| 00:35.50 | *** join/#sc2mapster EntityEnigma (629696b2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.150.150.178) |
| 01:34.57 | Dustin|Home | Zolden, fuck ya |
| 01:48.22 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (45f8f26f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.242.111) |
| 01:48.24 | Bounty | Pew :) |
| 01:50.07 | ArcanePariah | QQ |
| 01:50.11 | ArcanePariah | Pew Pew |
| 01:50.13 | ArcanePariah | :P |
| 01:54.35 | A1win | hah, if I make the ship's thruster flame wider, it doesn't feel so weird that they move so slow |
| 01:54.47 | A1win | the long thruster flame was giving the illusion that the ship should move faster |
| 01:54.50 | Bounty | Hey Arcane |
| 01:54.52 | Bounty | I remember yew |
| 01:54.53 | Bounty | :) |
| 01:54.58 | Bounty | good talk last night |
| 01:55.03 | Bounty | even though we got nowhere haha |
| 01:55.04 | ArcanePariah | Mmhmm :D |
| 01:55.09 | Dustin|Home | A1win, testing tonight? :D |
| 01:55.41 | Bounty | I guess Blizzard does not come in here anymore? |
| 01:55.43 | A1win | mmf well it's 4 am here and I only just launched the editor |
| 01:55.52 | Bounty | lol A1win |
| 01:55.59 | Bounty | you're a nightcrawler |
| 01:56.03 | Bounty | like myself :) |
| 01:56.06 | ArcanePariah | Bounty: The last one in here stated that they were busy with Heroes of the Storm |
| 01:56.14 | A1win | every now and then |
| 01:56.20 | Dustin|Home | nm then :P |
| 01:56.21 | Bounty | Makes sense Arcane |
| 01:56.30 | ArcanePariah | Also, I imagine right now, they are going overload to prep for Blizzcon |
| 01:56.36 | ArcanePariah | 2 days |
| 01:56.46 | Bounty | Why bother with the true innovative people in their community |
| 01:56.53 | Bounty | Than to work on another Dota gmae |
| 01:56.56 | Bounty | :) |
| 01:57.10 | Triceron | $$ |
| 01:57.12 | Triceron | :) |
| 01:57.20 | Bounty | ^ agreed |
| 01:57.24 | Bounty | Can't argue that one Triceron |
| 01:57.28 | Bounty | Not one bit |
| 01:57.47 | Bounty | Its hard for certain people like myself to accept |
| 01:57.53 | Bounty | That grew up under Blizzard North |
| 01:57.56 | ArcanePariah | *Shrug* My instinct has always been that they overcommitted resources to Titan, leaving every other project starved, so when Titan was rebooted, all the other projects got major influx of resources and thus a ton got done (See Hearthston, Heroes of the Storm, D3 expansion work) |
| 01:57.59 | Bounty | It is what it is. |
| 01:58.22 | Bounty | Nah, I think its bigger than that Arcane |
| 01:58.26 | Bounty | They're big now |
| 01:58.42 | Bounty | When was the last time a company got big and continued with their roots? |
| 01:58.46 | Bounty | never? |
| 01:58.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:58.49 | ArcanePariah | True, but they did also recently remove a major stress on their financies |
| 01:58.52 | ArcanePariah | finances* |
| 01:59.09 | Bounty | Like I said, it sucks but I mean, even as someone who hates capitalism I understand |
| 01:59.18 | ArcanePariah | Ya see... they were getting pressed for money by Vivendi, their former owner, since the rest of vivendi was losing money |
| 01:59.30 | Bounty | That and most people fail to remember when they merged with Activision, they did not do it by choice |
| 01:59.38 | Bounty | WoW damn near bankrupted them |
| 01:59.45 | ArcanePariah | ??? |
| 02:00.07 | Bounty | or perhaps my history is wrong? |
| 02:00.12 | Bounty | but I remember seeing the post |
| 02:00.18 | Bounty | on the WoW website |
| 02:00.20 | Bounty | announcing the merger |
| 02:00.25 | Bounty | came out of nowhere |
| 02:00.45 | ArcanePariah | See above, Vivendi, the parent company, was in financial trouble |
| 02:00.48 | Bounty | yeah |
| 02:00.50 | Bounty | sorry |
| 02:00.53 | Bounty | I skipped that |
| 02:00.56 | Bounty | just saw it |
| 02:00.58 | Bounty | yeah, thank god |
| 02:01.06 | Bounty | but I guess no we find out |
| 02:01.11 | Bounty | who was the real issue |
| 02:01.22 | Bounty | if it was vivendi then it should show itself |
| 02:01.33 | Bounty | I have high hopes it was vivendi |
| 02:01.33 | ArcanePariah | But now that Activsion/Blizzard bought themselves out, they no longer as pressed for money. Ironically, as hated as he is, Kotick is a good business person and the buyout was a good move |
| 02:01.43 | Bounty | they were basically an investment corporation |
| 02:01.45 | Bounty | from what I read |
| 02:01.54 | Triceron | they weren't in financial trouble, just thei games division was being 'mismanaged'. |
| 02:02.21 | ArcanePariah | Triceron: No, the entirety of Vivendi was in major financial difficulty, a year ago they lost a 1 billion dollar court case |
| 02:02.30 | ArcanePariah | Their games division was the only one making money |
| 02:02.43 | ArcanePariah | aka Activision and Blizzzard (Cod and WoW) |
| 02:02.43 | Triceron | oh you're talking after the merger then |
| 02:02.54 | ArcanePariah | Yes, this was about a year ago |
| 02:03.09 | ArcanePariah | and the court loss was over fraud by Vivendi |
| 02:03.20 | ArcanePariah | Vivendi CEO resigned over it |
| 02:03.36 | Bounty | good |
| 02:03.40 | Bounty | but I still think at this point |
| 02:03.45 | Bounty | Blizzard could be on their own |
| 02:03.55 | Bounty | I understand why they did it back then |
| 02:03.59 | ArcanePariah | They are now, pretty much |
| 02:04.04 | Bounty | but at this point, they could survive on their own |
| 02:04.08 | Bounty | Activision |
| 02:04.27 | Bounty | Thats the last company they need |
| 02:04.38 | Bounty | They have a good revenue generating model |
| 02:04.43 | ArcanePariah | Activision and Blizzard are basically the 2 wings of a holding company with Kotick as CEO of the holding company |
| 02:04.44 | Bounty | but its based on repetition |
| 02:04.45 | Triceron | reviews on the latest CoD |
| 02:04.46 | Triceron | man |
| 02:04.49 | Bounty | yeah dude |
| 02:04.50 | Triceron | what a bomb |
| 02:04.52 | Bounty | I saw those Triceron |
| 02:04.58 | Bounty | on the major sites |
| 02:05.02 | Bounty | 8.0? really? |
| 02:05.07 | Bounty | last time I fell for that |
| 02:05.11 | Bounty | I bought the game |
| 02:05.12 | Bounty | and AGAIN |
| 02:05.16 | Bounty | it was the same fucking game |
| 02:05.17 | ArcanePariah | Kind of inevtiable, CoD has been rehashed quite a bit |
| 02:05.19 | Triceron | it was 1.7 userscore on metacritic |
| 02:05.25 | Triceron | i couldn't find the official metascore |
| 02:05.28 | Bounty | good |
| 02:05.35 | Bounty | Like, doesn't that shit make your head hurt? |
| 02:05.41 | Bounty | I think we can all agree |
| 02:05.48 | Bounty | CoD 4 was amazing |
| 02:05.50 | ArcanePariah | The problem is, because of the cost of making a game, even a copy, means you don't risk, you play it safe |
| 02:05.52 | Bounty | in terms of what it did |
| 02:05.53 | Bounty | right? |
| 02:06.09 | Triceron | was 4 Modern Warfare? |
| 02:06.19 | ArcanePariah | See Diablo 3 for an example of where they DIDN'T rehash, and got burned for it |
| 02:06.31 | ArcanePariah | Also meta critic user scores are worthless |
| 02:06.33 | Triceron | I just played Path of Exile this week |
| 02:06.47 | ArcanePariah | Since they are so easy to manipulate |
| 02:06.49 | Triceron | I really feel like that's what D3 could have been (with better graphics) |
| 02:07.06 | ArcanePariah | See current DotA 2 score for exmaple of stupidity of Metacritc scoring |
| 02:07.13 | Bounty | I've been playing PoE since beta |
| 02:07.17 | Bounty | You're right Triceron |
| 02:07.25 | Bounty | The wife and I played that shit for months (in BETA) |
| 02:07.29 | Bounty | so much depth |
| 02:07.34 | Triceron | I played wtih a friend who had never played a Diablo game |
| 02:07.37 | ArcanePariah | Well Triceron, wait till expansion, expansion pretty much fixes everything and then some (most of the changes are coming to vanilla as well) |
| 02:07.41 | Bounty | Same |
| 02:07.41 | ArcanePariah | D3* |
| 02:07.50 | Bounty | the wife had never been exposed to a Diablo style RPG |
| 02:07.53 | Triceron | and explaining him mechanics made me realize how well Path improved the system |
| 02:07.57 | Bounty | shes more of a FF player |
| 02:08.01 | Bounty | yeah |
| 02:08.04 | Bounty | took me a month |
| 02:08.10 | Bounty | to fully understand the economy and everything |
| 02:08.22 | Bounty | oh man I could get so deep into this |
| 02:08.34 | Triceron | the skill tree needs to be simplified for noobs, but once you get into it, it's really genius. |
| 02:08.40 | Bounty | Because Path of exile directly reflects what Arcane and a number of others including myself were talking about |
| 02:08.47 | Bounty | in terms of economy in the world lol |
| 02:09.00 | Bounty | Its amazong |
| 02:09.02 | ArcanePariah | I do have to ask about one thing, the huge passive tree, I assume it is actually meaningful? I have heard mixed thoughts on it, that it looks great, then once you start leveling, it becomes obvious which paths are optimal |
| 02:09.16 | Triceron | meaningful? |
| 02:09.20 | Triceron | elaborate |
| 02:09.46 | ArcanePariah | You have 3000 passives, but if one gives you 10x damage then anything else int he game, it will ALWAYS be picked |
| 02:09.56 | Triceron | Well it's a means to an end |
| 02:10.29 | Triceron | ultimately it's going to be defined by having a plan from the start. It's not something you just put points into and play as you go. It's designed for an end-goal player |
| 02:10.43 | ArcanePariah | Like, if we examined Diablo 2 skill tree, on the surface they looked greated, until your realized 50% of them were worthless, 1/3 were 1 point (no scaling) and you dumped into the remaining 10-15% |
| 02:10.56 | Triceron | for me, it worked perfectly. I picked my class, I knew from the start that I was going to use Cold spells and be tanky with minions, and it let me do it. |
| 02:11.16 | Bounty | I just talked to the wife about this Arcane |
| 02:11.17 | ArcanePariah | Entire Diablo 2 trees were totall ineffectual, or at best, mediocre |
| 02:11.25 | Bounty | That conversation we were talking about last night |
| 02:11.29 | Bounty | about the economy |
| 02:11.31 | Triceron | if I went in not knowing what I wanted to do, then no, nothing is meaningful. In fact, it would probably do more harm than good, since you're putting points in 'useless' skills |
| 02:11.36 | Bounty | and money having no real value, remember? |
| 02:11.51 | Triceron | I like that it doesn't punish death either |
| 02:11.56 | ArcanePariah | Bounty: I vaguely rmbr, but I think I was afk for that part |
| 02:12.04 | Triceron | I don't know if that's the case for later difficulties |
| 02:12.10 | Bounty | I hate to say it because it sounds so lame but, the economy in Path of exile really represents the economy I want |
| 02:12.14 | Bounty | There is no "gold" |
| 02:12.28 | Bounty | The people determine an items worth |
| 02:12.28 | ArcanePariah | In which case, what is the currency that has been established? |
| 02:12.41 | Bounty | Its wierd |
| 02:12.50 | Triceron | but punishing death is an antiquated mechanic. The only thing you should really lose is your time investment from having to 'restart' |
| 02:12.51 | Bounty | its constantly fluctuating in PoE |
| 02:13.05 | Bounty | there are like 20 "items" that altar an items states in someway |
| 02:13.15 | Bounty | depending on what you need, that determines its value |
| 02:13.19 | ArcanePariah | Because inevitably, people WILL establish a common currency, because we have proven large scale bartering is crappy at best, useless at worst |
| 02:13.32 | Bounty | Look at poE |
| 02:13.35 | Bounty | best I can say |
| 02:13.43 | Bounty | its not the BEST example but I think its a good one |
| 02:13.49 | Bounty | god damn I sound like a nerd? |
| 02:13.57 | Triceron | do you do much trading Bounty? |
| 02:14.02 | Bounty | yeah |
| 02:14.08 | ArcanePariah | Maybe... but Bounty such arrangments easily lead to scams, and arbitrrage all over |
| 02:14.13 | Bounty | I played PoE well before its release |
| 02:14.14 | Triceron | so how do people weigh item value? |
| 02:14.23 | Bounty | based on what they need/want |
| 02:14.35 | ArcanePariah | I'm assuming some people play the economy and play arbitrage |
| 02:14.42 | Bounty | they say "oh I want 15 alch" for this |
| 02:14.52 | Bounty | but if you offering them fewer of something else that they need... |
| 02:14.54 | Bounty | they will take it |
| 02:15.31 | ArcanePariah | I'm also curious, how does the game deal with botting? Since being F2P and no death penalty means I can run unlimted bots to farm whatever people want |
| 02:15.45 | ArcanePariah | And thus reduce the value of anything to 0 |
| 02:16.33 | Triceron | feels like a loaded question :P |
| 02:17.18 | ArcanePariah | Well, bots are a guarentee in any grind based game |
| 02:17.31 | ArcanePariah | I can already see on certain forums the bot software for PoE |
| 02:17.47 | Triceron | what popular game doesn't have botting? I guess it's more an issue of whether it's had an apparant effect on the economy |
| 02:18.07 | ArcanePariah | Correct, that's what I'm more asking about, how has botting affected the economy you are discussing? |
| 02:18.13 | *** join/#sc2mapster rts (~rtschutte@ip174-68-90-32.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 02:24.55 | A1win | whee now you can actually kill stuff a gain >:3 |
| 02:25.04 | A1win | just need to restore death messages and change scoring |
