| 00:14.49 | Brainshack | even having only the gravity of a normal star, it being compressed in a tight area, it will suck the hell out of you if you get near it |
| 00:19.13 | A1win | ugh, gravity still not resetting properly between rounds, no idea what's wrong D: |
| 00:29.50 | A1win | ooh I might just be imagining things because there are now gaps in the planet "grid" |
| 00:30.02 | A1win | so gravity feels stronger in some areas because there's no gravity to the other direction |
| 00:30.51 | A1win | ugh, just feels like it hasn't been *this* strong before D: |
| 00:31.12 | A1win | bah this can't be right |
| 00:31.17 | A1win | like it's doubling it every time or something |
| 00:41.16 | A1win | lol -.- I was only resetting the x component of the gravity grid |
| 00:41.31 | A1win | so y directional gravity got stronger and stronger every reset |
| 00:43.20 | A1win | yay, now it works |
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| 01:09.15 | MoonEa917 | hm... |
| 01:22.02 | Brainshack | hey, does anybody know if this tutorial still exists somewhere? http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/431-data-complete-hero-tutorial/ |
| 01:22.07 | Brainshack | links seem to be ded inside |
| 01:22.08 | Brainshack | :)( |
| 01:42.46 | Stewox | purl hello |
| 01:42.46 | purl | que tal |
| 01:53.11 | DeadZergling | i'd just look up onetwo complete hero on youtube, Brainshack |
| 02:01.47 | JademusSreg | (If one wanted a physically accurate blackhole, it would need to emit light and shrink at a rate inversely proportional to its mass, which is to say its surface area. =D ) |
| 02:02.11 | JademusSreg | (Or rather, the surface area of the event horizon.) |
| 02:04.52 | A1win | I can see how that can be a useful gameplay element |
| 02:08.44 | A1win | detailed death messages http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a84/SC2%202013-11-17%2004-07-22-72.jpg |
| 02:09.44 | A1win | though if a player kills himself, it gives credit to the player who tagged him earlier but shows the weapon the player died to |
| 02:10.06 | A1win | not sure if I need that much memory for it D: |
| 02:13.01 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a84/SC2%202013-11-17%2004-12-09-40.jpg |
| 02:23.04 | DeadZergling | last player to do damage shuold get kill\ |
| 02:23.12 | DeadZergling | self kill should = -1 |
| 02:24.04 | A1win | mmh not sure about self kill |
| 02:24.12 | A1win | why'd you want to do that? you lose your levels |
| 02:24.34 | A1win | I mean |
| 02:24.48 | A1win | if player B damages player A and then player A dies to damage from player B, player B gets the kill |
| 02:24.53 | A1win | err |
| 02:24.56 | A1win | if player B damages player A and then player A dies to damage from player A, player B gets the kill |
| 02:25.01 | A1win | that's what I meant ;p |
| 02:26.10 | A1win | i.e. damaging self doesn't change the kill tag |
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| 02:59.13 | miushock | hi everyone |
| 02:59.26 | miushock | anyone available to take some questions? |
| 02:59.58 | miushock | well i'll just leave my question here, in case someone's back from afk |
| 03:00.49 | miushock | i'm trying to make an ability called 'disengage', which moves the unit backward by a fixed distance upon using |
| 03:01.42 | miushock | instead of making it looks like a blink effect, i'd like to have the unit move along a visible path, preferably in parabola shape |
| 03:02.04 | miushock | any idea on how to make it? i'm wondering if i can apply a mover to a unit |
| 03:06.29 | A1win | not familiar with movers :[ but I think it I've heard people saying it can be done like that |
| 03:07.05 | A1win | hmm now the cause of death is colored based on who "owns" it |
| 03:07.07 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a84/SC2%202013-11-17%2005-04-04-68.jpg |
| 03:07.15 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a84/SC2%202013-11-17%2005-04-16-86.jpg |
| 03:07.27 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a84/SC2%202013-11-17%2005-04-31-61.jpg (suicide by blop) |
| 03:07.32 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a84/SC2%202013-11-17%2005-04-37-81.jpg |
| 03:10.47 | A1win | I should sleep |
| 03:20.47 | ArcanePariah | miushock: Do you want the unit simply to move directly backwards without turning? |
| 03:21.20 | miushock | yeah... it's a non targeted spell |
| 03:21.34 | miushock | just press the button and the unit move backwards by certain distance |
| 03:21.58 | miushock | like you try to jump backwards in real life |
| 03:23.49 | A1win | presumably with slighly more skill |
| 03:24.11 | ArcanePariah | Ok, what you will want is an Effect - Instant ability. The ability will create a persistent, and have an intial offset set to the distance you want (So, the offset should have X = 0, y = -distance (the distance you want, as a negative), and z = 0). The persistent should have an initial effect that is a launch missile effect |
| 03:24.36 | ArcanePariah | The Launch missile effect should have ammo set to none and death set to none |
| 03:25.20 | miushock | i'm listening |
| 03:25.36 | ArcanePariah | The launch location should be the caster unit, and the impact location should be the source point |
| 03:26.21 | ArcanePariah | To get the parabola effect, you will need to create a custom mover, and assign it the mover in the Launch Missile effect |
| 03:26.44 | ArcanePariah | Which I can sort of walk you through, but movers are one of my weak spots |
| 03:27.31 | miushock | sok i can play with movers myself, my confusion is how everything liked together |
| 03:28.02 | miushock | you said i shall set ammo to none |
| 03:28.14 | miushock | does that make the launch effect move the caster unit? |
| 03:28.18 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 03:29.14 | miushock | ok i'll copy these down and go through by myself, thx so much for the detailed outlining |
| 03:31.02 | ArcanePariah | No problem |
| 03:31.51 | miushock | helpful mentors like you make me love this channel more each day |
| 03:32.04 | miushock | thanks to you and the community in general :) |
| 03:32.24 | miushock | i'll come back to tell you my success or ask more questions :) |
| 03:33.12 | ArcanePariah | Also, another note, for the Persistent effect, you need to set the Location Offset Start to Caster and Location Offset End to Source to give the correct direction |
| 03:33.22 | ArcanePariah | I may have those backwards tho |
| 03:34.13 | miushock | got it, thanks :D |
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| 03:56.48 | MoonEa917 | ok |
| 03:56.52 | MoonEa917 | whats? |
| 03:56.57 | MoonEa917 | with my name? |
| 03:56.58 | MoonEa917 | lolz |
| 03:57.02 | MoonEa917 | im already here? |
| 03:57.04 | MoonEa917 | ...... |
| 03:57.17 | MoonEa917 | ~seen MoonEater916 |
| 03:57.18 | purl | mooneater916 is currently on #sc2mapster (8h 47m 44s), last said: 'meh'. |
| 03:57.22 | MoonEa917 | oh |
| 03:57.24 | MoonEa917 | right |
| 03:57.52 | MoonEa917 | jade? |
| 03:57.58 | MoonEa917 | Deadzergling |
| 03:58.01 | MoonEa917 | A1win |
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| 05:27.10 | DeadZergling | you in bed now A1win ? |
| 06:04.31 | DeadZergling | boo, even after beating Ghouls N' Ghosts, it displays GAME OVER at the end |
| 06:04.38 | DeadZergling | how lame is that |
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| 06:34.51 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 06:35.19 | JademusSreg | Deadz, it -is- accurate, at least. |
| 06:35.49 | DeadZergling | yea kind of, it keeps saying, but is it REALLY over? |
| 06:35.53 | DeadZergling | that sort of thing |
| 06:37.49 | JademusSreg | Cue Super Ghouls n Ghosts. |
| 06:38.10 | MoonEater917 | jade |
| 06:38.14 | MoonEater917 | i got a question |
| 06:38.20 | MoonEater917 | need brainstorm help |
| 06:38.22 | JademusSreg | Noted. |
| 06:38.27 | DeadZergling | yea, since 2 phases of armor that dies in one hit isn't enough |
| 06:38.30 | DeadZergling | in super, you get 3 |
| 06:41.48 | MoonEater917 | Jade remember how for sprites i do a timer set repeatidly for each frame, i need a way to interrupt a repeating section |
| 06:43.30 | JademusSreg | Signal. |
| 06:44.02 | JademusSreg | Use em to kill the timers. |
| 06:44.20 | MoonEater917 | im not familiar with those |
| 06:44.30 | MoonEater917 | :/ |
| 06:45.12 | JademusSreg | The event / msg Signal. Signal.*.Fuckit -> TimerKill FuckTimer |
| 06:48.14 | MoonEater917 | i love how u translate for me |
| 06:48.18 | MoonEater917 | marry me |
| 06:48.19 | MoonEater917 | babe |
| 06:48.49 | JademusSreg | ♥ |
| 06:48.57 | MoonEater917 | oh ya jade |
| 06:49.04 | MoonEater917 | ur barrito needs a hat |
| 06:49.09 | MoonEater917 | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/59501-christmas-portraits-show-em-off/#p6 |
| 06:49.21 | MoonEater917 | or a turkey |
| 06:49.34 | JademusSreg | Naw, but I've considered doing a holiday themed avatar. |
| 06:49.49 | JademusSreg | Just a matter of finding the right food/body part combination. |
| 06:50.10 | MoonEater917 | so? |
| 06:50.16 | MoonEater917 | scrooge |
