| 00:00.04 | Ahli | and there is a monster that makes the just summoned monsters to the monster that summoned the other monsters |
| 00:00.38 | Ahli | there is a monster opening a portal to a small area with more monsters |
| 00:00.47 | Ahli | you can enter that portal |
| 00:00.51 | A1win | torchlight had that |
| 00:00.57 | A1win | it was fun |
| 00:01.24 | Ahli | monsters on a tower throwing traps and throwing darts |
| 00:01.40 | Ahli | (reminds me of LoD) |
| 00:02.42 | DeadZergling | I'll leave you a PM then Zolden :) |
| 00:03.54 | progammer | lol dog shit |
| 00:04.03 | Ahli | monster that bites you and shakes you (you are in his mouth and stunned)... it's a dog monster. When it kills you, it pees on your corpse |
| 00:04.42 | *** part/#sc2mapster G0A (~hookah604@91.83.186.233.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 00:06.43 | progammer | god damn this twitter flash, i paid money to see advertisement, not flashy pop-up |
| 00:08.12 | Ahli | naniwa playing |
| 00:13.15 | Repo | New announcement: Blizzcon 2013 Information Dump! - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/blizzcon-2013-information-dump/ |
| 00:13.47 | *** join/#sc2mapster tordy (627455d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.116.85.209) |
| 00:14.24 | Zolden | DeadZergling ok |
| 00:15.57 | Ahli | oh that video was leaked earlier today |
| 00:17.06 | progammer | like 2 days ago |
| 00:17.24 | tordy | is hots arcade free too? |
| 00:19.28 | progammer | yes, only the campaign and ladder is locked out |
| 00:20.39 | Tolkfan | I wonder if people without hots will be able to use the hots assets in the editor now... |
| 00:20.46 | Tolkfan | hots = swarm, not heroes |
| 00:24.25 | progammer | i want to punch something whenver someone use the word epic |
| 00:24.43 | progammer | i'm pretty sure they remind their employee to use it in their handbook or smt |
| 00:25.21 | DeadZergling | epic why epic would epic you epic want epic do epic do epic that? Epic. |
| 00:25.53 | Vailreth | it will be an Epic deisplay of Epicly Epic Epicness |
| 00:31.56 | Ahli | they should just say terrible terrible instead of epic |
| 00:32.29 | Kueken | that would result in some terribly terribly long sentences |
| 00:32.56 | progammer | i'm sure browder is the only one using instead of epic |
| 00:32.57 | Kueken | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMZponXbUj0 |
| 00:33.34 | progammer | anyway, 15 min to go till HotS panel |
| 00:34.12 | Tolkfan | I like how they avoid saying "dota" by inventing "hero brawler" :P |
| 00:34.58 | Tolkfan | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2013/november/bconArtOfWoW063.jpg surprise dwarf porn! |
| 00:36.38 | Ahli | in wow they talk about candles |
| 00:38.20 | Triceron | oh heroes hasn't started yet? |
| 00:38.49 | Triceron | tolkfan is that official? |
| 00:40.25 | Tolkfan | yes, official dwarf porn |
| 00:40.35 | Tolkfan | and new player models too |
| 00:40.46 | Tolkfan | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2013/november/bconArtOfWoW088.jpg I want that kind of setup... |
| 00:41.05 | DeadZergling | not really dwarf porn if I can't see the beards |
| 00:41.30 | Tolkfan | there you go http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2013/november/bconArtOfWoW062.jpg |
| 00:41.44 | progammer | that thing is long.... |
| 00:42.03 | DeadZergling | wrong gender that time |
| 00:42.29 | Vailreth | damn i was going to make a Thats what she said joke |
| 00:44.42 | progammer | hots panel right about now |
| 00:44.51 | Vailreth | which stream |
| 00:44.57 | tordy | progammer: wassup man how ya been |
| 00:45.00 | tordy | havent seen u |
| 00:45.19 | progammer | i'm not around :P |
| 00:45.22 | progammer | still good |
| 00:45.25 | Vailreth | damn its on the super choppy one |
| 00:47.18 | Kueken | progammer: The Openeing Ceremony |
| 00:47.20 | Kueken | :D |
| 00:47.37 | Triceron | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2013/november/bconArtOfWoW052.jpg |
| 00:47.47 | progammer | lol |
| 00:47.58 | progammer | love the way they avoid talking about dota and just wc3 |
| 00:48.29 | progammer | @Kueken: that's zelda's post. not mine |
| 00:48.50 | Kueken | well he is not here :D |
| 00:48.55 | Kueken | and I assumed you can fix it |
| 00:49.00 | DeadZergling | okay, who let Pedobear do WoW art |
| 00:51.36 | progammer | he's kinda busy, and i dont have access to the main page for like a year |
| 00:56.30 | Triceron | the panel up yet? |
| 00:58.57 | Triceron | oh shit that robot protoss was Tassadar |
| 00:59.55 | Ahli | http://www.staredit.net/topic/16145/ |
| 01:06.27 | progammer | yes, the replay interface is from sc2 |
| 01:13.42 | Tolkfan | found a steam of hots |
| 01:13.44 | Tolkfan | http://www.webcaston.com/blizzconlivebyserienstreamscom |
| 01:13.51 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zolden (~a@88.135.0.21) |
| 01:13.53 | Tolkfan | lags like shit :] |
| 01:14.44 | Vindicator | lol, i just found a video from a while back that said when WoW was in beta, a tornado hit a data center and they used a blow dryer to dry a server and get it back up and running |
| 01:15.39 | A1win | :x |
| 01:18.39 | Zolden | so |
| 01:18.42 | Zolden | what's new? |
| 01:19.19 | progammer | uther in a medic suit |
| 01:19.24 | Kueken | Tolkfan: I was expecting HotS, and what do I get? HotS :/ |
| 01:19.54 | Zolden | gimme pics/facts you discovered during last 1/2 hours |
| 01:20.07 | progammer | i'm too busy atm :( |
| 01:20.19 | progammer | no clips this time though just picss |
| 01:20.25 | Vindicator | http://www.webcaston.com/blizzconlivebyserienstreamscom |
| 01:21.26 | Bibendus | wonderful |
| 01:21.30 | Bibendus | it went all as I expected |
| 01:21.43 | tordy | waht'd i miss |
| 01:21.49 | Zolden | Vindicator is it that hots thing? |
| 01:21.54 | Vindicator | yes |
| 01:22.01 | Bibendus | but heroes of the storm |
| 01:22.02 | Bibendus | damn name |
| 01:22.14 | Vindicator | yeah... hots x2 is a problem |
| 01:22.19 | Bibendus | yep |
| 01:22.24 | Bibendus | I think they did it intentionally |
| 01:22.39 | Bibendus | to show it's done with heart of the swarm engine |
| 01:22.45 | Bibendus | but it's stupid anyway |
| 01:23.02 | Bibendus | is the sc2 panel still on? |
| 01:23.04 | Bibendus | wtf? |
| 01:23.07 | Bibendus | ah no it's just hots |
| 01:23.08 | Bibendus | xD |
| 01:23.26 | progammer | to be fair there is only 1 sc2 panel for the entire blizzcon |
| 01:23.30 | progammer | might as well count this in |
| 01:23.53 | Bibendus | remembers me of the baron's steal |
| 01:23.54 | Bibendus | xD |
| 01:23.58 | Bibendus | in lol |
| 01:24.14 | Bibendus | however it spawns a huge creep that attacks the enemy |
| 01:24.14 | Bibendus | nice |
| 01:24.33 | Bibendus | the only thing I did not expect was the change of the game to multiple modes |
| 01:24.50 | Bibendus | and I'm really happy about |
| 01:25.18 | Bibendus | I knew bliz was focusin on dota to make the sc2 arcade more popular |
| 01:26.24 | Bibendus | LOL |
| 01:26.32 | Vindicator | hehe |
| 01:26.37 | progammer | man carbot gotta be fulltime with blizz now |
| 01:26.52 | Bibendus | carbot pwns |
| 01:27.11 | Tolkfan | questions! someone ask if i's standalone or mod! :D |
| 01:27.14 | Bibendus | xD |
| 01:27.59 | Vailreth | its a standalone |
| 01:28.00 | Bibendus | team leveling? |
| 01:28.01 | Bibendus | interesting |
| 01:28.09 | Bibendus | it uses sc2 engine |
| 01:28.21 | Tolkfan | because it's a mod... |
| 01:28.26 | Bibendus | u ll probably be able to download only files that are used by it |
| 01:28.30 | Bibendus | but it will be on the arcade for sure |
| 01:28.44 | Vailreth | no they are making it its own game |
| 01:28.49 | Bibendus | no... |
| 01:28.52 | Bibendus | they are not |
| 01:28.55 | Vailreth | yes they are |
| 01:29.01 | Bibendus | it's the sc2 editor |
| 01:29.18 | Bibendus | and they said hots was used to prepare the arcade for the marketplace |
| 01:29.22 | Vailreth | they havent been refering to it as a Mod or Map or anything they have been refering to it as a stand alone |
| 01:29.24 | Bibendus | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/59278-blizzcon-2013-information-thread/ |
| 01:29.33 | Bibendus | because it can be played alone |
| 01:29.40 | Bibendus | but the engine is the same |
| 01:29.56 | Bibendus | - Marketplace: Did not have time/infrastructure to make it work. Heroes of the Storm will start the infrastructure.. |
| 01:29.59 | Vailreth | doesnt mean they will use the same client |
| 01:30.04 | Bibendus | yes they will |
| 01:30.08 | Bibendus | or at least the arcade will be shared |
| 01:30.14 | Bibendus | they have file streaming |
| 01:30.20 | Tolkfan | actually, the devs here on irc have been refering to it as a mod all the time :P |
| 01:30.21 | Bibendus | they can let u download onlu the files u need |
| 01:30.24 | MoonEater916 | Kueken |
| 01:30.30 | MoonEater916 | im still having issues |
| 01:30.37 | MoonEater916 | it doesnt seem to want to rotate |
| 01:30.43 | Bibendus | it will be like hots or sc2 vanilla starter |
| 01:30.47 | Bibendus | the launcher will change graphic |
| 01:30.47 | Vindicator | yeah, i don't understand what facts are causing people to so adamantly say it's standalone |
| 01:30.52 | Bibendus | but you will still be connected to the arcade |
| 01:30.53 | Kueken | you need to be more specific |
| 01:30.59 | Kueken | what are you doing? |
| 01:31.02 | Vindicator | i haven't heard anything that makes me think thats the case |
| 01:31.07 | Bibendus | they have no reason to spread the community, they want the arcade to be used |
| 01:31.07 | MoonEater916 | well im tying to rotate either the actor or the unit |
| 01:31.10 | MoonEater916 | via |
| 01:31.14 | MoonEater916 | well |
| 01:31.26 | MoonEater916 | im trying to rotate the actor via events |
| 01:31.28 | MoonEater916 | not site |
| 01:31.35 | Bibendus | because people is stupid :D |
| 01:31.48 | Bibendus | the only reason they could go as a standalone |
| 01:31.53 | Bibendus | is if they are not able to do a rejoin |
| 01:31.54 | Vailreth | if i am wrong i will be happy |
| 01:32.07 | Bibendus | and sure the map won't be up until this feature is out |
| 01:32.08 | Kueken | one-time rotation or continuous? relative to the unit or to the game world? rotate the main unit actor or an attachment? |
| 01:32.11 | Vailreth | but im pretty sure its a stand alone. |
| 01:32.27 | A1win | if heroes of the storm was an arcade map, it would be free for everyone |
| 01:32.29 | MoonEater916 | instant rotation |
| 01:32.30 | Bibendus | http://i.imgur.com/p0RM93M.jpg |
| 01:32.32 | Bibendus | oh cmon... |
| 01:32.35 | Bibendus | stop beeing stupid lol |
| 01:32.36 | MoonEater916 | in game world |
| 01:32.46 | MoonEater916 | main actor |
| 01:32.56 | Bibendus | the standalone will be something just ahestetic |
| 01:33.02 | Kueken | what are you using currently? |
| 01:33.13 | MoonEater916 | Bibendus, lolz |
| 01:33.23 | MoonEater916 | heros of storms does not look like a mod |
| 01:33.28 | Bibendus | it look |
| 01:33.28 | MoonEater916 | from the game play |
| 01:33.29 | MoonEater916 | i can be |
| 01:33.32 | Bibendus | it's clearly sc2 editor... |
| 01:33.36 | Bibendus | and sc2 graphics |
| 01:33.38 | progammer | it is standalone but it is sc2 engine |
| 01:33.43 | MoonEater916 | goes relooks it |
| 01:33.45 | MoonEater916 | well ya |
| 01:33.46 | Tolkfan | it's a total conversion, of couse it doesn't look like starcraft |
| 01:33.48 | Bibendus | the arcade will be shared |
| 01:33.55 | Bibendus | u ll just download different models and mods and maps |
| 01:34.03 | Kueken | Ahli's diablo map doesn't look like an SC2 mod as well, besides some minor tells |
| 01:34.06 | MoonEater916 | i mean |
| 01:34.09 | Bibendus | and the interface will probably be filtered to show u only the dota maps |
| 01:34.11 | Vailreth | i dont see why you think there will be an arcade version |
| 01:34.14 | MoonEater916 | it would have to be non-editor |
| 01:34.18 | Bibendus | but the game is a sc2 mod |
| 01:34.20 | Kueken | use enough custom assets and you don't see the origin |
| 01:34.21 | MoonEater916 | cause of the lag |
| 01:34.23 | MoonEater916 | and controls |
| 01:34.38 | Bibendus | there are no direct controls |
| 01:34.46 | MoonEater916 | Kuekn, im using custom actor 2D sprite |
| 01:34.47 | Bibendus | it's a moba... you have abilities clicking |
| 01:34.53 | MoonEater916 | shit |
| 01:35.00 | MoonEater916 | i actually now that i think about it |
| 01:35.03 | MoonEater916 | i need a flip.. |
| 01:35.05 | Bibendus | like sc2 |
| 01:35.05 | MoonEater916 | nbm |
| 01:35.08 | MoonEater916 | ima do it old fashon |
| 01:35.14 | Bibendus | u won't notice the lag because button clicking gives u instant feedback |
| 01:35.23 | Bibendus | even if the response is not instant |
| 01:35.45 | tordy | what're the new methods of reducing the lag |
| 01:35.53 | Bibendus | @Vailreth: - Marketplace: Did not have time/infrastructure to make it work. Heroes of the Storm will start the infrastructure. |
| 01:36.10 | Vailreth | where did they say that |
| 01:36.18 | Vailreth | i didnt hear anything like that.. |
| 01:36.18 | Bibendus | it's pretty clear they are using the damn moba to make people join the arcade |
| 01:36.27 | Bibendus | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/59278-blizzcon-2013-information-thread/ |
| 01:36.32 | Bibendus | Q&A |
| 01:36.46 | MoonEater916 | wait Bibendus, i thoughts its a standalone? |
| 01:36.47 | Vindicator | it also means microtransactions are likely what will start that foundation/infrastructure imo |
| 01:36.49 | progammer | you guys probably gonna need a video to calm down |
| 01:37.01 | Bibendus | ... |
| 01:37.04 | Bibendus | the thing is |
| 01:37.11 | Bibendus | they want u to be able to download the game alone |
| 01:37.17 | Bibendus | without downloading all the sc2 shit |
| 01:37.26 | MoonEater916 | ok.. |
| 01:37.27 | MoonEater916 | so? |
| 01:37.28 | Bibendus | so people don't have to download terabytes of files |
| 01:37.35 | Bibendus | so it will probably have a different launcher |
| 01:37.43 | Bibendus | exactly like hots and sc2 vanilla |
| 01:37.47 | Bibendus | graphics and launcher change |
| 01:37.50 | Bibendus | the client is the same |
| 01:38.05 | progammer | replay is the same |
| 01:38.14 | Bibendus | the bnet UI will probably be different to filter maps u need for moba |
| 01:38.30 | Bibendus | still the client is the same |
| 01:38.34 | Vailreth | i dont think the current vids are representative of the final product or even the intended ui |
| 01:38.38 | Bibendus | and if the client is the same, the arcade is the same |
| 01:38.47 | Bibendus | they will be able to let u play arcade mapes even from this client |
| 01:38.48 | Zolden | one of sc2 fights watchers had a baneling teddybear |
| 01:38.56 | MoonEater916 | i think they would refine the network conectivity for the mouse to stop the syncing issues across clients |
| 01:39.05 | Zolden | he was wawing it in the air to the camera |
| 01:39.27 | Bibendus | moba works exactly like sc2 |
| 01:39.46 | Bibendus | so I don't think they will fix the lag issue :( |
| 01:39.52 | Bibendus | they will totally have to fix the reconnect |
| 01:39.59 | Bibendus | because all other mobas have it |
| 01:40.07 | Vailreth | just because heros will start the infrastrutcure they intend does not mean it will be part of SC2 |
| 01:40.08 | Vindicator | yeah editing capabilities for it too so they either gotta have a seperate editor if it's standalone or that just means more stuff in existing editor if it's built into the game |
| 01:40.11 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ecv0bT9DEo |
| 01:40.18 | Vindicator | i doubt they'd want to have 2 seperate editors to keep updating |
| 01:40.30 | Bibendus | vail think to the difference between wol launcher and hots launcher |
| 01:40.40 | Bibendus | do you really think they are different things? |
| 01:40.50 | Vailreth | no |
| 01:40.59 | Bibendus | same will be with the moba |
| 01:41.03 | A1win | atm you still need to download hots content if you only have wol |
| 01:41.12 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iY_olSZ1Lw wrong link :S |
| 01:41.13 | MoonEater916 | there is no hots launcher |
| 01:41.14 | MoonEater916 | its the same |
| 01:41.21 | Vailreth | i seriously doubt that and that there will be a Heros Editor |
| 01:41.22 | Bibendus | if the engine is the same why should they be so stupid to release another fucking client and map editor |
| 01:41.24 | Bibendus | disconnected |
| 01:41.25 | MoonEater916 | only the background in the game is different |
| 01:41.27 | Bibendus | so they split their community |
| 01:41.31 | Bibendus | exactly |
| 01:41.42 | Bibendus | did you see the damn editor or what? |
| 01:41.50 | MoonEater916 | i doubt they would split the comunity if they did that |
| 01:41.55 | Bibendus | I'm linking stuff to you, are u opening them or not? |
| 01:42.09 | Bibendus | http://i.imgur.com/p0RM93M.jpg |
| 01:42.15 | Vailreth | i am opening them |
| 01:42.26 | Bibendus | top is the moba editor |
| 01:42.31 | Bibendus | so it has one |
| 01:42.34 | A1win | Bibendus, yeah the editor makes sense |
| 01:42.35 | Bibendus | and it's the fucking same |
| 01:42.43 | MoonEater916 | u sure? |
| 01:42.44 | Vailreth | how do you know that is the Heros Editor? |
| 01:42.46 | Bibendus | the damn sc2 engine works with mods |
| 01:42.50 | MoonEater916 | it looks not legit |
| 01:42.56 | Bibendus | did you use the editor? do you know how it works? |
| 01:42.58 | progammer | its in their video |
| 01:42.59 | progammer | interview i think |
| 01:43.13 | MoonEater916 | can we get a time and link? |
| 01:43.15 | Bibendus | I knew all this stuff even before blizzcon |
| 01:43.21 | Bibendus | because there is no way to make it different |
| 01:43.27 | Bibendus | it would be stupid in another way |
| 01:43.28 | Tolkfan | later in that video they also use the art tools too, I think |
| 01:43.51 | MoonEater916 | LOLZ |
| 01:43.53 | MoonEater916 | RAGE QUIT! |
| 01:43.55 | Bibendus | I don't know where all these speculation about a different client for the moba came from |
| 01:43.57 | Bibendus | but they are stupid |
| 01:44.15 | Bibendus | just people that thinks that the better graphic must come from another engine |
| 01:44.19 | Vailreth | its speculation because blizzard has stopped calling it a mod |
| 01:44.20 | Bibendus | and not from better models |
| 01:44.32 | Vailreth | they started calling it ITS OWN DAMN GAME |
| 01:44.33 | Bibendus | think to the other moba games |
| 01:44.46 | MoonEater916 | they should merge it with the starter edition |
| 01:44.54 | Bibendus | do you really think they can be competitive if you are forced to buy sc2 and to install all of it to play a moba mod |
| 01:44.54 | MoonEater916 | just have a tab |
| 01:44.57 | Bibendus | when we have lol and dota2? |
| 01:45.10 | MoonEater916 | yes |
| 01:45.20 | Bibendus | with the streaming download they can easily let u download only what u need |