| 02:43.19 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tolkfan (~Thunderbi@host-89-230-245-46.nowydwor.mm.pl) |
| 03:01.45 | A1win | sleep time <.< |
| 03:02.21 | Bounty | So, random question ArcanePariah |
| 03:02.53 | Bounty | How dangerous do you think it would be to come out as someone who believes in communism to your family? lol |
| 03:03.35 | Bounty | I often wonder what is worse, telling your family you're gay, atheist or a communist |
| 03:05.11 | Bounty | Like, what has the greatest chance of a negative retaliation |
| 03:07.37 | JademusSreg | Counter bot mechanism: Quesptcha. Dynamically generate quests requiring players read from ancient, distorted scrolls or such to acquire needed clues. |
| 03:07.42 | JademusSreg | Nap time. |
| 03:11.31 | ArcanePariah | To give a short version, since I am preoccupied at the moment, from my reading of US culture at the moment, telling someone your atheist is safest, communist next, then gay. Gay is considered a religious affront, a disease, and mental retardation among some groups |
| 03:13.10 | *** join/#sc2mapster tigger0jk (~tigger0jk@c-71-202-39-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 03:13.26 | ArcanePariah | Atheist is a given in the US, religion has less significance now a days. Let me be clear, organize religion, not spirituality, spirituality is quite strong in the US. Stating oneself as communist is considerd a joke, or offensive, since regimes that have designated themselves communist have been some of the most brutal in history, with easily half a billion + dead under their rule |
| 03:13.59 | ArcanePariah | Being gay/homosexual is considered a direct attack on many religions basic dictates |
| 03:14.40 | ArcanePariah | But bluntly, such views are held by those of older age, and will diminish when they die off |
| 03:16.22 | Bounty | This may sound crazy but I think we should wipe them out |
| 03:16.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:55.51 | Triceron | when is the mapping panel at blizzcon? |
| 03:56.01 | Bounty | No idea, but I am curious myself |
| 03:56.22 | Bounty | Can't wait to see the questions that are answered by providing no answer this year! |
| 03:56.25 | Bounty | >.< |
| 03:56.48 | Triceron | huh, weird |
| 03:57.13 | Triceron | it's not on their schedule |
| 03:57.19 | Triceron | does that mean... no mapping panel? |
| 03:57.26 | ArcanePariah | THere is a SC2 panel that is supposed to cover everything |
| 03:57.39 | ArcanePariah | From esport balance to arcade |
| 03:57.49 | Bounty | I don't expect much on the arcade side |
| 03:57.57 | ArcanePariah | I do |
| 03:57.57 | Triceron | sc2 update, 1pm to 2pm |
| 03:58.07 | ArcanePariah | Because of what Blizzard did a month or so ago |
| 03:58.14 | Bounty | I hope i'm wrong |
| 03:58.17 | Bounty | I really do |
| 03:58.19 | ArcanePariah | Actually 2 months ago |
| 03:58.31 | Triceron | what mapping are you still doin Bounty? |
| 03:58.37 | ArcanePariah | They sent out an email to all mappers who had their maps featured and flat out asked what they wanted |
| 03:58.42 | Bounty | working for NCU on a project |
| 03:58.50 | Bounty | >.< |
| 03:58.51 | Triceron | university? |
| 03:58.53 | Bounty | yes |
| 03:59.00 | Triceron | er, sc2 related? |
| 03:59.04 | Bounty | yep |
| 03:59.08 | Triceron | O_o |
| 03:59.30 | Bounty | Cognitive game benefits on the elderly and the game is developed in SC2 engine |
| 03:59.30 | ArcanePariah | Triceron: I've heard weirder stuff, people wanted to use SC2 to prototype things for various ventures |
| 03:59.41 | Bounty | and Blizzard showed them no support |
| 03:59.44 | Bounty | for the record |
| 03:59.47 | Bounty | no surprise |
| 03:59.52 | ArcanePariah | Umm... duh? |
| 04:00.04 | Bounty | even the people I work for say that its amazing that Blizzard does not offer any incentives to map makers |
| 04:00.10 | Bounty | given our creativity |
| 04:00.21 | Triceron | that'd be Valve |
| 04:00.22 | Triceron | :P |
| 04:00.25 | Bounty | yep |
| 04:00.28 | ArcanePariah | Does no on read the disclaimer that is in your face that states Blizzard will give no direct help? |
| 04:00.34 | ArcanePariah | When you launch the editor |
| 04:00.35 | Bounty | and Valve has been saying it for years have they not Triceron? |
| 04:00.43 | Bounty | That companies should hop on this band wagon |
| 04:00.47 | Bounty | and nobody does |
| 04:00.49 | Bounty | so w/e |
| 04:01.00 | ArcanePariah | Bounty: Valve has 2 very very unique things that let them do that |
| 04:01.26 | ArcanePariah | 1) They are private, and always have been and 2) A virtual lock on digital game sales |
| 04:01.43 | Bounty | Ok so you're saying Blizzard could not do that? |
| 04:01.46 | ArcanePariah | Most companies are in the business of making games, not playing middleman |
| 04:01.56 | ArcanePariah | Blizzard maybe, but blizzard actually makes games |
| 04:02.05 | ArcanePariah | Valve hasn't made a game in 7 years or so |
| 04:02.05 | Bounty | maybe? |
| 04:02.12 | Bounty | we're talking ABOUT blizzard |
| 04:02.13 | Triceron | Blizzard can but they get a bad rap for doing so |
| 04:02.14 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:02.21 | Triceron | because they've had a history of giving stuff away for free |
| 04:02.22 | Bounty | what? |
| 04:02.24 | Triceron | well |
| 04:02.30 | Bounty | yeah |
| 04:02.32 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, though Blizzard is moving towards that with Desktop app |
| 04:02.37 | Triceron | have you seen the attitude WoW players give towards anything sold on the marketplace? |
| 04:02.38 | Bounty | I know what you're talking about Triceron |
| 04:02.42 | Bounty | and its a huge problem |
| 04:02.45 | ArcanePariah | But Blizzard is not about to compete with steam, see what happen with origin |
| 04:02.49 | Bounty | its the community |
| 04:02.52 | ArcanePariah | and yeah, that too, see D3 AH |
| 04:02.58 | ArcanePariah | that went over like a lead balloon |
| 04:03.00 | Bounty | The community thinks we just make these games overnight |
| 04:03.05 | Bounty | with no effort |
| 04:03.08 | Bounty | thats the problem |
| 04:03.10 | ArcanePariah | Pretty much |
| 04:03.17 | Bounty | fuck em then |
| 04:03.20 | Bounty | don't make shit |
| 04:03.25 | Bounty | remove all games on the arcade |
| 04:03.27 | Bounty | imo |
| 04:03.38 | Bounty | People need to be educated |
| 04:03.52 | Bounty | There is no such thing as free, someone worked hard for it |
| 04:03.57 | ArcanePariah | Sadly, too late, I would blame steam itself for that mentality, since you can get so much stuff for free |
| 04:04.11 | ArcanePariah | Yes, because basically free = mind game |
| 04:04.20 | ArcanePariah | You have 2 mind games |
| 04:04.22 | Bounty | I don't think we can blame companies for any of it relaly |
| 04:04.25 | Bounty | really* |
| 04:04.27 | ArcanePariah | 1) Drug dealer, 1st hit is free |
| 04:04.33 | Bounty | I mean honestly, we could go back to SC1 and WC3 |
| 04:04.35 | ArcanePariah | and 2) No sticker shock |
| 04:04.36 | Bounty | all customs were free |
| 04:04.40 | Bounty | that is a cause as well |
| 04:04.50 | Bounty | but we can't blame the companies for that |
| 04:05.11 | ArcanePariah | Correct, and it stems from a fundamnetal value problem of software: Unlike all physical objects, software has no marginal per unit cost |
| 04:05.12 | Bounty | I grew up in that era and I don't have that mentality. |
| 04:05.38 | ArcanePariah | Software is worth as much as the time spent to create it, since no raw materaials are needed for it |
| 04:05.47 | Bounty | I hate capitalism for this very reason lol |
| 04:06.11 | ArcanePariah | I would say it is something not accounted for in the capitalist model |
| 04:06.17 | Bounty | If we want capitalism so bad, the least we could do is start progressing towards intellectual capital |
| 04:06.24 | ArcanePariah | We already have |
| 04:06.36 | Bounty | How so |
| 04:06.38 | ArcanePariah | Patents/Copyrights/Trademarks aare huge now adays |
| 04:06.43 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 04:06.47 | Bounty | You know what the problem is? |
| 04:06.54 | ArcanePariah | How do you value such things? |
| 04:07.00 | Bounty | If you have an idea that uses someone elses product, you're fucked |
| 04:07.09 | ArcanePariah | Correct |
| 04:07.11 | Bounty | Even if it is an amazing idea |
| 04:07.15 | Bounty | That is a problem IMO |
| 04:07.17 | Bounty | to ME |
| 04:07.20 | Bounty | It should be a split |
| 04:07.25 | Bounty | between the two |
| 04:07.44 | ArcanePariah | Which ofc a grey area, what kind of split? How do you determine which one is more improtant and valuable? |
| 04:07.58 | Bounty | Honestly? I keep it basic, 50/50 |
| 04:08.04 | Bounty | 50% of the cause was the product |
| 04:08.10 | Bounty | 50% was the mind of the person |
| 04:08.18 | Bounty | I think thats fair |
| 04:08.29 | *** join/#sc2mapster Froggy (~Froggy@60.166.127.83) |
| 04:08.39 | ArcanePariah | So... everyone should be paying a tithe to ATT for inventing the transistor, of which we all use? |
| 04:08.59 | Bounty | Maybe then that would motive people to find an alternative? |
| 04:09.15 | ArcanePariah | Who is going to pay for that research? |
| 04:09.21 | Bounty | We could debate this till the end of time dude lol |
| 04:09.27 | ArcanePariah | Indeed we could :D |
| 04:09.33 | ArcanePariah | Such is life |
| 04:09.38 | Bounty | I will lose eventually and I'll admit it because I do not believe in the system at all |
| 04:09.39 | Bounty | haha |
| 04:09.48 | Bounty | So its hard for me to argue FOR it |
| 04:09.51 | Bounty | i try though |
| 04:09.56 | Bounty | >.< |
| 04:09.57 | Bounty | indeed |
| 04:09.59 | ArcanePariah | But it is a good debate practice, defend a position you oppose |
| 04:10.10 | Bounty | I could debate that rofl |
| 04:10.12 | ArcanePariah | Makes one think a great deal more and more clearly as well |
| 04:10.19 | Bounty | arguing should not be a taught skill in that way |
| 04:10.28 | Bounty | it teaches you to defend things you don't believe in |
| 04:10.38 | Bounty | I only defend what I just did because I know this is it |
| 04:10.45 | ArcanePariah | It is something often used in law school, one can be asked to defend a position then turn around and oppose their own postition |
| 04:10.46 | Bounty | so i look for solutions |
| 04:10.58 | ArcanePariah | Ahh, a engineer mindset |
| 04:11.06 | ArcanePariah | Problem -> Find Solution |
| 04:11.14 | Bounty | Thats how i've always thought |
| 04:11.19 | Bounty | Glad to know thats the mindset I have |
| 04:11.24 | Bounty | my father was an engineer LOL |
| 04:11.31 | Bounty | what you just said makes me LOL so bad |
| 04:11.40 | Bounty | its like a movie |
| 04:11.52 | Bounty | but yes |
| 04:11.55 | Bounty | that is how I think |
| 04:12.00 | Bounty | I tell this to people all the time |
| 04:12.02 | Triceron | better than a producer mindset |
| 04:12.12 | Triceron | Problem -> THROW MORE PEOPLE AT IT |
| 04:12.13 | Bounty | "If I disagree with you now, check back with me in a day or two" |
| 04:12.17 | Bounty | make sense? |
| 04:12.20 | ArcanePariah | Which is useful indeed, but not entirely applicable to economics, since economics is not based on hard and fast rules like engineering, and thus their is no correct solution, only a somewhat optimal solution for the current context |
| 04:12.25 | Bounty | I give people the benefit to let me think |
| 04:12.35 | Bounty | and reflect on the debate outside of emotions |
| 04:13.02 | ArcanePariah | Bounty: Agreed, if you are in search of a factual, optimal solution, standing back and being objective is very important |
| 04:13.34 | ArcanePariah | However, for topics such as Politics and Economics, their is a fair bit of subjectivity and thus not always useful to stand back and analyze |
| 04:13.50 | Bounty | Its wierd, even in the heat of the moment I know I am not thinking clearly |
| 04:14.04 | Bounty | Many a time I give myself the cooldown period and come to a more reasonable approach. |
| 04:14.33 | Bounty | Maybe its because like you just said, I have that mindset but... |
| 04:14.42 | Bounty | I see absolutely no negative to this way of thought |
| 04:14.51 | Bounty | in that I allow emotions to not rule my ultimate judgement |
| 04:15.01 | Bounty | which is the number one problem in politics |
| 04:15.29 | Bounty | btw, I appreciate you summing my way of thought up into a single phrase Arcane, never thought of it that way but it makes sense lol |
| 04:15.37 | Triceron | you really think that many political issues are simply emotionally fueled? |
| 04:15.48 | ArcanePariah | The drawback to that approach (which sadly I personally have experience with) is that you appear emotionally detached and thus lacking a certain context for various emotions |
| 04:15.51 | Bounty | Give me another example? |
| 04:15.56 | Bounty | Greed is an emotion |
| 04:16.01 | Bounty | Fear is an emotion |
| 04:16.08 | Bounty | So... give me an example? |
| 04:16.42 | ArcanePariah | Triceron: To a degree yes, because politics represents a place where ideas are debated, and ultimately we must compromise on them, which leads to anger/hurt/fear because people do not react well to change |
| 04:16.49 | Bounty | Arcane |
| 04:16.53 | Bounty | So you mean I lack empathy? |
| 04:16.55 | Bounty | right? |
| 04:17.02 | ArcanePariah | No, but you may APPEAR that way |
| 04:17.07 | Bounty | No because |
