| 00:02.44 | Zolden | Triceron yea, it worked |
| 00:02.54 | Triceron | could you recolor it? |
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| 00:03.14 | Triceron | actually I guess you're just using green color |
| 00:03.22 | Triceron | and the normal and alphas from bloodsplat |
| 00:03.55 | XibaD | hii |
| 00:06.10 | rtschutter | does anybody know if there is a database with sc2 icons in png format? |
| 00:06.19 | XibaD | hi guys |
| 00:06.42 | Kueken | :) |
| 00:06.45 | XibaD | is possible to create a weapon for a unit that is "uninterrupted" |
| 00:07.12 | Kueken | in which sense? |
| 00:07.18 | XibaD | for example |
| 00:07.41 | XibaD | a unit attacks with its weapon, shoots 10 missiles and the attack loop starts again |
| 00:07.54 | XibaD | but if you move it during the 10 missile shot the attack is cancelled |
| 00:07.58 | XibaD | I want to avoid that |
| 00:08.17 | XibaD | I want the unit to behave like the phoenix using graviton for example, that queues the movement |
| 00:08.29 | Kueken | so you want it to always shoot at least 10 missiles even if you give another order |
| 00:08.39 | XibaD | I know that with a effect target ability can be achieved with the channeling thing, but not with standard attack |
| 00:08.44 | XibaD | yes |
| 00:09.03 | Otixa | in other news |
| 00:09.13 | Otixa | my gf bought me a raspberry pi |
| 00:09.21 | Otixa | installing arch on it now :D |
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| 00:09.54 | Zolden | Triceron yea, i'm using green, that i'm trying to adjust closer to the body |
| 00:10.00 | Kueken | so with an ability you would go persistent -> check channeled and check the uninterruptible flag for channeled on the ability |
| 00:10.17 | Kueken | and for a weapon you don't have this uninterruptible flag, which is your problem |
| 00:10.22 | XibaD | there are no such flags in the attack ability |
| 00:10.24 | XibaD | yeah |
| 00:10.35 | XibaD | there's a uninterruptible flag |
| 00:10.37 | Kueken | okay |
| 00:10.41 | XibaD | in the weapon legacy options |
| 00:10.49 | XibaD | but doesn't seem to be useful |
| 00:10.51 | Kueken | yes, it behaves differently, I am aware |
| 00:10.54 | XibaD | ok |
| 00:11.38 | Kueken | okay, you can try to stun the unit while performing the persistent, with a behavior |
| 00:11.54 | Kueken | in this case you wouldn't check the channeled flag |
| 00:12.05 | XibaD | mmm |
| 00:12.16 | XibaD | ok |
| 00:12.23 | XibaD | and how should I do that? |
| 00:12.31 | Zolden | Triceron http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/44/441/slime_death.gif |
| 00:12.52 | Triceron | Muuuch slimier :D |
| 00:12.56 | Zolden | yea |
| 00:13.00 | Zolden | best i can do |
| 00:13.05 | Kueken | just set up the weapon as usual with your persistent, make it non-channeled, so it executes 10 missiles even if you order to move away |
| 00:13.15 | Kueken | then create a stun behavior |
| 00:13.44 | Kueken | which should be as easy as setting a "stunned" flag in said behavior |
| 00:13.52 | Otixa | Zolden, make it not rotate when it hits the ground ;p |
| 00:14.09 | Kueken | and use the persistent's start and end effects to apply and remove said behavior |
| 00:14.17 | Zolden | ok |
| 00:14.45 | Kueken | thats the first approach that came to mind, it might not be perfect |
| 00:14.53 | Kueken | try if it works out |
| 00:14.57 | XibaD | yes |
| 00:15.04 | XibaD | but it's a solution |
| 00:15.09 | XibaD | thank you |
| 00:15.14 | XibaD | I'm going to try it out |
| 00:15.18 | JademusSreg | nDo |
| 00:15.49 | Kueken | thats unusual |
| 00:16.03 | JademusSreg | Ever get those normal maps working, Xib? |
| 00:16.04 | Otixa | JademusSreg, wut about it? |
| 00:16.51 | Otixa | archlinux install 80% :D |
| 00:16.55 | MoonEater | omg |
| 00:16.58 | MoonEater | not that shit |
| 00:17.04 | MoonEater | archlinux is garbage |
| 00:17.14 | Otixa | fuck off and die >=[ |
| 00:17.24 | Otixa | what then? ubuntu? ;DDD |
| 00:17.35 | Zolden | Otixa not completele not rotate, but slowing it helped |
| 00:17.48 | Otixa | nods |
| 00:17.49 | MoonEater | ubuntu is a fat kid eating cake |
| 00:17.58 | MoonEater | and archlinux and a anerexic model |
| 00:18.03 | ArcanePariah | lawl |
| 00:18.05 | Otixa | arch is lean and mean |
| 00:18.12 | MoonEater | lean not mean |
| 00:18.15 | MoonEater | lean and nerfed |
| 00:18.15 | ArcanePariah | So... what is Gentoo? |
| 00:18.23 | MoonEater | im still a fan a debain |
| 00:18.24 | Otixa | hits ArcanePariah |
| 00:18.27 | ArcanePariah | or Redhat? |
| 00:18.31 | ArcanePariah | ahaahah |
| 00:18.32 | Otixa | Debian is as bloated as noobuntu |
| 00:18.33 | XibaD | btw Kueken, how to remove a behavior applying an effect? |
| 00:18.37 | MoonEater | not the rich kid |
| 00:18.43 | MoonEater | redhat is a joke |
| 00:18.55 | ArcanePariah | Define "joke" |
| 00:18.58 | MoonEater | and debian isnt nearly as bloated as ubuntu |
| 00:18.59 | Kueken | how about a "Remove Behavior" effect? :D |
| 00:19.01 | Otixa | ooh, it's booting :D |
| 00:19.12 | MoonEater | if i wanted linux for a server |
| 00:19.16 | XibaD | lol ok |
| 00:19.16 | Otixa | it lives! :D |
| 00:19.17 | MoonEater | i would consider arch linux |
| 00:19.18 | MoonEater | but |
| 00:19.23 | Kueken | you can also just match up the duration with the persistent |
| 00:19.27 | Otixa | Well, I'm using it for a server ;P |
| 00:19.28 | MoonEater | for random shit its debain |
| 00:19.30 | Otixa | herpderp |
| 00:19.33 | XibaD | yea |
| 00:19.38 | MoonEater | XD |
| 00:19.41 | MoonEater | then your good |
| 00:20.03 | ArcanePariah | Well Redhat is about the support, the OS is almost secondary, all about being able to call up RH and have them custom job a patch just for you |
| 00:20.31 | MoonEater | red hat is almost as bad as mac |
| 00:20.35 | MoonEater | Unix is free |
| 00:20.40 | MoonEater | stop trying to charge for it |
| 00:20.43 | ArcanePariah | lol |
| 00:20.45 | Otixa | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10032576/raspberry/20131015_031237.jpg |
| 00:20.45 | MoonEater | dont care about ur support |
| 00:20.49 | Otixa | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10032576/raspberry/20131015_031248.jpg |
| 00:20.50 | Otixa | :D |
| 00:20.51 | ArcanePariah | lol |
| 00:20.58 | ArcanePariah | UNix is free as long as your time is worth nothing |
| 00:21.11 | MoonEater | ^ LOL |
| 00:21.18 | MoonEater | Archane +1 |
| 00:21.19 | MoonEater | XD |
| 00:21.54 | Otixa | goes to find an ethernet cable |
| 00:21.54 | ArcanePariah | Also, the reality is, no support = banned, if not illegal in some places, liability reasons |
| 00:21.56 | MoonEater | Otixa, no wonder why ur usign arch linux, u cant use anything else |
| 00:22.27 | Otixa | Sure I can |
| 00:22.29 | Otixa | :P |
| 00:22.53 | MoonEater | like puppy linux? |
| 00:22.55 | MoonEater | XD |
| 00:23.08 | Otixa | iunno, any arm linux |
| 00:23.14 | ArcanePariah | could go with DSL (Damm Small Linux).... |
| 00:23.14 | Otixa | but I like muh arch |
| 00:23.21 | Otixa | used to it by now |
| 00:23.27 | Otixa | We have it running on all our servers |
| 00:23.59 | Otixa | Now to make myself a sweet ass DLNA server |
| 00:24.10 | ArcanePariah | Sigh... does it ever drive anyone nuts when you see old code that you know could have been done WAY more simply.... |
| 00:25.33 | MoonEater | duno |
| 00:25.39 | MoonEater | looks like a pritty wimpy server |
| 00:25.54 | MoonEater | ArcanePariah yes |
| 00:25.58 | MoonEater | very much so |
| 00:26.15 | MoonEater | or code too simple that needs functionality that was never accounted for |
| 00:26.30 | Otixa | w00t! |
| 00:26.32 | Otixa | it boots! |
| 00:27.05 | ArcanePariah | imagines image of Otixia bowing to his newborn server or hugging it |
| 00:28.59 | JademusSreg | resumes stuff. |
| 00:29.56 | MoonEater | is not interested in retarded circuitboards with dreams of being a full server |
| 00:30.02 | ArcanePariah | Ok, dumb question, is there a way to create a random actor from one event? Say an effect runs at a point, I want to (in data) create a random actor from a set list of actors. |
| 00:30.19 | MoonEater | veriaction |
| 00:30.22 | MoonEater | variation |
| 00:30.24 | MoonEater | like doodadsa |
| 00:35.42 | ArcanePariah | I take it no one truly understands all the ins and outs of the Actor system and thus no one has a comprehensive guide explaining the various fields and more importantly, what the different values mean? |
| 00:36.30 | Kueken | Actors are such a massive field, a generic guide explaining everything would be MASSIVE |
| 00:37.05 | Kueken | do you need random actors or would random model on the same actor suffice? |
| 00:37.12 | ArcanePariah | True, but an explainatio on how the references works, how using SetRefFromMsg, and things like it, would be helpful |
| 00:37.28 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... random actors, they use differnt models and scales |
| 00:37.29 | Kueken | yes indeed |
| 00:38.08 | Kueken | well, you can make huge PassChance and ModelSwap constructs |
| 00:38.27 | ArcanePariah | I'm going to guess I need to somehow use references along with an actor list, and grab a actor at random from said list, and use it as a reference for a create message |
| 00:40.01 | Kueken | I don't see how you would do that in data |
| 00:42.11 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... can't do random, but can do rotating set pretty easily |
| 00:43.11 | Kueken | what do you have in mind? |
| 00:45.54 | ArcanePariah | Oh, I create an actor list, and add all 4 actors to it, and also create a status. On every run of the damage effect, increment the status. Then on every run of the damage effect, based on the status, change a custom reference to the Actor I wwant to create, and then on status update, send a create message with that reference |
| 00:46.45 | Kueken | then you might as well use PassChance to use a random status |
| 00:47.42 | ArcanePariah | Whats pass chance? |
| 00:47.42 | Kueken | it would be annoying to set up, but it would work |
| 00:47.48 | Kueken | pass chance is a term |
| 00:47.51 | ArcanePariah | Oh ok |
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| 00:48.03 | Kueken | essentially its a chance that the message is executed |
| 00:48.25 | Kueken | you can go Actor Creation -> PassChance 50 -> ModelSwap |
