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| 00:11.49 | DeadZergling | Something tells me the other kickstarter aint gonna make it |
| 00:12.01 | Triceron | haha |
| 00:12.47 | Triceron | it's still at $36 |
| 00:14.42 | DeadZergling | yea, been sitting at that for 3 weeks now |
| 00:17.10 | DeadZergling | granted, my current project been sitting for even longer :) |
| 00:17.31 | Triceron | you kickstarted it? |
| 00:17.36 | DeadZergling | naw |
| 00:17.41 | DeadZergling | I just mean sitting around |
| 00:17.48 | Triceron | oh, haha |
| 00:18.13 | DeadZergling | I know how to do most of what I want to do, which makes it boring, and makes it hard for me to follow through |
| 00:18.25 | DeadZergling | I'll get back to it soon though |
| 00:22.26 | Triceron | what are you working (or not working) on? |
| 00:24.20 | DeadZergling | Horologium RPG |
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| 00:25.01 | DeadZergling | hello Kefka |
| 00:25.10 | soulcarver | can anybody help me with these errors http://pastebin.com/uCz3YHPk |
| 00:25.43 | soulcarver | i dont have HOTS... and my map didnt like a few things about the patches |
| 00:25.55 | soulcarver | hola |
| 00:28.17 | DeadZergling | Yea, hate those kinds of errors |
| 00:28.47 | DeadZergling | usually just playing with the new field or deleting any new weird references in the actor events can clear something like that up |
| 00:30.02 | Triceron | when is black friday? |
| 00:30.05 | Triceron | is that nov? |
| 00:30.30 | DeadZergling | is always the day after thanksgiving |
| 00:30.40 | DeadZergling | so yes, november |
| 00:30.43 | Triceron | is that nov? |
| 00:31.10 | Triceron | wasnt sure, not American. our thxgivings is earlier |
| 00:33.14 | soulcarver | so the error message i cant tell if its saying the actor or the model is having an issue loading |
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| 00:42.17 | DeadZergling | yes, november is nov |
| 00:43.30 | Triceron | ohoho |
| 00:43.33 | Bommes | man, for every idea that I implement I get 5 new ideas that would also be awesome to make |
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| 02:28.47 | ThunderLord | anyone wana help ballance test a game? |
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| 03:30.34 | EntityEnigma | what are the slots for feet and arm textures |
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| 03:57.32 | ezbeats | hi sc2mapster |
| 04:03.14 | Zandose | hi me |
| 04:04.14 | Zandose | what brings you to our corner? |
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| 04:08.02 | ezbeats | mapping |
| 04:08.04 | ezbeats | zandose |
| 04:08.10 | ezbeats | are you the modeller? |
| 04:08.23 | Zandose | is the trigger man |
| 04:08.35 | Zandose | zolden is the modeller |
| 04:09.03 | ezbeats | ahhh yes |
| 04:09.05 | ezbeats | zolden |
| 04:09.24 | ezbeats | so is it just you up n about or are others around here? |
| 04:10.06 | Zandose | the others are all robots. sometimes they interact with others if something pipes their interest |
| 04:10.13 | ezbeats | i see |
| 04:10.27 | Zandose | asking a question works sometimes |
| 04:10.30 | ezbeats | well, whats the topic or whats going on? |
| 04:10.34 | ezbeats | ive got no questions |
| 04:10.49 | Zandose | ....the topic is mapping |
| 04:10.49 | ezbeats | i do have an alpha map im looking for someone to help test |
| 04:10.56 | ezbeats | what is your map? |
| 04:11.01 | ezbeats | i will test it with you |
| 04:11.19 | Zandose | im working on a spaceship fighting map right now. 3d movement |
| 04:11.24 | ezbeats | nice |
| 04:11.31 | ezbeats | like 1st/2nd person movement? |
| 04:11.33 | Zandose | having trobule with the custom interface |
| 04:11.34 | ezbeats | x/y/z? |
| 04:11.40 | Zandose | xyz |
| 04:11.40 | ezbeats | GUI interface? |
| 04:11.52 | Zandose | yes but a custom one made with triggers |
| 04:12.03 | ezbeats | i may be your answer |
| 04:12.08 | Zandose | oh? |
| 04:12.10 | ezbeats | whats your dillema? |
| 04:12.19 | Zandose | are you thinking dialogs? |
| 04:12.29 | ezbeats | yes, but can go beyond that scope |
| 04:12.34 | Zandose | because im so beyond that |
| 04:12.35 | ezbeats | dialogs are always the easy answer |
| 04:12.39 | ezbeats | yes |
| 04:12.42 | ezbeats | i understand |
| 04:12.58 | ezbeats | ive played with the UI mod enough |
| 04:12.59 | Zandose | i think it's just a bug somewhere but i can show you the test map if you want |
| 04:13.02 | ezbeats | and can manipulate it somewhat |
| 04:13.09 | ezbeats | yea |
| 04:13.15 | ezbeats | if i can help i will |
| 04:13.26 | Zandose | worth a try |
| 04:14.05 | Zandose | know any site i can use for a quick upload? |
| 04:14.05 | ezbeats | are you online atm? |
| 04:14.13 | Zandose | i only know sites for text and images |
| 04:14.15 | ezbeats | just publish it private and invite me |
| 04:14.29 | Zandose | your too smart for me... |
| 04:14.35 | ezbeats | publish it on bnet |
| 04:14.40 | Zandose | uh |
| 04:14.41 | ezbeats | and lets test online |
| 04:14.47 | Zandose | it aint multi-friendly yet |
| 04:14.51 | Zandose | its only a test mapo |
| 04:14.55 | Zandose | one player |
| 04:14.56 | ezbeats | hmmm |
| 04:15.01 | ezbeats | end goal one player? |
| 04:15.06 | ezbeats | or just in early stages? |
| 04:15.37 | Zandose | early stages. proof of concept |
| 04:15.43 | ezbeats | right on |
| 04:15.48 | ezbeats | you got skype? |
| 04:17.20 | ezbeats | b/c if im testing single player in that early of a stage, without talking as we go, its gonna be a clusterf*ck |
| 04:17.37 | ezbeats | mass confusiuon most likely without must reward |
| 04:17.49 | ezbeats | 8MUCH |
| 04:17.54 | ezbeats | bah |
| 04:17.58 | ezbeats | *much |
| 04:18.07 | Zandose | you have a sc2mapstar account? |
| 04:18.10 | ezbeats | yes |
| 04:18.12 | ezbeats | ezbeats |
| 04:18.18 | ezbeats | hence my name here |
| 04:18.40 | Zandose | please stand by.... |
| 04:19.10 | ezbeats | anyone else out there awake or is everyone minimzed / elsewhere? |
| 04:19.15 | Otixa_ | lol, just found out |
| 04:19.35 | Otixa_ | apparently blizz use the same technique as me for texture generation for WoW :D |
| 04:19.35 | Zandose | job complete |
| 04:19.41 | ezbeats | ? |
| 04:19.44 | ezbeats | sent it oh |
| 04:19.46 | ezbeats | i see |
| 04:21.00 | Zandose | the two thing dont work right |
| 04:21.14 | ezbeats | hey zandose |
| 04:21.18 | ezbeats | is gx3 necessary? |
| 04:21.23 | ezbeats | or outdated? |
| 04:21.26 | Zandose | yes. oops |
| 04:21.26 | ezbeats | i know thats an old one |
| 04:21.46 | Zandose | i use a local one for opening my maps fast. i switch to b.net one later on |
| 04:21.51 | Zandose | please stand by.... |
| 04:22.25 | ezbeats | yeah i used to use it for local actor things |
| 04:22.27 | ezbeats | not nemore |
| 04:23.08 | ezbeats | what do you mean otixa? |
| 04:23.14 | ezbeats | OTIXA |
| 04:23.39 | Otixa_ | dat pinging >:[ |
| 04:23.43 | Otixa_ | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5j46dwq0ln4/UjFL4VWIo6I/AAAAAAAAAMY/5c2m6eIDLkM/s1600/prez_coal.jpg |
| 04:23.44 | Otixa_ | this |
| 04:24.07 | Zandose | uploaded a another one with a b.net GAx |
| 04:25.11 | ezbeats | ok runniung test brb |
| 04:25.21 | Zandose | hope you understand it |
| 04:25.21 | ezbeats | anything i should be privy to? |
| 04:25.29 | ezbeats | or what are you looking for / asking? |
| 04:25.32 | Zandose | use mouse, click stuff |
| 04:25.43 | Zandose | only 2 things there |
| 04:26.27 | ezbeats | bad news |
| 04:26.31 | Zandose | oh? |
| 04:26.37 | Zandose | i expectly nothing else |
| 04:26.38 | ezbeats | nothing loaded ingame, just a small area, fogged out |
| 04:26.40 | ezbeats | and nothing else |
| 04:26.42 | ezbeats | nothing to do |
| 04:26.45 | Zandose | hmm |
| 04:26.47 | ezbeats | nothing to lcick on |
| 04:26.48 | ezbeats | nothing |
| 04:26.59 | ezbeats | hence why i like live chat while testing ---> skype |
| 04:27.01 | Zandose | no two glowy things in the center of the screen? |
| 04:27.06 | ezbeats | hared to get anyhting out of window chat |
| 04:27.08 | ezbeats | IMO |
| 04:27.09 | ezbeats | *hard |
| 04:27.15 | Zandose | i should really get this skype thing |
| 04:27.21 | ezbeats | no glowy things in screen |
| 04:27.22 | ezbeats | nothing |
| 04:27.25 | Zandose | ok |
| 04:27.30 | ezbeats | skype is a free small download |
