| 00:01.19 | Bounty | 04:32.31DogmaiIf you refuse to work and your family refuses to support you then you should die |
| 00:01.38 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:04.15 | Bounty | Is there anyway to even see the average number of players that play Arcade? |
| 00:04.21 | Bounty | To see if it has gone up |
| 00:07.20 | JademusSreg | Bnet play stats? Is that a thing or did I imagine it? |
| 00:08.49 | *** join/#sc2mapster rtschutter (~rtschutte@ip174-68-90-32.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 00:09.05 | rtschutter | ah damn...if anyone tried to answer my question my internet DCed for a minute |
| 00:10.38 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 00:11.18 | rtschutter | I was asking why a model placed on the map through triggers might appear for one observer but not another |
| 00:11.22 | rtschutter | observers share an ID |
| 00:11.40 | rtschutter | so I don't see why they aren't showing the same shit |
| 00:11.52 | Moorhsum | odd |
| 00:12.02 | rtschutter | worse |
| 00:12.06 | rtschutter | I have the guy watch a replay |
| 00:12.10 | rtschutter | of the game where he didn't see something |
| 00:12.14 | rtschutter | and now he sees it in the replay |
| 00:12.17 | JademusSreg | Paste your code. |
| 00:12.22 | Moorhsum | are you sure he wasn't just mistaken? |
| 00:12.30 | rtschutter | he was streaming |
| 00:12.32 | rtschutter | a tournament |
| 00:12.38 | rtschutter | I could see the problem on stream |
| 00:12.42 | Moorhsum | ah |
| 00:13.03 | rtschutter | I don't know how to paste code for this |
| 00:13.36 | rtschutter | but I am 99.9% certain it has nothing to do with code but must have something to do with data/actors/models |
| 00:13.51 | JademusSreg | Paste the trigger code first. |
| 00:13.53 | rtschutter | the code places a logo in the mineral line each time a player builds a base |
| 00:14.05 | rtschutter | how? |
| 00:14.44 | JademusSreg | Select all the elements in the trigger and Copy As Text. |
| 00:15.01 | JademusSreg | Hint: It's a context menu option. |
| 00:15.25 | rtschutter | copy into here? |
| 00:15.28 | rtschutter | or somewhere else? |
| 00:15.43 | Moorhsum | pastee.org |
| 00:16.02 | Moorhsum | paste there, submit, paste url here |
| 00:16.10 | rtschutter | what do I set as 'lexer' ? |
| 00:16.24 | JademusSreg | Doesn't matter in this case. |
| 00:16.33 | rtschutter | https://pastee.org/j4n2t |
| 00:17.09 | rtschutter | that is the function that I use for placing decals on the map |
| 00:17.21 | JademusSreg | That naming convention is definitely a thing people would use words to describe. |
| 00:17.53 | Moorhsum | haha |
| 00:20.01 | JademusSreg | What parameters did you use when you called it? =D |
| 00:20.22 | rtschutter | https://pastee.org/7wyzr |
| 00:22.17 | JademusSreg | And the value of Logos.ObserverID? |
| 00:22.24 | rtschutter | 14 |
| 00:22.31 | rtschutter | which is the observer id setup in the map |
| 00:22.46 | rtschutter | keep in mind that he sees logos created using this function sometimes |
| 00:22.48 | rtschutter | but not all the time |
| 00:23.05 | rtschutter | seems about 60% he sees them, 40% he doesnt |
| 00:23.17 | rtschutter | the other observers, including myself and all three of my computer heres |
| 00:23.21 | rtschutter | see them 100% of the time |
| 00:23.30 | JademusSreg | And is this a difference between observers in the same game -or- observers in replays. |
| 00:23.34 | Moorhsum | with the same graphics settings? |
| 00:23.38 | JademusSreg | Dear lord./ |
| 00:23.40 | rtschutter | live game |
| 00:23.48 | JademusSreg | A1 is correct. |
| 00:24.06 | rtschutter | A1? |
| 00:24.10 | Moorhsum | <- A1win |
| 00:24.25 | JademusSreg | Low graphic settings don't display splats and such. |
| 00:24.31 | rtschutter | well first of all |
| 00:24.34 | Bounty | Why the change of name A1? |
| 00:24.42 | rtschutter | low graphics settings do display these logos |
| 00:24.42 | Moorhsum | this is my bot client |
| 00:24.46 | Bounty | Ah |
| 00:24.48 | Moorhsum | waiting for my linux shell to go back online ;p |
| 00:24.53 | rtschutter | and second of all he is streaming a tournament so he uses pretty high settings |
| 00:25.21 | JademusSreg | So it is a specific player. |
| 00:25.32 | rtschutter | yes only one person I know of who is affected |
| 00:26.16 | rtschutter | and unluckily for myself and my mod he is the one that people see on twitch.tv |
| 00:26.49 | rtschutter | and that stream starts up again in an hour |
| 00:27.07 | rtschutter | I have tried everything I can think of |
| 00:27.21 | Moorhsum | sounds like a client side problem |
| 00:27.38 | rtschutter | thats what I was thinking but I can't ask him to reinstall |
| 00:27.46 | rtschutter | red bull considering using my mod this weekend as well |
| 00:27.54 | rtschutter | how can I ask them to use it when I know a problem like this is out there? |
| 00:28.48 | JademusSreg | Pardon, back in 5 |
| 00:30.25 | Moorhsum | suppose it could even be a problem with video card / drivers |
| 00:30.34 | Moorhsum | not necessarily corrupted installation of SC2 |
| 00:31.15 | rtschutter | yeah but it would be weird for it to manifest itself with this one thing in sc |
| 00:33.46 | *** join/#sc2mapster rtschutter (~rtschutte@ip174-68-90-32.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 00:34.00 | rtschutter | dammit |
| 00:34.03 | rtschutter | my internet DC again |
| 00:34.08 | rtschutter | that is another problem I have been having |
| 00:34.09 | Moorhsum | we can see that :P |
| 00:34.16 | rtschutter | about half the time I go to publish a file using the editor |
| 00:34.20 | rtschutter | it DCs me |
| 00:34.38 | rtschutter | I can play a game for hours no DCs. Browse internet...listen to music or stream twitch |
| 00:34.40 | rtschutter | no problems |
| 00:34.44 | rtschutter | go to publish a file? |
| 00:34.44 | rtschutter | DC |
| 00:35.40 | Moorhsum | weird problems you're having D: |
| 00:35.53 | Moorhsum | anyway, I wouldn't worry too much about that decal issue if it only happens for one person |
| 00:35.53 | rtschutter | yes I am not a fan |
| 00:35.56 | Moorhsum | and it's just models anyway |
| 00:36.05 | Moorhsum | I mean just decals, nothing gamebreaking |
| 00:36.33 | rtschutter | yeah but the decals are a pretty huge part of my mod |
| 00:36.59 | Moorhsum | again, if it only happens with one person, I wouldn't worry about it too much |
| 00:37.07 | Moorhsum | when considering having other people use it |
| 00:37.35 | rtschutter | well my sample size isn't very large |
| 00:37.45 | rtschutter | like 7 different computers |
| 00:37.56 | rtschutter | and 1/7 of those is affected |
| 00:40.38 | JademusSreg | Is it a specific location or any location? |
| 00:42.48 | *** join/#sc2mapster rts (~rtschutte@ip174-68-90-32.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 00:42.53 | JademusSreg | Is it a specific location or any location? |
| 00:42.55 | rtschutter | Guess what I did? |
| 00:42.59 | rtschutter | I tried to publish a file! |
| 00:43.21 | rtschutter | The location is generated automatically based on the relative position of the base to the mineral line |
| 00:44.16 | Moorhsum | but does the issue occur in any location or some specific one? |
| 00:44.55 | rtschutter | it appears random but I will review the vods from yesterday to see if it is recurring in the same places on the same maps |
| 00:45.59 | Moorhsum | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a91/ energy system with the blue balls, the E ability costs 3 and the R ability 2 energy (should make that visible on the icon somehow) |
| 00:46.19 | Moorhsum | also should make it somehow visualize regeneration rate |
| 00:46.25 | *** join/#sc2mapster DeadZergling (836ba0b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.160.182) |
| 00:46.55 | Moorhsum | and some better icon for the energy |
| 00:46.57 | DeadZergling | still on Moorhsum huh? |
| 00:46.59 | Moorhsum | DeadZergling, any ideas to each other. |
| 00:47.05 | Moorhsum | yeah, dunno what happened to the shell |
| 00:47.07 | DeadZergling | any ideas about what? |
| 00:47.09 | JademusSreg | Adorable energy dots. |
| 00:47.10 | Moorhsum | DeadZergling, got invited to any different one, no? >_> |
| 00:47.52 | Moorhsum | you can recognize the bot messages by the use of punctuation and capitalized start of sentence |
| 00:48.24 | *** join/#sc2mapster Raziel (~Raziel@2a01:388:201:4190:c4d7:d40e:e2aa:31c7) |
| 00:48.39 | DeadZergling | Moorhsum, is A1win Test map the best map ever? |
| 00:48.40 | Moorhsum | DeadZergling, certainly! |
| 00:48.56 | DeadZergling | Moorhsum, some might disagree, what would you say to persuade them? |
| 00:48.59 | Moorhsum | DeadZergling, we went from steve over 22 levels it! :< |
| 00:49.23 | DeadZergling | Moorhsum, I see, but what about the insane self kill rules? |
| 00:49.25 | Moorhsum | Just get time. |
| 00:49.43 | DeadZergling | hey, having a conversation with the bot, so rude! |
| 00:49.59 | JademusSreg | rts, did you make a custom decal actor and model entry? If so, paste em. |
| 00:50.05 | Moorhsum | it leaves the nick out at random |
| 00:50.13 | Moorhsum | so avoid infinite bot-to-bot conversations |
| 00:51.03 | *** join/#sc2mapster rts (~rtschutte@ip174-68-90-32.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 00:51.09 | DeadZergling | I see, so any time I say Moorhsum , I get a bonus message? |
| 00:51.11 | Moorhsum | DeadZergling, completely understand (1 12, too. |
| 00:51.34 | DeadZergling | I wouldn't say completely, but much more so than yesterday, Moorhsum |
| 00:51.36 | Moorhsum | I misinterpret. |
| 00:51.49 | DeadZergling | yes, you do Moorhsum, and quite often |
| 00:51.51 | Moorhsum | DeadZergling, are only two would know more. ;o |
| 00:52.26 | DeadZergling | Moorhsum, would you care for a game of punching old ladies down on the street? Bounty is already coming I know. |
| 00:52.28 | Moorhsum | DeadZergling, most likely. |
| 00:52.34 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:53.14 | DeadZergling | Of course as we all know Moorhsum, the ladies that old fall down on their own all the time anyways |
| 00:53.16 | Moorhsum | DeadZergling, delphinium reading... :s |
| 00:53.22 | DeadZergling | We are just expediting the process |
| 00:54.42 | DeadZergling | well anyways, my work network decided to go down while we were debating the suicide = -1 rule |
| 00:55.15 | DeadZergling | has Moorhsum seen the light yet? |
| 00:55.16 | Moorhsum | DeadZergling, never. :> |
| 00:55.28 | Moorhsum | the issue is not with the -1 rule, but the rule that it replaces |
| 00:55.58 | DeadZergling | Moorhsum, with that rule though, will your map ever be popular? |
| 00:56.00 | Moorhsum | DeadZergling, and who must hse had a shield. ;( |
| 00:56.17 | DeadZergling | about as good of defense as a1win had |
| 00:56.46 | DeadZergling | I wonder.... |
| 00:57.14 | MoorhsumChatSome | hi, does your bot see this? |
| 00:57.25 | MoorhsumChatSome | nope, apparently Moorhsum does not |
| 00:57.27 | Moorhsum | MoorhsumChatSome, same don't misunderstand I entertain! |
| 00:57.37 | Moorhsum | it handles nicks and messages as separate entities ;p |
| 00:57.54 | MoorhsumChatSome | good thing he doesn't spot himself saying his own name |
| 00:58.24 | Moorhsum | even though I programmed it like 10 years ago, I wasn't a total idiot |
| 00:59.04 | DeadZergling | 10 years ago huh, how many grandchildren do you have, Moorhsum ? |
| 00:59.05 | Moorhsum | DeadZergling, 532. ;o |
| 00:59.16 | DeadZergling | sex machine aren't you |
| 00:59.18 | Moorhsum | I can see. xF |
| 00:59.45 | Bounty | Someone should make Rock of Ages in SC2 |
| 00:59.48 | Bounty | using banelings |
| 01:00.45 | Moorhsum | anyways, the issue with allowing players to deny kills by suicide is that it's so easy to suicide and so easy to react to being about to get killed |
| 01:01.06 | Moorhsum | it's also easier to see *who* is about to kill you due to color coding unlike in FPS deathmatch |
| 01:01.17 | Moorhsum | since the projectiles are so slow in comparison |
| 01:01.31 | Moorhsum | and that you have a full view of your surroundings |
| 01:02.03 | Moorhsum | there is a difference between this game and those FPS deathmatches that makes it easieir to abuse the broken rule that those games also had |
| 01:02.12 | Moorhsum | *easier |
| 01:02.50 | Moorhsum | also I've never seen a deathmatch being played competitively |
| 01:03.03 | Moorhsum | (other than team deathmatch) |
| 01:03.25 | DeadZergling | self killing on purpose, incredibly rare |
| 01:03.37 | Bounty | FFA deathmatches are no longer seen as competitive these days |
| 01:03.48 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 01:03.58 | Moorhsum | FFA can't really be competitive |
| 01:04.08 | Bounty | Beg to differ |
| 01:04.26 | Bounty | UT and QA were very competitive from what I remember lol |
| 01:04.37 | Bounty | We just did not have esports back then, and I'm glad we didn't :) |
| 01:04.40 | Moorhsum | so easy to make someone look bad by ganging up against him |
| 01:04.50 | DeadZergling | ffa is competitive sure, but much more based on luck |
| 01:04.58 | DeadZergling | then say a 1v1 or 2v2 |
| 01:05.12 | Bounty | Why is FFA more luck based than team based in the same game? |
| 01:05.24 | Moorhsum | because the number of enemies you encounter is random |
| 01:05.28 | Bounty | You just have more chances to kill people |
| 01:05.36 | DeadZergling | and more chances to expose your back to someone |
| 01:05.39 | DeadZergling | give them free shots |
| 01:05.59 | Bounty | Yeah I get that but that stuff also happens in TDM |
| 01:06.00 | DeadZergling | I don't care how good you are, getting stuck between 2 rocket launchers is a bad situation |
| 01:06.04 | Bounty | Just depends on how many people we're talking |
| 01:06.19 | Moorhsum | like if 5 players decide to only shoot one guy, that guy has no chance of winning (unless there's an extreme difference in skill) |
| 01:06.23 | Bounty | I get it when we're talking about shit loads of ppl |
| 01:06.28 | DeadZergling | yes, why I referred to 1v1, 2v2 |
| 01:06.30 | Bounty | Photon Discs was unplayable with a full game FFA |
| 01:06.39 | Bounty | pew |
| 01:06.44 | DeadZergling | 5v5 a lot more randomness occurs |
| 01:06.48 | Moorhsum | even with 3 players, FFA is random |
| 01:06.55 | DeadZergling | 1 poor guy spawns next to 3 of the other team |
| 01:07.00 | DeadZergling | instant advantage for that team usually |
| 01:07.13 | Bounty | Its all random |
| 01:07.20 | Bounty | Its just that you have to take into account map size |
| 01:07.24 | Bounty | and player count |
| 01:07.28 | Bounty | and the game itself |
| 01:07.37 | DeadZergling | yes, is a lot of randomness |
| 01:07.47 | Moorhsum | the point is, you can form temporary alliances in FFA |
| 01:07.50 | DeadZergling | but I still say, ffa is more random than team, and most certainly more random than 1v1 |
| 01:07.57 | Moorhsum | even unknowingly |
| 01:08.03 | DeadZergling | true, but it is unlikely |
| 01:08.15 | DeadZergling | we'd do that all the time in my lcan |
| 01:08.17 | DeadZergling | *clan |
| 01:08.23 | DeadZergling | not shoot each other |
| 01:08.30 | Moorhsum | it's very likely that some players end up getting shot at more than others |
| 01:08.47 | Bounty | Its only more random than team depending on those variables I listed |
| 01:08.47 | DeadZergling | sure, especially ones who are known to be bad at moving |
| 01:09.03 | Bounty | besides |
| 01:09.10 | Bounty | who gives a shit, if its fun |
| 01:09.14 | Moorhsum | ;p |
| 01:09.31 | DeadZergling | as far as I can tell, the game being fun isn't Moorhsum's goal |
| 01:09.33 | Moorhsum | DeadZergling, imagine that has outer circles explosion diameter! ;o |
| 01:09.49 | Bounty | anytime I tried to make a game competitive it failed |
| 01:09.55 | Bounty | but thats just me |
| 01:10.01 | Bounty | Focused on fun, and it worked everytime |
| 01:10.04 | Moorhsum | anyway I wasn't talking about this game being competitive |
| 01:10.08 | DeadZergling | speaking of your fat princess hybrid? |
| 01:10.22 | Bounty | nah |
| 01:10.29 | Bounty | Mostly my old stuff that nobody played |
| 01:10.31 | Moorhsum | the point was that because FFA deathmatch games are not competitive, that self-kill rule has not seen so much abuse |
| 01:10.32 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:10.42 | Moorhsum | because people don't care enough |
| 01:10.51 | Bounty | I would not even call it a hybrid, was really just a straight up port of fat princess |
| 01:11.01 | Bounty | I did not do anything really new |
| 01:11.11 | Moorhsum | I'm not saying that -1 kill rule wouldn't work, I just don't want such broken design in my game D: |
| 01:11.25 | DeadZergling | but the design isn't broken, lol |
| 01:11.28 | Bounty | So whats the penalty for killing yourself |
| 01:11.33 | DeadZergling | nothing |
| 01:11.36 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:11.39 | Bounty | GL with that |
| 01:11.39 | Moorhsum | it doesn't need a penalty |
| 01:11.42 | DeadZergling | if you got hit in the last 10 seconds |
| 01:11.42 | Bounty | THAT will be abused |
| 01:11.47 | Bounty | yeah |
| 01:11.48 | Moorhsum | how can that be abused? |
| 01:11.49 | DeadZergling | it will go to that player |
| 01:11.50 | Bounty | I know about the tag timer |
| 01:11.55 | Bounty | I like the tag timer |
| 01:11.57 | Bounty | but |
| 01:12.01 | Bounty | if you're not tagged... |
| 01:12.04 | Bounty | -1 |
| 01:12.06 | Bounty | bro |
| 01:12.06 | Moorhsum | why? D: |
| 01:12.16 | Bounty | Well, think of it like this |
| 01:12.20 | Moorhsum | what's the benefit from killing yourself? |
| 01:12.25 | Bounty | This whole debate is to prevent people exploiting it right? |
| 01:12.33 | Bounty | wait |
| 01:12.34 | Moorhsum | hmm to get to full health D: |
| 01:12.39 | Bounty | Something tells me |
| 01:12.46 | Bounty | That you think we're saying +1 and not -1 |
| 01:12.47 | Moorhsum | yeah that's actually possible ;p |
| 01:12.56 | Moorhsum | no :P |
| 01:12.56 | Bounty | You know we're saying -1 right? |
| 01:12.58 | Bounty | ok |
| 01:13.00 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:13.06 | Moorhsum | I said I don't have an issue giving -1 kill |
| 01:13.14 | Moorhsum | that's not what we've been arguing about |
| 01:13.27 | Moorhsum | we've been arguing about *not* giving the enemy who last shot you a kill at all |
| 01:13.36 | Bounty | ooh |
| 01:13.47 | Bounty | Well, I think if they're within that tag timer |
| 01:13.49 | Bounty | they should get it |
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| 01:14.07 | Bounty | 10 seconds might be to long though, not sure as I have not played the game |
| 01:14.16 | Bounty | is it lots of pew pew? |
| 01:14.18 | Moorhsum | so if player A shoots player B to 1 health and player B then kills himself quickly, DeadZergling is saying player A should not get a kill |
| 01:14.27 | Moorhsum | yeah the timer can change, haven't tested it yet |
| 01:14.44 | Bounty | Yeah, I do not agree with that. I think they should get the kill |
| 01:14.51 | Bounty | Yeah, timer will just take balancing and it will be fine |
| 01:15.00 | Bounty | Honestly that was my first idea was to have a tag timer |
| 01:15.06 | Bounty | Makes sense |
| 01:15.27 | Moorhsum | but yeah I'll add that -1 kill penalty too, didn't think of players being able to get to full health by suicide (when not tagged) |
| 01:15.39 | Moorhsum | ...because previously the tag was infinite so I had no reason to think of it |
| 01:16.03 | Bounty | I mean you could have multiple conditions |
| 01:16.09 | Bounty | like |
| 01:16.10 | Bounty | oh |
| 01:16.12 | Bounty | here you go |
| 01:16.28 | DeadZergling | is a tag of 10 seconds best too? 5 seems adequate to me |
| 01:16.31 | Bounty | Make it so the tag is first a check of distance, if the player who is shot leaves that distance THEN the timer starts |
| 01:16.35 | Bounty | Problem solved |
| 01:16.41 | Moorhsum | DeadZergling, yeah I don't know what the best timer is yet, needs to be tested |
| 01:16.48 | Moorhsum | it's 10 seconds of blizzard time, though |
| 01:16.50 | Bounty | So you're tagged forever if you stay within range |
| 01:17.02 | Bounty | so you can't just juke and run away |
