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| 01:03.17 | proprietarysucks | I've noticed in several maps that idle unit detection isn't as straightforward as I would expect |
| 01:03.34 | proprietarysucks | certain abilities render a unit non-idle but still just sitting there |
| 01:04.05 | proprietarysucks | I've noticed there's a Unit Order comparison, but I can't see how to convert it to text, as it doesn't seem to be a game link or string |
| 01:04.48 | proprietarysucks | trying to make a trigger that when a unit is clicked it tells me what their current order is |
| 01:04.50 | proprietarysucks | any ideas? |
| 01:05.21 | proprietarysucks | these units literally only have Attack, they don't have stop, move, hold position, etc |
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| 01:38.16 | Stewox | oh just by the way jademussreg, when you sarcastically quoted History Channel as a source for truth, some things get through, but if you are such a fan why don't you know about this already ? http://youtu.be/UhurRBGzut4?t=5m55s |
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| 02:56.31 | proprietarysucks | This video contains content from BBTV_AETN, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. Stewox |
| 02:57.11 | Stewox | really |
| 02:57.23 | Stewox | what country are you in ? if you can say |
| 02:57.59 | Stewox | ofcourse that is not surprising |
| 02:58.03 | Stewox | but it works for me |
| 02:58.34 | Stewox | probably some pro-nwo shill saw that and flagged it in your country |
| 02:58.53 | Stewox | are you from usa ? in that case jademus can't proably see it eithe |
| 03:02.51 | Stewox | i'll fetch it for you ... |
| 03:02.58 | Stewox | the whole thing |
| 03:03.43 | proprietarysucks | I'm in china vpn'd to usa |
| 03:03.53 | proprietarysucks | though youtube says youtbue gb |
| 03:05.31 | proprietarysucks | its one of those everyone is out to secretly control everyone because of some secret something-a-rather right |
| 03:08.31 | Stewox | interesting ... |
| 03:10.48 | Stewox | let mee ... |
| 03:11.58 | Stewox | can't find an alternative vide |
| 03:12.01 | Stewox | video |
| 03:12.13 | Stewox | i guess i'll just UL it somewhere |
| 03:12.53 | proprietarysucks | gigaupload |
| 03:14.02 | Stewox | well i kind of used it for my own archive as well |
| 03:14.10 | Stewox | since i can't find this anywhere else |
| 03:14.16 | Stewox | incase something happens to it |
| 03:15.03 | Stewox | so i used mediafire, i have stuff there, and if i picked something else i would probably forget about it, like bayfiles, there's no account there imo |
| 03:15.52 | Stewox | so there goes jademuses argument about history channel |
| 03:16.29 | proprietarysucks | gigaupload > all |
| 03:16.31 | Stewox | he probably meant seriously, but he set him self up because, the channel does have exceptions ... |
| 03:16.38 | proprietarysucks | no account needed, never deleted |
| 03:17.23 | Stewox | well same thing can happen to anyone what happened megaupload |
| 03:17.46 | Stewox | http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130824124424AAbbS3H |
| 03:18.54 | proprietarysucks | google drive then :) |
| 03:19.00 | Stewox | not sure if that's bogus or not, but there's a lot of bogus copyright claims, youtube gets nuts on those so that's why the shills want to use it |
| 03:19.27 | proprietarysucks | then you don't have to do anything at all, it's just on your computer, auto sync and you can share based on all kinds of stuff to anyone |
| 03:19.30 | Stewox | well i don't have much of a chance, my uploads slow so it takes 12 minutes for 100MB |
| 03:19.36 | Stewox | and im 50% done ... |
| 03:20.31 | Stewox | one of the things i don't want dropbox is that i really don't have much of a use for it, secondly, i don't really like some net program in the background |
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| 03:20.47 | Stewox | i archive all my stuff localy, i dont rely on any online stuff |
| 03:21.09 | Fate_ | is there i way to get how many time i spended making my map? |
| 03:21.25 | Stewox | what's up |
| 03:22.52 | proprietarysucks | check out google drive like I said |
| 03:23.05 | proprietarysucks | you don't have to use the app at all if you don't want |
| 03:23.16 | proprietarysucks | you can upload via the web interface only if you choose |
| 03:23.31 | proprietarysucks | and you can run the sync program any time or not at all or whatever |
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| 03:26.53 | proprietarysucks | does anyone know if you can turn off bounty text display for a type of bounty? |
| 03:28.07 | Stewox | unfortunately, im one of those persons, if you will, paranoid, i would never get near anything google |
| 03:28.20 | Stewox | so google drive is out of the question totally |
| 03:28.24 | Stewox | i barely use gmail |
| 03:28.35 | Stewox | for some gaming, forum stuff |
| 03:28.45 | Stewox | youtube subscription alerts |
| 03:28.46 | Stewox | that's it |
| 03:29.06 | proprietarysucks | you can be as paranoid as you want :) |
| 03:30.03 | Stewox | and i don't really need a sync, it would just mess my connection, i would probably shut it off when i watch some video or something streaming, im not the kind of mainstream person if you can understand |
| 03:30.53 | proprietarysucks | it's very elegantly designed and does just fine with starting and stopping it all the time |
| 03:30.58 | proprietarysucks | I know because I do that myself ;) |
| 03:31.25 | Stewox | point is, i don't need UL a lot, if i had some business with a lot of filesharing then i would |
| 03:31.35 | Stewox | but i use it like once a week or 2 weeks ... |
| 03:32.34 | Stewox | i installed dropbox just for jademus |
| 03:33.06 | Stewox | but got rid of it, |
| 03:33.23 | Stewox | im just not fond of these programs for one website kind of "facebook app" |
| 03:33.31 | Stewox | i call it "junkware" |
| 03:33.42 | Stewox | kind of like steam |
| 03:33.50 | Stewox | for some games im forced to run it |
| 03:34.02 | Stewox | i have to always keep seeing some stupid adverts i don't want |
| 03:35.05 | Stewox | but that doesn't mean im saying the actual use for it, im not grading it, i dont have experience, so im not saying it's bad, people who need it it surely helps |
| 03:35.22 | Stewox | well here it is |
| 03:36.23 | Stewox | jademussreg the video is blocked in usa, so there's the whole thing, your history channel blessing, http://www.mediafire.com/?c8655h5xas7edrk (ZIP PASSOWRD: drek123) |
| 03:37.04 | Stewox | long story proprietarysucks |
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| 04:01.12 | Otixa_ | glares at Stewox |
| 04:02.39 | Stewox | why don't you just see for your self, it's history channel remember, so don't look at me, it obviously won't be so detailed in there, but at a good start for people who never heard about it |
| 04:02.52 | Stewox | you don't have to believe it, just watch it, think what you want |
| 04:03.28 | Stewox | ofcourse it's a bit dramatized, that's with all mainstream tv shows |
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| 05:59.36 | proprietarysucks | anyone around |
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| 06:15.11 | Kueken | Shark |
| 06:16.06 | proprietarysucks | I've got a problem where I'd like to do some things when units die/kill |
| 06:16.26 | proprietarysucks | however often I get errors because the killing unit might die before the other unit dies for example |
| 06:16.53 | proprietarysucks | is that what death time is for? |
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| 06:57.17 | Kueken | proprietarysucks: Your information is very vague |
| 06:57.37 | proprietarysucks | ok an example, reading a custom value from killing unit |
| 06:57.47 | proprietarysucks | high templar walks up and casts storm. then he dies |
| 06:57.49 | Kueken | what exactly do you want to happen on death? How do you realize it? Data or triggers? |
| 06:57.51 | proprietarysucks | then his storm kills a unit |
| 06:57.56 | proprietarysucks | error, unit not found |
| 06:58.10 | Kueken | so triggers |
| 06:58.40 | Kueken | for this specific problem, yes indeed, the death time should help |
| 06:59.10 | Kueken | if the death time is 0, the unit is immediately cleared from memory on death, including custom values |
| 06:59.32 | Kueken | the death animation is already an independent actor, the unit doesn't exist anymore |
| 07:00.12 | Kueken | if you set the death time to a longer duration, that would cover the maximum duration of any lingering effects, that would sort out these kinds of problems |
| 07:00.12 | proprietarysucks | if I set death timer higher will that change anything visually, or just delay the garbage cleanup |
| 07:00.21 | Kueken | no visual change |
| 07:00.33 | proprietarysucks | thanks |
| 07:03.02 | proprietarysucks | next fun Q, I've adjusted the zoom levels of default camera but I don't find any difference, is there something else I need to do |
| 07:03.13 | proprietarysucks | I want to be able to zoom out further with mouse wheel |
| 07:04.36 | proprietarysucks | crap there's a 'enabled' option |
| 07:04.39 | proprietarysucks | hehe |
| 07:14.13 | Kueken | so it works now? ;) |
| 07:14.41 | proprietarysucks | yeah, haha |
| 07:14.46 | proprietarysucks | hey here's a general question |
| 07:15.07 | proprietarysucks | if you have 500 units and you add 100 of a buff behavior to them, is it worthwhile to do this: |