| 01:45.28 | A1win | Bibendus, arcade will be completely free with starter edition, no need to buy SC2 |
| 01:45.33 | Bibendus | exactly |
| 01:45.39 | Bibendus | that's another change they made |
| 01:45.41 | Bibendus | for that purpose |
| 01:45.46 | MoonEater916 | look, for the last 20 years blizzard has created the most lucrative and popular games ever of all time, what makes you think they wont come close with this? |
| 01:45.46 | Bibendus | they have to fight vs lol and dota |
| 01:46.09 | Bibendus | AND they are adding potential buyers for the future marketplace |
| 01:46.12 | Vindicator | my guess is storm = f2p, part of sc2, microtransactions being the part that preps the marketplace. i don't have anything making it look otherwise |
| 01:46.19 | Bibendus | and now the arcade is fucking empty, you know it |
| 01:46.27 | Bibendus | with that move they are populating it |
| 01:46.36 | Bibendus | that's the infrastructure they were talking about |
| 01:46.51 | MoonEater916 | Wait arcade is completly free? |
| 01:46.58 | progammer | yes |
| 01:46.58 | A1win | yeah |
| 01:46.59 | Vindicator | yes |
| 01:47.02 | A1win | in 2.1 |
| 01:47.03 | Bibendus | it will |
| 01:47.07 | MoonEater916 | oh shit |
| 01:47.10 | Vailreth | yeah it will be |
| 01:47.15 | MoonEater916 | for wol dependancy |
| 01:47.16 | Bibendus | i fucking knew all of this stuff |
| 01:47.19 | MoonEater916 | or hots? |
| 01:47.23 | A1win | both |
| 01:47.27 | Bibendus | else I would have never kept working on hive keeper so long |
| 01:47.34 | A1win | what part of "completely free" is unclear? ;> |
| 01:47.37 | Bibendus | considering noone is playing it right now |
| 01:47.44 | MoonEater916 | well it wont be for LOV.... |
| 01:47.59 | Bibendus | probably it won't have any dependency |
| 01:48.09 | Bibendus | they can't force people to download all the sc2 mod |
| 01:48.13 | Bibendus | these are a lot of gbs |
| 01:48.19 | MoonEater916 | Sims do |
| 01:48.29 | progammer | album of some stuff |
| 01:48.29 | MoonEater916 | and that game alone doesnt sell as well |
| 01:48.30 | progammer | http://imgur.com/a/4sc6o#0 |
| 01:48.33 | progammer | (not all) |
| 01:48.36 | Bibendus | ye but because u have to buy the previous one |
| 01:48.47 | Bibendus | while this will be free |
| 01:49.03 | Bibendus | u won't need a sc2 licence so there is no need to require it |
| 01:49.20 | Bibendus | and while hots uses models and graphics from wol |
| 01:49.33 | Bibendus | the moba will have total new assets |
| 01:49.40 | Bibendus | so there is no need to import all the sc2 mod |
| 01:50.03 | A1win | anyway... what does all this matter in the end |
| 01:50.06 | Bibendus | and if they may need something shared they could still add a separate mod with shared data between all clients |
| 01:50.11 | A1win | no reason to keep arguing about it ;p |
| 01:50.12 | Bibendus | it matters |
| 01:50.18 | Bibendus | because finally our work will be seen by someone |
| 01:50.19 | MoonEater916 | A1win it brings more community to us |
| 01:50.25 | MoonEater916 | and more players to our creators |
| 01:50.36 | MoonEater916 | creations* |
| 01:50.40 | A1win | I mean what does it matter to try to figure out what they've already done |
| 01:50.56 | A1win | we'll find out eventually |
| 01:50.58 | MoonEater916 | lol what does it matter that ur alive? |
| 01:51.02 | MoonEater916 | nothign special there |
| 01:51.03 | MoonEater916 | XD |
| 01:51.05 | MoonEater916 | :P |
| 01:51.08 | Bibendus | it matters |
| 01:51.14 | Bibendus | so u can play in advance |
| 01:51.21 | Bibendus | i knew so I kept working on my map |
| 01:51.28 | MoonEater916 | well its good |
| 01:51.34 | Bibendus | if I didn't know all of that I would have stopped 1 year ago |
| 01:51.35 | MoonEater916 | im about to put my map on beta |
| 01:51.40 | Vindicator | yay db on stage |
| 01:51.49 | Bibendus | and now that it's confirmed it gives me more will to continue |
| 01:51.51 | Vindicator | u can send tweets to them to ask him questions |
| 01:51.54 | Vailreth | also i signed up for the Heros Beta .... |
| 01:52.06 | MoonEater916 | WHA!!! |
| 01:52.13 | MoonEater916 | they have it on the thingy no?!? |
| 01:52.19 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 01:52.33 | MoonEater916 | runs off |
| 01:52.33 | Vailreth | the ansounced that the beta sign ups were live today |
| 01:52.39 | Bibendus | hearthstone... the next bliz pot of gold :P |
| 01:53.08 | Bibendus | uhh |
| 01:53.17 | Bibendus | different moba maps explaination |
| 01:53.26 | Kueken | not sure, but I did read the exact same statement before |
| 01:53.34 | Kueken | nvm |
| 01:53.42 | Kueken | can't keep up with the scrolling |
| 01:53.48 | Bibendus | lol |
| 01:53.52 | Bibendus | coin drop like sonic |
| 01:54.30 | Bibendus | lol |
| 01:54.31 | MoonEater916 | lolz |
| 01:54.33 | Bibendus | nice concepts |
| 01:54.43 | Triceron | so did they confirm if Heroes is standalone? |
| 01:54.44 | Vailreth | im pretty sure that Heros of the Storm will be a F2P game, stand alone and will roll out with the market place updates they wanted for Heart of the Swarm, this is just my opinion on what it will be we dont have to argue its just what i think. |
| 01:54.46 | Triceron | I'm just figuring it is |
| 01:54.50 | Bibendus | i ll kill u all |
| 01:54.54 | Bibendus | if u say this again |
| 01:55.24 | Vailreth | they didnt state out right that its a stand alone but the did talk about it evolving from a Map into its own game |
| 01:55.27 | Bibendus | vail all I said doesn't exclude what u are saying |
| 01:56.26 | Bibendus | and you are still ignoring the fact that the editor is the same (so is the engine) and they said that with the moba they created an infrastructure for the old claimed marketplace (not one for moba only) |
| 01:56.31 | Vailreth | i really badly want for them to release atleast an art dependency for the SC2 Editor |
| 01:56.44 | Bibendus | it's a damn mod |
| 01:56.50 | Triceron | you and everyone |
| 01:56.57 | Vailreth | yes but that doesnt mean it will be a PUBLIC one |
| 01:57.01 | Bibendus | that u can include exactly as you do with hots or wol |
| 01:57.11 | Vindicator | well there it is |
| 01:57.15 | Vindicator | it's not sc2 |
| 01:57.17 | Bibendus | they already said in the past that they wanted to make their assets public |
| 01:57.21 | Bibendus | there is no need to make it private |
| 01:57.30 | Bibendus | it is |
| 01:57.33 | Bibendus | but it's playable alone |
| 01:57.34 | Vindicator | customizing heroes isn't possible with sc2 editor, it'll be possible in a seperate way, they just said |
| 01:57.36 | Vailreth | if it is i will be happy if its not i wont be happy but as far as i know they havent said one way or the other |
| 01:57.43 | MoonEater916 | https://www.dropbox.com/s/2paiz7v3y04ytim/Screenshot2013-11-08%2017_56_33.jpg |
| 01:57.49 | Triceron | they said that before, not now. You don't really know what the situation is |
| 01:58.01 | Triceron | esp if microtransactions comes into question |
| 01:58.22 | Bibendus | all things that can be implemented in the normal arcade |
| 01:58.23 | MoonEater916 | https://www.dropbox.com/s/yuj710olsmmebis/Screenshot2013-11-08%2017_57_10.jpg |
| 01:58.26 | Vindicator | it's so weird that they are going to do it so seperately |
| 01:58.45 | Bibendus | wait wait |
| 01:59.01 | Triceron | technically anything they make that uses SC2 could be used in the Arcade, as long as the format is supported |
| 01:59.05 | Bibendus | don't u have already customization for decals and all that stuff? |
| 01:59.22 | Bibendus | it's just a different interface for the arcade |
| 01:59.23 | Triceron | but we never had to pay for special decals |
| 01:59.25 | Triceron | that's my point |
| 01:59.26 | Bibendus | to allow more customization |
| 01:59.29 | Bibendus | and different scores |
| 01:59.42 | Bibendus | but the marketplace will come later |
| 01:59.48 | Bibendus | anyway |
| 02:00.09 | Bibendus | we don''t know if they will enable the marketplace to sell avatars and decals for sc2 too |
| 02:00.25 | Bibendus | but we know they plan to sell maps |
| 02:00.30 | Tolkfan | Browder is talking about HotS now, he said they have "the most powerful editor", I wonder what he's talking about :> |
| 02:00.39 | Bibendus | lolz |
| 02:01.00 | Bibendus | our wonderful editor with a so complex data editor noone is able to use exepct 10 person in the world |
| 02:01.08 | Triceron | he's prolly talking about WoW |
| 02:01.11 | Triceron | zing! |
| 02:01.14 | Vindicator | lol |
| 02:01.19 | Vindicator | no, hearthstone editor |
| 02:01.21 | Tolkfan | before that he talked about the arcade (while talking about HotS too), but it lagged and I dont know what he said |
| 02:01.23 | Triceron | haha |
| 02:01.27 | Bibendus | the cool thing is that making it as a mod |
| 02:01.37 | progammer | Hearth of the Stone, might as well call it HotS |
| 02:01.45 | Vindicator | the capabilities we have at our disposal to make awesome cards was capable of overlapping into so many other things |
| 02:01.46 | Bibendus | they have a mod that can be used for the standard things |
| 02:01.51 | Triceron | that's the thing though Bib, not once have they mentioned that this is a mod |
| 02:01.52 | Bibendus | models, heroes selections and stats, etc |
| 02:01.59 | Bibendus | then they can make different maps with different playgrounds |
| 02:02.00 | Bibendus | as they are doing |
| 02:02.14 | Bibendus | guys really... do you need to know it's a mod? |
| 02:02.16 | Triceron | Sigaty hinted that they might let players make their own maps for Heroes |
| 02:02.22 | Bibendus | it's a technical thing |
| 02:02.27 | Triceron | that already means it's not intended to be just a SC2 mod. |
| 02:02.28 | Bibendus | people don't care |
| 02:02.29 | Vindicator | now it's a seperate download too |
| 02:02.43 | Bibendus | they want it to be a game that one can play indipendently from sc2 |
| 02:02.45 | Triceron | and there are separate maps for it |
| 02:02.49 | Vindicator | so it's a seperate editor. the game will be editable "hopefully" so that = seperate editor, and now it's a seperate download too |
| 02:02.50 | Bibendus | period |
| 02:02.52 | Kles | huh so |
| 02:02.56 | Kles | making starter edition free to play in the arcade |
| 02:02.59 | Triceron | that's what it sounds like, yes. |
| 02:02.59 | Kles | is very interesting. |
| 02:03.06 | Bibendus | ye let's make different downloads for the same thing |
| 02:03.12 | Bibendus | just change the game |
| 02:03.15 | Bibendus | name |
| 02:03.20 | Triceron | it's not the same thing |
| 02:03.25 | Triceron | it's a different game |
| 02:03.27 | MoonEater916 | all they need todo now if fix the arcade |
| 02:03.37 | Bibendus | exactly as hots is a different game from wol |
| 02:03.39 | Triceron | sure it may use the same infrastructure and engine, but it's not Starcraft 2. |
| 02:03.48 | Triceron | you're arguing semantics |
| 02:03.48 | Bibendus | exactly |
| 02:03.51 | Bibendus | what i m saying |
| 02:03.59 | Bibendus | it's the same engine |
| 02:04.03 | Triceron | and not the reality of the situation |
| 02:04.07 | Bibendus | they mad a huge mod like wol and hots |
| 02:04.19 | Bibendus | and it can be used as standalone |
| 02:04.22 | Triceron | I would agree with you if not for the fact that there seems to be no intention of keeping it within SC2 |
| 02:04.28 | Bibendus | like wol |
| 02:04.55 | Triceron | that's exactly what it is |
| 02:04.59 | Bibendus | they are separate |
| 02:05.01 | Bibendus | mods |
| 02:05.07 | Bibendus | as now u can have wol or wol + hots |
| 02:05.07 | Triceron | but it is not a mod. |
| 02:05.27 | A1win | Bibendus, no you can't, you can only have wol + hots |
| 02:05.27 | Bibendus | u ll be able to have wol or wol + hots or moba or moba + wol or moba + wol + hots |
| 02:05.29 | Bibendus | all combinations |
| 02:05.43 | Bibendus | at the moment yes |
| 02:05.44 | Triceron | that's not how it will work Bibendus. |
| 02:05.54 | Triceron | and I doubt Blizzard would even need to do that. |
| 02:05.56 | Bibendus | because hots is dependent from wol |
| 02:05.58 | progammer | that's what you hope it will work bibendus |
| 02:06.03 | progammer | but its mostlikely wont be |
| 02:06.04 | Bibendus | (talking about heart of the swarm) |
| 02:06.11 | Bibendus | i call the other one moba |
| 02:06.26 | Bibendus | no really |
| 02:06.30 | Bibendus | it's how they did their engine |
| 02:06.32 | Bibendus | and it's how it works |
| 02:06.37 | Bibendus | if they are not using it they are stupid |
| 02:06.44 | Triceron | Heroes will likely be standalone. Meaning separate. Not a mod. |
| 02:06.48 | progammer | there are technological hurdles they have to go through to make the moba smooth |
| 02:06.53 | progammer | and they have to put it sstandalone |
| 02:06.54 | Vindicator | the answer to the problem they just discussed is to charge people to make custom content, similar to the steam greenlight cost |
| 02:06.59 | progammer | even though they are in the sc2 engine |
| 02:07.02 | Triceron | To assume that it is still a mod is making a very big assumption. |
| 02:07.02 | Bibendus | guys wol is a mod |
| 02:07.10 | Bibendus | shit i have to do a screenshot |
| 02:07.23 | Bibendus | the damn engine is modular |
| 02:07.28 | Triceron | The thing is the way you say it |
| 02:07.33 | Bibendus | with no mods it does nothing |
| 02:07.39 | Triceron | you're assuming Heroes will be playable through SC2, right? |
| 02:07.44 | Bibendus | nope |
| 02:07.50 | Triceron | then what is your point? |
| 02:07.51 | Bibendus | I'm saying the engine is the same |
| 02:07.55 | A1win | I've got the impression that they have branched the moba engine from SC2 engine instead of the moba using the actual SC2 engine |
| 02:07.57 | Bibendus | a new .mod file will be usable |
| 02:07.59 | Triceron | and we agreed on that |
| 02:08.03 | Bibendus | that will contain all the moba stuff |
| 02:08.05 | Triceron | cuz that's what it is. |
| 02:08.08 | Triceron | so what's your point still |
| 02:08.13 | Bibendus | the point is |
| 02:08.15 | Bibendus | the engine is the same |
| 02:08.18 | Bibendus | bnet is the same |
| 02:08.20 | A1win | is it? |
| 02:08.30 | A1win | how do you know it's the *same* engine |
| 02:08.32 | Bibendus | as the client is now you are able to download SINGLE files |
| 02:08.35 | Triceron | The engine *was* the same |
| 02:08.36 | Bibendus | for a map |
| 02:08.52 | Triceron | we don't know what modifications (if any) were made otherwise |
| 02:08.52 | Bibendus | so the arcade can be easily shared |
| 02:08.56 | Bibendus | between sc2 and moba |
| 02:09.03 | Bibendus | and that's what they are clearly saying |
| 02:09.08 | Vailreth | no one said anthing abiut sharing that |
| 02:09.11 | Bibendus | - Marketplace: Did not have time/infrastructure to make it work. Heroes of the Storm will start the infrastructure. |
| 02:09.15 | Triceron | you're saying could |
| 02:09.20 | Bibendus | about the infrastructure |
| 02:09.36 | A1win | they can implement the infrastructure in both engines |
| 02:09.43 | A1win | it doesn't need to use the same engine |
| 02:09.54 | Triceron | so are you just saying that to bring up the point that it's possible, or that you want that to happen? |
| 02:09.55 | A1win | it *could*, but it doesn't have to |
| 02:10.03 | Bibendus | aaaaaaand doing it will give what advantages? |
| 02:10.08 | Bibendus | splitting development in 2 engines |
| 02:10.13 | Triceron | they're 2 different games. |
| 02:10.19 | Bibendus | *cry* |
| 02:10.21 | A1win | it will allow them to make modifications to the engine that would break SC2 or whatever |
| 02:10.22 | Triceron | with different developement designers |
| 02:10.32 | Triceron | and what A1win said. |
| 02:10.33 | Tolkfan | Nope, the team is the same as starcraft |
| 02:10.36 | Tolkfan | Team 1 |
| 02:10.38 | Triceron | the team is |
| 02:10.41 | Triceron | the designers may not be |
| 02:10.47 | JademusSreg | What is this argument I don't even |
| 02:11.04 | MoonEater916 | confusion |
| 02:11.18 | Bibendus | A1win reall |
| 02:11.22 | Tolkfan | nope, the designers are the same too |
| 02:11.32 | Bibendus | didnt you notice ALL editor changes that came since 1 year |
| 02:11.35 | Triceron | some of them are |
| 02:11.36 | Bibendus | are made for their dota maps? |
| 02:11.40 | A1win | Bibendus, that's just the impression I've got from everything I've read |
| 02:11.49 | Bibendus | why do u think they made the custom healthbars? |
| 02:12.13 | Bibendus | and the engine is really basics |
| 02:12.23 | A1win | Bibendus, do you know what branching means D: |
| 02:12.24 | Bibendus | it's how the data works, the pathing, the 3d rendering, the UI, etc |
| 02:12.25 | Triceron | I mean has legacy completely stopped dev for Heroes if this is the case? |
| 02:12.30 | Vindicator | http://www.heroesofthestorm.com/en-us/media |
| 02:12.31 | Bibendus | all the stuff is contained in the mod dependency |
| 02:12.49 | Bibendus | tell me what would be the reason to branch the engine |
| 02:12.58 | A1win | technical issues |
| 02:13.00 | Bibendus | to change something that sc2 should not have |
| 02:13.01 | Bibendus | LIKE? |
| 02:13.05 | A1win | how should I know |
| 02:13.09 | Bibendus | the only thing at the moment is reconnection |
| 02:13.10 | Ahli | I love that heroes' diablo is diablo 2 ;D |
| 02:13.18 | Bibendus | and they said they are working on it |
| 02:13.21 | Ahli | at least in the panel |
| 02:13.28 | Bibendus | do you really think they are doin it for sc2 or for moba? |
| 02:13.37 | A1win | Bibendus, they can do it for both branches at the same time |
| 02:13.49 | Bibendus | but they don't need to branch |
| 02:13.56 | A1win | how do you know that? |
| 02:13.58 | Bibendus | the game is a strategy game like starcraft |
| 02:13.59 | Triceron | How do you know |
| 02:14.12 | Bibendus | no wait you are arguing they are branching |
| 02:14.15 | Tolkfan | What? the engine isn't branched at all. THEY ARE USING EXACTLY THE SAME EDITOR. |
| 02:14.17 | Bibendus | I must not demostrate the opposite |
| 02:14.19 | Tolkfan | http://i.imgur.com/p0RM93M.jpg |
| 02:14.26 | Bibendus | you should |
| 02:14.55 | Triceron | Bibendus, here's a quick example of why they would want to branch. Not the best, but a quick one. |
| 02:14.57 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 02:15.00 | Bibendus | give a reason for that, else they are just stupid random suppositions with no prove or logical reason |
| 02:15.09 | Triceron | SC2's default armor system is different from Warcraft 3. |
| 02:15.21 | Bibendus | they made the % thing |
| 02:15.24 | Bibendus | recently |
| 02:15.29 | Bibendus | I read it in some patch |
| 02:15.30 | Triceron | if they happened to go back to a War3 style armor system, they could do that in SC2 yes, or they could retune the engine to use different standards |
| 02:15.32 | Bibendus | and it's optional |
| 02:16.12 | JademusSreg | Tolk, image source? |
| 02:16.26 | Bibendus | - '(WC3) Armor Formula' support |
