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| 01:27.07 | JademusSreg | observes fixed type accepts 0x format values. |
| 01:28.07 | Kueken | afaik it can do octal as well |
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| 01:35.00 | ArcanePariah | For fixed types, what size are they, and also, what do they translate to in C terms (long, double, long long, double long, etc.)? |
| 01:35.32 | JademusSreg | 32 bit fixed point. |
| 01:36.10 | JademusSreg | Doesn't directly translate to any of them, but closest to long. |
| 01:36.50 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/triggers/types/fixed/ |
| 01:44.34 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so for the Score Values data type, where are the actual values defined? |
| 01:45.05 | ArcanePariah | I'm looking at the built in score value objects and they have a Value field, which lets me select from a list of various values, but where are those values defined? |
| 01:48.49 | JademusSreg | I imagine it's an interface data type, a bridge between the engine handling the game state and softcode. |
| 01:49.22 | JademusSreg | I've not used it much, though. |
| 01:49.59 | ArcanePariah | Also, you can have user data type fields with score values... I wonder if you somehow can use that to customize the score screen? |
| 01:50.18 | JademusSreg | Player API may be applicable, though. |
| 01:50.47 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/rg9tr |
| 01:51.01 | JademusSreg | Scroll down to Player scores |
| 01:51.36 | JademusSreg | Referenced by strings, which suggests data entry id strings. |
| 01:51.38 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:51.40 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 01:52.01 | JademusSreg | Time for some motherfuckin Glee. |
| 01:52.34 | JademusSreg | Feel free to test my speculation; would be good to know, quite useful. =D |
| 02:21.04 | Zandose | by any chance is anyone a expert at finding cheap car insurance and cars? |
| 02:27.45 | Zandose | ill setting for anyone with experience with getting a car and insurance in toronto, canada |
| 02:42.07 | Zandose | ....why oh why do they make it so complex |
| 02:45.36 | Zandose | 1000 pages later im starting to understand it |
| 02:47.15 | Zandose | must get under $270 a month... |
| 02:48.48 | Zandose | $235... |
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| 03:14.20 | Zandose | in excel, how do I take something like "70 74 115 ACURA 1.6EL 4DR 4D 1999 137 293 N" and put all those values into seperate cells? |
| 03:20.30 | nooblark | http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/demo-distribute-the-contents-of-1-cell-across-multiple-cells-HA010247489.aspx |
| 03:20.40 | Zandose | yep |
| 03:20.47 | nooblark | ... |
| 03:20.51 | nooblark | why ask if you know? |
| 03:20.53 | Zandose | already looked it up |
| 03:21.06 | Zandose | i didnt know, i asked, no one answered, i looked for answer |
| 03:21.10 | nooblark | took me less time to google it than it took you to ask :P |
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| 04:55.19 | JademusSreg | Znork. |
| 04:56.54 | Zandose | norf |
| 04:57.21 | JademusSreg | Narf. |
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| 05:16.46 | JademusSreg | I observe it is less than clear why some types don't extend handle. |
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| 05:35.41 | DeadZergling | hi, aiming to make an actor rotate, without using the damn mothership, I know I should be using an SoP actor, but not sure which type to play with |
| 05:36.26 | DeadZergling | guess rotator seems fairly obvious, trying that one |
| 05:36.31 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 05:41.39 | DeadZergling | apparently a rate of 2 is a bit low for my needs, lol |
| 05:45.14 | JademusSreg | Well that's neat. |
| 05:45.38 | JademusSreg | Apparently all the standard types can be used in conditional expressions. |
| 05:49.28 | JademusSreg | The type references aren't so lucky; funcref requires a comparison. For example: if (testicles == Testicle) {} |
| 05:52.01 | JademusSreg | This is interesting, though probably useless: byte[2] fuck; if (fuck == fuck) {} |
| 05:52.05 | JademusSreg | That's valid. |
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| 05:54.39 | Stewox | i can't fucking believe it ISON actually survived http://i.imgur.com/QUpTOAY.png .... they all though it was gone, looked bleak still in C3, but many hours later C3 shows a growing and brightening dust tail, which would indicate the core survived |
| 05:54.41 | JademusSreg | Also valid: byte[2] fuck; byte[2] thisShit; if (fuck == thisShit) {} |
| 05:55.37 | JademusSreg | However, this is not valid: byte[1] fuck; byte[2] thisShit; if (fuck == thisShit) {} |
| 05:55.43 | JademusSreg | Incorrect type comparison. |
| 06:01.13 | DeadZergling | is it possible to apply an SoP actor for just a short while? |
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| 06:11.41 | JademusSreg | Sure. Destroy it when you don't need it. |
| 06:13.24 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmm, guessing I'd need to handle the sops exclusively in events then? |
| 06:14.36 | JademusSreg | Or keep the actor variable, or send a message to its host actor or actorscope, or bind it to a reference. Plenty of ways to do it from data or triggers. |
| 06:15.25 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmmm, well basically what I'd like to do is make a building appear to shake some |
| 06:15.29 | DeadZergling | then go back to normal |
| 06:15.54 | DeadZergling | thinking I could maybe do it with some sop rotates that get destroyed and maybe an sop to reset the building after (or some other method) |
| 06:19.16 | DeadZergling | however as you well know, I fail at actors in a very bad way, lol |
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| 06:22.31 | JademusSreg | Could use state monitors if it corresponds to damage states (the way structures ignite/bleed), otherwise the unit actor (I assume) should have events for the damage, start timer, host the site rotator, timer expires, destroy site rotator. |
| 06:22.43 | JademusSreg | Oh, and don't press T. |
| 06:23.10 | DeadZergling | yea, that enjoys crashing the editor |
| 06:23.15 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 06:23.57 | JademusSreg | It's been a well known bug for a month or two, but It Keeps Hapening. |
| 06:24.17 | JademusSreg | Despite dawgs having been previously warned. |
| 06:24.45 | DeadZergling | is rather annoying, you get fairly used to just starting to type the word to get there faster |
| 06:25.36 | JademusSreg | (Cultural references concerning warning dawgs about things which keep happening: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/ ) |
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| 06:52.40 | DeadZergling | sigh, attachment refuses to follow the model, xml is at http://justpaste.it/dppk |
| 06:52.44 | DeadZergling | what'd I do wrong this time |
| 06:53.24 | JademusSreg | This is unrelated to the rotator thing, right? |
| 06:53.40 | DeadZergling | right, no rotations happening here |
| 06:56.10 | JademusSreg | Alright. Instead of the weird approach to attachments you take there, use the AttachModelOffset message, and do it from the unit actor. |
| 06:57.16 | JademusSreg | None of this silly separate site op local offset business. The AttachModelOffset message has fields for doing it without need of an intermediary site op or model actor. |
| 06:57.30 | JademusSreg | (Though it does provide options for them if necessary.) |
| 06:58.14 | JademusSreg | Surely you remember the demo with the infested command center thing? |
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| 07:22.43 | DeadZergling | so get rid of stuff making it auto attach on the attachment, do it in the actor who is getting the attach instead? |
| 07:23.15 | DeadZergling | sorry, had to afk a half hour there |