| 07:15.38 | proprietarysucks | make new behavior buffs which grant +10 of that attribute instead of +1 per buff, and add instead 50 |
| 07:16.03 | proprietarysucks | in other words is there more processing/lag/whatever going on with a higher stack count than with a lower one? |
| 07:17.29 | proprietarysucks | in a previous map I 'compounded' huge stack counts but I'm wondering now if there's a point to that |
| 07:18.41 | ArcanePariah | Need to ask Jade, he would have a better insight into the game engine and how this would execute, but my gut instict is that yes, if you are simply stacking effects, attribute behaviors are far better. Buff behaviors are more used for 1 time modficiations, and more importantly for effects. Buff Behaviors have periodic effects/intial effect/etc. whereas attribute does not |
| 07:19.28 | ArcanePariah | Plus also, if I'm not terribly mistaken, there is a hard limit on the number of stacks of a behavior, or at least there was a major performance hit beyond a certain number of stacks |
| 07:20.29 | proprietarysucks | sorry I maybe wasn't clear enough there |
| 07:20.39 | proprietarysucks | I'm comparing these two things: |
| 07:21.25 | proprietarysucks | attribute behavior + 100 stack of +1 attribute buff behaviors vs. attribute behavior + 10 stacks of +10 attribute buff behaviors |
| 07:21.32 | proprietarysucks | same construct just less stacks |
| 07:22.10 | proprietarysucks | in other words should I write a trigger that basically 'compresses' them |
| 07:22.15 | proprietarysucks | or is there no point |
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| 08:01.56 | Kueken | proprietarysucks: From my testing, behavior stacks are fine up to like 256 stacks |
| 08:02.16 | Kueken | beyond that they tend to cause issues |
| 08:02.23 | proprietarysucks | I'm not worried about the stack count at all, it can't go higher than 255 in my map |
| 08:02.32 | proprietarysucks | just the 'speed' of the map |
| 08:03.13 | Kueken | but for your specific setup, you might want to test it yourself. I do not know how your map works, but I gues you wouldn't need to worry about that too much |
| 08:03.22 | Kueken | what do you use these stacks for anyway? |
| 08:16.50 | proprietarysucks | meh I'll save it for an optimization attempt down the road if the map turns out to be slow |
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| 10:17.54 | Twodie | Well come back commander! |
| 10:18.04 | Twodie | fuck |
| 10:18.09 | Twodie | Welcome |
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| 10:25.15 | Zolden | Twodie http://i.snag.gy/3mYK4.jpg |
| 10:25.38 | Zolden | this is our new commander |
| 10:25.40 | Twodie | yes triceron had made something |
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| 10:33.24 | Ta1es | Is this where I can ask for help if needed for Starcraft 2 editor? |
| 10:34.18 | Twodie | you can ask |
| 10:34.25 | Twodie | but we cant promise answers |
| 10:34.39 | Ta1es | Very true. |
| 10:34.59 | Twodie | or we just dont know or we busy or just lazy to write detailed answers |
| 10:35.30 | Ta1es | Well of course, No one knows every answer. |
| 10:35.32 | Twodie | plus here is about 5 people active |
| 10:35.43 | Twodie | some times less |
| 10:35.47 | Twodie | they all here to go afk |
| 10:36.04 | Ta1es | Ah I see. |
| 10:37.06 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 10:37.13 | Kueken | zolden made flubber |
| 10:37.17 | Kueken | can it dance? |
| 10:37.19 | Twodie | coming here or anywhere else have lowest expectations to get best results |
| 10:37.32 | Ta1es | lol. |
| 10:38.00 | Kueken | hey Ta1es, I see you read my PM :D |
| 10:38.43 | Kueken | don't listen to the trolls, our defense mechanisms will get rid of them eventually |
| 10:38.49 | Ta1es | Ofc, Thank you for the guidance. and Hello. |
| 10:40.16 | Ta1es | You said you needed the Map file, but where do I send it? |
| 10:40.29 | Twodie | I said that? |
| 10:40.31 | Ta1es | Or Upload it* is a better question. |
| 10:40.32 | Twodie | no i didnt |
| 10:40.44 | Kueken | hes talking to me twod |
| 10:40.48 | Twodie | ,noanoknga |
| 10:40.49 | Twodie | kgskljgsjklgsdjksgdjklsga |
| 10:40.51 | Twodie | okauy |
| 10:40.53 | Twodie | a |
| 10:40.53 | Twodie | fa' |
| 10:40.53 | Twodie | f |
| 10:40.53 | Twodie | a |
| 10:41.16 | Kueken | uploading a map file can be done in the forums or with various uploading sites/tools |
| 10:41.22 | Kueken | preferred one being Dropbox |
| 10:41.45 | Ta1es | Ah I use to have dropbox when I used to dabble in Flash animation. |
| 10:41.45 | Kueken | if you don't want to bother with dropbox, just attach it to your PM to me |
| 10:41.54 | Ta1es | Ok! sounds good. |
| 10:42.15 | Kueken | you can also copy&paste the XML data instead, if you don't want to share the map |
| 10:42.31 | Kueken | brb |
| 10:43.49 | Zolden | Kueken it's up to triceron, hope anims will be authentic |
| 10:45.05 | Twodie | finally |
| 10:45.06 | Twodie | http://youtu.be/5fZYVNhb__E?t=25s |
| 10:46.33 | Ta1es | Ok Kueken, I sen the Xml data. When you get the chance take a look please and thankyou. |
| 10:47.28 | Kueken | alright xD |
| 10:47.39 | Kueken | next time, use pastebin.com please |
| 10:48.32 | Ta1es | Well thats useful.. |
| 10:49.24 | Zolden | Twodie i think laugh amount and power of the joke aren't equal |
| 10:50.51 | Twodie | Zolden I think the joke, face and arms movements just makes it hilarious! |
| 10:50.51 | Kueken | Ta1es: Could you post the exact error message? |
| 10:51.43 | Kueken | any information about which actor specifically triggers it? |
| 10:52.02 | Bommes | What's the problem? |
| 10:52.43 | Zolden | Twodie you just like charismatic fatties |
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| 10:52.52 | Ta1es | Sec i'll copy and paste the error for you Kueken. |
| 10:52.53 | Twodie | Zolden okay :( |
| 10:53.23 | Kueken | also, for the XML data I mainly need the ability, effects, behaviors and actors associated with the ability, you can skip the rest |
| 10:53.49 | Kueken | so far, I only got all the units |
| 10:54.28 | Zolden | i like charismatic fatties too |
| 10:54.31 | Kueken | (test map might probably be easier) |
| 10:54.51 | Ta1es | http://gyazo.com/b83567bc36e0b8e9ab9db0d0b89806b6 |
| 10:55.05 | Ta1es | Thats what It tells me for the error as for the map 1sec. |
| 10:57.09 | Twodie | shake shake shake! |
| 11:00.25 | Ta1es | Do you want me to Pm you download link or just send it here? |
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| 11:02.13 | Ta1es | Kueken? |
| 11:02.28 | Kueken | as you wish |
| 11:02.35 | Ta1es | http://snk.to/f-chklrsam |
| 11:03.27 | Kueken | when exactly does the error occur? |
| 11:04.22 | Ta1es | When I use the ability? Btw I changed it to Beamattack so its eaiser to locate, just use the ability Y and check the log and it'll tell you the error of not being able to reattach the beam or something. |
| 11:06.44 | Zolden | Twodie I have completed the towers players will build, and starting making creeps, there will be 36 waves. Then I'll put the build/upgrade abils in buildings, then create triggers to controle everything, and it's finished. |
| 11:07.35 | Twodie | Zolden well you better make it UI changes not that uses default SC2 UI or boring ground textures like in Glass TD |
| 11:08.29 | Zolden | Twodie I fouhnd rare nice lookint ground textures, an UI is justt he thing I like how may look, but making it is no pleasure for me at all, so I ignore this part |
| 11:08.48 | Twodie | :( |
| 11:09.13 | Ta1es | xD |
| 11:10.13 | Twodie | Zolden how great is that? WIP: http://snag.gy/dQUR8.jpg |
| 11:10.14 | Zolden | there also will be some splats on terrain to highlight zones, so it will add some food for the eye |
| 11:11.06 | Zolden | the red and yellow indicators are a good thing |
| 11:11.14 | Zolden | and green |
| 11:11.59 | Zolden | are all resources equal? |
| 11:12.35 | Twodie | equal? |
| 11:12.38 | Kueken | Ta1es: The default Colossus Attack Beam actor is configured to be used in conjunction with the colossus weapon. |
| 11:12.41 | Twodie | waht do you meam/ |
| 11:13.07 | Twodie | now trying to recreat some what: http://imgs.sector.sk/files/novinky/2013-7-26-15-16-29/Rise-of-Venice-image-855.jpg |
| 11:13.16 | Kueken | if you want to use the beam graphics, I suggest creating a new beam actor instead and make it use the colossus beam graphics |
| 11:13.30 | Ta1es | Kueken, so you mean I have to make another weapon and link the model to my custom M.3 file? |
| 11:13.36 | Zolden | you have too many table lines of resources, it confuses, and makes a bit harder to find the one you need based only on icons. Group the resources in groups of 4 with a bit bigger height distance between them. Even if they are equal, this grouping will make it easier to operate |
| 11:14.27 | Kueken | Ta1es: no, you create a new actor, type "Beam Simple", based on "Beam One Shot" and set its model to "Colossus Attack Beam" |
| 11:14.42 | Kueken | and use that actor in your Bemattack action actor |
| 11:14.55 | Kueken | for the Art: Beam |
| 11:15.18 | Ta1es | Oh I know that will make it use the Visual effect of the Colossus, but the file I actually want to use for the effect is one I found thats like a Voidray's execpt alien green. |
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| 11:15.56 | Kueken | then use the same method and make your new beam use that model |
| 11:15.56 | Ta1es | When i used just the Colossus beam It worked no promblems, but when I wanted to use my M.3 file it denied. |
