| 00:28.37 | ElectricPrism | Im having trouble with bridges :\ I imagine when I rotate the Mar Sans bridge doodad the footprint isn't also rotating |
| 00:28.52 | ElectricPrism | Is this common? I've googled and havent found a solution yet |
| 00:30.57 | Ownage | Serashin, go back into the command card and make sure the actual command is selected |
| 00:31.17 | Ownage | there's a bug where when you hit ok sometimes it unsets the actual command of the ability |
| 00:31.38 | Ownage | if that doesn't work you can send me the map and I can look at it |
| 00:31.53 | Ownage | or you can post the xml for the unit, ability |
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| 00:32.24 | Serashin_ | Thx for the help , had a IRC error it kicked me . It is working now |
| 00:32.44 | Serashin_ | Do i need to do anything special for having a working default hotkey for it ? |
| 00:32.56 | Ownage | set it in the button properties |
| 00:32.58 | Serashin_ | i added C , at the same spot other abbilitys have another letter |
| 00:32.59 | Serashin_ | but ingame |
| 00:33.01 | Serashin_ | it doesnt work |
| 00:33.24 | Ownage | make sure that's the actual button you used in command card |
| 00:33.51 | Ownage | use editor prefixes to set aside same name abilities |
| 00:37.45 | Serashin_ | hmmm |
| 00:38.13 | Serashin_ | In command card when i place the button . or check when clicking on other buttons . they dont show which hotkey it has |
| 00:39.34 | Ownage | nope |
| 00:39.42 | Ownage | it's a button setting |
| 00:39.57 | Ownage | make sure you have the right button like I said |
| 00:40.03 | Ownage | then check hotkey in button settings |
| 00:42.08 | Serashin_ | there is no button properritys . in the tab of the button itself . all there is is UI and Editor stuff |
| 00:42.21 | Serashin_ | I checked in other abbilitys wich have working hotkeys |
| 00:42.29 | Serashin_ | But they have the same |
| 00:42.32 | Serashin_ | just UI and Editor |
| 00:51.12 | Zandose | what does the trigger action "Target Mode Updated" do? |
| 01:02.29 | MoonEater | shit |
| 01:02.55 | MoonEater | Ownage, can u apply site offects from trigger or dynamically? |
| 01:09.10 | Ownage | Zandose, like if you choose to build something but didn't click where yet |
| 01:10.01 | Ownage | since that's just a ui event you wouldn't get that from ability events |
| 01:10.09 | Zandose | ok |
| 01:10.11 | Ownage | since you haven't actually started the ability yet |
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| 01:12.19 | unclesatin | sup |
| 01:16.11 | MoonEater | Otixa, i have a model question |
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| 01:25.18 | MoonEater | WAKE UP OTIXA |
| 01:36.12 | unclesatin | can i define my own styles in sc2styles |
| 01:36.21 | unclesatin | fontstyle.sc2styles* |
| 01:38.19 | Otixa | go away |
| 01:38.30 | MoonEater | so |
| 01:38.32 | MoonEater | Otixa |
| 01:38.42 | MoonEater | i have a 2d plane that has a tree on it |
| 01:38.52 | MoonEater | its not exactly working like i need it 2 |
| 01:39.13 | MoonEater | i need them to be abit stackable yet still look 2D |
| 01:39.14 | Otixa | gj, you can't even manage making a plane |
| 01:39.20 | Otixa | back to my original point: go away |
| 01:40.02 | MoonEater | i didnt make the plane |
| 01:40.04 | MoonEater | Zolden did |
| 01:40.11 | MoonEater | but thats beside the point |
| 01:40.14 | MoonEater | Come back Otixa |
| 01:40.44 | Otixa | So you can't even make a plane on your own |
| 01:40.45 | Otixa | Cool |
| 01:40.51 | Otixa | Busy, go away |
| 01:41.18 | MoonEater | Otixa, so now you got ur ego a good streeching answer my damn question |
| 01:41.46 | Otixa | 1. You didn't ask a question |
| 01:41.48 | Otixa | 2. Busy |
| 01:41.55 | Otixa | 3. Ping me again and I'll /ignore you |
| 01:42.13 | MoonEater | 1,[18:38] <MoonEater> i have a 2d plane that has a tree on it [18:39] <MoonEater> its not exactly working like i need it 2 [18:39] <MoonEater> i need them to be abit stackable yet still look 2D |
| 01:42.17 | MoonEater | 2. dont care |
| 01:42.28 | MoonEater | 3, Beep Otixa |
| 01:42.52 | Otixa | I see no question there |
| 01:42.55 | Otixa | Also, ignored |
| 01:43.09 | MoonEater | ineed to know if its doable reasonably |
| 01:48.30 | unclesatin | what do you mean by stackable |
| 01:49.03 | MoonEater | well its a Z axis issue |
| 01:49.13 | MoonEater | cause everything is 2d |
| 01:49.25 | unclesatin | so you don't want them to intersect when they billboard |
| 01:49.25 | MoonEater | the sc2 engine doesnt know how to deal with things ontop of itself |
| 01:49.35 | unclesatin | or? |
| 01:50.03 | unclesatin | like literally a tree on top of itself |
| 01:50.27 | MoonEater | imagine a 2d plane with a tree painted on it |
| 01:50.40 | MoonEater | now imagine 2 of them on top of eachother at the same z axis |
| 01:51.23 | unclesatin | why would you need to do that |
| 01:51.32 | MoonEater | ask me tomorrow |
| 01:51.33 | unclesatin | unless you wanted to rotate the second one to create the illusion of 3d |
| 01:51.49 | unclesatin | lol |
| 01:52.06 | unclesatin | i'm trying to help you, but i can ask you tomorrow if you like |
| 01:53.18 | MoonEater | 2 planes at the same hight |
| 01:53.21 | MoonEater | flicker |
| 01:54.10 | unclesatin | because intersecting planes causes leaks in the engine yes |
| 01:54.41 | MoonEater | ya whatever so i need a way to stop that |
| 01:55.38 | unclesatin | depends on what you want to do with these 2 planes |
| 01:55.58 | MoonEater | put them in simular spots |
| 01:56.59 | unclesatin | like, for thick forest coverage? and your forest flickers? does it happen when they're at the same height but in different x / y coords entirely? |
| 01:57.13 | MoonEater | no |
| 01:57.18 | MoonEater | same hieght |
| 01:57.23 | unclesatin | only when they're close enough to intersect |
| 01:57.23 | MoonEater | thich forests |
| 01:57.31 | MoonEater | overlapping flickers |
| 01:57.35 | MoonEater | on top of that |
| 01:57.48 | MoonEater | trunks r also appearing on top |
| 01:57.49 | MoonEater | so |
| 01:57.51 | MoonEater | ya |
| 01:58.00 | MoonEater | giant mess |
| 01:58.10 | unclesatin | yeah at that point |
| 01:58.26 | unclesatin | as far as I know you could only create illusions that work around the glitch |
| 01:59.20 | unclesatin | i'd probably create a forest in 3dsmax with planes that didn't intersect, but idk what you want to do with it |
| 01:59.22 | MoonEater | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.32 | MoonEater | make sentry hallucination trees? |
| 02:00.01 | unclesatin | no, i mean visual illusions |
| 02:00.15 | unclesatin | like not using singular planes for each tree unless they're far enough apart or |
| 02:01.07 | MoonEater | ya |
| 02:01.08 | MoonEater | well |
| 02:01.11 | MoonEater | damn.. |
| 02:01.18 | MoonEater | all the different shapes |
| 02:01.20 | unclesatin | or making multiple trees on one plane |
| 02:01.41 | unclesatin | that could create the illusion of a thick forest |
| 02:02.29 | MoonEater | ya... |
| 02:03.05 | unclesatin | brutal though |
| 02:03.15 | MoonEater | yep |
| 02:03.16 | unclesatin | i wouldn't be happy in your situation |
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| 04:02.31 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 04:03.41 | JademusSreg | The flickering is known as Z-fighting/ |
| 04:03.46 | JademusSreg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-fighting |
| 04:04.19 | JademusSreg | Not to be confused with DragonballZ fighting, which is altogether more ridiculous and noisome. |
| 04:04.32 | Ownage | how can I make a turret face a certain way |
| 04:04.42 | Ownage | I am rotating units but immortals look all screwey |
| 04:06.05 | JademusSreg | Could you specify what "a certain way" is in your case? |
| 04:14.51 | Ownage | I'm making all units face the same angle |
| 04:15.09 | Ownage | the immortal is all screwy |
| 04:15.25 | Ownage | by way there I mean angle |
| 04:16.28 | Ownage | also, unrelated, how can I check to see if a unit is in the middle of a train command (i.e. traning a unit) |
| 04:16.40 | Ownage | I want to order him to do something unless he's training |
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| 04:29.53 | JademusSreg | Turret data can specify a specific angle, if that's what you mean. |
| 04:30.31 | JademusSreg | As for the order thing, autocast ability or behavior, either of which may use a validator to check the unit's current orders. |
| 04:31.50 | Ownage | I'm talking about an attack order from trigger |
| 04:32.03 | Ownage | I wanna see if it's not training a unit, then order it to attack move |
| 04:32.39 | Ownage | also do you know a list of tags that work in text |
| 04:32.43 | JademusSreg | In that case, you get the queue. |
| 04:32.51 | Ownage | such as <s var="" or <img path="" |
| 04:33.42 | JademusSreg | Yes, I'm familiar with the text markup, and I've got a list somewhere, but I'll list those I can recall. |
| 04:35.02 | JademusSreg | <img path="" width="" height=""/> <c val=""/> <d ref=""/> |
| 04:35.13 | JademusSreg | There should be a few more. |
| 04:35.21 | JademusSreg | Anyway, d is for data references. |
| 04:36.16 | JademusSreg | Of course, the Text editor module in the editor already has a feature to insert these tags. |
| 04:36.48 | JademusSreg | Though it may not have options for all the elements supported by the tags. |
| 04:41.51 | Ownage | ah, there's an ability state check, maybe that's it |
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| 04:48.09 | dvzon | Hi, I have a quick question: what is a placeholder and do I absolutely need one? |
| 04:48.41 | dvzon | Im trying to use the reaper ability on an ultralisk...so...I guess im wondering if I need to use a placeholder or not? |
| 04:51.34 | dvzon | ? |
| 04:51.47 | Zandose | maybe no one knows |
| 04:52.29 | dvzon | lol |
| 04:52.34 | dvzon | You right |
| 04:52.44 | dvzon | just reinforces how crappy this editor is, sigh |
| 04:52.55 | dvzon | I'll try to figure it out |
| 04:53.15 | Zandose | also its probably late and the people who know are either sleeping or not looking at this window right now |
| 04:53.31 | Zandose | i would just wait a while or post the question in the forum |
| 04:54.10 | dvzon | would u know a quick question about actors? |
| 04:54.19 | dvzon | something quick, nothing long |
| 04:54.33 | Zandose | in relation to triggers and actors maybe. for data probably not |
| 04:54.50 | dvzon | u mean the events of actors? |
| 04:55.01 | dvzon | damn this editor to hell |