| 07:23.56 | JademusSreg | Need to see an example of how to use AttachModelOffset? |
| 07:24.09 | DeadZergling | see if I can remember from last time first |
| 07:26.24 | DeadZergling | have this for xml, <On Terms="ActorCreation" Send="AttachModelOffset JackStash PotionWhite {} 0.000000,0.000000,0.000000 {} {SOpAttachWeapon JackStashPositioning}"/> |
| 07:27.37 | JademusSreg | Any errors? |
| 07:28.07 | DeadZergling | The message requires methods in order to attach |
| 07:29.31 | DeadZergling | Trying this now instead: <On Terms="ActorCreation" Send="AttachModelOffset JackStash PotionWhite {Weapon 0} 0.000000,0.000000,0.000000 {} JackStashPositioning"/> |
| 07:29.49 | JademusSreg | Looks better. =D |
| 07:30.27 | JademusSreg | Here's an excerpt from the infested command center shit: <On Terms="ActorCreation" Send="AttachModelOffset AttachModelZerg StukovInfestedCommandCenterAttach01 {Center 0} 0.000000,0.000000,0.125000"/> |
| 07:31.04 | DeadZergling | so is attaching, but is not following the model |
| 07:31.22 | DeadZergling | like I can move the model and it goes where it goes, but when the model moves, it isn't moving with it |
| 07:31.38 | DeadZergling | if that makes any sense... |
| 07:32.45 | JademusSreg | Try clearing the actor field, haha. It's an optional parameter. |
| 07:33.17 | DeadZergling | not sure I can get away with that, since this model needs to use a texture select by ID to work |
| 07:34.20 | JademusSreg | Using your actor could be causing trouble, or rather shit in the actor, since I assume you didn't change anything about the actor and instead just added the event to the unit actor as instructed (I very much hope). |
| 07:35.50 | DeadZergling | yea, I got rid of the 'weird' stuff |
| 07:36.16 | DeadZergling | so now it is following, but only during the walk animation, not during stand, and is super-sized and green instead of white again |
| 07:37.27 | JademusSreg | Paste the model actor and the unit actor. |
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| 07:38.54 | DeadZergling | http://justpaste.it/dppz |
| 07:39.44 | JademusSreg | <On Terms="Confirmation.SCV.Start" Send="StatusSet CloakSound 0"/> |
| 07:39.53 | JademusSreg | How do you get this weird junk? |
| 07:40.09 | DeadZergling | think it is default with the SCV unit |
| 07:40.58 | JademusSreg | Also, don't use your own positioning site op, since the message has local offset fields right there. Like where it says local offsets. |
| 07:41.13 | DeadZergling | it shouldn't hurt it either though right? |
| 07:42.16 | JademusSreg | The mind boggles. |
| 07:42.53 | JademusSreg | Why do with 2 parts what can be done with 1? Haha |
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| 07:45.56 | DeadZergling3 | changed it back to look at actor, color/size are better again, but still only moves with the unit at all during walking, not just standing |
| 07:46.09 | DeadZergling3 | i seem to have gone LD about 23:44 |
| 07:46.39 | JademusSreg | Did you check the SCV asset's attachment point? |
| 07:47.58 | DeadZergling3 | yea, it has a weapon |
| 07:48.16 | JademusSreg | Might be surprised to find the attachment point doesn't follow the model geometry as you would expect. |
| 07:48.17 | DeadZergling3 | know for sure it has a hardpoint, center, and weapon |
| 07:48.30 | JademusSreg | Enable Attachment Point rendering. |
| 07:49.14 | DeadZergling3 | right, is how I picked that one, knew that one would be moving a lot |
| 07:49.51 | DeadZergling3 | hrrrrmmm |
| 07:50.16 | DeadZergling3 | some of the points don't really seem to move with the model |
| 07:50.24 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 07:50.35 | DeadZergling3 | sneaky little fuckers |
| 07:51.00 | DeadZergling3 | trying hardpoint now instead |
| 07:51.03 | DeadZergling3 | that one moves with it |
| 07:53.03 | DeadZergling3 | yea, definitely moving with it now.... |
| 07:54.53 | DeadZergling3 | well I can screw with making it look all positioned perfect later, you available for more help JademusSreg ? :) |
| 07:55.07 | JademusSreg | Possibly. |
| 07:56.35 | DeadZergling3 | well it involves the wobbling of buildings, I'm not too worried about the triggering of it, however I'm not sure how to use a temporary sop, destroy it |
| 07:56.46 | DeadZergling3 | not too sure how to go about resetting a model to its original positioning either |
| 07:58.26 | JademusSreg | Probably don't need to, just use HostSetSiteOperation or whatever message within the unit actor to apply the site op. Pretty sure Kueken has ademo or tutorial or something. |
| 08:03.16 | DeadZergling3 | well found a HostSiteOpsSet |
| 08:03.27 | DeadZergling3 | not seeing how to kill it though, or make it only go for so long |
| 08:03.48 | DeadZergling3 | maybe Host Set Offset instead? |
| 08:03.59 | JademusSreg | Actors can make their own timers, soooo |
| 08:05.25 | DeadZergling3 | wondering if you have tutorials/demos as Jade suspects, lol |
| 08:05.47 | Kueken | someone summoned me? |
| 08:06.18 | DeadZergling3 | yea, I want to shake a building using rotations |
| 08:06.27 | DeadZergling3 | then reset it to original |
| 08:08.00 | Kueken | with a rotator site operation? |
| 08:08.23 | DeadZergling3 | it seemed like the best choice, but me and actors don't get along so good, so |
| 08:08.31 | DeadZergling3 | I gotta ping you sometimes, lol |
| 08:08.58 | Kueken | so what exactly do you mean by "shake"? |
| 08:09.10 | Kueken | turn left and right a little? |
| 08:09.23 | DeadZergling3 | like you might expect a building to look in an earthquake |
| 08:09.32 | DeadZergling3 | or some big guy shaking a little phone booth |
| 08:09.51 | DeadZergling3 | not like serious shaking, but definite shaking? |
| 08:10.03 | Kueken | so more like up and down |
| 08:10.38 | Kueken | okay, let me rephrase that... |
| 08:10.40 | DeadZergling3 | well, possibly, left and right would be easier to visually see I imagine |
| 08:11.00 | Kueken | more like a movement in some direction, not a rotation in itself |
| 08:11.24 | DeadZergling3 | i want it to shake, but not actually go anywhere overall |
| 08:11.28 | Kueken | moves a little forward a little backwards, a little left a little right |
| 08:11.36 | DeadZergling3 | right, then go back to normal |
| 08:11.41 | DeadZergling3 | to signify an event happening |
| 08:11.46 | DeadZergling3 | for the player |
| 08:13.17 | DeadZergling3 | it will mostly be monkeying around with it until it looks right to me I imagine, but I'm not sure how to get started on making it do that |
| 08:13.23 | Kueken | well, for moving attachments, there are a couple of options, not sure what would be the most practical here |
| 08:14.30 | Kueken | for rotation, I would just use a rotator site operation and use a HostSetSiteOp message to apply and remove it after a timer |
| 08:15.07 | DeadZergling3 | I'm not sure if it would need to be attachment specific, for reference let's say I want to shake up a supply depot |
| 08:15.15 | DeadZergling3 | no infestation or anything like that to worry about |
| 08:16.16 | Kueken | for movement... well, currently for me the best working method is using 2 invisible models pointed north and east respectively, then attach the model in question to their overheads or something, then chainge the scale of the helper models |
| 08:16.38 | Kueken | maybe you could also just change the scale a bit in short intervals |
| 08:16.56 | Kueken | it it is some sort of a highlight feature |
| 08:17.00 | Kueken | *if |
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| 08:18.06 | Kueken | but I would probably do the same, tinker with it until it looks the way I want. |
| 08:20.39 | DeadZergling3 | could I get a quick example? Just one creating an offset, killing it, then resetting the actor? |
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| 08:20.47 | DeadZergling3 | I think I could manage from there |