| 02:16.26 | Bibendus | Unit's Life Armor, Shield Armor, Energy Armor now all have a 'Armor Formula' field to allows you to customize your armor Formula for each unit. And you can add tooltips for units' life armor. |
| 02:16.31 | Bibendus | guys seriously... |
| 02:16.48 | Bibendus | it's obvious they are doin all the sc2 editor changes because they need them for the moba |
| 02:16.51 | Triceron | Bibendus, so what happens if they need to update the Heroes engine for specific changes? |
| 02:16.59 | Bibendus | they do them optional |
| 02:16.59 | Triceron | SC2 would have to get the same updates. |
| 02:17.02 | Bibendus | exactly as they are doin it now |
| 02:17.04 | A1win | Bibendus, doesn't mean the engine is not branched |
| 02:17.06 | Tolkfan | Jade, it's the developer interview about HotS http://youtu.be/EnhI_JotfcY?t=1m you can see his screen |
| 02:17.29 | Bibendus | A1win what I'm saying that atm there is no logical reason to do it |
| 02:17.36 | Bibendus | the advantages of keeping the engine the same are huge |
| 02:17.37 | Ahli | lol, murcablo o0 |
| 02:17.52 | Bibendus | while branching for unknown reason... meh? |
| 02:17.53 | A1win | Bibendus, none that we know about |
| 02:18.10 | Bibendus | we have a lot of things that say the opposite |
| 02:18.11 | A1win | but the way the devs have been talking when they've been here has given the impression that it will be a separate game |
| 02:18.14 | Bibendus | even this last declaration |
| 02:18.14 | JademusSreg | Hahaha, thanks Tolk. |
| 02:18.18 | Bibendus | from few hours ago |
| 02:18.23 | Triceron | branching is like saving a copy of a file and working on the copy so you don't risk screwing up your original. |
| 02:18.34 | Triceron | I don't see what negatives there are to that at all. |
| 02:18.45 | Bibendus | ye it's the sc2 editor |
| 02:18.55 | A1win | (or a copy of the SC2 editor) |
| 02:18.59 | Triceron | you're basically saying they shouldn't make a copy and should modify the original instead. |
| 02:19.13 | Bibendus | possible but improbable |
| 02:19.22 | Bibendus | let's say that so u'r happy |
| 02:19.23 | Bibendus | :P |
| 02:19.34 | Triceron | even though modifying the original has the potential of screwing up the original game, or in case of any modifications for this new game, constant updates that SC2 just doesn't need. |
| 02:19.49 | Bibendus | the negative is that u can't share an arcade system |
| 02:19.53 | Bibendus | between 2 different engines |
| 02:19.58 | Bibendus | so 2 different communities |
| 02:20.00 | Triceron | why would they want to share the arcade system? |
| 02:20.03 | Triceron | They never said theyw ere going to |
| 02:20.07 | Bibendus | a player that plays the moba can't play a sc2 arcade map |
| 02:20.09 | Bibendus | and the opposite |
| 02:20.10 | Bibendus | that's why |
| 02:20.12 | Triceron | you're making assumptions that it would be a benefit |
| 02:20.23 | Bibendus | tell me why blizzard should split the 2 communities that could use the same engine |
| 02:20.27 | Triceron | when again, this is a different game. |
| 02:20.27 | Bibendus | and I will agree with you |
| 02:20.31 | Triceron | because it's a different game! |
| 02:20.36 | Bibendus | profs |
| 02:20.38 | Bibendus | about that |
| 02:20.45 | Bibendus | I told u thousand of reasons why it's not |
| 02:20.47 | Tolkfan | Tolkfan: what's this about all-stars being a standalone game? No longer a mod? :O |
| 02:20.47 | Tolkfan | Tolkfan: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=509442 |
| 02:20.47 | Tolkfan | Blizz-Deletarius: he never says that |
| 02:21.10 | Bibendus | so let's argue about the mod word then |
| 02:21.22 | Bibendus | if you intend a mod is something dependent from another game |
| 02:21.26 | Bibendus | no it won't be a mod |
| 02:21.33 | Bibendus | if u mean what I mean... mod = module |
| 02:21.45 | Bibendus | the engine is an empty shell, you add a module and it becomes a game |
| 02:21.55 | JademusSreg | Looks like they're taking the game in a good direction. |
| 02:21.56 | Bibendus | you add wol and it becomes sc2 |
| 02:22.05 | Bibendus | you add moba and it becomes heroes of the storm |
| 02:22.09 | A1win | I'll go to sleep, I don't really care if it's a standalone game or not, I've never played any mobas |
| 02:22.11 | Triceron | Bibendus, Heroes is not a mod. It is a standalone game. As soon as you accept that, you can begin to understand the why. |
| 02:22.21 | Bibendus | read what I said plz |
| 02:22.29 | MoonEater916 | A1win u should |
| 02:22.36 | Bibendus | even liberty is a mod |
| 02:22.40 | Bibendus | module |
| 02:22.43 | Triceron | but whatever, I'm done. |
| 02:22.45 | MoonEater916 | your maps will recieve players if they dont seperate |
| 02:22.46 | Bibendus | call it as u wish |
| 02:22.54 | A1win | (mod is short for modification) |
| 02:22.54 | Tolkfan | I just pasted a quote from a dev that denies it being a standalone game... |
| 02:23.02 | Bibendus | it won't depend from other games |
| 02:23.06 | Bibendus | I never said that |
| 02:23.12 | Vailreth | that quote is out of date |
| 02:23.19 | Bibendus | denies it beeing a standalone? |
| 02:23.21 | Bibendus | wut? |
| 02:23.27 | Tolkfan | that quote is from january |
| 02:23.28 | Vailreth | they said on the blizzconstream that its its own game |
| 02:23.31 | progammer | its allstar, that is not reliable |
| 02:23.33 | Bibendus | u mean it IS standalone |
| 02:23.34 | A1win | it also doesn't deny anything |
| 02:23.48 | Bibendus | guys |
| 02:24.00 | Bibendus | a mod to common people means something that depends from something else |
| 02:24.02 | Bibendus | am I right? |
| 02:24.05 | Tolkfan | when say "standalone" i mean "completely separate .exe, not related to sc2" |
| 02:24.07 | JademusSreg | All that is certain in this matter is our own ignorance. Until we dig into the data, we know exactly jack fucking shit. |
| 02:24.18 | Vailreth | yes |
| 02:24.26 | Triceron | Tolkfan, you mean this? "Now, it seems certain to be a standalone game. Sigaty refused to go into detail "? |
| 02:24.27 | Bibendus | Tolkfan did I say it depends from sc2? |
| 02:24.39 | A1win | Bibendus, yeah |
| 02:24.44 | Bibendus | no |
| 02:24.48 | Bibendus | I said the engine is the same |
| 02:24.49 | A1win | sc2 is the engine |
| 02:25.02 | Bibendus | it's obvious they won't keep the exe as sc2 |
| 02:25.07 | Bibendus | still it will be the same engine |
| 02:25.16 | Bibendus | just a rename I think would be fine lol |
| 02:25.39 | Bibendus | but the engine must be idhentical to not split the community |
| 02:25.47 | A1win | why would they do *that* if it wasn't standalone |
| 02:25.48 | Tolkfan | Triceron, I mean this: "Blizz-Deletarius: he never says that" |
| 02:25.50 | Kueken | Jade: Jack fucking shit is still something. |
| 02:26.02 | Bibendus | standalone doesnt mean is another game |
| 02:26.05 | Kueken | it is in fact invaluable information |
| 02:26.08 | Bibendus | means you can play it without the need of other things |
| 02:26.09 | Bibendus | am I right? |
| 02:26.11 | Vailreth | no |
| 02:26.14 | Bibendus | yes |
| 02:26.16 | Vailreth | no |
| 02:26.21 | Kueken | I concur |
| 02:26.21 | A1win | Bibendus, that's not what we meant by it |
| 02:26.25 | Triceron | Tolkfan, is it in the thread you linked? |
| 02:26.31 | Kueken | standalone expansions are a thing |
| 02:26.46 | A1win | anyway sleep now |
| 02:26.51 | Tolkfan | Triceron it was here on irc, in january |
| 02:26.54 | Kueken | same engine, same game but doesn't require the game itself |
| 02:27.03 | Bibendus | exactly |
| 02:27.04 | Triceron | that was about it being standalone, right? |
| 02:27.48 | Bibendus | the word is self explicatory |
| 02:27.54 | Triceron | cuz at the stream they pretty much said it was its own game |
| 02:27.58 | Tolkfan | I asked dele about that linked interview where they it seems they say it's no longer a mod. Dele answered "that's not what he said". Seems straighforward. |
| 02:28.08 | Bibendus | because you can play it alone |
| 02:28.09 | Vailreth | they said it was its own game Many Times |
| 02:28.18 | Tolkfan | My typing, very bad |
| 02:28.18 | Bibendus | people were asking if u needed sc2 to play it |
| 02:28.21 | Bibendus | the answer is NOT |
| 02:28.24 | Bibendus | that's what they answered |
| 02:28.41 | Bibendus | and people speculated no it's a different engine blah blah blah |
| 02:28.44 | Bibendus | it was never said |
| 02:28.47 | Triceron | I think the information we have today (and in recent weeks since Heroes announcement) makes it pretty clear what they want to do with Heroes. |
| 02:28.55 | Triceron | and it's not keeping it as a Mod tied to SC2. |
| 02:28.59 | Bibendus | exactly |
| 02:29.02 | Triceron | in any form. |
| 02:29.12 | Bibendus | why in any form lol |
| 02:29.17 | Triceron | so I don't know what you're trying to push Bib |
| 02:29.23 | Tolkfan | but it will share the arcade and probably be playable from starcraft 2 |
| 02:29.27 | Triceron | if you're saying they *should* keep it a mod or what |
| 02:29.28 | Bibendus | do you think a player care what the engine is? |
| 02:29.37 | Triceron | Tolkfan, they said that today? |
| 02:29.43 | Vailreth | no they didnt |
| 02:29.47 | Bibendus | don't invent things |
| 02:29.59 | Bibendus | copy the phrases |
| 02:30.03 | Bibendus | and don't interpretate |
| 02:30.10 | Triceron | cuz I heard nothing about 'it will share teh arcade' |
| 02:30.15 | Triceron | that was old news |
| 02:30.25 | Triceron | like blizzcon 2009 old |
| 02:30.28 | Vailreth | things change |
| 02:30.30 | Tolkfan | no, but it's basically a giant, standalone dependancy for starcraft, why wouldn't it share the arcade? |
| 02:30.34 | Bibendus | Marketplace: Did not have time/infrastructure to make it work. Heroes of the Storm will start the infrastructure. |
| 02:30.35 | Bibendus | this |
| 02:30.36 | Bibendus | explain this |
| 02:30.42 | Triceron | Tolkfan, Heroes is a new game. |
| 02:30.46 | Triceron | just think of it that way. |
| 02:30.46 | Vailreth | even in the course of a few months things can change |
| 02:30.59 | Triceron | because it's no longer a mod. They have cut all association to the word. |
| 02:31.07 | Tolkfan | marketing. |
| 02:31.12 | Vailreth | yeah Heros is a new game.... Triceron is right |
| 02:31.15 | Triceron | not once have they mentioned Starcraft 2 or integration with any of its features. |
| 02:31.19 | Vailreth | and its not "marketing" |
| 02:31.21 | Triceron | since Heroes announcement |
| 02:31.33 | Triceron | if we were to assume that it was, we should have heard something. |
| 02:31.33 | Bibendus | my explaination: we did not have time to work on the marketplace we promised you and it was useless because noone is playing the arcade, now with heroes of the storm the player base of the arcade will be greater and we can work on the marketplace |
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| 02:31.49 | Tolkfan | Browder mentioned the sc2 editor when talking about Hots, there's a screenshot of the devs using the editor to make te game... |
| 02:31.58 | Triceron | except heroes will have nothing to do with the arcade. |
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| 02:32.12 | Vailreth | it could be a brach of the editor and engine |
| 02:32.12 | Bibendus | exepct he was talking about the old marketplace |
| 02:32.14 | Triceron | it's not an arcade game. It's Heroes. |
| 02:32.16 | Vailreth | branch* |
| 02:32.17 | Bibendus | and he linked it to heroes |
| 02:32.18 | Bibendus | explain |
| 02:32.30 | Bibendus | no it's not an arcade game |
| 02:32.35 | Bibendus | it's a game like wol |
| 02:32.40 | Bibendus | that use the same engine as wol |
| 02:32.42 | Triceron | yes |
| 02:32.43 | Bibendus | but don't require wol |
| 02:32.45 | Triceron | essentially |
| 02:32.46 | Bibendus | doesn't |
| 02:32.53 | Vailreth | i think people have tooo narrow an expectation of the marketplace |
| 02:32.54 | Triceron | kinda like how WoW was developed out of War3 engine |
| 02:33.04 | Triceron | it started as development using the same assets |
| 02:33.08 | Bibendus | they answered the question |
| 02:33.15 | Bibendus | I don't think it will be anytime soon |
| 02:33.16 | Triceron | then they branched it completely |
| 02:33.21 | Bibendus | but that's clearly their plan |
| 02:33.31 | Bibendus | ok they branched for what reasons? |
| 02:33.46 | Bibendus | to say it's different to players don't know anything about game development? |
| 02:33.57 | Triceron | why are you looking for a reason? |
| 02:34.04 | Bibendus | because you are doin suppositions |
| 02:34.10 | Bibendus | you must give at least an explaination |
| 02:34.11 | Triceron | I mean it sounds like youre assuming that branching is a bad thing |
| 02:34.15 | Bibendus | that you think it's reasonable |
| 02:34.22 | Bibendus | else you are arguing random stuff |
| 02:34.30 | Bibendus | that u don't even are able to explain |
| 02:34.33 | A1win | to have the optiom to develop it to another direction than sc2 |
| 02:34.47 | Bibendus | guess they will need it in the future |
| 02:34.53 | Triceron | Because we aren't given any reason to assume that they're using SC2 vis-a-vis |
| 02:34.54 | Bibendus | but now, why should they need to branch it |
| 02:35.04 | Vailreth | to make changes to the core that will not effect the RTS elements of the existing engine |
| 02:35.06 | Bibendus | yes |
| 02:35.12 | Bibendus | I gave u a lot of inputs |
| 02:35.12 | Triceron | and it's common sense to use a different engine for a different game? |
| 02:35.15 | A1win | what I just said |
| 02:35.21 | Bibendus | - custom healtbars |
| 02:35.29 | Bibendus | - custom wc3 armor system (optional) |
| 02:35.36 | Kueken | they could, or they could not |
| 02:35.38 | Triceron | I mean is it not common sense that they would use a variation of the engine? |
| 02:35.45 | Bibendus | - the declaration about marketplace that now can be done due to heroes |
| 02:35.51 | Triceron | it's not exactly going to add features that SC2 will use |
| 02:35.53 | A1win | if they don't brancv, they won't have the option |
| 02:36.08 | Bibendus | one can branch when he needs it |
| 02:36.10 | Tolkfan | why would they use a variation of the engine? it's a dota game,it controls like an rts... |
| 02:36.12 | A1win | typing on tablet |
| 02:36.35 | Bibendus | I'm typing worse from a keyboard who cares :P |
| 02:37.01 | Bibendus | exactly Tolkfan i don't get it xD |
| 02:37.09 | Bibendus | I could understand if it was an fps |
| 02:37.17 | Bibendus | and they needed to fix the input lag just for the fps |
| 02:37.25 | Vailreth | because they may want or need changes to the core of the engine that they do not want propogated to the RTS core of the SC2 Engine... |
| 02:37.29 | Bibendus | then a branch would have been useful |
| 02:37.31 | A1win | they won't be able to separate it from sc2 if they don't do it before release |
| 02:37.42 | Bibendus | sigh make an exampleeeeeeeeee |
| 02:37.50 | Bibendus | LIKE? |
| 02:38.14 | Kueken | anything the SC2 editor is incapable of they can patch in, if they want to |
| 02:38.15 | A1win | what does that matter |
| 02:38.20 | Kueken | ^ |
| 02:38.22 | Vailreth | how the hell would we know we dont have intimate knowlegde of the code of the engine |
| 02:38.25 | Bibendus | and why can't they do it for both |
| 02:38.27 | Tolkfan | it's BENEFICIAL if it propogates to sc2, more modding stuff for use, they kill 2 birds with one stone. They get a game, we get features in the editor. |
| 02:38.28 | Bibendus | (as they are doing) |
| 02:38.39 | Bibendus | it works like a rts |
| 02:38.46 | Kueken | Bibendus: My point was for your argument |
| 02:38.48 | Kueken | :) |
| 02:38.53 | Bibendus | why should they make something for the moba that should not be to the rts |
| 02:39.02 | Bibendus | and I'm talking about hardcoded engine stuff |
| 02:39.21 | Bibendus | kueken wasnt for u :P |
| 02:39.29 | Bibendus | still for A1win |
| 02:39.32 | Kueken | felt like it |
| 02:39.34 | A1win | networking for example |
| 02:39.40 | Bibendus | it's an rts |
| 02:39.42 | Kueken | anyway, doesn't matter really |
| 02:39.43 | Bibendus | and works like an rts |
| 02:40.15 | Bibendus | and if they are able to reduce the lag from the moba it would be fine to do it even from sc2 |
| 02:40.15 | Vailreth | an out side of map hero selection system for one thing |
| 02:40.18 | Triceron | because every time Heroes gets a new hero that has a hardcoded mechanic/feature, SC2 would require to be updated. Thaat could be a weekly thing, dewpending how often Heroes gets updated. |
| 02:40.22 | Triceron | that is bad. |
| 02:40.22 | Bibendus | selection is made ingame |
| 02:40.36 | Bibendus | like we do with our custom maps |
| 02:40.48 | Vailreth | how do you know selection is made in game for their designed final product ? |
| 02:41.13 | Bibendus | atm the data editor allows u to do a lot of stuff |
| 02:41.20 | Bibendus | to abilities without the need of changing the whole engine |
| 02:41.25 | Bibendus | and you know that |
| 02:41.26 | Vailreth | the fact of the matter is we dont know what they intend other than that its its own game. |
| 02:41.35 | A1win | yeah, separate updates is a good point |
| 02:41.49 | Bibendus | if they need something for the moba they spread the change to sc2 as they are doin |
| 02:41.54 | Tolkfan | we really need a blizz dev in here to clear this up :P |
| 02:42.00 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 02:42.10 | Bibendus | the point is |
| 02:42.16 | Bibendus | I clearly see where they are going |
| 02:42.24 | Vailreth | no you THINK you do |
| 02:42.27 | Bibendus | and I'm working knowing that |
| 02:42.33 | Bibendus | we'll see then who's right |
| 02:42.39 | Bibendus | I have a lot of profs you have 0 |
| 02:42.40 | A1win | we will |
| 02:42.49 | Vailreth | you have 0 proof |
| 02:42.57 | Bibendus | not to be arrogant but seriously u gave no reasons |
| 02:43.07 | Bibendus | I told u what's happening and the reason for that |
| 02:43.10 | Bibendus | and what they said |
| 02:43.15 | Bibendus | dont force me to copy paste it again |
| 02:43.22 | Triceron | say they add a microtransaction system allowing sellable puppies, and it required 2gb of extra space and content. You're basically saying SC2 should get the same system, just to keep the engines the same. Even if SC2 and its mods will never sell puppies. |
| 02:43.44 | Bibendus | or this time I want your explaination for each thing I said |
| 02:44.03 | Bibendus | sc2 will sell maps |
| 02:44.05 | Bibendus | (games) |
| 02:44.07 | Triceron | You're making to many assumptions, so no. |
| 02:44.13 | Tolkfan | dude... the engine is modular, it doesn't need to load those puppies... |
| 02:44.20 | Bibendus | you are doin the same with nothing to carry them |
| 02:44.34 | Bibendus | I'm carrying them with something that has sense |
| 02:44.43 | Tolkfan | I don't load the whole campaign data when playing a melee match |
| 02:44.45 | A1win | it needs the infrastructure of puppy selling |
| 02:44.49 | Bibendus | even when u talked about the armor system I show u they just did it for sc2 too |
| 02:44.54 | Bibendus | how can't it be clear for you |
