| 00:00.12 | PusH | i need to find what the cargo unit is when the buff is applies for use in an actor |
| 00:01.01 | MoonEater_ | uh... ur not making much sense |
| 00:01.09 | MoonEater_ | bunker has a rang +2 buff |
| 00:01.16 | MoonEater_ | for units inside itse;f |
| 00:01.25 | MoonEater_ | u can apply behaviors to cargo units |
| 00:01.46 | PusH | no im apply the buff to the bunker |
| 00:01.56 | PusH | the bunker has an addon model |
| 00:01.57 | MoonEater_ | its not actor |
| 00:02.04 | PusH | the model needs to change depending on the cargo |
| 00:02.07 | MoonEater_ | ah |
| 00:02.09 | MoonEater_ | well |
| 00:02.15 | MoonEater_ | then u would need a actor |
| 00:02.21 | PusH | the model thos isn;t the bunkers won |
| 00:02.22 | PusH | own |
| 00:02.25 | PusH | its an addon |
| 00:02.29 | MoonEater_ | u would have the actor validate |
| 00:02.35 | MoonEater_ | cargo unit |
| 00:02.40 | MoonEater_ | via validators |
| 00:02.46 | MoonEater_ | im not good at explaining this tho |
| 00:02.47 | MoonEater_ | Kueken |
| 00:02.56 | PusH | there is no valid for cargo unit |
| 00:03.02 | PusH | just cargo count |
| 00:03.25 | MoonEater_ | a work around would be behavior dummy |
| 00:03.33 | MoonEater_ | u can validate behaviors |
| 00:03.36 | MoonEater_ | in actor |
| 00:03.38 | PusH | true |
| 00:03.43 | PusH | then i need 6 buffs |
| 00:03.47 | Kueken | someone called? |
| 00:03.48 | MoonEater_ | yes/// |
| 00:03.52 | PusH | id rather see if i can do it once |
| 00:03.57 | PusH | ye kueken |
| 00:03.59 | MoonEater_ | u can use triggers |
| 00:04.08 | PusH | no thx |
| 00:04.10 | MoonEater_ | send actor message |
| 00:05.04 | Kueken | okay, Push, you want the bunker actor to do something when a specific type of unit enters it? |
| 00:05.27 | Kueken | like a visual indication which type of unit entered? |
| 00:05.37 | PusH | rather an addon model to the bunker to do something when unit enters |
| 00:06.09 | Kueken | but purely visual, no effect on gameplay? |
| 00:06.12 | PusH | the buff changes the owner of the bunker through the loading abilities load cargo effect |
| 00:06.13 | MoonEater_ | Zolden, if ur still there which texture should i swap, diffuse? |
| 00:06.14 | PusH | nope |
| 00:06.17 | PusH | just visual |
| 00:06.47 | PusH | or yes rather |
| 00:06.52 | PusH | you are correct |
| 00:06.59 | Kueken | gotcha |
| 00:07.32 | PusH | can actors check for a target off a buff? |
| 00:07.40 | PusH | of* |
| 00:08.53 | Kueken | actors can check validators and validators can check buffs |
| 00:08.59 | Kueken | to a limited extend |
| 00:09.23 | PusH | so sounds like the only way is with a buff per unit type |
| 00:09.45 | Kueken | my first approach would be determining how the bunker's animation is handled when a unit is entered, you probably did that already |
| 00:10.06 | PusH | the addon just creates the actor when the buff is applied |
| 00:10.54 | Kueken | no, I mean by default the bunker plays a different animation when it is occupied |
| 00:11.06 | PusH | not really |
| 00:11.10 | PusH | just changes owner |
| 00:11.16 | PusH | its a turret rather |
| 00:11.21 | PusH | but the a cargo ability |
| 00:11.25 | Kueken | the default melee bunker |
| 00:11.35 | Kueken | plays an animation when a unit enters it |
| 00:11.43 | Kueken | which has to be handled by an actor message |
| 00:11.44 | PusH | srry its a auto turret |
| 00:12.10 | PusH | im adding a unit behind to control it (visually) when a unit is loading into its cargo |
| 00:12.11 | Zolden | MoonEater_ the only one model uses |
| 00:12.23 | MoonEater_ | ? |
| 00:12.27 | Kueken | yeah, got that |
| 00:13.09 | MoonEater_ | oh |
| 00:14.15 | PusH | whats the difference between valid unit and valid unit type in actors? |
| 00:14.56 | MoonEater_ | Zolden when i texture swap this i dont need a prefix correct? |
| 00:16.21 | PusH | imma try different buffs per unit ype |
| 00:17.19 | Zolden | why ask me i never used that swap |
| 00:17.30 | Kueken | PusH: they are meant to be used in certain situations |
| 00:17.32 | MoonEater_ | KUEKEN!!! |
| 00:17.33 | MoonEater_ | XD |
| 00:17.49 | Kueken | MoonEater_: you always need a prefix |
| 00:18.05 | Kueken | yay, made the game crash |
| 00:18.11 | MoonEater_ | but i thought the prefix was based off the prefix in the cutscene previewer |
| 00:19.02 | Kueken | prefix and substring in combination have to identify the texture name |
| 00:19.28 | MoonEater_ | oh... |
| 00:19.39 | Kueken | safest way is usually using the full texture name for both prefix and substring |
| 00:20.16 | MoonEater_ | so what does slot identify? |
| 00:20.55 | Kueken | the slot for your declaration and the swapped texture object have to match |
| 00:21.00 | Kueken | and thats it |
| 00:21.06 | MoonEater_ | so... |
| 00:21.16 | Kueken | its an arbitrary identifier |
| 00:21.31 | MoonEater_ | prefix Tile_Grass |
| 00:21.34 | MoonEater_ | slot main |
| 00:21.37 | MoonEater_ | substrige |
| 00:21.39 | MoonEater_ | diffuse |
| 00:22.05 | MoonEater_ | then on texture |
| 00:22.11 | MoonEater_ | main.diffuse? |
| 00:22.16 | Kueken | or prefix Tile_Grass_Diffuse.dds, substring Tile_Grass_Diffuse.dds, slot main.diffuse |
| 00:22.29 | Kueken | but both should work |
| 00:22.40 | MoonEater_ | wait |
| 00:22.49 | MoonEater_ | it points to the texture directly? |
| 00:22.52 | Kueken | (I didn't look at the name, it might be wrong) |
| 00:23.05 | Kueken | you can enter the full name |
| 00:23.07 | MoonEater_ | its grass.dds |
| 00:23.10 | MoonEater_ | is full |
| 00:23.11 | MoonEater_ | so |
| 00:23.15 | MoonEater_ | prefix is grass |
| 00:23.21 | MoonEater_ | and supbstring is grass? |
| 00:23.28 | Kueken | you can do that |
| 00:23.47 | Kueken | if its the only texture, you can use prefix g substring g |
| 00:24.22 | Kueken | important thing is it correctly identifies the texture and there are no multiple possibilities for this combination of prefix and substring |
| 00:24.28 | MoonEater_ | og |
| 00:24.31 | MoonEater_ | oh... |
| 00:24.37 | MoonEater_ | ur alot better at this than jade is |
| 00:24.42 | MoonEater_ | u should take his job |
| 00:25.07 | Kueken | :P |
| 00:25.12 | Kueken | I doubt that |
| 00:25.25 | MoonEater_ | i think i messed up still |
| 00:25.46 | MoonEater_ | ya no testure swap |
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| 00:27.59 | MoonEater_ | http://pastebin.com/azMWZcgp |
| 00:28.42 | MoonEater_ | http://pastebin.com/jGyx26hp |
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| 00:29.16 | MoonEater_ | Kueken |
| 00:29.21 | MoonEater_ | OH SHIT IT SIXEN |
| 00:29.24 | MoonEater_ | HIDE!!! |
| 00:29.53 | MoonEater_ | hide from the ruler of all |
| 00:30.08 | Triceron | anyone here going to Blizzcon? |
| 00:30.25 | Triceron | or doing that virtual ticket thing? |
| 00:30.38 | Sixen | mmmm |
| 00:31.01 | PusH | shit man soo much work |
| 00:31.14 | PusH | tho it working i wish there was an easier way |
| 00:31.32 | MoonEater_ | Kueken! |
| 00:31.36 | MoonEater_ | lolz |
| 00:31.44 | MoonEater_ | Sixen whar r u doing about |
| 00:31.52 | Zolden | Triceron you should go and steal models |
| 00:31.54 | MoonEater_ | looking for tainted wisp? |
| 00:31.57 | Sixen | lol |
| 00:32.07 | MoonEater_ | hes right over there ----------------> |
| 00:32.10 | Triceron | pssh, I don't need to steal em |
| 00:32.35 | Zolden | yea, you don't need, right, wtf i'm talking about |
| 00:32.49 | PusH | its there an effect to remove all behaviors? |
| 00:32.53 | MoonEater_ | Zolden ur explainign texture swaps to me |
| 00:33.12 | Zolden | no need to checl your pockets for a flash memory with 3d ripper |
| 00:33.45 | Triceron | this memory stick? It's just music is all |
| 00:33.48 | Kueken | PusH: you can use the remove behavior effect to remove a specific category of behaviors, I think |
| 00:35.22 | PusH | yuppers thx |
| 00:35.45 | PusH | i just took out the buff and check all classes and catergories of behaviors |
| 00:35.45 | Kueken | PusH: got something |
| 00:35.54 | PusH | works |
| 00:36.21 | Kueken | if you execute an effect on entering, you can check for unit type via validator |
| 00:36.32 | MoonEater_ | [17:28] <MoonEater_> http://pastebin.com/azMWZcgp [17:28] <MoonEater_> http://pastebin.com/jGyx26hp |
| 00:36.38 | Kueken | only needs 1 generic effect, and a validator per unit type |
| 00:36.38 | MoonEater_ | Kueken! |
| 00:36.51 | PusH | what about buff tho? |
| 00:37.02 | Kueken | don't use any buff atm |
| 00:37.20 | Kueken | MoonEater_: |
| 00:37.27 | Kueken | your actor message correct? |
| 00:37.29 | MoonEater_ | MY LOVE! |
| 00:37.41 | PusH | well i have to get the bunker to apply a buff to itself to change owner |
| 00:37.51 | MoonEater_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.12 | Kueken | oh, yeah, I helped you with that, right? |
| 00:38.13 | PusH | oh maybe i can use the apply effect instead |
| 00:38.39 | Kueken | yeah, thats the exact same effect I used |
| 00:39.03 | MoonEater_ | :( |
| 00:39.10 | MoonEater_ | ahah |
| 00:39.13 | MoonEater_ | i figured it out |
| 00:39.15 | MoonEater_ | sweet |
| 00:39.47 | MoonEater_ | how do i stop auto rotation? |
| 00:41.09 | Kueken | for units? |
| 00:41.25 | MoonEater_ | ya |
| 00:41.27 | Kueken | check their idle settings, or just disable their turning in flags |
| 00:41.28 | MoonEater_ | my grass |
| 00:41.31 | MoonEater_ | is flinging |
| 00:41.34 | MoonEater_ | no no |
| 00:41.42 | MoonEater_ | random rotation when placed |
| 00:41.44 | MoonEater_ | not idling |
| 00:42.09 | Kueken | disable turning or adding a footprint should help |
| 00:42.23 | Kueken | or ctrl + a -> enter -> type angle you need |
| 00:43.14 | PusH | nope no luck |
| 00:48.03 | MoonEater_ | sweet |
| 00:48.09 | MoonEater_ | super long loading time |
| 00:48.11 | MoonEater_ | YES! |
| 00:48.17 | MoonEater_ | populate my map with grass |
| 00:48.21 | MoonEater_ | REAL GRASS |
| 00:48.24 | MoonEater_ | BWHAHAHA |
| 00:48.30 | MoonEater_ | 256x256 tiles!!! |
| 00:50.47 | MoonEater_ | NOOOZZZ |
| 00:50.51 | MoonEater_ | unit limit?!?! |
| 00:51.41 | MoonEater_ | KUEKEN! |
| 00:52.45 | Ahli | 15k? |
| 00:52.50 | MoonEater_ | probably |
| 00:53.24 | Ahli | if you go over 9k you most likely kill the performance anyway |
| 00:53.32 | MoonEater_ | naw |