| 08:29.51 | Kueken | cannot do that now, and I might be away for most of the weekend, so not sure if I can make it before monday |
| 08:30.11 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/h75q4 |
| 08:33.51 | DeadZergling3 | no prob, I'll try to figure it out |
| 08:34.13 | DeadZergling3 | I'm just ridiculously bad at figuring out what actions to use :) |
| 08:39.15 | Stewox | so you guys happy that ISON made it ? |
| 08:39.30 | Stewox | i hope it will be real bright and seen most of the december |
| 08:39.35 | Stewox | naked eye |
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| 08:45.54 | DeadZergling3 | I hope I'm in a solid steel room when it happens |
| 08:46.12 | DeadZergling3 | so I don't get vaporized or turned into an evil vapor zombie at the mall |
| 08:47.44 | DeadZergling3 | guessing I'm doing this wrong: http://justpaste.it/dpqj |
| 08:47.50 | DeadZergling3 | isn't moving the building at all |
| 08:52.46 | JademusSreg | sleeps. |
| 08:57.27 | G0A | yay my new avatar http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/avatars/5/342/mapster.gif its expresses all my feelings |
| 08:58.29 | DeadZergling3 | reminds me of the pig monsters in Ghosts N' Ghouls |
| 09:00.59 | DeadZergling3 | what am I looking at anyways G0A, some kind of really sick bulbosaur frog? |
| 09:03.37 | G0A | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlUR09yRHZU yes its sick |
| 09:10.54 | DeadZergling3 | sick little video indeed, still not sure what that thing was though, lol |
| 09:13.14 | G0A | I dont think it had any meaning |
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| 09:56.01 | kingTD | buddyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 10:05.16 | DeadZergling3 | heh, been enjoying Zolden's new balanced game kingTD? |
| 10:06.00 | kingTD | played today once dont see real balance changes. still not expanding and upgrading most of the time or sending shit works fine |
| 10:06.30 | kingTD | getting angels anubis = enemy leaks |
| 10:06.45 | DeadZergling3 | he seems to have a real thing against ranged lately, it becomes worse to play every update, lol |
| 10:06.50 | G0A | expanding and taking enemies gold mines = win |
| 10:07.18 | G0A | I find melee well balanced and playable now |
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| 10:07.38 | G0A | why are we talking about his map without him? |
| 10:07.45 | DeadZergling3 | why not? |
| 10:07.49 | kingTD | well upgrading gold mines are shit. since it cost first upgrade 6 gold and that 6 gold will pay of after 6 turns... upgrading 11 is just ridiculous |
| 10:08.27 | kingTD | even building mines when having quite a lot wont really pay off soon |
| 10:08.39 | kingTD | 2- 5 turns |
| 10:08.52 | DeadZergling3 | yea, attempting to econ is fairly pointless now |
| 10:08.56 | kingTD | + the amount of construction yards you placed to make the gold mine happen |
| 10:09.13 | kingTD | so it makes even more pointless |
| 10:09.31 | kingTD | now u expand just for resources to get new tiers of units |
| 10:10.04 | kingTD | and spending gold just enough for them to be researched and made some time in the feature |
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| 10:10.53 | G0A | I see we will have interesting games this map night:) |
| 10:11.00 | kingTD | basicly its building towers and having luck on spawning resources u needed to research new units |
| 10:11.29 | kingTD | G0A examples... plz |
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| 10:12.40 | kingTD | im maybe will be able to make working concept of Settlers with bunch of res and shit |
| 10:12.42 | Serashin | i said this shit 4 days ago |
| 10:12.45 | Serashin | but he doesnt listen |
| 10:12.59 | kingTD | hey |
| 10:13.19 | kingTD | now we will come all to him and monkey jump him to death with these! |
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| 10:19.08 | G0A | kingTD Settlers 2 (all other Settlers sucked) |
| 10:19.10 | G0A | ? |
| 10:19.25 | G0A | here is Zolden, flame him! |
| 10:20.27 | kingTD | G0A Knights and Merchants more like (no roads only) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9c7fVbVr4E |
| 10:20.41 | kingTD | Zolden you map is broken :( |
| 10:20.51 | kingTD | "basicly its building towers and having luck on spawning resources u needed to research new units " |
| 10:20.58 | kingTD | "well upgrading gold mines are shit. since it cost first upgrade 6 gold and that 6 gold will pay of after 6 turns... upgrading 11 is just ridiculous" |
| 10:21.17 | G0A | no roads:(((((((((((( |
| 10:21.18 | Serashin | Zolden Zolden Zolden |
| 10:21.27 | kingTD | " + the amount of construction yards you placed to make the gold mine happen" |
| 10:21.36 | kingTD | "now u expand just for resources to get new tiers of units" |
| 10:21.40 | Serashin | I dont like that ur socks have space in your shoes |
| 10:21.45 | kingTD | " and spending gold just enough for them to be researched and made some time in the feature" |
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| 10:22.11 | kingTD | roads are for pussies |
| 10:22.15 | kingTD | or pussys |
| 10:22.21 | kingTD | or zoldens |
| 10:23.02 | kingTD | G0A plus maybe no enterances |
| 10:24.39 | Zolden | kingTD if you up those 20%, gold mines do pay for itself |
| 10:25.35 | kingTD | yeah the amount of resources you spend on the other mines to get this one working better is just not worth it much |
| 10:25.36 | Zolden | in soviet russia pussies for roads |
| 10:25.40 | Serashin | who cares about goldmines , ik they atm only cool income but cmon they should have equal value to others |
| 10:25.55 | Serashin | make them sends for reasonable fuckers . maybe ppl keep play it then |
| 10:26.22 | kingTD | give proper income or proper fucks up for enemies |
| 10:27.07 | Serashin | canned sauce works too |
| 10:31.02 | Zolden | i'll make sends give you gold for killing creeps |
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| 10:31.37 | Serashin | you mean for killing towers |
| 10:31.40 | Serashin | still not good |
| 10:31.58 | Serashin | ppl build few tanks towers . if anyone uses lower tier units . or makes it so he holds close waves |
| 10:32.04 | Serashin | enemy has chance to gain income |
| 10:32.09 | Serashin | based on last hit of weak send |
| 10:32.12 | Serashin | = bad / bda |
| 10:32.14 | Serashin | bad* |
| 10:32.42 | Zolden | at least worth a test |
| 10:32.46 | Serashin | 12 = 5 , 6 = 2.5 , 3 = 1.2 |
| 10:32.48 | Serashin | no |
| 10:32.53 | Serashin | i play shit all day every day |
| 10:33.02 | Serashin | no reason to give shit advice when i wanna play |
| 10:33.08 | Zolden | :) |
| 10:37.14 | EntityEnigma | if you see a * in your actor events that stands for 'any' right? |
| 10:39.03 | kingTD | yeah |
| 10:39.25 | EntityEnigma | hmm |
| 10:40.58 | EntityEnigma | seems like most of the sorce values have been set to any when i coppied the actor somehow |
| 10:41.06 | EntityEnigma | source* |
| 10:45.00 | DeadZergling3 | Hi Zolden, your hatred for the send system and ranged class build shines through more every update |
| 10:50.48 | Serashin | lol let me guess he made now crack elves cost 40 |
| 10:50.50 | Serashin | )))) |
| 10:50.53 | kingTD | better be sam fisher |
| 10:51.03 | kingTD | 20 or 19 |
| 10:51.15 | Serashin | facepalm |
| 10:51.38 | DeadZergling3 | ranged weren't all powerful in the first place |
| 10:51.47 | Serashin | well |
| 10:51.49 | DeadZergling3 | as was made painfully evident every crystallic wave |
| 10:52.10 | DeadZergling3 | had to use econ and get a little lucky to have better ranged and tanks in time |
| 10:52.16 | DeadZergling3 | would often leak some while doing it too |
| 10:52.23 | kingTD | banshees not upped with armor reduction are OP |
| 10:52.25 | Serashin | who cares his map will fail down like rise of nations when ppl play enough |
| 10:52.49 | DeadZergling3 | already fallen off my list with the last few updates |