| 01:17.04 | Moorhsum | which is 7.1 something |
| 01:17.06 | Bounty | if they're still on you |
| 01:17.21 | Moorhsum | dunno, that might be confusing |
| 01:17.34 | Bounty | they won't see the code lol |
| 01:17.35 | DeadZergling | just a standard time is fine really |
| 01:17.37 | Moorhsum | if they're near you, they could just shoot you again to retain the tag |
| 01:17.41 | DeadZergling | no need to complicate it further |
| 01:17.45 | Bounty | yeah but it can still be abused |
| 01:17.48 | Bounty | If you tag me |
| 01:17.48 | Moorhsum | Bounty, yeah that's exactly why it would be confusing :P |
| 01:17.55 | Bounty | I'll just dodge all your shots |
| 01:18.01 | Bounty | and make my way to the abyss |
| 01:18.04 | DeadZergling | if you can do that |
| 01:18.10 | DeadZergling | why do you need to make your way to the abyss? |
| 01:18.12 | Moorhsum | Bounty, you can't dodge the lazor |
| 01:18.32 | Bounty | Because its a douche move DeadZergling |
| 01:18.59 | Bounty | Just have someone chase me forever trying to get the kill and I kill myself after picking up a health pack |
| 01:19.03 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:19.18 | DeadZergling | hehe, it is, but so hilarious too |
| 01:19.22 | DeadZergling | that option should be left in there |
| 01:19.24 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 01:19.29 | Bounty | I already told him to leave it in |
| 01:19.29 | Moorhsum | you sure? D: |
| 01:19.32 | Bounty | Just for the lolz |
| 01:19.34 | Bounty | See what happens |
| 01:19.39 | Moorhsum | maybe I should |
| 01:19.41 | DeadZergling | giving users freedom = good |
| 01:19.42 | Bounty | If you get like 500 reviews of backlash than change it |
| 01:19.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:19.57 | JademusSreg | You shall embrace the piƱata, in all its glory and all its horro. |
| 01:20.01 | Moorhsum | I bet no one but us will ever even think about that |
| 01:20.01 | JademusSreg | *horror |
| 01:20.06 | Stewox | okay |
| 01:20.11 | Bounty | You would be surprised A1 |
| 01:20.17 | Stewox | what do i do now in player properties to make observers ? |
| 01:20.20 | Moorhsum | ;> |
| 01:20.29 | Bounty | Even the most annoying players are crafty sons a bitches when it comes to ruining other peoples fun |
| 01:20.37 | JademusSreg | *meaningful options = great |
| 01:20.41 | Moorhsum | Stewox, you can't "make observers", any game can be observed |
| 01:20.52 | Stewox | they told me i have to set this up |
| 01:21.07 | DeadZergling | Hi Jade, know of any other interesting uses for bit logic? lol |
| 01:21.07 | DeadZergling | I'm curious |
| 01:21.08 | Moorhsum | you can set up the player ID for observer so you can set up what they can see etc. |
| 01:21.19 | JademusSreg | Lots of stuff. |
| 01:21.21 | Moorhsum | at the bottom of player properties there's "default observer" drop menu |
| 01:22.34 | Moorhsum | so yeah added that -1 from suicide when not tagged |
| 01:22.43 | Bounty | If I ever make a true Photon Discs sequel I want to have some sort of object like the planets in that map |
| 01:22.47 | Bounty | whip discs around it |
| 01:22.48 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:23.06 | Moorhsum | also my death messages are nice :> |
| 01:23.17 | Bounty | better than JademusSregs? |
| 01:23.24 | DeadZergling | care to elaborate so I can be confused again and learn more? |
| 01:23.25 | Moorhsum | dunno |
| 01:23.28 | Moorhsum | haven't seen them D: |
| 01:23.58 | Moorhsum | it displays them as Killing Player > Cause of Death > Killed Player and colors the player name with his player color, AND it colors the cause of death with the player color of the player who "owns" the cause of death |
| 01:24.15 | Moorhsum | if you go into a vortex, it shows Killing Player > Vortex > Killed Player with vortex as white |
| 01:24.17 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:24.29 | Bounty | you just blew my mind Moorhsum |
| 01:24.29 | Moorhsum | Bounty, dunno! |
| 01:24.29 | Moorhsum | if you don't have a tag when you die, it only shows Cause of Death > Killed Player |
| 01:24.41 | JademusSreg | Here's something I've been working on, demonstrates many operators and stuff done with them. https://pastee.org/hgckf |
| 01:24.43 | Moorhsum | Bounty, sarcastically? :P |
| 01:24.55 | Bounty | Yeah, in that the way you described the death messages |
| 01:25.02 | Bounty | Looked like something JademusSreg would say |
| 01:25.22 | Bounty | only less big words |
| 01:25.39 | DeadZergling | carrot ^ is xor here right? |
| 01:25.55 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 01:26.58 | Bounty | carrots? |
| 01:27.17 | Moorhsum | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a91/SC2%202013-11-22%2003-26-33-83.jpg |
| 01:27.22 | Moorhsum | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a91/SC2%202013-11-22%2003-26-47-95.jpg |
| 01:27.29 | DeadZergling | ~a, for 5, or 0101, that would return 1010 right? |
| 01:27.49 | DeadZergling | (or 10) |
| 01:28.14 | JademusSreg | Yeah ~0101 == 1010 |
| 01:28.30 | DeadZergling | so if you want to think like Zolden |
| 01:28.35 | DeadZergling | it is the sex change operator |
| 01:28.39 | Bounty | One of those objects looks very similar to that UFO you saw Moorhsum |
| 01:28.41 | Moorhsum | Bounty, the palyer did 50% really. |
| 01:29.01 | Moorhsum | you're mistaken! |
| 01:29.05 | Bounty | btw question |
| 01:29.13 | Bounty | Why did you not use the planet models included in the game? |
| 01:29.20 | Moorhsum | they're too realistic |
| 01:29.20 | Stewox | Moorshum what do i do on player 11 |
| 01:29.21 | Moorhsum | Steowx, ill make rock. <_< |
| 01:29.27 | Stewox | i have 10 players + neutral |
| 01:29.42 | Stewox | Default Observed |
| 01:29.43 | Bounty | You should try it |
| 01:29.44 | DeadZergling | I understand this Jade, but not why you might need it |
| 01:29.46 | DeadZergling | num NUM_BNIA (num a, num b) { return ~a & b; } |
| 01:29.46 | Bounty | Would be cool |
| 01:29.47 | Stewox | I selected player 11 |
| 01:30.03 | Moorhsum | I haven't used the default observer, just have a general idea of what it does |
| 01:30.13 | Stewox | what it does ? |
| 01:30.17 | Moorhsum | that should mean anything you make player 11 see with triggers, observers should see |
| 01:30.25 | Moorhsum | like if you put a dialog on the screen or hide UI elements etc |
| 01:30.28 | Moorhsum | or move camera for player 11 |
| 01:30.36 | Moorhsum | not sure if it works exactly like that though |
| 01:30.48 | Stewox | what settings does player 11 need ? |
| 01:31.02 | Moorhsum | for what? |
| 01:31.11 | Stewox | control |
| 01:31.20 | Moorhsum | you want observer to be able to control stuff? |
| 01:31.24 | Stewox | start location ... et |
| 01:31.26 | Stewox | etc |
| 01:31.41 | Stewox | settings in the list |
| 01:31.48 | Moorhsum | nothing |
| 01:31.57 | Moorhsum | just leave it as default (None etc.) |
| 01:32.11 | Stewox | how do i add more observers ? |
| 01:32.18 | Moorhsum | ?_? |
| 01:32.20 | JademusSreg | Deadz, I use those for something like this: https://pastee.org/3vb9g |
| 01:32.29 | Moorhsum | all observers share player ID |
| 01:32.43 | Moorhsum | you can have any number of them afaik (probably some limit though) |
| 01:33.24 | Moorhsum | you don't need to do anything for observers unless you need something special |
| 01:34.49 | Moorhsum | lot of work to use the default planet models, their origin is off-center >_> |
| 01:35.03 | Moorhsum | I did try them at some point and then removed them |
| 01:35.27 | Moorhsum | though one reason was that I needed team colored planets, which I don't anymore... |
| 01:35.50 | Moorhsum | I suppose I'll give it another try |
| 01:37.18 | Stewox | people told me i have to add them manually |
| 01:37.44 | Moorhsum | lobby host can add players as observer |
| 01:37.52 | JademusSreg | ^ |
| 01:38.24 | Stewox | somebody told me i have to add them manually in player properties |
| 01:38.53 | Moorhsum | that was probably me, I thought you were asking about how to configure observers |
| 01:43.02 | Moorhsum | I wonder if any player ever has change their SC2 window aspect ratio during an arcade game ;p |
| 01:43.07 | Moorhsum | *changed |
| 01:45.37 | Stewox | None is default ? |
| 01:45.39 | Stewox | or neutral |
| 01:45.50 | Moorhsum | default what? |
| 01:46.17 | Moorhsum | Default Observer is set to Neutral (player 0) by default |
| 01:46.36 | Moorhsum | if you don't need to control what the observers can see like dialogs and stuff, you can just leave it |
| 01:46.42 | Moorhsum | err |
| 01:46.50 | Moorhsum | sorry, None is default |
| 01:46.55 | Moorhsum | forgot I had changed it to neutral |
| 01:47.11 | Moorhsum | so you can just leave it as (None) |
| 01:47.43 | Moorhsum | (i.e. don't do anything, observers work in all maps by default) |
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| 01:48.23 | A1win | woot it works |
| 01:48.37 | A1win | can finally stop talking as Moorhsum ;p |
| 01:48.40 | Moorhsum | A1win, will look like waves. :> |
| 01:52.55 | Stewox | ok |
| 01:56.45 | A1win | JademusSreg, any way to adjust chase camera x/y offset from its target unit? |
| 01:58.50 | A1win | UI takes quite a bit of space at the bottom so might be nice to move camera a bit towards it |
| 02:06.39 | DeadZergling | probably end up having to see what the camera view currently is, and do some math each time before it sets the camera |
| 02:06.58 | DeadZergling | the zoom level I mean |
| 02:07.24 | A1win | it uses the native follow thingy |
| 02:07.30 | A1win | follow unit group |
| 02:08.05 | DeadZergling | ah, I just moved the camera directly |
| 02:08.24 | A1win | I had it like that at first, not sure why I changed it |
| 02:08.27 | A1win | but there was some issue |
| 02:10.53 | miushock | played with mover whole day, still cant find the answer |
| 02:11.09 | miushock | how do I flip the missile >_< |
| 02:12.39 | DeadZergling | sop actor adjustment, I think |
| 02:12.47 | DeadZergling | you just trying to turn the missile model around? |
| 02:13.43 | DeadZergling | or to have the missile change direction? |
| 02:17.53 | miushock | in fact |
| 02:18.01 | miushock | i'm making a leap ability |
| 02:18.13 | miushock | character jump backwards |
| 02:18.35 | miushock | so the unit shall face forward while jumping back |
| 02:20.20 | Bounty | What exactly is meta game? |
| 02:21.15 | A1win | the things outside the game that affects how players play the game |
| 02:21.27 | A1win | like strategies they practice etc |
| 02:21.46 | Bounty | So ways to play the game |
| 02:21.49 | Bounty | basically |
| 02:22.16 | Stewox | anyone bored and want to try my map for fun |
| 02:22.19 | A1win | Metagaming is a broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game. Another definition refers to the game universe outside of the game itself. |
| 02:22.24 | A1win | from wikipedia |
| 02:22.26 | Stewox | just a goof map ... |
| 02:22.38 | Stewox | moorshum maybe you ? |
| 02:22.40 | Moorhsum | Steowx, what do I assume only less. x.x |
| 02:22.44 | A1win | Moorhsum is me |
| 02:22.46 | Moorhsum | A1win, debates are so... xF |
| 02:22.47 | A1win | my bot anyway |
| 02:22.49 | Moorhsum | A1win, ze map night can we. :s |
| 02:22.54 | Stewox | it's Stewox :p |
| 02:23.07 | Stewox | not bored |
| 02:23.17 | A1win | you mispelled his name so he mispelled yours ;> |
| 02:23.20 | Stewox | just has like a few minutes to give it a try, want to see what people think about it |
| 02:23.27 | Stewox | it's a goof map, not serious or anyhting |
| 02:23.40 | A1win | took one guy over a day to figure out why Moorhsum was misspelling his name |
| 02:23.42 | Moorhsum | A1win, you want to think but now I'm just. <_< |
| 02:23.44 | Stewox | just to test stuff with editor, but it's fun nonthe less |
| 02:24.10 | Stewox | lets say it was mapnight today and i would brought it up |
| 02:26.20 | Stewox | what about you muishock |
| 02:29.11 | Bounty | You know, I've spoken with someone who has been in contact with Blizzard and he says that Blizzard is a big company of users lol |
| 02:29.21 | Bounty | In that they use people to make content for them etc |
| 02:29.41 | Bounty | He also praised Sony Online Entertainment, which I found shocking |
| 02:30.24 | A1win | mmh about the metagame, the ways to play the game are more like the result of the metagame, not the metagame itself |
| 02:31.01 | Bounty | Can you even develop a metagame? |
| 02:31.09 | A1win | what do you mean? |
| 02:31.22 | Bounty | Like is it possible to design a meta game for your game |
| 02:31.42 | A1win | umm |
| 02:31.49 | A1win | it's created by the community |
| 02:31.56 | A1win | you can obviously affect it by your design |
| 02:32.00 | Bounty | Ok, thats what I thought |
| 02:32.04 | Bounty | I have a reason for asking this btw |
| 02:32.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:32.13 | Bounty | I can't share it but I do have a reasson |
| 02:32.15 | Bounty | reason* |
| 02:32.15 | A1win | like if you take zergling out of SC2, the metagame changes because players have to take the change into account |
| 02:32.41 | Bounty | Yeah |
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| 02:33.17 | Bounty | Sorry if that came off as a stupid question haha |
| 02:33.23 | Bounty | Even though it is |
| 02:33.38 | DeadZergling | sorry miushock, wasn't paying attention |
| 02:33.47 | DeadZergling | I suggest looking at tutorials on sc2mapster on SOP actor rotations |
| 02:33.53 | DeadZergling | will be of use to you |
| 02:33.57 | A1win | I'd say the most important thing about metagame is what players think is the best way to play a game |
| 02:34.11 | A1win | like if players think mech is the best strategy for terran, a lot of players use it |
| 02:34.19 | A1win | even if in reality bio would be just as viable |
| 02:34.21 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 02:34.36 | Bounty | Its player interpretation of how to get to the goal of the game |
| 02:34.37 | Bounty | right? |
| 02:34.48 | A1win | partially ;p |
| 02:34.59 | A1win | it's a broad term, like wikipedia says |
| 02:34.59 | Bounty | What part am I missing |
| 02:35.00 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:35.29 | A1win | it's pretty much everything that players think about the game(play) when not playing the game |
| 02:35.36 | Bounty | Let me give you the scenario |
| 02:36.01 | Bounty | Say someone wants to include a map in between in level of a game that shows you progressing to the next area, is that meta game? |
| 02:36.06 | A1win | meta also includes player preferences |
| 02:36.25 | A1win | like if 15 players out of 16 play zerg and one player plays protoss, you could say it is a zerg heavy meta ;p |
| 02:36.47 | A1win | Bounty, no, that's game design :P |
| 02:36.54 | A1win | oh wait |
| 02:36.55 | Bounty | Yeah, thats what I thought |
| 02:36.57 | A1win | you mean the map itself? |
| 02:37.03 | Bounty | No i mean like |
| 02:37.05 | A1win | or the act of suggesting it? |
| 02:37.14 | Bounty | Take you have a game |
| 02:37.16 | Bounty | that has levels |
| 02:37.22 | Bounty | and as is it just goes from level to level |
| 02:37.57 | Bounty | and someone wants to make a "meta game" by adding a cinematic that shows level progression and when you beat all of those levels you unlock a difficulty |
| 02:38.17 | A1win | that's another definition of metagame |
| 02:38.26 | Bounty | ok but it is in fact meta game |
| 02:38.29 | Bounty | just making sure lol |
| 02:38.35 | Bounty | because they used that term and it threw me off |
| 02:38.43 | A1win | yeah I suppose it is, but not by the definition that I've been explaining |
| 02:38.58 | Bounty | yeah |
| 02:39.00 | Bounty | not even close |
| 02:39.03 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:39.13 | A1win | in literature that's called a frame story I think |
| 02:39.26 | A1win | like if a book tells about a man who tells a story to a child |
| 02:39.33 | A1win | the frame story is the man telling the story |
| 02:39.37 | Bounty | yeah |
| 02:39.39 | A1win | and the actual story is the story that he tells |
| 02:39.46 | Bounty | it gives a sense of purpose |
| 02:39.47 | Bounty | right? |
| 02:40.03 | A1win | dunno :P |
| 02:40.06 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:40.33 | A1win | have you seen a video about an oculus rift game where the player character sits inside a 3D room on a sofa and plays a 2D game on a big TV screen in front of him |
| 02:40.38 | A1win | it's a horror game |
| 02:40.45 | A1win | the 2D game is pretty simple |
| 02:40.52 | Bounty | lol wtf |
| 02:40.54 | A1win | you find pieces of paper that tell you stuff |
| 02:41.03 | Bounty | no I have not seen it but it sounds genius |
| 02:41.04 | A1win | and then the 3D environment starts to do crazy stuff |
| 02:41.24 | Bounty | I am definitely picking up one of those things |
| 02:41.33 | A1win | the guy who was playing it explained it that normally when you play a horror game with oculus rift, your first reaction to creepy shit is to take off the headset and look around |
| 02:41.46 | A1win | but when your focus is on the 2D game, you actually start to look around in the 3D environment |
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| 02:42.28 | Bounty | yeah |
| 02:43.00 | Bounty | I think that is the most innovative idea I've heard in a looong time |
| 02:43.29 | A1win | yeah hopefully VR will bring some new life to games |
| 02:43.38 | Bounty | If it works it will |
| 02:43.42 | Bounty | Most definitely. |
| 02:48.53 | Stewox | and Mantle |
| 02:49.46 | Stewox | Mantle will really supercharge VR, super low latency required for proper experience |
| 02:49.48 | A1win | isn't that just performance improvements? |
| 02:50.17 | A1win | ah, dunno about problems with VR |
| 02:50.55 | A1win | I'd assume it'd mostly have to do with sensor sensitivity than cpu and gpu power |
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| 02:51.10 | Stewox | eh |
| 02:51.25 | Stewox | it has all to do with FPS |
| 02:51.39 | Stewox | sensor sensetivity is already 1000hz |
| 02:52.05 | A1win | so what's causing framerate issues? |
| 02:52.05 | Stewox | that's not an issue, so for the displays, that's going to all go up |
| 02:52.26 | Stewox | high resolution is needed and high fps to make it work |
| 02:52.32 | A1win | ah |
| 02:52.39 | Stewox | you need high resolution because it's super close to the eyes |
| 02:53.00 | A1win | high pixel density rather? |
| 02:53.05 | Stewox | and you need high FPS because the human eye detects closer movements much faster than usual |
| 02:53.29 | A1win | alright, makes sense ;p |
| 02:53.59 | A1win | shouldn't be too long till they get it to work then, in terms of years :P |
| 02:54.10 | Stewox | resolution or pixel density whatever it's in the same context |
| 02:54.21 | Stewox | but neither of the terms carry actual size of the display ... |
| 02:54.45 | Stewox | mainstream has confused the term you know, it's their interpretation |
| 02:55.07 | A1win | what's confusing about resolution and pixel density? |
| 02:55.15 | Stewox | what years |
| 02:55.32 | A1win | ?_? |
| 02:55.41 | Stewox | it's already done basically, all they need to do is to make up the SDK, get OLEDs in, make Glasses support ... |
| 02:55.45 | A1win | I mean it shouldn't be too many years to get something like that working |
| 02:55.47 | A1win | properly |
| 02:56.02 | Stewox | it won't take that long |
| 02:56.08 | A1win | good |
| 02:56.19 | Stewox | it might take some time for the display industry to recognize and reserve stuff |
| 02:57.09 | Stewox | because they used some very limited supply chain of certain displays, for the dev kits |
| 02:57.11 | A1win | should get into that stuff early, could be a nice change to start designing VR games |
| 02:57.23 | Stewox | but ofcourse OLEDs will be later instead of LCDs |
| 02:58.19 | Stewox | so basically you need 120FPS to even call it VR |
| 02:58.37 | Stewox | that's actually 240FPS |
| 02:58.42 | Stewox | 120 per eye |
| 02:58.53 | A1win | mmh right :> |
| 02:59.11 | A1win | needs two viewports |
| 02:59.28 | Stewox | afaik there are 2 |
| 02:59.36 | Stewox | unless there's one but i forgot this |
| 03:00.19 | A1win | some weird display that shows different view depending on view angle? ;p |
