| 00:00.01 | Zolden | so, what was the name of the game i'm trying to remember? |
| 00:00.15 | Zolden | it's realy fun, Kueken, no, i'm serious |
| 00:00.23 | Kueken | oh that where you werethat one guy and shot that other guy? |
| 00:00.46 | Zolden | not other guy, other guys |
| 00:00.51 | Kueken | yeah, I totally remember that |
| 00:01.13 | Zolden | it's top view, and you can tuurn left and right and other directions, and guys come to the room, and you kill them unltil they overrun you |
| 00:01.30 | Bommes | Red something? |
| 00:01.37 | Bommes | with Zombies? |
| 00:01.46 | Zolden | Bommes just tell me what game are you making |
| 00:01.47 | Kueken | its always zombies |
| 00:01.52 | Zolden | no red, no zombies |
| 00:01.58 | Zolden | jsut dudes |
| 00:02.05 | Kueken | except in germany, there its robot zombies with green blood |
| 00:02.10 | Bommes | my own one, just top down shooter for sc2 |
| 00:02.20 | Bommes | where you can also control some units and stuff |
| 00:02.42 | Zolden | what si the name of the game where what happening? |
| 00:03.08 | Bommes | no idea |
| 00:03.16 | Zolden | what is the name of the actor who was in what movie? |
| 00:03.30 | MoonEater | Zolden term unitwalking is what i think it is right? |
| 00:03.32 | Kueken | ModelAnimationStyleContinuous |
| 00:03.56 | Zolden | dunno |
| 00:04.10 | Zolden | there was different way to check if a unit is walking |
| 00:04.15 | Zolden | search on forum |
| 00:04.38 | MoonEater | well |
| 00:04.44 | MoonEater | i need to do it from actor |
| 00:04.53 | Bommes | MoonEater: What exactly do you want to do? |
| 00:05.07 | MoonEater | check if a unit is in motion from actor |
| 00:05.17 | Zolden | search damn forum |
| 00:05.18 | Kueken | you have the UnitMovementUpdate events |
| 00:05.25 | Zolden | dr super evil answered this |
| 00:05.27 | Kueken | you can set a status from there |
| 00:05.28 | MoonEater | or term |
| 00:05.33 | Zolden | he's working hard to help all you |
| 00:05.38 | Zolden | u should appreciate |
| 00:05.38 | MoonEater | im not using his system |
| 00:05.45 | MoonEater | its not as efficient as triggers |
| 00:05.50 | MoonEater | which i was hopping it was |
| 00:06.52 | Zolden | his system involves behavior, and actor feels behavior |
| 00:07.36 | Zolden | behavior has disable validator |
| 00:07.54 | MoonEater | omg |
| 00:07.55 | Zolden | validator checks something queue related about move |
| 00:07.56 | MoonEater | i hate it |
| 00:08.07 | MoonEater | i keep forgetting to not hit T in terms |
| 00:08.11 | Kueken | :D |
| 00:08.13 | Zolden | ha |
| 00:08.32 | Zolden | and i'm very paranoid there |
| 00:08.41 | Zolden | don't even mouseover |
| 00:08.45 | Bommes | I actually would like to use the TerrainPhysicsMaterialAtActor Term again at some point :/ Don't want to XML it |
| 00:09.09 | Bommes | forgetting to not hit 'T' is the smallest problem there! |
| 00:10.42 | Kueken | whats bad about XML? that doesn't crash at least |
| 00:10.56 | MoonEater | omg |
| 00:11.02 | MoonEater | i caught myself typing agian |
| 00:11.07 | MoonEater | ima go hide my keyboard |
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| 00:15.53 | MoonEater | how do i remove selection circle? (please dont say model unless theres no other way...) |
| 00:17.09 | Zandose | can someone check my trigger and tell me if anything is wrong? http://pastebin.com/sCwJ13sS |
| 00:17.10 | Ahli | unselect the unit |
| 00:17.32 | Bommes | selection circles are "Selection" type actors |
| 00:17.33 | Ahli | or edit the model in the model tab to push the circle underground |
| 00:18.04 | Bommes | not sure where they are created for the basic selection circles though |
| 00:18.25 | Zandose | data > Game UI Data > selection data |
| 00:18.28 | Zandose | try editing that |
| 00:18.58 | MoonEater | thats for all units... how do i get just specific units? |
| 00:19.09 | Zandose | oh |
| 00:21.10 | Zandose | so you want the unit to be selectable but no circle? |
| 00:21.28 | MoonEater | yes' |
| 00:33.35 | MoonEater | my unit is walking with a gimp ( |
| 00:33.37 | MoonEater | :( |
| 00:36.20 | MoonEater | I shall name him... GIMPY!!! |
| 00:36.24 | Zandose | still cant figure it out |
| 00:36.56 | MoonEater | ? |
| 00:37.00 | Zandose | you could try adding a data event to remove the selection model. |
| 00:39.26 | MoonEater | naw |
| 00:39.30 | MoonEater | sprite stuff |
| 00:39.34 | MoonEater | i fixed his gimp |
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| 00:56.07 | Deathbringer | *Brain damaged* HELP! |
| 00:56.15 | Deathbringer | So much work... |
| 00:56.29 | Deathbringer | To connect the map voting to the Time voting. |
| 00:56.44 | Deathbringer | Then adding more Timers to use the Time voting! |
| 00:56.50 | Deathbringer | My god, my head! |
| 00:56.58 | Deathbringer | Help me... |
| 00:57.29 | Deathbringer | Anyone there? |
| 00:58.53 | Deathbringer | Hello?... |
| 00:59.01 | Deathbringer | HELP |
| 00:59.35 | Triceron | Hi |
| 01:01.31 | MoonEater | IVE BEEN PINGED!!! |
| 01:01.35 | MoonEater | >.> |
| 01:01.36 | MoonEater | <.< |
| 01:01.38 | MoonEater | oh private |
| 01:01.49 | MoonEater | Stop pming me |
| 01:01.51 | MoonEater | XD |
| 01:01.55 | MoonEater | wassup? |
| 01:02.00 | MoonEater | need help with somthing |
| 01:02.12 | Deathbringer | Yeah |
| 01:02.23 | MoonEater | u know who loves being pmed, Kueken, and Zolden and somtimes Otixa |
| 01:02.26 | Deathbringer | I need to make this compare with all the numbers |
| 01:02.28 | Deathbringer | Such as |
| 01:02.29 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.35 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.50 | MoonEater | 4 number and find the map? |
| 01:03.04 | Deathbringer | Yeah |
| 01:03.10 | Deathbringer | So it add all of them together. |
| 01:03.31 | MoonEater | let me think i know this one |
| 01:03.36 | Deathbringer | Kk |
| 01:03.43 | MoonEater | 1>2 |
| 01:03.52 | MoonEater | wait wait |
| 01:03.55 | MoonEater | theres a loop |
| 01:04.06 | MoonEater | use a for loop |
| 01:04.18 | Deathbringer | Loop? |
| 01:04.22 | MoonEater | ya |
| 01:04.25 | Deathbringer | Where? |
| 01:04.29 | MoonEater | in triggers |
| 01:04.34 | MoonEater | for each interger |
| 01:04.42 | Deathbringer | You mean |
| 01:04.52 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.57 | MoonEater | no |
| 01:05.01 | MoonEater | i mean |
| 01:05.15 | MoonEater | for each int i, from 0 to 4 with incrementation 1 |
| 01:06.03 | MoonEater | and before the for loop make it assume 1 is the largest... and make the variable winner ==1 |
| 01:06.04 | MoonEater | then |
| 01:06.05 | Deathbringer | Wait, I dont get it |
| 01:06.06 | MoonEater | in the loop |
| 01:06.30 | MoonEater | Set Winner = 1 |
| 01:06.44 | MoonEater | for each int i, from 0 to 4 with incrementation 1 |
| 01:06.56 | Deathbringer | Whats int "i" |
| 01:07.04 | JademusSreg | ƵøøⱣ |
| 01:07.11 | Deathbringer | ? |
| 01:07.17 | MoonEater | if Map Votes Timer[Winner]< Map Votes Timer[i]){ set variable Winner to i} |
| 01:07.26 | MoonEater | i is arbetrary |
| 01:07.29 | MoonEater | make it |
| 01:07.36 | MoonEater | my dog has flees for all i can |
| 01:07.41 | MoonEater | its a place holder |
| 01:07.51 | Deathbringer | Ik |
| 01:08.07 | MoonEater | kk |
| 01:08.09 | MoonEater | so |
| 01:08.21 | MoonEater | u make the loop compare all of the values in a bubble sort |
| 01:08.34 | MoonEater | u could use radix i belive for efficiency but fk that |
| 01:08.34 | MoonEater | XD |
| 01:08.41 | JademusSreg | Dunno what this is even, but it seems the dark elf Souleater Moontaker has it under control. |
| 01:08.58 | MoonEater | LOLZ |
| 01:09.07 | Deathbringer | I worked on my map so much I don't understand this man. |
| 01:09.10 | MoonEater | we trying to find largest value from array |
| 01:09.12 | MoonEater | kade |
| 01:09.13 | MoonEater | jade |
| 01:09.18 | MoonEater | lol |
| 01:09.19 | MoonEater | 1 sec |
| 01:09.26 | Deathbringer | Here dude, I'll make a map with the things I added |
| 01:09.32 | Deathbringer | And you fix them |
| 01:09.34 | Deathbringer | Kk? |
| 01:09.36 | JademusSreg | Easy, it's an O(n) search. |
| 01:12.08 | JademusSreg | Two local variables, one stores the highest-value index, the other stores the highest value, iterate over the array, if someShittyArray[i] > highestValue then highestIndex = i; highestValue = someShittyArray[i]; |
| 01:12.34 | MoonEater | http://pastebin.com/hsLN7q0g |
| 01:12.35 | JademusSreg | Basically, just what Moon said above. |
| 01:12.38 | MoonEater | THERE IT IS |
| 01:12.44 | MoonEater | IM ALL ITS GLORY |
| 01:12.46 | MoonEater | 2 secs |
| 01:12.59 | MoonEater | ITS MAGNIFICENT LIKE EVERYTHING I PROGRAM |
| 01:13.14 | MoonEater | I USE NO HANDS ONLY EGO TO PROGRAM! |
| 01:13.23 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 01:13.57 | MoonEater | its true, tell me the programmer doesnt program with his ego |
| 01:14.02 | MoonEater | and ill show u a lyer! |
| 01:14.05 | MoonEater | lier* |
| 01:14.26 | JademusSreg | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lyer |
| 01:14.38 | MoonEater | [18:14] <MoonEater> lier* |
| 01:14.43 | JademusSreg | "Old French lier" |
| 01:14.43 | MoonEater | *=correction |
| 01:15.05 | JademusSreg | So that definition covers both of your misspellings. |
| 01:15.12 | MoonEater | bleh |
| 01:15.26 | JademusSreg | Pretty badass coincidence. |
| 01:15.26 | MoonEater | my ego can program epically |
| 01:15.29 | MoonEater | cant spell well |
| 01:42.28 | MoonEater | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibtN8rY7V5k |
| 01:42.30 | MoonEater | JADE |
| 01:42.36 | MoonEater | LEARN YOUR RADIX SORT |
| 01:42.39 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 01:43.15 | MoonEater | LEARN IT! |
| 01:46.21 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 01:46.24 | MoonEater | jade? |
| 01:51.46 | MoonEater | were is everyone |
| 01:51.48 | MoonEater | im lonly |
| 01:52.07 | JademusSreg | That much is apparent. |
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| 01:58.24 | MoonEater | so u learn your radix sort? |
| 01:58.30 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 02:00.35 | MoonEater | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibtN8rY7V5k |
| 02:01.02 | Deathbringer | Okay so lets hack the IPs. |
| 02:03.20 | JademusSreg | So the video is probably CSI or some other technically incompetent show, yeah? |
| 02:04.30 | Kueken | Deathbringer: my client doesn't notify me on PMs |
| 02:04.36 | Kueken | highlight me instead |
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| 02:04.54 | Kueken | (no idea why he doesn't, btw, seems stupid) |
| 02:06.09 | JademusSreg | The irc client or person? |
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| 02:07.44 | ArcanePariah_ | Random game discussion question: Why do players, after investing large amounts of time or other resources into a game, feel that that such contribution permits them direct input into a games development, sometimes to the extreme that they feel they can dictate design decisions? |
| 02:08.40 | JademusSreg | Idiocy. |
| 02:09.04 | Deathbringer | <Pissed of Guy> Why do you ask anyways? |
| 02:09.23 | ArcanePariah_ | Ahaha, always can count on Jade to provide a accurate and succient answer :D |
| 02:09.55 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:10.06 | Deathbringer | Doubt it. Whats 2 + 2 Jade? |
| 02:10.28 | JademusSreg | Depends on the number base. |
| 02:10.37 | Deathbringer | 2 + 2 = ? |
| 02:10.58 | Deathbringer | ? |
| 02:10.58 | JademusSreg | An addition operation between two integers. |
| 02:11.09 | Kueken | true |
| 02:11.13 | ArcanePariah_ | I'm just curious to hear people's opinions, having witnessed such interactions myself and not quite understand the mentaility behind it. More importantly, I don't quite undersatnd the mentality, especially the hostility that follows when said players sugguestions/directions are ignored |
| 02:11.16 | Deathbringer | I mean whats the answer... |
| 02:11.17 | Kueken | in 3 base 2+2 would be 11 |
| 02:11.24 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:11.43 | Deathbringer | Yeah, trigger work is fucking my brain. I'm sooo tired, trigger work.. |
| 02:13.19 | ArcanePariah_ | Also, I have seen this similar mentality exhibited by mapmakers towards Blizzard, that the fact we use the tool they provide at no additional cost and explicitly do not support directly, somehow gives us the right to dictate how Blizzard handles things? |
| 02:13.21 | Kueken | ArcanePariah_ There are soo many people with so many mentalities, I have given up in understanding them |
| 02:13.41 | ArcanePariah_ | Kueken: True |
| 02:13.55 | Kueken | I mean, what gives you the right to now rant about said mentalities? |
| 02:14.23 | Kueken | and me to even comment on that? |
| 02:14.31 | ArcanePariah_ | I'm not, I don't particualrly care about the mentalitity, I'm trying to understand the logic/reasoning behind them |
| 02:14.53 | Kueken | knows that |
| 02:15.17 | Kueken | I am trying to not make a point here. |
| 02:15.19 | JademusSreg | Arc, I would assume the motivations of others are as apparent as one's understanding of one's own motivations. |
| 02:15.41 | Kueken | also lets not forget |
| 02:15.43 | Kueken | penis |
| 02:15.48 | ArcanePariah_ | lol |
| 02:16.17 | halides | i was about to write something DEEP and then i just lol'd |
| 02:16.25 | Kueken | (pretty sure how my last words will look like, if I keep this up :D) |
| 02:16.25 | halides | thanks Kueken |
| 02:16.54 | Kueken | no problem, anytime |
| 02:17.07 | halides | glad we're here |
| 02:17.28 | ArcanePariah_ | So much lolz here to be had |
| 02:17.39 | JademusSreg | Personally, I deal with criticism, suggestions, and hostility by being amused and responding with politely-toned scathing litanies of humiliation. |
| 02:18.14 | halides | dude, if you get HOSTILITY here i hope we're in a paraller dimension |
| 02:18.26 | Deathbringer | Talk with normal works, I'm getting headaches from big words now after trying to figure out how a functions works in sc2 editor. |
| 02:18.29 | Deathbringer | words* |
| 02:18.32 | halides | personally, what i have seen JademusSreg is tis channel |
| 02:18.58 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:19.05 | ArcanePariah_ | On a less serious note, any editor questions by anyone? |
| 02:19.14 | halides | :-D |
| 02:19.27 | Deathbringer | WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE SO HARD TO COUNT UP TWO SUPID THINGS |
| 02:19.32 | ArcanePariah_ | I have fun figuring shit out, more intersesting then normal mapmaking for me |
| 02:19.39 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.47 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.53 | Deathbringer | Like are you fucking serious! |
| 02:19.56 | ArcanePariah_ | ... |
| 02:20.10 | Deathbringer | You have to add a headache long function to solve this damn thing!? |
| 02:20.10 | ArcanePariah_ | Umm, if thats the code, then the first line has no meanining |
| 02:20.38 | Deathbringer | It has to add up all 4 of them. |