| 10:52.54 | DeadZergling3 | no longer fun |
| 10:54.57 | kingTD | how to get from data behavior name and not id with triggers text message? |
| 10:55.28 | DeadZergling3 | pretty sure triggers can only see the ID name |
| 10:55.45 | Zolden | DeadZergling3 hey |
| 10:55.52 | DeadZergling3 | hi Z |
| 10:56.59 | Zolden | so, what would you change about ranged? |
| 10:57.18 | Zolden | i've upped snakes |
| 10:57.28 | Zolden | better damage now |
| 10:57.47 | DeadZergling3 | I never used them, ever |
| 10:57.49 | Zolden | b4 it was that ppl more build cracks |
| 10:58.13 | DeadZergling3 | they are 'okay' on earlier waves, but a waste of time for much more |
| 10:58.45 | DeadZergling3 | well their costs seems to continue increasing, while their stats continue decreasing |
| 10:59.11 | DeadZergling3 | and going econ is no longer an option |
| 10:59.26 | kingTD | problem seems to be with the crackers the amount of probability of dodge |
| 10:59.55 | DeadZergling3 | the crackers are meant to be temporary, as are the snakes, they are beyond worthless later |
| 10:59.57 | Serashin | i told him that 5 days ago |
| 11:00.06 | Serashin | exactly rofl |
| 11:00.53 | Zolden | so, waht to change about ranged? |
| 11:01.36 | kingTD | as we see zolden is hopeless! |
| 11:01.39 | DeadZergling3 | back to how they were would be nice, as I find out I can get less econ and pay more for the same units every time I try to play |
| 11:01.52 | DeadZergling3 | they weren't OP in the first place, without tanks they were crap |
| 11:02.57 | DeadZergling3 | but that is just a bit of the problem, the root is going econ has now become a waste of time. |
| 11:03.25 | Zolden | ok |
| 11:03.28 | Serashin | im the unofficial best gaming tester there is , because i got no pressure with writing daily protocols or anything . all i have is passion for gaming . just do the shit i say and see how it turn sout . guess what i cant do this model stuff u can . why because i didnt train it ? do i play everyday fk yes |
| 11:03.31 | Zolden | i'll up income from sends |
| 11:04.52 | kingTD | how about their effectiveness to be threat to the players they will be sent to? |
| 11:04.56 | Zolden | not like 1.2 for 3 |
| 11:04.57 | kingTD | as now then gold will rise |
| 11:05.17 | kingTD | and they will build towers easily |
| 11:05.22 | Zolden | kingTD yea, i['ll make them a bit stronger again, as i did yesterday, but wasn't enough |
| 11:06.33 | kingTD | Serashin not with your hate anything will change to good.. |
| 11:07.01 | Serashin | its just the way i talk . im not often talking punctuiation serius stuff |
| 11:07.11 | Serashin | important is the point im delivering to be valueable |
| 11:07.34 | Serashin | and no i obsiviously dont know about influence , time preferences allys etc cause im a dumb fuck |
| 11:07.37 | kingTD | its kinda depressing how developing map u dont know how to improve it way it should and then u come here and everyone spreading hate here |
| 11:07.37 | Serashin | ))) |
| 11:07.50 | Serashin | when did i spread hate |
| 11:08.09 | kingTD | like every message u write!!! |
| 11:08.25 | Serashin | i gave him suggestions the few days and bug reports . he just changed numbers without asking anyone . while knowing im the td gosu AaäaAäaaÄaaä and it turns out shit aka unplayable |
| 11:08.37 | Serashin | ofc i bring the point more clear , that is |
| 11:08.43 | Serashin | aslong i have hope i get through |
| 11:08.48 | Serashin | at some point i just walk away |
| 11:09.46 | Serashin | i dont need to make every step of every angle perfect here . all what matters are my points |
| 11:10.06 | kingTD | sure everyone walks away when they are not listen to or dont have support |
| 11:10.13 | kingTD | in their opinion |
| 11:10.38 | Zolden | if we compare to bnet reviews, this place look brightest and nices place in the world |
| 11:10.57 | kingTD | but since here spaming something not really makes any audiance that would agree or disagree all the things you write instantly |
| 11:11.15 | kingTD | u write shit here and it disappears. |
| 11:11.25 | Serashin | ? |
| 11:11.27 | Serashin | u read it |
| 11:11.29 | Serashin | thats enough |
| 11:11.32 | kingTD | its not like reviews u will come there and see the hate every time |
| 11:11.41 | Serashin | ROFL |
| 11:11.54 | kingTD | hey did I ready something that u wrote 4 -5 days ago? no |
| 11:12.04 | Serashin | dont come me with explanation for any kind of area related to gaming please . as if you could teach me the tiniest bit |
| 11:12.19 | Zolden | lol |
| 11:12.34 | Serashin | i know when effort is worth it . and i dont approach everything |
| 11:12.44 | Serashin | with 100 % effort . cause theres often stubborn people |
| 11:12.49 | Serashin | get some experience before you talk |
| 11:12.51 | Serashin | shitface |
| 11:12.52 | Zolden | if mapmakers associate with games, it will be the most powerful alliance in the world |
| 11:12.52 | Serashin | kkk thx |
| 11:13.05 | Zolden | *with gamers |
| 11:14.06 | Serashin | atleast u got the naming right Zolden |
| 11:14.12 | Serashin | gamer = / = player |
| 11:14.31 | Zolden | what aout gameplayers? |
| 11:15.27 | Serashin | i talk about sticks without points to stratch on |
| 11:17.38 | DeadZergling3 | well his bad attitude and high amount of one line texts certainly says gamer, lol |
| 11:21.14 | kingTD | cod player |
| 11:21.43 | DeadZergling3 | bleh, that game should not be associated with gamer |
| 11:21.49 | Serashin | Lets put it like this influence has many ways , any many requirements . My approach has a certain effect too . And many influences are biased by own strenghening wins , or by lies . Guess what im a honest fucker . And yes ppl have less acceptable types of shit . Doesnt change the fact that my value should already be a givven since im AaäaAäaaÄaaä |
| 11:21.56 | DeadZergling3 | it follows the same trend as sports games :P |
| 11:22.22 | DeadZergling3 | think I'd rather have farmville associated with gamer |
| 11:22.25 | DeadZergling3 | than cod |
| 11:22.48 | Serashin | wishthinking = / = reality sir |
| 11:23.16 | DeadZergling3 | could you at least use != |
| 11:23.25 | DeadZergling3 | that syntax != good |
| 11:24.01 | Serashin | omg pitchfork me i cant all languages in world |
| 11:24.10 | Serashin | clap |
| 11:24.52 | G0A | I used to be cod gamer when cod was actually good (cod 1 and 2), I were in the top 3-7 "clan" in the country...famrviller has nothign to do with gamer or gaming |
| 11:25.14 | DeadZergling3 | and thus you know how little I think of CoD, G0A :) |
| 11:25.42 | G0A | since call of duty uo all new version of call of duty just got worse |
| 11:25.43 | Zolden | so, if i have for a behavior max stack = 4, and max stack per caster = 1, it will worlk like a caster can only apply 1 stack, and 4 casters together will be able to apply 4 stacks? |
| 11:26.30 | Serashin | Goa knows atleast how to put things into sections reasonable |
| 11:26.31 | ArcanePariah | Zolden correct |
| 11:26.36 | Zolden | ty |
| 11:26.51 | Serashin | Still has patch as 1.5 made me rate his map 4 stars cause he added this shit lines displayed |
| 11:27.26 | G0A | you can disable those lines |
| 11:27.29 | Serashin | orly |
| 11:27.36 | G0A | I made an option menu in ranks |
| 11:27.41 | Serashin | my point always has ofc been = certain rating = disable for all |
| 11:27.43 | G0A | you can disable it there |
| 11:27.46 | Zolden | ok, cat fell asleep, no more stepping at delete button and removing an entry |
| 11:27.47 | Serashin | no need your cripple stick |
| 11:28.03 | G0A | those lines usefull for newbies |
| 11:28.09 | Serashin | :O |
| 11:28.11 | G0A | anyway brb for hours |
| 11:28.17 | Serashin | you better do cause |
| 11:28.22 | Serashin | your reading comprehention sucks |
| 12:00.47 | DeadZergling3 | going to sleep anywho, happy mapping all :) |
| 12:00.52 | DeadZergling3 | or in Serashin's case, happy raging |