| 04:17.09 | Bounty | I know I do |
| 04:17.12 | Triceron | If you consider Greed an emotion, then sure |
| 04:17.15 | Triceron | but I don't think it's an emotion |
| 04:17.19 | Bounty | Just trying to learn something Arcane! |
| 04:17.21 | Triceron | it's a bit of an abstraction |
| 04:17.26 | Bounty | because I found what you said interesting |
| 04:17.29 | Bounty | because I know I do |
| 04:17.32 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:17.46 | ArcanePariah | For better or worse, Humans are social creatures and thus we are fairly easily influenced by those around us |
| 04:18.08 | Bounty | I have almost zero empathy for some reason |
| 04:18.11 | Bounty | I ATTEMPT to fake it though |
| 04:18.20 | Bounty | So that is interesting you said that |
| 04:18.31 | Bounty | yer like a shrink! |
| 04:18.40 | ArcanePariah | Consequently the emotional state of who we interact with has a fairly large importance to us. For exmaple, if your boss was highly intelligent, always accurate, but always rude and confrontational, would you consider him a good boss? |
| 04:18.40 | Triceron | well, that's cuz you're a sociopath |
| 04:19.53 | ArcanePariah | Triceron would be correct in that assessment, Sociopaths are individuals who are incapable (latest research suggests possible neurochemical failure) of emotional attachment to others |
| 04:20.08 | Bounty | Let me clarify |
| 04:20.13 | Bounty | Just talked to the wife about this |
| 04:20.22 | Bounty | I never feel empathy initially |
| 04:20.26 | Bounty | I always feel it after |
| 04:20.28 | Bounty | way after |
| 04:20.29 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:20.36 | Bounty | also, haha Triceron |
| 04:20.38 | ArcanePariah | Then a possibly delayed response |
| 04:20.48 | Bounty | But I don't always feel it |
| 04:21.03 | Bounty | Usually towards something that affects myself |
| 04:21.08 | Bounty | son etc |
| 04:21.27 | Bounty | maybe I could make this a marketing thing? the sociopath map maker? |
| 04:21.29 | Bounty | >.< |
| 04:21.49 | ArcanePariah | In that case, you probably just have a lowered state of empathy, but yes, that just means you are a lesser sociopath |
| 04:21.57 | Triceron | well i didn't mean it in a condescending way if that's how it came across |
| 04:22.01 | Bounty | Thats fine |
| 04:22.07 | Bounty | Nah I know what a sociopath is haha |
| 04:22.12 | Bounty | its not bad |
| 04:22.15 | Triceron | but like Sherlock from the BBC series |
| 04:22.22 | Bounty | unless you like, want to kill people or something |
| 04:22.31 | Bounty | then... there is an issue |
| 04:22.32 | Triceron | super smart, solves crimes, but is a rude sunovabitch |
| 04:22.45 | Bounty | I don't consider myself smart |
| 04:22.58 | Bounty | anyways, holy shit this is like an intervention |
| 04:23.02 | Triceron | well he was a high-functioning sociopath :P |
| 04:23.02 | Bounty | rofl |
| 04:23.06 | ArcanePariah | Mind you, sociopaths, because of their lack of inhibitions, tend to perform at extremes, either inspiring and becoming fairly ruthless leaders, or abject failures. For them, ends tend to justify the means, and people are simply another means to an end |
| 04:23.20 | Bounty | very true Triceron |
| 04:23.34 | Bounty | I envision myself as a leader |
| 04:23.43 | Bounty | but like most of us here (I would assume) |
| 04:23.48 | Bounty | I lack the social skills |
| 04:24.12 | ArcanePariah | If you want decent examples of sociopaths today, a fair number of high profile CEO's have sociopathic tendencies (Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, Steve Jobs) |
| 04:24.15 | Bounty | I only say most of us because I have seen how map makers from mapster perform in interviews and holy shit it is awkward |
| 04:24.38 | Bounty | Bill Gates has a good amount of empathy |
| 04:24.43 | Bounty | in certain areas |
| 04:24.58 | Bounty | or just a really good PR |
| 04:25.27 | ArcanePariah | Bounty: Arguably I would say that is another reason Blizzard gave so little care to mapmakers, most are either amateur and thus provide little useful feedback or are confrontational, with good feedback but poor delivery |
| 04:25.52 | Triceron | *couogh* fockewulf *cough* |
| 04:26.01 | Bounty | haha |
| 04:26.06 | Bounty | god damn Triceron |
| 04:26.08 | Bounty | ZING |
| 04:26.12 | Bounty | >.< |
| 04:26.17 | ArcanePariah | Bill Gates... he does not really have empathy, and although he has his foundation, he created that from his Microsoft wealth, which he built on the corpses of many companies he backstabbed |
| 04:26.39 | Bounty | with that said though Arcane |
| 04:26.42 | Bounty | how do we know |
| 04:26.44 | Triceron | he plays the game of thrones well |
| 04:26.53 | Bounty | that he did not do that because he had to, but deep down he wanted to help others |
| 04:26.58 | Bounty | thats how I feel |
| 04:27.02 | Bounty | personally |
| 04:27.09 | Bounty | If I was given the chance I would do it |
| 04:27.22 | ArcanePariah | Yes, Fockewulf definitely comes to mind. I think he fail to get that at the ripe age of 22, he does not get corporate politics, nor is he experienced enough ot understand that modern software design is more about organization, not coding... |
| 04:27.27 | Bounty | Like we discussed last night, the greater good. |
| 04:27.42 | ArcanePariah | Bounty: Perhaps, but that is sociopathic still, ends justifying the means |
| 04:28.11 | ArcanePariah | It's like saying, I'm going to get the medicine to save these sick people over here, by robbing and killing a rich guy |
| 04:28.19 | ArcanePariah | Sure its nice but the method leaves much to be desired |
| 04:28.47 | Bounty | Depends on the ends |
| 04:28.56 | Bounty | example |
| 04:29.32 | ArcanePariah | Although I've only bee around mapmaking for less then a year, has fockewulf always been as nasty as he has been as of late, acting holier then thou? |
| 04:29.33 | Bounty | If I was given the option to wipe out 1 million people to guarantee peace and prosperity to all humans until the end of time after that, I would do it. |
| 04:29.42 | Bounty | Yes |
| 04:29.50 | Bounty | He has contacted me multiple times |
| 04:29.59 | Bounty | Attempting to work with me |
| 04:30.07 | Triceron | wait as of late? |
| 04:30.09 | Triceron | he's still aorund? |
| 04:30.20 | ArcanePariah | Yes, he posts under his 2nd bnet account |
| 04:30.20 | Bounty | and attempting to claim that he had a hand in some of my games development |
| 04:30.24 | Bounty | not anytime soon |
| 04:30.40 | Bounty | but I also have not been in the loop for attleast 6 months |
| 04:30.45 | ArcanePariah | He shoots his mouth off anytime something arcade related shows up on bnet |
| 04:30.46 | Bounty | since I have taken this job |
| 04:30.51 | Bounty | Yeah |
| 04:30.58 | Bounty | Hes like me only on crack |
| 04:31.04 | Bounty | Way overboard lol |
| 04:33.42 | ArcanePariah | For example, when Blizzard did the first arcade workshop about 2 weeks back, and they had the forum thread for people to give feed back to the mapmaker, he posted in it saying "Document the entire data editor". Which of course is not even remotely relevant to he actual map being discussed... |
| 04:33.42 | ArcanePariah | I'm not really sure why he was so venomous, it is like he thought his vision of how things should be should be shared by Blizzard.... talk about arrogance, no matter how true or false such vision is |
| 04:33.43 | ArcanePariah | ... Also, given that you 2 (Bounty, Triceron) have been around a while, I take it FockeWulf has been an ass on sc2mapster since day 1? |
| 04:34.05 | Triceron | fairly early on. Dunno about day 1, but prolly close to |
| 04:34.18 | Triceron | he's been around since 2010 when I joined |
| 04:35.34 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... sometimes I think Blizzard is either crazy or brilliant, because at this time, only level headed (for the most part) people remain. Bluntly, having talented but arrogant developers = bad juju |
| 04:35.40 | Bounty | I don't claim to be a better person than him though |
| 04:35.50 | Bounty | I'm just as bad |
| 04:35.56 | Bounty | Look at our previous discussions |
| 04:35.57 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:36.09 | Triceron | I'll claim to be a better person than him |
| 04:36.15 | ArcanePariah | All star coders are sometimes useful, but like any other major endeavor nowadays, a competant team player is far more valuable |
| 04:36.16 | Bounty | Hes just, way more vocal and adamant about it |
| 04:36.16 | Triceron | <- no shame |
| 04:37.02 | Bounty | I am glad we had that discussion though, learned a lot about myself from a friggin IRC channel |
| 04:37.06 | Bounty | :) |
| 04:37.28 | Bounty | Heres a question for you guys |
| 04:37.39 | ArcanePariah | I too would claim to be at least more rational and level headed then him. Might be an age thing... I'm 26, Bounty is 31, Tricerion, I'm going to guess you are mid to late 20's as well, whereas Fockwulf is just getting out college, so 22 at most |
| 04:38.02 | ArcanePariah | I look back at my early 20's and wonder why I was such a dumbass at times |
| 04:38.07 | Bounty | Our minds are supposedly capable of such great thing yes? Why can't we change a flaw within ourselves that we consciously know is present. |
| 04:38.15 | Triceron | 31 as well |
| 04:38.20 | Bounty | 28 here |
| 04:38.38 | Triceron | but I look 20, haha |
| 04:38.45 | ArcanePariah | Bounty: Because... to change some flaws requires changing the context, ie, change who we are |
| 04:38.46 | Bounty | I look 16 |
| 04:38.51 | Bounty | Right there with ya |
| 04:39.03 | ArcanePariah | Funny enough, for a long time people always thought me older then I was |
| 04:39.11 | Bounty | Yeah but the way I think about it is efficiency |
| 04:39.32 | ArcanePariah | Probably because I grew a beard fairly early on (17) and also I'm big (6 ft and broad shouldered) |
| 04:39.42 | Bounty | We can consciously not to kill someone when we feel we want to, but we cannot make the same decision to altar our personalities for the better |
| 04:39.46 | Bounty | to me that seems primitive. |
| 04:39.52 | ArcanePariah | Which I wish I could trade my damm beard away... shaving is an annoyance.... |
| 04:40.17 | Triceron | I still can't grow a beard :P |
| 04:40.21 | Bounty | Make sense? |
| 04:40.24 | Triceron | I get 4 stray hairs |
| 04:40.29 | Triceron | that I have to trim once a week |
| 04:40.36 | ArcanePariah | ... damm you |
| 04:40.36 | Bounty | Or is this that supposed engineer within coming out? lol |
| 04:40.38 | ArcanePariah | XD |
| 04:40.40 | Bounty | I haz no beard |
| 04:40.43 | Bounty | If I let it grow |
| 04:40.47 | Bounty | I look like i'm french |
| 04:40.51 | Bounty | or an artist |
| 04:40.52 | Triceron | most I get is pervert mustache |
| 04:40.53 | ArcanePariah | I have to shave every other day at least |
| 04:40.59 | Bounty | same |
| 04:41.01 | Bounty | but |
| 04:41.07 | Triceron | and a bit of a soul patch |
| 04:41.08 | Bounty | my facial hair caps out at creepy |
| 04:41.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:41.18 | Bounty | in terms of length |
| 04:41.21 | Triceron | yeah |
| 04:41.26 | Triceron | 13 yr old pubey |
| 04:41.30 | Bounty | yeah |
| 04:41.35 | Bounty | sucks |
| 04:41.42 | Bounty | You have no choice but to shave at that point |
| 04:41.45 | Bounty | >.< |
| 04:41.49 | Triceron | I hope this is paining a nice picture for you ArcanePariah |
| 04:42.01 | ArcanePariah | hehe |
| 04:42.22 | Bounty | Oh shit |
| 04:42.29 | Bounty | I got a nice discussion topic for you guys |
| 04:42.31 | Bounty | Aliens |
| 04:42.39 | Bounty | I think they're here, you? |
| 04:42.52 | ArcanePariah | Define "Alien" first |
| 04:42.59 | Bounty | Oh cmon |
| 04:43.05 | Bounty | You know i'm not talking about mexicans |
| 04:43.07 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:43.19 | Bounty | ET's |
| 04:43.28 | Triceron | I read recently |
| 04:43.32 | ArcanePariah | No, I'm serious. For example, we thought only oxygen based life could exist on earth and we were proven wrong |
| 04:43.35 | Bounty | I think they're already here or they never will be |
| 04:43.46 | Bounty | Intelligent life |
| 04:43.47 | ArcanePariah | So in a sense, the sulfer based life we found was alien to us |
| 04:43.49 | Bounty | visiting earth |
| 04:43.53 | Bounty | is what i'm talking about |
| 04:43.57 | Bounty | I think they're already here |
| 04:43.59 | Triceron | NASA figured out that there's like, 88 million planets circling stars that have 'habitable conditions' similar to earth |
| 04:44.07 | Triceron | *billion |
| 04:44.08 | Bounty | I read that Triceron |
| 04:44.17 | Bounty | did you also see the UFO disclosure hearing? |
| 04:44.23 | Triceron | which one? |
| 04:44.25 | ArcanePariah | Possibly, but for that to be possible would require a different kind of physics that we do not understand |
| 04:44.27 | Bounty | any of them lol |
| 04:44.31 | Bounty | they all say the same thing |
| 04:44.46 | Bounty | that matches perfectly with what people were saying 10 years ago, only those people were killed |
| 04:44.49 | Triceron | dunno |
| 04:45.11 | Bounty | I got into that argument recently Arcane |
| 04:45.16 | Triceron | I've heard of the Former Minister of Defense of Canada talking about UFO's |
| 04:45.17 | ArcanePariah | Anyhow, latest earning call by Activision, WoW holding steady, Hearthstone headed to open beta, D3 sold 14 million+ copies with PS4 version out next year |