| 03:00.21 | Stewox | not 240FPS, like, in terms of work the GPU would have to do |
| 03:00.50 | Stewox | so if it's 1 display and it's 120FPS, same work for the GPU under the same pixel density |
| 03:01.38 | Stewox | the term resolution is washed to feel like it means size, so i might use pixel density anyways |
| 03:02.10 | Stewox | well that's the problem if there are 2 displays they would have to adjust for the middle point to be seen |
| 03:02.31 | A1win | well when talking about distances, it makes sense to compare pixel density rather than resolution, and leave screen size a variable |
| 03:02.39 | A1win | screen size is just how big an area you can see |
| 03:02.41 | Bounty | This is a long shot but has anyone here ever done DMT? I have always wanted to talk to someone who has lol |
| 03:02.45 | A1win | not how accurately you can see it |
| 03:02.48 | Bounty | Also, random as fuck question |
| 03:03.16 | A1win | Moorhsum, have you done it? |
| 03:03.18 | Moorhsum | A1win, yes. |
| 03:03.33 | A1win | Moorhsum, how about other drugs? |
| 03:03.33 | Bounty | That was a little to fast |
| 03:03.35 | Moorhsum | Store the User data wasnt selectable, even. |
| 03:03.37 | Bounty | I sense bot |
| 03:03.48 | Bounty | also, I almost forgot you ARE Moorhsum |
| 03:03.49 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:03.50 | Moorhsum | Bounty, well, think of it developed those products played. >_> |
| 03:03.51 | Moorhsum | Bounty, moving a character unit styled up. |
| 03:03.52 | A1win | I told you it's a bot like twice today ;p |
| 03:03.59 | Stewox | the first one they have is 1080p a1win |
| 03:04.01 | Bounty | I know |
| 03:04.09 | Bounty | Took me a second to recall that haha |
| 03:04.13 | Bounty | >.< |
| 03:04.13 | A1win | :x |
| 03:04.17 | Stewox | don't know if it's OLED |
| 03:04.29 | Stewox | i don't know if it's 1080p per eye |
| 03:04.37 | Stewox | probably is |
| 03:05.32 | A1win | doesn't 1080p measure vertical resolution anyway? |
| 03:05.42 | A1win | 1080p has 1080 horizontal lines |
| 03:06.03 | A1win | wouldn't make sense to "split" it for each eye |
| 03:06.19 | A1win | one eye sees top of screen and other one bottom? ;p |
| 03:06.36 | A1win | I should sleep |
| 03:07.16 | A1win | made Moorhsum slower so it can fool Bounty next time |
| 03:07.18 | Moorhsum | A1win, is with the speed/fps thought. ;o |
| 03:11.50 | Bounty | psh |
| 03:12.06 | Bounty | fool me once |
| 03:12.07 | Bounty | :) |
| 03:13.13 | Stewox | not sure what your talking about a1win |
| 03:13.15 | Stewox | :p |
| 03:13.20 | Stewox | doesn't make sense |
| 03:18.28 | A1win | why wouldn't it be per eye? |
| 03:20.11 | Stewox | it probably is i said |
| 03:20.22 | Stewox | I said i didn't know if they mentioned that |
| 03:20.52 | Stewox | but the original resolution was similar to 1080p, however that wasn't per eye, it was 800x600 per eye |
| 03:21.10 | Stewox | so this 1080p wouldn't be claimed without a note if it wasn't per eye |
| 03:21.16 | Stewox | because it's per eye that really matter |
| 03:21.27 | Stewox | so i guess it is |
| 03:21.31 | Stewox | which means it's 2K total |
| 03:21.49 | Stewox | and for 120FPS on this, you need a beast of a PC |
| 03:22.22 | Stewox | Mantle is going to change the PC GPU world forever, and enable existing games to get a high FPS much easier to be really good on VR |
| 03:22.38 | A1win | I mean even if the resolution wasn't per eye, it would still be 1080p |
| 03:23.12 | A1win | because 1080p only measures height of resolution |
| 03:23.12 | Stewox | yeah but that's the "resolution" for the GPU's load |
| 03:23.23 | Stewox | not the actual resolution you see |
| 03:23.38 | Stewox | what height ? |
| 03:23.51 | A1win | number of lines |
| 03:24.00 | Stewox | yes what about them |
| 03:24.10 | Bounty | Height = 1080 and Width = 1920 |
| 03:24.17 | Bounty | for "1080p" |
| 03:24.33 | A1win | width can be anything |
| 03:24.38 | Stewox | eh |
| 03:24.38 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 03:24.45 | Bounty | Multi Monitor setups |
| 03:24.48 | Bounty | Can have like |
| 03:24.52 | Stewox | 1080p is a buzzword for 1080x1920 |
| 03:24.57 | Stewox | a PR word |
| 03:25.02 | Bounty | 5760 x 1080 |
| 03:25.08 | Bounty | is 3 monitors |
| 03:25.12 | A1win | 1080p means there are 1080 horizontal lines |
| 03:25.17 | Stewox | yeah but nobody calls that 1080p |
| 03:25.25 | Stewox | no |
| 03:25.33 | Bounty | 1080p is a term used to sell TV's |
| 03:25.46 | A1win | then they are using it wrong |
| 03:25.54 | Stewox | yeah |
| 03:25.55 | Bounty | It does mean 1920 x 1080 progressive |
| 03:26.01 | Bounty | as opposed to interlaced |
| 03:26.06 | Bounty | but people see that p |
| 03:26.06 | Stewox | FULL HD or 1080p are marketing words |
| 03:26.10 | Bounty | and they just buy it |
| 03:26.11 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:26.16 | Bounty | yeah |
| 03:26.36 | Stewox | same how Wifi is a marketing word for IEEEE 802.11 |
| 03:26.48 | Stewox | IEEE* |
| 03:26.51 | Bounty | Going out of my zone bro |
| 03:27.00 | Bounty | sounds like something A1win would get |
| 03:27.01 | Bounty | :) |
| 03:27.08 | Stewox | what zone |
| 03:27.18 | Bounty | zone of shit I understand what people are saying |
| 03:27.19 | Stewox | this is kindergarden stuff |
| 03:27.19 | Kueken | comfort |
| 03:27.26 | Bounty | to you it is |
| 03:27.40 | Bounty | You used like four E's |
| 03:27.44 | Bounty | then corrected it with 3 |
| 03:27.51 | Stewox | 1080p specifically means 1080x1920 |
| 03:27.52 | Bounty | Which means this is out of my ballpark |
| 03:27.55 | Stewox | nothigng else |
| 03:28.04 | Bounty | yeah |
| 03:28.09 | Bounty | I dont understand what you guys were arguing about? |
| 03:28.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:28.17 | A1win | IEEE is that thing that mskes standards and stuff |
| 03:28.18 | Kueken | there is also 1080i, though :) |
| 03:28.23 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 03:28.24 | A1win | makes |
| 03:28.24 | Stewox | if its 1080x435355 it's not "1080p" |
| 03:28.27 | Bounty | We talked about that |
| 03:28.43 | Bounty | 1080p and 1080i only refers to Tv's I think |
| 03:28.45 | Bounty | I could be wrong |
| 03:28.52 | Kueken | 1080x435355... |
| 03:28.55 | Kueken | I want that |
| 03:29.03 | Kueken | triple-panorama surround |
| 03:29.10 | Stewox | so there's no way to know the width, that's why I am not fond of these stupid PR buzzwords like FULL HD or 1080p that the TV industry injected into the PC markets |
| 03:29.12 | A1win | that's one tall monitor |
| 03:29.17 | Kueken | wrapped around your head 3 times |
| 03:29.23 | Stewox | I actually was a hater of 16:9 |
| 03:29.30 | Stewox | i wanted 16:10 |
| 03:29.38 | A1win | 1080x435355 is 435355p |
| 03:29.42 | Bounty | They use those words because that is the current highest standard of TV |
| 03:29.44 | Kueken | I still use a 5:4 monitor :D |
| 03:29.46 | Bounty | case closed |
| 03:29.59 | Stewox | eh |
| 03:30.04 | Bounty | I don't even think there are any actually channels that broadcast in 1080p |
| 03:30.07 | Bounty | only 1080i |
| 03:30.17 | Stewox | fuck TVs , i never wanted the PC industry to shift to 1080p |
| 03:30.19 | Bounty | 1080p is for blu rays I believe |
| 03:30.19 | A1win | I use two 24" 1920x1080 monitors |
| 03:30.29 | Kueken | and they needed something that was short and sounded cool enough to become memorable :D |
| 03:30.43 | Bounty | Damn Stewox, you're making me feel like a calm person |
| 03:30.46 | Bounty | Why you so mad |
| 03:30.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:30.49 | Kueken | A1win: strapped to 1 eye each |
| 03:30.59 | A1win | :x |
| 03:31.05 | Kueken | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0AX81gv5aM |
| 03:31.13 | Kueken | right on the subject |
| 03:31.23 | Bounty | commercial |
| 03:31.24 | Stewox | i had a 5:4 75hz monitor too |
| 03:31.26 | Stewox | LCD |
| 03:31.27 | Bounty | So i exited out |
| 03:31.28 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:31.38 | Stewox | from samsung |
| 03:31.53 | Bounty | I have a 1920x1080 120hz monitor |
| 03:31.54 | Stewox | now I have Asus VG278HE 144hz |
| 03:31.59 | Bounty | 144? |
| 03:32.01 | A1win | atm I'm using a single 7" 1920x1200 monitor though :P |
| 03:32.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:32.02 | Stewox | 1080p :( |
| 03:32.07 | Bounty | what size Stewox |
| 03:32.10 | Bounty | I have 27 |
| 03:32.14 | Bounty | Looks fine to me! |
| 03:32.23 | Stewox | i think it's 26 |
| 03:32.34 | Bounty | You can't even see the diff with resolutions beyond a certain point |
| 03:32.47 | Bounty | I think it was beyond 32" you can see the flaws in 720p |
| 03:32.50 | Stewox | http://www.asus.com/Monitors_Projectors/VG278HE/ |
| 03:32.51 | Bounty | which is 1080i |
| 03:32.53 | A1win | depends on size |
| 03:32.57 | Bounty | yeah |
| 03:33.01 | Bounty | thats what I just said brah :) |
| 03:33.10 | A1win | ah |
| 03:33.17 | Bounty | my 27 in monitor is fine with 1080p |
| 03:33.22 | Bounty | got a problem? add some AA |
| 03:33.25 | Bounty | >.< |
| 03:33.29 | Stewox | so ... i really didn't like 16:10 dying ;( |
| 03:33.45 | Bounty | does it really matter though? |
| 03:33.46 | Kueken | well... rest in picels |
| 03:33.51 | Kueken | *pixels |
| 03:33.51 | A1win | 16:9 is nice |
| 03:33.55 | Bounty | I never even saw 16:10 |
| 03:34.00 | Bounty | I thought that shit was urban legend |
| 03:34.16 | Stewox | i don't watch TV anyways, I watch real deal media http://www.infowars.com/watch-alex-jones-show :p (JFK protest going on all day in dallas!) |
| 03:34.30 | Stewox | Samsung and Sony so influential |
| 03:34.33 | Bounty | Ok now your just trolling |
| 03:34.37 | Bounty | For real |
| 03:34.44 | Bounty | Even for more, Alex Jones of over the top |
| 03:34.49 | Bounty | Even for me* |
| 03:34.52 | Bounty | is* |
| 03:34.54 | Kueken | nah, bounty, he does believe in it |
| 03:34.54 | Bounty | dem typos |
| 03:34.55 | A1win | don't get him started |
| 03:35.02 | Kueken | please don't encourage him |
| 03:35.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:35.07 | Bounty | oh |
| 03:35.08 | Bounty | whoops |
| 03:35.09 | Bounty | I mean |
| 03:35.11 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 03:35.14 | Stewox | I can't, or ban :p |
| 03:35.18 | Bounty | Fucking Alex Jones dude? The prophet |
| 03:35.34 | Bounty | I have to say this |
| 03:35.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:35.45 | Bounty | Alex Jones is right about a lot of shit but he goes crazy sometimes |
| 03:35.47 | Bounty | That is all |
| 03:35.48 | Stewox | anyways just check it out, they're trolling the mainstream media |
| 03:36.01 | Stewox | crazy is excited |
| 03:36.07 | Stewox | not really crazy |
| 03:36.11 | Stewox | just angry |
| 03:36.13 | Bounty | Chemtrails? |
| 03:36.15 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:36.19 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 03:36.37 | Bounty | But not everything he says is true, he just goes off the wall sometimes. He is right for a lot of stuff though |
| 03:36.39 | Bounty | anyways |
| 03:36.45 | Stewox | well, yesterday they brought 30000 flyiers and 200 big posters to a federal reserve ban in Dallas |
| 03:36.50 | Bounty | I really don't want to transition from fucking 1080p to Alex jones |
| 03:36.54 | Bounty | Like for real? |
| 03:36.59 | Bounty | Thats the segway? |
| 03:37.00 | Stewox | AHAHA |
| 03:37.06 | Stewox | HAHA |
| 03:37.14 | Stewox | THat's the winning quote bounty |
| 03:37.17 | Stewox | holy shit |
| 03:37.18 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:37.20 | Stewox | you're the man |
| 03:37.27 | Stewox | i'm going to use it somewhere |
| 03:37.34 | Stewox | im still laughing |
| 03:37.59 | Bounty | I have delivered the gift of laughter on this night, let it be remembered. |
| 03:38.07 | Stewox | a transition from 1080p to Alex jones, fucking WIN! |
| 03:38.30 | A1win | I don't get it |
| 03:38.36 | DeadZergling | oh, you share that gift with any who try to follow your logic, Bounty |
| 03:40.06 | Stewox | well just casually, they got like 150 people yesterday at the FED, the policemans who are listeners, they cheer along, but then a fed-like PR "cheerleader-style" woman comes and tells alex he will get a ticket because of some ordinance of 75 yards from property no fliers are allowed (made up law, illegal) |
| 03:40.12 | Bounty | lol you son of a bitch DeadZergling |
| 03:40.21 | Bounty | dude came out of nowhere |
| 03:40.23 | Bounty | and bounced |
| 03:40.26 | Bounty | RAGE |
| 03:40.45 | Bounty | Because its such a retarded segway in a conversation A1win |
| 03:40.54 | Bounty | We're talking about aspect ratios |
| 03:41.03 | Bounty | and then we move directly to the New World Order and Chemtrails |
| 03:41.08 | Bounty | with no transition |
| 03:41.09 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:41.13 | Stewox | and then, listen this bounty, it's funny, they get into womans face about crossing the constitution, and the woman leaves in defeat along with the 2 policemans with her |
| 03:41.25 | Bounty | hold on, smoking |
| 03:41.28 | Bounty | then I will read |
| 03:41.30 | Bounty | :) |
| 03:41.47 | Stewox | anyways a1win |
| 03:41.56 | Stewox | what did you mean with 1080p on bottom ? |
| 03:42.05 | Stewox | in oculus rigt |
| 03:42.08 | A1win | ?? |
| 03:42.23 | A1win | nothing D: |
| 03:42.42 | Stewox | you said one eye on the bottom and one eye at the top |
| 03:42.47 | Stewox | what did that suppose to mean |
| 03:42.53 | A1win | it was a joke |
| 03:43.42 | Stewox | yeah because ... it's not like that |
| 03:43.45 | A1win | which you missed because we had not yet established a common definotion for 1080p |
| 03:43.57 | A1win | *i |
| 03:43.58 | Stewox | the 2 displays are horizontally, one left and one right |
| 03:44.06 | Stewox | it is |
| 03:44.17 | Stewox | but the media or companies may use it differently |
| 03:44.20 | A1win | that was the point |
| 03:44.27 | Stewox | however 1080p doesn't mean anything else |
| 03:44.30 | Bounty | hold on let me catch up |
| 03:44.31 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:44.39 | Stewox | you said you come back later |
| 03:44.46 | Stewox | speaking of smoking |
| 03:44.54 | Stewox | i have to show you the smoking gun bounty |
| 03:45.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:45.16 | Stewox | that woman that wanted to disperse the crowd at the Fed in dallas yesteday |
| 03:45.25 | Bounty | You there JademusSreg? |
| 03:45.28 | Stewox | came back like 30 mins or an hour later, with riot police |
| 03:45.48 | Stewox | listen this, then, there was 1 reporter who went to get the parked car |
| 03:46.19 | Bounty | quick question stewox |
| 03:46.27 | Stewox | and recorded the Fed-woman talking with riot special police "We need to get Alex Jones, we need to stop them standing up, we'll show them who controls the streets" |
| 03:46.34 | Bounty | Don't take this as an insult but how old are you |
| 03:46.46 | Bounty | I am all for this type of talk but I am curious |
| 03:46.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:46.55 | Stewox | well |
| 03:47.10 | Stewox | ... we should go into private, i'm taking a big risk here |
| 03:50.01 | Bounty | What type of monitor do you have A1win? |
| 03:50.06 | Bounty | Rockin that 120hz? |
| 04:01.04 | A1win | nah |
| 04:01.39 | A1win | fairly cheap benq monitors |
| 04:03.44 | Bounty | monitorS? |
| 04:03.45 | Bounty | 3? |
| 04:04.30 | A1win | 2 |
| 04:05.02 | A1win | I don't play games much anymore |
| 04:05.53 | Bounty | same |
| 04:06.04 | Bounty | Can't remember the last time I played a game *sadface* |
| 04:06.06 | A1win | not that this is a bad setup for them anyway |
| 04:07.52 | A1win | typing from bed on my nexus 7 :x mobile irc is like the best thing since... irc |
| 04:09.00 | A1win | can connect to this linux shell from anywhere |
| 04:09.06 | A1win | over ssh |
| 04:10.02 | A1win | ugh already 6:09 in the morning |
| 04:10.40 | A1win | I swear I'll put this device down now |
| 04:11.34 | A1win | I wonder if I'll ever manage to unlock this while sleeping |
| 04:12.16 | A1win | a friend of mine once wrote on irc in his sleep |
| 04:12.32 | A1win | wasn't very sensical text |
| 04:12.57 | A1win | still some recognizable words |
| 05:05.10 | Stewox | well, where was i, from before, here's a funny video of alex unloading the fliers from the pickup, right there on the road at the federal reserve hah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVbBmBqWe_E |
| 05:05.25 | Stewox | 30 thousand of them |
| 05:05.32 | Stewox | oh shit wrong channel |
| 05:09.22 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:09.48 | Bounty | You've said enough to me Stewox, and I think I have made my point to you as well |
| 05:09.55 | Bounty | >.< |
| 05:13.15 | Bounty | Like I said, some of what Alex Jones says is actually true but the majority of what he says can be summed up in this video Stewox http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDbZxEjCQpM |
| 05:13.17 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:14.58 | Stewox | he said actually |
| 05:15.27 | Stewox | that freemasons were taken over, even if they weren't part of the elite and just guarding the knowledge how to build castles and stuff like that |
| 05:15.44 | Bounty | lol.... Joe Rogan was not quoting him |
| 05:15.53 | Stewox | i know |
| 05:16.03 | Bounty | So why did you feel the need to say that |
| 05:16.07 | Bounty | Look man |
| 05:16.16 | Stewox | you don't suppose to try to debunk alex on listening to one of the shows and all it a day |
| 05:16.22 | Bounty | Do more research is the best I can tell you |
| 05:16.27 | Bounty | You know my stance |
| 05:16.56 | Bounty | Its hard to tell the horseshit from meh from truth |
| 05:28.45 | Stewox | hey mooneater916 |
| 05:29.00 | Stewox | wanna get into some sc2 map playout |
| 05:29.28 | Stewox | i've got a funny one , just goofing around, not serious, but i want to see what people think of it |
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| 05:49.52 | JademusSreg | Porglefark. |
| 05:51.50 | Bounty | da fuck |
| 05:51.56 | Bounty | you making up words again bro? |
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| 06:06.20 | G0A | map night tonight |
| 06:07.06 | Bounty | What is your timezone G0A |
| 06:07.10 | Bounty | because its 1am here |
| 06:07.11 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:08.12 | Ahli | 7am, I just got up |
| 06:10.29 | Bounty | You foreigners and yer "other" timezones |
| 06:21.23 | JademusSreg | Since purl's logs were scrubbed, here's a link to a hilarious discussion: https://pastee.org/muq8u |
| 06:25.58 | Ahli | I only read the first 4 lines and I'm already thinking "WTF" |
| 06:27.16 | G0A | Bounty GMT+1 |
| 06:27.50 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:28.42 | Bounty | I had a conversation with one of my friends tonight about Alex Jones and we both agreed. I think if any one of us believed everything he said was true we would be at the whitehouse 24/7 |
| 06:29.53 | Ahli | what's a smart meter? |
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| 06:32.50 | JademusSreg | And here's the one that ended with a ban: https://pastee.org/tc3zu |
| 06:33.01 | JademusSreg | Seems relevant./ |
| 06:33.41 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:33.56 | Bounty | JademusSreg is on a purl quest today |
| 06:34.01 | ArcanePariah | Indeed |
| 06:34.02 | Bounty | :) |
| 06:34.17 | JademusSreg | Naw, these are my personal logs. All the way back to 2010. |
| 06:34.21 | Bounty | Thankfully I am not the recipient of this one |
| 06:34.23 | JademusSreg | (for this channel) |
| 06:34.35 | ArcanePariah | True, I have this channel logged as well |
| 06:34.51 | Bounty | What are you guys, NSA agents? |
| 06:34.52 | Bounty | :) |
| 06:34.58 | JademusSreg | Never know what useful information might be dumped into the channel. =D |
| 06:35.01 | Bounty | Gonna read that last log now |
| 06:35.05 | Bounty | sounds like a goodie |
| 06:35.20 | Bounty | psh, I think you just save that shit to use it against us |
| 06:35.24 | Bounty | like me |
| 06:35.29 | Bounty | No shortage of stuff to use against me |