| 02:45.04 | Bibendus | I don't understand |
| 02:45.18 | Triceron | mods are content, the engine is hardcode |
| 02:45.22 | Bibendus | btw prepare for a lot of players back to bnet |
| 02:45.29 | Vailreth | becuase what the did in the past doesnt not equal what they are doing now.... |
| 02:45.31 | Tolkfan | the engine doesn't take 2gb |
| 02:45.33 | Bibendus | (if the heroes of thingy will be succesfully obviously) |
| 02:45.41 | A1win | they do it for sc2 and then branch out, which incöudes that change |
| 02:45.48 | Vailreth | you're missing the entire point Tolk... |
| 02:46.00 | Triceron | any hardcode changes that aren't benefcial to SC2 are unnecessary. |
| 02:46.05 | Vindicator | i feel like bibendus is all jacked up on caffine tonight or something, ur not usually so talkative hahha |
| 02:46.12 | DeadZergling | Jumping to assumptions again about the map marketplace I see |
| 02:46.16 | A1win | hehe |
| 02:46.17 | Bibendus | lol it's blizzcon |
| 02:46.20 | Bibendus | I wake up once a year |
| 02:46.30 | Bibendus | hallo dead :P |
| 02:46.36 | Bibendus | wanna join our conversation for other 2 hours? |
| 02:46.42 | Triceron | cuz the thing is, it could all be the same, yes. |
| 02:46.45 | A1win | now sleep for realsies |
| 02:46.47 | Triceron | but it isn't. |
| 02:46.47 | DeadZergling | Hi Bibendus, yea I'm glad the arcade is now free |
| 02:46.50 | Tolkfan | they don't do hardcoded stuff, they expand the data editor to allow them to do something. That is beneficial to sc2 |
| 02:46.50 | Bibendus | this time there is a phrase |
| 02:46.54 | Bibendus | not just arguing |
| 02:46.54 | DeadZergling | can have friends w/o SC2 goof off on my map now |
| 02:47.11 | Bibendus | could you please give me your interpretation of this phrase? |
| 02:47.12 | Bibendus | Marketplace: Did not have time/infrastructure to make it work. Heroes of the Storm will start the infrastructure. |
| 02:47.27 | Triceron | Bibendus, you don't know that |
| 02:47.27 | Bibendus | that was a Q&A |
| 02:47.38 | Bibendus | it's something that has been asked few hours ago |
| 02:47.39 | Vindicator | he's copy/pasting |
| 02:47.41 | Bibendus | I know that |
| 02:47.42 | Bibendus | lol |
| 02:47.47 | Bibendus | cmon really? |
| 02:47.47 | Vindicator | it's from progammers notes of the Q&A |
| 02:48.00 | Vindicator | so it's not really an assumption |
| 02:48.00 | Bibendus | U don't even believe what I write xD |
| 02:48.07 | Vailreth | that they will be rolling out their marketplace in line with release of Heroes |
| 02:48.10 | Ahli | it's one step into the direction towards the marketplace |
| 02:48.11 | DeadZergling | Sounds promising, but to me it just sounds like they changing it because they wanted HoS to be able to make them more money |
| 02:48.18 | Triceron | I should rephrase |
| 02:48.23 | DeadZergling | and mapmakers might get a benefit from it in the process |
| 02:48.29 | Bibendus | sure but |
| 02:48.36 | Triceron | The infrastructure could mean the business model. |
| 02:48.40 | Bibendus | what about the "infrastructure" they are talking about |
| 02:48.41 | Triceron | not the actual tech. |
| 02:48.42 | Vindicator | no one said it's coming with heroes, heroes somehow = beginning of the infrastructure that will be the marketplace |
| 02:48.46 | Bibendus | they alerady have it |
| 02:48.47 | Bibendus | with herathstone |
| 02:48.55 | Bibendus | heartstone |
| 02:48.55 | Vailreth | i think you are severly underestimnating the scope they have in mind for the marketplace... |
| 02:48.55 | DeadZergling | infrastructure usually refers to hardware, no? |
| 02:48.55 | Bibendus | they have a business model |
| 02:49.01 | Bibendus | yes and not |
| 02:49.10 | Bibendus | a set of things required for something |
| 02:49.12 | Triceron | no |
| 02:49.19 | Triceron | because you can have a business infrastructure |
| 02:49.28 | Bibendus | the base to do something |
| 02:49.40 | Ahli | I think the phrasing was different from what programmer wrote... so, I think the meaning is slightly different. But in the end it means that they would like to do it, but they will look into it after heroes as it contains one stept that is required for the marketplace |
| 02:49.42 | Bibendus | is that a correct interpretation? |
| 02:49.48 | Triceron | sorry, more clearly, an economic infrastructure |
| 02:49.49 | Bibendus | they have the basis now |
| 02:50.14 | Bibendus | why do you think first at an economic structure |
| 02:50.17 | Bibendus | that can be something indirect |
| 02:50.21 | Tolkfan | say... Sixen has an interview with Browder coming up... maybe he could ask and clear this up? :> |
| 02:50.30 | Vindicator | daaamn hellooooo wizard |
| 02:50.31 | Bibendus | and not at the first thing that should come in mind... afflux of players |
| 02:50.38 | Bibendus | that they previously didn't have |
| 02:50.39 | Ahli | but I need to continue processing the heroes panel with notes and screenshots |
| 02:50.54 | Bibendus | sixen never asks good questions xD |
| 02:50.59 | Bibendus | I don't trust him :P |
| 02:51.23 | progammer | that's what all fan sites do |
| 02:51.29 | Triceron | because business models are sometimes tougher to solve than technical ones |
| 02:51.34 | progammer | ask good question for blizz, not good question for us |
| 02:51.50 | Bibendus | heroes contains one step of what is required for the marketplace |
| 02:51.52 | Bibendus | perfect |
| 02:52.11 | Triceron | and it's kind of hard to think that they're only pushing back due to technical reasons. |
| 02:52.13 | Bibendus | ye! he's the 1% |
| 02:52.28 | Bibendus | obvs not |
| 02:52.37 | Bibendus | we know that the actual arcade is desert |
| 02:52.46 | Triceron | and that heroes suddenly fixes their technical problem - even though it's the same engine.... |
| 02:52.51 | Bibendus | and making a marketplace for something desert would be a waste of money |
| 02:52.53 | Bibendus | am I right? |
| 02:53.11 | Bibendus | something like working 3 years on hive keeper for noone to play it |
| 02:53.15 | Bibendus | that would be stupid right? |
| 02:53.17 | Bibendus | :D |
| 02:53.28 | Bibendus | noone answering yey |
| 02:53.30 | Triceron | well you're pretty much clear on your stance now |
| 02:53.34 | Bibendus | I suppose it's a yes :D |
| 02:53.38 | Triceron | now that I know your motivations, I'm done |
| 02:53.49 | Triceron | believe what you will. |
| 02:53.58 | Bibendus | we'll meat again!!! |
| 02:54.02 | Bibendus | :D |
| 02:54.31 | Triceron | perhaps in Heroes :) |
| 02:54.39 | Triceron | I don't play Starcraft 2 |
| 02:54.44 | DeadZergling | not about money for me, I have to finish my project, because otherwise it won't be finished |
| 02:54.47 | Bibendus | I don't know if I will stop playin lol for it mmm |
| 02:54.52 | DeadZergling | the end, lol |
| 02:55.03 | Bibendus | that queen of blades is fat |
| 02:55.12 | Vailreth | i wont be playing either really |
| 02:55.21 | Bibendus | btw they have cool gameplay concept |
| 02:55.22 | Bibendus | s |
| 02:55.25 | Triceron | money should never be a guiding factor for hobbies |
| 02:55.46 | Bibendus | exepct if u want to make it a job |
| 02:55.55 | Triceron | if it's a job |
| 02:55.58 | Triceron | it's not a hobby |
| 02:56.12 | Bibendus | to make it a job from a hobby u need money |
| 02:56.14 | Bibendus | then it becomes a job |
| 02:56.15 | Bibendus | :D |
| 02:56.19 | Bibendus | maaagic |
| 02:56.32 | Triceron | trust me, it don't work that way :) |
| 02:56.42 | Bibendus | u don't work for money? |
| 02:56.47 | Bibendus | u poor then :D |
| 02:56.53 | Bibendus | how can you afford food? |
| 02:56.57 | Triceron | I don't right now |
| 02:57.00 | ArcanePariah | Difference between a job and a hobby is a job is a means to an end, a hobby is an end to itself |
| 02:57.02 | Bibendus | oh k then :D |
| 02:57.05 | Triceron | I don't |
| 02:57.37 | Triceron | I lost my job 3 yrs ago doing what I love, the industry around me has collapsed, and here I am talking to you :) |
| 02:57.43 | ArcanePariah | Most people work jobs to acquire the money to support their hobbies, with the rare individual whos job aligns with their hobbies |
| 02:57.55 | Bibendus | won't u love to live making maps? |
| 02:58.03 | Triceron | i'm a modeller |
| 02:58.09 | Bibendus | or doin models for maps |
| 02:58.12 | Bibendus | or whatever damnit |
| 02:58.13 | Bibendus | xD |
| 02:58.14 | Triceron | yes |
| 02:58.17 | Bibendus | u can already sell stuff |
| 02:58.19 | Triceron | but as soon as you get money into it |
| 02:58.20 | Vindicator | i r broke too. there should be a broke mapping team lol |
| 02:58.21 | Triceron | it's not a hobby |
| 02:58.23 | Triceron | it's a job. |
| 02:58.29 | Bibendus | and u don't like to work |
| 02:58.30 | Triceron | you won't feel the same about it |
| 02:58.31 | Bibendus | i understand :D |
| 02:59.05 | Bibendus | btw once mapping vecomes a job |
| 02:59.09 | Bibendus | u can find another hobby |
| 02:59.12 | Bibendus | xD |
| 02:59.12 | ArcanePariah | Bibendus: The issue with money is that it creates expectations, which tend to cause problems in creative processes, since by their nature, creative works do not obey economic models nor business deadlines |
| 02:59.37 | Triceron | exactly that. |
| 02:59.41 | progammer | just look into the dota 2 workshop, its not modeler with a hobby get money there |
| 03:00.11 | Bibendus | still sc2 was made by paid people |
| 03:00.20 | Bibendus | with economic expectations from their bosses |
| 03:00.21 | progammer | and it wasnt perfect |
| 03:00.27 | Bibendus | yep |
| 03:00.41 | Triceron | but it's a job. |
| 03:00.43 | Bibendus | but it had economics resources |
| 03:00.56 | Triceron | They aren't working on their personal project on their own time |
| 03:01.00 | Bibendus | else it would have been a 2d 8bit style rts :D |
| 03:01.08 | Triceron | they have deadlines making content that designers created. |
| 03:01.16 | Bibendus | money gives even chances to make a better job |
| 03:01.20 | Bibendus | it's not only negative |
| 03:01.20 | Tolkfan | Good news everyone, Sixen will ask Browder how much Heroes and SC2 interact. http://youtu.be/o0c1kYl4DHM?t=2m54s |
| 03:01.23 | Triceron | or the designers are working on mechanics that need to be tested and fixed. |
| 03:01.30 | Triceron | and are beholden to their managers |
| 03:01.32 | Bibendus | and it still depends on who's the boss and how the money influences him |
| 03:01.35 | ArcanePariah | Bibendus: Arguably, the business expectations are the reasons for some of the failures of sc2 |
| 03:01.39 | ArcanePariah | like b.net |
| 03:01.40 | Triceron | with producers breathing down their necks |
| 03:01.47 | Bibendus | tx tolk :D |
| 03:02.13 | Bibendus | i may start trusting again sixen |
| 03:02.13 | Bibendus | mmm |
| 03:02.30 | Bibendus | did he just upload it? |
| 03:03.19 | progammer | I like how blizz cut cost on their Storm cinematic: sandstorm everywhere |
| 03:03.58 | Tolkfan | the faces in that cinematic look strange... |
| 03:05.10 | Tolkfan | Bibendus, yeah, he mentioned in a prev video that he has an interview with Browder, now he said he'll ask about this little problem of ours... It's like he reads minds :P |
| 03:05.33 | Bibendus | :O |
| 03:05.45 | Bibendus | is he a wizard? |
| 03:05.59 | Tolkfan | he doesn't have the hat. |
| 03:06.12 | Bibendus | http://www.heroesofthestorm.com/en-us |
| 03:06.14 | Bibendus | beta signup |
| 03:06.21 | Bibendus | is it the true one? xD |
| 03:06.24 | Stewox | hi guys |
| 03:06.39 | Stewox | it's showtime! http://i.imgur.com/0EdQsYd.jpg |
| 03:06.45 | Stewox | 4 AM over here in EU |
| 03:06.59 | Stewox | got my command center all set up http://i.imgur.com/0EdQsYd.jpg |
| 03:07.06 | Stewox | oh i already pasted that link heh |
| 03:07.11 | Bibendus | guys |
| 03:07.13 | Bibendus | set in your options |
| 03:07.15 | progammer | beta profiles has been up since blizzcon started yes |
| 03:07.18 | Bibendus | on bnet account |
| 03:07.29 | Bibendus | they added heroes and you have to flag it ;) |
| 03:07.39 | progammer | the icon for it, however, has been datamined a week ago |
| 03:08.38 | Tolkfan | wow, hearthstone is going open beta in a month? I just traded my beta key for a 25$ game XD |
| 03:08.40 | Triceron | you can sign up straight through your bnet account |
| 03:08.40 | Bibendus | i ll go to sleep |
| 03:09.02 | Tolkfan | sleep? it's only 4 in the morning... |
| 03:09.07 | Bibendus | callin the cops |
| 03:09.11 | Bibendus | please stay where you are |
| 03:09.23 | Bibendus | :P |
| 03:10.41 | Bibendus | good night |
| 03:11.07 | progammer | and now we got some silence :P |
| 03:11.23 | DeadZergling | We did, but you just ruined it |
| 03:11.35 | Triceron | What do you mean, I'm still here |
| 03:11.40 | Triceron | dances |
| 03:21.07 | DeadZergling | Triceron dancing, the conversation killer. |
| 03:21.47 | Vindicator | a girl dressed up as valerian lol |
| 03:21.54 | Vindicator | cool but odd choice |
| 03:22.12 | progammer | not watching it, uploading hots video :( |
| 03:29.02 | progammer | 1st video up: abathur http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq2SuWzzKJA |
| 03:32.58 | Triceron | damn I want that dragon knight model |
| 03:33.08 | Triceron | Thanks for the vid Progammer! |
| 03:34.54 | progammer | np |
| 03:42.27 | Ahli | 80mb of hearthstone panel screenshots :X |
| 03:43.26 | Stewox | anyone still up in EU ? |
| 03:45.36 | Triceron | watching a sigaty interview with koreans. This is a pain to watch :S |
| 03:46.07 | Triceron | gotta wait for translations to happen between each question/answer |
| 03:46.19 | Vindicator | alliance rap incoming lol omg |
| 03:55.39 | progammer | carbot uploaded his videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iY_olSZ1Lw |
| 03:57.11 | Ahli | ohh is the person in a deadpool costume not able to ask his question? :S |
| 04:06.36 | Ahli | they have the goal to provide a map editor with heroes... |
| 04:16.58 | progammer | new vid |
| 04:16.59 | progammer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agRZX4RPRw4&feature=youtu.be |
| 04:17.03 | progammer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_WMy81dBJc&feature=youtu.be |
| 04:17.19 | progammer | that's all we have for hots today |
| 04:17.33 | Ahli | hmmm, I can make interfaces for heroes, too ;D |
| 04:30.53 | MoonEater916 | is it possible to have an effect fire off when a unit takes damage? |
| 04:31.07 | MoonEater916 | via sata |
| 04:31.10 | MoonEater916 | data |
| 04:33.05 | Ahli | buff behavior -> damage response |
| 04:35.59 | MoonEater916 | haha |
| 04:36.05 | MoonEater916 | forget about that |
| 04:36.08 | MoonEater916 | its kinda obscure |
| 04:39.38 | progammer | all videos are up http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/59278-blizzcon-2013-information-thread/#posts |
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| 05:48.36 | Bommes | oh sick, thx progammer |
| 05:50.33 | Otixa | punches Bommes |
| 05:53.29 | Ahli | punch harder |
| 05:53.47 | Otixa | Can't wait till monday :D |
| 05:53.54 | Otixa | Gonna try tdcs |
| 05:53.55 | Otixa | :> |
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| 05:56.49 | Bounty | Pew :) |
| 05:57.44 | Bounty | So, I required someones input on a certain set of circumstances that I would like to have evaluated :) |
| 05:58.12 | Bounty | In that, I present the circumstances/scenarios and you provide what you would believe |
| 05:59.07 | progammer | who who do i punch ? |
| 05:59.34 | Bounty | nobody, I just really need some outside input so I don't I can get some perspective lol |
| 05:59.39 | Bounty | >.< |
| 05:59.54 | progammer | oh you just joined lol |
| 06:01.24 | progammer | was talking about smt before |
| 06:01.53 | Bounty | lol well as usual what I would like evaluated likely has nothing to do with what was previously being discussed |
| 06:08.46 | Bounty | Basically here's the situation. The most distant person in my family, in that he pretty much vanished from all family contact with the exception of certain funerals is a member of the US Air force and also the same person that told me aliens were living in Nevada,he said this with a straight face. |
| 06:08.58 | Bounty | He has been in the airforce for like 30 years |
| 06:09.11 | Ahli | bounty, 3 of your maps were inside videos on blizzcon |
| 06:09.41 | Bounty | what? |
| 06:09.55 | Ahli | they had videos to hype arcade |
| 06:10.01 | Bounty | link ? |
| 06:10.18 | Ahli | ask progammer .D |
| 06:10.30 | Bounty | progammer |
| 06:10.32 | Bounty | asking you |
| 06:10.33 | Ahli | that colorfull photon discs, that gnolls map and hauntest forest I believe |
| 06:10.34 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:10.46 | Ahli | there were 2 videos about arcade in total... |
| 06:11.06 | progammer | ya just like the arcade highlight video |
| 06:11.10 | progammer | that show many maps together |
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| 06:12.06 | Bounty | So its like 1 second highlights |
| 06:12.09 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:12.33 | Ahli | yes, just a hype video, no big scenes in it ^^ |
| 06:12.44 | Bounty | So... |
| 06:12.55 | Bounty | what emotions should I feel towards this? haha |
| 06:13.30 | progammer | whatever you were feeling before |
| 06:13.40 | Ahli | also, arcade is going to be free for everyone |
| 06:13.55 | Bounty | any mention of monetization? |
| 06:14.26 | progammer | not yet, read my thread bounty http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/59278-blizzcon-2013-information-thread/ |
| 06:15.08 | Ahli | marketplace won't come before heroes release... they might look into the marketplace afterwards |
| 06:15.24 | Bounty | also |
| 06:15.31 | Bounty | I youtubed the trailer |
| 06:15.34 | Bounty | I did not see discs |
| 06:15.45 | Bounty | I saw Haunted Forest, Gnolls and Photon synergy |
| 06:16.05 | Bounty | I found that ironic since two of those are maps they want me to continue on lol |
| 06:29.41 | Ahli | I think I will really like nephalem rifts in D3 reaper of souls |
| 06:31.26 | Bounty | So like |
| 06:31.32 | Bounty | Should I feel insanely overwhelmed? |
| 06:31.36 | Bounty | 4 games in one trailer |
| 06:31.36 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:31.52 | Bounty | 2 of which never gained mass popularity. |
| 06:32.35 | Ahli | boss monsters with randomized abilities across the dungeon, dungeons are more randomized than right now, appearing monster types are randomized, monster density is more random in that mode... |
| 06:33.59 | Ahli | they add the flood from halo into ros |
| 06:39.08 | Bommes | gnnh |
| 06:39.12 | Bommes | I just can't get into Masters league |
| 06:39.18 | Bommes | only 2 days left until season end |
| 06:40.02 | Bommes | so annoying when I win against Masters players and get 12 points, then I lose against them and lose 18 points |
| 06:40.03 | Bommes | meanwhile I'm stuck in diamond |
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| 07:01.48 | Bounty | o0o Bommes |
| 07:01.57 | Bounty | Just the man I wanted to get his opinion on something on :) |