| 04:55.03 | dvzon | lol |
| 04:55.04 | dvzon | I'll be back |
| 04:55.06 | dvzon | Tx man |
| 04:55.11 | Zandose | uh... i use actor messages in triggers to do some stuff |
| 04:59.49 | Zandose | sleep time |
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| 05:34.32 | Ownage | what do I need to do to have an actor constantly rotating |
| 05:36.29 | dvzon | Anyone here? |
| 05:37.28 | Triceron | Hi |
| 05:37.32 | Ownage | I'm here |
| 05:37.45 | Ownage | trying to make a unit constantly rotate regardless of movement |
| 05:37.58 | Ownage | just the actor |
| 05:38.01 | Triceron | like a missile turret? |
| 05:38.18 | Ownage | errr well the other kind of rotate |
| 05:38.29 | Ownage | those are rotating on z axis right |
| 05:38.39 | Ownage | and a baneling is rotating on another axis |
| 05:38.45 | Ownage | I'm talking about the other one than those two |
| 05:38.54 | Ownage | like how an immortal turret rotates |
| 05:39.05 | Triceron | up and down? |
| 05:39.05 | Ownage | left and right from the vantage point of the unit basically |
| 05:39.31 | Ownage | if the unit is facing directly right ->>> his face and ass will be switching in this way <-> |
| 05:39.48 | Ownage | whereas a baneling is rotating like this O |
| 05:39.50 | Triceron | that's dependant on the TurretZ |
| 05:40.02 | Ownage | oh |
| 05:40.03 | Triceron | it's a designated bone in model files |
| 05:40.13 | Triceron | so your unit must have that to work |
| 05:40.18 | Triceron | just like siege tank |
| 05:40.26 | Ownage | alright let me check what it has |
| 05:40.41 | Triceron | that's how Zolden got his tank to work |
| 05:40.51 | Triceron | he uses both turret Z and turret Y |
| 05:40.58 | Triceron | so it will turn to face the enemy |
| 05:41.14 | Triceron | and the guns will aim up and down, depending on air or ground |
| 05:41.22 | Ownage | what tank is that? :0 |
| 05:41.42 | dvzon | I have a small question...Im pretty sure it's small |
| 05:42.39 | Ownage | not sure he has that bone, would it be called something with z |
| 05:42.43 | dvzon | when I make an actor for the original unit...let's say I make a copy of an ultralisk...am I done with the original ultralisk and I just use the copy from then on? |
| 05:42.58 | Triceron | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/44/299/robotron.gif |
| 05:42.58 | Ownage | dvzon, what do you mean 'done' |
| 05:43.10 | Ownage | the short answer dvzon is yes they're not specifically related |
| 05:43.18 | Ownage | but there are reasons to think about the previous one |
| 05:43.27 | Ownage | it's recommended to set it as the parent of your new one |
| 05:43.29 | Triceron | I think you need to create a 'copy' of more than just the actor |
| 05:43.52 | Ownage | so you can quickly and easily reset values to the default, as well as quickly see what you've changed, as well as taking less space up in the xml |
| 05:44.03 | dvzon | Let's say I duplicate or make a copy of an ultralisk through the "based on" option...once I do that and I have the copy...do i ever have to use the original ultralisk for anything else at all, at all, at all, or do I just make ALL THE CHANGES ON THE COPY? |
| 05:44.33 | dvzon | thats what has me confused about this whole actor crap |
| 05:44.43 | Ownage | I just told you your answer |
| 05:44.52 | Ownage | also there's no "this actor crap" |
| 05:44.59 | Ownage | all objects are the exact same in how they work |
| 05:45.12 | Ownage | the game already knows the built in values |
| 05:45.15 | dvzon | i have to keep track of the original, the actor and the models |
| 05:45.19 | dvzon | seriously? |
| 05:45.26 | Ownage | when you copy something, it only stores what you change from the parent |
| 05:45.26 | dvzon | i thought it was "copy" and go |
| 05:45.37 | dvzon | not "copy, and then go back and forth" |
| 05:45.40 | Ownage | you're making some weird confusing assumptions |
| 05:45.46 | Ownage | you track what you use and that's all |
| 05:45.59 | dvzon | ok ok I see what u mean |
| 05:46.05 | Ownage | use xml view to see what the game sees |
| 05:46.12 | dvzon | one more question please |
| 05:46.16 | dvzon | last one |
| 05:46.19 | dvzon | i beg of u |
| 05:46.22 | dvzon | lol |
| 05:46.26 | Ownage | you'll notice that when you duplicate something, it's just a few tiny lines if you set the parent correctly |
| 05:46.48 | dvzon | wait...wait |
| 05:46.54 | Ownage | stop asking to ask questions just ask them |
| 05:47.26 | dvzon | so what's the difference between duplicating and doing "copy from"? |
| 05:47.30 | dvzon | same thing right? |
| 05:47.37 | Ownage | view xml |
| 05:47.42 | Ownage | a copy is a copy |
| 05:47.46 | dvzon | right |
| 05:47.48 | Ownage | duplicate is a copy "wizard" |
| 05:47.52 | dvzon | so why do they have both options? |
| 05:48.02 | Ownage | that attempts to let you select other, related stuff to copy |
| 05:48.10 | Ownage | then it just literally copies whatever you select |
| 05:48.12 | dvzon | christ |
| 05:48.22 | Ownage | also it does some linking for you if you duplicate at the same time |
| 05:48.37 | dvzon | ok so would u say is better to just duplicate instead of doing "copy from"? |
| 05:48.39 | Ownage | for example if you copy a unit and copy an actor, the actor's messages won't point to the new unit |
| 05:48.43 | dvzon | aka less work |
| 05:48.52 | Ownage | if you duplicate them at the same time the actor will "work" right off the bat |
| 05:48.57 | Ownage | yes, duplicate when possible |
| 05:49.03 | dvzon | ok ok, oh jesus thank u |
| 05:49.13 | dvzon | alright, here goes the last one I wanted to ask |
| 05:49.19 | Ownage | I have a feeling you're doing quite a lot of weird things over there |
| 05:49.27 | Ownage | because even copying isn't a bunch of work |
| 05:49.34 | Ownage | if you copy a unit then copy an actor |
| 05:49.37 | Ownage | all you have to do is |
| 05:49.45 | Ownage | set the token unit of the actor to your unit |
| 05:49.55 | Ownage | set the parent of the actor to the original actor |
| 05:50.07 | Ownage | and then right click > reset to parent actor on whatever fields you care about |
| 05:50.09 | Ownage | like events |
| 05:50.17 | Ownage | then suddenly it works again |
| 05:50.32 | Ownage | what's your last q |
| 05:51.10 | dvzon | you know how when you click on an ability, a unit or an effect for example, it shows u everything that;s linked to it, the name, what it does, etc etc... |
| 05:51.27 | Ownage | it doesn't show you everything |
| 05:51.42 | Ownage | it shows you most of what IT directly references |
| 05:51.48 | Ownage | and not always all of that even |
| 05:51.53 | Ownage | but yes, go on |
| 05:51.58 | dvzon | if I want to copy an ability or whatever, and put it on a custom unit...do I just have to make sure that the fields on the left look exactly the same as the "original ability?" |
| 05:52.30 | Ownage | if you think that way you will surely fail |
| 05:52.39 | dvzon | for example 'reaper'. It has like 3 actors and 4 models, etc etc...as long as I make sure the copy has the same amt of actors, models, etc, then i'll be fine? |
| 05:52.48 | Ownage | unfortunately for you and some of us, you actually should understand the fields |
| 05:52.48 | dvzon | oh |
| 05:53.07 | Ownage | you want a new reaper? |
| 05:53.21 | dvzon | no no...I just want to, as an example, use a reaper ability on an ultralisk |
| 05:53.26 | dvzon | and i mean in general |
| 05:53.47 | Ownage | there isn't really a broad stroke general rule of thumb |
| 05:53.54 | Ownage | ask a specific thing and I'll walk you through it |
| 05:53.56 | Ownage | that will give you an idea |
| 05:55.09 | dvzon | well, just so I can learn Im trying to do it on my own but I just need to get the concept down of my question. Here, let me reask my question: |
| 05:55.14 | dvzon | if I just mirror things, will they work? |
| 05:55.18 | Ownage | no |
| 05:55.23 | Ownage | why would they? |
| 05:55.28 | dvzon | reaper, 3 mode,s 4 actors, blabla...if I just mirror it, will it work on another unit |
| 05:55.31 | Ownage | the original stuff is pointing to the original stuff |
| 05:55.42 | Ownage | if you want new stuff, the new stuff needs to point to the new stuff |
| 05:55.52 | Ownage | but like I said that is not at all a general rule of thumb |
| 05:56.00 | Ownage | nor is the inverse statemen |
| 05:56.04 | dvzon | I see |
| 05:56.17 | dvzon | right right and hold on |
| 05:56.33 | Ownage | ask how to do something specific and I can baby step you with explanations, that's how bored I am now |
| 05:56.37 | dvzon | Im pointing the copied models to the new actor and unit, don't get me wrong |
| 05:56.55 | dvzon | give me one second so I can make this more clear. |
| 05:57.04 | dvzon | because if I can get this concept down then I'll be golden |
| 05:57.34 | Ownage | actors work inverted to intuition |
| 05:57.47 | Ownage | they just exist and you tell them on what events they should magically appear in game |
| 05:58.02 | Ownage | that's why you don't set the actor in the unit settings, but the other way around |
| 05:58.27 | Ownage | and it makes things interesting when duplicating complex abilities or attacks |
| 05:58.44 | Ownage | this also means you usually can't find them in the little window that shows relationships |
| 05:59.37 | Ownage | in other words if you wanted to duplicate for example colossus weapon, you can choose duplicate and check every single thing in the box and the new ability won't work |
| 06:00.04 | dvzon | ok, the reaper has "2 abilities, 5 actors, 1 behavior, 4 buttons, 2 effects, 9 models, 1 mover, 10 sounds, 2 weapons." IF I make a new custom unit, create the same exact amount of abilities, actors, models, etc, etc for the new custom unit and link it CORRECTLY for it to work on the new unit...will it work? |
| 06:00.09 | Ownage | both because the duplicate wizard doesn't change 'text' based links and because there are kind of sub-stuff that you need to dupe |
| 06:00.25 | Ownage | dvzon, first of all |
| 06:00.36 | Ownage | you don't need to do all that at all |
| 06:00.40 | dvzon | really? |
| 06:00.44 | dvzon | christ |
| 06:00.52 | Ownage | all you need to do to make a new reaper that works, is duplicate the unit and check the box for actor |
| 06:00.53 | dvzon | they always saying everything needs an actor, omg |
| 06:01.02 | dvzon | im gonna go pull my hair out |
| 06:01.08 | Ownage | that new unit will work exactly the same as the original reaper |
| 06:01.15 | dvzon | so wtf |
| 06:01.20 | dvzon | i wanna cry man |