| 06:35.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:35.41 | Bounty | anyways, reading that log now |
| 06:35.56 | Bounty | I don't appreciate you ruining the end of the plot though |
| 06:36.01 | Bounty | with the banning thing |
| 06:36.01 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 06:36.06 | ArcanePariah | I would argue that at some point, people and society at large will adjust to the avaiability of information on anyone and new social norms will form |
| 06:36.06 | JademusSreg | Oops. |
| 06:36.59 | JademusSreg | Yeah, reasonable speculation. |
| 06:37.28 | ArcanePariah | However I do believe it will take a long time, because the internet redefines many norms that have been conditioned into Home Sapien for thousands of years |
| 06:39.03 | ArcanePariah | An interesting and probably forever ongoing question will the nature of communication, namely that anonymity grants enormous freedom but such freedom is now abused quite heavily to the point of being dangerous |
| 06:39.05 | JademusSreg | Societies and their cultures benefit from mortality, keeps shit fresh as those who hold old customs and biases are extinguished. |
| 06:39.47 | ArcanePariah | Although I can not physically harm a person via the internet, I can exert a emotional or mental influence that can have equally lethal results |
| 06:40.08 | ArcanePariah | Possibly even more destructive then if I had simply done physical harm |
| 06:40.23 | JademusSreg | So one could ballpark a figure based on the introduction of a given technology and generational timeframes. |
| 06:40.43 | ArcanePariah | In that case, we are looking at least 30 years |
| 06:41.09 | ArcanePariah | In 30 years, people that were born pre widespread internet adoption will be dead |
| 06:41.36 | ArcanePariah | Basically everyone 60 years old right now |
| 06:41.38 | ArcanePariah | or older |
| 06:41.50 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 06:44.24 | Ahli | can you really determine the age of rocks on the moon? |
| 06:45.25 | JademusSreg | (I personally can, yes. Dunno about the rest of you.) |
| 06:45.41 | Bounty | I can date them |
| 06:45.44 | Kueken | exacts vengeance on Ahli |
| 06:46.29 | Bounty | The date of the moon is typically between Old as shit BC and Holy shit that's old BCC |
| 06:46.47 | Bounty | Give or take a C |
| 06:47.09 | Bounty | Also |
| 06:47.11 | Bounty | Please |
| 06:47.12 | Bounty | fucking |
| 06:47.15 | Bounty | watch this |
| 06:47.17 | Bounty | for a good laugh |
| 06:47.18 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2w2TRxSLxw |
| 06:49.50 | JademusSreg | Can't. Was concerned it might commit to my memory. |
| 06:50.06 | G0A | Bounty I wonder if he read "Forever war" book |
| 06:51.27 | Bounty | Just watch it JademusSreg |
| 06:51.35 | Bounty | It will comit to your memory in a good way |
| 06:51.37 | Bounty | shits hillarious |
| 06:51.51 | Bounty | and its short |
| 06:58.21 | JademusSreg | Oh, and I'll have to work on the image Friday* night. Busy getting my girls prepared for a trip. |
| 06:59.18 | Bounty | That's fine JademusSreg |
| 06:59.38 | Bounty | It still has some leeway lol |
| 06:59.57 | Bounty | Not a shit load but you get the idea |
| 07:05.37 | JademusSreg | gets all the ideas. |
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| 07:51.42 | Bounty | DeadZergling |
| 07:51.50 | DeadZergling | Bounty |
| 07:51.51 | Bounty | You forgot to heil me |
| 07:51.53 | Bounty | bro |
| 07:51.57 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:52.02 | Bounty | DEATH! |
| 07:52.19 | DeadZergling | wouldn't have bothered you as much at that time |
| 07:52.28 | DeadZergling | I'll wait until the opportunity presents itself |
| 07:52.31 | Bounty | :( |
| 07:52.34 | Bounty | but |
| 07:52.40 | Bounty | it hurts me, where I live |
| 07:52.45 | Bounty | *points to heart* |
| 07:52.58 | Bounty | btw |
| 07:53.06 | Bounty | that is a good arguement for that -1 kill debate |
| 07:53.09 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:53.21 | Bounty | argument* |
| 07:53.49 | DeadZergling | the other spelling is probably british |
| 07:54.03 | Bounty | in that it makes more sense? |
| 07:54.31 | Bounty | argument to me looks like "ARGOO MENT" |
| 07:54.37 | DeadZergling | oh no, I'm not European, at least not any more |
| 07:54.45 | DeadZergling | 100 years removed! |
| 07:55.12 | DeadZergling | I just keep the devil's hours |
| 07:55.36 | DeadZergling | Typically in chat with europeans far more than Americans |
| 07:56.37 | Bounty | word |
| 07:56.52 | DeadZergling | not that there is anythign wrong with that |
| 07:57.23 | Bounty | I made a very "russian" post on facebook tonight :) |
| 07:57.34 | DeadZergling | anyways, important research going on here, revising my alcohol based ability names for my Jack Daniels Mage |
| 07:57.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:58.07 | Bounty | I thought someone already did that gimmick? |
| 07:58.14 | Bounty | with that RPG |
| 07:58.23 | Bounty | Drunken Bounty Hunter or w/e |
| 07:58.31 | DeadZergling | dunno/care |
| 07:58.36 | DeadZergling | is their game, not mine |
| 07:59.10 | DeadZergling | characters being known to drink isn't exactly new to any game |
| 08:00.01 | Bounty | You should name them after people in this IRC |
| 08:00.12 | Bounty | I personally would love to see that game |
| 08:00.19 | JademusSreg | considers a character class which regens ability power by mainlining heroin. |
| 08:00.36 | Bounty | Not to see myself, I would most likely be horrified at what someone would create based on me |
| 08:01.00 | Bounty | To bad Blizzard would ban that map JademusSreg :( |
| 08:01.04 | DeadZergling | what is the most russian/german looking terran unit int he game |
| 08:01.24 | Bounty | the infested russian dude |
| 08:01.25 | Bounty | Stakov |
| 08:01.27 | Bounty | or w/e |
| 08:01.31 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:01.33 | DeadZergling | guessing that is hots though |
| 08:01.41 | JademusSreg | Stukov. |
| 08:01.45 | Bounty | https://www.google.com/#q=sc2+stukov |
| 08:01.49 | Bounty | yeah I think so |
| 08:02.01 | Bounty | Hes russian/german as shit though |
| 08:02.12 | DeadZergling | yep, he certainly is |
| 08:02.32 | DeadZergling | can anyone play for any expansion in arcade now? |
| 08:02.45 | Bounty | I would think so |
| 08:02.46 | DeadZergling | or is that a 2.1 thing |
| 08:02.59 | JademusSreg | You can't discern a russian accent from a german accent? Haha |
| 08:03.04 | Bounty | If they made it FTP for only WoL... that would be an epic fail. |
| 08:03.14 | Bounty | Appearance wise Jade |
| 08:03.24 | DeadZergling | I don't actually care about that JademusSreg |
| 08:03.27 | DeadZergling | just the look |
| 08:03.42 | DeadZergling | Bounty, has 10-20 civs following him |
| 08:03.47 | DeadZergling | he attacks by throwing them at you |
| 08:03.57 | JademusSreg | I'm not actually following the discussion. |
| 08:04.01 | Bounty | Stukov looks mostly Russian but he could pass for a gestapo officer exposed to shit loads of radiation. |
| 08:04.02 | DeadZergling | Power of the people! |
| 08:04.31 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:04.37 | DeadZergling | when he dies all the civilians following him die in a shower of irradiation gas |
| 08:04.37 | Bounty | I would play that game |
| 08:04.44 | Bounty | rofl |
| 08:04.49 | Bounty | Make that game |
| 08:04.59 | Bounty | what would JademusSreg be? |
| 08:05.04 | DeadZergling | I don't need any new mini-bosses just yet |
| 08:05.12 | DeadZergling | I could make that though if I wanted |
| 08:05.20 | Bounty | We all could |
| 08:05.38 | Bounty | Its just, who is going to make the Super Smash Bros of this IRC? |
| 08:06.16 | DeadZergling | JademusSreg? he would just be an overlord, he doesn't do much usually |
| 08:06.24 | DeadZergling | but rarely does a ridiculously powerful ability |
| 08:06.26 | DeadZergling | out of nowhere |
| 08:06.27 | Bounty | Also, I have a correction for your interpretation of me |
| 08:06.44 | DeadZergling | you would also eat the civilians sometimes to regain health? |
| 08:06.53 | Bounty | You should have it so civilians surround me and they randomly attack enemies, but whenever they do I sentence them to death. |
| 08:06.58 | JademusSreg | *Overseer |
| 08:07.21 | ArcanePariah | Sigh.. how could anyone think Stukov is anything but russian? |
| 08:07.38 | Bounty | 03:03] <Bounty> Stukov looks mostly Russian but he could pass for a gestapo officer exposed to shit loads of radiation. |
| 08:07.43 | Bounty | Nobody was arguing that :) |
| 08:07.50 | ArcanePariah | Looks MOSTLY??? lol |
| 08:07.57 | Bounty | yeah |
| 08:08.02 | Bounty | he could pass for a german nazi |
| 08:08.08 | Bounty | with face issues |
| 08:08.11 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:08.30 | JademusSreg | Looks like a fermented orange rind to me. |
| 08:09.08 | ArcanePariah | Where's Zolden when you need him lol |
| 08:09.14 | DeadZergling | Changed my mind, JademusSreg is Stetmann :P |
| 08:09.30 | Bounty | You know hes actually a boss in the game I'm working on JademusSreg? |
| 08:09.33 | Bounty | Named him Vladamir |
| 08:09.35 | Bounty | lolol |
| 08:09.51 | Bounty | Vladimir* |
| 08:09.55 | Bounty | or whatever it is |
| 08:10.03 | JademusSreg | Don't forget to put the source on github. |
| 08:10.05 | ArcanePariah | Vladamir is such an overused russian name |
| 08:10.34 | Bounty | http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b506/apeot2002/Starcraft%202%20HotS/SC22013-08-2622-16-09-04_zpsd153734f.jpg |
| 08:10.34 | JademusSreg | prefers Lef Nicolaiovich. |
| 08:10.44 | Bounty | If only the soviets had dudes that looked like that |
| 08:10.46 | Bounty | >.< |
| 08:11.28 | Bounty | I thought Vladimir was a transylvanian name for some reason |
| 08:12.03 | DeadZergling | shhhh, don't want Simon Belmont busting in here |
| 08:12.11 | DeadZergling | and whipping all the damn candles |
| 08:12.20 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:15.18 | Bounty | So, a friend and I were talking about what we would do if the economic system collapsed |
| 08:15.26 | Bounty | Like, what would your first move be |
| 08:16.05 | Bounty | We agree he should just kill himself because he lives close to Philly, so its only a matter of time before they invade |
| 08:16.06 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:16.47 | JademusSreg | I expect most people would just starve. |
| 08:16.55 | Bounty | Nah |
| 08:17.08 | Bounty | I think most people would get killed, raped and then they would steal your rice |
| 08:17.39 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 08:23.06 | DeadZergling | Not sure what I'd do really, besides carry my shotgun with me at all times |
| 08:25.07 | Bounty | Makes you wish you had a shotgun now just in case it happened tomorrow lol |
| 08:25.11 | Bounty | In which case I am fucked |
| 08:25.14 | Bounty | I have no guns :( |
| 08:25.33 | DeadZergling | I have one, just is at a relative's house since my complex doesn't allow guns |
| 08:25.53 | Bounty | Better have enough gas to get there and back then :) |
| 08:26.01 | Bounty | I am still fucked though |
| 08:26.17 | Bounty | I think I would just booby trap my house like Home Alone |
| 08:26.38 | DeadZergling | why not just have the traps be you know, fatal |
| 08:26.41 | DeadZergling | instead of comedic |
| 08:26.48 | Bounty | I would |
| 08:26.59 | DeadZergling | still fucked though |
| 08:27.02 | Bounty | Marbles on the floor + nails |
| 08:27.03 | DeadZergling | kid had a gun |
| 08:27.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:27.19 | Bounty | he did? |
| 08:27.21 | Bounty | Been awhile |
| 08:27.24 | DeadZergling | and old man winter with a snow shovel |
| 08:27.27 | DeadZergling | in the first one he did |
| 08:27.34 | Bounty | Ah yeah |
| 08:27.37 | DeadZergling | second one he did, but he didn't hold it |
| 08:27.42 | Bounty | Now I remember |
| 08:27.42 | DeadZergling | it was a nailgun that time |
| 08:27.56 | Bounty | I'll just make a model of a gun |
| 08:27.58 | Bounty | really fast |
| 08:28.03 | Bounty | OR |
| 08:28.11 | Bounty | I could go with the traditional Bounty method |
| 08:28.19 | Bounty | Wipe out everyone in X amount of radius as soon as possible |
| 08:28.23 | Bounty | and steal their food |
| 08:28.24 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:29.04 | DeadZergling | yes, haha, probably better to just know you'd be fucked, lol |
| 08:29.21 | Bounty | May as well go with that option |
| 08:29.32 | Bounty | If I fail, end up the same way |
| 08:29.40 | Bounty | If I win... hopefully I get some pizza rolls |
| 08:30.04 | DeadZergling | well no one can say you weren't ambitious... |
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| 08:30.16 | DeadZergling | I'll wipe out everyone to score pizza rolls! |
| 08:30.24 | Bounty | knowing my luck |
| 08:30.30 | Bounty | I would wipe out everyone on the block |
| 08:30.34 | Bounty | Then someone shows up with a gun |
| 08:30.39 | Bounty | and I lose the whole fucking block |
| 08:30.41 | Bounty | haha |
| 08:31.27 | DeadZergling | knowing your luck, first house you visit has someone like me who likes to carry a shotgun everywhere |
| 08:31.40 | Bounty | Nah |
| 08:31.43 | DeadZergling | and your little escapade ends right there |
| 08:31.43 | Bounty | Would have to be the second |
| 08:31.46 | Bounty | Just to give me false hope |
| 08:33.08 | DeadZergling | yes, I'm sure murdering a woman in cold blood, only to have a little 5 year old girl scream and want to know why you killed her mommy, only to have to chase her down |
| 08:33.13 | DeadZergling | would fill you with lots of hope |
| 08:33.23 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:33.41 | Bounty | Pretty sure I would puss out of this ever happened |
| 08:33.54 | Bounty | Most likely |
| 08:34.06 | Bounty | I would try to download as much information on foraging I could |
| 08:34.10 | Bounty | and just head for the woods |
| 08:34.47 | DeadZergling | head north for Canada |
| 08:34.57 | Bounty | We have a 2001 Ford Focus |
| 08:35.00 | DeadZergling | if you gonna die of starvation, might as well be around very polite people |
| 08:35.01 | Bounty | No way we're making that trip |
| 08:35.23 | Bounty | Plus we live in Jersey |
| 08:35.34 | Bounty | There are no "peaceful" towns on the way out of this |
| 08:35.36 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:35.55 | Bounty | Pretty sure its Philly, Camden, New York or Trenton |
| 08:36.00 | DeadZergling | Jersey, how you get away with not owning a gun? |
| 08:36.30 | Bounty | We live in a good area |
| 08:36.31 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:36.42 | Bounty | for now at least |
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| 08:41.50 | Bounty | vwoosh |
| 08:59.35 | DeadZergling | So much for being able to play HoTS arcade games, you most certainly cannot still, lol |
| 09:00.15 | Ahli | 2.1 isn't out, yet. or is the ptr here and I didn't notice it? |
| 09:01.41 | DeadZergling | isn't out as of 5 minutes ago |
| 09:01.55 | DeadZergling | got a chance to read reviews on egod's map though, lol |
| 09:02.37 | DeadZergling | surprised his rating isn't lower with the bugs getting listed |
| 09:03.01 | duckies | you're talking about that 5 min diablo2 demo of his? |
| 09:03.12 | DeadZergling | no, the actual map posted on bnet |
| 09:03.45 | duckies | the actual d2 map he posted on b-net that lasts around 5 minutes before ending? |
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| 09:04.06 | DeadZergling | oh, I didn't actually play it |
| 09:04.17 | DeadZergling | figured he didn't need his star rating lowered more |
| 09:05.52 | duckies | if you're curious, he had 2 maps last time I checked, map 1 - area 1 + den of evil, map2-area2 + blood raven (maybe, he required you to beat 1st map to play second) |
| 09:06.25 | duckies | so yea, it was silly |
| 09:06.52 | DeadZergling | not even fitting the first crap into one map? |
| 09:06.59 | DeadZergling | that is just awful |
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| 09:10.12 | DeadZergling | didn't you fit the entirety of diablo into one map Ahli ? |
| 09:11.39 | Ahli | yes |
| 09:12.02 | Ahli | but I make 5 levels inaccessible because hell dungeon replaces them |
| 09:12.45 | Ahli | but I'm not using screenshots of D2 terrain as my terrain |
| 09:13.26 | DeadZergling | perhaps not, but not even having the rogue camp phase in one map |
| 09:13.32 | DeadZergling | but split into two |
| 09:13.37 | DeadZergling | that is just bleh |
| 09:14.13 | Ahli | I need to count the amount of areas in D2's first act, hang on ^^ |
| 09:14.39 | Ahli | btw, if you make a more open terrain, you can just downscale everything, I assume |
| 09:15.05 | DeadZergling | sure, my RPG downscales almost everything |
| 09:15.09 | DeadZergling | to make my map seem bigger |
| 09:15.19 | DeadZergling | I made the camera about 40 % as fast moving too |
| 09:15.23 | Ahli | I can't because of 1x1 walls ^^ |
| 09:17.49 | Ahli | D2's first act would have 32 areas |
| 09:17.57 | Ahli | with all cave stuff |
| 09:18.06 | duckies | whn you downscale, do you also scale down movement click and waypoints models so that they don't look as huge? |
| 09:18.30 | DeadZergling | I probably did at some point, but they aren't that bad looking atm really |
| 09:20.40 | duckies | hm, since he artificially paints terrain with sprites, I'd think it would be possible to dymically generate it when needed. the compromises that he'd have to make would still be better than loading different map to play, probably |
| 09:21.09 | duckies | but I hate that map due aesthetics anyway =D |
| 09:22.01 | Ahli | it's funny when you walk over a house ^^ |
| 09:22.06 | DeadZergling | I have issues playing SC2 versions of maps I have the CDs for |
| 09:22.25 | DeadZergling | that and diablo 1 only ever lasts me a couple days to playthrough to hell mode win anyways |
| 09:22.56 | duckies | have you played "the hell" mod for diablo1? |
| 09:23.12 | DeadZergling | nope, didn't sound very interesting |
| 09:23.12 | Ahli | I did :D |
| 09:23.31 | duckies | it's a very good enhancement of D1 |
| 09:24.00 | duckies | try it, you don't blitz through all difficulties on that one too :D |
| 09:24.26 | duckies | I know you did ahli, you credit it in your map, thumbs up for good research material =D |
| 09:24.40 | Ahli | thumps up for noticing it |
| 09:25.01 | Ahli | I loved how he made item's max durability decrease instead of directly removing the item |
| 09:25.36 | Ahli | works well in combination with items that can raise the durability again... |
| 09:25.43 | DeadZergling | durability counters |
| 09:25.43 | duckies | ^^ |
| 09:25.49 | DeadZergling | never cared for them :P |
| 09:26.35 | DeadZergling | was enough weak sauce to have to get the item the first time |
| 09:26.50 | DeadZergling | now I gotta baby it or keep a replacement on hand? |
| 09:27.11 | DeadZergling | I know it is a realistic RPG element and all, but fuck that, lol |
| 09:27.29 | DeadZergling | did you ever find Fatal Labyrinth by the way, duckies? |
| 09:28.32 | duckies | I found it on youtube, combat kinda reminded me of roguelikes |
| 09:29.12 | duckies | walking into enemies for attacking didn't feel compelling to me though |
| 09:29.14 | DeadZergling | is oddly addictive, although my last run kinda ruined it for me |
| 09:29.40 | DeadZergling | combining one scroll with a cursed spear = an insanely powerful weapon that 1 shots almost everything |
| 09:29.44 | DeadZergling | 3 shotted the final boss |
| 09:30.14 | duckies | ;/ |
| 09:30.45 | Ahli | which abilities should I give to diablo? |
| 09:31.04 | DeadZergling | inferno only, but make inferno not suck? |
| 09:31.14 | DeadZergling | original had apocalypse I know |
| 09:31.15 | duckies | you think iconic stuff wouldn't be enough? |
| 09:31.38 | DeadZergling | I'm okay with low graphic rpgs though |
| 09:31.46 | DeadZergling | I used to frequent several BBS rpgs |
| 09:32.18 | Ahli | D1's diablo has apocalypse (play cast animation, play flame model on enemy, deal damage, if attack hits). melee attack pushes enemy backwards |
| 09:32.29 | duckies | his red lighnting, fire nova, bone prison.. the diablo2 stuff. Somehow his D1 spammy apocalypse attack that hits everything felt like bs |