| 12:02.36 | Serashin | way to missread |
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| 12:14.41 | Delphinium | Turkey!! |
| 12:15.55 | Delphinium | Gobble, gobble, gobble |
| 12:18.38 | Zolden | hmm someone casted a blizzard |
| 12:26.45 | Delphinium | Zolden brings us trkeys, trkeys |
| 12:29.00 | Zolden | shouts loudly, so all fat turkeys rocketing in the sky and flying to China |
| 12:29.22 | Zolden | hope they will eat good while flying and won't lose weight |
| 12:30.31 | Delphinium | "Turkey blizzard" |
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| 13:19.25 | Stewox | hello |
| 13:19.39 | Stewox | are you guys Thanksgiving ? |
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| 13:20.36 | Zolden | kingTD could we test creep kills reward in 10 minutes? |
| 13:20.44 | kingTD | k |
| 13:21.15 | Stewox | so anyone from US here ? |
| 13:23.18 | Zolden | kingTD ok, uploaded, come to eu |
| 13:36.47 | Zolden | kingTD go again |
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| 14:29.10 | G0A | yay black firday is coming! http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-29/mobs-stampedes-fights-brawls-stabbing-and-shooting-video-compilation-black-thursday- |
| 14:29.30 | kingTD | when blacks ar waitting for you near the next corner |
| 14:29.31 | kingTD | day |
| 14:33.00 | duckies | so, black friday is pretty much an ancient gladiator arena fight, where americans fight for spoils and rest of the world watches the voilence unfold for their amusement? |
| 14:34.23 | duckies | btw, g0a, stop procastinating and go fix your arena map, it still has bugs! |
| 14:35.30 | kingTD | add some boobs for our amusement |
| 14:36.36 | G0A | duckies what bugs? And yeah I will make survival mode playable for mapnight |
| 14:37.36 | duckies | you always have bugs, even if they're actually faulty game design decisions, I still urge you to fix them all |
| 14:37.57 | duckies | like that OPshield, go fix it all! |
| 14:38.16 | Zolden | was shield op in our last game? |
| 14:38.19 | Zolden | it wasn't! |
| 14:38.30 | G0A | duckies you just suck:) |
| 14:38.39 | Zolden | it was like -15% damage |
| 14:39.19 | duckies | how about that zealot which could not get killed and just ran around regenerating stuff, is that your intended way to play arena battles? :D |
| 14:40.03 | G0A | I will add slow and stun like abilities one day. |
| 14:40.17 | G0A | and I might make arena smaller |
| 14:40.26 | G0A | actually I make arena smaller right now:D |
| 14:40.33 | duckies | that's a lazy solution, makes me want to hate the arena designer in you q.q |
| 14:40.43 | Zolden | G0A make somethin that would make damage dealers be able to fught alone |
| 14:40.54 | Zolden | some blink or shield or invisibility |
| 14:40.58 | G0A | yeah make damage dealers imba... |
| 14:41.19 | duckies | control impairing abilities without a way to escape them suck |
| 14:41.23 | Zolden | actually, all need blink |
| 14:41.24 | G0A | yeah blink will be added one day |
| 14:42.02 | duckies | add kame-ha-me-ha! |
| 14:42.23 | duckies | since your abilities have a severe lack of beams |
| 14:43.15 | duckies | even zoldens cat agrees that beams are the future, why you don't share his cats opinion goa, you disrespecting him? >:/ |
| 14:44.23 | Zolden | cat licking its paw |
| 14:44.59 | duckies | a sign of agreement ^^ |
| 14:47.59 | A1win | hmm I have an idea... what if my ships looked like tiny artificial planets with cities and stuff on them, and when they take damage there's some kind of particle effect to make it look like they're launching lots of escape pods, make population an achievement kinda thing, like slowly gain more population as you play, maybe some +/- when killing others/dying... could call the map worldship warfare or such |
| 14:48.51 | A1win | while dead it counts the population from 0 back to what it was as "retrieving escape pods" or whatever |
| 14:49.47 | duckies | jeesus. you're thinking too much about it a1win |
| 14:49.55 | A1win | haha |
| 14:50.05 | duckies | make your ships look like cats, gonna ba instant success |
| 14:50.17 | duckies | cats in space fiering lazers at each other |
| 14:50.23 | duckies | think of the awe |
| 14:50.55 | A1win | so you're saying if I stop thinking about it, I suddenly have a name for it? |
| 14:51.14 | duckies | and you're gonna have an instatnt catchy name too - spaceCats or PewMeow |
| 14:51.31 | duckies | an intriguing attention catching name, what you needed |
| 14:51.39 | duckies | there all problems solved! |
| 14:51.47 | A1win | that's worse than what I just suggested >.< |
| 14:52.03 | G0A | pandas>cats>>>>>>>floating cities |
| 14:53.07 | duckies | yeah, you've got a point there goa, but it's nothing that can't be solved, just add an additional panda model and call it "Pandas Vs Cats" |
| 14:53.41 | A1win | everyone's like "dude, it's easy to come up with a name" and yet no one comes up with a name ;p |
| 14:53.52 | A1win | it's not easy, it's hard :x |
| 14:55.26 | A1win | the map is so generic that I feel it needs some kind of a theme to support its name |
| 14:56.08 | A1win | I'm not thinking too much about it, just haven't thought about it the right way |
| 14:56.50 | G0A | A1win some inspiration for you: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2026326625/starwhal-just-the-tip |
| 14:56.55 | duckies | you've been thinking about it in this irc for longer than a week, I can't help to feel that you might need a pet as well |
| 14:57.35 | A1win | eh? ;p |
| 14:57.49 | duckies | then you'd be all like "hell yeah, cats are nice, I'm gonna make a map about cats pew-pewing, in space!" |
| 15:00.38 | G0A | you could name is Starkitties! |
| 15:02.16 | G0A | 2 hours and map night |
| 15:03.33 | A1win | calling it anything cat related would make people expect something cat related in the game, which it doesn't have |
| 15:04.02 | A1win | why don't I call it fantasy warrior battle, that makes just as much sense ;p |
| 15:04.15 | G0A | not a bad idea |
| 15:04.39 | G0A | just call it the first name that the random game name generator gives |
| 15:05.11 | A1win | Communist Banana Academy |
| 15:05.52 | G0A | :) |
| 15:47.51 | kingTD | https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=IeXzm0qKYUA |
| 15:56.10 | Ahli | lol what? |
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| 16:28.59 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a102/SC2%202013-11-29%2018-28-04-49.jpg |
| 16:29.37 | Serashin | this looks shit |
| 16:30.58 | Serashin | did u fix that french keyboard thingy ? :P |
| 16:31.29 | A1win | don't you think this will solve it? |
| 16:31.59 | A1win | you'll be able to change your controls to pretty much any key |
| 16:32.22 | A1win | will add some preset dropdown to set up dvorak's and french layouts and stuff |
| 16:33.14 | A1win | also, saying "this looks shit" isn't very useful if you don't explain why it looks shit :x |
| 16:47.32 | Dustin | I think it looks good A1win |
| 16:53.11 | kingTD | Map night 8 mins noone are there to do shit! |
| 16:54.22 | G0A | coming in minutes |
| 16:54.23 | Dustin | ohh mpanight |
| 16:54.49 | Dustin | noone every wants to play Hybrid Assault on map night :( |
| 16:56.07 | duckies | dustin, presist more, I'd actually play it last night, but that spammer guy disturbed the thoughtflow ;/ |
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| 16:57.46 | kingTD | yeah Dustin we will play your map if the wont be too much people for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:57.57 | kingTD | i hope to be sure |
| 16:59.43 | duckies | I'll be 10 min late btw |
| 16:59.47 | duckies | :/ |
| 16:59.49 | Serashin | lol |
| 16:59.54 | Serashin | i didnt even read that screenshot |
| 16:59.57 | Serashin | was just trolling |
| 17:01.11 | Ahli | just come online now and we won't be enough :D |
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| 17:02.30 | mille25 | hi |