| 11:16.08 | Ta1es | Will try. |
| 11:16.51 | Ta1es | Wait if I use a beam simple, instead of Generic attack; I can't use the Token to link my Ability together with said model/actors. |
| 11:17.00 | Zolden | Twodie http://i.snag.gy/pnF26.jpg |
| 11:17.03 | Zolden | like this |
| 11:17.30 | Zolden | and make icons bigger |
| 11:17.30 | Twodie | Zolden well it have 4 groups of 5 . so in every side it have 5 of resource that have more one way effect of the city. Like first 5 are Basic Raw Ress then 5 Foods, 5 Res Commodity and that requires other Basic res to make them to be made, and 5 Additional resources |
| 11:17.34 | Zolden | and add resource name |
| 11:17.49 | Ta1es | Kueken Wait if I use a beam simple, instead of Generic attack; I can't use the Token to link my Ability together with said model/actors. |
| 11:17.54 | Twodie | Resource name is pointless, it just needs better Icons |
| 11:18.07 | Kueken | you will still use the action actor |
| 11:18.27 | Zolden | Twodie I think name is also an image, it may help for some ppl who are better with text |
| 11:18.41 | Twodie | well it has tooltip |
| 11:18.52 | Zolden | Twodie btw, can we produce goods from raw materials, like in caesar 3? |
| 11:19.02 | Twodie | Images will speak for itself when it will be better made |
| 11:19.04 | Kueken | the "Bemattack" actor will still be used, just its "Art - Beam" field will link to your custom beam actor instead of Colossus Beam |
| 11:19.05 | Bommes | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/58410-how-did-this-zeratul-do-whirlwind/#p8 /facepalm |
| 11:19.32 | Twodie | Zolden will try to accomplish something like that, producing the resource thing |
| 11:19.33 | Zolden | Twodie yea, i had to mouseover to see tooltip, and it's less convenient than having name near |
| 11:20.03 | Ta1es | Oh ok i'll try that. |
| 11:20.22 | Zolden | Twodie i thought about this kind of game, ppl only can trade between each other, but have to gather res and produce stuff by building mines on sources and also factories |
| 11:20.29 | Twodie | Zolden how about these images: http://www.manapool.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Patrician-4-trade.jpg |
| 11:21.14 | Kueken | Ta1es: if it worked with the colossus beam before, that might not be the issue though |
| 11:21.46 | Kueken | still its generally the preferred way, instead of messing with the standard colossus weapon |
| 11:21.53 | Zolden | Twodie on this image I would notice a nice font/color work to make it light for eye and rapidly understandable, good visual design... and icons are fine too |
| 11:22.34 | Twodie | Zolden so yeah that is the point I now require to make it happen |
| 11:23.06 | Zolden | and I require more minerlas |
| 11:23.52 | Ta1es | Kueken: Same result execpt it doubled the errors meaning it says it twice instead of once now xD |
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| 11:25.35 | Kueken | okay, its definitely a model issue, if I use any other beam model, it works fine |
| 11:25.48 | Kueken | where did you get the model anyway? |
| 11:26.53 | Kueken | Zolden: Can you check and possibly fix a beam model? |
| 11:27.57 | Zolden | Kueken I can only remake a beam model, it's not importable |
| 11:28.01 | Ta1es | Kueken, I was checking out a Mapfile someone posted for Refernce's sake and what not and Was going through the models and found that beam one; and sevearl others that looked amazing.. So I just copied the data or went to my Import thing and Exported the file so I had an exact copy... |
| 11:30.20 | duckies | bommes, he edited it =D |
| 11:30.45 | Bommes | he did? |
| 11:30.49 | Bommes | good for all of us. |
| 11:30.53 | Kueken | Ta1es: Yeah, the model is not a beam model |
| 11:31.26 | Kueken | it probably lacks the necessary attachments, if you need to know the specifics, Zolden's your man :D |
| 11:32.09 | Kueken | I get the same error message when i try to use a marine as the beam |
| 11:32.29 | Zolden | beam model requires "Attacher" bone |
| 11:32.48 | Kueken | so I recommend using a different model |
| 11:33.22 | Ta1es | So if I used like an Immortal would the ability work or just a Theory? |
| 11:33.42 | Kueken | ? |
| 11:33.45 | Zolden | be nice to immortal, you can kill it |
| 11:34.01 | Kueken | if you use a "real" beam model, it will work |
| 11:34.08 | Kueken | like it did with the colossus beam |
| 11:34.18 | Zolden | yea collossus beam ftw |
| 11:34.19 | Ta1es | ah.. so basically I got a fake model |
| 11:34.31 | Ta1es | Wow; Sorry to waste all your time because of that.. |
| 11:34.32 | Kueken | the model you use is called DarkWarpRayBeam.m3, but it is not actually a beam |
| 11:35.12 | Kueken | I blame Blizzard for inconsistent naming conventions |
| 11:35.31 | Bommes | It is just a cruel joke from the people who are in charge. |
| 11:36.16 | Ta1es | Ok then the next best thing, is it possible or should I say How can I change the color of the normal Voidray model to Green? |
| 11:36.40 | Zolden | let's arm ourselves with plastic models of colossus beam and mob attack the blizz hq |
| 11:39.46 | Bommes | Ta1es: You can go into the Unit actor for the void ray and find the field that is called "Events +". In there add a new Event "ActorCreation.*.* -> Set Tint Color |
| 11:40.29 | Kueken | Ta1es: The Dark Protoss units are unlocked with an upgrade. If you just make that upgrade available or already researched for the player (probably via trigger), all the player's protoss units will use their dark protoss optics, if applicable |
| 11:41.23 | Kueken | also needs the WoL campaign dependencies, but you probably use those already |
| 11:42.05 | Kueken | if you only want to make specific units use their Dark Protoss counterparts, you can change the models used by the actors instead |
| 11:42.23 | Kueken | the dark protoss stuff are mostly separate models you can use |
| 11:42.27 | Ta1es | Oh, thankyou Both of you. Highly appreciated. Im still new to the actors and models lol. |
| 11:43.10 | Kueken | if you need both regular and dark protoss versions to coexist, you would need to duplicate the units and all adjacent objects |
| 11:45.15 | Ta1es | Gotcha. |
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| 11:51.04 | Serashin | Looking for "implenter" for a 2v2 RTS project. |
| 11:55.02 | Zolden | in this chat people even lazy to make their own projects |
| 11:55.42 | Twodie | Zolden lol how I wouldnt be lazy |
| 11:56.07 | Serashin | Its my last day trying , dont fret it . Gave the guy initialy thought hed be in time to think till today too then i drop the project. |
| 11:56.38 | Zolden | Serashin the only way you can make it is pay for implementation |
| 11:57.05 | Zolden | Twodie just get square moustache |
| 11:57.51 | Serashin | Zolden , guess why i search for a person who is interested in a RTS project himself . Instead of searching some fag who loves money |
| 11:58.00 | Serashin | Working together is the best way |
| 12:00.41 | Zolden | do you have anything else to interest a guy? |
| 12:01.10 | Zolden | most probably you will only attract a noob, that has't his own ideas |
| 12:03.12 | Twodie | Zolden http://snag.gy/IcSLV.jpg |
| 12:04.02 | Zolden | new icons? |
| 12:08.37 | Serashin | To interest a guy ? , First off all there has to be a own interest in making a RTS . Secondly i have lots of stuff written down in seperate text documents + a alpha terrain map layout already very far processed. If someone is unsure about what kind of RTS who wants to create . I can give the data i have and he can decide himself iif theres something interesting that can out of that . Or lets say if it overlaps with his general m |
| 12:08.43 | Twodie | Just bigger, But yesterday was doing some shit to make new ones... So they look great isnt? :D |
| 12:09.58 | Serashin | And if we talking about approach + experience + comparison to other RTS outta there who failed to be succesfull . I guess experience in gaming and beeing playing sc2 since beta |
| 12:10.08 | Twodie | http://snag.gy/LqnVr.jpg |
| 12:10.38 | Zolden | Twodie they're fine |
| 12:11.08 | Twodie | yeah like first 5 in the top left |
| 12:11.56 | Zolden | Serashin as i said, go to team recruitment subforum and post a thread. Put there some of your work, so other mapmakers can be interested and ask you to go on |
| 12:15.03 | Zolden | Twodie looks like you have 2 cocain kinds, some grey roots, brains, vampire coats from homm, build icons, purple eyes, 2 kinds of wood logs, trash boxes adn boxes for not trash |
| 12:15.19 | Zolden | nice set of resources |
| 12:15.27 | Zolden | very psychodelic |
| 12:15.55 | Twodie | :D |
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| 13:00.57 | Dustin | Morning gentlemen |
| 13:07.11 | Zolden | hi dustin, r u high yet? |
| 13:10.48 | Dustin | Not yet, I just woke up and clocked in |
| 13:10.51 | Dustin | Soon though |
| 13:13.00 | Zolden | Dustin how much do you pay for stuff? |
| 13:13.45 | Bommes | hello |
| 13:18.37 | Dustin | 160 for a half an ounce usually |
| 13:18.54 | Dustin | can get up higher though depending on the week |
| 13:21.35 | Kueken | damn people, there are children here |
| 13:23.14 | Zolden | mapmaker children? little geniuses? they whould be tolerate about stuff |
| 13:23.32 | Dustin | It's a scientific fact that you map better on weed. |
| 13:23.48 | Dustin | And if you don't believe that, you're a terrorist! |