| 06:51.54 | DeadZergling | Scrooge Cooked Duck? |
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| 06:52.41 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 06:57.01 | DeadZergling | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.47 | JademusSreg | I had an idea for Eyes-cream, but doesn't fit with the holiday shit. |
| 07:00.39 | DeadZergling | best would be mistletoe |
| 07:00.50 | DeadZergling | since you know everyone wants to kiss your avatar |
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| 07:01.31 | dvzon | Hello! |
| 07:01.33 | JademusSreg | Fair point. |
| 07:02.36 | dvzon | I have a quick question about cinematics. I already have my map/game created...do I have to create a small new map to do the cinematics in, and then transfer that to my main map or do I have to do them in the same main map? |
| 07:04.38 | JademusSreg | Cinematics are beyond my knowledge. Ask Tolkfan, perhaps, as he works with that toolset a great deal. |
| 07:05.39 | DeadZergling | sigh almost hoping for a natural disaster to hit, copy pasting to add 3 extra bank slots is just awful |
| 07:06.20 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 07:06.39 | DeadZergling | well you know how bank slots make you hardcode stuff, no variables allowed? |
| 07:08.09 | DeadZergling | means 8 times the work in some areas |
| 07:08.17 | DeadZergling | is easy, but just, bleh |
| 07:10.42 | ArcanePariah | Erm... DeadZergling, if you are talking about preload stuff, you don't need to do that in triggers at all. And any other bank loading stuff takes variables |
| 07:10.53 | DeadZergling | when did that change? |
| 07:11.16 | MoonEater917 | i know about cinematics |
| 07:11.26 | ArcanePariah | Heart of the Swarm release patch, go to Map -> Preload Info -> Banks tab |
| 07:11.26 | MoonEater917 | Dvzon |
| 07:11.48 | MoonEater917 | dvzon |
| 07:11.58 | ArcanePariah | Just put name of bank, and all players, and you should be done for preloading for all banks |
| 07:13.03 | ArcanePariah | To be honest, the I don't even know what function the preload triggers serve, save for preloading between campaign maps, and doing it dynamically |
| 07:14.08 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmmm, that's nifty, not sure it is worth the effort now though, most are setup, and I store the banks in variables in the functions too |
| 07:14.20 | MoonEater917 | jade what does the second signal in signal mean? |
| 07:15.26 | DeadZergling | well could probably re-work it a diff way, but, oh well, lol |
| 07:15.36 | DeadZergling | I'll keep that in mind if I ever make another project that needs banks, thx AP |
| 07:15.47 | dvzon | moon |
| 07:15.51 | dvzon | u there still? |
| 07:15.58 | MoonEater917 | yes |
| 07:16.00 | JademusSreg | Ah, bank preloading. |
| 07:16.04 | dvzon | hey sup man |
| 07:16.19 | MoonEater917 | you should do the cutscene in the map ur working on |
| 07:16.27 | dvzon | oh ok |
| 07:16.35 | JademusSreg | The second term in the Signal event is the actor, which should be left blank in most cases. |
| 07:16.44 | dvzon | thats kind of inconvenient, but understandable |
| 07:16.50 | MoonEater917 | then u can enable terrain viewing to get the best angles if you want |
| 07:16.54 | JademusSreg | Thus, Signal.*.TheSignalIdentifier |
| 07:16.58 | MoonEater917 | well u dont have to |
| 07:17.03 | MoonEater917 | but i recommend it |
| 07:17.23 | MoonEater917 | ah |
| 07:17.25 | dvzon | so I could make a whole new map just for the cinematics and then transfer the cinematics to the main map? |
| 07:17.28 | MoonEater917 | ty jade |
| 07:17.41 | MoonEater917 | well no, unless ur import the models |
| 07:18.02 | dvzon | what if they are regular models |
| 07:18.07 | MoonEater917 | so if u use the whole map as a battle field ull need to somehow export the ground as a model |
| 07:18.11 | MoonEater917 | cause reguardless |
| 07:18.14 | dvzon | oh |
| 07:18.18 | MoonEater917 | the cinematic will play within your map |
| 07:18.27 | MoonEater917 | you dont nessecaraly have to use ur map tho |
| 07:18.32 | MoonEater917 | in the cinematic |
| 07:18.36 | dvzon | ? |
| 07:18.38 | MoonEater917 | but u have to use models |
| 07:18.48 | dvzon | so if I use a standard...tank for example |
| 07:18.52 | MoonEater917 | lets say we doing somthing like the thing |
| 07:18.56 | dvzon | just a good ole normal out of the factory tank |
| 07:18.58 | MoonEater917 | were theres a planet view |
| 07:19.11 | MoonEater917 | well ya |
| 07:19.27 | MoonEater917 | Dzvon anything used in the cinematic disapears after the cinematic |
| 07:19.35 | MoonEater917 | i gtg tho ill be back in an hour |
| 07:19.41 | dvzon | ok |
| 07:19.49 | JademusSreg | Deadz, go to Map > Preload Info > Banks |
| 07:20.06 | DeadZergling | I did that, saw it, but it'd be more work to redo it at this point |
| 07:21.17 | JademusSreg | Well, the bank preload GUI trigger action just adds the bank to the preload list anyway, so it's a different interface that does the exact same thing, not similar, but the very same thing. =D |
| 07:22.30 | JademusSreg | Even easier would be to modify the list file directly, but whatever. |
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| 07:25.10 | DeadZergling | yea, I'm good there, wouldn't mind learning more about the uses for these 'signals' though |
| 07:25.57 | DeadZergling | meanwhile see just how badly I fucked my copy paste job up, lol |
| 07:26.23 | JademusSreg | Ah, much like the generic trigger signals added in 1.5, actor signals are a generic way of signaling between actors and even within the same actor. |
| 07:27.31 | JademusSreg | Especially useful for initiating states from other, often multiple, states which should end similarly. |
| 07:28.10 | JademusSreg | Or likewise initiating multiple states from other states. |
| 07:28.37 | JademusSreg | I'll use model attachments as an example. |
| 07:32.00 | JademusSreg | Suppose you have an infested command center with a bunch of infested zerg shit models on it. The main actor signals with the message (no specific Target) Signal ExplodifyTheGuts, and the model attachments are using an actor with the actors messages Signal.*.ExplodifyTheGuts > ModelSwap {ZergDeathMediumWhatever} and Signal.*.ExplodifyTheGuts > Destroy (not immediate, which means it completes |
| 07:32.00 | JademusSreg | the animation before the actor is destroyed). |
| 07:33.48 | DeadZergling | nice, so a way to tell a specific actor to do something at that time |
| 07:34.04 | DeadZergling | I usually have to use an effect or behavior of some kind to make that happen |
| 07:35.04 | JademusSreg | Kind. Without a specific Target, it gets sent to all actors in the scope, but since not all actors have the specific Signal event, it's much more contained in its effects. |
| 07:36.31 | JademusSreg | So it's much safer to use than untargeted messages, and often easier than defining references for use in the target field. |
| 07:41.01 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmmm, how is it some actors get a signal, while others do not? |
| 07:41.24 | ArcanePariah | Depends on the scope |
| 07:41.34 | ArcanePariah | And on the target |
| 07:41.38 | JademusSreg | All the actors in the scope "get it", but without the event, they do nothing with it. |
| 07:41.59 | JademusSreg | And yeah, that assumes default (blank) target. |
| 07:42.29 | ArcanePariah | Actually... Signals I think are meant to be non scope related. |
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| 07:42.44 | ArcanePariah | You can send them to a scope, but not necessarily |
| 07:45.14 | ArcanePariah | They really really need to add some more documentation to the Actor system, it is too easy to hang yourself with all the interrelated fields and concepts (Alias, System References, Actors...) |
| 07:45.37 | ArcanePariah | Like I get Hosts now, but Host supporters...???? |
| 07:45.49 | DeadZergling | especially considering actor field is the hardest field I've found in data to figure out |
| 07:46.44 | ArcanePariah | Well yeah, because the entire Actor system is an abstraction, data objects that react to events to do other events. In effect, its an entirely parallel system of effects |
| 07:46.58 | ArcanePariah | There's tons of actors that have 0 visualization |
| 07:47.03 | ArcanePariah | Like state monitors |
| 07:47.20 | ArcanePariah | Which are the actors that are responsible for terran buildings burning |
| 07:47.37 | ArcanePariah | building burning animations* |
| 07:48.10 | ArcanePariah | Just today, we helped A1win figure out how to use a simple actor in order to use a behavior generically on any unit/missile and set its scale |
| 07:48.40 | ArcanePariah | Which was nice, because it meant we had 1 actor with 2-3 events, instead of putting 2 events on every possible unit |
| 07:49.29 | ArcanePariah | But still... that level of abstraction requires a decent tutorial at least, current actor system is like throwing algebra students into a calculus class. Sure they can maybe grasp it but... |
| 07:49.38 | DeadZergling | behaviors and effects to make actors work |
| 07:49.45 | DeadZergling | that is about all I typically do, besides timers, lol |