| 06:01.25 | dvzon | i wanna cry right now |
| 06:01.28 | Ownage | other than that you generally only duplicate stuff you want to change |
| 06:01.52 | dvzon | ok so just make an actor for stuff u want to change, yes? |
| 06:02.09 | Ownage | you don't copy the weapon unless you actually want to CHANGE that weapon basically |
| 06:02.09 | Ownage | same for everything else, all the models, mover etc |
| 06:02.17 | dvzon | oh oh |
| 06:02.18 | dvzon | wait |
| 06:02.21 | dvzon | holy grail |
| 06:02.22 | Ownage | when you duplicate the actor, the new actor Art: Model field will still point to the same Model as the original actor |
| 06:02.44 | dvzon | and my friend, what do YOU mean by change |
| 06:02.49 | Ownage | you only want to duplicate that model if you want to actually change the model used for that actor |
| 06:02.49 | Ownage | etc |
| 06:02.50 | dvzon | it might be different than what I mean |
| 06:03.45 | Ownage | but to directly answer the question as you asked it, yes if you duplicated everything and linked it all correctly of course it would work |
| 06:03.45 | Ownage | you would just have done a ton of useless work |
| 06:04.11 | dvzon | but it would work....I don't mind doing it that way...because its really the only way I understand it |
| 06:04.56 | dvzon | you are a legend... |
| 06:05.01 | Ownage | when you duplicate a unit and set the parent to the original, the xml is basically just a little section that says the name of the unit and it's parent |
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| 06:05.38 | dvzon | just now im understanding how links work....it's a slow process but im getting there man. |
| 06:05.43 | Ownage | when you duplicate an actor at the same time as the unit and set the parent it is basically just an xml section where the event messages have been updated where they used to say Reaper, to now say Reaper2 |
| 06:05.47 | Ownage | everything else is the same |
| 06:06.01 | dvzon | oh ok |
| 06:06.06 | dvzon | so just the name changes? |
| 06:06.29 | Ownage | if in doubt you can actually 'reset all to parent' on the actor, change the unit token and then right click > reset to parent on events and in most cases that will be exactly the same as duplicating it in the first place |
| 06:07.46 | dvzon | ok, so here is another question: if I want to CHANGE the way a spell works, or do something CUSTOM like a spell, weapon, etc...that's what actors are for, right? |
| 06:07.57 | dvzon | when you wanna do something crazy |
| 06:08.01 | Ownage | no |
| 06:08.09 | dvzon | wtf |
| 06:08.41 | Ownage | there is not much mystery to the editor, it is just more complex than the older ones |
| 06:08.41 | Ownage | here's how actors work |
| 06:08.41 | Ownage | you have a file called a .m3 model file |
| 06:08.50 | dvzon | ok |
| 06:09.34 | Ownage | it's a 3d image with some extra data like 'bones' and so forth |
| 06:09.34 | Ownage | there's an object type in the editor called 'Model'. in that model object you tell it which .m3 to use, and some other basic settings to apply to that model |
| 06:09.37 | Ownage | but that model doesn't DO anything, it's just an image |
| 06:10.02 | Ownage | an actor is an additional object where you basically can add motion and appearance to a model, and tell it when and where to appear in the game |
| 06:10.49 | dvzon | the .m3 model file is the original unit? |
| 06:10.55 | dvzon | like the original ultralisk? |
| 06:11.08 | Ownage | in relation to units and what we're talking about, that's all you basically need to understand |
| 06:11.08 | Ownage | let me give you a clearer example |
| 06:11.08 | Ownage | let's say we want a high templar storm that is larger and red instead of white/blue |
| 06:11.18 | dvzon | ok ok |
| 06:12.08 | Ownage | well the MODEL is still the same isn't it? because the 3d image it uses is what we want |
| 06:12.09 | Ownage | so how do we tell this model to be red and larger? |
| 06:12.09 | Ownage | we can do that in the actor settings |
| 06:12.09 | Ownage | (although technically you can do it in other ways, but let's be simple) |
| 06:13.08 | Ownage | so in this case what you do is you can change art:scale to 4 (means 4x original model size), and you can use actor "message" SetTint to tint it red |
| 06:13.08 | Ownage | but the game needs to know WHEN is it turning red? so you add an EVENT declaration that says ActorCreation |
| 06:13.08 | Ownage | so now it knows, whenever actor is created anywhere for any reason, set tint to red |
| 06:13.37 | dvzon | jesus |
| 06:14.08 | Ownage | actors don't DO anything, they just modify the way a model ACTS in game |
| 06:14.08 | Ownage | to change the way a spell works you use behaviors and effects, depending on the spell |
| 06:14.31 | Ownage | actors are just models, sounds etc, how you want them to show up in the game and when |
| 06:14.44 | dvzon | ok so I understand how chaning the way a spell can do something different, but u mentioned actor in your example so I freaked out |
| 06:15.00 | dvzon | so I technically don't need actors |
| 06:15.08 | Ownage | so for example if you take an already existing spell like high templar feedback, you can make feedback make a question mark over the high templar's head when cast |
| 06:15.10 | dvzon | i mean, can I just avoid using an actor all together? |
| 06:15.33 | Ownage | to do that you actually don't change ANYTHING at all on high templar or feedback in any way |
| 06:15.42 | Ownage | you just set an actor with question mark model to appear on the casters head when feedback is cast |
| 06:15.54 | dvzon | ok.... |
| 06:16.15 | dvzon | so i have to create an actor with a ? over the head |
| 06:16.20 | Ownage | though of course there are many ways to do things in the editor |
| 06:18.03 | dvzon | ok |
| 06:18.04 | dvzon | so...i mean |
| 06:18.19 | dvzon | like I stated before, to do CRAZY things, you need actors.... |
| 06:18.29 | Ownage | haha |
| 06:18.35 | Ownage | just read it slowly |
| 06:18.43 | dvzon | well u keep mentioning actors man |
| 06:18.50 | Ownage | anyway like I said it's much easier to try to actually do something specific |
| 06:18.52 | dvzon | Im trying to see where the "no actors are needed" line is |
| 06:19.01 | Ownage | there's no magic bullet explanation |
| 06:19.32 | dvzon | for example you said "set an actor." to me that means, create an actor |
| 06:19.54 | dvzon | meaing, add unit in data under units |
| 06:20.02 | dvzon | sigh |
| 06:20.31 | dvzon | let's use apples and oranges. if I have an apple, the actor I create would be another apple, right? |
| 06:20.32 | dvzon | lol |
| 06:23.57 | dvzon | ok can I ask u another question...this one should def be less complicated for me |
| 06:24.04 | dvzon | how can i do physics? |
| 06:24.25 | dvzon | like for the death of a tank be absolutely spectacular with bunch of lights, etc... |
| 06:24.38 | dvzon | what is the...beginning if u will...where to go I guess for me to start on my own |
| 06:25.27 | Ownage | how old are you guy |
| 06:25.39 | Ownage | your mind flutters and your attention is all over the place |
| 06:26.07 | Ownage | you don't need to edit actors to copy units, just duplicate actor and unit, the end |
| 06:26.23 | Ownage | you don't need actors to change what a spell does |
| 06:26.24 | dvzon | there, see |
| 06:26.27 | dvzon | there |
| 06:26.29 | dvzon | omg |
| 06:26.33 | dvzon | thats all I needed |
| 06:26.55 | dvzon | Im 12 |
| 06:26.59 | Ownage | but to make models ACT, like by having a "spectacular bunch of lights etc" on a tank, you need actors |
| 06:27.28 | Ownage | pop some ritalin and focus on one thing until you understand that one thing |
| 06:27.30 | Ownage | ;) |
| 06:27.33 | dvzon | I use unity 3d which imo is easier than this, but I want to give this sc2 editor a shot but its absolutely so complicated |
| 06:27.58 | Ownage | interestingly, I used to think it was super complicated too |
| 06:28.11 | Ownage | the more I used it the more I realized it's actually very simplistic in how it works |
| 06:28.23 | Ownage | getting to that understanding is what the hard part is |
| 06:28.41 | Ownage | if I look at my old maps, I wrote so much more triggers than I needed, and had way more objects than I needed |
| 06:28.47 | Ownage | much more work than needed |
| 06:29.05 | Ownage | as you go further into mapmaking you find easier and easier ways to do things |
| 06:29.09 | dvzon | i c |
| 06:29.34 | Ownage | so like I say, tell me one specific thing you want to do and I can help you do it |
| 06:30.18 | dvzon | ok... |
| 06:30.23 | dvzon | ok |
| 06:30.27 | dvzon | so here it is man |
| 06:30.41 | dvzon | I have a tank that when it touches a unit, it dies. I want the death to be spectacular |
| 06:31.05 | dvzon | i already changed the size, but I want it to have extra colors, the ground shakes a little bit maybe, I dont know |
| 06:31.07 | dvzon | just.... |
| 06:31.28 | dvzon | unfreaking unbelievable death effect |
| 06:31.45 | Ownage | haha ok |
| 06:31.56 | Ownage | how are you making it die when it touches a unit |
| 06:32.03 | dvzon | I messed around with the size of the death, so thats cool, but I tried to do physics and stuff...and I spent hours! lol, nothing worked |
| 06:32.37 | dvzon | trigger - for example "when unit enters range of unit" "triggerung unit = tank" "unit dies" |
| 06:32.50 | dvzon | hold on |
| 06:33.11 | Ownage | generally triggers are a bad way to do that kind of thing |
| 06:33.18 | Ownage | think about units that already do that |
| 06:33.34 | Ownage | i.e. the baneling |
| 06:33.51 | Ownage | does your tank unit have other kinds of attacks or does it just run up and die |
| 06:33.52 | dvzon | well, I mean, I already wrote the triggers, which oddly enough are easy compared to the data editor |
| 06:34.21 | dvzon | it has to avoid the unit so if it touches the unit, the tank dies. The unit it will be avoiding is a flying unit |
| 06:34.38 | dvzon | the flying unit runs around the map randomly so the tank just has to avoid it... |
| 06:34.55 | dvzon | tank has no attacks...just move, hold, stop |
| 06:34.55 | Ownage | does it attack? |
| 06:34.58 | dvzon | nope |
| 06:34.58 | Ownage | ok |
| 06:35.28 | dvzon | if you can help me with this one unit...i can do it with the rest on my own. |
| 06:35.30 | Ownage | well you can do that with triggers too |
| 06:35.36 | dvzon | really? wtf |
| 06:35.50 | dvzon | so mystic you are... |
| 06:35.58 | Ownage | yeah if you just want some effects to happen at a certain unit dying you can trigger it for sure |