| 00:53.46 | Ahli | well, at least that happened in my map :D |
| 00:53.52 | MoonEater_ | super low poly and low texture units |
| 00:55.43 | MoonEater_ | and they r spaced out |
| 00:55.47 | MoonEater_ | u cant look at it all at once |
| 00:56.45 | Kueken | doodads |
| 00:58.01 | MoonEater_ | dodads? |
| 00:58.20 | Kueken | doodads instead of units |
| 00:58.31 | MoonEater_ | can i place more dodads? |
| 00:59.07 | MoonEater_ | Kueken? |
| 00:59.18 | Kueken | I believe so |
| 00:59.26 | Kueken | PusH: |
| 00:59.27 | Kueken | https://www.dropbox.com/s/7vrc0n701ieanfw/NeutralBunker.SC2Map |
| 00:59.31 | MoonEater_ | i just change the actor to a dodad? |
| 00:59.47 | Kueken | nah, better create a new one |
| 01:01.33 | Ahli | hopefully the lazarus quest is now fully working... |
| 01:04.09 | PusH | wow thanks Kueken. Thats exactly what im looking for and a whole little cleaner. Event macro was something i never event knew or consider, but till definitely have to take a look |
| 01:05.11 | Kueken | I used the event macro mainly to not clog the main unit actor's events, so you could see better what I actually added |
| 01:06.09 | MoonEater_ | uhoh |
| 01:06.13 | MoonEater_ | i think it crashed... |
| 01:06.15 | MoonEater_ | DAMN U! |
| 01:06.29 | MoonEater_ | could be loading tho... |
| 01:10.06 | MoonEater_ | Kueken |
| 01:10.12 | MoonEater_ | theres an issue |
| 01:10.31 | MoonEater_ | i cant get it to not random scale the damn thing |
| 01:10.37 | MoonEater_ | event tho i told it not to |
| 01:11.11 | MoonEater_ | nvm |
| 01:11.17 | MoonEater_ | 0,0 fixed it |
| 01:14.36 | MoonEater_ | it wont create... |
| 01:14.38 | MoonEater_ | via trigger |
| 01:14.40 | MoonEater_ | bugger |
| 01:18.27 | MoonEater_ | Kueken |
| 01:23.38 | MoonEater_ | hm.... |
| 01:24.55 | MoonEater_ | Kueken? |
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| 01:27.16 | Kueken | ? |
| 01:28.15 | MoonEater_ | it wont create actor via triggers |
| 01:28.19 | MoonEater_ | throws an error |
| 01:29.45 | Kueken | so its a doodad now? |
| 01:29.57 | MoonEater_ | i made a doodad copy |
| 01:30.00 | Kueken | doodads are not supposed to be created via trigger |
| 01:30.00 | MoonEater_ | it works in editor |
| 01:30.03 | MoonEater_ | and if game |
| 01:30.06 | MoonEater_ | preplaced |
| 01:31.02 | MoonEater_ | well shiet |
| 01:31.08 | MoonEater_ | and now my triggers r acting up |
| 01:31.29 | MoonEater_ | its blocking my loop |
| 01:31.35 | MoonEater_ | to fill the damn map |
| 01:32.44 | MoonEater_ | i think its the logn exucution |
| 01:32.46 | MoonEater_ | on the loops |
| 01:43.01 | MoonEater_ | Kueken |
| 01:43.07 | MoonEater_ | how do i add variations |
| 01:43.11 | MoonEater_ | to a actor? |
| 01:43.37 | Kueken | you don't, variations are handled by the model |
| 01:43.57 | MoonEater_ | can i minipulate how often veriances occure? |
| 01:44.03 | Kueken | if it has to be in the actor, you can use ModelSwap messages |
| 01:44.44 | PusH | is there such a thing as a sop that can set a minimum z? |
| 01:44.46 | MoonEater_ | i can do it via model |
| 01:44.58 | MoonEater_ | but i want to minipulate the occurances |
| 01:56.37 | MoonEater_ | Kueken talk to me about variances |
| 01:57.02 | Kueken | nope, I will go to sleep now |
| 01:57.08 | Kueken | good night |
| 01:57.12 | MoonEater_ | damn |
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| 03:36.27 | DarkOne | woot found 3 more Texture Declaration Names |
| 03:59.10 | MoonEater_ | jade |
| 03:59.51 | MoonEater_ | JademusSreg |
| 04:01.21 | DarkOne | anyone know of anymore texture suffixes for Textures slot field other then diffuse, normal, specular, and emissive? |
| 04:01.33 | MoonEater_ | yes |
| 04:01.35 | MoonEater_ | i do |
| 04:01.38 | MoonEater_ | and thats all there is |
| 04:01.42 | MoonEater_ | unless the model has more |
| 04:02.11 | MoonEater_ | open model in cutscene hit shift D |
| 04:02.17 | MoonEater_ | go to materials |
| 04:10.10 | DarkOne | http://snag.gy/aIoKM.jpg for this slow |
| 04:10.36 | MoonEater_ | before or after the . |
| 04:10.43 | MoonEater_ | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/20772-data-actor-events-message-texture-select-by-id/ |
| 04:11.14 | DarkOne | after the . |
| 04:11.31 | MoonEater_ | well those 4 are the common ones |
| 04:11.35 | DarkOne | the ones i know of are diffuse, normal, specular, and emissive |
| 04:11.36 | MoonEater_ | u look them up in cutscene editor |
| 04:11.40 | MoonEater_ | by using |
| 04:11.46 | MoonEater_ | shift D |
| 04:11.58 | DarkOne | i need ones that work in that field |
| 04:12.28 | DarkOne | you can't use just any name |
| 04:12.31 | DarkOne | brb |
| 04:12.44 | MoonEater_ | i know |
| 04:12.53 | MoonEater_ | the list for a model is kept in the model |
| 04:13.11 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 04:13.16 | MoonEater_ | jade |
| 04:13.20 | MoonEater_ | how do i use user log |
| 04:13.27 | JademusSreg | Clarify. |
| 04:13.28 | MoonEater_ | in documents |
| 04:13.32 | MoonEater_ | theres a folder |
| 04:13.34 | MoonEater_ | called |
| 04:13.35 | MoonEater_ | user log |
| 04:13.50 | MoonEater_ | when i was looking at ur map yesterday |
| 04:13.55 | MoonEater_ | i tested it |
| 04:14.01 | MoonEater_ | it make the folder and a file called |
| 04:14.07 | MoonEater_ | damage taken |
| 04:14.09 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 04:14.10 | MoonEater_ | or somthing like that |
| 04:14.17 | MoonEater_ | how do i send messages to text? |
| 04:15.03 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/g3t7p |
| 04:16.58 | MoonEater_ | ok got it |
| 04:17.01 | MoonEater_ | second question |
| 04:17.08 | MoonEater_ | wait |
| 04:17.12 | MoonEater_ | i think i got that 1 2 |
| 04:18.11 | MoonEater_ | yeppers |
| 04:18.15 | MoonEater_ | im cruising |
| 04:18.21 | MoonEater_ | its not so bad once u get moving |
| 04:18.27 | MoonEater_ | but |
| 04:18.47 | MoonEater_ | death animations.... |
| 04:19.34 | MoonEater_ | Jade how would i add frames to a death animation? |
| 04:21.07 | JademusSreg | Model edit, one would expect. |
| 04:21.28 | MoonEater_ | but these r spites.... |
| 04:21.59 | JademusSreg | Your question isn't making sense. |
| 04:22.22 | MoonEater_ | remember im doing sprites |
| 04:22.25 | MoonEater_ | using planes |
| 04:22.31 | MoonEater_ | if a sprite is killed |
| 04:22.45 | MoonEater_ | how would i exucute a series of textures or frames? |
| 04:23.01 | DarkOne | back |
| 04:23.50 | DarkOne | if i name the diffuse texture say hot_sexy i can't use main.sexy as sexy isn't a proper texture suffix |
| 04:24.11 | JademusSreg | Moon, you'd texture select. Sounds awful... fun. |
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| 04:26.06 | JademusSreg | Slot if just how it is referenced. =\ |
| 04:26.12 | MoonEater_ | so |
| 04:26.13 | JademusSreg | *is just |
| 04:26.20 | MoonEater_ | i would do on unit deth |
| 04:26.24 | MoonEater_ | instead of destroy |
| 04:26.30 | MoonEater_ | cycle through textures? |
| 04:27.11 | JademusSreg | Moon, yes. Like I said last night, I wouldn't recommend the approach. So have fun with all that. |
| 04:27.49 | MoonEater_ | u mean recommend sprites in general? |
| 04:27.58 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 04:28.20 | JademusSreg | I mean attempting to do sprite shit with models. |
| 04:29.35 | MoonEater_ | yes i know |
| 04:29.52 | MoonEater_ | so..., there isnt a unit death in actor events? |
| 04:30.06 | MoonEater_ | unitdeathcustomize? |
| 04:48.21 | DarkOne | the only ones i know are .diffuse .normal .emissive .specular |
| 04:48.25 | DarkOne | anymore? |
| 04:48.40 | MoonEater_ | usaly noy |
| 04:48.42 | MoonEater_ | not |
| 04:48.53 | DarkOne | i mean for that slot |
| 04:48.58 | DarkOne | for after the . |
| 04:48.58 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/20772-data-actor-events-message-texture-select-by-id/ |
| 04:49.07 | MoonEater_ | i sent him that already |
| 04:49.34 | DarkOne | that doesn't give me any info i don't already know |
| 04:49.55 | MoonEater_ | JAde |
| 04:50.20 | MoonEater_ | is there any examples of how im suppose to do this death? |
| 04:50.34 | JademusSreg | Haha, that's okay Frostwind. What matters is that slots are both predefined presets and are completely arbitrary. |
| 04:51.52 | MoonEater_ | not this againm... |
| 04:51.54 | JademusSreg | Moon, well, you could simply make a bush unit death actor and handle its texture selects with timers or some such. |
| 04:51.57 | DarkOne | Who's frostwind? |
| 04:52.30 | MoonEater_ | ok i get the idea |
| 04:52.42 | JademusSreg | Frostwind, Iiris, Razernok, DarkOrbis, Lusia, et cetera. |
| 04:53.03 | DarkOne | ?????? |
| 04:53.10 | MoonEater_ | so how would i pass the actor off on death? |
| 04:53.25 | MoonEater_ | theres no unitdeath>create actor |
| 04:53.28 | MoonEater_ | oh wait |
| 04:53.29 | MoonEater_ | nvm |
| 04:53.32 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 04:54.05 | MoonEater_ | would the death actor also be a unit? |
| 04:54.22 | MoonEater_ | i mean unit type actor |
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| 05:30.08 | JademusSreg | Oh, and http://pastebin.com/WpDncUdG |
| 05:34.14 | Triceron | lol |
| 05:35.30 | MoonEater_ | JAde |
| 05:35.44 | MoonEater_ | nvm... |
| 05:35.49 | MoonEater_ | i was thinkign particles |
| 05:35.50 | JademusSreg | Suppose people get on irc thinking they have automagical anonymity? |
| 05:35.52 | MoonEater_ | but it wont work |
| 05:36.22 | JademusSreg | how do i shot hostmask |
| 05:38.14 | JademusSreg | Anyway, moon, you'd use a custom unit death model actor thing, with actor events employing timers and such to flip-book the texture selects. Dunno how much clearer I could express it. |
| 05:39.01 | JademusSreg | But I reiterate this approach is dreadful and I'd sooner experience exterminatus than attempt such a tedious thing. |
| 05:39.20 | MoonEater_ | ya im making the death animation |
| 05:39.24 | MoonEater_ | the long tedious process |
| 05:41.36 | JademusSreg | It would be sooo much simpler with image dialog controls templating from custom image frames with animation elements. |
| 05:45.26 | MoonEater_ | dialogs dont scale properly |
| 05:49.31 | JademusSreg | Scale to what? |
| 06:12.31 | MoonEater_ | jade |
