick question: Which trigger would I use to give a player the overlord transport upgraed? |
| 21:57.38 | kingTD | tech tree |
| 22:01.12 | Cardanis | Ya, I try to set the level of the upgrade to 1, my overlords still can't transport |
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| 22:29.37 | paynis | hey guys |
| 22:29.44 | paynis | I need help with Layout UI... |
| 22:30.10 | paynis | http://i.imgur.com/tKdbnaK.png I'm trying to achieve this |
| 22:31.25 | JademusSreg | Moooba. |
| 22:31.32 | JademusSreg | Looks easy enough. |
| 22:32.14 | JademusSreg | So what is the problem? |
| 22:32.57 | ArcanePariah | Probably needs the guide on how to use the UI editor |
| 22:33.03 | ArcanePariah | In order to bring that about |
| 22:34.25 | ArcanePariah | Speaking of which, I have been referring to your paste on the UI element hierarchy, where exactly is that found? I'm assuming it is described somewhere in a UI XML file in a MPQ, I'm also assuming for brevity you removed the various implemented classes because of the sheer number of them |
| 22:35.28 | ArcanePariah | Mostly want to examine how the various unit status bars are implemented (thought I suspect they have internal elements that then reference the actors for the actual data... |
| 22:35.44 | JademusSreg | I compiled it from both all the standard UI files and information contained in the client strings. |
| 22:36.36 | ArcanePariah | Are the standard UI files exposed in the UI editor? It does seem Blizzard vastly overhauled the UI in HotS and over the last couple patches, there are far more frames availabe to be used as templates |
| 22:37.01 | ArcanePariah | Standard UI files seems to have dozens of layout files now |
| 22:37.19 | paynis | I can'T get the Minimap out of the way |
| 22:37.20 | JademusSreg | Pretty much; I extracted them all, dumped into a single file, regex'd the hell out of it. |
| 22:37.25 | paynis | the rest is nearly all taken care of |
| 22:37.32 | paynis | except for the Command Card Buttons matter |
| 22:38.09 | ArcanePariah | paynis, for the minimap, you need to either use the UI editor and set the visability of that frame to false, or use triggers, which have an action to hide built in UI frames, minimap among them |
| 22:38.34 | ArcanePariah | Under the UI section of triggers, there is an action called "Show/Hide UI Frame" |
| 22:38.49 | paynis | isn't there a way to Move it out of the screen, like is usually suggested? |
| 22:38.56 | paynis | it seems like the Vis=False thing doesn't work on it |
| 22:39.08 | paynis | and i don'T want to use triggesr for this :/ |
| 22:39.38 | ArcanePariah | Interesting... where did you place the <Visible val = "false"/> |
| 22:39.42 | ArcanePariah | ? |
| 22:40.54 | ArcanePariah | It should be placed in the layout that is overriding the GameUI layout |
| 22:42.08 | paynis | ah, I got it |
| 22:42.38 | paynis | <Frame type="MinimapPanel" name="GameUI/UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/MinimapPanel" file="GameUI"> <Visible val = "false"/> </Frame> |
| 22:42.42 | paynis | that didn'T work |
| 22:42.52 | paynis | but reducing the size of the frame worked |
| 22:44.11 | ArcanePariah | Interesting that it doesn't let itself be hid, I thought visibility was something all frames had |
| 22:44.34 | ArcanePariah | IN any case, yes, the simplest way to hide it would be to set its left anchor to be the right side of the screen |
| 22:44.43 | ArcanePariah | and then offset it by a large amount to the right |
| 22:44.56 | ArcanePariah | effectively placing it offscreen |
| 22:45.44 | Ownage | is there a way to 'commit' changes to the catalog? |
| 22:46.00 | Ownage | I'm changing unit resource cost of a unit, then querying it later and finding it's the original value |
| 22:46.10 | JademusSreg | Why is there an additional close frame tag? |
| 22:46.18 | Ownage | though it functions in game as if I changed it |
| 22:46.20 | JademusSreg | Oh, misread. |
| 22:46.28 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg question, what does the batch value do in UI frames? I heard once that it made it so all frames of the same type updates on the same game loop? |