| 06:36.11 | Ownage | especially if it's a kind of pacman-style game where you only have one tank |
| 06:36.35 | Ownage | event - that unit dies |
| 06:36.39 | dvzon | well... |
| 06:36.41 | Ownage | conditions - any conditions you care about |
| 06:37.00 | Ownage | then you can just create effects at the point of dying unit |
| 06:37.04 | dvzon | it's a 5 man game...so all 5 players have to avoid the flying units |
| 06:37.12 | Ownage | yeah that's fine |
| 06:37.22 | dvzon | ok...interesting |
| 06:37.22 | Ownage | just as long as it's not a spawn game with 500 of them on the field at the same time |
| 06:38.56 | dvzon | ok i'll mess around with that.... |
| 06:39.25 | dvzon | one thing i've been trying to find more info about, and believe it or not, I haven't found a single damn tutorial about it, is how to add physics |
| 06:39.41 | dvzon | it's either "no one know," or "only a few people know" |
| 06:39.56 | dvzon | and i'll go with the second one |
| 06:40.12 | Ownage | what do you mean by add physics |
| 06:40.16 | dvzon | like, unity 3d u can just drop and add a physics effect |
| 06:40.28 | ArcanePariah | Physics are a relatively new thing to the editor. The physics currently only affect non unit entities, it can not affect game state. So you can use it to modify how animations appear on units, but you can not use it to modify actual unit movement/placement |
| 06:40.47 | dvzon | like "explosion happens, the ground shakes, or it wobbles, and the parts spatter slowly, and then real fast...etc etc |
| 06:41.09 | ArcanePariah | Well ground shaking is a camera effect, and thus you can do that in triggers already |
| 06:41.11 | dvzon | ah very interesting |
| 06:41.19 | ArcanePariah | I have not determined how to make that work in data however |
| 06:41.28 | ArcanePariah | I'm still experiementing |
| 06:41.31 | dvzon | you guys are a wealth of knowledge |
| 06:41.38 | dvzon | and believe me...i appreciate it |
| 06:42.26 | ArcanePariah | Well, I have the luxary/advantage of being a CS guy already, and yes, the editor was designed for CS/Software people, thus for us it is easy to grasp, but for others, not so much and yes, Blizzard documentation is not always forthcoming, espcially in actors |
| 06:43.03 | ArcanePariah | Also a fairly large issue is that most of most knowledgeable mapmakers often spend their time mapmaking, and rarely time to document their knowledge/understanding |
| 06:43.14 | ArcanePariah | is guilty as charged |
| 06:43.36 | dvzon | definitely understand |
| 06:43.42 | dvzon | once again thank u, and until the next time |
| 06:43.48 | dvzon | because there will be...a nexty time lol |
| 06:43.49 | ArcanePariah | Like, I know how the AI mostly works, but I have not made the time to make a guide explaining it |
| 06:44.01 | ArcanePariah | Same with a number of more esoteric aspects of the editor |
| 06:44.46 | dvzon | i see |
| 06:44.55 | dvzon | im gonna stick around this room |
| 06:45.01 | dvzon | this is the room to be in |
| 06:45.47 | ArcanePariah | Good idea, also ask Kueken or JademusSreg for information, JademusSreg is good because he forces you to think about your problem, and thus help you in your problem analysis, leading to better coding skills overall |
| 06:46.17 | dvzon | I know a little bit of java, lol...but not enough to understand the editor as I see it |
| 06:46.19 | Kueken | yeah, and Kueken is good enough if Jade is not available |
| 06:46.25 | Kueken | :p |
| 06:48.03 | ArcanePariah | The editor is a full blown game development tool. As such it has many modules that cover every aspect of making a game. The actor system is the system that governs viusal effects. The data editor overall is for defining static relationships. Triggers is the actual coding, and is more meant for time sensitve or time related logic, things that are dynamic |
| 06:48.30 | ArcanePariah | There is a module that deals entirely with lighting, another for sounds, another for DSP effects for said sounds, etc |
| 06:48.46 | ArcanePariah | Terrain is... well terrain, but it has a number of nice tools to it as well |
| 06:49.04 | ArcanePariah | THe UI editor can be used to redefine and change the default UI appearance |
| 06:49.23 | ArcanePariah | Virtually everything in the game can be changed |
| 06:49.41 | ArcanePariah | Arguably, that is the greatest power and weakness of the editor. It lets you do damm near anything |
| 06:49.46 | dvzon | lol |
| 06:50.09 | Ownage | never learn java :( |
| 06:50.31 | dvzon | it's kind of basic for me....im only 12 |
| 06:50.32 | ArcanePariah | Java is a good language, it has served its design intent well |
| 06:50.37 | Ownage | brb switching vpn |
| 06:51.42 | ArcanePariah | THe editor is akin to Eclispe, if you have ever used that for Java development |
| 06:52.05 | dvzon | I've messed around with it |
| 06:52.11 | dvzon | nothing spectacular i've done |
| 06:52.19 | dvzon | just a few lines of code to understand what things do |
| 06:52.40 | dvzon | if, while, strings, variables...the basics i guess |
| 06:53.16 | ArcanePariah | THat's good, that is the best way to learn the basics. However, there is underlying theory that you can learn, but that can wait |
| 06:53.43 | ArcanePariah | A key thing to understand is the CONCEPT behind those things, because that concept is the same for almost any language |
| 06:53.55 | ArcanePariah | THe syntax may be different, but the logic is the same |
| 06:53.57 | dvzon | there u go, thats what I was told |
| 06:54.49 | dvzon | one thing that I think is very important too pariah is the conce |
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| 09:37.23 | eimtr | can any1 tell me where should i be looking at for any erros in Debug mode? |
| 09:38.33 | eimtr | for trigger errors when testing with debug |
| 09:40.09 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 09:40.58 | JademusSreg | You've got the debugger open, yeah? Note it only works in windowed mode. |
| 09:41.27 | JademusSreg | Anyway, error messages are displayed in the large frame beneath the 3 other frames. |
| 09:42.54 | JademusSreg | Right click on the frame to customize which messages it will display. |
| 09:43.13 | JademusSreg | For instance, usually don't need it to display trigger events firing, but the option is there. |
| 09:48.56 | JademusSreg | dances like a Reptite. http://i.imgur.com/L3yDw89.gif |
| 10:12.43 | eimtr | if you mean the big window below all tabs where you see Running triggers etc |
| 10:12.43 | eimtr | ok |
| 10:13.03 | eimtr | cause no errors and some silly triggs still wont work |
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| 10:16.06 | eimtr | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3278 |
| 10:16.40 | eimtr | Player 16 suppk used wont work if i disabled it it does but no |
| 10:17.57 | eimtr | no errors in the debug, though i noticed the Player Mineral changes ran only once?? |
| 10:18.03 | eimtr | the event |
| 10:19.47 | eimtr | so it didnt run every time mineral changes it ran once - either way my triggers do work here http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3279 in which case I use the same Player Supply Used but with the Terran that condition didnt work |
| 10:19.49 | eimtr | WTF |
| 10:21.43 | eimtr | 00:00:00.13 Running gt_BuildOrdersDecider_Func (Event: Player Property (1, Minerals)) |
| 10:22.06 | eimtr | 00:00:31.31 Running gt_BuildOrdersDecider_Func (Event: Player Property (1, Minerals)) |
| 10:22.27 | eimtr | aha so vs Protoss that eevent runs every secopnd but vs T runs only ONCE thats why it didnt check it later when supply becomes 16 MAKES SENSE :))) NOY |
| 10:50.21 | eimtr | so it seems I never had problem detecting a Traiend Unit type, it was all because the mistake didnt allow the event to run later |
| 10:50.24 | eimtr | =) |
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| 11:10.46 | Ahli | signing into sc2mapster is impossible for me right now :X trapped in a loop |
| 11:12.01 | Ahli | worked from another page other than the main screen |
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| 12:40.18 | Ahli | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/10262437059#3 >>afk, lecture |
| 12:41.24 | JademusSreg | Clever. |
| 12:41.59 | JademusSreg | Clever using the base class type, and apparently useful. |
| 12:43.38 | EmperorZolden | there should be a way to control other players in test doc mode |
| 12:43.42 | EmperorZolden | anyone knows one? |
| 12:44.06 | JademusSreg | That's what AIs are for, Zol. =D |
| 12:44.29 | EmperorZolden | i want to control by myself |
| 12:44.33 | JademusSreg | Oh. |
| 12:44.41 | EmperorZolden | like select player 2's unit, command it |
| 12:44.44 | JademusSreg | alliancecontrol |
| 12:44.55 | JademusSreg | And alliancevision, of course, if needed |
| 12:44.59 | EmperorZolden | what if they are hostile to player 1? |
| 12:45.05 | JademusSreg | Doesn't matter. |
| 12:45.26 | EmperorZolden | it's set by trigger or in map options? |
| 12:46.27 | JademusSreg | It sets alliance states, of which the usual concept of "ally" is a construct for the states neutral, vision, pushable, chat, and trade or such. |
| 12:46.42 | JademusSreg | And those are commands you can enter. |
| 12:47.29 | EmperorZolden | ok |
| 12:47.52 | JademusSreg | alliancecontrol just gives you control of all the units on the map, if no argument is provided. But since they are not neutral toward one another, they'll still attack and behave in every way as they should. |
| 12:49.06 | JademusSreg | Ahli, very good find. I expect it has numerous applications. |
| 12:53.04 | JademusSreg | And yeah, since the Frame type doesn't support more than the basic elements shared by all child classes inheriting from CFrame, it would certainly make proper configuration challenging. |
| 12:54.04 | JademusSreg | Though one wonders if you may define verboten frame types with templates; since they aren't being instanced, should toss an error. |
| 12:54.23 | JademusSreg | *shouldn't |
| 12:55.15 | JademusSreg | Assuming that is the case, one could define a custom template of the desired type with the elements preconfigured from which the generic Frame may inherit. |
| 12:58.24 | JademusSreg | I'll copy-pasta the above to the topic, as well. |
| 13:01.23 | kingTD | how to import customInfoPanel.SC2Interface or .SC2layouts files? |
| 13:01.32 | JademusSreg | Carefully. |
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| 13:01.58 | JademusSreg | .SC2Interface is also known as Observer mods. |