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| 13:26.54 | Kueken | I never mapped on weed. |
| 13:27.02 | Kueken | now are you saying my stuff is crap? |
| 13:29.09 | Kueken | gives Dustin the evil stare. |
| 13:29.11 | Dustin | No, but it's not the "weed great" that it could be. :P |
| 13:32.36 | duckies | hey dustin |
| 13:32.49 | duckies | I just remembered, you were making that map I played one day |
| 13:32.55 | duckies | with awesome machieneguns |
| 13:32.59 | duckies | how is it? |
| 13:33.30 | Dustin | It's going good! |
| 13:33.36 | Dustin | Slowly, but surely |
| 13:34.15 | duckies | good good |
| 13:34.55 | Dustin | I need to get it done so I can focus on my boardgame |
| 13:35.12 | duckies | I couldn't agree more =D |
| 13:35.29 | duckies | might be one reason for me to visit NA mapnight |
| 13:36.45 | Dustin | hehe |
| 13:55.02 | Zolden | fucking ninja http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/snova_17/42505524/393028/393028_original.gif |
| 13:56.52 | Dustin | daaamn |
| 14:00.05 | Zolden | http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/snova_17/42505524/394024/394024_original.gif |
| 14:03.06 | Zolden | me and UI relationship: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddJlX2hqgsE |
| 14:04.10 | Dustin | lol |
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| 14:24.29 | Goa | ehh |
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| 14:24.57 | Goa | how the fuck I hide the clock over button of an ability with cooldown? |
| 14:25.19 | Goa | its annoying if the ability is on autocast. |
| 14:25.33 | Goa | disabling it in button's flag didnt help |
| 14:25.37 | Dustin | 12 Guns, 12 Armors, Each gun has 3 upgrades, an ability, and 2 ability upgrades. Each armor has 1 effect and 1 upgrade. You can mix n match weapons/armors. Does that sound like enough items? |
| 14:29.18 | Kueken | Its not the amount that counts |
| 14:29.47 | Kueken | Goa: Pretty sure you can do something about it in the UI editor, however thats not my area of expertise |
| 14:30.39 | Goa | its not something that worth haxing by UI editor |
| 14:31.08 | Dustin | It is though |
| 14:31.21 | Dustin | Cause Im trying to offer a variety of playstyles/item matches |
| 14:31.38 | Dustin | this should be enough with the types of items I ahve planned so far |
| 14:32.40 | Kueken | if they are sufficiently different from each other |
| 14:34.07 | Dustin | Yeah each one is a completely different play style |
| 14:36.56 | Bommes | Hmm |
| 14:37.46 | Bommes | Is there are way to change how the Height change over time that you can do via a behavior is applied? I think it's always linear by default, but it would be nice if I could get an expontential or logarithmic increase in height over time |
| 14:43.19 | Kueken | you can do stuff like that for missile mover transitions, but I don't think you can do it for behavior |
| 14:44.56 | Bommes | Is there a way to increase the height of a unit with a missile mover? :D |
| 14:45.00 | Bommes | would be my next question |
| 14:45.28 | Kueken | depends on application |
| 14:45.48 | Kueken | but in general, you could just launch it upwards with a throw mover |
| 14:45.59 | Bommes | it has to stay up there though |
| 14:46.04 | Stewox | uuuuu |
| 14:46.08 | Stewox | you can have 4 cliffs :P |
| 14:46.28 | Stewox | how nice of you blizzard |
| 14:46.28 | Kueken | then you apply the behavior after the missile impacts |
| 14:46.59 | Stewox | and all 4 roads too |
| 14:47.23 | Stewox | but nooooooo more textures cannot be added |
| 14:49.29 | Stewox | We might just as well rename Google Trends into Sheeple Stats http://www.infowars.com/americans-more-interested-in-miley-cyrus-football-than-obamacare-or-govt-shutdown/ |
| 14:50.20 | Twodie | ohh noes Stewox is bad :( |
| 14:50.29 | Twodie | back |
| 14:50.34 | Goa | :( |
| 14:51.11 | Goa | He is still obsessed with miley cyrus. |
| 14:51.22 | Bommes | Kueken: Do you know what happens when a unit launched by a Launch Missile effect gets launched again by another Launch Missile effect while still in the Mover phase of the first effect? |
| 14:51.37 | Bommes | gets the first Launch Missile effect overridden? |
| 14:51.38 | Twodie | more like Information ingeneral |
| 14:52.32 | Twodie | Goa saw this? : http://snag.gy/LqnVr.jpg |
| 14:52.34 | Bommes | or is the second Launch Missile effect ignored? |
| 14:54.54 | Kueken | Bommes: it is ignored |
| 14:55.04 | Kueken | you can use Redirect Missile instead |
| 14:55.07 | Stewox | hello |
| 14:55.11 | Stewox | I have replaced texturesd |
| 14:55.12 | Kueken | but that will only work once |
| 14:55.14 | Stewox | they do not work |
| 14:55.23 | Goa | Twodie yes |
| 14:55.27 | Stewox | I replaced Korhal Concrete with Marsara Dirt |
| 14:55.29 | Stewox | it does not work |
| 14:55.39 | Stewox | the texture is changed but it does not paint anything |
| 14:55.48 | Kueken | or you launch the unit multiple times in quick succession |
| 14:55.48 | Stewox | the old texture is staying there |
| 14:55.49 | Twodie | Goa what you think about the layout? |
| 14:56.05 | Goa | needs work:D |
| 14:56.12 | Goa | I want sell all button:D |
| 14:57.01 | Stewox | oh now it worked, had to go into option texture replace |
| 14:57.06 | Bommes | Kueken: I think all of that is too complicated for what I would accomplish with it, I can probably use my time better by just leaving the behavior as it is and being mildly annoyed by the boring linearity of the height increase |
| 14:57.59 | Bommes | since besides that everything works as it should and it is relatively simple and elegant, so it should be fine |
| 14:58.37 | Twodie | Goa well I think next big gameplay feature will be making trade routes for traders that you wouldnt need to so much micro, and you as player would have better time spend while making the routes, expanding the production and influance in cities and fighting or raiding other convoys |
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| 15:01.10 | Bommes | Kueken: Also, you can only Redirect Missile once? |
| 15:01.16 | Bommes | that's interesting to know |
| 15:01.34 | Kueken | at least according to my tests |
| 15:01.46 | Kueken | maybe I did something wrong |
| 15:05.45 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 15:06.20 | Kueken | pukes all over the Zoop. |
| 15:07.44 | JademusSreg | ♥ |
| 15:09.20 | JademusSreg | Did I miss anything of import? |
| 15:09.47 | Twodie | http://snag.gy/LqnVr.jpg |
| 15:09.56 | Kueken | Bommes was killed in an incident of great mapping |
| 15:10.05 | Kueken | and Dustin is pregnant |
| 15:10.10 | Twodie | how about this goo: http://i.snag.gy/3mYK4.jpg |
| 15:10.42 | JademusSreg | Twod, great goo. Terrible dialog. |
| 15:10.49 | Bommes | I had a stroke from the zooping all over the channel. |
| 15:10.56 | Bommes | It was dramatic, ambulances everywhere. |
| 15:11.06 | Twodie | well thanks |
| 15:11.17 | JademusSreg | Kueken, I hope Dustin names the child Sreg. |
| 15:11.33 | Kueken | that you would have to ask the father |
| 15:11.42 | Dustin | the child will be named, STEVE |
| 15:12.03 | Kueken | ...and it already has a plan to take over the world |
| 15:12.21 | Dustin | You have to scream the name STEVE though cause it's all caps |
| 15:18.01 | Bommes | http://www.xkcd.com/1274/ I think this fits more into the topic that the channel has become lately than anything mapping related. |
| 15:18.16 | Kueken | but Jade, in other words, no, nothing important happened |
| 15:18.40 | JademusSreg | Got it. |
| 15:18.47 | Kueken | Bommes' revival as a zombie was mildly amusing, but "important" might overstate it |
| 15:20.25 | Bommes | Mildly amusing for some, mildly infuriating for other people. Just like this picture of how a piece of paper is taped http://imgur.com/KpMdWWd |
| 15:23.30 | Kueken | what am I looking at and whats exciting about it? |
| 15:23.43 | Kueken | I was expecting at least a swastika |
| 15:24.05 | Bommes | the way it is taped, it's not exciting at all |
| 15:24.09 | Bommes | I never promised it to be though! |
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| 15:27.55 | Dustin | Bommes, that picture is irritating as fuck |
| 15:28.04 | Dustin | I wanna slap whoever taped that |
| 15:28.23 | Kueken | seems it excited someone |
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| 15:41.01 | JademusSreg | It's deliberately infuriating in several ways. The color, taped on label, shitty tape job, and "general files" is counterproductive to organization. |
| 15:42.00 | Twodie | Does Trigger Event "Unit becames Idle" lags? |
| 15:42.35 | JademusSreg | It could start a lot of new threads. |
| 15:43.49 | JademusSreg | Up to n threads per tick, or every other tick, where n is the number of idle-capable units. |
| 15:44.05 | JademusSreg | Certainly wouldn't want a Wait in such a trigger. |
| 15:51.06 | Twodie | http://24.media.tumblr.com/d4a65ff93852b4c34d8588ddb9ca4a79/tumblr_mu0t622Px41rlmvm6o1_500.png |
| 15:54.11 | Dustin | AH SHIT I thought we lived through that horrible time of first and it was over. Conan is bringing it back :( |
| 15:54.30 | Twodie | it never went away |
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| 15:59.47 | Zandose | hello everyone |
| 16:00.56 | PusH | sup |
| 16:01.03 | JademusSreg | Zugzug |
| 16:01.53 | JademusSreg | Dustin, I played a bit of Terraria yesterday, realized my old data was deleted, so I started fresh as well. |
| 16:02.10 | Zandose | pets JademusSregs head and says "Good boy JademusSreg, good boy." |
