| 00:00.04 | Kueken | hey |
| 00:00.26 | Kueken | not from memory |
| 00:00.40 | Kueken | but I assume it takes 2 unit parameters, or 1 unit and 1 unit type? |
| 00:01.01 | Deathbringer | I thought you had to select an item? |
| 00:01.19 | Kueken | item = unit |
| 00:01.24 | Kueken | all items are units as well |
| 00:01.36 | Deathbringer | Oh |
| 00:01.40 | Deathbringer | So how does it work? |
| 00:02.47 | Kueken | well, you probably pass the holding unit and the item unit/unit type as a parameter and it will return true or false, depending on if the holding unit has the item/type |
| 00:03.14 | Kueken | (I should probably look at the function before :D) |
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| 00:03.49 | hobbidude | is it possible to modify a units single abilitys cooldown? |
| 00:04.07 | Kueken | ah |
| 00:04.25 | Kueken | Deathbringer: it takes the unit holding the item, and the inventory slot |
| 00:04.38 | Kueken | and it returns the item in that slot |
| 00:04.59 | Kueken | every inventory slot has a number associated |
| 00:05.17 | Deathbringer | How do you set it to any slot? |
| 00:05.41 | Kueken | hobbidude: via trigger, yes. Via data, no idea, I wouldn't know how |
| 00:05.48 | Zolden | Ahli will you stream the panels? |
| 00:05.56 | Kueken | Deathbringer: you can loop all slots probably |
| 00:06.11 | hobbidude | kk ya i was looking for data. i know buffs can do it but its for the whole unit |
| 00:06.13 | Ahli | no, I don't think I will stream ^^ |
| 00:06.26 | Deathbringer | Through a function? |
| 00:06.29 | Kueken | or you use the Inventory Items Carried function |
| 00:06.45 | Zolden | Ahli will you at least watch? |
| 00:06.47 | Kueken | which returns a unit group holding all items held by that unit |
| 00:06.50 | Deathbringer | I'm using Item Carried |
| 00:06.59 | Kueken | itemS |
| 00:07.02 | Ahli | ofc I will watch^^ |
| 00:07.25 | hobbidude | looks like a modify unit effect might work |
| 00:07.29 | Zolden | Ahli "somoene" who purchaced it for you was you? |
| 00:07.38 | Deathbringer | I have that |
| 00:07.43 | Kueken | hobbidude: it might |
| 00:08.04 | Ahli | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.05 | Deathbringer | Kueken I have Iventory Items Carried |
| 00:08.27 | Ahli | staredit.net admin and employe of Blizzard's cinematic team |
| 00:08.28 | Zolden | who's Devlin and why he did it? |
| 00:08.29 | Kueken | great, what do you want to do with it? |
| 00:08.44 | Deathbringer | How do you pick an item? |
| 00:08.52 | Kueken | devlin is a gatekeeper in borderlands 2 |
| 00:09.14 | Ahli | davlin is an American name, I believe |
| 00:09.18 | Ahli | *devlin |
| 00:09.22 | Kueken | Deathbringer: you have a group with all items |
| 00:09.37 | Kueken | just loop through it until you got the one you need |
| 00:10.49 | Deathbringer | I only see the items placed on the map. |
| 00:11.18 | Deathbringer | I need to pick it from the data |
| 00:11.52 | Kueken | okay, what exactly should happen? |
| 00:12.42 | Deathbringer | I need it to find the item in the bags. |
| 00:12.49 | Deathbringer | Cause the item can only be bought. |
| 00:12.54 | Deathbringer | Not placed on the map. |
| 00:14.09 | Kueken | so you have an item of a specific type, and you want to check if a unit holds an item of that type and/or access that item with a trigger? |
| 00:14.33 | Deathbringer | Yes |
| 00:15.16 | Kueken | then I suggest you use a "Pick each unit in unit group" loop on the unit group returned by the "Items Carried" function |
| 00:15.40 | Kueken | and check the individual units for their IDs and compare them to the ID of the item you need |
| 00:16.09 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.21 | Kueken | exactly |
| 00:16.26 | Deathbringer | What do I put in Last created units? |
| 00:16.44 | Kueken | replace the (last created units) with your Items Carried |
| 00:16.50 | Deathbringer | Oh |
| 00:16.55 | Kueken | might probably use a variable for readability |
| 00:17.03 | Kueken | *want to use |
| 00:17.11 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.14 | Deathbringer | Kk now what? |
| 00:17.45 | Kueken | now compare the unit type of the picked unit with the unit type of the item you need |
| 00:17.56 | Kueken | using an If/then/else |
| 00:18.24 | Deathbringer | Kk, then...? |
| 00:18.59 | Kueken | if it gets to the "then" part of the if, the Picked Unit is your desired item |
| 00:19.15 | Kueken | you can proceed from there, saving it in a variable might be a logical step |
| 00:20.03 | Kueken | this is all very basic trigger logic btw, I suggest you have a look at some basic triggering tutorials |
| 00:20.35 | Deathbringer | Wait so I put Picked unit in If correct? |
| 00:20.41 | hobbidude | in a behaviors validators does the count mean the number of stacks of the particular buff? |
| 00:20.59 | hobbidude | or just overall buffs |
| 00:21.19 | Kueken | in the if you compare the Unit Type of the Picked Unit with your desired item |
| 00:21.22 | Kueken | http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/game/maps-and-mods/tutorials/trigger/1 |
| 00:21.37 | Kueken | this for example is a tutorial by Blizzard for the trigger editor |
| 00:22.01 | Kueken | hobbidude: stacks of the specified behavior |
| 00:22.07 | hobbidude | ty |
| 00:22.18 | Kueken | if you don't specify one it might count overall stacks, not sure |
| 00:22.21 | Kueken | never tried that |
| 00:22.31 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.33 | Deathbringer | Right? |
| 00:22.40 | Kueken | sounds good |
| 00:23.03 | Kueken | oh wait |
| 00:23.08 | Kueken | unit type of picked unit |
| 00:23.11 | Kueken | not triggering |
| 00:23.31 | Deathbringer | Picked Unit, right? |
| 00:23.37 | Kueken | yes |
| 00:23.50 | Kueken | and for the value 2, you would select the unit type of your item |
| 00:24.46 | Deathbringer | Okay, and I have one more question, if you made it so if someone dies and be revived would the same unit be revived? |
| 00:25.39 | Kueken | if you use the proper revive data/trigger functions, yes, it would be considered the same unit |
| 00:26.26 | Kueken | not everything is preserved through death, though, certain behaviors might get lost for example |
| 00:26.28 | MoonEater_ | Hi Deathbringer |
| 00:27.01 | Deathbringer | Hey soul |
| 00:27.15 | Deathbringer | Cause if the same unit is not revived, my triggers will not work. |
| 00:27.24 | Deathbringer | And its replaced with a new. |
| 00:38.16 | hobbidude | gaa can you not use a modify effect to change an abilities cooldown to more than it original was? |
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| 01:11.18 | hobbidude | is there a trick to getting buffs to stack? |
| 01:12.52 | Kueken | set maximum stack count > 1 |
| 01:13.32 | hobbidude | did that |
| 01:14.03 | hobbidude | i guess stack don't show ingame either for debugging |
| 01:14.39 | Ownage | the effect adds to itself |
| 01:14.48 | Ownage | but no you don't get the little icon over and over |
| 01:15.05 | Ownage | change the buff to also add something obvious like 1 armor to test it |
| 01:15.33 | Ownage | or make a debug trigger: player 1 selects unit, text message stack count for your behavior |
| 01:15.51 | hobbidude | armor will work for debugging |
| 01:15.54 | hobbidude | ty |
| 01:15.55 | Ownage | can someone help me understand how to make actors look at a unit |
| 01:16.16 | Ownage | I have Actor - Make (Actor stored for unit (Picked unit) at index (Picked integer)) look at (Actor for builder[(Picked integer)]) using look at type Instant Standing |
| 01:16.32 | Ownage | I get an error about unassigned look at source |
| 01:16.53 | hobbidude | can't you just rotate the unit? |
| 01:17.21 | Ownage | it's not a unit |
| 01:17.24 | hobbidude | theres also another simple line thats make actor face |
| 01:17.26 | Ownage | it's an actor |
| 01:17.27 | hobbidude | instead of look |
| 01:17.32 | JademusSreg | Zooop. |
| 01:17.38 | Ownage | face is for angle |
| 01:17.45 | Ownage | I want it to look at the position of a unit |
| 01:18.54 | hobbidude | can trigger start an target ability instead of using a hotkey so you can then click? |
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| 01:19.11 | JademusSreg | Like in WC3? No. |
| 01:19.40 | JademusSreg | You can fake it, sure, but not directly. |
| 01:19.53 | hobbidude | how so? |
| 01:20.06 | hobbidude | wouldn't you need to double click |
| 01:20.55 | JademusSreg | How to fake it? You'd need to use actors to do some cursor target shit and trigger the response, basically. |
| 01:21.25 | hobbidude | i think you misunderstood |
| 01:21.34 | proprietarysucks | sorry I dropped out |
| 01:21.39 | proprietarysucks | did someone talk to me? |
| 01:22.24 | JademusSreg | In WC3, one could force a key input; that functionality is not available in SC2, so you can't force the targeting mode. |
| 01:22.33 | hobbidude | i see |
| 01:25.05 | Ownage | hmmm I see it needs a look at target actor looks like |
| 01:25.11 | Ownage | I wonder if I can attach that to unit |
| 01:25.47 | hobbidude | would a sop do it? |
| 01:27.12 | JademusSreg | Look At is a kind of actor. =D |
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| 01:28.49 | Deathbringer | Does anyone know how to encrypt a bank? |
| 01:29.36 | Ownage | hmm nope that didn't do it either |
| 01:31.23 | Ownage | Deathbringer, what do you mean |
| 01:31.32 | Ownage | do you mean obfuscate it? |
| 01:31.42 | Deathbringer | Like so its not hackable |
| 01:31.53 | Ownage | just add a signature to it |
| 01:32.25 | Ownage | then people can change it all they want but it won't work |
| 01:33.07 | Ahli | signatures have a small amount of protection. But there is no full protection as your map's triggers are always accessible |
| 01:33.56 | Ownage | you can view other mapmakers' triggers? |
| 01:34.09 | JademusSreg | Frostbringer, use StarCode and verify the signature before reading any value, delete the bank if it fails verification. |
| 01:34.28 | JademusSreg | This is not perfect protection, but it's pretty much the best one can do. |
| 01:35.13 | JademusSreg | And yeah, Own, it's trivial to "unlock" a map, read it's script, but the GUI trigger xml and other editor-read shit is stripped. |
| 01:37.08 | Deathbringer | So how does StarCode work? |
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| 01:38.38 | Ownage | damn stupid internet killed me |
| 01:38.41 | Ownage | did anyone answer me |
| 01:39.25 | JademusSreg | Few months ago, I tinkered and unlocked the most popular maps (even those using StarCode), recoded them to produce banks I could use on bnet. Only those that verified bank fields before reading were successful at thwarting my attempts, which means signature generation affords some minor protection (requires a separate tool to generate a valid signature). |
| 01:39.56 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/u2pga |
| 01:40.12 | JademusSreg | Own, paste should fill in any gaps. |
| 01:41.38 | Kueken | JademusSreg: I found a tool on some mapping/cracking site that claims it generates valid signatures for any bank files |
| 01:41.41 | Ahli | someone wants to purchase a program that converts galaxy code to GUI triggers at a sc2 hacker's forum >_> |
| 01:41.47 | Kueken | didn't try it yet |
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| 01:42.46 | Deathbringer | Oh yeah |
| 01:42.48 | JademusSreg | Kueken, if you have the program, send it to me, I'll see if I can decompile it. |
| 01:43.03 | JademusSreg | (Assuming it's a compiled binary.) |
| 01:43.04 | Deathbringer | I have the one that crack sigs. |
| 01:43.14 | Kueken | didn't download it, let me see if I can find the thread again |
| 01:43.37 | Deathbringer | I dont know how it works though, I cracked a RPG sig but I didnt know what to do then |
| 01:43.47 | Kueken | send Jade a link |
| 01:43.52 | Kueken | if you have one |
| 01:44.09 | Ahli | PMed a link, jade |
| 01:44.22 | Ahli | that should be the program. No idea if you can just dl it or if you need to register first |
| 01:44.36 | hobbidude | sweeet you can go secondary cooldowns |
| 01:44.39 | Ahli | you could ask goa, he has an account there :D |
| 01:44.43 | hobbidude | do rather |
| 01:45.22 | JademusSreg | shrugs. |
| 01:46.01 | hobbidude | well its just that someone told me it wasn't possible to have more than 1 cooldown on an ability |
| 01:46.04 | JademusSreg | No big deal. Merely intellectual curiosity, so when it's available to me, that'll be neat. |
| 01:46.22 | JademusSreg | Pardon, I was refering to bank signature shit. |
| 01:46.32 | JademusSreg | Not secondary cooldowns, Hobb. =D |
| 01:46.48 | hobbidude | :o |
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| 01:47.42 | JademusSreg | Though that's good news, haha. |
| 01:47.50 | JademusSreg | Unrelated: http://wondermark.com/974/ |
| 01:48.26 | JademusSreg | "When things get bad, make 'em TURBO bad." |
| 01:48.59 | hobbidude | lmao |
| 01:49.07 | Ownage | sounds like my trigger editing theory |
| 01:49.10 | hobbidude | sounds like the coffee one |
| 01:49.31 | hobbidude | drink coffee; do stupid things faster and with more energy |
| 01:50.26 | Triceron | http://www.topatoco.com/graphics/won-negotiator-pic.jpg |
| 01:50.33 | Triceron | that is brilliant |
| 01:52.08 | MoonEater_ | LOLZ |
| 02:02.02 | JademusSreg | Person-makes-Wondermark's spouse writes for Robot Chicken, coincidentally. |
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| 02:21.03 | Deathbringer | Does anyone know how to allow a message only from me condition? |
| 02:22.39 | JademusSreg | Check the player handle, compare it to yours/ |
| 02:23.47 | Ownage | thanks JademusSreg I'm looking through some triggers now :) people are quite sloppy I think |
| 02:24.08 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 02:25.06 | Deathbringer | So far, I love the theme song in the background of this even though Americas theme is kinda ehh okay. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOAtz8xWM0w |
| 02:44.33 | Ahli | ArcanePariah: that section stuff seems interesting... |
| 02:49.09 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, I'll finish up the guide tonight or tomorrow, to show multi source merging, selective merging (merge from one file only, even if multiple files have the same section present) and also to do it with errain |