| 13:02.42 | JademusSreg | .SC2Layouts can be imported into the correct path within the MPQ archive directory, -or- you can use the UI editor and simply copy-pasta. |
| 13:03.35 | kingTD | yeah. last variant already inprogress |
| 13:03.54 | EmperorZolden | JademusSreg can we declare functions with default values like this: f(int a, int b = 1){} to use them both f(1) and f(1, 2)? |
| 13:04.55 | JademusSreg | Not last I checked; galaxy is a shitty language. Also, it has no such polymorphism. |
| 13:05.04 | EmperorZolden | ok |
| 13:13.41 | Kueken | EmperorZolden: Set Alliance Aspect -> shared control |
| 13:13.46 | Kueken | oh |
| 13:13.52 | Kueken | was scrolled way up nvm |
| 13:14.32 | Kueken | I use that in most of my testmaps |
| 13:14.52 | EmperorZolden | Kueken is it trigger? |
| 13:14.57 | EmperorZolden | *action |
| 13:14.59 | Kueken | pretty funny to control hostile units, especially if they have vision issues you don't know anything about :D |
| 13:15.00 | Kueken | yes |
| 13:15.20 | JademusSreg | It's a -great- way to test unit tactical AIs. |
| 13:21.12 | G0A | Ahli I have trouble with your info panel, if I add xp behavior to the unit (xp bar) then the unit info panel disappears. Does that uses a separate different info panel than hero? |
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| 13:50.07 | Zolden | so if i have unit -> fidget -> turn = 0, it will guarantee, that unit will not turn while standing? |
| 13:50.39 | Dustin | ^ im pretty sure yes |
| 13:50.50 | kingTD | y |
| 13:51.09 | Zolden | and what "animation" and "idle" mean? |
| 13:51.27 | Zolden | does "animation" control that unit switches stand anim? |
| 13:51.37 | Zolden | and "idle" is what? |
| 13:51.54 | Zolden | i want a unit to only not turn, but change stand anims |
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| 13:57.22 | Kueken1 | Zolden: idle = do nothing, animation = play fidget animation |
| 13:58.12 | Zolden | ok |
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| 14:12.40 | Kueken | random youtube topcomment: |
| 14:12.55 | Kueken | "Freddy Mercury wasnt gay, he just ran out of women to fuck" |
| 14:13.29 | Zolden | :) |
| 14:14.46 | Zolden | but it's gay to find out that you ran out of women to fuck |
| 14:22.05 | Zolden | is unit type - a kind of unit reference? so if i assign unit instance to unit variable, i will convtrol the unit via this variable? |
| 14:22.49 | JademusSreg | Wat? |
| 14:22.52 | Dustin | Zolden, that made no sense |
| 14:23.15 | JademusSreg | Unit type is just a string of the unit's id in the XML data. |
| 14:23.42 | JademusSreg | So the function that gets unit type takes a unit and returns a string. |
| 14:24.17 | Zolden | ok, got it |
| 14:24.27 | JademusSreg | BUT. |
| 14:24.42 | JademusSreg | There is a way to use unit references in such a way. |
| 14:25.24 | Zolden | Dustin i'm a bit high and doubthy |
| 14:25.49 | JademusSreg | native unitref UnitRefFromVariable (string v); |
| 14:26.38 | JademusSreg | Takes a string (the variable's literal identifier) and returns a reference. |
| 14:26.39 | Zolden | JademusSreg and what is the difference? unit id is a number, unitref is a number |
| 14:26.58 | JademusSreg | native unit UnitRefToUnit (unitref r); This is used to dereference to get the unit again. |
| 14:27.17 | Zolden | what's the point, jade |
| 14:27.19 | JademusSreg | Zol, unit -type- id. |
| 14:27.32 | JademusSreg | A Marine has the unit type "Marine". |
| 14:27.53 | Zolden | i'm not talking about unit type, i'm talking about "unit" type |
| 14:28.06 | Zolden | not "unit type" type |
| 14:28.14 | JademusSreg | Sense has just not been made. |
| 14:28.25 | Dustin | Ok Zolden |
| 14:28.36 | Dustin | Are you asking about if you can assign a unit to a unit variable? |
| 14:28.40 | Dustin | Im so confused |
| 14:28.58 | Zolden | and i'm not confused anymore since i got the answer |
| 14:29.14 | Dustin | jade was atalking about unit type though |
| 14:29.17 | Dustin | talking* |
| 14:29.40 | Dustin | Whatever, lol Im just gonna go back to working :P |
| 14:29.47 | JademusSreg | Same. |
| 14:29.48 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 14:30.03 | Zolden | I interpreted his world in a error way, so incorrect interpretation of incorrct data gave me correct answer |
| 14:30.08 | Zolden | like double not |
| 14:32.03 | Kueken | Zolden: you can change the unit of a unitref |
| 14:32.22 | Kueken | and for example tie the unitref to a trigger |
| 14:32.47 | Kueken | if you then change the unitref, the trigger automatically works for the new unit |
| 14:32.57 | Ahli | G0A: the xp bar is part of the heroPanel... so, uhm... in theory you should be able to display the xp bar. I don't know if it updates, but it should be visible, I guess |
| 14:32.58 | Kueken | without the need to add a new event for that unit |
| 14:33.17 | Ahli | G0A: post your code. Then I can see if you do odd things or handle that thing correctly |
| 14:34.10 | Zolden | Kueken example? |
| 14:34.42 | Kueken | jade, which event uses unitref again? |
| 14:34.54 | JademusSreg | I'll make a list. |
| 14:35.34 | Kueken | Zolden just needs an example :D |
| 14:36.36 | G0A | Ahli the code is the same as yours, I just use it on a unit with not hidden veterancy (xp) behavior |
| 14:36.58 | G0A | on units with the behavior it works perfectly.D |
| 14:37.04 | G0A | without* |
| 14:37.33 | Ahli | so, you have normal units + veterancy behavior? |
| 14:37.38 | Zolden | meanwhile, i need to check unit's weapon range, and which action should i use to get it? Catalog Field Count? |
| 14:37.49 | G0A | Ahli yes |
| 14:37.55 | Ahli | catalog field value, zolden |
| 14:37.57 | Kueken | Catalog Field Value Get |
| 14:38.07 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/uqc3w |
| 14:38.22 | G0A | zolden catalog field value (string) |
| 14:38.33 | JademusSreg | Uses of unitref in natives.galaxy, though I may have missed a few. |
| 14:38.55 | JademusSreg | Need to find the correctly updated file. |
| 14:39.11 | Kueken | UnitRefFromVariable is an interesting one here |
| 14:39.19 | Kueken | you can use that, register an event for the variable |
| 14:39.49 | Kueken | so when you change the variable via trigger all events pointing to the unit will change to the new unit |
| 14:40.05 | Ahli | "verboten" is an Englisch word? that's such a German word.... |
| 14:40.17 | Zolden | should I check unit weapon [0] or [1]? |
| 14:40.25 | Zolden | it's 1 by default, but i can pick 0 |
| 14:40.47 | Kueken | pretty sure these lists start at 0 |
| 14:41.00 | Kueken | however Gui might subtract one? |
| 14:41.07 | Kueken | no idea |
| 14:41.21 | Kueken | maybe I mix up something |
| 14:41.24 | Ahli | try 0 |
| 14:41.34 | Ahli | it's catalog, catalog is basically proper galaxy code |
| 14:41.46 | JademusSreg | Ahli, I'm aware it's German, haha. |
| 14:41.49 | Zolden | Kueken i don't get it: i have a unit, i pass it to the function, it does stuff to it, and if i pass another unit, it will do stuff to another unit |
| 14:41.59 | Kueken | you can use the tooltip constructor to print you the correct path |
| 14:42.41 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 14:42.44 | Kueken | nah, Ahli, they added dropdowns :D |
| 14:43.06 | Kueken | Zolden: for example, you registed a "A unit dies" event |
| 14:43.17 | Kueken | this is registered for a unitref |
| 14:43.36 | Kueken | now, if you use some RPG, where your character evolves into new units |
| 14:44.05 | Kueken | you can just use unitref from variable, register that for your death event |
| 14:44.25 | Kueken | and now, every time you update the variable with a new unit, the trigger will only react to that unit |
| 14:44.27 | JademusSreg | Zol, care to describe your intent? |
| 14:44.36 | Zolden | Kueken ok, i see |
| 14:45.08 | JademusSreg | Because you seem to misunderstand, perhaps confusing it with how other languages work. |
| 14:45.11 | Zolden | JademusSreg i don't need unitref here |
| 14:46.00 | Zolden | JademusSreg I will use "unit" variables to keep the units I got from a loop to do things to that unit |
| 14:46.27 | JademusSreg | Rather vague. |
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| 14:47.41 | JademusSreg | For instance, I can do this: https://pastee.org/bys92 |
| 14:48.33 | JademusSreg | And from a vague description, that sounds like what you're trying to do. |
| 14:49.12 | G0A | So Ahli any idea how to get that dam level bar on normal unit frame? (I think lots of people would like that as the hero frame is a big pile of shit) |
| 14:50.13 | Zolden | will this return u's weapon range? CatalogFieldValueCount(c_gameCatalogWeapon, UnitWeaponGet(u, 0), "Range", 1); |
| 14:50.41 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 14:51.05 | JademusSreg | native string CatalogFieldValueGet (int catalog, string entry, string fieldPath, int player); |
| 14:51.54 | Ahli | g0a, I will try it now. :D |
| 14:52.11 | JademusSreg | Your function call would return 1, I expect. |
| 14:55.02 | Zolden | JademusSreg in my case i don't need funcref, i onlly have 1 function |
| 14:55.45 | Zolden | JademusSreg CatalogFieldValueGet returns string? |
| 14:57.16 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 14:57.26 | JademusSreg | Then you simply use StringToFixed. |
| 14:57.41 | G0A | Ahli thx! |
| 14:57.48 | Zolden | alright |
| 15:03.49 | Ahli | G0A: what do you need to do to make it appear for a hero unit? |
| 15:04.05 | Ahli | I've never worked with hero things ^^ |
| 15:04.32 | Ahli | well, I should add the behavior to the unit >_> |
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| 15:12.01 | G0A | Ahli yeah add the veterancy behavior and disable hidden flag on the behavior and then it should appear |
| 15:12.07 | Ahli | G0A: you need to use the HeroPanel, but then you can show equipment icons inside it... it's not possible to make the xpbar functional without having the game use the heroPanel |
| 15:14.50 | G0A | so I cant use your work around? |
| 15:15.27 | Ahli | which elements of the normal units stuff do you want to have? |
| 15:15.44 | Ahli | I assume the equipment thing? |
| 15:15.58 | Ahli | the armor/shield/weapons icons? |
| 15:16.33 | G0A | I want the normal armor and weapon buttons + the unit info text |
| 15:16.55 | Ahli | you can add those to the heroPanel |
| 15:16.59 | G0A | mainly the unit info text why I use it |
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| 15:26.00 | G0A | you can add the info text thingy to the hero panel? |
| 15:26.00 | G0A | and shield armor too? |
| 15:26.34 | G0A | seems like I have been doing something wrongly |
