| 00:03.34 | A1win | I guess I can take out those semicolons after DPS: and COOLDOWN: |
| 00:07.48 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a100/SC2%202013-11-28%2002-07-21-82.jpg |
| 00:08.02 | A1win | should think of something better for "a red EMP projectile" and "a blue EMP projectile" :P |
| 00:09.01 | A1win | oops, forgot to put 2x dps to the pew pew gun since it fires two projectiles |
| 00:10.02 | Ahli | when I've no oil I will get those then, thanks :D |
| 00:14.50 | A1win | hmm wonder why I've abbreviated DPS but not Cooldown |
| 00:15.49 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a100/SC2%202013-11-28%2002-15-22-03.jpg |
| 00:16.54 | A1win | hmm that shoul clearly be Pew Pew Gun |
| 00:17.33 | A1win | +d |
| 01:17.51 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a100/SC2%202013-11-28%2003-17-23-91.jpg |
| 01:22.48 | A1win | phew, tooltips for all 5 weapons now, abilities left to go |
| 01:23.40 | A1win | sleep time |
| 02:29.39 | JademusSreg | Zvar fnargle. |
| 02:53.59 | ArcanePariah | Oh JademusSreg, the almighty burrito, this lowly mortal begs your for your amazing insight into the arcane art of Data References, as they pertain to User Data fields |
| 02:54.07 | ArcanePariah | :P |
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| 03:01.47 | Zandose | hello |
| 03:15.53 | Zandose | can a string be used to get a variable? |
| 03:15.54 | miushock | hi guys |
| 03:16.11 | Zandose | hi |
| 03:17.42 | miushock | hmm string to variable |
| 03:18.02 | Zandose | think i figured it out. gv_o[gv_p[14].lv_whichUnitIsPlayers].lv_power |
| 03:18.03 | miushock | you mean.. to get a variable by its name? |
| 03:20.36 | Zandose | hmm |
| 03:21.24 | Zandose | there "gv_o[gv_p[lp_player].lv_whichUnitIsPlayers].lv_power" |
| 03:34.26 | JademusSreg | Oh hi thar Arc. |
| 03:34.40 | ArcanePariah | He lives! |
| 03:34.43 | ArcanePariah | XD |
| 03:35.00 | ArcanePariah | My supplication has succeeded :P |
| 03:35.29 | JademusSreg | What have you attempted so far? =D |
| 03:35.58 | ArcanePariah | Anyhow, when I attempted to use a data reference in text, it only permitted me to use certain fields in certain objects. It would not permit me to use fields in the User Data type at all |
| 03:36.20 | JademusSreg | Sounds odd. |
| 03:37.03 | JademusSreg | Lemme see how the editor behaves... |
| 03:37.34 | ArcanePariah | Ok... this is weird, now its working lol |
| 03:38.43 | JademusSreg | Glad to be of no-help. =D |
| 03:38.49 | ArcanePariah | lol |
| 03:39.23 | JademusSreg | Had opened the editor and was just about to test, too. |
| 03:41.47 | ArcanePariah | Ahh, it appears you can only use limited referenecs directly in expressions |
| 03:43.56 | JademusSreg | Ah, text expressions. Those are rather odd. Some languages have APIs like String.format("%some shitty expression",someObject) but galaxy has a very limited set of natives. |
| 03:45.16 | JademusSreg | Here's the galaxy string/text API: https://pastee.org/xpsfn |
| 03:45.46 | JademusSreg | Scroll down to TextExpressionSetToken and Assemble. |
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| 03:48.20 | JademusSreg | The SetToken calls don't appear to do anything until Assemble is called, and then all the "code" tokens are replaced with the value text. |
| 03:51.33 | JademusSreg | Embedded data references are generally better since they work for nearly any text display (whether text in dialog controls or layouts), and don't need their updates managed. |
| 03:59.25 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, that is what I'm aiming for |
| 03:59.41 | ArcanePariah | Would spare a decent amount of performance to have the engine selfupdate textual dispaly |
| 04:00.41 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 04:04.54 | Stewox | heya |
| 04:05.35 | Stewox | getting interesting with ISON, still going great https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaITcEBCQAAoRcE.jpg:large |
| 04:05.45 | Stewox | http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/c3/1024/latest.jpg |
| 04:08.14 | Stewox | right afther noon for you guys in US it'll be live here http://cometison.gsfc.nasa.gov/ |
| 04:12.47 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (45f8f26f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.242.111) |
| 04:12.49 | Bounty | Pew |
| 04:13.20 | Bounty | You there JademusSreg? |
| 04:13.55 | JademusSreg | Yep. I'm in a mood to photoshop. =D |
| 04:14.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:14.22 | Bounty | Well I could use some feedback from your perspective |
| 04:14.25 | Bounty | If you're interested |
| 04:15.18 | Bounty | OR you could work on the logo and we could discuss this another time |
| 04:15.19 | JademusSreg | Arc, also may be of interest that the client and editor have PCRE. =D |
| 04:15.33 | ArcanePariah | PCRE? |
| 04:15.46 | JademusSreg | http://www.pcre.org/ |
| 04:16.44 | JademusSreg | Bounty, either way, or both. |
| 04:18.00 | ArcanePariah | lol JademusSreg, where??? Where will it parse it? |
| 04:19.26 | JademusSreg | Oh, they use it for parsing and formatting messages. No shortage of tokens in the string dumps. |
| 04:20.00 | JademusSreg | They just don't expose it, or use it in the search fields apparently. |
| 04:20.19 | JademusSreg | (Shitty search filters.) |
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| 06:04.29 | ArcanePariah | Oi Jade, slight issue I'm encountering... is there a way to change a data reference in a text from triggers? |
| 06:05.47 | ArcanePariah | Because I want to set a tooltip for a button, but there is 8 buttons and each tooltip is player specific, so right now I would have to write a very ugly 8 block switch statement and copy paste the same work among all of them, just changing which data instance that tooltip uses |
| 06:06.50 | ArcanePariah | Does reference links accept variables or no? |
| 06:07.23 | JademusSreg | Ah, are these text values set from trigger? |
| 06:08.46 | ArcanePariah | Yes. Currently I have a tooltip that is built via concatenation, and refreshed ever 1/4 second |
| 06:09.05 | ArcanePariah | That displays all the players stats in a button tooltip |
| 06:09.15 | JademusSreg | For example, if you compose the text from triggers, TextReplace would be convenient for replacing a token with player specific instance of user data. |
| 06:10.02 | ArcanePariah | Oh, text replace operates on the text, including the D ref stuff? |
| 06:10.10 | JademusSreg | Convert player to int, use the player int in the player-specific instance's name string, simple enough. |
| 06:10.24 | JademusSreg | Yeah, it operates on the raw text. |
| 06:10.36 | ArcanePariah | Excellent, thank you :D |
| 06:10.37 | JademusSreg | So it's reliable regardless of locale. |
| 06:12.40 | ArcanePariah | Let me make sure I'm understanding correctly, if I have something like<d ref="User,PlayerStartingData,Instances[1].Int[3].Int"/>I could do text replace on Instances[1] and replace it with Instances[5] |
| 06:13.53 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 06:14.45 | ArcanePariah | Perfect |
| 06:18.19 | Bounty | So I watched a video tonight that made me have faith in Capitalism |
| 06:18.22 | Bounty | .>.< |
| 06:18.40 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=019sL5ltjCA |
| 06:23.38 | miushock | does anyone know about the green circle under selected unit? |
| 06:31.20 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 06:31.38 | G0A | you mean selection circle? |
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| 06:33.29 | DeadZergling | anyone there good with Texture Select by ID, and in an explanatory mood? |
| 06:33.38 | Bounty | DeadZergling |
| 06:33.42 | Bounty | I just re learned that |
| 06:33.46 | Bounty | :) |
| 06:33.48 | Bounty | the other day |
| 06:33.49 | G0A | Bounty There is only one problem with it. Nobody will invest in a country with high capital gain taxes, specially if you are making a global company. Stupid talks like that made me stop listening TED talks... |
| 06:33.59 | Bounty | Are you good with tutorials? |
| 06:34.14 | DeadZergling | not that one, even with the missing images there |
| 06:34.15 | Bounty | Oh I agree G0A |
| 06:34.20 | DeadZergling | i could only do it for the damn zealot hair |
| 06:34.23 | Bounty | Would just lose more jobs to china lol |
| 06:34.24 | DeadZergling | couldn't repro it on anything else |
| 06:34.35 | Bounty | But what he is saying.... is how it should work |
| 06:35.17 | Bounty | I learned enough about texture select by ID to do this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/68108247/Menu%20and%20Cinematic%20Demo.mp4 |
| 06:35.27 | Bounty | The galaxy is just the unit stun model |
| 06:35.39 | Bounty | re textured like 5 times with 30 or so layers |
| 06:35.41 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:35.56 | Bounty | What did you need to know DeadZergling? |
| 06:36.10 | G0A | utopias always have this "how it should work"... |
| 06:36.43 | DeadZergling | oh, about the whole thing from the beginning pretty much, that is how little I understand the process |
| 06:37.33 | miushock | ah |
| 06:37.38 | miushock | yes the selection circle |
| 06:37.52 | miushock | how to increase/decrease the size |
| 06:39.00 | G0A | in the model data |
| 06:39.49 | ArcanePariah | G0A I can agree somewhat, but capital gains are still needed, otherwise... welll see current US Wall St. where traders make more from capital gain in a day then 90% of americans can make in a lifetime of salary work |
| 06:39.52 | G0A | Art: Selection Radius0.8332 |
| 06:40.06 | miushock | >_< |
| 06:40.08 | miushock | ok got it |
| 06:40.55 | JademusSreg | The prefix initiates the adaptions for each substring, referenced by a slot. The prefix and substring values can overlap, even be identical. Slot is arbitrary, but are preset. There's a list of the damn things somewhere. |
| 06:41.06 | G0A | ArcanePariah most already dont pay capital gain taxes on "Wall ST" by using offshore companies |
| 06:41.45 | ArcanePariah | Yes sadly, which explains the current wealth distribution in the US |
| 06:42.03 | ArcanePariah | Which is too say, it more resembles feudalism then anything else |
| 06:42.07 | G0A | but yeah some is reasonable, but even more reasonable to lower income tax. Soon in my country the income tax will be under 10% :) |
| 06:42.54 | ArcanePariah | Umm.. the US has already dropped our income tax by a insane amount over the last 4 decades, our highest tax bracket used to be in the 90% |
| 06:43.19 | ArcanePariah | You can't keep cutting taxes and expect the wealth gains to suddenly boost the economy |
| 06:44.04 | ArcanePariah | Here in the US, we've tried exactly that, and it hasn't exactly worked. Most people still have crappy incomes, and wall st posts record income/profits... :/ |
| 06:44.36 | Stewox | paradigm shift: http://www.thepeoplesvoice.tv/watchnow |
| 06:45.12 | ArcanePariah | I dunno, it just I read a (fairly) recent study laying out the wealth distribution of the US, and it's sad. Top 10% have like 70%, and the bottom 40% have basically 0 |
| 06:45.20 | G0A | ArcanePariah US didnt have income tax before like 1920... |
| 06:45.32 | JademusSreg | So one could have 2 texture declares, prefixes and substrings shittyDiffuse and shittySpecular for the respective declares, or 1 texture declare with prefix shitty and 2 adaptions with substring Diffuse and Specular, and the slots, hell, could be hair, chest, main, main.diffuse, whatever, doesn't even matter. |
| 06:45.50 | DeadZergling | yea, my goals are a bit more simple Bounty, just looking to recolor some potion bottles :P |
| 06:45.51 | G0A | Also progressive taxing doesnt help lot, it just make lots of crappy low paying jobs |
| 06:45.54 | ArcanePariah | Yes, and it reached its height post WWII, but around the 70's we've steadily reduced it |
| 06:45.57 | JademusSreg | So long as one knows which slot is being used for which texture. |
| 06:46.25 | ArcanePariah | Welp... you HAVE to tax rich people, otherwise nothing stops them from reinvesting the wealth to own more wealth, and effectively become plutocrats |
| 06:46.32 | ArcanePariah | aka feudal lords |
| 06:47.16 | G0A | ArcanePariah there are lots of things other than taxes which can fix wealth distribution.... |
| 06:47.21 | Stewox | maybe this will work for you G0A |
| 06:47.24 | ArcanePariah | Such as? |
| 06:47.26 | Bounty | DeadZergling |
| 06:47.28 | Bounty | First link http://lmgtfy.com/?q=texture+select+by+ID+galaxy+editor |
| 06:47.30 | G0A | inflation... |
| 06:47.37 | ArcanePariah | Which... screws the poor |
| 06:47.40 | Bounty | Aw shit |
| 06:47.43 | ArcanePariah | and the rich just trade around it |
| 06:47.48 | G0A | it screws everybody... |
| 06:47.51 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 06:47.54 | Bounty | you see this shit? |
| 06:48.02 | Bounty | I apparently have two talents |
| 06:48.13 | ArcanePariah | Yes, but the poor are hit the hardest since they have little to no room to finacially manaveur |
| 06:48.14 | Bounty | one of which is starting political arguments |
| 06:48.15 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:48.24 | G0A | :D |
| 06:48.36 | Stewox | G0A, funnily, The Federal Reserve Bank was created 1913 |
| 06:48.48 | Stewox | 7 years later you got income tax |
| 06:48.51 | JademusSreg | *inane arguments |
| 06:48.59 | Stewox | 20 year later you got the great depression |
| 06:49.03 | ArcanePariah | There has to be some kind of wealth redistribution because the historical trend of wealth is to concentrate itself |
| 06:49.28 | ArcanePariah | Which generally ends rather badly |
| 06:49.28 | Bounty | I don't think its an inane argument |
| 06:49.34 | Bounty | Makes sense |
| 06:49.36 | ArcanePariah | ie Revolutions |
| 06:49.37 | Bounty | the video I linked |
| 06:49.39 | Bounty | all it said was |
| 06:49.49 | Bounty | the consumers are the job creators, not the rich |
| 06:49.51 | Bounty | which is true |
| 06:49.53 | ArcanePariah | Yep |
| 06:49.54 | Stewox | "From now on, depressions will be scientifically created." — Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh Sr. , 1913 |
| 06:49.58 | Bounty | thats all I said |
| 06:50.25 | G0A | Bounty yeah thats true. |
| 06:50.29 | ArcanePariah | The biggest reason for that is... a person, no matter how rich, has finite ways to spend wealth directly on themself |
| 06:50.47 | ArcanePariah | I don't care how wealthy you are, you can only eat so much in a day |
| 06:50.53 | ArcanePariah | and travel so far |
| 06:51.00 | Stewox | inflation is actually a hidden tax ... |
| 06:51.22 | Stewox | via fractional reserve banking and multiple-lending, you're paying tax on tax |
| 06:51.37 | Bounty | Yeah, thats all I said guys |
| 06:51.40 | Stewox | you're paying for the cost of your own slavery |
| 06:51.43 | Bounty | Why are you guys arguing? |
| 06:51.44 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:52.04 | ArcanePariah | Well... we are debating the methods to bring about that goal |
| 06:52.12 | Bounty | Ah |
| 06:52.16 | Bounty | Easy solution |
| 06:52.22 | ArcanePariah | Some argue that the rich should be taxed heavily in order to encourage them to not hoard money |
| 06:52.23 | G0A | yeah Stewox our master alien overlords enslave us with civilization |
| 06:52.34 | Bounty | Planetary economy and government is the solution |
| 06:52.37 | Bounty | sadly |
| 06:52.43 | Stewox | traitor |
| 06:52.44 | ArcanePariah | Some believe investment will encourage jobcreation |
| 06:52.50 | Bounty | Its true Stewox |
| 06:53.01 | Stewox | fuck off new world order shill |
| 06:53.07 | Stewox | you're a communist |
| 06:53.16 | Stewox | you admitted |
| 06:53.20 | Bounty | You have a system that encourages competition, and we have countries that compete with eachother |
| 06:53.23 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 06:53.29 | Bounty | But I'm realistic lol |
| 06:53.33 | ArcanePariah | and yes Bounty, ultimately you are correct, because then it puts companies and individuals on even footing with government, right now corporations can play nations financial laws and policies against each other |
| 06:53.37 | Stewox | you tried to rationalize your communist head |
| 06:53.42 | Stewox | tried to fool me |
| 06:53.42 | Bounty | The human race is not ready for communism |
| 06:53.48 | Bounty | at all |
| 06:53.50 | ArcanePariah | See the current irish scheme used |
| 06:53.54 | Bounty | You can't force something like communism |
| 06:54.04 | Bounty | Thats how you end up like the soviets |
| 06:54.15 | G0A | Bounty you bastard communists I will tell you to the FBI! :) |
| 06:54.21 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:54.24 | Bounty | oh cmon |
| 06:54.31 | Bounty | I'm fighting for true capitalism here |
| 06:54.49 | Bounty | I just happen to also believe that communism is the future (very distant future) |
| 06:54.50 | ArcanePariah | As we've argued before, pure communism or captialism will never exist, both are inherantly self destructive |
| 06:55.40 | Stewox | in case anyone else doesn't understand, bounty said he knows the true meaning of communism and wants the news system to be called like that, well, I'm not buying that until I research that myself, but i DOUBT there will be any more people wanting to have "communism 2.0" |
| 06:56.04 | Bounty | what? |
| 06:56.05 | Stewox | negativity is attached to the name |
| 06:56.13 | Bounty | nigga you crazy |
| 06:56.16 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:56.44 | Bounty | Look, we don't need to get into this communist shit again |
| 06:56.58 | Stewox | even if the new freedom system has good components of communism, it wouldn't be called communism because of the past negativity, nobody would want that at all |
| 06:57.01 | Stewox | aslo see, he's a racist |
| 06:57.05 | Bounty | I just personally think we should act as a planetary society working towards the greater good |
| 06:57.08 | Bounty | thats it |
| 06:57.10 | Bounty | end of discussion |
| 06:57.18 | Bounty | back to the capialism thing |
| 06:57.24 | Bounty | capitalism* |
| 06:57.41 | Stewox | yeah that's what the new world order is, deception and "greater good" i know that trick, you think im a fool |
| 06:58.01 | Bounty | Stewox |
| 06:58.13 | Bounty | I've done my research of the NWO |
| 06:58.16 | Bounty | Let me tell you this now |
| 06:58.19 | Bounty | I hate to break this to you |
| 06:58.20 | Stewox | no kidding |
| 06:58.24 | Bounty | But if that shit is true |
| 06:58.26 | Bounty | its over |
| 06:58.29 | Bounty | enjoy your life |
| 06:58.35 | Bounty | Simple as that |
| 06:58.44 | Stewox | what over, ofcourse it's over already, unless the stupid masses don't wake up |
| 06:59.06 | Stewox | you think one world goverment will be better, yes, if you are part of the elite |
| 06:59.17 | G0A | Blabla communism bad, all states are like half communist just read "The Communist Manifesto" and you will know..... |
| 06:59.50 | Stewox | but you definitely aren't , even those who think they are in the elite they are NOT, the politicians, the military, the celebrities, all those are TOOLs and puppets, they will be exterminated as well |
| 07:00.23 | G0A | yeah the master alien overlords running everything |
| 07:00.27 | Bounty | If you guys are going to argue, argue about the original topic lol |
| 07:00.37 | Stewox | the rulers are mentally ill to the point of being almost another species |
| 07:00.44 | Bounty | I promised I would not start one of these stupid debates about communism again |
| 07:00.45 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:00.51 | Bounty | anyways! |
| 07:00.53 | G0A | they are modifying your consciousness by modify radio board castes. |
| 07:00.55 | Bounty | Capitalism |
| 07:01.15 | G0A | :) |
| 07:01.16 | Bounty | A good system if the middle class is strong |
| 07:01.20 | Stewox | okay, you might not be a shill, maybe you're just one of the guys who's heavily duped by the idea of a one world government |
| 07:01.26 | Bounty | How do you maintain the strength of the middle class? |
| 07:01.45 | Bounty | While avoiding corruption and crony capitalism etc |
| 07:02.34 | G0A | btw I find these arguments funny, why do people think that everybody want to live in the same social and economy structure? |