| 00:48.37 | Fate_ | baahhh i cant sleep -.- |
| 00:48.38 | ArcanePariah | Ahh I see, so I could use pass chance to set the status |
| 00:48.41 | Kueken | which would give you 2 variations on the model |
| 00:49.39 | Kueken | problem with pass chance is that its procedural |
| 00:49.57 | ArcanePariah | Yes, condtional probability |
| 00:50.01 | ArcanePariah | conditional* |
| 00:50.26 | ArcanePariah | Putting 3 50% pass chances won't work, last one would pass like 1/10 times or so |
| 00:50.55 | ArcanePariah | Also pass chance gives the impression that it is negative probability, a chance for the message NOT to happen |
| 00:51.57 | Kueken | it will always execute all chances |
| 00:52.13 | Kueken | so if the last is 50% it will always be 50% the last |
| 00:52.22 | Kueken | but the first get compromised |
| 00:53.04 | Kueken | for example to have a 1 in 3 chance, first needs to be 100%, 2nd 50%, 3rd 33% |
| 00:53.59 | Kueken | if you get what I am saying xD |
| 00:54.20 | ArcanePariah | Uggh, sounds ugly, the only way to make them mutually exclusive would be to increment a status on successful pass, and then check that status for every other message as to ignore if you already succeeded earlier |
| 00:54.33 | Kueken | yeah |
| 00:54.44 | Kueken | which would be even uglier : |
| 00:54.44 | Kueken | D |
| 00:55.15 | Kueken | for the sake of readability and management, I would outsource this to triggers |
| 02:06.11 | Otixa | oi |
| 02:06.13 | Otixa | JademusSreg |
| 02:06.15 | Otixa | you there? |
| 02:06.24 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 02:06.51 | Otixa | Got any experience netwroking between different OS types? |
| 02:07.16 | Otixa | Can't access a win7 machine from either XP or ArchLinux for some reason |
| 02:07.41 | JademusSreg | Unfortunately, networking is truly my weakest technical area, haha. |
| 02:07.48 | Otixa | :< |
| 02:08.05 | Otixa | Need another machine for testing... |
| 02:08.14 | Otixa | This reminds me of one old xkcd strip ;p |
| 02:08.28 | JademusSreg | I'd expect Dustin would have experience sufficient to answer such questions. |
| 02:08.35 | Otixa | http://xkcd.com/349/ |
| 02:08.40 | Triceron | omg zremesher is so awesome |
| 02:08.47 | Otixa | Triceron, told ya ;p |
| 02:08.53 | Otixa | insta lowpoly |
| 02:08.55 | Otixa | hurr |
| 02:08.58 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 02:09.06 | Triceron | dynamesh, finally! |
| 02:09.12 | JademusSreg | Never heard Tri so excited about -anything- before. |
| 02:09.47 | Otixa | It's fine |
| 02:10.06 | Otixa | When I first found out about zRemesher I had this face for like an hour -> :o |
| 02:10.16 | Triceron | i just sculpted a head from a sphere, and pressed a button and it low-polied itself |
| 02:10.26 | Otixa | inorite! :D |
| 02:10.36 | Otixa | Actually |
| 02:10.39 | Otixa | Triceron, same question |
| 02:10.43 | Otixa | points up |
| 02:10.57 | Triceron | now i'm going in with dynamesh for more detail |
| 02:11.26 | Triceron | networking Q's? |
| 02:11.37 | Otixa | Can't seem to access my laptop :( |
| 02:11.46 | Triceron | sorry, no clue there |
| 02:11.55 | Otixa | sighs |
| 02:11.57 | Otixa | Dustin |
| 02:12.20 | Triceron | maybe if you use Win8 it'd fix your problems |
| 02:12.27 | Otixa | Maybe |
| 02:12.31 | Triceron | laughs maniacally |
| 02:12.33 | Otixa | And it'd create a bunch more ;p |
| 02:12.42 | Otixa | Actually, I have win8 on my other laptop |
| 02:12.47 | Otixa | goes to dig it out |
| 02:18.11 | Otixa | lol. |
| 02:18.20 | Otixa | win8 doesn't even detect XP and linux |
| 02:18.24 | Otixa | and vice versa |
| 02:18.32 | Otixa | well played M$ |
| 02:20.41 | Otixa | Wait, no |
| 02:20.43 | Otixa | I got it to work |
| 02:20.48 | Otixa | So it's just my laptop >;/ |
| 02:20.50 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 02:21.03 | JademusSreg | Beware of sharks. |
| 02:29.11 | Ownage | I can help you |
| 02:29.25 | Ownage | window key + R |
| 02:29.27 | Ownage | type in cmd |
| 02:29.41 | Ownage | in command box type ipconfig /all |
| 02:30.12 | Ownage | scroll up to find subnet mask which will likely be 255.255.255.0 |
| 02:30.31 | Ownage | you should find your IPv4 address above it, something usually like a 192.168.1.123 |
| 02:30.38 | Ownage | now do the same on the other machine |
| 02:30.54 | MoonEater | how to i make a black ground texture? |
| 02:30.56 | Ownage | if they are both on the same subnet and both IP addresses are within that mask, try to ping one from the other |
| 02:31.03 | Ownage | ping 192.168.1.123 |
| 02:31.18 | Ownage | if that fails, disable windows firewall on both machines and try again |
| 02:31.28 | Otixa | It's not an issue with network connectivity |
| 02:31.30 | Ownage | if that still fails pastebin the output from ipconfig /all on both machines |
| 02:31.40 | Otixa | All machines, both physical and virtual, have ping to eachother |
| 02:31.54 | Ownage | cool so the problem is fixed |
| 02:31.58 | Otixa | It's an issue with the bullshit networking protocol |
| 02:32.07 | Ownage | "Can't access a win7 machine from either XP or ArchLinux for some reason" |
| 02:32.11 | Ownage | you just did access it |
| 02:32.15 | Otixa | ... ¬¬ |
| 02:32.18 | Ownage | if you need more help be more specific |
| 02:32.19 | MoonEater | lolz |
| 02:32.20 | MoonEater | well |
| 02:32.22 | Otixa | Shared files |
| 02:32.26 | MoonEater | what proticol do u want to use? |
| 02:32.29 | MoonEater | ssh to telnet? |
| 02:32.43 | Ownage | shared files isn't a protocol |
| 02:32.51 | Ownage | so elaborate, then I can help you |
| 02:33.20 | Otixa | SMB. |
| 02:33.42 | ArcanePariah | In that case, they need to have the same workgroup name, so the Netbios browser can see them |
| 02:33.44 | Ownage | based on the fact that you want to reach a windows server |
| 02:33.55 | Ownage | I'm guessing what you mean by that is CIFS |
| 02:34.00 | Otixa | ArcanePariah, check |
| 02:34.07 | Ownage | as SMB is not generally available on windows |
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| 02:34.16 | ArcanePariah | SMB = CIFS :P |
| 02:34.42 | Otixa | ^ |
| 02:35.05 | Otixa | It's odd tho |
| 02:35.14 | Otixa | It's just this one win7 machine that refuses to cooperate |
| 02:35.19 | Ownage | disable firewall |
| 02:35.24 | Otixa | Ya think? |
| 02:35.29 | Ownage | enable sharing through the wizard |
| 02:35.48 | Otixa | hey wait nvm |
| 02:35.49 | Ownage | check ports are listening |
| 02:35.53 | Otixa | It seems to work now |
| 02:36.14 | Otixa | Now I have to figure out what I changed last to make it work >> |
| 02:37.10 | Otixa | And add a bunch of cronjobs ;\ |
| 02:37.37 | Otixa | It still doesn't work WinXP > Win7 tho |
| 02:37.54 | Otixa | But it might be because the XP is a virtual machine on the win7 so weird shit is happening somehow |
| 02:37.56 | Otixa | shrugs |
| 02:37.59 | MoonEater | look |
| 02:38.01 | MoonEater | OTXIA |
| 02:38.04 | MoonEater | set up a ftp |
| 02:38.07 | MoonEater | on the linux |
| 02:38.26 | Otixa | linux has samba ;p |
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| 02:38.37 | Otixa | I don't wanna use FTP because this shit will later be embedded into a wall |
| 02:38.53 | MoonEater | use ftps.... |
| 02:39.03 | Otixa | And people who have little computer knowledge will be using it to stream video to the TVs in an apartment |
| 02:39.30 | MoonEater | use ftps |
| 02:39.41 | Otixa | noe >:[ |
| 02:39.50 | Otixa | I set it up to scan the network for shares |
| 02:39.56 | MoonEater | its secure compatible with windpws |
| 02:40.02 | Otixa | And mount them on the linux machine |
| 02:40.03 | MoonEater | accesible from http |
| 02:40.06 | MoonEater | its groovy |
| 02:40.17 | Otixa | So anything on the network is automagically accesable from the TVs |
| 02:40.36 | MoonEater | lol |
| 02:40.59 | MoonEater | bleh |
| 02:41.18 | MoonEater | ur scanning the network for shareS? |
| 02:41.24 | MoonEater | r u using a p2p arcutecture or |
| 02:41.27 | MoonEater | server client? |
| 02:42.11 | Otixa | just a samba client on the linux machine |
| 02:42.28 | MoonEater | google samba |
| 02:42.29 | Otixa | and smbnetfs to automount |
| 02:44.50 | MoonEater | ok |
| 02:44.57 | MoonEater | this is a server, cient setup |
| 02:45.34 | MoonEater | your server is the only thing, your clients should be talking to |
| 02:45.36 | MoonEater | not eachother |
| 02:47.31 | MoonEater | JAde |
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| 02:54.39 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 03:11.22 | MoonEater | Jade how to i make a black ground tile |
| 03:11.24 | MoonEater | i mean |
| 03:11.30 | MoonEater | black terrain |
| 03:11.43 | JademusSreg | Easy. |
| 03:12.02 | JademusSreg | Delete all the terrain texture data. |
| 03:12.21 | MoonEater | i may want some |
| 03:12.23 | JademusSreg | And remove the blend textures for the terrain sey. |
| 03:12.24 | MoonEater | how do i delete one? |
| 03:14.47 | JademusSreg | Ah, I simply delete the data files from the map mpq. |
| 03:15.11 | MoonEater | but what if i want 1 tile set thats black? |
| 03:17.48 | JademusSreg | Clarify? |
| 03:18.01 | JademusSreg | You mean a texture, yeah? |
| 03:18.04 | hobbidude | is there a siteop to get the casters z? |
| 03:18.11 | MoonEater | ya |
| 03:18.20 | MoonEater | i want to paint ground black |
| 03:18.25 | MoonEater | pitch black |
| 03:19.31 | JademusSreg | Hobb, sure, if you mean what I think. |
| 03:20.19 | MoonEater | jade? |
| 03:20.21 | JademusSreg | Moon, make one custom. |
| 03:20.42 | hobbidude | im looking to set the end of a beam which uses a dummy effect and target point and make sure its at the height of the caster or above |
| 03:21.21 | MoonEater | ill check the forum |
| 03:21.33 | JademusSreg | Null textures are not reliable, so you'll need to define a custom black texture. |
| 03:22.11 | ArcanePariah | hobbidude: You need to set the impact location of the beam to scope target, and then for the site ops, use a local offset, with Z set to a positive value |
| 03:22.23 | ArcanePariah | Oh wait, caster |
| 03:22.37 | ArcanePariah | ok, same deal but launch location at scope caster |
| 03:22.38 | JademusSreg | Hobb, ah, like diablo 3 beams. See hellion flame beam for reference. |
| 03:22.42 | hobbidude | yes i have th scope target sop |
