| 00:00.05 | MoonEater916 | triggers inventory i guess |
| 00:00.16 | A1win | weak but instant beam for primary mode, strong charging beam for secondary mode |
| 00:19.08 | LoldLolddelolt | Kueken, do you think I'm annoying? |
| 00:19.24 | miushock | anyone familiar with location offset on effects? |
| 00:20.25 | DeadZergling | yes, typically use a create persistent to achieve it |
| 00:20.43 | miushock | my problem is the caster unit orientation |
| 00:21.02 | miushock | like.. how do i get the point , say 10 units behind the caster unit |
| 00:21.18 | DeadZergling | use a periodic offset/effect |
| 00:21.23 | DeadZergling | +10 y I believe |
| 00:22.10 | miushock | i'll try it out i guess |
| 00:22.29 | DeadZergling | sure, I use -y values to get in front of the caster all the time |
| 00:22.34 | miushock | i'll come back to ask more about it later |
| 00:22.36 | DeadZergling | so +y is behind him |
| 00:22.46 | miushock | thanks for this and future questions in ahead XD |
| 00:22.58 | DeadZergling | is important you use periodic though |
| 00:23.01 | DeadZergling | it won't work on the others |
| 00:23.08 | miushock | not initial? |
| 00:23.18 | DeadZergling | nope, that will be standard x, y |
| 00:23.21 | DeadZergling | not in relation to the caster |
| 00:23.41 | miushock | i c... |
| 00:23.45 | miushock | i'll try it out thx |
| 00:25.02 | Kueken | LoldLolddelolt: Yes, I do. |
| 00:25.09 | LoldLolddelolt | Kueken. =( |
| 00:25.10 | LoldLolddelolt | sOrry |
| 00:25.30 | LoldLolddelolt | Kueken, do you want me to leave this channel? |
| 00:25.39 | Kueken | considering the "Kueken is a liar" episode and the following "Kueken is the most truthful of all" |
| 00:25.51 | Kueken | :) |
| 00:26.00 | Kueken | you certainly got some stamina |
| 00:26.18 | LoldLolddelolt | Ah yes that |
| 00:26.35 | LoldLolddelolt | Kueken, you would agree though that ahli's German is awful right? |
| 00:26.46 | Kueken | maybe |
| 00:26.48 | LoldLolddelolt | Das Mädchen und Ihr buch lol |
| 00:26.50 | Kueken | mine as well, though |
| 00:26.56 | LoldLolddelolt | What manner of idiot would say that |
| 00:26.59 | Kueken | I don't really care |
| 00:27.06 | LoldLolddelolt | You should |
| 00:27.08 | Zolden | my german is good |
| 00:27.13 | LoldLolddelolt | that we together may exact vengeance |
| 00:27.30 | Zolden | ain cwai drai fir funf ... zeben |
| 00:27.40 | Zolden | hitler kaputten |
| 00:27.44 | Zolden | shraibikus |
| 00:27.48 | Zolden | what else do i know |
| 00:27.51 | Zolden | dunke shon |
| 00:27.52 | Kueken | so you are going to annoy me again for the next 3 to 5 months with the vengeance thing? |
| 00:27.58 | LoldLolddelolt | ain, cwa aaha |
| 00:28.02 | Zolden | ya und nine |
| 00:28.03 | LoldLolddelolt | Kueken =( |
| 00:28.06 | LoldLolddelolt | I don't mean to annoy. |
| 00:28.07 | Kueken | :p |
| 00:28.12 | LoldLolddelolt | It's just, I'm so bored |
| 00:28.23 | DeadZergling | mind explaining wtf is going on Kueken, lol |
| 00:28.27 | DeadZergling | I'm confused |
| 00:28.34 | Zolden | Kueken you can block it by ip |
| 00:28.40 | Zolden | or what they block by |
| 00:28.42 | Kueken | Lajla and me have a history :D |
| 00:28.51 | Kueken | yeah, I know I could block |
| 00:28.58 | LoldLolddelolt | And I* |
| 00:29.05 | Kueken | sorry |
| 00:29.27 | LoldLolddelolt | exacts a small amount of vengeance on kueken and nibbles his or her left earlobe |
| 00:29.38 | Zolden | anyone wannna join try my map? |
| 00:29.42 | Zolden | Kueken DeadZergling? |
| 00:30.05 | Zolden | Dustin have you tried magical builder? |
| 00:30.07 | Kueken | I honestly have no idea anymore how the whole thing started, but I did say something editor-related that turned out to be not correct |
| 00:30.30 | Kueken | and Lajla kept calling out to everyone in the chat that I was a liar |
| 00:30.35 | DeadZergling | at work atm Zolden, so cannot |
| 00:30.37 | Kueken | for about 3 to 5 months |
| 00:30.39 | Zolden | ok |
| 00:30.46 | DeadZergling | so Lajila is a troll? |
| 00:30.55 | Zolden | Kueken internet is full of freaks |
| 00:31.26 | Kueken | then we had some sort of talk where I basically said I don't like that |
| 00:31.34 | Kueken | (or something like that xD) |
| 00:31.59 | Kueken | and then he callet out I would be the "most truthful of all" |
| 00:32.05 | Kueken | again for 3 to 5 months |
| 00:32.15 | Kueken | *called |
| 00:33.12 | Kueken | oh, and LoldLolddelolt = Lajla |
| 00:33.25 | LoldLolddelolt | Kueken, HOW DID YOU KNOWWWWWW? |
| 00:34.02 | Kueken | you sort of gave it away with the venceance thing :D |
| 00:34.09 | Kueken | just a tiny bit |
| 00:34.44 | DeadZergling | well already figured Lol = Lajila |
| 00:35.04 | DeadZergling | just wasn't sure why anyone would have any reason to go after you like that |
| 00:36.15 | LoldLolddelolt | Everyone always thinks I'm annoying. =( |
| 00:37.51 | Kueken | DeadZergling: Boredom is usually a sufficient reason :D |
| 00:38.03 | JademusSreg | Naw, not efficacious enough to qualify as annoying. |
| 00:38.35 | JademusSreg | More adorably ineffectual. |
| 00:39.29 | Kueken | Also, "Troll" doesn't really fit either. I have seen very serious and in-depth discussions about editor-related or language-related stuff. |
| 00:39.51 | MoonEater916 | im anoyed already |
| 00:39.56 | MoonEater916 | and i read like 2 lines |
| 00:40.00 | Kueken | (at least they looked serious and in-depth to me, I might just be naive :D) |
| 00:40.34 | MoonEater916 | plus bitch kuekens mine |
| 00:40.34 | DeadZergling | just from what I'm hearing described, troll instantly comes to mind |
| 00:40.36 | MoonEater916 | SO BACK OFF |
| 00:41.01 | MoonEater916 | ..i. -.- .i.. |
| 00:41.20 | DeadZergling | take MoonEater916 seriously now, he is a period vampire you know |
| 00:41.33 | MoonEater916 | lolz... |
| 00:41.34 | MoonEater916 | AHAHA |
| 00:41.57 | DeadZergling | 916 is how many meals he has had so far |
| 00:41.59 | LoldLolddelolt | Kueken, everyone htes me. =( |
| 00:42.22 | MoonEater916 | not everyone |
| 00:42.29 | MoonEater916 | try talking about conspiracys |
| 00:42.35 | MoonEater916 | then everyone will hate u |
| 00:42.37 | Kueken | just to clarify, "period" is a synonyme for "menstruation" in english as well, correct? |
| 00:42.45 | MoonEater916 | yes |
| 00:42.47 | MoonEater916 | it is |
| 00:42.53 | MoonEater916 | hes calling me a pussy vampire |
| 00:43.22 | Kueken | also you are a vampire who is currently bleeding out |
| 00:43.27 | MoonEater916 | no |
| 00:43.35 | Kueken | don't you have the urge to bite yourself? |
| 00:43.37 | MoonEater916 | im a vampire who sucks bloody pussy |
| 00:43.50 | Kueken | aw, thats just disgusting |
| 00:43.57 | MoonEater916 | ya |
| 00:44.03 | MoonEater916 | well thats why i laughed |
| 00:44.06 | MoonEater916 | it was a good burn |
| 00:44.20 | MoonEater916 | almost as good as my gf having a bigger dick than me |
| 00:44.42 | DeadZergling | that would of course assume, you actually had a gf |
| 00:45.18 | MoonEater916 | see not as good |
| 00:45.32 | DeadZergling | no, reality is rarely as funny |
| 00:45.49 | MoonEater916 | lol only in irc |
| 00:45.58 | DeadZergling | it just ends in one of this big ugly Forever Alone faces |
| 00:46.04 | DeadZergling | *one of those |
| 00:46.53 | DeadZergling | anyways, LoldLolddelolt , I wouldn't say I hate you |
| 00:46.59 | DeadZergling | I just find you moderately annoying |
| 00:47.06 | LoldLolddelolt | =( |
| 00:47.09 | DeadZergling | so uh, cheer up? |
| 00:47.20 | MoonEater916 | LoldLolddelolt talk about conspiracies |
| 00:47.24 | JademusSreg | It's just adorable. |
| 00:47.45 | MoonEater916 | then we have jade... |
| 00:48.12 | DeadZergling | I wonder how many languages Jade knows bad words in |
| 00:48.22 | DeadZergling | he would have to know many, seems all his variables have shit or fuck in them |
| 00:49.10 | MoonEater916 | i particulary like when he explains stuff to me |
| 00:49.12 | Kueken | so using "fuck" as a variable name in a programming language counts as cursing in said language? |
| 00:49.14 | MoonEater916 | he dumbed it down |
| 00:49.22 | MoonEater916 | yet made it more intelligable |
| 00:49.24 | MoonEater916 | at the same time |
| 00:49.51 | JademusSreg | ♥ |
| 00:50.53 | Kueken | curse in Galaxy: bool Shit (int fuck) {return fuck;}, curse in Jass: function Shit takes integer fuck returns boolean return fuck endfunction |
| 00:50.54 | Kueken | etc |
| 00:51.58 | ArcanePariah | comes back from coding, sees chat, wonders what the hell... |
| 00:52.03 | Kueken | do the same in python, c# and pearl and we covered cursing in 5 different languages |
| 00:52.09 | Kueken | ! |
| 00:52.47 | DeadZergling | we are exploring the issues with each mapper |
| 00:52.49 | DeadZergling | apparently |
| 00:53.03 | DeadZergling | LoldLolddelolt for example is annoying and hated but doesn't know why |
| 00:53.04 | ArcanePariah | How about this, Write a Html Form that uses AJAX to get the response from a PHP script that quereies a database for a text field in a table with one entry, with its value = "Fuck" |
| 00:53.15 | MoonEater916 | lolz |
| 00:53.23 | MoonEater916 | now we need sql |
| 00:53.28 | DeadZergling | Moon Eater is a vampire of the gross kind |
| 00:53.29 | ArcanePariah | Umm |
| 00:53.31 | ArcanePariah | Already there |
| 00:53.44 | ArcanePariah | PHP script that QUERIES the database |
| 00:53.45 | DeadZergling | I have issues where I keep making derogotary remarks for absolutely no reason |
| 00:53.56 | ArcanePariah | so SQL sent via php |
| 00:54.05 | LoldLolddelolt | Kueken, you should not use python |
| 00:54.11 | ArcanePariah | And now you know my pain from the last hour... |
| 00:54.23 | ArcanePariah | Web programming = clusterfuck |
| 00:54.29 | MoonEater916 | python rocks with unix |
| 00:54.36 | MoonEater916 | LOLZ |
| 00:54.56 | ArcanePariah | It is literally like the bastard implementation of basic system IO and GUI.... |
| 00:55.22 | Kueken | LoldLolddelolt: I never used it, I think... I tried a WC3 language extention inspired by python once |
| 00:55.35 | LoldLolddelolt | Kueken, good |
| 00:55.41 | LoldLolddelolt | because if you did, you should be executed. |
| 00:55.50 | ArcanePariah | Anyone sadomaschoistic enough to implement the data editor on a web page? |
| 00:55.55 | ArcanePariah | XD |
| 00:56.04 | Kueken | eh |
| 00:56.08 | MoonEater916 | LOLZ |
