| 00:00.14 | Kueken | with a hint of burp |
| 00:01.12 | Shaolinburper | Kueken, the exact it on ahli |
| 00:01.31 | Stewox | dunno that, but look here a perfect pic i just came across https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYxGsL8CAAE3aTi.png |
| 00:01.50 | Stewox | that could be a big eyeopener |
| 00:02.02 | Stewox | ah damn wrong channel xD |
| 00:02.53 | Stewox | Ahli, here ? |
| 00:03.33 | Stewox | he's EU or US ? |
| 00:09.20 | Ahli | I'm EU, but that doesn't matter :D |
| 00:10.23 | DeadZergling | nice that it doesn't anymore, that was weak sauce having to get EU or US specific testers, new SC2s just to publish your map globally, etc. |
| 00:11.57 | DeadZergling | lol, such a bad satellite view of this building: http://cheezburger.com/7892553216 |
| 00:13.25 | Stewox | i thought i added you ahli |
| 00:13.29 | Stewox | so i was looking in chats |
| 00:14.21 | Stewox | holy shit deadzergling that's one in a million holy smoking shit that was so funny |
| 00:14.38 | Stewox | so ahli want to try new patch ? |
| 00:15.01 | Ahli | new patch == balance changes? |
| 00:15.19 | Ahli | or the PTR? |
| 00:15.44 | Kueken | DeadZergling: Christian church, and water burst at just the right location? Looks fabricated to me |
| 00:16.05 | Stewox | whatever is the latest or what |
| 00:16.13 | DeadZergling | Christian Science is considered a cult by the church, actually |
| 00:16.20 | Stewox | i don't have PTR |
| 00:16.27 | Stewox | not sure how to get it |
| 00:16.34 | Stewox | they had it but they got rid of it |
| 00:16.42 | Stewox | afaik |
| 00:16.58 | Ahli | new ptr accessible through new bnet launcher app comes this week |
| 00:17.06 | Ahli | most likely after maintenance this week |
| 00:17.11 | DeadZergling | anyways, needing things to be 'real' to be funny, is a bad place to be in |
| 00:17.27 | DeadZergling | made up stuff is often the best stuff |
| 00:19.03 | Stewox | so what is this patch up or not ? |
| 00:19.16 | Stewox | since you asked you want to test |
| 00:20.05 | Ahli | a1win was looking for testers for his space shooter map |
| 00:20.18 | Stewox | i was talking about the new patch |
| 00:20.26 | Stewox | testing the new map changes or what they have going |
| 00:20.28 | Stewox | right ? |
| 00:21.54 | Ahli | the previously tested changes were applied. Notable is that the siege tank's attack period was only buffed by about 6% |
| 00:23.02 | Stewox | okay |
| 00:23.07 | Stewox | how do I test them |
| 00:23.13 | Stewox | right now |
| 00:24.21 | Ahli | you just play on US bnet? |
| 00:24.33 | Stewox | no |
| 00:24.37 | Stewox | Im eu |
| 00:24.45 | Stewox | but since we can choose any other regions |
| 00:28.27 | Stewox | hello |
| 00:28.29 | Stewox | ? |
| 00:28.38 | Stewox | how do I test this patch ? |
| 00:28.40 | Stewox | anyone |
| 00:28.45 | Stewox | kueken ? |
| 00:28.50 | Ahli | you've answered it yourself |
| 00:28.55 | Ahli | also, it's not a patch |
| 00:29.03 | Stewox | i want to test it right now |
| 00:29.09 | Stewox | im in the game |
| 00:29.14 | Stewox | what do i need to do ? |
| 00:29.21 | Ahli | play a game :X |
| 00:29.29 | Stewox | i don't have hots and I don't have PTR |
| 00:29.35 | Stewox | and I don't have the patch ofcourse |
| 00:29.41 | Stewox | it's still 2.0.11 |
| 00:29.45 | Stewox | so where it is ? |
| 00:30.04 | Ahli | "also, it's not a patch" |
| 00:30.17 | Ahli | Blizzard can stream balance changes into your client |
| 00:30.18 | Stewox | play a game "X" |
| 00:30.22 | Stewox | what is that game X ? |
| 00:30.28 | Kueken | :X |
| 00:30.30 | Ahli | :X is an emote |
| 00:30.31 | Kueken | its a smiley |
| 00:30.53 | Stewox | this balance changes apply also to WOL ? |
| 00:31.05 | Kueken | Stewox, the balance changes are live right now, you do not need to download a patch for them to take effect |
| 00:31.30 | Stewox | live for WOL as well ? |
| 00:31.31 | Kueken | not sure about that, WoL balance is handled individually, I believe |
| 00:31.39 | Kueken | so probably not |
| 00:31.49 | Stewox | then i can't unless someone spawns me |
| 00:32.07 | Stewox | which i what I said I would join |
| 00:32.10 | Stewox | in the first place |
| 00:32.12 | Kueken | WoL might not even receive these changes at all |
| 00:32.40 | A1win | no reason to keep balancing WoL really |
| 00:33.11 | Stewox | well I kind of not going to brainstorm at night, I'm getter getting off to sleep, because I keep discussing something for 30 mins that it should took 30 secs |
| 00:33.39 | Stewox | not good for my nerves |
| 00:42.34 | A1win | you should level up your conversation skill |
| 00:45.37 | A1win | hmm... if I put a nice picture on loading screen, it won't look odd that the menu is off-center (which it needs to be to trick players into moving mouse away from center axis) |
| 00:45.57 | A1win | err not loading screen |
| 00:46.01 | A1win | in game start screen |
| 00:46.49 | DeadZergling | how much longer you gonna be about A1win? curious about your map :P |
| 00:47.12 | A1win | maybe an hour or so |
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| 00:48.00 | DeadZergling | looks like I miss it again! |
| 00:48.43 | DeadZergling | you might be about again when I'm on late at night though |
| 00:49.10 | A1win | :> |
| 00:49.37 | A1win | how long would I need to stay? |
| 00:50.00 | DeadZergling | Probably too long, won't realistically be on for 3 1/2 hours at least |
| 00:50.11 | DeadZergling | be easier to just sleep and be up again sooner, lol |
| 00:50.54 | DeadZergling | gotta go for a couple hours now anyways, have to do some actual work at work again |
| 00:50.56 | A1win | ;I |
| 00:51.29 | DeadZergling | no worries A1win, just wanting to actually mess around on it for once instead of just give you crap :) |
| 00:51.37 | DeadZergling | no biggy if I can't mess around on it |
| 00:51.39 | A1win | heh |
| 00:52.05 | DeadZergling | besides, once I mess around on a game |
| 00:52.14 | DeadZergling | my amount of comments/opinions on it goes up exponentially |
| 00:52.29 | A1win | is that a bad thing? ;p |
| 00:52.38 | DeadZergling | depends if you find them useful or not! |
| 00:54.51 | A1win | mmh I should get someone to draw some concept art for this, would be easier to make models afterwards |
| 00:55.35 | Zolden | A1win if you find such a person, name it to me, i will need a concept art maker too soon |
| 00:56.57 | A1win | I have some friends who do 2D art, I'll see if any of them is interested |
| 00:57.49 | Ahli | as Blizzard would change WoL's balance :D |
| 01:05.45 | A1win | I should come up with a name before I come up with an artstyle though... |
| 01:06.21 | A1win | they go often hand in hand |
| 01:12.27 | Zolden | "gravity wars"? |
| 01:12.52 | A1win | that sounds like wars about gravity |
| 01:13.11 | A1win | "in the year 2753, the supply of gravity was running low" |
| 01:13.12 | Zolden | call it "speed of life" |
| 01:13.21 | A1win | :P |
| 01:13.23 | Zolden | or "Above speed of life" |
| 01:13.31 | Zolden | it's funny and original |
| 01:14.00 | Zolden | maybe use a name that would reference some older games of this genre |
| 01:14.21 | A1win | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7WUvPCg-ic |
| 01:15.10 | Zolden | ok "star wings" |
| 01:15.20 | A1win | so many hours spent on that game in late 90s ;p |
| 01:15.27 | Zolden | or "orbit wings" |
| 01:15.33 | A1win | it had guns that can create ground |
| 01:15.37 | A1win | so we built bases and shit |
| 01:15.40 | A1win | like in minecraft |
| 01:15.43 | A1win | but in the 90s |
| 01:15.43 | A1win | D: |
| 01:16.01 | A1win | you don't need wings in space :P |
| 01:16.04 | Zolden | I thought about a map for sc2 with destructible 3d landscape |
| 01:16.13 | Zolden | and i'll make one after they improve terrain modiofiers |
| 01:16.22 | A1win | yeah I did too ;p |
| 01:16.41 | Zolden | ok "space pigs on the wings" |
| 01:16.47 | Zolden | pigs need wings even in sapce |
| 01:16.54 | A1win | :x |
| 01:17.39 | Zolden | "Intersolar conflict" |
| 01:18.04 | Zolden | still "star wars" is pretty precise |
| 01:18.11 | Zolden | and art from star wars |
| 01:18.14 | Zolden | and fuck all |
| 01:18.40 | A1win | there are no stars in the game :P |
| 01:19.02 | Zolden | "Event horizon" |
| 01:19.05 | Zolden | gravity related |
| 01:19.09 | Zolden | sounds cool |
| 01:19.14 | A1win | I think there already is a game with that name |
| 01:19.17 | A1win | or something at least |
| 01:19.27 | Zolden | a movie |
| 01:19.32 | A1win | yeah |
| 01:20.32 | Zolden | "Peak of heat" |
| 01:21.14 | Zolden | "Relatively deadly" |
| 01:21.35 | JademusSreg | "Ultra-Legend Cosmic Space-God Omega-War" |
| 01:21.59 | Zolden | or anothir one: "Above the speed of fight" |
| 01:22.02 | JademusSreg | With the subtitle: "Stop taking shit so seriously, srsly" |
| 01:22.12 | A1win | ;p |
| 01:22.22 | A1win | but I can't even come up with non-serious names that sound good |
| 01:22.28 | Zolden | JademusSreg try it first, it's a serious game! |
| 01:22.42 | JademusSreg | "Best Name For a Space Game" |
| 01:22.45 | JademusSreg | Done. |
| 01:22.50 | JademusSreg | Nailed it. |
| 01:22.53 | A1win | :P |
| 01:22.59 | A1win | nailed it a bit too hard |
| 01:23.10 | JademusSreg | That's just how I do it, baby. |
| 01:23.38 | Zolden | call it "nail it" |
| 01:23.50 | Zolden | or just "!" |
| 01:23.55 | A1win | Pew! |
| 01:23.56 | JademusSreg | Anyway, name it whatever, hardly matters. |
| 01:23.58 | Zolden | yea! |
| 01:24.04 | Zolden | i like pew |
| 01:24.08 | JademusSreg | "Pew!" is good. |
| 01:24.09 | A1win | but one pew doesn't do it |
| 01:24.23 | A1win | unless it's a very loud pew |
| 01:24.31 | Zolden | "overpew" |
| 01:24.31 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 01:24.34 | A1win | p-p-p-p-pew |
| 01:24.48 | Zolden | pew in space |
| 01:25.45 | Zolden | PEW: Pew Eventially Wins |
| 01:25.50 | JademusSreg | Pews In Space |
| 01:26.29 | JademusSreg | Bonus points for the Mel Brooks movie reference, |
| 01:26.32 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:26.36 | JademusSreg | brb++ |
| 01:26.53 | A1win | pew pew, you're dead |
| 01:27.08 | Zolden | you pewnd |
| 01:27.22 | A1win | death by pew |
| 01:28.49 | A1win | I Love Pew |
| 01:30.33 | A1win | Pew Pew! looks odd |
| 01:30.55 | A1win | Pew Pew is too generic |
| 01:31.14 | A1win | Pew! is best so far but it lacks... something ;p |
| 01:31.41 | A1win | perhaps something other than pew |
| 01:31.43 | A1win | *else |
| 01:33.58 | Kueken | wtf are you talking about? |
| 01:34.01 | A1win | :P |
| 01:34.02 | Kueken | and don't say pew |
| 01:34.07 | A1win | trying to come up with a name for this map |
| 01:34.39 | Kueken | if its pew-related, ask Jade, he will come up with something eloquent and elaborate |
| 01:34.46 | Kueken | but you did that already |
| 01:35.10 | Kueken | I can just do pew-nis |
| 01:35.22 | Kueken | and Bnet won't allow that |
| 01:35.27 | A1win | ;> |
| 01:35.43 | A1win | doesn't have to be pew related |
| 01:36.03 | Kueken | is it your gravity map thingy? |
| 01:36.07 | A1win | yeah |
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| 01:44.43 | A1win | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrust_(video_game)# |
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| 01:45.53 | A1win | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitar |
| 01:47.21 | A1win | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XPilot |
| 01:47.39 | A1win | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oids |
| 01:48.08 | A1win | well that's a clever name ;p |
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| 01:49.54 | A1win | just like when everyone else shortened automobils as "auto", the swedes went ahead and a card is now called "en bil" |
| 01:50.02 | A1win | *a car |
| 01:54.36 | EmperorZolden | this week's family guy is fucking good |
| 01:56.36 | A1win | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Lander_(arcade_game)# ah this one's even older |
| 01:58.18 | Kueken | call it Gravity's Eclipse :p |
| 01:58.32 | Kueken | also, I am bad with names so don't listen to me |
| 01:58.45 | A1win | everyone's bad at names |
| 01:59.56 | A1win | otherwise there'd be a "name inventor" profession |
| 02:00.19 | Ahli | Pew'n'stars |
| 02:00.21 | A1win | (probably called something else) |
| 02:01.12 | A1win | there were two finnish cave flyer games called "Kops!" (translated as "Boink!" or something) and followed by game called "Auts!" ("Ouch!") |
| 02:01.25 | A1win | or I guess Clonk! is closer to Kops! |
| 02:02.40 | Ahli | Clonk is a game with small units that you can control. you can dig and build stuff |
| 02:02.48 | A1win | yeah I know |
| 02:02.59 | A1win | but just trying to translate the word ;p |
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| 02:03.27 | A1win | it's basically the sound you get by hitting wood |
| 02:03.32 | Thordmin | hello |
| 02:03.59 | Thordmin | how can i hide units to appear through fog of war? |
| 02:04.12 | A1win | from appearing? |
| 02:04.26 | A1win | in their actor, there is a fog of war visibility field |
| 02:04.38 | Thordmin | it is hidden |
| 02:04.45 | A1win | ah right |
| 02:04.48 | Thordmin | but i can see where they are shooting from |
| 02:04.58 | Thordmin | i dont want that |
| 02:05.13 | Thordmin | i |
| 02:05.15 | A1win | there's an actor or something for that, the default is defined in game settings data |
| 02:05.41 | A1win | oh it's just a value |
| 02:05.47 | A1win | in data editor |
| 02:05.58 | A1win | Edit Advanced Data - Gameplay Data |
| 02:06.16 | A1win | there in Default SC2 Gameplay Settings there's "Combat: Reveal Time - Attack" field |
| 02:06.20 | A1win | which is 3 by default |
| 02:06.37 | A1win | ah there's also Combat: Attack Reveal Behavior |
| 02:06.54 | A1win | which you can probably just change to None |
| 02:06.55 | A1win | (None) |
| 02:07.07 | A1win | mmh actually can't |
| 02:07.11 | Thordmin | awesome! |
| 02:07.13 | A1win | but you could make a custom behavior I guess |
| 02:07.15 | Thordmin | it works perfectly |
| 02:08.15 | Thordmin | im working on a warstyle mod which basicly modifies sc 2 units to a more strategy oriented gameplay |
| 02:08.30 | Thordmin | so making ambushes are a big factor |
| 02:08.32 | Thordmin | thank you |
| 02:14.23 | Ahli | mugen has no battle.net :X does he map in a hacked game? |
| 02:16.11 | JademusSreg | Is it just me or is the audio on the Sigaty interview fucked? http://youtu.be/RURHSfqI1ew |
| 02:16.54 | Triceron | i can hear but it seems mono? |
| 02:17.27 | Triceron | only L channel in my headphones |
| 02:17.44 | JademusSreg | Argh. |
| 02:18.05 | JademusSreg | Thanks for confirming and/or having broken headphones. |
| 02:18.18 | Triceron | not broken, music works on my side |
| 02:18.26 | JademusSreg | </jocularity> |
| 02:19.12 | Ahli | yes, video's sound is terrible |
| 02:19.25 | JademusSreg | I blame Maurice Lange. |
| 02:20.13 | Ahli | yes... if Blizzard had send us (inStarCraft) that wouldn't have happened |
| 02:21.11 | Kueken | you just have broken ears |
| 02:25.49 | Ahli | http://en.twitch.tv/directory/game/StarCraft%20II%3A%20Legacy%20of%20the%20Void twitch already thinks legacy of the void exists |
| 02:29.07 | Triceron | it does |
| 02:29.10 | Triceron | in our hearts |
| 02:30.10 | Ahli | well, I don't think the developers stream their testing sessions |
| 02:30.20 | Ahli | would be interesting, though |
| 02:30.33 | Triceron | they did some early battle reports of SC2 |
| 02:30.36 | Triceron | during dev |
| 02:30.53 | Triceron | man, those games were so differnt from the released SC2 too, haha |
| 02:31.07 | A1win | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.22 | A1win | the first time I saw a proxy pylon I was like "o_O" |
| 02:32.26 | DeadZergling | you still awake I see A1win |
| 02:32.45 | A1win | I'm in bed |
| 02:32.57 | A1win | with my android |
| 02:33.06 | Triceron | is she hot? |
| 02:33.07 | DeadZergling | didn't say where you were |
| 02:33.13 | A1win | if you know what I mean |
| 02:33.14 | DeadZergling | just that you are awake |
| 02:33.40 | Triceron | if you had an android, you'd be up too |
| 02:33.44 | DeadZergling | pick out a name you like yet A1win? |
| 02:33.51 | A1win | nope |
| 02:34.24 | DeadZergling | Cats in Space, the return of Pew Pew Lasers! |
| 02:34.35 | A1win | didn't pick one I don't like either |
| 02:34.51 | Triceron | what kind of map and name are you thinking of? |
| 02:35.12 | A1win | 2D space deathmatch |
| 02:35.31 | DeadZergling | Kill Space |
| 02:35.40 | Triceron | Sudden Death |
| 02:36.24 | A1win | I linked som oldschool games of the genre earlier |
| 02:36.41 | DeadZergling | Trouble is, most the 'good' names would be plagiarism |
| 02:36.45 | Triceron | that lunar lander thing? |
| 02:37.36 | A1win | one of them yeah |
| 02:38.12 | A1win | I have a video on youtube but too lazy to link on phone |
| 02:38.13 | Triceron | call it Rush 'n Attack |
| 02:38.20 | DeadZergling | heh, now wouldn't that add a difficult element to the game |
| 02:38.25 | DeadZergling | the ability to change your Z plane too |
| 02:38.39 | A1win | ;> |
| 02:40.41 | DeadZergling | Super Gravity Destroyers |
| 02:41.06 | Triceron | I feel like that name needs a 'Brothers' in it |
| 02:41.48 | DeadZergling | Don't want them to take the map name too seriously. |
| 02:42.28 | DeadZergling | sure you have seen map names that take themselves WAY too seriously. |
| 02:42.55 | A1win | yeah |
| 02:43.06 | DeadZergling | here is a fun one |
| 02:43.07 | DeadZergling | My Space |
| 02:43.15 | A1win | still it should sound good |
| 02:43.25 | Triceron | Gravity Attack |
| 02:43.33 | DeadZergling | You have claimed all of space as yours, pew pew the others away in My Space |
| 02:43.39 | Triceron | Attack on Myspace |
| 02:44.07 | A1win | My Little Planet: Gravity Is Magic |
| 02:44.29 | DeadZergling | yea, recycling that one I told you already now :) |
| 02:44.51 | A1win | ;p |
| 02:45.05 | A1win | just bringing it back up |
| 02:45.23 | DeadZergling | although every pony really should listen to all my ideas very seriously! |
| 02:46.38 | DeadZergling | anyways, off to microwave food, back later, just try to go for a fun name A1win |
| 02:46.41 | DeadZergling | one people can remember |
| 02:46.53 | A1win | yeah... |
| 02:47.09 | DeadZergling | they would definitely remember My Space |
| 02:47.32 | A1win | not for the right reasons |
| 02:54.02 | A1win | hmm I wonder if I should make a button for sucking in pickups, since you won't want to pick up all of them |
| 02:55.07 | A1win | a bit annoying when a weapon you don't want keeps chasing you |
| 02:57.38 | DeadZergling | noticed health chasing you in your last video too |
| 02:59.30 | A1win | "Einstein developed a theory about space and it was about time too" |
| 03:01.09 | Ahli | Space, it's about time. -Professor Tychus |
| 03:17.24 | A1win | dunno if I even need the chasing pickups anymore now that the ships are so slow |
| 03:20.19 | Triceron | so your map is ship battles on a 2D plane? |
| 03:20.35 | Triceron | with floating powerups? |
| 03:21.02 | A1win | yeah, sort of |
| 03:25.25 | A1win | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuOO37PtS_o |
| 03:25.58 | Triceron | "Starchasers" |
| 03:26.10 | Triceron | that's the name that comes to me when i see this |
| 03:26.14 | A1win | that's from a bit older version |
| 03:27.27 | Triceron | i like the projectie collision |
| 03:28.08 | Triceron | looks a lot like a game i used to play on the dreamcast, "Armada' |
| 03:31.22 | A1win | starchasers is not too bad, but doesn't really feel right either |
| 03:32.04 | Triceron | I guess "Starfighters" would just be too generic |
| 03:32.22 | A1win | mm... |
| 03:33.11 | A1win | there also are no stars other than in the background |
| 03:33.48 | Triceron | if you wanted to be literal, sure |
| 03:34.11 | A1win | not that there are stars in SC either |
| 03:34.19 | Triceron | it was more a description of the ships |
| 03:34.39 | A1win | dunno |
| 03:35.24 | A1win | I'll also want a new art style for it |
| 03:36.01 | A1win | not exactly sure what direction that should take either |