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| 07:26.55 | progammer | just a video most people never watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozrwfdddIvY |
| 07:27.03 | progammer | (not aimed for us) |
| 07:28.26 | Bounty | lol so I just showed the wife how like 4 of my games were in the trailer |
| 07:28.47 | Bounty | and she responds "Well they still never mentioned your name nor are they paying you... so fuck em" |
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| 07:32.52 | progammer | well you did decided to do it for free, and sign the TOS/EULA |
| 07:32.57 | progammer | so they can film your map all they want |
| 07:34.14 | Bounty | lol, I could respond to that in a few paragraphs but I won't bother |
| 07:34.47 | Bounty | I did send them an email thanking them for choosing a few of my games to feature in the trailer though. |
| 07:35.23 | Bounty | but they know I'm being paid to work with the editor now and thats why i'm not working with on any of my games at the moment |
| 07:38.19 | Bommes | man, I give up with playing SC2 |
| 07:38.27 | Bommes | time to map |
| 07:38.31 | G0A | :D |
| 07:38.56 | Bounty | Bommes, I require your opinion on something! |
| 07:39.02 | Bommes | or nap, whatever comes first |
| 07:39.06 | Bommes | go ahead |
| 07:39.24 | Bounty | This is random to most people but you will understand why I chose you lol |
| 07:39.31 | Bounty | [01:08] <Bounty> Basically here's the situation. The most distant person in my family, in that he pretty much vanished from all family contact with the exception of certain funerals is a member of the US Air force and also the same person that told me aliens were living in Nevada,he said this with a straight face. |
| 07:39.47 | Bounty | He now lives in Nevada |
| 07:39.51 | Bounty | coincidence? |
| 07:40.04 | Bommes | :O |
| 07:40.18 | Bounty | I just need to know your opinion |
| 07:40.27 | Bommes | directly your family or relatively distant? |
| 07:40.33 | Bounty | directly family |
| 07:40.35 | Bounty | my uncle |
| 07:40.42 | Bommes | do you have any known cases of schizophrenia or something along the lines in the past? |
| 07:40.46 | Bounty | He used to say multiple times to me that aliens were living in nevada lol |
| 07:40.47 | Bommes | in the family I mean |
| 07:40.49 | Bounty | nope |
| 07:40.56 | G0A | none of my map is that video, how sad is that.D |
| 07:41.00 | Bommes | hmm |
| 07:41.10 | Bounty | he only showed up to my grandfathers funeral in which he showed up in uniform |
| 07:41.20 | Bounty | I just thought it was weird, shit hit me tonight |
| 07:41.27 | Bommes | yeah I mean hard to tell what the best thing to do is in a situation like that, really depends on what his direct environment looks like etc and how much you can really do there |
| 07:41.28 | Bounty | I tried to add him on facebook but I don't think hes going to accept lol |
| 07:41.32 | Bommes | and how serious he really is about it |
| 07:41.44 | Bounty | obviously serious |
| 07:41.48 | Bommes | ^^ damn you, facebook! |
| 07:41.49 | Bounty | I dont plan to do anything |
| 07:42.00 | Bounty | For his safety |
| 07:42.02 | Bounty | obviously |
| 07:42.04 | Bounty | just in case lol |
| 07:42.11 | Bounty | but it makes sense to connect those dots right? |
| 07:42.16 | G0A | Bounty people can be very messed up, specially if they are in the army:) |
| 07:42.24 | Bounty | hes not messed up |
| 07:42.27 | Bommes | dunno |
| 07:42.29 | Bounty | he repairs aircraft |
| 07:42.33 | Bounty | not a fighter |
| 07:42.41 | Bommes | again, it's hard to tell without knowing him |
| 07:42.44 | Bommes | and how he said it |
| 07:42.59 | Bommes | so dunno :D |
| 07:43.01 | Bounty | yeah |
| 07:43.05 | Bounty | I understand |
| 07:43.11 | Bounty | This is just for me haha |
| 07:43.14 | G0A | Bounty yeah, you should know how much you know him. |
| 07:43.31 | Bounty | One of those things that you believe yourself |
| 07:43.34 | Bounty | and keep to yourself |
| 07:43.35 | Bounty | BUT |
| 07:43.43 | Bounty | I just wanted to make sure i'm not to crazy for connecting those dots |
| 07:43.45 | Bounty | >.< |
| 07:43.57 | G0A | I know very intelligent people who are messed up too... |
| 07:44.16 | Bommes | because I had a case of psychosis in my family and I just stay away from people getting too serious about anything since that |
| 07:44.21 | Bounty | He was not messed up though, he never saw actual combat |
| 07:44.26 | Bounty | airforce engineer |
| 07:44.36 | Bommes | unless they need help of some form |
| 07:44.50 | Bounty | so I know he was not messed up from combat |
| 07:45.31 | Bounty | I've just been doing lots of research on this subject recently |
| 07:45.37 | Bounty | And the connection just popped into my head |
| 07:45.37 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:45.55 | G0A | Bommes so you have case of psychosis in your famaly and you claim its genetic trait?:) |
| 07:46.02 | Bounty | Most of the evidence presented was he said she said bullshit that I don't consider evidence |
| 07:46.07 | Bommes | the tendency for something like that, yes |
| 07:46.30 | Bommes | obviously there were other risks involved, she had given birth a few month prior to that |
| 07:46.48 | Bommes | but I'd argue my family in general is pretty crazy |
| 07:47.17 | Bounty | I think the worst family trait I heard of was high cholesterol |
| 07:47.17 | Bommes | me included |
| 07:47.27 | Bounty | So, if you guys were me |
| 07:47.33 | Bounty | and you knew he was genuine |
| 07:47.36 | Bounty | what would you think |
| 07:47.45 | Bounty | Just so I get some sort of outside scope |
| 07:47.52 | Bounty | Not asking you to believe anything |
| 07:47.55 | Bounty | Just curious |
| 07:47.57 | G0A | not much, you should rely on hard evidence |
| 07:48.04 | Bounty | I agree |
| 07:48.05 | Bommes | yeah I wouldn't do much about it |
| 07:48.17 | Bounty | Not going to do anything regardless |
| 07:48.19 | Bounty | but I know |
| 07:48.22 | Bommes | let him be on his own quest :D |
| 07:48.25 | G0A | "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" |
| 07:48.27 | Bounty | from all of the witnesses coming forward recently |
| 07:48.35 | Bounty | most of which were engineers |
| 07:48.39 | Bounty | military |
| 07:48.46 | Bounty | all saying the same thing |
| 07:48.53 | Bounty | that and I've personally had this theory |
| 07:48.55 | Bounty | in that |
| 07:48.59 | Bommes | doesn't nevada also have some military bases where they test new technologies and stuff? |
| 07:49.05 | Bounty | If aliens exist, they are already here or they never will be |
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| 07:49.16 | Bounty | Not sure Bommes |
| 07:49.27 | Bounty | I know the only thing he told mt multiple times was that aliens are living in nevada |
| 07:49.34 | Bounty | no joking tone |
| 07:49.50 | Bounty | and he never just brought this shit up randomly |
| 07:50.04 | Bounty | was based on the topic obviously |
| 07:50.04 | Bommes | oh, so actually living and not that he has seen something weird or anything? |
| 07:50.17 | Bommes | did you ask how he knows or how they look like? |
| 07:50.18 | Bounty | yeah |
| 07:50.26 | Bommes | or where they live |
| 07:50.28 | Bounty | no, I was in my teens lol |
| 07:50.39 | Bommes | ah okay |
| 07:50.40 | Bounty | I just sort of laughed it off |
| 07:50.49 | G0A | Bounty I just dont really see why should aliens be contact with military in a planet, which is far less advanced as they are. |
| 07:50.52 | Bommes | thought it happened recently |
| 07:50.56 | Bommes | was kinda confused the whole time :D |
| 07:51.01 | Bounty | well i mean |
| 07:51.21 | Bounty | the ex canadian minister of defense came out and said 2 species are working with the government |
| 07:51.31 | Bounty | its hard to say though but |
| 07:51.33 | Bounty | Like I said |
| 07:51.35 | Bounty | to ME |
| 07:51.45 | Bounty | If they exist, they're either here or not |
| 07:51.53 | Bounty | If they can get here they are here |
| 07:51.58 | Bounty | If they can't they're not |
| 07:52.16 | G0A | Bounty I seen report with Canadian minister, he doesnt look sane. |
| 07:52.22 | Bounty | Because to me, if they can travel those distances they have much greater tech at detecting life than we do |
| 07:52.39 | Bounty | Its hard to say G0A |
| 07:53.04 | Bounty | I mean to me the best witness I ever saw was that dude from the england base |
| 07:53.39 | Bounty | here it is |
| 07:53.40 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYU_tr5K5ws |
| 07:53.43 | Bounty | this guy |
| 07:53.48 | Bounty | Something about this dude |
| 07:54.04 | G0A | Anyway, if you meet again with that guy, ask him that can aliens move me from this fucking retard planet? :) |
| 07:54.14 | Bounty | I'm not a fan of Sirius |
| 07:54.16 | Bounty | but that one guy |
| 07:54.22 | Bounty | I SERIOUSLY recommend everyone watch that sometime |
| 07:54.44 | Bounty | I wouldnt do that G0A |
| 07:54.45 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:54.52 | G0A | damm |
| 07:54.58 | G0A | worthed a try |
| 07:55.03 | Bounty | As much as I would like to think they're friendly... I doubt it |
| 07:55.39 | Bounty | I mean, do you guys believe in the ancient alien theories? |
| 07:55.45 | Bounty | Not all of them, but any? |
| 07:55.49 | G0A | none |
| 07:55.54 | Bounty | really? |
| 07:55.58 | Bounty | Why? |
| 07:56.24 | Bounty | Not that aliens built those structures but that they clearly depict aliens in their carvings. |
| 07:56.33 | G0A | I read many books on egypt civilization and on pre write civilizations. |
| 07:56.48 | Bounty | yeah, you read books |
| 07:57.00 | Bounty | but have you ever seen pictures of some of these things |
| 07:57.04 | Bounty | and made up your own mind? |
| 07:57.08 | G0A | yes I saw those pictures |
| 07:57.18 | Bounty | What was that was place called |
| 07:57.32 | Bounty | puma punku |
| 07:57.32 | G0A | did you ever meet an alien? you know how they look like? so how can you compare it? |
| 07:57.34 | Bounty | or w/e |
| 07:57.51 | Bounty | No I haven't but whats the problem with posing the question |
| 07:57.58 | G0A | I would just say that people were imaginative back then too. |
| 07:58.02 | Bounty | Why is it so far fetched to believe in it? |
| 07:58.18 | Bounty | have you seen some of the evidence? |
| 07:58.20 | Bounty | its insane |
| 07:58.38 | Bounty | That said |
| 07:58.42 | G0A | its not far fetched, but those "evidence" arent convincing at all for me. |
| 07:58.46 | Bounty | CURREN alien evidence is just people talking |
| 07:58.49 | Bounty | which like you said |
| 07:58.55 | Bounty | is useless in the end |
| 07:59.00 | Bounty | but when it comes to ancients |
| 07:59.04 | Bounty | there is evidence |
| 07:59.20 | G0A | show me the evidence |
| 07:59.25 | Bounty | will do! |
| 08:00.03 | G0A | btw the easiest evidence would be advanced metallurgy... |
| 08:00.44 | Bounty | Do you know who Giorgio Tsoukalos is? |
| 08:01.10 | Bounty | I personally was not a fan of his until I saw his actual in depth lectures |
| 08:01.33 | G0A | Bounty just note the fact that how wild can be the human imagination, like: many people who take dmt will report that they meet aliens under the trip... |
| 08:01.57 | Bounty | Yeah but that is such an insult to our ancestors. |
| 08:02.06 | Bounty | Like they were all idiots on drugs dreaming up shit |
| 08:02.10 | G0A | Bounty googled, that retard from history channel:D |
| 08:02.20 | Bounty | Yet we can't figure out how they built some of those structures |
| 08:02.23 | Bounty | yeah |
| 08:02.26 | G0A | Bounty they were |
| 08:02.26 | Bounty | I know that G0A |
| 08:02.50 | Bounty | Then I won't bother trying to show you any evidence, your mind is made up dude |
| 08:02.53 | Bounty | which is fine |
| 08:03.01 | G0A | Bounty drugs were very big element of early civilization, there wasnt any drug war back then:D |
| 08:03.12 | Bounty | Drugs are big now G0A |
| 08:03.14 | Bounty | ive done em |
| 08:03.20 | Bounty | never once did I think I met god or saw aliens |
| 08:03.22 | G0A | Bounty not as big as back then |
| 08:03.30 | Bounty | says who? |
| 08:03.53 | G0A | like weed is as big in US than opium in ancient rome... |
| 08:04.17 | Bounty | anyways, i'll link this just in case you actually want to watch it. This is a short one but it has some very good points in it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzGBo5zG1Tg |
| 08:04.34 | Bounty | But I'm going to assume your mind is made up and thats it lol |
| 08:05.05 | G0A | and if you look at central and south america civilization, you will find that their society and religion was basically based on mushroom trips... |
| 08:05.59 | Bounty | Yet they could construct structures that most people cannot figure out how they did today... yeah, make sense |
| 08:06.05 | Bounty | I've seen druggies |
| 08:06.06 | G0A | nothing is fixed in my mind, thats why you need more than some pictures of ancient imagination to convince me |
| 08:06.11 | Bounty | No way they are constructing shit like that |
| 08:06.17 | Bounty | Watch the video |
| 08:06.26 | Bounty | Its a short portion of a lecture |
| 08:06.30 | G0A | what? |
| 08:06.30 | Bounty | but I think you will find it interesting |
| 08:06.35 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzGBo5zG1Tg |
| 08:06.36 | Bounty | that |
| 08:06.44 | G0A | I will watch it |
| 08:06.50 | Bounty | If you find it interesting |
| 08:06.58 | Bounty | youtube his name and find some more of his lectures |
| 08:06.59 | G0A | you said that aliens didnt help to construct ... |
| 08:07.05 | Bounty | yeah |
| 08:07.10 | G0A | I can go into that argument |
| 08:07.17 | A1win | haha |
| 08:07.21 | Bounty | what argument? |
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| 08:07.33 | Dzuke911 | hi all |
| 08:07.42 | Bounty | I said aliens did not construct those structures |
| 08:07.46 | Bounty | what is the argument? lol |
| 08:07.55 | G0A | I seen the great pyramids and read 2 books on it... one which kind of tried to prove its not human originated. |
| 08:07.59 | A1win | go to sleep at one silly argument, wake up to another |
| 08:08.14 | Bounty | wtf are you talking about |
| 08:08.17 | Bounty | I just fucking said |
| 08:08.18 | G0A | A1win was stewof here at night?:D |
| 08:08.23 | Bounty | Aliens did not build those structures |
| 08:08.30 | Bounty | and its like you ignore that |
| 08:08.32 | Bounty | and just go off on it |
| 08:08.33 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:08.49 | Bounty | nobody said that shit |
| 08:08.51 | G0A | "BountyNo way they are constructing shit like that" |
| 08:08.59 | G0A | then I may misunderstood you |
| 08:09.04 | Bounty | unreal |
| 08:09.05 | Dzuke911 | i remember there is a trigger that making rendering better for horizontal view (not vertical). but now i cant find it. in what category it is? |
| 08:09.05 | G0A | you were refering to the video |
| 08:09.12 | Bounty | nobody takes anything into context anymore |
| 08:09.17 | Bounty | let me show you what I said |
| 08:09.19 | Bounty | [03:05] <Bounty> Yet they could construct structures that most people cannot figure out how they did today... yeah, make sense [03:05] <Bounty> I've seen druggies [03:05] <G0A> nothing is fixed in my mind, thats why you need more than some pictures of ancient imagination to convince me [03:06] <Bounty> No way they are constructing shit like that |
| 08:09.19 | A1win | no, we were arguing about whether or not the moba will be a branch of sc2 or run on it |
| 08:09.45 | Bounty | You were saying how out ancestors were all on mushrooms and drugs |
| 08:10.03 | Bounty | I replied by saying yeah that makes sense how they could all be druggies and figure out how to build those structures |
| 08:10.21 | Bounty | I apologize because I forgot sarcasm cannot be detected on the internet |
| 08:10.23 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:10.30 | G0A | I say Mayans and civilization near them at the time were mostly on mushrooms and its very well known fact... |
| 08:10.48 | A1win | Dzuke911, horizontal field of view... you can also tutn that on in map options |
| 08:10.49 | G0A | In Egypt they were on salvia |
| 08:10.56 | Bounty | So how did they cut the stones at puma punku |
| 08:11.00 | G0A | but not as much as in America |
| 08:11.09 | Bounty | and how did they move those 100 ton stones |
| 08:11.29 | G0A | Bounty ordinary worker man most like dont had the money to be high all time |
| 08:11.34 | A1win | slaves. |
| 08:11.44 | Bounty | really A1win? |
| 08:11.46 | Bounty | 100 tons? |
| 08:11.50 | G0A | there are no 100 ton stones in south America |
| 08:11.53 | Bounty | pulled by people |
| 08:11.57 | G0A | yes |
| 08:11.59 | Bounty | puma punku |
| 08:12.00 | Bounty | google it |
| 08:12.00 | A1win | sure? |
| 08:12.16 | Dzuke911 | thx A1win |
| 08:12.17 | G0A | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tls-Jli6eQE |
| 08:12.39 | Bounty | plane... |
| 08:12.43 | Bounty | let me guess, its on wheels |
| 08:13.15 | G0A | puma punku is extraordinary:) not all cities has such structures |
| 08:13.49 | Bounty | but they clearly say |
| 08:13.53 | Bounty | something happened there |
| 08:14.09 | G0A | yeah, they invented wheels |
| 08:14.20 | Bounty | lol forget it dude |
| 08:14.22 | G0A | or aliens gave them wheels |
| 08:14.26 | Bounty | I really hope shit goes down in out life time |
| 08:14.35 | Bounty | its like nobody actually looks at shit anymore |
| 08:15.26 | A1win | you sound like a creationist |
| 08:15.34 | Bounty | I can bet you $1,000 you will most likely never watch that portion of a lecture I linked. Even if you do I doubt you will actually take in what is being said. |
| 08:15.52 | Bounty | Thats fine haha |
| 08:15.53 | A1win | "can't explain, must be aliens" |
| 08:15.55 | G0A | Bounty just read about how much drugs did the Inca religious leaders taken... |
| 08:16.08 | Bounty | I never said it was aliens |
| 08:16.19 | Bounty | I said it was interesting |
| 08:16.28 | G0A | Bounty I will start to watch it, if its too much shit then I wont watch all of it |
| 08:16.30 | Bounty | I personally believe it because I think its plausible |
| 08:16.43 | Bounty | It is good stuff G0A |
| 08:16.46 | Bounty | even if you disagree |
| 08:16.49 | Bounty | consider |
| 08:16.51 | Bounty | I hated that guy |
| 08:16.55 | Bounty | because of the history channel |
| 08:17.05 | Bounty | But he is no idiot |
| 08:17.56 | G0A | Bounty I see it very plausible too, Like: if I travel light years and I actually meet an civilization, I would like to contact them no matter how advanced are them. But I never seen convincing evidence. |
| 08:18.15 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 08:18.20 | Bounty | I mean we could go in depth with this for hours |
| 08:18.22 | Bounty | and thats fine |
| 08:18.25 | G0A | Also if I contact a civilization why wouldnt I manipulate them and have fun with them... |
| 08:18.29 | Bounty | because I have no evidence, just a belief on my part |