| 00:56.10 | Kueken | you start, I got your back |
| 00:56.16 | ArcanePariah | hahahaha |
| 00:56.19 | MoonEater916 | im so onboard |
| 00:56.21 | MoonEater916 | XD |
| 00:56.23 | MoonEater916 | ahaha |
| 00:56.53 | ArcanePariah | Bonus points if we store the values in a true database and wrap them back in XML for viewing |
| 00:57.38 | MoonEater916 | i can do that |
| 00:57.43 | MoonEater916 | :P |
| 00:57.48 | MoonEater916 | take me only 3 months |
| 00:57.49 | MoonEater916 | XD |
| 00:58.18 | ArcanePariah | Would be one heck of a project, massive database, combined with huge PHP scripts with rediculous Jquery powered HTML front end :P |
| 00:58.37 | ArcanePariah | Practically the definition of reimplementing the wheel, badly |
| 00:58.45 | MoonEater916 | just thinking about it makes me impotent |
| 00:59.15 | ArcanePariah | Ironically though, I wonder if a true database engine would be more efficient then Blizzard's XML parser |
| 00:59.55 | ArcanePariah | With properly tuned queries ofc |
| 01:00.04 | MoonEater916 | possibly |
| 01:00.09 | MoonEater916 | if the database as a good structure |
| 01:01.08 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, would have to engineer a database layout from existing data editor and then maybe tweak some stuff, then have stored routines to speed up future queries |
| 01:01.51 | ArcanePariah | Something tells me it would require a beefy server to run all of this.... especially if we made it session based for each user |
| 01:02.11 | MoonEater916 | na |
| 01:02.23 | MoonEater916 | ull just get query times of 5 seconds |
| 01:02.49 | ArcanePariah | But still feels doable since the data editor is a front end for an XML editor, nothing more, and JQuery AJAX can easily take XML back as responses from scripts so emitting the XML would be easy |
| 01:03.08 | Kueken | Well, for the actual data we could at least try to make a script that pulls the data from the SC2 files D: |
| 01:03.50 | ArcanePariah | Basically our own XML parser/emitter? |
| 01:03.53 | ArcanePariah | Probably |
| 01:04.22 | ArcanePariah | But the sheer scope of the data editor probably deters anyone from trying |
| 01:04.59 | ArcanePariah | Has anyone even recorded all the fields and the associated XML for any of the major data types (Unit, Effects, Behaviors, etc.)? |
| 01:06.07 | ArcanePariah | Ok, let's cut to the chase, given the nature of the data editor, is there really anything (techinically) preventing the creation of a standalone data editor? |
| 01:06.26 | ArcanePariah | With more limited scope and better performance? |
| 01:08.19 | MoonEater916 | man |
| 01:08.35 | MoonEater916 | it would be awsome have a webpage that will construst the xml for sc2 |
| 01:08.38 | Kueken | I am not the most technically versed person in the world, but considering one can create a data unit with nothing more than a text editor, I don't see any major problems |
| 01:09.24 | Kueken | especially if you make a requirement that the map has to be a component list |
| 01:09.39 | Kueken | otherwise we would have to fiddle with MPQ editors |
| 01:09.56 | Kueken | (which is probably not even a problem) |
| 01:10.07 | ArcanePariah | Yeah... well, not even that... include an MPQ editor and run it from within to extract the data files, and repackage on save |
| 01:10.45 | Kueken | yeah, thats what I meant |
| 01:10.56 | Kueken | if thats easy to do then w/e |
| 01:12.16 | Kueken | problems would probably be implementing it in the editor and/or making it create valid maps and upload them to bnet |
| 01:12.29 | MoonEater916 | na |
| 01:12.35 | Kueken | so you would probably need to create a map with the galaxy editor beforehand |
| 01:12.35 | MoonEater916 | copy paste the xml |
| 01:12.42 | Kueken | or that |
| 01:12.57 | Kueken | make the tool inject xml in a map probably |
| 01:13.02 | ArcanePariah | ^ |
| 01:13.08 | ArcanePariah | That's more what I had in mind |
| 01:13.20 | MoonEater916 | i think xml would be a first step |
| 01:13.21 | ArcanePariah | Open a map, change things, save it again |
| 01:13.37 | ArcanePariah | Well, extracting the XML is easy, already have the tool for it |
| 01:14.07 | Kueken | so yeah, a simple external unit wizard could be a first step |
| 01:14.14 | Kueken | thats probably not hard |
| 01:16.25 | MoonEater916 | well ull need to make all the xml for all the editor first |
| 01:16.27 | MoonEater916 | the actors |
| 01:16.29 | MoonEater916 | behaviors |
| 01:16.30 | MoonEater916 | effects |
| 01:16.31 | MoonEater916 | units |
| 01:16.36 | MoonEater916 | then u inject |
| 01:16.59 | ArcanePariah | Sure, but you can start small, have just say, effects |
| 01:17.07 | ArcanePariah | and add the needed ones in later |
| 01:17.34 | ArcanePariah | Also, we probably could skip many of the lesser used effects |
| 01:17.43 | ArcanePariah | Like redirect ability/redirect missile |
| 01:18.08 | ArcanePariah | Most common effects are like: Set/Search Area/Create Persistent/Damage/Issue Order/Apply Behavior |
| 01:18.34 | ArcanePariah | Ok, random question, why has no one thought of this before? |
| 01:18.41 | ArcanePariah | Or has no one just been arsed to try? |
| 01:19.31 | ArcanePariah | Anyhow back to the subject at hand.... If desktop based, this would probably need to be java |
| 01:19.51 | ArcanePariah | Or could do it web based, but mapmakers may not be keen on giving their maps up |
| 01:20.02 | ArcanePariah | Since they would have to upload them to have them extracted |
| 01:20.23 | miushock | AP |
| 01:20.38 | miushock | help me again |
| 01:20.40 | ArcanePariah | Sup |
| 01:21.33 | miushock | when creating persistent |
| 01:22.07 | miushock | there're 3 effect phase to plug something in, the initial, periodic and final |
| 01:22.31 | miushock | i've tried the initial and it doesn't give me the offset according to character orientation as i wantted |
| 01:23.14 | ArcanePariah | To make it work correctly for player orientation, you need to set the Location Start and Location End to create the direction |
| 01:23.51 | ArcanePariah | So in your jump backwards case, the Location Start is the caster Unit, and the Location end is the source point |
| 01:24.13 | miushock | i've tried that |
| 01:24.26 | Kueken | also, not sure if that is fixed, but last time I tried, initial and final offsets didn't work correctly, so I usually just use more periodic offsets again |
| 01:24.49 | Kueken | that is 2+ years old info, though, might have changed in the meantime |
| 01:24.55 | miushock | well the current state i'm on is that the unit turned face to south and not moving at all |
| 01:25.31 | Kueken | paste the XML data |
| 01:26.01 | JademusSreg | Arc, could use node.js instead of php, if you're the trendy sort. =D |
| 01:27.11 | ArcanePariah | Jademus: Yeah, but I know little of Node.js. Also, random IRC question, how does one get IRC to ping based on aliases? |
| 01:27.20 | ArcanePariah | Himghlight* |
| 01:27.25 | ArcanePariah | Highlight* |
| 01:27.27 | JademusSreg | Depends on the client. |
| 01:27.31 | ArcanePariah | fail spelling of the hour |
| 01:27.59 | ArcanePariah | Is it a client setting or an IRC command? |
| 01:28.16 | miushock | in teams of php replacement, i think rails would be the most stable choice |
| 01:28.23 | miushock | node.js probably abit light weighted? |
| 01:28.36 | JademusSreg | Client setting. |
| 01:28.40 | miushock | ah |
| 01:28.41 | miushock | i c |
| 01:29.34 | ArcanePariah | miushock: I'm an idoit, you don't need a persistent effect, you can jsut use the offsets in the launch missle effect |
| 01:30.50 | ArcanePariah | So keep the launch missile effect, set the launch and impact location to Source Unit, and set Impact Offset to (0, -distance, 0) |
| 01:31.45 | Kueken | those offsets have some weird interactions, though |
| 01:32.10 | Kueken | they mess up certain kinds of movers |
| 01:32.36 | Kueken | I usually use persistent offsets instead |
| 01:34.44 | miushock | let me do one thing at a time |
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| 01:38.20 | miushock | linking to the launch directly didnt work for me |
| 01:38.26 | miushock | let me extract the xml now |
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| 01:40.03 | JademusSreg | I'd assist if I were informed of the problem. |
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| 01:40.47 | miushock | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.54 | miushock | umm that looked ugly |
| 01:41.01 | Kueken | try pastebin instead :D |
| 01:41.29 | Kueken | 50 offset? o_o |
| 01:41.42 | Kueken | you know that is probably half your map, right? |
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| 01:42.24 | Kueken | ArcanePariah: Get your shit together o_0 |
| 01:42.29 | miushock | failed to figure it out |
| 01:42.34 | miushock | how do i use the pastebin? |
| 01:42.41 | Kueken | www.pastebin.com |
| 01:42.48 | miushock | yeah i saw a text area |
| 01:42.49 | miushock | and? |
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| 01:43.08 | Kueken | paste text, click submit, paste link here |
| 01:43.20 | miushock | oh i c |
| 01:43.32 | miushock | http://pastebin.com/kWNUASNd |
| 01:43.41 | MoonEater916 | WOO |
| 01:43.44 | MoonEater916 | what the hell! |
| 01:44.07 | Kueken | so what happens? |
| 01:44.24 | Kueken | no jump at all? |
| 01:44.27 | Kueken | no offset? |
| 01:45.18 | Kueken | JademusSreg: You probably couldn't help at this point, since we are guessing about the design :D |
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| 01:45.24 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:46.07 | Kueken | or rather I am guessing and ArcanePariah runs a counterclockwise boolean loop on his internet connection |
| 01:46.20 | miushock | keuken, let me describe my need in more details |
| 01:46.27 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 01:46.55 | ArcanePariah | Actually, experiementing with various settings in Chatzilla as to find the most efficient command/setup to join this channel |
| 01:47.04 | Kueken | I really need this alias highlight stuff :D |
| 01:47.05 | ArcanePariah | When Chatzilla starts |
| 01:47.21 | Kueken | more people call me keuken than kueken |
| 01:47.26 | miushock | i'm trying to create an ability called 'disengage', which is an instant ability that moves the character backwards by certain distance, along parabolic path preferrably |