| 02:49.19 | ArcanePariah | terrain* |
| 02:50.28 | ArcanePariah | The big part I think would lie in the terrain objects and triggers being mergable, means one could be create the terrain objects, pass it the coder, who then merges and uses them, while terrain guys continues onto next area |
| 02:50.42 | JademusSreg | Yes, DB, it will work in the trigger. |
| 02:50.58 | Deathbringer | Kk |
| 02:51.02 | JademusSreg | Yes, it will only work for the matching handle. |
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| 03:02.32 | Deathbringer | Can someone help me with this function? http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3247 |
| 03:03.52 | Deathbringer | ? |
| 03:05.27 | Ahli | what? |
| 03:05.30 | Deathbringer | Cause idk what it meant, but it says you require to return something, but idk what it meant. |
| 03:05.35 | Deathbringer | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3247 |
| 03:05.54 | Ahli | return type, make it none |
| 03:06.08 | Ahli | action + chosen return type = editor fail |
| 03:06.29 | Deathbringer | So what do I do? |
| 03:06.30 | Ahli | (why do they even have the action flag???) |
| 03:06.51 | Ahli | pick the first return type in the list |
| 03:07.10 | Ahli | that should be none or nothing or null or whatever |
| 03:07.10 | Deathbringer | Oh so when I set it none, it wont requrie it? |
| 03:07.18 | Ahli | none means nothing is return |
| 03:07.22 | Ahli | *returned |
| 03:07.28 | Ahli | then you delete the return statement, too |
| 03:07.39 | Ahli | because you got an action and actions aren't allwoed to return something |
| 03:07.46 | Ahli | functions return something |
| 03:08.10 | Ahli | there is a flag in an action/function that deetermines if it is considered an action or a function |
| 03:08.11 | Deathbringer | Okay. |
| 03:08.42 | Ahli | in theory, the flag doesn't make sense as returning "none" would mean that it's an action |
| 03:08.48 | ArcanePariah | Ahli: Actions can spawn threads, functions can not |
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| 03:09.13 | ArcanePariah | Function can return nothing as well |
| 03:09.25 | Ahli | but the type already determines what it should be :S that's the problem. That information is there twice. |
| 03:10.01 | ArcanePariah | Hmm? |
| 03:10.26 | ArcanePariah | I see Type, where else is action specfied? |
| 03:10.47 | Ahli | should be a flag I think |
| 03:10.57 | Ahli | else they patched it out |
| 03:11.07 | ArcanePariah | No flag as I can see |
| 03:11.16 | Ahli | " Options: Action" |
| 03:11.27 | Ahli | the type dropwdown it is ^^ |
| 03:11.52 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, don't see the duplication |
| 03:12.01 | Ahli | oh well, they have conditions, you would have problems then |
| 03:12.23 | Ahli | function + return value "none" == action |
| 03:12.29 | ArcanePariah | And Although function can return nothing, it makes them impossible to use, since the editor forces functions to be assigned, actions can not be |
| 03:12.40 | ArcanePariah | well the GUI does at leasyt |
| 03:12.58 | ArcanePariah | I would assume raw galaxy makes no distiniction really |
| 03:13.17 | Ahli | yeah ^^ this is just GUI overhead |
| 03:13.36 | Ahli | like I can't put functions in places where you put actions |
| 03:14.38 | Ahli | at least it's possible to make an action to a function on the fly... helped me a lot a few times |
| 03:16.20 | Ahli | what is the event response list for? |
| 03:16.32 | Ahli | can we make actions to full triggers? |
| 03:19.08 | Ahli | oh well, it might be for events :S never used that |
| 03:19.30 | Ahli | there is so much stuff that I just ignore and blend out |
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| 05:04.38 | EntityEnigma | could anyone help me getting custom actors to work for custom unit models |
| 05:04.47 | EntityEnigma | i dont really understand the theory |
| 05:05.10 | EntityEnigma | but i think i need to attach an actor to a weapon for it to play sound/animaation when firing |
| 05:05.56 | EntityEnigma | but i cant figure out how to get the actor to associate with the weapon |
| 05:15.55 | JademusSreg | Zugzug |
| 05:16.18 | JademusSreg | Action actor. |
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| 05:27.15 | hobbidude | anyone know how to valid the number of stacked behaviors? |
| 05:27.36 | hobbidude | unit compare behavior counts doesn't seem to work right |
| 05:30.23 | ArcanePariah | Well, first make sure the behavior can be stacked, count and counter per caster need to be above 1 |
| 05:30.31 | hobbidude | done |
| 05:30.50 | hobbidude | i've managed to pin my issue done to the validator |
| 05:31.22 | ArcanePariah | Ok, make sure the validator is checking the right unit. What is the source of the behavior? |
| 05:31.34 | hobbidude | the caster |
| 05:31.47 | hobbidude | again its fine |
| 05:31.54 | hobbidude | the odd think is |
| 05:32.04 | hobbidude | it only works if the stack is less than 1 |
| 05:32.05 | ArcanePariah | Well are you checking the caster or the target? |
| 05:32.15 | hobbidude | caster |
| 05:32.22 | hobbidude | buff is back onto the caster |
| 05:32.52 | hobbidude | its just stops working if you change the equation to more than 1 stack |
| 05:33.07 | hobbidude | can i use the unit compare field? |
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| 05:33.36 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... What compare are you doing? |
| 05:34.04 | hobbidude | i want to find the number of stacks of one type of buff |
| 05:34.54 | hobbidude | fuck |
| 05:35.20 | hobbidude | just says in the wiki that unit compare behaviors can't check attrivute stacks |
| 05:36.18 | hobbidude | well could compare field work? |
| 05:38.02 | hobbidude | kueken you awake? |
| 05:38.21 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 05:39.19 | ArcanePariah | Oh, you are checkign attribute stacks? |
| 05:39.31 | hobbidude | buff stacks |
| 05:40.46 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/Kubi%20Heroes.SC2Map |
| 05:41.38 | JademusSreg | (Incomplete hero, but involves generating/spending a behavior stack for bonuses.) |
| 05:42.39 | hobbidude | my god |
| 05:42.42 | hobbidude | which one is it |
| 05:49.12 | hobbidude | well that map is useless |
| 05:50.49 | Ownage | wow you can really speed up the editor and reduce your xml sizes like crazy by just setting the proper parents |
| 05:51.55 | JademusSreg | Own, that is correct. =D |
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| 06:30.15 | ArcanePariah | grumbles at all the work to do to achieve just that... |
| 06:30.54 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 06:31.00 | ArcanePariah | But on the subject (now half an hour old), how much does it speed up the editor to properly set up parents? Does it make it that much easier? |
| 06:32.10 | ArcanePariah | I'm assuming like all things, each object with proper inheritance makes little difference, but they all add up to slow the editor down quite a bit (I've noticed most of blizzard's entries are quite small) |
| 06:35.53 | ArcanePariah | Is there any real runtime benefit to minizing the size of each object in the XML? |
| 06:36.13 | ArcanePariah | Ie, less defined stuff, more inherited stuff, or does it not really matter since it all gets parsed anyhow? |
| 06:44.12 | JademusSreg | Matters to me on the most important aspect: readability. |
| 06:45.07 | ArcanePariah | Good point |
| 06:45.11 | JademusSreg | Followed by conceptual efficiency, which is to say it requires less mental effort to correctly model the relationships. |
| 06:45.47 | JademusSreg | Followed by performance, since less to parse means less time wasted. |
| 06:46.02 | ArcanePariah | Which leads to my next question, would be it be more efficient overall to take the multiple levels of a skill, and create a base version and simply inherit that with all the actual levels, and modify the level specfic values only? |
| 06:46.33 | ArcanePariah | Like say a level ability has 3 effects, for 3 levels, better to create a base, then make that the parent of the 3 efffects? |
| 06:46.55 | ArcanePariah | Although it leads to more objects, each object is smaller and less duplication of data |
| 06:47.06 | ArcanePariah | or at least that is my current logic/thinking |
| 06:47.36 | JademusSreg | It's certainly an option, yes. Remember the Pretty Important Programming Idea: Don't repeat yourself. |
| 06:48.01 | JademusSreg | I figure that applies to data/content, especially when used programmatically. |
| 06:48.12 | Ownage | to answer you, it very clearly speeds up my editor |
| 06:48.24 | Ownage | the reason is simple, it has less stuff to parse through every time you do anything |
| 06:49.01 | JademusSreg | The part of the editor that gains the most performance from proper configuration isn't even data, but damn GUI triggers. |
| 06:49.45 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, Which would explain why blizzard had so many different dependencies, seperation of concerns, which leads to their data entire being VERY small from what I've noticed. It is like they treated their data entries like a coder would treat functions: Small and to the point |
| 06:49.53 | ArcanePariah | entries* |
| 06:49.55 | JademusSreg | Because that xml files gets into MBs to produce a few hundred KBs of script, on top of parsing that it's managing relationships and rendering all that shit. |
| 06:50.27 | JademusSreg | brbi5 |
| 06:50.29 | ArcanePariah | Which also explains the fairly organized Blizzard map code, most functions/triggers are VERY short |
| 06:50.48 | ArcanePariah | like 15 lines at max in each campaign map. The only large functions are the library ones |
| 06:51.16 | ArcanePariah | Then again, making short small functions is simply good coding, makes it easier to separate work out and debug as well |
| 06:51.50 | ArcanePariah | Which explains ofc why my code is so friggin awful and my work has culled quite a bit of it down |
| 06:52.08 | ArcanePariah | Orginal coders were not coders by training or trade, |
| 06:52.35 | ArcanePariah | Sigh.... I wonder how much code is written by total amateurs... thank you Excel |
| 06:53.17 | ArcanePariah | Then again, it comes back to the fact that we have no way to make IDE's that can statically analyze the code while you are coding and tell you your code SUCKS!!!: P |
| 06:54.39 | ArcanePariah | Anyhow, time for me to apply some optimization to my data. I do wonder how much of a boost I'll get since sadly I have done what most people have done to deal with crappy software: bruteforced past it with powerful hardware |
| 07:00.37 | Ownage | remove all mouse move crap if you have any, use arrays instead of lots of if statements |
| 07:00.45 | Ownage | try to do as much work during init as possible |
| 07:01.11 | Ownage | a 1 second startup vs a 4 second startup makes no difference to anyone but you can do a lot to make your map faster in that time |
| 07:01.36 | ArcanePariah | I do, I moved a TON of stuff out of triggers alltogether, I made custom data structures with User Data |
| 07:01.55 | ArcanePariah | To give you an idea, when I first started, code was 55k lines, now its 42.5k |
| 07:02.13 | ArcanePariah | And I'm still carving it down |
| 07:02.26 | Ownage | set your parents right, preload everything you can, including icons and images and stuff |
| 07:02.49 | Ownage | make functions out of anything you do twice :) |
| 07:03.04 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... preloading is tricky, since I've had issues with people dropping during loads, b.net doesn't like long loads |
| 07:03.17 | ArcanePariah | Yes, that is pretty much one of the core things i've been doing, code refactoring |
| 07:03.29 | ArcanePariah | I am a CS person :P |
| 07:03.42 | ArcanePariah | That is one reason I mourn the code I work with |
| 07:03.50 | ArcanePariah | So much stuff done wrong |
| 07:03.53 | Ownage | if you really want to avoid long load times you can still preload stuff |
| 07:04.03 | Ownage | just remember preload can mean load before it's used |
| 07:04.19 | ArcanePariah | Well.. not wrong per se, just done in the most unmaintainable way imaginable, and very ineffcient |
| 07:04.27 | Ownage | during times of inactivity in your game you can for example set a unit to a ton of different actors and remove them or whatever |
| 07:04.42 | ArcanePariah | Well there is 0 inactivity in my game :P |
| 07:04.50 | Ownage | what kind of game is it |
| 07:05.07 | ArcanePariah | Survival Coop, mission/rpg based, its called Night of the Dead |
| 07:05.29 | ArcanePariah | Its pretty fast paced, especially the higher difficulties, constant spawns/events/bosses |
| 07:05.44 | Ownage | think about cutting triggers and storage out completely; ways to deduce things in the map |
| 07:06.00 | ArcanePariah | I already did :P, its an ongoing thing :D |
| 07:06.24 | ArcanePariah | Like I said earlier, the code used to be 55k lines long in the script, nows it down to 42.5k |
| 07:06.27 | Ownage | for example my map will have almost 400 unit types, but only about 200 units and actors |
| 07:06.43 | Ownage | that's a lot of code I think |
| 07:06.47 | Ownage | let me check mine |
| 07:06.52 | ArcanePariah | At the rate I'm going, the terrain part of the map will be bigger then the triggers |
| 07:07.21 | ArcanePariah | Well, NotD is rather complex, we have 4 seperate gameplay stories to choose from, complete with their own missions and about 6-7 bosses each |
| 07:07.26 | ArcanePariah | 14 classes |
| 07:07.29 | Ownage | less than 2k lines |
| 07:07.48 | ArcanePariah | Now I'm trying to redo the boss AI stuff into data, but some is rather tricky :P |
| 07:07.59 | Ownage | based on your line count I'm guessing you can really cut things down quite a bit |
| 07:08.04 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 07:08.13 | ArcanePariah | Possibly, but not much more, we got a ton of custom dialogs |
| 07:08.20 | ArcanePariah | Like 10+ |
| 07:08.55 | Ownage | isn't there a way to use data for that? like ui layouts or something? I don't know much about dialogs |