| 15:28.10 | Ahli | shield armor: no |
| 15:28.36 | Ahli | but you can add the default InfoUnitPane's InfoLabel with the same technic |
| 15:34.23 | G0A | :( |
| 15:34.27 | G0A | I need shield armor |
| 15:34.42 | G0A | I guess I will just stick with the dialog level bar |
| 15:35.32 | G0A | anyway somebody knows how does the auto turret birth animation works? (I want make it slower) |
| 15:36.51 | G0A | found it, is there way to make individual animations slower? |
| 15:38.48 | JademusSreg | Actor events, I expect. Catch the event responsible, play it slower. |
| 15:40.07 | JademusSreg | wonders what the unary promotion operator does to fixed type. |
| 15:44.59 | G0A | JademusSreg how do I make it play slower? |
| 15:45.04 | G0A | time variant? |
| 15:46.27 | JademusSreg | How many fields are there? |
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| 15:56.48 | G0A | JademusSreghttp://pbrd.co/HoPyxo |
| 16:01.49 | JademusSreg | Change the Time Type; it defines how the Time Variant field is used. |
| 16:10.42 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 16:10.53 | JademusSreg | Interesting. |
| 16:11.28 | JademusSreg | Galaxy may support the structure dereference operator. |
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| 16:25.24 | Zolden | overquacks duckies |
| 16:26.30 | duckies | looks skeptically at zolden |
| 16:27.31 | G0A | goa lets the terriers free and pulls the rifle out |
| 16:28.26 | duckies | puts on a lion costume |
| 16:28.46 | duckies | rawrs away the hounds |
| 16:30.57 | G0A | JademusSreg thx that worked |
| 16:31.10 | JademusSreg | Zugzug |
| 16:33.53 | Ahli | and what does the structure dereference operator do? |
| 16:34.25 | G0A | operates deference between structures:) |
| 16:35.55 | JademusSreg | Anyone ever tried using UnitRefFromVariable on a local variable, returning the unitref from the scope, thereby allowing the local variable to be deallocated? I wonder what the unitref would point to in that case. |
| 16:37.09 | kingTD | if unit have multiple Armor, type status (structure, light, biological) and attacking unit weapong have multiple attack damage bonus and negatives that are the damage may be changed (base 20 vs struct 10 vs light 55 vs biol 5k) so it will choose best option? Primary? or Averange? |
| 16:37.37 | Zolden | kingTD i only know hat it's complicated |
| 16:37.57 | JademusSreg | Twod, attribute bonus resolution is handled in the damage effect. |
| 16:39.13 | JademusSreg | Ahli, dunno how it would behave in this context, actually, since pointers aren't supported. |
| 16:40.13 | kingTD | Jade ohh I see. |
| 16:41.33 | JademusSreg | In a not-galaxy-script context, the structure dereference operator is used to get the values of a structure refered to by a pointer without needing to first dereference the pointer. |
| 16:47.54 | JademusSreg | If I could get the values from a color type without using natives, I could then do something like +a[0]+(+a[1]<<8)+(+a[2]<<16)+(+a[3]<<24); resulting in a single int containing the complete value of the color's 4 bytes. |
| 16:48.45 | JademusSreg | Could do that with natives, but the code would be ugly. |
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| 16:52.04 | Ahli | f*ck, now I bugged hearthstone |
| 16:52.09 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 16:52.58 | Ahli | now the game disconnected... did I do that causing a bug or did they restart hearthstone servers? |
| 16:54.09 | Dustin | http://codeangel.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/programming.gif |
| 16:55.35 | JademusSreg | Find me a gif depicting programming as though performed by a magical wizard. |
| 16:55.46 | Ahli | no, that is testing |
| 16:56.08 | Dustin | lol |
| 16:57.09 | JademusSreg | Testing makes me think of herding cattle. Unit testing makes me thing of prison guards counting inmates. |
| 16:58.35 | Ahli | now hearthstone is completly f*cked... I assume that the server died |
| 16:58.49 | Ahli | thus my game freaked out and now refuses to finish loading itself |
| 16:59.06 | Ahli | and refuses being terminated |
| 16:59.07 | JademusSreg | Naw, it just returned to the inn is all. |
| 17:01.39 | JademusSreg | Also tried testing an expression complex operator in galaxy, just spits a generic "Error initializing variable". |
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| 17:02.39 | JademusSreg | What's so difficult about int i = (1+1; 2+2); |
| 17:03.36 | JademusSreg | Oops |
| 17:03.47 | JademusSreg | (1+1, 2+2) |
| 17:03.53 | JademusSreg | Comma, haha. |
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| 17:11.18 | Zolden | interesting, how many bugs will my code have when I first time run it after 3 days of creating it without a possibility to test it because it won't show abyone untill all functions are done |
| 17:19.10 | JademusSreg | All of them. All the bugs. |
| 17:19.58 | Zolden | ;/ |
| 17:20.00 | Zolden | it will be alot |
| 17:29.54 | Zolden | int i; fixed f; f = (i - 1.0)/i; <-- can i be sure that "/" operation will work like operands are fixed? |
| 17:31.09 | JademusSreg | Often best to cast. IntToFixed. |
| 17:31.45 | JademusSreg | Otherwise it may fuck up the arithmetic. |
| 17:32.39 | Zolden | should i cast both or "- 1.0" guarantee that result is fixed? |
| 17:33.21 | JademusSreg | Err on the side of caution, but more importantly test when able. =D |
| 17:43.15 | Zolden | are function parameters constant or i can modify then? Function is defined like this f(int i), can I change "i" inside this function? |
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| 17:50.45 | JademusSreg | Not constant. |
| 17:52.35 | JademusSreg | Which is to say yes, modify them much as you like. |
| 17:53.39 | Zolden | good |
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| 18:53.59 | Zolden | anyone ever used UnitWeaponGet() function? |
| 19:02.29 | Zolden | oh, nvm |
| 19:13.49 | Ownage | can someone help me with a magazine abil |
| 19:15.05 | Kueken | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNe0ZUD19EE |
| 19:15.08 | Kueken | amazing |
| 19:15.16 | Kueken | how do they coordinate? |
| 19:15.39 | Kueken | gps? just memory & practice? |
| 19:18.34 | Zolden | my guess: just memory & practice |
| 19:18.54 | Ownage | trying to build a carrier launch type of attack. but right now my units just walk up and just stand there |
| 19:18.57 | Ownage | nothing comes out |
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| 19:23.43 | Zolden | meybe there should be wanderer behavior |
| 19:25.19 | Kueken | the marching band definitely had a wander behavior |
| 19:25.50 | Kueken | JademusSreg: Baduntss |
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| 19:27.24 | Ownage | I'm talking about the host unit |
| 19:27.30 | Ownage | nothing spawns or happens |
| 19:30.27 | Zolden | it's trivial, but inspecting the original attach should help |
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| 19:42.30 | Zolden | strange, i was too high that function to work, but it worked... maybe i wasn't too high? |
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| 19:54.58 | Ownage | help meeeeeee |
| 19:55.43 | Zolden | cmon, ownage, it's a standard magazine abil |
| 19:56.10 | Ownage | that's why I need help, no idea why it doesn't work |
| 19:56.20 | Fate_ | what u want to do? |
| 19:56.21 | Ownage | the damn button doesn't even show up |
| 19:57.11 | Ownage | launch some units |
| 19:57.20 | Ownage | trying to make reaver scarab weapon |
| 19:57.34 | Ownage | I had it pretty good too but I was tired and I changed a bunch of stuff and now it doesn't work |
| 19:58.19 | Fate_ | if u messed it up it might be better to start again |
| 20:00.18 | Ownage | alright I'll start it over |
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| 20:12.04 | Repo | Updated wiki entry: Galaxy / Data / Behaviors / Buff - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/behaviors/buff/ |
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| 20:30.01 | Ownage | I just don't get this |
| 20:30.12 | Ownage | there are no requirement nodes or requirements attached to this ability |
| 20:30.20 | Ownage | yet it doesn't show up in game on the unit |
| 20:30.50 | Ahli | the unit is connected with another unit via a morph ability? |
| 20:31.34 | Ahli | *is the unit connected with another unit via a morph ability? |
| 20:31.42 | Fate_ | are u trying to make a magazine ability? |
| 20:31.44 | Ownage | it's an arm magazine |
| 20:32.31 | Ownage | driving me fucking nuts |
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| 20:32.47 | Fate_ | does ur unit have the abliliy for the trainlist? |
| 20:33.01 | Fate_ | or buildlist or whatever it is called |
| 20:33.14 | Ownage | it has queue 5 and the arm magazine abil |
| 20:33.15 | Fate_ | list hangar or sth like that |
| 20:33.24 | Ownage | the button is tied to the arm magazine ammo1 |
| 20:33.54 | Fate_ | u added the button in the command card right? |
| 20:34.03 | Ownage | yes |
| 20:34.27 | Fate_ | and connected with the right ablity orders |
| 20:34.41 | Ownage | yes ammo1 |
| 20:35.07 | Fate_ | your ability has as order this icon |
| 20:35.33 | Ownage | right |
| 20:36.09 | Ownage | would you like to see the xml |
| 20:36.27 | Fate_ | i am not that familär with xml |
| 20:36.35 | Fate_ | but if u are i can send u mine |
| 20:36.49 | Ownage | I am |
| 20:38.51 | Fate_ | http://peeeq.de/code.php?id=6875 |
| 20:39.16 | Fate_ | it has many units in it |
| 20:39.32 | Fate_ | and i does not launch the units |
| 20:39.41 | Fate_ | the units are dummys |
| 20:40.55 | Ownage | I already have a spell that doesn't launch the units :( |
| 20:41.15 | Ownage | can you send me the unit xml |
| 20:41.20 | Ownage | the host unit |
| 20:42.31 | Fate_ | http://peeeq.de/code.php?id=6876 |
| 20:42.41 | Fate_ | one of the hosts |
| 20:44.57 | Ownage | can you send me the weapon xml too |
| 20:45.21 | Fate_ | of witch weapon? |
| 20:46.00 | Ownage | the launch weapon |
| 20:46.10 | Fate_ | the units weapons have nothing to do with the magasine ability |
| 20:46.42 | Fate_ | and as i said it does not launch units |
| 20:46.47 | Ownage | I see |
| 20:46.49 | Ownage | ok thanks |
| 20:47.43 | Fate_ | i can triy to make a normal magazine abi and send u the map if u want |
| 20:49.01 | Ownage | I have one that works thanks |
| 20:49.12 | Ownage | I'll try to copy from that map |
| 20:49.16 | Fate_ | allrigt then |
| 20:50.05 | Zolden | interesting angle to bottom right returned by angle between points function will be like -45' or like 215'? |