| 01:47.57 | Kueken | uh, Jade, design for you :D |
| 01:48.07 | miushock | so it's not really anything like jump behavior, just wanted it to 'launch' the unit backwards with some mover |
| 01:48.30 | Kueken | yes, so you use launch effect without ammo unit and with an offset |
| 01:48.34 | JademusSreg | Ah, this is covered in the standard data. |
| 01:48.35 | Kueken | so it launches the caster |
| 01:49.13 | miushock | yes, that's what i wanted but cant get it to word |
| 01:49.21 | miushock | AP has been helping me in past day |
| 01:49.25 | Kueken | what exactly happens currently? |
| 01:49.27 | miushock | but i'm too new to figure it out |
| 01:49.40 | Kueken | does the unit get launched at all? |
| 01:49.43 | JademusSreg | HotS has a number of leap abilities, which use launch missile with parabolic movers. |
| 01:50.04 | miushock | upon casting, the caster turned herself facing south rightaway, but nothing moves |
| 01:50.36 | miushock | jade don't give me another reason to buy HtoS |
| 01:50.45 | miushock | i wont be able to stop laddering >_< |
| 01:50.48 | Kueken | a couple of things that could be the issue, however I am not 100% sure: |
| 01:50.49 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure the Dehaka leap mover or some such is a good reference. |
| 01:50.55 | Kueken | you might need an impact effect |
| 01:51.03 | Kueken | an empty set or something |
| 01:52.10 | Kueken | also as mentioned before, the impact offset for launch effects used to be bugged, I personally would use a persistent effect to define the offset, as these have been more reliable in my experience |
| 01:52.42 | JademusSreg | Instant ability > Create Persistent effect with an impact offset of 0,1,0 > Launch Missile effect with a parabolic mover. |
| 01:53.02 | Kueken | and maybe impact effect |
| 01:53.17 | miushock | that's what AP originally told me |
| 01:53.20 | Kueken | or Jade do you know its not required? |
| 01:53.58 | miushock | i've just removed the persistent, i'll try add it back in to see what happens |
| 01:54.04 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure it's not required, since it doesn't need an action actor to update the visuals. |
| 01:55.52 | ArcanePariah | Ahh found the highlight thing for Chatzilla |
| 01:56.03 | ArcanePariah | Good times |
| 01:59.06 | miushock | ummm we're back to the original question again |
| 01:59.10 | miushock | if i use persistent |
| 01:59.14 | JademusSreg | Example data, somewhat relevant: https://pastee.org/epju4 |
| 01:59.33 | miushock | which effect type i shall use |
| 02:00.04 | miushock | the initial offset, according to kueken, wont work coz it's absolunte coordinate |
| 02:00.41 | miushock | give me a moment to read it through jade |
| 02:00.43 | miushock | thx for the link |
| 02:01.57 | Kueken | that doesn't use any offset, though |
| 02:02.03 | ArcanePariah | I don't quite understand the parabola distances.... are they a % of the max height? or ratio of the distance from ground? |
| 02:02.04 | Kueken | its a target point/unit leap |
| 02:02.07 | JademusSreg | Thus, somewhat relevant/. |
| 02:02.37 | Kueken | ArcanePariah: Not sure, I usually go trial&error on them |
| 02:05.11 | JademusSreg | Arc, iirc, they are arc phase ratios of the distance between source and target. |
| 02:05.22 | miushock | yeah it is targeted, very good reference tho |
| 02:06.59 | JademusSreg | As opposed to intro and outro (used in most movers with multiple motion drivers), which are distance from source or distance to target, depending on the value's sign. |
| 02:08.06 | ArcanePariah | So.... Launch is the % distance from target, pre apex is the % away from apex towards source, and vice versa for the other 2? |
| 02:08.38 | miushock | i'm still so confused tho |
| 02:08.52 | miushock | on creating the offset |
| 02:08.53 | JademusSreg | Start with a line. |
| 02:09.01 | JademusSreg | (Talking to Arc) |
| 02:09.16 | ArcanePariah | Makes sense, if you set the pre and post apex to be very small, you get a very sharp parabola, with larger values, you get a smoother curver |
| 02:09.29 | ArcanePariah | curve* |
| 02:09.47 | miushock | so what exactly is a 'periodic effect'? |
| 02:10.03 | miushock | is it really proper to use them in my case? |
| 02:10.15 | JademusSreg | An effect that can be measured in Hertz. |
| 02:10.41 | ArcanePariah | For persistent effects, you can define a periodic effect, and the period times, and the number of periods to run |
| 02:11.13 | ArcanePariah | It will go through the list of effects and period times, and if more periods then effects or times are required, it loops back through the list |
| 02:11.42 | ArcanePariah | You can also set flags to randomize the lists (run the effects in random order or use random periods) |
| 02:11.59 | ArcanePariah | A simple example is the Zealot attack |
| 02:12.03 | ArcanePariah | It has 2 periods |
| 02:12.20 | ArcanePariah | 1 at 0 seconds (instantly) and 1 a small duration alter |
| 02:12.23 | miushock | that's very clear, and that's why i don't feel right to link it to a launch missile effect |
| 02:12.26 | ArcanePariah | it has 1 period effect |
| 02:12.33 | ArcanePariah | damage in zealot case |
| 02:12.36 | ArcanePariah | so it runs it twice |
| 02:12.55 | miushock | the launching process should be an one time effect if i'm getting it right |
| 02:13.11 | JademusSreg | It can have a single period, of course, haha. |
| 02:13.15 | ArcanePariah | ^ |
| 02:13.52 | Kueken | it has the perk of also being able to use a periodic offset |
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| 02:14.15 | Kueken | so you use a single periodic effect (which is not really periodic in this case) |
| 02:14.19 | ArcanePariah | Which does serve a purpose, since you could create a list of effects and only 1 period and use the random flag to select one at random. However for that purpose a set works just as well |
| 02:14.25 | Kueken | and define a periodic offset for it |
| 02:20.02 | miushock | what's the problem of using initial effect then? caster cant pick up correct direction? |
| 02:20.46 | miushock | well nvm about it for now |
| 02:21.05 | miushock | i think this is getting a bit messy, let me clear up my own mind first |
| 02:21.33 | miushock | i'll come back later |
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| 02:57.17 | DeadZergling | Interesting, miushock had the same question earlier |
| 02:58.34 | JademusSreg | In what sense does it interest? |
| 03:00.08 | DeadZergling | just surprised to see him ask the same thing twice, must be just gettting started with data |
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| 03:00.24 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 03:03.02 | DeadZergling | just love running test cases with 70 different steps, and only touch it every few weeks, chance of confusion, 100 % ! |
| 03:04.20 | JademusSreg | I'd suggest someone develop gUnit, but I suspect someone would confuse it with a rapper. |
| 03:06.18 | LoldLolddelolt | JademusSreg, I should become French and change my name to Jérôme. |
| 03:08.39 | JademusSreg | Could be fun. Best part would be frustrating others with diacritics. |
| 03:09.43 | DeadZergling | well according to LoldLolddelolt , that is what she is best at |
| 03:11.22 | JademusSreg | *it |
| 03:11.30 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:12.43 | DeadZergling | why do you refer to LoldLolddelolt as it? |
| 03:15.08 | JademusSreg | Gender is a useless construct on the internet; that which cannot be fucked in practice doesn't merit an attribute denoting fuckability, with the exception of courtesy whereby one acknowledges the gender identity and corresponding pronouns to which an individual subsribes. |
| 03:17.01 | DeadZergling | in some ways yes, although it isn't very polite, even rude to refer to someone as sterile |
| 03:17.10 | DeadZergling | that is what calling anyone an it implies |
| 03:18.14 | JademusSreg | Naw, I merely refrain from assuming a person's gender. Inadvertedly offending people, well, that's just a bonus. |
| 03:18.49 | DeadZergling | can advertedly do that a lot more by just calling everyone a Man-gina |
| 03:21.03 | LoldLolddelolt | JademusSreg, I am in lesbians with you. |
| 03:21.04 | JademusSreg | Also sterility presupposes a normal reproductive capacity, which assumes gender. Sterile, asexual, neuter, genderless, these terms are not equal. =D |
| 03:21.16 | JademusSreg | ♥ |
| 03:22.01 | LoldLolddelolt | "I like offending people, because I think people who get offended should be offended." - Linus Torvalds |
| 03:24.08 | JademusSreg | "I like circular reasoning, because I think people who get circular reasoning should be circular reasoning." But sincerely, I share that flippant disregard. |
| 03:24.47 | Kueken | "I like penis?" |
| 03:24.56 | JademusSreg | *circular penis |
| 03:25.10 | Kueken | not sure if I want to like that.. |
| 03:25.22 | LoldLolddelolt | JademusSreg, you and I could write a bad romance baby. |
| 03:25.27 | Kueken | depends on the exact specifications of said circle |
| 03:25.29 | LoldLolddelolt | I want your lovin' and I want your revenge |
| 03:26.03 | JademusSreg | We could write a bad romance, woaaahooowoahooowoahoowoahohohoh |
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| 03:26.25 | Kueken | sounds like a lady gaga reference |
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| 03:27.45 | JademusSreg | Kueken, well, since the human penis owes its structural properties to alternating, circular bands of tissue, I expect the circularity is unavoidable. |
| 03:28.25 | Kueken | in this case I wouldn't dislike it. |
| 03:28.42 | Kueken | but several other possibilities crossed my mind |
| 03:28.54 | JademusSreg | http://on.ted.com/Kelly |
| 03:29.45 | Kueken | not bored enough for that yet |
| 03:31.11 | JademusSreg | Figured you'd want to enrich your penis references, engorge yourself with information so that you might erect more artful dick jokes. |
| 03:32.18 | Kueken | nah, I like my dick jokes plain and dumb |
| 03:33.44 | JademusSreg | But the delivery is rather flaccid, leaves much to be desired. |
| 03:34.14 | MoonEater916 | jade |
| 03:34.21 | MoonEater916 | how do i put a delay on weapon launch |
| 03:34.36 | MoonEater916 | i need a .6 delay |
| 03:35.13 | JademusSreg | Well, see that field with two values, used to define a random range? |