| 03:25.42 | hobbidude | nope |
| 03:25.58 | hobbidude | tried the sopheightlaunch |
| 03:26.02 | hobbidude | no luck |
| 03:30.39 | hobbidude | what is the heigher of terrain and water site op? |
| 03:32.27 | MoonEater | JAde |
| 03:32.31 | MoonEater | JADEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 03:32.36 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 03:32.47 | MoonEater | how do i detect unit facing via data? |
| 03:32.54 | MoonEater | im almost temped to say fk it |
| 03:32.58 | MoonEater | and do it via triggers |
| 03:33.11 | MoonEater | i need to see if a unit is facing between angles |
| 03:33.29 | MoonEater | nvm |
| 03:33.30 | MoonEater | fk it |
| 03:33.34 | MoonEater | ill do it via triggers |
| 03:36.17 | JademusSreg | Glad that was sorted out before I responded. |
| 03:36.52 | Otixa | Aaaaand we're off! |
| 03:37.20 | Otixa | Watching Tron Legacy using the raspberry pi as a proxy for the DLNA :D |
| 03:37.41 | Otixa | Pretty sure that I set it up to be fully plug and play :> |
| 03:37.55 | Otixa | Just share the file on the network, and it will automagically pop up on yer TV |
| 03:37.58 | Otixa | highfives self |
| 03:38.13 | JademusSreg | HAha |
| 03:39.57 | Otixa | Actually, need to test it in HD |
| 03:46.42 | Otixa | HD works! |
| 03:46.47 | Otixa | Even mkv files! :D |
| 03:47.03 | Otixa | dances around with euro signs in his eyes |
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| 03:58.26 | Ownage | how can I make a model of a unit upside down? |
| 03:58.26 | unclesatan | so when i preview my models through startools, the model looks fine, but when it gets to the previewer it shows just one object rotated away from where it should be. if i rotate it so that in 3dsmax it looks incorrect and the previewer looks correct, which one do i trust will look correctly in game? |
| 04:00.37 | Triceron | do a quick export |
| 04:00.57 | Triceron | see how it looks when you replace the model of an existing unit in the game |
| 04:05.33 | Ownage | nvm I figured it out |
| 04:05.57 | unclesatan | ok |
| 04:06.04 | unclesatan | doing triceron |
| 04:20.23 | unclesatan | welp |
| 04:21.54 | unclesatan | i fucked alot of stuff up |
| 04:21.59 | unclesatan | with my map |
| 04:22.08 | unclesatan | so i'm gonna have to fix it before i can look at that model lmfao |
| 04:28.01 | Triceron | test with a fresh scene |
| 04:31.22 | unclesatan | alright |
| 04:32.22 | unclesatan | nope it's still off |
| 04:32.29 | unclesatan | both on export/test and new scene |
| 04:32.36 | unclesatan | that's just weird though |
| 04:32.52 | unclesatan | i'd like to look at keyframe 0 to see if that's what's wrong but it won't let me go below 90 |
| 04:33.00 | unclesatan | maybe i keyframed something |
| 04:33.01 | unclesatan | idk |
| 04:35.04 | unclesatan | also i made some ribbons for this models' hair |
| 04:35.09 | Repo | New experimental map: Risk : Other Side of the Worm Hole - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/risk-other-side-worm-hole/ |
| 04:35.09 | Repo | New experimental map: Star Map Unlmited - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/star-map-unlmited/ |
| 04:35.14 | Repo | New asset: Simple Scoreboard - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/simple-scoreboard/ |
| 04:35.20 | Repo | New asset: DarcZaFire's Loading Screens - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/darczafires-loading-screens/ |
| 04:35.21 | Repo | New map: Proof of concept Map Projects by TwoDie - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/twodieprojects/ |
| 04:35.21 | Repo | New map: Big Game Hunters 1.6.2 - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/big-game-hunters-1-6-2/ |
| 04:35.49 | unclesatan | the cutscene editor shows the hair falling like it should, but in the game it shows the hair floating |
| 04:36.28 | unclesatan | how am I supposed to deal with this if it doesn't show accurate things >-< |
| 04:37.41 | unclesatan | does anyone else have issues with this? |
| 05:04.39 | unclesatan | i still haven't figured out why my object is just plain rotated the wrong angle in-game |
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| 06:09.05 | unclesatan | anyone messed with the ribbons in 3dsmax |
| 06:09.36 | unclesatan | i'm particularly trying to imitate cloth, which setting is it that reduces how much it moves when the thing it's attached to moves? |
| 06:10.08 | unclesatan | inherit parent velocity gives me a strange effect when i put it anywhere above 35% |
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| 06:10.32 | unclesatan | they're the startools ribbons |
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| 08:22.39 | proprietarysucks | is there some kind of built in function which kills a unit if it has buffs on it or something |
| 08:22.53 | proprietarysucks | I have a map which has absolutely no actions that kill any units |
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| 08:23.13 | proprietarysucks | I can add buffs and add buffs to a unit, and the unit just randomly explodes and dies |
| 08:23.21 | proprietarysucks | without seemingly any cause |
| 08:24.38 | u85TD | rofl |
| 08:24.56 | proprietarysucks | sounds like a joke but I'm being serious |
| 08:25.04 | proprietarysucks | I've got buttons which add buffs to the unit |
| 08:25.20 | u85TD | so maybe it sets unit hp to 0 or something |
| 08:25.57 | proprietarysucks | hmm |
| 08:26.42 | u85TD | modifies unit property Behavior itself or Effect of that behavior |
| 08:28.25 | proprietarysucks | well it's definitely not what you said but you might be close |
| 08:28.33 | proprietarysucks | let me experiment a little bit |
| 08:28.42 | proprietarysucks | but yeah it's definitely something non trigger related |
| 08:31.04 | u85TD | write a debug trigger that would applied your made behavior or any other behavior and see if that relates only to your own applied behavior |
| 08:54.42 | proprietarysucks | wow this is really weird |
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| 09:14.56 | proprietarysucks | so far my only theory is that I'm adding them too fast? |
| 09:15.22 | proprietarysucks | I have laid a bunch of units down which are exactly the same. each has the same buttons which add the same buffs |
| 09:15.42 | proprietarysucks | with one of them I got all buffs to 255 levels by doing one at a time |
| 09:15.59 | proprietarysucks | the next one I button mashed them for a while and before maxing the unit just dies |
| 09:16.23 | proprietarysucks | so it's not an issue of the buffs themselves being applied |
| 09:17.13 | u85TD | what those buffs apply? |
| 09:17.19 | u85TD | what changes to unit makes? |
| 09:17.41 | proprietarysucks | add armor, life, damage, etc |
| 09:18.06 | proprietarysucks | so now I have one unit which is fully upgraded and some other ones which if I keep mashing, they just explode |
| 09:19.26 | proprietarysucks | I made a trigger which runs on unit dies that just says 'dead'. it runs when the unit dies, so it's not a removal |
| 09:19.39 | u85TD | well the problem then |
| 09:19.44 | u85TD | that i adds too much life |
| 09:19.50 | u85TD | its |
| 09:20.43 | u85TD | look for limits in Unit itself to see bounds or else |
| 09:22.28 | proprietarysucks | can you elaborate? |
| 09:22.48 | proprietarysucks | I have a generic unit with a probe model |
| 09:22.57 | proprietarysucks | also, like I said, I have a fully upgraded one |
| 09:23.01 | proprietarysucks | not dead |
| 09:23.07 | proprietarysucks | seems to die only if I mash them quickly |
| 09:27.49 | proprietarysucks | hmm ok I found something to go on |
| 09:28.12 | proprietarysucks | if I hold down the button for one and let it go to 255, then the next one always gets to about 153 and he dies |
| 09:29.19 | proprietarysucks | nope. looks like just running that one alone to about 153 kills this unit |
| 09:29.50 | proprietarysucks | but if I slow it down he dies at about 140 |
| 09:32.58 | proprietarysucks | aha |
| 09:33.14 | proprietarysucks | when you add life to a unit it apparently lowers his current life |
| 09:35.54 | proprietarysucks | yep that was it |
| 09:42.11 | u85TD | killing Units since 2010 |
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| 11:43.18 | Zolden | u85TD what do you think about this death anim? http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/44/451/slime_death.gif |
| 11:44.49 | G0A | nice Zolden |
| 11:45.29 | Zolden | yea, nice... not perfect, though |
| 11:46.04 | u85TD | strange vibrations before explosion and the explosion images need more depth, more layers of goo exploding, like those tall shit is just plain looking. Its need mb hidden mesh with bits of the slime itself as hidding the slime looks not smooth trasnsition |
| 11:48.33 | Zolden | crap, why have I even asked, lazy to fix :) |
| 11:48.38 | u85TD | that brief appearance of tall images goo maybe could fire in all those direction and lay down on the ground too |
| 11:48.40 | G0A | :D |
| 11:48.58 | G0A | my answer was what you needed Zolden |
| 11:49.15 | Zolden | yea ;/ |
| 11:49.45 | Zolden | u85TD ok, i'll add a splat like after baneling explosion |
| 11:50.29 | u85TD | not that the bane explosion I hope, but those tall explosion textures! |
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| 11:52.42 | Zolden | those tall explosions are using "pinned" shit, and oriented not parallelly to the gorund, so I can't make them stay on the gorund, they will not be paralel to it |
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| 11:54.41 | u85TD | then it needs to change all properties in mid animation :d |
| 11:56.23 | u85TD | http://youtu.be/fK8Ks3wPAIs?t=2m11s |
| 12:00.07 | Zolden | hmm... how to animate splat appearance? |
| 12:00.14 | Zolden | how to "create" it? |
| 12:02.20 | Zolden | oh, that "alive" box |
| 12:07.29 | Zolden | yea, splat improved a bit |
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| 12:50.43 | proprietarysucks | what does a unit need in order for armor to show up correctly |
| 12:51.21 | proprietarysucks | I have a unit which has attribute to add armor and buffs which add to that attribute, however it doesn't show up on mouseover |
| 12:51.32 | proprietarysucks | the only way I can see it working is if I set hidden to false |