| 07:09.19 | Ownage | I found the process of building them to be so horrible I just couldn't take it |
| 07:09.22 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 07:09.33 | ArcanePariah | Yes, but we've already done that for a few things already, but some of the stuff is constanatly updating, and other stuff is player specific |
| 07:09.50 | ArcanePariah | UI can't do player specific items AFAIK |
| 07:09.54 | JademusSreg | Ctrl Alt F12, if you're a WYSIWYG sort. |
| 07:09.59 | ArcanePariah | Need dialogs for that |
| 07:10.13 | ArcanePariah | Yes, I've used that when I was redesigning our inventory |
| 07:10.37 | ArcanePariah | I'm assuming that at some point Blizzard will actually make it usable, ie it will live commit XML changes |
| 07:10.40 | JademusSreg | Only certain elements support the player element. |
| 07:10.49 | JademusSreg | *frame types support |
| 07:10.51 | ArcanePariah | Yeah |
| 07:11.02 | Ownage | some guy started a project for that a while ago but abandoned it, like most sc2 projects |
| 07:11.11 | ArcanePariah | Plus most of the custom dialogs are not for show, they are interactive |
| 07:11.23 | ArcanePariah | Like our skill selection |
| 07:11.28 | ArcanePariah | is dialog driven |
| 07:12.04 | ArcanePariah | And I've already optimized those dialogs as far as possible (all the data is stored in data, dialogs just references it for construction) |
| 07:12.22 | JademusSreg | wonders how many people attempt animations without actually using the Image animation features. |
| 07:13.50 | ArcanePariah | The thing that adds a fair amount of complexity is the multiple game systems present, very heavy RPG elements, you can grind XP and credits, credits buy items at start or long term rewards, including custom colors, which in the next NotD, we will expand to full color instead of just the 16 team colors, so going to construct a custom dialog to do color palette selection |
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| 07:14.37 | MoonEater | hihi |
| 07:14.46 | MoonEater | Jade u there? |
| 07:14.53 | ArcanePariah | Mind you, the grindy nature can be a turn off for some players, since to fully unlock everything, you are looking at upwards 100+ games |
| 07:15.34 | Ownage | that turns me off :) |
| 07:15.35 | JademusSreg | > |
| 07:15.47 | Ownage | then again I don't play that kind of game anymore anyway |
| 07:16.03 | MoonEater | nc |
| 07:16.05 | JademusSreg | Grind is only gameplay without immediately engaging motivation. |
| 07:16.09 | ArcanePariah | But the gameplay is fairly complex and with 8 classes to choose from plus you can random, and at a certain point, you can random out of story classses as well for more crazy fun |
| 07:16.32 | ArcanePariah | so it is fairly entertaining and complex, enough that we do have our own wilki on the game :p |
| 07:16.36 | JademusSreg | Which is to say progression doesn't feel like grinding if it's engaging and enjoyable throughout. |
| 07:16.52 | Ownage | I just pop in, play for an hour and get out, and only when I'm so tired of mapmaking that I can't think |
| 07:17.15 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, each game can play out different from the last, based on class/skills selection and gameplay route. Bosses are mostly straightforward, but some are still a pita |
| 07:17.48 | ArcanePariah | And there is constant random events that do occur which can lead to some intersting wtf moments |
| 07:18.27 | ArcanePariah | I have a somewhat unique persepctive since I played the game for 2.5 years before starting work on it |
| 07:18.43 | ArcanePariah | So I had lots of fun devising the strategies to win |
| 07:20.30 | ArcanePariah | I do not dispute that the code could use some work, but because of the nature of gameplay systems, RPG elements and sheer content, I doubt I will reduce the code past 40k lines |
| 07:22.19 | JademusSreg | Well, it would amuse me to provide a critical perspective sometime, if you like. |
| 07:23.44 | ArcanePariah | I may take you up on that, though atm I got plenty of places I know I can make tweaks as is, but if I actually end up with nothing to do optimization wise some day, I'll know where to find you |
| 07:23.48 | ArcanePariah | :D |
| 07:23.58 | JademusSreg | Meanwhile, can't decide if I want to add a typedef funcref for nullary operations. |
| 07:25.10 | JademusSreg | Also, I imagine most criticisms I could make would garner the response "alright, yes, I admit, that would be more efficient, but I'm not going to recode n-thousand lines, just no." |
| 07:25.47 | JademusSreg | Therein lies my amusement, usually. |
| 07:26.19 | ArcanePariah | Well, I doubt it would involve n thousand lines of code rewriting, usually such reductions means the final solution is stuff being store in User Data and a fairly short abstraction is coded, probably under 30 lines |
| 07:26.55 | ArcanePariah | At least that has been my experience, shove common related data into User Data, and create a simple abstraction, usually a loop of some kind |
| 07:27.07 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 07:27.16 | ArcanePariah | Basically, seperating data from code, and gaining in both |
| 07:27.41 | JademusSreg | Pleasing; we're the few who use the user data. |
| 07:28.04 | JademusSreg | And for precisely the same purpose, no less. |
| 07:28.06 | ArcanePariah | Like right now, about to rewrite the dialog for the story selection, before it was done each one at a time, with individual items avaible based on unique booleans, redoing it with an array of bools instead |
| 07:28.44 | ArcanePariah | and now just going to loo through bool array to determine story availabilty, and grab from User Data the image to display + offset to construct the dialog |
| 07:28.58 | JademusSreg | My pal Levi would probably ask "y u no use Conversation data". |
| 07:29.26 | ArcanePariah | To be honest I have not explored it and thus do not understand it yet |
| 07:29.35 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 07:29.45 | JademusSreg | On the forums, he goes by Alevice. |
| 07:30.06 | JademusSreg | He uses them the way a sane person might use User Data. |
| 07:30.21 | ArcanePariah | But yeah, once I learned of User data, I was like "God dammit, where has this been??" It basically means you can construct your own database, which is VASTLY better then screwing around making structs and arrays and manually assigning stuff just to look it up.... |
| 07:30.35 | ArcanePariah | Not to mention less hardcoded crap in the code |
| 07:30.41 | ArcanePariah | I despise that |
| 07:30.59 | JademusSreg | Unrelated, mind testing something mostly useless for me? See if catalog api can read the value from EditorCategories |
| 07:31.24 | ArcanePariah | Sure, am I going to add more to this game? No, it is basically done, but before I did all this work, creating some stuff would have taken ages... now i can create and integrate a new class in a day or less |
| 07:31.30 | ArcanePariah | and would involve basically 0 trigger work |
| 07:31.35 | ArcanePariah | Sure |
| 07:31.52 | ArcanePariah | test if Catalog Reference Get can see EditorCatagories? Should do so, its in the XML |
| 07:32.15 | JademusSreg | Either way, so long as it can be read, writing is optional. Merely curious. |
| 07:32.54 | ArcanePariah | Yep, it can get it |
| 07:32.58 | JademusSreg | Neato. |
| 07:33.22 | JademusSreg | While the editor dialogs for selecting such values are presets, the XML accepts arbitrary strings. |
| 07:33.35 | ArcanePariah | I did it with a string variable, so i assume it can see it as a string |
| 07:33.49 | JademusSreg | Which means you can add however much arbitrary data to a unit type as you please. |
| 07:33.53 | JademusSreg | So neato on that. |
| 07:34.22 | ArcanePariah | I'm assuming their is some kind of constraint, like a database one, on how large of a value can be stored in any field? |
| 07:35.27 | ArcanePariah | Like I can't just put the value 100000000000000 into a damage amount field |
| 07:35.52 | JademusSreg | For example, in my recent tinkering with Moon's map, I changed the editor categories for some of his units; Shitastic and Poop, displayed right there in the entry list's columns. |
| 07:36.06 | ArcanePariah | lawl |
| 07:37.29 | ArcanePariah | In any case, most of my coding work with NotD involves either examining the code and seeing if it can simply be migrated to data (often can, less so now) or extracting patterns in the process of code refactoring, usually into functions or loops |
| 07:37.43 | JademusSreg | Das goot. |
| 07:38.22 | ArcanePariah | Basically fulfilling an old saying about any system "Make it simple as possible, but not simpler" |
| 07:38.29 | JademusSreg | Precisely what I enjoy hearing, a refreshing scent of competence. |
| 07:38.51 | JademusSreg | </synesthesia> |
| 07:39.08 | ArcanePariah | Well.. isn't that entire point of coding? Reduction to common simple parts for maximum reusability? |
| 07:39.32 | ArcanePariah | Or is that just a insight most do not understand? |
| 07:39.37 | JademusSreg | + making those parts do something |
| 07:40.18 | ArcanePariah | Yes, but that is beyond just coding, combining parts is easy, combining them in a meaningful way = vision/insight/wisdom |
| 07:40.22 | JademusSreg | And yeah, but nascent modders don't have much to guide them in that direction. |
| 07:40.47 | ArcanePariah | And said vision/insight/wisdom is rare as hell |
| 07:40.51 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 07:40.53 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 07:45.45 | JademusSreg | (Working out some native type ops. Woo.) |
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| 08:00.52 | JademusSreg | No idea why fixed type doesn't have access to the same ops as int. Silly. |
| 08:21.15 | MoonEater | jade |
| 08:21.21 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 08:21.27 | MoonEater | in actors how do i detect unit attack |
| 08:21.30 | MoonEater | what event do i use? |
| 08:21.42 | Bommes | Weapon.Start |
| 08:22.10 | JademusSreg | Yeah, most units have something like this, sooo. |
| 08:22.33 | Bommes | Good morning, folks. |
| 08:27.47 | ArcanePariah | MoonEater: There is a message called UnitAttacker |
| 08:28.19 | MoonEater | ? |
| 08:28.20 | ArcanePariah | Also another one UnitAttacked, so between the two, should cover attacking and being attacked |
| 08:28.29 | MoonEater | i want an event to trigger when unit is attacking |
| 08:28.36 | ArcanePariah | So use UnitAttacker |
| 08:30.10 | MoonEater | kk |
| 08:31.08 | MoonEater | is it possible to make a weapon not require that the unit turns to attacker? |
| 08:31.20 | JademusSreg | Easily. |
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| 08:32.04 | JademusSreg | Either 360 Arc or put the weapon on a turret. |
| 08:32.05 | Bommes | MoonEater: Arc Slop |
| 08:32.07 | ArcanePariah | In the weapon, you can set the Arc |
| 08:32.12 | Bommes | and Arc |
| 08:32.54 | ArcanePariah | Arc controls the angle the target must be in for acquisition, the Arc Slop is the Arc outside of the Arc the target can travel before acquistion is lost |
| 08:38.50 | MoonEater | its not triggering |
| 08:38.59 | MoonEater | the event is not firing when unit attacks |
| 08:39.36 | MoonEater | ArcanePariah |
| 08:39.43 | MoonEater | Bommes |
| 08:39.55 | MoonEater | jade |
| 08:40.23 | ArcanePariah | You probably need to specify the source, so for the event, set the source (IE which unit attacking triggers the event) |
| 08:40.24 | JademusSreg | Paste all relevant data. Actually, paste all the data, just all of it. |
| 08:40.40 | MoonEater | jade im almost sure its the event |
| 08:40.55 | MoonEater | i just need a proper event for a texture swap |
| 08:41.17 | JademusSreg | I do not doubt your certainty, that is. =D |
| 08:41.41 | Bommes | which event did you use? Unit Attacker? |
| 08:42.07 | MoonEater | yes |
| 08:42.30 | MoonEater | Unit attacker.spriteling |
| 08:42.35 | MoonEater | texture swap |
| 08:42.35 | Bommes | Never used that event, don't know when it fires, sorry. |
| 08:42.44 | MoonEater | well |
| 08:42.51 | MoonEater | weapon start didnt work either |
| 08:44.13 | MoonEater | http://pastebin.com/s5Jq5XLU |
| 08:44.14 | MoonEater | JAde |
| 08:44.17 | Bommes | maybe you have to specify the weapon used in the submenu |
| 08:44.18 | MoonEater | theres ur actor data |
| 08:44.22 | MoonEater | i did |
| 08:44.59 | MoonEater | weaponstart.claws2.attackstart |
| 08:46.01 | MoonEater | jade? |
| 08:46.13 | JademusSreg | All ze data. |
| 08:46.20 | MoonEater | what else do u want |
| 08:46.22 | MoonEater | tell meh |
| 08:46.25 | MoonEater | ill fetch it |
| 08:46.49 | JademusSreg | Everything connected to the data, of course. |
| 08:47.08 | MoonEater | i dont think you want the models and behaviors and triggers |
| 08:47.41 | MoonEater | http://pastebin.com/Hpe4f7M9 |
| 08:47.53 | MoonEater | thats the unit itself |
| 08:47.58 | MoonEater | ill grab the weapon i guess |
| 08:48.23 | JademusSreg | Now you're catching on. =D |
| 08:48.58 | MoonEater | http://pastebin.com/uXYhkVCf |
| 08:49.04 | MoonEater | u need models? |
| 08:49.16 | MoonEater | effect? |
| 08:49.44 | MoonEater | i wouldnt think you would need actor or weapons |
| 08:49.47 | MoonEater | so im not sure |
| 08:49.47 | JademusSreg | In your case, best to paste everything linked to anything. |
| 08:50.01 | MoonEater | actor i would think is everything |
| 08:53.44 | MoonEater | jade? |
| 08:54.19 | JademusSreg | Patience, or I'll simply ignore it. =D |
| 08:54.42 | MoonEater | for some reason i think u ignore it cause its me |
| 08:54.46 | MoonEater | but whatever u say |
| 08:55.49 | JademusSreg | Naw, annoying me with impatient questions causes me to ignore people. =D |
| 08:56.40 | JademusSreg | So in what way is it not working? |
| 08:56.53 | MoonEater | if it works it should texture swap |
| 08:57.02 | MoonEater | it suppose to work when attack command is given |
| 08:57.21 | JademusSreg | That's not descriptive of how it behaves in game. |
| 08:57.38 | MoonEater | well |
| 08:57.50 | MoonEater | its a sprite... u know one of those things u hate |
| 08:57.57 | MoonEater | when an attack command is issued |
| 08:58.09 | MoonEater | it is suppose to start the attack animation for the unit |