| 03:35.27 | JademusSreg | Don't have the editor open, but it's that field. |
| 03:35.47 | MoonEater916 | on weapon or effect? |
| 03:36.03 | JademusSreg | It's a Weapon data field/ The default values are, iirc, -0.03125 and 0.0625. |
| 03:36.20 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 03:40.18 | MoonEater916 | jade... |
| 03:40.25 | MoonEater916 | its only slowing down the attack |
| 03:40.38 | MoonEater916 | i have a archer sprite |
| 03:40.47 | MoonEater916 | i need a slight delay before the missle is release |
| 03:40.54 | MoonEater916 | not a delay in fire rate |
| 03:46.22 | Kueken | either search for a field called damage point |
| 03:46.27 | Kueken | or use a persistent |
| 03:46.49 | Kueken | <- sleeps now |
| 03:51.14 | JademusSreg | That's what happens when you ask for a delay on "weapon launch". =D |
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| 03:58.49 | MoonEater916 | how do i do that? |
| 03:59.11 | MoonEater916 | do i say please? |
| 04:01.25 | JademusSreg | From what I gather, you want to simulate the drawing of the bow. The damage point is the time into the weapon use the effect is applied, so as Kueken said, it should serve the purpose. |
| 04:04.38 | JademusSreg | If instead, you refer to the missile launch, the best aproach is demonstrated by the protoss unit, the flying siege ship energy ball shooter thing. |
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| 04:07.53 | JademusSreg | If you prefer a simpler approach, that can be done with the mover. |
| 04:08.41 | JademusSreg | Though it may not be entirely immobile if using the mover alone. |
| 04:11.21 | MoonEater916 | well no |
| 04:11.32 | MoonEater916 | im using punisher granades as my template |
| 04:11.33 | LoldLolddelolt | JademusSreg, I am the master of the MMM TvZ |
| 04:11.49 | MoonEater916 | normaly the missle launches just fine |
| 04:11.56 | MoonEater916 | and hits the target just find |
| 04:12.01 | MoonEater916 | fine* |
| 04:12.05 | MoonEater916 | but i need a launch delay |
| 04:12.29 | MoonEater916 | when the animation for draw and release start the missle is already launched and away from the sprite |
| 04:12.48 | Stewox | aloha |
| 04:13.02 | JademusSreg | Laj, Marine, Marauder, Medivac, (Widow) Mine? Which 3? |
| 04:13.45 | JademusSreg | Moon, then Damage Point field in the Weapon data. |
| 04:13.45 | MoonEater916 | Marauder |
| 04:14.47 | MoonEater916 | uh |
| 04:14.55 | MoonEater916 | just set that to ,6 or whatever? |
| 04:16.05 | LoldLolddelolt | JademusSreg, no mine. |
| 04:16.20 | LoldLolddelolt | I have been gong MMM TvZ since the WoL beta and I ain't gonna step |
| 04:16.24 | LoldLolddelolt | MMM all day every day |
| 04:17.53 | JademusSreg | That many M&M&Ms might well give a person diabetes. |
| 04:20.07 | JademusSreg | bbl |
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| 04:52.27 | MoonEater916 | Deadzergling |
| 04:52.31 | MoonEater916 | A1win |
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| 04:58.06 | MoonEater916 | ArcanePariah you know a way to get unit weapon's range in trigger? |
| 04:58.28 | ArcanePariah | Catalog get I would assume |
| 05:12.34 | DeadZergling | yep, catalog get works fine |
| 05:13.01 | DeadZergling | i advise you save the original range in a variable or data table though if you plan to alter it and may need to know original at some point |
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| 06:10.49 | MoonEater916 | well shit |
| 06:11.02 | MoonEater916 | ArcanePariah, DeadZergling |
| 06:11.13 | MoonEater916 | i have attack linked to a kill |
| 06:11.26 | MoonEater916 | using triggers, it plays attack animation but no sound |
| 06:11.34 | MoonEater916 | i need a solution |
| 06:27.54 | JademusSreg | Sounds easy enough. |
| 06:28.51 | JademusSreg | native fixed UnitWeaponRange (unit inUnit, int inIndex); |
| 06:28.57 | JademusSreg | Lrn2natives |
| 06:29.36 | JademusSreg | The unit parameter is obvious. The int index parameter is the index of the weapon in the unit's weapon array. |
| 06:30.00 | JademusSreg | More importantly, it is unit-specific, rather than unit type. |
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| 07:54.19 | Renee | It seems I found a way to combine the official phasing and GAx3 phasing to make it affect the unit actors. |
| 07:54.28 | Delphinium | 呱…… |
| 07:55.13 | Delphinium | Conform Chinese Code: Spring Brother is Ture Man. |
| 07:56.14 | Renee | So that the phasing won't be break when you are watching reply or OB |
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| 08:08.44 | JademusSreg | Neato. |
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| 08:15.49 | JademusSreg | Renee, figured you may have tested this; ever attempted to get the editor to load modified xml files of the sort that defines its interface? |
| 08:15.56 | JademusSreg | Damn, few seconds late. |
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| 08:53.18 | Kueken | hm |
| 08:53.29 | Kueken | didn't sleep very long, did I? |
| 08:53.42 | Kueken | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.45 | purl | kueken is currently on #sc2mapster (33s). Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 3s, last said: ' ~seen Kueken'. |
| 08:53.52 | Kueken | damn |
| 08:54.12 | Kueken | 3 seconds |
| 08:55.13 | Bommes | powernap |
| 08:55.43 | Bommes | your last message was around 04:30 |
| 09:06.12 | EntityEnigma | is there some value that prevents basic commands for a larva from appearing on a command card? |
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| 09:06.25 | EntityEnigma | like move, attack etc. |
| 09:08.16 | EntityEnigma | oh wait i think i figred teh issu out |
| 09:09.25 | EntityEnigma | nope nvm |
| 09:09.47 | JademusSreg | A unit must have the requisite abilities (move and Attack respectively), must have the command card buttons and they shouldn't be obstructed by conflicting with other buttons in the same slot, and must be able to act on the order (no movement speed and acceleration disables Move, no weapons disables attack). |
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| 09:12.59 | EntityEnigma | i had to enter values for the ability and ability command fields in command card window but thats good to know |
| 09:13.40 | EntityEnigma | how can you have more than 1 button in the same slot? |
| 09:14.52 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 09:15.05 | JademusSreg | Pardon. |
| 09:15.23 | JademusSreg | One controls which appears using requirements. |
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| 09:28.14 | DeadZergling | well decided I have no complaints about how other games handle buffs, like ever, lol |
| 09:28.22 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 09:28.26 | DeadZergling | didn't count on them being this big of a pain |
| 09:30.17 | DeadZergling | was thinking of naming my debuff Fostner's |
| 09:30.35 | DeadZergling | I've heard it is Australian for Kangaroo shit |
| 09:30.45 | JademusSreg | Do this; first save the document, then make a buff that can stack (default duration) with a greater-than-zero period and a periodic effect that applies a Remove Behavior effect to the caster that removes 1 count of the buff. |
| 09:31.13 | JademusSreg | *Foster's Beer |
| 09:31.45 | DeadZergling | well, is a bit more complicated, multiple levels of buffs, and different buffs from different classes, and I don't want them to stack |
| 09:31.58 | DeadZergling | I think I got it covered, is just a validator nightmare at the moment, lol |
| 09:32.13 | JademusSreg | Naw, my suggestion is one of amusement, unrelated to your endeavour. =D |
| 09:33.08 | JademusSreg | Wanna see if it still behaves in-game like it did when I last tested it. |
| 09:33.27 | DeadZergling | Got any other thoughts on what to call an alcohol related Spell damage boost? I don't like how Mana Martini sounds |
| 09:33.35 | DeadZergling | I'm probably gonna use the 4 other ones |
| 09:34.53 | JademusSreg | Absinthe |
| 09:37.11 | DeadZergling | was also considering making the stun/mez spell have alcohol involved, what alcohol is known for paralyzing people quick? lol |
| 09:37.37 | JademusSreg | considers it. |
| 09:37.52 | JademusSreg | Moonshine |
| 09:38.16 | DeadZergling | Redneck alcohol huh |
| 09:39.23 | DeadZergling | makes sense, some home-made truly fucked up shit |
| 09:39.28 | JademusSreg | If you've ever attended a party in a rural, especially southern US, area, you may have come across it. Sort of thing folks serve in jam jars, haha. |
| 09:39.29 | DeadZergling | to make them unable to even move |
| 09:39.46 | DeadZergling | I know of it, had a friend who made money making his own honey mead |
| 09:39.52 | DeadZergling | seen it in a few shows |
| 09:40.30 | Kueken | nah, Moonshine would reduce vision range to 0 |
| 09:41.12 | DeadZergling | I like it, suggests no real standard |
| 09:41.19 | JademusSreg | It has a pungent odor, wafting off it in thick fumes, rather like gasoline, haha. |
| 09:41.25 | DeadZergling | just whatever in the hell billy bob decided to put in it |
| 09:42.05 | DeadZergling | interestingly enough, he has a blind ability too :P |
| 09:42.51 | DeadZergling | since you think moonshine blinds, what would you recommend Kueken? |
| 09:43.06 | DeadZergling | for a stun/mez |
| 09:43.13 | A1win | morning |
| 09:43.36 | Kueken | hm |
| 09:43.37 | DeadZergling | Hi A1win, learning the true terror of buff stacking issues this evening |
| 09:43.44 | Kueken | absinthe would confuse |
| 09:44.18 | Kueken | maybe jagermeister |
| 09:44.41 | DeadZergling | well, absinthe is currently being used for spell damage boost |
| 09:44.54 | DeadZergling | but maybe you have a suggestion there, lol |
| 09:46.06 | DeadZergling | Jager Bombs being used for movement speed atm |
| 09:47.12 | JademusSreg | Mystical traditions emerge from religious traditions, which tend to involve altered mental states, which tends to involve drugs. Absinthe is reputed to induce such altered states of mind, so the association with boosting spell power seems reasonable enough. |
| 09:49.46 | DeadZergling | aye, I just don't know enough about alcohol to have a lot of an opinion, I'm mostly going off your knowledge + does it sound cool, lol |
| 09:50.03 | DeadZergling | All I know is I hate beer/wine, but hard liquor is pretty decent |