| 06:13.04 | MoonEater_ | how do i start and and event timers? |
| 06:18.44 | MoonEater_ | JademusSreg |
| 06:19.26 | MoonEater_ | oh shit |
| 06:19.30 | MoonEater_ | no... |
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| 06:28.24 | MoonEater_ | JademusSreg |
| 06:28.33 | MoonEater_ | i cant get the second actors to fire off |
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| 06:36.03 | MoonEater_ | geez |
| 06:36.06 | MoonEater_ | tolkfan |
| 06:36.10 | MoonEater_ | u know about actors? |
| 06:38.01 | Tolkfan | nope, I don't do data editor |
| 06:38.07 | Tolkfan | it's the devil |
| 06:38.12 | MoonEater_ | it is |
| 06:38.13 | MoonEater_ | but somtimes |
| 06:38.16 | MoonEater_ | u must do it |
| 06:39.21 | Tolkfan | I promise that the next map I release will be done mostly in triggers. |
| 06:39.34 | Tolkfan | Easy promise, since I haven't released anything in 3 years. |
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| 08:01.10 | KingTD | How to make Missle to fire from specific attachment point like Ref_Weapon? as now it travels from center of the model |
| 08:01.35 | MoonEater_ | launch site |
| 08:01.40 | MoonEater_ | u can edit it |
| 08:01.46 | MoonEater_ | on actors |
| 08:01.51 | MoonEater_ | i forget the details |
| 08:05.49 | KingTD | okay Ic |
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| 08:34.05 | KingTD | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/44/329/MeatWagonInActionSmaller1.gif |
| 08:34.45 | duckies | meat piece lacks impact model :/ |
| 08:34.58 | KingTD | yep |
| 08:35.49 | duckies | other than that and lack of death model - pretty warcrafty |
| 08:36.43 | KingTD | death model? the meat wagon itself? |
| 08:37.32 | duckies | yea |
| 08:49.12 | KingTD | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/44/330/LyatePlaguedvsMeatWagonInAction.gif |
| 08:49.57 | duckies | yay impact models! |
| 08:50.39 | KingTD | ^^ |
| 08:52.47 | MoonEater_ | shit |
| 08:52.52 | MoonEater_ | anyone know |
| 08:53.02 | MoonEater_ | how to stop ability follow? |
| 09:03.59 | MoonEater_ | duckies |
| 09:04.19 | duckies | what do you mean ability follow? |
| 09:04.24 | MoonEater_ | like |
| 09:04.32 | MoonEater_ | i modified a pick up ability |
| 09:04.40 | MoonEater_ | and when u get close to the unit it triggers |
| 09:04.47 | MoonEater_ | but the unit follows |
| 09:04.54 | MoonEater_ | the damn target |
| 09:05.05 | MoonEater_ | forever... |
| 09:05.13 | duckies | which unit follows whom? |
| 09:05.20 | MoonEater_ | basicaly |
| 09:05.23 | MoonEater_ | i take a marine |
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| 09:05.36 | MoonEater_ | and get it close to a rock type custom unit |
| 09:05.42 | MoonEater_ | it triggers a push ability |
| 09:05.50 | Unclesatan | sup |
| 09:05.53 | MoonEater_ | which is a remake of pickup health |
| 09:06.03 | MoonEater_ | the ability triggers cause the marine is close |
| 09:06.05 | MoonEater_ | and then |
| 09:06.14 | MoonEater_ | it follows the marine around the map |
| 09:06.37 | MoonEater_ | i disabled, the move order part of the ability |
| 09:06.44 | MoonEater_ | so, ducky how do i fix this |
| 09:07.26 | Unclesatan | if anyone wanna take a look, i'm having a hard time with this skirt ribbon, it's really hard to shade and such. I had to put the material as unlit to get any desired effect. http://oi44.tinypic.com/9h8efc.jpg |
| 09:07.26 | duckies | so, you if marine comes close to rock, rock detects that someone is close to it and pushes itself in opposite direction? |
| 09:08.00 | MoonEater_ | the push |
| 09:08.02 | MoonEater_ | i disabled it |
| 09:08.04 | MoonEater_ | it works |
| 09:08.10 | MoonEater_ | but i disabled it |
| 09:08.17 | MoonEater_ | so its a dummy ability |
| 09:08.28 | MoonEater_ | the issue is the ability is telling the unit to follow the marine |
| 09:08.31 | MoonEater_ | and theres no effect |
| 09:08.36 | MoonEater_ | duckies |
| 09:08.57 | duckies | aha, and why is it targeting marine? |
| 09:09.05 | MoonEater_ | duno |
| 09:09.13 | duckies | is it trying to apply something on the marine? |
| 09:09.26 | MoonEater_ | effect -target ability |
| 09:09.27 | MoonEater_ | and no |
| 09:09.36 | MoonEater_ | it just needs the marine to triger a push |
| 09:10.31 | duckies | it's probably "unit enters in autocast range of "2" -> apply something to unit that entered, but since abils radius is 0 then it just forever follows the marine" |
| 09:10.51 | MoonEater_ | hm... |
| 09:10.54 | duckies | I dunno, you'd have to post screens or some other stuff |
| 09:10.57 | MoonEater_ | let me adjust the range |
| 09:11.03 | MoonEater_ | currently theres a dummy effect |
| 09:11.21 | duckies | dummy effect, which type is it? |
| 09:11.31 | MoonEater_ | set |
| 09:11.54 | duckies | I see, that's fine |
| 09:12.09 | MoonEater_ | i set auto cast to 1, follow to 0 and range to 1 |
| 09:12.16 | MoonEater_ | still following |
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| 09:12.44 | MoonEater_ | duckies |
| 09:13.09 | duckies | drop me abil screenshot or map since I'm bored |
| 09:15.29 | MoonEater_ | https://www.dropbox.com/s/gvv83kld79urr0v/Untitled.png |
| 09:15.36 | MoonEater_ | Duckies |
| 09:15.37 | MoonEater_ | duckies |
| 09:16.14 | Goa | twodie what you mean by respawn didnt work? http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/57126-map-night-revived-eu-na/?post=104 * |
| 09:16.30 | duckies | have you tried adding cooldown to ability and see if it dtill follows? |
| 09:16.42 | MoonEater_ | no |
| 09:16.43 | MoonEater_ | 1 sec |
| 09:17.02 | duckies | also, you have no range? :o |
| 09:17.24 | duckies | you have follow range, autocast range, but no actual range? |
| 09:17.39 | duckies | or is it just hidden by tooltip? |
| 09:18.20 | MoonEater_ | hidden |
| 09:18.22 | MoonEater_ | 0-500 |
| 09:18.47 | duckies | Goa, maybe he meant that after one team in arena won - it didn't get transported out of it? |
| 09:19.32 | duckies | what you mean 0-500? it should be a set number, like "1" or "8" or "2.5" |
| 09:21.14 | MoonEater_ | perfect duck |
| 09:21.14 | MoonEater_ | also |
| 09:21.18 | MoonEater_ | thanks for the plane |
| 09:21.23 | MoonEater_ | zolden said to thank you |
| 09:21.46 | duckies | ..okay =D |
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| 09:22.04 | duckies | though I have no idea what the plane thing is about |
| 09:22.46 | MoonEater_ | i needed a flate plane |
| 09:22.49 | MoonEater_ | flat |
| 09:22.53 | Goa | duckies but we were transported and it should transport ppl |
| 09:23.21 | duckies | after we won, the 2 survivors of our team remained in arena |
| 09:25.21 | Bommes | Hello. |
| 09:25.23 | KingTD | GoA after arena wipe about we didnt came back to die again in arena? |
| 09:25.26 | Bommes | Mapping time! |
| 09:25.29 | KingTD | or its intended? |
| 09:25.36 | KingTD | hey u |
| 09:26.20 | duckies | mapping time + irc = doesn't comply |
| 09:26.31 | MoonEater_ | lol |
| 09:26.32 | MoonEater_ | Duckies |
| 09:26.33 | MoonEater_ | dont go |
| 09:26.37 | MoonEater_ | i have more question |
| 09:26.42 | MoonEater_ | actually 1 more |
| 09:26.44 | MoonEater_ | then i crash |
| 09:26.58 | duckies | okay, I'm listening |
| 09:27.06 | MoonEater_ | i have a flat plane |
| 09:27.13 | MoonEater_ | with a texture id select |
| 09:27.17 | MoonEater_ | its a sprite |
| 09:27.19 | MoonEater_ | it works |
| 09:27.20 | MoonEater_ | but |
| 09:27.27 | MoonEater_ | im trying to do death animations on it |
| 09:27.37 | Goa | after surviving arena where did you end up KingTD? |
| 09:27.41 | MoonEater_ | i have to change through all the death textures on tdeath |
| 09:27.53 | MoonEater_ | i made a death actor |
| 09:28.05 | MoonEater_ | but i cant figure out the timing |
| 09:28.09 | KingTD | Goa i was in your team |
| 09:28.12 | MoonEater_ | for the next texture swap |
| 09:28.15 | KingTD | we died and did shit |
| 09:28.17 | MoonEater_ | so it only does the first frame |
| 09:28.19 | MoonEater_ | and dies |
| 09:28.45 | Goa | KingTD then it worked right, after we died we ended up in the shop area |
| 09:28.47 | duckies | I have no idea mooneater |
| 09:29.37 | duckies | what about me who survived goa ? :/ |
| 09:29.42 | KingTD | well yeah not back to die again... |
| 09:30.16 | Goa | duckies you survived and you didnt end up in the shop area? (thats bug:D) |
| 09:30.38 | duckies | yea, me and other survivor (zealot) remained in arena |
| 09:30.42 | Bommes | duckies: Well, I do have free reign in the 5 minutes that it takes to load up my map & SC2 |
| 09:30.52 | duckies | :D |
| 09:31.26 | MoonEater_ | shit |
| 09:31.29 | MoonEater_ | :( |
| 09:31.37 | MoonEater_ | ill have to wait for cueken |
| 09:35.44 | Bommes | What do you mean, you can't figure out the timing? |
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| 10:04.48 | KingTD | how to play death animation on model if it doenst have seprate file for it? |
| 10:05.09 | KingTD | but have the layer of death animation to be able to be played if unit dies |
| 10:07.46 | duckies | twodie, death effects in actor |
| 10:08.07 | KingTD | it have by default or need to add something? |
| 10:08.28 | duckies | there you specify death condition (like "normal"), death model (set units model) and animation name ("death") |
| 10:10.53 | duckies | you can check how it works on heroes, since they have their death animaton in their model, though it's not that complex (example: tychus commando) |
| 10:12.27 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLvn2Xwre10 |
| 10:13.23 | KingTD | that base belonging |
| 10:23.16 | MoonEater_ | Kueken |
| 10:23.17 | MoonEater_ | i need u |
| 10:23.21 | MoonEater_ | Kueken |
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| 10:27.48 | MoonEater_ | Zolden! |
| 10:28.01 | KingTD | Zolden particle question, how to make it burst out in flames after other sequences of anitations that this particle system isnt involved in those before animations and this new specific animation sequence it would just spit shit like explosion and stop and wouldnt appear in other animations sequences |
| 10:28.43 | MoonEater_ | Zolden!! |
| 10:29.28 | Zolden | KingTD I have 2 versions of interpretation of your long sentence |
| 10:29.43 | MoonEater_ | zolden |
| 10:29.47 | MoonEater_ | i need death animationm |