| 17:03.00 | G0A | Serashin any good in dreamhack? |
| 17:03.20 | Serashin | ? i didnt play tournaments since march 2011 |
| 17:03.21 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a102/SC2%202013-11-29%2019-02-08-39.jpg |
| 17:03.41 | Serashin | so we do testrun |
| 17:03.46 | Serashin | alwin ? |
| 17:03.53 | A1win | nah, it's not ready |
| 17:04.15 | A1win | only setting up the layout, no functionality yet |
| 17:05.01 | mille25 | looking good A1win |
| 17:05.33 | G0A | SerashinI just wondering if there are interesting match of or stuff. I rarely watch any stream |
| 17:06.04 | G0A | this proxy hatch is nice though |
| 17:06.10 | Serashin | interest is relative i guess . i dont really watch it unless i eat . no real match stood out so far |
| 17:06.23 | Serashin | was watching naniwa and life battle |
| 17:06.26 | Serashin | even that lackluster |
| 17:06.31 | Serashin | but pure from listenning |
| 17:06.36 | Serashin | avg games |
| 17:07.16 | Ahli | leenock expanding into terran's natural |
| 17:07.31 | Serashin | doesnt make the games quality ;( |
| 17:08.02 | Serashin | he will just lose |
| 17:08.09 | Serashin | any natural strat vs t is bad |
| 17:08.19 | Serashin | unless its the early one to delay cc positioning |
| 17:10.21 | G0A | so kingTD where are you??? |
| 17:10.35 | kingTD | crashing games with editor |
| 17:11.00 | kingTD | will make basic functional map and will come |
| 17:19.32 | A1win | hmmh aren't key names defined somewhere in game text? can't seem to find them |
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| 17:20.39 | A1win | oh they are, just not character keys for some reason |
| 17:21.08 | A1win | Key/Keyname text entries |
| 17:22.32 | A1win | uh, not for everything else either |
| 17:25.02 | A1win | doh of course, they don't need to be localized ;p |
| 17:25.10 | A1win | since they are just displayed as-is |
| 17:29.52 | G0A | omg I have 2.5gb bnet cache |
| 17:31.28 | Ahli | only 1.1gb :D |
| 17:32.46 | G0A | finally I will have place on my winfuck drive |
| 17:34.00 | kingTD | not for long |
| 17:35.24 | G0A | yeah its already back at 100mb |
| 17:40.53 | kingTD | u will play few more maps at map nights and you back to 1 gb for sure |
| 17:42.47 | kingTD | EU map night waitting for you to join Sc2mapster |
| 17:43.25 | duckies | hey dustin |
| 17:43.30 | duckies | nows your star chance! |
| 17:43.31 | Stewox | MAP NIGHT ?!?!?! |
| 17:43.33 | Stewox | horaay |
| 17:43.38 | Stewox | look guys |
| 17:43.56 | Ahli | starcraft://group/2/130284 |
| 17:44.07 | Stewox | zombie outbreak in wallmarts top links www.drudgereport.com |
| 17:44.29 | Stewox | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGcdZlCZPAk |
| 17:44.40 | Ahli | just 'mericans and their turkey slaughter fest |
| 17:44.46 | Stewox | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_adgG8Ba2Q |
| 17:45.18 | Stewox | funny vid here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiFJ2b-ZkuI |
| 17:46.55 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a102/SC2%202013-11-29%2019-46-26-37.jpg |
| 17:46.57 | A1win | getting there ;p |
| 17:47.39 | A1win | think I need a button to clear a key too since I have alternative keys, don't always want to have two keys assigned |
| 17:51.48 | kingTD | any Great The Map Maker will come to map night!?!??! |
| 17:52.36 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zolden (Zolden@88.135.4.202) |
| 17:52.50 | Zolden | how to forbid ordering units by rightclicking minimap? |
| 17:54.12 | kingTD | does your units have uncontrolable buffs and shits? |
| 17:56.44 | Zolden | they need to be controllable, to upgrade them |
| 17:56.57 | Zolden | that "move towers" bug was because minimap rightclick was allowed |
| 17:56.59 | Zolden | now ixed |
| 17:58.28 | kingTD | Dustin why when chaning weapon it resets all the upgrades done to previous weapon ? :( |
| 18:17.43 | Bommes | A1win, is that an already existing library you are using for the key inputs or did you make that yourself? |
| 18:17.46 | Bommes | looks really good |
| 18:18.04 | A1win | made it today |
| 18:18.31 | A1win | it doesn't work yet, though |
| 18:18.42 | Bommes | ah kay |
| 18:18.49 | Bommes | what does the refresh button do? |
| 18:18.53 | Bommes | when it works |
| 18:19.02 | A1win | swaps mouse buttons |
| 18:19.12 | Bommes | ah it |
| 18:19.14 | Bommes | makes sense |
| 18:20.52 | A1win | already have function to set a key, just needs interaction logic |
| 18:21.54 | A1win | and clear buttons |
| 18:32.20 | kingTD | 7 map nighters |
| 18:40.54 | Dustin | map night till going on? |
| 18:41.11 | Dustin | KingTD, yes each weapon has it's own unique upgrades |
| 18:41.20 | Dustin | You generally dont want to switch mid game |
| 18:41.32 | kingTD | its not NA map night where after one hour everyhing ends |
| 18:41.33 | Dustin | As it's a race to kill the boss, you'd just be back peddeling |
| 18:54.23 | Dustin | kingTD, what are you guys playing |
| 18:54.46 | kingTD | carmagedon |
| 18:55.09 | Dustin | nice me and bratzo are in the chat when you guys are done |
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| 19:06.56 | mille25 | i just had to implement quicksort just to sort a list of about 500 entries alphabetically... galaxy is very slow =/ |
| 19:07.25 | mille25 | and im still not 100% pleased with it, might have to finetune further |
| 19:09.12 | kingTD | G0A duckies stewox leave |
| 19:09.16 | kingTD | chat not visible |
| 19:09.20 | kingTD | people waitting |
| 19:09.22 | Zolden | did you make it n * log(n)? |
| 19:09.35 | kingTD | ahli |
| 19:09.43 | Zolden | kingTD waht are you playing hterE? |
| 19:09.48 | mille25 | Zolden: well quicksort is n * log(n) :D |
| 19:10.04 | kingTD | main menu waitting game |
| 19:10.15 | kingTD | where you wait for people to finish playing the game to start new |
| 19:11.47 | kingTD | nooblark leave!!!!!! |
| 19:14.03 | A1win | how to make a button be stuck in its "pressed" state? visually at least |
| 19:15.29 | mille25 | set the buttons image to the image which is displayed when it gets pressed |
| 19:16.06 | A1win | hmm right, thought it'd display the hovered icon then but I guess not |
| 19:16.37 | mille25 | ? |
| 19:17.32 | A1win | actually yeah |
| 19:17.41 | A1win | it gets stuck in the hovered image, not the pressed image |
| 19:17.48 | A1win | since hover/pressed is in the same file |
| 19:18.10 | mille25 | oh |
| 19:18.12 | mille25 | hm... |
| 19:18.19 | mille25 | then i guess the only way is to create a custom image |
| 19:18.26 | A1win | there's "set dialog item toggled", could see how that works |
| 19:18.26 | mille25 | which shows the pressed image as normal :D |
| 19:18.35 | A1win | they do it in blizzard's hotkey options |
| 19:19.18 | A1win | yeah this works |
| 19:19.39 | mille25 | the toggled thing? |
| 19:20.31 | A1win | yeah |
| 19:20.55 | A1win | toggled = true just means the button remains pressed down |
| 19:21.03 | mille25 | cool |
| 19:21.06 | A1win | and when set to false, it comes back up |
| 19:21.19 | A1win | or at least I assume so, didn't test that yet :P |
| 19:22.20 | A1win | whee, works perfectly |
| 19:22.50 | mille25 | they really thought of alot of shit |
| 19:23.06 | mille25 | i wouldnt know why anybody would want to make a button appear as pressed even though it isnt :P |
| 19:23.06 | A1win | hmm now I need somewhere to put "Press the desired key" message when configuring a key |
| 19:23.25 | A1win | they use it themselves :P |
| 19:23.26 | mille25 | aaah |
| 19:23.31 | mille25 | i see what you are trying to do. |
| 19:24.11 | A1win | not trying, doing ;> |
| 19:24.18 | Stewox | what kingtd ? |
| 19:24.22 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a102/SC2%202013-11-29%2021-23-41-64.jpg |
| 19:24.24 | kingTD | leave game |
| 19:24.27 | Stewox | oh lol |
| 19:24.31 | Stewox | middle of it |
| 19:24.32 | kingTD | the chat invisisible |