| 04:27.31 | Zandose | i test map again soon |
| 04:27.34 | Zandose | i know |
| 04:27.41 | ezbeats | hang on |
| 04:27.45 | ezbeats | it may be a resolution thing |
| 04:27.52 | ezbeats | what are your graphic settings? |
| 04:27.57 | Zandose | max |
| 04:28.01 | ezbeats | ..... |
| 04:28.03 | ezbeats | hah |
| 04:28.18 | ezbeats | fun to make maps that way, hardly anyone that plays (and doesnt make IMO) plays that way |
| 04:28.22 | ezbeats | most are on low end |
| 04:28.30 | ezbeats | due to mass unit spamming in terribly made maps IMO |
| 04:28.36 | ezbeats | ill change to max and restart |
| 04:29.30 | ezbeats | no luck |
| 04:29.34 | Zandose | ok |
| 04:29.40 | ezbeats | some error dialog or something light blue thing in the middle |
| 04:29.51 | ezbeats | clicked it and it went to bottom middle, on border of bottom |
| 04:29.52 | Zandose | thats it i think |
| 04:29.56 | ezbeats | nothing else to interface with |
| 04:30.16 | Zandose | it souldnt be jumping. just moving left and right with click and drag |
| 04:31.04 | Zandose | FIXED! |
| 04:31.19 | ezbeats | oh is it? |
| 04:31.33 | Zandose | found one bug. now onto the next lol |
| 04:31.54 | ezbeats | i looked at your triggers |
| 04:31.57 | ezbeats | for a hot second |
| 04:32.32 | ezbeats | i dont get it |
| 04:32.40 | ezbeats | i see nothing edited in the ui editor |
| 04:32.45 | ezbeats | and nothing imported |
| 04:32.53 | Zandose | im not using the normal game ui |
| 04:32.59 | Zandose | doesnt do what i want to do |
| 04:33.07 | ezbeats | and nithing in the data editor |
| 04:33.13 | Zandose | **custom ui** |
| 04:33.19 | Zandose | or |
| 04:33.19 | ezbeats | i get that |
| 04:33.27 | ezbeats | hence why i looked in the ui editor |
| 04:33.28 | ezbeats | and imprt |
| 04:33.31 | ezbeats | *import |
| 04:33.33 | Zandose | custom ui made complete with triggers and tricks |
| 04:33.34 | ezbeats | i saw nothing |
| 04:33.37 | ezbeats | oh |
| 04:33.41 | ezbeats | yeah ok |
| 04:33.44 | ezbeats | were on same page then |
| 04:33.51 | ezbeats | thought you were in the UI module |
| 04:34.08 | Zandose | that thing is scary |
| 04:34.13 | Zandose | is the trigger |
| 04:34.16 | ezbeats | nah its not too bad |
| 04:34.27 | ezbeats | the UI editor is pretty basic when you break it down IMO |
| 04:34.37 | ezbeats | the heirarchy is difficult to grasp initially |
| 04:34.43 | Zandose | but everyhing in the normal UI i dont need |
| 04:34.44 | ezbeats | but after that its pretty str8 forward |
| 04:35.10 | ezbeats | yeah, but the UI editor is like changing from trigger to data editor |
| 04:35.24 | ezbeats | better for the task at hand if thats what youre trying to achieve |
| 04:35.25 | ezbeats | anyways |
| 04:35.31 | ezbeats | you send a new version? |
| 04:35.44 | Zandose | can the normal UI make moving thing like i did? |
| 04:35.58 | ezbeats | i never saw anything from your map to compare to |
| 04:36.10 | ezbeats | by moving what do you mean? |
| 04:36.11 | Zandose | done |
| 04:36.19 | ezbeats | moving a texture / .dds image? |
| 04:36.25 | ezbeats | like in x/y coordinates on screen? |
| 04:36.35 | Zandose | load map, click color stuff with mouse, hold and move. |
| 04:37.05 | Zandose | uh |
| 04:37.17 | Zandose | try map first? |
| 04:38.01 | ezbeats | yeah i can drag it and move it a bit |
| 04:38.06 | ezbeats | the Y blue thing drags |
| 04:38.10 | ezbeats | the X dragged initially |
| 04:38.18 | ezbeats | but after the first move it no longer moved |
| 04:38.24 | Zandose | hmm |
| 04:38.28 | ezbeats | i dont get what youre trying to test / achieve |
| 04:38.36 | ezbeats | trying to just drag and drop items? |
| 04:38.45 | ezbeats | or images or things? |
| 04:39.16 | ezbeats | are you trying to manipulate UI so players can set it up how they like it themselves? |
| 04:39.28 | Zandose | im trying to make the controls for the spaceship. right not im working on controls for up/down left/right |
| 04:40.59 | ezbeats | if you had to bse the concept or controls off a different game what game style are you talking about? |
| 04:41.01 | Zandose | yah your right. the selecting trigger is wrong/bugged |
| 04:41.02 | ezbeats | descent? |
| 04:41.13 | Zandose | no idea |
| 04:41.26 | Zandose | ill jsut keep working on it until i get it to work |
| 04:41.32 | ezbeats | ok |
| 04:41.35 | ezbeats | best of luck |
| 04:41.43 | Zandose | its all i ever have |
| 04:41.47 | ezbeats | feel free to send stuff to test online or whatever |
| 04:41.50 | ezbeats | to me |
| 04:41.51 | Zandose | k |
| 04:42.22 | ezbeats | anyone else here that will be willing to give me a little feedback at a map im working on? |
| 04:42.46 | ezbeats | skype is a plus or vent or w/e to actually converse progress would be fantastic |
| 04:43.29 | Zandose | in a min |
| 04:44.37 | Zandose | ok ill leave my stuff until tomorrow |
| 04:44.42 | Zandose | what you need me to do? |
| 04:45.29 | ezbeats | you open to help test mine? |
| 04:45.39 | Zandose | sure |
| 04:45.57 | ezbeats | truthfully if we have no voice to voice, not much will come of the test |
| 04:46.01 | ezbeats | its multiplayer |
| 04:46.07 | ezbeats | 3 players or more is best to test |
| 04:46.15 | Zandose | installing skype right now |
| 04:46.34 | ezbeats | cool, you got a mic? no camera / video is neccessary |
| 04:46.40 | Zandose | yah |
| 04:46.59 | ezbeats | right on, my name on skype is ezbeats.sc2 |
| 04:47.11 | ezbeats | otherwise let me know your ID and ill make the call |
| 04:52.13 | ezbeats | anyone else by chance out there and open to giving a quick test / feedback? |
| 04:52.32 | Zandose | you could anyways try "map night" |
| 04:53.19 | Zandose | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/57126-map-night-revived-eu-na/ |
| 04:53.25 | ezbeats | yeah |
| 04:53.32 | ezbeats | the guy that helpped with terrain has been doing that |
| 04:53.34 | ezbeats | joecab |
| 04:53.40 | ezbeats | hes a bad ass terrainer |
| 04:53.52 | Zandose | i sent you a question in a private chat |
| 04:53.56 | ezbeats | always blows weekly terrain exercises out |
| 04:54.02 | ezbeats | i dunno private chat |
| 04:54.07 | ezbeats | here or in bnet? |
| 04:54.07 | Zandose | ic |
| 04:54.12 | Zandose | here |
| 04:54.17 | ezbeats | oh i see it |
| 04:54.19 | ezbeats | 1 sec |
| 04:54.21 | Zandose | lol |
| 04:55.00 | ezbeats | seriously, regardless of my map |
| 04:55.04 | ezbeats | check out terrain forum |
| 04:55.07 | ezbeats | and weekly exercise |
| 04:55.15 | ezbeats | every week his stuff beats everyone |
| 04:55.24 | ezbeats | he owns that forum / exercise |
| 04:56.00 | ezbeats | whats your skype info? |
| 04:56.09 | Zandose | zandose |
| 05:12.08 | soulcarver | so |
| 05:12.31 | soulcarver | my map no longer shows up in the arcade after bnet made me create a character in sc2? |
| 05:55.36 | ezbeats | hey any1 there? |
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| 06:02.26 | ezbeats | hi G0A |
| 06:02.35 | ezbeats | and Dzuke911 |
| 06:06.55 | G0A | i |
| 06:06.57 | G0A | hi |
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| 06:10.56 | ezbeats | hi twodie |
| 06:11.05 | twodie | ezi hello |
| 06:13.19 | ezbeats | sc12die? |
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| 06:29.21 | Dzuke911 | hi all =) |
| 06:32.40 | twodie | hi |
| 06:38.04 | ezbeats | HI |
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| 07:10.38 | G0A | pff both Firefox and Opera goes shit. |
| 07:11.46 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 07:12.29 | JademusSreg | From the depthsss, I come. |
| 07:29.07 | Bommes | Swoop. |
| 07:29.21 | Bommes | Hearthstone maintenance window extended, who would have thought. |
| 07:32.17 | JademusSreg | Can Fireplacerock be played without spending monies? |
| 07:34.42 | Bommes | I payed $10 and was in the highest league before the wipe and had a lot of good arena runs. |
| 07:35.01 | JademusSreg | Informative, but doesn't answer the question. |
| 07:35.06 | Bommes | If you emphasize on playing arena and focus on making a good deck for 1 class instead of trying to play multiple classes it's pretty easy to play it without spending money |
| 07:35.46 | Bommes | so you probably won't have fun playing it 4 hours a day, but you will still have fun logging in every couple of days, doing 1-2 quests and going into the arena |
| 07:35.53 | Bommes | because that's completely independent from spending money |