| 03:39.19 | DeadZergling | I'm headed home now anywho |
| 03:39.23 | DeadZergling | and A1win is still awake! |
| 03:39.39 | DeadZergling | be around in about an hour probably |
| 03:40.02 | Triceron | go 8 bit |
| 03:40.02 | A1win | about to fall asleep |
| 03:40.06 | Segabyte | exacts vengeance on Ahli with his gaylover A1win |
| 03:40.08 | Triceron | retro is in |
| 03:40.34 | Triceron | and you can replace all the sound fx with bleeps and bloops |
| 03:40.43 | A1win | 8 bit 3D? ;p |
| 03:41.00 | Triceron | minecraft jaggy polygon planets |
| 03:41.54 | Triceron | 'Retronauts' |
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| 03:43.48 | A1win | I've been thinking of a sort of a smooth miniature plastic look |
| 03:44.30 | Triceron | http://spaceship.brainiac.com/Misc6/Mercurybioships.jpg |
| 03:44.33 | Triceron | kinda like those? |
| 03:44.52 | Triceron | http://www.cke1st.com/Photos/flt_eds.jpg |
| 03:45.09 | A1win | nah don't mean figures |
| 03:45.51 | A1win | maybe a bit lile what Apple does with its devices |
| 03:46.00 | A1win | like even |
| 03:46.05 | Segabyte | A1win, jos niin paljon vaaditaan, saanko olla milloinkaan mä minä vaan? |
| 03:46.06 | Triceron | oh you mean just shiny space ships |
| 03:46.08 | Triceron | shiny clean |
| 03:46.15 | A1win | yeah |
| 03:46.48 | Segabyte | YOU PEOPLE NEV ER GVE ME ATTENTION ANY MORE >< |
| 03:46.49 | Segabyte | t |
| 03:46.52 | Segabyte | 's not fair |
| 03:46.56 | Triceron | who are you? |
| 03:46.58 | A1win | with "large detail" like in those health pickup models |
| 03:47.30 | Segabyte | Triceron, I am Ryan Winzen, the famed developer behind StarCraft Universe who stole a lot of money from the community and doesn't keep them updated |
| 03:47.40 | Segabyte | #landOfBrokenPromses |
| 03:47.49 | Triceron | You know I worked with him? |
| 03:47.58 | Segabyte | Triceron, yes, I recall you now. |
| 03:48.09 | Segabyte | You were that douche with whose boyfriend I slept but never told. |
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| 03:48.41 | A1win | the health pickup models are very close to the style I had in mind actually |
| 03:48.57 | Triceron | those are the blizzard models right? |
| 03:49.04 | A1win | yeah |
| 03:49.15 | A1win | from secret mission |
| 03:49.24 | Segabyte | Why would you all not give me attention >< |
| 03:49.26 | Segabyte | This is not fair |
| 03:50.19 | A1win | go do something that deserves attention |
| 03:50.51 | A1win | I'll try to catch some sleep now |
| 03:51.02 | Triceron | later A1win |
| 03:52.09 | Segabyte | hyvää yötä |
| 03:52.21 | Segabyte | Triceron, do you know how to do something that deserves attention? |
| 04:13.29 | Repo | New experimental map: TheEscape - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/the-escape/ |
| 04:13.30 | Repo | New experimental map: Die or Survive - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/dyb/ |
| 04:15.48 | Repo | New asset: Perdition Turret Arbitrary Attack Command - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/perdition-turret-arbitraryatkcmd/ |
| 04:15.49 | Repo | New asset: warcraft - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/warcraft/ |
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| 05:06.04 | Ahli | hmm using hots story dependency is... trigger-error-some |
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| 07:21.34 | EntityEnigma | How do i get the melee weapon to display as a weapon in game for a roach |
| 07:21.44 | EntityEnigma | its hidden but idk how to unflag it |
| 07:28.31 | Ahli | you... uncheck the flag in the weapon that is labeled as "hidden" ? |
| 07:29.51 | EntityEnigma | where is that flag |
| 07:30.14 | EntityEnigma | oh i think i know what you mean |
| 07:31.01 | Ahli | Weapon -> Options -> "Hidden" |
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| 07:39.14 | EntityEnigma | found it |
| 07:39.15 | EntityEnigma | thx |
| 07:39.30 | EntityEnigma | i was looking for a feild called flags or something |
| 07:39.34 | EntityEnigma | didnt know it was in options |
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| 07:55.05 | Bounty | Pew :) |
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| 08:03.26 | EntityEnigma | how do you set up a weapon tool tip to display custom names and damage amounts/ |
| 08:03.30 | EntityEnigma | ? |
| 08:03.53 | MoonEater916 | i dont think u can |
| 08:04.09 | MoonEater916 | but there are some special text commands that might |
| 08:06.08 | EntityEnigma | Maybe tooltip under weapon |
| 08:07.07 | Bounty | pew pew |
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| 08:11.08 | ArcanePariah | EntityEnigma: In the weapon data, you can specify which damage effect to display, it does not need be the same as what actually happens. As for changing things like Damage -> Value, and Armored : Value, you can change it somewhat |
| 08:11.30 | EntityEnigma | aah |
| 08:11.45 | ArcanePariah | By altering the text values for the hardcoded Text ID's. Go into text module and look under Core.SC2Mod, to filter to the base text, and there you can alter the text |
| 08:16.58 | DeadZergling | my map needs to quit making me sad |
| 08:17.02 | EntityEnigma | awesome fixed it |
| 08:17.09 | EntityEnigma | lol |
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| 08:30.45 | Bounty | Bommes <3 |
| 08:30.47 | Bounty | mah man |
| 08:32.53 | DeadZergling | the whole map and mod not working together thing is a real detriment to progress |
| 08:34.07 | Bounty | You know my boss said all map maker should get together and form a union against Blizzard? haha |
| 08:34.24 | Bounty | Just a thought Deadzergling |
| 08:34.34 | Bounty | Because I agree with what you're saying |
| 08:34.53 | Bounty | I don't think most of our community understands what we represent. |
| 08:35.13 | ArcanePariah | *Chuckles* That's pretty much the way with more tech people |
| 08:35.18 | ArcanePariah | most* |
| 08:35.31 | Bounty | But it should not have to be that way |
| 08:35.44 | ArcanePariah | Because for better or worse, what we do is considered magic |
| 08:35.48 | Bounty | If the content we produce sucks, don't pay for it |
| 08:35.53 | Bounty | basic capitalism rules |
| 08:36.08 | ArcanePariah | Captilism does not deal well with things that have 0 marginal cost |
| 08:36.12 | Bounty | Yeah, people think we spend an hour a day for 3 days doing this shit |
| 08:36.21 | Bounty | Yes it does |
| 08:36.27 | Bounty | Intellectual capital |
| 08:36.31 | Bounty | Which we're moving towards |
| 08:36.34 | Bounty | Get used to it |
| 08:36.52 | Bounty | We are so privileged to be in the transition period |
| 08:36.54 | Bounty | >.< |
| 08:37.11 | ArcanePariah | Oh I am, but it makes pricing stuff incredibly difficult. Why is MySQL or Postgres cost nothing purchase, let to use Oracle database software costs 6 - 8 figures? |
| 08:37.30 | ArcanePariah | How does one determine the cost of intangibles? |
| 08:37.32 | Bounty | That is true |
| 08:37.40 | Bounty | I agree bro |
| 08:37.52 | Bounty | It is incredibly difficult to price creativity. |
| 08:38.00 | Bounty | but at the same time |
| 08:38.05 | Bounty | Does that make it worth nothing |
| 08:38.08 | Bounty | The answer is no |
| 08:38.45 | Bounty | I am against capitalism in its current state for the most part BUT I will be the first to admit that it could work if the public were more informed |
| 08:39.01 | Bounty | Which I believe is referred to as Intellectual Capitalism |
| 08:39.02 | ArcanePariah | Indeed. AS one person said, not sure who, but it went like "Linux is free as long as your time is worth nothing" |
| 08:39.12 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 08:39.18 | Bounty | such a good point |
| 08:39.28 | Bounty | If time = money |
| 08:39.29 | ArcanePariah | A somewhat related story |
| 08:39.32 | Bounty | As 99% of people say |
| 08:39.35 | Bounty | then wtf? |
| 08:39.47 | Bounty | I'm not saying we should be able to making a living off of this |
| 08:39.52 | Bounty | 'but still |
| 08:40.04 | Bounty | You pay for a 8 hour campaign from Blizzard |
| 08:40.08 | Bounty | but we can provide much more |
| 08:40.16 | Bounty | and you pay much less than $60 |
| 08:40.24 | Bounty | in that you pay nothing |
| 08:40.29 | Bounty | and we get no respect |
| 08:40.32 | Bounty | just saying! :) |
| 08:40.35 | ArcanePariah | A machine breaks down at a factory. In a rush to fix it, the management hires a consultant to come repair the machine. The consultant comes in, speaks to the maanger, then to the foremen and the workers, examines the machine, grabs a hammer, strikes one place and the machine roared to life |
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| 08:41.01 | ArcanePariah | Later the factory gets a bill of 1000 USD. Management is outraged, for the consultant had been there maybe 2 hours |
| 08:41.05 | Bounty | Not sure I understand ArcanePariah |
| 08:41.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:41.20 | ArcanePariah | The consultant asks if they want an itemized bill, they say yes |
| 08:41.44 | ArcanePariah | THe bill reads as follows: Hitting the machine, 1 USD, knowing where to hit the machine, 999 USD |
| 08:41.47 | Bounty | I think you're heading towards a more "Determining price" thing |
| 08:41.54 | Bounty | yeah |
| 08:41.57 | Bounty | Ok, I get it haha |
| 08:42.04 | Bounty | I agree dude |
| 08:42.14 | Bounty | In our current system it is insanely difficult to determine price |
| 08:42.26 | Bounty | An easy way to solve it is we determine out own price |
| 08:42.30 | Bounty | our* |
| 08:42.44 | Bounty | How would this solve it? |
| 08:43.03 | Bounty | Very easy, you have a trial period for our games, if the game sucks they won't pay the price |
| 08:43.13 | ArcanePariah | That used to be done |
| 08:43.15 | Bounty | If they find it to be valuable, they will pay it |
| 08:43.16 | ArcanePariah | Shareware |
| 08:43.21 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 08:43.27 | Bounty | Why should it not apply to mods |
| 08:43.38 | Bounty | People think mods are done in 2 hours |
| 08:43.49 | DeadZergling | you mean they take longer than that? |
| 08:43.51 | Bounty | Just another example of how people take things for granted |
| 08:43.56 | ArcanePariah | However, the intractable issue at the time was that if you truly seperate the free from the paid content, you need to maintain servers for both |
| 08:44.19 | ArcanePariah | And also, once again, you are trying to impose artifical scarcity on a medium whose primary design is to NOT have scarcity |
| 08:44.24 | Bounty | Simple comparison dude |
| 08:44.35 | Bounty | Compare SC2 arcade when SC2 was young and first came out |
| 08:44.37 | Bounty | to now |
| 08:44.43 | Bounty | in terms of new ideas and creativity |
| 08:44.47 | ArcanePariah | Computers, in my humble opinion, really do 3 things. Create Data, Store Data, Process Data |
| 08:45.16 | Bounty | I am not imposing artificial scarcity |
| 08:45.23 | Bounty | I am imposing creativity scarcity |
| 08:45.49 | Bounty | How are we to know what greatness would have presented itself within the editor could it have made a few bucks on the side? |
| 08:46.04 | ArcanePariah | The arcade has matured, it has better implementations. Ideas are a dime a dozen, implementing them is difficult beyond belief, and too many people expected it to be easy, when they failed to recognize that things like DotA were an exception, not the norm |
| 08:46.18 | Bounty | lol I disagree |
| 08:46.33 | Bounty | implementing any idea you have is more simple than you think within the editor |
| 08:46.37 | ArcanePariah | In general, economic incentives rarely are necessary or wanted for creative endevaors |
| 08:46.52 | ArcanePariah | Back to knowing where to hit the machine example |
| 08:46.59 | ArcanePariah | When you know, it is indeed trivial and easy |
| 08:47.05 | Bounty | I don't think there is a single crazy idea i've had I could not replicate within the editor |
| 08:47.07 | ArcanePariah | When you don't... have fun, see you in a month |
| 08:47.30 | ArcanePariah | Oh absolutlely, I constantly dream up how I would reimplement any number of dota abilites in the editor |
| 08:47.32 | Bounty | I taught myself personally |
| 08:47.42 | Bounty | trial and error |
| 08:47.50 | ArcanePariah | That by itself, is unusual |
| 08:47.50 | Bounty | BUT |
| 08:47.59 | Bounty | that is not to say I am against help from the community |
| 08:48.02 | ArcanePariah | Most do not have the patience or persistence or the intelligence to pursue self taught |
| 08:48.08 | Bounty | oh dude |
| 08:48.11 | Bounty | trust me |
| 08:48.14 | Bounty | when I first opened the editor |
| 08:48.17 | Bounty | I rage quit |
| 08:48.19 | Bounty | haha |
| 08:48.35 | Bounty | but I was so intent on creating what I wanted I just learned it |
| 08:48.40 | ArcanePariah | LOL, same, although the next time I opened it, to start working on this map, I had no clue wtf I was doing |
| 08:48.52 | ArcanePariah | Well in that case, you have something many people lack |
| 08:48.54 | Bounty | haha same |
| 08:49.01 | Bounty | I personally went from SC1 Editor to SC2 |
| 08:49.03 | Bounty | no in between |
| 08:49.05 | ArcanePariah | Determination + Vision |
| 08:49.07 | Bounty | shit was crazy |
| 08:49.07 | ArcanePariah | Ouch... |
| 08:49.13 | ArcanePariah | I heard that was.. .brutal |
| 08:49.21 | Bounty | SC1 to SC2? |
| 08:49.30 | Bounty | Depends on how you see things really |
| 08:49.36 | DeadZergling | same as me Bounty |
| 08:49.37 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, since the entire data editor is something you would had to learn from scratch |
| 08:49.40 | DeadZergling | same transition I made |
| 08:49.45 | Bounty | I still use triggers for the most part |
| 08:49.53 | Bounty | I'm sure you are in the same boat DeadZergling |
| 08:49.57 | Bounty | you use mostly triggers |
| 08:49.58 | Bounty | BUT |
| 08:50.00 | Bounty | when the time comes |
| 08:50.07 | Bounty | that something is way more efficient in data |
| 08:50.09 | Bounty | you learn that shit |
| 08:50.12 | Bounty | just for that task |
| 08:50.15 | Bounty | Thats what I do |
| 08:50.30 | ArcanePariah | Ahh... yeah... I've stated this before, the problem is the data editor was aimed directly/designed by CS/Software people, and for someone who is in the same mindset, data is easy/fun/cool, but if you are not, data is a pure suckfest |
| 08:50.32 | Bounty | You don't need data thought ArcanePariah |
| 08:50.39 | Bounty | Data is something you learn gradually |
| 08:50.46 | Bounty | imo |
| 08:50.50 | DeadZergling | data is fairly evil |
| 08:50.57 | DeadZergling | I forced myself to learn data for months |
| 08:50.59 | Bounty | Data should not be viewed as a barrier between you and your vision |
| 08:51.04 | Bounty | Same DeadZergling |
| 08:51.05 | DeadZergling | didn't allow myself to touch triggers |
| 08:51.07 | ArcanePariah | Need? Yes, but not entirely. The thing with data is that it is clean, trigger solutions are ugly to say the least, and often inconsistent |
| 08:51.18 | Bounty | You don't need Data |
| 08:51.31 | Bounty | I have only found a few things that data are necessary for |
| 08:51.50 | Bounty | The obvious being stats, models etc. Second being sounds and animations |
| 08:51.52 | ArcanePariah | Sure, you can use purely triggers, but at that point, you are completely reinventing the wheel |
| 08:52.07 | ArcanePariah | Which is both A) Wasteful and B) Inefficient and C) Far more error prone |
| 08:52.17 | Bounty | Playing a sound and playing animation in triggers in comparison to doing it in triggers is so much more of a burden on the system |
| 08:52.31 | Bounty | I do it all the time Arcane |
| 08:52.34 | Bounty | haha |
| 08:52.46 | Bounty | and I'm not bragging but I've done the most " |
| 08:52.50 | Bounty | I' |
| 08:52.52 | Bounty | err |
| 08:52.55 | Bounty | dat enter key |
| 08:53.07 | ArcanePariah | *Shrug* That's both the beuaty and curse of coding, nothing stops you from doing things the less effective way |
| 08:53.09 | Bounty | I've done the most game that could be perceived as "reinventing the wheel" |
| 08:53.16 | DeadZergling | btw Bounty, how is/was your mapping job? |
| 08:53.20 | Bounty | Not saying I'm a genius oranything |
| 08:53.24 | Bounty | its great deadzergling |
| 08:53.26 | ArcanePariah | So you are free to do anything, but you are free to do anything |
| 08:53.33 | Bounty | they said I still have another 3 months to go if not more |
| 08:53.40 | Bounty | You wanna hear something hillarious dude? |
| 08:53.53 | Bounty | a month after they offered me the job, I lost my "real" job |
| 08:53.59 | Bounty | so I focused on this |
| 08:54.05 | Bounty | never felt better in my life |
| 08:54.22 | Bounty | never received more compliments from my boss or more raises in my life haha |
| 08:54.25 | Bounty | go figure? :) |
| 08:54.29 | Bounty | this is why I preach this shit |
| 08:54.45 | Bounty | I started at 20 an hour and I'm not up to 25 |
| 08:54.51 | Bounty | I'm now* |
| 08:55.08 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... I wonder if I should do data work for people... it seems so many people struggle with it.... |
| 08:55.17 | Bounty | Go for it |
| 08:55.25 | ArcanePariah | Because data for me is trivial, I end up doing it more then triggers... |
| 08:55.27 | Bounty | I mean in my situation I am VERY lucky |
| 08:55.38 | Bounty | I am working for a University that was given a government grant |
| 08:55.51 | Bounty | and I am very lucky to have this opportunity |
| 08:56.02 | Bounty | but the thing is |
| 08:56.12 | Bounty | even my boss is not a fan of Blizzard |
| 08:56.16 | Bounty | in terms of how they treat us |
| 08:56.32 | Bounty | Even he thinks we deserve some sort of compensation and they take us for granted |
| 08:56.35 | Bounty | Just saying >.< |
| 08:56.36 | ArcanePariah | Umm... how is Blizzard supposed to treat us? |
| 08:56.50 | Bounty | We provide them with content |
| 08:56.58 | Bounty | We should be compensated |
| 08:57.03 | Bounty | Very simple |
| 08:57.14 | ArcanePariah | Sure, we do, but they also are provided a tool that on an open market, they could EASILY charge 4 figures for... |
| 08:57.25 | Bounty | Based on how much they make, to compensate map makers who provide content that brings in enough players... should not cost much |
| 08:57.38 | Bounty | That is the only argument there is though |
| 08:57.45 | Bounty | The same could be said for any "tool" |
| 08:58.02 | Bounty | Could say the same shit for the person for invented the "drill" |
| 08:58.16 | Bounty | So anyone who uses a drill to create something amazing shall not be rewarded |
| 08:58.34 | Bounty | The funny thing is |
| 08:58.36 | ArcanePariah | Well... I don't dispute Blizzard makes a ton of money, but sometimes I think people forget where Blizzard is, they are really close to me (I live maybe 20 minutes from them), and living here is expensive, as in probably the 5-6th most expensive place on earth |
| 08:58.46 | Bounty | I am not even arguing for direct compensation from Blizzard |
| 08:58.58 | Bounty | I am arguing for the opportunity to charge |
| 08:58.59 | ArcanePariah | Around here, making less then 40k USD is nothing, you MIGHT be able to live on it |
| 08:59.09 | Bounty | I live in Jersey dude |
| 08:59.15 | Bounty | Don't even talk about that shit |
| 08:59.17 | Bounty | cost of living |
| 08:59.18 | Bounty | haha |
| 08:59.39 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... then you live in the top 3 in the world then? |
| 08:59.42 | ArcanePariah | Ouch |
| 08:59.43 | Bounty | The entire state is fucked |
| 08:59.51 | Bounty | and there is no reason for it |
| 08:59.59 | Bounty | OH wow, NYC and Philly are close by? |
| 09:00.05 | Bounty | I don't even go to those fucking places |
| 09:00.08 | Bounty | haha' |
| 09:00.20 | ArcanePariah | Well, as for the charging, they are still looking to do it |
| 09:00.42 | ArcanePariah | At blizzcon they stated the infrastructure wasn't there, they are building it as part of Heroes ofthe Storm |