| 08:58.17 | MoonEater | the event doesnt seems to be firing |
| 08:58.26 | MoonEater | it attack |
| 08:58.29 | MoonEater | but no animation |
| 08:58.32 | JademusSreg | Hah, question successfully not answered, nicely done. |
| 08:58.42 | JademusSreg | So got the effect data? |
| 08:59.07 | MoonEater | http://pastebin.com/Z5kgyjj7 |
| 08:59.19 | MoonEater | also i would like to perhaps brain storm a concept with you later |
| 08:59.32 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 09:00.08 | MoonEater | its a trigger concewpt so u probably wont be absolutly bored |
| 09:00.22 | JademusSreg | How do you know the unit is attacking at all? |
| 09:00.35 | MoonEater | stuff is dying |
| 09:00.37 | MoonEater | lolz |
| 09:00.51 | MoonEater | so i assume its the unit's weapon thats doing it |
| 09:02.28 | JademusSreg | Alright. Add a persistent effect, expire time 0.125 and initial effect as the damage effect, have the weapon use that instead of the damage effect. |
| 09:03.07 | JademusSreg | If that doesn't work, then it's a texture swap conflict, I expect. |
| 09:03.27 | MoonEater | what event will i use? |
| 09:03.54 | JademusSreg | WeaponStart.*.AttackStart of course. |
| 09:04.00 | MoonEater | kk |
| 09:04.06 | MoonEater | now onto the brainstorm |
| 09:04.10 | JademusSreg | You don't need to fill in the second parameter for every damn actor event, haha. |
| 09:04.34 | MoonEater | i have a top down rpg but i want to make dynamic quest |
| 09:04.39 | MoonEater | not sure how |
| 09:04.53 | MoonEater | but i need a way to make the gameplay different each time |
| 09:05.03 | MoonEater | i dont necessaraly want same quests |
| 09:05.08 | MoonEater | but i dont think its possible |
| 09:05.16 | JademusSreg | For example, UnitMovementUpdate.*.Walk instead of silly stuff like UnitMovementUpdate.Spriteling |
| 09:05.46 | MoonEater | ill take it unto account still new at it |
| 09:06.15 | MoonEater | but i figured you or you would no somone who has achived a dynamic quest system |
| 09:06.26 | MoonEater | that can self change on a seed or somthing each game |
| 09:07.36 | JademusSreg | I strongly suspect this is conflict, though. |
| 09:07.45 | MoonEater | conflict? |
| 09:08.25 | JademusSreg | Yeah, like the other texture swaps are overriding this attack-related one because they don't have any control logic to prevent it. |
| 09:08.49 | MoonEater | i will test it by disabling all others and seeing if it works |
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| 09:48.29 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
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| 09:51.24 | Bounty | How bout dat logo JademusSreg |
| 09:51.26 | Bounty | >.< |
| 09:51.36 | JademusSreg | How about dat map Bounty =D |
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| 09:51.44 | Bounty | Coming a long well |
| 09:52.15 | Bounty | Could use that image though, would help a lot with completing the layout of the main menu |
| 09:52.42 | JademusSreg | Fine, fine, I'll address it soon, then/. |
| 09:52.44 | Bommes | Your map has a main menu? :O |
| 09:52.53 | Bommes | for what? |
| 09:53.04 | Bommes | or Bnet main menu? |
| 09:53.10 | Bounty | To select difficulty and which cognitive task you are supposed to focus on. |
| 09:53.15 | Bounty | nucca |
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| 10:08.53 | JademusSreg | Need something to stimulate the non-technical brain while engaged in technical work. Hm. |
| 10:15.19 | Bounty | Watch any Neil Degrasse Tyson lecture |
| 10:15.25 | Bounty | That should do it. |
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| 10:16.39 | JademusSreg | Hm, next time I'm in a physics mood, certainly. |
| 10:17.33 | Zolden | fun to know someone was in physics mood |
| 10:17.50 | Zolden | is it like feeling emotions about gravity? |
| 10:17.59 | Zolden | like: omg, i'm so heavy! |
| 10:18.10 | Zolden | what is this force that pushing me down! help! |
| 10:18.17 | Zolden | invisible force! |
| 10:18.54 | Zolden | or: omg! light is everywhere! |
| 10:19.49 | JademusSreg | More like having desire for a flavor. Salty, sweet, spicy, savory, starch, meats, fruits. Physics, psychology, deception, comedy, existential, catharsis, et cetera. |
| 10:21.06 | G0A | Zolden did you read book called forever war? |
| 10:21.19 | Zolden | who's author? |
| 10:21.32 | G0A | It give me the idea to make a full relativistic space rts.D |
| 10:21.53 | G0A | Joe Haldeman |
| 10:22.19 | Zolden | nope |
| 10:22.36 | JademusSreg | Good luck working out the relativistic part of that. |
| 10:22.55 | G0A | :) |
| 10:22.55 | Zolden | you mean game with time paradoxes? |
| 10:23.02 | G0A | yes |
| 10:23.25 | Zolden | waht Jade said |
| 10:23.38 | G0A | no paradoxes but time dilation and no faster than speed of light information and energy |
| 10:24.35 | Zolden | should be perfomance consuming |
| 10:25.07 | G0A | not really |
| 10:25.22 | G0A | though I am not exactly sure how will I do all of it:D |
| 10:25.24 | JademusSreg | Let's assume that hardware is a non-issue. Since you can't have a global state (obviously violates relativity), each client must accept the states pushed to them from other clients. |
| 10:26.29 | G0A | yeah, it would be nice if I could record battles as a video and then replay it:D |
| 10:26.32 | Zolden | players will jsut think it's bugged |
| 10:26.52 | G0A | I dont care about players:D |
| 10:27.05 | G0A | It will be very simplistic on all other aspect |
| 10:27.51 | JademusSreg | Worse, it would give people who exploit the P2P god-like power. |
| 10:28.17 | G0A | ? |
| 10:30.15 | kingTD | Zolden!!! found a Mudbox from Autodesk which point of the it is like ZBrush! only for XP if downloading 2011 ver |
| 10:30.41 | Zolden | very interesting |
| 10:31.11 | Ownage | what do you guys do for a living? |
| 10:31.34 | JademusSreg | Remember, no global state, so each client is responsible for simulation of its region of space-time defined by the lightcone extending from the frame of reference. |
| 10:31.43 | Zolden | kingTD i'm waiting for further updates aobut the subject |
| 10:32.00 | kingTD | Zolden sells Weed and I buy it |
| 10:32.15 | kingTD | Zolden what you need more to know about? |
| 10:32.27 | Zolden | if it work and if it cool |
| 10:32.42 | kingTD | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp7O6oZZkLs |
| 10:33.40 | kingTD | yeah tried it as seems like works, need to export the model with the exporter and shit. Havent researched much the whole process how to make textures and shit but it should work as intended |
| 10:34.01 | kingTD | Used WoW model that had vertex not welded so it sucked :/ |
| 10:34.15 | kingTD | as it edited every poly seperatly |
| 10:34.23 | kingTD | so need to connect those vertexes. |
| 10:34.30 | Ownage | I just ask because I've encountered a lot of the stuff you guys talk about but only through vfx companies |
| 10:34.46 | G0A | hmmm sc2 terran td.... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.catstudio.galaxywars |
| 10:35.17 | JademusSreg | Haha, people here are diverse in their occupations, I expect. |
| 10:36.28 | Zolden | kingTD what if you just import a simple sphere? |
| 10:36.54 | kingTD | and? |
| 10:36.57 | Zolden | wow modes are fucked, as you know, and that program may not handle double triangles |
| 10:37.10 | Zolden | and if normal mesh wil be fine, it will mean htat it works |
| 10:37.59 | JademusSreg | Lord help you if you import a mesh with non-tri shapes. |
| 10:38.49 | kingTD | well wow models already have textures so i dont see the real use for that. Its more for making new models or textures. For that you make duplicate of the wow model, use Skin Wrap and shit fix duplicated model and it should work fine |
| 10:39.11 | Zolden | wow modes just have 2 triangles per 3 vertexes, due to bugged importing software |
| 10:40.00 | kingTD | weld that shit up, reset normals edits, and remake the smoothing groups if looks too fucked up |
| 10:40.16 | Zolden | kingTD yes, it just helps alot on making normal maps, look at normals Triceron making they are like 1/3 of model awesomness |
| 10:40.52 | Zolden | then normal maps affect other textures |
| 10:40.54 | kingTD | not normals but whole diffuse texture. you can make all the curves, boxes and shit then add layers of colors |
| 10:41.11 | Zolden | yes, it's my plan |
| 10:41.18 | kingTD | you wont need to use any PS for making textures |
| 10:41.22 | JademusSreg | imagines a shader for rendering 3-dimensional slices of 4-dimensional space. |
| 10:42.03 | Zolden | 4 dimentional space is a fucked place, it's better to use 5dimentions |
| 10:42.45 | Zolden | youtube has some nice 3 dimentional slices of 4d space objects |
| 10:43.59 | JademusSreg | Naw, that's 2d of 3d. I figure using spectrum-shift and transluscence would work. |
| 10:46.38 | Zolden | our brain easily retrieves 3d information from 2d, and it's the only way we can percept 3d: we see nothing but d2, and brain had to develope 3d sense, so any d2 for us is 3d as far as it provides shades of dark and bright which can be interpreted as depth and shadows |
| 10:47.31 | Zolden | for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S530Vwa33G0 |
| 10:50.25 | JademusSreg | Of course any n-dimensional configuration which changes relative to an additional dimension can be represented by a single n+1-dimensional configuration. |
| 10:52.36 | JademusSreg | On the other hand, the physical aparatus by which humans gather light is not 2 dimensional, at least not in structural, and how that collected data is processed and the dimensionality thereof is an open question. |
| 10:52.53 | JademusSreg | *in structure |
| 10:54.51 | Zolden | in terms of dimentions we recieve a 2d projection, there is no open questions. binocularity of a pair of eyes helps, but when we look at a picture, we can understand that that is only a help, not a source of 3d feeling |
| 10:55.08 | JademusSreg | Even assuming the collection of light constituting the most rudimentary aspect of sight is reducible to a single 2-dimensional configuration, collecting data alone is a bit useless without the extended process of perception. =D |
| 10:57.09 | Zolden | yea, perception is the source of 3d feeling |
| 10:57.30 | Zolden | btw, tactile channel of perception gives us much more than 2d |
| 10:58.40 | JademusSreg | There's also the scope of the system to consider. Anyway, the translation of lower dimensionality to higher dimensionality as a changing configuration corresponding to an additional parameter, that trick can be done with anything. =D |
| 11:00.02 | Zolden | yes, vision utilizes the same processes brain uses for other kinds of information, calculations fulfill the absent parts of information |
| 11:02.04 | Zolden | for example, if we read "where a woman walks by the beach" we not jsut can see a little movie of woman walking, we can even know where she goes |
| 11:02.25 | JademusSreg | I'd invite you to imagine such a thing as 3d sight, for the intellectual exercise of it, haha. |
| 11:02.56 | Zolden | we have a kind of 3d sight, it's tactile vision |
| 11:03.28 | Zolden | we also feel our bodies in a kind of non-visual 3d |
| 11:04.55 | JademusSreg | Ah, getting blurry. Sensation or perception, gotta choose one. Is it the signal or how the signal is interpreted? |
| 11:05.38 | Zolden | signals are nothing, jsut a chaos without interpretation |
| 11:07.30 | Zolden | we are talking about inner image, that imitates 3d objects, and that image is synesthetically constracted based on signals from different channels of perceptions |
| 11:07.45 | Zolden | *constructed |
| 11:08.20 | JademusSreg | Because both the distribution of tactile nerves and photoreceptors are 3-dimensional spatially, so how then does tactile sensation have greater dimensionality than photoreception? Or are they both 1-dimensional, only 2-dimensional in parallel, 3-dimensional when the parallel signals are interpreted over time. |
| 11:08.21 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 11:11.32 | Zolden | it's not even haha, cause you're right |
| 11:13.07 | Zolden | touching process isn't momentary, it requires time to feel the dynamics of percetion when a person moves his palm over a surface |
| 11:15.36 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 11:15.54 | Zolden | but yea, momentary "image" of tactile detectors is 2d, same us eyes. eyes has 2 projection planes, fingers have more, because there are more of them |
| 11:31.35 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 11:39.11 | kingTD | well that sucks: http://snag.gy/x9NnK.jpg |
| 11:39.29 | kingTD | having those big flat with bunch of vertex polygons |
| 11:39.47 | JademusSreg | Rather enjoy the concept of super-organisms, organisms which emerge from the collective activity of component organisms, and its relation to memetics. Just as human consciousness emerges from self-modeling computation performed on a physical substrate, cultural/memetic emerge and even attain consciousness from self-modeling computation performed on a (socially networked) cognitive substrate. |
| 11:40.32 | JademusSreg | * cultural/memetic organisms emerge |
| 11:41.42 | JademusSreg | Cute model, Twod. |
| 11:42.00 | JademusSreg | Looking forward to the normal map. |
| 11:42.33 | kingTD | its shit one :/ need to remake it as now its paint to play with this ZBrush |
| 11:44.36 | JademusSreg | Didn't realize people used Zbrush for such geometry; figured everyone made/used prefabs of like, anime ninja wizard demon lizard robots and stuff. |
| 11:46.51 | kingTD | well Otixa was using for making 6 side cylinder shaped Tower |
| 11:48.10 | Zolden | those models are so far from real surfaces, so any natural object, even a shitty robot, requires heavy normalmapmaking to have a chance to look realistic |
| 11:48.26 | Zolden | kingTD have he finished? |
| 11:48.51 | kingTD | i think he doesnt |
| 11:48.58 | JademusSreg | (I'm subtly poking fun at my sibling's penchant for excessively anime-inspired character models made in Zbrush.) |
| 11:48.59 | Zolden | i wish there be a gloves to feel and affect 3d objects, like it's a clay |
| 11:49.35 | kingTD | fuck this model |
| 11:49.39 | Zolden | also, to feel elven boobs in wow |