| 07:36.34 | Bommes | since you build a deck every time you enter the arena, similar to how magic drafts work |
| 07:38.09 | JademusSreg | Alright, might be worth tasting. I'm skeptical it could even approximate my enjoyment of MtG, but it doesn't sound entirely repugnant. |
| 07:40.32 | Bommes | completely unrelated, do you know how Body Squibs work? |
| 07:40.48 | JademusSreg | Could you be more specific? |
| 07:43.30 | Bommes | So, yesterday I had a problem of random blood splats coming out of Death Ragdoll actors, even after I changed every texture on the model. I "fixed" it by changing a field in the Custom Death Effects related to where the Ragdoll gets created, which is called Body Squib. You can add Body Squibs there and assign a Model/Actor/Name. |
| 07:43.51 | Bommes | The already existing Body Squib had no Model or Actor attached to it though, it was just referenced by a name "BloodReduced", which I found no where else. |
| 07:44.16 | JademusSreg | launches the editor. |
| 07:44.51 | Bommes | So I still don't know how it works, all I know is that I made the random blood splats coming out of the ragdoll disappear by adding a model in addition to the name reference to the body squib thing... |
| 07:46.47 | Bommes | also, by changing the referenced name "BloodReduced" or deleting the whole bodysquib the splats somehow still occured, which confused me the most. |
| 07:51.04 | JademusSreg | I see. The UnitDeathRagdollBloodPrevent Model actor is a child of UnitDeathRagdoll; it adds the event macro PhysicsImpactBloodPrevent. PhysicsImpactBloodPrevent contains the actor events like <On Terms="PhysicsImpactTerrainValidate.*.PhysicsImpactBlahBluh" Send="PhysicsImpactTerrainReject"/> which rejects the interaction. |
| 07:55.00 | Bommes | ah, that might be it :) |
| 07:55.22 | Bommes | trying it out for a minute |
| 07:58.45 | JademusSreg | If you want more information about BodySquibs not related to your issue, let me know and I can research it. |
| 08:01.29 | Bommes | The blood prevent ragdoll actor / corresponding event macro should only fire on terrain impacts as far as I understand it though, right? |
| 08:02.28 | JademusSreg | Yes; doesn't address interactions non-terrain impacts. |
| 08:02.56 | Bommes | I'm not really sure that's the case for the BodySquibs, if I add a solid Model (for example an Archon) as the BodySquib it gets pretty apparent how they get created on the death model, which is not on terrain impact. |
| 08:03.32 | Bommes | Also, more importantly, using the Blood Prevent actor as the Death Ragdoll actor didn't make them disappear either as far as I can tell. |
| 08:03.53 | Bommes | I'm not 100% sure I did it correctly though |
| 08:04.28 | JademusSreg | No worries; I actually always assume people do shit incorrectly (myself included). |
| 08:05.42 | A1win | are you sure you assume correctly |
| 08:06.24 | JademusSreg | Nope, thus it is self-demonstrating and self-validating. |
| 08:06.50 | Bommes | LOL I'm just experimenting with using different models as the BodySquibs, and apparently they even influence the physics on how ragdolls fly around and how gravity effects them and stuff. |
| 08:07.17 | Bommes | I used the Siege Tank model and now the Hydralisk Ragdolls are just flying around in curves and gravity doesn't seem to effect them quite right. |
| 08:07.19 | Bommes | what the fuck |
| 08:07.29 | A1win | :x |
| 08:07.41 | JademusSreg | Awesome. |
| 08:07.49 | JademusSreg | Make a gif of it. |
| 08:07.52 | JademusSreg | Or video. |
| 08:07.58 | Bommes | yeah, one minute |
| 08:08.07 | Bommes | or 2! |
| 08:08.41 | Bommes | I guess video is better for fullscreen view |
| 08:09.10 | A1win | fullscreen gif doesn't sound like a very good idea |
| 08:10.24 | JademusSreg | Yeah, wanted to cover the options depending on the scale. |
| 08:12.07 | Bommes | needs a couple of minutes to encode and upload |
| 08:12.23 | Bommes | it's just 11 seconds though so should be fast |
| 08:16.01 | JademusSreg | That's preferable to watching a movie. =D |
| 08:17.20 | Bommes | would already be up if my browser wouldn't just randomly slow down and almost crash for 3 minutes |
| 08:17.54 | Bommes | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ_DZQ1K1rA&feature=youtu.be |
| 08:18.05 | JademusSreg | Wonder how people have all of these computer issues. |
| 08:18.44 | Bommes | too much cluttery processes running |
| 08:18.48 | Bommes | *many |
| 08:18.56 | JademusSreg | That is fucking adorable. |
| 08:19.14 | Bommes | right? lol |
| 08:19.14 | JademusSreg | Bom, which OS are you running? |
| 08:19.19 | Bommes | win 7 |
| 08:20.36 | JademusSreg | Good. I strongly advise you get the following applications. |
| 08:21.28 | JademusSreg | http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb842062 |
| 08:21.47 | JademusSreg | Or specifically ProcessExplorer and Autoruns. |
| 08:22.15 | JademusSreg | Doesn't hurt to have all the utilities, but those two in particular are strongly advised. |
| 08:22.55 | Bommes | oh yeah, that looks great |
| 08:22.58 | Bommes | downloading it right now |
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| 08:43.16 | JademusSreg | Oh, I should mention that as these are supahpowrzful utilities, improper use of them can fuck up your system, so try not to, for instance, disable/kill critical windows services/processes. |
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| 08:47.14 | Bommes | understood :D |
| 08:47.36 | Bommes | had some adobe/java shit in the autorun and processes though which needed to be killed |
| 08:47.48 | Bommes | and a couple of other things, so definitely very useful |
| 08:48.05 | Bommes | I'm feeling like its running faster already! |
| 08:58.56 | Zolden | twodie it's in progress, and I'd like your opinion, what would you change http://i.snag.gy/kobPh.jpg |
| 08:59.24 | JademusSreg | That's pretty fucking sexy, Zol. |
| 08:59.33 | twodie | feels some what unstable |
| 08:59.43 | twodie | tower on wheels |
| 09:00.24 | JademusSreg | I have only two final comments. |
| 09:01.19 | twodie | maybe on the sides I would add more wheels to be more round |
| 09:01.21 | JademusSreg | The purple prongs are excessively purple; blend with the gun-metal black. |
| 09:02.43 | Zolden | alright |
| 09:02.44 | JademusSreg | Also, if you want extra color, I'd suggest taking inspiration from the flame turret, making the perforated plates a bit yellow. |
| 09:02.48 | JademusSreg | Know what I mean? |
| 09:03.08 | Zolden | i'll check it |
| 09:03.40 | JademusSreg | http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100817140850/starcraft/images/d/d8/PerditionTurret_SC2_Rend1.jpg |
| 09:03.59 | JademusSreg | Notice the slightly yellowed, brass look? |
| 09:04.41 | Zolden | yea |
| 09:07.32 | JademusSreg | That would fit for the perforated plates, something like that, communicates that it's a different material from the rest of the tank, probably something cheaper one changes out regularly as part of a maintenance routine. |
| 09:09.42 | Bommes | Jade, striving for depth in video games. Every texture has 2 pages of lore behind it. |
| 09:11.32 | Bommes | I still don't get at all why using the Siege Tank model as a BodySquib has the effect it has :O |
| 09:11.41 | Bommes | so crazy |
| 09:13.59 | JademusSreg | I'm guessing it's a physics force/collision interaction between the conjoined ragdoll models, generating a force that exceeds their combined mass. |
| 09:14.31 | JademusSreg | Rather like getting objects to clip in an FPS with physics to launch shit. |
| 09:14.36 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 09:39.52 | Serashin | Hi ~ |
| 09:40.32 | JademusSreg | Zarglefarg. Garf dezark garg. |
| 09:40.43 | Bommes | hello |
| 09:44.51 | Serashin | Today any interested Soul here in getting Co-Def status for my map who has clue of triggers ? ;) ( for my 2v2 RTS project ) |
| 09:47.39 | JademusSreg | I'd advise either learn triggers or recruit from the recruitment subforum on mapster. |
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| 10:02.33 | Zolden | twodie JademusSreg http://i.snag.gy/VY1LF.jpg |
| 10:02.48 | Zolden | your advices were implemented |
| 10:03.11 | Zolden | any more notes? |
| 10:03.12 | twodie | yeah some better |
| 10:04.21 | twodie | why guns are blue? |