| 02:20.45 | Deathbringer | And see which one has the most |
| 02:20.48 | JademusSreg | Yeah, no one here is hostile. That tends to be reserved for forum PMs or bnet messages. |
| 02:21.31 | ArcanePariah_ | Well, the 2nd line is setting the variable again, so it overwrites anything line 1 does |
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| 02:21.54 | Deathbringer | Well what is a simple way of adding them both? |
| 02:21.58 | Triceron | karate chops Otixa in the throat |
| 02:22.11 | Deathbringer | Adding all 4 |
| 02:22.17 | ArcanePariah_ | Well, describe what are you trying to do |
| 02:22.55 | Deathbringer | It has to count all votes from all 4 |
| 02:23.02 | ArcanePariah_ | calls 911, we have a crazy ninja in here |
| 02:23.08 | Deathbringer | Thats what I need to do |
| 02:23.16 | Deathbringer | I already know the rest. |
| 02:23.18 | ArcanePariah_ | all 4 what? |
| 02:23.43 | Deathbringer | 1 - Map1 Votes |
| 02:23.46 | Deathbringer | 2 - Map2 Votes |
| 02:23.51 | Deathbringer | 3- Map3 Votes |
| 02:23.56 | Deathbringer | 4 - Map4 Votes |
| 02:24.01 | Deathbringer | Add all up |
| 02:24.55 | Deathbringer | What simple way is to do that? |
| 02:25.59 | ArcanePariah_ | Ok..... Pick Each Integer from 1 to 4 { Modifiy Max Map Votes +: Map Votes Timer[Picked Integer] |
| 02:26.49 | halides | is this for realtime multiplayer or for long term statistics? |
| 02:27.09 | Deathbringer | This is for Starcraft 2 Map Editors |
| 02:27.13 | Deathbringer | Not playing a game |
| 02:27.18 | halides | ah, THAT |
| 02:27.49 | Deathbringer | Is that an action, variable or? |
| 02:28.04 | halides | well, as far as i see it, you truly bring Death to this question |
| 02:28.13 | halides | sorry if i am rude |
| 02:28.53 | Deathbringer | Why should I bother trying to assult you. |
| 02:28.58 | ArcanePariah_ | Deathbringer: If I'm understanding the question, you want add up all the values in an array |
| 02:30.01 | ArcanePariah_ | In which case, you create a for loop (Pick Each Integer, it is an action), and add the array contents to a variable, the array index will use the function Picked Integer |
| 02:30.51 | Deathbringer | Yeah, I wont understand it with text... |
| 02:30.56 | Deathbringer | You need to show me |
| 02:31.17 | Deathbringer | My head hurts which makes it worse for me to try to put what you say together. |
| 02:31.47 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/zyedy |
| 02:32.14 | ArcanePariah_ | Sadly I am not at home and thus do not have access to the editor to create an example for you |
| 02:32.25 | ArcanePariah_ | Jade, are you ever going to simplify that list? |
| 02:32.27 | halides | such pretty, jade |
| 02:32.52 | Deathbringer | How do you highlight someone |
| 02:33.02 | JademusSreg | Arc, thought I did, haha. |
| 02:33.21 | Deathbringer | ? |
| 02:33.27 | Deathbringer | How do I highlight someone? |
| 02:33.49 | Deathbringer | Kueken hi |
| 02:33.56 | Deathbringer | Kueken: Hi |
| 02:34.00 | Deathbringer | How? |
| 02:34.03 | Kueken | yup, that works |
| 02:34.04 | JademusSreg | Working on the fixed logic binary ops currently, since I made some cute little vector code that should make use of it. |
| 02:34.09 | Deathbringer | Kueken! |
| 02:34.19 | Deathbringer | Fucking help me, I'm dying of trigger work. |
| 02:34.37 | Deathbringer | And the only way I could understand this damn thing is sharing screens so I may see how these things work. |
| 02:34.49 | JademusSreg | Something like this example: https://pastee.org/reqxw |
| 02:35.10 | Kueken | alright, what is the problem exactly? |
| 02:35.17 | Kueken | you have some kind of voting system |
| 02:35.21 | Kueken | how does it work? |
| 02:35.53 | Deathbringer | I need someone to share screens with me and show me step by step so I can learn how to make all 4 things add up... |
| 02:36.11 | Deathbringer | I'll explain more but the main question is, can you share screens with me? |
| 02:36.24 | Kueken | you just need to stop annoying people and start explaining your problem properly |
| 02:37.02 | Deathbringer | I was, but I had to ask help so many times and if they type it out, I dont understand it. |
| 02:37.16 | JademusSreg | That provides a not-completely-terrible generic way of operating on vectors with the script. Just need to finish some code for converting the bits of an int to fixed and inverse, since many binary (an unary) operators don't work on fixed type. |
| 02:37.17 | Deathbringer | And gets me a headache. |
| 02:38.20 | Kueken | well, I don't have a clue how your voting system is supposed to work |
| 02:38.32 | ArcanePariah_ | Jade are you trying to create a template for overloaded operators? |
| 02:38.52 | JademusSreg | Naw, but that's not the worst idea I've heard today. =D |
| 02:39.00 | Deathbringer | [19:23] <Deathbringer> 1 - Map1 Votes [19:23] <Deathbringer> 2 - Map2 Votes [19:23] <Deathbringer> 3- Map3 Votes [19:23] <Deathbringer> 4 - Map4 Votes [19:23] <Deathbringer> Add all up |
| 02:39.01 | halides | isn't that shader magics? |
| 02:39.12 | Deathbringer | I cant even explain it... |
| 02:39.14 | ArcanePariah_ | Otherwise I do not understand using what you have over using the preset values? |
| 02:39.22 | Deathbringer | I gtg rest, I'm in a headache... |
| 02:39.24 | halides | i mean routines not returning a thing :-p |
| 02:39.36 | halides | you rarely see that nowadays |
| 02:39.37 | Kueken | :) |
| 02:39.59 | Kueken | explaining a problem... apparently the hardest thing in the world |
| 02:40.02 | JademusSreg | Nope, no shader code today; today I'm scripting some helpful utility functions for shitty galaxy script. |
| 02:40.15 | halides | :-F |
| 02:40.31 | halides | sounds like me and linux |
| 02:40.45 | ArcanePariah_ | Oh, galaxy provides no native library for many of the binary operations? Just the base boolean ones (OR AND NOT)? |
| 02:40.53 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 02:40.54 | halides | "today we'll try to pave the way to be a bit smoother for some other guy" |
| 02:41.11 | ArcanePariah_ | Thats programming in a nutshell |
| 02:41.51 | ArcanePariah_ | I wish more people read Mythical Man Month... |
| 02:41.55 | halides | hehe |
| 02:42.15 | halides | i restarted it a few months back for the second time |
| 02:42.28 | halides | but, err, ground to a halt |
| 02:42.42 | Kueken | oh god, only serious programmers in the channel? |
| 02:42.47 | halides | haha |
| 02:42.54 | Kueken | feels very little for some reason |
| 02:42.59 | halides | when you get paid shit is serious, eh? |
| 02:43.13 | halides | i missed a comma there |
| 02:43.15 | halides | :-p |
| 02:43.17 | ArcanePariah_ | lol no, but people reading that would make them better understand why programming is hard and not be so unrealistic in expectations |
| 02:43.19 | Kueken | nah, then it got "professional" |
| 02:43.39 | ArcanePariah_ | Because for most, coding might as well be a magic ritual |
| 02:43.51 | halides | i am both sad and happy to inform i have received monies from programming for 10+ years :-( |
| 02:44.13 | Kueken | any coding sophisticated enough is indistinguishable from magic |
| 02:44.16 | halides | and is what i do to keep the roof over my head and the kids fed |
| 02:44.20 | ArcanePariah_ | shrugs |
| 02:45.25 | ArcanePariah_ | Kueken: maybe, though coding does have rules, the problem is coding enforces no rules, unlike any other kind of engineering |
| 02:45.36 | Kueken | anyway, I coded a lot of Lua recently, and its just so much more user-friendly than galaxy |
| 02:46.02 | Kueken | and I don't even know the more complex stuff |
| 02:46.06 | halides | ArcanePariah_: i partly agree, i see coding as an act of building a house but with one problem: you never see the fucking house |
| 02:46.17 | ArcanePariah_ | Well yeah, galaxy is written for one game engine only and has other concerns |
| 02:46.42 | Kueken | and the editor is obviously designed to discourage people from using it -.- |
| 02:46.49 | halides | so all of it is just imagination, but a lot of people are willing to share on this consentual hallucination, and i actually get paid for thinking this shit up |
| 02:46.50 | Kueken | all hail gui |
| 02:47.01 | ArcanePariah_ | halides: Yes, in mythical man month, that is 1 of 4 fundamental difficulties of programming, code is purely thought stuff |
| 02:47.08 | ArcanePariah_ | no physicality at all |
| 02:47.10 | halides | yeah |
| 02:47.25 | halides | and it's wonderful |
| 02:47.31 | ArcanePariah_ | at best you can describe it with some math/lambda calculus |
| 02:47.50 | halides | this shit started 2000 years ago, was formalized 200 years ago and what happened 20 years ago? |
| 02:47.58 | halides | shieeeeeeet |
| 02:48.04 | halides | things got so out of hand |
| 02:48.27 | halides | we accidentally a revolution not to turn the world into a war |
| 02:48.29 | halides | wtf? |
| 02:48.40 | ArcanePariah_ | Kueken: the primary reason the editor is hard is because it was made by software developer for software developers, which means if you are a CS/Software dev, the editor is very straightforward for the most part, if you are not, its nasty as hell |
| 02:49.17 | ArcanePariah_ | I'll be honest, when I started with the editor 10 months ago, the data editor made a heck of lot of sense to me |
| 02:49.23 | halides | a lot of times my wife asks me "why do you stare into a monitor 18 hours a day?" |
| 02:49.25 | Kueken | not talking about the editor being hard in general |
| 02:49.38 | Kueken | just about the support to code in plain galaxy script |
| 02:49.45 | halides | and all i can respond is "would be better if i was a soldier?" |
| 02:50.28 | halides | i'm happy i can provide for my family |
| 02:50.34 | halides | that is all |
| 02:50.38 | halides | :-) |
| 02:50.40 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:50.51 | ArcanePariah_ | Kueken: true, I think Blizzard assumed that if you could code in raw code, you would be fine on your own, and didn't give much help, plus sc2 editor is so much more geared towards the data editor |
| 02:51.38 | ArcanePariah_ | Reminds me of a pic someone posted that went something like this: WC3 editor: Sucks, too few options SC2 Editors: Sucks, too many options |
| 02:51.52 | Kueken | data is awesome. Some things might be a little complicated and I wonder why they would be done that way, but in general its highly logical and modular. I like it |
| 02:51.55 | JademusSreg | One can always tell how developers use their tools because the other options will be slower and buggier. |
| 02:52.37 | ArcanePariah_ | JademusSreg: Yes, experience and more improtantly, the use of tools flows from the mindset imo |
| 02:52.51 | ArcanePariah_ | Hence I favor mostly data solutions if possible |
| 02:52.54 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 02:54.07 | ArcanePariah_ | Also, triggers fundamentally is harder imo because it is multi threaded, and doing that properly is VERY hard, and most people don't have the first clue about race condtions and using critcal sections/locks |
| 02:54.26 | ArcanePariah_ | (Which Galaxy supports, but I bet plenty never use them) |
| 02:54.53 | Ahli | is there really a race condition in sc2's triggers? |
| 02:55.04 | ArcanePariah_ | That's one of those things that screams "CS guy wrote/designed the editor", since Critcal sections is a 2nd year CS topic |
| 02:55.06 | Ahli | I find the execution to be very very deterministic in its order |
| 02:55.13 | JademusSreg | Coincidentally, one of the modes in the new Photon Cycles is named Hazard Circuit. |
| 02:56.45 | ArcanePariah_ | Ahli: Yes, but I think that stems more from the fact that people (including Blizzard) are very very very cautious in use of actual triggers/events. Most end up creating actions or use run triggers and more importantly, avoid using global variables when possible |
| 02:57.38 | Ahli | triggers are executed in the order they appear in the trigger list. Old threads are executed before new threads... |
| 02:57.43 | Kueken | (04:54:09) ArcanePariah_: Also, triggers fundamentally is harder imo because it is multi threaded, and doing that properly is VERY hard |
| 02:57.56 | Kueken | they are not really multi-threaded |
| 02:58.07 | MoonEater | thats oddd. |
| 02:58.30 | Kueken | the engine never runs multiple threads simultaneously |
| 02:59.24 | ArcanePariah_ | Correct, it does not do true multi process, it can't, but it certaily is multi threaded, threads run in paralell, and the engine loops through them, just like an OS with a single processor. Just becasue trigger A is running does NOT stop trigger B from running as well |
| 02:59.34 | Kueken | it always finishes one thread unless interrupted by a wait (or something else, not sure what can interrupt a thread besides wait - in WC3 events from other triggers could interrupt if the current thread triggered them) |
| 03:00.13 | ArcanePariah_ | Well... race conditions are certainly possible, I used to have one in my map. |
| 03:00.26 | Ahli | I've never seen one :S |
| 03:01.07 | ArcanePariah_ | I had a trigger that kept track of the number of a certain unit that was alive, and when one was killed, it displayed how many were left alive. If 2 were killed in very short order, it would show a duplicate number alive (it would show 3 and 3, not 4 then 3) |
| 03:01.19 | Ahli | and my triggers already require race conditions to not occur at all (-> triggers need to be started in a certain order for my monster AI) |
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| 03:02.17 | ArcanePariah_ | Well, yes, there are many many places where you can enforce limitations to prevent race condtions, the run trigger action specficies how it behaves in realtion to wait or not wait |
| 03:02.19 | Deathbringer | Kueken: My headache is gone. |
| 03:02.21 | Ahli | did you save the units in a unit group? |
| 03:02.32 | ArcanePariah_ | No, they are in an array |
| 03:02.48 | Kueken | great |
| 03:02.53 | Deathbringer | Kueken You there? |
| 03:03.05 | ArcanePariah_ | Now yes, I could redo it with a unit group and avoid the issue entirely probably |
| 03:03.16 | Kueken | you got to work on your patience o_0 |
| 03:03.30 | ArcanePariah_ | But still, Blizzard knew race conditions were possible, hence the critcal section action |
| 03:03.31 | Kueken | not everyone responds within 5 seconds |
| 03:03.41 | Ahli | reminded me of a problem with invnetory items which still existed in the freshly returned inventory unit groups |
| 03:03.43 | Deathbringer | Okay man, so what I need to do is |
| 03:03.56 | Ahli | after those items were removed |
| 03:03.58 | Deathbringer | Dude I'll whisper you |
| 03:04.54 | JademusSreg | Sounds erotic. |
| 03:05.03 | ArcanePariah_ | For instance, if I created a trigger that increments a variable every 1 game second, and another that displays that varaible value every 1 game second, without critcal sections, I would not be able to predict what will be displayed |
| 03:05.36 | ArcanePariah_ | Since I have no idea how the engine will choose which trigger goes first |
| 03:05.59 | Kueken | blinks to Jade suggestively |