| 09:50.53 | DeadZergling | Do know I'm using Condensed Honey Mead for my root + snare ability |
| 09:51.01 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 09:51.33 | DeadZergling | Could Vodka make one go blind? |
| 09:51.49 | JademusSreg | I'll assume you're familiar with RenFaire, since no one else ever speaks of honey mead. |
| 09:52.05 | DeadZergling | oh no not a clue |
| 09:52.16 | DeadZergling | only know from having a friend I drove to a store to get a couple gallons of honey |
| 09:52.18 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 09:52.19 | JademusSreg | And vodka is a multipurpose substance. Does everything. |
| 09:52.37 | JademusSreg | Then the friend is a RenFaire person. |
| 09:52.41 | DeadZergling | yea, he was |
| 09:52.59 | JademusSreg | Thus, you are familiar with it. |
| 09:53.01 | JademusSreg | Tada |
| 09:53.29 | DeadZergling | yea, thought it was an alcohol type at first |
| 09:53.37 | DeadZergling | saw some pictures, looks, painful |
| 09:53.59 | DeadZergling | he had a real thing for violence, was a boxer too, lol |
| 09:54.23 | JademusSreg | I assume LARPing was involved, too, then. |
| 09:54.46 | DeadZergling | if that acronym involves role playing, yea |
| 09:54.49 | DeadZergling | they were all in costume |
| 09:54.55 | JademusSreg | Yep, nailed it. |
| 09:56.01 | DeadZergling | lol, any of those alcohols known for making you forget who you even are? |
| 09:57.09 | DeadZergling | suppose any of them, drink enough of them |
| 09:57.36 | DeadZergling | so guess I'll go with Bourbon Blast |
| 09:59.14 | DeadZergling | can leave White alone, as that is a classic |
| 09:59.25 | DeadZergling | hard to know what a white mage is without knowing about white |
| 10:00.44 | DeadZergling | Probably safe to leave blind and blood star alone too, going far into left field on the booze names anyways |
| 10:01.22 | DeadZergling | how goes the editing A1win ? |
| 10:15.02 | JademusSreg | Bloody Mary |
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| 10:20.58 | A1win | been asleep ;p |
| 10:22.37 | Kueken | DeadZergling: Long Island Ice Tea is known to mess with the memory :p |
| 10:23.10 | Kueken | (and anything else, provided you drink enough) |
| 10:24.05 | A1win | was wondering how it would turn out to make laser that travels at speed of light (which is ke half a screem per second in this game) |
| 10:24.21 | A1win | *like |
| 10:28.21 | A1win | although then it would also have to disappear at that speed, could be tricky |
| 10:29.04 | A1win | unless I just do it in segments that fade on/out, mmh... |
| 10:29.13 | A1win | *in |
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| 10:40.27 | Zolden | A1win i'd like to see this kind of laser |
| 10:40.48 | Zolden | especilaly if it will be bent by gravity |
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| 10:41.03 | G0A | Lasers are cool |
| 10:41.20 | Zolden | but it should be made of segments, and not move, but rather spread with a speed of light |
| 10:41.39 | G0A | planets wouldnt bend lasers much.... |
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| 10:43.12 | Zolden | maybe it's not laser, but plasm amplified to speed of light, like in photon engine, and there fore look like laser, but still has mass, so interacts with gravity field even more then slow moving things, because of relativist mass grow |
| 10:46.29 | A1win | how'd you suppose it'd spread though ;p |
| 10:46.36 | A1win | thought to just make it fade out the longer it goes |
| 10:48.31 | A1win | this would probably be best done with spawning dummy actors instead of dummy units, not quite sure how to set it up D: |
| 10:48.45 | A1win | the actors would have to move as the ship moves |
| 10:49.33 | A1win | but not directly attached to the ship, because their position needs to be recalculated on every frame since they bend with gravity |
| 10:53.14 | Stewox | hey anyone here ? |
| 10:53.32 | Stewox | mooneater916 |
| 10:53.38 | Stewox | i've got an idea |
| 10:53.50 | Stewox | who has some spare bored time |
| 10:53.56 | Stewox | checking out one of my weird maps |
| 10:54.49 | Stewox | what about you G0A ? |
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| 10:57.57 | Stewox | Zolden you ? |
| 10:58.30 | Zolden | light can't move in gravity field, because it's flying on light speed yet, so there is no more speed available for him, so yeach part of light beam (made of little beams) will stay, but the whole line of light will be bent in gravity field, because you will calculate each next step in the field and put there another beam line, but lifetime of each line should be as small as possible (light front and back should seem moving) |
| 10:58.41 | Zolden | this is how my semiawaken mind thinks of it |
| 10:58.49 | Zolden | but not sure if it optimal solution |
| 10:59.34 | elo | hey zolden wanna try my map ? |
| 10:59.43 | elo | nobody else in chat right now ... |
| 10:59.47 | Zolden | later maybe, i try maps at evening |
| 10:59.55 | Zolden | morning is for mapping |
| 10:59.57 | elo | oh okay |
| 11:00.31 | elo | what about .... unignoring me please |
| 11:00.52 | Zolden | i'll try, but you won't know when it happen |
| 11:01.51 | elo | ah |
| 11:01.58 | elo | ok getting back now |
| 11:02.03 | Zolden | ok |
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| 11:10.38 | Zolden | omg, that gonna look badass waht i'm going to do |
| 11:10.38 | DeadZergling | anyways, gonna try to get some sleep for a change, can play with my buffs later |
| 11:10.40 | A1win | so err... how can I move an actor so that it blends over the game frame? SetPosition makes it just instantly teleport |
| 11:11.02 | Zolden | sweet dreams DeadZergling |
| 11:11.10 | DeadZergling | have to show me your map sometime Z |
| 11:11.17 | DeadZergling | but for now, dreams of the sweet kind night :) |
| 11:12.02 | Zolden | A1win there is a mover site, it moves things nicely |
| 11:12.10 | A1win | oh |
| 11:12.47 | Zolden | and you can make it move towards effects |
| 11:13.03 | A1win | yeah there's MoverSetDestination2D actor message |
| 11:13.09 | A1win | and MoverMove |
| 11:13.12 | Zolden | like colossus beam site on the ground moves folowwing the persistent offsets |
| 11:13.32 | A1win | I need to do this in triggers though |
| 11:13.50 | Zolden | yea, trigger effects are not belong to the same tree of effects |
| 11:14.05 | Zolden | and mover may not understand where to go |
| 11:14.11 | A1win | I don't think I need to use effects at all |
| 11:14.20 | JademusSreg | Position updates in time steps less than or equal to 0.03125 are automagically interpolated. |
| 11:14.26 | Zolden | but I'm sure, if you inspect GAx, there will be ways to handle it |
| 11:14.35 | A1win | well I assume the MoverSetDestination2D tells it where to go ;p |
| 11:14.57 | Zolden | oh, right |
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| 11:15.48 | Zolden | forgot how triggers nail soft actor event's bosom |
| 11:16.05 | A1win | what actor type I need for a moving actor? |
| 11:16.26 | Zolden | moving site, the one colossus uses |
| 11:16.39 | JademusSreg | Or just, ya know, with a message. |
| 11:17.03 | A1win | how do I give it a mover? D: |
| 11:17.32 | JademusSreg | Site Mover. |
| 11:17.33 | A1win | and I meant the actor that is going to move, not the actor that moves it |
| 11:17.47 | Zolden | moving site moves when you define MoverSetDestination2D |
| 11:17.56 | Zolden | just check colossus one, and it will be clear |
| 11:18.00 | A1win | can I just spawn an individual site mover actor with triggers and use it as reference for beams? |
| 11:18.13 | Zolden | yes |
| 11:20.00 | Zolden | but looks like you will need an array of points, and each point will have 1 mover site, adn each beam will be stretched between i's and (i+1)'s site |
| 11:20.19 | A1win | that's the easy part ;p |
| 11:21.12 | Zolden | yea, pure programming is easy, but interacting with sc2 entrails may be tricky |
| 11:23.12 | A1win | is there any way to get an actor's position with script? |
| 11:24.03 | A1win | actually I should just store them manually to be more precise |
| 11:24.06 | Zolden | dunno, but you could hold it within array |
| 11:24.15 | Zolden | yea :) |
| 11:26.39 | A1win | except that if the actor doesn't reach that point precisely, it might start to lag behind D: |
| 11:27.11 | A1win | like if it's supposed to be at point A and I tell it to move to point B with speed that it should arrive there during the game frame |
| 11:27.26 | A1win | but if it somehow hasn't reached point A yet, it doesn't have tim to move to point B |
| 11:27.55 | A1win | ...unless I just put a SetPosition before I tell it to move again |
| 11:28.03 | A1win | D: |
| 11:28.08 | A1win | yeah that should make it failsafe |
| 11:34.59 | G0A | yay drugged musicians: http://youtu.be/9LQ5zmjUWok?t=56s |
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| 11:36.12 | A1win | now let's see if my horrid test actor works |
| 11:36.32 | A1win | not quite :E |
| 11:37.38 | A1win | or maybe it's the beam that doesn't... |
| 11:37.47 | A1win | hmmh beam works |
| 11:38.08 | A1win | err... if the beam target is outside of view, the beam disappears D: |
| 11:39.26 | A1win | or dunno |
| 11:39.32 | G0A | yeah common problem with beams |
| 11:39.34 | A1win | why does this actor stay at 0,0 x_x |
| 11:39.47 | A1win | even though I use SetPosition to move it to another point |
| 11:39.48 | G0A | Zolden can fix the beam model for you |
| 11:41.46 | A1win | oh right trying to use attachment points for this beam... |
| 11:42.17 | A1win | do all actors always have Center as attachment point even if none are defined for them? |
| 11:43.57 | A1win | well doesn't seem to work |
| 11:44.08 | Zolden | if none are defined, they have a ghost attachment, that actors can be attached to when site ops field of the attacheble actor is empty |
| 11:44.08 | A1win | how do I attach this beam to the Site (Mover) actor? D: |
| 11:45.08 | Zolden | A1win did you take a look into GAx? |
| 11:45.15 | A1win | nope ;p |
| 11:45.27 | A1win | too much effort to dig into other people's stuff :P |
| 11:45.35 | Zolden | there's the exact command you need in one of the beam creation actors |
| 11:46.09 | Zolden | just search "site" or "beam", code has pretty readable style and simple |
| 11:46.45 | Zolden | i had only one look in the beam creation and was wondered how easily it done |