| 12:51.51 | proprietarysucks | and secondly, how can I change a unit's armor from protoss to terran? |
| 12:54.09 | proprietarysucks | actually forget that last question, just the first |
| 12:54.41 | Kueken | you want the armor to show up or the attribute? |
| 12:55.29 | proprietarysucks | the actual armor bonus doesn't show |
| 12:55.43 | proprietarysucks | like when you roll over it says 0+3 |
| 12:55.54 | proprietarysucks | but this units just say 0 |
| 12:56.07 | Kueken | but it actually has an effect ingame? |
| 12:56.19 | proprietarysucks | donno |
| 12:56.42 | Kueken | and it works, if you un-hide the attribute? |
| 12:56.55 | proprietarysucks | but if I change to hidden "0", suddenly it shows hero layout including bonus |
| 12:57.05 | proprietarysucks | let e reconfirm |
| 12:58.04 | proprietarysucks | first pass, armor does nothing |
| 12:58.13 | proprietarysucks | changing to not hidden. |
| 12:59.21 | proprietarysucks | now it shows the bonus |
| 12:59.39 | Kueken | cool |
| 12:59.58 | proprietarysucks | so how can I make it work without that |
| 13:00.05 | Kueken | so hidden actually has an influence on gameplay :D |
| 13:00.10 | Kueken | hm |
| 13:00.15 | proprietarysucks | I just want the normal display |
| 13:00.42 | Kueken | a hidden non-attribute buff works, right? |
| 13:01.38 | proprietarysucks | donno |
| 13:01.45 | proprietarysucks | let me try unhide on the buff |
| 13:02.44 | Ahli | sounds like a bug |
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| 13:03.24 | proprietarysucks | unhide on buff still doesn't show |
| 13:03.36 | Kueken | ? |
| 13:03.41 | proprietarysucks | so the only way i can see this is by showing the lame hero layout |
| 13:03.47 | Kueken | yeah, no, thats not what I meant |
| 13:03.57 | Kueken | try a hidden buff that provides the armoe |
| 13:04.00 | Kueken | no attribute |
| 13:04.11 | Kueken | if that works, you can sync it up with the attribute |
| 13:06.39 | proprietarysucks | trying |
| 13:09.12 | proprietarysucks | yeah, works |
| 13:09.35 | proprietarysucks | thnx |
| 13:10.43 | proprietarysucks | hmm what are attributes for |
| 13:10.54 | proprietarysucks | if I can just do it this way? |
| 13:12.49 | Ahli | I use attributes to have speed changes be summed up rather than being multiplicative |
| 13:13.32 | proprietarysucks | example |
| 13:13.45 | Ahli | else 50% and 50% faster results in 125% rather than 100% faster |
| 13:14.20 | Ahli | like you got a marine and another unit that adds a buff to the marine with a spell that increases a speed, too... |
| 13:14.40 | proprietarysucks | i see |
| 13:15.36 | proprietarysucks | so for health, 1.1 muliplier as attribute twice on 100hp unit will be 120hp |
| 13:15.56 | proprietarysucks | and as buff will be... |
| 13:16.15 | proprietarysucks | 121hp |
| 13:16.18 | proprietarysucks | right? |
| 13:16.46 | Ahli | maybe. I'm not sure how every aspect behaves |
| 13:16.46 | proprietarysucks | 100*1.1*1.1 vs attribute would be 100+(2*100*1.1) |
| 13:17.13 | proprietarysucks | ok thanks, I'll experiment |
| 13:17.44 | Ahli | oh btw, did you put an attribute behavior as the unit behavior? |
| 13:18.10 | proprietarysucks | yeah, it works when not hidden |
| 13:18.54 | Kueken | Ahli: there is a flag or separate field to use sum instead of multiplicative stacking now |
| 13:19.05 | Kueken | for buff behaviors |
| 13:19.12 | Ahli | nice |
| 13:19.48 | Ahli | that makes it easier than using attributes and adding the attributes to every unit |
| 13:19.54 | proprietarysucks | yeah |
| 13:20.03 | proprietarysucks | so attributes give you what |
| 13:20.09 | proprietarysucks | just the display? |
| 13:21.38 | Ahli | kueken, where is that flag? |
| 13:22.03 | Kueken | not sure, it might not be a flag, just separate fields |
| 13:22.10 | Kueken | let me look it up.. |
| 13:22.31 | Kueken | proprietarysucks: you can natively increase attributes on levelup |
| 13:22.40 | Kueken | and the display, yes |
| 13:23.28 | Kueken | Ahli: the "Unified" fields |
| 13:23.37 | Kueken | not sure if one exists for movespeed |
| 13:24.04 | Ahli | they put attack speed into movement |
| 13:25.07 | Kueken | okay, so unified only exists for attack speed factor and move speed factor apparently |
| 13:25.58 | Kueken | but since you need it for that anyway :D |
| 13:27.16 | Ahli | yeah, I think they've been added shortly after I tinkered with that stuff |
| 13:32.08 | Ahli | or I just missed those |
| 13:32.13 | Ahli | can't remember |
| 13:37.26 | Ahli | I just got mail from Blizzard about the editor and localization... |
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| 13:39.27 | Ahli | and I just got rickrolled |
| 13:39.53 | Ahli | oh well, GEMA stopped it |
| 13:41.01 | Ahli | "Our plan is to replace all Trigger and Asset related texts and messages inside the Galaxy Editor with the original English text. This includes all Triggers, Actors, Models, Animations, Lightings and the likes. Everything that belongs to Menus, Buttons, and the Editor Interface in general will remain in their localized state." |
| 13:47.09 | Zolden | who the fuck would name trigger or actor with their gibberish local languages |
| 13:48.35 | Kueken | yeah, renee mentioned that.. |
| 13:49.08 | Kueken | makes no difference for the guys who already preferred english, since they usually just got an english version anyway |
| 13:49.21 | Kueken | and sucks for the ones that don't understand english too well |
| 13:49.54 | Ahli | perfect time to improve their English |
| 13:49.54 | Zolden | who would call butterfly a Schmetterling? who? |
| 13:50.02 | Ahli | hahaha |
| 13:52.06 | Ahli | maybe because the early German people liked to punch them? |
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| 13:52.31 | Ahli | Schmetterball = ball played with a lot of force |
| 13:54.13 | Zolden | I guess, early people used punch instead of many things, like think, talk, contemplate, sex, invite friends to birthday party |
| 13:55.16 | Zolden | also, I remember that this summer I was pursued by a big insect, and I punched it and didn't miss |
| 13:55.45 | Zolden | so maybe if butterflies were big and annoying, germans have indeed punched them |
| 13:56.04 | Zolden | join our historical club |
| 13:56.16 | Zolden | we answer questions and explain misteries |
| 13:57.43 | Ahli | so, wikipedia says they are named because its named after an odd/old word for milk's cream |
| 13:58.44 | Ahli | so, it's actually very equal to "butterfly". We just don't use/know that word anymore |
| 13:59.35 | Zolden | and where is the connection between butter and butterfly? |
| 14:00.39 | Ahli | they fly around the pots that contain the milk/butter |
| 14:04.15 | Kueken | "Schmetterling" sounds like a new kind of Zerg, an exceptionally brutal one with huge fists. |
| 14:06.01 | Zolden | and this is how it looks like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuPa8TQ_lLo |
| 14:06.07 | Kueken | I mean, its funny and all, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9ehI6nyZNM |
| 14:06.23 | Kueken | but also greatly exaggerated, noone speaks like this in germany :D |
| 14:07.45 | Zolden | cmon, we all know that people in germany speak like angry hitler |
| 14:07.48 | Kueken | its Schmetterpig! |
| 14:08.06 | Kueken | come on, Hitler would sound way more angry than that |
| 14:08.35 | Kueken | and he would talk about a Moustache-ling if anything |
| 14:08.55 | Kueken | he wouldn't mention a Butterfly, ever, thats not compatible with his personality |
| 14:10.35 | Zolden | schmetterhitl |
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| 14:22.11 | Serashin | actually butterfly was a bad example . |
| 14:33.11 | Dustin|Work | So is your face! |
| 14:48.21 | Bommes | Ahli: I like that they just default everything to english |
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| 15:12.15 | proprietarysucks | how do I change a unit's armor from protoss to terran? |
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| 15:14.51 | Zolden | the icon? |
| 15:15.01 | Zolden | maybe somwhere in actor? |
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| 15:17.20 | proprietarysucks | oh yes, thanks |
| 15:25.42 | proprietarysucks | hmmm how do i set that with message |
| 15:27.23 | Zolden | Kueken1 is this possible: event -> timer set -> timer expired -> create? can we make a delay before creating the actor? |
| 15:27.36 | Kueken | no |
| 15:27.46 | Kueken | but you can make it invisible on creation |
| 15:27.53 | Zolden | it's a sound actor |
| 15:28.05 | Kueken | then you can make it start later |
| 15:28.10 | Kueken | pretty sure at least |
| 15:28.11 | Zolden | I heard there are events to play sounds from model? |
| 15:28.26 | Kueken | sort of, yes |
| 15:28.42 | Kueken | there are actors that react to certain model events |
| 15:29.08 | Kueken | for example the last boss of the HotS bossfight mission |
| 15:29.14 | Kueken | zulvan or something? |
| 15:29.15 | Zolden | maybe i should try to pause a sound and play it after a delay? |
| 15:29.33 | Kueken | he has some lightning breath, and whenever that model is used, it plays a sound |
| 15:29.48 | Kueken | yeah, that should be possible |
| 15:30.37 | Zolden | oh, there's pause sound message |
| 15:30.43 | Zolden | hope it works |
| 15:31.22 | proprietarysucks | I see group icon and hero icon and unit icon but no armor icon |
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| 15:32.51 | Zolden | btw, upgrades change those icons |
| 15:32.55 | Kueken | UI: Life Armor Icon |
| 15:33.51 | proprietarysucks | I need to change in game |
| 15:37.32 | Ahli | Bommes: I think using Englisch terms for the specific stuff is great. However descriptions that tell you how the stuff is working should be localized and contain the Englisch terms. |
| 15:39.39 | Zolden | proprietarysucks check upgrades, they modify those icons |
| 15:40.03 | proprietarysucks | its just an actor |
| 15:46.37 | proprietarysucks | nvm I worked around it |
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| 16:51.46 | Bommes | Mapping time! |
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| 17:01.32 | kingTD | Zolden hiow progrressssss? |
| 17:04.17 | Zolden | 8/36 creeps operational |
| 17:05.47 | Zolden | now making the first boss, a huge drone, spawning tiny drones |