| 09:00.50 | ArcanePariah | So... maybe 2 years from now? |
| 09:01.11 | ArcanePariah | I don't envy the task, its basically sounds like they are trying to build an alternative to steam |
| 09:01.17 | ArcanePariah | Which... MIGHT work??? |
| 09:02.11 | ArcanePariah | I could see it happening, simply because Blizzard has far greater resources then Valve does, they could try to just buy their way to the top. Like their desktop app is slick and very steamlike |
| 09:03.04 | Bounty | Heres the problem I have with that |
| 09:03.22 | Bounty | They had no issue launching the real money AH for D3 |
| 09:03.33 | Bounty | yet its taking them so long to do the marketplace for SC@ |
| 09:03.36 | Bounty | SC2* |
| 09:03.50 | Bounty | I don't mean to come off as ignorant but to me that makes no sense |
| 09:04.26 | ArcanePariah | Oh, there is a fairly simple reason. One as a proven model, the other wasn't. In the case of D3, they had 5+ years of D2JSP and Ebay as proof that it would work |
| 09:04.54 | ArcanePariah | From my understanding, to this day, D2JSP is one of the largest sites on the web, and like in the top 5 forums? |
| 09:05.57 | ArcanePariah | Also, there is fundamental differences between marketplace and AH. On the AH, Blizzard controlled EVERYTHING, whereas the marketplace will be place for user created content to be passed around, so different mechanisms |
| 09:06.14 | ArcanePariah | Hence the marketplace is goign to have be basically Steam lite |
| 09:06.45 | ArcanePariah | Since Steam/Steamworkshop is pretty much the model/main place for user content to be bougth and sold in a controlled environment |
| 09:06.54 | ArcanePariah | Moar Hats :P |
| 09:07.09 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:07.16 | Bounty | Heres the issue I take with that |
| 09:07.43 | Bounty | The only reason the marketplace is not "proven" is because this greedy as fuck generation of people that want everything for free |
| 09:08.17 | G0A | lol |
| 09:08.19 | Bounty | I could be wrong though, that is just my theory |
| 09:08.39 | Bounty | It was different back in the SC1 editor days |
| 09:08.45 | Bounty | When you could not do much |
| 09:08.58 | Bounty | But now, you can quite literally make your vision come to reality |
| 09:09.02 | Bounty | also wtf G0A |
| 09:09.04 | Bounty | dat lol |
| 09:09.21 | G0A | " greedy as fuck generation" |
| 09:09.34 | Bounty | wrong grammar? |
| 09:09.42 | Bounty | Am I wrong? |
| 09:10.19 | Bommes | hello |
| 09:10.30 | Bounty | Howdy Bommes |
| 09:10.31 | Bounty | :) |
| 09:10.53 | G0A | I just loled for accusing marketplace not happening cause social changes. |
| 09:11.14 | Bounty | I think its more in depth than that |
| 09:11.28 | Bounty | But that is a great portion of it |
| 09:11.47 | G0A | I dont see why people more greedy than before |
| 09:11.51 | Bounty | So called "mods" have always been deemed as free as if they took no effort |
| 09:12.02 | Bounty | greedy in terms of what they expect to be free |
| 09:12.11 | Bounty | It was different back in the day |
| 09:12.37 | Bounty | Mods for the most part did not completely alter the game |
| 09:12.52 | Bounty | To the extent we can do now |
| 09:14.27 | G0A | you know back then, not everyone had internet and those who had internet was mostly from a good social status... |
| 09:15.01 | Bounty | my family was no in such great status and we could afford 56k lol |
| 09:15.09 | *** join/#sc2mapster MoonEater916 (~Thunderbi@108-88-97-1.lightspeed.mtryca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 09:15.10 | Bounty | even so, what does that have to do with anything |
| 09:15.14 | Bounty | How does that prove me wrong? |
| 09:15.17 | MoonEater916 | hola |
| 09:15.27 | MoonEater916 | bounty ur always wrong |
| 09:15.28 | MoonEater916 | XD |
| 09:15.33 | Bounty | Rage! |
| 09:15.35 | Bounty | :) |
| 09:15.43 | MoonEater916 | what we talking about? |
| 09:15.50 | Bounty | oh man |
| 09:15.53 | G0A | I am just saying the demographics was different.... |
| 09:15.57 | Bounty | you're in for a treat |
| 09:16.02 | MoonEater916 | oh? |
| 09:16.04 | MoonEater916 | i hope not |
| 09:16.10 | Bounty | we're talking about why map makers should be rewarded financially |
| 09:16.22 | G0A | because we are greedy too:D |
| 09:16.25 | MoonEater916 | they shouldnt |
| 09:16.33 | Bounty | It really is amazing how much opposition I receive when I talk about this |
| 09:16.35 | MoonEater916 | bounty ur like egod |
| 09:16.47 | MoonEater916 | i mean its a nice thought |
| 09:16.57 | MoonEater916 | but its not feasable |
| 09:17.00 | Bounty | So why should it not be true |
| 09:17.02 | Bounty | How so |
| 09:17.12 | Bounty | You can sell virtual items in D3 |
| 09:17.18 | MoonEater916 | yes.... |
| 09:17.20 | Bounty | Yet when you create huge amounts of content for SC2 |
| 09:17.23 | Bounty | you get nothing |
| 09:17.23 | MoonEater916 | but u want to sell map access? |
| 09:17.24 | Bounty | at all |
| 09:17.32 | Bounty | If its good enough |
| 09:17.34 | Bounty | They will pay |
| 09:17.36 | Bounty | If it sucks |
| 09:17.39 | Bounty | THey won't |
| 09:17.49 | Bounty | Very simple |
| 09:17.53 | MoonEater916 | ya but u loose player base for the game |
| 09:17.57 | MoonEater916 | which makes the game suck |
| 09:18.00 | Bounty | Then make it free |
| 09:18.07 | Bounty | Author choice |
| 09:18.14 | Bounty | If you feel your game is good enough to charge for |
| 09:18.18 | MoonEater916 | like say u do a great game like mafia |
| 09:18.22 | MoonEater916 | been top for months |
| 09:18.30 | MoonEater916 | or better yet phantom back in the day |
| 09:18.36 | MoonEater916 | i wouldnt pay for niether |
| 09:18.42 | Bounty | What about dota? |
| 09:18.56 | Bounty | Someone came up with that shit because of modding |
| 09:18.57 | Bounty | look at it now |
| 09:19.03 | Bounty | and they get nothing |
| 09:19.06 | MoonEater916 | so what like 1 game in 1000? |
| 09:19.12 | Bounty | compared to the popularity |
| 09:19.18 | Bounty | To ME |
| 09:19.19 | MoonEater916 | lol what about carbot guy |
| 09:19.31 | Bounty | Its almost as if people have no sense of intellectual capital |
| 09:19.31 | MoonEater916 | he gets stuff |
| 09:19.31 | G0A | just saying: Blizz let SCU to sell ingame stuff in their kickstarter |
| 09:19.31 | MoonEater916 | XD |
| 09:19.43 | MoonEater916 | blizzard should take over SCU |
| 09:19.48 | Bounty | If it offers no in game incentives G0A |
| 09:19.54 | Bounty | Which SCU broke those rules |
| 09:20.04 | Bounty | and I am curious why they were allowed to do so |
| 09:20.09 | MoonEater916 | i dont think the scu guys r competent enough and the sc2 engine should be reworked for scu |
| 09:20.21 | MoonEater916 | lol |
| 09:20.24 | MoonEater916 | lots of games do |
| 09:20.25 | Bounty | SCU will not work |
| 09:20.27 | MoonEater916 | warships does |
| 09:20.46 | Bommes | Mmh, I think monetization of mods and maps has to be more complicated than just "selling" the access to maps. In my opinion one of the corner stones of modding that makes it such a great thing is that it is free and you can just try it. |
| 09:20.55 | Bommes | Because let's face it, a lot of the mods and maps out there are pretty garbage |
| 09:21.08 | Bounty | I agree Bommes |
| 09:21.09 | G0A | I dont think there will be much interest in SCU.... its too complex for the current arcade demographics:) |
| 09:21.09 | MoonEater916 | so what blizzard pays people for maps |
| 09:21.10 | Bounty | 100% |
| 09:21.16 | Bounty | Thats why I say you offer a trial period |
| 09:21.21 | Bommes | so as a player who initially knows very little about these maps it's very easy to get scammed from shitty mapmakers |
| 09:21.26 | Bounty | If a map sucks or is boring after X amount of hours |
| 09:21.28 | MoonEater916 | for the amount of time i put into making a map at minimum wage |
| 09:21.29 | Bounty | Don't pay for it |
| 09:21.32 | MoonEater916 | would be substatial |
| 09:21.32 | Bounty | simple as that |
| 09:21.50 | Bounty | Like, I don't get it at all why map makers argue against this shit |
| 09:21.57 | Bounty | Its almost as if you're all brainwashed |
| 09:21.58 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:21.59 | kingTD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNT3ftchV-Q |
| 09:22.05 | MoonEater916 | if u want to bounty |
| 09:22.13 | MoonEater916 | u can account lock players to ur game |
| 09:22.20 | MoonEater916 | tell them they must donate |
| 09:22.25 | MoonEater916 | i duno what blizzard would do |
| 09:22.32 | Bounty | No because that is against ToS |
| 09:22.36 | Bounty | What I would do |
| 09:22.39 | Bounty | like I said |
| 09:22.40 | MoonEater916 | dummy account and ip? |
| 09:22.40 | Bommes | no I would love to see it monetized, I definitely think it would improve the whole scene and would bring a lot of awesome stuff and potentially a huge playerbase |
| 09:22.43 | Bounty | Offer a trial period |
| 09:22.47 | Bounty | X amount of time |
| 09:22.52 | Bounty | If they don't like it within that time |
| 09:22.54 | Bounty | they never will |
| 09:22.57 | Bounty | So move on |
| 09:22.58 | Bounty | OR |
| 09:23.03 | Bommes | I don't consider myself expert enough in that field to evaluate how to exactly do it |
| 09:23.04 | Bounty | pay and play forever |
| 09:23.41 | DeadZergling | this map/mod dependency issue is killing me |
| 09:23.47 | Bounty | I just hate how for the last 3 years everyone has looked at me like I'm crazy for saying this |
| 09:23.49 | MoonEater916 | bounty u Egod? |
| 09:23.51 | Bounty | yet now they go FTP |
| 09:23.54 | Bounty | like |
| 09:23.56 | Bounty | for real? |
| 09:24.02 | Bounty | such a fucking opportunity |
| 09:24.09 | Bounty | for map makers |
| 09:24.10 | MoonEater916 | Bounty = egod? |
| 09:24.20 | Bounty | How old are you Mooneater916? :) |
| 09:24.27 | MoonEater916 | pretty old |
| 09:24.28 | Bommes | mmh I think many people were expecting to see some kind of marketplace, but most people who actually built their maps and mods around that idea of seeing money eventually are gone by now |
| 09:24.30 | MoonEater916 | 24 |
| 09:24.36 | Ahli | no, bounty is bounty, egod is egod |
| 09:24.39 | Bounty | Not old enough bro |
| 09:24.48 | MoonEater916 | making sure |
| 09:24.51 | Bounty | We all accept Capitalism |
| 09:24.56 | MoonEater916 | bounty u can go do what egod does |
| 09:24.59 | Bounty | yet we don't want to evoke it |
| 09:25.05 | MoonEater916 | not release a game unless u get funding |
| 09:25.11 | Bounty | can anyone explain that shit to me? |
| 09:25.13 | MoonEater916 | and have people pay for unlockables |
| 09:25.21 | Bounty | No I don't agree with that MoonEater916 |
| 09:25.24 | G0A | kingTD thats fucking awesome |
| 09:25.26 | Bounty | That is not what I'm saying |
| 09:25.27 | MoonEater916 | how so? |
| 09:25.29 | Bounty | AT ALL |
| 09:25.35 | Bounty | its as if you did not read jack shit of what I said |
| 09:25.46 | MoonEater916 | i did but im giving TOS solutions |
| 09:25.51 | Bounty | I said you release a map, set a price and people can play it for X amount of time for free |
| 09:25.54 | kingTD | goa at 5 or less min mark fun is just go over the roof |
| 09:25.55 | kingTD | :d |
| 09:25.59 | Bounty | If they don't want to play it after that |
| 09:26.02 | Bommes | Here is Sixen interview with D. Browder about Heroes btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atTggMuMQdQ |
| 09:26.02 | Bounty | they wont |
| 09:26.04 | Bounty | If they do |
| 09:26.08 | Bounty | they buy the map |
| 09:26.08 | Bommes | for those who haven't seen it yet |
| 09:26.25 | Bounty | Also, thanks Ahli |
| 09:26.28 | Bounty | I appreciate that |
| 09:26.30 | Bounty | haha |
| 09:26.52 | MoonEater916 | im telling u bounty |
| 09:26.58 | MoonEater916 | make a donation system in ur map |
| 09:27.17 | MoonEater916 | players donate they get special shit |
| 09:27.31 | Bounty | you're not allowed to offer any incentives |
| 09:27.31 | Bounty | ToA |
| 09:27.40 | MoonEater916 | so people do it anyways |
| 09:27.49 | Bounty | and? |
| 09:27.59 | MoonEater916 | u want to capatalize |
| 09:27.59 | Bounty | why should I have to break the ToA to get donations |
| 09:28.05 | Bounty | Yeah, by the law |
| 09:28.22 | MoonEater916 | lolz warship does it i know |
| 09:28.27 | MoonEater916 | get special ships for donating |
| 09:28.41 | MoonEater916 | im sure mafia does also |
| 09:28.47 | Bounty | Mafia used to till they got busted |
| 09:29.35 | MoonEater916 | oh! |
| 09:29.40 | MoonEater916 | what you could do |
| 09:29.42 | MoonEater916 | is sell banks |
| 09:29.47 | Bounty | Its a funny thing that we find it ok to break the ToA yet at the same time be against monetizing maps |
| 09:30.00 | Bounty | I find it interesting |
| 09:30.02 | MoonEater916 | make a heavy encrypted bank |
| 09:30.03 | Bounty | >.< |
| 09:30.10 | MoonEater916 | then generate them for players |
| 09:30.14 | Bounty | lol dude |
| 09:30.14 | MoonEater916 | granting unlockables |
| 09:30.18 | Bounty | my whole point |
| 09:30.21 | Bommes | But all the directions go into more power and money for freelance content creators, Steam is heavily going into this direction and I don't see why it would be different with what Blizzard is approaching with their Free to Play titles. I think it's only a matter of time. |
| 09:30.26 | Bounty | is we should not need effing loopholes |
| 09:30.31 | Bommes | The only problem is that since it's Blizzard time it might take a couple more years :D |
| 09:30.31 | Bounty | in the system |
| 09:30.58 | Bounty | haha |
| 09:30.59 | Bounty | bommes |
| 09:31.02 | Bounty | good point dude |
| 09:31.04 | MoonEater916 | lolz |
| 09:31.06 | Bounty | blizzard time |
| 09:31.09 | Bounty | add 2 years |
| 09:31.11 | Bounty | >.< |
| 09:31.16 | MoonEater916 | ask sixen to ask browder |
| 09:31.22 | MoonEater916 | with 2.1 comming |
| 09:31.29 | MoonEater916 | it might be nice to allow players to monotize |
| 09:31.30 | Ahli | Bounty: hi, what did I do? |
| 09:31.45 | Bounty | [04:24] <Ahli> no, bounty is bounty, egod is egod |
| 09:31.48 | Bounty | that is all Ahli |
| 09:31.49 | Ahli | ah k |
| 09:32.05 | Bounty | I just appreciated the distinction |
| 09:32.08 | Bounty | >.< |
| 09:32.16 | MoonEater916 | well ur sounding like egod |
| 09:32.19 | MoonEater916 | XD |
| 09:32.32 | Ahli | did egod come here after his failed kickstarter? |
| 09:32.43 | Bounty | Sorry for wanting all of you to be rewarded for your time and effort |
| 09:32.45 | Bounty | my bad |
| 09:32.48 | Bounty | unbelievable |
| 09:32.49 | MoonEater916 | well i dont know him, but i would think he is shamed |
| 09:32.52 | MoonEater916 | and wouldnt show his face |
| 09:33.21 | MoonEater916 | the only reward i would want from blizzard is maybe a job |
| 09:33.26 | Bounty | In the current system you better hope you don't come up with an amazing idea |
| 09:33.34 | MoonEater916 | other than that my games would be free |
| 09:33.37 | Bounty | Or you're fucked |
| 09:33.43 | MoonEater916 | with possible donor insentive for minro stuff |
| 09:34.01 | MoonEater916 | did u see the map im working on |
| 09:34.06 | MoonEater916 | its legend of zelda |
| 09:34.11 | MoonEater916 | well all the classics |
| 09:34.13 | MoonEater916 | mixed up |
| 09:34.16 | MoonEater916 | all 2d |
| 09:34.36 | MoonEater916 | and it has a sudo cortex engine |
| 09:34.39 | Bounty | how long have you been working on it and how far a long are you |
| 09:34.46 | MoonEater916 | which allows players to build thier own maps |
| 09:34.51 | MoonEater916 | well |
| 09:34.56 | MoonEater916 | atm its been about 30 days |
| 09:35.02 | MoonEater916 | i have a working proto type |
| 09:35.10 | MoonEater916 | the slowest part is adding more sprites |
| 09:35.48 | MoonEater916 | i expect in another 30 days |
| 09:35.53 | MoonEater916 | ill have a simple quest and game play |
| 09:36.04 | MoonEater916 | i plan to release the game in acts |
| 09:36.31 | Bounty | and you don't feel you should get any money from that? |
| 09:36.40 | MoonEater916 | not really |
| 09:36.50 | MoonEater916 | i can show u the demo |
| 09:36.53 | MoonEater916 | if ur on NA |
| 09:37.35 | Bounty | nuff said imo :) |
| 09:37.41 | MoonEater916 | chances r blizzard with fk me with copyright shit anyways |
| 09:37.47 | Bounty | Zelda, 2D, no need of money |
| 09:37.50 | Bounty | >.< |
| 09:37.57 | MoonEater916 | ill probably have to remake all my tiles |
| 09:38.08 | MoonEater916 | hopfully by then ill have some help |
| 09:38.11 | Bounty | If you used other companies assets then yeah |
| 09:38.14 | Bounty | they will fuck you |
| 09:38.21 | MoonEater916 | ya i kinda am |
| 09:38.29 | MoonEater916 | they indirect copies |
| 09:39.01 | MoonEater916 | blizzard in the past has given me 30 days |
| 09:39.25 | MoonEater916 | which hopfully is enough time to find some artists in arcade who r willing to help |
| 09:39.39 | MoonEater916 | of not ill just have to put my map online for download |
| 09:42.23 | MoonEater916 | :/ |
| 09:45.46 | Bounty | >.< |
| 09:48.29 | MoonEater916 | well arcade is dead on NA |
| 09:48.39 | Bounty | Wonder why |
| 09:48.49 | MoonEater916 | i should go work on my map more |
| 09:48.59 | MoonEater916 | im still trying to get the sword swings to work |
| 09:49.08 | MoonEater916 | i detached the sword from link |
| 09:49.19 | MoonEater916 | im trying to attack it as its own object |
| 09:49.21 | MoonEater916 | then spin it |
| 09:49.36 | MoonEater916 | it will also allow me to add multiple weapons to link |
| 09:49.42 | MoonEater916 | easily |
| 09:50.28 | Bounty | Random thought but I swear to jebus the song "Girl Anachronism" sums up the majority of people of my generation lol |
| 09:51.13 | MoonEater916 | old? |
| 09:51.20 | Bounty | ? |
| 09:51.50 | MoonEater916 | lol |
| 09:51.53 | Bounty | asking my age? |
| 09:52.01 | MoonEater916 | no im saying ur generation is old |
| 09:52.15 | Bounty | really? I'm only 28 |
| 09:52.24 | MoonEater916 | i guess |
| 09:52.43 | Bounty | If you've ever listened to the song you would understand why I would chose it lol |
| 09:53.09 | Bounty | Hey, I guess its all up to the next generation to fix things >.< |
| 09:53.15 | MoonEater916 | i guess |
| 09:53.25 | MoonEater916 | i want to work on my map |
| 09:53.29 | MoonEater916 | but its too late |
| 09:53.32 | MoonEater916 | :( |
| 09:53.36 | Bounty | word |
| 09:53.56 | MoonEater916 | what map r u making? |
| 09:54.00 | MoonEater916 | got a demo? |
| 09:54.08 | Bounty | Making a map for North Carolina University |
| 09:54.14 | Bounty | Which I am being paid to make >.< |
| 09:54.32 | Bounty | and I do not have a demo which I can share with you |
| 09:54.53 | MoonEater916 | why would anyone ever pay u to make a map |
| 09:55.05 | MoonEater916 | its a it a campus map to show freshmen were all the buildings r? |
| 09:55.09 | MoonEater916 | :P |
| 09:55.10 | Bounty | Who knows? Maybe because I have a skill? |
| 09:55.28 | Bounty | Don't hate just because I attempted to preach a cause that would benefit you |
| 09:55.30 | MoonEater916 | odd skill and odder that its been asked for |
| 09:55.41 | Bounty | Its called creativity |
| 09:55.48 | Bounty | Perhaps you were born without it |
| 09:56.04 | MoonEater916 | possibly but most creative people die broke and alone |
| 09:56.09 | Bounty | Or you're just to mentally young to understand the world around you >.< |
| 09:56.32 | Bounty | That is an interesting statement you just made btw haha |
| 09:56.59 | MoonEater916 | its true i know history |
| 09:57.06 | Bounty | If what you just said is true, enjoy your future of tyranny. |
| 09:57.14 | Bounty | da fuck? |
| 09:57.20 | MoonEater916 | even brilliant scientist ocasionaly end up that way also |
| 09:57.24 | MoonEater916 | tesla |
| 09:57.34 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:57.38 | MoonEater916 | rembrant |
| 09:57.42 | MoonEater916 | egar allen poe |
| 09:57.44 | Bounty | Not even going to get into this conversation with you |
| 09:57.47 | MoonEater916 | van gauth |
| 09:57.55 | Bounty | I will say this |
| 09:58.02 | MoonEater916 | rodenbaurry started getting rich then died |