| 08:18.31 | Bounty | BUT |
| 08:18.37 | Bounty | I think you would at least agree with this |
| 08:18.55 | Bounty | If they're out there, and if those distances are possible to travel, they're here |
| 08:19.10 | Bounty | If those distances are truly way to much... then yeah, thats it |
| 08:19.15 | Bounty | most likely never |
| 08:19.35 | Bounty | Exactly G0A |
| 08:19.52 | Bounty | That is why I am not so easy to consider aliens to be so peaceful lol |
| 08:19.58 | Bounty | Would depend on their methods of travel honestly |
| 08:20.25 | G0A | Bounty I dont agree with your conclusion. People forget that traveling without ftl takes insane time. |
| 08:20.36 | Bounty | If they had to build some sort of generation ship that was meant to travel for thousands of years and be the haven for generations of families... yeah, most likely not friendly |
| 08:20.45 | Bounty | yeah |
| 08:20.54 | Bounty | Thats what i'm saying haha |
| 08:21.01 | Bounty | If those distances |
| 08:21.12 | Bounty | Can be traversed in reasonable time |
| 08:21.15 | Bounty | They're here |
| 08:21.34 | G0A | yeah, such ship is incredible investment if you take that they live only on few planets... |
| 08:21.56 | Bounty | Thats suggesting they even use money at that point |
| 08:22.08 | Bounty | If they have discovered how to travel those distances... |
| 08:22.16 | Bounty | I doubt they even have a currency |
| 08:22.25 | Bounty | I would think they work more like ants |
| 08:22.48 | Bounty | Actually i am not sure ants are the best example |
| 08:22.52 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:23.12 | Bounty | Like, everyone is middle class working towards the greater good. |
| 08:23.21 | Bounty | make sense? |
| 08:23.42 | G0A | such society would have no interest in traveling to other stars |
| 08:23.52 | G0A | thats another problem... |
| 08:23.58 | Bounty | I don't think so |
| 08:24.03 | Bounty | Again this is just me |
| 08:24.06 | Bounty | But I think |
| 08:24.30 | Bounty | You know how most astrophysicists feel when they look up? |
| 08:24.37 | Bounty | Like, they feel connected etc |
| 08:25.00 | Bounty | Not religious or anything but I'm sure you've heard most of them say this |
| 08:25.18 | Bounty | Imagine how you would feel in terms of your connection to the universe if you got to that stage |
| 08:25.29 | Bounty | Assuming you are not hostile |
| 08:25.37 | G0A | there are just so many factor, for example if you dont have endless life, you would never see any return from traveling to other stars. If you have endless life, you probably wont want to risk your life or you have very different aims in your life..... |
| 08:25.45 | Bounty | I would think they would travel for the sake of exploring |
| 08:25.53 | Bounty | G0A |
| 08:25.56 | Bounty | we discussed that haha |
| 08:25.59 | Bounty | This is based on IF |
| 08:26.05 | Bounty | You can travel faster than light |
| 08:26.10 | Bounty | by some other means |
| 08:26.22 | Bounty | We have our theories, wormholes etc |
| 08:26.23 | G0A | well I dont see ftl possible |
| 08:26.31 | Bounty | Of course, you're human lol |
| 08:26.37 | Bounty | Thats the problem |
| 08:26.47 | Bounty | with both of us in this discussion haha |
| 08:26.49 | G0A | if ftl would be reasonably possible I think the universe would be already ruled by 1 species... |
| 08:27.20 | Bounty | Thats assuming everything else are as evil as us |
| 08:27.31 | Bounty | I think thats our biggest problem |
| 08:27.34 | Bounty | Thinking that we're the norm |
| 08:27.48 | Bounty | Again, this is just me but I don't think we're the norm at all |
| 08:28.27 | G0A | BountyYou know how most astrophysicists feel when they look up? |
| 08:28.28 | G0A | BountyLike, they feel connected etc |
| 08:28.37 | G0A | who are you quoting? |
| 08:29.40 | Bounty | I know Neil has said that multiple times with a few others who have appeared on TV |
| 08:29.47 | G0A | yeah they might not be evil, but I will still see ftl as "blessing", it just has so many positive things... |
| 08:29.51 | Bounty | Because of the Star Dust theory |
| 08:30.01 | Bounty | About how we're all made from "star dust" |
| 08:30.08 | Bounty | also |
| 08:30.11 | Bounty | interesting note |
| 08:30.14 | G0A | Neil Armstrong? |
| 08:30.16 | Bounty | a species so hostile |
| 08:30.26 | Bounty | I would think they would wipe themselves out before making it to that point |
| 08:30.34 | G0A | star dust is from Carl Sagan as I know |
| 08:30.44 | Bounty | a peaceful species would advance much further than a hostile one |
| 08:30.45 | Bounty | yeah |
| 08:30.49 | Bounty | he was the first to say it |
| 08:30.50 | G0A | and he is always mis represented for it.... |
| 08:30.52 | Bounty | I guess it caught on |
| 08:31.09 | Bounty | how? its a beautiful thing? |
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| 08:35.37 | G0A | star dust is about that we are governed by the same laws and origin. It doesnt say what is good or bad and very advanced civilization will most likely will go away from "feelings".... |
| 08:35.39 | progammer | done with all the update and catching up on panels. Have fun with aliens guys |
| 08:35.46 | progammer | night |
| 08:35.49 | Bounty | lol progammer |
| 08:35.51 | Bounty | night |
| 08:35.55 | G0A | gn |
| 08:35.56 | G0A | :) |
| 08:36.25 | Bounty | Star Dust is just about how we came to be |
| 08:36.39 | Bounty | Thats what I got from it |
| 08:37.15 | Bounty | To me, Carl said it because people always run to god or some mythical figure to feel connected and purpose when really all you had to do was look at something like the sun. |
| 08:38.31 | Bounty | Carl was also a bit of a hippie in terms of how he felt about aliens |
| 08:38.32 | G0A | yeah, he kind of said it for the religious audience:) (btw Carl took drugs too, though he never really admitted it) |
| 08:38.40 | Bounty | Pretty much gave our address to the universe |
| 08:38.41 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:38.50 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 08:38.54 | Bounty | Most people have G0A |
| 08:39.01 | Bounty | Drugs do not affect your intelligence |
| 08:39.10 | Bounty | Pot does not make people stupid imo |
| 08:39.32 | Bounty | I personally never enjoyed pot but I've seen both moron pot heads and very intelligent ones |
| 08:39.54 | G0A | most drug used in addictive way are bad and do effect your brain... |
| 08:39.57 | Bounty | Pot always turned me into a mute lol |
| 08:40.08 | Bounty | Depends on the drug |
| 08:40.20 | Bounty | I've seen some hardcore potheads that are very smart |
| 08:40.35 | G0A | yeah most people hate pot because it can make you anti social unlike alcohol for example:D |
| 08:40.45 | Bounty | agreed |
| 08:40.47 | Bounty | ironically |
| 08:40.51 | Bounty | guess what my drug of choice is? haha |
| 08:40.56 | Bounty | >.< |
| 08:41.16 | Bounty | It is interesting though, certain people become more social via pot |
| 08:41.33 | G0A | I seen hardcore pot head who are very smart and stopped taking pot everyday because it made him less productive.... |
| 08:41.38 | Bounty | I personally just became a mute who sat on the couch debating to himself whether to get up to go to the bathroom or not for 2 hours. |
| 08:41.57 | Bounty | Did not enjoy that |
| 08:42.08 | Bounty | Depends on your job really |
| 08:42.28 | Bounty | Then again, I never did pot to assist me |
| 08:42.33 | Bounty | because of how it affected me |
| 08:42.44 | Bounty | Alcohol on the other hand, helps me in the creative process |
| 08:42.54 | G0A | Bounty btw it depends lot on pot too. If its Sativa or Indica. One makes you relax and the other high. |
| 08:42.58 | Bounty | NOT the execution though haha |
| 08:43.10 | Bounty | no idea what that is G0A haha |
| 08:43.15 | Bounty | Never got into it >.< |
| 08:43.44 | Bounty | I only do drugs that bring down barriers within my personality |
| 08:43.53 | Bounty | make sense? |
| 08:44.13 | G0A | yeah, I dont really like those drugs |
| 08:44.19 | Bounty | Talking about Alcohol |
| 08:44.27 | Bounty | I don't do anything else anymore |
| 08:44.30 | Bounty | I'm beyond that point |
| 08:44.32 | G0A | :) |
| 08:44.46 | Bounty | Beyond a certain point... to me there is an age limit lol |
| 08:44.53 | Bounty | I'm 28 now, I had my fun |
| 08:44.57 | G0A | me too, I max smoke pot every 2 week... |
| 08:45.09 | Bounty | Wife and I drink every weekend |
| 08:45.14 | Bounty | no bars |
| 08:45.19 | Bounty | just sit at home and have a few drinks |
| 08:45.24 | G0A | And I no longer drink alcohol in high density.) |
| 08:45.32 | Bounty | same |
| 08:45.35 | Bounty | fuck that shit |
| 08:45.45 | Bounty | I'm only 28 and even now, hangovers are to much |
| 08:46.00 | G0A | http://www.theweedblog.com/the-difference-between-indica-and-sativa-marijuana-plants/ |
| 08:46.05 | Bounty | that and I do not enjoy becoming so intoxicated that I become someone else |
| 08:46.33 | G0A | I hate Indica weed but love Sativa... |
| 08:46.45 | Bounty | There was a study, you could probably google it. Basically what it showed that being buzzed or mildly drunk allowed you to become your true self |
| 08:46.52 | Bounty | Basically |
| 08:47.08 | Bounty | all those thoughts you have that you think to yourself "Man I should not say that" you say and think it more |
| 08:47.09 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:47.14 | Bounty | Thats why I like alcohol |
| 08:47.18 | Bounty | BUT |
| 08:47.29 | Bounty | when you get shitfaced... you are NOT yourself at all |
| 08:47.37 | Bounty | reading that link now |
| 08:48.21 | Bounty | indica seems to be more of a medical pot |
| 08:48.29 | Bounty | based on the list of effects |
| 08:48.45 | G0A | yes |
| 08:49.04 | Bounty | I can see why you would prefer Sativa |
| 08:49.06 | Bounty | >.< |
| 08:49.24 | G0A | Btw its all about thc and canabinoids ratio |
| 08:50.01 | Bounty | I love how your getting all in depth pot head scientist on me now |
| 08:50.05 | Bounty | love it :) |
| 08:50.53 | G0A | its good to know the shit you take |
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| 08:54.56 | G0A | Btw fun fact: probably the biggest mathematician was a heavy amphetamine addict (Paul Erd?s), while England attacked Egypt partially because the president (Anthony Eden) was addicted to amphetamine. |
| 08:56.24 | G0A | drugs... making the world interesting:) |
| 08:56.39 | Bounty | funny though |
| 08:56.56 | Bounty | how all these smart people took drugs yet we accuse our ancestors of being idiots for the same reason |
| 08:58.37 | A1win | I'm sure those people were considered smart at that time ;p |
| 08:59.11 | Bounty | Hey, I guess we'll all know the truth sooner or later |
| 08:59.12 | Bounty | >.< |
| 08:59.35 | Bounty | I'm just glad I asked the questions! :) |
| 09:01.58 | G0A | Well without trust Inca's religious leaders would have never made human sacrifices, even though they communicated with their gods with mushrooms... |
| 09:02.50 | Bounty | I take it your watching the video? Just keep watching lol |
| 09:10.06 | G0A | watching and mapping.. |
| 09:25.07 | Bounty | >.< |
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| 09:46.01 | G0A | Watched it, well it wasnt very informative, he didnt say much about current theories and alternatives. For example, there are some proof that in egypt they used sand with simple woods to carve granite stones, that can be very effective and pricies. |
| 09:46.24 | G0A | precise* |
| 09:46.26 | Bounty | lol? |
| 09:46.40 | Bounty | How did they get those drill holes and remove those two blocks? |
| 09:46.48 | G0A | also you can move that big stones with wood... |
| 09:46.58 | Bounty | try it |
| 09:47.07 | Bounty | scale it down |
| 09:47.12 | Bounty | and try it |
| 09:48.07 | G0A | yeah that drilling is quite interesting. But that doesnt says it must be aliens, for example it could have happened later... there are some example for that... |
| 09:48.24 | Bounty | Just posing the questions brah :) |
| 09:48.50 | Bounty | Until we find the tools, thats what I think happened. I am also basing this on what they wrote |
| 09:49.10 | Bounty | It is interesting to think though |
| 09:49.15 | G0A | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYQBDhkBfr0 |
| 09:49.20 | Bounty | What would be more startling |
| 09:49.26 | Bounty | Aliens or knowing they were that advanced |
| 09:49.45 | Bounty | watching this atm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlz_REUbWtY |
| 09:49.49 | Bounty | will watch that next lol |
| 09:49.53 | G0A | thats just one example, but there are many similar projects which succeed moving huge rock... |
| 09:51.02 | Bounty | lol how the fuck did he lift the stones... |
| 09:51.07 | Bounty | and a house... |
| 09:51.15 | Bounty | to get the stuff under it |
| 09:51.37 | G0A | also dont forget that Puma Punku and nearby civilizations had millions of population.... |
| 09:51.46 | Bounty | Yeah, I know |
| 09:51.57 | G0A | by digging... |
| 09:52.02 | Bounty | Well I mean thats what they say |
| 09:52.07 | Bounty | not sure how we can know their population |
| 09:52.41 | G0A | I think they mostly interpret it from city size and battles... |
| 09:52.52 | G0A | but dont know |
| 09:53.55 | Bounty | wait so |
| 09:54.01 | Bounty | how did he get the top block on |
| 09:54.07 | Bounty | I don't give a shit about standing blocks up |
| 09:54.09 | Bounty | thats all they show |
| 09:54.11 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:54.11 | G0A | they move stones in this documentary too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkze3WUvHz4 |
| 09:54.25 | G0A | http://youtu.be/qkze3WUvHz4?t=10m14s |
| 09:54.28 | G0A | quite nice |
| 09:55.00 | G0A | Dam I miss Nova documentaries |
| 09:56.05 | Bounty | I'm not disputing those locations though |
| 09:56.25 | Bounty | I could see how that could be done but those stones are much smaller |
| 09:57.08 | G0A | they could have much more people and more complex system with wood.... |
| 09:57.47 | G0A | there is craving too http://youtu.be/qkze3WUvHz4?t=15m57s |
| 09:58.00 | Bounty | watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkhnTP5Fs4o |
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| 09:59.42 | G0A | Bounty nothing is in that video, the same "drilled" rock |
| 09:59.54 | Bounty | watch the whole thing derp |
| 09:59.55 | Bounty | lol |
| 10:00.59 | G0A | so whats the problem it |
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| 10:01.23 | Bounty | watch the whole damn thing haha |
| 10:01.30 | Bounty | I started it just as I linked ited... |
| 10:01.38 | Bounty | no way you even watched a majority of it >.< |
| 10:02.11 | G0A | that rock could have craved like that recently btw... specially that both video you linked so far shows the same rock so I guess there is no other such example |
| 10:02.29 | G0A | yeah I forwarded in it |
| 10:03.05 | G0A | its quite easy to make precise measurement tools for distance and angle. |
| 10:04.07 | G0A | you only need to do it once and you can use wood. Then if you want it to be flat, you can use water. For angle you can use some advanced geometry... |
| 10:04.45 | G0A | but yeah, angle looks puzzling |
| 10:05.01 | Bounty | yeah lol |
| 10:05.03 | Bounty | shits crazy |
| 10:05.08 | G0A | not really |
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| 10:05.50 | G0A | if they cut identical long wood, they can do angle pretty easily now that I think of... |
| 10:06.08 | G0A | they wont need any advanced geometry, just bit sample |
| 10:06.12 | G0A | big* |
| 10:06.16 | Bounty | I guess it really comes down to the drill holes |
| 10:07.38 | G0A | nothing impossible about that too |
| 10:07.48 | G0A | but certainly time consuming |
| 10:09.01 | G0A | btw I would drill such holes to break the stone in line by using pressure. Puzzling why no one mentions that, because that would require lots of pressure. |
| 10:10.06 | G0A | duckies I am making spell damage upgrade to show up on spell's tooltip, so are the shadows gone? |
| 10:10.37 | duckies | yes, I blew them up and they ragequit the game! |
| 10:12.21 | duckies | I also added a widowmine model, and with it, my yearly quota of work on bomber is done =D |
| 10:12.42 | G0A | nice.D |
| 10:12.47 | G0A | more models are good |
| 10:13.05 | G0A | wtb new map?:D |
| 10:15.48 | duckies | hm? |
| 10:16.13 | duckies | what does "wtb" staaaandsss foooooor? D= |
| 10:18.31 | G0A | what about |
| 10:18.41 | G0A | but nobody uses it like that |
| 10:19.04 | G0A | It was a tradition in game that used to play... |
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| 10:20.37 | G0A | actually wow destroyed by using it for "Want to buy". |
| 10:20.43 | G0A | it |
| 10:21.46 | duckies | I see, that shameless wow, destroying legacy =( |
| 10:23.52 | G0A | yea |
| 10:24.13 | duckies | new map, I don't know, nothing in hots really caught my eye :/ |
| 10:24.14 | Zolden | what music sounds in the end of carbot hots thing? |
| 10:25.34 | G0A | hmm free arcade means that we need to protect banks more:( |
| 10:26.52 | duckies | yea, we migh face more security violators than before :/ |
| 10:29.12 | Zolden | isn't obfuscating map with the obfuscator fixes bank security problem? |
| 10:29.28 | Zolden | who would ever understand that shit obfuscator turns the code into? |
| 10:29.52 | Zolden | oh, btw, haven't anything been said about server side banks in 2.1? |
| 10:31.35 | G0A | what obfuscator? |
| 10:32.08 | G0A | which makes the code bunch of Il ?:D |
| 10:32.34 | Zolden | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/galaxy-obfuscator/ |
| 10:33.08 | G0A | yeah |
| 10:34.01 | G0A | well I dont think it protects much against a guy who knows what is he doing. |
| 10:34.32 | Zolden | it helps against some hacking technics |
| 10:34.59 | G0A | what you should do is hash and obduscate the hash code. (and also make silly the code itself :) |
| 10:35.18 | Zolden | yea, this too |
| 10:35.25 | G0A | though I only make the hash and silly part:D |
| 10:38.03 | G0A | double win http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/kidney-donor-marries-organ-recipient-article-1.1495474 |
| 10:42.26 | Zolden | scientists making huge steps in turning normal cells to stem cells. Soon it will be possible to spit in robot and it will give you back one of your organs i a few months |
| 10:42.52 | Zolden | so, no more organ whores will be possible |
| 10:42.58 | Zolden | *needed |
| 10:45.06 | G0A | yeah, I think there is a serious chance that the only way I will day in the future is by accident as at this rate of progress, I might be able to replace everything in my body. |
| 10:45.22 | G0A | die instead of day* :D |
| 10:46.20 | G0A | nice to think about that:) |
| 10:46.42 | G0A | and the following over population... |
| 10:47.43 | Zolden | to solve the problem of death is harder then to solve the problem of overpopulating |
| 10:47.57 | Zolden | also, even not so immortal people usually refuse to have children |
| 10:48.28 | Zolden | *than |
| 10:49.39 | G0A | I think the opposite |