| 04:45.21 | Bounty | when i was proposing ideas for perpetual motion machines |
| 04:45.23 | Triceron | and he's like a super old fart |
| 04:45.38 | Bounty | Yeah I saw that one Triceron |
| 04:45.41 | Triceron | I have no reason to doubt old farts |
| 04:45.42 | Bounty | also |
| 04:45.48 | Bounty | multiple governments have come out about it |
| 04:45.57 | Bounty | urging the US to release their files as well |
| 04:46.23 | Triceron | no Heroes news yet >_< |
| 04:46.25 | Bounty | To me, I think this should be the most pushed issue of our generation |
| 04:46.28 | Triceron | I just wanna know when that goes in beta |
| 04:46.44 | Triceron | so I can grab them sweet sweet models |
| 04:46.53 | ArcanePariah | Oh Heroes will have showcase at Blizzcon |
| 04:47.00 | Bounty | grrr |
| 04:47.00 | ArcanePariah | So at least you will get to see the goods |
| 04:47.08 | Bounty | Why do I get the urge to slap people |
| 04:47.09 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:47.19 | Bounty | Like how is Blizzcon more important of a topic? :) |
| 04:47.23 | Bounty | example |
| 04:47.36 | ArcanePariah | Because I happen to glance at my Dfans news feed? |
| 04:47.37 | Bounty | Lets say right now, the US government announced that ET's were visiting us. |
| 04:47.40 | Triceron | cuz it's like in 2 days |
| 04:47.48 | ArcanePariah | That too |
| 04:47.51 | Bounty | I know |
| 04:47.53 | Bounty | ignore me haha |
| 04:48.07 | Bounty | We've already confirmed I have that mindset |
| 04:48.08 | Bounty | >.< |
| 04:48.13 | Triceron | I dont know why I even stay around tho. |
| 04:48.13 | ArcanePariah | The issue is, right now, the US government is highly distrusted |
| 04:48.19 | Triceron | I should really jump onto the DOTA 2 bandwagon |
| 04:48.25 | Triceron | and actually make some money for my models. |
| 04:48.30 | Bounty | I agree Arcane |
| 04:48.34 | Bounty | but |
| 04:48.41 | Bounty | This is how I pitch it to non believers |
| 04:48.44 | ArcanePariah | Triceron: Possibly, it is lucrative |
| 04:49.03 | Bounty | dinosaurs were around 65 million years ago and lets assume that was this planets first attempt at dominate life |
| 04:49.04 | Triceron | I could use the income |
| 04:49.05 | Bounty | yes? |
| 04:49.14 | ArcanePariah | Mind you, its kind of like sports teams: Most of the team makes meh money, and only a few make big |
| 04:49.25 | Triceron | not if you were talking to creationists! |
| 04:49.31 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:49.35 | Triceron | world's only 8000 yrs old! |
| 04:49.36 | Bounty | ill take that as a yes |
| 04:49.39 | Bounty | anyways! |
| 04:49.42 | Triceron | :P |
| 04:49.42 | Bounty | so, to ME |
| 04:49.46 | Bounty | given the numbers |
| 04:50.00 | ArcanePariah | If you are planning to do so, I would encourage you to either make HUD's or Couriers, because both tend to be more valued since they are universal items |
| 04:50.23 | Bounty | that means 65 millions years ago, at least within a million years give or take there most likely was another planets attempt at life that did not result in giant lizards |
| 04:50.31 | Bounty | and again, to ME |
| 04:50.41 | Bounty | if it is possible to travel the vast distances of space |
| 04:50.46 | Triceron | my problem is I don't know their tools well |
| 04:50.55 | Bounty | then they most likely have way better means of detecting life than we do |
| 04:51.07 | Bounty | so thats why I assert that either they are here now or they never will be |
| 04:51.11 | Bounty | its a yes no question to me |
| 04:51.14 | Triceron | I tried during the beta, but they don't have a SDK for DOTA2. It uses CSGO or Alien Swarm, and it's awkward to test anything |
| 04:51.48 | ArcanePariah | Triceron: Ehh??? That's odd, in the client there is the workshop, I thought it would be easy to dive in |
| 04:52.09 | Triceron | the workshop is full of methods and it's a great resource |
| 04:52.24 | Triceron | but when it gets to actual development and testing, tehre doesn't seem to be a concrete method |
| 04:52.39 | Triceron | either that or I'm missing something |
| 04:53.00 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... well here's the workship website, which I assume you've been to before |
| 04:53.01 | ArcanePariah | http://www.dota2.com/workshop/ |
| 04:53.05 | Triceron | yep |
| 04:53.09 | Triceron | I've made models already |
| 04:53.12 | Triceron | I just can't test em |
| 04:53.28 | Triceron | the final step is 'Send your files to Valve!' |
| 04:53.31 | ArcanePariah | Oh I see, yeah, no SDK, have to use Alien swarm to test... |
| 04:53.36 | ArcanePariah | da hell... |
| 04:53.46 | Triceron | it completely omits the whole 'test to see what your model actually would look like in game' |
| 04:54.00 | ArcanePariah | So their idea of testing is blindly submitting them for review... lol wut? |
| 04:54.05 | Triceron | if you do want to, you don't actually put it in DOTA2, you put it in anotehr game completely |
| 04:54.17 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, talk about not very helpful |
| 04:54.22 | Triceron | that's what I don't understand. I prolly need to find someone and actually ask |
| 04:54.40 | ArcanePariah | Basically you need something like the cutscene editor for dota |
| 04:54.43 | Triceron | but most resources say 'CSGO' or 'Alien Swarm' SDKs |
| 04:54.50 | Triceron | yeah |
| 04:54.54 | Triceron | if they had that, I'm all over it |
| 04:55.05 | ArcanePariah | To actually preview and see how the actual game engine handles what you've built |
| 04:55.16 | Triceron | otherwise.. I'm not submitting something that I made look nice in my 3D app, but might look complete shit in game. |
| 04:55.20 | ArcanePariah | I take it then, cutscene editor makes it trivial for you to debut your models? |
| 04:55.23 | ArcanePariah | debug* |
| 04:55.37 | Bounty | dude not trying to start an argument but look at this article |
| 04:55.38 | Triceron | previewer option in Startools is a godsend |
| 04:55.39 | ArcanePariah | I've dabbled a bit in it, and it seemed pretty comprehensive |
| 04:55.42 | Bounty | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-06/don-t-believe-in-aliens-maybe-you-re-the-crazy-one.html |
| 04:55.47 | Bounty | and look at the first comment |
| 04:56.01 | Bounty | Because it's not about life. It's about intelligent life. We are intelligent, because Lucifer gave us knowledge of good and evil. While this religious metaphor is simply that, we need to recognize that our existence - is not happenstance - and even less so our intelligence. While we disagree on many details, our creation was not arbitrary under every belief from Judaism, Islam, and Christianity, to Hinduism, Buddhism, and spiritu |
| 04:56.08 | Triceron | loads up cutscene editor and lets you do modifications in 3ds Max on the fly |
| 04:56.28 | ArcanePariah | I like the random Lucifer references |
| 04:56.49 | Bounty | yeah |
| 04:56.51 | Triceron | I had an opposite effect, it irked me |
| 04:56.53 | Bounty | me to, like wtf? |
| 04:56.55 | ArcanePariah | Wait, Triceron, you saying with startools you can do live changes in 3ds max and see them in cutscene editor? |
| 04:56.58 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:57.05 | Triceron | well, close to live |
| 04:57.27 | ArcanePariah | Still, you're right, that's pretty slick |
| 04:57.30 | Bounty | Have you guys ever heard that phone call someone from Area 51 made? |
| 04:57.51 | ArcanePariah | Nope, but I do remember shooting the place up in an arcade :P |
| 04:58.01 | ArcanePariah | God that was fun... |
| 04:58.06 | Bounty | Just saw this video today http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87PRVP4EQAo |
| 04:58.20 | Bounty | Don't recall if it has epic music or not but still a good watch/listen |
| 04:58.26 | Bounty | especially the phone call part |
| 04:58.28 | Triceron | you pretty much hit 'preview' and it updates in cutscene editor without having to commit anything. you can have files sourced randomly on your hard drive and it just shows you exactly how it should be seen in game |
| 04:59.01 | ArcanePariah | Damm nice, so you can make changes, see how they turn out, then roll back or save as needed? |
| 04:59.13 | Triceron | yep |
| 04:59.22 | ArcanePariah | Without ever having to load up sc2 itself? |
| 04:59.25 | Triceron | it's saved me a ton of time testing shaders and texturing |
| 04:59.31 | Triceron | yep |
| 04:59.37 | Triceron | well technically it's loading up SC2 |
| 04:59.44 | Triceron | um, SC2 editor |
| 05:00.01 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, editor obviously but you don't have to test in game at all and load up the entire sc2 game |
| 05:00.02 | Triceron | but so far it seems CSE is the same as in game |
| 05:00.37 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, it is, CSE seems to give you enomours control, but then again, its the CUTSCENE editor :p |
| 05:00.54 | Triceron | I don't disbelieve in aliens, but I don't have a solid belief in any one type that people seem to talk about |
| 05:01.25 | Triceron | I guess I can say I remain agnostic about aliens, will really believe it when I see them, and not just dead bodies which *could* be real |
| 05:01.53 | Triceron | tbh I have a stronger belief in ghosts than I do about aliens |
| 05:04.28 | Bounty | The phone call in that video is creepy as fuck |
| 05:04.40 | Bounty | Because I've heard multiple stories that match what that random dude said lol |
| 05:05.11 | Bounty | About other civilizations telling us to beware of a certain species |
| 05:05.14 | Bounty | just saying |
| 05:05.18 | Bounty | interesting shit |
| 05:08.40 | Bounty | I wish people were not so full of shit by default so I could watch alien/ufo videos without having to look for CGI |
| 05:08.41 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:10.23 | Triceron | Alex Jones has made me very jaded about UFO talk |
| 05:10.51 | Bounty | I have no listened to him for a looong time |
| 05:10.55 | Bounty | what has he said? |
| 05:13.49 | Triceron | I just don't like Alex Jones, haha |
| 05:14.28 | Triceron | He's like the televangelist of UFO (and generally non-UFO) conspiracy theories |
| 05:16.14 | Bounty | He runs with ALL conspiracies |
| 05:16.18 | Bounty | That is his problem |
| 05:16.23 | Bounty | and it ruins his credibility |
| 05:16.33 | Triceron | and leaves a bad taste in my mouth |
| 05:17.07 | Bounty | yeah |
| 05:17.31 | Bounty | thats the taste of conformity on the other spectrum lol |
| 05:17.41 | Bounty | Make sense? |
| 05:18.05 | Triceron | of course |
| 05:18.48 | Bounty | I had an interesting experience today btw |
| 05:18.51 | Bounty | to me at least |
| 05:19.37 | Bounty | I thought to myself in my mind, basically telling the ET's to meet me outside and I showed them my location in my head. I went outside and took my song for a walk and I kept hearing this extremely heavy bass sound coming from the same position in the sky |
| 05:19.47 | Bounty | Could have been anything but there was nothing in the sky |
| 05:19.56 | Bounty | I thought it was interesting |
| 05:20.06 | Bounty | Happened 5 times as we went around the block |
| 05:20.19 | Bounty | all from the same area |
| 05:20.57 | Triceron | it's probably your government field testing their sonic satellite weaponry |
| 05:22.19 | Bounty | who knows |
| 05:22.22 | Bounty | haha |
| 05:22.27 | Bounty | I just thought it was interesting |
| 05:22.47 | Bounty | because thats how people claim to get contact, and I did it during the day |
| 05:23.07 | Bounty | was not a vehicle because there was nothing in the sky and it overpowered motorcycles driving by |
| 05:23.13 | Bounty | weird shit |
| 05:37.13 | Bounty | Can I ask you guys a question ArcanePariah and Triceron |
| 05:37.33 | Bounty | Can stars in the sky just vanish and appear in a separate part of the sky? |
| 05:40.19 | *** join/#sc2mapster Thenarden (~Miranda@HSI-KBW-078-043-227-063.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 06:16.13 | grim002 | horry for spending all day working with the reflection API |
| 07:07.41 | *** join/#sc2mapster kingTD (~Administr@78-60-26-40.static.zebra.lt) |
| 07:08.32 | *** join/#sc2mapster duckies (50e88a7e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.232.138.126) |
| 07:11.02 | *** join/#sc2mapster ElectricPrism (~Loren@unaffiliated/electricprism) |
| 07:16.15 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bibendus (Bibendus@ip-80-249-36-63.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) |
| 07:22.11 | *** join/#sc2mapster G0A (~hookah604@91.82.176.247.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 07:55.12 | *** join/#sc2mapster turtles1 (~dave3@d27-99-28-51.bla802.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 07:55.32 | turtles1 | a few dialog questions |
| 07:55.58 | turtles1 | is it possible to set the render priority? by defualt it seems to be dependant on the order the dialogs were created |
| 07:56.49 | turtles1 | also is there a way to click buttons on a dialog item if there is another item with higher priority over the top of the button? |
| 07:57.03 | turtles1 | Thanks mapsterteers! |
| 08:57.43 | G0A | turtles1 dialog item render priority... |
| 08:58.23 | G0A | I am not sure that how overlapping dialog buttons work if they are clicked. |
| 09:01.14 | turtles1 | G0A: sorry, I phrased it wrong |