| 11:49.47 | JademusSreg | Gross. |
| 11:50.41 | Zolden | but tactile component realy wants to be implemented as an input device |
| 11:50.51 | Zolden | and output too |
| 11:53.29 | Zolden | kingTD i hope you won't give up with that tower and finish it jsut to test the soft |
| 11:54.24 | kingTD | well the model itself sucks so now Trying on WC3 model that was in development play with the model boots |
| 11:55.13 | G0A | kingTD you were the one who bugged xp upgrade in heroes of entropy? |
| 11:55.25 | kingTD | no |
| 11:55.32 | kingTD | bratzo |
| 11:55.34 | kingTD | or soemthing |
| 11:55.49 | G0A | cant reconstruct the bug |
| 11:56.07 | JademusSreg | Wat is a bratzo? |
| 11:56.31 | kingTD | someones name in SC2 |
| 11:56.59 | JademusSreg | Sounds distantly familiar. |
| 11:57.18 | Zolden | he made warpigs |
| 11:57.43 | G0A | ohh, found the bug:D |
| 11:58.50 | JademusSreg | Only mention in the logs is from March. |
| 11:58.54 | Zolden | autumn anticyclones are so phoney, blue sky, lots of sun, but cold as between snow queen boobs |
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| 12:13.13 | Zolden | anyone knows how Set Tint Color "priority" parameter work? |
| 12:13.28 | JademusSreg | Higher means more priority, I expect. |
| 12:14.29 | kingTD | idk idk,, http://snag.gy/X5DsT.jpg |
| 12:14.46 | Zolden | is it a priority over the main color or over the other tint colors that used simultaneously? |
| 12:14.56 | JademusSreg | Others. |
| 12:15.12 | JademusSreg | (There is no "main tint color".) |
| 12:15.33 | Zolden | kingTD you need a low poly representation for that artifact (unless it's a bug) |
| 12:15.58 | Zolden | JademusSreg i mean model's color. Like dominating red tint over green model color |
| 12:16.32 | JademusSreg | is willing to bet the converter is fucking up mesh self-intersection. |
| 12:17.20 | kingTD | its more of frustration and miss clicks.. |
| 12:17.36 | Zolden | have you checked for double triangles? |
| 12:18.00 | JademusSreg | Zol, nooope. Tint is destructive, you'd need to mess with channels for such a thing. |
| 12:18.08 | Zolden | i see |
| 12:18.37 | JademusSreg | Or tinker with lighting. |
| 12:18.44 | kingTD | jizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 12:18.55 | kingTD | its my own made model |
| 12:19.19 | JademusSreg | In the case of portraits (or other scenes), lighting can accomplish similar ends. |
| 12:19.36 | kingTD | its the tool or the size of the model is making it frustrating to make proper size of brush and shit |
| 12:19.50 | kingTD | the strengh is too low or too much |
| 12:19.55 | JademusSreg | Dunno what kind of options are available in the official tools for light projectors, but might be worth investigating that as well. |
| 12:19.58 | kingTD | effect givving |
| 12:20.04 | JademusSreg | Twod, ahh. |
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| 12:25.02 | kingTD | SOME ONE MUST DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 12:25.42 | JademusSreg | Well, it's not logically necessitated, but it is near certain. |
| 12:28.23 | kingTD | its kinda shitty version of paint |
| 12:29.20 | Zolden | kingTD do you know "relax" modifier in max? |
| 12:30.17 | kingTD | I KNOW FUCK THAT |
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| 12:57.07 | JademusSreg | sings festively. ♫♫ Dig dig dig, work work work; regex'ing xml ♫ Data, layouts, galaxy script; GUI can go to hell ♫♫ |
| 13:02.35 | Zolden | any ideas why colossus tower doesn't rotate work with any turret but the genuine colossus one? |
| 13:07.25 | Bommes | huzzah, successfully built the opengl assignment from my course on windows |
| 13:07.42 | Bommes | "we only support linux" my ass! |
| 13:10.11 | JademusSreg | Build != works |
| 13:10.13 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 13:10.38 | Bommes | close enough |
| 13:14.07 | Bommes | Zolden: I tried the Siege Tank turret and it seems to work? I think. |
| 13:14.16 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 13:14.21 | Bommes | don't see any problems |
| 13:14.55 | JademusSreg | (Don't forget turret actors, turret data, adding the turret to the weapon on the unit, et cetera.) |
| 13:16.16 | Zolden | Bommes yea, when arc is 360, it's fine, but i need arc = 120, and it doesn't work, turret jsut freezes in forward direction |
| 13:17.04 | Bommes | Mmh, that's probably because the Colossus isn't turnable by default? I would guess. |
| 13:17.11 | Bommes | I'm not sure though, never used the arc setting on the turret itself |
| 13:17.20 | Zolden | i made it turnable |
| 13:18.02 | Zolden | arc setting just makes the body turn if it's not enough of allowed arc to turn |
| 13:18.40 | Zolden | and i need the body to turn, because i use relative angles of search. but with custom turret, none of body or turret turn ;/ |
| 13:19.07 | Bommes | Hmm, I'm using the standard colossus which is not turnable and my arc setting does work |
| 13:19.37 | Zolden | try to check turnable flag |
| 13:20.02 | Zolden | siege tank is turrnable, and custom turrets with lower arc work for it |
| 13:20.34 | Bommes | also works |
| 13:21.27 | Zolden | with what arc value? |
| 13:22.07 | G0A | shit, just discovered that my push map was lagging cause actor leak |
| 13:22.21 | Bommes | 120 |
| 13:23.56 | Bommes | Zolden: Have you made sure the turret actor is set up correctly and the turret is linked properly in the unit weapon list? |
| 13:24.23 | Bommes | otherwise I'm not sure what could cause that problem |
| 13:26.22 | Zolden | yea, i'm sure |
| 13:32.03 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 13:32.16 | JademusSreg | Zol, paste the data? |
| 13:33.26 | kingTD | Zolden well it works... from Mud saves to PS format image with the layers of painted layers in Mudbox but the making high poly model idk if really worth the time if the result not much better than painting something in PS itself :]] |
| 13:34.12 | kingTD | http://snag.gy/IPvCa.jpg |
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| 13:36.46 | kingTD | http://youtu.be/gCVNlY5bmkY |
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| 13:37.46 | Zolden | JademusSreg it's jsut awkward: if I copy siege tank turret, colossus tower rotates, but it rotates 360 when I set 120. If i copy colossus one or create my own, the tower doesn't rotate when i have ark something else but 360 |
| 13:37.53 | kingTD | mb painting colors at the start and all that shit without even making that high poly makes more point using it |
| 13:38.39 | JademusSreg | Provided I understand the design and can see the data, I can solve the issue. =D |
| 13:39.15 | Zolden | kingTD diffuse paint + normal map will do the best |
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| 13:39.29 | Zolden | but not on those shoes, rather on a bigger model |
| 13:40.08 | kingTD | yeah needs more research for me and see better usage for it |
| 13:40.53 | Zolden | JademusSreg just a colossus with "turned" flag. Its turret should have arc of 120. So, I creted a turret thing with 120 arc and normal 999 yaw rate. Should work? yea? works? no |
| 13:41.46 | Zolden | kingTD maybe experiment on something simple, try to create a cool looking, but not too complex rock |
| 13:42.28 | Zolden | you know, one of those funny looking rocks that look fine even without normal, jsut with brighter edges in diffuse, but you make it with normal and specular |
| 13:43.11 | kingTD | YEAH@ |
| 13:47.07 | Zolden | JademusSreg it's definitely a bug, because if I edit one of the existing turrets, it works, and if I copy it, it doesn't work |
| 13:47.19 | Zolden | so, fuck it |
| 13:48.20 | JademusSreg | Haha, I'd help if I had the requisite information (It's the only way I can manage the contextual shifts between my work and helping with shit.) |
| 13:48.22 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 13:48.35 | Bommes | Zolden: It works either way? For me |
| 13:52.37 | Zolden | ok, not a big deal, i don't want to spend more time on this buggy shit, just edited one of unused turrets and it works |
| 13:52.46 | Bommes | really needs more context to be able to recreate that problem, I tried using existing turrets, changing existing turrets and creating new turrets from scratch and it all worked flawlessly with the colossus |
| 13:52.59 | Bommes | yeah but I'd like to recreate the bug so I know what it is |
| 13:53.34 | Bommes | but w/e |
| 13:54.08 | Zolden | ok, I have nothing, but: colossus with "turnable flag". Copied siege tank turret with edited yaw arc to 120. |
| 13:54.39 | Zolden | i have also a custom weapon, but it has arc 0, so shouldn't interfere |
| 13:55.21 | Bommes | the siege tank (sieged) or just siege tank turret? |
| 13:55.28 | Zolden | just siege tank |
| 13:55.32 | Zolden | same with colossus turret |
| 13:55.42 | Zolden | copy with 120 doesn't rotate the tower |
| 13:56.11 | Zolden | i remember, it worked for the tank, the newly created worked perfectly with smaller arc than 360 |
| 13:56.20 | Zolden | it worked with my custom unit i made in max |
| 13:56.31 | Zolden | and now colossus bitchin |
| 13:58.07 | Bommes | So, I made a fresh map, changed colossus to turnable, weapon arc to 0, duplicated the siege tank turret and set the yaw arc to 120 |
| 13:58.09 | Zolden | it reminds me of the old issue with custom/copied footprints weren't working |
| 13:58.14 | Bommes | works |
| 13:58.35 | Bommes | did you duplicate the turret actor? |
| 13:58.46 | Bommes | or just copy the existing turret? |
| 13:58.58 | Zolden | Bommes ok, maybe it's something on my side, but i don't want to investigate, from the first glance it looks fine |
| 13:59.28 | Zolden | I don't know what's turret actor, I just copy the turret under turrets tab |
| 14:00.08 | Bommes | you have to duplicate it since a turret needs a "Turret" type actor to be functional, that turret actor manages which attachment point the turret uses (Turret Z usually) and has to be enabled with an Actor Event |
| 14:00.11 | Zolden | as i know, turret thing makes turret Z attachment turn |
| 14:00.50 | Bommes | actor event looks something like TurretEnable.YourTurretActor.* -> Create or something |
| 14:01.38 | JademusSreg | No duplicate. =\ |
| 14:02.16 | JademusSreg | Learn to add new entries. =D |
| 14:03.30 | Zolden | i create shitty new entry, but it didn't work either |
| 14:03.54 | Zolden | Bommes so, if i create a new turret actor and use my turret entry there, it will work? |
| 14:05.01 | Bommes | Zolden: Yeah, it should, I didn't encounter any problems |
| 14:05.03 | JademusSreg | Y u no paste xml, Zol? |
| 14:05.37 | Zolden | JademusSreg it's not the case for xml paste, as you can see, Bommes found the issue without |
| 14:05.39 | Bommes | just make sure it uses the correct references for turret z attachment point etc |
| 14:05.53 | Bommes | under yaw query |
| 14:06.14 | JademusSreg | [09:14:58] <JademusSreg> (Don't forget turret actors, turret data, adding the turret to the weapon on the unit, et cetera.) |
| 14:06.59 | Zolden | strange, why it's nemad _yaw_ query, we can pick TurretY there, and it will be pitch, won't it be? |
| 14:07.47 | Zolden | JademusSreg yea, you right, i had to pay more attention to each point you mentioned, but my wrong experience filtered the "turret actors" part of your note |
| 14:07.48 | Bommes | not sure, since the turret data also just has values for yaw rate and yaw arc, and no pitch at all |
| 14:08.01 | JademusSreg | No worries. =D |
| 14:08.04 | Bommes | so it probably just works for turret z and yaws right now |
| 14:08.04 | Zolden | sad, i'd use pitch too |
| 14:08.20 | Zolden | since the "look at" thing is bugged and requires triggers |
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| 14:08.52 | Zolden | alright, thanks, it works now |
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| 14:16.38 | Deathbringer | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3249 |
| 14:16.39 | Deathbringer | Its not working. |
| 14:17.27 | kingTD | G0A yeah Bratzo broke that exp gain. 115% more gain :d |
| 14:18.20 | Deathbringer | Anyone help? |
| 14:18.35 | Ownage | trying to grab which ability is assigned to a button, has anyone done this? |
| 14:18.52 | kingTD | Death wtf is that? |
| 14:18.53 | JademusSreg | Do not match exactly. |
| 14:19.08 | JademusSreg | Well, that's optional. |
| 14:19.10 | kingTD | "1-41a6546a54-6players" |
| 14:19.25 | Deathbringer | I just put 6 numbers for my security. |
| 14:19.29 | JademusSreg | But need to know the handle with certainty. |
| 14:19.33 | Deathbringer | But I do have 6 numbers there. |
| 14:19.33 | Ownage | I think he's trying to hide the number from us |
| 14:19.41 | Ownage | like we give a shit at all |
| 14:19.51 | JademusSreg | What manner of security would one need? The handle has no use outside of maps. |
| 14:19.54 | Deathbringer | Well you told me it was hackable. |
| 14:19.59 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 14:20.02 | Ownage | >< |
| 14:20.11 | Ownage | debug it like you would any other trigger |
| 14:20.11 | JademusSreg | I said I've never seen it spoofed. |
| 14:20.20 | Ownage | also, it doesn't always know your ID when you test |
| 14:20.21 | Deathbringer | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3250 |
| 14:20.34 | JademusSreg | Bnet manages that shit, so your account would be hacked before anyone would spoof the handle, certainly. |
| 14:20.36 | Deathbringer | Well I need it to work for me only. |
| 14:20.45 | Ownage | so what you want to do is remove that condition and instead make the action an if statement |
| 14:20.56 | Ownage | if that, add minerals, otherwise print out what it sees |
| 14:21.11 | Ownage | also, if you're trying to add debugging triggers there are better ways to do it |
| 14:21.25 | Ownage | example, have a variable debug=False at beginning of your map |
| 14:21.50 | JademusSreg | Alright. That corresponds to http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/592712/1/DeathBringer/ |
| 14:22.07 | JademusSreg | Is this the account you're testing -on battlenet-. |
| 14:22.16 | Deathbringer | I'm Yeah |
| 14:22.20 | Deathbringer | Yeah* |
| 14:22.29 | Ownage | ok JademusSreg let's start the hackbot |
| 14:22.31 | Bommes | stop hacking him |