| 10:29.48 | Zolden | 1. How to create new particle explosions on particle collide with the ground |
| 10:30.10 | KingTD | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/44/330/LyatePlaguedvsMeatWagonInAction.gif |
| 10:30.21 | KingTD | 1 false |
| 10:30.21 | Zolden | MoonEater_ post shitty requests, i don't do models by requests in this chat |
| 10:30.37 | MoonEater_ | not a model request |
| 10:30.47 | MoonEater_ | i cant figure out how to do actor death :( |
| 10:30.56 | KingTD | its death animation |
| 10:31.02 | Zolden | KingTD isn't my first assumption correct? |
| 10:31.11 | KingTD | 1 FALSE |
| 10:32.02 | Zolden | KingTD you want to generate x particles in one frame from the emitter that doesn't generate particles |
| 10:32.09 | Zolden | maybe this one is correct? |
| 10:32.29 | KingTD | y |
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| 10:32.47 | KingTD | and just for specific animation layer |
| 10:33.04 | Zolden | there is spam rate value, and right under it there is something named like squirt amount |
| 10:33.57 | KingTD | yes |
| 10:34.02 | KingTD | but that doesnt do shit |
| 10:34.13 | KingTD | since the particle is hiden in stand animation |
| 10:34.27 | KingTD | and in death animation timeline i made it only vissible and they dont appear |
| 10:34.42 | MoonEater_ | Zolden im trying to make a timer of some sort that will every .2 seconds switch to alother texture 4 in total i cant figure out the damn timmer |
| 10:34.45 | Zolden | on the frame you want X particles bursted, just type add an anim key with X, previous frame should be 0, and next ont 0 too |
| 10:35.17 | Zolden | open some actors, some of them use timers |
| 10:35.34 | Zolden | for example siege tank uses it for morph |
| 10:36.16 | Zolden | also, please, don yse my nickname, just ask, and ppl wil answer, don't be annoing, if you want to be annoying, go to black ghetto and be annoing there |
| 10:36.54 | Zolden | KingTD don't hide particles, jsut have 0 on its particle generation rate |
| 10:37.13 | KingTD | Zolden Ohhh I see, thanks |
| 10:40.48 | MoonEater_ | - |
| 10:44.09 | MoonEater_ | soo odd |
| 10:44.22 | MoonEater_ | i have a proximity ability |
| 10:44.35 | MoonEater_ | and it gets set off when i kill something nearby the unit |
| 11:17.50 | KingTD | ssssssssssssspt |
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| 11:40.07 | Zolden | what a nice weather at last, what if i go bike in acid forest |
| 11:42.05 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
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| 11:44.28 | JademusSreg | Zol, that reminds me, never seen an accurate acid shader. |
| 11:44.39 | KingTD | [14:40] == Zolden [~a@88.135.0.21] has quit [] |
| 11:44.50 | JademusSreg | shrugs. |
| 11:46.07 | KingTD | like mushroom |
| 11:47.50 | JademusSreg | Similar, but not identical, experience. I can better articulate the qualia of an LSD experience over psilocybin. |
| 11:48.30 | halides | acid shader? |
| 11:51.34 | JademusSreg | Rather like vertex distortion in the direction of movement, light after-images, and most importantly texture and detail shifting. |
| 11:55.10 | halides | sounds decent :-p |
| 12:02.02 | JademusSreg | Probably toss in some simplex noise for color, spec, and normals if the perspective is "focused" on any space for a time, seeming to zoom in. That should about cover it. Having seen most all these done separately, not a stretch to suppose they could be employed together. |
| 12:13.29 | duckies | I've got a really newbie question |
| 12:13.52 | JademusSreg | I've got a really newbie answer for it. |
| 12:14.06 | duckies | description of "Break" action says "Terminate loop or scope early", what is "scope" it refers to? |
| 12:15.50 | JademusSreg | A scope, like a function scope. Or a collapsable telescope. Here's a scope {}. Here's two scopes in a scope. {{}{}}. |
| 12:16.34 | duckies | examples in editor would be..? |
| 12:17.49 | JademusSreg | It's a programming concept. But in your case, it's used in while, for, do while, repeat, repeat forever, and pick loops. |
| 12:19.05 | duckies | so just loops |
| 12:19.11 | duckies | okay, clear enough, thanks |
| 12:42.27 | Goa | rofl, the areas in my map doubled |
| 12:42.56 | Goa | I mean predifined regions in terrain editor |
| 12:44.23 | JademusSreg | Why so? |
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| 12:45.37 | Ahli | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431971 tenarsis city... familiar name ^^ |
| 12:46.12 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 12:47.00 | JademusSreg | Here are some other, less familiar names: http://pastebin.com/WpDncUdG |
| 12:47.02 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 12:48.36 | Ahli | amd what's his name on mapster? |
| 12:48.57 | JademusSreg | Dunno if it has an account, haha. |
| 12:49.33 | Ahli | my civ5 key arrived :) |
| 12:49.46 | JademusSreg | Woo. |
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| 12:52.27 | JademusSreg | I have Civ 5. Initial performance was, unsurprisingly, crappy. Game usually crashed in the 17th century. |
| 12:53.44 | JademusSreg | Mechanics were neat, though. |
| 12:53.46 | Ahli | usually companies keep patching their games as long as they are selling |
| 12:54.20 | KingTD | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/44/333/MeatWagonDeath.gif |
| 12:55.06 | JademusSreg | I think it's nice they added extensive mod support with civ5, including an in-client mod finder. |
| 12:55.25 | Ahli | I only played civ 2, a little bit of civ 3 and a non-functional copy of civ4 (I was too lazy to send it in to get a replacement, I just cracked it instead as I didn't want to play it online -.- ) |
| 12:55.50 | JademusSreg | Twod, needs to fall to pieces a bit. |
| 12:55.54 | Ahli | sounds great... I think there was even a mod for sc2... I saw that on reddit |
| 12:56.03 | Ahli | *mod for civ5 to use sc2 stuff |
| 12:56.19 | Ahli | but that was like huge copyright infringement with all of the pictures |
| 12:56.36 | KingTD | Jade yeah, the WC3 model have that hidden model, dont want to work on making model in pieces. |
| 12:56.41 | KingTD | for now |
| 12:56.50 | JademusSreg | Ahli, I played/modded Civ2 like a motherfucker. =D |
| 12:57.04 | JademusSreg | Twod, understandable. |
| 12:58.20 | Ahli | I was young and didn't fully understand the whole concept of civ2 ;D I think I still don't know it |
| 12:58.36 | Ahli | like I never had an idea which places were great for cities |
| 12:58.59 | JademusSreg | Made Civ2 mods based on SC1 Zerg, ChronoTrigger's post-Lavos future ruins, and Final Fantasy Tactics. |
| 13:01.15 | JademusSreg | .ini and .png editing. RGB 255,0,255 still represents transparency in my mind, haha. |
| 13:01.32 | Ahli | lol |
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| 13:13.51 | KingTD | what missile property or effects that creates the missile makes it slide on the ground? from target unit to caster |
| 13:14.18 | JademusSreg | That's usually caused by misconfigured action actors. |
| 13:14.19 | Kueken | that usually happens when your actor is not properly set up |
| 13:14.26 | JademusSreg | Bazing. |
| 13:14.34 | Kueken | Baduntsss |
| 13:14.49 | JademusSreg | ♥ |
| 13:14.58 | Kueken | Swobu. |
| 13:15.32 | KingTD | actor of what? missile itself or the weapon that uses it? |
| 13:15.44 | Zolden | KingTD do you want to reach it or get rid of? |
| 13:16.00 | KingTD | what to reach? |
| 13:16.35 | Zolden | sliding of missile on a ground |
| 13:17.00 | KingTD | hmm |
| 13:17.07 | KingTD | why i have č missile actors |
| 13:17.12 | KingTD | the same ones |
| 13:17.20 | KingTD | - |
| 13:17.21 | KingTD | 12 |
| 13:17.21 | KingTD | 2 |
| 13:17.34 | Zolden | you use missile actors in action actor |
| 13:17.48 | Zolden | when there's no action actor, it slides |
| 13:18.03 | Zolden | when launch effect has wrong or undefined misile unit, it slides |
| 13:18.34 | Zolden | if all is ok and you have both launch/impact site ops in action actor = origin, it slides |
| 13:20.57 | KingTD | well seems like what youmentioned is ok |
| 13:21.48 | Zolden | oh, you use ballistic mover driver |
| 13:21.58 | KingTD | y |
| 13:22.23 | Zolden | if attack has "unit" as impact, and unit moves, ballistic mover don't follow the unit, and missil keep sliding |
| 13:22.47 | Zolden | so, use point as target of launch, and let damage have tiny aoe |
| 13:24.35 | Bommes | Hmm, does anyone know a website that has a collection of Starcraft(2) themed Wallpapers, Fanart, official Artwork etc? |
| 13:24.45 | Bommes | I'm looking for a specific thing but I can't find it on the official site |
| 13:25.06 | Zolden | yea, fags.com |
| 13:25.32 | KingTD | before that had Target Unit /Point now all are Target Point |
| 13:26.39 | Goa | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/11235394/arcade-workshop-factory-ships-10-11-2013 |
| 13:27.21 | KingTD | now dont have target filters to give damage to Ally or Player units as melee combat would be costly for both sides.. |
| 13:30.14 | KingTD | Zolden http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/44/333/MeatWagonDeath.gif |
| 13:30.35 | Zolden | KingTD how you don't have fileter, damage aoe has filters |
| 13:30.38 | KingTD | look how great particles working!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:31.22 | Zolden | yea, nice |
| 13:31.23 | KingTD | yes need to look into siege tank damage stuff, effects. |
| 13:32.52 | Zolden | and i need to look into boobs |
| 13:33.29 | KingTD | talking about boobs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCOEhViCtk4 |
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| 13:44.09 | Zolden | yea |
| 13:50.50 | Zolden | and now youtube says "let's bleed for that girl who has not yet bled" by mouth of a soldier who has led by joan d'arc in the battle |
| 13:57.37 | A1win | heh, had a 8 year old playtester for my map, played surprisingly well with left hand using right handed mouse |
| 13:57.52 | JademusSreg | Adorable. |
| 14:00.38 | Zolden | A1win waht map |
| 14:00.45 | A1win | the planet map |
| 14:00.52 | Zolden | are you going to release it? |
| 14:00.57 | A1win | maybe <.< |
| 14:01.39 | Zolden | <.< looks like pacman prisoners linked with a chain to prevent escape |