| 07:50.20 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, it works, but.... like any other thing, if it was better explained, I bet I could rework a ton of your actor events into a couple actors with a couple events |
| 07:51.09 | JademusSreg | People save a lot of time when they consult with me about how to implement a given design, if they understand what I'm saying or have time to explain shit. |
| 07:52.19 | ArcanePariah | Yeah well.... no offense to the vast majority of mapmakers, but the editor sadly was written for a fairly high level CS crowd.... math is already a subject many struggle with and CS/Software is simply a structured subset of math |
| 07:53.04 | ArcanePariah | Then again, how many pro tools are actually well documented with good examples? |
| 07:54.19 | DeadZergling | Wonder how that'd look on a resume, able to understand the SC2 Editor |
| 07:54.31 | JademusSreg | Unity, arguably. But more generally, good docs for professional tools tend to be accompanied by yearly service contracts and training workshops (looking at you, fucking Xamarin). |
| 07:57.03 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, I guess... I remember learning Open Directory to help my dad setup his classroom and looking at conferences to learn about such things... frigging couple hundred dollars at minimum, upwards thousands... |
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| 07:58.22 | ArcanePariah | DeadZergling: It might be nice, but more importantly is understanding the concepts behind the editor, and also general CS concepts. On one hand I came pretty late to the game (started last year this time) but I had no problem picking up the editor, and it took me relatively little time to get comfortable with it. Just been exploring it ever since. |
| 07:58.35 | ArcanePariah | Primarly because of my CS background |
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| 08:08.20 | DeadZergling | I'm really desperate to avoid working on my 5th class apparently if I'm adding bank slots over it, lol |
| 08:10.43 | Bommes | Hello. |
| 08:13.42 | ArcanePariah | Well Dead, whats involved in making a class for your map? |
| 08:14.12 | dvzon | moon |
| 08:14.14 | dvzon | u there |
| 08:15.29 | JademusSreg | Banks? Classes? DataTables are better for dynamic memory allocation. But if you mean character classes, don't see any reason why those wouldn't all be stored in the same bank. |
| 08:18.51 | DeadZergling | class as in character class, not an object, lol |
| 08:19.22 | dvzon | moon |
| 08:20.42 | MoonEater917 | yes |
| 08:20.43 | MoonEater917 | im here |
| 08:22.04 | dvzon | check ur pm |
| 08:22.44 | dvzon | nm |
| 08:23.15 | MoonEater917 | nothings of use is there? |
| 08:24.08 | DeadZergling | in terms of what is involved AP, a lot of planning, 10-19 activateable abilities, some passive abilities, balancing, itemization (although that is a separate entity), balancing, etc etc |
| 08:24.35 | DeadZergling | and the abilities scaling with level, int, wis, etc, and a skill tree that corresponds with it |
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| 08:28.37 | JademusSreg | Doesn't explain the bank stuff, but sounds neato. |
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| 08:30.00 | DeadZergling | well in terms of what a bank needs to know |
| 08:31.04 | DeadZergling | it needs to know str, dex, sta, agi, wis, int amounts, unused ability points, level, XP amount, gold amount, about 80-90 items, ability levels, charges on potions |
| 08:31.21 | DeadZergling | class type too obviously, lol |
| 08:31.48 | DeadZergling | I could probably fit it all into one huge bank file it is true, but I chose to have 6 banks use 6 files |
| 08:32.06 | DeadZergling | lets them save their fav char or delete it, at least until patch 2.2.... |
| 08:34.08 | DeadZergling | I hope they add a way to clear a bank slot out |
| 08:34.14 | DeadZergling | if they gonna be serverside |
| 08:36.29 | JademusSreg | All of which can be compressed. Starcode is sufficient to handle such things, but if one intends to handle it oneself, it's fairly simple to serialize such data and encode in a different base. |
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| 08:38.09 | DeadZergling | as far as I'm concerned anyone who can take the time to understand the string mess to cheat, and wants to ruin the game for themselves, can go right ahead |
| 08:38.17 | DeadZergling | at least I know they are having fun with my map |
| 08:39.00 | DeadZergling | nothing of value be stored in these banks, just RPG character stats, lol |
| 08:39.08 | JademusSreg | Naw, not about encryption, this is about compression. =D |
| 08:39.30 | DeadZergling | oh well I could probably compress it more, but I have no desire to go further than I already have |
| 08:39.43 | DeadZergling | I use about 4 or 5 strings per file for all settings/stats |
| 08:39.54 | DeadZergling | and save numbers in Tre-Octagicimal |
| 08:40.32 | DeadZergling | So I can fit a value of over 6k in 2 chars, and over 570k in 3 chars |
| 08:43.06 | JademusSreg | 0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ!$%/()=?,.-;:_^#+* @{[]}|~` |
| 08:43.41 | JademusSreg | Starcode uses base-89 |
| 08:46.03 | MoonEater917 | JademusSreg thier encryption seems to use obfustication unless u use the hash |
| 08:46.12 | MoonEater917 | to compress |
| 08:46.41 | JademusSreg | =| |
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| 08:47.06 | MoonEater917 | i look at the outputed code |
| 08:47.11 | JademusSreg | Sense has just not been made. |
| 08:47.29 | MoonEater917 | well encryption is not the same as obfuscation |
| 08:48.33 | DeadZergling | anyways, I did try to add starcode to it too, but it added even more lag time for me |
| 08:48.43 | JademusSreg | I mean you're just tossing about words, Moon, haha. |
| 08:48.44 | DeadZergling | so I said F starcode |
| 08:49.00 | MoonEater917 | how am i tossing words around.... |
| 08:49.11 | MoonEater917 | im saying that i dont think starcode is true encryption |
| 08:51.26 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 08:52.22 | dvzon | . |
| 08:55.24 | DeadZergling | heh, redoing the starter weapons for Knight and Cleric, they suck really bad to start as |
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| 09:09.20 | MoonEater917 | Bleh |
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| 09:29.25 | DeadZergling | heh, kid rolled out of bed, continues sleeping |
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| 10:19.39 | Zolden | why scan doesn't work in bnet, but works in local test? I have the samse as cc scan has effect-target abil -> persistent with fog flag |
| 10:20.53 | Zolden | second question is: I have actor message A with term validatorA, and message B with term NOT validator A.... and it works NOT ALWAYS |
| 10:20.58 | Zolden | works, but not alwyas |
| 10:21.06 | Zolden | why can it be? |
| 10:22.52 | Zolden | kingTD was i useful yesturda in zoldarium when attacked something with gargoiles i made? |
| 10:24.41 | Zolden | crap, sunday chat is a silentfest |
| 10:25.49 | Zolden | it's sunday, but now sun, and day will last till 6pm, november sundays shoud be renamed to subdays |
| 10:33.41 | kingTD | very |
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| 11:58.09 | Zolden | Kueken i have an actor I attach to a unit on its creation |
| 11:58.28 | Zolden | this actor need to use validate unit term |
| 11:58.36 | kingTD | tssss HS quest to play 20 cards that cost more than 4 and now just surrendered while not playing last card that cost 7 and again have to play a match :/ |
| 11:58.39 | Zolden | i check behavior amounts |
| 11:59.43 | Kueken | whats the problem? |
| 11:59.49 | Zolden | and sometimes attached actor checks correctly, sometimes doesn, so looks like i need to do something to explicitly reference the unit? |
| 12:00.08 | Kueken | paste your XML |
| 12:01.29 | Zolden | Kueken http://pastebin.com/WuiYvgZ8 |
| 12:02.03 | Kueken | the validator as well |
| 12:03.56 | Zolden | http://pastebin.com/7uYUj1KK |
| 12:04.18 | Zolden | actually now, after i asked, i suspect i know where could be a problem |
| 12:04.39 | Zolden | I use delay timer in actor to let the game apply the behaviors validators checking |
| 12:05.03 | Zolden | they are applied by data, so i thought 4 ticks is ok |
| 12:05.22 | Zolden | but the fact is it works in local test and doesn't in bnet |
| 12:05.30 | Zolden | could it be that 4 ticks isn't enough? |
| 12:05.36 | Kueken | why the delay anyway? |
| 12:05.50 | Kueken | it doesn't work at all without it? |
| 12:05.57 | Zolden | to wait until the mine find the resource around and apply a behavior on itself |
| 12:06.17 | Kueken | ah, so related to your realization of the mine |
| 12:06.41 | Zolden | attachment created immediately at mine creation, but mine need time to see what resource is near |
| 12:06.59 | Kueken | well, then test a longer delay, I guess |
| 12:07.11 | Zolden | yea, think it may help |
| 12:07.16 | Zolden | i have another strange issue |
| 12:07.19 | Kueken | you could also try to create it on Behavior.on, I guess |