| 14:22.31 | JademusSreg | Because player handle in a local test is empty. |
| 14:22.37 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 14:22.38 | Ownage | we know his ID let's uninstall his OS |
| 14:23.36 | JademusSreg | So if you want it to work in local tests and bnet, add an OR to that condition, compare player handle to an empty string in addition to your handle. |
| 14:24.04 | Deathbringer | Wait so I have to make my number an empty string? |
| 14:24.22 | Ownage | just do what I said already |
| 14:24.36 | Ownage | have it print out what it sees, then you know what to put |
| 14:24.38 | JademusSreg | So in GUI, it would be structured like Conditions > OR (multiple) > (Handle of player (Triggering player)) == "1-S2-1-592712" or (Handle of player (Triggering player)) == "" |
| 14:25.19 | JademusSreg | iirc, local tests have a player handle of "" (or null). |
| 14:25.26 | Deathbringer | Oh |
| 14:25.38 | Deathbringer | So your saying that Tests and RL Game work different? |
| 14:25.39 | Ownage | or you can do one if statement, if handle of player with all instances of "1-S2-1-592712" with "" == "" |
| 14:25.41 | Ownage | :D |
| 14:25.43 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 14:25.44 | Deathbringer | So it would work in a RL Game? |
| 14:25.54 | Ownage | also, that's not always the case btw |
| 14:25.56 | JademusSreg | It should, yes. |
| 14:26.01 | Deathbringer | Okay. |
| 14:26.07 | Ownage | so you will want to check both for it to work in testing |
| 14:26.33 | Deathbringer | Okay, and I have another problem. |
| 14:26.42 | Ownage | especially if you test map while logged into bnet, by clicking test right after an online game, which I do a lot |
| 14:26.49 | Ownage | then it actually will know your id |
| 14:26.49 | Deathbringer | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3251 |
| 14:26.53 | JademusSreg | Own, plenty of more sophisticated approaches, but DB here is not quite that savvy with the tools, ya know? |
| 14:26.54 | Deathbringer | This is not working. |
| 14:27.18 | JademusSreg | Always describe how something should work and how it is not working. |
| 14:27.29 | Deathbringer | Its just not reviving the unit. |
| 14:28.11 | JademusSreg | I expect Attacking Unit is wrong event response, returning a null unit reference. |
| 14:28.49 | JademusSreg | Also, Killing Unit, wouldn't that be the unit -doing- the killing? |
| 14:28.50 | Ownage | "Use "Killing Unit" to get the unit that dealt the killing blow." |
| 14:29.01 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 14:29.05 | Deathbringer | I added that cause I dont want the enemy to attack one and get revived. |
| 14:29.09 | JademusSreg | Triggering unit for the unit that is dying. |
| 14:29.11 | Ownage | full text: "This event fires when a unit dies. Use "Damage Source Position" to get the position of the unit that dealt the killing blow. Use "Killing Player" to get the owner of the unit that dealt the killing blow. Use "Killing Unit" to get the unit that dealt the killing blow. Use "Triggering Death Type Check" to get the death type. Use "Triggering Player" to get the owner of the unit that died. Use "Triggering Unit" to get the unit that died |
| 14:29.12 | Ownage | . Use "Experience Level Of Unit" to get the experience level of the unit that died. Use "Total Experience Of Unit" to get the total number of experience points the unit had before it died." |
| 14:29.16 | Ownage | shoot sorry |
| 14:29.47 | Ownage | you'll notie there's no mention of attacking unit. a unit dying doesn't have anything to do with an attack believe it or not, therefore there is no attacking unit at unit death |
| 14:29.50 | Deathbringer | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3252 |
| 14:29.55 | Deathbringer | So like this? |
| 14:30.25 | JademusSreg | Do you intend to check if "Feared Soul" is killing or dying? |
| 14:30.35 | Deathbringer | Killing |
| 14:30.50 | JademusSreg | So if it kills a unit, that unit will be revived, yeah? |
| 14:30.56 | Deathbringer | Yeah |
| 14:31.06 | Ownage | then why is it killing it? :) |
| 14:31.16 | Deathbringer | But I dont want player 1 to be revived if he dies. |
| 14:31.38 | JademusSreg | Then you'd add a condition for that. |
| 14:31.44 | Ownage | owner of (killing unit) != 1 |
| 14:31.44 | Deathbringer | Which condition? |
| 14:32.08 | JademusSreg | Owner of triggering unit or Triggering player != somenumber |
| 14:32.12 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.15 | Bommes | killing unit is the attacker though, so the reviving unit would be triggering unit |
| 14:32.26 | Deathbringer | This? |
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| 14:32.36 | JademusSreg | Yeah, apparently that's what DB wants Bom. |
| 14:32.50 | Bommes | swap killing unit with triggering unit and it should work |
| 14:32.51 | JademusSreg | Killing unit is not Dying unit |
| 14:32.53 | Ownage | oh if player 1 dies |
| 14:33.05 | Deathbringer | No |
| 14:33.16 | Deathbringer | I need it so that Player 1 Doesnt get revived. |
| 14:33.27 | Ownage | then do what jade says |
| 14:33.32 | Ownage | triggering player != 1 |
| 14:33.52 | Ownage | that means "the player who's unit died isn't 1" |
| 14:34.12 | Ownage | JademusSreg, can you help me with a catalog thing |
| 14:34.27 | Ownage | trying to find the abilcmd of a button in command card, which is under another |
| 14:34.42 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.45 | Deathbringer | Like this? |
| 14:35.00 | Ownage | not from what you're saying |
| 14:35.16 | Ownage | you're saying if that feared soul kills one of player 1's units, you don't want it to revive, RIGHT? |
| 14:35.20 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 14:35.29 | Deathbringer | Yeah |
| 14:35.35 | Ownage | then that is wrong |
| 14:35.46 | Bommes | Deathbringer: (Owner of (Triggering Unit)) != 1. Alternatively you could also use (Triggering Player) != 1, in this context it would do the same. |
| 14:36.09 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.11 | Deathbringer | This? |
| 14:36.18 | Ownage | yeah |
| 14:36.33 | Ownage | this is what I get when looking at cardlayout of a unit: http://imageshack.us/a/img850/4220/g0yg.png |
| 14:36.47 | Ownage | how am I supposed to specify the button underneath? |
| 14:37.21 | Ownage | I tried browsing catalog through data reference but that confused me more, as each button had 3 indexes which I couldn't understand |
| 14:37.37 | Ownage | for example, button 0-13, row, column |
| 14:37.56 | Deathbringer | And this thing is not working. (Owner of (Triggering unit)) != 1 |
| 14:37.59 | Deathbringer | Oops |
| 14:38.02 | Deathbringer | Wrong thing |
| 14:38.08 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.15 | Deathbringer | The Alert ping still goes off. |
| 14:38.32 | Ownage | hide the race type |
| 14:38.37 | Ownage | not the generic one |
| 14:38.52 | Ownage | Hide AttackUnitAlly_Protoss or whatever |
| 14:39.01 | G0A | Ownage you cant change abilcmd with catalogs (or with anything else) |
| 14:39.08 | Ownage | I just want to read it |
| 14:39.13 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.19 | Deathbringer | This is terr |
| 14:39.27 | Ownage | read what I said again |
| 14:39.31 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.35 | Ownage | there you go |
| 14:39.44 | Ownage | do it for all races they could be in your map |
| 14:41.02 | Ownage | browsing the catalog in data reference doesn't make any sense to me; looking at a unit that has 2 buttons in the #11 (index 10) position, I find button 10 listed only once |
| 14:41.26 | Ownage | and the only values it has in there is Column:2 and Row:1 |
| 14:41.34 | Ownage | neither of which make any sense to me |
| 14:42.46 | Ownage | wait maybe |
| 14:44.00 | Ownage | ok I think the button count matches |
| 14:45.07 | Ownage | yeah ok so those indexes make sense to me now |
| 14:45.58 | Ownage | nvm I think I got it |
| 15:04.21 | Zolden | medivac attack http://i.snag.gy/SzG9V.jpg |
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| 15:07.48 | Ahli | lol nice |
| 15:08.42 | Bommes | you mean shmettivac? |
| 15:09.15 | Ahli | hellvac |
| 15:10.15 | Deathbringer | How do you remove an item from a players bag using triggers? |
| 15:11.36 | Deathbringer | ? |
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| 15:13.43 | Stewox | join ##conspiracy |
| 15:13.50 | Stewox | oops |
| 15:14.09 | Zolden | Bommes yea :) |
| 15:14.15 | kingTD | Stewox WHY WHY YOU HATER CAME HERE AGAIN!!?!?! |
| 15:14.24 | Deathbringer | How do you remove an item from a players bag using triggers? |
| 15:14.34 | Stewox | excuse me ? |
| 15:14.43 | Zolden | How do you remove an item from a players butt using triggers? |
| 15:16.54 | kingTD | WONT FORGIVE YOU! |
| 15:18.06 | kingTD | Zolden create unit on the map CivilianMiner and he will make wide enough hole in your players unit |
| 15:18.58 | kingTD | :d |
| 15:19.13 | Zolden | scv woud do it too |
| 15:20.15 | kingTD | no, it would repair his ass afterwards |
| 15:21.49 | Zolden | he can't repair asses, if he could, he'd retire sc2 and open ass repair workshop with "your ass - our repairing drill" slogan |
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| 15:24.00 | Deathbringer | Does anyone know how to remove a specific item from a units bag? |
| 15:24.31 | kingTD | well a lot of work places already is offering this services so not every scv is able to break through with this profitable profesion |
| 15:27.31 | Zolden | kingTD yea, they are corrupted, stealing minerals, if they wouldn't, each scv would bring 5.5 minerals per turn |
| 15:27.47 | Zolden | than selling minerlas on balck market |
| 15:27.51 | Zolden | *then |
| 15:28.04 | Deathbringer | Does anyone know how to remove a specific item from a units bag? |
| 15:28.19 | kingTD | finally im acomplished something with that Then Than thing :d |
| 15:30.15 | Zolden | :) |
| 15:30.31 | Deathbringer | Does anyone know how to remove a specific item from a units bag? |
| 15:31.15 | Zolden | kingTD than you can consider yourself as a better tutor then tainted |
| 15:31.31 | kingTD | !!! |
| 15:31.56 | Deathbringer | Does http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3253 remove the specific item? |
| 15:32.13 | Deathbringer | Reviver = Item |
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| 16:10.18 | kingTD | Anyone knows how to get Minimap image in high resoliution that is displayed in Terrain Editor? |
| 16:10.30 | kingTD | wait |
| 16:10.35 | kingTD | no |
| 16:10.38 | kingTD | processed |
| 16:10.41 | kingTD | qdq6w12 |
| 16:10.41 | kingTD | edw1rq |
| 16:10.42 | kingTD | 6w |
| 16:10.43 | kingTD | faijnav |
| 16:10.44 | Zolden | penis |
| 16:12.07 | kingTD | weed |
| 16:24.10 | Kueken | hitler |
| 16:24.30 | Kueken | me and Zolden obviously switched consciousnesses |
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| 16:56.47 | Zolden | Kueken http://snag.gy/BmLhq.jpg |
| 16:57.21 | Kueken | approves |
| 17:00.23 | MoonEater | eez |
| 17:00.37 | kingTD | shmedivacc approves! |
| 17:00.38 | Zolden | i recently understood why there's "car" in "carbot" |
| 17:01.37 | kingTD | share your views about it! |
| 17:02.34 | Zolden | it's short for "cartoon" |
| 17:03.29 | MoonEater | now.... |
| 17:03.40 | MoonEater | how to make quest dymanic and easy to implement |
| 17:11.51 | kingTD | trololoololololol http://snag.gy/TqpAJ.jpg |
| 17:22.21 | Zolden | lol |
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| 17:25.17 | MoonEater | kingTD i whana play wiht u guys :( |
| 17:25.51 | kingTD | :D its just loading from map editor one time appearance bug :D |
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| 17:27.29 | MoonEater | oh |
| 17:27.48 | Deathbringer | I need some help with creating a kick player command. I want it so if I say "-kick red" it kicks red. |
| 17:30.07 | Deathbringer | Any help? |
| 17:30.38 | kingTD | there is on SC2mapster in assets Section the Script for that |
| 17:30.58 | kingTD | fucking rage quiter |
| 17:36.35 | JademusSreg | Zuup. |
| 17:38.07 | MoonEater | ya |
| 17:38.14 | MoonEater | use my tutorial Deathbringer |
| 17:38.14 | kingTD | Does anyone know how to remove a specific item from a units bag? |
| 17:38.43 | MoonEater | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/58028-tutorial-how-to-kick-players-and-ban-for-noobs/#p1 |
| 17:38.51 | MoonEater | Deathbringer |
| 17:38.55 | kingTD | [20:30] == Deathbringer [60fbc509@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.251.197.9] has quit [Client Quit] |
| 17:41.23 | MoonEater | fk me |
| 17:41.24 | JademusSreg | Twod, specify? |
| 17:41.50 | kingTD | Jade its Deathbringers question |
| 17:42.22 | JademusSreg | Oh. |
| 17:42.24 | kingTD | http://youtu.be/1Wytn-_MSBo |
| 17:42.33 | JademusSreg | ceases interest. |
| 17:44.41 | MoonEater | damn |
| 17:44.43 | MoonEater | jade |
| 17:44.47 | MoonEater | brainstorm with meh |
| 17:45.07 | JademusSreg | After I get back, sure. |
| 17:45.10 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 17:46.47 | kingTD | triceron wth! |
| 17:47.06 | kingTD | GIVE YOUR MODELS TO ME!!!!! |
| 17:47.22 | Stewox | hello guys |
| 17:47.32 | Zolden | is it a robbery? |
| 17:47.37 | Stewox | anyone in a mood to explain me how can i make Bank file work for 4 players |
| 17:47.37 | MoonEater | hi stewox |
| 17:47.48 | Triceron | I'll give you for buttsex |
| 17:48.07 | Zolden | buTDsex |
| 17:48.10 | MoonEater | Zolden, do i need to make a new thread for each request cause u still havent made my plane that doesnt recieve shadows |
| 17:48.34 | Zolden | MoonEater ok, sec |
| 17:48.34 | kingTD | Stewox there is proper examples maps that makes basic bank files |
| 17:48.49 | Zolden | and advanced oink files |
| 17:48.53 | MoonEater | So guys i got a 2D rpg |
| 17:48.59 | MoonEater | and i want to make dynamic quests |
| 17:49.13 | MoonEater | basicaly i want to a good way to alter quests game to game |
| 17:49.19 | MoonEater | to give the player a new game feeling |
| 17:49.32 | MoonEater | welcome to the BRAINSTORM! |
| 17:49.57 | Triceron | Heroes of the Brainstorm |
| 17:49.59 | Stewox | hmm |
| 17:50.08 | Stewox | i don't think i need a lot of stuff |
| 17:50.27 | MoonEater | How would i even go about making dynamic quests |