| 16:02.26 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 16:02.27 | Twodie | http://youtu.be/RfTYfks-rYg?t=31s |
| 16:02.35 | Dustin | oh nice |
| 16:02.49 | Dustin | I was thinking about palying a bit this morning as works slow, would you like to join me? |
| 16:03.05 | Dustin | playing* |
| 16:03.11 | JademusSreg | Sounds good. |
| 16:03.43 | JademusSreg | Updating Steam, hah. |
| 16:04.45 | Dustin | what's your steam username? |
| 16:06.15 | JademusSreg | JademusSreg, I expect. |
| 16:07.05 | Dustin | The teethburrito gives it away |
| 16:08.27 | Dustin | server: dustinhendrickson.com port: 7777 |
| 16:08.33 | JademusSreg | kk |
| 16:08.57 | Zandose | can a condition statement be put into a functions/actions paramaters? |
| 16:09.09 | PusH | yes |
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| 16:09.29 | Zandose | For instance, can I change the 0.01's to be conditions? Actor - Send message (SetScale 0.01, 0.01, 0.01 0.0) to actor (To (Player group((Picked player))): O.Actor[Index]) - (To others: C.NoActor) |
| 16:09.38 | PusH | or rather you can use it within the definition |
| 16:10.31 | PusH | not sure what you asking |
| 16:10.39 | Zandose | a function within a function? |
| 16:10.39 | PusH | you wanna check the scale? |
| 16:10.48 | Zandose | hm |
| 16:11.32 | PusH | or do you mean set the message to a function? |
| 16:11.56 | PusH | and have it return the message based on conditions? |
| 16:12.42 | Zandose | basiclly I have a variable used to scale a model. "Variable - Set L.ScalingFactor = (Func.DistanceBetweenPoints3D(O.Position[(Picked player)], O.Position[Index]))" I use L.ScalingFactor divided by model scale and want to check if the result is below 0.01 and if so just return 0.01 |
| 16:12.43 | PusH | anyone know if you can use the pylon radius splat as a model? |
| 16:14.14 | PusH | set the value of the variable to a function |
| 16:14.25 | PusH | have the function check the equation and return the result you want |
| 16:14.36 | Zandose | was wondering if their was already a function for it or would i need to make my own? |
| 16:14.54 | PusH | function are all custom |
| 16:15.12 | Zandose | the math function Maximum might work for me |
| 16:15.29 | PusH | min rather |
| 16:16.30 | PusH | your looking for clamp actually |
| 16:16.34 | Zandose | i disagree. i want the function to return the higher number it can. so either 0.01 (minimun/default) or higher |
| 16:16.46 | PusH | look at clamp |
| 16:16.53 | Zandose | hmm |
| 16:17.04 | PusH | it will set it to within the restrictions you put |
| 16:17.22 | Kueken | (18:02:11) ***Zandose pets JademusSregs head and says "Good boy JademusSreg, good boy." |
| 16:17.34 | Kueken | he is touching kids! |
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| 16:17.59 | Zandose | more like petting a animal |
| 16:18.22 | Kueken | but that would be legal |
| 16:18.26 | Zandose | <JademusSreg> Zugzug |
| 16:18.36 | Kueken | and then my exclamation point would be exaggeration |
| 16:18.40 | Zolden | what's going on? |
| 16:19.12 | Twodie | U going to play terraria now! |
| 16:19.17 | Zandose | im now considers a child molester by Kueken |
| 16:19.25 | Zandose | im now considered a child molester by Kueken |
| 16:19.36 | Kueken | Bommes died and respawned as a zombie, Dustin carries a child called STEVE, Count of AllCaps, presumably fathered by JademusSreg |
| 16:19.42 | Kueken | yeah, and what Zandose said |
| 16:20.19 | Zandose | now feels part of the sc2mapster circle of wirdos. he's not sure if thats good or bad. |
| 16:20.42 | Kueken | a matter of perspective |
| 16:20.44 | Zolden | I still not give up my hope to recieve a child of Renee and Kueken |
| 16:21.07 | Zandose | that would be very interesting |
| 16:21.21 | Zolden | that would be the ultimate mapmakerman |
| 16:21.30 | Zolden | he wil mapmake unmapmakeble |
| 16:21.45 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 16:21.49 | Kueken | and if its a girl? |
| 16:22.18 | Zolden | girl will be aborted, it's china |
| 16:22.30 | Kueken | also, I feel like this is decided over my head |
| 16:22.46 | Kueken | what if I don't want to carry her child? |
| 16:23.10 | Zolden | Kueken just don't tell us that you would refuse. If we get Renee approval, we will even pay you the ticket to china |
| 16:23.31 | Kueken | I could send sperm per mail |
| 16:23.43 | Zolden | Kueken you can discuss who will carry, you or she |
| 16:23.58 | Zolden | Kueken no, you should do her in the ass |
| 16:24.34 | Zandose | why not just import Renee? |
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| 16:26.26 | Zolden | yea, let the child learn normal language, not that 3k years old set of icons |
| 16:28.07 | Kueken | okay |
| 16:28.13 | Kueken | fires up import manager |
| 16:28.23 | Kueken | someone has her file? |
| 16:29.39 | Zolden | search on goblin academy forum, should be somwere |
| 16:29.49 | Zolden | it's her stronghold |
| 16:30.31 | Zandose | is that website still used? |
| 16:31.04 | Zolden | maybe chinese will protect her, like they used to protect silk, porcelain, tea, cheap cellphones |
| 16:31.49 | Zolden | Zandose i think it's 1/2 used as mapster |
| 16:31.58 | Zandose | i see |
| 16:32.42 | Zandose | question: if i wanted to scale a unit based on the distance between it and another unit what math would I use? |
| 16:34.56 | Zolden | distance = sqrt(dx^2 + dy^2) |
| 16:35.07 | Zandose | got that part already |
| 16:35.18 | Zolden | what else do you need |
| 16:35.51 | Zandose | something like scale divided by distance = unit scale |
| 16:35.55 | Zandose | but it aint right |
| 16:36.49 | Zolden | what is the idea? |
| 16:37.45 | Kueken | keep in mind linear increase of the single dimension will increase volume to the 3rd power |
| 16:37.56 | Kueken | which is why it might look off |
| 16:38.29 | Kueken | (if you get what I mean) |
| 16:39.11 | Zandose | the idea is something like this: I have a unit in the center of the screen with the camera there and their are other units on the map. To make it look like the distance is greater then it is between your center unit and other units im changing their size/scale. So, I'm using something like "units scale / distance" to decrease said units size. |
| 16:40.03 | Zolden | yea, it's correct |
| 16:40.19 | Zolden | each dimension will be decreased by distance size |
| 16:40.44 | Zandose | the only problem is when the distance is less then 1. For instance 1 (scale) / 0.01 (distance) = 100 |
| 16:41.04 | Zolden | you just need to know the length that makes unit to have scale = 1 |
| 16:41.10 | Kueken | you would obviously not just divide scale by distance |
| 16:41.27 | Zolden | let's say there's L0 which gives scale k = 1 |
| 16:41.41 | Kueken | scale/1+distance |
| 16:41.42 | Zandose | uh |
| 16:41.57 | Zolden | L0/length is the scale coefficient |
| 16:42.14 | Kueken | could work |
| 16:43.19 | Zandose | does not understand. |
| 16:43.23 | Zandose | does not know maths |
| 16:44.09 | Zandose | 4 (scale) / 1 (?) + 0.01 (distance) = 4.01 |
| 16:44.10 | Zolden | there's nothing to understand. FOr example. distance = 10 is default scale. L0 = 10 |
| 16:44.23 | Zolden | don't do 1+distance, it's incorrect |
| 16:44.28 | Zandose | k |
| 16:44.29 | Kueken | scale / (1+distance) |
| 16:44.43 | Zandose | L0 is just another way to say distance? |
| 16:44.45 | Kueken | I implied you knew the parenthesis needed to be there |
| 16:45.08 | Zolden | Kueken that +1 is incorrect |
| 16:45.41 | Kueken | depends on what he needs, it provides a value < 0 that decreases based on distance |
| 16:45.54 | Kueken | without further details, it fits the parameters |
| 16:46.00 | Kueken | < 1 |
| 16:46.06 | Zolden | if L0 = 10, and distance = 20, k = 10/20 = 1/2. Then you multiply scale.x * k, scale.y * k, scale.z * k |
| 16:46.06 | Kueken | I mean |
| 16:46.30 | Zandose | how do i get L0? |
| 16:46.37 | Zolden | you define L0 |
| 16:46.50 | Zolden | the distance you want scale to be default |
| 16:46.57 | Kueken | it would be 4 in your own example |
| 16:47.06 | Kueken | I think |
| 16:47.20 | Zolden | Kueken this would mean default scale is at distance = 0, which is not how our 3d world's math works |
| 16:47.21 | Kueken | though I don't follow Zolden's approach entirely |
| 16:47.42 | Zolden | distance 0 should give infinite scale |
| 16:48.44 | Kueken | for the intended purpose, distance 0 = default|max scale seemed like the most probable solution |
| 16:48.56 | Kueken | but I might lack information here |
| 16:49.30 | Zolden | Kueken I usually trying to be physically correct. Your way would work, jsut won't look perfectly natural |
| 16:49.40 | Zandose | if L0 = 4 (scale), and distance = 0.01, k = 4/0.01 = 400. Then you multiply 4 (scale) * 400 (k) = 1600 |
| 16:49.41 | Zandose | error |
| 16:50.05 | Zolden | L0 isn't scale, it's base distance |
| 16:50.18 | Zolden | L0 is the distance your unit has scale = 1, 1, 1 |
| 16:50.46 | Zolden | if L0 = 4 and distance = 0.01, scale will be 400, 400, 400 |
| 16:51.01 | Kueken | Zolden: so if any object is directly on top of me, its size will automatically become infinite? o_0 |
| 16:51.03 | Zolden | you jsut need a minimum length to not scale higher |
| 16:52.50 | Zandose | i just dont get it. perhaps i should go with Kuekens solution as it just works |
| 16:52.59 | Zolden | Kueken yes, becasuse it's top point will be +90' up, and bottom point -90' down |
| 16:53.28 | Zolden | Zandose it's simple, you jsut need an image, let me draw one |