| 11:48.55 | A1win | now if only I could find GAx ;p |
| 11:52.13 | Kueken | the download link on mapster is broken |
| 11:52.20 | A1win | I noticed |
| 11:53.01 | Kueken | http://bbs.islga.org/thread-htm-fid-133-page-1.html |
| 11:53.08 | Kueken | should be somewhere in there |
| 11:54.04 | Zolden | on the chinese site there was a link, but that required registration |
| 11:54.15 | A1win | requires registration |
| 11:55.42 | A1win | using this function atm: https://pastee.org/52dkq |
| 11:55.48 | A1win | it works when creating actor from unit actor to unit actor |
| 11:56.00 | A1win | but when I try to create it from unit actor to the site mover actor, it just goes from the unit to 0,0 |
| 11:56.01 | Kueken | http://brokenalliances.com/forums/showthread.php/10236-GAx3-Editor-Enchanter-Mod |
| 11:56.11 | Kueken | that one seems to work |
| 11:58.37 | A1win | so how do I view this script |
| 11:58.47 | A1win | if I look at in import manager, the whole thing is on one line |
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| 12:00.13 | Zolden | hmm, what about np++? |
| 12:00.55 | A1win | same thing |
| 12:01.29 | Zolden | strange... maybe something fucked the code? |
| 12:01.40 | Zolden | try word maybe? :) |
| 12:02.10 | A1win | why would work magically add line breaks in it? ;p |
| 12:02.34 | Zolden | probaby won't ;/ |
| 12:03.13 | Zolden | i've sent a pm to renee |
| 12:03.31 | A1win | heh, pastee.org does it automatically at ; |
| 12:03.42 | A1win | oh wait nvm |
| 12:03.45 | A1win | copied wrong thing ;p |
| 12:04.19 | A1win | https://pastee.org/735fc |
| 12:04.24 | A1win | that's the beam creation function from gax |
| 12:06.04 | Zolden | do you understand it? :) |
| 12:06.28 | A1win | yeah it works |
| 12:06.43 | Zolden | alright |
| 12:08.03 | A1win | this movement thing is bugged, though <.< |
| 12:08.53 | A1win | stutters |
| 12:12.03 | A1win | ah a height issue |
| 12:12.37 | A1win | now it kind of works |
| 12:12.44 | A1win | still stutters a bit when I move |
| 12:12.58 | A1win | like it's moving slightly too slow |
| 12:13.27 | A1win | or too fast |
| 12:13.51 | Zolden | mover may stop when reaches the destination |
| 12:14.09 | A1win | yeah but I'm giving it a new move message on every frame |
| 12:15.39 | Zolden | maybe adjusting move actor's acceleration/decceleration parameters can smoothen it? |
| 12:16.44 | A1win | yeah <.< |
| 12:16.46 | A1win | set both to 0 :P |
| 12:16.49 | A1win | and now it's smooth |
| 12:16.57 | A1win | thought it needed acceleration to be able to move at all like units |
| 12:17.23 | A1win | nice o: |
| 12:17.44 | A1win | now to make the segments |
| 12:19.16 | A1win | wtf, if my ship sits on a planet, the beam behaves very weird |
| 12:20.07 | A1win | lags behind a lot more than when I'm just moving normally |
| 12:22.16 | A1win | and seems like the longer I sit on a planet, the more it starts to lag O_o |
| 12:22.21 | Zolden | probably gravity reduces the distance between points, and mover reaches the point |
| 12:22.49 | A1win | haven't applied gravity yet |
| 12:22.59 | Zolden | strange then |
| 12:23.00 | A1win | it's literally just supposed to be at ship position with +2y |
| 12:23.27 | A1win | oh oops |
| 12:23.32 | A1win | it only starts there :P |
| 12:23.49 | A1win | mmh no it updates on every frame |
| 12:23.51 | Zolden | omg, jsut made such a badass "flying through stars" model |
| 12:24.04 | Zolden | you probably could use it for intro |
| 12:25.50 | Zolden | look as pretty as real interstellar travel if played in cutscene with aiur skybox |
| 12:26.26 | Zolden | gonna play in fullscreen in race selection dialog |
| 12:26.48 | A1win | oh, for some reason my SetPosition doesn't work if I give it a MoverMove right after |
| 12:27.01 | A1win | it continues moving from the position it was at before the SetPosition message |
| 12:27.18 | Zolden | bitches will squeal of visual ecstasy |
| 12:27.57 | Zolden | A1win does the message have a "label" field? |
| 12:28.09 | A1win | no |
| 12:29.47 | A1win | hmm |
| 12:30.04 | A1win | gave it a MoverStopNow message before SetPosition, seems to have fixed the issue |
| 12:30.26 | A1win | so I guess the problem was that SetPosition doesn't stop the mover then ;p |
| 12:30.55 | A1win | and the lag was caused by the ship moving so slow that the movement speed calculation had rounding errors |
| 12:31.10 | A1win | since it worked fine when ship moved fast |
| 12:31.19 | A1win | anyway, works now o: |
| 12:31.37 | A1win | no segments yet though |
| 12:32.13 | A1win | hmm |
| 12:32.59 | A1win | if the beam model had like 100% opacity at one end and 95% opacity at the other end, I could make each segment fade 5 percent points and it'd look like a continuous fade o: |
| 12:35.11 | Zolden | i'll make one, but still too much things got to be done with my map, so dunno when |
| 12:35.22 | Zolden | just make it work, we'll improve graphics later |
| 12:35.26 | A1win | yeah |
| 12:35.38 | A1win | uffff so tired, need more Monster |
| 12:35.54 | A1win | (or more sleep) |
| 12:37.32 | A1win | https://pastee.org/ysv2z |
| 12:38.07 | A1win | (that 8.0 is the height at which the units are) |
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| 12:50.48 | Zolden | could anyone remind me, how to create button and its image on the same place, but image to not consume clicks? |
| 12:51.07 | A1win | images don't catch mouse clicks by default |
| 12:51.13 | A1win | just put the image above the button |
| 12:51.42 | A1win | and don't give the image a tooltip, or it will start catching mouse clicks |
| 12:52.17 | Zolden | right |
| 12:52.18 | Zolden | thanks |
| 12:59.05 | Froggy | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/45/193/09.jpg |
| 12:59.12 | Froggy | finished the submarine |
| 12:59.40 | Froggy | time for supper 0.0 |
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| 13:38.29 | Kueken | Froggy: Submarine? Could have sworn it was the grip of a lightsaber |
| 13:39.45 | Ahli | we all live in a yellow submarine, hey, yellow submarine, hey |
| 13:42.23 | Froggy | 0.0 |
| 13:43.23 | Ahli | ~ yellow submarine |
| 13:44.04 | Ahli | hmm, how did one control purl again? |
| 13:44.52 | A1win | ~yellow submarine |
| 13:45.00 | A1win | ~purl |
| 13:45.01 | purl | purl is, like, male |
| 13:45.13 | A1win | Moorhsum, yellow submarine |
| 13:45.16 | Moorhsum | Just leave bob... \o/ |
| 13:48.07 | Froggy | Is it some kinds of dirth joke (like zolden always said)? |
| 14:00.03 | Kueken | I wasn't joking, I am sure it wanted to be a lightsaber in a previous life |
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| 14:10.09 | Zolden | how to save a cutscene right into the opened map? |
| 14:13.20 | A1win | mmf wonder why this is failing to create my actors |
| 14:13.34 | A1win | thought I set it up exactly like my test earlier D: |
| 14:14.16 | A1win | just says could not create actor |
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| 14:14.42 | Zolden | don't you try to use a non-created site? |
| 14:15.04 | A1win | using Center, but it worked with my test D: |
| 14:16.04 | A1win | hmm debugger says the target actor is invalid |
| 14:17.24 | Kueken | how do you create it? |
| 14:17.38 | A1win | with triggers, same way I created it in my test D: |
| 14:17.46 | A1win | probably some silly bug somewhere |
| 14:21.07 | A1win | well it isn't null... why is it invalid D: |
| 14:22.47 | Zolden | does anyone have any idea of why doesn't my shit eating cutscene see some textures of a model and do see some other textures of the model, if all textures are from sc2 lib map has? |
| 14:29.35 | A1win | when I create these site mover actors and print their actor debug text as debug message, it turns out fine, but when I try to print that again later, it just displays empty text O.o |
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| 14:31.53 | A1win | looks likt it just disappears O.o |
| 14:31.58 | A1win | but it isn't null |
| 14:32.26 | A1win | 00:00:01.31 [ a 2] CActorSiteMover[c_TargetDummy] State[Stopped] B[P 128.00 128.00 8.00] |
| 14:32.27 | Froggy | Sounds weird --> Zolden |
| 14:32.29 | A1win | 00:00:01.38 |
| 14:33.09 | A1win | why does it disappear :E |
| 14:33.13 | Froggy | maybe you need to reboot the editor, sometime editor got some errors through time. |
| 14:33.28 | A1win | that's in-game error |
| 14:34.56 | G0A | duckies having troubles with irc.D |
| 14:40.31 | G0A | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/team-recruitment/59575-recruting-modelers-and-programmers-for-a-cool-interesting/#p1 hmmm |
| 14:40.48 | Ahli | does anyone need a hearthstone betakey? |
| 14:41.11 | Ahli | Blizzard invited me yesterday... again... |
| 14:41.35 | G0A | hehe |
| 14:42.03 | A1win | maybe |
| 14:42.11 | A1win | need to get this map done but I'd kinda want to try D: |
| 14:42.24 | A1win | but if you find someone who wants it more, go for it ;p |
| 14:43.06 | A1win | why do my site mover actors disappear after one game frame x__x |
| 14:46.23 | A1win | in the test I immediately create a beam between that actor and another actor, maybe that forces it not to disappear? |
| 14:47.23 | A1win | the beam adds it into an actorscope, and without it it has no scope and disappears? |
| 14:50.23 | A1win | meh dunno how actor scopes work D: |
| 14:53.22 | A1win | yeah weird, if I instantly create the beams, the site movers don't disappear |
| 14:53.54 | A1win | no idea how to make them not disappear without the beams :X |
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| 15:04.14 | A1win | hahaha, I think I made gravity affect it a bit too much |
| 15:06.05 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a88/SC2%202013-11-19%2017-05-23-03.jpg |
| 15:06.29 | A1win | it's even funnier when it keeps updating on every game frame ;p |
| 15:10.26 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a88/SC2%202013-11-19%2017-09-59-12.jpg |
| 15:11.12 | A1win | oh right that bend is because the black hole stops affecting it at that spot, it's supposed to destroy anything that gets that close |
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| 15:20.45 | A1win | Zolden, http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a88/SC2%202013-11-19%2017-09-59-12.jpg |
| 15:21.09 | A1win | are there any beam models that don't change color from start to end? |