| 12:07.32 | Kueken | or change text on that event |
| 12:07.46 | Zolden | yes, right |
| 12:08.14 | Kueken | btw, in actor terms, you can negate validators by adding a ! in xml |
| 12:08.41 | Kueken | so instead of creating a negated validator, you can use ValidateUnit !isgoldormine |
| 12:08.41 | Zolden | and second issue: why my scan abil doesn't work in bnet, but works in local test? I have the samse as command center scan sweep has: effect-target abil -> persistent with fog flag and destroy delay |
| 12:09.04 | Zolden | Kueken thanks, didn't know this |
| 12:09.15 | Zolden | it will save me some time in the future |
| 12:09.36 | Kueken | it doesn't seem to work always, though |
| 12:09.47 | Kueken | I had situations where I couldn't get it to work |
| 12:09.52 | Zolden | ;/ |
| 12:09.58 | Kueken | but that might be just me messing up, dunno |
| 12:10.07 | Zolden | ok, i'll ty anyway |
| 12:10.11 | Kueken | Blizzard uses it occasionaly |
| 12:10.17 | Kueken | so it can't be too bad :D |
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| 12:10.54 | Kueken | never messed with a scan, but working in single but failing on Bnet sounds strange |
| 12:11.02 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/45/138/1212.gif |
| 12:11.06 | Kueken | the default scan still works correctly for you? |
| 12:11.15 | Delphinium | my little chooper finished. |
| 12:11.27 | Kueken | and here comes the show-off frog again :D |
| 12:12.05 | Delphinium | :) |
| 12:12.33 | Delphinium | But no one wonder my models till now 0.0 |
| 12:14.02 | Zolden | Kueken yea... but if you don't know, fuck it, i replaced it with trigger scan |
| 12:14.24 | Kueken | :D |
| 12:14.39 | Kueken | "But no one wonder my models till now 0.0" |
| 12:14.46 | Kueken | I don't understand |
| 12:14.53 | Zolden | cool night chopper |
| 12:16.15 | Delphinium | It's a long story. |
| 12:16.59 | Delphinium | Mostly my model need to be tested for two different guys to make sure there is no bugs before released. |
| 12:18.37 | Delphinium | NanaKey and Renee, I always asked them for testing. And sometime nanakey will make a list about which more animations and function should be added. |
| 12:19.45 | Delphinium | So now there still a tons of models need to be tested, and before that I can't release the mod. AKA no guys know there are some models from alittle frog. |
| 12:22.26 | Zolden | btw, I think I realized why koreans rape everybody |
| 12:23.19 | Zolden | they are unbelievably dilligent, none of people from other countries would spend so much time polishing their strategies |
| 12:23.47 | Zolden | they jsut obsessed with work |
| 12:24.19 | Zolden | it's how they built their huge economy from a fucked village they were at fifties |
| 12:26.41 | Zolden | Kueken have you ever played squadron td? |
| 12:26.50 | Kueken | no |
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| 12:57.20 | A1win | blrghblr |
| 13:10.02 | DeadZergling | Morning A1win |
| 13:10.31 | DeadZergling | I still think suicide should = -1 for that player :) |
| 13:10.49 | A1win | why? D: |
| 13:11.07 | DeadZergling | oh I don't know, because that is what happens in every death match game I have ever played? |
| 13:11.29 | DeadZergling | but think about it, you pew a guy for 1 or 2 hits |
| 13:11.35 | DeadZergling | he proceeds to blue bomb himself dead |
| 13:11.41 | A1win | you get a point |
| 13:11.43 | DeadZergling | does it make any sense that you get a kill? |
| 13:11.58 | A1win | yeah? |
| 13:12.03 | A1win | you were the last enemy to damage him |
| 13:12.18 | DeadZergling | is a death match a1win, not an RPG :P |
| 13:12.41 | DeadZergling | I bet you if he kills himself again, that same player gets a kill again |
| 13:12.48 | A1win | just makes the game last for longer if people keep losing score |
| 13:12.49 | DeadZergling | if noone else touches him |
| 13:13.05 | A1win | when you respawn, the tag resets |
| 13:13.13 | DeadZergling | well people will figure out really quick not to self kill |
| 13:13.30 | DeadZergling | hrrrmm, so what does happen if you kill yourself repeatedly right now? :) |
| 13:13.38 | A1win | nothing |
| 13:13.59 | A1win | you stay at level 0 and lose time during which you could be getting kills |
| 13:14.20 | DeadZergling | (and should lose a point for being stupid enough to kill yourself) |
| 13:14.23 | A1win | I just don't see any reason to subtract points from suicide |
| 13:14.35 | DeadZergling | to encourage players not to do it? |
| 13:14.47 | A1win | why would they want to do it in the first place? |
| 13:14.52 | DeadZergling | because if you were the last person to damage yourself, it makes no sense to give someone else points |
| 13:14.52 | A1win | and if they do, what does it help them? |
| 13:15.15 | DeadZergling | well if it is Zolden, they might be trying make the game last longer :P |
| 13:15.27 | DeadZergling | not win right away |
| 13:16.10 | G0A | Zolden ohh, and for moment I feared that the Koreans are smarter than us :) |
| 13:16.18 | A1win | it would make the game last longer if they lost points for it |
| 13:16.20 | A1win | now it doesn't |
| 13:16.34 | A1win | except for the 5 sec during which you are "immune" to kills (because you are dead) |
| 13:17.08 | A1win | you can make the game last longer by not fighting and just running |
| 13:17.28 | DeadZergling | so you feel that if a person gets shot in the leg, and that person holds a bomb blowing him and the shooter up |
| 13:17.40 | DeadZergling | the shooter technically killed him? :P |
| 13:17.50 | DeadZergling | you make no sense |
| 13:18.35 | A1win | it's not good for gameplay that you can deny kills for a player by killing yourself |
| 13:18.51 | DeadZergling | and just to show how ridiculous it is, the shooter shot a small dart w/ no poison |
| 13:19.08 | DeadZergling | didn't really do any damage at all |
| 13:19.25 | DeadZergling | yea, because losing kills and going into the negative |
| 13:19.30 | DeadZergling | is great for winning games :P |
| 13:22.50 | A1win | what's that supposed to mean? D: |
| 13:23.13 | DeadZergling | I'm saying almost no one will self kill on purpose |
| 13:23.36 | DeadZergling | but is just goofy to gift it to the last shooter |
| 13:23.40 | A1win | still there would be situations where it is beneficial or even game-changing |
| 13:23.55 | A1win | about to get shot by the player who is about to win? jump into a black hole! |
| 13:24.25 | DeadZergling | and he deserves the kill, why? |
| 13:24.43 | A1win | because he was the last person to damage you and might otherwise have killed you anyway |
| 13:24.50 | DeadZergling | keyword, might |
| 13:24.55 | A1win | yeah? |
| 13:25.01 | DeadZergling | coulda done 1 pew damage |
| 13:25.08 | DeadZergling | and you accidentally go into the hole |
| 13:25.14 | DeadZergling | which has nothing to do with him |
| 13:25.18 | A1win | then why did you jump into the vortex if he wasn't about to kill you? |
| 13:25.43 | A1win | accidentally jumping into a vortex is your mistake, not the person's who shot you |
| 13:26.00 | DeadZergling | oh I don't know, maybe you didn't even realize what it was, as all the icons are descriptive as blizzard's tooltips |
| 13:26.08 | DeadZergling | as are the graphics :P |
| 13:26.26 | DeadZergling | yea, so they get awarded a kill for accidentally hitting with a pew |
| 13:26.57 | A1win | it's not ideal, but there's no better alternative |
| 13:27.08 | DeadZergling | I already told you the better alternative |
| 13:27.14 | A1win | that's a worse alternative |
| 13:27.20 | DeadZergling | last person to damage gets a kill |
| 13:27.23 | DeadZergling | if it was you, you lose a kill |
| 13:27.26 | A1win | because it encourages self-killing in certain situations |
| 13:27.29 | DeadZergling | it doesn't even make sense otherwise |
| 13:27.55 | DeadZergling | nice of you to remove choices from them :P |
| 13:28.54 | A1win | I haven't removed anything, it wasn't there to begin with D: |
| 13:29.06 | A1win | you're suggesting I should *add* the choice to make suicide beneficial |
| 13:29.14 | DeadZergling | how is losing a kill beneficial |
| 13:29.23 | DeadZergling | that is just lazy programming is what it is |
| 13:29.45 | A1win | not always, but when the kill would go to the player who was about to win, you have to do it or you lose |
| 13:30.31 | A1win | has nothing to do with how much programming it takes :P |
| 13:30.42 | A1win | awarding only the last person is less programming than awarding the last enemy |
| 13:30.43 | DeadZergling | yea, really convenient to fly into a blackhole or into a planet to bomb |
| 13:30.50 | DeadZergling | sure that'll happen a lot |
| 13:31.16 | A1win | never said it would happen a lot, I don't want the option to even exist |
| 13:31.25 | A1win | *the possibility |
| 13:31.28 | A1win | it's bad design D: |
| 13:31.58 | DeadZergling | says you, every other game I have ever played was -1 to that player |
| 13:32.37 | A1win | how does that make it good design :| |
| 13:32.54 | DeadZergling | what about the possibility of them blowing themselves up, killing the other player, but not being hit themself |
| 13:32.59 | DeadZergling | they now get no penalty |