| 16:54.48 | Zandose | if your saying this is correct "<Zolden> if L0 = 4 and distance = 0.01, scale will be 400, 400, 400" then fine but still any distance <0.01 would make a unit bigger not smaller. |
| 17:02.16 | Bommes | goddamn, the smell of bacon is coming through my open window. |
| 17:02.23 | Bommes | what a cruel world this is |
| 17:03.15 | PusH | how dare you speak of bacon without offering some |
| 17:04.24 | Zolden | Zandose http://i.snag.gy/8WGzU.jpg |
| 17:04.52 | Zolden | L0 is where unit always present |
| 17:05.17 | Zolden | rescaling it "places" it in the desired position |
| 17:06.14 | Zolden | and desired position length = L0/scale |
| 17:06.27 | Zolden | or scale = L0/length |
| 17:07.25 | Kueken | gives away bacon |
| 17:11.14 | PusH | nom nom nom |
| 17:11.50 | Zolden | saves a pig from baconization and rides it in the skies |
| 17:15.55 | Zandose | hits head again the desk multiple times |
| 17:16.03 | Zandose | hits head against the desk multiple times |
| 17:16.44 | Kueken | hits Zandose's head against the desk even more times |
| 17:16.50 | Kueken | he seems to like it |
| 17:17.00 | Zandose | thanks Kueken |
| 17:19.30 | Zandose | Im sorry but can you explain how you get Lo? |
| 17:19.38 | Zandose | or what it means |
| 17:20.02 | Zandose | hmm |
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| 17:27.57 | Zolden | Zandose L0 is the distance between the camera and the unit you scale |
| 17:29.59 | Zandose | ok, and whats length? |
| 17:30.43 | Zolden | length is the distance between the camera and the IMAGINARY position of the unit |
| 17:32.23 | Zolden | if you see boobs, L0 is distance between your eyes and the boobs, and if boobs got visually 2 times bigger, boob owner came closer to you, so the length became 1/2 of L0, or boob owner didn't move, but boobs increased 2x larger |
| 17:32.59 | Zandose | perhaps we are thinking about this differently |
| 17:33.22 | Zolden | you don't move your unit, right? |
| 17:33.39 | Zolden | it only get bigger/smaller to pretend it's far or close? |
| 17:33.46 | Zandose | let me give you all my data's |
| 17:33.49 | Torhal | refrains from comment. |
| 17:33.50 | Zolden | no |
| 17:34.03 | Zandose | k |
| 17:34.09 | Zolden | i just alttab from this |
| 17:34.13 | Zandose | i see it like this.... |
| 17:34.50 | Stewox | govt makes fun of sheeple again http://www.infowars.com/was-governments-amber-alert-offline-notice-a-fake/ |
| 17:35.11 | Twodie | Stewox NO POLITICS HERE |
| 17:35.12 | Twodie | FROM YOU |
| 17:35.14 | Twodie | PLEASE |
| 17:35.20 | Stewox | allright |
| 17:35.54 | Stewox | but you people do realize there's more than 50% chance you'll lose all your bank savings right ? |
| 17:36.21 | Stewox | green toilet paper |
| 17:36.43 | Zolden | Twodie just ignore the fucker |
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| 17:37.13 | Twodie | Stewox well we dont give a fuck |
| 17:37.18 | nobamataro | one comment zoldent |
| 17:37.37 | Twodie | We gather here not to get to the all the money loses or complain about it |
| 17:37.38 | Zandose | the map is 256 by 256. the camera is at the center of the map x128y128. each unit has its own variable with a scale (in this case 4). if the unit is right on top of me its scale is 4, if its a distance of 64 then its scale is 2. |
| 17:37.50 | Twodie | we come here for STARCRAFT 2 MAPPING |
| 17:38.25 | nobamaroto | one comment zolden |
| 17:39.06 | nobamaroto | your from russia right, so, wouldn't you understood what i was talking about, your country being in tyranny for 60 years, all you pesants groveling to the dictator, don't your remember ? |
| 17:39.21 | Twodie | just dont comment and go where people would care more about what you want to share |
| 17:39.36 | Zandose | perhaps ill just use "scale - ((scale/128)*distance) |
| 17:39.38 | nobamaroto | and stalin took the guns as well didn he :p |
| 17:40.12 | Kueken | Zolden: Your equasion doesn't account for surprise boob implants |
| 17:40.58 | Zolden | Stewox i won't answer to you, you're insane |
| 17:41.14 | Zolden | look at your desktop |
| 17:41.31 | nobamaroatro | wait, you don't remember what soviet russia was ? |
| 17:41.57 | nobamaroatro | same things happening in usa and you can't see, you better ask your parents and relatives what happend |
| 17:42.13 | Dustin | This new mouse is awesome, I'm loving it. |
| 17:42.17 | Zolden | i'd discuss it, but not with you |
| 17:42.33 | nobamaroatro | why not with me ? did i made anything up myself ? |
| 17:42.45 | Zolden | Dustin we live in the future, everything rocks |
| 17:42.57 | Zolden | 50 years ago mouses were super gay |
| 17:43.19 | Zolden | nobamaroatro you just insane |
| 17:43.48 | Dustin | lol did stewox change his name? |
| 17:43.54 | Dustin | That looks like something he'd do |
| 17:44.06 | Zolden | Dustin yea, to say his stuff to me |
| 17:44.08 | nobamaroatro | no, you're just being funny |
| 17:44.31 | Dustin | Ahh, hehe, this is why I hostmask ignore :D |
| 17:44.38 | Torhal | nobamaroatro: Stop nick-changing to evade ignores. |
| 17:44.40 | *** kick/#sc2mapster [nobamaroatro!~Torhal@li234-119.members.linode.com] by Torhal (Kindergarten is elsewhere!) |
| 17:45.00 | Kueken | blasphemy! |
| 17:45.02 | Dustin | I hope that kid get's a rude awakening soon |
| 17:45.09 | Kueken | someone kicked the prophet of truth! |
| 17:45.14 | Dustin | Thank you Torhal |
| 17:45.15 | Torhal | Kueken: :P |
| 17:45.19 | Torhal | np |
| 17:46.56 | Twodie | Zolden why you dont have spiders models? :/ |
| 17:48.21 | PusH | how do i find the source of an error in a test map? |
| 17:48.27 | Zolden | i have a real one |
| 17:49.05 | Twodie | Zolden that will not makes into 3d world with zerglings to work |
| 17:49.22 | Twodie | PusH turn on the Debug window |
| 17:49.26 | Twodie | in preferences |
| 17:51.35 | Twodie | I guess I will go to make those WC3 models to work in SC2 |
| 17:52.10 | Zandose | the game automatically scales any unit or model based on the distance between your camera and the unit/model. whats the scaling factor used? |
| 17:52.13 | PusH | isn't that only for triggers |
| 17:52.19 | PusH | the error is in data |
| 17:52.51 | Twodie | data too |
| 17:53.04 | Twodie | if it havor aongogoag |
| 17:53.04 | Twodie | gspa |
| 17:53.04 | Twodie | gag |
| 17:53.04 | Twodie | ;ladf |
| 17:53.10 | Twodie | or maybe not |
| 17:56.06 | Zolden | Twodie I heard Renee got .max wc3 models to turn them to sc2 |
| 17:57.02 | Twodie | will walk to him silenty with my knife |
| 18:00.37 | PusH | so how do i find the data error? |
| 18:04.27 | Twodie | enable error display in Map Options |
| 18:06.23 | PusH | already did |
| 18:06.42 | PusH | it gives an error but i can't find where its coming from |
| 18:07.06 | PusH | its a "can't create missile directly" error |
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| 18:35.33 | PusH | any data people left? |
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| 18:37.11 | Dustin | No |
| 18:37.21 | Dustin | Inface, I don't even know what data is |
| 18:37.27 | Dustin | Infact* |
| 18:37.37 | Stewox | water can't be above 48 |
| 18:37.39 | Stewox | fail |
| 18:37.51 | Stewox | this editor is such a pile of crap |
| 18:38.24 | Triceron | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Slime_zpsed801060.gif |
| 18:39.20 | PusH | would make a nice avatar |
| 18:39.49 | Twodie | Triceron great but what is it and what its the role of this model? |
| 18:40.00 | Dustin | Nice slime |
| 18:40.05 | Triceron | it's a slime |
| 18:40.10 | Triceron | and it's role is to be slimy |
| 18:40.49 | Twodie | In game? future of this model for you? |
| 18:40.59 | PusH | anyway to get a search effect to look for just one unit type without using a validitor in the following effect? |
| 18:41.07 | Triceron | it's a creep |
| 18:41.30 | Goa | this map looks interesting http://pbrd.co/199MvAF |
| 18:42.17 | Triceron | are they shooting fish at each other? |
| 18:42.39 | Triceron | And yeah, it does look interesting. Have you played it? |
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| 18:44.24 | Dustin | aaand im back |
| 18:44.59 | Triceron | wb, we missed you! |
| 18:45.44 | PusH | hey keuken can i ask a quick question? |
| 18:46.00 | Zolden | Triceron oh yea |
| 18:46.11 | Triceron | hey Zolden |
| 18:46.14 | Zolden | hey |
| 18:46.25 | Triceron | hey did you add a particle effect to the slime? |
| 18:46.38 | Zolden | i want it as a creep for my map |
| 18:47.01 | Zolden | waht do you mean did I? is there a particle? |
| 18:47.17 | Zolden | I could if you want me to |
| 18:47.31 | Triceron | well I was porting over the shader, saw that there was a particle in the scene, wasn't sure if it was something you created |
| 18:47.36 | Triceron | guess not though |
| 18:48.05 | Zolden | i didn't add anithing |
| 18:50.11 | PusH | anyone here good with beams? |
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| 18:52.44 | Kueken | PusH: you have to type my name correctly |
| 18:52.54 | PusH | opps |
| 18:52.56 | PusH | srry my bad |
| 18:53.22 | Kueken | press tab to make irc do that automatically after you typed the first few letters |
| 18:53.36 | PusH | sweet |
| 18:53.42 | Kueken | personally, I don't care, but I don't get highlighted if you mistype |
| 18:53.47 | PusH | is there a page with all these shortcuts? |
| 18:53.54 | Kueken | no idea |
| 18:54.26 | PusH | how do you do those msg with your name next to them |