| 03:06.24 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:06.46 | ArcanePariah_ | For the most part, race condtions do not come up since almost no one accesses a value from 2 triggers that can run at the same time |
| 03:07.07 | ArcanePariah_ | Or at least I would assume people don't do that much |
| 03:09.03 | ArcanePariah_ | JademusSreg: Given my example above, is there any order on how the engine chooses which periodic triggers to execute first if multiple are executing at the same time? |
| 03:09.12 | ArcanePariah_ | or does it choose at random? |
| 03:09.34 | JademusSreg | It would work as Kueken described. |
| 03:10.17 | JademusSreg | *Ahli and Kueken |
| 03:10.20 | ArcanePariah_ | Well since 2 threads are starting at the same time... which one goes first? |
| 03:10.56 | ArcanePariah_ | Assume no threads are currently running, and 2 threads try to execute at same time |
| 03:10.57 | Ahli | I assume it has an internal thread list and the first one added is executed first |
| 03:11.08 | JademusSreg | [22:57:36] <Ahli> triggers are executed in the order they appear in the trigger list. Old threads are executed before new threads... |
| 03:11.22 | Kueken | ArcanePariah_ 2 threads cannot start at the same time |
| 03:11.34 | Kueken | its as simple as that |
| 03:11.40 | Ahli | well, they can both appear in the same trigger cycle |
| 03:11.42 | Ahli | 2 instances |
| 03:11.50 | ArcanePariah_ | Correct, they can not, its not multiprocessor aware |
| 03:12.20 | Ahli | I assume the order of execution of the data logic will define which starts first |
| 03:12.38 | Ahli | just like the newer high templar will always feedback the older high templar |
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| 03:12.53 | JademusSreg | Yar, it's a trigger queue, true to form. |
| 03:14.39 | Ahli | I assume they have no multiplrocessor usage to ensure that the game won't desync in multiplayer... |
| 03:15.12 | ArcanePariah_ | I guess I'm not phrasing the question correctly. If I have 2 triggers that trigger off the same thing (say 2 triggers for Unit Dies, call them A and B), is there a deterministic way of saying which trigger will begin execution first (A or B). So say both triggers simply output a debug message, what order will that message appear? |
| 03:15.19 | Ahli | but your unit group phenomeon is odd. I would like to see a map that shows it to try to understand what is happening |
| 03:15.25 | MoonEater | god damn theres so many events |
| 03:15.29 | MoonEater | for this action |
| 03:15.42 | Ahli | the top trigger in the trigger list is executed first |
| 03:15.54 | Ahli | *your code |
| 03:16.04 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 03:16.23 | ArcanePariah_ | So the order of the function/trigger definitions determines the priority of execution? |
| 03:16.33 | JademusSreg | always puts Input at the top of the queue. |
| 03:16.34 | Ahli | yes |
| 03:16.49 | MoonEater | uh |
| 03:17.07 | MoonEater | thats only true if the triggers r exucuted at the same time |
| 03:17.10 | MoonEater | which most arnt |
| 03:17.15 | MoonEater | except maybe map int |
| 03:17.18 | JademusSreg | Oh void. |
| 03:17.29 | ArcanePariah_ | Ok... where do libraries fall in that order? Does a event defined in a library/dependency execute over local code? |
| 03:18.04 | ArcanePariah_ | MoonEater: Yes, that is what I'm examing, how does sc2 engine handle thread requests, since as a single process program, it can only execute a single thread |
| 03:18.13 | Ahli | they might be executed before the map's ones. I never had to know that :D |
| 03:19.23 | ArcanePariah_ | So if I created Triggers A B C (defined in that order), each runs at map intialization, and outputs the trigger name, I would see A B C |
| 03:19.38 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 03:19.43 | MoonEater | well no, it can exucute more than one its the processor that cant i suspect it divides cycles between threads |
| 03:20.12 | ArcanePariah_ | Yes, it uses a process scheduler |
| 03:20.13 | JademusSreg | Moon, this is outside your purview. =D |
| 03:20.16 | ArcanePariah_ | of its own |
| 03:21.27 | JademusSreg | I'm curious if trigger threads started before map init (from the main thread) take priority over the map init event. |
| 03:21.45 | Zandose | could someone check my trigger. it isnt working correctly and wonder if someone else can see a mistake i cant. http://pastebin.com/sCwJ13sS |
| 03:22.34 | ArcanePariah_ | Well... that's news to me, the map init trigger runs before the load screen ends, at least from my experience. I thought map int events were spawned directly from the main thread after all other loading was completed |
| 03:23.32 | ArcanePariah_ | I thought it was basically: Preload Assets -> Map Init events -> Begin game execution (mission time 0) |
| 03:24.30 | JademusSreg | Nope. It's an actual event. The main thread handles all the shit before the map init event, including of course registering the triggers for their events. |
| 03:24.55 | MoonEater | so why do we care about what runs what first? |
| 03:25.02 | MoonEater | just the conquest of understanding? |
| 03:25.18 | ArcanePariah_ | MoonEater: Just a minor background thing, do you know what a race condition is? |
| 03:25.56 | MoonEater | i know of conditions that check race if that what you mean |
| 03:26.23 | ArcanePariah_ | Ok, no, let me write a simple piece of code to show what a race condtion is |
| 03:26.32 | Kueken | Zandose: I don't have the slightest idea what the trigger does, how should I notice anything wrong with it? |
| 03:26.43 | Zandose | good point |
| 03:27.07 | MoonEater | its doring some rotation stuff |
| 03:27.13 | MoonEater | how is it not working zandose |
| 03:28.04 | Zandose | its basically moving a actors rotation from its current position to the "MoveTo" position. |
| 03:28.19 | MoonEater | you mean rotating? |
| 03:28.29 | Zandose | yes, sorry. |
| 03:28.37 | MoonEater | theres actions for that already? |
| 03:28.57 | ArcanePariah_ | MoonEater: https://pastee.org/qpahe |
| 03:29.10 | ArcanePariah_ | If function a and b run at the same time, what will be the final value of c? |
| 03:29.23 | ArcanePariah_ | final value of b* |
| 03:30.15 | ArcanePariah_ | The answer being: you can't, because it is a race condition, it dpends which functions lines are executed, since both are running at the same tiem |
| 03:30.16 | MoonEater | well |
| 03:30.35 | ArcanePariah_ | You have no way to telling which lines get executed in which order |
| 03:30.41 | MoonEater | a good scripter would realize that the code could run simultaniously with unintended results |
| 03:31.02 | ArcanePariah_ | Correct, hence why we care which one goes first, and why tools exisit to enforce which one goes force |
| 03:31.04 | ArcanePariah_ | first* |
| 03:31.34 | MoonEater | or you add contiditions for simulatanious events |
| 03:31.34 | ArcanePariah_ | Hence the action in the GUI editor called Critcal Section |
| 03:32.04 | Ahli | I would need to put nearly all of my code for my diablo map in critical sections |
| 03:32.25 | ArcanePariah_ | Yes, you can, but critical sections are the more direct tool for that, critcal sections "lock" the variables inside them, and force other code to wait until unlocked to aceess/modify the variable |
| 03:33.19 | ArcanePariah_ | Mind you, such tools are necessary but dangerous, the can cause their own problems, mainly they can cause complete code lockup, (Deadlock, Livelock, etc.) |
| 03:34.16 | ArcanePariah_ | Well Ahli, probably not, it is only necessary if you accesing the same variable from many places at once |
| 03:34.32 | MoonEater | right sounds like an issue that you should wait to happen if ever |
| 03:34.49 | Ahli | if my hero is attacked by 2 monsters in the same game loop, that would matter |
| 03:34.54 | MoonEater | since ur in the mood to learn... learn somthing more usefull like radix sort http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibtN8rY7V5k |
| 03:35.38 | ArcanePariah_ | MoonEater: Already have lol, though I going to guess that is a troll link :P. Radix sort is one of many sorts, along with merge/shell/quick/insertion... |
| 03:36.07 | Ahli | but actually the game would desync, if it had race conditions, wouldn't it? |
| 03:36.30 | Ahli | because it could create 2 marines on computer A, but only one on computer B |
| 03:37.17 | MoonEater | ArcanePariah_ not a troll |
| 03:37.24 | MoonEater | its interesting visual example |
| 03:37.36 | MoonEater | tomorrow ill do polka folk dance bubble sorts |
| 03:37.52 | ArcanePariah_ | Ahli: yeah, I can see that, though that is the primary advantage of the data editor, as it can not have race condtions, and no, it would just mean you could get inconsistent results from what you expect. For instance if you had a trigger that responded to a unit being damaged, and doing that damage back to the attacker as a flat amount, and anoter reducing the damge done to the unit, what damge is refrlected would be unpre |
| 03:38.02 | JademusSreg | Moon, how about bogus sort? |
| 03:38.31 | ArcanePariah_ | Ok, bad example, but yeah, race conditions just means inconsistent results, it means if given the same events, the outcome will change with each run |
| 03:38.50 | MoonEater | no |
| 03:38.54 | ArcanePariah_ | It will not cause crashes, just odd behavior that will seemingly be difficult to debug |
| 03:38.58 | MoonEater | it will always sort to lowest to highest |
| 03:39.05 | ArcanePariah_ | since it will not occur on every game run |
| 03:39.24 | MoonEater | oh wait |
| 03:39.28 | MoonEater | what r we talking about |
| 03:39.30 | MoonEater | not radix? |
| 03:39.37 | ArcanePariah_ | Race conditions still |
| 03:39.41 | MoonEater | ah |
| 03:40.11 | ArcanePariah_ | Now, it is possible the source of game desyncs that cause player drops from a game are from a race condition, but not likely |
| 03:40.28 | ArcanePariah_ | But I do not know, I'm not a coder for B.net |
| 03:40.30 | ArcanePariah_ | :P |
| 03:40.31 | JademusSreg | Not from the galaxy vm, that much is certain. |
| 03:40.32 | MoonEater | some games dont desync |
| 03:40.48 | Ahli | I still don't think that trigger threads are real threads... |
| 03:40.50 | MoonEater | my maps dont desync ever (excep on rare occasion) |
| 03:41.00 | MoonEater | LOZL |
| 03:41.23 | MoonEater | i would like to see a map like the thing and try to test it by disabling things one at a time |
| 03:41.48 | Ahli | I would assume the whole game state calculations run in one thread. hence sc2 requires one strong core. |
| 03:41.55 | ArcanePariah_ | Threads are simply a concept. Since a processor can only do one operation/thread at atime, and you many things running at once, it simply rotates among them, giving them time slices of the processor |
| 03:42.05 | ArcanePariah_ | From the OS point of view, you are correct |
| 03:43.00 | ArcanePariah_ | However, since the concept of threads is an abstraction, it can be applied over and over. Remember that SC2 runs a VM, and thus has much of basic functionality of a OS, just works with virtual resources instead of physical ones |
| 03:43.08 | MoonEater | well 6 cores i herd are different from my prof. somthing about 2 dedicated cores for os or somthing |
| 03:43.56 | ArcanePariah_ | Multiple cores gives you more physical resources, but then it becomes a vastly more complicated affair since the memory model with multiple caches gets complex as hell |
| 03:44.49 | ArcanePariah_ | Since the caches of each processor will not have the same data, so you have to manage where you get data from, and which cache is accurate data, and which one is stale/bad |
| 03:45.16 | ArcanePariah_ | wonders why he took paralell processing as an elective... |
| 03:45.47 | MoonEater | mines bigger |
| 03:45.52 | Ahli | cause it's the future :) |
| 03:46.05 | ArcanePariah_ | Yeah... sort of, Amdahls law is a pita |
| 03:46.10 | Ahli | because single cores have heat problems ^^ |
| 03:46.18 | ArcanePariah_ | Many many programs can not use multiple cores |
| 03:46.47 | ArcanePariah_ | And for problems that truly can use multiple cores, they just code to a GPU, its far better then a CPU |
| 03:47.22 | ArcanePariah_ | Since a GPU already has upwards 3k cores |
| 03:47.28 | ArcanePariah_ | at they ultra high end |
| 03:47.31 | ArcanePariah_ | the* |
| 03:47.57 | ArcanePariah_ | And somehow we started with mapmaking questions... |
| 03:48.22 | Ahli | do you still have the map with your phenomeon? |
| 03:48.58 | ArcanePariah_ | Yes, I only have one map :D, When I get home I can shove the trigger into a test map and send you it |
| 03:49.33 | Ahli | cool. because that isn't fitting into the model of sc2's workings in my head |
| 03:49.40 | ArcanePariah_ | I work only on Night of the Dead, have little time for anything else, since so damm complex |
| 03:49.54 | MoonEater | Ever since working with these sprites windows magnifyer has been my friend |
| 03:50.17 | ArcanePariah_ | Still cleaning things up and adding things/features, just finished grouping/adding hotkeys for untis to the hotkey section |
| 03:51.04 | ArcanePariah_ | Still think I have a long way to go in terms of code reduction, still 42k lines of code currently.... |
| 04:03.37 | Deathbringer | GUYS |
| 04:03.45 | Deathbringer | Arcane and Mooneater are you there? |
| 04:03.51 | MoonEater | ? |
| 04:04.09 | Deathbringer | I need your guyes help to understand what I'm trying to do, for which Kueken does not understand. |
| 04:04.12 | Deathbringer | I'm trying to make |
| 04:04.29 | Deathbringer | Max Voted Maps 2 = (Max(Map Votes Timer[1], Map Votes Timer[2])) <Integer> (Max(Map Votes Timer[3], Map Votes Timer[4]]<Integer> |
| 04:04.32 | Deathbringer | This happen |
| 04:04.37 | Deathbringer | I need the both maxes |
| 04:04.40 | Deathbringer | Combined into 1 |
| 04:04.44 | Deathbringer | So my actions will work |
| 04:04.56 | Deathbringer | If you understand what I'm trying to do? |
| 04:05.12 | Kueken | :P |
| 04:05.20 | MoonEater | YES! |
| 04:05.38 | MoonEater | wait |
| 04:05.48 | MoonEater | Death, u want to know which one has more votes? right? |
| 04:05.48 | Deathbringer | Do you? |
| 04:05.53 | Deathbringer | Yes |
| 04:06.01 | MoonEater | use the function i gave u |
| 04:06.07 | MoonEater | it will say which index has the most |
| 04:06.23 | Deathbringer | But if you give me a different thing like your function I have to undo everything I did to make that happen and I still dont understand how the function works. |
| 04:06.25 | Kueken | ...which is probably a carbon copy of what I cave him :D |
| 04:06.30 | Kueken | *gave |
| 04:06.34 | MoonEater | no |
| 04:06.42 | MoonEater | first |
| 04:06.53 | MoonEater | you make a variable |
| 04:07.04 | MoonEater | then u set the variable using my funtion |
| 04:07.17 | MoonEater | that veriable is the index which has the most votes |
| 04:07.17 | Kueken | anyway, I am going to sleep |
| 04:07.20 | Kueken | bye |
| 04:07.23 | Deathbringer | I'm going to use Kueken function |
| 04:07.27 | Deathbringer | Its easier to understand |
| 04:07.35 | MoonEater | omg |