| 13:33.38 | DeadZergling | oh I don't know, doom, quake, half-life, halo |
| 13:33.42 | DeadZergling | perhaps you've heard of them |
| 13:33.52 | DeadZergling | they were mildly successful :P |
| 13:34.07 | A1win | half-life wasn't successful because of HLDM |
| 13:34.14 | A1win | and even there it was silly that you lost kills |
| 13:34.45 | A1win | not saying it'd have worked there to get kills for the last attacker though |
| 13:35.20 | DeadZergling | it did work, only if the last attacker was yourself, you got -1 |
| 13:35.40 | A1win | you know that's not what I meant >_> |
| 13:35.58 | DeadZergling | Those kinda rules, I coulda blown myself to hell repeatedly |
| 13:35.59 | DeadZergling | and won games |
| 13:37.03 | A1win | in those games you had a button that kills yourself |
| 13:37.31 | DeadZergling | true it was a command, was necessary for when you got trapped in geometry |
| 13:37.46 | DeadZergling | but could do it with grenades and rockets just as easily |
| 13:38.13 | DeadZergling | well hopefully you see the light soon A1win :P |
| 13:38.25 | DeadZergling | remember when you were against weapon switching except on planets? :) |
| 13:38.32 | A1win | they also didn't have projectiles flying all over the place all the time |
| 13:38.45 | DeadZergling | remember when this was a complicated team game? |
| 13:38.54 | DeadZergling | uh, yes they did :P |
| 13:39.04 | A1win | not every inch of space |
| 13:39.07 | DeadZergling | half the servers would be infinite ammo mode |
| 13:39.17 | DeadZergling | and neither is every inch of space in your game |
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| 13:43.08 | A1win | I still can't see the downside of this compared to losing kills |
| 13:43.21 | A1win | it doesn't even make less sense than losing a kill from killing yourself |
| 13:43.55 | A1win | it might be less intuitive because it's different from the norm, but it doesn't make less *sense* |
| 13:44.02 | DeadZergling | well, as another bad thing, it encourages people to just charge in and bomb, doesn't matter if you blow yourself up |
| 13:44.12 | DeadZergling | just charge diff players |
| 13:44.17 | DeadZergling | and you win every time |
| 13:44.20 | A1win | you lose your levels if you die |
| 13:44.32 | DeadZergling | so what, no one else has levels if you doing that, lol |
| 13:45.05 | A1win | and if they kill you before you kill them? |
| 13:45.19 | A1win | it's not like suicide means a guaranteed kill ;p |
| 13:45.27 | DeadZergling | with those bombs it almost does |
| 13:45.40 | A1win | it does less dps than the other projectiles |
| 13:45.55 | A1win | and if you're damaging yourself with it, you die even faster |
| 13:46.09 | A1win | when the other guy shoots at you with something that doesn't damage him |
| 13:46.54 | DeadZergling | sense or not, is lame as hell to kill the other guy, get yourself in the process |
| 13:46.57 | DeadZergling | and help him |
| 13:47.32 | A1win | you help him even if you'd get -1 kill instead D: |
| 13:47.44 | DeadZergling | no, +1 -1, 0 :P |
| 13:47.51 | DeadZergling | I'd much rather that than help boost him |
| 13:48.14 | DeadZergling | and what if we both at 19, and due to the way the score is calculated, he wins when I killed and suicided |
| 13:48.21 | DeadZergling | well how lame is that? |
| 13:48.33 | A1win | if he killed you, he wins before he even has time to suicide |
| 13:48.45 | DeadZergling | no, I killed him, and suicided |
| 13:48.53 | DeadZergling | but since he was last to damage, and somehow he gets 20 first |
| 13:49.09 | DeadZergling | that is lame as lame can be |
| 13:50.13 | Zolden | would this work as map's arcade image? http://i.snag.gy/VkPag.jpg |
| 13:50.36 | DeadZergling | lol, isn't it a TD Zolden? |
| 13:50.50 | A1win | mm that isn't an ideal situation but it doesn't encourage players to suicide either |
| 13:50.53 | Zolden | it's my new td map |
| 13:51.13 | A1win | however, I should make my damaging order random so that player 1 doesn't always get kills be fore player 2 if they do damage at the same time ;p |
| 13:51.29 | DeadZergling | is an image sure, but nothing there tells me, This is a TD map |
| 13:51.52 | A1win | what's with the 90s color scheme again D: |
| 13:52.21 | DeadZergling | what's with the excessively boring terrain |
| 13:52.35 | DeadZergling | is almost worse than A1win Test Map |
| 13:52.42 | DeadZergling | and his is just space! |
| 13:53.22 | A1win | I need more Monster |
| 13:53.38 | DeadZergling | heh, no offense A1win , no one expects a space terrain to be amazing |
| 13:53.45 | DeadZergling | it can't be, due to its nature |
| 13:54.01 | A1win | background can be but I'm not an artist ;p |
| 13:54.11 | Zolden | kingTD abnd what would you say http://i.snag.gy/VkPag.jpg |
| 13:54.16 | A1win | besides, I now have black holes! |
| 13:54.22 | A1win | it's already more interesting than before |
| 13:54.39 | Zolden | do they kill? |
| 13:54.50 | A1win | yeah |
| 13:54.53 | DeadZergling | yes, but for some reason, the last person to hit you gets the kill Zolden :P |
| 13:55.05 | A1win | it's only fair |
| 13:55.48 | A1win | DeadZergling is stuck on 90s game design decisions :| |
| 13:56.06 | DeadZergling | some of the best games of all time are from that era |
| 13:56.16 | A1win | these days you should get 1 kill just for participation |
| 13:56.28 | DeadZergling | that is hippy tree hugger talk |
| 13:56.43 | DeadZergling | that is a bobby hill soccer game |
| 13:56.50 | DeadZergling | they all celebrate when the game ends in a tie, everyone wins! |
| 13:57.49 | DeadZergling | sorry, football for you weirdo europeans |
| 13:59.04 | DeadZergling | no, I know what game design decisions are nowadays |
| 13:59.09 | Zolden | photosop question: can I collapse layer style? |
| 13:59.18 | DeadZergling | will your map soon feature trees that you must water sometimes, and harvest fruit? |
| 13:59.21 | Zolden | to then create another one style |
| 13:59.23 | DeadZergling | so you can buy more fields |
| 13:59.35 | DeadZergling | but you can only get a bigger farm with more friends |
| 13:59.58 | DeadZergling | just call it Farm Galaxy! |
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| 14:03.23 | A1win | this mechanic actually allows you to get a kill by blasting someone into a vortex |
| 14:03.32 | A1win | or into their own projectiles |
| 14:03.52 | DeadZergling | anyways, won't be too surprised if you mysteriously change your mind, you did on just about every other suggestion |
| 14:03.54 | DeadZergling | lol |
| 14:03.57 | A1win | even though it can sometimes happen by accident, it can be used tactically too |
| 14:04.09 | A1win | <.< |
| 14:04.31 | A1win | am I not allowed to change my mind now? :P |
| 14:04.46 | DeadZergling | heh, just saying :) |
| 14:04.50 | A1win | I'm not arguing because I want to be right, but to determine which approach I should take |
| 14:05.28 | DeadZergling | indeed, I don't argue like this unless I feel a horrible sin is occurring |
| 14:05.35 | A1win | ;p |
| 14:05.38 | DeadZergling | would seem everyone wins kill system is one of them |
| 14:06.07 | DeadZergling | can't say anything bad about being tactical |
| 14:06.18 | DeadZergling | although be hard to pull off in that game |
| 14:06.21 | A1win | at least it's not the "aha! you didn't get a kill because I killed myself before your projectile hit me!" kill system |
| 14:06.38 | DeadZergling | well I'm not saying put in a 'kill' hotkey |
| 14:06.46 | DeadZergling | although I was for a ship self destruction sequence |
| 14:06.51 | DeadZergling | predator style |
| 14:07.15 | DeadZergling | unless they have your kind of logic, what we need a ship self destruct for |
| 14:07.21 | DeadZergling | each one of us is a self destruct |
| 14:07.31 | DeadZergling | we'll just leave Bob here, no one likes Bob |
| 14:08.03 | A1win | it's already pretty easy to suicie by just bombing a planet next to you or diving into a vortex |
| 14:08.07 | A1win | *suicide |
| 14:08.08 | DeadZergling | both systems have flaws |
| 14:08.13 | A1win | yeah |
| 14:08.22 | A1win | I'd be happy to discover one that hasn't ;p |
| 14:08.27 | DeadZergling | what about a hybrid, it wouldn't be hard |
| 14:08.39 | DeadZergling | last person to damage you expires after 5 seconds |
| 14:09.03 | A1win | mm something like that might work, just would need to display it somewhere |
| 14:09.08 | A1win | might be good to display it anyway... |
| 14:09.28 | DeadZergling | maybe, that part seems a little weird |
| 14:09.46 | DeadZergling | nice big label, Last Person who touched my special Place: Zolden |
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| 14:09.53 | A1win | ;x |
| 14:10.13 | DeadZergling | is just kind of weird |
| 14:10.43 | DeadZergling | who knows, maybe it could work, but I've never seen last person to damage me |
| 14:10.53 | A1win | to be fairer, it should give credit based on amount of damage by each player and whatnot <.< |
| 14:11.09 | DeadZergling | could do that, however |
| 14:11.20 | DeadZergling | that again is RPG thinking |
| 14:11.48 | A1win | it just doesn't work very well because of healing |