| 09:01.24 | turtles1 | I meant dialog render priority |
| 09:01.40 | turtles1 | dialog item render priority only effects items within the one dialog |
| 09:01.57 | turtles1 | there doesn't appear to be an equivalent function for dialogs |
| 09:03.10 | turtles1 | and can you have a transparent dialog over another one such that any mouse events get processed on the dialog underneath |
| 09:04.18 | turtles1 | I realized that second question is probably a "no". So I've started rewritting stuff under the assumption you can't |
| 09:05.12 | turtles1 | which is a pity. But maybe I'm asking for too much to hope that it would let you |
| 09:07.56 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zolden (~a@88.135.0.21) |
| 09:08.26 | Zolden | i have a mapmaking question |
| 09:10.31 | Zolden | unit has an effect-target transient autocast abil with 360', nothing shuold stop the guy from using it, but it can only use it between target aquires. So, if it attacks an enemy, it won't use the abil until that guy dies |
| 09:10.45 | Zolden | but I'd like the abil to be used even while attacking |
| 09:12.01 | ArcanePariah | Zolden: Is this AI? |
| 09:12.14 | ArcanePariah | or just normal ability with a player controlled unit |
| 09:13.06 | Zolden | normal ability |
| 09:14.08 | Zolden | units won't control units though, but it's not ai, just issued attack move |
| 09:14.21 | Zolden | *players won't |
| 09:17.10 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... well if you are directly ordering an attack in a script, then yeah, it won't use auto cast abilites |
| 09:17.16 | ArcanePariah | At least I don't think it will |
| 09:19.00 | ArcanePariah | Actually, try the Re-excutable flag |
| 09:21.47 | Zolden | re-executable didn't help |
| 09:24.56 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... are the attack commands direct attack at a target or attack moves? |
| 09:25.49 | Zolden | attack moves in queue |
| 09:29.35 | ArcanePariah | AHh, does the units have scan move? |
| 09:31.28 | Zolden | dunno, where to check it? |
| 09:33.06 | Zolden | btw, found something: the unit i'm talking about will pursue the first target if it was moved away of range even if there are targets within range. Another unit will just switch to another target if the first one moved away. And this second unit does use his abil (it's effect instant abil, though) |
| 09:45.17 | Zolden | omg, I think I got it |
| 09:45.40 | Zolden | the abil the unit uses has issue order part, and it rewrites the queue |
| 09:47.17 | Zolden | so, I want to issue order "before existing orders" in data, is it possible? |
| 09:47.57 | ArcanePariah | For issue order effect, should be |
| 09:48.29 | Zolden | can't find it :) |
| 09:48.31 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, you want to set both Queued and Preempt Flag |
| 09:49.03 | ArcanePariah | Queued means it will be added to order queue instead of overwriting it, and preempt means, do it first before all others (add to the front) |
| 09:49.35 | Zolden | and where shoudl i set those flags? |
| 09:49.49 | Zolden | oh, fuck, found |
| 09:50.54 | ArcanePariah | That work? |
| 09:51.50 | Zolden | yes, but now the abil jsut doesn't work like intended |
| 09:52.43 | *** join/#sc2mapster Delphinium (jifengxian@60.166.127.83) |
| 09:52.58 | *** join/#sc2mapster EmperorZolden (~a@88.135.0.21) |
| 09:53.47 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zolden_ (~a@88.135.0.21) |
| 09:53.53 | Zolden_ | <Zolden> yes, but now the abil jsut doesn't work like intended |
| 09:53.54 | Zolden_ | <Zolden> abil idea: a unit got some bonus damage (anger) and randomly attacks different targets around him |
| 09:53.54 | Zolden_ | <Zolden> so it switches to another target after each next attack |
| 09:53.56 | *** join/#sc2mapster Kueken (~Kueken@brsg-4dbb10fd.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 09:54.19 | Zolden_ | but with a queue it works differently |
| 09:54.24 | Zolden_ | just queues units |
| 09:59.55 | Zolden_ | so, probably, the new attack command issue order should work as attack move works (allow to cast autocasts), but be target to a unit, instead of point |
| 10:00.04 | ArcanePariah | Ok |
| 10:00.09 | ArcanePariah | Here's how I would do it then |
| 10:03.38 | ArcanePariah | Have the behavior that gives the bonus damage also have a damage response, set to attacker, that applies a hidden behavior. Also have the bonus damage behavior have a periodic effect that runs a search area effect, and excludes those with the hidden behavior. Then set the target sorts to request 1 target, and set the target sort to TSRandom (its a a built in one) so thatr it is a random... |
| 10:03.40 | ArcanePariah | ...target. Then run the attack order, issuing the order to the caster, and targeting the target |
| 10:03.58 | ArcanePariah | Actually, ignore the hidden behavior part |
| 10:04.06 | ArcanePariah | the target sort should do the trick |
| 10:05.49 | Kueken | that sounds complicated |
| 10:05.55 | Kueken | whats the design? |
| 10:07.16 | ArcanePariah | He wants to have a behavior give bonus damage to a unit, then attack targets at random around him |
| 10:07.24 | Zolden_ | yea, behavior on target that blocks the attack is a possible solution |
| 10:07.39 | Zolden_ | Kueken anger attack, like in Commando movie |
| 10:07.51 | ArcanePariah | Well, if you just want randomized targets, the target sort thing will work fine |
| 10:08.00 | ArcanePariah | No need for the behavior |
| 10:08.01 | Zolden_ | unit switches target after each weapon use |
| 10:08.13 | ArcanePariah | Oh |
| 10:08.16 | ArcanePariah | IN that case |
| 10:08.23 | ArcanePariah | Have the search effect be the damage response effect |
| 10:08.36 | ArcanePariah | So any time it inflicts damage, it will run the search and attack a new target |
| 10:09.04 | Zolden_ | search runs issue order? |
| 10:09.09 | Kueken | (which only works for instant damage weapons and no damage over time) |
| 10:09.36 | ArcanePariah | Zolden Yes |
| 10:10.17 | ArcanePariah | And set caster as unit to receive order, and target as target of order |
| 10:10.34 | Zolden_ | I have search running issue order, and it creates the situation: if i order to attack a unit instead of attack move, the unit won't use his autocasted abil anymore |
| 10:11.11 | ArcanePariah | What is the auto casted ability? |
| 10:11.18 | Kueken | ^ |
| 10:11.39 | Zolden_ | unit has an effect-target transient autocast abil with 360', nothing shuold stop the guy from using it, but it can only use it between target aquires |
| 10:11.47 | ArcanePariah | Ahh, here's what you need zolden, use augment ability |
| 10:12.03 | Zolden_ | what is it |
| 10:12.22 | ArcanePariah | See Zealot charge |
| 10:12.49 | ArcanePariah | It does an effect with target set to caster (so effect instant, but can be others) then issues a command |
| 10:12.54 | Kueken | then it only uses it on attack, though |
| 10:13.02 | ArcanePariah | It can any ability |
| 10:13.20 | Kueken | but not when just standing around |
| 10:14.12 | ArcanePariah | Sure it can |
| 10:14.18 | ArcanePariah | it can be autocasted with filters |
| 10:14.45 | ArcanePariah | Its a combined ability/effect ability, letting you issue an order and run an effect at the same time |
| 10:15.07 | Zolden_ | so, augment will work even if the unit has order to directly attack a unit? |
| 10:15.28 | Kueken | it only works if the unit has an order, though |
| 10:15.42 | ArcanePariah | Yes, what it does is run an effect (your auto cast ability in this case) and then issues order to do any ability on that unit |
| 10:15.47 | ArcanePariah | Attack in this case |
| 10:16.07 | Kueken | or rather, it will issue the order alongside the ability |
| 10:16.17 | ArcanePariah | Correct |
| 10:16.24 | Kueken | with no way of just executing the ability without the order |
| 10:16.26 | Zolden_ | in my case it's what I need: my initial abil should only happen when the unit has target aquired and can turn himself into the rage mode |
| 10:16.51 | Kueken | in that case, augment could work |
| 10:16.51 | ArcanePariah | THen yeah, augment is indeed it, set to autocast, run effect, and attack |
| 10:18.04 | Zolden_ | what if this abil's cooldown happen after the order issued? will it still be executed? |
| 10:18.21 | Zolden_ | i mean cooldown time finishes after the order to attack issued |
| 10:18.51 | ArcanePariah | Well, the augment is a seperate ability all to its own |
| 10:19.26 | ArcanePariah | Wait... I'm not sure I understood the question |
| 10:20.34 | Zolden_ | example: charge is at cooldown, you order a zealot to attack, it's runnig to its target, cooldown finishes -> will it charge immediately? |
| 10:20.41 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 10:20.44 | Zolden_ | ok |
| 10:22.41 | Zolden_ | but first i'll try another approach, that maybe will solve this better |
| 10:24.03 | Zolden_ | will a unit in autoattack mode immediately aquire different target if weapon's first effect's validator forbids to attack the target? |
| 10:24.22 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
| 10:24.27 | Zolden_ | good |
| 10:24.35 | ArcanePariah | Has to be the first effect, Jade called it root validation |
| 10:24.43 | Zolden_ | best solution is to make the unit switch targets without issuing orders at all |
| 10:25.24 | ArcanePariah | In that case, as little as I understand it, markers are the best option |
| 10:25.42 | ArcanePariah | Though I am not certain of that |
| 10:25.52 | ArcanePariah | Let me do some experiments |
| 10:25.58 | Zolden_ | i think we can't change markers based on behaviors |
| 10:26.09 | Zolden_ | don't, i see the solution clearly |
| 10:26.44 | Zolden_ | a behavior with 0.0625 duration that will fail validator should work |
| 10:29.57 | Zolden_ | just one question: can a validator that requires a target to have 0 behaviors of a certain kind, only consider the behaviors that were applied by the caster? |
| 10:31.17 | kingTD | how possible to store target unit with data on unit? And use it in later data things (back to fix custom gathering, so returning the cargo and then return to the same gathered resource stash) |
| 10:35.11 | Zolden_ | Kueken maybe you know an answer to the question from my previous message? |
| 10:35.57 | Zolden_ | kingTD maybe oredr queue? return, then gather back (queued) |
| 10:36.19 | kingTD | hmm that may work, will try that |
| 10:51.29 | Kueken | Zolden_: not sure, it might be possible, but I wouldn't know how |
| 10:51.37 | Kueken | triggers can do it, though |
| 10:59.36 | Zolden_ | ok, it's solved by applying a short blocking behavior, thanks for assistance, guys |
| 11:00.11 | ArcanePariah | No problem |
| 11:08.46 | kingTD | well that doesnt really work since I have link to other ability to return cargo and it makes searching so there is no real window where to fit the issue order to go back to gathering. |
| 11:14.05 | Zolden_ | I want critters to have life bar too, where to set it? |
| 11:17.44 | *** join/#sc2mapster Otixa (Otixa@trill-laptop.varna.net) |
| 11:18.12 | Zolden_ | targets Otixa with a blster |
| 11:18.15 | Zolden_ | gimme all your models! |
| 11:18.39 | Otixa | noe |
| 11:20.00 | Zolden_ | cocks the blaster with a typical threatening sound |
| 11:20.12 | Zolden_ | we're not playing games here |
| 11:20.21 | Otixa | burps |
| 11:20.28 | kingTD | zolden actor ui |
| 11:22.11 | Zolden_ | kingTD what field? |
| 11:22.39 | kingTD | FieldSpawning Pool Z |
| 11:22.39 | kingTD | UI: Status Bar Flags +Shields, Life, Energy, Cargo, Progress, Duration, Magazine, Workers, Custom |
| 11:23.03 | Zolden_ | it has all checked |
| 11:23.17 | Zolden_ | and height/offset aren't 0 |
| 11:24.52 | Zolden_ | oh, found, it's status bar groups |
| 11:34.08 | *** join/#sc2mapster Raziel (Raziel@2a01:388:201:4190:219d:7423:aeee:5a75) |
| 15:42.19 | *** join/#sc2mapster purl (~purl@rikers.org) |
| 15:42.20 | *** topic/#sc2mapster is http://sc2mapster.com | sc2mapster bnet2 channel | WCS Partnership for eSports g0g0! | We want your broken maps! http://bit.ly/aU9AgC | This channel is logged, via purl |
| 15:42.22 | Zolden | wow |
| 15:42.33 | Zolden | put it to the museum immediately |
| 15:43.07 | Fate_ | u smell a bit sarcastic right now |
| 15:44.20 | Zolden | sarcasm would be too much in this situation |
| 15:44.52 | Fate_ | :P |
| 15:45.02 | Zolden | like saying "your outfit is just perfect" to a guy who came to holocost memory party in hitler's costume |
| 15:45.05 | Kueken | its Zoldonie |
| 15:45.24 | Kueken | Zoldism? |
| 15:45.36 | Fate_ | Zoldonism |
| 15:45.39 | Zolden | zoldasm |
| 15:59.51 | *** join/#sc2mapster duckies (4d26cd7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.38.205.122) |
| 16:15.37 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tomura (~Tomura@HSI-KBW-149-172-117-81.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 16:21.37 | *** part/#sc2mapster turtles1 (~dave3@d27-99-28-51.bla802.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 17:16.05 | Zolden | penis |
| 17:19.50 | Bommes | helloeh |
| 17:26.25 | kingTD | vagina |
| 17:27.15 | Bommes | ... is nowhere to be found in this channel. |
| 17:27.38 | Bommes | statistically speaking, it's just improbable. |
| 17:42.21 | Zolden | so kingTD lied to us? |
| 17:43.01 | kingTD | but it exist in other universe |
| 17:46.28 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zandose (Zandose@24-246-78-228.cable.teksavvy.com) |