| 09:58.26 | Bounty | You say these people died broke and alone as if to say it was a negative, while at the same time to this day you know their names |
| 09:58.29 | Bounty | That is all I will say |
| 09:58.32 | Bounty | You figure it out |
| 09:59.43 | MoonEater916 | they got famous after they died |
| 09:59.49 | MoonEater916 | which does them little use |
| 09:59.53 | MoonEater916 | since they r dead |
| 10:00.12 | Bounty | Like I said, not going to discuss this with you. You'll figure it out someday |
| 10:00.15 | Bounty | Hopefully |
| 10:00.23 | MoonEater916 | ya after im dead |
| 10:00.29 | MoonEater916 | or i guess after ur dead |
| 10:00.29 | MoonEater916 | XD |
| 10:02.14 | *** join/#sc2mapster Torhal (Torhal@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedb:9160) |
| 10:03.02 | MoonEater916 | TORHAL |
| 10:03.04 | MoonEater916 | i missed u |
| 10:03.43 | MoonEater916 | DeadZergling |
| 10:03.51 | MoonEater916 | i got a question for u |
| 10:04.17 | Bommes | Hmm, anyone here any experience with AutoCAD? |
| 10:04.33 | MoonEater916 | autocad |
| 10:04.37 | MoonEater916 | what r u designing? |
| 10:04.44 | MoonEater916 | i have 0 experience |
| 10:04.53 | Bommes | my dad needs a relatively simple devide to 3d print it |
| 10:05.06 | Bommes | figured autocad is probably the best option? |
| 10:05.15 | Bommes | since it has to have exact measurements and stuff |
| 10:05.24 | Bommes | *device |
| 10:05.25 | MoonEater916 | divide? |
| 10:05.27 | DeadZergling | what question moon? |
| 10:05.38 | MoonEater916 | i have a 2D link sprite |
| 10:05.50 | MoonEater916 | im trying to attach a sword as a seperate modle/actor |
| 10:05.52 | MoonEater916 | and spin it |
| 10:05.56 | MoonEater916 | im abit loss on the process |
| 10:06.07 | MoonEater916 | jade suggested looking at collosus beams |
| 10:06.38 | MoonEater916 | DeadZergling |
| 10:07.58 | DeadZergling | 2D link sprite, hrrrrmm, well I'm definitely the wrong person to ask about that sort of thing :) |
| 10:08.30 | MoonEater916 | well its more like |
| 10:08.35 | MoonEater916 | modle attached to model |
| 10:08.38 | MoonEater916 | with a spin |
| 10:09.05 | DeadZergling | sorry, so are you trying to use a new image file, or use attachments? |
| 10:09.23 | MoonEater916 | well in reality i have a model with a texture on it |
| 10:09.29 | MoonEater916 | its a flat plane model |
| 10:09.35 | MoonEater916 | and i plan to use 2 of them |
| 10:09.39 | MoonEater916 | and spin them around eachother |
| 10:10.06 | DeadZergling | well, the implementing of models, I'm the absolute wrong person to ask about this |
| 10:10.10 | DeadZergling | but once you get them in |
| 10:10.17 | MoonEater916 | i got them in |
| 10:10.19 | MoonEater916 | and working |
| 10:10.21 | DeadZergling | most prefer the mothership with opacity 0 for that kind of job |
| 10:10.21 | MoonEater916 | and animated |
| 10:10.41 | MoonEater916 | i just want to detatch the sword and make it a separate |
| 10:10.44 | MoonEater916 | instead of togeather |
| 10:10.54 | MoonEater916 | that way i can swap out the sword |
| 10:11.29 | MoonEater916 | also have a carbot zergling |
| 10:11.38 | MoonEater916 | works |
| 10:12.06 | EntityEnigma | if my roach model isnt playing an attack animation is that a problem with launch assests? |
| 10:12.40 | MoonEater916 | no idea |
| 10:12.59 | Bommes | entityenigma: launch assets are separate from animations, but animations might change the position of the attachment point used by the launch assets in such a way that they look "off" without an animation |
| 10:13.09 | MoonEater916 | BOMMES |
| 10:13.12 | MoonEater916 | help me next |
| 10:13.14 | MoonEater916 | :P |
| 10:13.40 | EntityEnigma | do i need to make a model to set up an attack animation then? |
| 10:14.03 | Bommes | MoonEater, so the sword would be another sprite that's permanently there, and on an animation change it spins around? |
| 10:14.29 | A1win | DeadZergling, still up? 8x |
| 10:14.31 | MoonEater916 | yes kinda |
| 10:14.35 | MoonEater916 | some sprites its perma |
| 10:14.40 | MoonEater916 | some its only when attacking |
| 10:14.44 | DeadZergling | yea, and my stupid fucking project still broken |
| 10:14.46 | DeadZergling | pissing me the hell off |
| 10:14.55 | MoonEater916 | what project? |
| 10:14.59 | A1win | <.< |
| 10:15.28 | MoonEater916 | lol i think ArcanePariah blocked me |
| 10:15.33 | DeadZergling | Horologium RPG, only project I ever work on |
| 10:15.50 | Bommes | entity, the model you use needs to have an attack animation |
| 10:15.54 | DeadZergling | but fuck that for now, gonna put shit in the microwave, then it sounds like A1win is gonna let me die on his map, lol |
| 10:15.55 | Bommes | if it does you can play animations in the main unit actor |
| 10:16.27 | MoonEater916 | A1win u still working on it? |
| 10:16.29 | EntityEnigma | yeah my unit stopped playing its attack animation when i added a custom weapon |
| 10:16.31 | MoonEater916 | still on the buss? |
| 10:16.49 | Bommes | moon, there are probably a couple of work arounds involving site operations and showing/hiding multiple attached models |
| 10:17.09 | EntityEnigma | attached* |
| 10:17.11 | Bommes | the most "correct" way is probably to set up the plane model and use attachment points that wander around on animation change or something? |
| 10:17.25 | MoonEater916 | Bommes i would really like this and would really like help on this i want link and other snes sprites to be able to have different swords |
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| 10:17.42 | Bommes | yeah sounds cool |
| 10:17.45 | A1win | MoonEater916, it's too close to finished not to ;p |
| 10:17.52 | MoonEater916 | good |
| 10:17.57 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zolden (~a@88.135.0.21) |
| 10:18.17 | MoonEater916 | Bommes, i dont need attach points, i can use the uberlisk attachment tutorial cant i? |
| 10:18.25 | Bommes | entity, go into the unit actor under events, and in there you should find something like Weapon.OldWeapon.Start -> Animation Play Attack |
| 10:18.37 | Bommes | just change that to your new weapon you use for the attached one |
| 10:18.58 | DeadZergling | anyways A1win, let me get my SC2 to connect to EU here |
| 10:19.02 | DeadZergling | I assume I need to go there |
| 10:19.37 | EntityEnigma | ooooh |
| 10:19.48 | DeadZergling | your map isn't HoTS required now is it? |
| 10:20.10 | Bommes | moon, maybe, I'm sure there are multiple ways to get where you want |
| 10:20.38 | MoonEater916 | well bomes |
| 10:20.40 | Bommes | usually you would add animation attack sprites for each type of sword to get different animations I would assume? |
| 10:20.51 | Bommes | then you don't really need to swap models and do site operations stuff etc |
| 10:21.16 | DeadZergling | On EU as DeadZergling A1win |
| 10:21.17 | MoonEater916 | hm... |
| 10:21.17 | Bommes | that was only for the idea of actually spinning the sword sprite around |
| 10:21.18 | DeadZergling | let me find my stupid number |
| 10:21.34 | MoonEater916 | well i geuss i use the uberlisk tutorial |
| 10:21.38 | Bommes | but it's also more work I think |
| 10:21.49 | MoonEater916 | to attack a sword model to the top left right and down |
| 10:21.56 | MoonEater916 | and play a sword animation on the model |
| 10:21.58 | MoonEater916 | i gues... |
| 10:22.53 | Bommes | Entity, don't forget to also add an event like UnitMovementUpdate.Walk -> Animation Clear Attack or something |
| 10:23.56 | A1win | yeah just a sec |
| 10:24.10 | A1win | just woke up ;p |
| 10:24.42 | MoonEater916 | Bommes can u link me to the closest tutorials to what i need? |
| 10:25.09 | Zolden | revives DeadZergling into Zergling |
| 10:25.11 | A1win | anyone wanna join us? |
| 10:25.34 | Bommes | Moon, does attaching another sprite to your sprite already work? |
| 10:25.35 | Zolden | i just woke up too, and want to mapmake |
| 10:25.40 | Bommes | as in does it have an attachment point? |
| 10:25.57 | MoonEater916 | it shouldnt have any attachment points |
| 10:26.00 | Zolden | Bommes you can add an attachment point if you need |
| 10:26.11 | MoonEater916 | i would i assume need to make custom ones using the uberlisk tutorial |
| 10:26.13 | MoonEater916 | :/ |
| 10:26.16 | DeadZergling | Name is DeadZergling, Gamertag 982 |
| 10:26.20 | kingTD | Zolden came and changed the way i feel |
| 10:26.35 | Bommes | doesn't that need a "parent" attachment point? |
| 10:26.36 | Bommes | Zolden, how? |
| 10:26.37 | Zolden | kingTD you know what will change the way you feel? |
| 10:26.45 | Zolden | Bommes I mean in max |
| 10:26.46 | Bommes | ah k |
| 10:26.49 | kingTD | yes |
| 10:26.49 | Bommes | dunno if moon has max |
| 10:26.56 | Zolden | he better have it |
| 10:27.03 | Bommes | ^^ |
| 10:27.05 | MoonEater916 | i do |
| 10:27.13 | MoonEater916 | dunt remember how to use it |
| 10:27.20 | Zolden | kingTD just download the latest Family Guy episod, nice jokes they implemented there |
| 10:27.24 | Bommes | then it should be really easy to add by just following the blizzard documentation tutorial thing |
| 10:27.28 | MoonEater916 | last time i was proficient in it was 2005 |
| 10:27.29 | Bommes | should take 5 minutes or so |
| 10:27.30 | DeadZergling | had to ask general chat how to find my gamer tag |
| 10:27.34 | DeadZergling | because I'm so cool |
| 10:27.36 | MoonEater916 | link me? |
| 10:27.43 | Bommes | hold on |
| 10:28.05 | Zolden | links MoonEater916 to a sqiurrel |
| 10:28.12 | MoonEater916 | AHH!!!!! |
| 10:28.18 | A1win | DeadZergling, got the request? |
| 10:28.25 | MoonEater916 | fights off sqiurrel |
| 10:28.57 | Bommes | moon, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9962/SC2ArtTools.zip |
| 10:29.02 | Bommes | you need the arttools first ofc |
| 10:29.14 | MoonEater916 | i ahve it |
| 10:29.17 | MoonEater916 | all installed |
| 10:29.19 | DeadZergling | No |
| 10:29.26 | Bommes | k |
| 10:29.38 | A1win | join sc2mapster channel or group |
| 10:29.54 | Bommes | documentation about attachment points etc is under tutorials -> helper objects |
| 10:30.27 | EntityEnigma | Bommes: sorry, would i use the actor attached to the weapon or the actor attached to the unit cause i dont see anything for weapon animation playback in the weapon actor i have atm |
| 10:30.28 | A1win | oops, added in wrong place ;p |
| 10:30.36 | A1win | and character friends aren't requests anyway |
| 10:30.37 | Zolden | DeadZergling just right click on yourself, press copy link and paste it |
| 10:30.38 | A1win | just adds them |
| 10:30.50 | MoonEater916 | oh |
| 10:31.42 | A1win | MoonEater916, you're SoulTaker? |
| 10:31.46 | MoonEater916 | yes |
| 10:31.50 | A1win | joining us? |
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| 10:34.48 | EntityEnigma | oh damnit |
| 10:35.18 | EntityEnigma | derp the unit actor |
| 10:35.20 | EntityEnigma | woops |
| 10:35.29 | EntityEnigma | you already said that |
| 10:36.12 | EntityEnigma | ok now for the real question |
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| 10:38.05 | EntityEnigma | im assuming the way you change when the animation starts is by changing the source name to the name of the weapon you want the animation to play for |
| 10:38.32 | EntityEnigma | but there doesnt seem to be anything other than the default weapon assests to chose from |
| 10:38.55 | EntityEnigma | so where do i find my custiomized weapon to input for the source name value? |
| 10:39.23 | Bommes | Entity, in your unit combat - weapon field |
| 10:39.23 | Bommes | didn't you change that? |
| 10:39.36 | EntityEnigma | yes |
| 10:39.57 | Bommes | so the weapon that you use there is the source of that actor event |
| 10:40.40 | EntityEnigma | yeah but its not listed so i cant link it |
| 10:40.42 | EntityEnigma | in events |
| 10:43.01 | G0A | Zolden https://soundcloud.com/shivax-1/gazuzaset I wonder how you will like this:) |
| 10:43.32 | Ahli | at least I don't like that |
| 10:43.50 | EntityEnigma | Bommes: sorry nvm i found it.... |
| 10:43.56 | EntityEnigma | im blind appearantly |
| 10:44.07 | Bommes | np ent |
| 10:46.59 | EntityEnigma | if i got rid of my roach's ranged weapon can i just delete the corresponding actor events for acid saliva attack start and stop? |
| 10:47.31 | EntityEnigma | without causing any problems |
| 10:50.48 | EntityEnigma | AAAAAAAAAAHMMMMMGGGGGGG |
| 10:50.54 | EntityEnigma | IT LOOKS SO AWESOMEZ |
| 10:50.59 | EntityEnigma | thx bommes |
| 10:51.36 | EntityEnigma | oh im in mapping heaven right now |
| 10:53.36 | MoonEater916 | ok im back |
| 11:02.04 | A1win | would it help if you know what's inside each pickup crate before you break them o: |
| 11:02.36 | Zolden | G0A I'd like it more without stupid rythmic line. Why I need this cage of beat above the music? |
| 11:03.15 | Zolden | but it's a fun combination of indian and jewish melodics |
| 11:03.36 | DeadZergling | yes, but I still don't like that setup |
| 11:03.49 | DeadZergling | I want to be able to grab all the items without getting hurt by it |
| 11:03.52 | A1win | I don't like the idea of everyone always having all the weapons available |
| 11:04.31 | Zolden | would be fun to see how ortodoxal jews under heavy hallucinogyns partying hard to this track |
| 11:04.46 | DeadZergling | I don't like the idea of dodging fire only to get a weapon I hate |
| 11:05.17 | A1win | yea that's not too nice ;p |
| 11:05.37 | A1win | that's why I was thinking of adding a button that you need to press to attract pickups or maybe even allow pickup |
| 11:05.52 | A1win | but might not be the best solution :P |
| 11:06.05 | DeadZergling | could work, but still think it'd be funner with all the weapons available |
| 11:06.10 | DeadZergling | just have to balance the shit out of them |
| 11:06.24 | Zolden | G0A also, it's a habit I don't like: they don't do harmonies, jsut nicely change the tonic for a few beats, but go back to the flat plato they had at before |
| 11:06.32 | DeadZergling | have like a laser that hits for half health, but has a couple second delay before firing |
| 11:06.33 | Zolden | so, it's not toal, but timbre music |
| 11:06.35 | A1win | it just becomes a mess if there are like 4 weapons and 4 abilities |
| 11:07.03 | Zolden | A1win make 3, but upgradable abils |
| 11:07.15 | DeadZergling | mines that just float amongst gravity, easy to avoid but annoying |
| 11:07.21 | A1win | I mean if there are more than 1 of each |
| 11:07.33 | G0A | Zolden first tracks in that set less harmonic that the ones at the end |
| 11:07.34 | A1win | since you'd have to be able to switch both on the fly |
| 11:08.09 | DeadZergling | heap seeking missiles, seek pretty well, but slower than the ships, and can be outrun |
| 11:08.13 | Zolden | G0A i'm still listening it since it doesn't interfere, i do a stupid work, adding tooltips to all buttons |
| 11:08.19 | DeadZergling | just some ideas based on that gameplay |
| 11:08.25 | Zolden | to all 200 buttons |
| 11:08.26 | A1win | mm |
| 11:08.38 | G0A | Zolden also high pitched sounds are just the thing comes with the genre... |
| 11:08.54 | G0A | lol |
| 11:08.54 | DeadZergling | now, back to my original problem |
| 11:08.58 | Zolden | i'm ok abobut them |
| 11:08.58 | DeadZergling | why the FUCK won't my map/mod work together |
| 11:09.30 | Zolden | DeadZergling is mod in the original "mods" folder? |
| 11:09.33 | G0A | hate to do tooltips |
| 11:09.49 | DeadZergling | yep |
| 11:11.42 | DeadZergling | maybe this will do it, heh |
| 11:11.55 | A1win | what if each planet has one weapon defined for it and you get it by landing on it? ;p |
| 11:12.18 | G0A | Zolden btw I am working on Entropy TD 2.0 |
| 11:12.19 | DeadZergling | you be screwed if you respawn in the wrong area |
| 11:12.24 | A1win | hehe |
| 11:13.13 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmmm, well fuck |
| 11:13.19 | DeadZergling | if I run the map file, it breaks |
| 11:13.28 | DeadZergling | but if I run the map as a test document, it doesn't break? |
| 11:14.16 | A1win | I once had a map that crashed if I restarted it in-game |
| 11:14.22 | A1win | but not if I launched it for the first time |
| 11:14.50 | DeadZergling | yea, is just a real problem for me like this |
| 11:14.59 | DeadZergling | I can't publish a map that breaks |
| 11:15.11 | A1win | does it break on bnet though? |
| 11:16.09 | DeadZergling | not right now, as I haven't published anything lately, not enough changes to warrant it |
| 11:18.46 | Zolden | G0A good, what changes? |
| 11:19.28 | DeadZergling | anyone happen to know where the map gets cached while it is testing? |
| 11:19.50 | G0A | Zolden http://brokenalliances.com/forums/showthread.php/15597-Entropy-TD-2-0?p=102888#post102888 |
| 11:19.57 | G0A | currently adding new wave types |
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| 11:24.40 | DeadZergling | anyone know where the editor config file is located |
| 11:24.43 | DeadZergling | I wish to delete it :P |
| 11:25.13 | A1win | I'd guess somewhere in the SC2 my documents folder |
| 11:31.17 | DeadZergling | well, it seems fixed now |
| 11:31.18 | Zolden | G0A yea, the music is getting better |
| 11:31.31 | DeadZergling | Deleting 2 2 KB files fixed everything... |
| 11:32.00 | DeadZergling | *Goes to back his map/mod files up faster than ever before* |
| 11:32.34 | A1win | hmm... I could at least let players choose their starting equipment, give something to do while dead |
| 11:36.13 | DeadZergling | there, saved both on comp and mailed it to myself |
| 11:39.48 | A1win | I'll try this "hold space to pick up stuff" thing, doesn't feel too bad on the first try |
| 11:40.17 | Segabyte | A1win, miten oli yösi? |
| 11:40.52 | DeadZergling | as long as you don't make any of the keys too far away from wasd |
| 11:40.58 | DeadZergling | should be good |
| 11:42.14 | DeadZergling | hey A1win, you should come mess around on my map a little |
| 11:42.18 | DeadZergling | just to see what I have headaches over |
| 11:43.12 | DeadZergling | just 20-30 mins on NA so you can see it a bit |
| 11:43.25 | DeadZergling | I'll even let you see me use my special I made the map cheat codes |
| 11:44.23 | DeadZergling | (which only work for me anyways) |
| 11:45.18 | A1win | alright, just a momoent |
| 11:45.39 | DeadZergling | okay, am gonna be on NA, just got done publishing my unscrewed files, lol |
| 11:46.36 | DeadZergling | anyone else is invited to goof off too of course |
| 11:46.53 | duckies | it's that rpg? |
| 11:47.01 | DeadZergling | yep |
| 11:47.09 | duckies | too bad it's a bad time for me :/ |
| 11:47.24 | DeadZergling | no prob, it is public anyways |
| 11:47.37 | DeadZergling | you can play it with or without me, any time |
| 11:47.52 | DeadZergling | it just isn't on the arcade, not until I'm happy with it |
| 11:47.59 | DeadZergling | need to finish my 5th class and 3rd main boss |
| 11:48.08 | DeadZergling | oh and my ressurection system |
| 11:48.17 | duckies | but it's unfinished >.> I'd rather play it when you're comfortable with it :D |
| 11:48.18 | DeadZergling | (heroes revive fine, I'm just redoing it) |
| 11:48.30 | DeadZergling | so the cleric can you know, ressurect |
| 11:49.29 | DeadZergling | just join channel HorologiumRPG when you ready A1Win |
| 11:49.36 | DeadZergling | I went overboard on my boss 3 design |
| 11:49.41 | DeadZergling | gonna take me a solid week or two probably |
| 11:50.54 | duckies | last time I thought it would take me 1-2 weeks to finish something it took me a year ._. |
| 11:51.01 | duckies | sighs |
| 11:51.30 | DeadZergling | just keep in mind duckies, I'm a perfectionist |
| 11:51.37 | DeadZergling | could be a very, very long time before I'm happy with it, lol |
| 11:51.49 | duckies | aren't we all? |
| 11:52.02 | A1win | I'm there |
| 12:04.33 | G0A | I am not:D |
| 12:04.34 | *** join/#sc2mapster Thordmin (5280af80@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.128.175.128) |
| 12:04.47 | G0A | I like making half finished maps:))) |
| 12:04.53 | Zolden | lol, how to agree http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/snova_17/42505524/939327/939327_original.gif |