| 10:04.48 | Zolden | to make it a bit more visible and not blend with the rest |
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| 10:05.25 | twodie | well it really is Eye hurting colors that doesnt blend in nicely |
| 10:05.50 | JademusSreg | Twod question is valid; "why" in the sense of the purpose from an in-context perspective. |
| 10:05.51 | Zolden | ok, i'll reduce them |
| 10:06.21 | JademusSreg | If you had a character in the game explaining it, what would it say? |
| 10:06.24 | Stewox | jademus please, what do i need to do with the paths in texture splat template |
| 10:07.03 | JademusSreg | Stew, you'd change the default texture path to a valid texture path. |
| 10:07.20 | Stewox | where do i find a valid texture path |
| 10:07.29 | Zolden | that it's another mech unit that should fire alot and look scary abd badass |
| 10:07.44 | Zolden | it will be high tier of mech line |
| 10:07.49 | JademusSreg | Stew, what strings does the hexeditor report are in the file? |
| 10:08.22 | Zolden | Btw, a question: there will be this robotron and also thor. One of them should be upgraded version of another one. Like in squad td, each tower can be once upgraded. But who look stronger, this machine or thor? |
| 10:08.23 | Stewox | i have no idea, the file you sent me you should know what's inside right ? |
| 10:08.32 | twodie | reduce? maybe use the already used colors for them? not make this blue color just not going with the whole model |
| 10:09.05 | twodie | Zolden did you looked to your own suggestion Dota 2 link with the texturing and coloring? |
| 10:09.17 | JademusSreg | Zol, while I enjoy your facetious response, it's not constructive. If some marine asks the tank operator "Why the fuck is that blue?" the operator would explain something about the material. |
| 10:10.02 | JademusSreg | Stew, I ask you to make sure you're actually using the hexeditor to change the path strings; if you are, you'd see the path strings and would be able to tell me. |
| 10:10.45 | Stewox | didn't i already told you that |
| 10:11.14 | JademusSreg | didn't i already told you that the first string path is the source path and is irrelevant? Yes. |
| 10:11.15 | Stewox | can we please get to the point ... |
| 10:11.44 | Stewox | what i need to do to find texture path, i don't know where they are in MPQ |
| 10:12.01 | Stewox | i would be searching them all instead |
| 10:12.22 | Zolden | twodie not yet |
| 10:12.32 | twodie | Zolden do it now then |
| 10:12.38 | JademusSreg | Well, you'll probably want to modify the textures, since one can't simply use a terrain texture as is. |
| 10:12.47 | Stewox | what can i modify if i don't know what to modify with |
| 10:13.13 | Stewox | what do you think i was going to use ? |
| 10:13.18 | Stewox | ofcourse i want the terrain texture |
| 10:13.31 | Stewox | i want them all, not just 8 |
| 10:13.58 | Stewox | or my map is going to look horrible with only Korhal textures |
| 10:14.52 | Stewox | one part of the map is kind of toxic broken city, the other is gritty terran, some of it is forrest, mountains and some of it is protoss |
| 10:15.16 | Stewox | so it's impossible to make it look good with 8 textures |
| 10:15.39 | JademusSreg | Nevermind, Stew. I'm not gonna provide some gamefaqs walkthrough or tutorial. Even if you were to follow my advice and use the template splat properly, it wouldn't be like terrain texture painting anyway, because they are splat models, so fuck it. |
| 10:15.42 | Stewox | so I can use the terrain textures but i need to do something |
| 10:16.05 | Zolden | JademusSreg "it's blue because metal surface tints in blue a bit when it's affected by high temperatures and slight" would this work? |
| 10:16.37 | Stewox | i have no idea what are you talking about so if you dont' tell me what the hell im suppose to do why the heck are you even telling me half of the story, might aswell not tell it at all, i've found a tutorial, it doesn't cover terrain textures so I have no idea what to do |
| 10:16.39 | JademusSreg | Zol, maybe if it were actually, visibly glowing. |
| 10:16.59 | Stewox | i never heard about TextureSPlats before so i don't have any idea what i need to do at all |
| 10:17.17 | Stewox | models ? |
| 10:17.23 | Stewox | bullshit |
| 10:17.33 | Stewox | why are you telling me this if it's not for terrain |
| 10:17.39 | Stewox | i menitoned that at the begiining |
| 10:17.43 | Stewox | this editor sucks |
| 10:18.05 | A1win | why so much hate |
| 10:18.11 | Stewox | long story |
| 10:18.18 | Stewox | i never liked this editor from the get go |
| 10:18.28 | Stewox | i pretended like i liked it |
| 10:18.31 | Stewox | manners |
| 10:19.07 | Zolden | A1win Stewox is on fire again? |
| 10:19.27 | A1win | as usual |
| 10:20.12 | Stewox | unit specific motion drivers probably won't be in until LotV, so i lost my interest when they mellowed out |
| 10:20.26 | Stewox | but the blizzard developer did get my message on the movers |
| 10:20.32 | Stewox | so i hope it's on their list somewhere |
| 10:21.00 | Stewox | if it gets in, you'll have to thank me, all of you |
| 10:21.18 | A1win | what if we don't o: |
| 10:21.44 | Stewox | there was no other people asking blizzard about unit specific movers, whith the advanced abilities that a missile mover can have |
| 10:21.52 | Stewox | im just saying |
| 10:22.14 | Stewox | who was behind the initiative, it was right here on sc2mapster i spoken with the developer |
| 10:23.15 | JademusSreg | Unit specific motion drivers? What is that even? |
| 10:23.19 | Stewox | because, you can't really do all kinds of stuff, you can't make a jet airplaine, you cant make it landings and takeofs, all air units are HOVER, ... |
| 10:23.41 | Stewox | see, the top guy around here doesn't know about that, well you know, but the term is not descriptive |
| 10:23.43 | Stewox | i shall explain |
| 10:24.05 | Stewox | the motion driver of units is very basic |
| 10:24.15 | Stewox | for air units, it's only hover |
| 10:24.27 | Stewox | so you can't make a Raptor Jet out of it |
| 10:24.30 | Stewox | raptors don't hover |
| 10:25.04 | Stewox | and using a misslile mover on a unit has so far been very hard or complicated to do but also it's a hack, it doesn't really work right imo |
| 10:25.17 | Stewox | and you can make a unit specific mover |
| 10:25.22 | Stewox | all units have the same mover |
| 10:25.35 | JademusSreg | I assure you, I am familiar the Movers, and it can certainly accomplish what you suggest if used correctly. |
| 10:25.42 | Stewox | Ground Mover, Air Mover ... etc |
| 10:26.08 | Stewox | in other games, each unit kind had it's own mover specifically with settings for their behavior |
| 10:26.20 | Stewox | like in Generals Zero Hour |
| 10:27.59 | Stewox | and i've brought up GenZH and shown him the pastebin, the bliz developer saved the link and i told him Dustin Bowder will know what im talking about since dustin designed General ZH and knows the code |
| 10:28.58 | JademusSreg | Ever made a mover to make a unit leap? |
| 10:29.45 | Stewox | it takes a lot of time i assume and it's complicated because misslie mover has some quite advanded mathematics and it's not so much about that |
| 10:30.03 | Stewox | it's about that I don't really understand what the terms mean |
| 10:30.33 | Stewox | so blizzard may think of making some tutorial or better tooltips, because im really not interested to spend hours figuring out what their terminology is |
| 10:30.51 | JademusSreg | So you say it can't be done having not even attempted to accomplish it? Got it. |
| 10:31.05 | A1win | the job of blizzard entertainment is to serve Stewox |
| 10:31.32 | Stewox | if you go to the unit movers, you can't really do much, there no options there, just basic acceleration and speed (which is linked in code to the unit, so the actual mover has some other details but pretty much nothing useful) |
| 10:32.10 | Stewox | i think i've seen it in some arcade game Starships or what |
| 10:32.14 | Stewox | controllable missile |
| 10:32.19 | Stewox | but the missle was hovering |
| 10:32.26 | Stewox | so it wasn't a missile mover |
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| 10:33.12 | Stewox | you can do it with missile mover, because the motion driver cannot be free roam |
| 10:33.29 | Stewox | it's either parabola, ballistic, guidance (follows a target) ... |