| 14:12.03 | DeadZergling | i mean heck, like that |
| 14:12.10 | DeadZergling | could possibly damage myself to near death |
| 14:12.11 | DeadZergling | heal |
| 14:12.17 | DeadZergling | no kills for anybody! |
| 14:12.27 | DeadZergling | you probably have that disabled though |
| 14:12.41 | A1win | would have to keep track of each point of damage for who has damaged you and reset them in first in last out order ;p |
| 14:12.51 | A1win | but that'd be just silly |
| 14:12.58 | DeadZergling | well anyways, got a lot done on my project tonight |
| 14:13.25 | DeadZergling | made it a lot more user friendly, added 3 bank slots, redid a couple weapons because the starter weapons sucked a little too much |
| 14:13.39 | kingTD | Zolden mehhh] |
| 14:13.41 | DeadZergling | found and fixed about 6 errors I found playing through |
| 14:13.59 | kingTD | you need then to use different fonts for every work |
| 14:14.07 | DeadZergling | I am really determined to not work on my cleric class, lol |
| 14:14.12 | kingTD | still would look like shit butt fuck it |
| 14:15.07 | DeadZergling | did figure out how I'm going to go about my buffing system with his buffs and other class buffs |
| 14:15.11 | DeadZergling | that took a lot of thinking |
| 14:15.36 | DeadZergling | had to draw heavily on my 'played way too many fucking video games' powers |
| 14:16.26 | DeadZergling | what you got planned next on yours A1win ? |
| 14:16.37 | DeadZergling | asteroids I hope |
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| 14:17.24 | DeadZergling | by the way, you mentioned your map now randomizes |
| 14:17.40 | DeadZergling | is there anything to keep planets from making a box? |
| 14:17.53 | DeadZergling | IE, 4-5 planets in one area making a trap |
| 14:17.55 | A1win | it's not a lot of randomization |
| 14:18.06 | A1win | the planets are prearranged in a grid (pretty similar to how they were before) |
| 14:18.17 | A1win | then it just shifts them around a bit and deletes a few etc |
| 14:18.35 | DeadZergling | and BUMPS the gravity up |
| 14:18.40 | DeadZergling | well that was yesterday, lol |
| 14:18.57 | A1win | yea fixed that ;p |
| 14:19.08 | A1win | first I only fixed it by making it reset x component of gravity |
| 14:19.13 | A1win | then spent like an hour debuggin |
| 14:19.14 | A1win | g |
| 14:19.19 | A1win | "still doesn't feel quite right" |
| 14:19.23 | DeadZergling | pretty amusing, had the same type deal occur with my revives |
| 14:20.17 | DeadZergling | and seeing as it is now 6:20 AM for me |
| 14:20.25 | DeadZergling | forcing myself to go to bed, later :) |
| 14:21.41 | A1win | later |
| 14:21.45 | A1win | I'll go buy more monster D: |
| 14:21.55 | DeadZergling | monster? |
| 14:21.59 | DeadZergling | energy drink? |
| 14:23.15 | DeadZergling | oh well, hear the answer later, bed now |
| 14:37.14 | Zolden | kingTD ok |
| 14:41.23 | Zolden | kingTD wanna test it a bit? |
| 14:41.32 | kingTD | now? |
| 14:41.36 | Zolden | in 10 minutes |
| 14:41.46 | kingTD | okkkkkkkkkkkkkkk |
| 14:41.58 | Zolden | Kueken how about you? |
| 14:42.10 | Zolden | Dustin and you |
| 14:42.27 | Kueken | not me |
| 14:51.40 | Zolden | kingTD you know what? not 10 minutes, more, wanna add a huge "build here" splat for the sake of noobfriendliness |
| 14:52.00 | kingTD | later |
| 14:52.02 | kingTD | just play |
| 14:52.15 | kingTD | for those noobs you say gtfo for few hours |
| 14:53.30 | A1win | hmm I'll add a "Tagged by Player X" message above action bar with the same font as death messages |
| 14:53.39 | A1win | and make tag reset if you pick up health |
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| 15:18.54 | kingTD | Zolden so when? |
| 15:27.50 | Zolden | kingTD waht do you think about this? http://i.snag.gy/v6mPX.jpg |
| 15:28.15 | Zolden | kingTD in 1/2 hours, i wnat to eat first, you go eat too |
| 15:28.36 | kingTD | cute but over all sc2 feel of textures and shit wont look great with this low res spalt |
| 15:29.20 | kingTD | will go play dota then eating shakalad with baton |
| 15:29.28 | Zolden | lol |
| 15:29.32 | Zolden | sounds good |
| 15:33.10 | A1win | I wonder if I should change scoring to be based on damage rather than last hit |
| 15:33.52 | A1win | like when a player dies, it gives score that is divided among all players who dealt damage to him weighted by the amount of the damage |
| 15:34.36 | A1win | it wouldn't really encourage players to kill each other then, just do damage >_> |
| 15:34.46 | A1win | like if someone escapes, you don't have much reason to go chasing to finish him off |
| 15:34.58 | Zolden | A1win combine: like 1 score per kill + 1/200 score per 1/100 hp damage |
| 15:35.22 | Zolden | so killing a shit will bring 3/2 score |
| 15:35.32 | A1win | that's way too complicated |
| 15:36.25 | Zolden | it feels right to reward hits and kills |
| 15:36.40 | Zolden | so, score will be like in videogames, like 2500 |
| 15:37.00 | Zolden | with 100 per kill and 1 per 2% of hp damage |
| 15:37.15 | Zolden | maybe something else can add points |
| 15:37.25 | Zolden | like killing weak ai or asteroids or crates |
| 15:39.35 | A1win | score would make it feel more like an arcade game, might be nice |
| 15:42.35 | A1win | I was suggested to give more score based on damage the less health the enemy has |
| 15:43.32 | A1win | though maybe even then it'd be better to let someone heal for a little and do more damage than actually kill them |
| 15:43.46 | A1win | ...if not taking into account that they might also kill you ;p |
| 15:46.04 | A1win | nnf dunno |
| 15:53.40 | A1win | what if you get score from each point of damage you do and from picking up level up items? |
| 15:53.46 | A1win | and none for the actual killing blow |
| 15:54.00 | A1win | you'd still want to kill ships because they drop the items |
| 16:01.12 | A1win | hmm only get score if you go through shields I suppose |
| 16:01.42 | A1win | makes sense ;p |
| 16:17.15 | Zolden | how to make an actor be only visible for a player x? |
| 16:17.30 | A1win | with the flyer helper message trick |
| 16:17.51 | A1win | search the forums, there should be a tutorial |
| 16:18.09 | A1win | dunno if there's any other way |
| 16:18.30 | A1win | it's not very elegant but it works |
| 16:22.26 | Zolden | ok |
| 16:35.15 | Zolden | how to make something be visible in a list of doodads? |
| 16:35.24 | Zolden | for example, I created actor, but it's not there |
| 16:49.30 | kingTD | zolden sup?! |
| 16:50.57 | kingTD | trkoolololololol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7FIvfx5J10 |
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| 17:03.24 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/45/146/112.png make a wall paper, looks very simple but still full of fun. |
| 17:04.28 | Zolden | kingTD almost, just a few little changes |
| 17:09.00 | A1win | whee new scoring mechanics in place now |
| 17:11.13 | Zolden | kingTD ok, uploading |
| 17:15.25 | kingTD | ok lets fuck |
| 17:16.12 | Zolden | kingTD come |
| 17:16.22 | Zolden | ey |
| 17:16.23 | Zolden | eu |
| 17:35.04 | kingTD | Zolden ffs fix that epxnading thing and resource building shit and sapwning |
| 17:35.14 | kingTD | game too much dependant on luck |
| 17:35.31 | kingTD | And construction yards still on timer |
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| 17:43.42 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a85/SC2%202013-11-17%2019-42-26-07.jpg |
| 17:43.44 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a85/SC2%202013-11-17%2019-42-29-27.jpg |
| 17:44.29 | A1win | that +x score in the middle keeps increasing as you gain score until you don't gain any score within 5 seconds and it disappears, and starts counting from 0 |
| 17:45.04 | A1win | each point of damage is 1 score, and each level up item looted is 25 score (for now) |
| 17:45.23 | A1win | only from damage that goes through shields |
| 17:45.39 | A1win | also note the new hotkey display for the weapon slot ;p |
| 17:47.55 | A1win | (player has 100 health so you can get 100 + 25 score from a player who hasn't healed at all) |
| 17:49.49 | Zolden | how to disable some alerts like "your allies under attack"? |
| 17:50.01 | A1win | Alerts data |
| 17:50.06 | Zolden | and waht to do there? |
| 17:50.15 | A1win | change who it is displayed to |
| 17:50.33 | A1win | (dunno if there's a better way) |
| 17:50.40 | Zolden | there are alot of entries |
| 17:50.51 | A1win | each entry separately ;p |
| 17:51.26 | A1win | can add combo score bonus for getting a lot of score at once ;o |
| 17:51.27 | kingTD | zolden make a grid for resources to discover and have the starting resource the same. while rocks would have randomly placed same quanity as other would get Gold mine place and every other resource |
| 17:52.05 | Zolden | kingTD not sure it's necesary, but i'll think about it after a few more tests |
| 17:52.29 | kingTD | now its just fighting for resource between your allies |
| 17:53.11 | kingTD | while other trives in resource others dont have shit |
| 17:53.20 | kingTD | and they cant make every game tactic |
| 17:53.29 | kingTD | at least at the very beginning |