| 14:02.21 | A1win | maybe I should just release it with a static weapon loadout at first |
| 14:02.47 | Zolden | yea, and if it will get popular, you will fill motivated |
| 14:02.57 | A1win | mm... |
| 14:02.57 | Zolden | *feel |
| 14:03.06 | A1win | the lag has been a bit awful sometimes though |
| 14:03.20 | Zolden | not your problem |
| 14:03.35 | A1win | it is ;p |
| 14:03.54 | Zolden | but the fact that it's your problem may not be your problem |
| 14:08.50 | JademusSreg | Super fun times with logic operators: https://pastee.org/hefpw |
| 14:10.31 | Dustin | Very nice jade |
| 14:11.20 | JademusSreg | Thanks. I admit, I love me some bit operations. |
| 14:11.45 | Dustin | I still need to do some more research into bit ops |
| 14:12.06 | Dustin | Im doing a project where I need to do some bit ops to store an 8x8 led matrix pattern for fast i/o |
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| 14:15.41 | JademusSreg | 64 bit, or 8 byte register. So check state, bitwise AND. Of course, that assumes you have bytes to spare, dunno how much memory you have available for registers. |
| 14:17.51 | JademusSreg | Well, programming reality is often not that simple, but if you know the valid state or have a mathematical description of possible valid states, it's -approximately- as simple. =D |
| 14:18.17 | Dustin | I got plenty for bit storage. It's on my Raspberry Pi :D But ya I think I ended up with 128 bits |
| 14:18.40 | Dustin | because each matrix square has 4 states, off, red, green, yellow |
| 14:18.51 | JademusSreg | Ahh. Yeah. |
| 14:26.23 | JademusSreg | imagines bool IllogicalOp_Interface (bool a, bool b, Feelings feels); |
| 14:27.11 | Zolden | emotional state can be a part of even simple AI |
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| 14:44.59 | KingTD | What SC2 sounds files types reads? |
| 14:48.36 | Zolden | ogg, wav |
| 15:07.45 | KingTD | hmmm soon will run out of space in my SC2 acc uploading shit |
| 15:08.04 | KingTD | 60mb to go soonish - 10 |
| 15:10.01 | Zolden | hope you use ogg |
| 15:10.08 | Zolden | they are 5 times smaller |
| 15:11.15 | KingTD | well had converter them for my AoK mod for usage, now for new map Mess Mod have wav |
| 15:12.12 | Zolden | get wavelab |
| 15:12.42 | Zolden | it also helps to make some fade outs or raise volume |
| 15:12.42 | KingTD | ohhhhhhhhh now |
| 15:12.49 | KingTD | i didnt converter those files |
| 15:13.05 | Zolden | any soft can be gotten at piratebay |
| 15:13.45 | KingTD | does it support bunch of files converting? |
| 15:13.59 | KingTD | i have a tool to convert 100 at same time |
| 15:14.32 | Zolden | dunno |
| 15:14.39 | Zolden | i do one by one as noob |
| 15:14.45 | KingTD | :D |
| 15:15.11 | KingTD | yeah found out it as it may not be something i really would need then |
| 15:15.38 | Zolden | what smoke effect doesn't go up? |
| 15:15.52 | KingTD | ? |
| 15:16.08 | Zolden | smoke effect without vertical speed somponent |
| 15:16.31 | Zolden | particles stay at emitter |
| 15:16.42 | KingTD | yeah i did some shit to make it work |
| 15:16.49 | Zolden | to attach to a unit which is flying along a ballistic trajectory |
| 15:16.59 | KingTD | reduce gravity to 150 |
| 15:17.07 | Zolden | i'm talking about sc2 effects |
| 15:17.25 | Zolden | i want to attach a smoke to a unit that was launched by explosion |
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| 15:17.45 | Zolden | and lazy to create smoke emitter |
| 15:17.48 | JademusSreg | Zoople. |
| 15:23.23 | Zolden | KingTD check those images http://mlgame.ru/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=UnitDescription |
| 15:24.34 | KingTD | such itchy beard i have :( |
| 15:25.18 | KingTD | Zolden and then what? |
| 15:25.47 | Zolden | then consider an idea to steal those for one of your maps |
| 15:25.57 | Zolden | it looks like a pretty pixel work |
| 15:25.58 | JademusSreg | Zol, feelings are more like heuristics than they are quantities or states; heuristics handle computation while conserving time, which is resource critical to the survival of an animal and the perpetuation of its genetic information. Of course, heuristics alone do not a sapient AI make. =D |
| 15:26.06 | KingTD | Zolden no |
| 15:28.11 | Zolden | JademusSreg i'd also reference fuzzy logic in this context, since feelings are not false or true, but rather more or less |
| 15:28.27 | JademusSreg | Yar, I'm familiar. |
| 15:30.27 | Zolden | and state still can be a part of it: cautious hunter has a state, that affects his heuristics in different way than clamness of a resting peasant or obsessed fanatic |
| 15:33.23 | JademusSreg | For sapience, the agent must model not only its environment and other agents but also itself; sapience is the state of processing its own state. =D |
| 15:35.34 | Zolden | sapiency of subconsciousness is questionable, animals have it too |
| 15:35.51 | JademusSreg | sentience != sapience |
| 15:35.57 | Zolden | an it's in charge of emotionality |
| 15:36.19 | Kueken1 | yeah the Homo Sentient says hi |
| 15:36.20 | Zolden | what if a dog scared, isn't it an emotional state? |
| 15:36.54 | JademusSreg | Sentience involves emotion, too, of course. |
| 15:37.13 | JademusSreg | Or rather, feelings. |
| 15:37.22 | KingTD | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/44/339/peasant111.gif |
| 15:37.31 | JademusSreg | But more accurately sentience relies entirely on feelings. |
| 15:38.08 | JademusSreg | Sapience, as a byproduct of its predictive modeling, involves reason. |
| 15:38.46 | JademusSreg | (Or is at least capable of it.) |
| 15:39.16 | Zolden | feelings are momentary, like fear when one looks at a wild pantera nearby, while emotional states are like inertia of feelings, they stay and evolve inside subconsciousness, and they include alot of computation, not jsut sensing |
| 15:40.45 | Zolden | animals can predict too: sences provide information, subconsciousness provide calculations, behaving gets modified based on predicted stuff |
| 15:40.46 | Bommes | Hmmm |
| 15:40.58 | Bommes | Did anyone make something like a physics rock or something already? |
| 15:41.05 | Bommes | just a rock with a dynamic physics body |
| 15:41.26 | Zolden | simple example: predator changes trajectory based on his victim way of running, to cut path lebngth |
| 15:41.49 | Zolden | rock is not "just", it's complex model |
| 15:41.51 | JademusSreg | It's an open question, though, whether feelings-heuristics would be a liability to an AI or if compromises in the capacity for reason is needed for, let's say, existential well-being. |
| 15:44.02 | Zolden | this makes me again think of a competition between different kinds of AI |
| 15:44.16 | Bommes | the "just" was not meant as a statement that denies the complexity of rocks, it was rather a clarification that there is are no additions or special things about the rock. |
| 15:44.21 | Bommes | -is |
| 15:45.11 | Zolden | actually, making a rock isn't hard, just some 3d noise on a high poly sphere |
| 15:45.53 | JademusSreg | http://the-witness.net/news/2013/09/on-the-rocks/ |
| 15:46.37 | Zolden | mmm, visually tasty rocks |
| 15:46.59 | Bommes | the witness blog posts are pretty good |
| 15:47.10 | Bommes | I like the ones about shadows |
| 16:02.16 | KingTD | http://youtu.be/a92KacKgnf4?t=3m21s |
| 16:16.15 | KingTD | wtf Demon Marine Potrait |
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| 16:17.45 | JademusSreg | Chaos Marine amirite? |
| 16:17.48 | JademusSreg | Haha |
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| 16:23.27 | Bommes | Man, did anyone here play that game? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgjnbrcuW-A&list=PLEE8A51B1149258BD |
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| 16:36.57 | JademusSreg | Haha, Dustin. Cute that you'd run the editor through Steam. |
| 16:37.17 | Dustin | I have all my gaming shortcuts through there, just makes sense lol |
| 16:37.24 | Zolden_ | Dusteam |
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| 16:39.54 | Ownage | anyone know of a list of unused models in the editor |
| 16:41.09 | Dustin | Is there any hotkeys to aut expand data tree views |
| 16:41.11 | Kueken | http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Unused_units |
| 16:41.13 | Dustin | auto* |
| 16:41.27 | Dustin | I hate having to manually unfold all this shit |
| 16:42.15 | Dustin | CTRL+A seems to work at least lol |
| 16:46.21 | Zolden_ | hercules? what is that? |
| 16:46.26 | JademusSreg | Dustin, File > Configure Controls, there are -many- unconfigured controls. |
| 16:46.50 | Zolden_ | and transport track is jsut one of civil cars |
| 16:48.42 | JademusSreg | I've got a file that clears all the values explicitly, in case you want to burn a few hours configuring them all. Since all the values are explicitly set to an invalid value, it shows the number of conflicts and, usefully, shows how controls are contextually scoped. |
| 16:53.47 | Ownage | perfect thanks! |
| 16:53.54 | Dustin | Thanks JademusSreg! |
| 16:53.58 | Dustin | I should have looked there |
| 16:56.45 | Dustin | lol and of course it doesn't register. Maybe I need to restart the editor |
| 16:59.37 | Dustin | Whatever, ctrl+a works |
| 17:03.01 | KingTD | Any easy way to view Only one mod that brings specific imported files to the map that uses that dependancy without need to open the Mod file itself? |
| 17:04.57 | JademusSreg | Not via browse, not unless one had the foresight to use different subdirectories. |
| 17:05.57 | Dustin | Built my friend a computer, spending the day installing windows and dualbooting linux and getting it setup. weee |
| 17:07.59 | JademusSreg | Hah @ almost-certain sarcasm |
| 17:10.12 | Bommes | Fixing PCs is so much fun. Especially for ppl like my brother-in-law, who manage to install super obvious phishing or scam programs/viruses or even malware at least 3 times a year. Yay. |
| 17:11.34 | Bommes | we need some kind of internet police who can forbid ppl to go on the internet |
| 17:11.46 | Bommes | and I have to be the one who is in charge of that organisation |
| 17:11.53 | Dustin | Hehe, it's not too bad cause I picked all the parts and assembled it myself, It's just time consuming, but i think he's gonna pay me with some weed |