| 04:07.41 | Deathbringer | He gave me this |
| 04:07.41 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.44 | MoonEater | did u see the documentation on the fuction i game u |
| 04:07.46 | MoonEater | omG!!! |
| 04:07.50 | Deathbringer | Yeah I did |
| 04:07.51 | MoonEater | USE PASTEBIN.COM |
| 04:07.54 | Deathbringer | But I dont understand it! |
| 04:07.56 | MoonEater | stop blowing up channelz |
| 04:08.11 | MoonEater | slamms head into deak |
| 04:08.16 | MoonEater | desk* |
| 04:08.25 | Deathbringer | Okay could you plug in what you told me into the trigger I put in |
| 04:08.33 | Ahli | just make a loop and compare them ? :X |
| 04:08.34 | Dustin | Dont use pastebinn, use http://peeeq.de/gui.php?game=sc2 |
| 04:08.34 | Deathbringer | If you can do so, so I can understand what your saying! |
| 04:08.53 | MoonEater | Ahli trying to tell him that |
| 04:08.55 | Deathbringer | Cause I dont understand what your saying! |
| 04:09.01 | MoonEater | ok |
| 04:09.02 | MoonEater | on the map |
| 04:09.04 | MoonEater | i sent back |
| 04:09.10 | Deathbringer | Yes? |
| 04:09.16 | MoonEater | u see the variable i edited which was the wrong trigger? |
| 04:09.36 | MoonEater | one of the variables is not how u left it |
| 04:10.08 | Deathbringer | Yeah I see it |
| 04:10.13 | MoonEater | good |
| 04:10.19 | MoonEater | move that variable to the correct trigger |
| 04:10.24 | MoonEater | if the variable is 1 |
| 04:10.39 | MoonEater | Map Votes Timer[1] has the most votes |
| 04:10.40 | MoonEater | if 2 |
| 04:10.47 | MoonEater | Map Votes Timer[2] has the most votes |
| 04:10.52 | MoonEater | and so on |
| 04:11.39 | Deathbringer | Yeah I dont get it!! D;;;;;;;;;;;;; |
| 04:11.40 | MoonEater | got it? |
| 04:11.48 | MoonEater | why? |
| 04:11.50 | ArcanePariah_ | Dustin: I love you, where was this forever.... |
| 04:12.16 | MoonEater | what dont u get? |
| 04:12.50 | Deathbringer | I dont get how my action I added will work with what you gave me! |
| 04:13.04 | MoonEater | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.08 | MoonEater | what |
| 04:13.10 | MoonEater | wait |
| 04:13.12 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.15 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.18 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.21 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.28 | Deathbringer | Each of my actions which are these ^ |
| 04:13.34 | MoonEater | fine |
| 04:13.36 | Deathbringer | Are searching for every number |
| 04:13.47 | MoonEater | in that funky trigger i sent u |
| 04:14.13 | MoonEater | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.30 | MoonEater | Map Votes Timer[i]>Map Votes Timer[Winner] |
| 04:14.39 | MoonEater | then |
| 04:15.07 | MoonEater | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.14 | MoonEater | right got it? |
| 04:15.40 | MoonEater | Max Voted Maps will hold winner either 1,2,3, or 4 |
| 04:16.41 | Deathbringer | Added what you told me |
| 04:16.46 | MoonEater | good |
| 04:16.48 | MoonEater | now |
| 04:16.59 | MoonEater | if Max Voted Maps is 1 |
| 04:17.01 | MoonEater | then |
| 04:17.17 | MoonEater | Map Votes Timer[1] has the most votes |
| 04:17.22 | MoonEater | if 2 |
| 04:17.26 | MoonEater | then use 2 |
| 04:17.53 | Deathbringer | I already have all that down |
| 04:18.17 | Deathbringer | So am I gtg? |
| 04:18.42 | MoonEater | should be |
| 04:18.45 | MoonEater | test it |
| 04:18.46 | Deathbringer | And do I remove Max Voted Maps = (Max(Map Votes Timer[1], Map Votes Timer[2])) <Integer> |
| 04:18.54 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.56 | Deathbringer | ? |
| 04:19.14 | MoonEater | probaly |
| 04:19.20 | Deathbringer | Okay |
| 04:19.56 | Deathbringer | Wait |
| 04:19.59 | Deathbringer | How do I get Max Voted Maps 3 = (Find thar largest value in Map Votes Map[4]) <Integer>? |
| 04:20.00 | Deathbringer | Again |
| 04:21.08 | MoonEater | you make it |
| 04:21.17 | MoonEater | click functions tab |
| 04:21.23 | Deathbringer | Okay |
| 04:21.25 | MoonEater | when the dialog opens to set it |
| 04:21.25 | Deathbringer | Then? |
| 04:21.30 | MoonEater | find iot |
| 04:21.57 | Deathbringer | iot?? |
| 04:22.02 | Deathbringer | I dont see iot |
| 04:22.10 | MoonEater | it |
| 04:22.12 | MoonEater | IT |
| 04:22.42 | Deathbringer | Okay I found it. |
| 04:22.49 | Deathbringer | Find thar largest value in Map Votes Map[Array length] |
| 04:22.52 | Deathbringer | Now what? |
| 04:23.17 | MoonEater | test it |
| 04:23.39 | Deathbringer | But how do I put it in the variables from the function? |
| 04:24.34 | Deathbringer | ? |
| 04:25.00 | Deathbringer | ?!! |
| 04:25.16 | MoonEater | they r already |
| 04:25.27 | Deathbringer | Well not in my main map |
| 04:25.35 | Deathbringer | I'm Copying and pasting it |
| 04:25.48 | MoonEater | omg what r u doing?!?! |
| 04:25.59 | MoonEater | pm me ur map |
| 04:28.35 | Deathbringer | Okay |
| 04:28.45 | Deathbringer | Heres my whole map, add what you have to add in it. |
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| 05:22.56 | Deathbringer | MoonEater |
| 05:30.23 | MoonEater | FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!! |
| 05:30.34 | MoonEater | WHY IS THE ACTOR EVENT IN SUCH A TERRIBLE FORMAT |
| 05:32.42 | MoonEater | Jade..... |
| 05:32.45 | MoonEater | im lonly |
| 05:35.13 | MoonEater | Deathbringer what it say? |
| 05:35.43 | Deathbringer | Nvm |
| 05:35.56 | Deathbringer | Dude wtf, ever since you helped me the errors are gone. |
| 05:36.30 | Deathbringer | Wait dude |
| 05:36.37 | Deathbringer | There one more problem in my Editor |
| 05:36.40 | Deathbringer | Pst me |
| 05:36.53 | MoonEater | ? |
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| 06:18.36 | JademusSreg | ƵøøⱣ |
| 06:24.42 | Deathbringer | Anyone know a website where I could copy and paste my triggers? |
| 06:24.54 | JademusSreg | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?game=sc2 |
| 06:32.18 | JademusSreg | Or did you have something else in mind DB? |
| 06:34.37 | MoonEater | back |
| 06:35.17 | MoonEater | JADE!!! |
| 06:35.19 | MoonEater | i missed u |
| 06:35.47 | JademusSreg | I ♠ you. |
| 06:36.27 | kingTD | Jade do you dont get any Leave messages when pps not in channel? |
| 06:36.37 | MoonEater | spade me? |
| 06:36.49 | JademusSreg | Twod, can you clarify the question? |
| 06:37.00 | kingTD | [09:32] == Deathbringer [60fbc509@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.251.197.9] has quit [Quit: Page closed] |
| 06:37.22 | JademusSreg | Moon, yes. I can explain, if needed. |
| 06:38.07 | JademusSreg | Twod, I get leave messages, but my client is currently configured to post that shit in the server status. |
| 06:39.19 | kingTD | okay |
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| 06:51.45 | MoonEater | Jade, Explain |
| 06:52.38 | JademusSreg | http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004293 |
| 06:54.29 | MoonEater | so irratating |
| 06:54.32 | MoonEater | these actor events |
| 06:54.45 | MoonEater | oh ive seen this before |
| 06:54.50 | MoonEater | i think u have it to me before |
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| 07:32.38 | MoonEater | JAde |
| 07:32.45 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 07:32.48 | MoonEater | i fked somthing up |
| 07:32.51 | MoonEater | can u proof it for me |
| 07:32.58 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 07:33.29 | MoonEater | http://pastebin.com/jjz9nsdR |
| 07:33.38 | MoonEater | its freezing up at frame C |
| 07:33.40 | MoonEater | it looks like |
| 07:33.47 | MoonEater | Link-Right-C |
| 07:35.54 | MoonEater | we cant test |
| 07:36.01 | MoonEater | i have it on NA jade |
| 07:37.44 | JademusSreg | Yeah, this shit is looking impenetrable. Care to explain the issue further? |
| 07:39.06 | MoonEater | its not flowing right at Right C |
| 07:39.10 | MoonEater | its hard to explain |
| 07:39.19 | MoonEater | animations r smooth for up and down |
| 07:39.25 | MoonEater | but at one point on right |
| 07:39.28 | MoonEater | it chopps |
| 07:39.41 | JademusSreg | Is the validator working? |
| 07:40.52 | MoonEater | yes |
| 07:40.57 | MoonEater | unless its a different oneXD |
| 07:41.09 | MoonEater | they r grouped by up, down and right |
| 07:41.18 | MoonEater | so most of the right will have the same validator |
| 07:43.57 | MoonEater | whana come to NA |
| 07:44.00 | MoonEater | and test it? |
| 07:44.04 | MoonEater | damn its frustrating me |
| 07:48.17 | MoonEater | oh |
| 07:48.22 | MoonEater | c and D look simular |
| 07:52.28 | MoonEater | jade |
| 07:52.30 | MoonEater | :( |
| 07:52.34 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 07:52.54 | MoonEater | its fram C |
| 07:53.03 | MoonEater | somthing funking is going on |
| 07:54.43 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.58 | JademusSreg | Line 44 |
| 07:54.59 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 07:55.16 | MoonEater | AH |
| 07:55.19 | MoonEater | thats it |
| 08:02.10 | Bommes | Good morning, sunshine. |
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| 08:17.20 | MoonEater | JAde |
| 08:23.27 | MoonEater | Jade |
| 08:27.43 | MoonEater | JAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
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| 08:49.37 | Bommes | Oh, Terraria on Steam Sale. |
| 08:49.47 | Bommes | time to buy it I guess :) |
| 08:51.11 | Zolden | hwat is it? |
| 08:52.35 | Bommes | a game full of wonders and exploration I heard |
| 09:03.04 | Zolden | are there terrans? |
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| 11:30.19 | G0A | hey kids, dont take drugs! http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a83_1381737489 |
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| 11:41.50 | Serashin | thats a cute gem |
| 11:46.09 | Ahli | that's the person with the sideways gravity from the xkcd or however its called comic |
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| 12:33.47 | Zolden | http://i.snag.gy/XluZV.jpg |
| 12:33.53 | Zolden | conic tank antenna |
| 12:33.55 | Zolden | sonic |
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| 12:52.58 | kingTD | Zolden anything to show? |
| 12:58.57 | Zolden | i'm making a sonic tank |
| 12:58.59 | Zolden | as a creep |
| 12:59.06 | Zolden | there's its antenna http://i.snag.gy/XluZV.jpg |
| 13:09.18 | kingTD | hmm why it already have texture and stuff? completing one part of the unit then going for another? |
| 13:09.27 | Zolden | and this is the whole thing http://i.snag.gy/SLO4v.jpg |
| 13:09.47 | Zolden | another is premade |
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| 13:11.19 | JademusSreg | ƵøøⱣ |
| 13:12.28 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of the GDI Disruptor sonic tanks from C&C Tiberian Sun. |
| 13:14.10 | kingTD | Y sadly it has way too much wheels, if it had just one spining metal thing then it could be from CnC Ra2 :P |
| 13:14.32 | Zolden | it has even more ancient ancestor, atreides sonic tank |
| 13:14.44 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 13:15.03 | JademusSreg | Dune (2?), also from Westwood. |
| 13:15.11 | Zolden | yea, dune 2 |
| 13:15.22 | Zolden | kingTD yea, i'll reduce their amount |
| 13:16.16 | kingTD | hmmm how it will look? :O |
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| 13:18.05 | kingTD | lets go play CnC games!!! |
| 13:18.18 | Deathbringer | Kueken you there? |
| 13:18.48 | kingTD | fuck no music :( |
| 13:19.12 | Deathbringer | Kueken: Hello? |
| 13:21.27 | JademusSreg | Been on the forums long deathbringer? |
| 13:22.27 | Deathbringer | No, just looking for Kueken. |
| 13:22.38 | Deathbringer | What was the site where you could add the SC2 Code? |
| 13:22.54 | JademusSreg | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?game=sc2 |
| 13:24.16 | Deathbringer | Kk thanks |
| 13:25.51 | Deathbringer | Kueken |
| 13:27.56 | JademusSreg | What's the issue? |
| 13:29.22 | Deathbringer | The minimap doesn't show. |
| 13:29.47 | JademusSreg | Alright. And what code are you using? |
| 13:31.39 | Deathbringer | Give me a moment |
| 13:37.07 | Deathbringer | Wow, it didn't save. |
| 13:37.11 | Deathbringer | Give me a moment |
| 13:40.32 | Zolden | kingTD dunno, maybe something like this http://i.snag.gy/EVFSn.jpg |
| 13:42.30 | kingTD | it needs to be more square mb. less length |
| 13:43.47 | Zolden | probably |
| 13:45.43 | Deathbringer | First problem. |
| 13:49.42 | Zolden | kingTD http://i.snag.gy/8oYXH.jpg |
| 13:51.11 | halides | sonic tank? nice |
| 13:51.40 | Zolden | yea :) |
| 13:52.55 | kingTD | a bit to sides need to move wheels, and the center body seems none existing |
| 13:57.34 | Deathbringer | Kueken |
| 14:01.55 | Deathbringer | Kueken |
| 14:02.03 | Deathbringer | Anyone here a expert? |
| 14:02.08 | Deathbringer | On Editor |
| 14:02.10 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 14:02.17 | Deathbringer | Okay help me with this |
| 14:02.21 | Deathbringer | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3239 |
| 14:02.28 | Deathbringer | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3240 - Function |
| 14:02.45 | Deathbringer | It doesn't show the time due to a action I put in here. |
| 14:03.59 | Deathbringer | Know why? |
| 14:04.15 | JademusSreg | So the function exists the return the index with the most votes, right? |
| 14:04.22 | Deathbringer | Yeah |
| 14:04.59 | JademusSreg | And can you describe the problem you encounter? |
| 14:05.12 | Deathbringer | The Timer at the top right doesnt show |
| 14:05.42 | Deathbringer | Which means actions aren't working |
| 14:05.52 | Deathbringer | Due to the function I suppose |
| 14:06.21 | JademusSreg | Ah, except neither of those pastes contain anything that exists to show a timer. |
| 14:06.31 | Deathbringer | Ik |
| 14:06.39 | Deathbringer | The first link in the If then Else |
| 14:06.51 | Deathbringer | Those triggers that run other triggers control the timer |
| 14:07.03 | Deathbringer | Those are fine, I checked. |
| 14:07.29 | JademusSreg | Where is "Vote Timer" initialized? |
| 14:08.02 | Deathbringer | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3241 |
| 14:08.28 | JademusSreg | Vote Timer Window Timer = No Timer Window <Timer Window> |
| 14:08.35 | JademusSreg | See the issue? |
| 14:09.32 | JademusSreg | Need to create the timer window for it to display, see, frosty? =D |
| 14:10.02 | Deathbringer | Oh it does |
| 14:10.06 | Deathbringer | It does at the start |
| 14:10.30 | Deathbringer | I need to wait for Moontaker |
| 14:10.44 | JademusSreg | Gotta show all the relevant code, or it's just guessing, frost. |
| 14:11.17 | JademusSreg | Also, I'd say the timer isn't started, again without seeing more code. |
| 14:15.45 | Bommes | That moment of shame after taking a couple of minutes out of your life to read youtube comments and remembering that you will never get these minutes back and they could have been used to read opinions from less degenerated people. |
| 14:15.57 | Bommes | It hurts :/ |
| 14:16.29 | Deathbringer | Kueken |