| 22:47.18 | Ownage | in other words I set a unit to have mineral cost of x, when in data it has cost of y. When I go to build that unit it costs x, but if I check catalog entry or mineral cost of that unit via triggers it shows y |
| 22:47.50 | ArcanePariah | Ownage I am not sure, I think what you need to do is instead of catalog field values set, you need to do catalog link replacement maybe? |
| 22:48.10 | paynis | I can't click through where the UI I moved used to be.. |
| 22:48.48 | JademusSreg | Arc, Batch stuff is only used in a few places, such as in standard unit status frames. I can only speculate as to its purpose, given its limited application. |
| 22:49.11 | Ownage | I've never used link replacement, can you give me a quick idea what it means |
| 22:49.13 | ArcanePariah | paynis, you need to make sure you moved the parent frame and also some elements have seperate frames for mouse clicks/hit tests and for the actual visualization |
| 22:49.42 | paynis | what is the parent frame? :/ |
| 22:49.58 | ArcanePariah | Ownage, I am somewhat spectulating, I am not entirely sure the difference tbh |
| 22:50.09 | paynis | http://pastebin.com/a3agSitN |
| 22:50.16 | paynis | my current code |
| 22:51.11 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... everything looks ok |
| 22:51.31 | ArcanePariah | What is the issue you are having again? |
| 22:51.51 | JademusSreg | Pay, by some chance are you using the old method of UI modding, rather than using the UI editor module? |
| 22:52.33 | ArcanePariah | Tbh, what's the difference (other then easier right click to add frames)? |
| 22:52.57 | ArcanePariah | Still have to create layouts and override built in frames to change them |
| 22:53.10 | JademusSreg | Using the UI module has the advantage of automagically adding your layout files to the Desc list. |
| 22:53.36 | ArcanePariah | Ohhh, true, instead of having to either import them or add them to the import list int he GameUI data |
| 22:53.44 | JademusSreg | And better management. We don't need to override files so crudely anymore. |
| 22:53.59 | ArcanePariah | True, it is more streamlines and integrated |
| 22:54.07 | ArcanePariah | streamlined* |
| 22:54.51 | JademusSreg | Since it's not working, most likely explanation is that its not being loaded in the first place, so pay is most likely using the old override method. |
| 22:54.54 | ArcanePariah | And I sorely pray they finish the ingame UI editor, it is obviously WIP but some of the possible actions sugguest one could modify stuff and then commit it back or at least save the current changes and then reimport them |
| 22:55.16 | Ownage | one of the google links I found for catalog link replace is me asking what they are in this channel 2 months ago and I got no answer then.. does anyone know or know where I can find out? |
| 22:55.27 | ArcanePariah | Which would make building them FAR FAR faster, current one already lets one experiment pretty heavily |
| 22:56.25 | ArcanePariah | Ownage, my only guess is the catalog link replace lets you specify a new effects/change data links without using upgrades. Many objects in the data editor are linked by object ID's |
| 22:56.35 | JademusSreg | Catalog link replace is to catalog data what an interception is to a pass in a sports context. |
| 22:56.54 | ArcanePariah | yah, like if you want to change weapons on a unit on the flw |
| 22:56.55 | ArcanePariah | fly* |
| 22:57.01 | paynis | so, I still have that problem: I cannot click through what I have rendered invisible |
| 22:57.07 | paynis | and I can't figure out how to move out of the way :c |
| 22:57.21 | JademusSreg | pay, disable the frame. |
| 22:57.26 | JademusSreg | Enable val="false" |
| 22:57.30 | Ownage | hmm they're not even listed on the wiki at all |
| 22:57.32 | JademusSreg | Or some such. |
| 22:57.41 | ArcanePariah | Or disable mouse clicks |
| 22:57.59 | ArcanePariah | There is value for controlling if a frame interacts with mouse clicks |
| 22:58.14 | JademusSreg | Disabling the frame disables its functionality entirely, iirc. |
| 22:58.17 | Ownage | well if I understand you then it sounds like it would do what I want? |