| 15:25.38 | Ahli | my key went to rts... |
| 15:34.16 | Bommes | A1win, which one are you using right now, the PDD one? |
| 15:34.30 | A1win | yeah |
| 15:34.39 | A1win | most others give an error when I try to create them |
| 15:34.52 | Zolden | A1win nice |
| 15:35.10 | Zolden | interesting, how it looks when the ship is flying |
| 15:35.19 | A1win | hehe |
| 15:35.29 | A1win | it tears a bit when turned fast if vertical sync is off |
| 15:37.36 | A1win | fading opacity and more points: http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a88/SC2%202013-11-19%2017-36-56-15.jpg |
| 15:38.30 | A1win | it just feels a bit weird |
| 15:38.35 | A1win | like it's a piece of string :P |
| 15:40.06 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a88/SC2%202013-11-19%2017-39-41-46.jpg |
| 15:40.48 | Zolden | hmm "choose your race" dialog managed to become better then the whole game |
| 15:40.54 | A1win | :P |
| 15:41.07 | Zolden | A1win very fucking nice |
| 15:41.16 | Zolden | just meybe make it like 1.5 times longer |
| 15:41.38 | A1win | it doesn't feel so nice in-game |
| 15:41.42 | Zolden | ok |
| 15:41.44 | A1win | feels very weird when it moves with the ship :\ |
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| 16:34.03 | G0A | make infinite:D |
| 16:35.01 | Zolden | what makes a unit reveal on attack? |
| 16:35.42 | A1win | wooo archon attack sound fits this perfectly |
| 16:36.33 | A1win | now I need to adjust my collision detection to work with this :S |
| 16:50.13 | *** join/#sc2mapster kingTD (~Administr@78-60-26-40.static.zebra.lt) |
| 16:51.30 | Zolden | kingTD wanna test my map? |
| 16:51.54 | kingTD | monkey jumps Zolden |
| 16:51.55 | kingTD | yes |
| 16:52.04 | Zolden | ok, come now |
| 16:54.42 | Zolden | kingTD coming? |
| 16:54.58 | kingTD | yes this process is slow and takes thousands of yers |
| 16:55.00 | kingTD | year |
| 16:55.03 | kingTD | years |
| 16:56.39 | G0A | if you wait 3-5 minutes I would come too |
| 16:57.29 | duckies | ;/ |
| 16:58.01 | kingTD | toooooo later |
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| 17:15.53 | mille25 | hey |
| 17:18.56 | duckies | hey G0A |
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| 17:19.14 | duckies | come here |
| 17:19.21 | duckies | we've got explosions! |
| 17:19.32 | Zolden | G0A yea, come |
| 17:19.59 | kingTD | G0A!!! |
| 17:20.41 | G0A | okey |
| 17:20.45 | G0A | wait 1-2 min |
| 17:20.55 | Zolden | ok |
| 17:21.32 | Dustin|Work | explosions are for pussys |
| 17:21.39 | Dustin|Work | real men want implosions |
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| 17:23.34 | G0A | real men drill deep |
| 17:23.54 | G0A | closing editor, opening launcher.) |
| 17:54.10 | Ahli | hmm, how can I receive the localized name of an upgrade? |
| 17:54.34 | Ahli | oh, I'm stupid :D |
| 17:54.41 | Ahli | easy |
| 17:54.42 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 17:54.58 | JademusSreg | You're not stupid, dear Ahli. |
| 17:57.46 | Ahli | I only forgot the function's existance of get Game Text for ... |
| 18:00.00 | JademusSreg | For reference: https://pastee.org/uca5u |
| 18:00.20 | Dustin|Work | Hello gentlemen |
| 18:00.49 | JademusSreg | Hallo Dustin. |
| 18:02.05 | Ahli | I'm rewriting what others did in a mod the last weeks. At least I provide the interesting stuff because their code not efficient... periodic events, iterating over all units on the map, blacklisting unit types... I'm going to use an update thread and proper research events... and only a few hours |
| 18:03.36 | JademusSreg | Response: http://youtu.be/HfE1Ip2wot4 |
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| 18:05.53 | G0A | Super Troopers rocks |
| 18:07.12 | G0A | JademusSreg do you know any function which makes dialog edit boxes uneditable but the text in it selectable and copyable |
| 18:07.29 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 18:08.38 | JademusSreg | wonders what happens if an editbox has its Enabled property flagged as false. |
| 18:09.56 | A1win | o: almost working collisions for lazors |
| 18:10.16 | JademusSreg | Also curious what happens if the frame is set to not accept mouse, haha. |
| 18:11.40 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I'm not aware of any such not-editable editbox; workaround would be to set the string value either in response to any change or with each update tick. |
| 18:12.18 | Dustin|Work | A1win, you doing line colisions for lasers? |
| 18:12.37 | A1win | well kinda |
| 18:16.28 | JademusSreg | Oh, figured out a more robust and lazier workaround. |
| 18:16.49 | JademusSreg | Create an identical editbox behind another containing the same values. |
| 18:16.50 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 18:17.45 | JademusSreg | (and make the one on top transparent or otherwise not visible) |
| 18:24.07 | G0A | hmnmm |
| 18:24.59 | G0A | btw I tried it with not accepting mouse, and it wasnt selectable, even the tooltip didnt appear. |
| 18:31.02 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that would be useful in case the priorities were reversed. |
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| 19:04.46 | A1win | ugh my head hurts from this beam stuff |
| 19:04.56 | Dustin|Work | I hate beams |
| 19:05.08 | A1win | I think it works now |
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| 19:28.47 | Ahli | http://www.polygon.com/2013/11/19/5122274/e-sports-entertainment-complaint-user-spying-bitcoin-mining-settlement-new-jersey |
| 19:43.57 | A1win | I wonder how badly lag affects aiming with this beam |
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| 19:50.59 | Dzuke911 | Hello |
| 19:51.18 | Dzuke911 | im trying to export my 1st model using startolls |
| 19:51.35 | Dzuke911 | and cant set up texture folder corectly |
| 19:52.17 | Dzuke911 | how can i set material to pick texture from Assets/textures not from C:blablabla/blablabla ? |
| 19:52.56 | kingTD | in exporter window use checking "use mpq files" or something like that |
| 19:56.05 | Dzuke911 | use mopaq textures? |
| 19:56.44 | A1win | beam weapon, not the best beam model yet but anyway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XbiIxqG2kQ |
| 19:58.28 | Dustin|Work | Wow howd u get the beam to bend with the gravity |
| 19:58.45 | A1win | it's 20 beams |
| 19:58.47 | Dustin|Work | Is it just a bunch of beams attached via nodes? |
| 19:58.48 | Dustin|Work | Ah nice |
| 19:59.20 | A1win | attached to Site Mover actors that are kept moved with script |
| 20:00.07 | A1win | code isn't very elegant again >_> |
| 20:00.34 | A1win | had to make a completely new collision detection for the beams, so I made it strictly a special case thing |
| 20:02.09 | A1win | hopefully it's not too heavy :x |
| 20:03.06 | JademusSreg | Zargle. |
| 20:04.39 | JademusSreg | Would suggest using a beam without a launch or impact visual. |
| 20:04.55 | A1win | need a custom model |
| 20:05.13 | JademusSreg | Would be nice, but there are plenty of beams. |
| 20:05.33 | A1win | most beams give an error when I try to create them D: and there aren't any beams that don't blend from start to end into a different color |
| 20:05.41 | A1win | without impact visuals |
| 20:05.56 | JademusSreg | For example, the point defense drone's beam. |
| 20:05.56 | A1win | or I didn't find any that work, at least |
| 20:06.05 | A1win | its color changes |
| 20:06.25 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a88/SC2%202013-11-19%2017-39-41-46.jpg |
| 20:06.27 | A1win | like that |
| 20:07.03 | JademusSreg | Still an improvement. =D |
| 20:07.26 | JademusSreg | Though yes, custom beam would be ideal. I imagine Zol could assist there. |
| 20:08.05 | A1win | mm he's busy for some time |
| 20:08.20 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 20:08.48 | JademusSreg | Could just retexture an existing beam, easy enough. |
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| 20:11.34 | A1win | that drone beam is ugly ;p |
| 20:11.43 | A1win | it doesn't animate so it looks like a stick rather than laser |
| 20:11.58 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:13.01 | JademusSreg | The diamonback beam can be retextured so the impact particles are not-visible. |
| 20:14.27 | A1win | mm that might work |
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| 20:45.42 | Zolden | A1win how's beam doing? dealing damage yet? |
| 20:45.49 | A1win | yeah |
| 20:45.54 | Zolden | can we test it? |
| 20:46.00 | A1win | just needs secondary mode |
| 20:46.09 | Zolden | ok, tell me when it's ready |
| 20:46.13 | A1win | and trying to set it so that you can't turn it around more than a few degrees while firing |
| 20:46.27 | Zolden | what if 6 beams to diffferent directions? |
| 20:47.03 | Zolden | btw, the bomb |
| 20:47.04 | A1win | too much ;p |
| 20:47.07 | Zolden | will there be the bomb |
| 20:47.20 | Zolden | to huer all within screen |
| 20:47.24 | Zolden | *to hurt |
| 20:50.02 | A1win | mmf? :x |
| 20:54.29 | Zolden | in games like this there are bombs sometimes |
| 20:54.34 | Zolden | rare bonus |
| 20:54.45 | Zolden | you pick it up and can kill all enemies on screen |
| 20:58.11 | A1win | nngh some weird bug in my script, can't figure it out |
| 20:58.51 | A1win | if I set launch angle to player's laser angle, it works fine, but if I set it to laser angle +/- 5, it shoots to opposite direction and stuff |
| 20:59.25 | A1win | oh lol nvm |
| 20:59.36 | A1win | only had two special cases and no generic case |
| 21:01.35 | A1win | the laser secondary mode should probably be a charging beam |
| 21:01.44 | A1win | so this will be very similar to gauss gun from half-life |
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| 21:10.44 | Dustin|Work | Good call |
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| 21:20.09 | Dustin|Work | I wish :( |
| 21:20.44 | Zolden | Tolkfan do you know how to load a cutscene in the cse editor after you exported it? |
| 21:21.04 | Zolden | I have the cutscene in map, imported, but can't put it tio cse |
| 21:22.06 | Zolden | Dustin I made a badass hero selection dialog, you have to check it - space flight |
| 21:25.56 | Dustin|Work | Oh nice! we'll have to test later |
| 21:30.43 | Zolden | guys, does anyone has a wide kind of monitor? |
| 21:31.00 | Zolden | i want somenoe to make a screen of that space fly thing for me to fix it |