| 10:34.22 | JademusSreg | Simply use effect to mediate the position references, easy. |
| 10:35.01 | Stewox | anyways it could be done if you have another instantly teleporting unit that is cloaked and invurnable and untragetable that you would control without affecting the gameplay and maybe the missle-unit would follow the, with a big fuel number so the missle doesn't go dead |
| 10:35.20 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 10:35.43 | Stewox | if the airplane was some kind of auto-gunship it would fire by it self |
| 10:35.51 | A1win | with any luck, my package will arrive tomorrow 8o ordered a nexus 7 with LTE from germany, there are only wi-fi models available in Finland for now |
| 10:35.59 | JademusSreg | Suboptimal approach devised with insufficient knowledge. |
| 10:36.06 | JademusSreg | A1, yay. |
| 10:36.28 | Stewox | i don't use smartphones :p |
| 10:37.28 | Stewox | i probably never will tuch the dead skin of slaves on them ... |
| 10:38.27 | Bommes | then you shouldn't own a pc or notebook either |
| 10:38.37 | Bommes | well, or at least shouldn't touch it I guess |
| 10:38.58 | Stewox | yeah |
| 10:39.31 | Stewox | mostly, it's about not spending on something i don't really need |
| 10:39.35 | Stewox | imagine everyone did this |
| 10:39.43 | Stewox | capitalism would be no more |
| 10:39.45 | Dzuke911 | Hi, how to make actor tint color visible only to owner of unit, like hallucinations? |
| 10:40.05 | JademusSreg | Dzu, did you check the hallucination related actors? |
| 10:40.15 | Stewox | dzuke911, does you nickname indicate you are 9/11 truther ? |
| 10:40.21 | Bommes | I think there is an actor message called Set Tint Color (Local) that does exactly that |
| 10:40.30 | Dzuke911 | nop[e |
| 10:40.36 | Bommes | I could be wrong though, never used it |
| 10:40.49 | Stewox | well that what it means, so if you keep using it, you'll get that guestion haha :p |
| 10:40.54 | Stewox | thanks btw! |
| 10:40.58 | Dzuke911 | thx, ill try tint color local |
| 10:41.27 | A1win | but I really need to access the internet when I'm not at home, I almost can't breathe without it! |
| 10:42.01 | Stewox | so you can use twattle to post everyday babble about your life that nobody cares about ? |
| 10:42.23 | A1win | you seem to care o: |
| 10:42.33 | Stewox | hah gotcha |
| 10:43.09 | Stewox | the only thing i would want a smartphone is the camera |
| 10:43.14 | Stewox | but that's getting too bad |
| 10:44.00 | A1win | it's not a phone anyway, it's a tablet computer |
| 10:44.17 | Stewox | with all the police state going on, i need something hidden and better, 60FPS or above, 1080p minimum, as small as possible and undetectable |
| 10:44.55 | Stewox | my dream is if my life goes all fine and i can afford a hobby, it would be advanced cameras |
| 10:45.16 | Stewox | because there is one thing I hate the most on youtube, stupid smartphone noobs with shaky crappy camera quality |
| 10:45.17 | JademusSreg | class Pot { public void callKettle () { Kettle kettle = new Kettle(); kettle.setColor(Color.black); } } |
| 10:47.45 | Stewox | doesn't really matter a1win, everything mobile is on the blacklist |
| 10:47.57 | Stewox | everything with a battery |
| 10:48.08 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 10:48.17 | A1win | oh no I forgot it has a battery, and batteries are evil |
| 10:48.46 | Stewox | i didn't liked some of the stargate atlantis |
| 10:49.00 | Stewox | ofcourse it was a bit lower quality than sg1 but it got better |
| 10:49.08 | Stewox | however still nothing close |
| 10:49.52 | Stewox | McKay was always running around with portable tablet or a laptop, making huge compture hack deprogram defuse achivements in a cheesy smartphoneish way |
| 10:49.58 | Stewox | i really hated that kind of approach |
| 10:50.17 | Stewox | a massive problem, here comes mckay with a laptop, all fixed we go home saved another day, |
| 10:50.34 | Stewox | not interesting, too easy and boring to watch |
| 10:52.03 | Stewox | i rather buy some mints with that toilet paper |
| 11:11.42 | Zolden | A1win psychologists tortured teens with internet and video games abscence, and they felt physically bad, paniced |
| 11:11.56 | Zolden | only one autist had fun |
| 11:12.01 | A1win | :x |
| 11:12.31 | A1win | I don't really feel bad without internet as long as I have something else to do... like board games :P |
| 11:12.52 | A1win | and if I don't have anything I usually just start designing something in my head so it's fine anyway |
| 11:13.31 | Zolden | yea, our brains are addicted to information, when there is no available, it starts generating some to sonsume |
| 11:14.09 | Stewox | sounds like romney and nancy pelosi |
| 11:14.11 | Stewox | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOlhy6Euy0I |
| 11:15.00 | Zolden | http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/snova_17/42505524/359715/359715_original.gif |
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| 11:22.44 | Stewox | that's just for you a1win how fitting http://youtu.be/CjQFddfkx6w?t=1m33s |
| 11:24.26 | A1win | I don't get it :x |
| 11:29.51 | twodie | that why we have Stewox around! |
| 11:34.48 | Stewox | Life Invader a1win |
| 11:35.04 | Stewox | how can't you get it |
| 11:35.18 | Stewox | it's a spoof on smartphones, facebook and NSA snooping |
| 11:35.46 | A1win | and..? |
| 11:35.47 | Stewox | and also, it's a masturbator as you can notice if you look close enough |
| 11:36.22 | Stewox | no it's just GTA5 showing you the reality of this worls in a funny "sarcastic" kind of way |
| 11:36.25 | Stewox | but it's double sarasm |
| 11:36.39 | Stewox | so if the viewer thinks it's just a joke, it is a joke on him |
| 11:36.50 | Stewox | double-sarcasm* |
| 11:36.59 | A1win | I mean why should I care |
| 11:37.17 | Stewox | well do you play GTA5 at all , some ppl mentioned around here yesterday |
| 11:37.25 | A1win | no |
| 11:37.30 | A1win | I don't own a console |
| 11:37.58 | Stewox | we'll hopefully i'll be out soon on PC |
| 11:38.10 | Stewox | but whatever, you may think I'm crazy |
| 11:38.26 | Stewox | but GTA is a giant expose of truth |
| 11:38.32 | Stewox | there is no such game like it |
| 11:38.49 | Stewox | radio commercials are the most revealing |
| 11:38.58 | twodie | Zombies!!!! http://snag.gy/BeHUb.jpg |
| 11:39.00 | Stewox | you have it all on YT |
| 11:39.20 | twodie | back to warcraft! |
| 11:40.11 | A1win | Stewox, you're talking *at* us again, no one's shown any interest in that subject |
| 11:40.35 | Lajjla | A1win, |
| 11:40.39 | Lajjla | everyone always thinks I'm annoying |
| 11:40.43 | Lajjla | you too? =* |
| 11:40.56 | A1win | most of the time yeah ;p |
| 11:43.29 | Lajjla | A1win, why? =( |
| 11:43.35 | Lajjla | Oh wait, you're not ahl. |
| 11:43.42 | A1win | :x |
| 11:43.59 | Lajjla | Sä olet se suomalainen, porosyöjä, viinajuoja. |
| 11:44.27 | Zolden | twodie omg, what happened to africa and south america? ateroid raped earth? |
| 11:44.28 | Lajjla | Juu, nyt taas mä tiedän |
| 11:44.46 | Zolden | where's ahl btw? |
| 11:44.53 | Lajjla | A1win, ANNA MULLE KASVOSI |
| 11:45.07 | twodie | Zolden needed to make those part of the maps more interesting and complicated |
| 11:48.33 | Lajjla | A1win, onko tää miksi sä ajattelet että olen ärsyttävä? |
| 11:49.01 | Lajjla | Että kerron sulle antaa mulle kasvosi |
| 11:50.22 | Stewox | Jaffa kree shalak, shol'va obama! |
| 11:50.38 | Stewox | Jaffa kree Obamacare |
| 11:51.35 | Stewox | indeed |
| 11:51.42 | JademusSreg | wonders why someone who is ostensibly in Slovenia gives a fuck about US political figures. |
| 11:53.30 | Zolden | who else, but Stewox! ta-da ta-da-da! |
| 11:53.47 | JademusSreg | Haha |
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| 11:54.03 | Otixa_ | captain Stewox |
| 11:54.06 | Otixa_ | he's our hero |
| 11:54.14 | Otixa_ | gonna take conspiracies down to zero |
| 11:54.41 | Otixa_ | by the power of carebear |
| 11:54.59 | Otixa_ | drools over his keyboard and goes to pass out |
| 11:55.07 | JademusSreg | Nyet. |
| 11:55.25 | Stewox | hehe, my neighbourhood must be used to always being tuned in at 18.00 o clock for "From the central texas command center, in Austin, Alex Jones on the GCN Raaaaadioooo Network" tam tam tam dam dam dam .... (darth vader intro) |
| 11:56.00 | JademusSreg | That's unfortunate for your brain. =( |