| 17:50.28 | Triceron | by dynamic do you mean randomized |
| 17:50.28 | MoonEater | bleh |
| 17:50.34 | Triceron | or more like an open rpg? |
| 17:50.41 | MoonEater | i should just go and make a player a phantom |
| 17:50.44 | MoonEater | like |
| 17:50.52 | MoonEater | its not open rpg |
| 17:51.12 | MoonEater | im trying to keep my game a fresh as possible each time though |
| 17:51.22 | MoonEater | i did stuff all off the game to help that |
| 17:51.25 | Stewox | kingTD aren't all those tutorials obsolete and old |
| 17:51.25 | Triceron | so a roguelike |
| 17:51.29 | MoonEater | but i think quests also need freshening |
| 17:51.43 | Zolden | MoonEater http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/44/524/plane_diffuse_and_alpha_no_shadows.m3 |
| 17:51.44 | MoonEater | Stewox most are not obsolete |
| 17:51.54 | MoonEater | Zolden |
| 17:51.57 | kingTD | Stewox no, I using one year old one |
| 17:51.58 | MoonEater | i love u |
| 17:51.58 | MoonEater | now |
| 17:52.01 | kingTD | made by Ahli |
| 17:52.02 | MoonEater | brainstorm with us |
| 17:52.23 | Stewox | didn't found a lot of stuff when i searched sites |
| 17:52.26 | MoonEater | ive used some that r 5 years old |
| 17:52.29 | MoonEater | they work awsomely |
| 17:52.33 | Stewox | it also didn't really tell me what i need |
| 17:52.46 | Stewox | because; i just want to make a playlist of audio files which would activate based on bank parameter |
| 17:53.06 | Stewox | and the bank parameter will be based on the last audio file played from that same playlist |
| 17:53.08 | Ahli | I made what? |
| 17:53.11 | Stewox | incremeting |
| 17:53.14 | kingTD | Sc2mapster have it |
| 17:53.21 | kingTD | Ahli bank map |
| 17:53.29 | Zolden | Ahli oink map |
| 17:53.30 | MoonEater | Stewox |
| 17:53.32 | Ahli | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4479839/bankTest.SC2Map |
| 17:53.34 | MoonEater | didnt u read my reply? |
| 17:53.42 | Stewox | the playlist will have default audio file, when there is no bank parameter or just default parameter, which is first playing |
| 17:53.48 | MoonEater | Stewox |
| 17:53.53 | MoonEater | make the playlist First |
| 17:53.54 | MoonEater | then |
| 17:53.56 | MoonEater | bank it |
| 17:54.05 | MoonEater | doing it the other way around is silly |
| 17:54.06 | Stewox | incrementing will work by map inits |
| 17:54.23 | Stewox | which means, the next file will be played when that map loads next time |
| 17:54.45 | MoonEater | stewox, that makes no sense |
| 17:54.58 | Stewox | im not talking about code |
| 17:55.01 | Ahli | store integer for the offset, done :D |
| 17:55.02 | Stewox | im talking about logic |
| 17:55.21 | MoonEater | how many songs are u storing in your map |
| 17:55.26 | MoonEater | u can only hold 20mb |
| 17:55.27 | Stewox | well im kind of new to banks i don't really know how to even start |
| 17:55.40 | Stewox | 20mb only WTF |
| 17:55.42 | Stewox | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 17:55.45 | MoonEater | yes |
| 17:55.52 | MoonEater | thats why it doesnt make sense |
| 17:55.58 | Stewox | im already like 15 and i want to add another 3 mins |
| 17:56.02 | Stewox | HOLY SHIT |
| 17:56.15 | MoonEater | THATS WHY U SHOULD LISTEN TO ME ON THE FORUMS |
| 17:56.20 | Stewox | this is a pile of bs, i was so happy i wanted to fill that 100mb with audio |
| 17:56.20 | MoonEater | hits u with wet fish |
| 17:56.28 | Stewox | i was on the forums, i didn't notice then |
| 17:56.38 | MoonEater | you would piss off players if u loaded 100mb of audio |
| 17:56.51 | Stewox | if i had good stuff i would |
| 17:57.06 | MoonEater | it would take 20 min to download the map file |
| 17:57.21 | Stewox | no I actually planned to add 2 more soundclips, one in middle and one at the end, and those are musics so they're like 3 mins and it won't make 20MB |
| 17:57.22 | MoonEater | aka, new players dont know whats on it and wont download it |
| 17:57.43 | Stewox | i have 6 intros that i want to make them on a playlist |
| 17:57.54 | Stewox | these 6 ones are 2-3 MB |
| 17:59.31 | Stewox | it's 18,1 MB total |
| 17:59.38 | Stewox | no way 20mb is the limit |
| 17:59.42 | Stewox | that's ridicolous |
| 17:59.58 | kingTD | the limit is 157mb |
| 17:59.59 | Stewox | what is this, 1990 |
| 18:00.11 | MoonEater | nooo |
| 18:00.24 | Stewox | i don't know why would blizz do this it's silly mooneater i will believe it when i see it |
| 18:00.54 | MoonEater | its obvious to me |
| 18:01.08 | MoonEater | they dont want to hold abunch of 1gb files |
| 18:01.41 | MoonEater | actually |
| 18:01.45 | MoonEater | i think im wrong |
| 18:01.50 | MoonEater | i think they changed it again |
| 18:02.21 | MoonEater | i think king is right |
| 18:03.00 | MoonEater | cause i remember when there was a celebration about blizzard increasing to 20mb |
| 18:04.14 | MoonEater | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2674528413?page=1 |
| 18:06.02 | Stewox | oh what a relief |
| 18:06.07 | Triceron | that's not counting mod space though, which you can use to store audio instead of directly in the maps |
| 18:06.55 | Stewox | wou wou |
| 18:06.57 | Stewox | wait |
| 18:07.05 | Stewox | do i need to put the sounds into another file |
| 18:07.14 | Stewox | if one file can be 20 MB |
| 18:08.01 | Stewox | but i heard some other guys say that one file can be 150 |
| 18:09.03 | kingTD | yes |
| 18:09.18 | Stewox | yes to what ? |
| 18:09.36 | kingTD | but if update your map then you will have to upload all the same audio files and players with slow internet speed too |
| 18:09.42 | kingTD | so if you upload the mod file once |
| 18:10.06 | Stewox | oh, indeed i get it |
| 18:10.06 | kingTD | and you would have any shit there to update players and you wouldnt need to upload more |
| 18:10.32 | Stewox | players would have to download the audio again right |
| 18:10.36 | Stewox | i see |
| 18:13.01 | Ahli | 20 slots... those limits :X |
| 18:14.49 | Bommes | textures slots? |
| 18:14.52 | Bommes | *texture |
| 18:15.56 | Ahli | file slots on bnet |
| 18:28.26 | Stewox | triceron |
| 18:28.38 | Stewox | do i need to remove dependency in the mod file ? |
| 18:38.02 | kingTD | of what? other sc2 mods? well they arent needed for your mod if you just placing files there and not other data |
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| 18:38.38 | Stewox | the mod file that i only want to have as a storage shouldn't require other dependency |
| 18:38.43 | Stewox | like audio files |
| 18:38.49 | Stewox | storage for the main map |
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| 18:43.07 | MoonEater | bleh |
| 18:43.34 | Deathbringer | How to do make an action to teleports a unit to your location? |
| 18:43.43 | Deathbringer | teleport* |
| 18:43.46 | MoonEater | move unit instantly |
| 18:44.25 | Deathbringer | Ik but what do I put? |
| 18:44.51 | MoonEater | when do u want the teleport to happen? |
| 18:45.48 | Deathbringer | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3255 |
| 18:45.54 | Deathbringer | Whne I type the command |
| 18:46.18 | MoonEater | i need a way to validate a point |
| 18:46.29 | MoonEater | u want it to teleport to the center of ur screen? |
| 18:46.38 | Deathbringer | No, where my unit is. |
| 18:46.44 | MoonEater | ok |
| 18:46.49 | MoonEater | how will u tell the command? |
| 18:46.58 | Deathbringer | When I type the message? |
| 18:47.02 | MoonEater | i mean |
| 18:47.07 | MoonEater | which unit |
| 18:47.14 | MoonEater | how do u identify the target unit |
| 18:47.33 | MoonEater | always the same unit, different unit, the unit u have selected |
| 18:47.36 | Deathbringer | To the unit I'm playing? Cause I can be different units |
| 18:47.41 | Deathbringer | I have selected. |
| 18:47.45 | MoonEater | ok |
| 18:47.47 | MoonEater | so |
| 18:47.58 | MoonEater | pick each unit in unit group |
| 18:48.05 | MoonEater | the unit group is selected unit |
| 18:48.17 | MoonEater | then issue a teleport to point |
| 18:48.24 | MoonEater | the point is possition of selected unit |
| 18:48.43 | MoonEater | ok so how do u identify the unit to be teleported? |
| 18:48.53 | MoonEater | u want player 1's hero or somthing? |
| 18:49.03 | MoonEater | maybe u select that unit first? |
| 18:49.08 | MoonEater | then the second one second? |
| 18:49.16 | Deathbringer | Wait |
| 18:49.22 | Deathbringer | Whats after the pick unit? |
| 18:49.43 | MoonEater | under it or in it? |
| 18:49.53 | Deathbringer | Under |
| 18:49.57 | MoonEater | teleport |
| 18:51.03 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.08 | Deathbringer | Kk, now what? |
| 18:51.30 | MoonEater | point |
| 18:51.37 | MoonEater | is possision of picke dunit |
| 18:52.11 | MoonEater | when ur done we work on triggering unit |
| 18:54.04 | Deathbringer | I dont see picked unit in Point |
| 18:54.37 | MoonEater | no |
| 18:54.38 | MoonEater | u do |
| 18:54.44 | MoonEater | possition of unit |
| 18:54.50 | MoonEater | then unit is picked unit |
| 18:55.48 | Deathbringer | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3256 |
| 18:55.50 | Deathbringer | Like so? |
| 18:57.28 | MoonEater | yes |
| 18:57.29 | MoonEater | now |
| 18:57.38 | MoonEater | u need to designate the triggering unit |
| 18:57.45 | Deathbringer | What do you mean? |
| 18:57.48 | MoonEater | triggering unit ==no unit with this configuration |
| 18:57.55 | Deathbringer | Oh |
| 18:57.59 | Deathbringer | Okay, so what do I do? |
| 18:58.06 | kingTD | Finally Zolden started to understand how to properly to play with the Mudbox |
| 18:58.13 | MoonEater | you also dont need to grab player variable |
| 18:58.19 | MoonEater | we dont need to know who the player is |
| 18:59.04 | Deathbringer | But then how do I do |
| 18:59.11 | Deathbringer | -Teleport (Player number) |
| 18:59.28 | MoonEater | ur teleporting units not player |
| 18:59.57 | MoonEater | are u using somthing like Hero[player]? |
| 19:00.16 | Deathbringer | No? |
| 19:00.23 | MoonEater | what im saying is |
| 19:00.50 | Deathbringer | And yeah, I want to teleport the unit |
| 19:00.53 | MoonEater | based off the player number can we detirmine which of that players units need to be teleported to your selected unit? |
| 19:01.09 | MoonEater | is it the same unit each time for that player that u want to teleport |
| 19:01.15 | Deathbringer | Yeah cause I type "Teleport 5" |
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| 19:01.34 | Deathbringer | Good point lol |
| 19:01.39 | kingTD | Zolden http://snag.gy/Guc0G.jpg |
| 19:01.42 | MoonEater | if u type teleport 5, will it always be the same unit for player 5 or will it be different units each time |
| 19:01.56 | Deathbringer | Wait ehh |
| 19:02.08 | Deathbringer | I just want the unit that they are playing to come to me |
| 19:02.15 | Deathbringer | I dont want a specific unit |
| 19:03.04 | MoonEater | ghost finder 2 right u want thier hero unit right? |
| 19:03.22 | Deathbringer | I dont get what you mean by hero unit |
| 19:03.32 | MoonEater | the ghost finder unit |
| 19:03.36 | MoonEater | marine with flash light |
| 19:03.41 | MoonEater | u want that unit each time |
| 19:03.45 | MoonEater | for each player right? |
| 19:04.29 | Deathbringer | No, cause a person could be Zeratul |
| 19:04.37 | MoonEater | ok |
| 19:04.38 | MoonEater | so |
| 19:04.45 | MoonEater | u need a second designator |
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| 19:04.53 | MoonEater | get rrid of player variable |
| 19:05.01 | MoonEater | u will need 2 triggers |
| 19:05.01 | Deathbringer | Okay |
| 19:05.12 | MoonEater | both about the same |
| 19:05.17 | MoonEater | first trigger goes like this |
| 19:05.23 | MoonEater | -teleport A |
| 19:05.42 | MoonEater | you pick each unit in selected units |
| 19:06.03 | MoonEater | u add that unit to a global variable called ToTeleport |
| 19:06.21 | Deathbringer | Okay |
| 19:06.32 | MoonEater | then -teleport B is the same as http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3256 but without player and matching exactly |
| 19:06.54 | MoonEater | the triggering unit in http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3256 will be replaced by ToTeleport variable |
| 19:07.32 | Zolden | kingTD that's what i'm talking about |
| 19:07.37 | kingTD | ^^ |
| 19:07.50 | MoonEater | Deathbringer im stepping out ill be on MoonEater|mobile |
| 19:08.05 | Deathbringer | Okay |
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| 19:15.53 | JademusSreg | enjoys a refreshing mango raspberry facial mask. |
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| 19:17.03 | AndChat|271284 | Hihi |
| 19:17.07 | AndChat|271284 | Damnit |
| 19:18.18 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 19:21.48 | Bommes | Jade, but I hope you didn't take off your fedora for that facial mask occasion? |
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| 19:25.51 | kingTD | http://snag.gy/Guc0G.jpg http://snag.gy/a8jY2.jpg |
| 19:26.29 | kingTD | sadly in SC2 it looks shitty as the texture edges are casted with random shadows |
| 19:36.09 | JademusSreg | Bom, I did. =D |
| 19:36.36 | kingTD | http://snag.gy/MqmNl.jpg |
| 19:37.20 | JademusSreg | I'm guessing normal map generation issues? |
| 19:37.24 | Zolden | kingTD this is fucked, something about tormals |
| 19:38.02 | Zolden | maybe smoothing interferred |
| 19:38.22 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of old playstation JRPGs. |
| 19:38.23 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 19:38.25 | Zolden | ask Triceron, he will probably wil point, waht's wrong |
| 19:38.31 | Zolden | also, explain the steps you made |
| 19:39.12 | JademusSreg | (Smooth maxed out, then baked the normal? haha) |
| 19:40.28 | Otixa | kingTD, dat bake. so good :D |
| 19:41.44 | Zolden | :) |
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| 19:42.54 | kingTD | Jade I would say the Image texture type and properties itself problem i think but not sure |
| 19:47.52 | kingTD | Zolden http://snag.gy/MqmNl.jpg |
| 19:48.33 | Zolden | <JademusSreg> I'm guessing normal map generation issues? |
| 19:48.33 | Zolden | <Zolden> kingTD this is fucked, something about tormals |
| 19:48.33 | Zolden | <Zolden> maybe smoothing interferred |