| 12:05.46 | G0A | speaking of, when will we ever play your new map duckies? |
| 12:05.47 | Thordmin | i wan't to make a power grid system to terran buildings but i have no idea where to start to :D |
| 12:06.30 | G0A | Thordmin I have a half finished map with system which is similar to power grid |
| 12:06.43 | G0A | I use beams to represent power transfer |
| 12:07.41 | Zolden | I use beaks to represent onthological senseless of existence |
| 12:08.25 | G0A | Zolden are you a duck? |
| 12:08.36 | Zolden | I do it for ducks around me |
| 12:08.57 | Zolden | like in "Surrounded by ducks" thriller |
| 12:10.44 | G0A | hmmm http://www.kickstarter.com.funnyordie.com.s3.amazonaws.com/projects/58376901/darkwing-duck :DDD |
| 12:11.08 | G0A | I was trying to search if there is a horror movie with ducks. (Sadly there are no such movies) |
| 12:16.07 | Zolden | G0A lol, those pledge rewards |
| 12:16.26 | Zolden | Pledge $1,000,000 or more |
| 12:16.29 | Zolden | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.29 | Zolden | You get my face. |
| 12:16.31 | G0A | :) |
| 12:17.08 | Zolden | Pledge $100,000 or more |
| 12:17.08 | Zolden | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.08 | Zolden | We get a Face/Off style surgery, only with our vocal chords. Then you take over my job, business, and start a new life with my voice. But not my face. |
| 12:22.44 | G0A | Worth it! |
| 12:23.44 | Zolden | casts faster mapmaking spell on duckies |
| 12:28.17 | DeadZergling | think I successfully killed A1win in my map more than he killed me in his |
| 12:28.30 | A1win | :P |
| 12:28.45 | DeadZergling | to be fair though, he did pick the easiest to kill class in the game |
| 12:29.54 | DeadZergling | only fair way to do it, Mage has highest damage potential, so also has weakest defense |
| 12:30.48 | DeadZergling | shoulda gave you a little more cheat XP, could see my firework spell |
| 12:31.07 | DeadZergling | I like that spell so much I've considered making maps based around just that ability, lol |
| 12:31.16 | Thordmin | G0A what kind of power system you have in your map? |
| 12:32.07 | Thordmin | im gonna make a basic power system first, but ultimately would like it to have upgradeable generators, power links etc. etc |
| 12:33.41 | Thordmin | and the power links would only allow certain amount of energy through before exploding, like 32 MJ/s or so |
| 12:33.53 | Thordmin | but hell it'll be hard to do |
| 12:34.11 | DeadZergling | by the way, does anyone know how to add actor tooltips? |
| 12:34.22 | DeadZergling | like if I hover over a marine, it shows me some text? |
| 12:34.32 | Thordmin | maybe that kind of a power grid would be good next monthly trigger/mapping challenge |
| 12:35.17 | A1win | DeadZergling, just add a tooltip in UI: Highlight Tooltip, and maybe toggle some unit flags |
| 12:35.38 | A1win | like turn off the No Tooltip flag |
| 12:35.45 | A1win | and maybe No Highlight |
| 12:36.26 | A1win | Cannot Be Highlighted that is |
| 12:36.36 | A1win | not sure if that affects the tooltip or just trigger e vent |
| 12:36.37 | A1win | *event |
| 12:37.20 | DeadZergling | Hrmmm, checking something |
| 12:37.41 | A1win | you can also add icons in text if you need with <img path="path/texturefile.dds" height="something" width="something" alignment="absolutemiddle"/> |
| 12:39.20 | duckies | mapmakes vigorously |
| 12:39.35 | duckies | what are you talking about G0A, my hero map? |
| 12:39.54 | duckies | if yes, then .. well.. |
| 12:40.24 | DeadZergling | you want a horror movie with ducks |
| 12:40.31 | DeadZergling | just watch the true facts about ducks video |
| 12:40.35 | DeadZergling | on youtube |
| 12:40.45 | A1win | I suppose I should just allow weapon selection while on a planet |
| 12:40.48 | A1win | with number keys |
| 12:40.53 | DeadZergling | totally not seeing any of these tooltip flags by the way |
| 12:40.56 | A1win | and maybe shift+number to switch ability |
| 12:41.02 | A1win | DeadZergling, unit flags |
| 12:41.04 | A1win | not in actor |
| 12:42.32 | DeadZergling | okay, guess i need a behavior rela quick |
| 12:43.02 | A1win | behavior? |
| 12:43.42 | DeadZergling | as I told you, it is complicated |
| 12:43.57 | DeadZergling | I simply can't make all units be unselectable, needs to be through a behavior so I can turn it off on a by unit basis |
| 12:44.09 | A1win | oh |
| 12:44.35 | A1win | dunno if behaviors can toggle that |
| 12:44.42 | A1win | triggers can at least |
| 12:44.45 | DeadZergling | they sure can |
| 12:44.55 | DeadZergling | is really easy what I'll do too if this works |
| 12:45.09 | DeadZergling | add unselectable behavior to all units |
| 12:45.14 | DeadZergling | monsters anyways |
| 12:45.30 | DeadZergling | have my possession behavior block the unselectable behavior |
| 12:45.53 | DeadZergling | and tada, funner to play and still works as I want it to |
| 12:45.53 | A1win | mm sounds about right |
| 12:45.57 | duckies | btw, G0A, think I should develop more that submission minigame, so that we have more ways to die during mapnights? I kinda like the concept and it was fun but I can't see if it's possible to go anywhere with it :/ |
| 12:46.14 | A1win | now I need a new weapon selection UI D: |
| 12:46.27 | duckies | hm, I'll probably add scoring so that it isn't infinate and see if playing it inspires me further |
| 12:46.33 | A1win | the old one was a bit too compilacted, required selecting the slot to equip the weapon into |
| 12:47.55 | G0A | ThordminI can send you the map. The power thing works quite okey, all units use energy which are transfered by beams. The only thing which was troubling is to visually represent increased energy flow by the beams... |
| 12:48.13 | DeadZergling | behavior is a little annoying for testing |
| 12:48.19 | DeadZergling | but overall it works better |
| 12:48.25 | DeadZergling | less user annoyance |
| 12:48.38 | G0A | duckies so you gave up on hero map? And yeah minimap would be awesome |
| 12:49.28 | G0A | btw best if you start from 0 for minigames as the map they sent to me are pretty crapy.D |
| 12:49.28 | DeadZergling | is a good idea, will still take me hours to adjust it on 50 some monsters, MUCH longer if I do it for all items too |
| 12:49.39 | A1win | ;p |
| 12:52.13 | duckies | G0A, I haven't, but you could say that for me that map is a journey, not a destination, so it's gonna take long. Besides it's a 4 player co-op with slow pace, thus not playable on MapNight, though I'll use that chance to bugtest tech |
| 12:53.04 | Zolden | slows duckies in the pace |
| 12:53.08 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tolkfan (~Thunderbi@host-89-230-245-120.nowydwor.mm.pl) |
| 12:53.38 | duckies | G0A I meant my falling tiles submission map, I don't have enough capacity to think of more than 2 minigames that I would sincirely enjoy |
| 12:54.13 | duckies | paces zolden in the slow |
| 12:54.32 | Zolden | places duckies in the flow |
| 12:54.37 | DeadZergling | hrrrrrmmm, this tooltip business might be a problem A1win, lol |
| 12:54.55 | A1win | how so? ;p |
| 12:55.00 | Zolden | adds a tooltip to duckies beak |
| 12:55.08 | duckies | rearranges flow to go where hi wants to go |
| 12:55.19 | G0A | duckies maybe I should make my sliding map into a minigame platform:D |
| 12:55.59 | duckies | adds text to zolden-placed tooltip "you are now seeing tooltips" |
| 12:56.38 | DeadZergling | well, you know how annoying it was when you'd click on them accidentally |
| 12:56.42 | duckies | G0A maybe, but you'd need 12+ minigames so that game stays varied |
| 12:56.52 | Zolden | G0A that music was good |
| 12:56.56 | DeadZergling | I'm kinda thinking players will be annoyed when they see tooltips popping up all over |
| 12:57.04 | A1win | :x true... |
| 12:57.06 | DeadZergling | and can't see shit because tooltips are taking over the world |
| 12:57.14 | Zolden | yea |
| 12:57.21 | A1win | maybe consider a scripted info box that appears when you click a unit? ;p |
| 12:57.47 | duckies | G0A you could make a thread maybe and we could talk about minigames general stuff, maybe we'd come on a conclusion of what would make a compelling one |
| 12:58.13 | duckies | that's far too maybes in one sentence, something's in the way |
| 12:58.25 | duckies | removes zoldens tooltip |
| 12:58.31 | duckies | we'll see if it's better npw |
| 12:59.10 | DeadZergling | well, got a better idea |
| 12:59.13 | G0A | duckies Uther party has 50+ games in w3 :D |
| 12:59.13 | DeadZergling | no tooltips |
| 12:59.36 | DeadZergling | if they care what they are fighting, will be a beastiary in the tutorial section |
| 12:59.43 | DeadZergling | they can read all about it there |
| 12:59.47 | A1win | hehe |
| 13:00.11 | duckies | were they all equally awesome so that you wouldn't thingk "oh no, not this again" not for a single one |
| 13:00.28 | G0A | Zolden here is some new funky from Russia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKEQO_EuLs4 :D |
| 13:00.45 | duckies | ha! I almost mispelled "think" with "thing", but on rereading noticed mistake and fixed it |
| 13:00.54 | duckies | and now I'll never do such thing again! |
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| 13:15.54 | DeadZergling | hurray for copy paste behaviors anyways |
| 13:17.08 | DeadZergling | so did not want to edit all 200 items one at a time |
| 13:23.03 | Zolden | faps on his perfectly organized map |
| 13:23.55 | G0A | losses his erection in his chaotic map |
| 13:25.35 | DeadZergling | *wonders how in God's name he found the time to add THAT many items to be adjusted slightly* |
| 13:26.07 | DeadZergling | just so many, but oh well, sleep now |
| 13:27.09 | duckies | no dz, sleep is for the living, you keep on mapping |
| 13:27.24 | G0A | need to find 4 model for new waves for my td |
| 13:27.47 | duckies | use the hots lab bot |
| 13:28.08 | duckies | they look like portal turrets, sterile and futuristic, everyone will love them |
| 13:28.10 | DeadZergling | by the way duckies, did you watch True Facts about Ducks yet? |
| 13:28.26 | duckies | yeah, someone linked it here once |
| 13:28.31 | duckies | probably you :D |
| 13:29.45 | duckies | it makes sense actually, I keep on making small minigamin-sh maps to compensate for some other huge posessons >.> |
| 13:30.45 | G0A | :D |
| 13:31.19 | G0A | my map arent hots, however I guess its okey to copy the models into wol now. |
| 13:31.51 | duckies | that's true, though why bother |
| 13:32.11 | duckies | just add hots so that you got a bigger arry of assets to chose from |
| 13:32.21 | DeadZergling | all right, I'm outta here before I find something else to do |
| 13:32.24 | duckies | when you want to change something |
| 13:32.27 | DeadZergling | see you around later :) |
| 13:32.33 | duckies | see you soon |
| 13:34.22 | Zolden | duckies adding hots affects loading time |
| 13:34.48 | G0A | I wonder if free arcade will kill w3 custom map scene |
| 13:35.02 | G0A | not that it is alive |
| 13:35.11 | G0A | but some still play w3 custom maps |
| 13:36.18 | G0A | yeah I wont add hots for 5 or so models |
| 13:36.38 | duckies | is it really that significant? "o |
| 13:37.19 | duckies | I meant, is loading time difference noticable? |
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| 13:42.57 | Drakonis | oh hey. |
| 13:43.08 | Drakonis | blizzcon over and they didn't even clarify something |
| 13:43.23 | Drakonis | if the map arcade is free, does that mean i can play the maps that require HotS assets? |
| 13:43.52 | MoonEater916 | yes |
| 13:43.55 | A1win | they said it's "completely free" |
| 13:44.01 | A1win | so I'd assume it's completely free |
| 13:44.01 | Drakonis | hrm. |
| 13:44.04 | Drakonis | i'd assume |
| 13:44.12 | Drakonis | but its free for those who didn't buy sc2. |
| 13:44.18 | Drakonis | because there's always a catch. |
| 13:44.28 | A1win | it's already free to those who bought SC2 |
| 13:44.36 | MoonEater916 | its odd my irc client has a wierd icon next to grum.... |
| 13:45.01 | Drakonis | you can't access the maps with HotS assets |
| 13:45.09 | A1win | MoonEater916, he appears to have voice (+v mode) |
| 13:45.22 | A1win | (which means he can talk if the channel is moderated with +m mode) |
| 13:45.24 | MoonEater916 | and kealten? |
| 13:45.33 | A1win | he is operator |
| 13:45.43 | A1win | can kick/ban/set modes etc. |
| 13:45.47 | MoonEater916 | oh, i forgot |
| 13:46.01 | MoonEater916 | this is a new client im using |
| 13:46.05 | A1win | Drakonis, not currently |
| 13:46.10 | MoonEater916 | im used to moderators havign # or @ |
| 13:46.19 | A1win | I mean, not if you haven't bought hots |
| 13:46.27 | Drakonis | i didn't buy HotS |
| 13:46.28 | A1win | but arcade is already completely free to those who have hots |
| 13:46.47 | A1win | so if they say they will change it to be completely free, it must mean that it will be completely free for everyone |
| 13:46.56 | A1win | even for starter edition |
| 13:47.16 | A1win | they already have the Spawning feature that lets anyone play it for free in a group so it's not that big of a change anyway |
| 13:47.25 | Drakonis | there's always a catch |
| 13:47.41 | A1win | the catch is that they get more players to SC2 |
| 13:47.52 | A1win | everyone wins ;p |
| 13:48.22 | A1win | it's not like people buy SC2 anymore just to be able to play the arcade |
| 13:48.24 | A1win | or at least not many |
| 13:48.42 | Drakonis | i did buy it for the arcade :v |
| 13:48.51 | A1win | I did say "anymore" |
| 13:48.53 | Drakonis | the arcade is much more fun than the base game |
| 13:49.15 | A1win | they just want to make the community bigger |
| 13:49.19 | A1win | before it dies |
| 13:49.37 | Drakonis | unless blizzard gets really lucky with maps |
| 13:49.38 | MoonEater916 | well is hero of storms going to be stand alone isnt it? |
| 13:49.44 | MoonEater916 | they should merge it in sc2 |
| 13:49.52 | Drakonis | it was a sc2 mod |
| 13:50.02 | A1win | it was, then they changed it to standalone |
| 13:52.57 | MoonEater916 | is sc2 art tools beta exclusive to 2011? |
| 13:53.07 | Zolden | yea |
| 13:53.08 | MoonEater916 | i cant seem to find the plugin in 2014 |
| 13:53.11 | MoonEater916 | omg |
| 13:53.16 | MoonEater916 | :( |
| 13:53.39 | MoonEater916 | ur joking right zolden? |
| 13:54.14 | Zolden | you have fucking documentation if you don't belive me |
| 13:55.21 | MoonEater916 | ya, but when it says only compatible with 2011 most people asusme that means its just untested with newer versions |
| 13:55.29 | MoonEater916 | they dont expect to get ass fked |
| 13:55.48 | Zolden | G0A one of your compatriots http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/project-workplace/59390-warcraft-races-war/?post=1 |
| 13:56.07 | Zolden | MoonEater916 and they get ass fucked |
| 13:58.09 | MoonEater916 | you would think they would atleast make the plugin alteast alittle foward compatible... |
| 13:59.43 | duckies | tomi200, I wonder if he's 13 years old :D |
| 14:00.23 | Zolden | yea, 10-13 |
| 14:01.24 | duckies | yeha gwammr is such a givavay |
| 14:01.36 | duckies | shit, I'm beaing mean away |
| 14:01.42 | duckies | exiles himself |
| 14:05.58 | A1win | http://unity3d.com/unity/whats-new |
| 14:06.06 | A1win | 2D stuff O: |
| 14:12.43 | MoonEater916 | what does that make me like 2? |
| 14:13.11 | MoonEater916 | duckies |
| 14:13.53 | MoonEater916 | A1win does unity have an arcade type place? |
| 14:14.07 | A1win | it has unity store |
| 14:14.12 | A1win | where you can sell stuff or give stuff for free |
| 14:14.31 | A1win | but no matchmaking |
| 14:14.55 | A1win | or anything that affects the game itself |
| 14:15.03 | MoonEater916 | well not that like |
| 14:15.03 | A1win | it's pretty much just a marketplace |
| 14:15.15 | MoonEater916 | a place were games r collected and played |
| 14:15.18 | MoonEater916 | reguarly |
| 14:15.37 | A1win | that doesn't really make much sense |
| 14:15.42 | A1win | unity games are standalone |
| 14:15.47 | MoonEater916 | i know |
| 14:16.37 | MoonEater916 | im trying to fomulate corherent thought |
| 14:17.28 | MoonEater916 | i like sc2 cause it has an arcade, a place were games are collected and players can easily get to play and give a map attention and if its a decent map they get decent attention. |
| 14:17.58 | A1win | mm it's alright |
| 14:18.06 | A1win | no need for marketing |
| 14:18.12 | MoonEater916 | exactly |
| 14:18.27 | A1win | but then again, it's also full of shitty games ;p |
| 14:18.32 | MoonEater916 | if unity had somthign like that |
| 14:18.42 | MoonEater916 | i would consider switching there |
| 14:18.59 | A1win | you can always get decent attention if you make decent stuff |
| 14:19.00 | MoonEater916 | oh im sure theres alot of shitty unity stuff |
| 14:19.03 | MoonEater916 | ive seen some |
| 14:19.10 | MoonEater916 | like a sc2 unity rippofff |
| 14:19.19 | A1win | I didn't mean that |
| 14:19.34 | A1win | I mean that if unity had something like arcade, it would just get filled with crappy stuff that people make |
| 14:19.47 | duckies | if only unity had a bunch of free cool-looking assets like sc2 has :s |
| 14:20.03 | A1win | dunno how much stuff unity store hass |
| 14:20.03 | A1win | *has |
| 14:20.07 | A1win | but there is some free stuff there too |
| 14:20.08 | MoonEater916 | so u dont think Aeon and warships, and mafia and such r well made games? |
| 14:20.12 | MoonEater916 | jetcraft? |
| 14:20.24 | A1win | I didn't say that either, though I haven't played those anyway |
| 14:20.40 | MoonEater916 | kobold tribes |
| 14:20.42 | MoonEater916 | is a very wellmade game |
| 14:20.43 | A1win | (assuming they aren't very good ;>) |
| 14:20.51 | A1win | I don't like most games these days |
| 14:20.53 | MoonEater916 | they are all good |
| 14:20.54 | A1win | even commercial ones |
| 14:21.28 | MoonEater916 | must be from an extreem love of your games |
| 14:21.29 | MoonEater916 | :P |
| 14:22.20 | A1win | anyway, why would it have to be unity-specific? |
| 14:22.38 | A1win | since those games are standalone |
| 14:22.46 | A1win | just a generic service with matchmaking and game listing |
| 14:23.16 | A1win | (like steam) |
| 14:23.36 | MoonEater916 | is theres a steam for unity? |
| 14:23.44 | MoonEater916 | i would conceed with that |
| 14:23.47 | A1win | ._o |
| 14:24.02 | A1win | you can put unity games up on steam if you want just like any other games |
| 14:24.06 | duckies | why.. would you need a steam for unity, if you have steam for everything? |
| 14:24.08 | A1win | (if it is approved) |
| 14:24.24 | duckies | ah, yea, I get it |
| 14:24.31 | A1win | but if you make a commercial game, you wouldn't want to rely on some shitty rating system to make your game popular anyway |
| 14:24.35 | A1win | you'll want proper marketing |
| 14:24.42 | duckies | you want a place where all user-created content is listed |
| 14:24.58 | duckies | without any quality filtering like the blizz arcade :D |
| 14:26.06 | A1win | I'd suppose there are some websites where you can easily share freeware games that you make though |
| 14:26.07 | MoonEater916 | A1win, not reality doesnt steam have quality control? |
| 14:26.15 | MoonEater916 | ya |
| 14:26.15 | A1win | it does |
| 14:26.35 | duckies | damnit, I just realized, I'd rather spend evening playing D3 than playing Arcade.. how low have I fallen in my apathy ,_, |
| 14:26.36 | MoonEater916 | quality control should be the ranking it has based on popularity like sc2 |
| 14:26.50 | MoonEater916 | shitty games pile up past 100 |
| 14:27.08 | duckies | popular != well-made? |
| 14:27.15 | MoonEater916 | ducky u can play my demo |
| 14:27.22 | duckies | what is it? |
| 14:27.31 | MoonEater916 | come to NA |
| 14:27.32 | MoonEater916 | ill show u |
| 14:27.36 | duckies | I can't I'm at work |
| 14:27.45 | MoonEater916 | oh well |
| 14:43.23 | Zolden | duckies popular == well designed |
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| 15:01.33 | duckies | still, mass appeal shouldn't be the goal of designer |
| 15:01.56 | duckies | otherwise we'll never have a god-game again |