| 11:56.19 | Fate_ | Obama shol'va XD |
| 11:56.32 | Lajjla | A1win, mä olen sori, mä en halua olla ärsyttävä. |
| 11:56.51 | Otixa_ | Lajjla, shudup with the moonspeak ;p |
| 11:56.52 | Lajjla | kaikkien mielistä mä olen ärsyttävä, en halua olla |
| 11:57.04 | Lajjla | Otixa_, even you think I'm annoying... |
| 11:57.15 | Otixa_ | I think everyone is annoying ;p |
| 11:57.22 | Stewox | Fate_ there's more .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v01Cszk5Ta8 |
| 11:57.45 | Stewox | oliver stone ... his way of saying shol'va |
| 11:58.01 | Otixa_ | Stewox is leading the charts |
| 11:58.27 | JademusSreg | Laj, you're not all that annoying. |
| 11:58.39 | Lajjla | JademusSreg, well, everyone thinks so. =( |
| 11:58.39 | Otixa_ | He's like that stereotypical nerd that comes up to you and spews random facts |
| 11:58.49 | Lajjla | Even my friends have mixed feelings about me at best |
| 11:58.51 | Otixa_ | And you're like... "Uhh, ok. I don't care" |
| 11:59.16 | A1win | "facts" |
| 11:59.38 | Otixa_ | Well, yeah, he's a more severe case |
| 11:59.47 | JademusSreg | Laj is rather more like a playfully antagonistic extraterrestrial intelligence. |
| 12:00.11 | Otixa_ | JademusSreg, i thought that's me ;p |
| 12:00.28 | Lajjla | A1win, ehkä sä voisit opittaa mut olemaks ei ärsyttävä enää? |
| 12:00.31 | Otixa_ | Altho, I'm kinda bitter nowadays ;p |
| 12:00.37 | A1win | Otixa_, you're just playfully antagonistic extraterrestrial |
| 12:00.48 | Otixa_ | >:| |
| 12:01.01 | Otixa_ | confiscates all of A1win's polygons |
| 12:01.12 | Otixa_ | That'll teach ya |
| 12:01.15 | Stewox | Don't they look lovely :) http://i.imgur.com/K8QbWNK.jpg |
| 12:01.57 | Otixa_ | Stewox, do you want to get the boot again? >:| |
| 12:01.57 | JademusSreg | Naw, Otixa, you're a curmudgeonly personality too tired to invest proper effort into routine trolling, among other activities. =D |
| 12:01.59 | A1win | I feel tired... the government must have put something in my drinks |
| 12:02.35 | Otixa_ | ;p |
| 12:03.19 | Otixa_ | Besides, I can troll just fine |
| 12:03.25 | A1win | I should take a break from energy drinks again I think |
| 12:03.44 | Otixa_ | You're all nub |
| 12:03.48 | Otixa_ | And smelly |
| 12:03.50 | Otixa_ | There. |
| 12:03.57 | Otixa_ | yawns |
| 12:04.15 | A1win | *clap* *clap* |
| 12:04.48 | Otixa_ | Overworked Otixa_ is overworked :/ |
| 12:06.25 | Otixa_ | oh yea |
| 12:06.50 | Otixa_ | turns out blizzard use the same technique as me for their environment textures for WoW |
| 12:06.53 | Otixa_ | Zolden, http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5j46dwq0ln4/UjFL4VWIo6I/AAAAAAAAAMY/5c2m6eIDLkM/s1600/prez_coal.jpg |
| 12:07.03 | Otixa_ | here's a tutorial describing the technique ;p |
| 12:19.31 | Zolden | i'll try it when need to texture something |
| 12:24.22 | twodie | Otixa_ the pageof link? |
| 12:24.28 | twodie | of iamge |
| 12:38.18 | Bommes | What's the most elegant way to work with angles? Let's say I have 3 points where one point has an angle to each of the points. Now I want to compare the angles in some way (for example if angle2 is "inside" angle1 +/-15 or outside). |
| 12:38.40 | Bommes | What's the most elegant way to deal with the cases that overlap at 360°/0° ? |
| 12:41.45 | Bommes | nevermind, I think I have a solid method |
| 12:41.48 | A1win | normalize(angle) { angle = angle % 360; angle < 0 ? angle += 360; return angle; } |
| 12:47.48 | Dustin | Morning gents |
| 12:49.07 | Bommes | A1, I thought about how I can get a more elegant way since I have to do that a lot :D hello Dustin |
| 12:49.44 | A1win | what's that? |
| 12:49.59 | A1win | (I also use that function in my map so it might be relevant) |
| 12:52.22 | Bommes | x = Abs((angle1-angle2)) and then compare that directly to 360-threshold and 0+threshold |
| 12:52.57 | A1win | what if the angles are greater than 360 or less than -360 |
| 12:53.35 | A1win | (they might never actually be, but it isn't an elegant solution if it can fail with some input) ;x |
| 12:53.36 | Bommes | can the angle between points function return values >360? |
| 12:54.25 | A1win | like what if you use it with parameter (angle1+angle2) where angle1 and angle2 are some angle values |
| 12:54.40 | Zolden | Tomura have you ever managed to create a look at behavior named other than "head" |
| 12:55.08 | Tomura | chest |
| 12:55.28 | Zolden | what other nemas are allowed? |
| 12:55.32 | Tomura | I don't know if anything else workds |
| 12:55.35 | Tomura | *works |
| 12:55.37 | Zolden | random names semms to not work |
| 12:55.47 | Zolden | but it's not hte main problem |
| 12:55.57 | Zolden | haven't you noticed, that the head one doesn't have 100% weight even with 100% weight set in |
| 12:56.17 | Zolden | it's rather ok within 30' |
| 12:56.21 | Bommes | A1win: Never said it's failproof, if I want it to be I can still %360 the angles |
| 12:56.30 | Zolden | but starts lying if the angle more than 30' |
| 12:56.43 | Bommes | but I'm not using it that way and it doesn't have to be 100% failproof in the way I use it, so I think it should be fine |
| 12:58.06 | Tomura | maybe you set some limits for the angle? |
| 12:58.15 | Zolden | Tomura also, do you know a way to make it be relative to turret position, instead of body? now if tank faces backwards, turret faces target, than pitch inverted |
| 12:58.35 | Zolden | Tomura I set unlimited |
| 12:59.07 | Zolden | tried different stuff, and it feels like it's name's fault |
| 12:59.51 | Tomura | hmmm I don't know much about it. The only thing I tried was to make one for the head and one for the chest bones for the spectre |
| 13:00.00 | Tomura | never touched it after that |
| 13:00.32 | Zolden | i see |
| 13:00.42 | Zolden | you use pitch, and it works fine |
| 13:00.54 | Zolden | but for the tank it's a bit problematic |
| 13:01.45 | A1win | Bommes, with abs() you can't know the direction of the angle, only its size |
| 13:03.20 | Bommes | that's what I want to know though, I'm just using it for a condition |
| 13:04.57 | Bommes | which you would still have to do if you normalized them btw |
| 13:06.56 | A1win | yeah just saying it's more prone to errors |
| 13:07.15 | Bommes | yeah it definitely is, but for my application it's more about speed and less about being 100% failproof |
| 13:07.41 | Bommes | so as long as it works in 99% of cases and doesn't break when I just use the angle between points function and don't do math with the angles themselves I'm fine :) |
| 13:07.52 | A1win | ;p |
| 13:08.21 | A1win | (and remember that you have such a requirement for the function when you use it later) |
| 13:09.12 | A1win | everything always works correctly if used correctly ;> |
| 13:10.38 | A1win | the more stuff you have that can be used incorrectly, the more likely it is that something breaks at some point |
| 13:11.27 | A1win | (I do that all the time too, just saying :P) |
| 13:11.51 | A1win | don't do as I do, do as I say |
| 13:14.42 | JademusSreg | Ah yes, recalls the engineering principle about designing components so they can't be used improperly. |
| 13:19.06 | Bommes | ok, I set the function to hidden so no one will ever find it and it can't be misused. |
| 13:19.11 | Bommes | Solved. |
| 13:19.15 | A1win | haha |
| 13:19.43 | A1win | now you need to remake it if you need it in the future :P |
| 13:19.44 | JademusSreg | hand-hugs face. |
| 13:20.10 | Dustin | Morning jade |
| 13:20.17 | JademusSreg | Hallo Dustin. |
| 13:21.08 | Bommes | That's the point, I won't need it because it does everything I need for this application |
| 13:21.25 | Bommes | if I need something else I'll just make it another time fitting for what I need then |
| 13:21.43 | JademusSreg | Dear void. |
| 13:24.09 | Zolden | Tomura looks like this is the list of names http://i.snag.gy/sqkfi.jpg |
| 13:24.40 | JademusSreg | reminds self to test if shaders in a map or mod are loaded by the game. |
| 13:25.58 | Zolden | JademusSreg I think graphical settings change shaders |
| 13:27.38 | twodie | Anyone here can join to US server to let me play alone Eras Zombies Invasion, lost inspiration... :/ |
| 13:28.04 | Fate_ | XD |
| 13:29.14 | Serashin | Does anyone know why when i spawn streets , afterwards increase height in editor and make it at the path of streets its looks in editor streets adjust to height . and ingame the height overrides the street visual ? |