| 07:02.53 | Stewox | just as director of interpol said, give citizens the guns |
| 07:02.59 | G0A | And why do people think they know what is the best without experiencing any of it? |
| 07:03.03 | Stewox | we don't need any permission |
| 07:03.11 | Bounty | Those are good points G0A |
| 07:03.29 | Stewox | there is no such thing as illegal firearms, this is just a fabrication of the crony boreucratics |
| 07:03.38 | Bounty | I don't claim to be right but at least I can say my heart is in the right place lol |
| 07:03.43 | G0A | yeah give me a tank |
| 07:04.04 | Stewox | you're heart might be good, but you're following the wrong path |
| 07:04.08 | JademusSreg | My hearts are not in the right place. |
| 07:04.55 | Bounty | I have yet to invent an entire economic/political system so, I can only describe my thoughts via what is provided lol |
| 07:05.05 | Bounty | I don't plan on inventing either |
| 07:05.10 | Stewox | ofcourse, you are known to totally don't give a flying fick except for your self, you are a useless person, best thing you can do is to at least not block the freedom movements for no reason |
| 07:05.16 | G0A | Stewox http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zszxeoa94g0 watch it:) |
| 07:05.34 | Bounty | Are you on drugs or drinking Stewox? |
| 07:05.40 | Stewox | im talking to jademus |
| 07:05.45 | Bounty | You're worse than I was when I used to come in here drunk as fuck all the time |
| 07:05.50 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:05.56 | G0A | rofl |
| 07:06.17 | Bounty | At least I could measure the stupid shit I would say in via my blood alcohol content |
| 07:06.30 | Bounty | JademusSreg remembers that shit |
| 07:06.33 | Bounty | I was THAT guy |
| 07:06.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:06.38 | Stewox | no |
| 07:06.46 | G0A | Hearts are leading cause of .... cardiovascular diseases:D |
| 07:06.57 | Bounty | haha |
| 07:07.03 | Stewox | i was talking about the all the countless times he spoken about conspiracy theories, all he said was how he doesn't care and we're all crazy |
| 07:07.18 | Bounty | I think you knew I meant heart metaphorically |
| 07:07.23 | Bounty | >.< |
| 07:07.38 | G0A | Stewox maybe because you are all crazy? |
| 07:07.47 | G0A | but that cant be true, you must be true. |
| 07:07.49 | Stewox | bounty, conspiracy talk spanned many times on this channel in the past 3 years |
| 07:08.00 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 07:08.04 | Stewox | jademus knows all about it ofcourse |
| 07:08.10 | Bounty | But I was drunk as shit spewing random bullshit |
| 07:08.13 | Bounty | big difference |
| 07:08.29 | DeadZergling | well due to gimp not liking me can't start on texture select at all yet :P |
| 07:08.49 | Bounty | Only when JademusSreg actually linked me to some of the shit I said did I understand how shitfaced I was LOL |
| 07:08.51 | Stewox | but he doesn't even get the fact, i tried to tell him, look, you don't have to believe any big conspiracy, but you could at least look into water quality |
| 07:09.05 | Bounty | Stewox |
| 07:09.09 | Bounty | We had this conversation dude |
| 07:09.10 | JademusSreg | All political/economic opinions can be found on the Delusion spectrum, anywhere from Naive to Batshit Crazy. |
| 07:09.16 | Bounty | I asked you very simply |
| 07:09.29 | Bounty | What evidence have you researched besides what X person said about Y |
| 07:09.39 | Bounty | and you could not provide anything else |
| 07:09.40 | Stewox | he said it right now |
| 07:10.39 | JademusSreg | As opposed to political/economic knowledge, which is found on the Application spectrum, ranging from Academic to Actual Politician. |
| 07:10.48 | Stewox | i said, if he has family, what a stupid person can you be not at least checking the fact and looking what your providing, he just doesn't give a flying shit, it's not conspiracy, it's survival instinct |
| 07:11.03 | Bounty | I have learned while I have become older that the more you look around over the course of many years, you realize something is fucked up but its not the Illuminati |
| 07:11.08 | Bounty | Make sense? |
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| 07:11.32 | Bounty | You can blame a portion on the government but its not all their fault |
| 07:11.38 | Stewox | it's not all illuminati, there are factions on the inside fighting for control |
| 07:11.41 | Bounty | There is no master plan |
| 07:11.53 | Stewox | ofcourse it's not the government, only criminal parts of it |
| 07:12.09 | Stewox | but the criminal parts control it, so we just name them as "the government" |
| 07:12.11 | Bounty | Have you seen the majority of people? |
| 07:12.20 | Bounty | Like they're not at fault? |
| 07:12.24 | G0A | yeah people are good and clever and only very few are evil.... |
| 07:12.45 | G0A | ohh i missed, there arent actually evil people, there are only alien master lords. |
| 07:13.09 | Bounty | I don't know what Stewox is talking about but my answer is Aliens |
| 07:13.24 | G0A | thats my answer! |
| 07:13.32 | Bounty | Nibiru 2012 |
| 07:13.34 | Bounty | oh wait... |
| 07:13.34 | Stewox | most of the government people are compartmentalized, some of them love the fact of control and play like they're powerful, some of them are good who eventually are whistleblowers, the others are just ignorant and obey orders |
| 07:13.37 | Bounty | its 2013 |
| 07:13.40 | Bounty | I mean... |
| 07:13.41 | G0A | alien master lords running the Illuminati |
| 07:13.45 | Bounty | Nibiru 2045 |
| 07:13.50 | G0A | :D |
| 07:14.01 | G0A | 2000 was the end of world anyway |
| 07:14.03 | Bounty | You know I used to believe that shit G0A? |
| 07:14.06 | Bounty | in my early 20's |
| 07:14.18 | G0A | sad story bro:( |
| 07:14.27 | Bounty | Before I started looking up everything I read lol |
| 07:14.47 | G0A | I used to believe that Santa is real. |
| 07:14.49 | Bounty | Was I the only one that believed that shit back in the day? |
| 07:14.58 | Stewox | that's why I linked TPV, it's the new channel on internet without crazy yelling and screaming and might open your eyes because it's truly independent |
| 07:15.13 | Bounty | I think it goes back to what you said G0A |
| 07:15.16 | Stewox | it's not conspiracy theory stuff |
| 07:15.30 | G0A | Dont know what people expect when we teach our kids things like Santa... |
| 07:15.39 | Bounty | We underestimate how clever people are but we forget how full of shit most of them are to lol |
| 07:16.16 | G0A | though most kids realize Santa is not real and people cant be trusted, but it seems like some moves Santa to the next level. |
| 07:16.36 | Stewox | how the heck has this any worth discussin |
| 07:16.53 | G0A | agree |
| 07:17.29 | Stewox | just release all these confusions |
| 07:18.14 | Stewox | what you guys are doing is, you look at something one day, and you keep talking about it for months, you need to keep looking for months and talking about it for a day or less |
| 07:19.08 | Bounty | I can sum up how I think in the following |
| 07:19.12 | Stewox | and a good place to start looking is here www.thepeoplesvoice.tv/watchnow |
| 07:19.19 | G0A | looking into the dark for long can cause hallucinations... (an interesting fact) |
| 07:20.08 | DeadZergling | why discuss things and be confused |
| 07:20.17 | DeadZergling | when you can discuss texture select by ID and confuse me instead |
| 07:20.19 | miushock | but.. why everyone believes that us economy got destroyed? |
| 07:20.34 | JademusSreg | Already did Deadz. =D |
| 07:20.35 | Bounty | Just today, I read an article about how Nasa received a message from an extraterrestrial civilization from another Galaxy that was basically an SOS signal asking for them because they were destroying themselves. I later traced this story to the sources that it basically became 99% chance of being full of shit. |
| 07:20.40 | G0A | DeadZergling what you want to know about texture select? |
| 07:20.59 | Bounty | I think that while that story is full of shit, it is worthy of thinking about |
| 07:21.03 | Stewox | well ... maybe if you look the value of US dollar muishock http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/images/usapower.jpg |
| 07:21.13 | Bounty | Because that is exactly how WE think |
| 07:21.17 | DeadZergling | last did it like a year ago, I didn't really get it then either, managed to change the zealot hair, and could never get another model to do it |
| 07:21.36 | G0A | Bounty that sounded like a nice scifi short |
| 07:22.00 | miushock | i don't think this means much |
| 07:22.03 | G0A | "jesus-is-savior.com" :DDDD |
| 07:22.06 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 07:22.07 | miushock | like... |
| 07:22.15 | miushock | it's just a description of one dollar purchasing power |
| 07:22.27 | miushock | not to mention how exactly purchasing power of a dollar is messured |
| 07:22.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:22.31 | miushock | measured* |
| 07:22.36 | Bounty | Does it make sense at all though G0A? |
| 07:22.44 | Bounty | The news story is full of shit |
| 07:22.47 | Bounty | But if you think about it |
| 07:22.52 | Bounty | It says a lot about us |
| 07:22.52 | miushock | just one fact is that you're earning more dollars than people in 30s |
| 07:23.00 | Bounty | We know we need help |
| 07:23.14 | miushock | it's just common inflation |
| 07:23.19 | Stewox | common ? |
| 07:23.42 | Stewox | inflation and debt didn't exist like we have today |
| 07:23.49 | miushock | well us has been managing inflation rate very well through out this chart |
| 07:24.05 | miushock | only major wars can break the pace abit |
| 07:24.44 | miushock | debt is another problem |
| 07:24.47 | G0A | Stewox seems like you found a guy who can be converted! |
| 07:24.49 | Stewox | it's not that simple, one thing is the FED, the other things are financial laws which have turned all regulations off for the banking cartel, banks and stocks have transformed into giant casinos |
| 07:25.32 | G0A | Bounty does it make sense that a whole galaxy destroying itself? (nope it doesnt) |
| 07:25.54 | miushock | regulating banks is a lesson we shall learn from most recent crisis |
| 07:26.06 | Stewox | the whole financial sectors can simply have these elaborate ways of rigging the markets and frauding countries |
| 07:26.10 | miushock | but that doesn't mean economic system is gone |
| 07:26.27 | Stewox | ahah muishock, this lesson was known already on 1776 :) |
| 07:26.47 | G0A | pff |
| 07:26.59 | miushock | well you get dropped in sc2 game twice doesn't mean you didn't learn from first one |
| 07:27.07 | Stewox | in 1913 when the FED was established, the right to print currenty was transferred from the US Tresury, to a private corporation |
| 07:27.21 | Bounty | The message was from a different Galaxy but it was from a single planet |
| 07:27.28 | Stewox | currency* |
| 07:27.30 | miushock | the second just came in a direction you didn't expect or whatever reason |
| 07:27.35 | Bounty | Ironically it was proposed this planet was not much more advanced than us |
| 07:27.53 | Stewox | well, the masses didn't expect it, the bankers knew what they were doing |
| 07:28.22 | miushock | ok let's start from somewhere solid |
| 07:28.27 | Bounty | make sense now G0A? |
| 07:28.45 | Bounty | I agree it would be retarded to suggest a galaxy destroying itself lol |
| 07:28.49 | Bounty | That would be the most epic of fails |
| 07:28.52 | Bounty | >.< |
| 07:28.56 | miushock | like.. |
| 07:29.17 | miushock | what do you think about us economy right now |
| 07:29.28 | miushock | be more descriptive tho |
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| 07:29.32 | Stewox | muishock, you seem reasonable, but it's actually some history you need to know, a great film it will explain in short what happened in US history, banking is a very old thing and it's the ROOT CAUSE of almost everything http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGk5ioEXlIM |
| 07:29.51 | Stewox | i link it because it's easier, than I would explain in chat |
| 07:30.13 | Stewox | I don't want to be inaccurate in my fast typing as well, so it's just best to watch |
| 07:30.25 | Bounty | God damnit Stewox |
| 07:30.32 | Bounty | Really dude? |
| 07:30.42 | JademusSreg | Don't worry, eventually you'll /ignore Stewox like most people. |
| 07:30.43 | Stewox | that movie is the easiet thing i can think of right now.... |
| 07:30.57 | Bounty | When I was a hardcore conspiracy dude I would not link people to 30 minute long cartoons |
| 07:31.07 | Bounty | I would link them to Loose Change |
| 07:31.17 | Bounty | You can do better than that |
| 07:31.24 | Stewox | well even that is not hardcore at all |
| 07:31.40 | Stewox | so, hello, you just met a more hardcore person :p |
| 07:31.48 | Stewox | and I'm not even as hardcore as it gets |
| 07:32.08 | Bounty | Let's not turn the conspiracy theorist scene into some sort of emo hipster |
| 07:32.28 | Bounty | I BELIEVED 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB BEFORE 9/11!! |
| 07:32.36 | Bounty | Get at me |
| 07:32.49 | Stewox | if you want hardcore you should watch this bounty https://vimeo.com/57923364 |
| 07:33.06 | Bounty | I've done my research |
| 07:33.12 | Bounty | and I have my conclusion |
| 07:33.29 | Bounty | simple as that |
| 07:33.31 | Stewox | there is no conclusion in loose change, it's a very old film |
| 07:33.33 | Bounty | nothing new you can show me |
| 07:33.37 | Stewox | no it's not, you're wrong |
| 07:33.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:34.03 | Stewox | you will not advance, because of your mindset, so you will be left behind, now that is simple |
| 07:34.13 | Bounty | You know, at least when I was a hardcore conspiracy theorist I was much more neutral |
| 07:34.14 | Bounty | Like |
| 07:34.24 | Bounty | "You should watch this, and make up your own mind" |
| 07:34.32 | Bounty | This new wave is much more aggressive |
| 07:34.39 | Bounty | sad |
| 07:35.03 | G0A | Bounty so we can destroy a whole galaxy, that sounds awesome. Btw the nearest galaxy andromeda is about 2.5 million light years from here, so they probably already did it:) |
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| 07:35.22 | Bounty | That was the major flaw in the articale G0A |
| 07:35.24 | Stewox | truth has no sides and no opinions |
| 07:35.36 | Bounty | they claimed the message took 80.000 years to get here |
| 07:35.42 | Bounty | and it came from beyond Andromeda |
| 07:35.45 | Bounty | so... |
| 07:35.50 | G0A | Stewox did you watch this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zszxeoa94g0 |
| 07:35.53 | Bounty | basic math |
| 07:35.55 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:36.19 | G0A | Didnt know Nasa discovered faster then light speed.D |
| 07:36.20 | Bounty | and all i was saying G0A is that while the article is full of shit it does say a lot about us as a species |
| 07:36.46 | DeadZergling | all right, so made a texture, picked the one I wanted, set the slot to main.diffuse |
| 07:36.50 | DeadZergling | Now I'm lost again :P |
| 07:37.01 | miushock | god i cant watch that video for more than 5min.... |
| 07:37.18 | JademusSreg | What's the asset textures and what's the prefix string and substring? |
| 07:37.25 | G0A | yeah I give 50% chance that we will destroy ourself thats why having speed of light limit is so nice, we cant destroy everything else too before we come turns with ourself. |
| 07:38.05 | DeadZergling | dunno where to look to do such magic! |
| 07:38.08 | Bounty | I don't believe in the speed of light limit |
| 07:38.10 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:38.14 | G0A | DeadZergling do you know the original texture's name? |
| 07:38.16 | Bounty | but thats me |
| 07:38.31 | Bounty | I think it is insanely arrogant of us to put a limit on anything in the universe |
| 07:38.43 | Bounty | like we know |
| 07:38.48 | G0A | I think its arrogant in the other way |
| 07:38.56 | Stewox | which one muischock ? |
| 07:39.02 | G0A | we just put limit for these universe, you know... |
| 07:39.09 | G0A | this* |
| 07:39.10 | DeadZergling | kind of, it has 3 different textures |
| 07:39.15 | Bounty | So you're a multiverse guy? |
| 07:39.16 | Stewox | which one muishock |
| 07:39.29 | DeadZergling | Potion_d.dds, Potion_g.dds, and Potion_n.dds |
| 07:39.41 | G0A | Bounty probably the only thing that I am believing in:) |
| 07:39.54 | Bounty | For the record, I am also a multiverse guy |
| 07:40.03 | JademusSreg | Deadz, are those the textures on the asset? |
| 07:40.09 | DeadZergling | i edited Potion_d.dds and saved it as Potion_d2.dds and imported that as well as that is where the colors are at |
| 07:40.27 | G0A | It just feels much more logic answer for wave collapse than any other theory.... |
| 07:40.29 | DeadZergling | not sure |
| 07:40.34 | Bounty | I don't think we could possibly use a system to describe the universe which we ironically describe as everything |
| 07:40.38 | Bounty | Case and point |
| 07:40.42 | Bounty | We have physics |
| 07:40.59 | Bounty | and we have quantum physics |
| 07:41.02 | Bounty | to ME |
| 07:41.08 | Bounty | that discredits both |
| 07:41.19 | G0A | ? |
| 07:41.59 | Bounty | what? |
| 07:42.03 | DeadZergling | I'm looking at it on the cutscene editor |
| 07:42.07 | Bounty | I take it that makes no sense? |
| 07:42.12 | DeadZergling | shows all sorts of crap, nothing titled Texture though |
| 07:42.12 | G0A | what discredits both? |
| 07:42.19 | G0A | yeah |
| 07:42.53 | Bounty | The fact we have a totally separate law of physics for something that did not match our initial laws of physics. |
| 07:43.03 | JademusSreg | Deadz, wat? |
| 07:43.15 | DeadZergling | trying to find the texture, having no luck... |
| 07:43.20 | miushock | bounty u're probably going too far |
| 07:43.29 | Bounty | Am I? |
| 07:43.45 | miushock | well |
| 07:43.46 | Bounty | We claim physics governs the laws of the universe... EXCEPT at the quantum level |
| 07:43.48 | Bounty | really? |
| 07:43.51 | Stewox | which video you can't watch miushock ? |
| 07:43.53 | Bounty | Like is this a joke? |
| 07:43.54 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:44.01 | miushock | what is wave-particle duality to you? |
| 07:44.12 | G0A | Bounty yeah, our initial laws of physics was based on our limited perception but that doesnt means there cant be an unified theory.... |
| 07:44.24 | miushock | the video you linked to me stewox >_< |
| 07:44.27 | Bounty | I dont even know what that means miushock |
| 07:44.30 | Bounty | I won't claim to know |
| 07:44.32 | Stewox | the cartoon? |
| 07:44.49 | Bounty | I am a fan of physics but I know very little compared to most |
| 07:44.56 | Stewox | well i can't find the other films about US banking history, i would need to search the youtube deeper |
| 07:44.56 | miushock | yeah... well let's talk about physics for now |
| 07:45.03 | G0A | Bounty you watched too many crapy tv shows on Q physics.... |
| 07:45.07 | miushock | leave finance abit later |
| 07:45.31 | Bounty | Ok, lets talk about physics |
| 07:45.33 | Bounty | I'm dow |
| 07:45.35 | Bounty | down* |
| 07:45.51 | DeadZergling | i have 3 different models which use the same 3 textures, but I know the D one is special, it holds the 3 different colors |
| 07:45.52 | Bounty | I am a lightweight but this is of much more interest to me than communism and capitalism honestly |
| 07:45.55 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:46.03 | DeadZergling | well, same 3 dds files |
| 07:46.08 | miushock | the basic idea of science is to make theory/prediction and prove/disprove them by fact |
| 07:46.19 | G0A | our physic laws is just simplification of Q physics in a huge scaled system.... |
| 07:46.22 | miushock | so you can start off somewhere rational when you try to understand or change the world |
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| 07:46.33 | G0A | I mean our classical physics... |
| 07:46.57 | Bounty | For the record |
| 07:47.03 | Bounty | I think in terms of science |
| 07:47.11 | Bounty | I tend to have a different way of looking at things |
| 07:47.14 | JademusSreg | Deadz, all one needs is the name of the textures used by the model asset and the texture declares prefix and adaption substrings. |