| 17:47.30 | Zandose | hey. which setting in the cameras data do i change to make the yaw update itself with a smaller increment instead of the normal 15ish? |
| 18:01.21 | Ahli | http://cmd.fm/ online radio jade might like |
| 18:03.08 | *** join/#sc2mapster allstars (5796a27c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.150.162.124) |
| 18:04.24 | allstars | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.21 | Zolden | allstars they will share all assets with us, 100% info |
| 18:06.52 | allstars | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.12 | allstars | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.12 | Zolden | i can't give you a link to my dreams |
| 18:09.50 | duckies | they said all their maps would be available for community >.> |
| 18:10.21 | duckies | and it's probably still sc2 based |
| 18:10.57 | allstars | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.00 | duckies | but yea, all info about that s ~2 years old :D |
| 18:11.22 | duckies | so what happened? |
| 18:11.30 | Zolden | just 24 hours moew |
| 18:11.49 | Ahli | 25+ |
| 18:11.49 | Zolden | *just wait 24 hours more |
| 18:11.56 | Zolden | *25 |
| 18:11.58 | allstars | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.08 | allstars | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.52 | allstars | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.09 | allstars | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.26 | duckies | well, featured sc2 maps are also f2p, since they only need starter edition |
| 18:13.38 | duckies | but meh, we'll know better in a few days |
| 18:13.50 | duckies | no need to worry and speculate needlessly now :/ |
| 18:15.12 | Zandose | im moving a unit. i have two variables i use, one for where a unit should be moving to (Position), and another for how much speed/movement/momentum (Drift). whenever I want to move more i add this to drift and drift will add this to position. to decrease the movement of the unit i decrease the amount of drift so it adds less to position each time. I want to know how to apply gravity (a |
| 18:15.13 | Zandose | simple gravity pullinf you downwards to the ground) and the effects of wind or drag force. |
| 18:15.13 | allstars | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.14 | duckies | meh, blizzcon looks so boring this year, only 1h of relevant to me info :s |
| 18:16.32 | *** join/#sc2mapster ArcanePariah (~ArcanePar@99-8-167-11.lightspeed.futnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 18:16.56 | allstars | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.58 | allstars | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.06 | *** join/#sc2mapster Dzuke911 (86115140@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.17.81.64) |
| 18:36.34 | G0A | Zolden Bitcoin is over 300 :D |
| 18:37.55 | Zandose | if you have a unit with a movment speed of one and you tell it to move from x0y0 to x1y0 and from x0y0 to x1y1 will the unit move to the x1y1 in the same amount of time as x1y0? |
| 18:40.21 | kingTD | no |
| 18:40.42 | Zandose | does moving at a angle instead of a stright line take more time? |
| 18:40.56 | Zandose | i assume the distance is the same just a different angle |
| 18:41.56 | kingTD | how to remove " current harvesters: " text on the resrouce ? |
| 18:43.03 | kingTD | i magine as x0y0 would be center and now around it draw a cyrcle |
| 18:43.19 | kingTD | *circle |
| 18:43.29 | Zandose | yah |
| 18:44.22 | Zolden | G0A insane |
| 18:45.12 | Zolden | Zandose sqrt(2) |
| 18:45.32 | Zandose | 300bc must require a lot of computer power huh? |
| 18:46.08 | Dustin | Zandose, wat |
| 18:46.37 | Zandose | i was under the impression which you "mined" for bitcoin by using your computers cpu |
| 18:46.52 | Dustin | Ya |
| 18:47.04 | Dustin | He was saying a Bitcoin is worth over $300 now |
| 18:47.12 | Zandose | oh |
| 18:47.21 | Zandose | i thought he made 300 bc |
| 18:47.52 | Dustin | Oh no, that would take a lot of power or a badass pool |
| 18:48.24 | Dustin | cause that's $90,000 |
| 18:48.55 | Bommes | duckies: I think they already said a couple of months ago that blizzard allstars will be sc2 independent |
| 18:48.56 | Zandose | break time |
| 18:49.41 | Bommes | they probably just use the editor for it and modified it so it runs on another client |
| 18:49.53 | Bommes | so technically it might be easy to convert it into an sc2map? |
| 18:50.08 | Bommes | guess we will find out when it comes out |
| 18:51.10 | kingTD | still they may restrict the usage of the models or some shit like with the HotS. |
| 18:52.47 | duckies | well bommes, you've just managed to make me even less enthusiastic about blizzcon =D |
| 18:54.28 | duckies | I guess it compensates a little interest generated by leaked d3 blizzcon preview video that I watched, so it's all fair :D |
| 18:54.49 | Bommes | They won't use a completely new .mpq system to store their assets and stuff though, so it shouldn't be hard at all to use them |
| 18:55.28 | Bommes | maybe they even include them into a .SC2Mod since they probably used the SC2ArtTools to make them and commiting them through that automatically includes them into a mod file |
| 18:55.38 | duckies | I just hope that they won't be mean and release dependency for everyone to use |
| 18:55.52 | duckies | yea, what you said :d |
| 18:56.36 | duckies | is still hopeful of named games feature for that 2.1 ptr starcraft thingy |
| 18:57.01 | ArcanePariah | I gotta ask... why would named games be useful? |
| 18:57.08 | ArcanePariah | Given we have variants |
| 18:57.20 | Ahli | you can advertise your lobby... |
| 18:57.29 | ArcanePariah | Maybe it was just me, but named games was purely to advertise game mode and nothing more |
| 18:57.45 | ArcanePariah | aka DOTA!!! AP, or DOTA -RDEM |
| 18:57.57 | Fate_ | u can give it a name like " new cool map all jion!!! " |
| 18:58.02 | duckies | because it would keep me in b-net for more that a few seconds every day. Right now I log in, open games list, close sc. If it had named games list I'd at least check out what people name their things |
| 18:58.03 | Ahli | ^ |
| 18:58.07 | duckies | it's a social thing |
| 18:58.24 | ArcanePariah | So... you ready to compete with bots then? |
| 18:58.35 | ArcanePariah | Because that is the inevitalbe result (See WC3) |
| 18:59.01 | duckies | right now not even bots want to play sc :/ |
| 18:59.08 | ArcanePariah | AT least towards the end (08-09) there were barely any humans hosting anything |
| 18:59.10 | ArcanePariah | in Wc3 |
| 18:59.20 | ArcanePariah | Bots controlled the list |
| 18:59.40 | Dustin | has anyone found a way to make a sc2 bot yet though? |
| 18:59.53 | duckies | as far as I remember there were also hosting problems where not everyone could host games (at least in sc1, heard same issues were in wc3) |
| 19:00.05 | duckies | so bots had their use, right? |
| 19:00.06 | ArcanePariah | Why do so? Right now there is no reason too, bnet IS the bot hosting, auto hosting |
| 19:00.19 | ArcanePariah | Bots were meant for forcing game modes adn auto hosting 24/7 |
| 19:00.27 | Fate_ | i still hope there will be a lobby that show how many player are in the lobby and whats the max number for players |
| 19:00.29 | ArcanePariah | which... drumroll... bnet does now anyhow |
| 19:00.58 | Ahli | currently bots can act as afk lobby host |
| 19:01.18 | ArcanePariah | I guess I can see the social aspect of named lobbies, but 60-70% of named games is solved by bnet itself and use of game variants |
| 19:01.39 | duckies | well, I'm, ready to trade eventual decline to bot-ruled b-nets for current completely dull open game list. everythign is so god damn uninspired on b-net |
| 19:02.03 | duckies | I want some humanity in those lists >.> |
| 19:03.25 | ArcanePariah | That's the trick, human named lobby hosting is good for exposure of new or niche stuff, but tedious and wasteful for anything else, so a balance needs to be struck |
| 19:03.50 | duckies | I could lure people in g0a s unfnished arena by naming it "join for awesomeness, new hero arena" and then laugh at their broken expectations :D |
| 19:04.09 | ArcanePariah | Which probably explains why in the beginning theere was tons of named lobbies in wc3 and once things matured and dota came to dominiate, bot hosting became the norm |
| 19:04.35 | duckies | so dota ruined everything, eh? :/ |
| 19:05.02 | ArcanePariah | Sort of, since in dota, player 1 controlled the game variant, so bot hosting fixed troll/afk hosts |
| 19:05.08 | Fate_ | thats okey there wont be a dota in the gamelist^^ |
| 19:05.14 | ArcanePariah | ...??? |
| 19:05.50 | ArcanePariah | AoS and Hero Attack... |
| 19:06.06 | Fate_ | ah forget that :) |
| 19:06.13 | duckies | I'm sure a compromise can be found if one puts more than a minute of thought into design of named lobby UIs |
| 19:06.39 | duckies | no, fate is right, we must first ban all popular maps from b-net before bringing in open lobbies! >:D |
| 19:06.58 | Fate_ | i didnt say that |
| 19:07.02 | ArcanePariah | Well.... its kind of binary, you can name or you can't, but the naming is made redundant by game variants and bnet autohosting everything |
| 19:07.11 | ArcanePariah | lol duckies, won't happen |
| 19:07.12 | JademusSreg | Heroes League Defense of the Storm Legend Ancients |
| 19:07.33 | ArcanePariah | lol jade |
| 19:07.34 | JademusSreg | HLDoSLA. |
| 19:07.38 | Ahli | ArcanePariah: aren't you forced to enter the lobby of the afk host in sc2 atm? |
| 19:07.50 | Fate_ | often^^ |
| 19:07.53 | ArcanePariah | Ahli: Yes, and that is an issue |
| 19:07.57 | JademusSreg | *HLDotSLA |
| 19:08.08 | ArcanePariah | But that was also present in wc3 |
| 19:08.10 | Ahli | :) |
| 19:08.16 | ArcanePariah | even among bot hosting |
| 19:08.17 | Ahli | but there you could join another one then |
| 19:08.22 | Fate_ | the problem is it takes to much time to fill a lobby even if the game is goof |
| 19:08.31 | Fate_ | *good |
| 19:09.16 | duckies | and there is no way for players to share their game intent if mapmaker hasn't made a variant of it, for example 1v1 in a 6 player game :/ |
| 19:09.19 | ArcanePariah | So you want multiple lobbies, even if it is (techinically) subotpimal, since you could have 30 players, divided into 6 lobbies, each that require 6 people |
| 19:10.20 | ArcanePariah | Also, afk host is only an issue if you intend to start a game with less people then designed... which.. i dunno, is a flaw I guess, but a mapmaker controls the lobby setup so... |
| 19:10.31 | Fate_ | i dont think we are currtently in a state where many games of one map are hosted much |
| 19:10.44 | ArcanePariah | I know mine is |
| 19:10.55 | ArcanePariah | Partly because it does have 3 storylines to choose from |
| 19:11.07 | ArcanePariah | So people host private games fairly often to choose a story |
| 19:11.18 | *** join/#sc2mapster EntityEnigma (629696b2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.150.150.178) |
| 19:11.30 | duckies | yeah, and mapmakers control.. most makers don't care about that, and b-net doesn't prevent players discomfort in any ways, not even trying |
| 19:12.09 | Fate_ | yeah players comfort should be the most importaint thing |
| 19:12.11 | duckies | enforcing things feels like a really lazy solution, I'm more of an anarchy guy >.> |
| 19:12.18 | ArcanePariah | Well, what exactly are players looking for to be comforting? |
| 19:12.29 | G0A | duckies I could lure people to play bomberbot to make them feel bad seeing shadows on low graphics:D |
| 19:12.31 | JademusSreg | still wants to look at the NotD source. |
| 19:12.31 | Fate_ | find games fast |
| 19:12.49 | ArcanePariah | So current interface is too cluttered/slow? |
| 19:13.22 | ArcanePariah | or unintuitive? |
| 19:13.38 | Fate_ | it just lack of infomation and options |
| 19:13.40 | duckies | maybe I would fix shadows if there was an open game of bomberbot named "FIX THE DAMN LOW SHADOWS YOU STUPID MOFO" |
| 19:13.46 | duckies | but we'll never know.. |
| 19:14.14 | ArcanePariah | Well... there is reviews... |
| 19:14.24 | JademusSreg | As for lobbies, one solution is to simply make use of different game variants; while they dumbly divide the play stats (and thus popularity value), it offers the options with minimal work on the side of the player. |
| 19:14.52 | ArcanePariah | Though a feedback mechanism other then reviews for developers, maybe some kind of annoymous message system |
| 19:14.55 | ArcanePariah | would be nice |
| 19:14.56 | Ahli | now playing: goas map :D |
| 19:15.42 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg: I thought the same, from my experience in wc3, named lobbies were purely a convenice in announcing game mode, and by the end, games were nearly all bot hosted, no human involved at all |
| 19:16.23 | Fate_ | how long do u guys normaly wait in a acrade lobby? |
| 19:16.30 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, I think what would be best is some kind of internal email system for developers |
| 19:16.48 | JademusSreg | I don't; if I'm not explicitly invited to play, I don't. |
| 19:16.53 | G0A | duckies maybe I would polish my map if people would play it... maybe I would make a map if people would play it already. |
| 19:16.54 | duckies | I don't wait at all cause I don't play it anymore =D but when I did it was usually from 10 to 60 minutes |
| 19:16.54 | ArcanePariah | Fate_: Atm, less then 5 minutes for my map |