| 13:29.33 | JademusSreg | Zol, to see what I mean, open Console, browse command, search filter Shaders/ |
| 13:30.13 | twodie | Oh jade mb you know how using console and browse comand to filter file types? |
| 13:30.46 | JademusSreg | Sera, road hardtiles can't have nodes below the terrain mesh. |
| 13:31.03 | JademusSreg | Twod, clarify? |
| 13:31.53 | twodie | well when using Browse command it opens it with all the files, how to make view only one type of files like Only m3, Only dds. |
| 13:32.09 | JademusSreg | Filter .m3 or .dds |
| 13:32.30 | JademusSreg | It's a -very- primitive search filter. |
| 13:33.20 | twodie | hammm, fitler? |
| 13:33.46 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 13:34.06 | twodie | so in search field enter .m3? |
| 13:34.09 | twodie | well thats lame |
| 13:34.12 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 13:34.36 | twodie | how then it makes it work when choosing the dds or m3 file in data editor |
| 13:34.46 | JademusSreg | Not like they don't have PCRE in the system, but it's only used for shit like script and xml. |
| 13:34.56 | Zolden | Tomura btw, pitch also lies (not 100% weight) |
| 13:35.43 | Serashin | Well , is there way when following as i understood doesnt work . spawn streets > increase height > in editor it looks it works , but doesnt ingame . do following increase terrain then street on it ? . i try to prevent making every street detail work again because thats allot on my map . doesnt it simply override it when i short click at the paths of streets change their path short and then it overrides the terrain heigh blockin |
| 13:35.48 | G0A | hmmmmm http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/11160073/call-to-action-october-2-balance-testing-10-2-2013 |
| 13:36.21 | Serashin | out of a PoV from a guy aka me who has 13.000 ladder games played this balance testing doesnt look appealing |
| 13:36.52 | Serashin | they try to make a broken game work out by minor changes , wich wont work in the grand sheme of things |
| 13:37.12 | Dustin | It's broken? |
| 13:37.50 | A1win | Serashin, it's the best they can do, they can't just remake the entire game :> |
| 13:37.59 | A1win | (well, they can, but not as quickly) |
| 13:38.05 | Serashin | I could make a whole essay arround what is broken . takes to long sorry. |
| 13:38.15 | Fate_ | ah come on what are this changes? |
| 13:38.19 | Fate_ | bullshit |
| 13:38.46 | Fate_ | buff for terra and toss |
| 13:39.30 | Serashin | Thats why im working since 1 week on my 2v2 RTS , checked aswell how C&C generals 2 alpha looks like . doesnt look promising . (as previous C&C titles already sucked in comparison to generals 1 ) |
| 13:40.20 | Serashin | Blizzard has a chance to rework the whole game with release of LoTV @ Alwin . before true not really doable |
| 13:40.20 | Fate_ | ill just go on making my map and make my own rts game |
| 13:41.26 | Serashin | maybe i can win you for my project Fate:_ , got goals in textdocuments , roughly tech trees done , alpha terrain done |
| 13:42.01 | Fate_ | hm? |
| 13:42.04 | Fate_ | what projekt? |
| 13:42.05 | Bommes | Zerg gets buffed as well? |
| 13:42.12 | Serashin | 2v2 RTS map |
| 13:42.13 | Bommes | bigger than the protoss buff even |
| 13:42.20 | Fate_ | what like? |
| 13:42.52 | Serashin | u can add me in skype , i send u the stuff then u can look if it is your likings |
| 13:43.15 | Fate_ | hm i am a bit curious |
| 13:43.28 | Fate_ | but know that: i am not an implementer |
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| 13:50.00 | Zolden | Tomura use "EyeLeft" name instead of "Head", it doesn't lie |
| 13:50.16 | Zolden | and limits are indeed name related |
| 13:50.27 | Tomura | interesting |
| 13:50.31 | Tomura | and good to know |
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| 14:24.33 | JademusSreg | Oh shit, I forgot to schedule time for Terraria's update. Dustin, I assume you've been playing without me? |
| 14:25.37 | Dustin | Yeah I played a bit yesterday, got some basic gear setup and a base established |
| 14:25.57 | JademusSreg | Fresh character? |
| 14:26.04 | Dustin | yup |
| 14:26.26 | Dustin | I got this badass Ice sword that shoots ice blasts every couple seconds im attacking |
| 14:26.48 | Zolden | JademusSreg twodie http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/44/56/battletank.gif |
| 14:27.03 | JademusSreg | Are old character profiles still valid? |
| 14:27.41 | JademusSreg | Baddest of all asses, Zol. |
| 14:28.52 | Zolden | :) |
| 14:29.19 | Serashin | lol Zolden |
| 14:29.31 | Serashin | that tank 4 guns kinda look like a C&C unit mainly used for anti air too |
| 14:29.35 | twodie | mayve a bit too much looking to the ground or up in the Air. But some Averangly great looking tower defence on wheels |
| 14:29.37 | JademusSreg | Are the treads moving? Can't tell, don't feel like dissecting the gif. |
| 14:30.58 | JademusSreg | Also, what manner of tank is it intended to be? |
| 14:32.29 | Zolden | threads are moving |
| 14:32.41 | JademusSreg | And the treads, I hope. |
| 14:33.22 | Zolden | and this tank is something like in duke nukem 3D there were gloves that spam rapidly heavy and slightly explosive shells |
| 14:34.19 | Zolden | something like heavy minigun |
| 14:34.32 | JademusSreg | Two things. |
| 14:35.00 | JademusSreg | The last Duke Nukem game I played was the original in 1991. That was enough. |
| 14:35.54 | Zolden | the first duke nukem 3D was worth playing |
| 14:37.28 | JademusSreg | And I mean to ask about the purpose of the tank, again from an in-context perspective. In what strategic/tactical role does it function? Or should I propose some for you? =D |
| 14:37.37 | NGKrush | hi guys, back with another q! |
| 14:38.06 | NGKrush | i'm setting up a switch after a search area, but its default abaility wont execute |
| 14:38.16 | JademusSreg | Pastebin the xml/. |
| 14:39.03 | Zolden | JademusSreg what would you propose based on tis look? |
| 14:39.13 | NGKrush | cool :) |
| 14:42.15 | Zolden | JademusSreg my intention was to make nothing but a heavy expensive mech unit. If you ever played squad td, you can know, that the more expensive a unit, the more effective the spendings in terms of damage/cost. Also, there are different wave types, different wave numbers. So, damage filter, and also frequency<->"damage per attack" dispersion matters. So, this tank is planned to be rapidly firing, and also strong. Will maybe have some feature, like overheat after |
| 14:43.56 | JademusSreg | Several ideas come to mind. Main weapon almost certainly should be a dual railgun, particle beam, or RA2-like magnetron. Suggested functions include mobile all-in-one base, mobile defense platform with upgradable features, mobile bunker, and/or its siege mode allows it to use an even more devastating weapon. |
| 14:44.09 | NGKrush | ok, maybe i found my problem. i have a behaviour of 3 seconds which will fire off an effect at final. in modifications I have disabled all effects (because i dont want the player to be able to execute any abilities at this time) |
| 14:44.30 | NGKrush | but i do want it to fire at the end of the behaviour. |
| 14:45.05 | NGKrush | is the solution to give all the other abilities a requirement so they can only be executed when you dont have this buff? |
| 14:46.04 | NGKrush | so i can take the modifications out |
| 14:46.37 | Zolden | JademusSreg yea, it will be dual or quad railgun |
| 14:46.57 | Zolden | JademusSreg do you think it looks stronger than thor? one of them will be upgraded into another one |
| 14:47.02 | JademusSreg | Zol, I only inquire because it has a ludicrously large, -tall- profile, when tanks traditionally have smaller, lower profiles for defensive and mechanical purposes (traditional ballistic launches would wreck that shit, knock it over). |
| 14:47.32 | JademusSreg | NG, don't know enough about the design to suggest such a thing. |
| 14:48.53 | NGKrush | yeah, its rather complex. but i have the unit going through several buffs during an ability that work like a statemachine, so in every state the unit can or cannot do certain things. i'll still copy/paste the whole thing, maybe you can make something out :) |