| 07:47.14 | miushock | by the 17th century we have classic physics |
| 07:47.16 | Stewox | but how do you know if you know all about physics ? |
| 07:47.20 | Bounty | actually, I think thats how I am with everything |
| 07:47.29 | Bounty | I am not sure... |
| 07:47.31 | Stewox | how do you know when you reach the end ? |
| 07:47.47 | Bounty | Like for example |
| 07:47.51 | Bounty | Perpetual Motion |
| 07:47.56 | miushock | and people have been debating light is wave or particle since then |
| 07:47.58 | Bounty | I think it is possible |
| 07:48.03 | Bounty | or at the very least |
| 07:48.16 | Bounty | getting more energy out of something than you put in |
| 07:48.33 | DeadZergling | Potion_d.dds, Potion_g.dds, and Potion_n.dds are all used, I want to change Potion_d.dds to Potion_d2.dds |
| 07:48.35 | G0A | DeadZergling you can get the name of the textures, by right clicking on the model name in the left down corner in the cutscene editor and choosing show model data then pick texture in the materials folder.... |
| 07:48.47 | miushock | bounty you believed that we currently have one set of physics laws for macro world and another set for micro world and they have nothing to do with eachother |
| 07:49.10 | miushock | that's not true right now, but that was somewhat true in the history |
| 07:49.35 | miushock | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet_catastrophe |
| 07:50.15 | miushock | the link describes a famous event in physics history |
| 07:50.29 | DeadZergling | yea, materials is what i was looking at, is a bit confusing though |
| 07:50.57 | miushock | which can help you understand what human have been through on approaching the 'reality' of the world |
| 07:51.04 | G0A | Bounty there is no such thing of "free energy" just think of that everything has to have an cause... (cause and effect relation...) |
| 07:51.19 | DeadZergling | http://ctrlv.in/264113 |
| 07:51.24 | DeadZergling | is what im seeing |
| 07:52.04 | miushock | well the 'cause-effect' model is called reductionism more formally |
| 07:52.06 | G0A | Potion_d should be working then |
| 07:52.16 | G0A | though maybe _ might mess it |
| 07:52.48 | miushock | which believed the world is mechanical and every thing happened and happening is pre determined by corresponding causes |
| 07:53.04 | JademusSreg | False vacuum collpase is a much more frightening and more interesting catastrophe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_the_universe#False_vacuum |
| 07:53.04 | G0A | miushock you better not be formal here.... |
| 07:53.16 | miushock | like.. what i'm thinking, typing is decided |
| 07:53.50 | G0A | miushock and I wasnt using cause and effect for reductionism! |
| 07:54.13 | G0A | or for not information reductionism.... |
| 07:55.29 | JademusSreg | Anyway, materials have the textures. Diffuse, Specular, et cetera. |
| 07:55.39 | miushock | well if the universe well actually collapse there's nothing to do with us |
| 07:55.40 | JademusSreg | Paste the xml for the model data entry. |
| 07:55.50 | miushock | because time itself will collapse too |
| 07:56.18 | G0A | JademusSreg dam you, you know quantum vacuum fluctuation isnt free energy too... |
| 07:56.27 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 07:56.32 | Stewox | what about this event , not so well known https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Experiment |
| 07:56.37 | DeadZergling | yea, im at the models tab of http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/20772-data-actor-events-message-texture-select-by-id/#posts, being confused, lol |
| 07:57.53 | miushock | it is 'hoax' as described stewox |
| 07:58.13 | Stewox | you think I take wikipedia seriously ? |
| 07:58.17 | miushock | just like ufo and alience |
| 07:58.19 | Stewox | at all |
| 07:58.32 | miushock | alian >_< |
| 07:58.35 | G0A | Stewox thats almost as good as Bounty's universe story. |
| 07:59.35 | JademusSreg | Goa, double/accelerating mirror experiments are enough to demonstrate that the virtual particles which emerge from vacuum fluctuations come at a cost, so to speak. Also a mechanism in Hawking Radiation, so yeah, haha. |
| 07:59.49 | G0A | Since then the US government uses cloaked agents to anally probe their citizens. |
| 08:00.03 | Stewox | wikipedia is only a source of totally non-controversial material , general stuff |
| 08:00.30 | miushock | conspiracy theories always more attractive to you no? |
| 08:00.42 | JademusSreg | Deadz, paste the xml you've got so far. |
| 08:01.06 | Stewox | okay miushock, you want to see some physics ? |
| 08:01.22 | Stewox | do you know about Hutchingson Effect ? |
| 08:01.45 | miushock | DZ the previewer is something removed for sc2 editor |
| 08:02.01 | miushock | they claim that cutscene editor can replace previewer |
| 08:02.49 | Stewox | demo: http://youtu.be/6wJYce3I8OE?t=5m36s |
| 08:03.52 | JademusSreg | Beware the ever-present threat of dihydrogen monoxide, hahaha. http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html |
| 08:04.08 | ArcanePariah | Oh JademusSreg, my attempts to use User Types with data refereneces is hitting a roadblock. Namely that the text only uses defined value in the data editor, regardless of what I change that instance value to |
| 08:04.50 | ArcanePariah | I am currently using the set user data functions, however I suspect I need to do catalog writes for this to be effective |
| 08:04.54 | JademusSreg | Arc, care to paste the relevant information? =D |
| 08:05.15 | miushock | ..... |
| 08:05.19 | Stewox | Jademussreg: http://youtu.be/bzslQYeesKY?t=1m |
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| 08:05.35 | miushock | stewox i don't know what to say... |
| 08:05.49 | Stewox | about what ? |
| 08:05.51 | miushock | maybe you can take this video to someone you trust around you? |
| 08:06.12 | miushock | like... a real person you know that has a physics degree or something? |
| 08:06.25 | G0A | ohhhh it levitates omg physics.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqKeiiezqzc |
| 08:06.58 | ArcanePariah | Here is the User Data object I have defined |
| 08:07.00 | ArcanePariah | https://pastee.org/y4h4h |
| 08:07.10 | Stewox | what are you talking about miushock i posted 3 links since i last talked to you |
| 08:07.22 | Stewox | explain |
| 08:07.26 | DeadZergling | well that's the problem Jade, I'm not sure what to even attempt to put into the model texture declarations |
| 08:07.29 | Stewox | i froget |
| 08:08.13 | JademusSreg | Prefix is a value that will patch a texture name. In this case, Potion or Potion_ would be convenient. |
| 08:08.24 | JademusSreg | Substring could be d |
| 08:08.28 | G0A | Stewox you know by showing people ignorant you discredit the whole Illuminati movement. Aka you dont need secret societies to rule ignorant people.... you can do it openly and even retards can do it.... |
| 08:08.35 | miushock | i mean... i really want to tell you that this Hutchison guy is not a real scientist, but i'm worried that you wont trust me |
| 08:09.03 | ArcanePariah | Here is the trigger where I alter the user data |
| 08:09.04 | ArcanePariah | https://pastee.org/wjh7y |
| 08:09.11 | Stewox | what is a "real scientis" |
| 08:09.32 | G0A | Stewox people that prove their claims... |
| 08:09.38 | miushock | do you mind share me some of your background so i can organize my world better? |
| 08:09.40 | JademusSreg | And where is the text raw value? Wanna see the markup. |
| 08:09.55 | miushock | word* |
| 08:10.07 | Stewox | Huchingson recreated what was already developed from Telsas work |
| 08:10.17 | G0A | Tesla? |
| 08:10.18 | ArcanePariah | And this is the function where I attempt to set the label text to use it |
| 08:10.19 | ArcanePariah | https://pastee.org/4x236 |
| 08:11.19 | Stewox | it's unoficially called Directed Energy Weapon or DEW and it doesn't produce ionizing radiation, it's some kind of nuclear process tho, it de-bonds structure of certain elements especially metals |
| 08:11.31 | Stewox | you've all seen it in action |
| 08:11.36 | Stewox | 9/11 |
| 08:11.48 | Stewox | turns metal to dust |
| 08:12.01 | Stewox | that's physics :) |
| 08:12.03 | JademusSreg | Just need the text for the externalize strings and I'll have a complete mental model. =D |
| 08:12.26 | ArcanePariah | ANd this is the orignal text value of the variable XPText |
| 08:12.29 | ArcanePariah | <d ref="User,PlayerStartingData,Instances[1].Int[4].Int" precision="8"/> |
| 08:12.33 | miushock | it's really not physics.. it's hoax... |
| 08:12.36 | ArcanePariah | https://pastee.org/79cwf |
| 08:12.45 | Stewox | what hoax |
| 08:13.07 | miushock | ok... repeat what he did on the video and see if you can get same result yourself |
| 08:13.12 | miushock | if you really believe it with your heart |
| 08:13.42 | ArcanePariah | The text replace currently does nothing, I replace some text with identical text |
| 08:13.43 | DeadZergling | (on a much smaller scale...) |
| 08:14.15 | ArcanePariah | When I do a debug, it dumps the raw text, unparsed |
| 08:14.32 | Stewox | you try to question impirical evidence miushock ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFmgIXPmNnA |
| 08:14.57 | ArcanePariah | Also when I debug what the user data has, the user data has the correct value |
| 08:15.09 | ArcanePariah | But for w/e reason it is not reflected in the label text |
| 08:15.57 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 08:16.19 | DeadZergling | sigh, not getting this at all, linking a few pics, lol |
| 08:16.35 | miushock | sry i dont see any connection between 911 and hutchison |
| 08:16.42 | Stewox | different angle miushock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4 |
| 08:17.03 | DeadZergling | http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=537mvp&s=5#.Upb3d8TWagQ is what he used for the zealot hair, I'm trying to do something similar with http://ctrlv.in/264113 to work with |
| 08:17.04 | Stewox | you don't see it because there's a ton of stuff you don't know |
| 08:17.25 | Stewox | if you really want to, you can learn it |
| 08:17.32 | miushock | ....... |
| 08:17.35 | JademusSreg | Should display the fifth element in the instance, but it's not entirely clear which element should be the fifth, but I expect Games Played to be the fifth element referenced by Int[4] |
| 08:17.43 | miushock | jade i'm so sorry i didn't listen to you |
| 08:17.53 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 08:18.36 | ArcanePariah | 5th element is current XP |
| 08:19.03 | ArcanePariah | I also tried altering the code to display the 2nd instance and set the 2nd instance value to something else, and it displayed that fine |
| 08:19.21 | ArcanePariah | Also, using the ingame UI editor, the triggerlabel text is as follows |
| 08:19.23 | ArcanePariah | <d ref="User,PlayerStartingData,Instances[1].Int[4].Int" precision="8"/> |
| 08:19.46 | JademusSreg | Strange. Figured it would use the structure of the type, but instead it's resorted. |
| 08:20.07 | ArcanePariah | Is it possible it can not self update from User Data or trigger dialog controls can use user references? |
| 08:20.14 | ArcanePariah | can not use* |
| 08:20.35 | JademusSreg | Can't imagine why that would be the case. |
| 08:21.12 | ArcanePariah | Let me see what happens when I use direct catalog writes for the User Data |
| 08:22.49 | G0A | miushock Now you understand that we have alien overlords? |
| 08:22.58 | DeadZergling | Like somehow in http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=537mvp&s=5#.Upb9GsTWayp, he knows to use main and hair, how on earth does he know that |
| 08:23.19 | JademusSreg | They are arbitrary and preset. |
| 08:24.07 | DeadZergling | so could pick whatever the hell I want? |
| 08:24.39 | JademusSreg | There is a predefined list of valid slots (invalid slots are stripped out), but it doesn't matter which you choose, so long as it matches the slot of the texture data entry. |
| 08:25.41 | DeadZergling | well, http://ctrlv.in/264113 isn't telling me what my slots are |
| 08:26.16 | JademusSreg | Nope, because the editor tends to suck. |
| 08:26.43 | JademusSreg | Just use main.diffuse main.specular main.emissive and main.normal (iirc those are valid). |
| 08:30.13 | DeadZergling | well here is what I got so far: http://tny.cz/fe04a2d7 |
| 08:30.22 | DeadZergling | in all it's bleh ugliness |
| 08:30.37 | ArcanePariah | welp catalog writes fail, access denied error is thrown |
| 08:30.55 | JademusSreg | Trigger on substring values are all wrong. |
| 08:31.34 | JademusSreg | Set them to whatever silly values the asset has after Potion_ |
| 08:31.45 | JademusSreg | Such as "_d" |
| 08:33.05 | DeadZergling | thought you wanted me to use diffuse, specular, emissive, normal? |
| 08:34.14 | JademusSreg | Prefix TriggerOnSubstring Slot |
| 08:34.29 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so.... I flat out hardcoded the text reference and it still only uses what is predefined in the data editor... |
| 08:34.31 | JademusSreg | These are fields. |
| 08:35.51 | JademusSreg | Arc, which value is that? |
| 08:36.02 | JademusSreg | Displaying 1 or 0? |
| 08:36.10 | ArcanePariah | It displays a 1 |
| 08:36.29 | JademusSreg | Is there an instance for each player? |
| 08:36.55 | DeadZergling | tried again, http://tny.cz/072ab4ed |
| 08:37.23 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 08:37.30 | JademusSreg | Deadz, have you created the texture data entries? |
| 08:37.56 | DeadZergling | created a texture data entry, shown in my last text paste |
| 08:38.17 | DeadZergling | is at the bottom of that one |
| 08:38.36 | JademusSreg | I only see Model data. |
| 08:39.08 | DeadZergling | to be more specific, http://tny.cz/fe04a2d7 |
| 08:39.14 | DeadZergling | the other one, lol |
| 08:40.09 | JademusSreg | Alright. Got the actor events configured? |
| 08:40.26 | DeadZergling | no, was my understanding this part had to be perfect first |
| 08:40.47 | DeadZergling | opening actor events now |
| 08:42.36 | DeadZergling | well I know I'm supposed to go ActorCreation event, then TextureSelectByID, not clear what to do after that though |
| 08:43.07 | DeadZergling | use that new texture? |
| 08:43.23 | JademusSreg | Pretty much what the dragon demonstrates, yeah. |
| 08:44.30 | DeadZergling | the dragon had several more textures than I did.... |
| 08:44.43 | DeadZergling | oh well, off to make a sphere probably |
| 08:45.24 | Bounty | pew |
| 08:45.29 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 08:45.51 | Bounty | holy shit its almost 4 am.... wtf |
| 08:45.53 | JademusSreg | Arc, I see the issue. |
| 08:48.50 | G0A | holy shit its almost 10:00 |
| 08:49.29 | Bounty | Why you mocking me brah? |
| 08:50.43 | DeadZergling | Map is complaining, no new texture, No mapping for main slot diffuse |
| 08:51.36 | JademusSreg | Arc, it's compiling the user data instance values to a different structure. Which sucks, because that invalidates the approach. |
| 08:51.44 | DeadZergling | i tried substring of _d and d, to try both |
| 08:51.52 | DeadZergling | same result |
| 08:51.57 | JademusSreg | The editor or the client? |
| 08:52.17 | JademusSreg | And what are the actor events? |
| 08:53.08 | ArcanePariah | :( |
| 08:53.14 | ArcanePariah | Oh well, worth a try |
| 08:53.49 | DeadZergling | Actor events are what is in http://tny.cz/fe04a2d7, + an Actor Creation:Texture Select By ID NewBottle Texture |
| 08:54.12 | DeadZergling | client, when I try to makeunit the unit |
| 08:55.58 | JademusSreg | Er, why isn't it actually in the actor data? Rather defeats the point of posting it. |
| 08:56.18 | DeadZergling | it is in the actor events |
| 08:56.34 | DeadZergling | is there somewhere else in the actor it needs to be in? |
| 08:56.50 | Bounty | What are you trying to do Deadzergling? |
| 08:57.13 | DeadZergling | texture select by ID, mostly succeeding in having a head ache though |
| 08:57.40 | JademusSreg | And since the texture substrings in the model are wrong, this is just a relink of the old data because you couldn't manage to copy and paste the xml again? |
| 08:57.41 | Bounty | More specifically |
| 08:57.54 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 08:58.11 | Bounty | I might actually be able to assist here lol |
| 08:58.34 | DeadZergling | got a model that uses these textures: http://ctrlv.in/264113 |
| 08:58.44 | DeadZergling | I want to replace potion_d.dds with potion_d2.dds |
| 08:59.22 | Bounty | try this |
| 08:59.25 | Bounty | go to the model |
| 08:59.33 | Bounty | under texture declarations |
| 09:00.14 | Bounty | add those slots |
| 09:00.42 | DeadZergling | those slots being? |
| 09:02.17 | Bounty | ko |
| 09:02.19 | Bounty | ok* |
| 09:02.36 | Bounty | Texture declarations |
| 09:02.38 | DeadZergling | saw a mike tyson's punch out mario run across the screen there for a second |
| 09:02.44 | DeadZergling | right, I'm there |
| 09:03.09 | Bounty | add an index for the top portion |
| 09:03.21 | DeadZergling | done |
| 09:03.31 | Bounty | then add one for the bottom, then it should give you all the options |
| 09:03.48 | Bounty | if you highlight it, right? |
| 09:04.13 | DeadZergling | right, they are all up, empty/default, but up |
| 09:04.24 | Bounty | ok |
| 09:05.14 | Bounty | so the texture have a _ in between right? |
| 09:05.19 | Bounty | in their names |
| 09:05.36 | DeadZergling | right, potion_n, potion_g, potion_d |
| 09:06.07 | Bounty | Trigger on substring would be _potion |
| 09:06.49 | Bounty | wait no |
| 09:06.54 | Bounty | prefix would be _potion |
| 09:06.56 | Bounty | my bad |
| 09:06.56 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:07.14 | Bounty | and then trigger on substring should be _n or _g |
| 09:07.37 | Bounty | I have never done this with multiples yet but you will most likely have to make one for each |
| 09:07.42 | Bounty | N, G and D |
| 09:07.42 | DeadZergling | not _d? that is the one I want to replace |
| 09:07.50 | Bounty | if thats the one |
| 09:07.51 | DeadZergling | I'm okay with the other ones |
| 09:07.52 | Bounty | thats all you need :) |
| 09:08.11 | DeadZergling | okay, and slot? |
| 09:08.18 | Bounty | eh |
| 09:08.21 | Bounty | main.diffuse? try that |
| 09:08.37 | DeadZergling | should i make 3 others for ocular, normal, etc? |
| 09:08.45 | Bounty | nah |
| 09:09.04 | Bounty | make the texture in the data editor and set it to that slot |
| 09:09.05 | DeadZergling | okay got all that thrown together, anything else, or try it? |
| 09:09.21 | Bounty | then set the actor message to be |
| 09:09.46 | Bounty | Actor Creation |
| 09:09.52 | Bounty | Timer Set 1.0000 |
| 09:09.54 | Bounty | then |
| 09:10.02 | Bounty | TimerExpired |
| 09:10.10 | Bounty | TextureSelectbyID (Your texture) |
| 09:10.16 | Bounty | This is just so you can view it in the editor |
| 09:10.55 | Bounty | After that, restart the editor and place it, should work. |
| 09:11.16 | Bounty | after 1 second of course. |
| 09:12.19 | DeadZergling | and unexpected fatal error occurred while trying to add the timer events, lol |
| 09:12.32 | Bounty | after restarting? |
| 09:12.51 | Bounty | Actor creation |
| 09:12.53 | Bounty | timer Set 1.00 |
| 09:13.00 | Bounty | Timer Expired |
| 09:13.06 | Bounty | Texture select etc? |
| 09:13.17 | DeadZergling | yea hang on, may have to redo a few things |
| 09:14.10 | Bounty | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/68108247/pew.png |
| 09:14.14 | Bounty | should look like that |
| 09:16.32 | DeadZergling | just so great to have the editor crash like that |
| 09:16.38 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:16.49 | DeadZergling | restarting it on purpose this time |
| 09:16.57 | Bounty | You don't have to do the whole timer thing if you can quickly view it in game |
| 09:17.02 | Bounty | after hitting test map |
| 09:17.16 | Bounty | Its just so you can view it in the editor immediately... after 1 second |
| 09:17.17 | Bounty | :) |
| 09:18.16 | Bounty | If this shit works its like a sign from Jesus. I quite literally just re learned how to do Texture Selection the other day. |
| 09:18.27 | Bounty | From a few people in here |
| 09:18.38 | DeadZergling | Color seems to be the same still |