| 10:50.04 | G0A | though replacing brain cells will be tricky.) |
| 10:50.32 | Zolden | maybe they will find ways to replace them with electronics |
| 10:50.39 | Zolden | neurons are complicated as shit |
| 10:51.09 | G0A | I think first they will replace it, it seems easier |
| 10:52.48 | G0A | what we need a virus which can modify dna and rna and with that making brain cell life time longer... |
| 10:53.06 | Zolden | good idea |
| 10:53.30 | Zolden | viruses are our little friends |
| 10:53.54 | G0A | yeah |
| 10:54.08 | Zolden | they have been evolving all this time with us, helping us, directing the evolution |
| 10:54.26 | Zolden | and now they are perfet instruments to interact with cells |
| 10:55.03 | Zolden | we have immunity though, it's not that friendly |
| 10:57.22 | Zolden | btw, 9th day of map balancing |
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| 10:57.57 | G0A | hmm we make brain decay very slow and we sovle all other health issues and they young will be smart and the very old very stupid because the decay. Dammit this is fucking nice scifi story to build on :) |
| 10:58.12 | G0A | what map balancing? |
| 10:59.15 | Zolden | actually with some measures of stimulating brain blood transporting system and brain training we can avoid decaying |
| 10:59.50 | Zolden | you heard about my scquad td based map, and it requires brecise balance to be fun, and i'm balancing it for 9 days so far, and it's still not finished |
| 11:02.08 | G0A | did you make some kind of data table for it to compare stats?:) |
| 11:02.58 | Zolden | kinda |
| 11:03.40 | Zolden | alot of A4 sheets surrounding me, all blue out of scrapped and edited numbers |
| 11:06.14 | Zolden | there was an experiment where one group of students that had equal IQ test results were jogging for 20 minutes every day during a months or two, and another group wasn't. And then they had IQ tests which showed the jogging group like 10+ points higher. And it was explained like jogging affected their circulatory system |
| 11:12.23 | Zolden | my favorite russian composer writing a sci-fi symphony http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-5EbEyr7go |
| 11:12.32 | Zolden | it's the first part |
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| 12:50.08 | G0A | Zolden dam I should start jogging:D |
| 12:51.34 | G0A | though I use sauna and work out the gym, but I hate aerobic exercises |
| 12:53.21 | G0A | dammit Zolden that music really has sci-fi feeling. |
| 12:53.50 | Zolden | I think any body movement positively affect blood circulation |
| 12:54.04 | Zolden | even banging someone in tha butt |
| 12:54.14 | kingTD | hmm Zolden the glol |
| 12:54.22 | kingTD | jkh |
| 12:54.31 | Stewox | so who's been watching blizzcons and esports last night |
| 12:54.37 | Stewox | or more accurately this night |
| 12:55.00 | G0A | Zolden actually if I am right you have erection at night cause its a healthy blood circulation while you sleep. |
| 12:55.23 | G0A | Stewox Free Arcade |
| 12:56.00 | Stewox | here's a snapshot of a moment from my side :p http://i.imgur.com/kCB9ccu.jpg |
| 12:56.04 | Stewox | busy day |
| 12:56.17 | Stewox | trying to watch 3 streams at the same time :D |
| 12:56.30 | G0A | you need more monitors |
| 12:57.21 | Zolden | not sure about the erection, but brain 2x times increases blood and lympha circulation in brain during sleep, because at day it can't clean all that shit neurons produce |
| 12:58.10 | G0A | didnt know that, it must be related |
| 12:59.18 | Zolden | it was recently discovered |
| 13:00.05 | Stewox | we were warning this all the time http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/11/07/207909/analysis-tens-of-millions-could.html |
| 13:00.07 | G0A | This is similar to your Russian composer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnCQaamfRY8 I probably shown it before |
| 13:00.40 | Zolden | sounds good at start |
| 13:00.46 | Zolden | hope he will change the tonic |
| 13:01.07 | G0A | Stewox it must be the elit aliens who force us universal healthcare. (Anyway Obamacare is a total failure) |
| 13:01.12 | Zolden | oh, he does |
| 13:06.47 | G0A | hmm Arcade is free that means I can have more accounts and finally I can have more than 20 maps uploaded. yay:D |
| 13:08.29 | G0A | Dammit Japaneses preceded me with this idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ONFnwt_gAI |
| 13:10.37 | kingTD | arcade free but doesnt mean that they will host your map with free acc?: |
| 13:11.03 | G0A | hmm |
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| 13:11.19 | G0A | I will make free bots and make my map popular:D |
| 13:11.43 | kingTD | well |
| 13:11.53 | kingTD | afk bots? |
| 13:13.43 | G0A | yes |
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| 13:23.25 | G0A | I fucking cant believe people can make up this many shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ONFnwt_gAI |
| 13:25.49 | Zolden | I think no one ever stated that adam and eve didn't use vagina to bang each other |
| 13:30.46 | G0A | thats all okey, but they gone a bit further:D |
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| 14:05.35 | Kles | how do I stop the cursor from freaking out in the editor? |
| 14:05.45 | G0A | ehh |
| 14:05.46 | Kles | like, it flickers between the editor's custom cursor and the default windows controller |
| 14:06.08 | G0A | in terrain editor? |
| 14:06.11 | Kles | yeah |
| 14:06.25 | G0A | well I never had problem with it |
| 14:06.31 | duckies | :o I never noticed editor has a cutom cursor =D |
| 14:06.32 | Zolden | me either |
| 14:06.50 | Kles | hm :x |
| 14:07.09 | Kles | also a bit of a dumb question but how do I rotate guys :S |
| 14:07.12 | Kles | placed units I mean |
| 14:07.27 | Kles | oh you gotta click waaay off to the side |
| 14:10.11 | G0A | ? |
| 14:10.15 | Tolkfan | every blizzcon panel is already uploaded to youtube... except for the Heroes panel :[ |
| 14:10.17 | G0A | use shortcuts |
| 14:10.28 | G0A | ; and . if I remember correctly |
| 14:10.39 | Tolkfan | ctrl + mouse drag rotates selected units |
| 14:13.12 | Tolkfan | ugh... where is the checkbox that allows a unit to shoot while moving? |
| 14:16.44 | Tolkfan | found it... it wasn't a checkbox... I swear it was a checkbox like a year ago :P |
| 14:18.02 | Zolden | it's a checkbox in abils |
| 14:20.17 | Tolkfan | really? I found a "Weapon: Allowed Movement" field in the weapon and it works too |
| 14:21.11 | Tolkfan | I'm trying to make a tank move more like.. a tank. Only thing I can't figure out is backward movement. |
| 14:21.18 | Tolkfan | think company of heroes tanks |
| 14:29.48 | Zolden | it may be solved probably via model's anims |
| 14:29.59 | Zolden | like colossus |
| 14:33.31 | Zolden | kingTD guess what |
| 14:33.39 | kingTD | dont care |
| 14:33.56 | Zolden | ok ;/ |
| 14:36.06 | kingTD | L( |
| 14:37.02 | Dustin | Holaa |
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| 14:47.53 | Froggy | 0.0 |
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| 15:08.18 | Kles | I wonder if the 2.1 patch will allow starter users to also test their documents |
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| 15:20.35 | Dustin | Probably Kles as Arcade and custom games will be free |
| 15:20.41 | Kles | right |
| 15:20.51 | Kles | I can't even test stuff right now which kinda demotivates you... |
| 15:20.55 | Dustin | I would think that they would be restricted from publishing |
| 15:21.04 | Dustin | but could test their maps and save |
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| 16:11.50 | Ahli | I want their diablo modell.... now |
| 16:17.12 | Zolden | Tolkfan can you link blizzcon panels on youtube you mentioned? |
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| 16:40.35 | Tolkfan | http://www.youtube.com/results?search_sort=video_date_uploaded&filters=long%2C+today&search_query=blizzcon&page=1 I just browse that list :P |
| 16:41.00 | Tolkfan | currently watching wow panel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqPDNZIU7v4 |
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| 16:42.59 | progammer | metzen really dig that red shirt guy |
| 16:47.05 | Zolden | thanks |
| 16:51.54 | progammer | youtube really went retarded, not only you must comments with a google + profile, coments on your video is now on your google + instead |
| 16:58.02 | G0A | agreed |
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| 17:01.11 | G0A | I guess they did it because google+ is becoming a failure. |
| 17:03.58 | progammer | they closed other failure before, like wave and reader. But i guess yoou can |
| 17:04.07 | progammer | you can't let google + go |
| 17:04.34 | Vindicator | yeah, i think they've been wanting to do this comment bs ever since they wanted everyone to change their name to their real name |
| 17:04.55 | progammer | its still nagging me every week lol |
| 17:04.59 | Vindicator | i've never liked it. i don't want people to know who i am necessarily. it's a breach of privacy |
| 17:05.46 | Vindicator | it's one thing to have a public profile, it's another to have everyone viewing your opinions to know who you are. trolls who disagree with you can find you know etc. |
| 17:05.55 | Vindicator | *now |
| 17:08.14 | progammer | they want to reduce shit on comments, but like the real id thing, it never goes well. |
| 17:08.24 | progammer | At least blizz stepped away from it |
| 17:08.52 | Zolden | yea, youtube did a gay thing |
| 17:09.14 | Vindicator | i don't even think google's stuff compares to blizzard's in this comparison at least. random people don't have access to your name without your consent on b.net. not the case on google |
| 17:09.37 | Vindicator | you have the choice on b.net. you have less and less choice on google it seems over time |
| 17:09.59 | progammer | someone gotta make the newtube than |
| 17:10.05 | Vindicator | lol |
| 17:10.28 | Vindicator | not to be confused with newdtube |
| 17:13.53 | Ahli | "Please upgrade to full version of StarCraft"... I hate that message |
| 17:18.26 | Vindicator | bbl |
| 17:20.34 | Ahli | nobody got an idea how to make equipment icons align to the left side? it would be awesome, if I had a way to do this right now :D |
| 17:24.42 | Zolden | when you get "Please upgrade to full version of StarCraft" message? |
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| 17:27.19 | Delphinium | I find a really cool way to use sc2 particles |
| 17:28.01 | Zolden | Delphinium describe pls |
| 17:28.17 | Delphinium | 1 sec |
| 17:28.41 | Delphinium | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/44/948/123131231.gif |
| 17:29.16 | Delphinium | It's a particle, but do looks like a cloud channel in some nightmares |
| 17:30.39 | Zolden | Delphinium yea |
| 17:31.15 | Zolden | I planned to maka na illusion of flying on a spaceship through a space with stars flying back |
| 17:31.19 | Zolden | same effect |
| 17:32.02 | Zolden | it can even look like a three dimentional space because particles will move with different speeds |
| 17:33.08 | Zolden | just need a way to reduce speed of all particles, to imitate braking, before landing on a planet |
| 17:33.50 | Delphinium | the SC2forces can do this |
| 17:34.13 | Zolden | force can reduce particle speed? interesting |
| 17:34.15 | Zolden | i'll check |
| 17:34.23 | Delphinium | or use a bone to control the emitter |
| 17:34.40 | Zolden | spiralling particles around a line is also force-made? |
| 17:40.20 | Delphinium | I think that's possible, but it's not the first choice. |
| 17:41.02 | Delphinium | the emitter which linked to a moving bone or dummy is a better way. |
| 17:44.47 | Zolden | you mean, move the emitter back to add this speed to particles and therefore slower them down? |
| 17:48.38 | Delphinium | Yea, that's one way, the other is forcing the particles move speed relay on the bones |
| 17:48.54 | Delphinium | on fill the checkbox "world space" |
| 17:55.51 | Dustin | Soo did they ever expand on which wc3 hero models they are porting |
| 17:55.59 | Dustin | Cause it sounds like they arnet doing that many |
| 17:56.32 | Zolden | Delphinium ok, i see |
| 18:00.25 | kingTD | Zolden so ur map ready to playtest? |
| 18:01.54 | Zolden | kingTD why you ask, you don't even care! |
| 18:02.17 | progammer | Sixen's interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYMD2AaDEYM |
| 18:02.19 | kingTD | zolden dont be a bitch :( tell me you cry baby how its going |
| 18:03.56 | Zolden | ok, I only finished a first iteraion of balancing, and now till do other things, and there are alot to do before I'll upload the map |
| 18:04.05 | Zolden | 3 days to a week |
| 18:04.39 | Zolden | so, maybe next week's map night will have a new map to test |
| 18:05.51 | Zolden | but it's nothing relatively to what is yet done during the 7 monthes I spent on this map |
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| 18:22.25 | Bommes | hope someone will upload the heroes of the storm match that they will play today to youtube |
| 18:22.37 | Triceron | ^ |
| 18:27.05 | Bommes | artosis vs trump on hearthstone stream right now |
| 18:30.31 | progammer | i'll try to. dependso n how long that is |
| 18:46.09 | Triceron | Is there a high amount of luck involved with Hearthstone? |
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| 18:46.18 | Bommes | mmh |
| 18:46.29 | progammer | i dont like that game, just my personal opinion |
| 18:46.38 | Bommes | it's pretty random, but that also depends on how well you built your d eck |
| 18:46.51 | progammer | even though im used to be a huge yu gi oh |
| 18:46.53 | Triceron | I can't really wrap my head around the meta on tcgs really |
| 18:46.56 | Kueken | Triceron: its a card game, and thus inherently random :D |
| 18:47.03 | Triceron | I can understand poker |
| 18:47.14 | Triceron | cuz there's an element of bluffing |
| 18:47.23 | Kueken | a little less that MTG maybe, since you only have 30 card decks |
| 18:47.38 | Triceron | what size are HS decks? |
| 18:47.45 | Ahli | it's mostly deterministic what you need to do with the cards you receive |
| 18:47.54 | Kueken | and unlike MTG you cannot get mana-screwed and you can replace individual cards in the starting hand |
| 18:47.54 | Ahli | 30 cards |
| 18:48.08 | Ahli | so, the strategy is building a deck... |
| 18:48.12 | Triceron | oh |
| 18:48.17 | Triceron | MTG is much higher? |
| 18:48.27 | Kueken | 50 or 60, I think? |
| 18:48.35 | Kueken | not sure |
| 18:48.38 | Ahli | it's rare that you use up all 30 cards in a game |
| 18:48.55 | Kueken | the arena mode for HS seemed pretty interesting |
| 18:49.20 | Triceron | well MTG includes resources in the cards, so it comes out about the same no? |
| 18:50.01 | Kueken | yeah, but you don't draw 2 per turn or something |
| 18:50.29 | Kueken | so you don't go through your deck as fast from drawing alone |
| 18:50.35 | Triceron | ahh |
| 18:52.04 | Ahli | there are cards that let you draw more cards, though... |
| 18:52.14 | Kueken | I also enjoy Yugioh as far as card games are concerned, even though the speed of the duels is a little ridiculous atm |
| 18:53.06 | Ahli | slow or fast? |
| 18:53.19 | Kueken | fast |
| 18:53.38 | Kueken | 2 or 3 turns per player is nothing unusual |
| 18:54.03 | Kueken | with a little luck you can kill the opponent on your first turn without him being able to play anything |
| 18:54.13 | Kueken | which is a little stupid |
| 18:54.46 | Kueken | however the crazy interactions and combinations you can pull off are pretty cool :D |
| 18:57.16 | Kueken | also it has like 6k+ cards |
| 18:57.42 | Kueken | not sure how many MTG has, but Hearthstone definitely doesn't have more than a couple hundred |
| 18:58.13 | Ahli | man, they know all the names from their head, do they? :X |
| 18:59.14 | Triceron | I have no clue whats going on, but it's kinda fun to watch |
| 19:02.43 | A1win | mtg has like 20-30k cards |
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| 19:02.55 | tordy | go kripp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:07.33 | Kueken | TB always sounds like he likes the sound of his own voice too much :D |
| 19:08.40 | tordy | never have i been so psyched to see a nerd get on stage |
| 19:09.03 | tordy | i just wanna see him out of his house |
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| 19:12.54 | Kueken | you want to see if he has legs :D |
| 19:13.27 | Ahli | kripp? kripparian isn't playing atm |
| 19:13.33 | Ahli | it's artosis vs trump |
| 19:14.12 | tordy | kripp has very nice long legs |
| 19:16.53 | Triceron | Go Artosis! |
| 19:18.44 | tordy | is artosis or kripp taller |
| 19:18.49 | tordy | battle of the talls in the finals |
| 19:19.03 | Ahli | artosis looks so unfimiliar in his jacket |
| 19:19.27 | tordy | artosis looking swuave with that slick esports jacket |
| 19:19.33 | tordy | lookin like a korean progamer |
| 19:19.33 | Triceron | used to seeing him in a suit |
| 19:19.52 | Triceron | too bad he can't just wear that |
| 19:20.57 | tordy | YEA KRIPP VS ARTOSIS PLS LET IT HAPPEN |
| 19:21.18 | tordy | i dont even know how to play hearthstone and i wanna see kripp up there |
| 19:22.01 | Triceron | oh who's playing in the Heroes match? is it all developers? |
| 19:22.17 | Ahli | I think so |
| 19:23.34 | tordy | whers the features topic |
| 19:23.48 | progammer | its all designer yes |
| 19:23.52 | progammer | browder shoutcast |
| 19:24.05 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29f6jriTPU4 arcade trailer |
| 19:24.47 | Bommes | artosis such a cold faced killer |
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| 19:27.06 | progammer | onec again its a recording :( i cant find any official video |
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| 19:39.17 | tordy | octavian aka kripp is a literal titan |
| 19:47.28 | progammer | holy shit frozen orb is in d3 now |
| 19:49.16 | Triceron | new spells in D3? |
| 19:50.17 | progammer | its an arcane orb rune |
| 19:50.22 | Vailreth | damn i may have to get back into diablo 3 |
| 19:50.34 | Bommes | omg reckful so bad |
| 19:50.34 | Triceron | oohhh |
| 19:50.35 | Vailreth | before the expansion |
| 19:50.39 | Triceron | makes sense |
| 19:50.41 | Bommes | he already won and doesn't think |
| 19:51.03 | progammer | i dont care about anything, frozen orb is the best designed skill ever |
| 19:51.15 | progammer | the d3 variant doesnt seem to be identical though :( |
| 19:52.21 | Triceron | progammer you gonna cover Heroes deep dive? |
| 19:52.45 | progammer | yes |
| 19:53.02 | Triceron | highfives progammer |
| 19:55.28 | Kueken | correct me if I am wrong, but didn't reckful have game? |
| 19:56.05 | Bommes | yeah |
| 19:56.05 | Bommes | so bad |
| 19:56.28 | Bommes | even 1 damage overkill |
| 19:57.45 | Ahli | man, there was a girl behind the casters staring into the camera |
| 19:58.10 | Bommes | she didn't actually stare into the camera |
| 19:58.12 | Bommes | she stared into your soul |
| 19:58.50 | Tolkfan1 | I have no idea what's going on in this hearthstone thing, but it's cool to see an esport that doesn't involve mashing the keyboard like a madman |