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| 20:55.06 | Ownage | I think I know the god damn stupid problem |
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| 20:55.14 | Ownage | god damn editor piece of crap |
| 20:57.05 | kingTD | solved! |
| 20:57.20 | Ownage | yep |
| 20:57.28 | Ownage | god damn piece of shit editor I hate you sometimes |
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| 20:58.03 | kingTD | WHY U NO LUV ME?!?!?!?! |
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| 21:00.07 | Fate_ | XD |
| 21:00.23 | Fate_ | its the EMPEROR! |
| 21:00.42 | Fate_ | FOR THE EMPEROR!!!!! |
| 21:01.33 | Fate_ | ah i need to add some space marines in my map^^ |
| 21:02.33 | EmperorZolden | I ORDER YOU |
| 21:02.36 | EmperorZolden | TO ADD SPACE MARINES TO YOUR MAP |
| 21:02.38 | EmperorZolden | NOW! |
| 21:03.17 | Fate_ | YES MY LORD! |
| 21:03.31 | kingTD | *Emperor |
| 21:03.32 | EmperorZolden | kingTD I COMMAND YOU |
| 21:03.37 | EmperorZolden | TO MONKEY JUMP |
| 21:03.39 | EmperorZolden | NOW |
| 21:03.57 | kingTD | has not a fucking clue what that suppose to mean.. |
| 21:04.21 | EmperorZolden | GUARDS! GET HIM! HE DISOBEYED! |
| 21:04.39 | Fate_ | MY LORD I NEED A COMMANDER MODEL |
| 21:04.48 | Fate_ | LEAD ME! |
| 21:04.58 | EmperorZolden | there is a chance i'll make what Trieave asked |
| 21:05.02 | kingTD | fate wtf... Lord =! Emperor ? |
| 21:05.39 | Fate_ | DONT QUESTION MY RELIGION HERETIC!!! |
| 21:06.13 | EmperorZolden | kingTD http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Lord_Emperor |
| 21:06.54 | kingTD | EmperorZolden http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110414181624/swfanon/images/thumb/c/cb/Pock_Zin%27s_lighsaber.jpg/250px-Pock_Zin%27s_lighsaber.jpg |
| 21:07.37 | EmperorZolden | wrong, it's not monkey jump |
| 21:13.33 | EmperorZolden | i can show a trick |
| 21:13.56 | EmperorZolden | first, there is a group of units http://i.snag.gy/v2e0o.jpg |
| 21:15.12 | EmperorZolden | and after a test command they http://i.snag.gy/2Edvh.jpg |
| 21:19.14 | EmperorZolden | but what if there are alot of units? http://i.snag.gy/yB8Yw.jpg |
| 21:19.20 | EmperorZolden | yea |
| 21:19.39 | EmperorZolden | not like in squad td, just an ugly bunch of units after teleportation |
| 21:19.54 | EmperorZolden | a perfect order, that's how shit works in smarter maps |
| 21:21.17 | kingTD | Why does buttons like View gone (effects in Behaviors to have direct opening of effect, or weapon with missiles and shit) |
| 21:22.32 | kingTD | EmperorZolden do you will work on UI and Terrain? I would have interest in making proper terrain atleast to look at :/ |
| 21:24.11 | EmperorZolden | kingTD maybe you have accidently disabled them? |
| 21:24.17 | EmperorZolden | Zolden |
| 21:24.20 | kingTD | mb |
| 21:24.48 | Zolden | I will make some functions to generate terrain aobjects |
| 21:25.02 | Zolden | also will add some splats |
| 21:25.29 | Zolden | but there is a chance that I will consider your intention about terrain editing |
| 21:27.17 | kingTD | well when choosing other view like in tabs and all that UI shit there is view button but not when opening the Choosing the Effects and shits |
| 21:28.28 | Zolden | each tab has its own state |
| 21:28.35 | Zolden | jsut enable it for effects and shit |
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| 22:00.20 | Ownage | my ammo unit don't have the behaviors of their parent |
| 22:00.26 | Ownage | is there some flag I need to set for this |
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| 22:37.29 | unclesatan | not sure why, but when I loop through 14 players, in my test map, it loops and adds players to a team based on lobby positions.. it should only be detecting player 1, but even though player 14 is a human user, it detects that player (not any of the others..) and adds it to a team |
| 22:37.59 | unclesatan | there shouldn't be any players being detected as "active" when you test your map correct? |
| 22:38.27 | unclesatan | besides player 1 of course |
| 22:38.51 | A1win | all user and computer players are active |
| 22:39.27 | A1win | when testing, only you and computers |
| 22:39.49 | unclesatan | alright |
| 22:40.23 | unclesatan | so i wonder why it's detecting player 14 as a computer |
| 22:40.41 | A1win | dunno what you mean by "detecting" |
| 22:40.47 | Ahli | you've added a computer in the lobby? |
| 22:40.54 | unclesatan | player 14 is a player |
| 22:41.18 | unclesatan | by detecting, i mean the function is giving me information that says "player 14 is active" |
| 22:41.35 | unclesatan | but it's not a computer |
| 22:41.39 | A1win | if the slot is filled by a user or a computer, the player is active |
| 22:42.03 | unclesatan | alright |
| 22:42.10 | A1win | also what exactly do you use to detect that the player is "active"? |
| 22:42.28 | unclesatan | well the function also tells me that the rest of the players are active, but when the trigger tries to add them to the player group, only player 14 gets added |
| 22:42.50 | A1win | sounds like your logic is flawed, then |
| 22:43.31 | unclesatan | https://pastee.org/xvqag |
| 22:44.01 | A1win | I'm not familiar with the function script names and parameters |
| 22:44.30 | unclesatan | there's not much to it |
| 22:44.57 | A1win | err doesn't that just test alliance? nothing to do with players being active or not |
| 22:45.01 | unclesatan | libNtve_gf_PlayerIsEnemy (1, i, 0)) would be the GUI equivalent of detecting whether or not the relationship between 2 players is enemy |
| 22:45.38 | unclesatan | that's only half the script |
| 22:45.43 | A1win | do you put the players in teams in the lobby? |
| 22:45.46 | unclesatan | this is the part that is going wrong |
| 22:45.50 | unclesatan | yes |
| 22:45.56 | unclesatan | teams are fine in lobby, 2 teams, 7 players each |
| 22:45.59 | A1win | why don't you use "player on team" function? |
| 22:46.17 | unclesatan | because that also was giving me the same issues |
| 22:46.27 | unclesatan | this is after i've tried messing with my code and all the diff functions i could try |
| 22:47.06 | A1win | you should probably test that the player actually is Playing before you start comparing its alliance or team |
| 22:47.28 | unclesatan | either way, all players are genuinely displayed as active, but only player 1 and 14 are actually added to any player groups. |
| 22:48.12 | unclesatan | https://pastee.org/uwxrm |
| 22:48.16 | unclesatan | they are |
| 22:49.08 | unclesatan | shows 2 players are added to the player group through this loop |
| 22:49.31 | unclesatan | but through debug i also found out that it does indeed show all 14 players as active |
| 22:49.54 | unclesatan | if they're all active why aren't they all added to player groups respectively? |
| 22:50.46 | A1win | can't spot anything wrong in those pastes, so I assume you still didn't show everything |
| 22:51.01 | unclesatan | here let me reiterate my problem, 14 players are detected as active, yet only player 1 and 14 are added to the group (testing map through editor) |
| 22:51.10 | unclesatan | no that's the other half of the script that deals with this |
| 22:51.36 | unclesatan | it adds all active players to a player group, which I was supposed to use to get the teams |
| 22:52.06 | A1win | umm |
| 22:52.15 | A1win | you can't add players to the premade groups |
| 22:52.21 | unclesatan | which then i detect alliance status or relationship status whichever one works, and add the players to the correct playergroup |
| 22:52.28 | A1win | Team1 = PlayerGroupActive(); |
| 22:52.29 | A1win | PlayerGroupAdd(Team1, i); |
| 22:52.37 | unclesatan | Team1 is a global variable |
| 22:52.42 | A1win | Team1 should be made a copy of PlayerGroupActive() |
| 22:52.57 | A1win | player group variables are pointers |
| 22:53.22 | unclesatan | I used that function because I didn't think it was adding players to the right group, that could easily be erased ( PlayerGroupActive() function that is) |
| 22:53.28 | A1win | err that doesn't even make sense |
| 22:53.48 | A1win | you should initialize Team1 and Team2 outside the loop |
| 22:53.54 | A1win | now it's resetting them every iteration |
| 22:54.26 | unclesatan | So the function PlayerGroupActive resets the entire player group and removes all players from it? |
| 22:54.34 | A1win | no |
| 22:54.41 | A1win | setting the variable resets it |
| 22:54.46 | A1win | to PlayerGroupActive() |
| 22:55.13 | A1win | just remove Team1 = PlayerGroupActive(); from the loop |
| 22:55.20 | A1win | and set it to an empty player group before the loop |
| 22:55.24 | unclesatan | lol i added it to the loop and nothing changed is what i'm saying |
| 22:55.26 | A1win | (not null) |
| 22:55.34 | unclesatan | i can easily remove it and nothing will change again |
| 22:55.54 | A1win | what is it before the loop? |
| 22:56.25 | unclesatan | Team1 is a global player group |
| 22:56.32 | unclesatan | that is empty |
| 22:56.51 | A1win | empty or null? |
| 22:57.05 | unclesatan | empty |
| 22:58.11 | A1win | dunno |
| 22:58.53 | unclesatan | must i initialize the player group with PlayerGroupActive() before I put players into it? because I've used player groups before without having to do that |
| 22:59.00 | A1win | no |
| 22:59.07 | unclesatan | i just removed that line and yeah nothing changed |
| 22:59.36 | unclesatan | sorry for leaving artifacts in the script like that, after a while you just start adding and removing everything you can think of |
| 22:59.44 | A1win | <.< |
| 22:59.47 | unclesatan | i can't figure this out |
| 22:59.52 | unclesatan | so there's remnants |
| 23:01.10 | unclesatan | ugh i've just been messing with lobby detecting for like half a year on and off |
| 23:01.16 | unclesatan | it really does suck trying to achieve it with gscript |
| 23:02.02 | A1win | why do you use script if you have so much trouble with it? |
| 23:02.15 | unclesatan | i normally don't |
| 23:02.26 | unclesatan | this is just ridiculous though |
| 23:02.43 | A1win | it should be a very simple thing to do |
| 23:02.58 | unclesatan | it should theoretically be |
| 23:03.00 | unclesatan | but |
| 23:03.00 | A1win | maybe you have put stuff in the wrong place ein the script |
| 23:03.06 | A1win | -e |
| 23:03.15 | unclesatan | when blizzard gives you faulty libNtve functions sometimes it sucks |
| 23:03.24 | unclesatan | i can't tell if it's my script or theirs |
| 23:03.29 | A1win | it's yours ;p |