| 09:18.56 | Bounty | is everything intact? |
| 09:19.03 | Bounty | its doing the texture swap |
| 09:19.22 | Bounty | with no errors etc.. |
| 09:19.40 | DeadZergling | maybe, running it in test map |
| 09:21.14 | DeadZergling | No mapping for slot main.diffuse error again |
| 09:21.23 | Bounty | no problem |
| 09:21.28 | Bounty | which one was it? |
| 09:21.29 | Bounty | H? |
| 09:21.30 | Bounty | or w/e |
| 09:21.39 | DeadZergling | why no, I want the D |
| 09:21.47 | DeadZergling | bad joke, I know... anyways |
| 09:22.16 | Bounty | swap the slots to |
| 09:22.51 | Bounty | main.emissive |
| 09:23.03 | DeadZergling | change in texture too? |
| 09:23.07 | Bounty | make sure you restart after setting it to the model and texture |
| 09:23.09 | Bounty | yeah |
| 09:23.41 | Bounty | post the error btw? just in case |
| 09:24.11 | DeadZergling | will if it shows again |
| 09:24.14 | DeadZergling | changed it all already |
| 09:24.15 | Bounty | kk |
| 09:24.22 | Bounty | restart brah |
| 09:24.25 | Bounty | fingers crossed |
| 09:24.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:24.45 | Bounty | They did not teach me how to do this with multiple textures on a model |
| 09:24.50 | Bounty | I assume its the same deal |
| 09:25.04 | Bounty | just split up for the texture you want to swap |
| 09:26.55 | DeadZergling | no error, but also no texture change |
| 09:27.29 | Bounty | stupid question but is the texture you want to replace it selected in the texture entry? lol |
| 09:27.43 | G0A | http://candybox2.net/ omg this game |
| 09:27.47 | DeadZergling | the texture I want to use is in the texture entry |
| 09:28.09 | Bounty | May I ask what the difference is between the two? |
| 09:28.27 | Bounty | Let me guess, you recolored it? |
| 09:28.31 | DeadZergling | one has different colors |
| 09:28.35 | Bounty | ok |
| 09:28.39 | DeadZergling | and I got rid of an ugly label he had on there too |
| 09:28.51 | Bounty | Put some wacky ass texture as the selected texture for the entry |
| 09:28.56 | Bounty | restart |
| 09:29.01 | Bounty | and see if it looks wacky |
| 09:29.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:29.08 | Bounty | Just to make sure its working |
| 09:29.10 | *** join/#sc2mapster duckies (50e88a7e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.232.138.126) |
| 09:29.13 | Bounty | and not your textue |
| 09:29.15 | Bounty | texture* |
| 09:29.38 | Bounty | wtf G0A |
| 09:31.11 | DeadZergling | wasn't able to find wackyasstexture, but some weird metal didn't show any change either |
| 09:34.41 | Bounty | not sure I understand what happened lol |
| 09:34.52 | Bounty | you set the new texture, restarted and then? |
| 09:35.13 | DeadZergling | no error, no new texture, nothing |
| 09:35.54 | Bounty | *takes a bite of egg salad wrap* hmmm |
| 09:36.10 | Bounty | no error |
| 09:36.42 | Bounty | I mean the only thing I can think of is making a texture declaration for each one |
| 09:36.46 | *** join/#sc2mapster Serashin (4ff35e9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.243.94.155) |
| 09:37.12 | DeadZergling | and by each one, do you mean each letter, or emissive, specular, normal? |
| 09:37.39 | Bounty | do you know which exact one is the one you want to replace? |
| 09:37.44 | Bounty | emissive etc |
| 09:37.51 | DeadZergling | sure don't! |
| 09:38.02 | Bounty | Because there are like 3 versions of each |
| 09:38.19 | Bounty | you know the letter though |
| 09:38.20 | Bounty | D |
| 09:39.09 | DeadZergling | right |
| 09:40.32 | Bounty | send me a pic of all of the values you set? |
| 09:40.42 | Bounty | for texture dec, texture and actor message |
| 09:42.08 | DeadZergling | http://ctrlv.in/264149 for texture dec |
| 09:42.28 | Bounty | use a diff view? |
| 09:42.33 | Bounty | The Bounty friendly view |
| 09:42.35 | EntityEnigma | im having trouble customizing a lurkers stats |
| 09:42.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:42.45 | DeadZergling | http://ctrlv.in/264150 for texture |
| 09:43.20 | Bounty | redo the texture dec? so that it pops up in that little noob friendly window |
| 09:43.34 | DeadZergling | http://ctrlv.in/264151 for events in actor |
| 09:43.55 | Bounty | same for actor events |
| 09:43.56 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:44.09 | Bounty | I can't read that shit :). I can only read the windows |
| 09:44.13 | EntityEnigma | for some reason the weapon doesnt want to link properly |
| 09:44.34 | EntityEnigma | and the action actor i created for it doenst have tokens |
| 09:44.48 | DeadZergling | http://ctrlv.in/264152 Texture dec again |
| 09:45.24 | DeadZergling | http://ctrlv.in/264153 actor events |
| 09:45.55 | Bounty | get rid of the last two |
| 09:46.00 | Bounty | you don't need to clarify the timer name |
| 09:46.25 | Bounty | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/68108247/pew.png |
| 09:46.42 | DeadZergling | yes, but it shouldn't hurt it either should it? |
| 09:46.58 | Bounty | who knows |
| 09:47.02 | Bounty | I was stuck for about 2 hours |
| 09:47.08 | Bounty | until someone said "restart the editor" |
| 09:47.11 | Bounty | then the shit worked |
| 09:47.13 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:48.28 | Bounty | for the prefix |
| 09:48.29 | Bounty | put |
| 09:48.33 | Bounty | potion_ |
| 09:48.45 | Bounty | basically just take the _ and put it at the end instead of the start |
| 09:48.49 | Bounty | that was my bad |
| 09:49.08 | Bounty | leave the trigger in substring as is |
| 09:49.11 | Bounty | but the prefix is wrong |
| 09:49.26 | Bounty | then... |
| 09:49.38 | Bounty | restart, cross your legs and fingers and bamf |
| 09:49.39 | DeadZergling | restart the editor again, lol |
| 09:49.42 | Bounty | should be good to go |
| 09:49.48 | Bounty | I am going to smoke |
| 09:49.53 | DeadZergling | cross my legs, too painful |
| 09:49.59 | Bounty | I hope I come back to you freaking out |
| 09:50.10 | Bounty | As I did when I got someone to help me figure this shit out |
| 09:50.14 | Bounty | >.< |
| 09:52.25 | DeadZergling | well for some reason unbeknownst to me, it worked that time |
| 09:53.17 | DeadZergling | now to restart the editor, again |
| 09:54.11 | Bounty | it worked? |
| 09:54.18 | Bounty | So I actually just helped someone? |
| 09:54.20 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:55.10 | DeadZergling | yep, and when I replaced it with the right texture |
| 09:55.28 | DeadZergling | it is now a yellow potion, instead of a red one |
| 09:55.42 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:55.56 | Bounty | what was the original color? |
| 09:56.51 | Bounty | or was that the intended color? |
| 09:56.59 | DeadZergling | red was the original |
| 09:57.11 | DeadZergling | is a little complicated, since he gets colors for 3 different modols from one texture |
| 09:57.13 | Bounty | yellow was intended? |
| 09:57.20 | DeadZergling | yep, yellow was intended |
| 09:57.25 | Bounty | sweet |
| 09:57.36 | DeadZergling | this was all Jade's idea really, he thought I should throw bottles of alcohol |
| 09:57.41 | Bounty | YO |
| 09:57.47 | DeadZergling | for my Jack Daniels Mage's abilities |
| 09:57.50 | Bounty | Adrian i did it! |
| 09:58.05 | DeadZergling | better hope you didn't |
| 09:58.07 | Bounty | honestly dude |
| 09:58.11 | DeadZergling | means a long trip in the hospital |
| 09:58.18 | DeadZergling | if we go off the movie |
| 09:58.22 | Bounty | Texture swapping opens up a shit load of doors |
| 09:58.58 | DeadZergling | yea, is much nicer than hoping tint doesn't completely buttfuck your model |
| 09:59.08 | DeadZergling | I have a good amount of experience working with gimp already too |
| 09:59.09 | Bounty | yeah |
| 09:59.19 | Bounty | you see mah galaxy? :) |
| 09:59.25 | DeadZergling | the video? |
| 09:59.29 | Bounty | yeah |
| 09:59.33 | Bounty | I take that as a yes |
| 09:59.37 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:59.50 | DeadZergling | yea I saw, you made it into a real arcade game I saw |
| 10:00.00 | DeadZergling | should be making movies, dude, not games, lol |
| 10:00.08 | Bounty | Yeah, just using the unit stun model |
| 10:00.10 | DeadZergling | you seem quite good at it |
| 10:00.12 | Bounty | That is what I'm told |
| 10:00.34 | DeadZergling | anyways, Thank you G0A, JademusSreg, and Bounty for the help in knowing what the fuck to do at all |
| 10:00.39 | Bounty | Problem is I'm good at making the scenes AFTER I hear the music |
| 10:00.43 | DeadZergling | that shit gives me headaches |
| 10:00.46 | Bounty | no problem dude |
| 10:00.56 | Bounty | 4 hours I spent with that shit |
| 10:01.06 | Bounty | 3 hours could have been prevented from just restarting the editor |
| 10:01.10 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:01.28 | DeadZergling | somehow, I had no problem making 5 whole abilities, 10 ranks each, that consist of 100 behaviors, nearly 300 validators, and 400 effects |
| 10:01.43 | DeadZergling | so they overwrite each other appropriately, lol |
| 10:01.49 | Bounty | Well, Texture Select by ID used to be much simpler |
| 10:01.59 | DeadZergling | but actors, models, bane to my existence |
| 10:02.03 | Bounty | You could send the actor message and it would just do it |
| 10:02.11 | Bounty | without all that other BS |
| 10:02.27 | Bounty | For future reference |
| 10:02.48 | Bounty | apparently the way it works is you just have to specify what texture you want replaced in the declarations |
| 10:03.05 | Bounty | the rest is common sense |
| 10:03.32 | DeadZergling | yea, ill be adding 2 to 5 more colors there |
| 10:03.32 | DeadZergling | so get some more practice in for sure |
| 10:03.52 | DeadZergling | spent an hour or two yesterday |
| 10:03.55 | Bounty | yeah, all you gotta do is make a new actor and texture |
| 10:03.57 | DeadZergling | researching alcohol colors |
| 10:04.01 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 10:04.06 | Bounty | I use the unit stun model for my galaxy |
| 10:04.18 | Bounty | just duplicated the actor like 5 times and make a texture for each actor |
| 10:04.32 | Bounty | I was unaware of yellow as alcoholic color |
| 10:04.43 | DeadZergling | yea, like honey mead |
| 10:04.44 | Bounty | JademusSreg is more of a drinker than I am though |
| 10:04.55 | DeadZergling | steel reserve can be yellow too |
| 10:05.15 | DeadZergling | some of them are blue, white, green as well |
| 10:05.26 | Bounty | No idea what that is, I tend to drink boxed wine, Four loko or those little bottles of vodka you buy at the counter |
| 10:05.39 | DeadZergling | i know the kind |
| 10:05.48 | DeadZergling | I only drink once a month at most |
| 10:05.50 | Bounty | although the pineapple four loko was yellow |
| 10:06.01 | Bounty | I drink for inspirational purposes |
| 10:06.01 | DeadZergling | prefer whiskey or bourbon |
| 10:06.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:06.27 | Bounty | I try to avoid getting shit face or I end up coming in here preaching about communism before I even say hello :) |
| 10:06.46 | DeadZergling | well, you can get away with it more now |
| 10:06.55 | DeadZergling | with certain other 'preachy' people in the channel |
| 10:07.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:07.36 | Bounty | That is setting the bar a tad bit high for what is acceptable haha |
| 10:08.07 | Bounty | May as well come in here everyday talking about chemtrails. |
| 10:08.14 | DeadZergling | by the way bounty, check this out http://ctrlv.in/264163 |
| 10:08.21 | DeadZergling | my idea of keeping an ability simple... |
| 10:08.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:08.31 | Bounty | wow |
| 10:08.44 | Bounty | No idea what I'm looking at |
| 10:08.50 | DeadZergling | power tap ability |
| 10:09.02 | Bounty | Never seen that menu in the editor |
| 10:09.07 | DeadZergling | basically, it grants the caster 11-20 % boost in attack speed, all damage types |
| 10:09.19 | *** join/#sc2mapster ezbeats (ae3d92b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.61.146.180) |
| 10:09.30 | ezbeats | hi sc2mapster |
| 10:09.35 | DeadZergling | stealing that much from the target |
| 10:10.01 | DeadZergling | however it has to check if hurricane buff is present, so as to overwrite weaker versions, not overwrite stronger, same for scorpion sting debuff |
| 10:10.02 | Bounty | stealing the same % granted to attack speed? |
| 10:10.06 | DeadZergling | right |
| 10:10.14 | Bounty | god damnit |
| 10:10.16 | DeadZergling | so it got a little complicated |
| 10:10.18 | Bounty | triggers bro |
| 10:10.19 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:10.26 | Bounty | thats like 5 minutes |
| 10:10.27 | Bounty | :) |
| 10:10.43 | DeadZergling | naw, not for what I'm trying to do |
| 10:10.52 | Bounty | I'm probably wrong. I think JademusSreg put it best. |
| 10:10.59 | Bounty | "Bounty finds a way" |
| 10:11.09 | Bounty | Even though I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing |
| 10:11.21 | Bounty | Chances are, you're right |
| 10:11.36 | DeadZergling | Jade pointed out a much easier approach |
| 10:11.42 | DeadZergling | but I had to pass it up |
| 10:11.58 | DeadZergling | reason being, it is important to me to be able to display rank to the player |
| 10:12.04 | DeadZergling | on their buff display menu |
| 10:12.05 | Bounty | I find that hard to believe. In the sense that Jade offered a more simple solution. |
| 10:12.33 | DeadZergling | is very mmo, but i don't care, I'm used to having a buff bar |
| 10:12.38 | DeadZergling | where I can click buffs off and shit, lol |
| 10:12.48 | Bounty | Ah |
| 10:12.51 | Bounty | I see |
| 10:13.02 | ezbeats | hi, ive been on the forum since beta, here and ther, and am gracious to be a part of the community. i do have a map that is in alpha version, but as ive stopped 'creating' and am now blancing (though there is still some stuff to create) i am looking for someone to join forces and build this idea. the map is ready toshow, if you can mod any aspect of maps and are opento taking a look to possibly giving your expertiese, let me k |
| 10:13.02 | DeadZergling | is an important feature to me |
| 10:13.10 | Bounty | I can think of many ways to do that via triggers but it would most likely end up comparable to what you showed me |
| 10:13.38 | Bounty | I would suggest you pitch that during more reasonable hours ezbeats |
| 10:13.46 | Bounty | 5 am my time |
| 10:13.57 | Bounty | Most people are sleeping atm |
| 10:14.01 | ezbeats | bouny is that a priv message? |
| 10:14.07 | ezbeats | no worries |
| 10:14.12 | Bounty | nope, I said that shit a loud |
| 10:14.13 | DeadZergling | well yea, but is always many ways to approach a problem |
| 10:14.14 | ezbeats | if i was that worried i put something on the forum |
| 10:14.30 | ezbeats | im just putting it out here because i am... i dunno... :) |
| 10:14.44 | DeadZergling | my use of data/trigger hybrids, the sheer volume I do of it, is a little disturbing |
| 10:14.45 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 10:15.06 | Bounty | I only used data for things that are more bnet efficient |
| 10:15.10 | DeadZergling | do you have a video ez? |
| 10:15.19 | ezbeats | no vid |
| 10:15.26 | ezbeats | my map is online right now |
| 10:15.26 | DeadZergling | I'd recommend getting one |
| 10:15.26 | kingTD | ezbeats lets go! |
| 10:15.29 | ezbeats | takes 5 mins |
| 10:15.29 | Bounty | Sounds and animations cause a lot of lag online if done through triggers |
| 10:15.41 | ezbeats | kingtd |
| 10:15.43 | ezbeats | ? |
| 10:15.48 | Bounty | Not sure why, but thats how it is |
| 10:15.48 | ezbeats | you wanna check it out? |
| 10:15.51 | kingTD | a king of td :P |
| 10:15.54 | ezbeats | its like hunger games |
| 10:16.02 | ezbeats | only with way more options and polish |
| 10:16.11 | DeadZergling | yea, my game isn't going to be made or broken in the bnet lag |
| 10:16.11 | Bounty | Options? |
| 10:16.16 | DeadZergling | so I can get away with hybrids |
| 10:16.19 | Bounty | Kill bitches |
| 10:16.26 | Bounty | thats the hunger games lol |
| 10:16.46 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 10:16.56 | kingTD | or destroy pussys! |
| 10:17.01 | Bounty | I'm more picky with that stuff because everything I ever make for bnet goes against what bnet was made for |
| 10:17.05 | DeadZergling | and in some cases, I couldn't think of a reasonable way around it |
| 10:17.18 | ezbeats | i edited abathur to make him say what i wanted |
| 10:17.28 | DeadZergling | a prime example is my necromancer class |
| 10:17.29 | ezbeats | does that entice anyone? |
| 10:17.31 | ezbeats | :/ |
| 10:17.41 | DeadZergling | he has 2 ghost summon abilities |
| 10:17.47 | DeadZergling | the ghosts in turn can possess other monsters |
| 10:18.04 | DeadZergling | I couldn't find a good data way to credit kills to the caster indirectly like that |
| 10:18.06 | Bounty | Yeah... I would not want to make some shit like that in triggers |
| 10:18.08 | DeadZergling | but with triggers, easy |
| 10:18.20 | Bounty | you made the entire class in triggers? |
| 10:18.23 | Bounty | oh |
| 10:18.27 | DeadZergling | they get possessed, send off a dummy effect |
| 10:18.31 | DeadZergling | triggers takes care of that for me :) |
| 10:19.03 | Bounty | gotcha |
| 10:19.05 | DeadZergling | also, all pets drain energy while alive, including possessed ones |
| 10:19.13 | DeadZergling | be a nightmare to keep track of in data alone |
| 10:19.14 | Bounty | dafuck are you making |
| 10:19.17 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:19.25 | DeadZergling | but triggers to the rescue again! |
| 10:19.30 | DeadZergling | RPG |
| 10:19.33 | DeadZergling | a really hard one |
| 10:19.42 | Bounty | control scheme? |
| 10:19.47 | Bounty | typical SC2? |
| 10:19.55 | DeadZergling | yea, wasd can fuck itself |
| 10:19.58 | DeadZergling | I'm not putting that in |
| 10:19.59 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:20.04 | Bounty | aww |
| 10:20.04 | ezbeats | ok, ill just swing for the fences here.... does anyone follow the terrain forum? and if so the weekly terrain challenge? and if so the guy that usually makes badass shit every week joecab? he was nice enough to make the terran, that alon IMO (if you are into ideas for terrain) you should checkthis map out :D but yeah its late, and im drunk on wine |
| 10:20.17 | Bounty | what about camera view? |
| 10:20.18 | Bounty | typical? |
| 10:20.19 | DeadZergling | the abilities aren't designed around a wasd setup at all |
| 10:20.28 | DeadZergling | typical, in a sense? |
| 10:20.42 | Bounty | in the sense I could play your game and it looks exactly like SC2 |
| 10:20.43 | DeadZergling | you are zoomed in a lot to make the terrain much larger |
| 10:20.54 | Bounty | good enough for me |
| 10:21.02 | Bounty | You have just innovated |
| 10:21.05 | Bounty | by doing just that |
| 10:21.11 | Bounty | in terms of RPG's on the arcade |
| 10:21.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:21.20 | DeadZergling | it is effectively a 800 by 800 map |
| 10:21.25 | DeadZergling | with that trick |
| 10:21.44 | Bounty | I take it you downscaled models as well? |
| 10:21.51 | DeadZergling | yes, what a nightmare, lol |
| 10:21.53 | Bounty | I've been doing that since Photon Discs |
| 10:22.07 | Bounty | Its worth it, especially if you zoom in |
| 10:22.12 | DeadZergling | thing they don't tell about that |
| 10:22.12 | Bounty | makes the textures look better |
| 10:22.18 | DeadZergling | doodads are totally fucked |
| 10:22.28 | DeadZergling | so gotta remove the blocking options |
| 10:22.33 | DeadZergling | and play with the pathing editor |
| 10:22.35 | Bounty | whats wrong with them? |
| 10:22.48 | DeadZergling | a little tree blocks 5 or 10 feet away from it |
| 10:22.56 | DeadZergling | because teh footprint is not shrunk with the model |
| 10:23.11 | Bounty | I have a solution I use to issues like that |
| 10:23.20 | Bounty | Delete the footprint from the actor |
| 10:23.24 | Bounty | and do manual pathing |
| 10:23.32 | DeadZergling | yep, exactly what I had to do |
| 10:23.38 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 10:23.39 | DeadZergling | me and the red pathing tool |
| 10:23.42 | DeadZergling | are good buddies |
| 10:23.42 | Bounty | its the better option anyway |