| 17:11.57 | Dustin | So that's cool |
| 17:12.04 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
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| 17:16.12 | Kueken | Bommes: Not sure if thats such a good idea, I have done my fair share of stupid stuff as well, if you were in charge, I would have never been allowed in this IRC :/ |
| 17:16.32 | Bommes | Of course it's a good idea. |
| 17:17.22 | Bommes | In the long term everyone will be expelled and I am the owner of the internet. |
| 17:17.38 | Bommes | I just see no downsides |
| 17:19.21 | Dustin | Oh shit, Bommes is Al Gore? |
| 17:19.32 | Dustin | I always had my suspicions |
| 17:26.20 | Ownage | I'm not finding this hurricane |
| 17:27.07 | Ownage | oh nevermind there wasn't a model entry for it |
| 17:28.09 | Zolden_ | KingTD do you know that movers have pathing mode field? |
| 17:30.14 | KingTD | mb i do |
| 17:30.49 | Zolden_ | I think one of them may help you with pathing |
| 17:31.10 | Zolden_ | can we edit pathing modes? |
| 17:31.33 | Zolden_ | maybe configure them to make only some cliff levels as pathable |
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| 17:33.03 | AndChat|271284 | Hola |
| 17:33.08 | AndChat|271284 | Aww shit |
| 17:34.20 | MoonEater|mobile | Kueken |
| 17:34.34 | Kueken | MoonEater|mobile: |
| 17:34.56 | MoonEater|mobile | How do I do death animation for my sprite |
| 17:35.14 | Zolden_ | hits MoonEater|mobile with old heavy mobile |
| 17:35.15 | MoonEater|mobile | Can't figure out how to event it |
| 17:35.32 | MoonEater|mobile | Actually its the droid razr... |
| 17:36.26 | MoonEater|mobile | Anyways I have textures for the bush death animation |
| 17:36.27 | Zolden_ | if a model has death anim, it uses it, if actor has another model in death effect, it uses them |
| 17:36.43 | MoonEater|mobile | Its a sprite |
| 17:37.03 | Zolden_ | model doesn't know what it is, it only knows its animations |
| 17:37.14 | MoonEater|mobile | I need to texture swap on timer at speed |
| 17:37.54 | Bommes | what do you mean, "at speed"? |
| 17:37.57 | Kueken | honestly, I have no idea what you are talking about |
| 17:38.14 | MoonEater|mobile | Well I have a sprite |
| 17:38.20 | MoonEater|mobile | Using textures |
| 17:38.26 | MoonEater|mobile | When it dies |
| 17:38.30 | Bommes | you mean you have a plane model that is textured that looks like a sprite? |
| 17:38.31 | Zolden_ | catch death with death response (with fatal flag), add timer behavior, have actor play death (or swap texture) on timer behavior on, commit suicide |
| 17:38.35 | MoonEater|mobile | I need to set new textures |
| 17:38.41 | MoonEater|mobile | Multiple of the. |
| 17:38.43 | Kueken | if you use a standard model actor, if will have an event like ActorCreation -> AnimBracketStart Lifetime Birth Stand Death |
| 17:38.58 | MoonEater|mobile | Timer behavior? |
| 17:39.01 | Kueken | if you want to play the death animation just close that bracket |
| 17:39.14 | Kueken | (assuming the model has a death animation) |
| 17:39.19 | Zolden_ | behavior with duration = time you need to do death anim |
| 17:39.39 | MoonEater|mobile | It doesnt |
| 17:39.44 | KingTD | JademusSreg is pathing modes for movers is editable? |
| 17:39.45 | MoonEater|mobile | Model has no animations |
| 17:40.04 | Zolden_ | KingTD have you tried and understood each of them? |
| 17:40.16 | JademusSreg | Clarify? |
| 17:40.17 | Kueken | so you want to simulate a death animation by swapping textures= |
| 17:41.19 | JademusSreg | I mean, you can modify the values, say Placement or whatever, but affects unit placement at best, rather than restricts movement, as I recall. |
| 17:41.52 | KingTD | Movers > Pathing mode like jump, builder, glide, flying stuff script is to be used for it editing and make some kind of movement that it changes |
| 17:42.20 | JademusSreg | Ah, that. |
| 17:43.03 | Zolden_ | JademusSreg mover have pathing mode field. It can have, for example, "ground" or "jumper" or some other values. They change pathing scheme, like when reaper moves through cliffs... this made me think of configuring some not too obvious pathing methods, like having only one cliff level pathable |
| 17:43.48 | Zolden_ | tbu what are they, those modes, is it editable data entry or hardcoded preset? |
| 17:43.53 | JademusSreg | And you ask if it is editable; in what sense? Like via catalog or dynamically per unit or what? |
| 17:44.19 | JademusSreg | Or do you mean if there is code you can change to modify how it behaves at a fundamental level? |
| 17:44.30 | Zolden_ | yea, fundamental level |
| 17:45.05 | Zolden_ | like creating one more entry, for ship that is actually flying, but can't move to cliff levels higher then 1 |
| 17:45.11 | Zolden_ | even if there are slopes |
| 17:45.30 | JademusSreg | Not of which I am aware, unfortunately. =D |
| 17:45.40 | Zolden_ | ok ;/ |
| 17:45.56 | JademusSreg | But I can dig around, see if there's a vulnerability to exploit. |
| 17:47.36 | Zolden_ | it doesn't feel like a kind of exploit-dependant thing, pathing is probably an algorithm |
| 17:48.27 | Zolden_ | but peasants won't hunt you with pitchforks and torches if you try |
| 17:51.21 | JademusSreg | Sure, but who would guess there's an entire data type called Error? Or that Requirement has Requirement Nodes? Or digital sound filters? Or that adding help into text to fields in the Game UI data enables otherwise hidden control configurations in-game? |
| 17:52.10 | Zolden | digital sound filters? |
| 17:52.20 | Zolden | can I add one to a sound? |
| 17:52.33 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 17:53.03 | Zolden | some of them require low or high frequency suppressing to fit the effect better |
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| 17:53.29 | Zolden | and yes, no one would guess they are there, so yes, try to dig |
| 17:53.31 | rtschutter | Hey Mr. Zolden are you around? |
| 17:53.34 | JademusSreg | They can be applied from both data and code, too. |
| 17:53.35 | Zolden | yea, hey |
| 17:53.48 | rtschutter | you were the guy who helped me out with the decal model awhile back right? |
| 17:53.56 | Zolden | yea |
| 17:55.05 | rtschutter | Something I am unable to do with that model is to make it so that it is affected by transparency actor messages. I don't know if that is just inherent to decals or if maybe there is something you can change in the model settings that will make it possible, was wondering if you could take a look at it |
| 17:55.16 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/5btrs |
| 17:55.24 | JademusSreg | Moar bitwise opz. |
| 17:56.02 | Zolden | rtschutter what transparency actor messages? like SetOpacity? They don't react on it? |
| 17:56.33 | rtschutter | exactly |
| 17:56.45 | rtschutter | set opacity does not affect it for some reason |
| 17:57.06 | JademusSreg | Maybe you'll enjoy that one more, Dustin. |
| 17:57.42 | rtschutter | you can sort of adjust the transparency by setting it's height from the ground but it gives you a very limited amount of control and is impractical |
| 17:57.54 | rtschutter | here is the model in case you don't have it anymore |
| 17:57.56 | rtschutter | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49867307/GAMEHEART/CustomDecal.m3 |
| 17:58.25 | Zolden | i don't need it anymore, art tools allow to recreate it with full list of parameters |
| 17:58.32 | rtschutter | oh wow |
| 17:58.41 | rtschutter | well maybe you would be interested in doing some more work for me then |
| 17:58.43 | rtschutter | (paid) |
| 17:58.47 | Zolden | rtschutter how does it react to setting tint color to black? Is it getting black or disappear? |
| 17:58.55 | rtschutter | let me check |
| 17:59.00 | rtschutter | will only take a second |
| 17:59.07 | Zolden | rtschutter yes, I would, and I finally have working paypal |
| 17:59.18 | JademusSreg | Paid with real monies from the First National Real Monies Bank. |
| 17:59.23 | rtschutter | haha |
| 17:59.41 | rtschutter | it makes it black |
| 17:59.48 | Zolden | ok |
| 17:59.55 | rtschutter | setting the alpha with tint does nothing |
| 18:00.19 | Zolden | lemme experiment |
| 18:00.47 | Zolden | after all I can make an anim that would hide it |
| 18:01.01 | rtschutter | oh interesting idea |
| 18:01.05 | rtschutter | I am trying to build a tool right now |
| 18:01.19 | rtschutter | that makes it really easy for other map makers to add their own logos/decals to their maps |
| 18:01.32 | rtschutter | so I wanted to harness more control over the decal model |
| 18:02.06 | JademusSreg | Ah, Zol, seems rts's and my needs converge. Remember the issue with splats? =D |
| 18:02.23 | Zolden | now it's easy, chinese even created a whole UI out of one model with control via anims |
| 18:02.41 | Zolden | JademusSreg waht issue with splats? |
| 18:03.09 | JademusSreg | Remember how they lacked transparency or whatever Kueken and Moon were talking about? |
| 18:03.32 | Kueken | Zolden fixed that, I believe |
| 18:03.38 | rtschutter | yeah that is what I am dealing with right now |
| 18:03.42 | JademusSreg | didn't get a copy. |
| 18:03.57 | rtschutter | I want to give tournaments more control over the transparency of logos in the GameHeart overlay |
| 18:04.27 | Kueken | he didn't fix the generic splat model, he just made a custom one for MoonEater's plant thingy, that had transparency |
| 18:04.45 | Kueken | it only used a diffuse map iirc |
| 18:04.56 | JademusSreg | Ugh. |
| 18:05.15 | Zolden | JademusSreg I just didn't add alpha related transparency to your model |
| 18:06.15 | rtschutter | zolden do you do actual 3d modeling as well or just modifying models? |
| 18:07.06 | JademusSreg | Well, when you can, Zol, that would be sexy and handsome and magnanimous. |
| 18:08.06 | Zolden | rtschutter I do all kind of modelling and know almost every single feature of art tools |
| 18:08.22 | JademusSreg | Unrelated, syncing several days worth of commits takes some time, it would seem, haha. |
| 18:08.42 | rtschutter | okay good to know |
| 18:08.45 | Zolden | JademusSreg yea, i'll add it to your shapes |
| 18:08.48 | rtschutter | do you use skype? |
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| 18:09.00 | JademusSreg | Er, the splat template. |