| 19:17.05 | Fate_ | whats ur map btw? |
| 19:17.10 | ArcanePariah | Night of the Dead |
| 19:17.21 | Ahli | G0A: how do I upgrade the tier? |
| 19:17.23 | ArcanePariah | Mind you, we ARE a featured map |
| 19:17.31 | Fate_ | how many players does it need= |
| 19:17.39 | ArcanePariah | So we show up on the front page, and are playable by starter edition |
| 19:17.42 | G0A | Ahli what tier? what??? |
| 19:17.45 | ArcanePariah | 8, but game scales to number of players |
| 19:17.50 | ArcanePariah | so you can solo |
| 19:17.53 | ArcanePariah | i've done 2 man games |
| 19:17.57 | ArcanePariah | 3 man runs as well |
| 19:18.01 | G0A | Ahli what map are you playing? |
| 19:18.01 | Ahli | g0a nexus strike map thing |
| 19:18.10 | G0A | ahh, thats stupid map:D |
| 19:18.11 | ArcanePariah | full house is more interesting tho, having all classes is more entertaining |
| 19:18.19 | Ahli | tell meeee :D |
| 19:18.25 | Ahli | I need air units |
| 19:18.28 | ArcanePariah | So really I guess the nice thing is: anywhere from 1 - 9 |
| 19:18.28 | Ahli | enemy only got ground |
| 19:18.29 | G0A | but the tier upgrade is in the research stuff |
| 19:18.30 | ArcanePariah | 8* |
| 19:18.31 | Fate_ | do you play anyting else than your map? |
| 19:18.59 | ArcanePariah | Sometimes Elite SPecial Forces |
| 19:19.16 | JademusSreg | reflects on the notion of "creative masturbation". |
| 19:19.33 | Fate_ | how long do u wait for that? is it also a popular map? |
| 19:19.40 | duckies | G0a, yeah, excitement and enthusiasm of others is a great fuel for your own motivation |
| 19:19.43 | ArcanePariah | But usually just night of the dead. We have 2 copies of the map published, one is the stable version, the main guy publishes that. I have an unstable version I publish for testing purposes |
| 19:19.58 | ArcanePariah | Yes, it fills in about 5 mintues as well |
| 19:21.10 | G0A | duckies I will try to add new creeps for the hero map for next day map night |
| 19:22.44 | Fate_ | well for my map i have to wait much longer, and much of the waiting time i spend with 3 other players waiting for 2 more for the game to start |
| 19:23.41 | duckies | sh*t, should I try to do something too? damnit so many possiblilities, yet the day is so small and coming back to work on old things seems to eat me inside |
| 19:24.00 | Fate_ | and i think: if other ppl would know that its only 2 more players they would tend to jion |
| 19:24.15 | ArcanePariah | I would say, maybe, make your map playable with all numbers of players |
| 19:24.52 | duckies | who else here things that play variants are useless cause ppl don't seem to ever use them? :D |
| 19:24.59 | Fate_ | thats easy to say for u |
| 19:25.06 | Fate_ | since your map is a pve map |
| 19:25.16 | G0A | what variants? |
| 19:25.44 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:29.38 | *** join/#sc2mapster MoonEater916 (~Thunderbi@108-88-97-1.lightspeed.mtryca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 19:34.38 | duckies | G0A by shadows you mean blob shadows on every model? |
| 19:47.21 | kingTD | G0A any balance to the skills heores and shit? |
| 19:47.23 | G0A | duckies probably |
| 19:47.31 | G0A | kingTD probably :D |
| 19:47.41 | kingTD | :/ |
| 19:47.51 | G0A | kingTD I cant really balance it without playing it:D |
| 19:47.52 | kingTD | wtf with that probably balance that fucker more |
| 19:48.14 | G0A | I fixed however most bugs |
| 19:48.28 | G0A | or probably all bugs |
| 19:49.14 | Zolden | lol |
| 19:49.26 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bibendus (Bibendus@ip-80-249-36-63.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) |
| 19:49.28 | Zolden | JademusSreg how about "masturbative creativity"? |
| 19:49.34 | duckies | is this better? http://snag.gy/87S4G.jpg |
| 19:50.19 | Zolden | why no details on white rocks? |
| 19:50.49 | Zolden | it's unbridled visual hitlerism |
| 19:51.04 | A1win | someone up for a test? |
| 19:51.07 | duckies | is it making you mad enough to do something about it zolden? :D |
| 19:51.26 | Fate_ | A1win i am |
| 19:51.29 | Zolden | A1win coming |
| 19:51.36 | A1win | just a minute, eating |
| 19:51.37 | kingTD | test wgat?> |
| 19:51.45 | A1win | my planet map |
| 19:51.49 | kingTD | ohhh |
| 19:51.50 | kingTD | well |
| 19:51.52 | Zolden | duckies I spend all time on balancing map, and it's still not enough |
| 19:52.03 | A1win | it's deathmatch now |
| 19:52.55 | duckies | It's never enough, isn't it :/ |
| 19:52.56 | Zolden | A1win eu> |
| 19:52.58 | Zolden | ? |
| 19:53.01 | A1win | yeah |
| 19:53.04 | Fate_ | tell me when u start |
| 19:53.18 | A1win | minute or two |
| 19:55.22 | *** join/#sc2mapster sc2println (~flo@2a02:810d:1680:60a:f66d:4ff:fe93:2e29) |
| 19:56.14 | A1win | k ready |
| 19:56.24 | kingTD | well 1 min i will be there |
| 19:56.28 | kingTD | if still needed |
| 19:56.34 | Fate_ | coming |
| 19:57.28 | A1win | kingTD, yeah we'll wait |
| 19:58.45 | kingTD | im in chat channe;l |
| 20:04.08 | *** join/#sc2mapster Triceron (~Triceron@S0106000c41aae21d.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 20:05.01 | *** join/#sc2mapster Deadzergling (836ba0b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.160.182) |
| 20:14.33 | G0A | Zolden btw I finished today the Commonwealth Saga 1700 pages... it was a bit disappointing. |
| 20:16.28 | Triceron | who's excited for Blizzcon! |
| 20:18.54 | *** join/#sc2mapster sc2println (~flo@2a02:810d:1680:60a:f66d:4ff:fe93:2e29) |
| 20:19.11 | Triceron | Yeeaahhh! |
| 20:20.17 | sc2println | You seem happy :) |
| 20:20.34 | Triceron | Bliizzzzzcooonnn! |
| 20:20.57 | Triceron | but seems like no mapping panels this year, just the global SC2 one :( |
| 20:21.29 | G0A | yeeaah Blizzard make disappointed ! |
| 20:21.45 | Fate_ | its funny A1win ppl will play that |
| 20:21.49 | Triceron | Off to the forums to complain! |
| 20:21.51 | duckies | I'm just .. cautiously curious about that 1h SC update panel |
| 20:22.09 | Zolden | G0A philip dick wouldn't disappoint you |
| 20:22.18 | Zolden | Triceron me! |
| 20:22.19 | Triceron | well I'm expecting lots of high-play/esports talk |
| 20:22.29 | Triceron | high-fives Zolden |
| 20:22.38 | Zolden | high fives back |
| 20:22.41 | Zolden | misses |
| 20:22.59 | Zolden | punches a little girls instead |
| 20:23.14 | Triceron | cheers and fistpumps |
| 20:23.16 | kingTD | better story would be punching babys! |
| 20:23.43 | G0A | Zolden yeah next book will be from him |
| 20:24.06 | Zolden | G0A Ubik i'd revommend to be first |
| 20:24.10 | G0A | or may be Ted Chiang |
| 20:24.28 | G0A | it said he is quite good new writer |
| 20:24.36 | Zolden | A1win show that image to G0A, about book piles and the 4th pile |
| 20:24.54 | A1win | http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aWZxy5q_460s.jpg |
| 20:25.17 | G0A | yeah I saw that.D |
| 20:25.59 | Deadzergling | Is the 4th pile supposed to be weed? |
| 20:26.34 | G0A | yes :) |
| 20:27.10 | G0A | it would be nicer if it would be a loop and after the stars there would be flowers again:) |
| 20:27.30 | Triceron | ohh that picture makes sense now |
| 20:27.56 | A1win | doesn't make sense -> add weed -> makes sense |
| 20:28.06 | Zolden | that little girl I accidently punched dropped her icecream, and a tall man slipped and feel on it, and hit an old lady with his diplomat, and she got scared and started spraying from her tear gas can to random directions, and a black guy got tears and scared too and started shooting to random directions, all people run |
| 20:28.21 | Triceron | that's how I solve most of my problems |
| 20:28.28 | *** join/#sc2mapster Thenarden (~Miranda@HSI-KBW-078-043-227-063.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 20:29.00 | Deadzergling | So in other words Zolden, everything bad that happens is your fault? |
| 20:29.19 | Zolden | only this situation |
| 20:29.30 | Zolden | also, it's blizzcon's fault |
| 20:29.38 | Deadzergling | Nice going by the way, is a black guy, so he must have had a gun :P |
| 20:30.00 | Zolden | he had gun in has lowered pants |
| 20:30.11 | Zolden | now he's dead, cops shoot him |
| 20:30.23 | Triceron | and tazed his dead body |
| 20:30.32 | Zolden | and a south part of city is in flame, black population rioted |
| 20:31.07 | Deadzergling | It's okay though, the cops sprinkled some crack on him |
| 20:31.08 | Zolden | tanks entered the city |
| 20:31.42 | Zolden | and one fat cop shited on his body, and it appeared on youtube, and that's why the riot happened |
| 20:32.09 | Zolden | the rioters wanted that fat cop to unshit the body |
| 20:32.40 | Zolden | but cop died of heart attack (was realy fat), and no one else could unshit that big piece of poop |
| 20:34.32 | kingTD | Zolden go balance shit up! |
| 20:36.30 | Zolden | calculated crystal, metal and gold cost of battletank in terms of gold, added it to army cost, placed the battletank behind two angels, and runned the wave to attack |
| 20:38.44 | Fate_ | sc2println does deleting bones effect problems with animations? |
| 20:41.00 | Zolden | nothing but bones keep animation information |
| 20:41.26 | *** join/#sc2mapster EntityEnigma (629696b2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.150.150.178) |
| 20:41.59 | Fate_ | so in order to keep all animations i should keep all the bones? |
| 20:42.32 | sc2println | Fate_ yes mehses are animated with bones |
| 20:42.41 | Fate_ | ah |
| 20:43.24 | Fate_ | and what if i delete meshes? do i also lose animation informations= |
| 20:44.34 | kingTD | for mesh you lose |
| 20:44.44 | kingTD | but for bones you are not |
| 20:45.04 | kingTD | they keep their rotations and movements |
| 20:45.54 | Fate_ | okey thanks all |
| 20:46.09 | Fate_ | ill playe around with that a bit |
| 20:48.22 | Fate_ | https://twitter.com/BlizzHeroes/status/398280300972605440/photo/1 nice it has diablo, so i have a new blood demon model :) |
| 20:48.43 | A1win | hmm, the space stations aren't very useful now that the ships move so slow anyway |
| 20:48.52 | A1win | can easily hold still in the space if needed |
| 20:49.21 | Fate_ | what do they do anyway? |
| 20:49.25 | Fate_ | i didnt notice |
| 20:49.31 | A1win | you can land on them |
| 20:49.44 | Fate_ | what for?^^ |
| 20:49.53 | A1win | they used to let you swap weapons but I'm not sure I want that during game |
| 20:49.59 | A1win | maybe you get to swap weapons when you die |
| 20:50.28 | A1win | takes too much focus away if you need to worry about optimizing your weapon loadout on the fly ;p |
| 20:50.36 | Triceron | what kind of map you making Fate? |
| 20:51.34 | Fate_ | http://www.engamer.net/forum/view_thread/87 this one |
| 20:52.33 | Triceron | ahh |
| 20:53.50 | JademusSreg | Was that a response of understanding? Or an utterence of terror? =D |
| 20:54.06 | Triceron | both |
| 20:54.14 | Triceron | I scream in monotones |
| 20:54.23 | Fate_ | XD |
| 20:54.54 | JademusSreg | My screams are in 32-bit color. |
| 20:54.56 | Triceron | any plans to add Tau? |
| 20:55.07 | Deadzergling | not being able to weapon swap = lame |
| 20:55.14 | Fate_ | a bit but that far far away |
| 20:55.19 | Fate_ | u can btw |
| 20:55.36 | Triceron | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Tau_Invasion.jpg :D |
| 20:55.42 | Fate_ | i am currently working on eldar and space marines |
| 20:56.34 | JademusSreg | Tau are probably the closest thing to "good guys" in WH40k, I imagine. |
| 20:56.39 | Fate_ | they look nice but i don plan to use real 40k models so far |
| 20:56.42 | Fate_ | yeah^^ |
| 20:56.44 | Deadzergling | nice pic triceron, now show the one with the brown/tan guys mowed down by the twin gatlings |
| 20:57.02 | Triceron | Vikings don't deal damage pfft |
| 20:57.25 | JademusSreg | Vikings exist only to kill Overlords and get killed by everything else. |
| 20:57.34 | Fate_ | XD |
| 20:57.36 | Deadzergling | sure, if you are always playing melee |
| 20:57.38 | Triceron | and get stomped by ultralisks |
| 20:57.42 | JademusSreg | Yesss. |
| 20:58.10 | Fate_ | the ground form is hardly usefull |
| 20:58.52 | Deadzergling | no wonder they cut out the mapmaking part at the blizzcon :) |
| 20:59.05 | Deadzergling | all you think of is melee |
| 20:59.24 | Triceron | I was thinking of cinematics |
| 20:59.28 | JademusSreg | Naw, making jokes. |
| 20:59.44 | Deadzergling | worse than usual too |
| 20:59.52 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 21:00.23 | sc2println | Fate_ if you make an m3a you can delete the mesh |
| 21:00.23 | Deadzergling | cinematics, when is the last time you saw a sci-fi where the skinny gimp looking aliens don't get blown away by twin gatlings? |
| 21:00.38 | JademusSreg | Also, did they actually not do anything related to community content or was that hyperbolic? |
| 21:00.59 | Fate_ | whats a m3a? |
| 21:01.12 | Fate_ | does sc2 use this? |
| 21:01.19 | sc2println | a m3 which contains animations for another m3 file |
| 21:01.26 | Triceron | Fate: Animation information basically. It's a model file that stores animations that can be added to existing units |
| 21:01.27 | A1win | pew pew http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuOO37PtS_o |
| 21:01.29 | sc2println | SC2 use this techniche for the high quality models |
| 21:01.31 | JademusSreg | That's the xml bank file with attachment points, iirc. |
| 21:01.39 | JademusSreg | Or was that m3h? |
| 21:01.43 | JademusSreg | Whatever. |