| 10:23.45 | Bounty | yep |
| 10:23.50 | Bounty | Its worth it |
| 10:23.53 | DeadZergling | i also had to do some innovating |
| 10:24.05 | Bounty | Even if you did not use shift placement for doodads, the default pathing is shit |
| 10:24.07 | DeadZergling | to make firebolts fly across chasms/empty space |
| 10:24.15 | DeadZergling | but not through walls |
| 10:24.25 | Bounty | pathing type check? |
| 10:24.36 | DeadZergling | well, basically I had to remove the no pathing thing |
| 10:24.42 | DeadZergling | because it regards chasms as no pathing |
| 10:24.43 | Bounty | no fly zone? |
| 10:24.48 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:24.52 | DeadZergling | but I mean shit, you expect to be able to cast across that, right? |
| 10:24.58 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tolkfan (~Thunderbi@host-89-230-244-232.nowydwor.mm.pl) |
| 10:25.18 | Bounty | Been awhile since I've done stuff like that |
| 10:25.21 | DeadZergling | it has a higher cliff level check I think, although I may remove that in the future |
| 10:25.38 | DeadZergling | no, I had put in big super compound regions |
| 10:25.47 | Bounty | I'm working on a game for old people so yeah haha |
| 10:25.49 | DeadZergling | that apply kill it buffs to any missiles that fly in them, lol |
| 10:25.56 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:26.12 | DeadZergling | is messy and stupid, but is the only system that does what I want |
| 10:26.20 | Bounty | That is one of those "I need to do this and this is how i'm gonna do this shit" moments |
| 10:26.38 | DeadZergling | for awhile I was just, okay, no more chasms |
| 10:26.41 | DeadZergling | they must never know |
| 10:26.49 | DeadZergling | but then, fuck that, I want to fire across chasms damnit |
| 10:26.55 | DeadZergling | and your stupid rules won't stop me |
| 10:26.57 | Bounty | Yep |
| 10:27.03 | Bounty | The beauty of it is |
| 10:27.08 | Bounty | They will never see the coding |
| 10:27.13 | Bounty | So it does not matter |
| 10:27.18 | Bounty | >.< |
| 10:27.24 | DeadZergling | yea, I put in something similar for my water |
| 10:27.33 | DeadZergling | made it so water causes your movement/attack rate to slow down |
| 10:27.39 | ezbeats | im sorry to interject what are you all talking about? |
| 10:27.47 | Bounty | chasms |
| 10:27.50 | DeadZergling | innovation, I think |
| 10:27.53 | ezbeats | another game? |
| 10:28.19 | DeadZergling | well I'm using examples from my project |
| 10:28.24 | DeadZergling | since it is about all I ever work on... |
| 10:28.25 | Bounty | I am thankful we're not talking about innovation at 5:30 AM |
| 10:28.28 | ezbeats | whats your project from? |
| 10:28.29 | Bounty | I could go on for days |
| 10:28.39 | ezbeats | its 230 am in the west coast |
| 10:28.40 | ezbeats | here |
| 10:28.45 | DeadZergling | my project is an RPG ezbeats |
| 10:28.45 | Bounty | East coast here |
| 10:28.55 | Bounty | Guess my state |
| 10:28.59 | Bounty | >.< |
| 10:29.01 | DeadZergling | Florida? |
| 10:29.06 | ezbeats | what makes your rpg awesome? |
| 10:29.08 | Bounty | nope |
| 10:29.12 | ezbeats | deadzergling? |
| 10:29.13 | DeadZergling | Maine? |
| 10:29.22 | DeadZergling | or was it New Jersey |
| 10:29.26 | Bounty | When you think East Coast and the shittiest state |
| 10:29.26 | DeadZergling | I think you said that before |
| 10:29.27 | Bounty | yeah |
| 10:29.37 | Bounty | ding |
| 10:29.39 | ezbeats | custom models? spells? fights? |
| 10:29.42 | DeadZergling | oh, 5 different classes, that are in fact, 5 different classes |
| 10:30.09 | ezbeats | you have a map playable? |
| 10:30.09 | DeadZergling | very good at certain tactics, ways of fighting, and the classes can be used in different ways depending which way you go |
| 10:30.12 | ezbeats | can i try it? |
| 10:30.26 | DeadZergling | sure, look up horo in custom maps (not Arcade) on NA |
| 10:30.39 | Bounty | You're a race specimen ezbeats |
| 10:30.40 | DeadZergling | is a big weird #########hororpg name |
| 10:30.55 | Bounty | You're eager for people to play your map but just as eager to play others... |
| 10:30.57 | DeadZergling | is so people can play it, but I'm not ready for it to be officially on arcade yet |
| 10:31.00 | Bounty | Quite a rare breed |
| 10:31.06 | ezbeats | deadzergling is it your map? |
| 10:31.09 | DeadZergling | yes |
| 10:31.21 | DeadZergling | just don't use Jack Daniels mage right now, he is broken |
| 10:31.22 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 10:31.27 | ezbeats | i thought thats what a mapping community was about |
| 10:31.33 | DeadZergling | is about a lot of things |
| 10:31.38 | ezbeats | anyways |
| 10:31.49 | DeadZergling | oh i dunno bounty, I played Zolden's map like 40 + times |
| 10:31.55 | DeadZergling | in order to be lazy and avoid workign on my own |
| 10:31.55 | Bounty | You'll learn the ropes ezbeats |
| 10:32.06 | ezbeats | thanks bounty |
| 10:32.09 | Bounty | Exactly |
| 10:32.19 | Bounty | I don't think most of us do it for the right reasons |
| 10:32.22 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:32.30 | DeadZergling | i did make a point of it to give him a lot of feedback |
| 10:32.45 | Bounty | I could be wrong though |
| 10:32.48 | DeadZergling | like to think it is a little better because of that |
| 10:33.11 | DeadZergling | well I don't mind trying someone else's shit out if I'm in the mood/got the time |
| 10:33.19 | DeadZergling | but don't expect me to play it for hours unless I find it fun |
| 10:33.20 | ezbeats | anyone else here besides bounty and deadzergling? (dont meant be negative because you guys are keeping the chat lines gling) but is anyone else here? |
| 10:33.22 | Bounty | I am more self centered than Jade when it comes to this topic |
| 10:33.26 | ezbeats | i know its late |
| 10:33.34 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zolden (~a@88.135.0.21) |
| 10:33.40 | Bounty | Zolden is here |
| 10:33.44 | Bounty | as of, now |
| 10:33.46 | DeadZergling | oh sure, lots of people are 'here' |
| 10:33.47 | ezbeats | hey zolden |
| 10:33.49 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:33.52 | DeadZergling | they just don't reply |
| 10:33.52 | Zolden | hey |
| 10:34.00 | Bounty | They will reply DeadZergling |
| 10:34.03 | Bounty | You just have to beep them |
| 10:34.07 | DeadZergling | right |
| 10:34.11 | DeadZergling | I was getting to that part :) |
| 10:34.11 | Bounty | I did an experiment once |
| 10:34.18 | Bounty | typed everyones name |
| 10:34.23 | Bounty | almost got banned |
| 10:34.27 | Bounty | woke those fuckers up |
| 10:34.29 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:34.43 | Zolden | let's type random person's name for another experiment |
| 10:34.45 | Bounty | FieryRage |
| 10:34.49 | Zolden | kingTD hey, are you even here? |
| 10:34.56 | Bounty | Torhal |
| 10:35.01 | Bounty | I'll stop there |
| 10:35.17 | Bounty | What you gotta do Zolden |
| 10:35.21 | Bounty | Is type everyones name |
| 10:35.23 | Torhal | ? |
| 10:35.24 | Bounty | in a single message |
| 10:35.28 | Bounty | see |
| 10:35.30 | Bounty | I got one |
| 10:35.32 | Bounty | I GOT A BITE |
| 10:36.02 | Zolden | i think they are jsut too busy with mapmaking to pay attention here |
| 10:36.31 | Bounty | I would believe that if there were more than 2 maps released per 3 years |
| 10:36.37 | DeadZergling | I think certain people are too busy trying to come up with a name for their project |
| 10:36.49 | Bounty | They never sleep |
| 10:36.50 | Bounty | Like |
| 10:36.55 | Bounty | I randomly picked 2 peoples |
| 10:37.01 | Bounty | 1 of them was awake |
| 10:37.10 | Bounty | waiting for his name to be called |
| 10:37.19 | Bounty | crazy... |
| 10:37.26 | Bounty | dem odds |
| 10:37.54 | DeadZergling | about time to get some sleep Jersey boy, lol |
| 10:38.01 | ezbeats | so glad i joined the sc2mapster irc |
| 10:38.06 | ezbeats | gf home |
| 10:38.09 | ezbeats | will try again |
| 10:38.13 | ezbeats | have a goodnight- |
| 10:38.32 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 10:38.43 | Bounty | that melatonin is kicking in |
| 10:38.52 | Bounty | >.< |
| 10:39.08 | DeadZergling | who knows if i'll get any sleep |
| 10:39.12 | DeadZergling | damn kid keeps waking up |
| 10:39.58 | Bounty | My son just woke up but I'm still going to bed |
| 10:40.08 | Bounty | I sense much rage in my future |
| 10:40.27 | DeadZergling | grats on that? |
| 10:40.36 | Bounty | on rage? |
| 10:40.38 | Bounty | Thanks |
| 10:40.43 | Zolden | just get a fat black nanny, she'll teach them love |
| 10:40.52 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:41.06 | Bounty | to early to be making me laugh like that brah |
| 10:41.11 | Bounty | >.< |
| 10:41.18 | DeadZergling | what night would be complete without a horrible Zolden comment |
| 10:41.26 | Bounty | indeed |
| 10:41.45 | Bounty | I helped someone and I ended the night with a pinch of racism via Zolden |
| 10:41.52 | Bounty | Night all |
| 10:41.58 | DeadZergling | later |
| 10:42.00 | Bounty | or morning |
| 10:42.02 | Bounty | w/e |
| 10:42.32 | kingTD | Zolden sup nigga? played ur map, fucking leave leavers units till next respawn ffs |
| 10:43.27 | DeadZergling | if they leaving, think their force really had what it took anyways kingTD ? |
| 10:43.56 | Zolden | kingTD you answered, cool! I knew ppl like you sdo hang here personally! |
| 10:44.11 | Zolden | interesting, will it be the same order of units if i do pick all units in a groupp in a region? |
| 10:44.18 | kingTD | its better something than nothing when they just leave in the same second when the waves spawns... ffs |
| 10:45.20 | Zolden | kingTD it would require some additional scripts, i'm lazy for it, but this supposition is reasonable, and one day i'll handle it |
| 10:45.32 | kingTD | jizzz |
| 10:45.36 | kingTD | lazzy fuck :( |
| 10:45.43 | Zolden | jizzz your jesus |
| 10:47.01 | DeadZergling | Zolden, I assume right now it just does a simple pick all units, remove |
| 10:47.16 | kingTD | im fucking rich!! 2 gold mines |
| 10:47.18 | Zolden | yea |
| 10:47.23 | DeadZergling | wouldn't be much harder to just add a quick behavior that suicides units in 60 seconds |
| 10:47.31 | DeadZergling | and apply that behavior to all leaver units |
| 10:48.08 | Zolden | DeadZergling good idea! |
| 10:49.12 | Zolden | actually, i could just exclude his units from remove procedure, and they will be removed at round's end |
| 10:49.30 | DeadZergling | yea, as always, multiple solutions |
| 10:49.39 | DeadZergling | was just going for a really easy patch fix, lol |
| 10:50.01 | Zolden | yea, you know how to mapmake being lazy: just find easier solutions |
| 10:50.11 | Zolden | guess twod is also pro at this |
| 10:50.23 | DeadZergling | all depends what your ultimate objective is |
| 10:51.41 | Serashin | yum yum |
| 10:51.42 | Serashin | http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013/11/27/13/53/exploding-whale-captured-on-film |
| 10:53.28 | DeadZergling | that's rather disgusting |
| 10:53.30 | kingTD | EXPLOSIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:54.09 | Zolden | lol |
| 10:54.38 | Serashin | i saw this video documented in german |
| 10:54.51 | Serashin | so had to search for english , but no sound |
| 10:58.07 | kingTD | lol mass crack elfs :d |
| 10:58.18 | kingTD | almost 20 |
| 11:03.32 | Zolden | is it still a strat? |
| 11:03.51 | kingTD | seems like it and it works :D |
| 11:03.57 | Zolden | ok |
| 11:04.12 | kingTD | then he progressed to ranged buff fucker and got splash fucker |
| 11:05.35 | Zolden | isnt the game became too easy after i gave everyone 4+ res instead of 2+? |
| 11:06.06 | Zolden | i played 3 games yesterday, and leaks were rare |
| 11:06.37 | DeadZergling | not sure what you mean by 4+ instead of 2+ |
| 11:06.55 | kingTD | im not even using sends almost |
| 11:07.06 | Zolden | it was 2 guranteed resource nodes per player |
| 11:07.16 | Zolden | + random |
| 11:07.30 | Zolden | now i'm giving 4 guarandteed ones |
| 11:07.40 | Zolden | + random |
| 11:07.54 | Zolden | and they are rarely rare |
| 11:08.20 | Zolden | + more rocks around |
| 11:08.41 | Zolden | and 40 -> 42 chance to have a res unde rock |
| 11:09.18 | DeadZergling | 2 guaranteed, does that mean 2 of any of the 7 types, or does it depend on their chosen tower type? |
| 11:10.18 | Zolden | it was race-based + random |
| 11:10.43 | DeadZergling | I'll go a game or two in a bit, see what I think |
| 11:10.52 | Zolden | now it's rased based + random (not rare, jsut mana, foof or metal) + 2 random (also less chance of rare) |
| 11:11.13 | Zolden | and i meanwhile apply the list of fixes i got to apply |
| 11:11.18 | DeadZergling | less chance of rare |
| 11:11.29 | DeadZergling | what you mean, like subdolak, blue crystals? |
| 11:11.36 | Zolden | and oil, yea |
| 11:11.44 | DeadZergling | oil is the one I always want |
| 11:11.45 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 11:12.03 | Zolden | the amount of resources placed on map is now also higher |
| 11:14.44 | Serashin | game was fine 3 days ago |
| 11:14.53 | Serashin | dead whale approves |
| 11:20.49 | kingTD | finally someone made Tricerons Mage model to appear |
| 11:38.11 | kingTD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNrwhEsTxf0 |
| 11:38.20 | kingTD | cheap shit for you zolden |
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| 11:45.10 | Zolden | kingTD white noise between cuts ruins it |
| 11:45.44 | kingTD | yeah not having snow is real bitch |
| 11:49.06 | Zolden | build ability has an "effect" field, does it work? it doesn't for me |
| 12:05.02 | kingTD | its crazy how noone uses Normal game speed |
| 12:07.28 | Zolden | i made attempts in the past, failed |
| 12:07.37 | DeadZergling | tried it twice Zolden, no point in even bothering attempting to econ with the new send system |
| 12:07.52 | Zolden | DeadZergling what would you change? |
| 12:08.21 | DeadZergling | no more decimal point bonuses for sends, increase ratio at least to what it was before, if not more |
| 12:10.03 | DeadZergling | as it is right now, much wiser to just build units mostly and not do econ for awhile |
| 12:10.15 | DeadZergling | you lose far more by attempting to econ and leaking |
| 12:10.54 | kingTD | agreed |
| 12:11.14 | DeadZergling | see now you know something is wrong, kingTD agrees with me on something |
| 12:11.22 | Zolden | kingTD http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/snova_17/42505524/1300505/1300505_original.jpg |
| 12:12.00 | kingTD | yeah he looks like he like taking those hits |
| 12:12.10 | DeadZergling | oh, I thought it was a picture of Z |
| 12:14.41 | kingTD | zolden is in the left |
| 12:14.50 | kingTD | mudak |
| 12:17.08 | kingTD | since there is arcade in the title: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypvFlsOetOA |
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| 12:21.44 | Zolden | I also liked the music from the ad youtube played b4 this vid |
| 12:23.01 | Stewox | vote Snowden for TIME Person of Year http://poy.time.com/2013/11/25/vote-now-who-should-be-times-person-of-the-year/slide/edward-snowden/ |
| 12:23.28 | duckies | Zolden ,if sends income is same as it was at the beginning of week, then yea, no point in making tier 1&2, you just lose on them by not spending those resources to either upgrade mines or saving up. Those start sends are more of a noob trap. On the other hand I came to like the importance of gold mines, since before I wouldn't even upgrade them and always get rich via sends income ;| |
| 12:23.43 | duckies | that's about your td before I dcs |
| 12:23.47 | duckies | *disconnected |
| 12:24.07 | Zolden | ok |
| 12:24.12 | Zolden | i'll up them |
| 12:24.17 | Zolden | kingTD btw, have you tried to listen the music I composed? I posted it on mapster once, not sure if you saw |
| 12:24.40 | Zolden | but i'll up them slightly |
| 12:24.58 | kingTD | yeah i did some brief listening of those |
| 12:24.59 | Zolden | don't want the exponent to explode |
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| 12:25.39 | Zolden | btw, behavior's name override worked, so now mines will have proper names |
| 12:25.58 | duckies | but I doubt they still have proper double click selection ;/ |
| 12:26.10 | duckies | eh, that doesn't sound right |
| 12:26.39 | duckies | *I doubt they have a double click correct selection based on mine type, is what I meant to say |
| 12:26.39 | Zolden | what about doubleclick selection? |
| 12:26.55 | duckies | when you double click gold mine, all other mines are selected al well |
| 12:27.01 | Zolden | you mean doubleclick selects them all instead of only a few of the type? |
| 12:27.06 | Zolden | yea |
| 12:27.14 | Zolden | i try to fix it too |
| 12:27.18 | duckies | yeah, selects all types, instead of just selected type |
| 12:27.27 | duckies | nice |
| 12:27.40 | Zolden | also i'll add a cold key to list mines one by one |
| 12:28.19 | duckies | som you're gonna fill up entire cold key bar then? |
| 12:28.37 | Bommes | playing some reaper of souls |
| 12:28.58 | Bommes | I forgot how pretty the physics effects in Diablo 3 are |
| 12:29.18 | Bommes | everything exploding |
| 12:29.34 | duckies | bommes, at first I was excited about it, but then I realized it's more of the same main-stat nonsens and got apathetic again. But yea, that game is pretty |
| 12:33.01 | G0A | Zolden http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-27/presenting-bitkillers-these-are-richest-holders-bitcoin |
| 12:35.56 | DeadZergling | the main issue with sends not being worth so much Zolden is that those who happen to get gold mines will always have a major advantage |
| 12:36.03 | Zolden | richest guy has last transaction 11 feb |
| 12:36.43 | G0A | yeah |
| 12:36.43 | duckies | dz, remind me how much resources one T1 send costs? |
| 12:36.51 | G0A | the top 100 is all investors |
| 12:36.58 | G0A | as it should be |
| 12:37.01 | DeadZergling | depends which, 10 for magic for like .4 or some crap |
| 12:37.20 | DeadZergling | 3 for metal, 3 for food |
| 12:37.31 | duckies | so, 3 for 0,5 gold, right? |
| 12:37.33 | DeadZergling | but the ratios are totally weak compared to the original +1 and +3 setup |
| 12:37.51 | DeadZergling | 18 metals for 4 gold |
| 12:37.52 | DeadZergling | fuck that |
| 12:37.57 | Zolden | original system allowed too fast income growth |
| 12:38.19 | duckies | that makes 1 goldmine worthy of 30 food/metal, eh?:/ |
| 12:39.01 | Zolden | you can send a roach for 18 food and get +5 income |
| 12:39.27 | duckies | oh so you buffed it during week? |
| 12:39.34 | Zolden | if you up a basic gold mine for 7 food, you'll have +1 gold income |
| 12:39.35 | duckies | haven't played it since monday ;/ |
| 12:39.52 | Zolden | I update it every day |
| 12:40.19 | duckies | I see, every day I get to play it I don't do any mapping, so I decided against playing it lately |
| 12:40.35 | Zolden | right, mapmake |
| 12:42.46 | G0A | haha |
| 12:43.52 | G0A | duckies I seen you logged in yesterday if I remember correctly.D |
| 12:44.19 | kingTD | :D |
| 12:44.40 | Zolden | G0A just noticed, top 100 own only 30% of bitcoins. This probably making it hard to affect prcies |
| 12:45.23 | Zolden | maybe that was duck's evil twin |
| 12:45.30 | kingTD | plus those sends dont really do shit. it needs some kind of buffs that adds to the wave or debuffs for defenders, slighlty ones but at least something that would effect the wave since the one unit u send most of the time dont means shit |
| 12:45.51 | Zolden | kingTD it's waht i'm doing right now |
| 12:46.26 | G0A | Zolden yeah thats why I linked it, I thought it would have much worse distribution. |
| 12:47.57 | G0A | Also bitcoin will have some serious competition... http://coinmarketcap.com/qrk_30.html |
| 12:48.47 | G0A | I wanted to buy QuarkCoin last week, but I guess I missed the fun |
| 12:49.32 | kingTD | Zolden move spawn loaction of side players abit to sides |
| 12:49.43 | kingTD | as now fucking with those stealers is just fucking |
| 12:49.54 | Zolden | kingTD yea, i may do it |
| 12:50.39 | DeadZergling | Zolden has the best answer to all suggestions |
| 12:50.40 | DeadZergling | maybe |
| 12:51.00 | DeadZergling | anyways, going to sleep now while I can, night map maker men |