| 17:53.45 | kingTD | as they dont have starting basic resources availabe most of the time |
| 17:57.54 | Zolden | i agree, it can be improved |
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| 18:30.02 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a85/SC2%202013-11-17%2020-29-15-26.jpg |
| 18:30.25 | A1win | every 100 score gained in a row gives +10 (for each 100) bonus score |
| 18:30.42 | A1win | so if you get +100, you get +10 bonus, if +200, you get total of +30 (10+20) bonus etc. |
| 18:31.22 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a85/SC2%202013-11-17%2020-31-02-44.jpg |
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| 18:35.13 | JademusSreg | Fargle. |
| 18:41.01 | A1win | JademusSreg, thoughts on scoring based on damage + some from picking up item that drops from dead player? |
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| 19:05.14 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
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| 19:11.43 | JademusSreg | Several thoughts. Score system benefits: readily understood by the player, easily represented in the interface. Deficits: it's abstract, not an in-context objective that can be understood in relation to the setting, theme, or other presentational elements. |
| 19:14.15 | JademusSreg | However, if score could be relabeled to it refered to something understandable as an objective within the context of the setting, that would be nice. But what matters most here is how effectively it is driving play. |
| 19:14.23 | JademusSreg | *so it refered |
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| 19:15.09 | JademusSreg | imagines it relabeled as Scrap, and using the little Scrap cubes as the pickups. |
| 19:15.42 | JademusSreg | Spaaaaaaace alvage, haha. |
| 19:15.46 | JademusSreg | *Salvage |
| 19:16.04 | A1win | mm it's just that it gives you the score instantly on damage |
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| 19:17.09 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 19:17.59 | JademusSreg | So it's rather like an exam on space drone operation. =D |
| 19:19.49 | A1win | hehe |
| 19:23.02 | G0A | Zolden Bitcoin is over 500$ |
| 19:27.17 | Zolden | lol |
| 19:27.21 | Zolden | motherfuckers |
| 19:39.29 | JademusSreg | I hate singleton patterns, but I enjoy this joke: https://pastee.org/mhvwv |
| 19:41.07 | A1win | (although it's not like the egg of something other than a chicken would grow up as a chicken) |
| 19:41.14 | A1win | err |
| 19:41.18 | A1win | that came out wrong |
| 19:41.27 | JademusSreg | HAha |
| 19:42.27 | A1win | it's not like the egg that has something other than a chicken would hatch and grow up into a chicken |
| 19:42.35 | A1win | +in it |
| 19:42.37 | A1win | :< |
| 19:42.46 | A1win | just can't get it right |
| 19:43.00 | Kueken | just say penis and be done with it |
| 19:43.06 | Kueken | everyone will understand |
| 19:43.16 | A1win | actually I don't even know where mutations happen |
| 19:43.24 | A1win | what if it mutates into a chicken inside the egg? |
| 19:43.45 | Kueken | some sort of chick-ception? |
| 19:44.00 | A1win | err, either way, egg comes first |
| 19:44.14 | A1win | because it certainly doesn't mutate into a chicken *after* it has hatched |
| 19:44.59 | JademusSreg | (For reference, it's the Bill Pugh solution for initializing the singleton instance, but I amuse myself by calling the nested class a ChickenEgg in code where I'm forced to employ the pattern.) |
| 19:45.03 | Kueken | Jade: I am not familiar enough with Java API to get the full perception of the joke |
| 19:45.08 | Kueken | but I get the idea |
| 19:45.31 | JademusSreg | Kueken: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singleton_pattern |
| 19:47.24 | Kueken | I symphathise with the concept: "The technique known as the initialization on demand holder idiom, is as lazy as possible" |
| 19:48.08 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:49.30 | Kueken | so basically, the very idea that did lead to the creation of this text prevents me from reading all of it |
| 19:49.33 | Kueken | paradox |
| 19:51.02 | JademusSreg | (I prefer the joke name ChickenEgg to numerous variant [SomeShittyClassInstance]Holder nested class names.) |
| 19:53.42 | Kueken | I always though I had a mind that cound understand abstract problems pretty well, yet I need ~5 minutes in average to even understand the sentences you produce |
| 19:53.47 | Kueken | *could |
| 19:54.22 | Kueken | not counting googling words :) |
| 19:56.45 | A1win | hmm... what next |
| 19:57.34 | A1win | need to figure out how to make this leveling system better... |
| 19:57.34 | Zolden | JademusSreg i'm facing a situation, where i should use function reference, so could you please link me one of your examples to see how to use that |
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| 20:00.33 | JademusSreg | Ah, sure, Zol. |
| 20:00.55 | JademusSreg | Here's my favorite example: https://pastee.org/bys92 |
| 20:01.00 | JademusSreg | I can provide more if needed. |
| 20:01.20 | JademusSreg | Ah, that paste is missing a usage example. |
| 20:04.39 | Zolden | JademusSreg what if i have multiple functions, how to define one reference type for all of them? |
| 20:06.01 | Zolden | they have equal return type and parameters, like "bool f_n(unit u)", where n is a number |
| 20:07.49 | Zolden | or it will work when functions are similar to prototype? |
| 20:09.26 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/8tfvm |
| 20:09.33 | JademusSreg | There's with a usage example. |
| 20:10.03 | Zolden | oh, i see, thanks |
| 20:10.28 | JademusSreg | Anyway, the prototype for a funcref must match, first and foremost. I use a typedef in the pastes for specificity and readability, but it's entirely optional. |
| 20:12.03 | JademusSreg | And unlike structref and arrayref, funcrefs can be used anywhere, global, local, structs, arrays, whatever. |
| 20:12.05 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 20:12.43 | Zolden | cool |
| 20:16.28 | A1win | changed stat bars a bit... shield border becomes dark grey with 0 shields, was red before |
| 20:16.44 | A1win | and health bar border is white with full health, otherwise has the same color as the bar |
| 20:16.54 | A1win | (was green border before even with full health) |
| 20:17.05 | A1win | so now both bar borders are regular white with full bar |
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| 21:42.30 | Zandose | what method would you use if you had to make a list of the angle from my unit to every unit on the map and then sort it. |
| 21:43.36 | A1win | if the number of units is unknown, I'd use a local data table as the data structure |
| 21:43.52 | A1win | store angles as list, use some sorting algorithm to sort the list |
| 21:44.20 | Zandose | was hoping their was a cheat or something |
| 21:44.40 | A1win | you can cheat by looking up the algorithm on wikipedia ;p |
| 21:45.08 | Zandose | so the hard way it is.... |
| 21:45.16 | Zandose | brute force method |
| 21:45.30 | A1win | what does that got to do with brute force? |
| 21:45.43 | A1win | no other way to sort but to use a sorting algorithm |
| 21:46.02 | Zandose | their are no "tricks" so i use the term "brute force" to mean i have to just use loops and sort it |
| 21:46.06 | A1win | even if it was a native function |
| 21:46.27 | A1win | so it's brute forcing the code, not using the code to brute force ;p |
| 21:46.54 | Zandose | btw do you know what algoritm to use? |
| 21:47.06 | Zandose | algorithm |
| 21:47.20 | A1win | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorting_algorithms |
| 21:47.38 | A1win | there's the comparison chart |
| 21:48.01 | A1win | bubble sort is easy to implement at least |
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| 21:49.05 | A1win | quicksort uses recursion to return lists, which might be painful to implement in SC2 script |
| 21:49.36 | A1win | though I suppose there are versions somewhere that don't use recursion |
| 21:49.52 | MoonEater916 | it can |
| 21:50.00 | MoonEater916 | you can use loops or recursion |
| 21:50.20 | Zandose | so for bubble sort... |
| 21:50.21 | MoonEater916 | loops tend be be alittle better because of stack overflows |
| 21:50.55 | Zandose | you out all the angles into a variable array, then run though it again and again, moving the larger number (of two items) up. |
| 21:50.59 | MoonEater916 | well zandose, is your data completly randomized |
| 21:51.04 | MoonEater916 | or just alittle out of order |
| 21:51.05 | A1win | recursive algorithms can always be converted to non-recursive and vice versa |
| 21:51.15 | MoonEater916 | are u using integers or are you using other types |
| 21:51.22 | Zandose | i'd guess about 100 angles (0-360) |
| 21:51.39 | Zandose | angles / reals |
| 21:51.42 | MoonEater916 | a1win yes but many times like with bubble sort it gets all ugly. |
| 21:51.53 | A1win | yea ;p |
| 21:51.55 | MoonEater916 | ok |
| 21:52.07 | MoonEater916 | are they out of order completly or somewhat? |
| 21:52.16 | Zandose | hmm |
| 21:52.26 | Zandose | i need to run a test to see what the game does. |