| 22:58.33 | Ownage | I want to forever get the new value for mineral cost of that unit via catalog, ignoring the original |
| 22:58.38 | ArcanePariah | Ownage yes, probably, so I would give it a shot |
| 22:59.01 | ArcanePariah | Do a link replace to set the new value, and see if the later query returns the new value |
| 22:59.10 | A1win | JademusSreg, they still catch mouse clicks while disabled, just don't generate events |
| 22:59.10 | Ownage | what I don't understand is why does it "work" except when I query it |
| 23:00.03 | JademusSreg | Replacing a link operates on (you may notice a consistent terminological theme here, if paying attention) what GUI users would call a Game Link. It changes all links to a given data entry, it doesn't change values. |
| 23:00.17 | JademusSreg | A1, good to know, thanks. =D |
| 23:00.54 | Ownage | it's asking me for string to string |
| 23:00.55 | A1win | like if there are two buttons on top of each other and the top one is disabled, the one below it can't be clicked |
| 23:01.02 | ArcanePariah | Ownage probably because when you load the map, it takes everything defined in data (all xml) and loads that into memory and uses those values at runtime, however catalog queries are directed at the XML files (hence why they tend to be slow, accessing disk instead of memory) |
| 23:01.25 | Ownage | so what I should do here is find the string version of the catalog path, and then replacement would be the same thing but for a different unit with that cost? or |
| 23:01.36 | JademusSreg | Dear lord. |
| 23:01.43 | Ownage | ArcanePariah, no what I'm saying is the opposite |
| 23:02.00 | Ownage | at game load it's 999999 and I change that with catalog set value |
| 23:02.11 | Ownage | when I go to build that unit, it's now for example 175 |
| 23:02.15 | Ownage | forever, works fine |
| 23:02.17 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/m5vjd |
| 23:02.31 | JademusSreg | CatalogFieldValueSet |
| 23:02.36 | Ownage | but if I query it via catalog or mineral cost, it gives me 999999 |
| 23:03.15 | JademusSreg | To get, CatalogFieldValueGet. |
| 23:03.53 | ArcanePariah | Ownage, the only thin I can think of is that you change the cost for player X, and somehow are asking the cost of the unit as seen by player Y |
| 23:04.01 | JademusSreg | ^ |
| 23:04.03 | Ownage | ok let me check that |
| 23:04.05 | ArcanePariah | Since catalog changes are done a player basis |
| 23:04.08 | ArcanePariah | just like upgrades |
| 23:04.42 | ArcanePariah | And JademusSreg, can I assume instatiateing a frame of a given type will use the archtype values as specified in your paste? |
| 23:04.47 | paynis | i got it. |
| 23:05.27 | JademusSreg | Arc, clarify? |
| 23:06.20 | ArcanePariah | In your paste, all the frames have defined values, and are defined by the constants defined in the same file (Like Visibiles = "#bool" and #bool = true up to |
| 23:06.46 | ArcanePariah | top* |
| 23:07.11 | ArcanePariah | So if I were to make a frame of type frame, I can assume my newly created frame will automatically have the values defined in your paste |
| 23:07.15 | JademusSreg | Ah, those are not defaults; merely included those as a syntactically valid means of demonstrating their types. |
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| 23:07.57 | ArcanePariah | Oh... so all the frame values are ones you specified? |
| 23:08.39 | ArcanePariah | Just for that test UI files, to show the ranges of values of each field/data type? |
| 23:09.26 | JademusSreg | Yeah, what matters are the frame types and the elements they support. Needed an easy value for all the elements that wouldn't spit back an error and would communicate supported type, thus the constants. |
| 23:09.27 | ArcanePariah | IN which case... what ARE the default values, I would assume a frame of type frame has those values defined or because it is XML, it can live with undefined values? |
| 23:09.34 | JademusSreg | Definitely not their default values. |
| 23:09.48 | A1win | ideas for what's the best way to save player controls setup and loadout setup in bank? a few dozen integers total |
| 23:09.59 | JademusSreg | Yeah, any element not defined has a default value. |