| 14:18.41 | Bommes | Deathbringer: Did you initialize the Timer Window? You never answered it. |
| 14:18.49 | Deathbringer | Yeah I did |
| 14:18.54 | Deathbringer | I already did everything |
| 14:19.09 | Deathbringer | Everythings perfectly fine, the problem is the function may not be working correctly |
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| 14:22.21 | Bommes | Deathbringer: Well you should return "Winner" in the function, not i |
| 14:22.35 | Bommes | otherwise the loop is pointless |
| 14:22.56 | Deathbringer | Copy and paste the part from the link I gave you so I know what part |
| 14:23.16 | Bommes | you only pasted one function in here |
| 14:23.16 | Bommes | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3240 |
| 14:23.30 | Deathbringer | Ik thats the only function? |
| 14:24.02 | Bommes | ? |
| 14:24.25 | Deathbringer | Thats the only function? |
| 14:24.38 | Bommes | I don't know, it's the only one you pasted into this channel |
| 14:24.57 | Bommes | so if there is another function I wouldn't know about it since you didn't paste it anywhere in here |
| 14:25.15 | Deathbringer | It is the only function |
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| 14:33.06 | Bommes | Hmm, Warcraft movie coming 18th December 2015? |
| 14:33.23 | Bommes | even their movies get delayed beyond belief :O |
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| 14:59.21 | Zolden | kingTD final version http://i.snag.gy/nofMT.jpg |
| 14:59.43 | kingTD | that will do pig |
| 15:00.27 | Serashin | lol that is the building / vehicle unpower unit from C&c |
| 15:00.51 | Zolden | it's sonic tank from dune 2 |
| 15:01.03 | Zolden | protoss ships brought it from dune |
| 15:01.46 | Serashin | How come u make so many models , but no awesome game concept :x |
| 15:01.57 | Serashin | arcade with current maps has no competive game |
| 15:05.02 | Zolden | i have game concept, butit's not rts |
| 15:05.14 | Zolden | players are too lazy to control units |
| 15:05.38 | Zolden | also, my rise of legends map is competitieve as shit |
| 15:05.54 | Zolden | balanced like shit |
| 15:06.15 | Zolden | extremely deep level of pro-ing skill |
| 15:09.24 | Serashin | cant read your maps attributes |
| 15:09.27 | Serashin | as when i type |
| 15:09.29 | Serashin | rise of legends |
| 15:09.32 | Serashin | there comes nothing |
| 15:09.58 | Zolden | it's on na |
| 15:10.11 | Zolden | on eu either |
| 15:10.37 | JademusSreg | Frostwind left again? |
| 15:10.40 | JademusSreg | Sheesh. |
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| 15:11.13 | Deathbringer | Kueken |
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| 15:12.40 | Deathbringer | Kueken1 |
| 15:12.50 | Deathbringer | Kueken? |
| 15:12.51 | Zolden | Kueken2 |
| 15:13.23 | JademusSreg | Frost, bothering people repeatedly only foments resentment; attempt instead to exercise patience. |
| 15:13.25 | Deathbringer | Kueken you there? |
| 15:15.04 | Zolden | lol |
| 15:15.23 | JademusSreg | (It also makes your alts very easy to identify.) |
| 15:15.24 | Deathbringer | Kueken1 |
| 15:26.35 | Zolden | Serashin can you find me sonic tank launch sound from dune 2? |
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| 15:59.21 | kingTD | any SC2 arcade map that have Exploration elements to it? |
| 16:04.20 | Bommes | Jade, are you guys still playing Terraria from time to time? Bought it today since it was on sale 75% off and wondered whether or not its worth checking out in Singleplayer or if it's more of a Multiplayer game. |
| 16:06.58 | kingTD | multiplayer is more fun as you have with who to explore and do shit. Solo playing still viable |
| 16:08.09 | G0A | why do you ask kingTD ? |
| 16:08.27 | kingTD | interest to play something like that in sc |
| 16:08.36 | kingTD | just played Skyrim again |
| 16:09.08 | kingTD | plus remembered some old days with all those unpopular maps with lvling and shit |
| 16:09.35 | G0A | I want to make pseudo generated map |
| 16:09.58 | G0A | so you could explore it |
| 16:10.00 | G0A | ... |
| 16:10.50 | Zolden | kingTD my map will have exploration elements |
| 16:10.54 | G0A | I mean pseudo random generated |
| 16:11.00 | Zolden | but with scan/build |
| 16:11.21 | G0A | that bio defense map is about exploration too |
| 16:11.26 | Zolden | G0A make pseudo random td |
| 16:11.28 | G0A | but its rts |
| 16:11.38 | G0A | Zolden I already have that.D |
| 16:11.45 | Zolden | oh, right |
| 16:11.48 | kingTD | bio defense map? |
| 16:11.52 | G0A | yes |
| 16:12.25 | kingTD | hmm, did you showed us already it? |
| 16:12.46 | G0A | probably not |
| 16:12.59 | G0A | its published on US and its not made by me |
| 16:13.04 | G0A | its quite nice map |
| 16:13.25 | kingTD | okay will check it now |
| 16:14.07 | JademusSreg | Bom, sometimes. Though it's rather like chewing cardboard for me, in expectation of Starbound's glory. |
| 16:15.21 | Bommes | kingTD: You can soon play my map where you can explore the occurence of shit blowing up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvCJKSMXnNU |
| 16:15.54 | Zolden | kingTD mapmaking precess is also includes explorations |
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| 16:21.02 | Zandose | smashes head against chatroom screen and says "Why does my trigger make 0 - 0 = something other then 0. Nothing is being done or changed!" |
| 16:21.39 | G0A | *0 fixes everything |
| 16:21.42 | Zandose | takes that back |
| 16:21.52 | kingTD | Zolden somewhat but not much found in gameplay of maps |
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| 16:34.12 | Zandose | whats the math to see how many times 0.0313 can go into 10? I want to take 10 and see how many times i can do 0.0313 + 0.0313 + 0.0313 +etc until it reaches 10. |
| 16:34.46 | turtles1 | int( 10 / 0.0313 ) |
| 16:34.49 | turtles1 | ? |
| 16:35.22 | Zandose | hmm. i think im thinking of something else. give me a min to think about it |
| 16:35.31 | JademusSreg | 10.0 / 0.03125 |
| 16:35.32 | turtles1 | make sure it is doing real arithmatic not integer arithmatic |
| 16:35.36 | Zandose | oh never mind. just figures out my answer. talking about ti really does help me |
| 16:35.48 | turtles1 | int( (real(10) / 0.0313 ) should make sure of that |
| 16:36.08 | turtles1 | int( (real(10)) / 0.0313 ) * |
| 16:37.44 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 16:38.04 | turtles1 | Talking about a problem helps you to see it in a different light |
| 16:38.14 | Zandose | yep |
| 16:39.13 | Zandose | well, instead of seeing it in math and variables i see the problem in words with a example of what im trying to do and it just helps i guess |
| 16:39.29 | Bommes | use 0.03125 though since that will actually give you a non decimal number since it is 1/32 |
| 16:40.06 | Zandose | ^the game only lets me do .0313 instead of .03125. it rounds up |
| 16:41.34 | Zandose | one problem solved and another one shows up lol |
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| 16:42.18 | turtles1 | 99 bugs in the code, 99 bugs in the code |
| 16:42.25 | turtles1 | take one down, patch it around |
| 16:42.32 | turtles1 | 152 bugs in the code |
| 16:42.41 | Zandose | but i think this new problem is related to the old one. editing... |
| 16:44.18 | Zandose | how do you use 0.03125 if it keeps rounding up? |
| 16:45.14 | turtles1 | why do you need that specifically? there is only 0.00005 difference? |
| 16:45.38 | JademusSreg | There is no difference. |
| 16:45.44 | JademusSreg | Not in SC2. |
| 16:45.59 | Zandose | a wait 0 equals 0.03125 but i also need to apply some math using 0.03125 |
| 16:46.01 | turtles1 | floating point arithmatic can be wonky sometimes |
| 16:46.10 | JademusSreg | It's -not- a float. |
| 16:46.23 | turtles1 | it's a double? |
| 16:46.26 | JademusSreg | Fixed point arithmetic. |
| 16:46.35 | JademusSreg | 1 sign, 19 whole, 12 fractional. |
| 16:46.41 | turtles1 | oh, ok |
| 16:48.53 | turtles1 | either way, there is a fixed granularity. you cannot represent arbitrarilly large or small numbers |
| 16:49.06 | turtles1 | *directly* |
| 16:49.23 | turtles1 | I mean you could work around it in a cumbersome kind of way I guess |
| 16:50.21 | JademusSreg | (2^-12)-1 = 1/4096 is the fractional increment. |
| 16:51.51 | turtles1 | Zandose: so why do you need to represent something smaller than 1/4096? Maybe we could help if we knew what you were doing? |
| 16:55.37 | Zandose | im just making trigger to rotate a actor and i wanted to make it as smooth as possible by using a wait of 0 (0.03125). so I take a rotation rate, 10 in this case, and divide it by 0.03125 to get 320 times. |
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| 16:58.55 | turtles1 | So if that is 320 small rotations to make up a full turn then after each wait you would turn the actor by 360/320 degrees |
| 16:59.04 | turtles1 | = 1.125 degrees |
| 16:59.23 | JademusSreg | Damn connection. |
| 16:59.30 | Zandose | perhaps. ill fix that later if need be. |
| 16:59.32 | Zandose | ty |
| 16:59.42 | JademusSreg | Which of my previous messages were received? |
| 16:59.57 | Zandose | <JademusSreg> (2^-12)-1 = 1/4096 is the fractional increment. |
| 16:59.58 | turtles1 | JademusSreg: (2^-12)-1 = 1/4096 is the fractional increment. |
| 17:00.02 | turtles1 | (3:54:44 AM) JademusSreg left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 245 seconds). |
| 17:00.27 | JademusSreg | Ah, goot. Only missed "Alternately, one can see fixed values as int values / 4096. =D" |
| 17:04.27 | turtles1 | I would use a variable though so you can fiddle with it to see how smooth it is. |
| 17:04.28 | turtles1 | i = 0 |
| 17:04.29 | turtles1 | steps = 100 |
| 17:04.29 | turtles1 | for (i = 0; i < steps; i++) |
| 17:04.29 | turtles1 | wait( 10 / steps ); |
| 17:04.29 | turtles1 | rotation += 360 / steps; |
| 17:04.29 | turtles1 | rotation = 360; |
| 17:04.41 | Zandose | another time |
| 17:04.44 | Zolden | kingTD do you know 2 best exploration spells? |
| 17:04.59 | kingTD | spells? no |
| 17:05.05 | Zolden | i can tell you |
| 17:05.08 | turtles1 | ummm, that last line would be outside the loop |
| 17:05.15 | kingTD | u do |
| 17:05.20 | Zolden | monkey jump and pig explosion |
| 17:11.37 | hobbidude | how do i make an ability visiable only when the charges on another one runs out? |
| 17:12.09 | JademusSreg | Requirement |
| 17:12.47 | hobbidude | sure but how do setup the validator for charges? |
| 17:13.58 | JademusSreg | A validator would prevent-by-error, a requirement would make it not usuable, preventing initiation entirely. |
| 17:17.31 | hobbidude | would the requirement work if an upgrade is downgraded? |
| 17:17.40 | hobbidude | actually nvm |
| 17:19.15 | hobbidude | how do you check for charges in requirements? |
| 17:25.42 | Kueken1 | Zandose: rotating every 0.03125 is pointless, because the visuals would only update every 0.0625 anyway :D |
| 17:26.16 | Kueken1 | hobbidude: pretty sure you cannot, use triggers to make the requirement valid |
| 17:26.23 | Kueken1 | like by applying a behavior |
| 17:26.33 | hobbidude | can't |
| 17:26.55 | hobbidude | is there a way to check if an abilities can be used? |
| 17:28.04 | hobbidude | srry to clarify i can't uses behaviors cuz i would max out the buffs |
| 17:28.26 | hobbidude | triggers would work but i don't want to have to check every time the abilties are used |
| 17:33.39 | hobbidude | how do validators check charges? |
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| 17:39.38 | Triceron | Ahoy |
| 17:39.54 | Ahli | Brause |
| 17:40.38 | Zolden | Kibuldak |
| 18:13.18 | G0A | wow |
| 18:13.22 | G0A | found a nice new map |
| 18:13.32 | JademusSreg | No wai |
| 18:13.36 | G0A | "Frenzy" on NA |
| 18:14.14 | JademusSreg | What's the pitch? |
| 18:17.02 | Dustin | Is it just another Frenzy map |
| 18:17.07 | Kueken | (he made it, its some subtle advertizing) |
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| 18:19.16 | JademusSreg | Ah, hah. |
| 18:20.12 | G0A | Dustin nope, its most similar to CarmageddoN:D |
| 18:21.29 | Dustin | I love carmageddon |
| 18:21.29 | Zolden | G0A carmageddon? |
| 18:22.34 | Triceron | a destruction derby style driving game where you get points for running people over |
| 18:22.35 | Zolden | can car launch missiles also? |
| 18:22.58 | Dustin | You ever Play Twisted Metal Zolden? |
| 18:23.01 | Zolden | Triceron yea, I know, my question was rather "are you sure" |
| 18:23.08 | Triceron | ahh |
| 18:23.14 | Zolden | duckies i played carmageddon |
| 18:23.20 | Dustin | Gotcha |
| 18:23.43 | Dustin | Duckies, needs to change his name cause he's ahead of me alphabetically now |
| 18:23.49 | Bommes | haha, do you guys know this Smash Bros. documentary? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tgWH-qXpv8 |
| 18:23.55 | Bommes | It's pretty amazing |
| 18:24.45 | Dustin | can't find this frenzy map |
| 18:25.15 | duckies | and now I feel a sudden urge to dwell in some of my childhoods arcades.. thanks guys ;/ |
| 18:25.29 | Zolden | Bommes you jsut answered my yesterdays question |
| 18:25.39 | Dustin | Found it |
| 18:25.40 | Dustin | wooot |
| 18:25.40 | Bommes | ? |
| 18:25.42 | Zolden | the game i was trying to remember after i wantched your wideo was smash tv |
| 18:25.48 | Bommes | oh, k |
| 18:25.58 | Dustin | I started remaking Smash TV from SC1 in sc2 |
| 18:25.59 | Bommes | wasn't that for NES? |
| 18:26.04 | Dustin | but all I got was the terrain started |
| 18:26.05 | Triceron | there needs to be more Smash TV maps |
| 18:26.09 | duckies | what, you didn't remember how smash tv was called? shame on you;/ |
| 18:26.22 | duckies | lets make a smash tv map competition |
| 18:26.30 | duckies | to see who can make the best smash tv map |
| 18:26.41 | Zolden | duckies yea |
| 18:26.45 | Zolden | go post the thread |
| 18:26.46 | Triceron | i still have an unused model of the first boss that I started for that smash tv proj |
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| 18:27.00 | G0A | Dustin its frenzy! and its on na |
| 18:27.04 | MoonEater | XD |
| 18:27.24 | G0A | ohh z found it |
| 18:28.01 | duckies | yeah, I will, just give me an hour to wake up, or beat me to it by making a post yourself while I'm still half unconchious :D |
| 18:28.12 | duckies | *unconscious |
| 18:28.29 | duckies | we need more smashTvs |
| 18:28.41 | duckies | goes into living room and smashes his TV |
| 18:29.30 | duckies | starts to think on strategy how to track every this ircs participant to visit them and smash their TVs as well |
| 18:29.31 | JademusSreg | Oh, since other sexy-brain people are here, I'll float an idea; open source SC2 content development guide, on the hub of gits. |
| 18:30.50 | MoonEater | JIZZED IN MY PANTS |
| 18:31.49 | MoonEater | theres alot of fundamental fuctions that i think should be added |
| 18:32.20 | duckies | hey g0a |
| 18:32.23 | duckies | get over here |
| 18:32.30 | MoonEater | DUCKIES |
| 18:32.33 | MoonEater | hugs |
| 18:32.42 | duckies | mooneater, you too |
| 18:32.53 | Dustin | Goa, get in this shit |
| 18:32.58 | duckies | starcraft://map/1/221598 |