| 17:07.17 | Zolden | maybe also launching an aoe baneling as a main attack |
| 17:15.39 | kingTD | Zolden how about that slime death? |
| 17:17.13 | Zolden | added splat, so now it's fine |
| 17:18.22 | Zolden | also, added chwark sound, so now it's just perfect |
| 17:19.00 | Zolden | oh, it's "slurp", not "chwark" |
| 17:19.18 | kingTD | any visual representation? |
| 17:19.47 | Zolden | do you mean right now that you want to see the final version's gif? |
| 17:21.17 | kingTD | now would be great, but if that would be any time later like tomorrow im fine with as long as you will show it soon |
| 17:22.42 | Zolden | does this mean that right now you don't want it? |
| 17:23.41 | kingTD | it means that you can continue working on what you working untill you find free time to show that renewed death animtion |
| 17:25.08 | Zolden | does this mean that I can continue working on what I'm working untill I find free time to show that renewed death animtion? |
| 17:26.56 | Zolden | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/44/459/slime_death.gif |
| 17:28.46 | proprietarysucks | anyone remember tank wars for wc3 |
| 17:29.11 | Zolden | that was pretty proprietary game |
| 17:29.12 | kingTD | sup with that fade out? |
| 17:29.21 | kingTD | of slimes |
| 17:29.28 | kingTD | but now it really looks better |
| 17:29.31 | proprietarysucks | errr sorry battle tanks |
| 17:29.59 | Zolden | fade out on particles that disappear on the ground? |
| 17:30.25 | kingTD | yeah like one by one like being hidden |
| 17:33.28 | Zolden | yea, could be good, but I'm lazy to again open max, fix, close sc2 to update mod, run sc2 again.... too much waiting time for a little shit no one even will notice |
| 17:34.12 | Zolden | it's like returning home when you're 10 minutes from home, when you only forgot gloves |
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| 17:42.30 | kingTD | http://www.theonion.com/articles/bloodsoaked-mayor-bloomberg-announces-homelessness,34224/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=Default:1:Default |
| 17:49.06 | Zolden | Kueken do you know Klaus Schulze? |
| 17:49.28 | Kueken | not that I know of |
| 17:49.42 | Kueken | common first- and last names, though, so I might |
| 17:49.43 | Zolden | it's german Jean Michelle Jarre |
| 17:49.57 | Kueken | and who is that? o_0 |
| 17:50.17 | Zolden | Jean Michelle Jarre is French Klaus Schulze |
| 17:50.32 | Kueken | oh my god |
| 17:50.34 | Kueken | really? |
| 17:50.42 | Kueken | now that you say it |
| 17:50.42 | Zolden | yes, now you understand? |
| 17:50.46 | Kueken | kinda makes sense |
| 17:51.08 | Zolden | is good with clearing things |
| 17:51.26 | Zolden | you jsut a phoney German |
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| 18:33.34 | kingTD | lol |
| 18:33.49 | Zolden | ok, huge dron is ready |
| 18:33.55 | kingTD | FieldTerran Detection Art: ModelAssets\Effects\Terran\DetectorAddOn\DetectorAddOn.m3 |
| 18:34.48 | Zolden | what? model as model |
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| 18:35.00 | kingTD | shitty box :D |
| 18:35.03 | kingTD | spinning |
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| 18:35.52 | Zolden | I see, you're in a mood for some criticism |
| 18:36.00 | kingTD | :D |
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| 18:51.23 | hobbidude | hey Kueken can i get some quick help on that sop again? |
| 18:52.05 | Kueken | you will have to remind me what it was about :D |
| 18:53.22 | JademusSreg | D3 frost beam. |
| 18:53.42 | hobbidude | was looking for a siteop that puts the target end point at the same height as the caster/launch |
| 18:53.48 | hobbidude | or higher if possible |
| 18:54.10 | hobbidude | for use with beam srry |
| 18:54.27 | Kueken | same height of caster should be possible, not sure about same height or higher |
| 18:54.45 | Kueken | assuming it should be conditional based on terrain height? |
| 18:54.46 | hobbidude | kk |
| 18:54.52 | hobbidude | correct |
| 18:55.00 | JademusSreg | There are height offset siteops, so it's doable. |
| 18:55.15 | JademusSreg | *higher is doable |
| 18:55.30 | hobbidude | i saw that but getting it to use the caster height was what i am having issues with |
| 18:55.37 | Kueken | there should be a SOpCasterZ |
| 18:55.45 | hobbidude | there isn't |
| 18:55.55 | JademusSreg | If there isn't, make one. |
| 18:56.06 | Kueken | then its some other one you can copy and make it caster |
| 18:56.40 | hobbidude | how do i make it caster tho? |
| 18:56.44 | hobbidude | what field? |
| 18:57.06 | hobbidude | there is a sopheightlaunch |
| 18:57.15 | hobbidude | but that didn't seem to work |
| 18:57.21 | Kueken | SOpTargetUnitZ |
| 18:57.37 | Kueken | copy that and set the field that has target unit to caster unit |
| 18:58.43 | Kueken | it could be possible to check for height of target point vs height of caster point with a validator |
| 18:59.08 | Kueken | and use SOpShadow at a certain threshold |
| 18:59.45 | ArcanePariah | hobbidude: I sort of remember you mentioning this last night, explain again what you are attempting to do? |
| 19:00.45 | hobbidude | there also a siteop for higher of terrain and water; what is that for? |
| 19:01.23 | Kueken | no idea, try it out |
| 19:01.43 | hobbidude | kk well i tried the copied one as you said and it works for some reason this time |
| 19:01.52 | hobbidude | i swearing i had tried it before with no luck |
| 19:02.38 | ArcanePariah | Since we are on the subject, what do the Forward Vector Site Ops do? |
| 19:03.12 | Kueken | they can make an actor look in a specific direction |
| 19:03.35 | ArcanePariah | How is this any different then rotation? |
| 19:03.41 | Kueken | useful over SetRotation because you can make them target another actor |
| 19:03.55 | Kueken | then they will dynamically change their rotation based on that actor |
| 19:04.22 | hobbidude | hmm wonder if you could use that for a mouse follow system? |
| 19:04.46 | Kueken | if you can het a model to follow your mouse and reference that, sure |
| 19:04.50 | Kueken | *get |
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| 19:07.29 | Zandose | hi |
| 19:07.42 | JademusSreg | It's possible to get actors working in such a way that it appears as though there is no network latency, but it's basically deceiving the players with immediate asynchronous feedback. |
| 19:08.46 | Zandose | ^that sounds very interesting. what you talking about? |
| 19:08.56 | Zolden | it's partially implemented in brain |
| 19:09.27 | hobbidude | i actually had an idea about that |
| 19:09.43 | Zolden | visual, audial and kinestetic preception has different delay, but consciousness thinks they are immediate |
| 19:10.03 | hobbidude | well i had heard that something like actors is handled locally |
| 19:10.31 | Zolden | or if you play alot of photon bikes, minds starts to hide the delay |
| 19:10.58 | hobbidude | or automatically takes it into account |
| 19:11.15 | Kueken | Jade, I had a testmap for that somewhere... |
| 19:12.00 | Zolden | and i had testiculemap for that somwhere |
| 19:12.22 | hobbidude | i wouldn't mind a link if you managed to find it someday' |
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| 19:14.07 | hobbidude | what if you used something like a doodad as the visuall unit and then had an invisiable units follow the doodad |
| 19:14.36 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 19:14.43 | Kueken | for what exactly now? |
| 19:15.13 | hobbidude | probably to hide the delay in like wasd controls |
| 19:16.11 | Kueken | you would need actors that are controlled asynchronously |
| 19:16.33 | Zandose | I asked this question before but didnt get an answer. Whats the lowest/fastest timing that triggers work at? |
| 19:16.43 | Kueken | I answered :) |
| 19:16.55 | Zandose | *goes to look at logs |
| 19:17.05 | hobbidude | ya i remember reading something about that but can't remember specifics |
| 19:17.07 | Kueken | 0.03125 game-time seconds, only useable by a 0 seconds wait |
| 19:17.22 | Zandose | ty |
| 19:17.34 | Kueken | but for most intends and purposes 0.0625 is preferred |
| 19:17.41 | Zandose | why game-time and not real-time? |
| 19:17.45 | hobbidude | does it wait for .0625 to implement it tho |
| 19:17.52 | Kueken | since most gameplay-relevant stuff only updates every 2 ticks anyway |
| 19:18.08 | Kueken | because game-time is faster than real-time |
| 19:18.21 | Kueken | 40%? I believe |
| 19:18.31 | Kueken | on faster |
| 19:18.32 | JademusSreg | Faster 1.4 |
| 19:18.41 | Zandose | oh |
| 19:18.49 | Zandose | *updates all triggers... |
| 19:19.34 | JademusSreg | Faster provides 22.4 updates per real second, assuming all connections are optimal. |
| 19:20.19 | Kueken | but even the game visuals don't update at 0.03125 |
| 19:20.27 | Zandose | JademusSreg, i heard that using a slower game setting will prevent some lag. im guessing from the game having to do less updates |
| 19:20.31 | Kueken | pretty funny actually, try following experiment |
| 19:20.40 | Kueken | place a unit |
| 19:20.47 | Kueken | alternate it between 2 points |
| 19:20.57 | Kueken | at 0.03125 |
| 19:21.28 | JademusSreg | Less updates per second, less burden, but a shitty connection will still lag a game. =D |
| 19:21.36 | Kueken | visually, it will always be at one location, but if you let other units attack it, you see that physically it is always at the other location |
| 19:21.37 | Zandose | eh |
| 19:22.03 | Zandose | can a trigger be run "locally" instead of having to be in sync? |
| 19:22.08 | Kueken | no |
| 19:22.14 | Zandose | so no cheating |
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| 19:22.43 | hobbidude | was it just me or did hots help some when it came to wasd delay? |
| 19:23.05 | Zandose | ^think i heard about that server updates |
| 19:23.09 | Zandose | some* |
| 19:24.08 | Kueken | well, its mainly just the 250ms minimum ping that bnet uses |
| 19:24.28 | Kueken | or whatever connection slows that down further |
| 19:25.10 | Kueken | I am not aware that they would have improved anything about that |
| 19:25.20 | Zandose | why doesnt the game use peer-to-peer for this stuff instead of peer-server-peer |
| 19:25.49 | Kueken | same reason why there is no lan mode :) |