| 15:04.07 | G0A | A1win http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qE8cuHI93c |
| 15:11.24 | A1win | yeah that's on the page I linked ;x |
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| 15:23.36 | G0A | A1win didnt notice that.D |
| 15:36.14 | kingTD | Zolden report |
| 15:36.54 | Zolden | rappoport |
| 15:37.24 | Zolden | i'm typing tooltips and implementing costs for all stuff, which is a pain ni the ass, because there are 7 resources |
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| 15:40.41 | Zolden | game's playable now, but sends and main base defences are not implemented, as well as other minor things |
| 15:41.44 | A1win | ha, now you need to press a wasd-key down to be able to jump from a planet, so that you can easily land by thrusting towards a planet |
| 15:41.52 | A1win | otherwise it'd jump away as soon as it lands if you hold a key down |
| 15:42.37 | G0A | Zolden how do you show up 7 resource? |
| 15:42.46 | Zolden | 3 -> dialogs |
| 15:42.50 | Zolden | + tooltips |
| 15:42.56 | G0A | ehh |
| 15:43.05 | Zolden | +requirements and triggers to check/spend |
| 15:43.08 | G0A | do you use catalogs to change tooltips?:) |
| 15:43.39 | Zolden | in this case i don't need it. And I don't wnat to turn them red if not anough, jsut disabling the button |
| 15:43.43 | Zolden | BECUASE FUCK IT |
| 15:44.03 | G0A | :D |
| 15:44.09 | Zolden | in rol i do use the catalog approach and it worked |
| 15:44.09 | G0A | It would be easier that way |
| 15:45.33 | Zolden | maybe easy, i jsut try different approaches every time, it's funnier to invent something new than to use something not entirely perfect |
| 15:46.26 | G0A | true |
| 16:02.36 | Dustin | http://unity3d.com/unity/whats-new |
| 16:02.45 | Dustin | Time to move on for some sweet 2d games |
| 16:07.01 | Zolden | unity had no 2d b4? |
| 16:08.33 | A1win | not very good 2D stuff |
| 16:08.38 | A1win | just some crappy UI implementation |
| 16:09.04 | A1win | although it supports plugins, and there's also a scaleform plugin for unity so you have options |
| 16:09.16 | A1win | (that one costs quite a bit though) |
| 16:10.41 | A1win | whee now I have a simpler weapon selection system |
| 16:10.49 | A1win | just displays "tabs" on the icon |
| 16:15.37 | Dustin | nice A1win! |
| 16:16.14 | G0A | Unity 4.3 or Free Arcade, that is the question. |
| 16:16.14 | A1win | but you can only use it with hotkeys and can't see the weapon before you select it... but if there's only 4, it shouldn't be that hard to remember them |
| 16:16.44 | Dustin | GOA, depends on the game and if you want to make money :P |
| 16:16.55 | Zolden | yea, make it easy for ppl who used to it, not for a stupid noob |
| 16:17.40 | G0A | Maybe I should finish my unity random slide game in 2d. |
| 16:19.01 | Zolden | unity shmunity |
| 16:20.53 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a76/SC2%202013-11-12%2018-19-46-19.jpg |
| 16:20.55 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a76/SC2%202013-11-12%2018-19-47-24.jpg |
| 16:21.07 | A1win | now there's only 2 slotso the icons are that wide |
| 16:21.10 | A1win | *slots |
| 16:21.15 | A1win | O.o |
| 16:21.17 | A1win | *slots so |
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| 16:22.27 | Zolden | looks nice |
| 16:23.06 | Zolden | laconic to the limit interface ftw |
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| 16:24.38 | A1win | it also fades out when you leave the planet |
| 16:24.59 | Zolden | can you guys simultaneously press "0" and "1" keus by left hand's indax and little fingers? |
| 16:25.12 | A1win | now there's 4 slots http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a76/SC2%202013-11-12%2018-24-32-68.jpg |
| 16:25.51 | A1win | I can reach 1 and 0 but haven't used to it so I can't find the keys ;p |
| 16:26.24 | Zolden | you type numbers on the num pad? |
| 16:26.42 | Dustin | Zolden, I can reach 1-backspace |
| 16:26.54 | A1win | I type 6-0 with right hand |
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| 16:27.08 | A1win | or 7-0 rather |
| 16:27.12 | Zolden | Dustin thumb involved? |
| 16:27.26 | Dustin | Oh wait, index and little, I can do 1-0 with that, thumb is 1-backspace |
| 16:27.37 | Dustin | Guitar fingers |
| 16:27.42 | Zolden | he-he |
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| 16:28.22 | Zolden | A1win what if you use right hand to click other edit fields? |
| 16:28.46 | A1win | then I'm doing it very slowly ;p |
| 16:29.04 | Zolden | that's waht i'm talking about |
| 16:29.32 | Zolden | guitar ysers mapmake faster |
| 16:29.52 | Zolden | especially when they need to type aplot of 1's and 0's |
| 16:31.05 | A1win | I sometimes use numpad though |
| 16:31.29 | A1win | but can't do all numbers well with that either |
| 16:31.39 | A1win | at least easier to press 0 with it ;p |
| 16:32.29 | MoonEater916 | Zolden |
| 16:32.37 | Zolden | yea? |
| 16:32.47 | MoonEater916 | is its viable to import m3? |
| 16:32.53 | Zolden | with m3 exporter |
| 16:33.01 | MoonEater916 | into 3ds |
| 16:33.25 | Zolden | but install it on another version of max 10 or 11, it's not friendly with art tools |
| 16:33.41 | MoonEater916 | wait |
| 16:33.53 | MoonEater916 | what do u use to import M3 into 3ds |
| 16:34.52 | MoonEater916 | Zolden |
| 16:36.10 | Zolden | <Zolden> with m3 exporter |
| 16:37.27 | MoonEater916 | so you can import into 3ds with the m3 exporter in art tools? |
| 16:37.42 | Zolden | it's not art tools |
| 16:37.48 | Zolden | diffferent plugin |
| 16:37.51 | Zolden | search on forum |
| 16:38.30 | MoonEater916 | kk |
| 16:53.08 | MoonEater916 | -- Runtime error: Starcraft 2 Object definition file not found |
| 16:53.08 | MoonEater916 | Make sure sc2_objects.ms is loaded before trying to import |
| 16:53.12 | MoonEater916 | Zolden |
| 16:56.12 | Zolden | <Zolden> but install it on another version of max 10 or 11, it's not friendly with art tools |
| 16:56.27 | Zolden | and i'm not the one to communicate about m3 exporter's bugas |
| 16:56.34 | Zolden | there's a huge thread about it |
| 17:06.09 | Thordmin | i need gax3 library file to test out some things, but sc2mapster files bring server error when trying to download the file |
| 17:06.35 | Thordmin | can someone send it to me? |
| 17:16.53 | Zolden | try this http://bbs.islga.org/forum.php?mod=attachment&aid=MTA3ODIyfDlmNDkwMDc5fDEzODQyNzY1OTZ8MHwzNjc3MjU%3D |
| 17:17.22 | Zolden | oh, that requires registration, nvm |
| 17:33.57 | Zolden | how would be more correct to say "20% chance per attack" or "20% per attack chance"? |
| 17:35.15 | turtles1 | Zolden: so each time an attack happens there is a 20% chance of X. Correct? |
| 17:35.22 | turtles1 | then I'd say the first one |
| 17:35.23 | Zolden | yea |
| 17:35.28 | Dustin | agreed |
| 17:35.29 | Zolden | ok, ty |
| 17:43.07 | kingTD | second feels like selling jews |
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| 17:50.08 | turtles1 | later, peeps. |
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| 17:51.07 | dvzon | Hello |
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| 17:52.40 | dvzon | I'm using the Raven Seeker Missile ability on a unit, and I have it so it targets a point, rather than a unit. The issue is that the missile dies about halfway before the point it's supposed to reach. I've tweaked several things to make it last longer, but nothing will do. Any ideas so i can increase the missile range? |
| 17:54.31 | Zolden | dvzon Seeker missile timeout mehavior may be responsible |
| 17:55.14 | dvzon | Im gonna check that out again |
| 17:55.15 | dvzon | Thank u |
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| 18:18.40 | Zolden | G0A pretty vivid music |
| 18:18.48 | Zolden | the one you linked as "russian" |
| 18:23.39 | kingTD | how does ladder ranks image called in mpq? |
| 18:27.18 | ArcanePariah | Random actor question, how does one create multiple copies of an actor for a single event without just copying pasting the same event over and over? |
| 18:29.43 | Zolden | ArcanePariah example? |
| 18:30.31 | ArcanePariah | Say for instance, on a damage effect starting for an aoe, I want to display multiple bombshell things... now that I think of it, I need to look at Odin barrage, since that is what I'm looking for |
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| 18:30.36 | CryptRat | Still have no idea what "Defer Cooldown" does. |
| 18:30.53 | CryptRat | I think I figured a work around for the Player-linked cooldown problem I had. |
| 18:31.13 | CryptRat | I'm just going to remove the ability disable component of a behavior and see if that fixes it. |
| 18:31.59 | ArcanePariah | Hmm, Odin doesn't work for me since it is a periodic damage effect so it creates the actor for every damage instnace |
| 18:32.39 | kingTD | mb someone needs wallpaper http://i.imgur.com/8aXo3.jpg |
| 18:34.18 | Zolden | ArcanePariah yea, 1 actor for effect that happens multiple time is probably a solution |
| 18:34.44 | ArcanePariah | So I just need to copy paste the event in the actor for as many times as I want it to occur? |
| 18:34.49 | Zolden | kingTD all parts of it should be wooden |
| 18:35.01 | ArcanePariah | In my case, Damage Effect Starts -> Create |
| 18:35.53 | Zolden | ArcanePariah I thoughtt about creating a persistent, that will create the effect X times, and actor will have only 1 create event and will be created for each effect instance |
| 18:37.07 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, that seems to be the way to fake it |
| 18:37.18 | ArcanePariah | Run a dummy effect X times from a persistent |
| 18:37.29 | Zolden | yea |
| 18:37.48 | MoonEater916 | Zolden |
| 18:37.54 | Zolden | and if you want a set of offsets within a circle of some radius, i can give it to you |
| 18:38.03 | MoonEater916 | i can get the damn sc2 objects |
| 18:38.04 | MoonEater916 | to work |
| 18:38.05 | Zolden | i wrote a program to generate offsets |
| 18:38.20 | Zolden | MoonEater916 as i said earlier, there is a thread |
| 18:38.27 | MoonEater916 | link it? |
| 18:38.59 | ArcanePariah | Well I don't need the effect offset, just the animations and that is easily done with site ops (Random Point in Circle) |
| 18:39.00 | Zolden | mainfully hits MoonEater916 |
| 18:39.16 | MoonEater916 | lolz |
| 18:39.16 | Stewox | talking about the smoking gun a few days ago |
| 18:39.16 | MoonEater916 | link me Zolden |
| 18:39.22 | Zolden | no! |
| 18:39.41 | ArcanePariah | links MoonEater916 to a hand, aka slaps him |
| 18:39.47 | ArcanePariah | :P |
| 18:39.55 | Zolden | it's on the motherfucking forum, visible even without the motherfucking search you lazy motherfucker!!!!!!! |
| 18:40.02 | Stewox | jademussreg speculated what i mean with that and well, i have one really good now |
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| 18:40.14 | ArcanePariah | From motherfucker russia with motherfucker love? |
| 18:40.21 | ArcanePariah | xd |
| 18:40.23 | ArcanePariah | XD |
| 18:40.46 | Stewox | MoonEater916, you want to see a smoking gun that just went live 40 minutes ago, that's probably, should become worldwide news in the coming days |
| 18:41.41 | Stewox | here it is http://www.scribd.com/doc/183600279/%E2%80%9CPort-Security-Video-Surveillance-System-with-Wireless-Mesh-Network%E2%80%9D-Seattle |
| 18:41.48 | CryptRat | Not disabling abilities seems to have the effect I want. |
| 18:42.15 | CryptRat | However apparently Defer Cooldown was preventing the ability from going on cooldown immediately when the ability was queued. |
| 18:42.37 | CryptRat | I thought I added Wait To Spend to fix that. :/ |
| 18:44.39 | ArcanePariah | CryptRat: I believe that Defer Cooldown and Wait to Spend do the same thing, just one is purely for cooldown, the other for cost, since those 2 are always separate on any object |
| 18:44.44 | CryptRat | Wait to spend must be the energy cost component. |
| 18:45.08 | CryptRat | Yeah It took me a moment. ^_^; |
| 18:45.53 | Zolden | MoonEater916 found it? |
| 18:45.58 | MoonEater916 | ya |
| 18:46.01 | MoonEater916 | nre error |
| 18:46.03 | Zolden | that's better |
| 18:46.04 | MoonEater916 | new error |
| 18:46.06 | MoonEater916 | --------------------------- |
| 18:46.07 | MoonEater916 | Import failed |
| 18:46.07 | MoonEater916 | --------------------------- |
| 18:46.07 | MoonEater916 | Import failed |
| 18:46.07 | MoonEater916 | -- No ""get"" function for undefined |
| 18:46.07 | MoonEater916 | --------------------------- |
| 18:46.07 | MoonEater916 | OK |
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| 18:46.08 | MoonEater916 | --------------------------- |
| 18:46.24 | CryptRat | ArcanePariah, by chance do you know why an ability would execute multiple queued orders immediately without waitig for the cooldown between and then adding the cooldowns for each use and going for cooldown afterward for that long? |
| 18:46.32 | Zolden | MoonEater916 note: it doesn't import hots models |
| 18:46.43 | CryptRat | Like three uses of a 20-second cooldown all at once and then go on cooldown for 60 seconds. |
| 18:46.47 | MoonEater916 | its the flat plane model u gave me |
| 18:46.53 | MoonEater916 | originaly made is 3ds |
| 18:47.06 | Zolden | MoonEater916 it's hots model, art tools saves in hots format |
| 18:47.15 | Zolden | why didn't you ask me for a max file? |
| 18:47.23 | MoonEater916 | wanted to learn stuff |
| 18:47.52 | Zolden | I have recorded a little tutorial about making a sprite model |
| 18:48.06 | Zolden | check my thread in artist tavern subforum |
| 18:48.18 | MoonEater916 | u use texture swap? |
| 18:48.46 | Zolden | are we not talking about max? |
| 18:51.30 | G0A | finally I got Hearthstone key |
| 18:52.26 | ArcanePariah | CryptRat: Because you are deferring cooldown, it is checking at execution, is this on cooldown? No, so execute, and doing this to the entire queue, since while the queue is active, the cooldowns won't activate |
| 18:53.14 | CryptRat | No nono, what I mean is that I queue three uses of an ability with a 20-second cooldown. |
| 18:53.19 | kingTD | does anyone know how the Ladder Ranks image called? |
| 18:53.34 | CryptRat | Normally this would cause one to happen, the unit waits 20 seconds, does the second, waits 20 more seconds and then does the third. |
| 18:53.50 | CryptRat | But I'm experiencing the unit doing all three uses simultaneously and then going on cooldown for 60 seconds. |
| 18:54.13 | CryptRat | This is only happening when I have the ability's cooldown link marked as Player. |
| 18:54.34 | duckies | G0A, if you feel like playing against me in heartstone - feel free to ping :D |
| 18:55.17 | Zolden | kingTD there was a thread where a guy posted all of them |
| 18:55.25 | duckies | though I'm on basic decks, only got mage slightly modfied, all with level-up cards thoug |
| 18:55.28 | kingTD | :s |
| 18:59.19 | G0A | duckies I dont even feel like installing it |
| 19:01.30 | duckies | but it's an awesome way to procastinate mapping! |
| 19:03.43 | duckies | besides, it's chill and nice.. but whatever, maybe you'll update your arena map instead so I don't want to have a say in this :D |
| 19:04.51 | duckies | meh, my duck hypnosis skill is rather weak anyway >.> |
| 19:13.24 | ArcanePariah | lol duckies, you could attempt to bribe G0A with food, works quite well |
| 19:15.36 | Ahli | hmmm, I've added story dependency to my map... now it loads its triggers because I've used one action at one point. But now I'm not using it anymore... is there a reliable way to tell the GUI trigger editor to not initialize that library? |
| 19:15.54 | Ahli | it's killing my sc2 process creating billions of threads |
| 19:16.21 | Ahli | I've checked my code and I don't have a trigger reference to that library anymore o0 |
| 19:18.41 | Ahli | kerrigan life too low trigger just started 17500+ times and overlord rally 52k+ times in the first few second of my map |
| 19:20.53 | MoonEater916 | Zolden i use the flat plane and texture swap to do sprites |
| 19:20.59 | MoonEater916 | can u send me a link to the file? |
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| 19:22.31 | G0A | duckies how big is heartstone ? |
| 19:22.55 | duckies | 2.93 |
| 19:22.59 | duckies | GB |
| 19:23.04 | G0A | hmm |
| 19:23.09 | Zolden | MoonEater916 http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/45/21/plane_diffuse_and_alpha.max |
| 19:23.29 | MoonEater916 | the one with no shadows? |
| 19:23.34 | Zolden | yea |
| 19:23.40 | G0A | duckies it says 1.33g |
| 19:23.42 | Zolden | i guess |
| 19:28.48 | Ahli | oh god, it's that huge? |
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| 19:30.18 | Dustin | most of the size is the 3d boards im sure |
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| 19:30.38 | Ahli | only using the swarm campaign dependency is better :) it seems to have all of the stuff of story mode... except for the trigger examples |
| 19:31.05 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 19:33.20 | ArcanePariah | Any game today is mostly the art/sound assets, I haven't seen a game with an executable more the 30-40 MB's in size |
| 19:35.01 | A1win | executables don't contain the engine code |
| 19:35.05 | A1win | it's in the dlls |
| 19:35.59 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, but even those are tiny compared to the art assets |
| 19:36.28 | ArcanePariah | I bet for SC2, 30% or more of the total size is purely cinematics |
| 19:36.56 | A1win | 4 GB of cinematics? |
| 19:37.20 | ArcanePariah | For Swarm+ WoL, wouldn't suprise me |
| 19:37.32 | A1win | oh actually SC2 is 30 GB in size :X |
| 19:37.38 | ArcanePariah | .../?? |
| 19:37.50 | ArcanePariah | SC2 folder for me is 13.3 gigs |
| 19:37.59 | A1win | odd |
| 19:38.54 | A1win | Campaigns folder is 21 GB |
| 19:38.55 | Triceron | are all your mod files in your SC2 folder? |
| 19:39.23 | Triceron | my campaign folder is 6gb, total is 13.8, similar to Arcane's |
| 19:39.23 | Kueken1 | 17 gig here |
| 19:39.31 | Kueken1 | and 4 gig documents foldr |
| 19:39.42 | A1win | ah it has all the different languages in campaigns |
| 19:40.11 | Kueken | campaign is 10 gig here |
| 19:40.19 | Kueken | probably has english and german |
| 19:40.40 | A1win | dunno why I have like 14 different languages |
| 19:41.46 | ArcanePariah | Welp, looking at the MPQs, the campaign textures + cinematics take up 1 gig |
| 19:41.53 | ArcanePariah | for WoL alone |
| 19:42.35 | G0A | 47 giga SC2 here, (seems like I need to clean it, all my mapping stuff is in a different folder) |
| 19:42.37 | ArcanePariah | take that back, thats purely cinematics |
| 19:42.46 | ArcanePariah | its just placed under texture folder |
| 19:42.52 | ArcanePariah | so WoL cinematics = 1 gig |
| 19:43.12 | ArcanePariah | Swarm Cinematics = 1.3 gigs |
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| 19:43.28 | ArcanePariah | So yeah... ciematics makes up about 15% of the total install size |
| 19:43.49 | ArcanePariah | The rest is models/sounds, those are like another 8-9 gigs |
| 19:44.05 | ArcanePariah | as well as textures |
| 19:45.03 | Renee | 青蛙~~ |
| 19:45.12 | Zolden | while real men discuss boobs size, geeks discuss size of their games |
| 19:45.43 | ArcanePariah | So... real geeks discuss size of their porn files? |
| 19:46.30 | MoonEater916 | Zolden how do i turn off shadows on the plane? |
| 19:46.32 | Triceron | psh, you don't have to be a geek to discuss porn. Just a perv |
| 19:46.40 | Zolden | not senseless conclusion |
| 19:46.51 | Zolden | MoonEater916 material -> cast shadows |
| 19:46.53 | G0A | Zolden all geeks know that not the boob size that matters, its the shape that matters. |
| 19:47.05 | ArcanePariah | Mhmm, Quality >> Quantity |
| 19:47.24 | JademusSreg | Don't see how a mammary discussion would be useful outside of medical/surgical contexts. |
| 19:47.50 | JademusSreg | And perhaps biological, zoological. |
| 19:47.53 | Zolden | so, 3 perfect boobs > 2 medium quality boobs? |
| 19:47.53 | MoonEater916 | i dont want a shadow to be casted onto the plane |
| 19:48.00 | MoonEater916 | the plane can cast a shadow |
| 19:48.27 | Zolden | MoonEater916 material-> recieve shadows |