| 12:51.01 | Zolden | what if I add some expensive superdrill abil to attack enemy mines/const yards? |
| 12:51.26 | Zolden | DeadZergling I add things to the list and then considering it |
| 12:51.36 | G0A | that would make people to outrage and suicide into others |
| 12:51.44 | G0A | but do it:D |
| 12:51.49 | Zolden | have to imagine how will it interact with other things, will or will not it ruin something |
| 12:51.54 | G0A | everybody would use it on you:D |
| 12:52.26 | DeadZergling | i'd hold off on that one, claiming mines before an enemy can is pretty effective too |
| 12:52.55 | DeadZergling | is enough that you can target their towers and mess their formation up |
| 12:53.08 | DeadZergling | IE a well placed laser sends anubis up to the back of the line |
| 12:53.52 | Zolden | DeadZergling i'll make towers to not lose formations when their ass got drilled |
| 12:54.14 | Zolden | anus of anubis |
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| 13:03.38 | Serashin | i should buy you kingTD to infect Zolden with your influence |
| 13:03.46 | Serashin | atleast we get something playable then |
| 13:03.50 | Serashin | he can do models |
| 13:03.53 | Serashin | but game balance |
| 13:03.57 | Serashin | *vomit |
| 13:04.10 | kingTD | fu hater :/ |
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| 13:04.21 | Serashin | dead whale gonna hate |
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| 13:29.56 | kingTD | 123 |
| 13:32.07 | Serashin | guess i start another round of random td domination , but i doubt theres games at this hour on NA server |
| 13:32.26 | G0A | random td? |
| 13:32.32 | G0A | why not Entropy?:) |
| 13:33.00 | G0A | btw there are players this time on NA cause many play from EU on the NA server |
| 13:34.04 | Serashin | i told u b4 that ima AaäaAäaaÄaaä and i know all that shit ^^ , i just have like 3-4 more days td fix wich i gotta use |
| 13:34.10 | Serashin | cause Zolden to bad |
| 13:34.27 | Serashin | but |
| 13:34.36 | Serashin | 14:34 = like 7 am on NA |
| 13:34.37 | Serashin | for most |
| 13:34.40 | Serashin | = bad |
| 13:35.22 | Serashin | last matchhistory say 5 week ago |
| 13:37.03 | Serashin | and squad chaos got broken 1.2 years ago when they added mech :S |
| 13:38.29 | Zolden | lol |
| 13:42.56 | kingTD | ffs so lazyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 13:43.05 | kingTD | ZOLDEN WHY U LAZY SO MUCH!?!??! |
| 13:43.09 | Serashin | brain exercises ftw GOA |
| 13:43.35 | Serashin | never forgetting shit all day err day |
| 13:44.25 | Zolden | kingTD i'm mapmaking, what is so lazy about? |
| 13:44.47 | kingTD | u map shit :( |
| 13:46.17 | Zolden | double monkey jumps kingTD |
| 13:46.34 | kingTD | jumps back Zolden |
| 13:46.50 | Zolden | costs monkey jump shield |
| 13:47.17 | G0A | Serashin I know who are you:) matter of ages and I am finished with Entropy TD 2.0 |
| 13:47.35 | kingTD | casts purge on Zolden monkey jumps him to death |
| 13:47.37 | G0A | buys the shield |
| 13:48.08 | Zolden | fires multiple monkey jump plasma bolts |
| 13:48.15 | Serashin | you can at your age still invent next generation stuffs |
| 13:48.19 | Serashin | so dont limit yourself |
| 13:48.27 | G0A | hehe |
| 13:48.28 | Serashin | who says im a young flea |
| 13:48.33 | G0A | I am too old to that |
| 13:48.43 | Serashin | > looks at einstein > disagrees |
| 13:49.24 | kingTD | goes to buy candies in near by van |
| 13:50.08 | G0A | sells monkey jump candies |
| 13:50.24 | Serashin | also in case you didnt see , next lvl hating |
| 13:50.29 | Serashin | @ GOA |
| 13:50.30 | Serashin | http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013/11/27/13/53/exploding-whale-captured-on-film |
| 13:51.19 | kingTD | *Explodes like a monkey* |
| 13:52.45 | Serashin | well as expected didnt work out to well , 20 minutes in lobby just 1 guy here |
| 13:53.23 | kingTD | gay |
| 13:55.19 | Stewox | ETA 7 hrs 57 Min |
| 13:55.41 | Ahli | ETA to what? |
| 13:57.28 | Ahli | http://www.twitch.tv/dreamhacksc2 Naniwa TLO... ETA... 2-3 minutes |
| 13:59.05 | Serashin | failed |
| 13:59.41 | Serashin | to bad naniwa doesnt rage nowdays in ladder anymore back in 2011 when i met up with him he rq allot |
| 14:04.53 | G0A | Serashin yeah from time to time dead whales explode... there was one which got exploded in a city while it was transported |
| 14:05.40 | Serashin | o.O , ye for humans same when they die . guess only difference between them and us is that their bodys are build for more underwater pressure . hence the bigger impact |
| 14:06.28 | G0A | and they are like 20 times bigger, so it looks better.... |
| 14:10.28 | G0A | wow blizz halved Sc2 and hots cost |
| 14:11.11 | A1win | mmh needs better formating for energy cost http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a101/SC2%202013-11-28%2016-08-40-83.jpg |
| 14:12.44 | A1win | and not the best icon for "warp drive" ;p |
| 14:14.18 | Serashin | actually |
| 14:14.20 | Serashin | 2.1 |
| 14:14.28 | Serashin | makes multiplayer for free |
| 14:14.36 | Serashin | arcade for all accs , and all races |
| 14:15.23 | Serashin | who needs tooltips on ya map ! |
| 14:15.25 | Serashin | just pew pew |
| 14:22.06 | G0A | I wonder how will they enable arcade for those who have sc2 but not hots. |
| 14:24.26 | G0A | Zolden Bitcoin is at 1170 |
| 14:24.35 | G0A | madness |
| 14:25.11 | Serashin | good point , guess i didnt read that out of the announcement aswell |
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| 14:26.33 | Zolden | yea |
| 14:27.39 | G0A | we should make an arcade coin where people gain money by making maps |
| 14:27.40 | Serashin | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435940 |
| 14:27.49 | Serashin | cant read it out |
| 14:27.56 | Serashin | meh i have anyways 2 free smurf accounts |
| 14:28.04 | Serashin | not a big deal for me , got hots aswell |
| 14:28.08 | Serashin | but everyone can make smurfs |
| 14:29.57 | G0A | its just that I already copying hots assets into my wol map:) |
| 14:37.10 | Serashin | well im a mapmaker noob , dont you need dependencys or u can do simply import it ? |
| 14:38.02 | Serashin | cause i remember trying it with protoss snake |
| 14:38.03 | Serashin | didnt work |
| 14:38.21 | Serashin | idk why no map has that model |
| 14:38.46 | G0A | wtf |
| 14:38.53 | G0A | anyone watching the stream? |
| 14:39.14 | Serashin | i always watch sc2 tournaments |
| 14:39.15 | G0A | what was the girl showing? force field my...? |
| 14:39.21 | Serashin | since 2010 |
| 14:39.44 | Serashin | dont pay attention to commercials sry |
| 14:39.47 | G0A | sadly I have only 1 monitor now so I am not watching streams:D |
| 14:39.57 | Serashin | guess thats same for me |
| 14:40.11 | Serashin | its more of radio . and when i wanna watch certain players face i pause whatever im doing |
| 14:40.13 | Serashin | and watch it |
| 14:40.14 | G0A | it wasnt commercial its his fun that was showing a sing |
| 14:40.38 | Serashin | well there was earlier a commercial with x ray vision on a girl |
| 14:40.45 | Serashin | thought that was one then too |
| 14:43.27 | A1win | how's that now? http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a101/SC2%202013-11-28%2016-42-43-01.jpg |
| 14:43.50 | A1win | (tooltip layout) |
| 14:43.54 | A1win | and formatting |
| 14:44.23 | Serashin | dno whenever i relate something to mana its that symbol in most games |
| 14:44.27 | Serashin | the booster is more of speed |
| 14:45.14 | A1win | what symbol? |
| 14:45.43 | A1win | you mentioned mana last time we tested and I have no idea what you're talking about :P |
| 14:45.44 | Serashin | wich u had when i had testrun |
| 14:46.01 | Serashin | i guess i didnt mention mana |
| 14:46.07 | Serashin | i mentioned delay |
| 14:46.19 | A1win | you mentioned mana during the test |
| 14:46.22 | A1win | when we started |
| 14:46.33 | Serashin | idk |
| 14:46.35 | A1win | do you mean the circles above the action bar? |
| 14:46.52 | Serashin | the icon for the spell itself |
| 14:47.04 | A1win | O.o |
| 14:47.52 | Serashin | ima check rep cause i clearly didnt say anything about mana |
| 14:48.23 | Serashin | okay ye |
| 14:48.41 | Serashin | i thought the selection from spell 2 and 3 wasnt made by numbers thought number equals shooting it |
| 14:48.49 | Serashin | instead of select number > use mouz |
| 14:48.51 | A1win | ah |
| 14:49.02 | A1win | yeah I need to make it clearer that mouse buttons fire the weapons ;x |
| 14:49.31 | Serashin | im problably to blame as i didnt join first game with full focus |
| 14:49.55 | A1win | anyway besides that icon, anything in the tooltip that looks weird? |
| 14:50.16 | Serashin | no looked natural |
| 14:50.38 | A1win | weapon tooltips are like this: http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a101/SC2%202013-11-28%2016-50-00-87.jpg |
| 14:50.50 | Serashin | to the abbility |
| 14:50.58 | Serashin | maybe give the line "abbility" |
| 14:51.02 | Serashin | itself a colour |
| 14:51.10 | Serashin | but nothing else to nag about it really well done |
| 14:51.26 | Serashin | ye |
| 14:51.29 | Serashin | same in second screen |
| 14:51.33 | Serashin | to split the clear meaning |
| 14:51.35 | Serashin | into your head |
| 14:51.50 | A1win | mmh |
| 14:52.14 | Serashin | i relate allot of helpfull stuff to colours . the less colours on big text > the harder to get into as first timer |
| 14:52.44 | A1win | well too many colors isn't good either :P |
| 14:53.16 | Serashin | i think in such a big text |
| 14:53.18 | A1win | not sure what color they should have though, that color isn't needed for creating a reference to some other element in the game |
| 14:53.25 | Serashin | a avg of 4 colours is acceptable |
| 14:53.30 | A1win | it's basically just a title |
| 14:54.27 | Serashin | also |
| 14:54.35 | Serashin | in second screen the cd has same colour as dps |
| 14:54.58 | Serashin | while the first looks more pretty |
| 14:55.13 | A1win | heh, in my head it's the other way round ;p |
| 14:55.37 | Serashin | for abbility line |
| 14:55.43 | Serashin | make same colour as in bar |
| 14:56.05 | Serashin | for left and right aka primary and secondary 2 colours that rival a little or make the meaning of different buttons clear |
| 14:56.27 | A1win | hmm yeah could color ability with the same pink as ability button borders and weapon primary/secondary with the cyan that is in weapon buttons |
| 14:56.43 | Serashin | also |
| 14:56.44 | A1win | well |
| 14:56.46 | Serashin | add to weapon |
| 14:56.50 | Serashin | a Weapon line |
| 14:56.53 | Serashin | with same colour |
| 14:56.56 | Serashin | as in display down |
| 14:57.03 | Serashin | it doesnt have that in second screen |
| 14:57.03 | A1win | even if they are different colors, nothing tells you that color x means left mouse button and color y means right mouse button |
| 14:57.19 | Serashin | its the head of reading and putting it into corners |
| 14:57.26 | Serashin | cleanness , relation |
| 14:57.29 | Serashin | bridges |
| 14:57.32 | Serashin | everything the like |
| 14:57.40 | Serashin | part of brain exercises |
| 14:58.10 | A1win | if I add a Weapon line, the titles get messed up because I use the same for the Ability line and for the Primary/Secondary |
| 14:58.33 | Serashin | i dont know how it looks in data |
| 14:58.40 | Serashin | but if you name one section abbility in tooltip |
| 14:58.45 | Serashin | the other has to be named weapon |
| 15:00.23 | A1win | yeah that makes sense, it'll just bloat the tooltip a lot |
| 15:00.33 | A1win | maybe I should name the Ability line something else |
| 15:00.52 | A1win | and maybe just change PRIMARY to LEFT MOUSE and SECONDARY to RIGHT MOUSE |
| 15:01.05 | Serashin | like u want , but make it diff colours |
| 15:01.10 | Serashin | same with dps and cd |
| 15:01.12 | Serashin | dps red fits |
| 15:01.20 | Serashin | cd can be other colour |
| 15:08.52 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a101/SC2%202013-11-28%2017-08-15-19.jpg |
| 15:08.53 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a101/SC2%202013-11-28%2017-08-20-42.jpg |
| 15:09.08 | A1win | that "Hotkey Activated" text is still weird, dunno what to change it to ;p |
| 15:09.59 | A1win | if it just says "hotkey", might not be clear what it means, but now it just looks silly |
| 15:10.40 | A1win | "Instant" maybe |
| 15:10.50 | A1win | you press the key and it instantly uses it |
| 15:11.38 | A1win | now the colors have a clear link to the action bar border colors |
| 15:12.37 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a101/SC2%202013-11-28%2017-12-10-70.jpg |
| 15:13.07 | Serashin | make abbility + weapon |
| 15:13.08 | Serashin | o.o |
| 15:13.16 | A1win | why? |
| 15:13.27 | A1win | some abilities can be weapopns |
| 15:13.33 | A1win | if they launch missiles etc |
| 15:14.22 | Serashin | try yellow / brown mix for right mouse |
| 15:14.29 | Serashin | something in that area |
| 15:14.35 | A1win | then it's the wrong color |
| 15:14.47 | Serashin | i relate it to some other game |
| 15:15.03 | A1win | now the color is the same as the color on the action bar |
| 15:15.18 | Serashin | smashcraft , were the whole secondary spells got a yellow background . while mainspells were blue i believe |
| 15:15.29 | A1win | I don't see a reason to set different color for left/right mouse |
| 15:15.39 | A1win | it's the same weapon |
| 15:15.43 | A1win | with two different modes |
| 15:15.51 | A1win | not two spells that are used by different buttons |
| 15:15.55 | Serashin | yes if you use it as title for weapons and relation |
| 15:15.57 | Serashin | it makes sense |
| 15:16.11 | Serashin | but if you have the title = weapon relation to display . mouse need diff colour |
| 15:16.18 | Serashin | as it is can be counted as acceptable |
| 15:16.39 | A1win | weapon/ability doesn't have relation to the action bar color |
| 15:16.48 | A1win | it's just how the thing is used |
| 15:17.00 | Serashin | ? |
| 15:17.03 | Serashin | for me it looked like |
| 15:17.05 | Serashin | when i played |
| 15:17.07 | Serashin | weapon = teal |
| 15:17.11 | Serashin | abbil = purple |
| 15:17.14 | Serashin | so it does relate |
| 15:17.15 | A1win | if it activates instantly on hotkey press, the border color is pink, and if it activates with mouse button, the border color is teal |
| 15:17.19 | A1win | at the moment yes |
| 15:17.31 | A1win | but not when I add abilities that launch missiles/mines/whatever |
| 15:17.46 | Serashin | so u want a third section of display colour ? |
| 15:17.47 | Serashin | or what |
| 15:17.54 | Serashin | in action bar |
| 15:17.58 | A1win | no, the colors are fine |
| 15:18.19 | Serashin | abils that launch weapons |
| 15:18.21 | Serashin | i get it |
| 15:18.21 | A1win | purple = activates on hotkey press, costs energy |
| 15:18.32 | A1win | teal = selected with hotkeys, fires using mouse buttons |
| 15:19.07 | Serashin | in such a sense |
| 15:19.10 | Serashin | the instant title |
| 15:19.14 | Serashin | makes for me the most sense |
| 15:19.29 | A1win | yeah that's the idea |
| 15:20.09 | A1win | I'll change tooltip icon border color to teal/purple too |
| 15:20.45 | Serashin | ye perfect like the action bar border |
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| 15:21.01 | Serashin | altough the white one has a decent contrast |
| 15:21.06 | Serashin | to the space like background |
| 15:21.14 | Serashin | both works i guess |
| 15:21.21 | A1win | I mean just the icon border, not the whole tooltip border |
| 15:21.35 | Serashin | ye |
| 15:21.38 | Serashin | approved |
| 15:23.29 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a101/SC2%202013-11-28%2017-22-53-23.jpg |
| 15:23.30 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a101/SC2%202013-11-28%2017-22-55-48.jpg |
| 15:23.31 | A1win | mmh |
| 15:23.43 | A1win | yeah, doesn't look as nice |
| 15:24.21 | G0A | so |
| 15:24.29 | G0A | what about randomized map A1win? |
| 15:24.38 | A1win | it already is randomized |
| 15:24.40 | G0A | I want to see some crazy setups:D |
| 15:24.46 | G0A | ohh |
| 15:24.47 | A1win | nothing too crazy though |
| 15:24.51 | A1win | sometimes 3x black hole though |
| 15:25.09 | A1win | I'll toy around with the generator later, not that important for now :x |
| 15:25.19 | Serashin | the only thing |
| 15:25.26 | Serashin | that stings the screenshots for me |
| 15:25.31 | Serashin | is the cost colour |
| 15:25.38 | A1win | it basically just removes one or two planets at random, shifts them around a bit, replaces with random planet/black hole |
| 15:25.53 | Serashin | else i like the teal icon more then the white one |
| 15:25.55 | G0A | you could add something like an asteroid field which damages you if you go through it. |
| 15:25.57 | A1win | err, COST shouldn't even be in full caps |
| 15:26.23 | A1win | I'll make asteroids that fly into the map from outer space at some point |
| 15:26.31 | Serashin | sexy |
| 15:26.34 | G0A | nice |
| 15:26.40 | Serashin | but please |
| 15:26.42 | Serashin | make them appear |
| 15:26.44 | Serashin | on minimap |
| 15:26.52 | Serashin | thats a advanced players playground |
| 15:26.52 | A1win | yea ;p |
| 15:27.04 | Serashin | and 5 patches later |
| 15:27.08 | Serashin | we play tohou on hardcore |
| 15:27.10 | Serashin | :) |
| 15:27.29 | A1win | cost color too bright or what? |
| 15:27.43 | Serashin | enviromental stuff = difficulty setting |
| 15:28.00 | Serashin | my problem |
| 15:28.07 | A1win | also thinking about adding invulnerable moons that orbit certain planets |
| 15:28.09 | Serashin | is that it has same colour as instant spell |
| 15:28.22 | Serashin | cd and dps |
| 15:28.28 | A1win | mm I kind of wanted it to be similar since instant spells always cost energy |
| 15:28.30 | Serashin | dont have same colour as instant or weapon |
| 15:28.40 | A1win | I guess I should make energy some other color |
| 15:28.52 | Serashin | like u want , just different |
| 15:29.00 | Serashin | try a green or yellow for cost |
| 15:29.38 | A1win | I'll need to change the in-game display for energy color to the same color |
| 15:29.48 | A1win | green doesn't really feel like color for enrgy |
| 15:29.50 | A1win | *energy |
| 15:30.14 | Serashin | i just ment a adaptation to your current layout |
| 15:30.21 | Serashin | not for a new seperating one |
| 15:30.51 | A1win | or maybe I should make the instant icon borders more blueish purple than the current pinkish purple |
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| 15:43.21 | A1win | nnf not good |
| 15:48.56 | Serashin | Alwin , when another run ? |
| 15:51.40 | A1win | maybe later if we can get enough players |
| 15:52.58 | Serashin | just pm me or something then |
| 15:53.27 | Serashin | ǾniƔƔneÅÅÅǂƺ.422 |
| 15:53.29 | Serashin | thats my id |
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| 16:14.23 | G0A | duckies mine and magic?:) |
| 16:14.44 | G0A | you missed the lobby. |
| 16:15.17 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a101/SC2%202013-11-28%2018-14-38-59.jpg |
| 16:15.17 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a101/SC2%202013-11-28%2018-14-41-81.jpg |
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| 16:17.26 | kingTD | G0A and im not viable option? :/ |
| 16:20.06 | Zolden | how to make an image look different? |
| 16:20.14 | Zolden | unlike the standard look |
| 16:20.20 | A1win | ? |
| 16:20.26 | A1win | different in what sense? |
| 16:21.29 | G0A | you use photoshop or paint.net.D |
| 16:21.34 | Zolden | maybe different border |
| 16:22.15 | Zolden | for example, I want to change button's look from default to one of those button not-so-default skins |
| 16:22.41 | A1win | change its texture to a different one |
| 16:22.52 | Zolden | or make my own button, but include its modified version of mouseover situation |
| 16:22.54 | A1win | if it's a dialog item button, you can use Set Dialog Item Image |
| 16:23.13 | A1win | and Set Dialog Item Hover Image for mouseover stuff |
| 16:23.40 | A1win | (also need to set image type to fit the layout) |
| 16:24.18 | A1win | this 480 dps on firefly aoe mode is a bit misleading ;p |
| 16:24.23 | A1win | even the primary mode is misleading |