| 19:24.34 | Stewox | i'll tell them |
| 19:24.38 | Stewox | indeed |
| 19:24.43 | Stewox | not sure why |
| 19:25.45 | Stewox | it's custom chat with the game, that's why |
| 19:25.52 | Stewox | but it's in middle |
| 19:25.53 | Stewox | i'll tell you waiting |
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| 19:34.21 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a102/SC2%202013-11-29%2021-33-52-18.jpg |
| 19:34.35 | A1win | reads the key names and the help at bottom from existing text entries so it's automatically localized :P |
| 19:34.59 | Stewox | ok kingtd |
| 19:36.35 | A1win | hmm probably need to make the buttons wider, some key names are long <.< |
| 19:45.08 | A1win | o: it works |
| 19:45.56 | A1win | almost |
| 19:46.02 | A1win | (jinxed it) |
| 19:47.17 | mille25 | i hope the hotkeys also get permanently saved, A1win ? :D |
| 19:47.59 | A1win | yeah they will |
| 19:48.09 | A1win | oh it worked, just set the keys wrong when testing :P |
| 19:48.31 | mille25 | so how did you get the key names now? |
| 19:49.00 | A1win | just a huge switch that converts them to either a string for keys that don't have a localized name or a localized name from already existing game text |
| 19:49.18 | A1win | like Key/Up, Key/Down etc. game texts |
| 19:49.57 | mille25 | ah okay, i thought you had found a better solution. using a huge switch myself right now |
| 19:50.23 | mille25 | could also use a huge string with keynames seperated by whitespace in combination with "word of string", but then it would make hotkeys with whitespace in them impossible |
| 19:50.51 | A1win | ;x |
| 19:52.04 | mille25 | could also use a big array and use the key as index, but that would also have to be initialized :D |
| 19:52.56 | A1win | yeah switch is fine |
| 19:53.32 | mille25 | the array solution would have shorter code and faster access though |
| 19:53.53 | mille25 | but it would consume memory :D |
| 19:56.11 | A1win | yeah well it's not like it's being executed hundreds of times every frame |
| 19:56.52 | A1win | whee I think I finally fixed my leaderboard >_> |
| 19:57.11 | A1win | was putting inactive players there as empty space |
| 19:57.18 | A1win | because my logic failed ;p |
| 20:00.21 | mille25 | good old logic failures. :D |
| 20:04.36 | Serashin | needs some kind of top list for logic failures |
| 20:07.29 | A1win | now just some small tweaks like fallback for altkey is primary == alternative |
| 20:07.33 | A1win | oh and the clear key buttons... |
| 20:23.29 | *** join/#sc2mapster ElectricPrism (~Loren@unaffiliated/electricprism) |
| 20:33.32 | Stewox | here's the MEME mentioned in EU MAP NIGHT on PICTIONARY http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3460/indeed.png |
| 20:35.16 | Ahli | oh'rly? |
| 20:35.18 | G0A | duckies http://pbrd.co/18sFkIB |
| 20:35.24 | G0A | see he is in the party:D |
| 20:35.38 | duckies | lol, phantom player |
| 20:35.43 | duckies | he's haunting you G0A :D |
| 20:38.54 | JademusSreg | Pzoop |
| 20:45.27 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a102/SC2%202013-11-29%2022-45-02-45.jpg |
| 20:46.04 | Serashin | sexy one |
| 20:46.43 | Serashin | looks everything natural . as if it were a propper market design aka blizzard like |
| 20:47.12 | A1win | the X buttons are a bit off, maybe just decrease size by a little |
| 20:47.22 | A1win | like by 2 UI pixels |
| 20:47.43 | Serashin | i dont like atm with detail eyes on it . but one question tho its a map designed hotkey change or ? |
| 20:47.44 | A1win | the alternative key now falls back if primary key is the same or if primary key is empty |
| 20:47.49 | Serashin | not in simple menü > profile |
| 20:47.53 | JademusSreg | Slick. |
| 20:48.14 | A1win | yeah I can't do this in the bnet hotkey menu, this is built into the map |
| 20:48.14 | Serashin | dont look * |
| 20:48.20 | A1win | will save them in bank file |
| 20:48.21 | Serashin | great |
| 20:48.37 | A1win | don't have duplicate detection yet, hmmh |
| 20:48.56 | A1win | and mouse swap isn't functional, will do that now |
| 20:48.59 | mille25 | those details always cost the most time, A1win |
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| 20:55.53 | Zolden | Triceron hey |
| 20:56.04 | Zolden | how's shit going? |
| 20:59.33 | Bommes | Hmm A1win, I think I would combine the Respawn timer indication thing and the respawn button |
| 20:59.45 | A1win | can't |
| 20:59.52 | A1win | the button needs to be off-center :x |
| 20:59.57 | JademusSreg | remembers map night. |
| 21:00.10 | Serashin | ur to late lol |
| 21:00.14 | JademusSreg | I should make my demo a bit more playable. |
| 21:00.24 | A1win | I need to trick players into moving their mouse away from center of screen x/y to calculate their UI aspect ratio from mouse moved/clicked event |
| 21:00.34 | Bommes | man, assault android cactus is fun |
| 21:00.43 | Bommes | it's just early access right now but I can already recommend it |
| 21:00.54 | A1win | whee mouse swap works now |
| 21:00.54 | Serashin | dno |
| 21:01.02 | Serashin | what kind of fancy games u playing still ? |
| 21:01.05 | Serashin | i might jump in for 1 |
| 21:01.34 | A1win | now just need to add a menu to open the controls interface instead of it always being on ;p |
| 21:10.55 | A1win | maybe a preset dropdown for dvorak and stuff |
| 21:11.15 | A1win | though dunno if dropdown menus can be customized well enough |
| 21:21.20 | JademusSreg | They can with custom templates. |
| 21:43.11 | Triceron | Ahoy Zolden |
| 21:54.37 | kingTD | crashed sc2 |
| 21:54.45 | kingTD | gg wp EU map night |
| 21:54.50 | JademusSreg | HAh |
| 21:55.05 | Ahli | :X |
| 21:55.31 | duckies | oh |
| 21:55.42 | duckies | no wonder it's oading forever |
| 21:55.52 | kingTD | ^^ |
| 21:56.08 | kingTD | yeah its like hidden dialog of player dc for 45 secs |
| 21:57.48 | duckies | so you're done for this friday kingTD ? |
| 21:57.54 | kingTD | yeah |
| 21:58.24 | duckies | gg gn then =) |
| 21:59.09 | kingTD | gg |
| 22:03.31 | Zolden | gg |
| 22:04.42 | mille25 | [11/29/2013 11:04:40 PM] Warning: Unable to load 'Triggers' from 'C:/dropbox scu/Dropbox/SCU Main/SCU - Active Projects/scu engine.SC2Mod' |
| 22:04.43 | mille25 | err... |
| 22:04.46 | mille25 | what the... :D |
| 22:07.25 | JademusSreg | Ominous. |
| 22:07.54 | mille25 | something is fucking up badly. |
| 22:08.03 | mille25 | got a weird "out of memory" error testing SCU earlier today, too. |
| 22:08.09 | mille25 | and had to restore an older version. |
| 22:08.40 | mille25 | triggers.xml has 1528581 lines |
| 22:08.42 | *** join/#sc2mapster ElectricPrism1 (~Loren@76-228-77-43.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:08.43 | mille25 | hmm |
| 22:09.07 | Serashin | some mod maps having trouble interacting with each other . idk why played for example fates starhammer map . and when i played city of tempest then . i had his custom units in hotkey list |
| 22:17.41 | *** join/#sc2mapster JonesFK (jygga@unaffiliated/jygga) |
| 22:17.52 | mille25 | FUCK |
| 22:18.08 | mille25 | the last 6 versions cant load script, still testing further |
| 22:18.12 | mille25 | that means at least one hour of work lost.. |
| 22:19.19 | JademusSreg | Catastrophic. |
| 22:19.35 | JademusSreg | Or Catastrofuck, if you prefer. |
| 22:20.14 | mille25 | :D |
| 22:20.39 | mille25 | okay |
| 22:20.42 | mille25 | at least 4 hours lost |
| 22:20.46 | mille25 | yay |
| 22:21.26 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:21.55 | mille25 | okay |
| 22:22.01 | mille25 | the 10th lastest version works. |
| 22:22.40 | mille25 | that was 4 hours of horrible programming of quicksort and gui shit and galaxy |
| 22:22.51 | mille25 | i dont wanna do this again T_T |
| 22:23.47 | JademusSreg | subtly gestures toward user data and galaxy script. |
| 22:23.58 | mille25 | :D |
| 22:25.06 | mille25 | current revision is 556 |
| 22:25.11 | mille25 | the last one working 544 .. |