| 19:49.01 | Zolden | MoonEater916 anyway, read the whole art tools tutorial, also, read the names of the fields, they are precise and self explaining |
| 19:49.03 | JademusSreg | Zol, that's just 3q > 2q; true regardless of the metric. |
| 19:49.05 | MoonEater916 | kk |
| 19:50.04 | Zolden | JademusSreg in biology 3q < 2q when it's copies of chromosome |
| 19:50.25 | JademusSreg | q for quality, haha |
| 19:50.43 | G0A | there is no reason to have 3 boobs when you have 2 hand |
| 19:52.10 | Zolden | ok, 3q < 2q when it's a quality of ice you're trying to not fall while walking on... or when it's a quality of weapon enemy soldiers use vs you |
| 19:53.01 | Zolden | or nvm, logical inversion doesn't change the law it embraces |
| 19:54.02 | Zolden | G0A you can touch the 3rd boob with a penis |
| 19:59.35 | JademusSreg | I mean it just seems a bit cliche, talking sexual objectification on the internet. =D |
| 20:03.00 | G0A | agreed |
| 20:04.27 | G0A | anyway, anybody asexual here? :) |
| 20:06.18 | ArcanePariah | Small question that is bugging me. More and more online communities are asking/demanding more communication from game developers, yet when it does occur, gamers are outraged by various ideas that are considered by developers (even though they are merely ideas and literally nothing beyond a small discussion internally has be done on the idea)). Also it seems communities desire more frequent... |
| 20:06.20 | ArcanePariah | ...communication, yet are disappointed when each communication is relatively scarce of content? Thoughts? |
| 20:06.43 | ArcanePariah | awaits Jades succient and concise analyis |
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| 20:07.01 | G0A | PR is tricky thing |
| 20:07.12 | A1win | everyone wants a better world and are disappointed when it doesn't happen |
| 20:07.30 | A1win | *lots of people |
| 20:07.43 | kingTD | people go disappoineted even if world is going better |
| 20:08.09 | duckies | people want to be disappointed, everyone dreams of being a tragic misunderstood hero |
| 20:08.16 | ArcanePariah | From what I have seen lately, communities are incredibly angry if they get no communication, despite their poor attitude/behavior (See Diablo 3 last year and recent Diretide event with DotA 2 for examples). It seems people would rather receive bad news then no news at all |
| 20:08.21 | JademusSreg | Just looked like a set of observations rather than questions. |
| 20:08.42 | ArcanePariah | Well, the question is at the end. Thoughts on my observations? |
| 20:08.51 | A1win | "they seem like observations" |
| 20:08.56 | JademusSreg | Fairly accurate. |
| 20:09.41 | A1win | I need to (finally) come up with more weapons D: |
| 20:10.03 | ArcanePariah | For instance, the Diablo 3 developers have been more forthright with the next expansion, however they discussed an idea to further their game goal, that was just being considered, and people exploded over it |
| 20:10.25 | JademusSreg | Of course, I begin from the default position of having no interest in what other people think, especially players, so outrage just amuses me, personally. What people can argue in a design context, or what people do rather than say, now those interest me. |
| 20:11.04 | ArcanePariah | Well... in this context, how should developer handle such input and desire and factor it in to their development and design process? |
| 20:12.08 | ArcanePariah | It does appear the idea of suprising people with stuff you are developing is now view negatively, given that more often then not, that is used to shroud shortcomings of a game |
| 20:12.08 | JademusSreg | Echo chamber: have all feedback handled by a voice or such protocal, and play it back to all users providing feedback simultaneously. |
| 20:13.04 | ArcanePariah | Also, sadly, it does appear to be unprofessional to just bluntly tell your playerbase: No you don't know entirely what you are doing, otherwise we (as game developers) wouldn't have a job |
| 20:13.08 | A1win | how can I create a beam from a unit to a point with triggers? |
| 20:13.43 | ArcanePariah | I would assume a create actor would work |
| 20:14.05 | A1win | needs more than that |
| 20:14.08 | JademusSreg | Arc, that's exactly what I tell people. They can talk endlessly about their feelings, myopic arguments, threaten to quit, whatever, but actions are what matters. |
| 20:15.48 | JademusSreg | Therein lies the value of limited releases preceding a complete rollout. In SC2, the PTR allows Blizz to observe how players respond to changes. |
| 20:15.51 | Zolden | A1win create a site at point, use the site as beam's host impact |
| 20:16.06 | Zolden | there are function in gax you can check |
| 20:16.11 | Zolden | functions |
| 20:17.29 | ArcanePariah | Jade I agree, however often players complain (poorly imo) that they are being used as QA, instead of the developer doing their own QA |
| 20:21.00 | JademusSreg | Again, don't care what people think or say. Players could say the same of a business or politics or whatever silly thing, "I'm not gonna vote in the next election, this term was buggy and the system crashed all the time, like we're fucking TESTING democracy, such bullshit." |
| 20:23.13 | Dustin | Big software products require a QA audience bigger than a company can employ to test everything. That's partially why things have shifted to open development, people want to play shit even if it's buggy and you get free QA |
| 20:23.38 | Otixa | Someone say free shit? |
| 20:24.04 | Dustin | Free giving me blowies under the table. |
| 20:24.11 | Zolden | the bigger community is, the bitchier its members look, because bitching people are more noticable than normal ppl |
| 20:24.12 | JademusSreg | Don't need to posture, either. I can articulate my reasoning for such decisions, and will have those discussions with people as needed. No stonewalling, no vague diversions, just explaining the what and why. I don't need it to be palatable for the subliterate, just needs to be sincere. |
| 20:24.23 | Otixa | goes back to slacking |
| 20:25.05 | Triceron | stabs Otixa |
| 20:25.13 | Otixa | Goe a hway |
| 20:25.25 | ArcanePariah | slips Otixa a scotch |
| 20:25.36 | Otixa | nuh |
| 20:25.38 | Otixa | had wine |
| 20:25.56 | JademusSreg | So when I users/players/clients lack the requisite experience and conceptual framework to make meaningful contributions to the design, that's what I damn sure tell them. |
| 20:26.01 | Zolden | otixiately otixiates Otixa with otixiative otixiator |
| 20:26.03 | JademusSreg | *I see |
| 20:26.23 | Otixa | >:[ |
| 20:27.35 | Otixa | ah keel yu gaiz |
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| 20:27.37 | Otixa | ;P |
| 20:27.42 | JademusSreg | Arc, all that is to say don't pretend, speak sincerely. For me, that means telling players what they think doesn't matter and why. |
| 20:28.14 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, I think people can respect that, plus the why part is important |
| 20:28.15 | Otixa | smacks JademusSreg with a sammich |
| 20:28.25 | JademusSreg | brb =D |
| 20:28.33 | Otixa | JademusSreg, what you think doesn't matter because you're on the internet |
| 20:28.34 | ArcanePariah | What a waste of a smmich |
| 20:28.36 | Otixa | wins o/ |
| 20:28.46 | Triceron | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Demon_zps782eea28.gif |
| 20:29.02 | Otixa | gf is unimpressed with my affection |
| 20:29.02 | Triceron | still needs texture work and collision fixing, but I'm happy with where this one's goin |
| 20:29.07 | Tolkfan | Speaking of sincere developers, I miss Jay Wilson. This new D3 director seems to just talk in buzzwords and use "excited" a lot (they probably told him to do that). He'd never say stuff like "shut up pvp guy" :( |
| 20:29.18 | Otixa | apparently texting her "thinking of you because pooping" isn't romantic ;p |
| 20:29.44 | Triceron | still better than 'thinking of you pooping' |
| 20:29.51 | Otixa | true that |
| 20:30.04 | Otixa | also, wings clipping |
| 20:30.09 | A1win | or thinking of pooping you |
| 20:30.16 | Otixa | and horns look funky |
| 20:30.17 | Triceron | yeah, just added the wings. I'll need to modify the horns |
| 20:30.32 | Triceron | no textures on the horns yet |
| 20:30.42 | Otixa | mostly because they're wider in the middle than in the base |
| 20:30.43 | Triceron | it's just blue-gray with normal map |
| 20:30.49 | Zolden | Triceron oh yeah |
| 20:30.50 | Triceron | oh the stype of it? |
| 20:30.52 | Triceron | *style |
| 20:30.55 | Otixa | ye |
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| 20:31.07 | Otixa | wings seem alright tho |
| 20:31.13 | Otixa | kinda small but eh |
| 20:31.16 | Triceron | wait till I get the textures on the horns, it'll prolly make more sense |
| 20:31.26 | A1win | animation looks like he's glued to the ground and is trying to get loose |
| 20:31.28 | Triceron | yeah I'd like the wings to be more bent and bigger |
| 20:31.34 | Triceron | but they're using the doomguard anims :( |
| 20:31.37 | Otixa | oh, and make his panties/loincloth longer |
| 20:31.56 | tordy | hate how heroes of the storm has the same abbreviation as heart of the swarm. Got me confused multiple times! |
| 20:31.58 | Dustin | ya a hanging loin cloth would look sick |
| 20:32.42 | Triceron | yeah I was thinking of adding a loincloth piece. I'll need to add a bone chain for it |
| 20:32.52 | Zolden | and loins |
| 20:32.54 | Triceron | and the tail |
| 20:33.06 | Triceron | ah screw it. I'll just add a giant phallus instead. |
| 20:33.08 | Otixa | it's just like 2 bones |
| 20:33.16 | Dustin | some balls that hang further down than his loin cloth, to let people know he's the man |
| 20:33.17 | Otixa | stop being lazy |
| 20:33.17 | Otixa | ;p |
| 20:34.04 | Otixa | ballz! |
| 20:34.10 | Triceron | oh Tolkfan |
| 20:34.19 | Triceron | got some answers on the engine |
| 20:34.28 | Otixa | anyway |
| 20:34.30 | Triceron | Heroes uses SC2 engine, but it does have improvements |
| 20:34.32 | Otixa | stumbles off |
| 20:34.44 | Zolden | Triceron what kind of |
| 20:34.51 | Triceron | they also said they're planning on adding those back into SC2 engine |
| 20:35.02 | JademusSreg | calls it Herostorm. |
| 20:35.04 | ArcanePariah | I imagine we might see some of it with 2.2 patch next year |
| 20:35.05 | Zolden | the improvements? |
| 20:35.31 | Zolden | calls it hotst (and another one is hotsw) |
| 20:35.51 | Triceron | don't know, it was just mentioned. Saw it in both Sigaty and Browder interviews, they just said it's SC2 engine + improvements |
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| 20:36.32 | Triceron | they also mentioned that they are working on reconnect features, like LoL/DOTA2, but they're not sure if they will or can apply that to SC2 |
| 20:37.18 | Triceron | also from Sigaty interview, map marketplace is pushed back more due to business reasons than technical |
| 20:37.19 | Otixa | Also |
| 20:37.21 | Otixa | Triceron |
| 20:37.38 | Otixa | I noticed that there's fuck all AO on thhe model |
| 20:37.40 | Otixa | How come? :D |
| 20:37.43 | Triceron | no there isn't |
| 20:37.55 | Triceron | you liar |
| 20:38.05 | Otixa | Thar no AO! |
| 20:38.21 | Triceron | it's at 25%, it's the least amount of AO yet! |
| 20:38.27 | Otixa | Put it on multiply at 100% twice! |
| 20:38.32 | Tolkfan | So Heroes gets an improvement and we'll have to wait 6 months to get it in the next major SC2 patch. Great. |
| 20:38.35 | Otixa | :> |
| 20:38.37 | Triceron | even the other overlays are on 15% |
| 20:38.56 | Triceron | yeah in the interview they said 'Starcraft 2? What's that?' |
| 20:39.02 | Otixa | pats Triceron on the head |
| 20:39.06 | Otixa | Good :> |
| 20:39.26 | Triceron | i needed to paint in most of the shading to define the muscles |
| 20:39.31 | Otixa | Now I need to find some new thing to troll about |
| 20:39.49 | Triceron | I'll need to color correct and add some gradients and hues back in |
| 20:40.23 | Otixa | skin color variation pewpew |
| 20:40.50 | Otixa | actually |
| 20:40.52 | Otixa | Triceron |
| 20:40.57 | Otixa | try this: |
| 20:41.12 | Otixa | grab pure AO layer, add some contrast to it |
| 20:41.25 | Otixa | then put it into alpha channel, select and fill with dark purple |
| 20:41.30 | Otixa | and multiply that onto it |
| 20:41.36 | Otixa | for the skin mostly |
| 20:41.46 | Triceron | into alpha channel? |
| 20:42.03 | Triceron | are you trying to mimic subsurface? |
| 20:42.16 | Otixa | ya, in photoshoop, so you can use the B/W layer as selection |
| 20:42.32 | Otixa | kinda sorta |
| 20:42.32 | Otixa | should look fairly interesting |
| 20:42.36 | Triceron | oh i get what you mean |
| 20:42.46 | Triceron | yeah I'll try that |
| 20:43.37 | Otixa | I use this trick a lot to make the AO look like dust/rust/stuff |
| 20:43.37 | *** join/#sc2mapster DeadZergling (836ba0b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.160.182) |
| 20:44.09 | Otixa | Overlay might actually look better for skin, now that I think about it |
| 20:44.54 | Triceron | I was thinking overlay when you said it |
| 20:45.05 | Triceron | multiply has no color, no reason to use purple in that case |
| 20:45.33 | Otixa | nah, multiply does slightly shift the hue |
| 20:45.50 | Otixa | it's fairly subtle, but it shows that there's color |
| 20:49.09 | Triceron | lies. Stop lying |
| 20:49.56 | Otixa | hits Triceron with a pixel stick |
| 20:50.26 | DeadZergling | Otixa, always such a burst of sunshine to all around yu |
| 20:50.32 | DeadZergling | what fun you having today? |
| 20:50.41 | Otixa | uhh |
| 20:50.58 | Otixa | watching house, drinking spring water, slacking :B |
| 20:51.14 | Otixa | See how healthy I am? :D |
| 20:51.31 | DeadZergling | Nice, means you should be extra nice today, watching House :P |
| 20:51.51 | Otixa | :> |
| 20:52.36 | DeadZergling | I got to spend the better part of my free time for 2 days unfucking my map/mod files |
| 20:52.54 | DeadZergling | was simply terrific |
| 20:52.59 | Otixa | Psh |
| 20:53.08 | Otixa | pours DeadZergling a glass of water |
| 20:53.12 | Otixa | Cheers :B |
| 20:53.25 | DeadZergling | lol thx |
| 20:53.40 | DeadZergling | the most annoying part was the solution, it was so stupid |
| 20:54.11 | DeadZergling | going to my documents/starcraft 2 and deleting the 2 config files there, taking up a whole 4 KB |
| 20:54.18 | DeadZergling | fixed everything |
| 20:54.30 | A1win | :> |
| 20:54.51 | DeadZergling | add any new weapons yet a1win? |
| 20:54.52 | Otixa | hehehee |
| 20:54.59 | A1win | nope <.< |
| 20:55.16 | DeadZergling | do anything other than type in a new speed value? |
| 20:55.20 | Otixa | I did a painting of my gf as an early christmas present :B |
| 20:55.33 | A1win | tried to figure out how to make beam from unit to point with triggers -> needs custom script, too much effort to dig through examples -> eat snacks instead |
| 20:55.48 | Otixa | see how nice I am? :D |
| 20:56.19 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bibendus (Bibendus@ip-80-249-36-63.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) |
| 20:56.20 | Triceron | just as long as it's not of her pooping |
| 20:56.21 | A1win | I changed weapons to be switchable on planets and removed weapon pickups |
| 20:56.27 | Otixa | xD |
| 20:56.37 | DeadZergling | did it turn out this good Otixa? http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/600x4503.jpg |
| 20:56.52 | Otixa | kinda :D |
| 20:56.57 | tordy | what motivates you guys to do maps? |
| 20:57.04 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a76/SC2%202013-11-12%2018-24-32-68.jpg <- those little bars at bottom showing as "tabs" of which weapon is equipped (they fade out when you leave planet) |
| 20:57.10 | Otixa | There -> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10032576/inna2.jpg |
| 20:57.27 | tordy | at the very least finish making a map. Go all the way without losing interest |
| 20:57.44 | DeadZergling | that isn't the same at all Otixa |
| 20:57.47 | DeadZergling | yours looks human |
| 20:57.49 | JademusSreg | Tordy, I make the games I want to play. |
| 20:58.01 | Otixa | tordy, wanna know my secret? :> |
| 20:58.10 | tordy | we all know Otixa does it for the money |
| 20:58.17 | Triceron | tordy, schadenfreude |
| 20:58.20 | Otixa | Naw, I don't make maps :D |
| 20:58.32 | Otixa | Thus, I'm motivated to continue not making them |
| 20:58.34 | DeadZergling | I assume the graphics change |
| 20:58.39 | A1win | don't look at me, I've never finished an SC2 map 8x |
| 20:58.41 | DeadZergling | when you switch weaps a1win |
| 20:58.59 | A1win | DeadZergling, the icons change yeah |
| 20:59.12 | A1win | and the white tab on the bar moves |
| 20:59.18 | DeadZergling | it was just a project I really wanted to do |
| 20:59.32 | DeadZergling | still want to do, although the amount of time that it has ended up taking, truly awful |
| 20:59.36 | JademusSreg | Schwartz Lance |
| 21:00.16 | DeadZergling | he asked why we do maps |
| 21:00.18 | A1win | I need to figure out how to work with beams in triggers first <.< |
| 21:00.22 | DeadZergling | not how we felt about finished maps |
| 21:00.40 | tordy | i know i would feel really awesome if i could finish a map |
| 21:01.03 | DeadZergling | I kinda finished one, enough for judging anyways |
| 21:01.42 | DeadZergling | finished abilities that poker defense weirdo wanted, fixed some guy's map up only to have him abandon it |
| 21:01.56 | DeadZergling | that sort of coolness... |
| 21:02.01 | A1win | ;x |
| 21:02.11 | A1win | working with random people on internet can be fun! |
| 21:02.34 | DeadZergling | yea well, I typically took jobs just beyond my understanding |
| 21:02.39 | Triceron | a true mapper knows a map is never finished, only brought to an acceptable state of progress |
| 21:02.39 | DeadZergling | so I could learn more |
| 21:03.03 | DeadZergling | Well I can live without being thought of as a true mapper |
| 21:03.11 | JademusSreg | Also, Ludicrous Speed: http://youtu.be/ygE01sOhzz0 |
| 21:03.16 | DeadZergling | to me, a map is finished when I refuse to touch it any more |
| 21:03.24 | tordy | working w/ random people could be annoying tho. They might have completely different goals than you and refuse to compromise on one solution |
| 21:03.43 | tordy | and then you get in contact with them and they never respond |
| 21:03.55 | tordy | very different motivational values for the map |
| 21:05.10 | DeadZergling | some truth to that |
| 21:05.17 | DeadZergling | is fairly rare for team projects to actually finish |
| 21:05.56 | Triceron | it's difficult without good project management |
| 21:06.36 | DeadZergling | difficult to have management without money involved |
| 21:06.40 | A1win | http://imgur.com/gallery/D2CUGEH |
| 21:06.58 | Triceron | it can still be difficult when you do |
| 21:09.48 | JademusSreg | Work with people you already know and trust, such as friends. If one lacks friends, it suggests team management is the least of one's problems. |
| 21:10.49 | tordy | i doubt many people know people IRL that knows how to create SC2 maps |
| 21:11.14 | tordy | so unfortunately, you gotta start by finding random people and making friends with them! |
| 21:11.22 | JademusSreg | Didn't say "IRL". =D |
| 21:11.34 | tordy | so random people online |
| 21:11.40 | tordy | that's hard part! |
| 21:11.46 | MoonEater916 | Zolden |
| 21:11.53 | tordy | finding the right people and developing trust and friendship |
| 21:12.01 | tordy | hey otixa wannna be friends? |
| 21:12.03 | MoonEater916 | how do i get textures to show in editor |
| 21:12.09 | MoonEater916 | or otixa |
| 21:12.14 | JademusSreg | But tordy, you forget, friendship is magic. |
| 21:13.07 | Zolden | MoonEater916 read art tools tutorial |
| 21:13.18 | MoonEater916 | its not art tools |
| 21:13.19 | DeadZergling | well the real hard part about getting others on your team, is your ideas for a good map project, are rarely the same |
| 21:13.23 | MoonEater916 | its 3ds tutorial |
| 21:13.28 | MoonEater916 | interface noob issue |
| 21:13.41 | DeadZergling | and it isn't real fair to expect one mapper to give up his dream to work on yours |