| 18:33.09 | duckies | aaw |
| 18:33.40 | duckies | anyway, go get into that frenzy map on na |
| 18:33.51 | duckies | so that we can have a 4-player game |
| 18:34.05 | Dustin | I'm gonna frenzy all over your face! |
| 18:34.52 | JademusSreg | I figure new folks would benefit significantly from a community-produced guide to development, but am uncertain if there is sufficient demand. |
| 18:35.54 | MoonEater | JAde |
| 18:35.57 | duckies | if there is an entity to do it - it's you jade |
| 18:35.58 | MoonEater | the isnt isnt demand |
| 18:36.02 | G0A | okey |
| 18:36.04 | MoonEater | lots of people want to do it |
| 18:36.12 | MoonEater | the issue is programming is difficult |
| 18:36.17 | MoonEater | games take months to complete |
| 18:36.34 | MoonEater | most people lose interest |
| 18:36.47 | kingTD | time and money |
| 18:36.48 | JademusSreg | Naw, I'm refering to a open-sourced document, more web-dev than map-dev. |
| 18:36.50 | JademusSreg | *an |
| 18:37.06 | MoonEater | like wiki for sc2? |
| 18:37.17 | G0A | best would be, that there would be some simple example maps for each genre. The blizz guys who used to come here, considered such thing. |
| 18:37.27 | duckies | all open source things on mapster need a dedicated person, otherwise os doesn't work on mapster =D |
| 18:38.27 | JademusSreg | Naw, not so much a wiki, as a guide, covering all the important shit, written by the people who've been through it. |
| 18:38.36 | hobbidude | ya kinda funny how blizzard had yet abandoned the mapping community |
| 18:38.44 | hobbidude | again |
| 18:40.53 | Zolden | kingTD time is monkey jump, and money is pig explosion |
| 18:41.14 | kingTD | :] |
| 18:41.21 | kingTD | interesting that frenzy ride |
| 18:42.18 | JademusSreg | The numerous projects that have attempted curating archives of knowledge have pretty much either stagnated or stalled. And I suspect one of the problems is exclusivity in their selection of curators. |
| 18:43.11 | Zolden | JademusSreg are you talking about a tutorial of everying? |
| 18:43.29 | MoonEater | LOLZ |
| 18:43.31 | MoonEater | 42 |
| 18:43.35 | JademusSreg | GUT |
| 18:43.47 | JademusSreg | Grand Unifying Tutorial, harharhar. |
| 18:44.09 | JademusSreg | In a manner of speaking, I suppose. |
| 18:44.21 | duckies | that was well worth the time! |
| 18:44.28 | G0A | :) |
| 18:44.39 | G0A | it was so lag free |
| 18:44.46 | G0A | even though its on NA |
| 18:44.53 | duckies | I could go for another round! |
| 18:45.00 | duckies | just to get then hang of it |
| 18:45.07 | kingTD | inv me to parcy? :/ |
| 18:45.09 | MoonEater | duckies |
| 18:45.29 | duckies | hell yea! |
| 18:45.35 | G0A | there is another fun map I found today btw:D |
| 18:46.04 | JademusSreg | Goa, got a link to the map? |
| 18:53.00 | Dustin | Anyone know how to setup hero bars like the top left here? -> http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/43/302/Screenshot2013-09-06_20_40_38.jpg |
| 18:54.16 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 18:54.25 | Serashin | just copy status unit frame from a unit wich has it |
| 18:54.30 | Serashin | like kerrigan or niadra |
| 18:54.33 | JademusSreg | That's simply compied from the hots hero bars. |
| 18:54.38 | JademusSreg | *compied |
| 18:54.53 | Dustin | Oh so it's data |
| 18:55.12 | JademusSreg | It's a combination of UI layout shit and trigger shit. |
| 18:55.19 | Dustin | weird |
| 18:55.20 | Serashin | no trigger shit |
| 18:55.25 | Serashin | ur the pro |
| 18:55.27 | Serashin | and im the noob |
| 18:55.30 | Serashin | but i still know it |
| 18:55.32 | Serashin | false info |
| 18:55.40 | Dustin | Woah dude calm down |
| 18:56.10 | Serashin | ;) |
| 18:56.16 | JademusSreg | 1) I'm refering to the HotS hero frame. 2) I don't know that map, so I cannot speak to that effect with certainty. |
| 18:56.41 | JademusSreg | 3) The unit status bars over the units are actor unit data with references to custom layout frames. |
| 18:56.56 | JademusSreg | 4) The top left hero bars used trigger shit to update their values. |
| 18:57.05 | Serashin | whatever i didnt want to get in conversation with you , i just saw this shit knew it and said it |
| 18:57.12 | Serashin | and u make big fuss nosense about it |
| 18:57.13 | Serashin | afk |
| 18:57.16 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 18:57.20 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 18:57.30 | duckies | you filthy A- >:D |
| 18:57.44 | Dustin | JademusSreg, where do I copy and what do I copy exactly? |
| 18:58.10 | G0A | JademusSreg starcraft://map/1/221598 |
| 18:58.37 | JademusSreg | Hm. Assuming you want to duplicate the HotS implementation, there's a mod in the Campaign directory that you can add via the Other Dependencies. |
| 18:59.18 | Dustin | Ya, jsut a nice easy bar and maybe portrait that i can use to let people know everyones HP |
| 18:59.41 | JademusSreg | That contains the trigger code (I can find the name momentarily), while the UI frame definitions may be in the Swarm or SwarmCampaign dependency, which is convenient. |
| 19:00.53 | JademusSreg | SwarmCampaignLib.SC2Lib |
| 19:02.53 | Dustin | This sounds like more work than it's worth |
| 19:03.16 | Dustin | Why wouldnt they make an easy to use system if they were going to make it, they knew mappers could use it |
| 19:03.23 | Dustin | Kinda dumb |
| 19:03.44 | Bommes | Dustin: Having a combination of UI and Trigger is actually really handy in my opinion, makes it really easy to organize your UI properly, layer every UI element on top of each other, anchor it individually correctly and being able to put whole UI parts consisting of multiple Images etc into single Dialog Items |
| 19:04.22 | Dustin | that's not the issue |
| 19:04.35 | Dustin | That's the same setup as me making it with dialogs and coding it |
| 19:04.58 | Dustin | Cept I gotta dig around and replace crap |
| 19:05.36 | Bommes | it's just easier to organize if you have a lot of UI parts imo |
| 19:05.48 | Dustin | I didn't say it wasn't :P |
| 19:06.10 | JademusSreg | That contains the triggers it uses for creating the dialog shit and updating. SwarmCampaign dependency has the UI frame definitions, in HotS_GameUnitFrame.SC2Layout |
| 19:06.56 | JademusSreg | Here's the script of the creation and update functions, for those curious: https://pastee.org/zgtmh |
| 19:07.00 | Dustin | I havent messed with any .sc2layout or ui shit since it's been so shitty to work with and they keep changing it, so I don't know how to work with any of those in any form =/ |
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| 19:08.23 | JademusSreg | Ah, fortunately, you needn't think much about it. As the paste indicates, the UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer frame contains the instances; simply add more as needed and extend the trigger/code to accomodate it. |
| 19:08.51 | mille25 | hey |
| 19:08.56 | JademusSreg | Or dialog control create from template, and use code like theirs to update. |
| 19:09.17 | JademusSreg | Hi thar mille. |
| 19:09.19 | Bommes | aloha |
| 19:09.20 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:10.08 | Dustin | Why is none of this GUI |
| 19:10.13 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 19:10.34 | JademusSreg | I can send you the SC2Lib, but it's already in your program files. |
| 19:10.40 | Dustin | Wait |
| 19:10.43 | Dustin | So it is gui? |
| 19:10.51 | Dustin | Im confused |
| 19:11.07 | Dustin | It's just an extra lib that I dont have included |
| 19:11.11 | JademusSreg | Yes; I paste the script because it's easier for me to understand. |
| 19:11.18 | Dustin | Ok gotcha |
| 19:11.32 | Dustin | I thought they just had script for it and didnt make GUI wrappers |
| 19:11.38 | Dustin | You pasting the script is fine |
| 19:12.47 | Dustin | Do you know where the lib is? |
| 19:14.01 | JademusSreg | Yeah, uno moment. |
| 19:15.41 | G0A | Duckies |
| 19:15.56 | duckies | ya! |
| 19:16.09 | JademusSreg | Anyway, the SwarmCampaignLib.SC2Lib should be in the %porngramflies%/SC2blahblah/Campaigns/SwarmStory.SC2Campaign (inside mod) Base.SC2Data/TriggerLibs/SwarmCampaignLib.SC2Lib |
| 19:16.10 | duckies | we got randoms :D |
| 19:17.02 | JademusSreg | But I figure it should be added when one adds the SnarkCramping dependency, but I don't use GUI, so can't take my word for it. |
| 19:20.33 | Dustin | I should have the swarm campaign stuff |
| 19:20.37 | Dustin | already |
| 19:23.05 | JademusSreg | Either way, you can use the GUI from whichever source as the basis for updating your dialog control template-from/hooked-up-to the HeroUnitFrameTemplate (which is what the screenshot was using). |
| 19:24.23 | JademusSreg | Or use a library on mapster which does the same; I expect there's a dozen crap attempts and one or two decent libraries for the hots hero frame. |
| 19:26.49 | Dustin | I added SwarmStortyUtil depen |
| 19:26.54 | Dustin | Let's see if this has it |
| 19:30.31 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/SwarmCampaignLib.SC2Lib |
| 19:30.33 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:31.00 | JademusSreg | I should check the update mpqs for a new version, hold on. |
| 19:31.13 | Dustin | kk |
| 19:32.53 | duckies | guys, there is a smash tv map on NA, 4 players, lets play it! |
| 19:34.15 | duckies | zolden, instead of making a thread I've decided to play some random smashTV map on sc2 ;\ |
| 19:34.21 | duckies | sorry >.> |
| 19:34.22 | JademusSreg | Uploaded updated version. |
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| 19:35.28 | Dzuke911 | hi all |
| 19:35.34 | JademusSreg | Tell me when you've got it; it's 11+MB of xml crud and stinkin' up my dropbox. =D |
| 19:35.41 | Dzuke911 | gatherable doodads... is it possible? |
| 19:35.45 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 19:35.47 | JademusSreg | Use units. |
| 19:36.00 | Dzuke911 | is there unit limit on map? |
| 19:36.08 | Dzuke911 | for example for trees? |
| 19:36.35 | duckies | at some point users PC will start to explode if it has too much stuff to process l. |
| 19:36.35 | JademusSreg | Yes, there is a limit for every kind of object. |
| 19:36.41 | Dzuke911 | if ill put too many trees(that are units) will it lag or something& |
| 19:36.43 | Dzuke911 | ? |
| 19:36.45 | Dustin | this thing is crashingm y browser lol |
| 19:36.52 | JademusSreg | It's usually so high that hitting means you're doing it wrong. |
| 19:36.58 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:37.16 | Ahli | I've heared the limit is 15k. But you shouldn't go that high because the performance of the game becomes worse. I recommend not using more than 9k. |
| 19:37.16 | Zolden | duckies wise decision |
| 19:37.34 | Dzuke911 | =) |
| 19:37.46 | Dustin | k I got it |
| 19:38.16 | Ahli | so, you should just test it with dummy units |
| 19:38.38 | Bommes | The amount of units will likely not be the problem, but rather 1. how many abilities they have and 2. how detailed and "expensive" the model they use is |
| 19:40.47 | Bommes | at least that's what I heard at some point, that the number of abilities matters about how many units you can place |
| 19:40.52 | JademusSreg | I figure when one asks about a given object limit, it's probably not a good approach. |
| 19:40.54 | MoonEater | JAde |
| 19:41.01 | MoonEater | is there a way to stop unit ping |
| 19:41.05 | MoonEater | what i mean in |
| 19:41.25 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 19:41.26 | Ahli | alerts? |
| 19:41.31 | MoonEater | when you select a unit and give it a order to move, the target of the order will show a pointer effect |
| 19:41.48 | MoonEater | i just want it to be temporaraly disabled |
| 19:41.51 | JademusSreg | brbi5 |
| 19:41.55 | MoonEater | preferably through triggers |
| 19:46.47 | Ahli | I'm noticing that nearly every field in the data editor received a tooltip |
| 19:53.45 | Ahli | maybe you can edit the UI Orders content within the ability for the player |
| 19:53.56 | Ahli | that defines which visuals are used |
| 19:54.48 | Ahli | damned, it's just the waypoint |
| 19:54.54 | Ahli | I assume |
| 19:56.01 | Ahli | "ConfirmationLocalGround" is the actor for ground commands |
| 19:57.21 | Ahli | and they use the "!" negation that we cannot do with the editor's actor events dialog |
| 19:57.44 | JademusSreg | XML View =D |
| 19:57.58 | Ahli | adding a checkbox for terms is too difficult... |
| 19:58.18 | JademusSreg | Haha |
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| 20:06.08 | Bommes | the whole actor events GUI is just bad |
| 20:06.51 | Zolden | it misses ctrl + |
| 20:07.00 | JademusSreg | Yar. I use event macro actors just to avoid loading so much junk. |
| 20:07.03 | ArcanePariah | I would say it is ok, but the inablity to hotkey things, like adding new events |
| 20:07.05 | Zolden | alco copy paste between actors |
| 20:07.10 | ArcanePariah | is really frustrating |
| 20:07.36 | ArcanePariah | Well, I think event macros were made so you didn't copy paste between actors |
| 20:08.10 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:08.22 | Bommes | I think the GUI would be acceptable if you could drag&drop events to different places and add comments |
| 20:08.33 | ArcanePariah | Though one thing in hindsight that should have been changed is the default parent for unit, it includes so many unnecessary events that rarely come up |
| 20:10.24 | ArcanePariah | Like all the flyer helper events |
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| 20:11.41 | JademusSreg | Could modify the editor XML and add commands and such. =D |
| 20:12.05 | ArcanePariah | But I guess that is more laziness on my part then anything, since I could always just create my own base default. I would say that is one thing that should have been clearly explained, since not creating your own base data objects as parents/templates will cost you a ton of time and headaches later |
| 20:12.32 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 20:13.17 | ArcanePariah | On one hand, the extra events that my units inherit don't increase the XML filesize, I would assume there is SOME overhead somewhere for the actor having to listen for said events |
| 20:14.02 | JademusSreg | Hm. I forget, can't the core data be overridden with files in the Core.SC2Data or some such directory? |
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| 20:15.45 | ArcanePariah | Well... define override. Obviously you can modifiy existing data objects, it just creates an entry in the same data catalog, but in your map file, and the game just parses down the dependencies, starting at core, moving to your map. But if you mean alter the actual data catalogs in Core.MPQ? Nope, game has checksums on the MPQ, instantly deletes the entire mpq and downloads a clean one if... |
| 20:15.47 | ArcanePariah | ...its altered at all |
| 20:16.05 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:16.35 | JademusSreg | For example Map.SC2Map/Core.SC2Data/GameData/ |
| 20:16.38 | ArcanePariah | And instantly is incorrect, if you launch the game it will check then |