| 22:26.24 | JademusSreg | Oh, you might enjoy the results of some tests I ran last night. |
| 22:26.43 | JademusSreg | Fairly simple stuff, but rigor is the better part of valor or something. |
| 22:26.48 | mille25 | teeests? =D |
| 22:27.51 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/qdfm7 |
| 22:28.04 | Bommes | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2WH8mHJnhM that just played on the DH stream... wow |
| 22:30.31 | mille25 | well... |
| 22:30.31 | JademusSreg | Results: fixed can be initialized with hex and octal literals, conditionals accept all standard types directly, and arrays can be compared by value, though arrayref compares by reference. |
| 22:30.54 | mille25 | seems like it was just a random corruption. pasting a shitton of code into the last working revisiton didnt break it, so it doesnt seem some sort of trigger gui.xml limit |
| 22:32.20 | JademusSreg | Oh, and any standard type can be static, constant, non-constants auto initialize to empty values, and constants can only have empty values if initialized explicitly. Assumed most of that, just wanted to demonstrate it. |
| 22:32.24 | Serashin | a1win , testrun <3 |
| 22:32.39 | mille25 | is static the same as in C? |
| 22:32.44 | mille25 | for global vars? |
| 22:33.51 | JademusSreg | Seems to make shit invisible outside of its script; closer to private modifier, oddly. |
| 22:34.15 | mille25 | that makes sense. static makes global variables unaccessable by other files in C, too. |
| 22:34.32 | mille25 | what does "handle" do? |
| 22:34.44 | JademusSreg | handle is apparently useless. |
| 22:34.54 | mille25 | but there are zero initializers for each type? |
| 22:35.06 | mille25 | or rather null initializers. |
| 22:36.11 | JademusSreg | For the non-primitive types, yeah. |
| 22:37.00 | JademusSreg | I used to think color was a structure, but since it contains 4 bytes, one for each channel, I suspect it's just a 32-bit value type. |
| 22:39.28 | mille25 | im wondering what handle was meant to be for. |
| 22:39.38 | mille25 | never heard of "handles" in c |
| 22:39.43 | mille25 | no idea what it would do. |
| 22:41.47 | JademusSreg | It's extended by the given types, no natives can operate on it, and while I've not tested it myself, apparently no operators work on it either. |
| 22:42.04 | JademusSreg | Well, besides comparison, of course. |
| 22:42.10 | mille25 | maybe its some sort of pointer |
| 22:42.22 | mille25 | some sort of void* :D |
| 22:42.28 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 22:42.42 | mille25 | a void* accepts null and can point on every type. |
| 22:43.03 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 22:43.32 | mille25 | also it would sort of match the null_<typename> constants, even though technically they would all have the same value (null) |
| 22:44.10 | mille25 | arrayref<bullshit> a_ref; wtf? :D |
| 22:44.41 | mille25 | wow i didnt even know there was typedef in galaxy haha |
| 22:44.45 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 22:45.09 | JademusSreg | Figured out what handle is used for, just now. =D |
| 22:45.52 | JademusSreg | And it's actually useful information. |
| 22:46.39 | JademusSreg | All the handle extending types benefit from automatic garbage collection in the galaxy vm. |
| 22:52.12 | A1win | how's Battlespace for name? |
| 22:52.50 | A1win | other than being abbreviated into BS |
| 22:53.54 | JademusSreg | So non-handle reference types don't get garbage collected when they're no longer referenced. Vision revealers, units, triggers, units, waves, specifically. |
| 22:54.15 | JademusSreg | A1, sounds perfect. |
| 22:54.33 | JademusSreg | Especially the acronym. |
| 22:55.13 | A1win | yeah except someone's already taken it, surprisingly |
| 22:56.57 | JademusSreg | How about βattleΣpace? |
| 22:57.37 | A1win | can't see UTF-8 chars <.< |
| 22:57.52 | JademusSreg | What can't see? |
| 22:57.52 | G0A | Zolden you know that your map has new epic bug? |
| 22:58.03 | A1win | on IRC |
| 22:58.29 | A1win | using ISO charset |
| 22:58.32 | JademusSreg | Ah. Your client leaves much to desired. |
| 22:58.50 | A1win | it should be possible but somehow I've always managed to screw it up |
| 22:58.58 | JademusSreg | Anyway, use the greek letters. |
| 22:59.25 | A1win | won't show up in search, then ;p |
| 23:00.05 | JademusSreg | Uncertain unless it's been tested. =D |
| 23:00.50 | JademusSreg | But using sigma for the s should be fine, assuming people just type "battle". |
| 23:01.52 | duckies | G0A ;/ |
| 23:02.43 | mille25 | ill totally be doing a diff on triggers.xml later to see if its corrupted :D |
| 23:03.27 | mille25 | might take some time with 1.5 million lines though |
| 23:03.35 | mille25 | i hope nodepads plugin is efficient.. |
| 23:12.09 | A1win | maybe Battle Space is good enough |
| 23:13.24 | A1win | the BS is stronger in this one |
| 23:13.58 | A1win | well fuck, that one's taken on NA |
| 23:15.46 | A1win | and Battlespace on both NA and EU |
| 23:21.21 | *** join/#sc2mapster mille25_ (54873792@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.135.55.146) |
| 23:21.27 | mille25_ | lol |
| 23:21.34 | mille25_ | my computer just crashed trying to diff the files :D |
| 23:23.15 | *** join/#sc2mapster mille25__ (54873792@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.135.55.146) |
| 23:23.19 | mille25__ | again lol |
| 23:23.33 | mille25__ | trying this on my laptop now :D |
| 23:26.28 | JademusSreg | Oh look, someone actually did make a galaxy thing for eclipse, neato. |
| 23:26.41 | JademusSreg | https://code.google.com/p/galaxy-kit/ |
| 23:26.43 | mille25__ | LOL |
| 23:26.47 | mille25__ | the laptop cant find its hard drive |
| 23:26.51 | mille25__ | what the hell is going on today |
| 23:26.59 | JademusSreg | mille, you're dooooooooomed. |
| 23:27.08 | mille25__ | its bug day! :D |
| 23:35.25 | mille25__ | LOL |
| 23:36.28 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 23:36.50 | mille25__ | okay |
| 23:36.53 | mille25__ | i just made a video of this |
| 23:36.57 | mille25__ | give me a sec :D |
| 23:38.18 | mille25__ | ill upload this to youtube |
| 23:38.29 | mille25__ | just to give you guys an idea how fucked up my computers are right now |
| 23:38.52 | mille25__ | i just tried to compare the two trigger.xml files using notepad on my laptop, after fixing the no hard drive error and after my desktop crashed trying to compare them |
| 23:40.26 | JademusSreg | handles display in the debugger in 0x memory address format, so that's nice. Now if I can just find an operator to modify them... |
| 23:41.56 | mille25__ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twqfJZNZqIk&feature=youtu.be |
| 23:42.04 | mille25__ | this is my laptop trying to compare triggers.xml |
| 23:42.05 | mille25__ | WTF :D |
| 23:43.47 | JademusSreg | Hm. Reminds me of how glitchy screens full of error-garbage and noise on old SNES games is scarier than any horror movie. |
| 23:46.28 | mille25__ | im wondering how this is possible |
| 23:46.43 | mille25__ | how can notepad++ crash the entire operating system on two independend machines |
| 23:46.54 | mille25__ | really weird. |
| 23:47.49 | mille25__ | trying an online text compare site now lol |
| 23:48.57 | mille25__ | well |
| 23:49.09 | mille25__ | the website cant even handle me pasting 1.5 million lines haha |
| 23:51.41 | JademusSreg | It's almost as though using single massive source files is somehow antithetical to modern development support systems. Hmmmmmmm. |
| 23:53.01 | mille25__ | http://pastebin.com/DtwNT8cH |
| 23:53.10 | mille25__ | so thats the diff between the working and not working version, using windows FC command |
| 23:53.12 | mille25__ | hmmm... |
| 23:54.51 | mille25__ | interresting |
| 23:55.07 | mille25__ | i think i found smth |
| 23:59.30 | mille25__ | yeeeeeeep |
| 23:59.33 | mille25__ | :D |
| 23:59.38 | mille25__ | haha wow |