| 19:27.40 | Zandose | so how does this work? "<JademusSreg> It's possible to get actors working in such a way that it appears as though there is no network latency, but it's basically deceiving the players with immediate asynchronous feedback." |
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| 19:33.36 | JademusSreg | You'd need to ask Renee for the details of the approach, iirc. |
| 19:33.54 | Zandose | oh |
| 19:34.04 | Zandose | the smart lady again |
| 19:34.10 | Kueken | found it |
| 19:34.12 | Kueken | sec |
| 19:34.24 | Kueken | https://www.dropbox.com/s/gebbyzirnw7wlwo/FaceMouse.SC2Map |
| 19:34.39 | JademusSreg | Actors are asynchronous, so they can respond immediately. Then you update state synchronously, interpolate if necessary. |
| 19:34.39 | Kueken | that uses the ability targeting, there is probably a better way |
| 19:35.40 | JademusSreg | That's generally how it works, but like I said, I don't use it, so I can't detail the approach-to-implementation. |
| 19:35.56 | Kueken | if you can make the ability never target anything, disable any chance of cancelling targeting mode and increase the ability button to some sort of "To start game click here" button, it could somewhat work |
| 19:36.56 | Kueken | purely asynchronous, though, you cannot even make the actor show up for other players in this case |
| 19:38.36 | JademusSreg | I expect that such an approach would involve actors created from code, since the code would need to be able to push the correct state to the actor. |
| 19:40.06 | Zandose | so it uses data and the sniping ability to find a target "locally" on the computers machine only and uses data events or timer update to do a local actor change. nice |
| 19:51.28 | ArcanePariah | Would it be reasonable/feasible for blizzard to implement a setting that would let us choose the the amount of delay to sync game state, or is the current enforced delay a product of their current architecture limitations? |
| 19:52.52 | Zandose | i dont think you have a choice in the matter. |
| 19:53.00 | Zandose | what are you trying to do? |
| 19:55.31 | Bommes | Blizzard doesn't even allow people to play singleplayer maps without bnet delay. |
| 19:55.45 | Bommes | So no, they probably don't plan to implement a setting like that. |
| 19:55.57 | Zandose | you can edit some things though |
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| 20:07.39 | Dzuke911 | Hi |
| 20:07.44 | Zandose | does a timer set to 0 also work like a wait of 0? |
| 20:07.46 | Zandose | hi |
| 20:08.33 | Dzuke911 | Is ti possible to not close submenu in command card on button clicked? |
| 20:08.39 | Dzuke911 | is it* |
| 20:09.03 | Dzuke911 | no i think |
| 20:09.11 | Dzuke911 | its about timer |
| 20:10.21 | Dustin|Work | Zandose, it does not |
| 20:10.35 | Zandose | how fast does a timer work? |
| 20:10.46 | Dustin|Work | Same speed as the engine |
| 20:10.55 | Zandose | ok |
| 20:11.02 | Dustin|Work | might be a little slower actually if I remember right |
| 20:11.20 | Dustin|Work | In WC3 Timers were the way to go, in SC2, waits are prefered for accuracy |
| 20:11.29 | Zandose | thanks |
| 20:11.31 | Dustin|Work | np |
| 20:13.24 | Kueken | Zandose: a 0 wait is the only way to achieve a 0.03125 interval, a 0 timer or 0.03125 timer doesn't work |
| 20:13.44 | Kueken | also, as Dustin said |
| 20:13.47 | Zandose | okay. got it |
| 20:13.57 | Kueken | no reason to use a timer unless you actually need the timer window |
| 20:14.26 | Dzuke911 | so what about submenu? anybody trying to solve that problem? |
| 20:14.57 | Kueken | Dzuke911: there should be a flag for that |
| 20:15.17 | Kueken | in the command card where you set up the button for the submenu, I believe |
| 20:17.10 | Dzuke911 | hmm... "sticky" and "submenu full validation", never paid any attention to it, thx Kueken |
| 20:20.40 | Dzuke911 | it doesnt work as i thought =( |
| 20:20.49 | Dzuke911 | i trying to did it for learn ability |
| 20:22.19 | Dzuke911 | if i have 2 skill points to spent i should enter submenu 2 times with "sticky" flag unchecked, but with checked it doesnt close when i spent all skill points. |
| 20:23.34 | Dzuke911 | is it possible to make this submenu more user friendly =) |
| 20:23.36 | proprietarysucks | what's the best way to be able to attach attacks to units |
| 20:23.50 | proprietarysucks | such that they are not actually attacking, but attacks are coming from them |
| 20:24.59 | Kueken | Dzuke911: nope, not possible. Either it closes for every use or it stays open until cancelled |
| 20:25.24 | Kueken | proprietarysucks: what do you mean by "attacks are coming from them? |
| 20:25.38 | proprietarysucks | like the battleships games from wc3 |
| 20:26.02 | proprietarysucks | you just move a boat around and depending on what items you have, missiles shoot from your unit automatically |
| 20:26.06 | Kueken | behavior -> periodically execute a search effect -> launch missile |
| 20:26.17 | Dzuke911 | search area -> launch effect |
| 20:26.22 | proprietarysucks | perfect thanks |
| 20:26.25 | Dzuke911 | y Kueken first |
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| 20:28.56 | proprietarysucks | and then a damage effect on impact for any damage right? |
| 20:29.03 | ArcanePariah | Yes |
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| 20:37.16 | proprietarysucks | yay it works thanks |
| 20:37.35 | proprietarysucks | running around with scv while yomato fires off his back killing lings |
| 20:37.36 | proprietarysucks | haha |
| 20:40.04 | proprietarysucks | I have to say, the item slots look like shiet. how are people making the nicer ones? |
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| 20:46.13 | ArcanePariah | Are you talking empty slots? |
| 20:46.30 | ArcanePariah | talking about* |
| 20:46.41 | Zolden | what's "swarm guardian"? isn't it from hots? |
| 20:47.10 | proprietarysucks | What I mean to say is I just went through a little tutorial and made some items and an inventory |
| 20:47.13 | ArcanePariah | Actually no, it was in WoL, un used, but the model and such were present. The model is used in Desert Strike and Starbattle |
| 20:47.32 | proprietarysucks | in game the slots are very very small and you can only alight them left or right |
| 20:47.43 | ArcanePariah | Oh... that... yeah... |
| 20:47.48 | proprietarysucks | and the interface to them is odd, with little ... box to close it and stuff |
| 20:47.58 | ArcanePariah | Ok, the align left and right is hardcoded, it can not be changed |
| 20:48.15 | ArcanePariah | However, you can manipulate the UI itself to control what it thinks "left" and "right" are |
| 20:48.24 | ArcanePariah | You will need to use the UI editor |
| 20:48.29 | ArcanePariah | and alter the frames |
| 20:48.42 | ArcanePariah | To change the size of the buttons or anything about the inventory containers |
| 20:49.03 | ArcanePariah | At some point we hope Blizzard changes that and also finishes their in game UI editor |
| 20:49.48 | ArcanePariah | THere is a WIP in game editor for the UI, if you are single player testing, hit F12 to see it |
| 20:49.49 | Zolden | ok |
| 20:52.03 | proprietarysucks | f12 doesnt do anything for me |
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| 20:58.12 | Ownage | got d/c, last thing i saw was me saying f12 did 0 |
| 21:07.47 | Ahli | ctrl + alt + F12 |
| 21:08.08 | Ahli | or whatever is specified in the hotkeys in the game |
| 21:08.20 | Ahli | UI editor has its own section |
| 21:09.57 | Ownage | thnx, well I'll assume for now that it can be changed to roughly what I want and work on more fun stuff in the meantime |
| 21:10.23 | Ownage | I keep abandoning maps because I do all this fancy stuff and always forget to make the actual map |
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| 21:16.56 | Ahli | holy f*ck man http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zEObRyj4rg |
| 21:18.38 | Dustin|Work | What is it |
| 21:18.46 | Dustin|Work | I can't watch videos at the office atm |
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| 21:19.56 | Kueken | Ownage: I know the feeling :d |
| 21:20.00 | Ahli | someone remade the broodwar intro with acting |
| 21:20.13 | Dustin|Work | Oh nice |
| 21:20.15 | Ahli | and it's not super trash... |
| 21:20.23 | Zolden | Triceron wanna see improved death anim? |
| 21:20.30 | Triceron | sure |
| 21:20.46 | Zolden | realy? i thought you say no |
| 21:20.59 | Kueken | Ahli: I agree, pretty good trash |
| 21:21.03 | Kueken | dat zergling x |
| 21:21.03 | Zolden | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/44/459/slime_death.gif |
| 21:21.24 | Kueken | Zolden: don't like it too much |
| 21:22.01 | Zolden | realy? i knew you say it! |
| 21:22.15 | JademusSreg | Hah, pretty nice. |
| 21:22.27 | Kueken | the animation buildup is nice, but it goes into this splurt too fast, the transition doesn't look smooth |
| 21:22.42 | JademusSreg | Poor accents, though. |
| 21:22.42 | Triceron | the splat decal is a nice addition |
| 21:22.56 | Zolden | twodie's idea |
| 21:23.02 | Zolden | he's a little modelling genius |
| 21:23.38 | Zolden | Kueken it's an explosion, should it be slow? |
| 21:23.55 | Kueken | not sure how to describe it properly... |
| 21:24.16 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fNqjcWZhCEA#t=8 for comparison (broodwar intro) |
| 21:24.24 | Kueken | it looks a little as if you turn down graphics settings and make a marine use its low quality death animations |
| 21:24.25 | Zolden | JademusSreg accents for little girls, alot of everything ftw! |
| 21:24.27 | JademusSreg | Between WoL and HotS, Blizz changed how it approached "gooey" textures. |
| 21:25.11 | Kueken | the buildup, the trembling and the actual explosion is nice, but it does look like the model just disappears and is replaced by the explosion |
| 21:25.22 | Zolden | Kueken this is true, and I'd use slime's material if they fix the bug i've been reportnig for 3 months, now we are a bit restricted |
| 21:25.25 | JademusSreg | HotS gooey stuff definitely looks more gooey. =D |
| 21:25.32 | Kueken | not really that it is the model itself that is exploding |
| 21:25.49 | Zolden | yea. hots improved goo's |
| 21:25.53 | JademusSreg | Could start creating particles inside the slime's volume. |
| 21:26.08 | JademusSreg | Release them when the slime geometry is hidden. |