| 09:33.25 | duckies | I admit, I just like red lighning, it's unique and looks/feels awesome |
| 09:34.25 | DeadZergling | depends what you wanna do though Ahli |
| 09:34.35 | DeadZergling | simulate the real diablo as much as possible, or do your own thing |
| 09:35.04 | Ahli | I would like him to be a more modern boss monster and not just another monster |
| 09:35.15 | duckies | and my first experience with apocalypse was ->stun->stun->stun->dead in 3 hits due to lack of fire resists.. had to spam potions+hydras and run away on my first rogue playthrough :D |
| 09:36.28 | duckies | diablo 3 is a pretty good example of a modern diablo boss monster |
| 09:36.43 | duckies | just don't add the breasts |
| 09:37.27 | Ahli | atm his model is the D3 version I found on the chinese site |
| 09:37.39 | Ahli | but it has no death animation |
| 09:38.05 | duckies | well, just make her immortal then, problem solved! :3 |
| 09:38.56 | DeadZergling | could just use a red archon |
| 09:38.57 | DeadZergling | lol |
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| 09:40.38 | DeadZergling | more modern huh, not sure what that means, I've been killing bosses a good while now... the tricks always remain the same |
| 09:41.06 | DeadZergling | having different phases would definitely be a good one though |
| 09:42.23 | duckies | I think it means telegraphed dodgeable attacks with phases, yea |
| 09:42.56 | duckies | but then again, if most stuff can be dodged, boss stops being a threat |
| 09:43.07 | DeadZergling | Like just have the first 30 % be classic Diablo |
| 09:43.24 | DeadZergling | then he gets a good deal stronger, and spawns adds all over |
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| 09:43.35 | DeadZergling | then at 60 % he gets a lot meaner, starts throwing whole new shit at you |
| 09:43.41 | DeadZergling | something like that |
| 09:44.40 | duckies | I absolutely hate bosses that spawn minions, I like the duel "me vs you" kind of guys, but then again, if there is only one threat source it becomes easy |
| 09:44.57 | DeadZergling | which is why he should |
| 09:45.05 | DeadZergling | he is meant to be the finale to hell |
| 09:45.14 | duckies | though I would be okay with him spawning some sort of unkillable lightning orbs that can zap you if they get close to you |
| 09:45.15 | DeadZergling | should be hard as hell |
| 09:45.57 | duckies | it just feel weak "I'm the ultimate bad guy, so I'll display how powerful I am with this minion onslaught" |
| 09:46.08 | duckies | maybe it would be fine on start phase though |
| 09:46.19 | duckies | when boss just tests your skills |
| 09:46.25 | DeadZergling | is why it happens at first 30 % damage |
| 09:46.29 | DeadZergling | not for the finale |
| 09:46.53 | DeadZergling | but anyways |
| 09:47.01 | DeadZergling | was just an example for Ahli really :) |
| 09:47.25 | duckies | yes |
| 09:47.31 | duckies | hm, now I want to make a boss |
| 09:47.50 | duckies | a boss that can bitchslap you into a wall |
| 09:47.59 | duckies | with a hit so strong that it breaks the wall |
| 09:48.04 | duckies | revealing a hidden room |
| 09:48.15 | DeadZergling | just make a marine that does 1000 damage |
| 09:48.22 | DeadZergling | ultimate hard boss instantly |
| 09:48.51 | Ahli | enter level, cast hydra, leave level |
| 09:49.04 | Ahli | when he is at the stairs, you are doomed |
| 09:58.15 | JademusSreg | Forksnorkle fuckjuggle dongsnoggle dorkporkle. |
| 10:00.24 | DeadZergling | could add an amusing twist to him too if you want |
| 10:00.29 | DeadZergling | Allow him to use ice spells |
| 10:00.50 | JademusSreg | I agree; twisting people is often amusing. |
| 10:02.17 | JademusSreg | Does this concern Diahliblo? |
| 10:06.31 | DeadZergling | aye, he is trying to come up with a modern boss design for him |
| 10:06.54 | DeadZergling | but instead I gave him ideas on how to make him good |
| 10:07.04 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 10:07.17 | DeadZergling | as a modern boss's design is to be a loot pinata that dies in 1 or 2 minutes |
| 10:07.36 | JademusSreg | Hm, sounds rather cynical. |
| 10:07.55 | DeadZergling | it is, but killed too many bosses not to be |
| 10:08.02 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 10:09.36 | JademusSreg | I think I caught some parts of the discussion earlier, and yeah, some good ideas. |
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| 10:15.05 | JademusSreg | The avoidable:lethal relationship is useful in many kinds of gameplay. =D |
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| 11:12.08 | Kueken1 | uuh, an impostor |
| 11:12.35 | Kueken1 | let me fix that... |
| 11:13.04 | Kueken | alright |
| 11:13.36 | DeadZergling | think that was Lajila |
| 11:13.37 | Kueken | so what did I do? :> |
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| 11:13.53 | Kueken | :-* |
| 11:14.08 | DeadZergling | nothing much, just said everyone hates me as usual |
| 11:14.20 | Kueken | sounds like me |
| 11:17.00 | Zolden | DeadZergling hey, what are you doing? |
| 11:17.15 | DeadZergling | Continuing my tour in Validator Land |
| 11:17.25 | DeadZergling | I'm onto making ridiculously large sets atm... |
| 11:17.31 | Zolden | wanna make a break and go check my map? |
| 11:18.18 | DeadZergling | sure, just give me a min or two |
| 11:18.22 | Zolden | ok |
| 11:20.18 | G0A | can I come too? |
| 11:20.20 | DeadZergling | there, just had to stuff all my super-sets into my switch, lol |
| 11:20.25 | Zolden | my acc -> starcraft://profile/1/1746045377104052224 |
| 11:20.28 | Zolden | G0A yea, come |
| 11:20.43 | Zolden | G0A on NA |
| 11:20.52 | G0A | got bored making survival mode for heroes of entropy |
| 11:21.17 | G0A | so you kept it uploaded to NA |
| 11:21.27 | Zolden | G0A there's a funny named map i saw on na, "Desert Squadron Strike" |
| 11:21.44 | G0A | yeah I know of it:D |
| 11:21.56 | Kueken | did someone make Dessert Strike yet? :) |
| 11:22.08 | G0A | its almost exactly like NSS, but with desert strike like setup |
| 11:22.14 | Zolden | yea, i kept, and i still think it can be pushed higher, but if it won't work, than it will wait in the shadow of private until it's polished as hitler's moustache |
| 11:22.24 | DeadZergling | dunno how to use that number Zolden, I'm Deadzergling at 596 |
| 11:22.27 | DeadZergling | on NA |
| 11:22.36 | Zolden | ok |
| 11:26.33 | Ahli | I just should quit when I play a priest in hearthstone |
| 11:26.43 | Ahli | it's so frustrating to play against |
| 11:27.32 | Ahli | just destroys minions, copies your cards, mindcontrols your minions, |
| 11:29.58 | Ahli | it's the *sshole class of the game |
| 11:30.19 | duckies | fun fact, goa plays priest :D |
| 11:30.29 | duckies | and, I agree :D |
| 11:31.26 | duckies | btw, G0A gonna have some updates for heroes this MN? |
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| 11:34.51 | Ahli | I only play the daily quest sh*t atm for gold |
| 11:35.07 | Ahli | I just need to win 5 games with mage and I've 2 quests done >_> |
| 11:35.10 | Ahli | lost twice now |
| 11:46.46 | G0A | duckies I did some fixes on heroes and made it faster after last map nigth, hopefully I will finish the survival mode today. though I doubt it |
| 11:47.09 | G0A | Also did some polishing on Random Slide.) |
| 11:48.33 | G0A | Ahli yeah thats why I play priest |
| 11:50.45 | Ahli | first win incoming, enemy has no cards on hand left |
| 11:51.39 | Ahli | arcane explosion killing 6 minions ^^ |
| 11:52.58 | duckies | I hope I can fix my hardware issues by evening, otherwise might be forced to skip todays mn :I |
| 12:02.14 | G0A | pff Battlenet launcher eats 100k from the memory |
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| 12:11.54 | Ahli | I hate it when games take 20 minutes because the enemy has to think all the time |
| 12:12.41 | duckies | yea, I also hate enemies who think :3 |
| 12:12.48 | A1win | in real life card games you can punch them |
| 12:13.02 | duckies | when they think I think back so that we can both suffer |
| 12:13.28 | duckies | that'll teach them to be rude! (thinking) |
| 12:13.35 | Ahli | he has 2 mana |
| 12:13.50 | Ahli | it's a rematch. I play vs that guy again |
| 12:13.59 | A1win | speaking of which, we have our 6th Android: Netrunner tournament the day after tomorrow o: |
| 12:14.14 | G0A | heartstone is full of hate, it was a good call from them to disable gamechat:) |
| 12:14.25 | Ahli | yeah |
| 12:15.27 | A1win | ...and I need to build new decks, haven't played at all since the tournament we had last month >_> |
| 12:18.05 | Ahli | now he had the perfect cards to beat me and won 30 0 |
| 12:18.43 | Ahli | time to redo my mage deck |
| 12:19.27 | duckies | it's like that one and only time in arena where every single enemy I met had a perfect start and perfect strategy to completely nullify whatever I was doing |
| 12:19.47 | duckies | losing t_t |
| 12:21.38 | Ahli | so, now I've less taunts, more spells.... will see how it goes |
| 12:22.12 | G0A | best strategy to have cards which make you pull more cards in your hand so you counter anything done by the opponent. |
| 12:22.28 | Ahli | I need a second monitor, so I can learn while waiting for the enemy |
| 12:28.19 | G0A | I should make a bot which plays heartstone instead of me, hmm... |
| 12:30.16 | Ahli | I'm trying to survive intil I get flamestrike... he plays too much stuff |
| 12:32.40 | G0A | hmm, do only way to set doodad's position is by actor message? |
| 12:32.47 | G0A | (with triggers) |
| 12:35.54 | A1win | yup |
| 12:36.22 | A1win | why do you need some other way? |
| 12:36.59 | G0A | I was just wondering |
| 12:53.06 | Ahli | I hope he dies the card death |
| 12:53.13 | Ahli | mage vs mage :X |
| 12:54.47 | Ahli | he has 1 card in his hand.... |
| 12:56.42 | Ahli | best win I ever had so far :D |
| 13:00.49 | G0A | what does immune in heartstone? |
| 13:01.15 | Ahli | ? |
| 13:01.18 | Ahli | never seen it |
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| 13:09.15 | Ahli | enemy is priest... I leave the match |
| 13:09.35 | Ahli | again |
| 13:12.40 | Ahli | murlocs and these damage totems... :X |
| 13:13.02 | Ahli | I assume I die in 5 turns |
| 13:13.11 | Ahli | oh only 4 |
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| 13:15.58 | G0A | Ahli damm you, you made me play heartstone instead of mapping |
| 13:16.19 | G0A | I manage to get an imba Hunter in the Arena |
| 13:16.57 | Ahli | immune seems to ignore everything |
| 13:17.01 | Ahli | damage for example |
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| 13:24.26 | Ahli | he has 1 card and his passive.... takes forever to think... |
| 13:24.38 | Ahli | enemy is 1 minion that kills him with 2 attacks |
| 13:25.26 | A1win | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_paralysis |
| 13:26.11 | Ahli | he cant kill my minion now as he was a hinter. passive was a must to lower my health closer to 0... |
| 13:26.19 | Ahli | *hunter |
| 13:27.10 | G0A | Analysis paralysis is the story of my life |
| 13:27.40 | Ahli | since he has no mind control, he won't benefit from the minion, so it wasn't wrong at all to play it vs my minion ^^ (my minion was that venture co merc that makes your own minions cost 3 mana more) |
| 13:29.14 | G0A | lol I have 2 sea giant in my hand |
| 13:29.35 | G0A | sea giants are so imba |
| 13:29.47 | G0A | cost less the more minions are on the ground |
| 13:33.28 | G0A | LOOOL |
| 13:33.34 | G0A | funniest game ever |
| 13:34.58 | G0A | dam I didnt press screenshot in time |
| 13:40.06 | Ahli | hearthstone doesn't create screenshots when you press print, does it? |
| 13:40.45 | G0A | dont know |
| 13:43.25 | Stewox | hello |
| 13:43.39 | Stewox | can someone test one map with me to try to use observer |
| 13:43.50 | Stewox | i still don't know |
| 13:48.16 | Ahli | if you have no option to become an observer in a game then you are playing a public game or you disabled observers in the map settings. |
| 13:50.49 | Stewox | i just want to test it i have no users online now |
| 13:50.58 | Stewox | can we setup a quick game please ? |
| 13:51.10 | Stewox | not a big deal |
| 13:51.33 | Stewox | plus I have a funny map i want to show, but it's 1 player map so I cant use it mapnight |
| 13:52.03 | Stewox | you're US or EU ? |
| 13:52.32 | Ahli | region doesn't matter anymore, lol |
| 13:52.43 | Ahli | where to go? |
| 13:53.12 | Stewox | EU, i only have the map on EU right now |
| 13:53.23 | Ahli | channel? |
| 13:53.54 | Stewox | im 693 |
| 13:54.01 | Stewox | sc2mapster or mapnight |
| 13:54.07 | Stewox | or .. let me see |
| 13:54.15 | Ahli | channel is much easier |
| 13:54.26 | Ahli | come to "sc2mapster" channel or group |
| 13:54.35 | Stewox | Arcade Map Night |
| 13:54.39 | Stewox | or Reddit |
| 13:57.33 | Stewox | should we talk here and then go back to Sc2 ? |
| 13:58.07 | Ahli | can you post a screenshot of the game variant? |
| 13:58.38 | Stewox | okay, yeah i did stuff in there also to make it faster when making all the CPUs i wanted and their difficulty and stuff |
| 13:58.43 | DeadZergling | done playing your map, going to bed Z |
| 13:58.48 | DeadZergling | I am undefeated still, 6 games later |
| 13:59.13 | Ahli | :o |
| 13:59.23 | Ahli | my best game was the first one I did in Zolden's map |
| 13:59.31 | Ahli | because I found a gold mine |
| 13:59.33 | Stewox | all tabs ? |
| 13:59.47 | Stewox | or just players |
| 13:59.48 | Ahli | oh the map is public |
| 14:00.51 | DeadZergling | i managed to get around no gold mine |
| 14:00.58 | DeadZergling | by dumping into farms |
| 14:01.00 | DeadZergling | kept sending |
| 14:01.30 | DeadZergling | i dislike how you waste the 20 % upgrade if you upgrade mine after btw Zolden :P |
| 14:01.43 | DeadZergling | and with that i'm off |
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| 14:02.57 | Ahli | stewox, can you try to make every slot "user"? then close the slots in game variants. |
| 14:04.54 | Ahli | when I forget an authenticator at home, I won't be able to log into my account, correct? |
| 14:05.05 | Stewox | here ahli http://i.imgur.com/PMj859Q.jpg |
| 14:05.35 | Ahli | stewox, can you try to make every slot "user"? then close the slots in game variants. (map was public, I checked these things already :D ) |
| 14:05.44 | Stewox | indeed that's what i had in mind |
| 14:05.52 | Ahli | if that won't work, I'm clueless ^^ |
| 14:06.48 | Ahli | btw, Zolden, top played ;) |
| 14:06.53 | Stewox | 2013 3:06:17 PM] Value 'T2 (5)' for '(7) Player 7' already exists in dependencies for '(12) Player 12' and has been converted in the game variant 'Miscellaneous - Other'. |
| 14:06.54 | Stewox | [11/22/2013 3:06:17 PM] Value 'T2 (6)' for '(8) Player 8' already exists in dependencies for '(14) Player 14' and has been converted in the game variant 'Miscellaneous - Other'. |
| 14:06.58 | Ahli | ignore |
| 14:07.02 | Ahli | editor is crap |
| 14:07.15 | Stewox | do i need 2 times |
| 14:07.22 | Stewox | i have 2 duplicates in variants |
| 14:07.26 | Stewox | maybe my mistake ? |
| 14:07.54 | Ahli | I've only 1 in the version I opened |
| 14:07.59 | Ahli | you only need one, I assume |
| 14:09.28 | Stewox | I see I can remove Computer values from these slots |
| 14:09.56 | Ahli | close the slots that you want for spectators |
| 14:10.24 | Stewox | closed ? |
| 14:10.32 | Stewox | weird |
| 14:10.40 | Stewox | and i have to Lock the setting ? |
| 14:11.28 | Ahli | controller: closed |
| 14:11.40 | Ahli | for 11 to end |
| 14:11.45 | Stewox | ok |
| 14:11.46 | Zolden | yea, gold mine seems to be imba |
| 14:12.20 | Ahli | with gold mine you can defend everything, with gold mine you can expand early for more mines (and more gold mines) |
| 14:12.40 | Zolden | true |
| 14:12.52 | Stewox | ok let's go test it |
| 14:18.28 | Stewox | ok lets test again |
| 14:21.05 | Ahli | battle.net sucks... can't go spectator... |
| 14:21.21 | Ahli | stewox, you should post that in editor bugs in their forums or something |
| 14:21.28 | Ahli | with screenshots of your settings |
| 14:21.52 | Ahli | also mention that the "disable observers" setting in the map options is NOT enabled |
| 14:22.45 | Stewox | you think this is only a problem for me or what the hell how do they have observers in PRO matches ? |
| 14:23.00 | Stewox | Jademussreg you ninkampoop |
| 14:23.13 | Ahli | maybe it's a problem of "misc" category? |
| 14:23.19 | Stewox | indeed |
| 14:23.37 | Ahli | I don't know much about the custom game side of sc2... I only publish stuff to the arcade |
| 14:23.58 | Stewox | arcade can have obs ? |
| 14:24.04 | Ahli | it's less buggy (but I can still add me to other teams with locked teams) |
| 14:24.06 | Ahli | yes |
| 14:24.47 | Ahli | but you should still post that in editor bugs or game bugs... |
| 14:25.06 | Ahli | it doesn't make sense that you can't become an observer when observers aren't forbidden |
| 14:26.20 | Stewox | i will but i'll try to make it work first rather than wait on the damn fix |
| 14:27.01 | Stewox | lol there is a Category |
| 14:27.05 | Stewox | Melee Spectator |
| 14:28.18 | Stewox | let me setup the CPUs |
| 14:32.31 | rtschutter | does anyone know how to make it so an upgrade does not appear in the upgrades leaderpanel? |
| 14:33.43 | Ahli | JademusSreg: remember that! I can't |
| 14:34.01 | JademusSreg | (Busy) |
| 14:35.05 | Stewox | any minute now |
| 14:35.29 | rtschutter | someone is having problems with observers? |
| 14:37.09 | Ahli | yes, stewox' map can't have observers for some reason |
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| 14:37.17 | Ahli | fix your internet :D |
| 14:37.36 | Ahli | yes, stewox's map can't have observers for some reason |
| 14:37.43 | rts | that is a game variants issue |
| 14:37.50 | rts | if you ever try to modify a game variant |
| 14:38.01 | rts | while you have players set to computers in player properties |
| 14:38.06 | rts | it breaks observers for some reason |
| 14:38.10 | Stewox | instead of Miscalaneous |
| 14:38.16 | Stewox | i've added Melee Spectator now |
| 14:38.18 | rts | or at least is used to, I haven't used game variants in a long time |
| 14:38.19 | Stewox | let's see what happens |
| 14:38.22 | Ahli | rts, did you ever report that issue? :D |
| 14:38.35 | Stewox | no because I found it out only now |
| 14:38.38 | rts | I brought it up on sc2mapster probably like 5 times |
| 14:38.48 | A1win | circle frames for the energy icons :E http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a92/SC2%202013-11-22%2016-37-39-19.jpg |
| 14:38.49 | Stewox | i never saw you |
| 14:38.55 | Ahli | blizzard doesn't scan other forums for bugs |
| 14:39.00 | Ahli | apart from reddit |
| 14:39.03 | Ahli | maybe |
| 14:39.03 | rts | because it took me like a year to narrow down what was causing it |
| 14:39.14 | Stewox | oh so it's a big bug .... |
| 14:39.22 | rts | I have had them email me or contact me probably 4 times about bugs I posted on sc2mapster or reddit |
| 14:39.33 | Stewox | which means reporting it right now won't make a difference |
| 14:39.34 | Ahli | go ahead and make a nice bug thread in their NA forums |
| 14:39.42 | Stewox | i can't post on NA |
| 14:39.48 | Ahli | why not? |
| 14:39.53 | Stewox | EU has no bug forums |
| 14:40.01 | Ahli | I'm EU, too |
| 14:40.05 | Stewox | well don't they have restriction on US bnet too ? |
| 14:40.05 | Ahli | I can post everywhere |
| 14:40.10 | A1win | should be able to post on NA now that they added the region switching |
| 14:40.12 | Stewox | ok this is new then |
| 14:40.15 | Ahli | they removed that more than a year ago |
| 14:40.28 | rts | stewox |
| 14:40.28 | Ahli | or approx a year ago |
| 14:40.34 | rts | I think if you completely delete your game variants |
| 14:40.36 | rts | save the map |
| 14:40.43 | rts | err |
| 14:40.47 | rts | delete the game variants |
| 14:40.54 | rts | remove all computers from player properties |
| 14:40.57 | rts | then save the map |
| 14:41.01 | Ahli | oh, it wasn't one complete year, A1win is right |
| 14:41.01 | Stewox | i'll try it one more time before i do this |
| 14:41.03 | rts | it will correct itself |
| 14:41.14 | Stewox | i only have PC since April :p |