| 21:52.30 | Zandose | give me a while |
| 21:52.33 | MoonEater916 | well |
| 21:52.52 | MoonEater916 | so far ur looking at a radix sort and a quicksort, or swapsort |
| 21:53.07 | A1win | Zandose, do you need to sort it or just get the highest? because max/min algorithms are easier than sorting |
| 21:53.31 | Zandose | let me run a test first to see how to game sorts this out |
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| 21:59.19 | proprietarysucks | however on one building everything works but on the other buildings the icon for the unit training is a blue square and the wrong unit comes out |
| 21:59.34 | proprietarysucks | I've checked again and again, they are all set correctly as far as I can tell |
| 21:59.40 | proprietarysucks | what am I missing? |
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| 22:01.00 | proprietarysucks | it's a barracks, a bunker and a refinery, all with the same abils, except the barracks trains marine, the refinery trains firebat and the bunker trains marauder |
| 22:01.57 | proprietarysucks | also the auto build is screwed up, if I uncast the autocast, it still auto casts |
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| 22:06.02 | ArcanePariah | Zandose: in case you still need to use the algorithims, Blizzard created most of them, they are in the Built In Library as templates |
| 22:16.58 | proprietarysucks | am I making some kind of common mistake |
| 22:21.56 | JademusSreg | For those who enjoy Zerg and rigorous lore crafting: http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/11/after-50000-generations-bacteria-are-still-evolving-greater-fitness/ |
| 22:22.42 | proprietarysucks | Here, a clear question with xml: http://pastebin.com/kvvSw5pV <- why does this Bunker make a marine and show a weird blue icon in the train area? |
| 22:23.21 | A1win | the train icon is defined in the unit's actor I think |
| 22:24.42 | proprietarysucks | these are stock units, only thing changed is the cost |
| 22:25.24 | proprietarysucks | literally the only thing different about the marauder is minerals and vespene cost. marauder actor is stock |
| 22:25.38 | proprietarysucks | also, it makes the wrong unit and the autocast seems to do nothing |
| 22:25.45 | MoonEater916 | im back |
| 22:25.53 | proprietarysucks | that is, if I turn it off or on it doesn't affect the auto building |
| 22:26.26 | Bommes | "Evolution seems to be so efficient at getting rid of harmful mutations that they can safely be ignored." do they know the mechanism behind that? that seems like a pretty broad statement |
| 22:26.47 | Bommes | considering the article talks about just a single study/experiment |
| 22:27.19 | MoonEater916 | hey also kill off species with alot of harmful mutations |
| 22:27.21 | MoonEater916 | bwhahaha |
| 22:27.41 | proprietarysucks | I'm stumped |
| 22:27.52 | proprietarysucks | this seems like it would be such a simple ability but it doesn't work at all |
| 22:27.55 | ArcanePariah | Bommes: Harmful mutation leads to the organism dying before propagating, which removes the mutation from the gene pool. In general, a harmful mutation will causes an organism to either die before propagating, propagate offspring that die before propagating, or be sterile and unable to propagate at all |
| 22:29.28 | ArcanePariah | So overall, harmful mutation may last a single generation of an organism, and in the long scale of evolution, end up affecting very little. |
| 22:31.42 | Bommes | that would be majorly harmful mutations though, harmful mutations generally would include a lot of different types of mutations that still make the bacteria live on just normally, just as being adapted worse to the environment than before |
| 22:33.12 | Bommes | and thus producing less "offspring" than other cells, but given that these mildly harmful mutations should theoretically be very common I wonder why bacteria are so good at adapting to harsh environments even in just 5 orders of magnitudes of generations |
| 22:33.27 | Bommes | that said I have obviously no experience with data like that so maybe that's just how it is |
| 22:34.16 | Bommes | and the very rare good mutations are just really helpful when outcompeting other bacteria, even if they only happen to a very low probability |
| 22:34.58 | ArcanePariah | Well, bacteria have less possible mutations simply because they have a far simpler genetic structure, so there is less possible variations that can be produced from mutation |
| 22:36.23 | proprietarysucks | can you science nerds help me out |
| 22:36.31 | ArcanePariah | proprietarysucks: The issue with your ability is you have autocast set to on for all indexes. So the bunker is autocasting whatever it can. When you disable the Marauder one, it then sees the Marine one is still on (It is set to intially on) so it casts it |
| 22:36.51 | ArcanePariah | Even if you don't have a button, doesn't prevent the ability from being used |
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| 22:37.32 | proprietarysucks | I see, so basically I need to either do triggered auto build or do individual train abilities |
| 22:37.52 | proprietarysucks | or not do auto build :) |
| 22:37.56 | proprietarysucks | does that sound right? |
| 22:38.19 | proprietarysucks | or I could set auto build to not on initially and let player start it, that would make only the one they selected be on |
| 22:38.23 | proprietarysucks | that's kind of suck thogh |
| 22:39.43 | ArcanePariah | Yes, you will need to somehow make it so only one autobuild is occurring at once |
| 22:40.00 | proprietarysucks | you were right, it works when I do it manually, thanks smarty |
| 22:41.18 | MoonEater916 | ArcanePariah |
| 22:41.21 | MoonEater916 | help me a sec |
| 22:41.27 | ArcanePariah | Sup? |
| 22:41.28 | MoonEater916 | jade got me all confused |
| 22:41.34 | ArcanePariah | lol |
| 22:41.54 | MoonEater916 | well i have sprites that when they attack they proceed to execute a set of frames on a timer |
| 22:42.08 | MoonEater916 | somthing like event timer expired, set id, set timer |
| 22:42.36 | MoonEater916 | the thing is i want to stop the frames midway if the attack is done again |
| 22:43.43 | ArcanePariah | In the actor event, on event Attack Start -> Clear Animations (whatever animations are playing) and set the unit back to the beginning |
| 22:44.09 | MoonEater916 | its not a 3d animation |
| 22:44.12 | MoonEater916 | its a texture swap |
| 22:44.20 | MoonEater916 | and i just realized how to do it... |
| 22:44.20 | MoonEater916 | wow |
| 22:44.24 | MoonEater916 | XD |
| 22:44.35 | MoonEater916 | ur amazin arcanepariah |
| 22:44.45 | MoonEater916 | you put the answer telepathically into my mind |
| 22:44.49 | MoonEater916 | far out dude |
| 22:45.14 | MoonEater916 | so ur saying if i when the attack starts again if i just kill all the timers.... |
| 22:45.22 | MoonEater916 | thats right! |
| 22:45.25 | MoonEater916 | LO |
| 22:45.27 | MoonEater916 | :P |
| 22:47.47 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 22:48.06 | ArcanePariah | Standard units have a actor event that when they start moving, it clears their attack animations |
| 22:48.11 | ArcanePariah | Same concept |
| 22:54.35 | Zolden | guys, why an abil doesn't work in bnet (doesn't create the effect), but does in a local test? |
| 22:54.52 | Zolden | i don't fucking get it! |
| 23:00.40 | ArcanePariah | Welp... what is the ability? |
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| 23:11.18 | MoonEater916 | Zolden, is it trigger based? |
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| 23:24.25 | Zolden | it's data |
| 23:26.34 | Zolden | this is the abil: http://pastebin.com/Eu4UD9Mu |
| 23:26.38 | Zolden | what's wrong with it |
| 23:31.59 | MoonEater916 | so when u click it it activates constyardscansetdummy |
| 23:32.02 | MoonEater916 | and its not? |
| 23:32.07 | MoonEater916 | u sure constyardscansetdummy is correct? |
| 23:32.22 | Zolden | yea, it's all correct |
| 23:32.29 | Zolden | just doesn't run the effect |
| 23:32.35 | Zolden | but does locally |
| 23:33.03 | MoonEater916 | duno looks right |
| 23:33.12 | MoonEater916 | i think it might be a filter or somthign |
| 23:33.18 | MoonEater916 | but i dont see any |
| 23:44.01 | MoonEater916 | whats the command to debug actors? |
| 23:53.37 | MoonEater916 | Zolden |
| 23:53.39 | MoonEater916 | A1wun |
| 23:53.43 | MoonEater916 | ArcanePariah |
| 23:53.45 | MoonEater916 | Bommes |
| 23:53.49 | MoonEater916 | JademusSreg |
| 23:53.58 | MoonEater916 | Kueken |
| 23:55.01 | Kueken | ActorDumpLive? |
| 23:55.16 | MoonEater916 | kisses |
| 23:55.44 | MoonEater916 | wait |
| 23:55.53 | MoonEater916 | kueken i get a shit tone of errors?!? |
| 23:57.12 | MoonEater916 | Kueken, thats close im talking about the one thats always on screen showing me whatever i ahve selected |
| 23:57.56 | Kueken | no idea then |
| 23:58.16 | ArcanePariah | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/game/maps-and-mods/tutorials/actor/#best |
| 23:58.18 | MoonEater916 | Kueken, when u use it do u get messages in the error boxes? |
| 23:58.20 | ArcanePariah | Actor debugging |