| 21:26.23 | Kueken | keep the lower part of the body around for a little while |
| 21:26.54 | Kueken | and make it fade out in some sort of puddle |
| 21:27.04 | Zolden | yea, there were hidden remnants in what Triceron gave me, but i was lazy to use it |
| 21:27.17 | Zolden | hope he will in the final version |
| 21:27.41 | Kueken | also note that I am totally nitpicking, its probably absolutely fine as it is |
| 21:28.35 | Zolden | perfect ideal image is the only thing to compare, i totally agree |
| 21:29.02 | Zolden | we can't excuse shit, there's too much of it around |
| 21:29.34 | Triceron | I made a slime ball model too |
| 21:29.45 | Triceron | apparantly they use the same animations as the big dudes |
| 21:29.58 | Zolden | ideally would be to cut the mesh, add physic bodies and use force to imitate body exposion\ |
| 21:29.59 | Triceron | just less bones |
| 21:30.28 | Zolden | what's slime ball? |
| 21:31.02 | Triceron | http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090112130642/wowwiki/images/1/13/Sewage_Slime.jpg |
| 21:31.24 | Zolden | what does it do? |
| 21:31.28 | Zolden | like an egg? |
| 21:31.36 | Triceron | no, it's just like that big slime |
| 21:31.40 | Triceron | cept with less animation to it |
| 21:31.42 | Zolden | were they in the eggs in wc1? |
| 21:31.44 | Triceron | just jiggles and shit |
| 21:31.54 | Zolden | oh, i see |
| 21:31.54 | Triceron | dunno |
| 21:32.03 | Ownage | I've got a behavior which searches and fires missile to a target every .5. I stacked the behavior 6 times but now if I run into a croud of units all 6 missiles always target the same unit. how can I make them not always target like that |
| 21:32.49 | Kueken | does it have to be stacks? |
| 21:33.33 | Ownage | well they are coming from items |
| 21:33.46 | Kueken | it should be possible using markers, but the method I know as working wouldn't interact well with the stacks probably |
| 21:33.54 | Ownage | so, not entirely sure if that answers you, but my first thought was stack |
| 21:33.58 | Kueken | but there should be a way to make it work anyway |
| 21:34.25 | Ownage | if someone picks up 2 of the same item I want them to now have 2 independent attacks, just like in those old battleships games |
| 21:34.29 | Kueken | oh wait |
| 21:34.49 | Kueken | you don't want it to target always the same, but it should be possible to target the same right? |
| 21:35.00 | Ownage | as it is now it just *looks* as if it's just changing the attack speed |
| 21:35.04 | Kueken | random distribution or equal? |
| 21:35.08 | Ownage | yes exactly |
| 21:35.21 | Ownage | hmmm let me think about that |
| 21:35.30 | Ownage | equal I think is best there |
| 21:35.39 | Kueken | if you want the WC3 battleships way it would be random |
| 21:35.54 | Ownage | ok yeah that then |
| 21:35.57 | Kueken | random is also way easier to realize |
| 21:36.05 | Ownage | sold |
| 21:36.11 | Kueken | but if you think equal works better for your map, I can try that |
| 21:36.25 | Ownage | I want it to be as close to those maps as possible |
| 21:36.37 | Kueken | random would be as easy as going to your search effect, search for the Target Sorts + field |
| 21:36.41 | Kueken | and add TSRandom |
| 21:37.24 | Ownage | any request count or percentage? |
| 21:37.29 | Kueken | nope |
| 21:41.48 | Ownage | a little bit hard to tell but it looks the same |
| 21:41.58 | Ownage | let me set up some high hp units and look further |
| 21:42.49 | *** join/#sc2mapster MoonEater (6c586101@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.88.97.1) |
| 21:43.00 | MoonEater | hihi |
| 21:43.06 | MoonEater | KUEKEN!!!! |
| 21:43.25 | Kueken | some day I will have to mute you ;) |
| 21:43.34 | MoonEater | i just wanted to say hi |
| 21:43.34 | Zolden | and i |
| 21:43.44 | MoonEater | lol |
| 21:43.46 | MoonEater | zoldenw as next |
| 21:43.47 | MoonEater | well |
| 21:43.51 | MoonEater | otixa was |
| 21:44.13 | MoonEater | why do u guys want to mute me? |
| 21:44.25 | MoonEater | i thought we moved on to some weird friendship |
| 21:44.28 | Zolden | to make you cry |
| 21:44.46 | Kueken | kisses MoonEater |
| 21:44.53 | Kueken | with tongue! |
| 21:44.53 | Zolden | fucks MoonEater |
| 21:44.59 | Kueken | ew |
| 21:45.02 | Zolden | with cucumber |
| 21:45.06 | Kueken | now thats too weird for me |
| 21:45.16 | MoonEater | interesting friendship we got going |
| 21:45.24 | MoonEater | i think it would be of better use on jade tho |
| 21:45.32 | MoonEater | he needs to loosen up i suspect |
| 21:45.38 | MoonEater | and cucumbers r good |
| 21:45.47 | MoonEater | once u dislodge the stick |
| 21:46.28 | MoonEater | that would have been better if jade wasnt away :( |
| 21:46.46 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 21:47.06 | MoonEater | SCORE! |
| 21:47.10 | MoonEater | HI JADE! |
| 21:47.25 | MoonEater | im just saying LOOSEN UP DUDE!!! |
| 21:47.26 | MoonEater | XD |
| 21:47.35 | MoonEater | get it? with the cucumber n all.... |
| 21:47.39 | MoonEater | was funny... |
| 21:47.40 | JademusSreg | I'm always loosened up and festive, highly comedic in demeanor. |
| 21:47.54 | MoonEater | passive agressive is more like ti! |
| 21:48.03 | Kueken | nothing better to loosen up than dismembering a little MoonEater |
| 21:48.16 | MoonEater | harsh.. |
| 21:48.50 | MoonEater | work is lookign to put me on a nation wide project so im particuarly hopefully happy |
| 21:49.03 | MoonEater | catch me in a day or 2 when im pissed off i didnt get the position |
| 21:49.40 | MoonEater | anyways i get to travel all the westerstates if im put on the project |
| 21:49.49 | MoonEater | like a giant vacation |
| 21:50.34 | JademusSreg | I quip in the face of disaster, laugh maniacally at danger. |
| 21:52.32 | MoonEater | sounds like a serial killer to meh |
| 21:53.24 | MoonEater | JAde |
| 21:53.53 | MoonEater | did u send stewox to the forums to administer his issues onto us? |
| 21:55.05 | JademusSreg | Nope. I expect he got the clue after being repeatedly removed from the channel, and predictably routed his mind-sewage elsewhere. |
| 21:56.01 | Dustin|Work | Fucking Stewox |
| 21:57.10 | MoonEater | LOLZ |
| 21:57.13 | MoonEater | i like stewox |
| 21:57.16 | MoonEater | hes a nice guy |
| 21:57.55 | MoonEater | dont agree with alot fo his theroys but all he really wants is to be listened to. although i did tell him this is probably the worst place for that. |
| 21:58.03 | MoonEater | cause most of us are ego maniacs |
| 21:58.10 | MoonEater | not to mention extreme cases |
| 21:58.17 | MoonEater | coughs egod |
| 21:59.15 | JademusSreg | Just drop the d; it's extraneous. |
| 21:59.16 | Zolden | Dustin|Work what? |
| 21:59.35 | Dustin|Work | huh? |
| 21:59.45 | Zolden | JaemusSreg |
| 22:00.01 | Zolden | Dustin|Work I just was curious about your Stewox related note |
| 22:00.04 | Dustin|Work | Oh |
| 22:00.18 | Triceron | I'm so happy there's a mute option on mirc |
| 22:00.27 | Zolden | but not on forum! |
| 22:00.34 | Dustin|Work | Ya, they were talking about him and I remembered I hated him |
| 22:00.39 | Dustin|Work | So I let everyone know |
| 22:00.40 | Triceron | the forum I can selectively avoid |
| 22:00.46 | Zolden | when i see Stewox under some thread, i understand: the thread is fucked |
| 22:00.56 | Triceron | was he doing that there too? |
| 22:01.02 | Zolden | i guess |
| 22:01.12 | Zolden | who would take a look |
| 22:01.22 | Zolden | only a spammer |
| 22:02.10 | MoonEater | i looked |
| 22:02.13 | MoonEater | and replied |
| 22:02.21 | MoonEater | like i said |
| 22:02.30 | MoonEater | kid needs some attenction |
| 22:03.14 | MoonEater | Jade, u should go be his close friend |
| 22:03.26 | MoonEater | then afterward can u be my friend? |
| 22:03.31 | MoonEater | puppy eyes |
| 22:07.47 | MoonEater | lolz |
| 22:11.02 | Bommes | ... there is no search bar in the style editor? |
| 22:14.56 | ArcanePariah | Ok, Actor/Effect question, when I have a splat actor to show the area of effect for a search area or damage effect, and the effect location is set to target unit, during the targeting, the splat snaps to the closest unit in the area of effect, how can I make it so it does not exhibit this behavior and have it simply show the splat without snapping the cursor to a unit |
| 22:15.17 | ArcanePariah | Do I need to change the Layer of the Splat Actor? |
| 22:15.21 | Kueken | make the ability only target ground |
| 22:15.34 | Kueken | not unit/point, just point |
| 22:15.36 | ArcanePariah | Well, I need it to target a unit, not a point |
| 22:15.57 | Kueken | well, then it will snap because otherwise it wouldn't correctly represent the target area |
| 22:17.38 | ArcanePariah | Oh wait, I think I know what is causing it and how to fix it, the default splat actor has a site op, BasicScopeFollow, it must be snapping it the target scope |
| 22:20.39 | ArcanePariah | Ok, nvm, yeah, its snapping it since the impact will be centered on the target, it doesn't matter where on the unit you place the cursor |
| 22:21.24 | MoonEater | well shit |
| 22:21.33 | MoonEater | my trigger is causing massiv elag |
| 22:26.04 | JademusSreg | Aaaaand? |
| 22:29.09 | Kueken | penis! |
| 22:31.56 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bibendus (Bibendus@ip-80-249-36-63.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) |
| 22:33.57 | MoonEater | right.. |
| 22:35.14 | Bommes | I don't get the default fonts available in the Text Editor at all |
| 22:35.17 | Bommes | they all look the same |
| 22:35.22 | Bommes | and they all look like ass |
| 22:38.30 | Bommes | do I have to import font types into a specific assets folder or something to be able to use them? |
| 22:38.55 | MoonEater | some arnt |
| 22:38.57 | MoonEater | but alot all |
| 22:39.05 | MoonEater | some also auto scale |
| 22:39.58 | Bommes | Hm? Was that in response to my question? |
| 22:40.58 | Ahli | I think they just appear there |
| 22:41.07 | Ahli | when you close and re-open that module |
| 22:41.12 | Ahli | after saving the map |
| 22:41.46 | Bommes | so I can import to any folder I want? |
| 22:42.04 | Bommes | no folder at all seems to work |
| 22:42.20 | Ahli | "fonts" is the folder I use in gameheart's interface. "UI\fonts" is what I used in my diablo map |
| 22:42.29 | Bommes | kk, thx |