| 14:41.32 | rts | just remember to never modify a game variant while computers are in player properties and you will probably be fine |
| 14:41.36 | Stewox | i had 1 year break before than |
| 14:41.38 | Stewox | that |
| 14:42.12 | Stewox | ok ahli let's try |
| 14:43.12 | Ahli | if you can go spec in the lobby, it should work |
| 14:43.41 | Stewox | i don't know how it looks like when you go spec |
| 14:43.44 | Stewox | i never used this |
| 14:44.00 | Stewox | you're not online ? |
| 14:44.18 | Ahli | I'm not on bnet right now, correct |
| 14:45.03 | Stewox | well what are you waiting for ? |
| 14:46.22 | rts | haha |
| 14:46.27 | Stewox | rts |
| 14:46.39 | Stewox | can you come to EU ? |
| 14:46.49 | rts | okay |
| 14:47.07 | Stewox | SC2Mapster is the channel |
| 14:47.29 | Ahli | group |
| 14:48.01 | Ahli | but combining channels and groups might have been too difficult... well, would have blocked a few map names maybe |
| 14:48.20 | Ahli | add channel setting for a map, problem solved... |
| 14:48.40 | rts | nobody else in the channel? |
| 14:48.46 | Ahli | he means group |
| 14:49.12 | Stewox | addd me |
| 14:49.17 | Stewox | 963 |
| 14:50.39 | rts | I love when I have a problem |
| 14:50.41 | rts | and I google it |
| 14:50.57 | rts | and the first thing is me asking about the problem on sc2mapster like two years ago |
| 14:51.06 | Stewox | im ready |
| 14:51.47 | Stewox | hello |
| 14:51.49 | Stewox | go in the gam |
| 14:52.02 | Stewox | ffs |
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| 14:52.21 | Stewox | what now ? |
| 14:52.42 | Ahli | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436264 darude on dreamhack... twitch chats will go nuts |
| 14:53.22 | Ahli | the first thing I thought when I watched your gameheart video was wow!, then I asked myself if they had used the upgrade in text tag stuff I posted on mapster ^^ |
| 14:54.31 | Stewox | hello |
| 14:54.32 | Stewox | rts ? |
| 14:54.36 | Stewox | What the fuck is going on |
| 14:55.04 | Stewox | i'm just going to leave this shit if i can't get it working in under 1 minute |
| 14:55.29 | Stewox | G0A |
| 14:55.32 | Stewox | are you here ? |
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| 14:58.03 | rtschutter | this is bullshit |
| 14:58.15 | Stewox | are you done with your netz |
| 14:58.27 | rtschutter | I dont know |
| 14:58.27 | Stewox | let's go now, i'm getting dizzy |
| 14:58.28 | rtschutter | just invite me |
| 14:58.31 | rtschutter | lets do this quick |
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| 15:05.54 | Stewox | you said to remove ALL variants whatsoever ? |
| 15:05.58 | Stewox | not even default |
| 15:06.03 | Stewox | and computer |
| 15:06.05 | Stewox | ofcourse |
| 15:08.03 | rtschutter | all custom variants |
| 15:08.16 | rtschutter | so that game variants goes back to the default state it was in |
| 15:08.21 | rtschutter | before you touched them |
| 15:08.32 | rtschutter | and then remove all computers from player properties |
| 15:08.41 | rtschutter | save the file |
| 15:08.59 | rtschutter | and NOW you can go back in and change your variants again |
| 15:09.18 | rtschutter | but never do it while you have a computer player set in player properties |
| 15:09.30 | rtschutter | ? |
| 15:26.53 | Stewox | oh sorry i didn't saw chat |
| 15:26.59 | Stewox | yeah i did that exactly |
| 15:34.22 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a92/SC2%202013-11-22%2017-33-42-98.jpg |
| 15:34.48 | A1win | not as nice as I wanted those small blue dots but can't figure out how to fix them D: |
| 15:42.07 | Ahli | tell me things that suck in my map, so I can try to improve |
| 15:42.59 | Zolden | A1win what nlue fire in the circles mean? |
| 15:47.31 | A1win | it's your energy |
| 15:47.50 | A1win | abilities cost energy (cost shown in small blue dots) |
| 15:48.01 | A1win | 1 energy regenerates in 5 sec |
| 15:48.25 | Dustin | A1win, test later? |
| 15:48.55 | A1win | yeah |
| 15:53.08 | Dustin | sweet |
| 15:53.14 | Dustin | i wanna shoot some laserz |
| 15:57.24 | G0A | Stewox I am here |
| 16:25.20 | G0A | holly molly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1WMEwd8Al0#t=23 |
| 16:30.02 | Ahli | well, at least the guy thinks rational after that... get out of the house, check if the persons living next to you are ok or require help |
| 16:34.48 | G0A | yeah |
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| 16:43.27 | Ahli | btw, is combined OP in zolden's map? |
| 16:44.06 | G0A | yes |
| 16:47.16 | A1win | Dustin, Zolden: you ready for a test? |
| 16:47.22 | Dustin | sure |
| 16:47.34 | A1win | others welcome too |
| 16:48.17 | G0A | coming |
| 16:48.21 | Ahli | zolden, what will I do when I've no mana source? :X can't drill anything anymore I guess |
| 16:48.26 | G0A | EU map night in 10 min anyway.) |
| 16:48.41 | Ahli | I guess it was stupid to spend the mana I had in the beginning :D |
| 16:48.45 | G0A | Ahli ask teammates to help to drill:D |
| 16:48.50 | A1win | need to stress test the laser weapon so would be nice to have full game |
| 16:49.59 | Ahli | I'm doing :D |
| 16:56.03 | Ahli | uncovered mana resource found at the side ;D |
| 16:56.11 | A1win | need one more player |
| 16:57.11 | Ahli | Zolden, I've a resource spawned in a way that doesn't allow a mine to its right side |
| 16:57.29 | Ahli | happened in the bottom left side of the map |
| 16:58.51 | A1win | Ahli, join us? o: |
| 16:59.47 | A1win | nvm, full now |
| 16:59.57 | Zolden | Ahli combined is a bit op, and i'll nerf them slightly now for test |
| 17:00.21 | Zolden | Ahli without mana you have to expand in search of mana, and ask allies to kill rocks |
| 17:00.30 | Zolden | A1win i'd test, haven't you started yet? |
| 17:00.38 | A1win | we did, got a full game already |
| 17:00.43 | Zolden | Ahli yes, i know this little bug, and will fix it now |
| 17:01.39 | A1win | Dustin, you afk? |
| 17:03.24 | Zolden | A1win can I come still? |
| 17:09.23 | Ahli | conjurer would have killed both teams now :X |
| 17:10.10 | Ahli | the map is exciting because I see no clear way to win |
| 17:10.15 | Zolden | i increased cooldown of scorpion spawn a bit |
| 17:10.46 | Ahli | pls god, give me gold mine and food at start and then mana |
| 17:11.00 | Zolden | i think win should be possible through building researched units, and I've reduced research costs |
| 17:11.01 | Ahli | also, metal |
| 17:11.42 | Zolden | now I give 1 guaranteed resource per player, but will give 2, but no gold for everyone, it's still imba |
| 17:11.49 | Zolden | lol, you want alot :) |
| 17:38.27 | Ahli | got a new strat |
| 17:38.41 | Ahli | just win without a gold mine :D |
| 17:45.00 | Ahli | mapnight, whoch channel G0A? |
| 17:46.41 | Ahli | zolden, why the f*ck do I have u twice? |
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| 17:49.40 | A1win | he has two accounts |
| 17:50.11 | G0A | starcraft://group/2/130284 |
| 17:50.15 | G0A | maaaap night |
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| 18:19.46 | A1win | mmh not sure what text style to use for the cause of death message though... |
| 18:21.01 | Ahli | game, load faster |
| 18:22.22 | A1win | I suppose I could just make the cause of death use a darker color |
| 18:23.36 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a92/SC2%202013-11-22%2020-23-09-24.jpg |
| 18:24.33 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a92/SC2%202013-11-22%2020-24-06-04.jpg |
| 18:24.35 | A1win | dunno, bit weird |
| 18:28.23 | A1win | made it even darker, seems better |
| 18:28.55 | A1win | just using the actual player color without adjusting |
| 18:29.25 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a92/SC2%202013-11-22%2020-28-57-86.jpg |
| 18:32.28 | A1win | laser fade looks bad with long segments |
| 18:33.11 | A1win | the bend isn't useful at all, just a "cool" thing, might just make it a straight laser |
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| 18:47.36 | A1win | how's Space Spaace Spaaace! for a name for this :x |
| 18:48.20 | A1win | will use it as placeholder at least ;p |
| 18:48.22 | A1win | see how it feels |
| 18:48.56 | A1win | ready to test btw |
| 18:51.11 | duckies | just name it "spaceships", set game type to Arena and be done with it =D |
| 18:52.17 | A1win | ;> |
| 18:52.41 | duckies | or be like some other guys and go with "A1 Spaceship Battle" |
| 18:52.55 | duckies | *A1win Spaceship Battle |
| 18:53.32 | duckies | there are a few maps out ther that are named "XXX's Something Something" |
| 18:53.37 | duckies | so it would be ok |
| 18:53.44 | A1win | ;p |
| 18:56.44 | Dustin | What about Lightspeed, or Gravity Wars, or Black Hole Massacre, or "No-one hears you die in space" |
| 18:57.04 | A1win | gravity wars is kind of ok but... dunno |
| 18:57.19 | Dustin | Just tossing things out there :P |
| 18:57.26 | A1win | mm |
| 18:57.33 | A1win | been doing that for days :P |
| 19:04.51 | duckies | nobody will appreciate your intelligent name pick a1win ;/ |
| 19:05.02 | A1win | :P |
| 19:05.33 | A1win | haven't found one yet |
| 19:27.04 | Zolden | Ahli i have 2 accounts on eu, because blizz made it so russians had his own region, but then it was split with eu, and now we have 2 accs |
| 19:28.33 | Zolden | for mapmakers it's good: doubles map space |
| 19:29.41 | Zolden | *was merged with eu |
| 19:30.13 | A1win | Zolden, up for test? |
| 19:30.22 | Zolden | oh, i just started eating |
| 19:31.28 | Ahli | ah yeah |
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| 19:46.53 | Bounty | Pew |
| 19:50.34 | Ahli | EU mapnight |
| 19:50.52 | Ahli | starcraft://group/2/130284 |
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| 20:01.46 | DeadZergling | Hi Zolden, you there? |
| 20:05.05 | Bounty | Xbox One - Day One Disc Drive broken |
| 20:05.09 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOPcMT5DHWY#t=0 |
| 20:05.10 | Bounty | lolol |
| 20:05.57 | DeadZergling | you played Zolden's map yet Bounty? Is actually pretty amusing |
| 20:06.13 | Bounty | Have not played any maps in a loong time |
| 20:06.15 | Bounty | What is it? |
| 20:06.17 | DeadZergling | granted, it is more about figuring out his economy than skill, lol |
| 20:06.44 | DeadZergling | well, is a defense, not a tower defense for sure |
| 20:06.53 | Bounty | any videos? |
| 20:07.36 | DeadZergling | dunno, think it might be public on NA though |
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| 20:07.49 | DeadZergling | but for some reason, he felt the need to have 9 different resources in it |
| 20:07.58 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:08.01 | Bounty | what is it called |
| 20:08.16 | DeadZergling | Mines N Magic or Mines And Magic or something |
| 20:09.17 | Bounty | Nope, no videos |
| 20:12.09 | DeadZergling | but is a fairly unique defense in that placement doesn't actually matter |
| 20:12.35 | Bibendus | *soon* |
| 20:12.38 | Bounty | Not a fan of tower defense games personally |
| 20:12.50 | Bounty | With the exception of Dungeon Defenders, I enjoyed that a lot |
| 20:13.08 | Bibendus | meh |
| 20:13.12 | Bibendus | 2 much repetitive for me |
| 20:13.21 | Bibendus | with few combat options |
| 20:13.53 | DeadZergling | real combat is at your mining area |
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| 20:13.57 | DeadZergling | fighting with allies over mines |
| 20:15.54 | Bounty | Is the Arcade free yet? |
| 20:16.06 | DeadZergling | yea was repetitive for sure, really bad for me, I won my first 6 games, still undefeated, lol |
| 20:17.05 | DeadZergling | wouldn't have minded opponents who lived longer though, wanted to see the end |
| 20:18.21 | Bounty | Anyone else think that if the Arcade going FTP could potentially make us all rich if Blizz lets us monetize someday? |
| 20:18.32 | Bounty | If its successful |
| 20:18.42 | Bibendus | yep |
| 20:18.49 | Bibendus | still need to see if the free thing will work |
| 20:18.51 | DeadZergling | if you consider enough for a trip to mcdonald's every so often rich |
| 20:18.55 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 20:18.55 | DeadZergling | then yes, it could make us that |
| 20:18.58 | Bounty | If its a success |
| 20:19.03 | Bibendus | bounty did u get featured yet? |
| 20:19.04 | Bounty | We have SUCH a leg up |
| 20:19.08 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 20:19.14 | Bounty | They wanted to feature 3 more |
| 20:19.15 | Bibendus | with? |
| 20:19.16 | Bounty | err |
| 20:19.18 | Bounty | 2 more |
| 20:19.20 | Bounty | but I bailed |
| 20:19.21 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:19.31 | Bounty | Ling Ling Rocket, then they wanted to feature Gnolls VS Trolls and Photon Synergy |
| 20:19.56 | Bounty | They finally figured out I'm that guy who made all of their favorite games :) |
| 20:19.58 | Bibendus | anyone that has a cool map to show me |
| 20:20.04 | Bibendus | that wasnt featured yet? |
| 20:20.05 | Bounty | Took them a bout 2 years haha |
| 20:20.23 | Bibendus | u make 1 map a month |
| 20:20.26 | Bibendus | u have more chances xD |
| 20:20.34 | Bounty | chances? lol |
| 20:20.39 | Kueken | Bibendus: I have a lot of cool testmaps :D |
| 20:20.46 | Bounty | This isnt like the old days brah, |
| 20:20.54 | Bounty | I have a much higher success rate |
| 20:20.58 | Bounty | Than I did back in the day |
| 20:21.01 | Bibendus | no I mean a nice map that was unnoticed |
| 20:21.04 | Bibendus | that could be named |
| 20:21.09 | Kueken | :D |
| 20:21.28 | Bounty | Heard of Haunted Forest Bibendus? |
| 20:21.40 | Kueken | just looked, more than 250 maps in my testmap folder currently |
| 20:21.42 | Bibendus | bounty is it the slenderman remake? |
| 20:21.50 | Bounty | I uploaded some footage of the map that was going to be the successor to it |
| 20:21.52 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhMVk4T7jxM |
| 20:21.58 | Bounty | I would not really call it a remake |
| 20:22.05 | Bounty | I definitely borrowed the concept though |
| 20:22.20 | Bibendus | mmm is it just escaping? |
| 20:22.29 | Bibendus | because I like the atmosphere in these games |
| 20:22.33 | Bibendus | but they lack gameplay |
| 20:22.43 | Bounty | Thats what I was going to improve upon in that game I linked |
| 20:22.48 | Bounty | It was only like 10% done though |
| 20:22.54 | Bibendus | and what does it add more? |
| 20:22.59 | Bounty | But it was going to be objective based, BEYOND gathering the objects |
| 20:23.11 | Bounty | and the terrain tells a story :) |
| 20:23.24 | Bibendus | u know |
| 20:23.25 | Bounty | Which you can see in the video but I stopped working on it once I went to Japan |
| 20:23.28 | Bibendus | a random terrain would really help |
| 20:23.31 | Bibendus | in maps like this |
| 20:23.50 | Bounty | Nah, you don't need it |
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| 20:24.03 | Bibendus | it helps with replayability |
| 20:24.04 | Bounty | Just make it hard as fuck to win |
| 20:24.11 | Bibendus | else after a while if u know already the place where to go |
| 20:24.15 | Bounty | ppl were playing HF for a loooong time |
| 20:24.17 | Bibendus | its no more fun |
| 20:24.19 | Bounty | Way longer than I expected |
| 20:24.32 | Bounty | the spawn of objects you have to find is random |
| 20:24.32 | Bibendus | btw what gameplay mechanics did u add |
| 20:24.43 | Bounty | Watch the video :) |
| 20:24.49 | Bibendus | i m watchin |
| 20:24.53 | Bibendus | still seeing moving and moving and moving |
| 20:24.55 | Bibendus | and nothing else :D |
| 20:25.32 | Bounty | like I said, 10% done, but what was new is how the creature behaves and its not only him |
| 20:25.35 | Bounty | + the objective system |
| 20:25.45 | Bibendus | ye but |
| 20:25.46 | Bounty | After you collect all the barrels it moves on |
| 20:25.51 | Bibendus | these are not new gameplay mechanics |
| 20:25.55 | Bounty | To a NON collection based objective |
| 20:26.02 | Bibendus | they are cool additions |
| 20:26.06 | Bibendus | but not mechanics |
| 20:26.23 | Bounty | lol, yes they are new |
| 20:26.31 | Bibendus | adding stealth system may be an additional mechanic |
| 20:26.32 | Bounty | THe only thing that is similar is the premise of being stalked |
| 20:26.41 | Bibendus | what i mean is that |
| 20:26.53 | Bibendus | u can just move, take objects and use objects |
| 20:27.11 | Bibendus | it becomes old quickly for me |
| 20:27.20 | Bounty | Its not for everyone |
| 20:27.32 | Bibendus | i like the concept but it lacks gameplay |
| 20:27.35 | Bounty | Its not the type of game that is meant to be played forever |
| 20:27.36 | Bibendus | the same issue I had with amnesia |
| 20:27.40 | Bibendus | and amnesia had more gameplay |
| 20:27.53 | Bibendus | stealth system, light system, madness thingy |
| 20:27.56 | Bibendus | still was lacking something |
| 20:27.57 | Bounty | It lacks gameplay to you because you don't enjoy the concept |
| 20:28.01 | Bounty | Does not mean it lacks anything |
| 20:28.06 | Bounty | Same reason I think TD's lack gameplay |
| 20:28.10 | Bibendus | it becomes old quickly |
| 20:28.13 | Bounty | Bc I just don't like them |
| 20:28.18 | Bibendus | tds have a lot of strategy |
| 20:28.26 | Bibendus | mechanics are something really specific bounty |
| 20:28.39 | Bibendus | it means having options |
| 20:28.45 | Bounty | I know what mechanics are :) |
| 20:28.52 | Bounty | eh |
| 20:28.54 | Bibendus | and a stealth game usually lacks them |
| 20:28.58 | Bibendus | because it has no combat |
| 20:29.19 | Bibendus | and still I did not see something that add mechanics to counter the lack of combat |
| 20:29.49 | Bounty | and that is based on your opinion though, can't please everyone but you can't say something has a lack of gameplay lol |
| 20:29.58 | Bibendus | no not opinion |
| 20:30.00 | Bounty | It has a mechanic and gameplay that some people enjoy |
| 20:30.02 | Bounty | ok w/e |
| 20:30.03 | Bibendus | there is a lack of mechanics |
| 20:30.07 | Bounty | I'm not getting into this lol |
| 20:30.09 | Bounty | Trying to be nice here! |
| 20:30.13 | Bibendus | then it's personal to think 1 mechanic is enough |
| 20:30.22 | Bibendus | or it's not |
| 20:30.50 | Bibendus | ex: slenderman is dumb, amnesia is not |
| 20:30.55 | Bibendus | amnesia is more deep |
| 20:31.11 | Bibendus | due to a lot of reaons |
| 20:31.14 | Bounty | TD's are dumb, IN MY OPINION |
| 20:31.17 | Bounty | but lots of people enjoy them |
| 20:31.19 | Bibendus | mainly story and more mechanics |
| 20:31.27 | Bibendus | tds are a strategy game |
| 20:31.37 | Bibendus | you have a lot of options and choices |
| 20:31.40 | Bibendus | here u just run away |
| 20:31.47 | Bibendus | from the evil slenderman |
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| 20:31.54 | Bounty | Yeah, you place a building and sit back and let the buildings do the work for you |
| 20:31.54 | Bibendus | then once u understand the logic that u should not turn back |
| 20:32.00 | Bibendus | or u know where to obtain the piece of paper |
| 20:32.03 | Bibendus | pieces |
| 20:32.06 | Bounty | I consider that a lack of gameplay |
| 20:32.08 | Bibendus | then it becomes stupid |
| 20:32.12 | Bounty | Jsut sitting back and letting towers kill stuff |
| 20:32.21 | Bibendus | actually u have to choose what building to make |
| 20:32.23 | Bibendus | what paths |
| 20:32.24 | Bounty | Heres the difference |
| 20:32.25 | Bibendus | what upgrades |
| 20:32.30 | Bibendus | the position |
| 20:32.33 | Bibendus | is not the same |
| 20:32.38 | Bounty | I openly admit that it is my opinion, I don't try to say its fact |
| 20:32.41 | Bibendus | the fact it auto attacks means nothing |
| 20:32.46 | Bibendus | it's like chess |
| 20:33.00 | Bibendus | u can't say it lacks of gameplay |
| 20:33.06 | Bibendus | u can say the gameplay is dumb for u |
| 20:33.11 | Bibendus | I don't like them too much either |
| 20:33.16 | Bibendus | but you can't say they have no gameplay |
| 20:33.17 | Bounty | Yes I can, because I don't find it fun at all, so it lacks gameplay to me |
| 20:33.19 | Bibendus | they have a lot |
| 20:33.21 | Bounty | I just did |
| 20:33.23 | Bibendus | some are really complex too |
| 20:33.27 | Bounty | Its called personal taste |
| 20:33.36 | Bibendus | ye not "it has no mechanics" |