| 21:13.46 | Triceron | you import them via import editor |
| 21:13.57 | A1win | DeadZergling, that's where good communication comes in |
| 21:14.01 | Triceron | and you should place them into assets/textures subdirectory |
| 21:14.07 | tordy | not only do u need people to trust, you gotta have common interests and goals |
| 21:14.18 | JademusSreg | Collaboration. |
| 21:14.24 | DeadZergling | sure, good communication helps |
| 21:14.25 | tordy | or maybe a manager w/ good charisma skills to get everyone motivated on the same level |
| 21:14.27 | Triceron | if you're importing a custom model that has textures, always import the textures first, then the model. |
| 21:14.33 | DeadZergling | but if one guy wants to make a dress up game for medics |
| 21:14.35 | MoonEater916 | Zolden i just want material to show in perspective |
| 21:14.38 | DeadZergling | and you want to make a tower defense |
| 21:14.48 | DeadZergling | chances are good your goals won't be the same... |
| 21:15.00 | Zolden | MoonEater916 i don't understand your questions |
| 21:15.00 | Triceron | you need to have a shared goal |
| 21:15.13 | A1win | the dressed up medics distract the enemies that walk by |
| 21:15.23 | A1win | you place the medics behind a display window |
| 21:15.24 | MoonEater916 | in 3ds max i have to render to see the texture on the plane |
| 21:15.24 | Triceron | if you can't maintain that, it'll be difficult to proceed in making that tower defense with medic dress up |
| 21:15.28 | MoonEater916 | i want to see it from editor |
| 21:15.43 | tordy | funny you mention friendship is magic when a lot of the hostile players ive met in online games are also bronies :p |
| 21:15.44 | A1win | the more attractively you dress them up, the more they distract |
| 21:15.53 | Zolden | apply material, render |
| 21:16.04 | A1win | though enemies like different things so you need to dress them up in different ways |
| 21:16.34 | MoonEater916 | i dont want to render |
| 21:16.39 | MoonEater916 | cause i need to make attach points |
| 21:16.44 | Zolden | MoonEater916 now i understood your question, but i don't have the answer, ask kingTD |
| 21:16.46 | A1win | after every 5 medics there's a door that leads into a clothing store, and if the enemy is distracted enough, it goes in and buys stuff |
| 21:16.47 | DeadZergling | not true, the japanese schoolgirl works on almost all enemies |
| 21:16.50 | MoonEater916 | omg... |
| 21:16.52 | MoonEater916 | KING |
| 21:17.00 | MoonEater916 | KINDTD |
| 21:17.02 | kingTD | not interested |
| 21:17.03 | MoonEater916 | ADFSVADFGFHJVb |
| 21:17.05 | kingTD | going to sleep |
| 21:17.11 | MoonEater916 | just asker the noob question |
| 21:17.14 | MoonEater916 | its dumb easy |
| 21:17.29 | MoonEater916 | in 3ds max how do i get textures to show without rendering |
| 21:17.31 | MoonEater916 | in the editor |
| 21:17.40 | MoonEater916 | need to make attachment points |
| 21:17.45 | tordy | i cant see very clearly even after the rain is gone |
| 21:18.37 | Triceron | so you want textures to show up IN 3ds max? Nothing to do with the SC2 editor? |
| 21:18.47 | MoonEater916 | nope |
| 21:18.53 | DeadZergling | sadly, that stupid of an idea probably get top page |
| 21:18.57 | kingTD | material editor, open the diffuse texture and then there will be buttons to make it show in the 3ds max |
| 21:19.07 | Triceron | yeah, was about to say that. |
| 21:19.17 | Triceron | but you said nope, so I don't know what you want exactly |
| 21:19.33 | tordy | did blizz stop caring about the trademark thing? |
| 21:19.39 | tordy | i see a blatant DBZ map in the front page |
| 21:19.42 | Triceron | which trademark? |
| 21:19.51 | JademusSreg | Eeeeeeewwwwwwwwww. |
| 21:20.03 | DeadZergling | has it been rated over 9000 times? |
| 21:20.10 | tordy | maybe |
| 21:20.18 | Triceron | What?! Over 9000??? |
| 21:20.31 | DeadZergling | put that device away triceron |
| 21:20.37 | DeadZergling | there is no need to break it for dramatic effect |
| 21:20.40 | MoonEater916 | yep |
| 21:20.45 | MoonEater916 | still nubbing |
| 21:21.00 | tordy | MoonEater916 do u eat moons for breakfast |
| 21:21.38 | DeadZergling | no, he has that name for a much more awful reason |
| 21:21.45 | DeadZergling | he is a period vampire |
| 21:22.26 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 21:25.00 | Triceron | mooneater, you using .dds? |
| 21:25.15 | Triceron | you might want to change it to .tga for it to show up in max. |
| 21:27.49 | DeadZergling | well now that monsters aren't selectable, maybe I should bother to put in boss HP bar displays |
| 21:28.19 | DeadZergling | only been putting that off a year |
| 21:29.53 | tordy | is rodrigo still around makin maps |
| 21:30.05 | JademusSreg | Not of which I am aware. |
| 21:30.15 | tordy | he was a funny dude |
| 21:30.19 | MoonEater916 | JAde |
| 21:30.31 | MoonEater916 | in 3ds, is the attachment points at the top point? |
| 21:30.43 | tordy | i miss him, almost as much as i miss otixa |
| 21:30.47 | MoonEater916 | were does it actually attack 2 |
| 21:31.19 | JademusSreg | Moon, don't understand what you're asking. |
| 21:32.04 | MoonEater916 | im adding attachment points to an object in 3ds |
| 21:32.14 | MoonEater916 | its a large pyramid thingy |
| 21:32.26 | MoonEater916 | but whats the actually point on the pyramid of attachment |
| 21:32.31 | Triceron | you add attachments to bones |
| 21:32.36 | JademusSreg | It indicates its orientation. |
| 21:33.10 | MoonEater916 | oh... |
| 21:33.14 | MoonEater916 | uh |
| 21:33.27 | MoonEater916 | which way is forward? |
| 21:34.02 | Triceron | Z axis, usually shown as blue in max |
| 21:34.16 | Triceron | wait, maybe green. |
| 21:36.22 | DeadZergling | A1win's fault of course, making all this work for me |
| 21:37.08 | JademusSreg | For most models I've seen, the forward and up vectors for the attachment points match the non-animated model. Usually, when the model is animated, the bones are moving, so the attachment point rotational matrix changes. |
| 21:38.04 | Otixa | hits Triceron |
| 21:38.13 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 21:38.18 | DeadZergling | although do I make bars for bosses/minibosses only, or for all the little monsters too |
| 21:38.37 | DeadZergling | seems like it'd be really annoying to get an HP bar for every damn zergling you kill |
| 21:38.41 | A1win | why not just use the built-in healthbars? |
| 21:39.11 | DeadZergling | I've seen them, they can die in a fire |
| 21:39.14 | A1win | make them less tall and change them red |
| 21:39.41 | A1win | I mean the unit health bars, not the boss bar GUI crap |
| 21:40.08 | DeadZergling | those already show though I think |
| 21:40.22 | A1win | aren't they enough? |
| 21:40.43 | DeadZergling | enough yes, but my project isn't about just being enough |
| 21:40.57 | A1win | :P |
| 21:41.02 | A1win | it's about being too much? |
| 21:41.16 | DeadZergling | not to mention, half my bosses or more |
| 21:41.23 | DeadZergling | you won't have time to use the default health bar |
| 21:41.36 | A1win | I mean for the normal units |
| 21:41.45 | DeadZergling | you'll be too busy not getting your ass kicked |
| 21:42.06 | DeadZergling | well, I thought they already used them, if you mean the 5-6 green bars |
| 21:42.19 | A1win | mm... |
| 21:42.19 | DeadZergling | that pops out above them if you hover cursor over |
| 21:42.54 | DeadZergling | yea I overdo things just a little... |
| 21:42.57 | A1win | just thought you were about to change it when you said you'd want health bars for normal mobs too ;p |
| 21:43.18 | DeadZergling | could be worse, I could keep updating my map with slower ships |
| 21:43.33 | A1win | ;x |
| 21:43.38 | A1win | I made them faster again! |
| 21:43.48 | DeadZergling | by the way, any plans to implement kickback from weapons? |
| 21:43.59 | A1win | like recoil? |
| 21:44.10 | A1win | from your own weapons? |
| 21:44.13 | DeadZergling | yea |
| 21:44.51 | DeadZergling | i could totally see myself flying around with extra weapon boosts, lol |
| 21:44.51 | A1win | it had that at first, and it was then used for movement when not firing at enemies :P |
| 21:45.24 | A1win | the max speed is reached rather fast anyway, though |
| 21:46.21 | DeadZergling | damn it einstein, I don't want limits like that |
| 21:46.23 | DeadZergling | let me go faster |
| 21:46.29 | DeadZergling | faster than light! |
| 21:47.08 | A1win | you didn't test it with 400 max speed ;p it was pretty much unplayable |
| 21:47.19 | A1win | all shots based like 90% on luck |
| 21:47.31 | DeadZergling | by the way, when are you adding crashing damage? |
| 21:47.57 | A1win | should I? :E seems like a boring feature |
| 21:48.19 | DeadZergling | you won't find it so boring when I active my shield just in time to crash into your ship |
| 21:48.21 | A1win | well maybe for ship vs ship collisions |
| 21:48.29 | DeadZergling | right, not planets, only ships |
| 21:48.31 | A1win | mm |
| 21:49.38 | A1win | now how much should it be... |
| 21:49.52 | A1win | at max velocity vs max velocity |
| 21:50.10 | A1win | pretty high I guess |
| 21:50.20 | DeadZergling | yea, realistically fatal for both sides |
| 21:50.31 | DeadZergling | but maybe like 40-50 % damage? |
| 21:50.51 | DeadZergling | that and should totally let people get kills that way |
| 21:51.13 | DeadZergling | no damage done if your shield was up |
| 21:51.18 | DeadZergling | that blue glowey one |
| 21:51.51 | A1win | not sure about that shield, I should probably change it to just an absorb damage rather than reflect shield |
| 21:51.57 | A1win | the projectile reflections are a bit weird |
| 21:52.05 | A1win | even though they are pretty accurate |
| 21:52.12 | A1win | I mean the fact that they are reflected is weird |
| 21:53.17 | DeadZergling | yea, it isn't too bad with the blob shots |
| 21:53.23 | DeadZergling | but the pew pews look really off |
| 21:54.49 | DeadZergling | i dunno a1, the visual isn't bad for letting people know what the shield does |
| 21:54.59 | DeadZergling | even if it is kind of weird sometimes |
| 21:55.44 | A1win | it'd also be time consuming to add reflections to beams if I implement those <.< |
| 21:56.18 | DeadZergling | oh, more after the less work part of it :) |
| 21:58.30 | A1win | now let's see if my monstrous math formula gives the result I wanted |
| 21:59.21 | A1win | nope :P |
| 21:59.46 | DeadZergling | multiply it by K |
| 21:59.50 | DeadZergling | it will fix everything |
| 22:01.12 | A1win | mmh now it seems more accurate |
| 22:01.20 | DeadZergling | couldn't help playing Fatal Labyrinth through a few more times |
| 22:01.38 | DeadZergling | is some rather egregious OP errors if you work the system right, lol |
| 22:02.17 | DeadZergling | is a way to uncurse the skull lance, and it's attack power is shown as 1, but it hits hard enough to one shot almost everything |
| 22:02.25 | DeadZergling | and almost always hits |
| 22:03.04 | DeadZergling | pretty sure hitting the final boss 3 times to kill him without even getting hit once wasn't supposed to happen |
| 22:07.11 | A1win | doh, had a bug in my kill tag code |
| 22:07.20 | A1win | the shot that killed you wasn't accounted for |
| 22:07.33 | A1win | that's why there were some weird kill steals earlier... |
| 22:10.29 | DeadZergling | kill tracking can be annoying at times |
| 22:10.39 | *** join/#sc2mapster nooblark (nooblark@c-68-46-106-180.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 22:10.42 | DeadZergling | my kill message system still has some unaccounted for kills |
| 22:11.08 | A1win | looks like it works now, just needs sounds |
| 22:11.57 | A1win | also set minimum damage to 20% of max damage so that you can't cause damage by hugging another player |
| 22:13.12 | A1win | mmh what sound should I use |
| 22:13.39 | DeadZergling | fuck if i know |
| 22:13.50 | A1win | it's your idea! finish it! |
| 22:14.03 | DeadZergling | I'd watch car crash videos |
| 22:14.09 | DeadZergling | steal sound ideas from that |
| 22:15.49 | DeadZergling | i don't get how setting minimum damage to 20 % would make it so you can't cause damage |
| 22:16.12 | A1win | I mean if the damage is less than min, it isn't done |
| 22:19.49 | DeadZergling | is it possible to play a sound at differing volumes? |
| 22:19.58 | A1win | yeah |
| 22:20.06 | DeadZergling | could make like an array of 5-10 random crash sounds, which go up in volume based on collision speed |
| 22:20.13 | Zolden | A1win will we test it today? |
| 22:20.19 | A1win | why not just linearly scale the sound ;p |
| 22:20.26 | A1win | *volume |
| 22:20.41 | DeadZergling | naw I mean, 5-10 different crash sounds |
| 22:20.51 | DeadZergling | no one wants to hear the same sound every tiem |
| 22:21.30 | A1win | most sounds are random by default |
| 22:21.34 | A1win | in default assets |
| 22:21.58 | DeadZergling | yes I know, but I'm assuming you are importing here :P |
| 22:22.04 | A1win | pshh |
| 22:22.06 | DeadZergling | and you are mr triggers |
| 22:22.11 | A1win | even then, I'd put them inside a sound link |
| 22:22.15 | A1win | and play that sound link |
| 22:22.20 | A1win | rather than individual sound files |
| 22:22.26 | A1win | triggers can also play sound links |
| 22:22.39 | DeadZergling | yea that's fine, just thought you tried to stay in triggers :) |
| 22:22.55 | A1win | I use data when it makes sense |
| 22:23.32 | A1win | wtf, I just killed a player by crashing at him and didn't die myself |
| 22:23.44 | A1win | even though it's supposed to damage both with the same amount |
| 22:23.51 | Triceron | Zolden |
| 22:23.59 | Triceron | what do I need to make a Vol Target? |
| 22:24.30 | A1win | maybe I had damaged him already or something |
| 22:24.56 | DeadZergling | very possible, shielding should save you from the damage too |
| 22:25.11 | Zolden | Triceron Vol_Target |
| 22:25.19 | Triceron | just a sphere named that? |
| 22:25.22 | Zolden | sphere, box or capsule |
| 22:25.25 | Zolden | yea |
| 22:25.26 | Triceron | don't need to apply any shader or hide it? |
| 22:25.35 | Zolden | Triceron same with Vol_Shield |
| 22:25.48 | Zolden | just primitive |
| 22:25.50 | Triceron | that's only for units with a shield? |
| 22:26.09 | Triceron | so I should link it to the skeleton right? |
| 22:26.12 | Triceron | like a hit test |
| 22:26.25 | Zolden | Triceron it's for units who will have events that will visualize shield impacts (like protoss have) |
| 22:26.43 | Zolden | yea, link |
| 22:26.46 | Zolden | or not link |
| 22:26.56 | Zolden | not linked stuff is linked to origine default bone |
| 22:28.16 | Triceron | kk thx |
| 22:29.18 | A1win | I think it works now... |
| 22:31.41 | Zolden | A1win go test? |
| 22:31.54 | A1win | I did ;p |
| 22:31.58 | Zolden | ok |
| 22:32.17 | Zolden | my map is finally testable after 7 month of development |
| 22:32.22 | A1win | :x |
| 22:32.25 | A1win | gz |
| 22:32.35 | Zolden | gonna bring it to map night |
| 22:34.23 | DeadZergling | guessing map night happens on a day and time I can't ever attend, lol |
| 22:34.25 | A1win | changed the damage to be based on velocity factor ^ 2 so smaller collisions do even less damage than higher speed collisions |
| 22:35.27 | DeadZergling | when is it anyways |
| 22:35.30 | A1win | except that now it's too low :P |
| 22:36.09 | Zolden | A1win good idea, physics rapes |
| 22:40.13 | Zolden | DeadZergling there are 2 map nights, at friday and at saturday (th na one) |
| 22:40.48 | DeadZergling | know the times? |
| 22:40.49 | Zolden | both usually have about 8 players |
| 22:40.59 | Zolden | na one is later |
| 22:41.05 | Dustin | zolden, what map? |
| 22:41.25 | Zolden | Dustin the one that has squadron td as the example of genre type |
| 22:42.09 | Dustin | ah nice |
| 22:42.36 | DeadZergling | yea, later, but what time, lol |
| 22:46.10 | A1win | mmf if I only have 4 weapons, I should make them readlly different from each other |
| 22:46.31 | A1win | probably change the blob gun to something else |
| 22:50.07 | DeadZergling | okay, so reading http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/18556-revived-map-night/#posts, is Friday for you guys Saturday for us? lol |
| 22:55.12 | DeadZergling | like the part about how non-mapster people can come, if they can behave |
| 22:55.31 | DeadZergling | meaning mapster people have carte blanche to completely not behave at all |
| 22:55.36 | Zolden | DeadZergling waht is your time offset from NY? |
| 22:55.54 | DeadZergling | am PST, am 3 hours behind |
| 22:55.59 | DeadZergling | is 3 PM for me right now |
| 22:56.24 | Zolden | pretty west |
| 22:56.25 | A1win | you're 10 hours behind me x_X |
| 22:56.55 | DeadZergling | or am I 14 hours ahead |
| 22:57.02 | DeadZergling | what day is it for you A1win, lol |
| 22:57.03 | Zolden | so, 12 am is probably when saturday map night starts for you |
| 22:57.08 | MoonEater916 | Zolden i cant find anything useful on exporting |
| 22:57.17 | MoonEater916 | i getting m3 that r bank |
| 22:57.18 | A1win | ;p europe is always ahead |
| 22:57.24 | MoonEater916 | or spheres |
| 22:57.32 | Zolden | MoonEater916 use art tools for export |
| 22:57.45 | DeadZergling | only because of how the map was made |
| 22:58.54 | A1win | we'd have to figure out which continent had the first day |
| 22:59.06 | MoonEater916 | Zolden it always comes out empty |
| 22:59.21 | A1win | which is probably not possible since the continents shift ;p |
| 22:59.26 | A1win | and change |
| 23:00.06 | DeadZergling | this is just confusing |
| 23:00.33 | DeadZergling | if it were Friday for you, in how much time would it be map night |
| 23:01.18 | DeadZergling | from right now |
| 23:01.42 | A1win | I don't remember when it is ;p |
| 23:02.14 | DeadZergling | you just typically happen to be on and notice it is happening I suppose |
| 23:02.34 | A1win | I've only attended it once and didn't take a note of the time :P |
| 23:02.35 | Zolden | MoonEater916 check some related threads, there are like 10 of them with the exact same problem |
| 23:02.50 | A1win | but I guess it'd have been like 3-4 hours ago |
| 23:02.52 | MoonEater916 | i was but they seemed to be involving animations |
| 23:03.10 | A1win | or 2-3 rather |
| 23:03.12 | A1win | dunno |
| 23:05.16 | A1win | haha I should make a death star arena where the deathstar keeps blowing up planets during each round |
| 23:05.22 | DeadZergling | so Zolden meant to say, 12 PM |
| 23:05.29 | A1win | ...except that I can't because gravity is precalculated |
| 23:05.41 | A1win | DeadZergling, he was talking about saturday map night |
| 23:05.47 | Kueken | calculate again on planet destruction |
| 23:06.04 | DeadZergling | 12 am is a very bad time to say when something is |
| 23:06.06 | A1win | Kueken, that might cause a performance spike ;p |
| 23:06.14 | A1win | I guess I could split the calculation |
| 23:06.23 | A1win | doesn't matter if the numbers are off for a couple of seconds |
| 23:08.24 | DeadZergling | so guess I can just plan on never being there for the EU map night if I'm working, lol |
| 23:08.43 | A1win | quit work |
| 23:08.52 | A1win | there are more important things in life |
| 23:09.30 | DeadZergling | yes, like telling A1win to make his spaceships go CRASH |
| 23:12.50 | MoonEater916 | ya im sucking hard |
| 23:13.20 | DeadZergling | not hard enough, no white stuff has come out yet |
| 23:14.07 | MoonEater916 | i cant figure out why theres no model when exporting |
| 23:14.29 | Triceron | did you apply your material to the model? |
| 23:14.45 | Triceron | if the model doesn't have the SC2 material, it's invisible in the editor. |
| 23:15.28 | MoonEater916 | ... |
| 23:31.44 | A1win | :o I should make a drone weapon, maybe swap the blob cannon with it |
| 23:32.08 | A1win | attack drones with lasers |
| 23:32.40 | A1win | instead of having like 1 drone per player, it's an actual weapon that launches quite a lot of drones |
| 23:33.02 | A1win | not as many as those blobs put anyway |
| 23:33.10 | A1win | like 3 sec CD or so |
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