| 18:54.31 | Kueken | as for your problem, I can handle beams quite well, but I have no time right now, maybe in an hour or so |
| 18:54.42 | PusH | well i solved one of them |
| 18:54.52 | Kueken | remind me if I don't come back to you |
| 18:54.53 | PusH | i can wait tho |
| 18:54.56 | PusH | ok ty |
| 19:06.58 | Eimtr | hey can any1 tell me, why detecting a unit on the map wont work if i do e.g If Number of e.g Barracks units.. owned by player .., It would work if I did Pick each Barracks unit in entire map... if number of units(picked unit) |
| 19:07.36 | A1win | that didn't make any sense |
| 19:08.13 | Eimtr | i have some actions that i want to run when at specific supply used a structure - refinery is built |
| 19:09.19 | Eimtr | so if I have my triggs - Player 1 supply used changes, if <= 14 supply AND if Number of Refinery units on entire map owned by player 1 = 1, then do actions |
| 19:10.00 | Eimtr | actually neither Number of units nor ((Random Living unit from (Refinery units in (Entire map) owned by player 1 matching Excluded: Missile, Dead, Hidden, with at most Any Amount)) is under construction) == True |
| 19:10.12 | Eimtr | none work |
| 19:10.35 | Eimtr | but if I do Pick each unit in Refinery units owned by player - If Number of units (picked unit_ ==1, then the actions work |
| 19:11.16 | A1win | that last condition makes no sense |
| 19:11.29 | A1win | pick each is a loop |
| 19:12.18 | A1win | it might return true but not for the right reason |
| 19:12.56 | Eimtr | so it cannot detect that there is a building of that type on the map owned by player if it is not with Pick each unit? |
| 19:13.36 | A1win | ypu are doing something else wrong |
| 19:13.50 | Eimtr | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/58307-lots-of-conditions-avoid-duplicating-actions/?post=9 |
| 19:13.58 | Eimtr | here you will see the triggz |
| 19:14.45 | Eimtr | basically the trigger worked if I put Pick each unit in Refinery units... then the If/Then/Else was with (picked) unit, but without Pick each unit it didnt wanna run the actions |
| 19:15.35 | Eimtr | If/Then/else for this Random Living unit is under construction = true, worked only if after Pick each.. but not alone |
| 19:15.49 | PusH | exactly |
| 19:15.52 | A1win | why are you using random unit |
| 19:15.53 | PusH | you need picked unit |
| 19:16.34 | Eimtr | A1win.. well what would be the best way to get a single building on the map when it is the only unit there |
| 19:16.41 | Dustin | Eimtr |
| 19:16.45 | Dustin | Unit 1 of unit Group |
| 19:16.49 | PusH | no |
| 19:16.55 | Dustin | Yes |
| 19:17.02 | A1win | your logic is weird |
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| 19:17.07 | Dustin | Ya |
| 19:17.08 | Dustin | Very weird |
| 19:18.00 | A1win | it isn't even obvious from the statement what you want it to do |
| 19:18.50 | Eimtr | ok i want when under certain supply used event to check if a building is under construction, to do actions |
| 19:19.51 | Eimtr | I thought if Random (refinery) unit and it is the only refinery on the map, it should choose that unit |
| 19:19.53 | A1win | just check if the number of units under construction of that type > 0 |
| 19:20.44 | Eimtr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.07 | Eimtr | that trigger also didn't work unless I used Pick each unit and then Number of Living units in (Picked unit) |
| 19:21.41 | A1win | that is missing Required: under construction from the filter |
| 19:22.03 | PusH | its likely you using picked unit in the actions the follow without using it properly in a loop |
| 19:22.19 | Eimtr | but Allowd means, it would choose that too right? Cause if I do Pick each unit and there it is Missile, Dead, Hidden - same filters, then I do Number of units and it detects it |
| 19:22.41 | PusH | it means it is permitted in the search |
| 19:22.46 | PusH | doesn't mean it will reference it |
| 19:23.02 | A1win | why do it with two separate checks |
| 19:23.09 | Eimtr | hmm ok i will now try the same trigg with required under consutrction |
| 19:25.00 | A1win | dunno if that is the problem though, jst makes it clearer and therefore easir to spot the problem |
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| 19:26.00 | Dustin | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3222 |
| 19:26.04 | Dustin | That should work there |
| 19:26.35 | Dustin | erm |
| 19:27.01 | Eimtr | nope, clicking required for under construction didnt solve it |
| 19:27.15 | PusH | paste your entire code |
| 19:27.19 | Eimtr | hey nice prog, does it parse sc2 triggers? |
| 19:27.34 | Dustin | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3226 |
| 19:27.38 | Dustin | I meant to use that one |
| 19:28.14 | Twodie | http://snag.gy/GhVcA.jpg |
| 19:29.01 | Zolden | Twodie wtf is that? |
| 19:29.19 | Twodie | Dune 2000 |
| 19:29.55 | Eimtr | Dustin so I need a unit group to get a unit from it? cause i will use that a lot of times, |
| 19:30.01 | Dustin | No |
| 19:30.07 | Dustin | But it looks better |
| 19:30.17 | Eimtr | and Pick each unit works because it adds the units to some picked unit group? |
| 19:30.36 | Dustin | I wouldnt use pick each unit to be honest |
| 19:30.53 | A1win | use debug messages to find out where your triggers fail |
| 19:30.56 | Dustin | Ya |
| 19:30.59 | Twodie | www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/21378-model-showcase-warcraft-units/?page=11#p201 |
| 19:31.03 | Dustin | Make sure it's on that part and not your supply check |
| 19:31.18 | A1win | pick each unit is a for loop |
| 19:31.46 | Eimtr | how to debufg |
| 19:31.49 | Eimtr | debug |
| 19:32.08 | A1win | debug message is just text |
| 19:32.21 | Eimtr | not sure whether using a group every time would be clean cause i would need to check units over 50 times |
| 19:32.34 | Triceron | thanks Twodie! |
| 19:33.15 | A1win | print the values of your variables at different parts of your trigger to see if they are what you think they should be |
| 19:33.52 | A1win | read wikipedia article on ddbugging |
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| 19:37.08 | Twodie | Triceron NO, THANK YOU for making these! |
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| 19:38.49 | Zolden | no thanks for you both for being cool and nice |
| 19:47.32 | Eimtr | ok im see the debug window but i dont know, do i need to insert that debug command somewhere? |
| 19:49.29 | Eimtr | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3227 |
| 19:49.32 | Eimtr | thats my code |
| 19:50.05 | Eimtr | and idk how to even use that debug there |
| 19:50.29 | Triceron | being cool and nice comes with being Canadian |
| 19:57.33 | Zolden | i knew Twodie is canadian! |
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| 19:58.29 | Triceron | He will be, once we start our invasion |
| 19:59.12 | Twodie | :/ |
| 20:00.31 | Eimtr | so I need to add a unit to a unit group, what would be the best way? |
| 20:00.58 | Eimtr | pick each unit (type) - add to unit group is the same as doing it without increasing my trigger lines with adding them to unit group |
| 20:01.18 | Torhal | I can just see it now: Millions of Canadians walking slowly over the border, smiling, chanting "Do not be alarmed; this is a kindness." |
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| 20:19.38 | Dzuke911 | Hi, is it possible to use revive ability on neutral building with iteract ability? like wc3 tavern |
| 20:20.10 | Zolden | Dzuke911 hey, can you get to skype for a sec? |
| 20:20.18 | Dzuke911 | ok |
| 20:22.38 | Zolden | Dustin I rememebr you've been playing with shop stuff, maybe you know What to answer to Dzuke911? |
| 20:29.03 | Kueken | PusH: Got time now |
| 20:31.34 | PusH | oh hey sweet |
| 20:32.59 | Kueken | still got a problem? ;) |
| 20:33.27 | PusH | tons |
| 20:33.36 | PusH | we'll i got most of them |
| 20:33.45 | PusH | just a few weird ones now |
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| 20:34.10 | PusH | kk so for the beam, i managed to short it all out |
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| 20:34.22 | PusH | the only issue is |
| 20:35.08 | PusH | my terrain is extremely vaying so the end point is sometimes way down; is there anyway to set it up to behave as throw drivers do |
| 20:35.36 | Kueken | what do you mean? the beam bending over terrain? |
| 20:35.42 | PusH | in that the endpoint is always on the same level or higher |
| 20:36.05 | Kueken | ah |
| 20:36.13 | PusH | well right now the beams goes through the ground if the end point is at a none cliff level |
| 20:36.37 | PusH | so the difference in heigth between the start and end point is like 20 |
| 20:36.42 | Kueken | hm, you could add a SOpCasterZ or something |
| 20:37.05 | Kueken | but that would cause the beam to always be at the same height as the caster |
| 20:37.05 | PusH | does that always keep it at the same height as the caster? |
| 20:37.09 | PusH | ya |
| 20:37.27 | PusH | any way to make it at caster cliff level or next up |
| 20:37.45 | Kueken | probably, I wouldn't know how |
| 20:38.03 | PusH | ok, ill try the caster sop then |
| 20:43.50 | Bibendus| | mmm i haz a problem |
| 20:43.58 | Bibendus| | http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/7627/k4rt.jpg |
| 20:43.58 | PusH | can you set search effect to look for a specfic unit type without having to use a validator in the following effect? |
| 20:45.01 | Bibendus| | dafuq sc2 art tools :| |
| 20:45.31 | Triceron | are you missing textures? |