| 16:24.46 | A1win | in practice you can only do max 50% dps on the primary mode because the fireflies are spread so much |
| 16:25.30 | Zolden | A1win oh, got it, thanks |
| 16:27.24 | A1win | hmm should just show dps per missile |
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| 16:37.53 | G0A | Zolden !!!! http://pbrd.co/Ij0RYc |
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| 16:42.08 | kingTD | wtf |
| 16:42.09 | kingTD | wtf |
| 16:42.10 | kingTD | wtf |
| 16:42.58 | kingTD | wine or cider? |
| 16:43.11 | G0A | top right's defense goes to the souths center.... |
| 16:43.27 | G0A | Zolden your map is broken:D |
| 16:43.29 | duckies | so zolden, for how long are you gonna keep that pylon icon up there? :D |
| 16:43.56 | Zolden | G0A what is happening? |
| 16:43.58 | kingTD | or supply ingeneral |
| 16:44.36 | kingTD | mb that person managed to order units to attack |
| 16:44.42 | Zolden | duckies dunno, maybe i'll use it later, just haven't decided |
| 16:44.53 | Zolden | G0A is it for one game or for all? |
| 16:45.14 | G0A | one |
| 16:45.20 | G0A | but I played only one |
| 16:45.30 | G0A | there was leaver at the start of game |
| 16:45.36 | Zolden | are all units go there or only the arcanes? |
| 16:45.42 | duckies | you could use it for resources... or you could hide it until decided, you know, hiding away those obvious "look at me, I'm in an alpha/beta state" quirks |
| 16:45.43 | G0A | all |
| 16:46.20 | G0A | we died cause that Zolden btw |
| 16:46.26 | Zolden | duckies if i hide it, i'll have to move dialog labels to fit new res position |
| 16:46.37 | Zolden | G0A ok, i'll see waht toulc cause that |
| 16:47.27 | kingTD | better watch replay |
| 16:47.35 | kingTD | and see mb player ordered the units |
| 16:47.46 | Zolden | G0A was it automatic move or he sent them? |
| 16:47.56 | Zolden | ok, gimme the replay pls |
| 16:48.13 | kingTD | so Wine or Cider? |
| 16:48.15 | G0A | automatic I watched the replay |
| 16:48.22 | Zolden | strange |
| 16:48.47 | Zolden | kingTD weed |
| 16:48.48 | G0A | they set up at the end of our place and then gone to our base... |
| 16:49.07 | kingTD | Zolden those are in too give the answer from those 2 options |
| 16:49.41 | G0A | they also setuped at all the places at their place like in a normal game |
| 16:51.23 | G0A | kingTD Duckies lets play something while Zolden fixes his crappy map:D |
| 16:52.09 | kingTD | wine or cider? |
| 16:52.10 | duckies | ;\ you're just never gonna adjust, gonna have your UI all messed up with irrelevant info and mediocre leaderbroad button >:/ |
| 16:52.35 | kingTD | and out of context colored ld |
| 16:54.40 | Zolden | i'm trying to make button better |
| 16:55.07 | kingTD | button |
| 16:55.13 | kingTD | make LEADERBOARD BETTER |
| 16:55.14 | kingTD | ffs |
| 16:56.47 | Zolden | i'm trying to understand how to change button first |
| 16:56.50 | Zolden | it's fucking me |
| 16:56.55 | duckies | my first impression of leaderboard was "-What does the scouter says about his income level? -It's over NINE .. dozens!!" |
| 16:57.28 | G0A | :DDD |
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| 17:00.56 | Zolden | what's wrong with this button? http://i.snag.gy/0oFSt.jpg |
| 17:01.06 | Zolden | it look like combined of 2 buttons |
| 17:01.33 | Zolden | I only changed hover image and image in normal mode |
| 17:05.16 | kingTD | wine or cider? |
| 17:06.40 | Zolden | monkey or jump? |
| 17:08.18 | G0A | that looks awful:) |
| 17:08.41 | G0A | just use battlenet buttons... |
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| 17:09.59 | kingTD | it look decent :P |
| 17:10.19 | G0A | maybe with different text style |
| 17:10.25 | duckies | it somehow looks zolden-styled |
| 17:10.56 | duckies | but I'd rather prefer it to look normal stramlined :| |
| 17:11.10 | duckies | *streamlined |
| 17:12.33 | Zolden | i'd use any button that would make it look different and not fucked |
| 17:13.09 | Zolden | what "image type" I should use to apply what kind of image? |
| 17:14.33 | duckies | zolden, have you seen this? http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/27900-dialogs-making-better-dialogs-intermediate/#p1 |
| 17:15.20 | duckies | ah damn, right, it just shows frames, not button borders, nevermind |
| 17:15.35 | Zolden | duckies ty, checking it |
| 17:16.07 | duckies | anyway zol, just type "normalpressed" in browser and scroll through pretty buttons |
| 17:17.07 | Zolden | ok, lemme try |
| 17:17.11 | duckies | if they are all cut up, it's "border style" if they are split in 2 , it's endcap, if it's just 2 normal images on top and bottom it's "normal" type |
| 17:22.14 | Stewox | it's starting holy smokes any minute now http://cometison.gsfc.nasa.gov/ |
| 17:28.08 | Stewox | all the links if anyone interested http://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/1rn7fb/rspace_comet_ison_perihelion_party_thread_get_in/ |
| 17:33.06 | Zolden | can I set image type for hover image? |
| 17:33.56 | Zolden | i've applied the image i like, but button still look like it has additional pair of borders at left and right |
| 17:34.07 | Zolden | http://i.snag.gy/0oFSt.jpg |
| 17:34.11 | Zolden | what can cause it? |
| 17:35.13 | G0A | Zolden when will you fix your map?! |
| 17:37.25 | Zolden | G0A I think that situation was super rare, and i don't know what cause it |
| 17:37.49 | Zolden | and I have a balance update ready, jsut need to fix this buttons situation |
| 17:38.18 | Ahli | damned, I can't hold off 3.5 waves of those 20 armor golems :X |
| 17:38.31 | Zolden | lol |
| 17:38.35 | Ahli | with a second oil I would have won that >_> |
| 17:38.44 | Ahli | moar battle tanks, had enough angels to tank |
| 17:38.52 | Zolden | Ahli hint: rantged units suck vs those golems, magical one would rape |
| 17:39.11 | G0A | Ahli come play with us:D |
| 17:39.12 | Ahli | I get battle tanks with their huge damage :) |
| 17:39.23 | Ahli | invite => sc2 doesn't blink |
| 17:39.32 | Ahli | someone talks in party chat => sc2 blinks |
| 17:40.21 | A1win | interesting, the energy orbs suddenly look a lot better when I simply just changed their color: http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a101/SC2%202013-11-28%2019-38-52-09.jpg |
| 17:51.57 | A1win | oh yeah, there WAS one bug in last test, didn't remember it because it was in the lobby :P |
| 17:52.02 | A1win | the limited color selection |
| 17:52.18 | A1win | err |
| 17:52.24 | A1win | it's not limited O.o |
| 17:53.05 | A1win | according to game variant |
| 17:56.27 | A1win | made minimap icons slightly larger than they were before and imported a smoother icon for them |
| 17:56.29 | A1win | looks nice o: |
| 17:56.53 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a101/SC2%202013-11-28%2019-56-29-78.jpg |
| 17:57.04 | A1win | whatever I can do to procrastinate from creating new abilities ;p |
| 18:08.20 | Serashin | make a testrun |
| 18:08.26 | Serashin | i maybe got some players who join too |
| 18:08.43 | Serashin | Alwin |
| 18:13.47 | A1win | alright |
| 18:13.56 | A1win | anyone else up for test? |
| 18:20.04 | Zolden | would they group of ui aestetics experts consider this leaderboard look better? http://i.snag.gy/SP3jM.jpg |
| 18:20.26 | Zolden | kingTD what would you, as the main lb criticist, say? |
| 18:21.06 | kingTD | sadly its blue but sure looks best |
| 18:21.13 | Serashin | +2 for testing |
| 18:21.14 | Serashin | fast |
| 18:21.16 | Serashin | alwin map |
| 18:21.20 | Serashin | come twodie and zolden |
| 18:21.39 | Zolden | i'd like to, but i so want to finish the shitty dialogs |
| 18:21.48 | kingTD | since the other races UI makes it look shit like the green colors of terran and Zerg orange |
| 18:22.02 | JademusSreg | Flarg. |
| 18:22.03 | Zolden | kingTD we'll see |
| 18:22.12 | A1win | JademusSreg, care to join a test? |
| 18:22.14 | kingTD | Playing with Ahli G0A and duckies |
| 18:22.18 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 18:22.26 | Serashin | yay |
| 18:22.27 | Serashin | +1 |
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| 18:30.10 | mille25 | hey |
| 18:35.42 | kingTD | Zolden seems like expanding and upgrading anything for gold is shit. |
| 18:36.26 | kingTD | upgrading gold mines is just dumb idea in general |
| 18:36.31 | kingTD | for gold |
| 18:36.43 | kingTD | as it wont pay of in the entire game |
| 18:40.48 | kingTD | Zolden if you still like exploration for resources, mb add way to discover resources in the stacks like boost |
| 18:41.17 | kingTD | example destroying rocks would give you 10 rich woman |
| 18:43.15 | duckies | zold, looks better |
| 18:43.38 | JademusSreg | A1, I saw you coming after me. =D |
| 18:43.39 | duckies | or, looks more fit to the game |
| 18:43.43 | duckies | less glassy though |
| 18:43.49 | mille25 | new ingame item database! :D https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1456006_568537983217537_1657836987_n.png |
| 18:44.10 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 18:44.11 | G0A | Zolden you should make more free area and the further area you from the center of the map the less rocks area.... |
| 18:44.12 | kingTD | wow more colors plz |
| 18:44.22 | A1win | imbadrones |
| 18:44.27 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:44.31 | Serashin | ye he just sit at max range |
| 18:44.33 | duckies | all those items have a very distinct and unique visual feel to them mille |
| 18:44.34 | Serashin | spam drones |
| 18:44.37 | Serashin | run in circle |
| 18:44.41 | JademusSreg | "If JademusSreg can win the game with it, it's imba." |
| 18:44.47 | A1win | ;3 |
| 18:45.03 | A1win | there are no other long range weapons |
| 18:45.18 | Serashin | i think dps to high , as you can anways swap weapons |
| 18:45.20 | kingTD | duckies agreed... |
| 18:45.22 | JademusSreg | That's the same reasoning I use when I balance content. I play like a coward. |
| 18:45.22 | Serashin | hp is ok if damage is lower |
| 18:45.35 | A1win | hehe |
| 18:45.39 | Serashin | so u can zone a little bit |
| 18:45.43 | Serashin | but he just spam o.o |
| 18:46.17 | mille25 | haha, well, we have about 1000 items or so, its pretty hard to find unique icons for each, ryan will probably redo some of the icons later |
| 18:46.21 | mille25 | its all body platings though |
| 18:46.32 | G0A | mille25 color the equippable hero text in the items if you have that hero... |
| 18:46.40 | A1win | mmh might be better to decrease drone hp though |
| 18:46.41 | duckies | also, mille25, can't you make class listing via icons instead of text, kinda takes way too much of screen space |
| 18:47.01 | A1win | so you can actually survive them by shooting at them |
| 18:47.08 | Serashin | ye both works |
| 18:47.09 | mille25 | yeah thats a kinda cool idea actually |
| 18:47.12 | duckies | makes me want to vomit with all the text overload on screen :/ |
| 18:47.13 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 18:47.17 | Serashin | till next run make rocks :D |
| 18:47.19 | Serashin | from all sides |
| 18:47.22 | Serashin | randomized |
| 18:47.52 | G0A | :DDD |
| 18:48.10 | G0A | and add monkey jump item |
| 18:48.15 | JademusSreg | still wants a gravity beam. |
| 18:48.17 | duckies | :D |
| 18:48.49 | A1win | JademusSreg, bending beam? didn't turn out too great |
| 18:49.14 | Serashin | if it has a visual , a load up time , and a reasonable duration |
| 18:49.18 | Serashin | can be "decent" |
| 18:50.28 | JademusSreg | Left click grab, right click launch. =D |
| 18:50.35 | A1win | ohh |
| 18:50.46 | A1win | grab what? :P |
| 18:51.03 | A1win | anything |
| 18:51.03 | A1win | ? |
| 18:51.04 | JademusSreg | Like the Half-Life 2 Gravity Gun, |
| 18:51.09 | A1win | mm |
| 18:51.31 | JademusSreg | Grab stuff, like players, projectiles, asteroids, and launch those fuckers. |
| 18:52.33 | A1win | saw the tooltips? |
| 18:52.43 | JademusSreg | Yep. Very nice. |
| 18:53.04 | A1win | spent all yesterday and part of today on them <.< |
| 18:53.30 | JademusSreg | Mission accomplished. |
| 18:53.37 | A1win | inserts numeric values into text entries |
| 18:55.07 | A1win | is the tooltip position fine or should it be somewhere else? |
| 18:55.29 | A1win | it's center of screen now |
| 18:56.01 | JademusSreg | It's difficult to ignore, and only appears during loadout selection, so I think it's decent. |
| 18:58.18 | A1win | cloaking device could be nice for cathing long-range JademusSregs off-guard |
| 18:59.02 | A1win | from now on, half of my design decisions will be figuring out how to make the game more difficult for you |
| 18:59.28 | Serashin | cloak fits to the game |
| 19:00.39 | A1win | will add a seeker missile ability that costs 1 energy |
| 19:00.48 | A1win | slowly moving missile that can be shot |
| 19:00.56 | A1win | (not too slowly) |
| 19:01.15 | kingTD | "You know when youve got a deadline looming and lots of work to do, almost anything seems more interesting than work..." |
| 19:02.38 | grim001 | I'm having difficulty with multiple mobiles moving around on a grid-based map when they have different movement speeds... sometimes it doesn't look pretty when they try to walk into one another. |
| 19:03.01 | grim001 | It's mostly a conceptual issue of defining what should happen in some edge cases... |
| 19:12.00 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 19:13.48 | JademusSreg | Sometimes edge cases give birth to mechanics in their own right. I imagine that's how parry blocks in fighting games emerged. =D |
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| 19:20.29 | grim001 | Good point... I'm trying to figure out what should happen when a unit with faster movespeed walks directly behind a unit with slower movespeed and constantly bumps into it. |
| 19:21.17 | grim001 | It looks quite ugly if the unit in the rear has to constantly stutter-step. Attempting to make them match speeds temporarily looks nice, but causes issues from a game mechanics perspective... |
| 19:21.58 | A1win | can't you just slow the unit down? |
| 19:24.35 | grim001 | That was the first idea I considered, but that approach caused issues. Difficult to describe because the walking mechanics are more complex than one would assume at first. |
| 19:29.27 | JademusSreg | I'd propose a bump acceleration mechanic. |
| 19:38.36 | grim001 | It's not hard to notice when the units "bump" into each other. The hard part is temporarily adjusting movement speed, since walking motion works like a simulation calculated from a fixed start point. That was the only way I could achieve perfect smoothness when the camera is locked onto the player. |
| 19:38.43 | mille25 | hey JademusSreg, did i already show you this? http://pastebin.com/JBbxKsCm |
| 19:39.02 | mille25 | thats probably the worst function ive ever written :D |
| 19:40.22 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:41.45 | JademusSreg | Needs moar math |
| 19:43.13 | mille25 | and more lines of course |
| 19:43.27 | JademusSreg | Nuuu |
| 19:43.33 | JademusSreg | Anything but that. |
| 19:43.55 | mille25 | :( |
| 19:45.31 | JademusSreg | Any function which cannot be described without using "and" should refactored. =D |
| 19:46.11 | grim001 | Unless you're working with multiple threads and it needs to be atomic... |
| 19:46.45 | JademusSreg | Hm, I suppose that is a fair point, I grant tentatively. |
| 19:46.47 | mille25 | id say every function being too long for your screen to display in total should be refactored, too, hehe |
| 19:47.20 | Ahli | the worst thing I've ever written is my river and bridge creation code :X |
| 19:48.34 | mille25 | :D |
| 19:49.45 | Ahli | well, all of my dungeon generation functions are kind of messy :D |
| 19:49.57 | mille25 | the problem was that i just had about 1 hour left and i needed to come up with smth that worked |
| 19:50.04 | mille25 | didnt have time to find a more elegant solution .D |
| 19:50.30 | Ahli | why do you have a deadline? |
| 19:50.41 | mille25 | well... homework :P |
| 19:51.35 | Ahli | ahh :D |
| 19:51.38 | JademusSreg | mille juggles SCU work and coursework masterfully. |
| 19:52.05 | mille25 | yep, but it gets more and more difficult. in the past i could just do my homework in about 30-60mins, but now it gets so complex that i need several hours to complete one subject. |
| 19:52.35 | mille25 | especially image processing and artificial intelligence courses are difficuly |
| 19:53.20 | Ahli | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3283 look at my mess that works fine |
| 19:53.42 | mille25 | what the.. :D |
| 19:54.38 | Ahli | no arrays for parameters => it looks terrible ;D |
| 19:54.38 | mille25 | does the GUI even still respond in that huge action? |
| 19:54.50 | Ahli | yes |
| 19:54.57 | mille25 | haha |
| 19:55.03 | JademusSreg | Did some tests the other night with GUI script macros. #CUSTOM automatically inserts linebreaks before and after code, but the ugly code compiles fine. Made some macros to test various operators for a given type. |
| 19:55.06 | Ahli | pretty good actually |
| 19:55.34 | mille25 | gui works okay, there is just two flaws which annoy me to hell right now |
| 19:55.46 | mille25 | 1) adding new parameters to functions takes forever, as does changing their data type |
| 19:55.49 | JademusSreg | Record link breaking? |
| 19:56.00 | Ahli | 1, exactly :D |
| 19:56.02 | mille25 | 2) cant paste values into left side of conditions or assignments |
| 19:58.44 | JademusSreg | I'll explain the process I used. |
| 20:00.39 | mille25 | need to reopen this using firefox... chrome once again doesnt autoscroll |
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| 20:02.41 | JademusSreg | Action definition with Sub-Functions, added sub-functions of type Custom Script and an additional sub-function for the operator. Custom script in the action definition refered to the custom script subfunctions using #SUBFUNCS(someSubfuncIdentifier), and it worked damn well, haha. |
| 20:04.49 | mille25 | hm wondering if i should start learning some c#... according to the index its the 3rd most used programming language and it seems to have some cool features which java misses |
| 20:06.02 | JademusSreg | It's easy. And it doesn't suffer Java's divided type model. |
| 20:07.07 | mille25 | okay actually its the 5th most used |
| 20:07.13 | mille25 | objective-c is 3rd |
| 20:07.17 | mille25 | hmm... |
| 20:07.25 | mille25 | isnt that like an apple thing? :D |
| 20:07.34 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 20:07.38 | mille25 | bah. :D |
| 20:07.44 | JademusSreg | It's definitely like an apple thing. |
| 20:08.00 | mille25 | why dont they just use c++... god damn.. |
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| 20:08.57 | mille25 | i got a quick introduction into objective-c a couple weeks ago and it looked pretty gay. |
| 20:09.26 | JademusSreg | Not sure how a programming language could be homosexual. |
| 20:09.44 | JademusSreg | Though it would be an amusing intellectual exercise to design one. |
| 20:09.47 | mille25 | okay, lets say... shitty. |
| 20:10.21 | JademusSreg | iirc, Deaod has experience with Objective C. |
| 20:10.32 | Deaod | very little |
| 20:10.39 | mille25 | im just surprised that its actually 3rd |
| 20:10.45 | mille25 | didnt expect it to be so far spread |
| 20:11.07 | JademusSreg | OS X and iOS. No surprise here. |
| 20:11.08 | mille25 | im also surprised that C is #1... probably from all the embedded systems |
| 20:11.50 | G0A | mille25 link to that list? |
| 20:12.01 | mille25 | im just wondering why they dont use c++ for embedded systems, we did that in school. |
| 20:12.16 | mille25 | http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html |
| 20:12.20 | Deaod | too much overhead im guessing |
| 20:12.23 | mille25 | probably missing compilers for some processors. |
| 20:12.31 | mille25 | nah, overhead is basically 0 compared to C |
| 20:12.39 | mille25 | especially since you can actually code C-like in c++ if needed |
| 20:13.06 | Zolden | ,l,l,l,l,lfr..............................;/u l]; y |
| 20:13.13 | Zolden | cat's message to all of you |
| 20:13.58 | mille25 | i guess its because of missing compilers |
| 20:14.06 | mille25 | c++ compilers are waaaay more complex than C compilers |
| 20:14.26 | JademusSreg | Don't forget legacy systems. Once entrenched, an institution can take forever to update, if ever. =D |