| 23:10.09 | ArcanePariah | So if I fail to define supported elements of a frame, they are simply undefined or...? |
| 23:10.10 | ArcanePariah | Oh |
| 23:10.44 | ArcanePariah | A1win what do you mean by control setup? |
| 23:10.59 | A1win | customized hotkeys |
| 23:11.17 | ArcanePariah | Umm... use the built in hotkey support and let them make their own hotkey profile? |
| 23:11.26 | A1win | nope |
| 23:11.37 | ArcanePariah | ehh? |
| 23:11.38 | JademusSreg | Pretty much all the elements default to empty values, anyway. |
| 23:11.41 | A1win | I mean I already have the hotkey setup done |
| 23:11.44 | A1win | they are stored as integers |
| 23:11.49 | A1win | just asking about banks |
| 23:11.57 | JademusSreg | But determining the defaults at runtime is not doable. |
| 23:12.23 | A1win | I can't use the built-in hotkey system for key pressed events |
| 23:12.30 | ArcanePariah | A1win in which case, just create a bank section called hotkeys, and store in that section as hotkey 1, hotkey 2, etc. |
| 23:12.58 | A1win | so it's fine to just store stuff without any compression and stuff? |
| 23:13.05 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 23:13.10 | JademusSreg | Up to a point. |
| 23:13.12 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg why not, could one not create a template empty frame, create a dialog at runtime and examine it using the UI editor ingame? |
| 23:13.29 | ArcanePariah | And thus examine its properties? |
| 23:13.46 | JademusSreg | Arc, it'll just return empty values unless the values are defined. =D |
| 23:14.04 | ArcanePariah | Well yeah, I was getting to that, I agree that most values are simply left empty |
| 23:14.10 | ArcanePariah | basically val = "" |
| 23:15.11 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a104/SC2%202013-12-01%2001-13-56-40.jpg |
| 23:17.47 | Zolden | wow, A1win you're making it seriously :) |
| 23:18.39 | A1win | don't know any other way ;p |
| 23:23.29 | JademusSreg | A1 is srs bsns geenius who won't settle for not-failure. |
| 23:24.27 | A1win | and that's just my middle name |
| 23:24.31 | JademusSreg | [22:38:41] <A1win> ignore placememt? [22:39:31] <Ownage> you're a geenius |
| 23:25.02 | Ownage | :) |
| 23:25.16 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:26.39 | A1win | wish the actual game looked as good as the UI, though :[ *pokes Zolden* |
| 23:26.47 | ArcanePariah | lol |
| 23:28.12 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg for the UnitStatusBar, on the colors, are the indexes for the segments of the bar? |
| 23:28.33 | ArcanePariah | Such that you can color the individual segments as done for standard unit status bar? |
| 23:29.05 | A1win | for life bar, they are the green/yellow/orange/red colors |
| 23:29.34 | ArcanePariah | Well, more that they are whatever is definined in GameUI |
| 23:29.41 | A1win | number of segments depends on bar width |
| 23:29.44 | ArcanePariah | You can change them there |
| 23:29.44 | A1win | I think |
| 23:30.01 | ArcanePariah | I don't think so, given what the UI XML says |
| 23:30.41 | A1win | well the number of segments isn't constant |
| 23:30.43 | ArcanePariah | Oh wait, the index refers to the bar, since the bar count is controllable value.... |
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| 23:37.01 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:37.11 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 23:44.23 | Ahli | http://www.twitch.tv/dreamhacksc2 korean going to try to open a champagner bottle... |
| 23:44.36 | A1win | ;x |
| 23:44.39 | Ahli | who cares about the finals when the ceremony is the highlight :D |
| 23:44.41 | A1win | he's had practice though |
| 23:44.58 | Ahli | yeah, I assume he will be able to do it... |
| 23:45.06 | Ahli | but mayyyybe :D |
| 23:45.11 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 23:45.21 | Ahli | the stage, that many people watching him... |
| 23:46.14 | A1win | liquid taeja has opened two champaign bottles in his life so far, about to go for the third... can't say that about many progamers |
| 23:56.21 | Repo | New asset: Jack Frost - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/jack-frost/ |
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