| 20:45.37 | Bibendus| | i see them in localhost |
| 20:45.44 | Bibendus| | but that's what happens on bnet xD |
| 20:45.51 | Triceron | you using mopaq textures? |
| 20:46.00 | Triceron | making sure you checked that? |
| 20:46.30 | Bibendus| | mopaq? |
| 20:46.59 | Kueken | PusH: no, you have to use a validator |
| 20:47.13 | PusH | damn |
| 20:47.54 | PusH | ok i think my last question is if its possible to use the pylon radius splat as a cursor model |
| 20:48.02 | Kueken | Bibendus|: looks cool if intentional, but judging by your comment, it isn't :D |
| 20:48.11 | Bibendus| | the white stuff? xD |
| 20:48.31 | DeadZergling | Hi Zolden, this comic is something I could see you coming up with: http://amultiverse.com/2010/09/21/cheezburger-hill/ |
| 20:48.35 | Kueken | PusH: try it out, just add a cursor model and change the model |
| 20:48.43 | PusH | i did |
| 20:48.45 | PusH | no go |
| 20:49.03 | Kueken | what happened? nothing showed up? |
| 20:49.11 | PusH | even in the previewer it does look like how it is on the pylon |
| 20:49.17 | Triceron | http://snag.gy/hDV6W.jpg |
| 20:49.28 | PusH | nothing; maybe a small blue glow at times |
| 20:49.55 | Kueken | it might be model-related, some models cannot handle movement, mostly ground decals etc |
| 20:49.58 | Bibendus| | btw |
| 20:50.01 | Bibendus| | this should be the result |
| 20:50.04 | Bibendus| | http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/3779/y7uk.jpg |
| 20:50.16 | Triceron | Bibendus - http://snag.gy/hDV6W.jpg |
| 20:50.20 | PusH | btw i don't see a sopcasterz |
| 20:50.53 | Kueken | it might be called differently |
| 20:50.57 | Triceron | if you didn't check that box when you exported, the texture will only source your local files |
| 20:51.00 | Bibendus| | lets check |
| 20:51.04 | Triceron | instead of whatever texture you had in the game |
| 20:51.16 | Bibendus| | interesting |
| 20:51.21 | Bibendus| | why isn't that thing on by default xD |
| 20:51.29 | Triceron | I know, it's kinda dumb like that |
| 20:52.34 | PusH | would it be sop forward caster point? |
| 20:53.10 | PusH | theres also a height launch |
| 20:53.56 | Bibendus| | but when I export |
| 20:54.00 | Bibendus| | I dont think i have these options |
| 20:55.06 | Bibendus| | Triceron where did u find these export options? |
| 20:55.15 | Triceron | export floater |
| 20:55.15 | Bibendus| | oh |
| 20:55.17 | Bibendus| | export floater |
| 20:55.20 | Bibendus| | i used just export .P |
| 20:55.26 | Triceron | yeah don't do that :P |
| 20:55.45 | Triceron | you gotta checkmark that box every time you export something new |
| 20:55.50 | Triceron | cuz it's not on default. Really sucks. |
| 20:56.12 | Triceron | you can leave it unchecked if you're just previewing stuff locally |
| 20:56.36 | Kueken | PusH: there is a SOpTargetUnitZ |
| 20:56.46 | Bibendus| | oh wait |
| 20:56.48 | Kueken | you can copy that and modify it to use the caster unit |
| 20:56.49 | Bibendus| | keeping it off |
| 20:56.56 | Bibendus| | it makes the model refresh everytime u load the map? |
| 20:57.18 | Bibendus | because I noticed that the model refreshes when I change it |
| 20:57.42 | Bibendus | while previously when I was working with the custom plugin on 3dsmax 2010 the model was cached |
| 20:57.48 | Kueken | also using PylonRadiusUnpowered.m3 as cursor splat worked flawlessly. |
| 20:58.01 | Bibendus | and it was really annoying to test changes on the model |
| 20:58.49 | Kueken | same with PylonRadius.m3 |
| 20:59.02 | PusH | thats what i used |
| 20:59.08 | PusH | but no go |
| 20:59.57 | PusH | the unpowered one works tho |
| 21:00.04 | Kueken | tested it with Psi Storm, all I modified was the model file used by the "Psi Storm Cursor Splat" model object, and it worked |
| 21:00.58 | PusH | ya odd, only the unpowered one works for me |
| 21:00.59 | Kueken | PylonRadius didn't show up in cse, so I tried unpowered first |
| 21:01.07 | PusH | must be something i did |
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| 21:01.21 | PusH | as long as i know its possilbe |
| 21:13.53 | PusH | thx kueken i think you got everything |
| 21:16.49 | Bibendus | tx Triceron it works great :P |
| 21:17.06 | Bibendus | can anyone test hive keeper 0.96 in coop mode for me? |
| 21:17.09 | Bibendus | i have to take a shower :P |
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| 21:22.30 | Dustin | after I go get some food I will Bibendus |
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| 21:55.09 | Zolden | DeadZergling yea |
| 21:55.10 | Zolden | hey |
| 22:15.51 | bobbytables567 | Err... How do I print an integer? |
| 22:16.21 | JademusSreg | IntToText |
| 22:18.10 | bobbytables567 | Ah, it's a function I have to access from the "message" field. Found it. Thanks. |
| 22:20.02 | bobbytables567 | Triggers are a really bizarre way to script. |
| 22:20.30 | JademusSreg | Prefer using the script directly. |
| 22:21.18 | bobbytables567 | Ah, I guess I ought to learn that. But then I'd have to look up all the function names and such. |
| 22:21.43 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/StandardGalaxy.7z |
| 22:24.16 | Zolden | soon i'll finish data and start coding, yea |
| 22:24.20 | Zolden | foretesting |
| 22:27.13 | DeadZergling | this comic has Zolden written all over it: http://amultiverse.com/2010/09/21/cheezburger-hill/ |
| 22:28.01 | Zolden | http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/snova_17/42505524/390870/390870_original.gif |
| 22:29.59 | Zolden | DeadZergling lol |
| 22:30.20 | Zolden | yea, they know how to make humas laug |
| 22:32.45 | DeadZergling | you been up to much Z, or just out in nature still? |
| 22:36.12 | Zolden | ...what? |
| 22:36.38 | Zolden | are you out of ability to express your thoughts without making me confused? |
| 22:36.52 | Zolden | dyslexia it's called |
| 22:36.58 | Zolden | or i suck at english |
| 22:37.25 | Zolden | which is not true |
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| 22:44.00 | DeadZergling | I'm asking, you been doing much, or on lame internet from the fat people as you described them |
| 22:44.38 | Zolden | i'm back |
| 22:44.45 | Zolden | there was snow in september |
| 22:44.57 | Zolden | it pushed me away from nature |
| 22:49.28 | DeadZergling | back to making models for projects you decide you don't like? |
| 22:51.21 | Zolden | what is this suppposed to mean? |
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| 22:57.09 | Zolden | Triceron have you used wow anim or created it? |
| 22:59.43 | DeadZergling | well seems like you make models for a project, then decide you don't like the project is all |
| 23:00.36 | Zolden | DeadZergling do you mean a certain project right now? |
| 23:01.01 | DeadZergling | yes, are you working on one right now? :P |
| 23:01.20 | Zolden | if yes, what project do you mean |
| 23:01.43 | Zolden | I don't remember i changed my mind about anything or stopped modelling becasue of it |
| 23:02.02 | DeadZergling | your english has gotten worse |
| 23:03.15 | Zolden | don't deviate from the subject, name the project you mean |
| 23:04.42 | Zolden | when I need english level estimator for me I will call "we can express a professional opinion about any of your skills" service and call a lady |
| 23:15.21 | Triceron | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE |
| 23:22.14 | Zolden | its harmony reminded my to listen to "loosing my religion" again |
| 23:23.36 | Zolden | but the song is jsut awesome |
| 23:25.10 | Zolden | guess they were so much under cocain while creating it |
| 23:25.18 | Zolden | it's jsut too good to be created without cocain |
| 23:35.46 | Zolden | man, i like the guy, he's making intelligent, laconical and funny lyrics, and combines it with the pathos of cheap pop music, and all this has a nice incrustation of absurd |
| 23:35.58 | Zolden | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbyzgeee2mg |
| 23:36.16 | Triceron | oh yes I've used WoW anims |
| 23:36.26 | Triceron | Water elemental, Gnoll, this new slime dude |
| 23:37.40 | Zolden | and how you di it? importing the skeleton and skinning? |
| 23:39.58 | Triceron | yeah |
| 23:40.01 | Triceron | pretty much that. |
| 23:40.38 | Triceron | WoW Model Viewer, export as .m3, bring in using M3exporter script, then export with Art Tools. |
| 23:43.02 | Zolden | are you good with weighting vertexes within skin? |
| 23:43.13 | Triceron | not really |
| 23:43.18 | Zolden | also funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaEnaoydUUo |
| 23:43.21 | Triceron | I usually rely on using the weight editor |
| 23:43.31 | Triceron | weighting is all numbers to me |
| 23:43.42 | Triceron | I don't use envelopes or weight painting or anything like that |
| 23:44.19 | Zolden | what exactly do you do? adding skin modifier, putting bones there, what next? |
| 23:45.04 | Triceron | no |
| 23:45.12 | Triceron | I import the whole WoW model |
| 23:45.28 | Triceron | bring in my mesh, line things up |
| 23:45.44 | Triceron | apply Skin Wrap to my model, and target the WoW model |
| 23:46.03 | Triceron | select weight all points, convert skin |
| 23:46.11 | Triceron | then fix up any weighting issues manually. |
| 23:48.55 | Zolden | fuck, i'm impressed, it's jsut the best i saw on youtube for years http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=369FGAb1iI8 |
| 23:49.53 | Zolden | oh, cool, i'll try this method |
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