| 20:17.01 | ArcanePariah | I would assume it just ignores it, since it is not in the dependency path |
| 20:17.31 | JademusSreg | Ya gotta know when I'm refering to such directories I -never- mean to modify the standard MPQs, Arc. |
| 20:17.32 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:18.02 | ArcanePariah | Since the data catalog paths are hardcoded and protected, in the import module they fall under reserved, and moving them just means it doesn't see them at all |
| 20:18.49 | JademusSreg | The only person who apparently didn't get that standard MPQs are checked for integrity was Stew, as the chat logs will reflect, I expect. |
| 20:20.12 | ArcanePariah | Basically, I expect that the search path for data catalogs is a hardcoded value, basically for each library or map, it will always look for /Base.SC2Data/GameData and no where else |
| 20:20.52 | ArcanePariah | Since the directory structures of all maps and all mods are identical |
| 20:21.12 | JademusSreg | Of course, but then such crude overrides are not unheard of with SC2. =D |
| 20:21.26 | JademusSreg | So sounds like a test is in order. |
| 20:22.38 | ArcanePariah | True, I imagine some crude hacks can bypass some parts, but Blizzard isn't stupid or incompetent, they probably just didn't test thoroughly enough for such interactions. The data storage structure though would have been among the first of design decisions, it was probably decided on back in 2008 or so |
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| 20:22.45 | ArcanePariah | or earlier |
| 20:23.30 | ArcanePariah | And like all such early design decisions, they are stuck with it forever, changing it at this point would be infeasible |
| 20:23.41 | Ownage | I'm having an issue where some units which have weapons are not showing the weapon in the info area |
| 20:23.56 | Ownage | what are the requirements for that to be displayed? |
| 20:24.43 | ArcanePariah | Ownage: On the weapon data, you need to set the Damage Display Effect |
| 20:24.52 | ArcanePariah | So it knows which damage effect is referenced |
| 20:25.19 | ArcanePariah | Also the icon needs to be set to display a graphic |
| 20:25.23 | Ownage | I have a trigger which on clicking a unit gives it the stock built in scv fusion cutter weapon |
| 20:25.30 | Ownage | unchanged completely, just to debug |
| 20:25.44 | Ownage | then it text messages the weapon found at slot 1 to confirm it works |
| 20:25.46 | Dzuke911 | once again about map max units limit: minimap can show only smth about 2050 units, on 2100 it start blinking =( |
| 20:26.14 | Ownage | on some units it works as I would expect. on the units in question it tells me the right information but it's not displayed in the info area |
| 20:26.20 | Bommes | Dzuke911: How many abilites do they have? |
| 20:26.23 | Ownage | these units have had their actors swapped |
| 20:26.43 | JademusSreg | Yar, but one cannot rely on one's expectations alone. That's right up there with Aristotle's teleological sophistry influencing the scholasticism that impeded Western proto-science for centuries. =D |
| 20:27.08 | Dzuke911 | нммм most of units about 1700 of them have no abilities at all |
| 20:27.32 | Dzuke911 | they have resource behviors... thay are all gatherable trees |
| 20:28.07 | Dzuke911 | but each of them have 3 behaviors |
| 20:28.25 | JademusSreg | Fewer units, same amount of trees. |
| 20:29.05 | Ownage | ok I think the issue might be that these units start with invalid actor and then I modelswap that |
| 20:29.13 | JademusSreg | Have the unit actor or resource behavior attach tree models at sites around/inside the radius of the unit. |
| 20:29.22 | Dzuke911 | and no matter: i putted 2150 trees or 2000 trees and 150 units with move/attack abilities - minimap start lagging smth about 2050-2100 units on map |
| 20:29.30 | JademusSreg | *simple actor for the resource behavior |
| 20:30.13 | Dzuke911 | does simple actor matter if we talking about minimap? |
| 20:30.35 | JademusSreg | I'll reiterate. |
| 20:30.58 | JademusSreg | "Fewer units, same amount of trees. Have the unit actor or simple actor for the resource behavior attach tree models at sites around/inside the radius of the unit." |
| 20:31.40 | Dzuke911 | ah... and all of my trees have minimap render priority = "Doodads" |
| 20:31.43 | JademusSreg | Rather like how mineral crystals change their anim group in response to the resource value. |
| 20:32.16 | JademusSreg | Alright. We're talking in two different directions, haha, so I'll get back to my code. =D |
| 20:32.24 | JademusSreg | absconds. |
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| 20:34.25 | Ownage | Can I change the actor of a unit with triggers? |
| 20:35.03 | Zolden | Dzuke911 aren't you planning to have 1700 trees on map?\ |
| 20:35.14 | Zolden | I should have asked Renee about trees amoun |
| 20:37.07 | Dzuke911 | yeah |
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| 20:43.11 | Triceron | Ahoy |
| 20:56.56 | Ownage | why does dark templar have a wireframe? |
| 20:57.45 | MoonEater | Jade |
| 20:57.56 | MoonEater | i got a interesting conudrum im trying to work my head around |
| 20:58.03 | MoonEater | u might find it enjoyable |
| 20:58.09 | MoonEater | im sure ill crack it eventualy tho |
| 20:58.14 | Triceron | why wouldn't dark templar have a wireframe? |
| 20:58.21 | Triceron | wireframe indicates damage |
| 20:58.31 | Ownage | I mean |
| 20:58.34 | Ownage | why does it have one at all |
| 20:58.38 | Triceron | uh |
| 20:58.39 | Ownage | look at the actor |
| 20:58.52 | Ownage | wireframe is empty, as is wireframe variations |
| 20:58.52 | Triceron | i still don't get what you mean |
| 20:59.02 | Ownage | I guess I mean, HOW does it have one |
| 20:59.12 | JademusSreg | Moon, wat? |
| 20:59.47 | Triceron | are they tied to the models at all? |
| 20:59.55 | Triceron | since there's 2 random DT models that the unit sources |
| 21:00.05 | Triceron | there could be separate actors for each |
| 21:00.23 | Triceron | each with its own wireframe? |
| 21:00.33 | MoonEater | back |
| 21:00.37 | MoonEater | ok jade check this out |
| 21:00.49 | MoonEater | i have areas of the map that build at random |
| 21:00.55 | MoonEater | and destroy and rebuild |
| 21:01.14 | MoonEater | all bust be inter connected by teleport regions |
| 21:01.52 | MoonEater | There are a very very large number of areas creating an dying dynamicaly |
| 21:02.19 | MoonEater | i have dummy regions in a array on standby to move and shape as needed for the connections |
| 21:02.29 | Ownage | guess I'm not understanding you very well |
| 21:02.31 | MoonEater | the issue is how do i do this on the gly |
| 21:02.57 | Ownage | I have duplicated a dark templar, and to my surprise he has a wireframe, even though it's not specified in data, and I don't see any events to alter it |
| 21:03.00 | MoonEater | i need a entry point and a exit point that are linked |
| 21:03.03 | MoonEater | moved in random |
| 21:03.15 | MoonEater | and one side may not be created untill |
| 21:03.24 | MoonEater | the player transverses the link |
| 21:03.34 | Ownage | the variation you're talking about looks like a model to me |
| 21:03.56 | MoonEater | so basically |
| 21:04.10 | MoonEater | i need a recieving pad for a location that doesnt exist untill it needed |
| 21:04.27 | MoonEater | and sort through this region stack array |
| 21:05.20 | Ownage | MoonEater, I'm not grasping where the difficulty is |
| 21:05.32 | MoonEater | the deployment of the design |
| 21:05.39 | Ownage | you have a bunch of pairs of regions you want related and to take actions on them always together right |
| 21:05.54 | MoonEater | well |
| 21:06.00 | MoonEater | i cant premake the regions |
| 21:06.01 | Ownage | so make two arrays and use the index as the joining field |
| 21:06.03 | MoonEater | in all combinations |
| 21:06.06 | MoonEater | too many todo |
| 21:06.20 | Ownage | that concept still works |
| 21:06.22 | MoonEater | i a stack of empty unused regions ready to be reused |
| 21:06.27 | Ownage | right |
| 21:06.50 | MoonEater | i think the diffuculty is me, making ti too difficult in my head XD |
| 21:06.59 | Ownage | so assign them to two arrays, a[0-x] and b[0-x] |
| 21:07.17 | Ownage | when you want to do something with a[24] you know it's partner is b[24] |
| 21:07.23 | Ownage | no overlap and no conflicts |
| 21:07.38 | JademusSreg | No difficult to solve, but not gonna try to wedge a solution into a morass. =D |
| 21:07.53 | MoonEater | lolz |
| 21:07.57 | MoonEater | its triggers not data |
| 21:08.03 | MoonEater | not as inept as u think |
| 21:08.28 | JademusSreg | Non sequiturs abound. |
| 21:08.56 | Ownage | I still don't know why dark templar has a wireframe |
| 21:09.05 | Ownage | do you know why, jade? |
| 21:09.13 | Ownage | or HOW, I should say |
| 21:09.26 | JademusSreg | Anyway, there's no reason to destroy regions. Create the pairs and link them via trigger from the start. Scale and position as needed. |
| 21:09.32 | JademusSreg | Own, they have variations. |
| 21:09.44 | JademusSreg | It's a specific field for it, in the unit actor. |
| 21:10.02 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/DataView.png |
| 21:10.11 | Ownage | oh I see |
| 21:10.29 | JademusSreg | Much easier to find shit with this view option configuration. =D |
| 21:10.38 | MoonEater | lozl |
| 21:10.40 | MoonEater | jade |
| 21:10.44 | MoonEater | ur documentation |
| 21:10.48 | MoonEater | u should call it |
| 21:10.57 | MoonEater | the Programmers guide to galaxy |
| 21:11.07 | MoonEater | like the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy |
| 21:11.23 | JademusSreg | Hah, but naw. Also, the point is that it wouldn't be -mine-. |
| 21:11.43 | MoonEater | it would be the publishing corperation of ursa minor? |
| 21:12.30 | MoonEater | can u elaborate more on the documentation? |
| 21:12.43 | MoonEater | sounds like |
| 21:13.09 | MoonEater | sc2mapster is the encyclopedia galatic |
| 21:13.22 | MoonEater | and ur making the programmers guide to galaxy |
| 21:14.23 | Ownage | sometimes I feel like JademusSreg has a list of uncommon words, then he says stuff just to plug them |
| 21:14.41 | JademusSreg | Yes, because that would be a fabulous use of my time. |
| 21:14.43 | MoonEater | +1 ownage |
| 21:14.43 | Ownage | then I remember I'm American and that's probably the source of this feeling |
| 21:14.56 | MoonEater | +1 ownage |
| 21:14.59 | Ownage | haha |
| 21:15.08 | MoonEater | i swear |
| 21:15.13 | Dustin | there's nothing wrong with an expansive vocabulary. |
| 21:15.15 | MoonEater | ima make a score keeper bot |
| 21:15.22 | MoonEater | and count all my +1's |
| 21:15.24 | Ownage | every time someone uses an uncommon word I have it built in to think they're showing off |
| 21:15.53 | ArcanePariah | Dustin: True, but just like certain coding styles, use of said vocabulary at the expense of comprehension is not worth it usually |
| 21:16.43 | Dustin | That's the beauty of it, you don't have to use it all the time. So you've got a wider audience in which you can relate information. |
| 21:17.28 | ArcanePariah | Agreed, it is a better tool, but like any tool, it has it time and place, and true wisdom/experience is knowing when to use said tools |
| 21:18.02 | ArcanePariah | Or a gift, which sadly has been used for good (Abraham Lincoln) and evil (Adolf Hitler) |
| 21:18.10 | Dustin | I would agree with that whole heartidly. |
| 21:18.17 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 21:18.27 | Kueken | a mention of Hitler not done by Zolden |
| 21:18.30 | Kueken | what happened? |
| 21:18.30 | Dustin | lol |
| 21:18.34 | Dustin | He's slacking |
| 21:18.43 | JademusSreg | Insecurity is a natural state of being; one imagines it aids in survival, at least more than suicidal overconfidence. |
| 21:19.08 | Kueken | so that means I am just EXTREMELY natural? :D |
| 21:20.04 | JademusSreg | Personally, I hold myself to a standard, that I should never give in to the intellectual laziness of routine expression, because communication ought to be authentic, engaging, stimulating, never-fucking-ever a habituated scripted interaction.While people may generally have trouble understanding my expressions, it's preferable to being understood but hating the bilious words of one's mouth. |
| 21:20.05 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:20.22 | ArcanePariah | JademusSreg: Agreed, a base human instinct is to resolve all entities into one of two groups: Us or Them, and Them is always a hostile unknown to be weary of |
| 21:20.25 | Ownage | I accept that senten---- NO |
| 21:20.30 | Ownage | bilious?! |
| 21:20.43 | Ownage | Salt on the wound! |
| 21:21.02 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 21:21.18 | Kueken | Ownage: the appropriate response would be: |
| 21:21.24 | Kueken | STFU n00b |
| 21:21.30 | ArcanePariah | I still find it fascinating that despite his moral position, just how gifted Hitler was at oratory |
| 21:21.32 | Ownage | haha yeah |
| 21:21.43 | Ownage | err, that would be towards Kueken not the nazi |
| 21:21.55 | Ownage | for any future reporters viewing this log :) |
| 21:21.57 | ArcanePariah | WWII era had quite a few gifted orators |
| 21:22.00 | MoonEater | wow |
| 21:22.01 | MoonEater | jade... |
| 21:22.04 | MoonEater | no.... |
| 21:22.06 | Kueken | are you sure those 2 things are mutually exclusive? :p |
| 21:25.21 | MoonEater | omg |
| 21:25.22 | Zolden | Kueken i'm too exhausted of mapmaking to even read your conversations |
| 21:25.35 | MoonEater | Jade!!! i cant put any region for region NOOZ!!! |
| 21:25.43 | Kueken | stop bitching and make a hitler joke |
| 21:25.53 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 21:26.08 | MoonEater | Jade |
| 21:26.12 | MoonEater | how to event functions work |
| 21:26.19 | MoonEater | i need to remake enters region |
| 21:26.28 | MoonEater | do they run continously? |
| 21:26.29 | MoonEater | or |
| 21:26.30 | MoonEater | what? |
| 21:27.04 | MoonEater | cause there is no info on the forums about them |
| 21:27.30 | MoonEater | they dont even require a return |
| 21:28.17 | MoonEater | OH NOOZ HES IGNORING MEH!! |
| 21:28.23 | JademusSreg | Moon, I'm not entirely confident your messages would pass a Turing test. |
| 21:28.51 | MoonEater | well |
| 21:29.06 | Zolden | ok, once hitler entered a room, and found to officers making gay sex on his table. "I wish you make war as good as you make love", he said with a sad voice, so one of the officers cried. He knew, that the war is over, and was on the cocain. He once sucked for cocain and since then got involved in gay sex relationships with other officers. Hitler knew about reischtag gay situation, but never cared while attacks were successful, and it was too late to do something |
| 21:29.24 | MoonEater | Jade, how does a event function start? |
| 21:29.28 | MoonEater | does it always run? |
| 21:29.47 | MoonEater | does it have to be started by an established event in a trigger? |
| 21:30.20 | Zolden | Kueken how to spell reischtag? |