| 20:15.23 | Deaod | well, LLVM could alleviate that, seeing how youd just need to plug in something to generate the assembly |
| 20:17.24 | grim001 | I like Java... that's all I have to contribute to this discussion |
| 20:17.58 | mille25 | java is a great language though |
| 20:18.05 | mille25 | never do smth wrong if you learn java :D |
| 20:18.12 | JademusSreg | I enjoy C# more than Java, but Java is pretty nice. |
| 20:18.22 | Ahli | yeahhhhh COBOL |
| 20:18.29 | JademusSreg | Kobold. |
| 20:18.33 | mille25 | :D |
| 20:19.02 | Ahli | I've taught myself that language for a seminar... kind of cool... you write poetry... :D |
| 20:19.34 | Deaod | can i throw in JASS? |
| 20:19.42 | JademusSreg | =| |
| 20:19.50 | Ahli | SC1 triggers :X |
| 20:20.14 | Deaod | actually, its JASS2, nobody knows what happened to JASS1 |
| 20:20.25 | Ahli | C: Always A: Preserve Trigger; Wait(0); Wait(0); Wait(0); Wait(0); Wait(0); Wait(0); Wait(0); Wait(0); Wait(0); Wait(0); Wait(0); Wait(0); Wait(0); Wait(0); Wait(0); ...... |
| 20:20.43 | Deaod | rumor has it that the compiler spontaneously caught fire |
| 20:21.33 | mille25 | did sc1 actually "compile" the gui code into some sort of own scripting language? |
| 20:21.40 | mille25 | or was just the gui visible? |
| 20:22.26 | Ahli | sc1 only had GUI code visible. The rest was translated into some internal code I do not know... I think it's a unreadable mess aka bytecode, afaIk. |
| 20:23.06 | Ahli | but scmdraft (third party editor) added a way to write triggers in some sort of code |
| 20:23.49 | JademusSreg | Community utilities were so terrible back then, haha. |
| 20:25.17 | mille25 | the sc2 editor has advanced A LOT from wc3 |
| 20:25.38 | mille25 | you couldnt even create functions in GUI back then |
| 20:25.43 | mille25 | just triggers if i remember right |
| 20:25.53 | Deaod | im tempted to argue that there have actually been regressions |
| 20:25.56 | grim001 | I don't know if I'd call it "advanced" |
| 20:26.06 | Ahli | scmdraft had some cool functions the sc2 terrain editor could require... |
| 20:26.26 | grim001 | at the least, WC3's community mods made WC3 much more pleasant to mod than SC2 has managed so far |
| 20:26.35 | Ahli | for example: select a unit, hit enter to open the property window, then you could just write a number and the owner of these units changed to that player number |
| 20:27.04 | Ahli | basically it's just which option has the focus in the properties window, but sc2's focus in that window is something stupid like a tag |
| 20:27.12 | mille25 | haha |
| 20:27.25 | mille25 | yeah small things like that can be very annoying. |
| 20:27.50 | mille25 | i have to say im pretty happy with the trigger editor in its current state though |
| 20:27.59 | mille25 | except the issues i pointed out earlier |
| 20:28.07 | grim001 | I was so annoyed by it that I decided to go make a real game. |
| 20:28.31 | mille25 | lol |
| 20:30.00 | Deaod | if you want to write galaxy code, the text editor within SC2s editor is TERRIBLE for any serious amount of programming work |
| 20:30.07 | mille25 | thats true. |
| 20:30.18 | Serashin | same here grim |
| 20:30.25 | Serashin | however i gave up after 2 weeks :D |
| 20:30.33 | Deaod | hell, its missing LINE NUMBERS |
| 20:30.35 | Ahli | every text editor in the sc2 editor is terrible |
| 20:30.44 | grim001 | so far I've been working on my game for... maybe 50 days |
| 20:30.52 | Ahli | for me, it's just an interface to paste your code into :X |
| 20:31.04 | grim001 | and my enthusiasm hasn't dampened a bit |
| 20:31.39 | mille25 | didnt someone write a notepad++ plugin for galaxy though? |
| 20:32.00 | grim001 | that was me |
| 20:32.05 | mille25 | :D |
| 20:32.06 | Serashin | so what ur planing on doing |
| 20:32.18 | Serashin | im like a gamer with lots of apm for testing etc |
| 20:33.00 | Serashin | im also pretty good at giving harsh feedback |
| 20:33.26 | JademusSreg | We've got a np++ highlighter for galaxy shit, yeah. Passed it back and forth for a time. |
| 20:34.06 | mille25 | but is it actually practical to use an external program to code? dont you always have to manually enter unit ids, effect ids, texture ids and such? |
| 20:34.07 | JademusSreg | Ultimately impractical with Scintilla's limitations. |
| 20:34.10 | mille25 | isnt that a huge pain in the ass? |
| 20:34.55 | JademusSreg | Why would I manually enter ids when I can use User Data? |
| 20:35.31 | mille25 | well lets say you want to order a unit to cast a certain ability, as an example. |
| 20:35.47 | mille25 | wouldnt you then have to manually find the ability id from the data editor and insert it? |
| 20:37.08 | kingTD | Zolden rq |
| 20:37.14 | grim001 | I guess the solution to my previously mentioned walking issues is to limit the unit walking into the tile to the same progress as the unit walking out of the tile. But it is a bit jarring when a fast unit walks into the same tile a slow unit is moving out of. |
| 20:37.22 | JademusSreg | Content-code separation; don't want content data embedded in the code. Use User Data, iterate its instances and assign values to code structures or otherwise query as needed. |
| 20:39.25 | mille25 | but how would that work for abilities, as an example? |
| 20:39.39 | Ahli | user data for everything |
| 20:40.00 | Ahli | user data all the things! |
| 20:40.59 | mille25 | i dont understand. |
| 20:41.12 | JademusSreg | I'm not sure what you're asking mille. The User Data type allows one to define fields and instances, so a field could be type Game Link Ability and link to ability data, one gets the value of the field of a given instance and has the id for the ability. |
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| 20:42.44 | JademusSreg | (Which reminds me, Starbound is using JSON for content data and scripting. Pretty neat.) |
| 20:43.32 | mille25 | but how would you find the user data instance containing the link to the attack spell? |
| 20:43.42 | mille25 | or whatever it may be. |
| 20:44.19 | JademusSreg | Iterate all the instances of the type and use the instance field values to initialize the values of code structures. |
| 20:45.44 | A1win | blöörg |
| 20:45.54 | JademusSreg | Basic data serialization sorta stuf. |
| 20:45.56 | JademusSreg | HAha |
| 20:45.58 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 20:46.08 | mille25 | i still dont understand how it would practically work. |
| 20:47.44 | JademusSreg | (For reference, see how the HotS campaign maps make use of user data.) |
| 20:48.02 | kingTD | Zolden or any other peeps maybe know the game that plays like Settlers 2-3 but have fantasy units and shit? |
| 20:50.03 | JademusSreg | (Age of Mythology>) |
| 20:50.15 | kingTD | nations |
| 20:50.22 | kingTD | http://www.gog.com/game/the_nations_gold_edition |
| 20:54.22 | Zolden | kingTD why are you curious? to play? or to play and remake for sc2? |
| 20:54.52 | Ahli | settlers 2 and 3 play completly different |
| 20:54.57 | kingTD | will make some simulation going |
| 20:55.18 | kingTD | mostly Knights and Merchants gameplay style |
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| 20:57.38 | Ahli | just make a cool minigame map like raynor party, just better |
| 20:57.58 | kingTD | what? why? |
| 20:58.07 | Ahli | sc2 lacks that |
| 20:58.13 | Ahli | also, great for mapnights |
| 20:58.35 | kingTD | we have plenty of games for map nights |
| 20:58.43 | Ahli | require even moar |
| 21:11.39 | kingTD | hmm adding more resources like in Anno would give more trading ability and complexity.. Well that will have to leave for zolden :P |
| 21:26.18 | kingTD | Zolden the leaderboard button now blends in with the background remove transperancy for it |
| 21:27.07 | kingTD | playing alone loads elo? so when now im left i lost some of it? :O |
| 21:29.44 | A1win | any way to convert Key preset into a string/text? <.< |
| 21:30.05 | A1win | or will I have to manually assign a name for each key |
| 21:30.09 | mille25 | A1win: nope. presets are just constants, no way to get their string identifier as far asi know. |
| 21:30.42 | mille25 | preset values just get replaced by literals in galaxy code. |
| 21:30.49 | A1win | yeah just thought that maybe there already is some built in thing to get it |
| 21:31.02 | mille25 | not that i would know |
| 22:05.06 | JademusSreg | As mille said, it inserts the literal value into code. Convenient construct, but bad for code. Best used only for the most primitive enums. |
| 22:05.07 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 22:12.18 | A1win | refactoring my input stuff, lets you assign two keys to one action (or any number I set this array size to, but more than two is just overkill) |
| 22:12.32 | A1win | now I just need to make an UI that lets you change those keys |
| 22:13.13 | mille25 | i dont like doing ui anymore |
| 22:13.18 | mille25 | its always so repeditive |
| 22:13.26 | mille25 | and needs so much testing until it looks decent :D |
| 22:13.39 | A1win | mm ;p |
| 22:14.00 | A1win | I keep hitting test document after every little change I make when fine-tuning some UI stuff |
| 22:14.08 | mille25 | yep |
| 22:14.28 | mille25 | got a ton of helper functions which assist me though |
| 22:17.18 | A1win | speaking of UI functions, made these two color functions: https://pastee.org/q6n6b https://pastee.org/3gkz5 |
| 22:18.30 | A1win | makes me want to just use them anywhere I can ;p |
| 22:19.31 | A1win | main purpose for the luminosity function is to make player colors brighter so that they don't disappear on black background |
| 22:20.29 | A1win | difference: http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a99/SC2%202013-11-26%2022-04-02-80.jpg |
| 22:20.34 | A1win | can't apply it to chat :( |
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| 22:33.36 | A1win | hmm... how can I remove tooltip from a dialog item after I use Set Dialog Item Custom Tooltip |
| 22:33.49 | A1win | if I set it to No Dialog Item, it gives an error |
| 22:34.00 | mille25 | uhm... |
| 22:35.34 | mille25 | try custom script "null" |
| 22:35.36 | mille25 | without " |
| 22:36.13 | A1win | Parameter type does not match the function definition |
| 22:39.55 | mille25 | hmm :D |
| 22:39.59 | mille25 | yeah that makes sense |
| 22:40.09 | mille25 | custom tooltips are dialog items, too, and therefore integers |
| 22:40.16 | mille25 | if no dialog item doesnt work i have no idea though |
| 22:40.59 | A1win | well I'll just disable that dialog item and enable a copy of it I guess <.< |
| 22:41.01 | mille25 | did you try setting the custom tooltips text to "" or null? |
| 22:41.27 | A1win | hmmf |
| 22:41.42 | A1win | it has lots of stuff inside it |
| 22:41.48 | mille25 | it will most likely not work but for default tooltips it hides them if the text is null or empty |
| 22:41.50 | A1win | two labels, icon, two borders |
| 22:42.29 | mille25 | or cant you create a second, hidden tooltip, and then set the custom tooltip to the hidden tooltip? |
| 22:42.54 | A1win | I could, but seems I'd have to create a template and stuff for the hidden one first |
| 22:43.09 | A1win | tried to just create a Tooltip dialog item with triggers, and it kept showing up even though it was empty |
| 22:56.30 | JademusSreg | Brak. |
| 22:58.22 | A1win | interesting... if I allow right mouse button to be used on a button, if I right click outside the button and then mouse mouse over the button and release right mouse, I don't get a right mouse button up event |
| 22:58.29 | A1win | but I do for left mouse |
| 22:59.12 | JademusSreg | That is interesting. |
| 22:59.53 | A1win | err |
| 23:00.04 | A1win | actually it happens even if right mouse is NOT allowed on the button |
| 23:00.31 | JademusSreg | Gibt es ein problem mit dialogsteuerung? |
| 23:00.59 | A1win | so I can start shooting with secondary, move mouse over a button, release right mouse, and it keeps shooting until I click right mouse down again |
| 23:01.01 | mille25 | *Gibt es ein Problem mit der Dialogsteuerung? |
| 23:01.07 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:01.12 | A1win | even happens with the default menu buttons |
| 23:01.13 | mille25 | IT FEELS AWESOME TO CORRECT JADEMUS! :D |
| 23:01.19 | JademusSreg | Figured I'd mess something up, thanks mille. =D |
| 23:01.48 | A1win | even in the F10 menu |
| 23:01.51 | JademusSreg | Achievement Get: Sreg'd Jademus |
| 23:02.26 | A1win | oh well not a gamebreaking and probably not even an annoying issue |
| 23:02.36 | JademusSreg | Good to know, A1. |
| 23:02.58 | A1win | hmm we discussed a similar issue some time ago |
| 23:03.12 | A1win | it had something to do with the event giving wrong button as the used button |
| 23:03.13 | A1win | or something |
| 23:03.20 | JademusSreg | Oh, I may have an idea as to the cause. |
| 23:03.39 | JademusSreg | Could be the hit test frame. |
| 23:04.17 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/paste/7445/ line 471 |
| 23:05.58 | A1win | mmh there is no event at all in this case |
| 23:06.12 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 23:06.26 | A1win | if I release right mouse on a button, there is no Mouse Clicked event |
| 23:07.10 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/dsvjk |
| 23:07.32 | JademusSreg | Dunno what your code looks like, but this is the dialog control event API. |
| 23:07.33 | A1win | yeah dialog events work |
| 23:07.41 | A1win | but I'm talking about mouse clicked event |
| 23:07.46 | A1win | not dialog item clicked |
| 23:08.21 | JademusSreg | Ah. Now I'm not sure what we're talking about. haha. What's the situation? |
| 23:08.25 | A1win | :P |
| 23:09.14 | A1win | just as I just said, if I hold down right mouse button outside a dialog button and then release the right mouse button on *any* dialog button, the game doesn't generate a mouse clicked up event |
| 23:09.40 | A1win | I guess same goes for mouse down |
| 23:09.48 | A1win | it works with left mouse, but not with right |
| 23:10.54 | JademusSreg | That's interesting. Care to code a demo map? Or paste the relevant code? |
| 23:11.24 | A1win | it's just the event and a debug message |
| 23:11.34 | A1win | you can test it with the default UI menu buttons |
| 23:11.46 | A1win | any player clicks any mouse button down |
| 23:11.50 | A1win | any player clicks any mouse button up |
| 23:12.18 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 23:12.22 | A1win | when I left-click or right-click a button, neither of those events happen |
| 23:12.40 | A1win | when I hold down left mouse button outside a button, I get mouse clicked down (as usual) |
| 23:12.44 | A1win | same for right button |
| 23:13.11 | A1win | if I keep the button held down and move mouse over any button, release the mouse button, left mouse generates mouse up event, and right mouse doesn't |
| 23:13.42 | A1win | @_o |
| 23:13.49 | A1win | weirdest exception |
| 23:13.54 | JademusSreg | That suggests asynchronous interface handling takes priority over synchronous event detection. I can imagine the flow control involved, haha. |
| 23:13.56 | A1win | if I hold down BOTH buttons |
| 23:14.01 | A1win | and move them on the dialog button |
| 23:14.10 | A1win | and release them, I get events for both |
| 23:14.25 | A1win | but only if I release right button firsdt |
| 23:14.27 | A1win | *first |
| 23:15.02 | JademusSreg | A1, this is definitely something worth documenting. If you don't, I imagine Kueken or Ahli might do so, haha. |
| 23:15.08 | A1win | hehe |
| 23:15.53 | Zolden | the fact that i jsut farted worth documenting |
| 23:16.36 | JademusSreg | BUG REPORT: Mouse input events cause Zolden to fart. Pls fix |
| 23:16.39 | Kueken | nah, Kueken too lazy, just grins about the obscurity |
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| 23:17.39 | Kueken | unless someone can bring up the practical usefulness of this behavior |
| 23:18.30 | A1win | well not so much about usefulness of the behavior, but usefulness of knowing to avoid it :P |
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| 23:18.59 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of strange behavior back when I made Identificationary; mouse input events could still be triggered when the game was paused, so one could hold down the mouse button, pause, draw all over, unpause the game, and cause all the events to fire at once, often hit the thread limit. |
| 23:19.17 | JademusSreg | Dunno if that was ever fixed. |
| 23:19.19 | A1win | <.< |
| 23:20.21 | A1win | apparently not :P |
| 23:20.36 | A1win | err |
| 23:20.51 | A1win | so you could basically crash any map that uses mouse events? <.< |
| 23:21.41 | A1win | well this is stupid :x |
| 23:22.11 | A1win | I guess you'd have to spam them quite a lot in this map before it breaks though |
| 23:22.44 | JademusSreg | Yeah, unlikely to hit the thread limit from mouse movement events alone in normal circumstances. 1024 mouse movement events in around 44ms (assuming Faster). |
| 23:23.26 | A1win | but they still get stacked up while the game is paused |
| 23:23.38 | JademusSreg | Assuming 14 players, each would need to contribute around 74 mouse movement events each. |
| 23:23.52 | JademusSreg | Yes, in that case a single player could easily do it. |
| 23:24.10 | JademusSreg | On the plus side, it doesn't necessarily kill a map. |
| 23:24.39 | A1win | yeaaahw I just done it |
| 23:24.43 | A1win | hmm |
| 23:24.46 | JademusSreg | So long as the main update thread isn't both last in the stack -and- doesn't propagate itself, it won't break a map. |
| 23:24.48 | A1win | just an error though |
| 23:24.50 | A1win | didn't break the game |
| 23:25.36 | JademusSreg | By propagate, I mean the thread starts a new thread rather than merely wait a tick. |
| 23:26.12 | A1win | mmm |
| 23:26.23 | A1win | no idea how to manage the stack order though ;p |
| 23:26.42 | A1win | but I think when I tested, the main thread was always first before input events |
| 23:26.59 | A1win | which causes a tiny extra delay |
| 23:27.06 | A1win | but maybe worth it :P |
| 23:28.18 | JademusSreg | Well, regarding similar events, it's FIFO; the order of event declaration, the order of execution, the order from which they return from sleeping. |
| 23:28.54 | A1win | I just keep adding more stuff to my TODO list every time I finish something <.< |
| 23:29.03 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:29.29 | JademusSreg | Better than abandoning it entirely. Soon, you might even finish it. |
| 23:30.05 | A1win | now it has: name, loading screen, ship and planet models, score screen, respawn logic to spawn away from other players, a couple moroe abilities, hotkey customization, banked loadouts and hotkeys, some kind of a basis for achievement / unlock system |
| 23:30.18 | A1win | first one counts as rand(1,1000) |
| 23:30.48 | A1win | then there's a big would be nice list ;p |
| 23:31.45 | A1win | and models I need someone else *cough* Zolden *cough* to do |
| 23:37.13 | JademusSreg | Weapon proposals: Graviton Beam, Plasma Vent, Force Shell, Singularity Gun, Gamma-ray Emitter, Mag-Mine Deployer, Nanite Colony |
| 23:38.18 | A1win | what does gamma ray emitter and nanite colony do? :x |
| 23:38.21 | A1win | *do |
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| 23:39.48 | Zolden | :) |
| 23:40.36 | JademusSreg | Graviton Beam (HL2 Gravity Gun), Plasma Vent (aoe splash flamethrower), Force Shell (controlled collidable entity), Singularity Gun (penetrating projectile), Gamma-ray Emitter (laser-like, deals increasingly more damage), Mag-Mine Deployer (just like the mag-mines in the HotS space mission), Nanite Colony (DoT debuff) |
| 23:44.07 | JademusSreg | A gamma-ray pulse like that emitted from blackhole genesis is energetic enough to transmute the chemical composition of a planet's atmosphere and cause mind-bogglingly powerful electrical storms. |
| 23:44.07 | Kueken | needs moar penis |
| 23:44.34 | JademusSreg | So one imagines a smaller version would be a neat weapon. |
| 23:45.35 | Kueken | needs a catchy name, though, Blackhole Genesis Gamma-Ray Emitter seems a little long |
| 23:46.06 | JademusSreg | For Kueken, I'd suggest Blackhole Penetrator. |
| 23:46.18 | Kueken | for the penis problem, I propose the Plasma Ejaculator |