| 22:44.10 | Ahli | "UI\Fonts"... but it shouldn't matter... I think |
| 22:45.34 | Bommes | yeah base folder works, if both UI\Fonts and \Fonts works I guess everything should work |
| 22:52.26 | MoonEater | Kueken, what does idle mean? |
| 22:52.39 | *** join/#sc2mapster rtschutter (~rtschutte@ip174-68-90-32.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 22:53.39 | Kueken | doing nothing, hanging around |
| 22:53.52 | Kueken | or what context are you referring to? |
| 22:54.24 | Kueken | a unit's idle behavior is executed randomly when it does nothing else |
| 22:54.32 | MoonEater | well |
| 22:54.34 | Kueken | it may turn, wlak around, play animations.. |
| 22:54.41 | MoonEater | im talking about trigger events |
| 22:54.50 | MoonEater | idle would be not moving i would think |
| 22:54.53 | MoonEater | speed =0 |
| 22:54.54 | Kueken | good to now |
| 22:55.02 | Kueken | +k |
| 22:55.10 | Zolden | indeed |
| 22:55.10 | Kueken | unit becomes idle? |
| 22:55.12 | MoonEater | k? energy? |
| 22:55.27 | MoonEater | which k is that k? |
| 22:55.41 | Kueken | now -> know |
| 22:55.51 | MoonEater | ah |
| 22:55.57 | MoonEater | that k |
| 22:56.29 | Bommes | Can I change the Font Shadow or Outline color from black to something else? Maybe in the Game UI Data or something? |
| 22:56.45 | Kueken | anyway unit becomes idle should trigger every time a unit is finished with its current orders |
| 22:57.28 | MoonEater | so |
| 22:57.30 | MoonEater | ok |
| 22:57.32 | MoonEater | thats cool |
| 23:03.16 | *** join/#sc2mapster Deathbringer (60fbc509@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.251.197.9) |
| 23:03.21 | Deathbringer | Hello |
| 23:03.45 | Deathbringer | Anyone here that could help with a problem? |
| 23:04.01 | MoonEater | ya |
| 23:04.03 | MoonEater | bro |
| 23:04.04 | MoonEater | wassup |
| 23:04.11 | Deathbringer | Hey man |
| 23:04.15 | MoonEater | didnt i tell u not to ask? |
| 23:04.16 | Deathbringer | LF help, you? |
| 23:04.24 | MoonEater | lf? |
| 23:04.30 | Deathbringer | Looking for |
| 23:04.38 | Deathbringer | Why dont I need to ask? |
| 23:04.40 | MoonEater | im here administering help |
| 23:04.52 | Deathbringer | Oh lol |
| 23:04.57 | MoonEater | and anoying kueken, Zolden, Oxita, and jade |
| 23:05.08 | Deathbringer | Well I need help to make no one attack for 60 seconds. |
| 23:05.09 | MoonEater | and then askign question |
| 23:05.11 | Deathbringer | A trigger |
| 23:05.18 | MoonEater | move but not attack? |
| 23:05.20 | Deathbringer | Not even npcs |
| 23:05.23 | Deathbringer | Yes. |
| 23:05.32 | MoonEater | bunch of ways to do it |
| 23:05.42 | Deathbringer | Kk tell me the best and simple way. |
| 23:06.03 | MoonEater | well i would think if theres not already an action |
| 23:06.11 | MoonEater | just to disable attack ability |
| 23:06.26 | Kueken | need more specifics. No auto-attack but manual orders still ok? using abilites yes/no? damaging abilities? |
| 23:06.30 | MoonEater | u would also need to disable psi storms |
| 23:06.46 | Kueken | harvesting, building units ok? |
| 23:07.00 | Kueken | what type of map are we even talking about? |
| 23:07.30 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.32 | Deathbringer | I'm using this. |
| 23:07.53 | Deathbringer | But it doesn't work well. |
| 23:08.00 | Kueken | whats the problem? |
| 23:08.58 | MoonEater | try Disable ability for unit |
| 23:09.21 | Deathbringer | To make no one attack for 60 seconds. |
| 23:10.52 | Deathbringer | So any triggers? |
| 23:11.26 | *** join/#sc2mapster proprietarysucks (~proprieta@118.195.65.95) |
| 23:11.31 | Deathbringer | ? |
| 23:12.08 | MoonEater | ?? |
| 23:12.12 | MoonEater | [16:09] <MoonEater> try Disable ability for unit |
| 23:12.15 | Kueken | Deathbringer: I need you to provide more information |
| 23:12.23 | Kueken | (01:07:55) Deathbringer: But it doesn't work well. |
| 23:12.28 | Kueken | that doesn't help me |
| 23:12.34 | Deathbringer | Like idk... |
| 23:12.45 | Kueken | what exactly doesn't work? |
| 23:12.55 | Deathbringer | Give me a moment to test it again then. |
| 23:12.56 | Kueken | just nothing happens? |
| 23:13.17 | MoonEater | lolz |
| 23:13.19 | MoonEater | oh well |
| 23:14.54 | Deathbringer | What happens is |
| 23:15.06 | Deathbringer | The Mobs/Npc attacks when I make them not to. |
| 23:15.22 | Kueken | so your trigger has no effect at all? |
| 23:15.40 | Deathbringer | I suppose not. |
| 23:15.48 | Kueken | alright then |
| 23:16.03 | Zolden | 14 hours of mapmaking so far |
| 23:16.09 | Kueken | next thing I would try is applying a behavior to all units |
| 23:16.15 | Deathbringer | What behavior? |
| 23:16.26 | Kueken | I would create a new one |
| 23:16.37 | Deathbringer | That does...? |
| 23:16.48 | Kueken | disallow attacking :D |
| 23:17.01 | Deathbringer | Idk how to do that? |
| 23:17.08 | Kueken | coming to that |
| 23:17.09 | Deathbringer | I know how to make a behavior but that does that idk. |
| 23:17.43 | Kueken | k, some more information I need first: |
| 23:17.58 | Kueken | you want units to not attack. |
| 23:18.08 | Kueken | do you want them to not be able to attack at all? |
| 23:18.15 | Kueken | or just not auto-engage |
| 23:18.25 | Kueken | so a manual attack order would still work |
| 23:18.45 | Deathbringer | Not attack at all for 60 seconds. |
| 23:19.17 | Kueken | okay |
| 23:19.24 | Kueken | using abilities yes/no? |
| 23:19.59 | Deathbringer | Like Stimpack or Attack? |
| 23:20.21 | Kueken | anything other than attacking, stimpack, psistorm, moving, harvesting... |
| 23:21.49 | Kueken | ? |
| 23:23.11 | MoonEater | soryr im back |
| 23:23.13 | Deathbringer | Yes they can use abilitys |
| 23:23.16 | MoonEater | mayor is campainging hard |
| 23:23.17 | Deathbringer | Just not attack. |
| 23:23.19 | MoonEater | doing door to door |
| 23:23.25 | MoonEater | and some other people |
| 23:23.30 | MoonEater | they really trying hard |
| 23:24.20 | Kueken | just a second checking myself |
| 23:26.20 | Deathbringer | Kk |
| 23:27.02 | MoonEater | well |
| 23:27.12 | MoonEater | i would do a behavior perhaps |
| 23:27.27 | Deathbringer | He recommended that, hes checking it up for me |
| 23:27.41 | MoonEater | it should work |
| 23:27.43 | Kueken | oh, thats interesting |
| 23:27.44 | MoonEater | u can disable attacks |
| 23:27.48 | MoonEater | and abilities in bulk |
| 23:27.50 | MoonEater | by type |
| 23:27.54 | Deathbringer | How? |
| 23:27.59 | MoonEater | behavior |
| 23:28.11 | Deathbringer | Ik but how to make? |
| 23:29.13 | MoonEater | go to data |
| 23:29.17 | MoonEater | make a buf behavior |
| 23:29.24 | MoonEater | then apply it via triggers |
| 23:29.29 | MoonEater | pretty easy |
| 23:29.39 | MoonEater | just a buch of check boxes and sucj |
| 23:30.06 | MoonEater | u will find that behaviors r very useful |
| 23:30.21 | Kueken | :p |
| 23:30.36 | Kueken | your code just hides the attack ability button in the command card |
| 23:30.43 | Kueken | sounds useful >.< |
| 23:30.52 | Kueken | thanks Blizzard |
| 23:30.53 | Deathbringer | Ik it does |
| 23:31.26 | Deathbringer | Behavior Made: Disable Attack > Abilitys Disabled > Attack |
| 23:31.28 | Deathbringer | Correct? |
| 23:31.37 | MoonEater | yep |
| 23:31.44 | MoonEater | u can also do others 1 sec let me check |
| 23:32.15 | MoonEater | ya |
| 23:32.20 | MoonEater | go down the disable ability list |
| 23:32.26 | MoonEater | and check everything but move |
| 23:32.33 | MoonEater | that will disable anything else like psi storm |
| 23:32.36 | MoonEater | or arm nuke |
| 23:32.39 | MoonEater | or blink |
| 23:33.32 | Kueken | Deathbringer: sounds good |
| 23:33.39 | Deathbringer | Kk |
| 23:33.47 | Kueken | now you just have to apply it to all units |
| 23:33.57 | Kueken | do you know how to do that? |
| 23:35.03 | MoonEater | his game |
| 23:35.09 | MoonEater | has only 1 unit usually |
| 23:35.18 | Deathbringer | Kinda |
| 23:35.29 | MoonEater | pick each unit in unit group |
| 23:35.39 | MoonEater | and apply buff when needed |
| 23:35.50 | MoonEater | `or whatr not |
| 23:37.45 | Deathbringer | II dont see it |
| 23:37.54 | Deathbringer | I don't see pick each unit in unit group |
| 23:39.04 | MoonEater | its an action |
| 23:39.07 | MoonEater | in triggers |
| 23:41.28 | Deathbringer | Ik but |
| 23:41.29 | Deathbringer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.30 | Deathbringer | For this? |
| 23:41.37 | Deathbringer | What do I put for "Unit"? |
| 23:41.48 | Kueken | function tab -> Picked Unit |
| 23:42.07 | Deathbringer | Oh... I'm stupid. |
| 23:52.03 | Zolden | closes editro |
| 23:52.09 | Zolden | what a nice mapmaking day |
| 23:52.20 | Kueken | editro agrees |
| 23:52.35 | Triceron | Mmmm, pumpkin pie |
| 23:53.09 | Zolden | some canadian grew the hugest pumpkin in the world |
| 23:53.23 | Zolden | 400kg (is i remember correct) |
| 23:54.10 | Bommes | Hm, I'm still amazed by how many Persistents and Periodic Checks and Periodic Triggers I can stack on top of the SC2 engine and somehow the whole thing still runs faster than a normal SC2 game for me |
| 23:54.38 | Kueken | and then he carved a face in it and called it american citizen |
| 23:54.54 | Triceron | then ate it |
| 23:55.10 | Kueken | effectively making him a cannibale |
| 23:55.26 | Triceron | he was arrested soon after |
| 23:55.54 | Zolden | and i'm amazed that having itself in launch impact effect doesn't ruin the game, just spams alot of launches |
| 23:56.16 | Zolden | he was arrested my walking carrot? |
| 23:56.21 | Bommes | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-h4CnI2JI0 |
| 23:57.32 | Triceron | ohh, very explodey |
| 23:57.42 | Zolden | what is that bommes? |
| 23:57.54 | Zolden | that game when you attack other guys? |
| 23:58.29 | Kueken | that looks very confusing, totally uncontrollable, but also very polished and potentially entertaining |
| 23:58.53 | Zolden | how was the name of that game where you kill other guys? |
| 23:58.56 | Bommes | yeah I'm not planning on having that many units on the screen at once |
| 23:59.21 | Bommes | like that doesn't make any sense |
| 23:59.24 | Zolden | after 15 housr of data mapmaking i feel like i'm high |
| 23:59.48 | Zolden | can say stupid shit and feel laughy about |
| 23:59.53 | Kueken | liek |
| 23:59.57 | Kueken | *like |
| 23:59.59 | Kueken | penis |