| 18:09.20 | Serashin | Thats the gorilla vomit splat template . |
| 18:09.26 | JademusSreg | Remember the one where you tested height texture? |
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| 18:10.02 | MoonEater | geez |
| 18:10.05 | MoonEater | im back |
| 18:10.07 | MoonEater | for a sexc |
| 18:10.08 | JademusSreg | But yes, the shapes too, since that will be vital to the gorgeous aesthetic of PC:VD. |
| 18:10.31 | Zolden | JademusSreg ok |
| 18:15.28 | JademusSreg | Thanks, Zol. Once my dominion is firmly established, I'll write your name in the scorched rubble of an extinct civilization. |
| 18:16.25 | Zolden | oh yeah |
| 18:33.20 | Bommes | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3l4eAb7LEY So, if you would add some kind of damage indicator to the portrait at the top left, what would it look like? |
| 18:34.30 | Bommes | I'm thinking about just letting it flash red for a brief moment, adding some kind of stylized graphic (like a "KAPOW!" in a comic for example, just not comic-style) or just using it as a inversed health bar. |
| 18:34.40 | Bommes | but I'm not sure which idea I like most so I need some opinions |
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| 18:37.59 | Ownage | is it just me or is there a total lack of models compared to what was available in sc1? |
| 18:38.19 | KingTD | it lacks WC3 models |
| 18:38.36 | Ownage | I'm talking just general stuff |
| 18:38.45 | Ownage | I remember in sc1 there was practically anything you could think of |
| 18:39.03 | KingTD | and what you where think of? |
| 18:39.05 | Ownage | hamburgers and soldiers and like 50 different kinds of tanks and jets and ... hell everything |
| 18:39.25 | KingTD | seems like lies to me |
| 18:39.47 | Ownage | maybe I'm thinking of wc3, but I swear there used to just be pages and pages of the stuff |
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| 18:42.03 | KingTD | Triceron saw models in action? |
| 18:42.10 | Triceron | ? |
| 18:42.23 | Ownage | that reminds me.. I remember there were dinosaurs too |
| 18:42.28 | KingTD | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/50367-showcase-two-dies-models/?post=19 |
| 18:42.37 | Zolden | in c&c there were dinosaurs too |
| 18:42.56 | Triceron | oh the meatwagon, yah |
| 18:43.01 | Triceron | explodey |
| 18:43.06 | KingTD | :) |
| 18:43.30 | Ownage | ah ok looks like it was wc3 |
| 18:43.44 | Ownage | yeah so I guess my question is, why are there so many models for wc3 compared to sc2? |
| 18:44.02 | KingTD | well a lot of them are copies |
| 18:44.04 | Triceron | much easier to create |
| 18:44.08 | KingTD | with different skin |
| 18:44.10 | Ownage | I mean there seems to literally be more public dinosaur models for wc3 than almost all of the sc2 models I've seen combined |
| 18:44.25 | Triceron | are you talking about custom content? |
| 18:44.29 | Triceron | or what Blizz provided? |
| 18:44.30 | Dustin | Cause WC3 has been out a lot longer than SC2 |
| 18:44.37 | KingTD | yeah and detail required to make WC3 model is just 1 : 5 time compared |
| 18:44.38 | Triceron | cuz both ways, WC3 was a lot easier to create content for |
| 18:44.42 | Ownage | I see |
| 18:44.43 | Dustin | And had art tool support more readily availible |
| 18:44.52 | Dustin | And the WC3 models were a lot more simple |
| 18:45.05 | Triceron | it was literally low poly model + color texture. |
| 18:45.14 | Dustin | Ya, even i could 3d model for wc3 |
| 18:45.18 | Dustin | And that's saying shit :P |
| 18:45.37 | Triceron | SC2 = Low poly + High poly for Normal maps, then Specular and Diffuse maps |
| 18:45.39 | KingTD | box man models there would look just fine |
| 18:46.07 | Ownage | I'm overall pretty disappointed with the map making side of sc2 |
| 18:46.25 | KingTD | this kind of model: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUWvG9MF7xg |
| 18:46.37 | Ownage | I mean you can make damn good maps, but first of all it's a shit ton of work and there really seems to be a total lack of public cooperation in any real way |
| 18:46.52 | Ownage | I mean I can't even find a decent leaderboard module |
| 18:47.05 | Ownage | I only found one on sc2mapster and it didn't have team support |
| 18:47.28 | Ownage | just seems strange after 3 years no one anywhere has written a good dialog leaderboard and released it |
| 18:47.46 | KingTD | graphicly WC3 is more enjoyable, the textures, the fatasy models running around |
| 18:47.51 | Ownage | then I found 3 different programs to help make dialogs, none of which work anymore or are being developed |
| 18:47.52 | KingTD | its just feels right |
| 18:48.02 | Ownage | just seems really like I'm on my own making maps, which is a bit annoying |
| 18:48.25 | Triceron | I liked how easy War3 editor was |
| 18:48.36 | Ownage | me too |
| 18:48.38 | Triceron | I could make units easy |
| 18:48.54 | Ownage | hell in sc1 days you could pick and choose between editors |
| 18:49.16 | Triceron | I like how much more open SC2 is, but it's overly complicated up front. |
| 18:49.29 | Ownage | I think it's overly complicated to boot, really |
| 18:49.46 | Ownage | I mean even after I understand the flow of it and generally how to go about doing things, it's still way overkill |
| 18:50.01 | Zolden | Kueken can we start an animation on a custom moment in data> |
| 18:50.02 | Zolden | ? |
| 18:50.44 | Ownage | the other thing that strikes me as odd is that.... not to sound like a dick.. but I rarely actually find a well made map online |
| 18:50.48 | Kueken | you can set its completion |
| 18:50.52 | Ownage | I mean the most popular maps pretty much suck |
| 18:51.36 | Zolden | Kueken you mean its duration from 0 to x s? |
| 18:51.40 | Kueken | so you can go ActorCreation -> AnimPlay, ActorCreation -> AnimSetCompletion and it should pretty much look like the animation started at a later point |
| 18:51.57 | Kueken | you set a percentage |
| 18:52.15 | Bommes | You can also use Animation Set Time |
| 18:52.24 | Bommes | it's basically the same thing, but not percentage |
| 18:52.26 | Kueken | oh, thats new |
| 18:52.44 | Kueken | (or lets say, it wasn't there 3 years ago) |
| 18:52.44 | Bommes | I find that easier since you can just look into the cutscene editor and see at what point in time the frame is that you need |
| 18:53.02 | Bommes | Kueken: I'm using it since like 2 years, so not THAT new :D |
| 19:04.37 | Zolden | Kueken ty, worked |
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| 19:17.26 | KingTD | fucking updates |
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| 19:29.02 | MoonEater | ok im back |
| 19:29.04 | MoonEater | geez |
| 19:29.10 | MoonEater | Kueken |
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| 19:30.50 | MoonEater | duckies |
| 19:30.54 | MoonEater | my death animation |
| 19:30.59 | MoonEater | is still not workingf |
| 19:31.02 | MoonEater | i blame u |
| 19:31.03 | MoonEater | XD |
| 19:31.22 | duckies | okay, so what exactly is the issue and what you want to do? |
| 19:31.31 | MoonEater | well like i said last night |
| 19:31.33 | MoonEater | i have a plane |
| 19:31.37 | duckies | last time I told you off cause I was lazy and couldn't understand what you meant |
| 19:31.41 | MoonEater | which has textures on it |
| 19:31.45 | MoonEater | its a sprite |
| 19:31.46 | duckies | so please be more clear this time |
| 19:32.00 | MoonEater | texture.... on plane= sprites |
| 19:32.02 | duckies | maybe write it all in one sentence so that it's easier to read =D |
| 19:32.04 | MoonEater | with em so far? |
| 19:32.37 | duckies | and then paste a pastebin link here ^^ |
| 19:33.13 | MoonEater | paste bin the map? |
| 19:34.09 | MoonEater | duckies? |
| 19:35.45 | JademusSreg | SC2 community-generated content problem domains: editor operation & technical documentation, editor workflow & pipeline, company-community relations, published content visibility, data security, design & development standards, and community management. |
| 19:36.09 | MoonEater | right//// |
| 19:36.11 | MoonEater | JAde |
| 19:36.14 | MoonEater | ur turn then |
| 19:36.20 | MoonEater | u sugegsted it last night |
| 19:36.25 | MoonEater | but the linking is funky |
| 19:36.37 | MoonEater | i mannage to get the death actor to kick in |
| 19:36.48 | MoonEater | but i cant get it to switch frames |
| 19:37.12 | JademusSreg | Waerzurpaste? |
| 19:37.27 | MoonEater | kk |
| 19:37.28 | MoonEater | 1 sec |
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| 19:38.08 | ducikeis | gah, I crashed D: |
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| 19:38.25 | JademusSreg | Also, I've got a few minutes before I "berbl", so efficiency is key. |
| 19:38.43 | MoonEater | http://pastebin.com/8RkqmWi9 |
| 19:39.06 | MoonEater | i tried to set a timer that would kill the actor |
| 19:39.13 | MoonEater | and trigger another actor |
| 19:39.15 | Zolden | ducks survive after crashes if they don't fly too fast... but they usually do |
| 19:39.15 | MoonEater | and so forth |
| 19:39.19 | MoonEater | but it doesnt work |
| 19:39.36 | Zolden | they are like fighters |
| 19:39.42 | MoonEater | im unsure how to tap into the timer using events |
| 19:40.06 | Zolden | while gulls can just fly without moving |
| 19:41.13 | MoonEater | jade? |
| 19:41.37 | Zolden | ducikeis I saw an epic fight today between a huge city crow and a predator looking unknown forest bird |
| 19:41.45 | Zolden | you're a bird, so you may be interested |
| 19:41.52 | ducikeis | :o |
| 19:41.56 | ducikeis | that must have neen cool |
| 19:41.59 | ducikeis | *been |
| 19:42.13 | Zolden | yea, it was cool, I stoped and watched |
| 19:42.38 | ducikeis | we need a memory transfer device :/ |
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| 19:43.15 | Zolden | wel ive in the future and have a chance to get one |
| 19:43.39 | MoonEater | http://pastebin.com/8RkqmWi9 |
| 19:45.42 | ducikeis | moon eater, you're saying timers don't work? |
| 19:45.42 | JademusSreg | Doodad is the wrong type; should be Model actor. There's no parent; parent from UnitDeathModel. <On Terms="TimerExpired.BushDeathA" Send="Destroy"/> is wrong; <On Terms="TimerExpired; TimerNameorlabelorwhatever {Death A}" Send="Destroy"/>. Setting scale from the actor is poop; set it from the model so you don't repeat it needlessly. |