| 21:02.30 | Fate_ | OH MY GOD I AM IN THE INTERNET!!! |
| 21:02.48 | A1win | oh no! |
| 21:04.25 | Deadzergling | purple isn't doing so hot in that video |
| 21:05.18 | Zolden | kingTD 30/36 waves and 50/56 towers are done |
| 21:06.08 | Deadzergling | seems to be whoever can spam the most blue crap wins A1win |
| 21:06.18 | A1win | :P |
| 21:06.27 | kingTD | Zolden so close to making that awesome terrain? |
| 21:06.41 | A1win | Deadzergling, who can spam the most blue crap the most accurately |
| 21:06.51 | Deadzergling | the pew pew shots were only kind of effective |
| 21:06.55 | Deadzergling | way more deaths from the blue crap |
| 21:07.11 | A1win | it's not supposed to be balanced yet ;> |
| 21:07.27 | sc2println | Fate_ oh btw. I updated the Blender Tutorial and hotkey collection thread. |
| 21:07.33 | sc2println | I added some important selection hotkeys |
| 21:07.39 | Deadzergling | that's good, health exploding upon getting it is also kind of weird |
| 21:07.44 | Fate_ | ah nice |
| 21:07.51 | A1win | Deadzergling, hmm? |
| 21:07.51 | sc2println | especially [ctrl] + [L] for selecting linked vertices is super usefull |
| 21:08.02 | sc2println | if you are recombining existing models |
| 21:08.04 | Deadzergling | well those green thingies circling the planets |
| 21:08.10 | Deadzergling | then you bustem open for health packs |
| 21:08.14 | A1win | the green things are not health, they contain health packs inside them |
| 21:08.18 | Deadzergling | the health packs looked like they exploded when you got them |
| 21:08.30 | Deadzergling | yea, I know that, the health packs exploded too |
| 21:08.32 | Zolden | kingTD not close yet ;/ 5 big things need to be implemented |
| 21:08.37 | A1win | the green things explode, the health packs just kind of vanish with red smoke |
| 21:08.40 | Fate_ | ah cool i may use this today |
| 21:09.19 | Deadzergling | yes, red smoke from a red explosion |
| 21:09.35 | Zolden | caused by red projectile |
| 21:09.40 | Zolden | launched by red spaceship |
| 21:09.46 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a74/ |
| 21:09.48 | Zolden | made in red space station |
| 21:09.52 | Zolden | built by red player |
| 21:09.53 | A1win | Deadzergling, well the graphics aren't done either |
| 21:10.00 | A1win | just using whatever I can find in the assets ;p |
| 21:11.09 | sc2println | Do maps use mods immidately when you update the mod? |
| 21:11.09 | Zolden | A1win I want and abil - a temporal turbo mode, like in photon cycles, you activate it and for 5-10 seconds your thrusters produce x2 force |
| 21:11.40 | A1win | thrusters are already very effective, it's the maximum speed that limits you |
| 21:11.41 | Deadzergling | they do now, sc2println |
| 21:11.56 | Zolden | A1win I mean maneurs when under attack |
| 21:11.56 | sc2println | hmm, okay thanks |
| 21:11.59 | Deadzergling | you will have to upload the new mod first though |
| 21:12.01 | Zolden | to strafe faster |
| 21:12.01 | A1win | hmm right |
| 21:12.07 | Deadzergling | as far as playing online goes |
| 21:12.09 | A1win | yea that could be good |
| 21:12.12 | sc2println | I see |
| 21:12.14 | sc2println | thanks for the info |
| 21:12.32 | Deadzergling | if the blue crap is supposed to be about aim |
| 21:12.42 | Deadzergling | should be a way to charge it up into a big crapbomb |
| 21:13.38 | Deadzergling | make sniping more possible |
| 21:14.00 | Deadzergling | what I saw mostly was, immediately upon respawn, oh I think there be ships that way |
| 21:14.10 | Deadzergling | spam all the guns! |
| 21:15.07 | Deadzergling | oh well, I been messing with respawning in my project again |
| 21:17.53 | A1win | sniping won't be fun with bnet lag :P |
| 21:17.59 | A1win | deathmatch is all about spam! |
| 21:18.29 | A1win | anyway the projectiles are a bit too fast now, still needs tweaking |
| 21:18.38 | A1win | that was the 1st multiplayer test I've had ;p |
| 21:18.42 | A1win | with these changes |
| 21:19.54 | Deadzergling | bah, I've sniped many a time with lag |
| 21:20.08 | Deadzergling | should at least be an option |
| 21:20.30 | Deadzergling | that would encourage use of the planets as shields more too |
| 21:20.42 | Deadzergling | charge up, sneak on out, bang, hide again |
| 21:20.44 | A1win | yeah there will be different kinds of weapons |
| 21:21.30 | Deadzergling | anyways, can understand the graphics taking awhile to fully do |
| 21:21.47 | A1win | I want someone else to do them anyway ;p |
| 21:21.54 | Deadzergling | took me 2 hours or so last night just to make glowy residues where people die |
| 21:22.51 | Deadzergling | Still not entirely happy with it, but is much better, and is the correct color based on who died now |
| 21:22.52 | *** join/#sc2mapster Blub\w (~wry@unaffiliated/blubw/x-6625061) |
| 21:23.38 | Deadzergling | Turns out ressurect isn't a very useful ability to have if corpses are not left around :) |
| 21:24.35 | A1win | hehe |
| 21:25.04 | Deadzergling | Anyways, wasted about 12 hours or so on a little Rogue game I found for the Sega Genesis, random generated dungeon and random effect items and such |
| 21:25.21 | Deadzergling | Made me think of your previous stuff A1win |
| 21:25.55 | A1win | :x |
| 21:25.58 | Deadzergling | definitely had some major pythons for hallways |
| 21:26.05 | A1win | I definitely want to do some procedural stuff in the future |
| 21:26.24 | A1win | *some more |
| 21:26.28 | A1win | *a lot more |
| 21:26.47 | Deadzergling | I'm not sure if I'd replay such a game type too much, but it was relatively awesome |
| 21:27.24 | Deadzergling | some of the titles were pretty hilarious too, at one point I was a Valet, a Battleman, a Samurai, a LordMaster |
| 21:27.26 | JademusSreg | *all the more |
| 21:28.05 | JademusSreg | Sounds somewhere between Wizardry and Binding of Isaac. |
| 21:28.11 | Deadzergling | yes, for when being a Lord or a Master just isn't enough |
| 21:28.17 | Deadzergling | there is, LordMaster! |
| 21:28.26 | A1win | :P |
| 21:28.56 | Deadzergling | I was rather sad at how gimp the end boss was though |
| 21:29.07 | Deadzergling | his AI + my regen ring = easy win |
| 21:29.18 | A1win | I use unit groups in my code so much that I'm afraid to start refactoring this to use actors instead of units @.@ |
| 21:30.09 | duckies | DZ, what's the games name? |
| 21:30.18 | Deadzergling | Fatal Labyrinth |
| 21:30.27 | JademusSreg | A1, consider the performance gains. |
| 21:30.39 | A1win | yeah I'll have to do it at some point |
| 21:30.50 | duckies | thanks! |
| 21:30.55 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 21:31.04 | Deadzergling | sure, game is really old, the graphics may as well be asci text |
| 21:31.16 | Deadzergling | but worth a play through, lol |
| 21:31.55 | *** join/#sc2mapster Kueken1 (~Kueken@brsg-4dbbad48.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 21:32.02 | Deadzergling | when your game has graphics that I think I could reproduce, your graphics are very, very old :) |
| 21:32.31 | Otixa | Someone say graphics? ;p |
| 21:32.53 | Deadzergling | I've considered the possibility of making a 2d game from scratch for that reason |
| 21:33.08 | Deadzergling | Haha nothing too major Otixa |
| 21:33.16 | Deadzergling | just 16 bit console level graphics |
| 21:33.41 | Otixa | 16bit graphics are advanced as fuck ;p |
| 21:34.42 | Deadzergling | so, have easily been able to be created for several thousand years then Otixa? |
| 21:34.54 | Deadzergling | fuck has been pretty easy to make for that long. |
| 21:35.08 | Otixa | IRL, sure :D |
| 21:35.28 | Otixa | My funny fell apart somewhere along the way |
| 21:35.32 | Otixa | goes back to work |
| 21:36.04 | Deadzergling | whatever became of your super advanced coin slider program anyways Otixa? |
| 21:36.17 | Otixa | No time to work on it atm |
| 21:37.07 | Deadzergling | time is definitely a factor on working on stuff |
| 21:37.18 | Otixa | Getting a 200ish megapixel image ready for print ;p |
| 21:38.02 | Deadzergling | not being such a perfectionist would certainly be useful in EVER getting done w/ my project |
| 21:38.32 | Otixa | "gfx suck" |
| 21:38.34 | Otixa | :B |
| 21:43.34 | Deadzergling | I'm quickly remembering why I didn't feel like making my cleric/enchanter/support class for several months though, lol |
| 21:44.57 | Triceron | why's that? |
| 21:45.01 | Triceron | cuz you need the graphics for it? |
| 21:46.02 | Deadzergling | no, those are fairly easy, blue and glowey fits very well for it |
| 21:46.11 | Deadzergling | so I just have to browse protoss effects every time |
| 21:46.43 | Deadzergling | just very simple abilities for the most part, with a LOT of tweaking |
| 21:47.35 | Deadzergling | the endless tweaking is very annoying |
| 21:49.18 | Deadzergling | is also the fact for buffs/debuffs to work well, probably looking at 10 different buffs for a single buff type with 10 ranks |
| 21:49.50 | Deadzergling | so if you got two clerics, the best buff always overwrites the weaker one type deal |
| 21:49.52 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tolkfan (~Thunderbi@host-89-230-244-70.nowydwor.mm.pl) |
| 21:50.18 | Deadzergling | anywho, have to actually work at work right now, back later, sure I've spammed enough anyways. |
| 21:55.29 | *** join/#sc2mapster ElectricPrism (~Loren@unaffiliated/electricprism) |
| 22:54.28 | Triceron | Dance dance dance dance dance! |
| 22:55.58 | Triceron | dances |
| 22:57.34 | G0A | I am the computer man titipipapam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1IqqlW1U4k |
| 22:57.45 | G0A | Dance to that.D |
| 22:59.11 | Triceron | BIPBIBBIPBIDOBOP! |
| 22:59.53 | G0A | ohhhh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oUp_JjPJok !!! :D |
| 23:02.08 | Zolden | lol |
| 23:07.30 | G0A | joins Zolden in bed |
| 23:07.33 | *** part/#sc2mapster G0A (~hookah604@91.82.176.247.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 23:10.35 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zolden (~a@88.135.0.21) |
| 23:12.58 | *** join/#sc2mapster ZandoseAFK (Zandose@24-246-78-228.cable.teksavvy.com) |
| 23:13.31 | A1win | I wonder if I could make the ships move even slower than they already do |
| 23:13.55 | A1win | would further decrease the need for spamming |
| 23:14.01 | A1win | but would it feel too slow then... |
| 23:14.55 | Deadzergling | Fits in with the space theme great, going slower and slower |
| 23:15.26 | A1win | yeah it doesn't feel too bad at least to me o: |
| 23:16.14 | Deadzergling | Captain, set a course for Alderan |
| 23:16.23 | Deadzergling | Speed, 10 Kilometers per hour! |
| 23:20.36 | Deadzergling | Reveal the location of the rebel base, or in 1000 years after numerous generations of crews and innumerable repairs to the death star, your planet will be DOOMED! |
| 23:27.22 | Deadzergling | How you planning to put that in the patch notes by the way A1win? Due to the fact I don't like aiming at fast moving ships, I have decreased the speed yet again. Coming soon, all ships will just face each other at all times to avoid any effort at all. |
| 23:27.47 | A1win | ;> |
| 23:28.06 | A1win | I haven't done any patch notes yet |
| 23:28.16 | Deadzergling | .............. |
| 23:29.13 | Ahli | :) I can position nydus' cargo buttons and smaller cargo button grids separately :) |
| 23:29.30 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:31.23 | Ahli | the infoPanel size needs to be 700 and the cargo panel size needs to be 260 and they are appearing on separate slots. So, I can create a new info panel for each one |
| 23:31.30 | Ahli | *positions |
| 23:33.48 | A1win | Deadzergling, there is no need for them yet ;p |
| 23:34.39 | Deadzergling | A1win's Patch Note Section: Pretty sure this is all gonna blow up in my face soon, so no real need for any documentation of progress. |
| 23:34.53 | A1win | :P |
| 23:35.07 | A1win | I have good memory |
| 23:36.02 | Deadzergling | great, just hope it has a sort by date results function |
| 23:36.19 | A1win | why would I need that? |
| 23:36.52 | A1win | just need to remember the order in which the changes were made |
| 23:37.17 | Deadzergling | Oh, suppose you don't have to have it, is just a nice way to track progress, let others know what is going on, etceteras. |
| 23:37.39 | A1win | yeah |
| 23:37.50 | Deadzergling | I been really bad about updating mine, was really frequent about it when I started |
| 23:37.51 | A1win | I write patch notes when I want to let others know of my progress ;x |
| 23:38.17 | A1win | like this: http://a1win.blogspot.com/p/craftcraft-changelog.html |
| 23:41.05 | Triceron | gaaaaayyyyyy |
| 23:43.28 | Deadzergling | be sure to close the closet door on your way out Triceron |
| 23:43.39 | Deadzergling | good job finally admitting it |
| 23:44.06 | Triceron | hey, I don't mean any offense. Just calling it as I see it |
| 23:45.11 | Deadzergling | yes, and I congratulated you on finally admitting it, what's the problem? :) |
| 23:45.30 | Triceron | the lack of dancing |
| 23:57.26 | Deadzergling | Dancing is for women |
| 23:58.14 | A1win | now ship max speed is 50... used to be 400 |
| 23:58.29 | A1win | in that previous video it was 75 |
| 23:58.55 | A1win | tried 40, that felt a bit too slow :x |
| 23:59.08 | A1win | took ages to even go around a planet |
| 23:59.50 | Deadzergling | that is quite a decrease in speed |
| 23:59.55 | A1win | I should add a time display where days pass in seconds |