| 20:33.37 | Bounty | I swear, how the hell do I end up in these arguments? |
| 20:33.40 | Bibendus | these are different things |
| 20:33.47 | Bounty | All games have mechanics |
| 20:33.48 | DeadZergling | by being Bounty |
| 20:33.55 | Bounty | I didn't even do anything |
| 20:34.00 | Bounty | Its like I'm the light |
| 20:34.06 | Bibendus | a game with 1 mechanic is lss deep then a game with 10 |
| 20:34.12 | Bounty | and I just attract these moths full of hate |
| 20:34.14 | DeadZergling | no, you sir are the moth |
| 20:34.16 | Bibendus | the one with 1 mechanic could be more fun, sure |
| 20:34.20 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:34.26 | Bibendus | still i'm talking about game depth |
| 20:34.27 | Bibendus | not fun |
| 20:34.28 | DeadZergling | you fly straight into these |
| 20:34.39 | Bounty | Scroll up, I did not start this |
| 20:34.40 | Bibendus | bounty why hate? |
| 20:34.45 | Bibendus | i was trying to give u suggestions |
| 20:34.50 | Bibendus | on how to improve your map |
| 20:34.56 | Bibendus | u know I always give u suggestions |
| 20:35.08 | Bounty | No, you were pretty much stating what you are saying is the only way to do something |
| 20:35.17 | Bounty | and I kept saying people have different tastes |
| 20:35.21 | Bibendus | nope |
| 20:35.23 | Bounty | and somehow we got here |
| 20:35.24 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:35.42 | DeadZergling | feeling that sizzle yet Bounty? |
| 20:35.42 | Bibendus | 21:36:29] <Bibendus> because I like the atmosphere in these games |
| 20:35.43 | Bibendus | [21:36:33] <Bibendus> but they lack gameplay |
| 20:35.53 | Bibendus | just that |
| 20:36.00 | Bounty | yeah, that is your opinion though, which is what I said |
| 20:36.11 | Bibendus | no the lack of gameplay is a fact not an opinion |
| 20:36.14 | Bounty | they don't actually lack gameplay overall but based on your preferences they do |
| 20:36.16 | Bibendus | you can just run |
| 20:36.19 | Bibendus | that's a FACT |
| 20:36.21 | Bounty | same reason why I said TD's lack gameplay to ME |
| 20:36.25 | Bounty | doesnt mean they're horrible games |
| 20:36.28 | Bounty | just to me they are |
| 20:36.31 | Bibendus | did I say that? |
| 20:36.44 | Bibendus | did I say your map is horrible because you can only run? |
| 20:36.51 | Bibendus | I said these games lack of gameplay |
| 20:36.58 | Bibendus | nothing more |
| 20:37.05 | Bibendus | you should stay less defensive bounty |
| 20:37.12 | Bounty | [15:35] <Bounty> yeah, that is your opinion though, which is what I said [15:35] <Bibendus> no the lack of gameplay is a fact not an opinion |
| 20:37.17 | Bibendus | or you'll really attract hate |
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| 20:37.30 | Bibendus | lack of gameplay |
| 20:37.32 | Bibendus | not lack of fun |
| 20:37.33 | Bounty | I'm not even being defensive... like wtf lol |
| 20:37.48 | Bounty | I never siad you were wrong for not liking something |
| 20:37.52 | Bounty | Just that its your preference |
| 20:37.54 | Bibendus | you take it as personal |
| 20:37.57 | Bibendus | as I hate your map |
| 20:38.02 | Bounty | no |
| 20:38.02 | Bibendus | bounty |
| 20:38.07 | Bibendus | in wich universe the lack of gameplay |
| 20:38.11 | Bibendus | is an opinion? |
| 20:38.21 | DeadZergling | Sorry Bounty, it was definitely you who brought up hate :P |
| 20:38.30 | Bounty | Do I have to keep saying the same thing? |
| 20:38.35 | Bibendus | DZ canu explain him plz? |
| 20:38.42 | Bounty | To me, TD's are extremely boring and lack gameplay |
| 20:38.53 | Bibendus | do you know what gameplay is? |
| 20:39.03 | Bounty | No Bibendus, I don't know what gameplay is |
| 20:39.06 | Bibendus | :| |
| 20:39.11 | DeadZergling | maybe, you are saying gameplay, mechanics is having different options on how to play, correct Bibendus ? |
| 20:39.23 | Bibendus | yep |
| 20:39.29 | Bibendus | if u have just one straight option |
| 20:39.32 | Bibendus | you lack that |
| 20:39.46 | Bibendus | can you dodge the monster? |
| 20:39.48 | Bibendus | stun him? |
| 20:39.52 | Bibendus | throw something to distract? |
| 20:39.53 | Bounty | That is a mechanic but its not the definition of having a mechanic |
| 20:39.53 | Bibendus | hide? |
| 20:39.56 | Bibendus | these are mechanics |
| 20:40.06 | Bibendus | if you can just run you have only 1 option |
| 20:40.15 | Bibendus | then you lack mechanics |
| 20:40.16 | Bounty | Which is why we have linear games and open world games |
| 20:40.18 | Bounty | etc |
| 20:40.24 | Bibendus | no wait |
| 20:40.30 | Bibendus | you are talking about story here |
| 20:40.34 | Bibendus | that's a different matter |
| 20:40.45 | Bibendus | even a platform is a linear game, doesnt mean it has no mechanics xD |
| 20:41.02 | Bounty | For the record, I'm not even finishing that game. I only uploaded it to show people what I was working on before I stopped lol |
| 20:41.04 | Bibendus | limiting a world doesnt mean limiting the mechanics and gameplay |
| 20:41.15 | Bibendus | what I'm trying to tell you is |
| 20:41.20 | Bibendus | if you can find more options |
| 20:41.30 | Bibendus | the game would become more appealing for a larger group of people |
| 20:41.48 | Bounty | I know |
| 20:42.29 | Bounty | We all have our own methods brah |
| 20:42.39 | Bibendus | now I need some maps to suggest |
| 20:42.39 | Bibendus | :D |
| 20:42.52 | Bounty | for map night? |
| 20:43.05 | Bibendus | for featuring |
| 20:43.08 | Bibendus | interview |
| 20:43.16 | Bounty | interview? |
| 20:43.30 | Bibendus | y |
| 20:43.36 | Bibendus | for the highlight |
| 20:43.45 | Bounty | You're being featured by Blizz? |
| 20:43.50 | Bibendus | y |
| 20:43.56 | Bounty | what game? |
| 20:44.18 | Bibendus | hive keeper obvs |
| 20:44.29 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:44.29 | Bibendus | I'm working on it only since 3 years |
| 20:44.33 | Bounty | I know |
| 20:44.36 | DeadZergling | that weird square game? |
| 20:44.42 | Bibendus | square game? |
| 20:44.58 | DeadZergling | maybe I'm mixing it up with something else, lol |
| 20:45.05 | Bounty | Its the Dungeon Keeper game |
| 20:45.09 | Bounty | But yeah |
| 20:45.15 | Bounty | It could be described as the square game |
| 20:45.20 | Bounty | >.< |
| 20:46.11 | Bibendus | oh wait |
| 20:46.15 | Bibendus | what was the super cool platformer |
| 20:46.19 | Bibendus | with the editor |
| 20:46.22 | Bounty | Jet Craft |
| 20:46.27 | Bounty | or something like that |
| 20:46.32 | Bibendus | yep |
| 20:46.41 | Bibendus | dd it get featured? |
| 20:46.41 | Bounty | I take it that game bombed? |
| 20:46.42 | Bibendus | nope |
| 20:46.49 | Bibendus | game bombed? |
| 20:46.56 | Bounty | Yeah, as in it never got popular |
| 20:47.13 | Bibendus | i ll mention it then |
| 20:47.15 | Bibendus | it's really cool |
| 20:47.29 | Bounty | Blizzard knows about it |
| 20:47.34 | Bibendus | people don't |
| 20:47.34 | Bounty | It was in the Arcade Trailer at Blizzcon |
| 20:47.35 | Bibendus | :P |
| 20:47.53 | Bibendus | any other idea? |
| 20:48.38 | Bibendus | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XbiIxqG2kQ&feature=em-uploademail |
| 20:48.41 | Bounty | I think if I ever return to making games the Arcade I should start off with a Photon Discs sequel |
| 20:48.41 | Bibendus | but it has no name yet |
| 20:48.43 | Bibendus | A1win |
| 20:48.49 | DeadZergling | I'm confused, you are asking what of your own maps to feature? :P |
| 20:48.59 | Bibendus | i want to mention other cool maps |
| 20:49.07 | A1win | Bibendus, mmh? |
| 20:49.14 | Bibendus | did u name your map yet? |
| 20:49.19 | A1win | not really |
| 20:49.26 | Bibendus | so I can't mention it |
| 20:49.26 | Bibendus | aw |
| 20:49.27 | Bibendus | :D |
| 20:49.31 | A1win | :x |
| 20:49.36 | DeadZergling | mine has had a name, I'm still not happy with it though |
| 20:49.41 | Bibendus | i can't mention something with no name |
| 20:50.03 | Bounty | It has a name |
| 20:50.07 | Bounty | Space Deathmatch |
| 20:50.09 | Bibendus | xD |
| 20:50.14 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:50.14 | Bibendus | I think it's temporary xD |
| 20:50.25 | Bounty | I think its good enough, describes the game well |
| 20:50.54 | DeadZergling | Space Deathmatch, with bizarro suicide rules! |
| 20:50.55 | Bounty | Unless A1win wants to turn it into some sort of franchise |
| 20:51.09 | duckies | ahli come |
| 20:51.19 | Bibendus | so A1win what about the map name? |
| 20:51.32 | A1win | what about it? |
| 20:51.42 | Bibendus | are u changing it |
| 20:51.47 | Bibendus | or not? |
| 20:51.47 | A1win | Bounty just came up with that one |
| 20:52.06 | Bounty | what? |
| 20:52.08 | Bibendus | xD |
| 20:52.10 | A1win | :P |
| 20:52.17 | Bibendus | is it the final name then? |
| 20:52.21 | Bibendus | Space Deathmatch |
| 20:52.22 | A1win | it might not even be just deathmatch later on, can't call it deathmatch ;p |
| 20:52.27 | Bibendus | lol |
| 20:52.40 | Bounty | Spacematch |
| 20:52.52 | Bibendus | niiiiice |
| 20:52.54 | Bibendus | :D |
| 20:52.58 | A1win | <.< |
| 20:53.06 | Bibendus | i like it :D |
| 20:53.09 | Bounty | *bows* |
| 20:53.13 | Bounty | I got a million of em |
| 20:53.21 | Bounty | forgetaboutit |
| 20:53.23 | DeadZergling | I liked My Space |
| 20:53.25 | Bounty | >.< |
| 20:53.27 | Bibendus | xD |
| 20:53.28 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:53.33 | Bibendus | then it would be abandoned forever |
| 20:53.46 | Bounty | Match.space |
| 20:53.46 | DeadZergling | after selling it for millions |
| 20:54.17 | Bibendus | damn I need a third map |
| 20:54.18 | Bibendus | to mention xD |
| 20:54.24 | Bounty | I just hope A1win really makes the gravity effect play a huge role in the game |
| 20:54.29 | Bounty | otherwise its just a basic 2D shooter |
| 20:54.36 | DeadZergling | welcome to mention mine, it isn't that public yet though ;P |
| 20:54.39 | Bibendus | it seems pretty relevant |
| 20:54.45 | Bibendus | wich one dead |
| 20:54.54 | A1win | Bounty, can't make it too strong, really difficult to control stuff in bnet lag otherwise |
| 20:54.57 | DeadZergling | oh, Horologium RPG, the one I always work on |
| 20:55.04 | A1win | but it does bend slow moving projectiles a lot |
| 20:55.12 | DeadZergling | well besides that cloud spokes arena nonsense |
| 20:55.15 | Bounty | Just make the field bigger |
| 20:55.19 | A1win | needs real skill to shoot with some weapons |
| 20:55.24 | Bibendus | but its an rpg |
| 20:55.24 | Bibendus | :D |
| 20:55.43 | Bibendus | i need something with innovative mechanics |
| 20:55.47 | *** part/#sc2mapster G0A (~hookah604@91.83.0.145.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 20:55.54 | Bounty | Photon Synergy |
| 20:55.55 | Bounty | ;) |
| 20:56.13 | A1win | I accidentally a bloated UI http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a92/SC2%202013-11-22%2022-54-15-79.jpg |
| 20:56.19 | Bibendus | u made another phothon thingy bounty? |
| 20:56.26 | Bounty | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ranO-cPvGi4 |
| 20:56.26 | *** join/#sc2mapster G0A (~hookah604@91.83.0.145.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 20:56.28 | Bounty | awhile ago yeah |
| 20:56.32 | Bibendus | xD |
| 20:56.46 | Bibendus | 2 fancy for me :D |
| 20:58.43 | DeadZergling | suppose it depends on one's definition of innovative. Although difficult for me to see remaking a game or agreeing gravity exists as that, lol |
| 20:59.25 | Bounty | I considered Photon Synergy my most innovative game personally |
| 20:59.41 | Bounty | Perhaps a little too innovative for its own good lol |
| 20:59.46 | Zolden | DeadZergling hey |
| 20:59.52 | Zolden | sry, was deep into mapping |
| 21:00.06 | DeadZergling | hey Z, had more comments about your map |
| 21:00.38 | Zolden | A1win planets changed positions? |
| 21:00.42 | Zolden | DeadZergling cool, tell me |
| 21:00.44 | Bibendus | zolden |
| 21:00.45 | DeadZergling | First of all, it would be helpful if the first construction yard was +1 energy per turn or something |
| 21:00.48 | Zolden | Bibendus yea? |
| 21:00.48 | A1win | Zolden, it's random every round |
| 21:00.50 | Bibendus | do u have any suggestion about a cool innovative map? |
| 21:00.52 | DeadZergling | it happened in 3 games out of 6 |
| 21:00.57 | Zolden | A1win nice |
| 21:01.01 | DeadZergling | or was it 4 |
| 21:01.12 | DeadZergling | that some people were screwed on resources due to no magic |
| 21:01.22 | Zolden | DeadZergling good idea, i'll think how to make it, and maybe will |
| 21:01.46 | Zolden | Bibendus yes, i have a map idea, i got it from a dream |
| 21:01.52 | Bibendus | no i mean |
| 21:02.00 | Bibendus | an existing cool map to mention |
| 21:02.03 | Bibendus | in an interview |
| 21:02.10 | Bounty | I get most of my map ideas from the being on the toilet |
| 21:02.13 | DeadZergling | or add bonus magic elsewhere, not sure, but in the fight for resources it is easy to miss out on magic |
| 21:02.15 | Bibendus | xD |
| 21:02.22 | DeadZergling | which brings me to my next comment |
| 21:02.22 | Bibendus | that's why they are so shitty bounty! |
| 21:02.36 | DeadZergling | the resource random spawns and what not, they are great for 2 v 2 |
| 21:02.40 | Zolden | Bibendus what interview? i don't get what map do you need |
| 21:02.41 | Bounty | Har Har, too bad Blizzard a bunch of people who enjoy them disagree! |
| 21:02.43 | Bounty | :) |
| 21:02.43 | DeadZergling | but there isn't enough to support 3 or more |
| 21:02.47 | Bibendus | :D |
| 21:02.51 | Bibendus | u know i love u |
| 21:02.52 | Bibendus | bounty |
| 21:02.57 | Bounty | I love you to sugar |
| 21:03.04 | Bibendus | let's make sweet sweet love |
| 21:03.18 | Bounty | annnd cut |
| 21:03.22 | Bibendus | I'm looking for some cool maps to mention |
| 21:03.22 | Bounty | >.< |
| 21:03.26 | Bibendus | xD |
| 21:03.37 | Bibendus | I see a lot but remember none :D |
| 21:03.40 | DeadZergling | unless you were hoping for harsher fights between allies then between enemies |
| 21:03.43 | Zolden | DeadZergling now each base has 2 guaranteed resources, and it decreases chances of being out of mana |
| 21:03.46 | Zolden | need to test it |
| 21:03.49 | DeadZergling | more resources with 3 or more would help, a lot |
| 21:03.58 | Bounty | I think the only person I ever actually disliked in here was Fockewulf |
| 21:04.03 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:04.08 | Zolden | GO GO FOCKE! |
| 21:04.24 | DeadZergling | anyways, the crack elves can be pretty strong first 10-15 rounds |
| 21:04.28 | Bounty | and mephs, from time to time |
| 21:04.33 | Bibendus | should I go with raynor party? |
| 21:04.33 | DeadZergling | but not really OP beyond that |
| 21:04.41 | *** join/#sc2mapster MoonEater916 (~Thunderbi@108-88-97-1.lightspeed.mtryca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:04.42 | DeadZergling | high hps+ armor = crack elves worthless |
| 21:04.48 | Bounty | Here ya go Bibendus |
| 21:04.51 | Bounty | official trailer for that game |
| 21:04.54 | Bounty | nice and short :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD5WxUN1bGo |
| 21:04.54 | Dustin | Bounty hate me |
| 21:05.10 | Bibendus | i already watched it |
| 21:05.16 | Bounty | the trailer or the gameplay video? |
| 21:05.16 | Bibendus | but it's too fancy and not my genre :P |
| 21:05.19 | Zolden | bounty is a kind of chocolate bar, how can it hate |
| 21:05.24 | Bibendus | I think this one |
| 21:05.28 | Bibendus | or at least it was really similar |
| 21:05.57 | Zolden | DeadZergling i've nerfed a bit those crack elves, now their masses can't be so super effective, just normal tier 1 unit |
| 21:05.58 | Bibendus | xD |
| 21:05.58 | DeadZergling | I'm not sure how, but I just couldn't stop winning your map last night Z, lol |
| 21:06.26 | Zolden | yea, you have a talent |
| 21:06.34 | DeadZergling | oh? I was leaking some games where I tried to work economy at all |
| 21:06.39 | Bibendus | a small penis can't be a talent! |
| 21:07.01 | DeadZergling | so much for not taking things personal, eh Bibendus ? |
| 21:08.14 | DeadZergling | by the way, the 20 % boost upgrades, are those supposed to be erased if you upgrade mine again? |
| 21:08.54 | Zolden | 20% are independednt |
| 21:09.00 | Zolden | all upgrades independent |
| 21:09.16 | DeadZergling | I see, because nothing in the tooltip suggested it wasn't permanent |
| 21:09.20 | Zolden | if you have 1 + 20% it's 1.2, if you up +1, it will be 2.4 |
| 21:09.27 | Ahli | that one resource is just for upgrading mines, right? |
| 21:09.29 | DeadZergling | yea, that is what I'm saying |
| 21:09.32 | Bounty | lol someone made a video for Photon Cycles and the title of the video is Photon Cyclones |
| 21:09.37 | DeadZergling | if I have 1, upgrade to 1.2 |
| 21:09.39 | DeadZergling | then upgrade to 2 |
| 21:09.46 | DeadZergling | it went to 2.0 |
| 21:09.52 | Bounty | nvm |
| 21:09.54 | Bounty | hes french |
| 21:09.57 | Bounty | Makes sense |
| 21:10.06 | Zolden | Ahli subdolak is for upgraing higher tiers too, also for upping main base guarding turret |
| 21:10.38 | Zolden | DeadZergling ok, i'll check this... but i think it all was checked and proved to work |
| 21:10.45 | Zolden | but i'll recheck your situation |
| 21:10.53 | Ahli | someone made a video about diablo 1 and named it diablo mortal shroud... |
| 21:11.03 | DeadZergling | possibly, i just recall doing the 20 %, then another upgrade |
| 21:11.07 | DeadZergling | was very dissapointed |
| 21:11.16 | Zolden | can't grammar nazis do something about it? |
| 21:11.41 | DeadZergling | it wasn't 1 to 2, specifically |
| 21:11.47 | DeadZergling | may have been 3 to 4 or 4 to 5 |
| 21:11.49 | Zolden | ok, patched the map, going test new balance |
| 21:11.56 | DeadZergling | have fun |
| 21:12.06 | Zolden | i'll lose again, it's very fun ;/ |
| 21:12.17 | DeadZergling | how do you keep losing at your own map? |
| 21:12.21 | Ahli | just make expand and defense it |
| 21:13.45 | DeadZergling | I'm just confused, because I kept winning, and I'm still not really sure what I'm doing.... |
| 21:14.07 | Ahli | the right thing |
| 21:14.23 | Ahli | do you spawn stuff to get more gold? |
| 21:14.29 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a92/SC2%202013-11-22%2023-14-01-30.jpg |
| 21:14.32 | DeadZergling | it did seem like having more allies was of detriment |
| 21:14.37 | DeadZergling | not help |
| 21:14.53 | DeadZergling | yea, I got absolutely NO gold mines my last game |
| 21:14.59 | DeadZergling | so I had to pump shit into my 3 farms |
| 21:15.06 | DeadZergling | send income |
| 21:15.44 | Ahli | yeah... you are doing it correctly then... I just noticed that way of play... don't grab every mine you can get. instead focus on a steady income increase :D |
| 21:15.59 | DeadZergling | naw, grab every mine you can |
| 21:16.04 | DeadZergling | can get +2 for 20 |
| 21:16.07 | DeadZergling | for each new one |
| 21:16.16 | DeadZergling | it is less efficient higher tier |
| 21:16.30 | Ahli | well, true... but first I upped crystals to be able to send stuff every round |
| 21:16.38 | Ahli | after that I had the most gold income :D |
| 21:16.50 | Ahli | then I scanned and found 2 gold mines above me :D |
| 21:16.59 | DeadZergling | ah, I used crystals for my defends, you mean the white ones right? |
| 21:18.03 | DeadZergling | last game was amusing, 2 allies to my left, one guy grabbed 3 gold mines, leaving the other guy with nothing |
| 21:18.43 | DeadZergling | I didn't like that there was a send limit of 3 |
| 21:19.00 | DeadZergling | in any game that lasted, it'd be a real problem late game |
| 21:19.18 | DeadZergling | not sure how far I got, recall seeing some ultralisks before the other team died |
| 21:19.46 | Bibendus | k 1 question missing |
| 21:19.48 | Bibendus | and I'm done |
| 21:20.02 | Bibendus | most challenging part in the development process |
| 21:21.47 | Ahli | learning the editor >_> |
| 21:22.48 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zandose (Zandose@24-246-78-228.cable.teksavvy.com) |
| 21:29.36 | Zandose | i believe their are certian models which can be used as cameras? |
| 21:29.38 | Bibendus | xD |
| 21:29.40 | Bibendus | data editor |
| 21:29.40 | Bibendus | eurgh |