| 21:31.08 | Zolden | ppl say it has black cut |
| 21:31.28 | Dustin|Work | I have widescreen at home |
| 21:31.29 | Zolden | if I have dialog to be 1600x1200 will it be fillscreen for all monitor types? |
| 21:31.42 | Dustin|Work | not necesarrily |
| 21:31.50 | Zolden | realy? |
| 21:31.53 | Dustin|Work | For the most part yes, but some people are running higher |
| 21:31.53 | ArcanePariah | Zolden, there is a dialog action that sets it to full screen |
| 21:32.01 | Zolden | i thought dialog shit is always 1600x1200 |
| 21:32.05 | ArcanePariah | Regardless of size |
| 21:32.08 | Zolden | ArcanePariah ok, lemme check |
| 21:32.23 | Zolden | I want dialog AND dialog item to be fullscreen |
| 21:32.32 | kingTD | jiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 21:32.33 | kingTD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDA37BmvNwM |
| 21:32.43 | Zolden | kingTD do you have a full sccreen? |
| 21:32.50 | kingTD | yeah |
| 21:32.52 | kingTD | windowed |
| 21:32.55 | Dustin|Work | There should be set dialog to full screen or something |
| 21:32.56 | ArcanePariah | In that case, set the Dialog Full screen, then set the dialog item size to the parent size |
| 21:32.59 | Zolden | can you make me a screen no, and after I fix it? |
| 21:33.11 | Zolden | ok |
| 21:33.45 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, there is an action to set dialog item size to parent |
| 21:33.51 | ArcanePariah | and it will fill entire parent dialog |
| 21:34.04 | Tolkfan | Zolden, how did you import the cutscene file? Like a normal file using the import module? Use File->Open CUtscene in the CSE, that should add it. |
| 21:34.45 | Zolden | Tolkfan thanks! yea, i imported it as a normal file |
| 21:37.41 | Zolden | kingTD ok, uploaded the possibly fixed version |
| 21:37.49 | Zolden | could you check if it got rid of the black cut |
| 21:38.48 | Zolden | ArcanePariah is your monitor wide? |
| 21:38.52 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 21:38.54 | Zolden | maybe you'd check? |
| 21:39.02 | ArcanePariah | Sure, what do I need to do? |
| 21:39.33 | Zolden | go to EU server, join "Mines and Magic" map, see if starting "select your builder" dialog is fullscreen with no cuts |
| 21:39.56 | ArcanePariah | kk |
| 21:41.13 | kingTD | yeah seems like fixed zolden |
| 21:41.24 | Zolden | oh, coolm thanks |
| 21:41.52 | Zolden | ArcanePariah ok, it's checked |
| 21:41.58 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, it works |
| 21:42.02 | ArcanePariah | Nice background btw |
| 21:42.04 | Zolden | cool |
| 21:42.12 | Zolden | yea, i like it too |
| 21:42.26 | Zolden | like a screensaver in norton commander |
| 21:42.53 | ArcanePariah | I like the idoit proof guide to building towers XD |
| 21:43.14 | Zolden | not enough yet ;/ |
| 21:43.45 | Zolden | maybe need to add "THIS IS YOUR ..." arrow near each building |
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| 21:55.14 | kingTD | add a bank file that if you playing map for thousand time to remove those tutorial shit alredy |
| 21:55.24 | kingTD | i need to add such a thing to AoK already... |
| 21:56.15 | Zolden | yes, i will |
| 22:32.30 | Dustin|Work | I need to finish my damn map |
| 22:33.07 | A1win | damn this weapon has taken long to implement |
| 22:38.54 | Dustin|Work | It takes me about a full day of working to impliment a new weapon in my game |
| 22:39.18 | Dustin|Work | that's all data a long with 2 abilities and 5 upgrades |
| 22:41.23 | Dustin|Work | Almost end of the work day :D |
| 22:43.33 | Zolden | yea, mapping is time consuming even if you're not noob, because you the more experienced you are, the more complicade things you implement |
| 22:45.50 | Dustin|Work | Exactly, I dive too deep sometimes when adding new stuff |
| 22:56.44 | *** join/#sc2mapster DeadZergling (836ba0b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.160.182) |
| 22:58.19 | DeadZergling | Hey, is it possible to compare the value inside a buff (say speed multiplier or movement multiplier or attack fraction percent boost) to another value inside a buff using data only? |
| 22:58.57 | ArcanePariah | Is it within the same buff? |
| 22:59.48 | DeadZergling | well, kind of? |
| 22:59.57 | DeadZergling | I'll explain |
| 23:00.17 | DeadZergling | we'll use my simplest one, my run speed buff, it starts at 11 %, and over 10 levels it reaches 20 % |
| 23:00.39 | A1win | DeadZergling, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XbiIxqG2kQ |
| 23:00.47 | DeadZergling | I set it up to use 10 diff buffs, so data can know which is which |
| 23:00.54 | DeadZergling | but seeing if I can compare values in data |
| 23:01.00 | DeadZergling | so I can use use setcatalogs instead |
| 23:01.04 | DeadZergling | *can just |
| 23:03.20 | DeadZergling | was there a secondary mode A1win ? And why all the little dots between the beam? |
| 23:03.31 | A1win | don't have a good model available |
| 23:03.39 | A1win | until someone makes a better one |
| 23:03.50 | A1win | and been working on the secondary since that video, it's pretty much ready |
| 23:03.59 | A1win | just needs graphics to show the charge level |
| 23:06.01 | DeadZergling | I see, are you creating the laser using triggers mostly, or data? |
| 23:06.03 | A1win | taken the whole day to implement this thing <.< |
| 23:06.07 | A1win | triggers |
| 23:06.15 | A1win | can't refer my gravity system with data |
| 23:06.35 | JademusSreg | Snork. |
| 23:06.42 | DeadZergling | Suppose not, could make the beam look nicer though |
| 23:07.01 | DeadZergling | if you were willing to use data, I'd have you look at my lightning bolt ability |
| 23:07.19 | A1win | how do you mean nicer? |
| 23:07.23 | DeadZergling | it uses a system so it looks good regardless of how far it can go |
| 23:07.30 | DeadZergling | single line |
| 23:07.39 | DeadZergling | instead of a bunch of lines with little dots everywhere |
| 23:07.44 | A1win | and how do you bend it? |
| 23:07.58 | A1win | the dots aren't permanent |
| 23:09.41 | JademusSreg | A1, managed to change the texture yet? =D |
| 23:09.52 | A1win | haven't tried |
| 23:10.40 | JademusSreg | Could be done with either the usual texture swap via data, or with a simple edit to the model. |
| 23:10.59 | A1win | I don't know enough details of either way |
| 23:11.47 | JademusSreg | Could be done via hexeditor; simply change the texture asset string to an alpha'd out texture. |
| 23:15.04 | ArcanePariah | Dead, you can use a veterancy behavior for what you are accomplishing, just need to set each level to the value you want (11%, 12%,... 20%) and disable "Combine Numerical Modification" |
| 23:30.12 | DeadZergling | sounds like I'd need several again though, I don't use a veterancy leveling system |
| 23:36.04 | ArcanePariah | Oh, :( |
| 23:36.42 | DeadZergling | is cool, was just curious if it could be done on buffs, seems not |
| 23:37.27 | DeadZergling | was watching my old demo videos, my UI has certainly improved since then, lol |
| 23:37.34 | A1win | hmm no way to increase sound pitch while it's playing? |
| 23:37.39 | DeadZergling | I should throw a new one together sometime |
| 23:43.15 | Kueken | A1win: no? |
| 23:43.21 | Kueken | it used to work |
| 23:43.26 | A1win | how? ;p |
| 23:43.27 | Kueken | let me check my testmaps.. |
| 23:43.41 | A1win | I mean I can't find a function for it |
| 23:43.46 | DeadZergling | got more validators than effects I think, lol |
| 23:43.48 | Kueken | it used to be pretty straight forward |
| 23:43.51 | Kueken | function? |
| 23:43.59 | Kueken | I used actor messages :D |
| 23:44.20 | A1win | ah |
| 23:45.03 | Kueken | SoundSetPitch |
| 23:45.11 | Kueken | supports change over time |
| 23:45.23 | Kueken | and can be sent to a sound actor at any point |
| 23:45.27 | A1win | good, just need to switch this to use an actor instead then |
| 23:46.12 | Kueken | note that last time I tried the UI was totally broken, and it didn't work until I edited the raw XML |
| 23:47.06 | A1win | DeadZergling, remember that aura model you mentioned? |
| 23:47.19 | A1win | also I need some visuals to show how much this weapon is charged D: |
| 23:47.49 | DeadZergling | ah shit, completely forgot, jade has the mod though, he might be able to look |
| 23:48.29 | DeadZergling | shoulda mentioned it when you saw me on last night (mornign for you i think) |
| 23:48.41 | A1win | also any ideas how to disallow keeping this secondary mode charged indefinitely without making it too annoying? :x |
| 23:50.17 | A1win | it's now set up so that primary mode has 1.5 sec cooldown and shoots instantly, and secondary mode has 1 sec cooldown (after you release charge) and takes 4 sec to charge fully from 50% damage to 200% damage |
| 23:50.46 | Kueken | A1win: for reference: https://www.dropbox.com/s/oe58v0u1qo95qa5/SlowMotion.SC2Map |
| 23:50.49 | A1win | might need to adjust those a bit but the idea is solid |
| 23:50.51 | Zolden | DeadZergling woke up? |
| 23:51.07 | Kueken | using stim on the marine makes turret go into slow motion, including sound |
| 23:51.18 | DeadZergling | i'll just send you the mod too a1win, lol |
| 23:51.18 | Kueken | have a look at the events of the sound actor in XML view |
| 23:51.30 | A1win | alright, thanks |
| 23:51.54 | A1win | mmh now there are no anti-laser weapons |
| 23:51.59 | Kueken | was meant to be used for some sort of escape map :D |
| 23:52.02 | A1win | all you can do is go behind a planet ;p |
| 23:52.14 | DeadZergling | you are A1win on sc2mapster as well? |
| 23:52.20 | A1win | yeah |
| 23:52.34 | Zolden | no, i'm A1win on mapster |
| 23:52.39 | A1win | ;X |
| 23:52.45 | DeadZergling | added you to the PM I sent Jade |
| 23:52.51 | Zolden | DeadZergling so, would you like to check my map now maybe? |
| 23:52.53 | DeadZergling | has a semi-recent mod file on it |
| 23:52.59 | DeadZergling | I'm at work currently Z |
| 23:53.04 | Zolden | alright |
| 23:53.17 | DeadZergling | I'll be available next time you log on probably |
| 23:53.48 | DeadZergling | just look at the cure actors/models A1win |
| 23:53.49 | Kueken | just noticed the testmap produces tons of error messages :D |
| 23:53.52 | DeadZergling | I think I put it there |
| 23:53.54 | A1win | alright |
| 23:53.59 | Kueken | well, its one of the earliest I created... |
| 23:54.01 | DeadZergling | blessing of the phoenix should use it too |