| 21:30.22 | Kueken | Zolden: I totally don't get it, but okay |
| 21:30.26 | Kueken | reichstag |
| 21:30.28 | JademusSreg | To what do you refer? Custom events (like custom actions/functions)? |
| 21:30.48 | MoonEater | yes |
| 21:31.07 | Zolden | Kueken hitler jokes aren't very simple, and usually are postmodernistic, which means not fun and senceless |
| 21:31.29 | Zolden | even hitler never got any hitler jokes |
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| 21:31.37 | JademusSreg | They exist to initialize values to be passed to the event register's parameters. |
| 21:31.47 | Zolden | he was jsut sitting silently surround by laughing officers |
| 21:32.01 | Kueken | and then he usually shot the ones who laughed |
| 21:32.23 | Zolden | it was one of the reasons he was in bad mood and made bad strategic decisions, which ended up with defeat in war |
| 21:33.03 | MoonEater | jade you mean like add triggering's players mother to the underlying variables? |
| 21:33.04 | Zolden | no, he never was cruel to his officers, even when they acted like dicks, he was a wise european leader, not like asian monsters like stalin |
| 21:33.04 | MoonEater | or |
| 21:33.22 | MoonEater | adding more infomation options to the event it self |
| 21:33.23 | Zolden | stalin could even kill his guy for hitler joke |
| 21:33.27 | MoonEater | like all regions |
| 21:33.31 | MoonEater | options |
| 21:39.46 | Ownage | can someone help me read the wireframe value from catalog |
| 21:39.58 | Ownage | the gui gives you Wireframe.Image which doesn't work for me |
| 21:40.09 | Ownage | I also tried Wireframe[0].Image and Wireframe.Image[0] |
| 21:46.05 | Ownage | is there some kind of catalog browser |
| 21:47.45 | Kueken | Wireframe[0].Image[0] should do it |
| 21:47.50 | ArcanePariah | Ownage: If you use the function catalog reference get, that gives you roughly what you want to browse through the data catalogs |
| 21:48.17 | Kueken | although it should work without the last [0] |
| 21:48.17 | ArcanePariah | Also, what are we trying to change on the wireframe? The model used for it? |
| 21:51.38 | Kueken | string GetUnitWireFrame(int id){ return CatalogFieldValueGet(c_gameCatalogActor,s,"Wireframe.Image[0]",c_playerAny); |
| 21:51.48 | Kueken | that was a function I used for that |
| 21:52.03 | Kueken | so apparently Wireframe.Image[0] |
| 21:52.52 | Ownage | definitely doesn't work with Wireframe.Image |
| 21:53.31 | Ownage | Debug - Display (Text((Value of Actors SCV Wireframe.Image for player Any Player)))... <-- errors that it can't read |
| 21:54.33 | Ownage | yeah hmm ok Image[0] works with that debug |
| 21:54.47 | Ownage | so must be another issue with my other trigg, thanks |
| 21:54.51 | Ownage | stupid ass editor... |
| 21:56.38 | Kueken | if its a field you can change, you can always use an upgrade to modify, the look at that upgrade in raw data or xml view |
| 21:56.44 | Kueken | it will have the correct path |
| 22:00.45 | Ownage | an upgrade can change via catalog? or what do you mean |
| 22:01.23 | Kueken | upgrade and catalog changes are essentially the same thing |
| 22:01.37 | Kueken | they work of the same principle and they use the same path |
| 22:02.23 | Kueken | if you click your way through an upgrade to make it modify whatever field you need, you can then check the path generated by the data editor by looking up XML data |
| 22:02.36 | Kueken | which matches the path you need for your catalog triggers |
| 22:03.08 | Kueken | this doesn't work for all fields, though, since many fields are read-only and cannot be selected in an upgrade |
| 22:03.22 | Kueken | but you can still read them in triggers |
| 22:12.12 | Zolden | but you can still read them in hitlers |
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| 22:16.01 | Ownage | sorry this piece of crap crashed |
| 22:17.11 | Kueken | :-* |
| 22:17.13 | Ownage | thanks Kueken that's what I needed |
| 22:17.28 | Ownage | I was trying to do it with object references in text module which sucked |
| 22:17.35 | Ownage | this one clearly shows the path :) |
| 22:17.42 | Ownage | Reference="Actor,SCV,Wireframe.Image[0]" |
| 22:18.14 | Kueken | for read-only fields, the text stuff is probably your best shot |
| 22:18.32 | Kueken | or, you know, just look up the path in xml/raw data in the object itself :) |
| 22:27.07 | Ownage | howso |
| 22:27.19 | Ownage | This is all I see for dark templar |
| 22:27.40 | Ownage | <CActorUnit id="DarkTemplar"> |
| 22:27.41 | Ownage | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.41 | Ownage | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.41 | Ownage | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.18 | Ownage | hmm, is there an easy way to just replace all of the entries nested |
| 22:35.30 | Ownage | right now I have to literally go down the whole list like |
| 22:36.07 | Ownage | WireframehieldVariations[0].Image[0], WireframehieldVariations[0].Image[1],WireframehieldVariations[0].Image[2]WireframehieldVariations[0].Image[3],WireframehieldVariations[0].Number[0]... it's a lot |
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| 22:41.19 | Kueken | Well, not sure what you want to do with it, but you could set up a nested loop with string arrays |
| 22:43.12 | Kueken | in pseudo string {"Image","Number",...} for i,j < 3,x do "WireframeShieldVariations[0]."+string[j]+".[i]" |
| 22:43.40 | Kueken | if you get what I mean |
| 22:44.12 | Ownage | yeah, that's what I wanted to avoid but might as well |
| 22:44.18 | Kueken | also for your Dark Templar, use Raw Data Viev instead (ctrl + d) or change the source |
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| 22:53.43 | Deathbringer | Soul |
| 22:53.48 | Deathbringer | You get my message on Skype? |
| 22:54.45 | MoonEater | WHA!? |
| 22:55.10 | Deathbringer | You get the message? |
| 22:55.21 | MoonEater | im am doing a very very complicated set of interlocking triggers |
| 22:55.27 | MoonEater | im too busy to help |
| 22:55.34 | MoonEater | ask kueken |
| 22:55.56 | Zolden | soul eater and death bringer, what a nice couple |
| 22:55.59 | Deathbringer | No dude, I just need the file you gave me |
| 22:56.11 | Deathbringer | Give me the url you uploaded. |
| 22:56.16 | Deathbringer | Through whisper. |
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| 23:00.32 | MoonEater | JADE!!! |
| 23:00.33 | MoonEater | AHAHAHA |
| 23:02.28 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.34 | JademusSreg | Also, Frost is back. =D |
| 23:02.48 | Deathbringer | Soul, could you please send me the url? |
| 23:03.06 | MoonEater | http://pastebin.com/pK0sMHEp |
| 23:03.17 | MoonEater | JADE |
| 23:03.19 | MoonEater | CLICK LINK |
| 23:04.07 | JademusSreg | Wow, never heard of a "pharsing error". Pretty cool. |
| 23:04.22 | MoonEater | lol |
| 23:04.25 | MoonEater | jade |
| 23:04.31 | MoonEater | look at line 23 |
| 23:04.50 | MoonEater | then look at struct gs_RegionGroup { |
| 23:05.31 | JademusSreg | It's causing a syntax error because the struct definition is below where it is being used. |
| 23:05.47 | MoonEater | i know |
| 23:05.49 | MoonEater | its funy |
| 23:06.03 | MoonEater | i cant fix it |
| 23:06.08 | MoonEater | XD |
| 23:06.28 | JademusSreg | Move the others to be above the one using em. |
| 23:07.26 | Kueken | funny that pure Gui is capable of producing compiler errors, nothing new though |
| 23:07.35 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:07.39 | MoonEater | yep |
| 23:26.03 | Ownage | anyone know if anyone has written a function to clone all the actor values from one to another? |
| 23:26.15 | Ownage | I'm realizing this is somewhat of a daunting task |
| 23:26.54 | Kueken | what do you need it for? |
| 23:27.08 | JademusSreg | CreateCopy message? (Is that a thing? I forget.) |
| 23:27.23 | Kueken | there is a message like that |
| 23:27.32 | Kueken | not sure how to use it properly |
| 23:28.00 | Deathbringer | I need help, when the game starts the minimap doesn't want to show. http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3243 |
| 23:28.06 | Ownage | what I mean is given 2 unit TYPES, I want to in effect give unit B unit A's actor |
| 23:28.56 | Kueken | it should be possible to just destroy unit b's actor and create a unit A actor in its scope |
| 23:29.10 | Deathbringer | Kueken, mind helping me? |
| 23:29.13 | Ownage | these are unit types |
| 23:29.22 | Ownage | Deathbringer, start by using arrays, sheesh |
| 23:29.23 | JademusSreg | Frost, cinematic mode or did you hide the parent frame? |
| 23:29.52 | Deathbringer | Wait what? I just need help cause the minimap doesnt want to show and I'm telling it to show. |
| 23:29.57 | Deathbringer | The voting system works fine now |
| 23:30.13 | JademusSreg | Don't have eonugh information to be certain what's going on before the trigger. |
| 23:30.47 | Deathbringer | What do you mean? |
| 23:30.51 | Deathbringer | The only thing I need to add is |
| 23:30.52 | Deathbringer | UI - Show Minimap Panel for (All players) |
| 23:30.56 | Deathbringer | But it doesnt show. |
| 23:31.10 | Kueken | tried to use that by itself? |
| 23:31.23 | Ownage | replace the whole action section with just that |
| 23:31.25 | Deathbringer | Yeah |
| 23:32.00 | Deathbringer | Thats an idea Ownage. |
| 23:32.03 | Ownage | you might want to set that action to a debug trigger so you don't have to wait while you debug it too |
| 23:32.30 | Ownage | player selects unit -> hide it. player unselects unit -> show it |
| 23:32.40 | Ownage | then at least you can verify that is working, without waiting around and such |
| 23:33.36 | Ownage | iterating the actor catalog is kind of annoying. has anyone written iteration for this kind of thing before? |
| 23:34.10 | Ownage | and/or is there a way to grab all of the entries and subentries together as a tree and assign them to another? |
| 23:34.39 | Kueken | don't think so |
| 23:35.00 | Kueken | if its for a unit type, why not do the individual actor replacement for each unit |
| 23:35.20 | Ownage | as far as I know you can't change an actor with triggers |
| 23:35.29 | Ownage | if you know a way that would save my day |
| 23:35.47 | Ownage | modelswap isn't sufficient for me |
| 23:35.48 | Kueken | pretty sure you can. |
| 23:36.10 | Kueken | send a destroy message to main unit actor, then create a new actor in the scope of the unit |
| 23:36.26 | Ownage | what do you mean in the scope of |
| 23:36.29 | Kueken | didn't try it myself, but in theory it should work |
| 23:36.41 | Ownage | I previously tried destroy and create unit attached at origin but that didn't work out |
| 23:36.49 | Kueken | every actor is created in a scope |
| 23:36.52 | Ownage | create actor attached at* |
| 23:37.15 | Kueken | okay, let me try it first, before I accidentaly spread misinformation |
| 23:37.38 | Ownage | I do find a trigger for making actor scope, but I don't understand it |
| 23:38.28 | Ownage | oh do you mean create actor in the scop (actor scope for unit) ? |
| 23:40.45 | Deathbringer | How do you hide an Alert Ping? |
| 23:40.53 | Deathbringer | The one when your alli is under attack? |
| 23:41.36 | Ownage | hmm that kind of works, however the armor seems wrong |
| 23:43.12 | MoonEater | damn |
| 23:43.20 | MoonEater | cant resize regions from triggers |
| 23:44.04 | Ownage | you can make it larger |
| 23:46.14 | Kueken | so Ownage it seems to work flawlessly |
| 23:46.19 | Kueken | whats with your armor? |
| 23:48.51 | Ownage | mine's a bit screwed up |
| 23:48.55 | Ownage | what are you swapping with what |
| 23:49.50 | Ownage | let me back up and tell you what I have |
| 23:50.12 | Ownage | I'm trying to make a bunch of buildings with no actors and make them on the fly, based on their spawn units |
| 23:50.38 | Ownage | after all it's pointless in my map to have all these actors for buildings when the spawn units already have the exact same ones basically, plus it sounds neat to me |
| 23:51.03 | Ownage | so originally I was just using modelswap |
| 23:51.15 | Ownage | that was bad because the armor was wrong and so forth |
| 23:51.29 | Ownage | so then I was destroying the default actor and making a new actor on origin |
| 23:51.43 | Ownage | the problem there is that it didn't show weapons, and didn't show armor updates |
| 23:52.18 | Ownage | so then finally I made a test actor for 1 of the buildings, assuming I was forced to make at least dummy actors for the buildinngs and set the catalog entries to match the spawn units |
| 23:52.34 | Deathbringer | Hey |
| 23:52.48 | Deathbringer | Does anyone know how do disable the Pings that occurs when an Alli is attack? |
| 23:52.52 | Ownage | so anyway the state right now is I have a single building with a dummy actor, which I want to replace with it's spawn actor, such that it's exactly like that spawn was there |
| 23:52.58 | Deathbringer | ? |
| 23:53.02 | Ownage | Deathbringer, disable it with trigger |
| 23:53.05 | Ahli | Deathbringer: alerts |
| 23:53.26 | Deathbringer | Ik with trigger but idk what trigger. |
| 23:53.28 | Ownage | there are a bunch of them, you probably want the ones that are race based |
| 23:53.28 | Ahli | what ownage said works, or you edit the alerts in data... (triggers might be faster) |
| 23:53.36 | Deathbringer | Ik triggers |
| 23:53.48 | Ownage | type alert in the trigger action box |
| 23:53.53 | Ownage | it's quite obvious which one it is |
| 23:54.03 | Ownage | show/hide alert type ;) |
| 23:54.26 | Ownage | or you can turn them off in editor if you never want them |
| 23:54.29 | Deathbringer | Ik I tried that, but idk what alert. |
| 23:54.41 | Deathbringer | Idk what alert to look up? |
| 23:55.00 | Ownage | attackunit |
| 23:55.02 | Ownage | attacktown |
| 23:55.02 | Kueken | okay, so your buildings start spawning units and as soon as a unit is spawned you want the building to get the actor of the unit? |
| 23:55.09 | Ownage | attackally etc |
| 23:55.17 | Ownage | no |
| 23:55.24 | Ownage | as soon as building is placed |
| 23:55.37 | Ownage | I know already which spawn it will make, so I want it to look like that unit |
| 23:55.53 | Ownage | however the spawn buildings themselves have the same armor and weapons and life etc of the spawn unit |
| 23:55.53 | Deathbringer | Kk, I hope it works. |
| 23:56.00 | Ownage | so a simple modelswap won't work out |
| 23:56.19 | Ownage | currently what I have based on what you said is this |
| 23:56.31 | Kueken | armor, weapons and life etc are not handled by actors, so just replacing the actor won't suffice as well |
| 23:56.44 | Ownage | what do you mean, what are they handled by? |
| 23:56.59 | Kueken | the unit type itself, of course |
| 23:57.16 | Kueken | actors only handle visuals, nothing that actually affects gameplay |
| 23:57.26 | Ownage | that's what I'm talking about |
| 23:57.33 | Ownage | here let me show you |
| 23:59.10 | Ownage | http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/811/ecgn.jpg/ |
| 23:59.30 | Ownage | the scv weapon is correct, I added that for debugging |
| 23:59.40 | Ownage | but you'll notice the armor is screwed up |