| 21:30.20 | DeadZergling | Having the motivation to keep working on the project when you know it won't actually be worth anything? |
| 21:30.22 | Bibendus | ok interview done |
| 21:30.30 | Bibendus | lol dz |
| 21:30.32 | Bibendus | i still have hope |
| 21:30.34 | Bibendus | :P |
| 21:30.37 | Bibendus | I'l a believer |
| 21:30.50 | DeadZergling | in fact, when you mention it is an RPG |
| 21:31.02 | DeadZergling | it will be automatically be written off as non-innovative and lame :P |
| 21:31.21 | Bibendus | because i have no time to play them |
| 21:31.47 | Bibendus | and I lost interests in maps that use mechanics that I've already seen multiple times |
| 21:32.04 | Bibendus | well I actually play no arcade maps at all |
| 21:32.06 | Bibendus | not even mine xD |
| 21:32.06 | DeadZergling | you can't have interest in anything then.... |
| 21:32.20 | Bibendus | i like A1win map |
| 21:32.20 | DeadZergling | there is no new gameplay mechanics or methods to be seen |
| 21:32.20 | Bibendus | :P |
| 21:32.32 | DeadZergling | just new hybrids of what exists |
| 21:32.36 | Bibendus | exactly |
| 21:32.43 | Bibendus | recyclyng mechanics is fine |
| 21:33.21 | Zandose | make a rpg that is not a rpg |
| 21:33.29 | DeadZergling | mine is fairly simple, annoyingly hard AI, classes worth being |
| 21:33.50 | DeadZergling | pisses me off to no end, these 20 class RPGs, where they are all copies almost, with only 2 or 3 that are actually good |
| 21:33.57 | Bibendus | u know what lacks in rpgs made in sc engines? |
| 21:34.03 | Bibendus | usually dialogs are written |
| 21:34.12 | Bibendus | so u haz to read a lot of stuff |
| 21:34.17 | Bibendus | and well rpgs can't be replayed |
| 21:34.19 | Bibendus | :P |
| 21:34.23 | DeadZergling | reading, who wants to do that |
| 21:34.27 | Bibendus | ye |
| 21:34.32 | Bibendus | in these times |
| 21:34.38 | Bibendus | people does not have a lot of time |
| 21:34.44 | Bibendus | wants to experiment more stuff possible |
| 21:34.46 | DeadZergling | I plan to throw quests in there for those who like those kinds of things |
| 21:34.48 | Zandose | i hate classes which are pre-defined. i want o do anything |
| 21:34.53 | Bibendus | or play the same dumb shit thousand of times |
| 21:34.54 | Bibendus | :D |
| 21:34.55 | DeadZergling | but they won't be required |
| 21:35.31 | DeadZergling | is fun in concept, but all you end up with is builds |
| 21:35.41 | DeadZergling | which are best |
| 21:35.53 | DeadZergling | and you just have the same classes with the bonus of being more annoying to set up |
| 21:36.11 | Zandose | make character creation so crazy the unexpected happens |
| 21:36.42 | Bibendus | i should go workout |
| 21:36.47 | Bibendus | but i m lazy today |
| 21:36.48 | Bibendus | :| |
| 21:37.17 | DeadZergling | anyways, I know the wave of the future is going for the be all classes approach |
| 21:37.20 | DeadZergling | but I dislike it |
| 21:37.38 | DeadZergling | is much more interesting to have to work as a team to maximize potential |
| 21:37.45 | DeadZergling | instead of everyone being paladins with wizard nukes |
| 21:39.19 | Bounty | [16:37] <DeadZergling> is much more interesting to have to work as a team to maximize potential |
| 21:39.22 | Bounty | Commie! |
| 21:39.55 | Bounty | Anyone know of some good sites that offer royalty free music? |
| 21:40.01 | Bounty | besides incompetech |
| 21:41.57 | DeadZergling | eh, never said people have to work together |
| 21:42.07 | DeadZergling | just certain classes should specialize in certain things |
| 21:42.19 | Bounty | What game you guys talking about? |
| 21:42.44 | DeadZergling | well I have no idea what they might be talking about, but I'm talking about my project/my ideals |
| 21:43.14 | Bounty | ah |
| 21:44.13 | DeadZergling | I wouldn't be surprised if Zandose was a Skyrim fanboy though |
| 21:44.14 | Bibendus | fuck |
| 21:44.30 | Bibendus | why doesn't the damn sc2 review has copy paste |
| 21:44.37 | Bibendus | i want to translate china stuff xD |
| 21:47.14 | DeadZergling | as far as I'm concerned though, if two classes can effectively do the same job in about the same way, one of those classes will be not as good, and may as well just get deleted |
| 21:50.39 | Bibendus | LOL |
| 21:50.43 | Bibendus | http://translate.google.com/?hl=en&tab=TT#auto/en/%E7%AE%80%E7%9B%B4%E4%B8%8D%E8%83%BD%E5%86%8D%E8%B4%B9.%20%E4%B8%80%E8%BE%B9%E8%A6%86%E8%A6%86%E7%BF%A9%E8%AF%91%E4%B8%80%E8%BE%B9%E7%8E%A9%E4%BC%9A%E4%BA%86%0A%0A%0A%E8%BF%99%E4%B8%AA%E5%B0%B1%E8%B6%B3%E4%BC%A0%E8%AF%B4%E4%B8%AD%E7%9A%84%E5%9C%B0%E4%B8%8B%E5%9F%8E%E5%AE%88%E6%8A%A4%E8%80%85%E5%91%88%E5%B1%9E%E4%BA%91%E7%89%88~~~%E8%BF%99% |
| 21:50.44 | Bibendus | E6%A0%B7%E4%BD%A0%E5%84%A1%E5%84%A1%E3%80%95%E5%B0%B1%E7%90%86%E8%A7%A3%E4%BA%86%0A%0A%20%0A%0A%0A%E5%AF%BB%E8%86%8F%E5%B8%B8%E6%9C%89%E6%84%8F%E6%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E4%B8%80%E4%B8%AA%E5%9B%BE%EF%BC%8C%20%E4%B8%8D%E8%BF%87%E5%B0%B1%E8%B6%B3%E7%BC%BA%E4%B8%89%E5%8F%88%E5%8C%96%E5%95%8Av%20%E6%98%9F%E7%84%B6%E5%8B%89%E5%BC%BA%E8%83%BD%E6%87%82v%20%E6%9C%9F%E5%BE%85%E5%90%8E%E7%BC%A5L%E4%B9%89%E |
| 21:50.44 | Bibendus | 5%8F%8A%E6%96%B0%E5%86%85%E5%AE%B9! |
| 21:50.54 | Bibendus | long translate was long :D |
| 21:51.12 | Bibendus | these google translate xD |
| 21:52.29 | DeadZergling | the punctuation is pretty good, the grammar is a little sloppy though |
| 21:52.34 | DeadZergling | otherwise pretty good there Bibendus |
| 21:53.23 | Bibendus | good what |
| 21:53.27 | Bibendus | did u understand what they said? xD |
| 21:54.11 | Zandose | i played skyrim for 10 minutes then stopped |
| 21:56.14 | Zandose | "<DeadZergling> as far as I'm concerned though, if two classes can effectively do the same job in about the same way, one of those classes will be not as good, and may as well just get deleted" WOW Paladin > Warrior |
| 21:56.42 | Ahli | hearthstone paladin > all other classes |
| 21:56.52 | Zandose | lol |
| 21:58.28 | Bibendus | http://button.moddb.com/popularity/medium/mods/21691.png |
| 21:58.29 | Bibendus | wow |
| 22:04.39 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a92/SC2%202013-11-23%2000-04-08-91.jpg |
| 22:05.26 | Bounty | Whats the name of that model that spins over a units head when he is slowed |
| 22:05.50 | A1win | there was some model that had "stun" in its name |
| 22:05.56 | A1win | might be that one |
| 22:06.16 | DeadZergling | spectre grenades are a good start |
| 22:06.17 | Bounty | *facepalm* |
| 22:06.23 | Bounty | thanks A1win |
| 22:06.24 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:06.33 | DeadZergling | be able to track the model down easily fromt here |
| 22:07.36 | A1win | now I just need a weapon equipping system... |
| 22:07.50 | A1win | should be pretty easy |
| 22:08.03 | A1win | but suddenly laziness |
| 22:08.19 | DeadZergling | ummm, your weapons seemed to switch pretty good last time I played A1win |
| 22:08.28 | DeadZergling | you mean show it visually? |
| 22:08.43 | A1win | I mean like changing loadout while dead |
| 22:15.16 | DeadZergling | Wish I could just come up with an idea I like that only takes a month to crap together |
| 22:16.23 | A1win | simple games are more difficult to make interesting than complicated ones :P |
| 22:19.14 | DeadZergling | maybe, I often wonder how well brood war clones could fare |
| 22:20.49 | DeadZergling | anyways, have the oddest urge to play Z's map again, at work so I can't, but still have it, lol |
| 22:23.07 | DeadZergling | hard to tell if it is just because the idea is interesting to me, because I am an asshole in that I enjoy continually pissing off the other team, or that I am desperately seeking anything to get me out of having to work on my own project. |
| 22:23.20 | DeadZergling | or some combination of the three |
| 22:25.10 | DeadZergling | Zolden always being on the opposite team, and always losing was also quite hilarious to me |
| 22:27.09 | Bounty | What do you guys think of my "Galaxy" so far? |
| 22:27.10 | Bounty | https://www.dropbox.com/s/rvra6a261ccsare/SC2Editor%202013-11-22%2017-25-24-17.jpg |
| 22:28.59 | DeadZergling | it looks like a stun model with yellow glow crapped on top? |
| 22:29.26 | Bounty | Thats because it is that model |
| 22:29.32 | Bounty | and its a lot more than yellow |
| 22:29.34 | Bounty | derp |
| 22:37.02 | DeadZergling | should know the dangers of asking these kinds of questions while I'm around, Bounty :) |
| 22:37.29 | Bounty | You didnt even answer the question sadly |
| 22:37.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:47.08 | DeadZergling | you asked what I thought about it, I told you, do you even know what you ask Hit-Bounty? :) |
| 22:47.22 | Bounty | I mean do you think it looks good or not |
| 22:47.28 | Bounty | You know what I meant mister |
| 22:47.45 | DeadZergling | I think it'd look okay at a distance |
| 22:47.52 | DeadZergling | that close up though, no, awful |
| 22:47.57 | Bounty | I'm going to add more to it |
| 22:48.01 | Bounty | Thats just for the base |
| 22:48.06 | Bounty | Need some clouds |
| 22:48.10 | Bounty | stars planets etc |
| 22:48.32 | DeadZergling | the core is a little bleh, look better if it was more defined |
| 22:48.56 | Bounty | add a glowing center? |
| 22:49.00 | DeadZergling | or at least not so bright |
| 22:49.22 | DeadZergling | no, just like to see more definition there, is just a glowy blur of crap to me atm |
| 22:49.25 | Bounty | https://www.google.com/search?q=galaxy&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ftaPUsOJLYmx2QX71oG4Dg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1235&bih=907#facrc=_&imgdii=Qje7GVAmHva2_M%3A%3B-6WHhiJGmHvHHM%3BQje7GVAmHva2_M%3A&imgrc=Qje7GVAmHva2_M%3A%3BIT_PhMZUCxYi-M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.8planets.co.uk%252Fwp-content%252Fthemes%252F8planets%252Fimages%252Fgalaxy_messier81_lg.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.8planets.co.uk%252Ffacts-about-galaxies%3B1000%3B1000 |
| 22:49.33 | Bounty | yeah |
| 22:49.38 | Bounty | thats what it looks like lol |
| 22:50.00 | DeadZergling | doesn't mean it couldn't look better |
| 22:50.06 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 22:50.16 | Bounty | But for a start, I think its decent |
| 22:50.23 | Bounty | better then the Singularity model |
| 22:50.35 | DeadZergling | like take http://i.livescience.com/images/i/000/033/696/wW3/spiral-galaxy-ngc1232-1920.jpg?1353553724 |
| 22:50.53 | Bounty | hmm |
| 22:50.55 | Bounty | good point |
| 22:50.56 | DeadZergling | that one isn't bad, is fine if the center is super glowy, but the center on yours is kind of big |
| 22:51.07 | Bounty | I mean this is going to be a map the player navigates so.. |
| 22:51.34 | Bounty | I need some sort of spiraling gas effect |
| 22:51.42 | DeadZergling | this one is pretty good too |
| 22:51.42 | DeadZergling | http://www.constellation-guide.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Andromeda-Galaxy-M31-NASA.jpg |
| 22:51.43 | Bounty | looking for it now *fingers crossed* |
| 22:52.00 | Bounty | Ah, Andromeda |
| 22:52.08 | Bounty | Gonna suck for those people that are alive when that shit hits us |
| 22:52.09 | Bounty | haha |
| 22:52.22 | Bounty | That picture is detailed as fuck though, very nice |
| 22:52.40 | DeadZergling | i have a little experience browsing galaxy pictures |
| 22:52.47 | DeadZergling | I used them to crap together my intro screen |
| 22:52.48 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 22:52.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:53.09 | Bounty | Is there anyway to get a doodad to just rotate forever |
| 22:53.29 | DeadZergling | yes, I think most just slap it on a mothership |
| 22:54.21 | DeadZergling | if you ask Zolden nicely, he would probably make a simple rotating model for you |
| 22:54.22 | A1win | attach it to a Site Operation (Rotator) actor |
| 22:54.33 | DeadZergling | but you just opacity it out to 0 anyways |
| 22:54.52 | A1win | I mean set its host site op as a rotator |
| 22:55.20 | A1win | set local axis to 0,0,1 if you want it to rotate around z axis |
| 22:55.27 | Bounty | host site operations? |
| 22:55.28 | Bounty | right? |
| 22:55.42 | A1win | yeah |
| 22:55.50 | A1win | Hosting: Host Site Operations - Operations |
| 22:56.03 | Bounty | what actor? theres a bunch of em lol |
| 22:56.06 | A1win | put SOpAttachCenter at top and then a rotator |
| 22:56.13 | A1win | create a new rotator site op |
| 22:56.14 | Bounty | rotationsmooth |
| 22:56.20 | Bounty | ah |
| 22:56.52 | Bounty | actor type? :) |
| 22:57.15 | A1win | Site Operation (Rotator) |
| 22:57.46 | Bounty | set it to 1,0,0 |
| 22:57.49 | Bounty | so it spins |
| 22:57.54 | Bounty | and I guess I set the rate to 1 |
| 22:58.03 | A1win | you want it to spin around x axis? |
| 22:58.08 | Bounty | in a circle |
| 22:58.12 | Bounty | yes |
| 22:58.27 | A1win | it's not viewed from top-down? |
| 22:58.56 | A1win | well you'll find out if it's the wrong axis ;p |
| 22:59.02 | Bounty | its not spinning |
| 22:59.22 | A1win | did you add a attach center siteop above the rotator site op? |
| 22:59.31 | A1win | in the site ops list |
| 22:59.43 | Bounty | for the rotator actor? |
| 22:59.54 | A1win | for the actor that you want to spin |
| 23:00.13 | A1win | Hosting: Host Site Operations - Operations |
| 23:00.23 | A1win | that should have an attach center site op AND the rotator site op |
| 23:00.37 | Bounty | yep |
| 23:01.11 | A1win | is rotation allowed for the model? |
| 23:01.35 | Bounty | accepted transfers? |
| 23:01.40 | A1win | or maybe in the actor |
| 23:01.44 | A1win | can't remember where it's defined |
| 23:01.44 | A1win | no |
| 23:01.56 | A1win | something that prevents rotation completely |
| 23:02.24 | Bounty | would this show up in the editor btw? |
| 23:02.36 | A1win | yeah just can't remember what it was :x |
| 23:02.40 | Bounty | the rotation |
| 23:02.40 | Bounty | kk |
| 23:02.43 | Bounty | just making sure |
| 23:02.47 | A1win | like when placing doodads you can't rotate all of them |
| 23:02.54 | A1win | they have locked rotation somehow |
| 23:04.41 | A1win | can't seem to find it :X |
| 23:06.26 | Bounty | https://www.dropbox.com/s/jp0gg67hm3m6ddc/actors.png |
| 23:06.29 | Bounty | just incase |
| 23:08.28 | ArcanePariah | To answer the question of rotation of doodads in the editor, under the Doodad Actor, in the Editor Flags, there is a Field called "Can Rotate" |
| 23:08.39 | ArcanePariah | Needs to be enabled |
| 23:09.29 | A1win | oh, editor flags |
| 23:09.37 | A1win | I guess that has no effect in-game then? |
| 23:09.41 | ArcanePariah | Correct |
| 23:09.53 | A1win | so then there's something wrong about the site ops setup |
| 23:10.06 | ArcanePariah | If you want to lock rotation in game, need to set the Hold Rotation under Site Ops, so it will not rotate ever |
| 23:10.07 | A1win | dunno, I'm not very experienced with them ;p |
| 23:10.20 | A1win | he wants to make a doodad spin around |
| 23:10.23 | A1win | constantly |
| 23:10.44 | ArcanePariah | In that case, he wants a turret actor I believe |
| 23:11.03 | A1win | can't just use a Rotator site op? |
| 23:11.58 | A1win | it works for my ship unit, it has a model attachment using rotator, causing it to spin |
| 23:11.59 | ArcanePariah | True, you can since it just will be rotating and not changing in that regard |
| 23:12.16 | ArcanePariah | So yes, a rotater site op would be sufficient |
| 23:12.25 | Bounty | I linked what I have |
| 23:12.26 | A1win | it didn't work somehow |
| 23:12.29 | Bounty | https://www.dropbox.com/s/jp0gg67hm3m6ddc/actors.png |
| 23:12.36 | Bounty | did i mix anything up? |
| 23:12.54 | A1win | I've only done this for a model attachment, dunno how it should be done for a doodad |
| 23:14.53 | ArcanePariah | A1win, yours probably didn't work since the model attachment was probably inheriting the host rotation continously |
| 23:15.01 | A1win | mine works |
| 23:15.09 | ArcanePariah | Oh ok |
| 23:15.12 | A1win | Bounty's doesn't |
| 23:15.21 | ArcanePariah | Oh, so we are trying to see how to make bounty's work |
| 23:15.22 | A1win | I have a hold rotation in mine above the rotator site op |
| 23:15.32 | A1win | yup ;p |
| 23:15.58 | Bounty | so enable hold rotation? |
| 23:16.15 | A1win | nah |
| 23:16.25 | A1win | it's a different site op, but it shouldn't be needed in your case |
| 23:16.29 | A1win | since it's not attached to anything |
| 23:17.45 | *** join/#sc2mapster ousnius (5fd0fa79@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.208.250.121) |
| 23:18.38 | ousnius | hey |
| 23:18.53 | ousnius | do you guys think patch 2.1 will bring more arcade players? |
| 23:19.06 | Ahli | yes |
| 23:19.11 | Ahli | because free |
| 23:19.21 | Ahli | we just need more good maps ;D |
| 23:19.26 | A1win | dunno how many, though |
| 23:19.36 | ousnius | but blizz will have to advertise it in some way |
| 23:19.52 | A1win | people will bring their friends |
| 23:19.56 | ousnius | to let people know |
| 23:20.00 | Ahli | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/11735472/ |
| 23:20.05 | Ahli | Bibendus: already out ;D |
| 23:20.21 | Bounty | So I guess I'm screwed A1win? lol |
| 23:20.34 | DeadZergling | friends, who has those |
| 23:20.34 | A1win | Bounty, well ask someone who knows about actors better ;p |
| 23:21.18 | ousnius | if I'd ask my friends to come play some sc2 they'll laugh and get right back to LoL :P |
| 23:21.19 | DeadZergling | it was pretty entertaining watching the blind lead the blind |
| 23:22.31 | Ahli | Bibendus: btw, your tutorial had a typo yesterday when I played it :D |
| 23:23.10 | DeadZergling | did he accidentally put woman where it was supposed to say sandwich maker? |
| 23:24.02 | *** join/#sc2mapster nooblark (nooblark@c-68-46-106-180.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 23:28.30 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a92/SC2%202013-11-23%2001-27-37-96.jpg |
| 23:28.43 | A1win | still had to tamper with the energy icons ;p |
| 23:29.21 | *** part/#sc2mapster G0A (~hookah604@91.83.0.145.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 23:30.27 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmm, so partially full just shows a grayed out energy thing"? |
| 23:30.47 | DeadZergling | could be partially filled instead you know |
| 23:30.58 | A1win | it blends in linearly over time |
| 23:31.13 | A1win | partially filled is not easy to see whether it's full or not |
| 23:31.29 | A1win | now it blends from dark grey into white and then instantly becomes pink |
| 23:31.57 | DeadZergling | yea, is fine if that's the style you like |
| 23:32.24 | DeadZergling | could make it an overly complicated bar too if you want though |
| 23:32.49 | A1win | it looks very nice as it animates |
| 23:33.14 | A1win | really easy to notice that you lose energy when a bunch of pink balls turn dark grey when you activate an ability |
| 23:33.16 | DeadZergling | hard to tell from that pic |
| 23:33.21 | A1win | mm |
| 23:33.31 | A1win | you'll see ;p |
| 23:33.43 | DeadZergling | maybe, I might be too busy playing Z's map |
| 23:33.46 | DeadZergling | or working on mine |
| 23:34.17 | Bibendus | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbH5eQNOc38&feature=em-uploademail |
| 23:34.18 | Bibendus | yey |
| 23:37.57 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmmm, really need to make my dialog arrows look cooler |
| 23:38.08 | Bibendus | feels ignored |
| 23:38.20 | DeadZergling | what, I saw your arrows |
| 23:38.36 | DeadZergling | realized mine could look better with simple fading and an arrow to where it's going :P |
| 23:38.43 | Bibendus | wut |
| 23:38.50 | Bibendus | u mean the arrows I used in my research tree? |
| 23:38.52 | DeadZergling | your menu on your video around 1:30 |
| 23:39.00 | DeadZergling | yea, mine look a little bleh |
| 23:39.03 | Bibendus | I used existing arrow thinghies |
| 23:39.11 | Bibendus | and yes they were color graduated |
| 23:39.24 | DeadZergling | well regardless, mine could be better |
| 23:40.57 | DeadZergling | will be better too, after I force myself to finish my 5th class and third area boss |
| 23:41.12 | DeadZergling | certainly help my progress if I avoided Z's map tonight, lol |
| 23:42.56 | DeadZergling | get to maintain my winning streak too |