| 19:48.33 | Zolden | <JademusSreg> Reminds me of old playstation JRPGs. |
| 19:48.33 | Zolden | <JademusSreg> brb |
| 19:48.34 | Zolden | <Zolden> ask Triceron, he will probably wil point, waht's wrong |
| 19:48.34 | Zolden | <Zolden> also, explain the steps you made |
| 19:48.35 | Zolden | <JademusSreg> (Smooth maxed out, then baked the normal? haha) |
| 19:48.35 | Zolden | <Otixa> kingTD, dat bake. so good :D |
| 19:49.18 | kingTD | nanananaan |
| 19:49.22 | kingTD | idk what to do anyways |
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| 19:49.46 | kingTD | Every model have thse lines but this one having them in way too much ridiculous lvls |
| 19:53.51 | Otixa | because you lack smoothing groups |
| 19:57.08 | kingTD | not the problem, smoothing all or something none |
| 19:58.59 | Triceron | do you have a normal map on the rock? |
| 19:59.02 | kingTD | rendered new Normal... : http://snag.gy/nvyqd.jpg wtf to do with it?! (previous attempt wasnt resulted in this, blueish it was) |
| 19:59.07 | kingTD | yes |
| 19:59.16 | Triceron | export the model without normal map |
| 19:59.19 | Triceron | see what that looks like first |
| 19:59.31 | Triceron | then you know if it's a normal map problem, or the model itself |
| 19:59.45 | kingTD | looks the same |
| 19:59.53 | Triceron | then it's a model issue |
| 20:00.22 | Otixa | smoooothing groooooups |
| 20:00.32 | Triceron | not sure how you could fix it in max, since I do most of my stuff in maya, but maybe try applying a 'Normal' modification and Unify Normals |
| 20:00.41 | Triceron | *modifier |
| 20:01.16 | kingTD | Nothing HELPS, Smoothing grouped all to 1 or smoothing auto. or using normal modifier |
| 20:01.27 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 20:02.02 | MoonEater | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.14 | MoonEater | u know what kind of map im constucting right? |
| 20:03.33 | JademusSreg | An SNES emulator, gogo |
| 20:03.35 | kingTD | its fucked up//... |
| 20:04.34 | Triceron | can you send me the model? |
| 20:05.18 | JademusSreg | Perhaps it can't find the normal because you used a local file reference. |
| 20:05.30 | Triceron | it shouldn't be a normal map issue |
| 20:05.36 | MoonEater | Jade im doing eveything i can to keep the game new and fresh each play through |
| 20:05.41 | MoonEater | how would i do it with quests? |
| 20:05.46 | MoonEater | and suggestions or ideas? |
| 20:06.02 | JademusSreg | Moon, I would direct you to the example set by the Left 4 Dead series. |
| 20:06.16 | MoonEater | quest is the same each game tho? |
| 20:06.25 | MoonEater | go from beginnign to end |
| 20:06.29 | MoonEater | they dont mix it up |
| 20:06.42 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:06.54 | kingTD | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/44/526/ExpRockMine.zip |
| 20:07.15 | JademusSreg | Moon, reread what I wrote, note the lack of a "2". |
| 20:07.45 | MoonEater | Jade, Reread wat i said, i didnt mention 2 |
| 20:08.01 | JademusSreg | Are you familiar with Left 4 Dead? |
| 20:08.32 | MoonEater | yes |
| 20:08.35 | MoonEater | ive played both |
| 20:08.47 | MoonEater | the missions r mostly go from point A to point B |
| 20:08.52 | MoonEater | and win |
| 20:09.26 | kingTD | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/44/526/ExpRockMine.zip |
| 20:09.40 | MoonEater | KingTD |
| 20:09.44 | kingTD | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/44/526/ExpRockMine.zip |
| 20:09.45 | MoonEater | what r u trying to show us? |
| 20:09.52 | kingTD | CAnndies! |
| 20:10.12 | MoonEater | KingTD, would u make a thread and then post that link? |
| 20:10.43 | kingTD | NO! |
| 20:10.54 | JademusSreg | Poor, sweet Moon, your capacity for abstraction is impoverished. The question is "how does Left 4 Dead produce variability in each playthrough?" |
| 20:11.27 | JademusSreg | Twod, that issue looks damn familiar, but I have trouble recalling where I've seen it. |
| 20:12.08 | JademusSreg | What material properties is it using? |
| 20:12.37 | MoonEater | to be honest, i got bored fast of left 4 dead's repetiveness |
| 20:12.50 | JademusSreg | Does it have the "null material" (iirttc) used to adopt terrain textures? |
| 20:13.46 | JademusSreg | Moon, that doesn't answer the question. What did Valve do for L4D to produce variation? |
| 20:15.21 | JademusSreg | Additionally, what did Bethesda do with Skyrim to ensure there would always be NPCs in need of the Dragonsnore's assistance? |
| 20:15.37 | MoonEater | i was thinking about that |
| 20:15.46 | MoonEater | but that wasnt exactly dynamic |
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| 20:15.54 | MoonEater | there was just alot of side quests |
| 20:16.02 | MoonEater | for the player to amuse himself with |
| 20:16.33 | MoonEater | what made skyrim so interesting was that you can be different things |
| 20:16.42 | MoonEater | doing different things not so much |
| 20:17.21 | MoonEater | i dont think dynamic quest the way i see it is even possible :/ |
| 20:18.10 | JademusSreg | You don't do much research, I gather. |
| 20:18.51 | MoonEater | not sure were to look |
| 20:19.04 | MoonEater | ur the college research librarian right now |
| 20:19.37 | MoonEater | Ajli |
| 20:19.39 | MoonEater | Ahli |
| 20:19.42 | MoonEater | ARE U MAD!!!! |
| 20:20.27 | Ahli | no, I'm hungry |
| 20:20.34 | Ahli | I didn't eat anything today so far |
| 20:20.35 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 20:20.38 | MoonEater | presets |
| 20:20.41 | MoonEater | i mean |
| 20:20.42 | MoonEater | records |
| 20:20.46 | MoonEater | u really hate them that much |
| 20:20.52 | MoonEater | records are awsome |
| 20:20.58 | MoonEater | just like classes are |
| 20:21.01 | MoonEater | in java |
| 20:21.02 | Ahli | no, I just don't use them because they were/are buggy |
| 20:21.13 | Ahli | you can't return them? |
| 20:21.26 | MoonEater | i belive you can |
| 20:21.33 | MoonEater | they are class equivilent |
| 20:22.31 | MoonEater | you cant in gui |
| 20:22.36 | MoonEater | Jade |
| 20:22.52 | MoonEater | can you return records? |
| 20:22.58 | MoonEater | in galaxy |
| 20:23.09 | Ahli | I had problems when I fixed the tags in gameheart. I fixed the code in a test map. Then copy pasting the code removed all the references to it |
| 20:23.10 | JademusSreg | structs |
| 20:23.22 | Ahli | *and it |
| 20:23.22 | MoonEater | same thing |
| 20:23.34 | MoonEater | can u return stucts |
| 20:23.39 | JademusSreg | Records are structs in galaxy script, and script has access to structref. |
| 20:23.47 | Ahli | also, you chose multiple things for that one variable, I just grab the one I need |
| 20:23.59 | MoonEater | well shit |
| 20:24.00 | MoonEater | jade |
| 20:24.10 | MoonEater | u finaly gave me a reason to switch to galaxy |
| 20:24.14 | JademusSreg | But no, cannot return structref, though it can be passed as a parameter. |
| 20:24.21 | MoonEater | ah |
| 20:24.24 | MoonEater | take it back |
| 20:25.27 | MoonEater | Ahli records have made my life alot easyer. its like arrays, you dont need them but when u have them..... oh yah... |
| 20:25.41 | JademusSreg | One moment. |
| 20:27.07 | Ahli | I create multiple arrays, use the same beginning in the name... now I got the same thing... |
| 20:27.23 | MoonEater | ok |
| 20:27.27 | MoonEater | i got a example |
| 20:27.31 | MoonEater | say |
| 20:27.39 | JademusSreg | Here's an example of using arrayref. https://pastee.org/mn2gf |
| 20:27.46 | Ahli | I know how they work... I just don't need them and they failed me in the past |
| 20:28.22 | JademusSreg | I was addressing Moon. |
| 20:28.28 | MoonEater | well what if you have a map divided into 4 areas and use using layouts premade at random to connect them all |
| 20:28.32 | Ahli | he addressed me |
| 20:28.37 | MoonEater | each layout has a name that you must know |
| 20:28.44 | JademusSreg | Ah, so we're triangle-jerking. |
| 20:28.49 | MoonEater | an array of exit points, with exit destination |
| 20:28.53 | MoonEater | entry points |
| 20:28.56 | MoonEater | and objects |
| 20:29.27 | MoonEater | it would be a nightmare to try to link all the outbound exits and inbound exits with array stacks |
| 20:29.34 | MoonEater | minus well shoot urself in the face |
| 20:29.47 | JademusSreg | (Clearly it's WIP code, still working out a satisfying API.) |
| 20:29.50 | Ahli | how would you link it? |
| 20:30.22 | Ahli | you would create an array of that record holding both references? |
| 20:30.55 | Ahli | I would create 2 arrays each holding one reference... same index means those values belong together |
| 20:31.02 | MoonEater | each area which is randomly generated has exit areas and destinations to other areas in the subdivided map |
| 20:31.39 | Ahli | yeah, I think I might just create a unit group and use the stair system I've created in my diablo map |
| 20:31.48 | Ahli | if it's super dynamic ^^ |
| 20:31.51 | MoonEater | but, areas could be infinate, you would ahve to have another variable keepting track of which indexes belong to which active areas |
| 20:32.19 | MoonEater | then remove and shift the array down |
| 20:32.30 | MoonEater | it become an array sorting nightmare |
| 20:32.53 | MoonEater | i make an area class |
| 20:33.00 | Ahli | well, I don't fully understand the scenario you are describing and how I would need to sort anything |
| 20:33.01 | MoonEater | and half the issues dissapear |
| 20:33.07 | MoonEater | well ok |
| 20:33.13 | MoonEater | i have a 2d sprite game im working on |
| 20:33.18 | Ahli | ok |
| 20:33.21 | MoonEater | i subdivide the map into 4 regions |
| 20:33.30 | MoonEater | so players can spread out abit |
| 20:33.34 | MoonEater | not completly but abit |
| 20:33.43 | MoonEater | i link doors to areas |
| 20:33.46 | MoonEater | and vice versa |
| 20:34.10 | MoonEater | area class has the name of the area as preset, then it has the exit regions |
| 20:34.16 | MoonEater | then it has on that array |
| 20:34.26 | MoonEater | corisponding entrance maps |
| 20:34.35 | MoonEater | and which entrance on that map it links to |
| 20:34.44 | MoonEater | then in has its own enterance locations |
| 20:34.55 | MoonEater | on a separate array that outside maps link into |
| 20:35.06 | MoonEater | these areas are generated and destroyed as needed |
| 20:35.58 | MoonEater | they are generated form a funtion that has the list of objects and regions that when generated loads an area variable |
| 20:37.25 | Ahli | so, you have 4 play fields and doors that lead the player's field to load another area? |
| 20:38.50 | Ahli | well, either way. you can just take the whole content of a record and make it multiple arrays. That works with every record. |
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| 20:39.07 | MoonEater | yes |
| 20:39.11 | MoonEater | but it makes it difficult |
| 20:39.30 | MoonEater | and trying to work your mind around new stakcs and collecitons |
| 20:39.35 | MoonEater | makes ears bleed |
| 20:40.10 | Ahli | yeah, I don't see why I would need to "work [my] mind around new stakcs and collecitons" |
| 20:41.34 | MoonEater | it was funny i thought because i cant use enter regions (cause regions are premade) i would have to make the check engine bulky |
| 20:41.43 | MoonEater | however it turned out it very efficient |
| 20:41.57 | Ahli | activate stair units? |
| 20:42.18 | Ahli | or entrance/exit units or however it should be called |
| 20:42.41 | MoonEater | the checking of units in doors |
| 20:43.03 | MoonEater | came out surpricingly efficient even though the big O is soo high |
| 20:43.16 | MoonEater | it was like |
| 20:43.27 | MoonEater | N^2^2^2 or somthing |
| 20:43.57 | MoonEater | supa laggy |
| 20:46.26 | JademusSreg | As for dynamic quests, research. L4D's Director - http://www.valvesoftware.com/publications/2009/ai_systems_of_l4d_mike_booth.pdf | Skyrim's Radiant Story & AI - http://www.gameinformer.com/games/the_elder_scrolls_v_skyrim/b/xbox360/archive/2011/01/17/the-technology-behind-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim.aspx & http://venturebeat.com/2012/01/27/bethesdas-nesmith-reflects-on-the-difficult-birth-of- |
| 20:46.26 | JademusSreg | skyrims-radiant-story-system/ |
| 20:46.49 | MoonEater | typ |
| 20:46.59 | MoonEater | ty jade |
| 20:52.12 | MoonEater | this is great |
| 20:56.18 | JademusSreg | Regarding structref and arrayref, they are restricted to parameters and non-global variables; it's similar to passing pointers in C-family languages, but with the onerous restriction preventing access to the deallocated memory of out-of-scope references. |
| 20:58.31 | MoonEater | i noticed.. |
| 20:59.19 | JademusSreg | So in the example code, Vec3Op takes Vec3 parameters and a funcref parameter; the arrays are iterated and the passed function is called to get a value for the result. When the function returns and exits scope, the result struct/structref will still retain the values set from inside the scope. |
| 21:07.25 | Zolden | G0A is there map night? |
| 21:08.28 | G0A | yes |
| 21:08.29 | kingTD | 4 people |
| 21:08.30 | G0A | probably |
| 21:08.45 | Zolden | i'll come, wait |
| 21:08.46 | G0A | I willl play 1 map then sleep |
| 21:08.55 | MoonEater | when? |
| 21:08.55 | Zolden | let's play pictionary |
| 21:08.58 | MoonEater | what server? |
| 21:09.50 | kingTD | US |
| 21:10.07 | MoonEater | link me |
| 21:12.22 | kingTD | come to game |
| 21:13.10 | kingTD | starcraft://group/1/129749 |
| 21:13.35 | Zolden | G0A we're waiting for pictionary |
| 21:13.36 | Zolden | come |
| 21:13.50 | kingTD | CUME |
| 21:14.23 | G0A | http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en Jaedong meanwhile |
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| 21:53.10 | Ahli | jaedong is good >_> |
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| 22:11.17 | kingTD | Pictionary is better |
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| 22:20.35 | Zolden | ok, now i mapmake |
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| 22:41.34 | kingTD | starcraft://map/1/198377 |
| 22:41.45 | kingTD | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/44/526/ExpRockMine.zip |
| 22:55.34 | *** part/#sc2mapster G0A (~hookah604@91-82-65-99.pool.invitel.hu) |