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| 20:00.33 | A1win | instead it involves investing money to buy cards |
| 20:01.54 | Triceron | it's followable |
| 20:02.03 | Triceron | that's the good thing about turn based |
| 20:03.39 | Jademus | Zork. |
| 20:04.53 | JademusSreg | So any editor shit covered at blizzcon? |
| 20:05.04 | progammer | not anymore im afraid |
| 20:05.13 | progammer | hopeing for anything in stoirm to come up |
| 20:05.26 | progammer | on the discussion of turn based game, anyone have a chance please check out Card Hunter |
| 20:07.03 | Stewox | i hope there is |
| 20:07.09 | Stewox | i'm looking for any sc2 stuff |
| 20:07.32 | tordy | YEA KRIPP |
| 20:07.37 | Dustin | jade, not really |
| 20:07.48 | Dustin | there was 1 sc2 panel and over half of it was about esports |
| 20:07.57 | Dustin | the rest was about free arcard for starter edition |
| 20:08.05 | tordy | artosis vs kripp would be really cool |
| 20:08.07 | Dustin | and that they were making some wc3 models for sc2 |
| 20:08.14 | tordy | sc2 community vs PoE community |
| 20:08.16 | Kueken | Jademus evolved into JademusSreg, using the Sreg stone! |
| 20:08.29 | JademusSreg | How completely expected. |
| 20:08.55 | Kueken | do you have a 3rd evolution? |
| 20:09.06 | JademusSreg | Yep. MasterJademusSreg. |
| 20:09.22 | Kueken | and of course the new mega evolution |
| 20:09.30 | Kueken | to MegaMasterJademusSreg |
| 20:09.31 | JademusSreg | Thankfully, my forms are not puns. |
| 20:09.53 | Bommes | but you special ability is to pun |
| 20:09.56 | Bommes | *your |
| 20:12.17 | JademusSreg | Pun, Non sequitur, Insight, and Efficiency. |
| 20:12.25 | progammer | deep dive in 18 min |
| 20:13.18 | JademusSreg | Clarify "deep dive". Dissecting the Heroes Storm data, or something else? |
| 20:14.44 | progammer | no its a porn movie |
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| 20:15.18 | JademusSreg | Ah, splendid. |
| 20:17.36 | Stewox | what's PoE tordy |
| 20:17.57 | progammer | Path of Exile |
| 20:18.12 | Stewox | oh never heard of it |
| 20:18.33 | Dustin | JademusSreg, |
| 20:18.34 | Dustin | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/843426/Screenshots/HOTSevent.png |
| 20:19.00 | progammer | give it a try |
| 20:19.08 | progammer | its complex and old school |
| 20:19.12 | Stewox | is it a RTS ? |
| 20:19.38 | Fate_ | i played about one hour of Path of Exile and was bored |
| 20:19.50 | Fate_ | its a diablo clone |
| 20:20.09 | progammer | its diablo 2.5 |
| 20:20.13 | progammer | not diablo 3 |
| 20:20.14 | progammer | lets call it that |
| 20:20.26 | Fate_ | i didnt say any numbes^^ |
| 20:21.01 | Fate_ | it plays more slowly that diablo and the environment is less interrestion |
| 20:21.47 | Fate_ | *interresting |
| 20:21.47 | Stewox | hmm im not actually a RPG fan, i played diablo 3 trial and enjoyed a bit but that's it |
| 20:22.05 | Stewox | but you know, im not experienced, i don't know what's good or bad in those games |
| 20:22.12 | JademusSreg | Hm, might actually want to see that. On the paid stream? |
| 20:22.25 | Dustin | ya |
| 20:23.56 | JademusSreg | Ah, interest waning. |
| 20:24.21 | progammer | ill just send you the skill tree of POE and you decide for yourself |
| 20:24.34 | progammer | http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree |
| 20:25.13 | tordy | get wrecked recked . Bow down to Kripp God |
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| 20:26.26 | Kueken | PoE's talent tree is an abomination :D |
| 20:26.36 | tordy | SC2 vs PoE, whoever wins, we lose |
| 20:27.03 | Tolkfan1 | I agree. It's like the old wow talent tree multiplied by 100 :S |
| 20:27.22 | Kueken | http://www.porelbit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/poe_skill_tree__by_jawsofhana-d4kgzrv.jpg |
| 20:27.41 | Tolkfan1 | oooh, I got a passive skill that gives me 1% crit, how awesome. |
| 20:28.04 | Kueken | but you have like 200 of them! |
| 20:28.19 | progammer | http://webcdn.pathofexile.com/gen/image/YTozOntpOjA7aTowO2k6/MjthOjI6e3M6MjoiaWQi/O2k6MTk4O3M6NDoic2l6/ZSI7czo0OiJvcmlnIjt9/aToxO2k6NDt9/829ab96442/aimlessgun_PoE1.jpg |
| 20:28.19 | JademusSreg | More like FF10 sphere grid. |
| 20:29.16 | Tolkfan1 | FF is also an abomination. Don't care about which number it has. |
| 20:29.54 | Dustin | I like every FF 7 and under |
| 20:29.56 | Dustin | The rest, meh |
| 20:30.22 | progammer | its on now |
| 20:30.40 | JademusSreg | I have significant loathing for Final Fantasy games (Tactics being the single exception), but PoE's skill tree system is very much similar to the sphere grid. |
| 20:31.03 | tordy | i dont even know how to play hearthstone, but im looking forward to watching kripp vs artosis more than sc2 right now |
| 20:32.06 | JademusSreg | Perhaps because SC2 is too familiar? |
| 20:32.31 | tordy | no im just watching it for kripp seriously |
| 20:32.51 | tordy | love seeing him on the big stage im always used to seeing him in his room w/ his webcam |
| 20:33.06 | tordy | but kripp vs artosis ...... 2 guys i love wathcin |
| 20:33.08 | tordy | gonna be good |
| 20:35.34 | Tolkfan1 | btw. http://www.webcaston.com/blizzconlivebyserienstreamscom this stream still works and the Heroes panel is about to begin |
| 20:36.19 | Tolkfan1 | actually no... it the stage with the warcraft movie, not heroes. |
| 20:36.51 | Tolkfan1 | it the stage, me hungry, typing bad |
| 20:39.06 | Dustin | I thought they said they didnt want to be restriced for places, yet its all medieval wow themed? |
| 20:39.10 | Dustin | I dont understand |
| 20:48.56 | Delphinium | Made a new model. http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/44/950/uh.gif |
| 20:49.46 | Bommes | looks sick, but the impact model looks more like something that would explode midair than something that detonates on the ground |
| 20:50.28 | Kueken | yeah, also it looks like all momentum was lost instantly |
| 20:50.47 | Kueken | I would like the explosion to head into movement direction a little |
| 20:51.04 | Kueken | not sure if that is even realistic, but I can imagine it would look cool |
| 20:57.48 | progammer | there;s lot of vids here :( |
| 20:57.55 | Zolden | Triceron! |
| 20:57.58 | Triceron | love you tolfan |
| 20:57.59 | Zolden | they are about heros talking |
| 20:58.02 | Triceron | Zolden! |
| 20:58.04 | Triceron | yay! |
| 20:58.54 | Triceron | noo |
| 20:59.07 | Zolden | crap |
| 20:59.10 | Triceron | :( |
| 20:59.10 | Zolden | why it switched |
| 20:59.27 | Triceron | movie panel starating |
| 20:59.28 | Triceron | :( |
| 20:59.55 | Zolden | Dustin cmon, share your screen with us via skype |
| 21:00.27 | Zolden | Dustin probably busy fapping on heroes |
| 21:00.34 | Dustin | lol |
| 21:01.40 | Zolden | Triceron well, one day we'll see it on youtube, i hope |
| 21:01.50 | Triceron | prolly tonight i hope |
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| 21:04.34 | Delphinium | Oh, actually I like that missile model very much, can be used in many situations I think. |
| 21:05.54 | Zolden | Delphinium yea, looks cool |
| 21:09.14 | Delphinium | thanks, I am still trying to add more modification. |
| 21:15.15 | progammer | wow that skin video is pretty good |
| 21:16.25 | Zolden | progammer do they show how they make heroes in art tools? |
| 21:16.55 | progammer | nope |
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| 21:20.44 | Ahli | infested tychus :D |
| 21:22.06 | Stewox | hmm ... maybe this the line at which some of you guys might open your eyes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mCPYtzZmok |
| 21:22.44 | Bommes | https://eval.in/61309 php so edgy |
| 21:26.00 | Deaod | :) |
| 21:26.05 | Deaod | type juggling is fun. |
| 21:26.52 | progammer | vid is up http://youtu.be/4ETowT2Rhr8 |
| 21:27.02 | progammer | (still processing) |
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| 21:32.44 | Triceron | thx for the vid Pro |
| 21:32.58 | Tolkfan1 | they're going to show the warcraft movie teaser :D |
| 21:33.25 | progammer | next one http://youtu.be/jXLKIO-9yNk |
| 21:35.32 | progammer | really ? |
| 21:35.38 | progammer | they have a teaser already ? |
| 21:35.59 | Triceron | ? |
| 21:36.27 | Tolkfan1 | nope, but it's going to be about Lothar and Durotan, so it's Warcraft II |
| 21:36.56 | progammer | keep recycling IP, blizzard as always :) |
| 21:36.57 | Triceron | the movie? |
| 21:37.01 | Triceron | omg |
| 21:38.58 | Tolkfan1 | right, correction, they have a teaser, they showed it at comic con behind closed doors, and I think they're about to show it now at blizzcon |
| 21:39.49 | A1win | anyone have an idea how viable it is to play hearthstone without sinking a lot of money into it? |
| 21:39.56 | progammer | oh that one ? |
| 21:39.59 | progammer | i've seen it |
| 21:40.10 | progammer | cant remember what it was now though :( |
| 21:40.27 | progammer | its F2P, you either spend time or money |
| 21:40.31 | progammer | there's no alternative |
| 21:40.49 | A1win | yeah ;p |
| 21:40.59 | A1win | and I'm asking how viable it is without spending money |
| 21:41.01 | Bommes | haha that final hearthstone game is pretty sick |
| 21:41.03 | A1win | = only spending time |
| 21:41.26 | Triceron | it's completely viable |
| 21:41.39 | Ahli | artosis won, lol |
| 21:41.51 | Triceron | it's just a matter of how far you want to go with your time investment. |
| 21:42.18 | progammer | enchanting can get you whatever card you need |
| 21:42.28 | progammer | so you really dont need to spend money |
| 21:42.35 | A1win | mm alright |
| 21:42.41 | progammer | album is up |
| 21:42.41 | progammer | http://imgur.com/a/lXPk7 |
| 21:42.45 | A1win | just still wondering if I want to get into it ;p |
| 21:43.11 | Ahli | if you just do the daily quests every 3 days, you can receive quite a lot of stuff in hs |
| 21:44.06 | A1win | jaedong vs maru starting after HS final is over |
| 21:44.22 | A1win | 2nd semifinal match |
| 21:44.55 | Stewox | stream lags |
| 21:44.59 | Bommes | Yeah, you probably won't get like full golden decks or something but that's completely visual and has no gameplay impact |
| 21:45.00 | Stewox | crap shit twitch |
| 21:45.08 | A1win | yeah lags on high for me, works on medium |
| 21:45.44 | Ahli | you would destroy your golden card versions ;) it gives more arcane dust to buy cards you need/want |
| 21:46.22 | Zolden | women who ask questions in wc movie look alike |
| 21:46.28 | Zolden | are all wow player chicks look like this? |
| 21:46.39 | Zolden | and the pretty ones in costumes are not wow players? |
| 21:47.53 | Zolden | lol |
| 21:47.59 | Zolden | whose question askers are so funny |
| 21:48.07 | Zolden | much funnier then the answers |
| 21:48.18 | Zolden | nerd rush |
| 21:48.34 | Stewox | started lagging on medium too |
| 21:48.37 | Stewox | yesterday all fine |
| 21:49.08 | Stewox | why do they rely on shit, eu server sucks, but im proxied to us server, still crap |
| 21:49.45 | progammer | lol strong female |
| 21:49.49 | progammer | like the one asking question |
| 21:54.04 | Zolden | yea, there was a strong female with STRONG WHITE BOOBS |
| 21:56.54 | progammer | ok we're going to live match |
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| 22:00.27 | Vindicator | any sc2 relevant news today so far? |
| 22:00.55 | Tolkfan1 | oh for fucks sake.... no trailer.... |
| 22:01.49 | progammer | live match going |
| 22:04.35 | Ahli | heroes has longer loading bar |
| 22:04.42 | Vindicator | lol |
| 22:04.43 | Vindicator | k |
| 22:06.06 | progammer | skill icon are all sc2 lol |
| 22:08.50 | Triceron | GO JAEDONG! |
| 22:10.18 | Triceron | its too early for a trailer |
| 22:10.56 | Triceron | movie's gonna be in production for 2 yrs, usually all the trailer stuff happens at the end, they're just in the concept phase. |
| 22:13.48 | Tolkfan1 | they showed some kind of concept teaser at comic con, with full CGI and actors. |
| 22:14.40 | Tolkfan1 | well, at least they showed some concept art... |
| 22:14.50 | Tolkfan1 | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2013/november/bconWoWMovie002.jpg |
| 22:16.43 | Triceron | Lothar in the movie |
| 22:16.45 | Triceron | I'm psyched |
| 22:18.38 | Bommes | that's dalaran? |
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| 22:23.13 | Tolkfan1 | yeah, that's dalaran |
| 22:26.30 | Triceron | it feels so good seeing Maru get stomped |
| 22:26.38 | A1win | :x |
| 22:27.18 | progammer | abathur playing ratdota |
| 22:28.57 | Triceron | ratdota? |
| 22:29.23 | progammer | farm and splitpush, its a term in dota |
| 22:29.41 | progammer | with negative meaning |
| 22:30.03 | Triceron | ah |
| 22:48.45 | Ahli | the areas that are hidden of a hero create an outline around the hero... is that possible atm? |
| 22:49.00 | Ahli | like when a hero walks behind a tree |
| 22:49.29 | Ahli | I think we can only make the object transparent? |
| 22:49.38 | Tomura | I also think so |
| 22:49.58 | Triceron | they could make treetops become transparent |
| 22:50.58 | Tomura | does Highlighting an Actor make it visible though stuff? |
| 22:51.05 | Tomura | I can't remember |
| 22:51.27 | A1win | highlight just means mouseovering an actor I think |
| 22:51.41 | A1win | or that's for units, mmh |
| 22:51.51 | Tomura | wasn't the actor event called highlight? |
| 22:52.08 | Tomura | I'll check for myself |
| 22:52.15 | Tomura | haven't opened the editor for some time |
| 22:52.23 | A1win | the highlight event fires when you mouseover the unit |
| 22:52.49 | A1win | unless the unit has no highlight flag on |
| 22:52.55 | Tomura | ah it was halo i meant |
| 22:53.05 | A1win | ahh |
| 22:53.07 | A1win | maybe |
| 22:53.22 | A1win | but halo only works on higher graphics settings |
| 22:53.28 | A1win | on low it's just a white glow on the actor |
| 22:53.35 | Tomura | I just had highlighting in my head since I used it to mark a item that is highlighted to show that you can interact with it |
| 22:55.10 | progammer | pretty cool match |
| 22:55.24 | progammer | cant upload them though, too long :( |
| 22:57.35 | Tomura | still it wouldn't achieve what Ahli wants |
| 23:01.01 | Ahli | it's like the highlight thing we have atm, just that it only appears on the areas that are blocked by other bigger models on the screen |
| 23:01.49 | Ahli | halo, yes |
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| 23:24.04 | progammer | terraining in heroes of the storm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-7SUrixVZQ |
| 23:26.09 | Kueken1 | looks totally different to SC2 |
| 23:28.51 | Triceron | it's just the style of models |
| 23:30.08 | Triceron | did they mention anything about Heroes and SC2, whether it's gonna be related or not? |
| 23:30.09 | Lajjla | Kueken |
| 23:30.24 | Lajjla | What do you think of people who think 'Das Mädchen und sein Buch' is incorrect? |
| 23:30.26 | Kueken | Triceron: I was being ironic |
| 23:30.41 | Triceron | ah |
| 23:30.45 | Kueken | Lajjla: They are wrong |
| 23:30.49 | Lajjla | Kueken, indeed |
| 23:30.51 | Lajjla | Ahli is one of them |
| 23:30.58 | Lajjla | It is quite clear that Mädchen is grmamatically neuter |
| 23:31.19 | Lajjla | Yet Ahli would dare to pollute my mind by trying to convince me it should be ihr buch, which is just stupid |
| 23:31.23 | Kueken | when I would say it out loud, I would probably do it wrong as well, though |
| 23:31.39 | Kueken | intuitively, ihr makes sense |
| 23:31.49 | Tomura | would agree with that |
| 23:31.51 | Kueken | but its grammatically incorrect |
| 23:32.15 | Tomura | also if you are referencing Mädchen in another sentence you wouldn't use "Es" |
| 23:33.07 | Tomura | hmmm |
| 23:33.27 | Ahli | is there a command to ignore people that annoy me? |
| 23:34.09 | Lajjla | Ahli, hush |
| 23:34.11 | Kueken | so Lajjla, to answer your initial question, I don't mind, if people are saying it wrong, so I don't think any less of the ones that do :D |
| 23:34.12 | Ahli | Tomura, but he is correct. Gramatically, you have to use "sein" because of "das Mädchen". ;D |
| 23:34.15 | Lajjla | Kueken, also 'wrongly' |
| 23:34.20 | Tomura | I know |
| 23:34.33 | Lajjla | Kueken, SAYING IT WRONGLY |
| 23:34.43 | Kueken | Hai, sodes |
| 23:34.51 | Ahli | I didn't :D I'm using my feeling for languages, not knowledge because I've no knowledge about German grammar |
| 23:34.51 | Kueken | (or however that is spelled) |
| 23:34.53 | Lajjla | Wir brauchen eine Endlösung der Grammatikfehlerfrage |
| 23:35.09 | Kueken | Grammar Nazi in perfection |
| 23:35.11 | Ahli | just force everyone to speak English. I'm fine with that |
| 23:35.27 | Tomura | but calling a girl "it" would be rather impolite |
| 23:35.34 | Lajjla | If everyone would speak English people would do silly things like abuse adjectives as adverbs or say 'who' when they should say 'whom' |
| 23:35.46 | Kueken | Ahli: Lajjla has that talent, was on my ignore list for a while as well :D |
| 23:35.54 | Lajjla | Das Transmädchen und sein Pimmelchen |
| 23:35.54 | Tomura | but German isn't very logical |
| 23:36.09 | Lajjla | sh: 1: quote: not found |
| 23:36.12 | Kueken | yeah, let's all speak Esperanto |
| 23:36.15 | Lajjla | "I like offending people, because I think people who get offended should be offended." - Linus Torvalds |
| 23:36.25 | Lajjla | Esperanto isn't either |
| 23:36.41 | Lajjla | Kueken, I like rubbing people in they were wrong ad infinitum |
| 23:36.42 | Lajjla | No idea why |
| 23:36.43 | Kueken | is there a logical language? |
| 23:36.45 | Kueken | latin? |
| 23:36.47 | Lajjla | Lojban |
| 23:36.49 | Lajjla | Hell no Latin |
| 23:36.53 | Lajjla | Latin is filled with inconsistencies |
| 23:37.03 | Lajjla | many, many irregular nouns and verbs and depondent verbs and stuff |
| 23:37.07 | Kueken | never understood it, so I wouldn't know |
| 23:37.17 | Kueken | okay, lets speak c++ |
| 23:37.29 | Tomura | lol |
| 23:37.39 | Tomura | then you'd be giving commands most of the time |
| 23:37.53 | Lajjla | C++ is of retarded design |
| 23:37.54 | Kueken | most people would just say the same all the time |
| 23:38.01 | Kueken | "Syntax Error" |
| 23:38.34 | Ahli | I need food, ahhh |
| 23:38.40 | Ahli | I didn't eat anything today :D |
| 23:38.59 | progammer | man these dude are fast with recording http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBfQJ2xW2Vs |
| 23:39.08 | progammer | (entire panel btw) |
| 23:40.02 | Kueken | Ahli: too bad |
| 23:40.07 | Kueken | and entirely your fault |
| 23:40.12 | progammer | also live match #1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTbLRqRGxeM |
| 23:41.51 | Ahli | ^^ ofc it is, but I wasn't hungry before |
| 23:42.31 | progammer | *match #2, not 1 |
| 23:42.54 | Tomura | yeah that's 2 |
| 23:43.31 | Kueken | and it is unthinkable one becomes hungry later on ofc :D |
| 23:48.38 | Ahli | yes, that is madness |
| 23:49.06 | Ahli | so, brb... I think I'm only doing this because I know that I can buy food at mcdonalds at 1am :D |
| 23:50.03 | Triceron | thx progammer |