| 23:03.36 | unclesatan | because it's been so often that libNtve functions just plain did not work |
| 23:03.41 | A1win | I haven't had any problems with it |
| 23:03.49 | unclesatan | the script i wrote is simple |
| 23:03.50 | A1win | I mean with this particular issue |
| 23:03.59 | A1win | could still be wrong ;p |
| 23:04.04 | unclesatan | i just don't see how |
| 23:04.12 | unclesatan | i used every single method of detecting alliance/relationship possible |
| 23:04.16 | A1win | I can't really help with it, I only use the GUI |
| 23:04.36 | A1win | I doubt the problem is in the method of detecting alliance/team |
| 23:04.57 | A1win | you might just be using the player groups wrong |
| 23:05.05 | A1win | like in those examples you gave ;p |
| 23:05.26 | unclesatan | lol.... |
| 23:05.45 | unclesatan | i don't see how i was using them wrong |
| 23:05.53 | unclesatan | when |
| 23:05.58 | unclesatan | the line you thought was a problem was removed and nothing changed |
| 23:06.10 | unclesatan | literally all that was was debug |
| 23:06.13 | A1win | the line I pointed out was definitely a problem |
| 23:06.19 | A1win | you just have some other problem somewhere |
| 23:06.30 | unclesatan | ok |
| 23:06.36 | unclesatan | if that player group was resetting itself every time |
| 23:06.38 | unclesatan | it looped |
| 23:06.44 | unclesatan | it could not have possibly had 2 players in it at any time |
| 23:06.52 | A1win | it was also setting it to point at a function reference |
| 23:06.57 | A1win | so that didn't make any sense at all |
| 23:07.01 | A1win | not even sure how it'd work |
| 23:07.05 | unclesatan | it didn't |
| 23:07.08 | unclesatan | it didn't do anything |
| 23:07.28 | unclesatan | that's why i have to try all of these different things |
| 23:07.37 | unclesatan | because at this point it could be anything.. lol |
| 23:07.45 | A1win | make it in GUI and look at the script it generates |
| 23:08.02 | A1win | (if you can even get the GUI version to work) |
| 23:08.21 | unclesatan | i actually did that, and that's where I got PlayerIsEnemy from |
| 23:09.08 | A1win | well that shouldn't be the issue |
| 23:09.18 | A1win | though I'd still use player on team for what you're doing |
| 23:10.12 | A1win | anyway I'm too lazy to open the editor right now so can't really help efficiently ;p |
| 23:11.22 | unclesatan | the only other function that can tell whether or not 2 players are on a team together is this |
| 23:11.22 | unclesatan | PlayerGetAlliance ( int inSourcePlayer, preset inAllianceId, int inTargetPlayer ) |
| 23:11.31 | unclesatan | which was what it was before I went and did the GUI thing |
| 23:13.02 | unclesatan | which like i said, it detects that players 1 and 14 are allied, no matter what happens, and adds an invisible "player 14" to Team 1 when there shouldn't even be a player to add |
| 23:13.25 | unclesatan | cause it's a test map |
| 23:13.44 | unclesatan | i don't get it, i've never had a trigger detect player 14 before for any reason when i'm testing |
| 23:16.38 | Ownage | what are you trying to do |
| 23:16.53 | unclesatan | oh you know, the typical detecting lobby teams |
| 23:17.09 | A1win | fine I'll make a script for you ;p |
| 23:17.18 | Ownage | how many players are you not using |
| 23:17.29 | unclesatan | i can create physics with script, but i can't figure out why this is failing |
| 23:17.34 | unclesatan | i'm using 14 humans |
| 23:17.37 | unclesatan | player 15 is hostile |
| 23:17.44 | Ownage | and player 0? |
| 23:17.53 | unclesatan | i assume that is neutral |
| 23:17.58 | unclesatan | yes it's neutral |
| 23:18.01 | Ownage | there are 16 players |
| 23:18.02 | Ownage | ok |
| 23:18.05 | Ownage | and how many teams? |
| 23:18.14 | unclesatan | yes but my loop does not detect neutral/hostile |
| 23:18.16 | unclesatan | 2 |
| 23:18.24 | Ownage | I don't care about your loop |
| 23:18.24 | unclesatan | only loops 1-14 |
| 23:18.31 | Ownage | I'm asking about your map |
| 23:18.33 | Ownage | ok |
| 23:18.48 | Ownage | and you want people to move around in lobby or not |
| 23:18.56 | unclesatan | people can move around in lobby yes. |
| 23:19.05 | A1win | https://pastee.org/f29f9 |
| 23:19.07 | unclesatan | the variant is set properly |
| 23:20.07 | unclesatan | my loop looked like a concise version of that before i started fucking with it because it was detecting an invisible player 14 |
| 23:20.22 | unclesatan | just like the GUI version did |
| 23:20.57 | unclesatan | it's adding player 14 to team1, but like i said, it's a test map, there is no player 14 to be heard of |
| 23:21.07 | unclesatan | and if there is, why isn't there player 13 |
| 23:21.32 | Ownage | hard to answer without the actual map |
| 23:21.33 | A1win | what do you mean by test map? |
| 23:21.38 | A1win | aren't you testing it on bnet? |
| 23:21.43 | unclesatan | i mean i click the test button |
| 23:22.04 | A1win | obviously the Players On Team function won't work anywhere but on bnet :X |
| 23:22.09 | A1win | there is no lobby in local test |
| 23:22.21 | unclesatan | until now |
| 23:22.26 | unclesatan | they were not detecting a player 14 |
| 23:22.52 | unclesatan | idk why suddenly player 14 is being added to my player groups and screwing with my code, but it's happening and that is my problem. |
| 23:22.57 | Ownage | there are two test modes |
| 23:23.30 | Ownage | if you're playing a game on bnet and then it ends for example and then you hit the test mode button |
| 23:23.34 | Ownage | you will be still on bnet |
| 23:23.41 | Ownage | and things will be different in your map because of that |
| 23:23.48 | unclesatan | !!!!!!!!! |
| 23:23.50 | Ownage | for example you will be able to see your handle |
| 23:24.09 | unclesatan | damn, I wish I knew that one like 8 months ago |
| 23:24.22 | unclesatan | so all I have to do is go start an arcade map by myself then click test map |
| 23:24.31 | unclesatan | to see what it would do on bnet |
| 23:24.37 | A1win | nope |
| 23:24.44 | A1win | there still won't be a lobby |
| 23:24.46 | Ownage | it doesn't inherit everything |
| 23:24.55 | Ownage | just some cached bnet stuff |
| 23:25.04 | A1win | if you're testing bnet lobby, you need to publish the map |
| 23:25.11 | A1win | just publish as private and locked |
| 23:25.23 | Ownage | it might get the lobby actually |
| 23:25.36 | unclesatan | hmm |
| 23:25.43 | Ownage | I say this because the loading screen will show your actual player on a side of the map |
| 23:25.51 | Ownage | though I've not confirmed that at all |
| 23:26.09 | Ownage | I just know that sometimes I play online then after game I test map, and find it in some ways thinks its online |
| 23:26.31 | A1win | yeah you can do that just by hitting test in editor, F10, quit, log in, hit test in editor again |
| 23:26.43 | A1win | err not quit |
| 23:26.44 | A1win | end game |
| 23:26.55 | A1win | or I guess it's called quit |
| 23:26.56 | Ownage | you might be able to do that by logging in via the editor too I imagine |
| 23:27.03 | A1win | nah |
| 23:27.12 | A1win | you need to log in separately for the game and editor |
| 23:27.36 | A1win | if you log in in the editor, it logs you out in-game |
| 23:28.01 | Ownage | oh right, and the game is inheriting its log in status |
| 23:28.09 | Ownage | hence the bug we're talking about of it seeing cached stuff |
| 23:28.11 | unclesatan | man starcraft is silly |
| 23:28.20 | unclesatan | i've used alot of engines |
| 23:28.25 | unclesatan | but this is amusing to say the least |
| 23:28.28 | A1win | ;x |
| 23:28.37 | A1win | yeah the lobby is pretty horrible |
| 23:28.38 | Ownage | it's all this stupid 'forced to play online' crap |
| 23:28.48 | unclesatan | the lobby is easily the most frustrating thing |
| 23:29.02 | unclesatan | you'd think that any blizz employee would have noticed that when making maps |
| 23:29.08 | unclesatan | like aiur chef |
| 23:29.09 | unclesatan | lol |
| 23:29.29 | unclesatan | even starcraft1 had easy ways to check that shit |
| 23:29.32 | unclesatan | much easier |
| 23:29.41 | Ownage | when you made the software you tend to defend it and think it's great |
| 23:29.54 | unclesatan | i guess |
| 23:29.57 | Ownage | usually takes an outside perspective and reason from above to fix stuff like that |
| 23:30.13 | Ownage | I agree the lobby and teams stuff is absolutely horrible |
| 23:30.28 | Ownage | I just do it by player number and force everything |
| 23:30.44 | A1win | mm I keep all players in one team in lobby and sort everything in-game |
| 23:30.51 | unclesatan | i thought about doing that |
| 23:31.11 | Ownage | using player number makes everything a million times easier |
| 23:31.13 | A1win | though a two-team map should be pretty easy to set up in lobby |
| 23:31.32 | unclesatan | the problem with the lobby is that when a player joins, they become the next "number" in line |
| 23:31.33 | Ownage | yes it SHOULD be ;) |
| 23:31.35 | unclesatan | no matter if they swap teams |
| 23:31.46 | unclesatan | i don't know why they thought that was a good idea |
| 23:31.51 | Ownage | yeah but you can set the numbers to teams |
| 23:31.59 | Ownage | so next member will go to other team |
| 23:32.14 | Ownage | so team 1 would be 1,3,5,etc |
| 23:32.32 | unclesatan | true |
| 23:33.05 | unclesatan | i just thnk player 2 could potentially be in the player 11 slot and it would be hard to detect that with the way starcraft2 has it's setup |
| 23:33.23 | unclesatan | you should be able to at least detect lobby slots that would make me happy |
| 23:33.26 | Ownage | you can use player controller check |
| 23:33.40 | Ownage | if it's user, they chose that slot basically |
| 23:33.52 | Ownage | you can also check handle of player |
| 23:33.57 | Ownage | at map init |
| 23:34.39 | Ownage | in my last map I just did my own active_players pg and built it at map init |
| 23:34.47 | Ownage | then removed players from it when they leave or whatever |
| 23:35.24 | unclesatan | ah |
| 23:35.29 | unclesatan | that's a good solution too |
| 23:35.41 | unclesatan | i think i have a new lead, i'm erasing what i wrote |
| 23:35.42 | unclesatan | lol. |
| 23:35.55 | Ownage | if you make a function for that, you can do like, pick each player in (active_players()) |
| 23:36.14 | Ownage | or players_on_team(x) |
| 23:36.16 | Ownage | or whatever |
| 23:37.14 | unclesatan | right |
| 23:39.47 | unclesatan | the new script i wrote is no longer detecting an invisible player 14...... |
| 23:39.53 | unclesatan | ghost shit right there |
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