| 19:46.13 | MoonEater | ty |
| 19:46.15 | MoonEater | jade |
| 19:46.18 | MoonEater | kisses |
| 19:47.11 | ducikeis | btw goa, what do you play on map night? |
| 19:47.17 | JademusSreg | The TimerExpired event doesn't need its two other fields set; add a term to check the timer name or label thing. |
| 19:47.21 | JademusSreg | To clarify. |
| 19:48.19 | MoonEater | ill play with it |
| 19:48.50 | JademusSreg | Lastly, I just think this is cute code, so I'm reposting it: https://pastee.org/5btrs |
| 19:48.52 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 19:50.50 | Zolden | ducikeis memory hsaring device may ruin literature and especially cinema |
| 19:51.26 | Zolden | ppl will just use memory of schisophrenics and hallucinogen users |
| 19:51.38 | Zolden | or some ppl will just imagine stuff and translate it |
| 19:51.52 | Zolden | or ppl will use their own memory to have fun from past |
| 19:52.24 | Serashin | if you got some game wich requires quick hands , id like to play it on mapnight thingy u do |
| 19:53.34 | ducikeis | damn, I didn't think that it would make other persons memory feel like a genuine experience |
| 19:54.14 | Zolden | ducikeis not only persons, animals too, maybe ducks too |
| 19:54.24 | Zolden | both ways |
| 19:55.23 | Bommes | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZDkItO-0a4&feature=youtu.be pretty cool |
| 19:55.36 | Zolden | dunno how will they do it without putting electrodes to neurons |
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| 19:56.16 | duckies | I keep on crashing.. should really think more about safety :\ |
| 19:57.22 | Zolden | that hexacopter risked |
| 19:57.51 | Zolden | ducikeis waht causes crashes? hunters scare you? |
| 19:59.17 | Zolden | Bommes still reactive engines are obsolete, humanity need to start photone, nuclear or ion accelerator ones |
| 19:59.42 | duckies | yea, they poured some dust on me so now I'm crashing left and right q.q |
| 20:01.25 | Bommes | naa, the hexacopter didn't really risk much there |
| 20:01.33 | Bommes | he was still easily 30-40m away in my opinion |
| 20:01.39 | Bommes | maybe even more, hard to tell |
| 20:05.15 | Zolden | but anyway, commercial space flights will make the area competitive and add progress into technologies |
| 20:06.16 | Bommes | yeah definitely |
| 20:07.00 | Bommes | I personally would rather see more development and financial input into the whole alternative energy sector though |
| 20:19.39 | Zolden | they are building thermonuclear reactor |
| 20:19.47 | Zolden | in france |
| 20:21.01 | Zolden | if it work, we will need regular flights to the moon for deiterium |
| 20:21.07 | Zolden | probably a mining base thee |
| 20:21.13 | Zolden | there |
| 20:22.18 | Bommes | Hmm, that project is being delayed all the time though, I think it was already under way like 15 years ago |
| 20:23.02 | Bommes | and I think it won't even produce more energy than it takes when its finished |
| 20:26.02 | Zolden | thermonuclear power gives by 1 order more energy than traditional nuclear, and there more fuel for it |
| 20:29.27 | MoonEater | Zolden |
| 20:29.40 | MoonEater | if only zelda had me when he met majorah |
| 20:29.45 | MoonEater | he wouldnt have needed the mast |
| 20:29.47 | MoonEater | mask |
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| 20:37.23 | Ownage | how can I change the parent of units in bulk? |
| 20:40.13 | JademusSreg | XML view |
| 20:42.02 | Kueken | also parent changes like to not affect the actor's fields properly or just straight up break the actor |
| 20:42.08 | JademusSreg | ^ |
| 20:42.23 | Kueken | make sure to check XML data afterwards |
| 20:46.41 | MoonEater | jade |
| 20:49.57 | ArcanePariah | Ok, Actor question, in the Create message, what is the content Field for? |
| 20:50.32 | JademusSreg | You can create other actors in the actor scope. |
| 20:51.28 | ArcanePariah | So Content is other actors auto created along the actor specfied and they are all placed in the same actor scope? |
| 20:53.03 | ArcanePariah | So in other words, I could have a Unit Actor be created, and in its Create message, place a bunch of sound actors in the Content Field, and thus when the Unit Actor is created, all those sound actors would also be created? |
| 20:58.08 | ArcanePariah | Oh, nvm, I figured it out, it lets you pass the values of one actor to the created one, so you can say, use a multipurpose sound actor, and just pass the value of another actor (Sound/Model/etc.) |
| 20:58.15 | Ownage | I'm considering making a program which can manipulate these xml files |
| 20:58.20 | Ownage | typing shit in is barbaric |
| 20:59.22 | MoonEater | damnit |
| 20:59.26 | MoonEater | im getting spheres |
| 20:59.29 | MoonEater | DAMN U SPHERES |
| 20:59.57 | JademusSreg | Own, as I recall, those are famous last words. |
| 21:00.22 | Otixa | pops up |
| 21:00.26 | JademusSreg | Also, semi-pro tip: use a text editor with regex. |
| 21:00.44 | Otixa | sees "regex" and submerges again |
| 21:00.44 | ArcanePariah | ^, I recommend Notepad++ |
| 21:00.48 | ArcanePariah | lol |
| 21:00.50 | JademusSreg | Yar. |
| 21:01.37 | ArcanePariah | Reminds me of a saying "A person decides to use regex to solve a problem. Now they have 2 problems" or something to that effect |
| 21:02.01 | JademusSreg | I expect Dustin recommends SublimeText, if I recall the name correctly. |
| 21:02.56 | MoonEater | JAde |
| 21:02.56 | MoonEater | http://pastebin.com/BUPGSeCQ |
| 21:02.57 | JademusSreg | Hah, Arc. I can almost relate to that. |
| 21:02.59 | MoonEater | its worse now |
| 21:03.03 | MoonEater | i get nothign now |
| 21:04.51 | Ownage | I've changed a bunch of buildings to have another building as their parent |
| 21:04.54 | JademusSreg | Fortunately, heuristics prevent me from wasting too much time trying to find the perfect expression, and will instead compromise with a mix of regex and manual labor if it takes too long. |
| 21:05.01 | JademusSreg | brb, then I'll check the paste |
| 21:05.17 | Ownage | however now they all have the same name and I can't seem to figure out how to get it right |
| 21:05.27 | Ownage | regex doesn't help a whole lot with xml |
| 21:05.45 | Ownage | python + lxml would simplify a lot if done up right.. maybe after this map I will do it |
| 21:10.58 | MoonEater | jade? |
| 21:13.23 | Ownage | ok so here's an example |
| 21:13.45 | Ownage | Building A's name is A. it is the parent of Building B, which I want to be called B. |
| 21:14.22 | Ownage | Building B is currently called A. When I look at raw data it says Units/Name/##id## (which is B) |
| 21:14.37 | Ownage | if I set to parent value it changes to ##parent## which isn't what I want |
| 21:14.54 | Ownage | if I set to default unit value it goes back to ##id## but still shows A |
| 21:17.39 | Ownage | this one has the parents name and the raw data shows Unit/Name/##parent## . When I change to Unit/Name/##id##, again, it changes the name to the parent's name... |
| 21:18.09 | Ownage | hmm but now I can manually change it |
| 21:18.20 | Ownage | so I'm guessing I have to set to ##id## and then manually set them(?) |
| 21:21.21 | Ownage | oh, that's odd, after autosave it seems to work now |
| 21:24.50 | Kueken | are you editing XML data or raw data? |
| 21:25.20 | Kueken | because raw data messes that up a lot, while XML data should be accurate |
| 21:28.56 | Ownage | I set parent with xml |
| 21:29.04 | Ownage | then tried to do names through gui/raw |
| 21:29.12 | Ownage | but it works now after autosave |
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| 21:32.12 | KingTD | anyone for NA mapnight? |
| 21:32.56 | ThunderLord | when? |
| 21:33.03 | ThunderLord | i would love to go to one of those |
| 21:33.36 | KingTD | NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW |
| 21:33.51 | KingTD | 5 ppl |
| 21:34.40 | KingTD | starcraft://group/1/129749 |
| 21:39.31 | ThunderLord | ill join |
| 21:44.51 | ThunderLord | how quick are the data table hash tables in the editor |
| 21:46.54 | ThunderLord | are they pretty efficient for lookup times? im more concerned with lookups then rehashing, i just plan on writing to them at initialization and referenceing them alot |
| 21:50.24 | ThunderLord | i didnt realize that map night was still a thing |
| 21:53.25 | KingTD | go sc2@ |
| 21:59.59 | Zolden | i'm making smoke trace effect with particle and ribbon for a unit that was launched by explosion along ballistic trajectory! |
| 22:00.41 | MoonEater | lol |
| 22:00.44 | MoonEater | zolden |
| 22:00.49 | MoonEater | whana see what im working on? |
| 22:02.03 | Zolden | yea |
| 22:02.30 | MoonEater | come to NA? |
| 22:03.07 | Zolden | i'd prefer screen |
| 22:03.11 | Zolden | shot |
| 22:03.22 | Zolden | playing is time consuming |
| 22:03.57 | MoonEater | its strait concept |
| 22:04.05 | MoonEater | less than 5 |
| 22:04.53 | Zolden | then screen would wok even better |
| 22:10.22 | MoonEater | well loby is made if u change ur mind |
| 22:12.39 | Ownage | if I apply to children does that recurse? |
| 22:13.36 | Ownage | that is if I have A > B > C with B and C set to default from it's father, will apply to children on A affect C? |
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| 23:11.43 | PusH | anyone know if there is a site op to set minimum z? |
| 23:13.40 | PusH | hey Kueken ^^ |
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| 23:21.08 | hobbidude | ~seen crainy |
| 23:21.09 | purl | i haven't seen 'crainy', hobbidude |
| 23:21.58 | hobbidude | anyone know if there is such a things as a site op to set minimum z? |
| 23:31.06 | hobbidude | anyone live? |
| 23:34.29 | Triceron | I'm alive |
| 23:34.30 | Triceron | I think |
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| 23:52.43 | Zolden | Triceron there was Fourceron here yesterday, looked scary. Don't you think you'll have to fight him one day? |
| 23:53.20 | Triceron | Clones don't last long, no big worries |
| 23:53.55 | Zolden | he said this about you |
| 23:59.09 | Triceron | he called me a clone? |
| 23:59.27 | Triceron | I'm not a clone. I know I'm not a clone! |
| 23:59.37 | Serashin | Ur a copy ;) |