| 14:49.24 | JademusSreg | It certainly looks ominous, Zol. I assume the power generator for such a thing is housed in the lower turret section, so might be fun to add some details to communicate that. |
| 14:55.29 | JademusSreg | And also stuff-that-glows when it fires. |
| 14:55.56 | NGKrush | this is it: http://pastebin.com/0iMfngWk |
| 14:55.57 | Stewox | jademus |
| 14:56.11 | Stewox | remember when you said im from this FAAAR away country caring about ... |
| 14:56.18 | Stewox | well actually good question |
| 14:56.59 | Stewox | you know why, it's one of the only free land left but it's not good because they're focusing there |
| 14:57.08 | NGKrush | is this too complex for starcraft to perform if it happens only max 2 times a second? not all the time, but a few times when the game gets hectic? |
| 14:57.13 | Stewox | we don't have 2nd amendment here :( |
| 14:57.16 | NGKrush | and only for 1 unit |
| 14:57.18 | Stewox | gtg brb |
| 14:58.24 | JademusSreg | NG, so is this a 2D fighting game or a 3D brawler? |
| 14:58.52 | NGKrush | 3d fighting, so a mix |
| 14:59.34 | JademusSreg | So like SoulCaliber or similar, facing one another + strafe? |
| 14:59.40 | NGKrush | yeah, exactly |
| 14:59.46 | JademusSreg | Got it. |
| 15:01.28 | JademusSreg | Remove the DeathResponse in the startup buff. Side effect of field copy/duplication. |
| 15:01.35 | JademusSreg | Data cruft. |
| 15:01.51 | JademusSreg | That's not the issue, just bugs me. |
| 15:02.28 | NGKrush | yeah, it doesnt show in the normal view :/ |
| 15:02.52 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/DataView.png |
| 15:04.48 | JademusSreg | Punch001ApplyRecovery not on the list. |
| 15:04.53 | JademusSreg | Erm, in the paste. |
| 15:05.25 | NGKrush | yeah, i didnt paste in the whole set ani at the end. let me do that |
| 15:05.59 | Zolden | JademusSreg you mean some maybe blue glow to let know there's power generates? and particle beam as attack? |
| 15:06.09 | Zolden | probably i'll do it |
| 15:06.51 | Zolden | i thought about attacks like in diablo 1 hell, there were winged women with star-looking attacks, but tank will shoot them faster |
| 15:10.37 | NGKrush | http://pastebin.com/8w6Zz9Cp |
| 15:19.22 | JademusSreg | Zol, yeah. |
| 15:21.04 | JademusSreg | NG, why disable abilities when you can use ability/effect channel-related flags and ability uninterruptable states to accomplish the same ends less problematically. |
| 15:21.07 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 15:23.26 | NGKrush | i didnt think about that, i will try |
| 15:24.48 | NGKrush | i will be using wasd keys to move the characters, so i'm not sure if that would override it, but i could probabaly add a check if he unit is or isn't channeling in the triggers part |
| 15:29.46 | NGKrush | so i set ability/uninterruptable to channel? |
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| 16:15.23 | twodie | nananananananannananannananna |
| 16:15.25 | twodie | nigaman |
| 16:21.52 | Stewox | livestream on NSA Utah command center facility, protecting your first amendment http://www.ustream.tv/AlexJonesLive |
| 16:22.38 | Stewox | will happen any moment, goes on of, they're still driving around |
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| 17:09.10 | mille25 | hey |
| 17:09.14 | Dustin | ji |
| 17:09.16 | Dustin | hi |
| 17:11.29 | twodie | hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:11.29 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 17:11.34 | twodie | pew pew? |
| 17:12.17 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 17:12.30 | ArcanePariah | Sup |
| 17:13.02 | twodie | I NEED THOSE HOTS CLIFFS! |
| 17:14.23 | JademusSreg | From the depthsss, I come. </Naga> |
| 17:15.16 | Zolden | twodie jsut use them, relax |
| 17:15.28 | twodie | Im scared to death! |
| 17:16.05 | JademusSreg | Or make your own. |
| 17:16.36 | ArcanePariah | is watching his country go full retard... never should go full retard |
| 17:16.39 | JademusSreg | Hey, Arc, perhaps I can goad you into testing something. |
| 17:16.57 | ArcanePariah | tilts head inquistively |
| 17:18.05 | ArcanePariah | Funny how some game music I feel is more classic and time lasting then most modern crap put out today, Halo intro suite never gets old |
| 17:18.06 | JademusSreg | Export one of the .fx files from Shaders/ and modify a value that should have an obvious effect, import into a map into the appropriate path, and see if it does anything. |
| 17:18.24 | ArcanePariah | This is a file in the core library? |
| 17:18.46 | JademusSreg | If you have the editor open, you can export it from the asset browser. |
| 17:19.13 | JademusSreg | Haven't bothered to check however they may be located/dispersed. |
| 17:19.31 | twodie | Zolden what hotkey in 3ds to zoom camera to selected model? |
| 17:20.30 | Zolden | z |
| 17:20.38 | JademusSreg | But since the editor's asset browser shows all the accessible files for all sources, don't need to much worry about which MPQ one should open. |
| 17:20.42 | Zolden | surprized? |
| 17:20.47 | Zolden | http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/snova_17/42505524/367258/367258_original.jpg |
| 17:21.00 | ArcanePariah | Ok, found them, let me give it a spin |
| 17:21.27 | JademusSreg | Dunno if you have much experience with shaders, so I'll just assume you do. |
| 17:23.05 | ArcanePariah | Not really, I took a basic intro course to computer graphics, dealing with matricies/frustrums/transformations/chroma, didn't really get into the shader aspects and pipelining |
| 17:23.43 | JademusSreg | No worries, changing some constants should be sufficient to test whether or not they are loaded. |
| 17:23.45 | ArcanePariah | So I'll resort to the normal method of learning: poking and blowing shit up and see what happens |
| 17:35.27 | Zolden | was it a simple task to play ogv's in sc2? |
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| 17:39.41 | Zolden | fuck nice |
| 17:39.55 | Zolden | billboard mesh worked |
| 17:41.12 | Fate_ | (y) |
| 17:42.53 | ArcanePariah | Jade, I tried modifying a value or 2, and reimporting it, the editor promptly redownloaded a fresh one and overwrote it |
| 17:43.14 | JademusSreg | So it doesn't work from inside a map? |
| 17:43.18 | ArcanePariah | It is doing an integrity check on all core MPQ, so you can't modify anything in them |
| 17:43.29 | ArcanePariah | Well.. where would I put a modified fx file? |
| 17:43.50 | JademusSreg | Er, I suspect you misunderstood; I meant to learn if a map or mod can use custom shaders. =D |
| 17:44.24 | JademusSreg | By appropriate path, I meant import into the map at a comparable directory. |
| 17:44.33 | ArcanePariah | Well I exported one from the asset browser, it was located in Shaders, which is loacted in a core MPQ |
| 17:44.43 | ArcanePariah | Oh ok, well Ill try it then, but I have a feeeling it will ignore it |
| 17:44.53 | JademusSreg | Either Shaders/ or somemodblahblah.SC2Mod/Shaders/ |
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| 17:55.13 | ArcanePariah | Welp, I imported them, nothing got changed |
| 17:55.35 | ArcanePariah | I'll try anoyther one |
| 17:56.50 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, nothing changes, it is only used the Shader file in the core MPQ |
| 17:57.36 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 17:58.13 | JademusSreg | May attempt some shenanigans later, but good to know, thanks. |
| 17:59.24 | ArcanePariah | On a related topic, is the path banks are loaded from hardcoded? |
| 18:00.23 | twodie | Zolden WTF cant get model to use texture and always that part is black no matter where i move texture.. and back of the model isnt black... http://snag.gy/WX4uY.jpg |
| 18:03.42 | Zolden | inverted normals? something about texture pathes? |
| 18:04.08 | Zolden | sometimes i have use mopac mathes, and no textures imported yet -> no textures on mesh |
| 18:04.21 | twodie | http://snag.gy/cpRsw.jpg |
| 18:04.42 | twodie | yeah |
| 18:04.47 | twodie | how to edit those shits |
| 18:05.05 | Zolden | check "show normals" |
| 18:05.13 | Zolden | when you edit triangles |
| 18:05.24 | Zolden | they will look like blue lines |
| 18:05.31 | Zolden | invert |
| 18:05.38 | Zolden | or jsut select all and unify |
| 18:07.33 | twodie | well none of that worked when using Modifier "Edit Normals" |
| 18:08.09 | Zolden | never used it |
| 18:08.28 | Zolden | just select mesh, press 4 |
| 18:09.57 | twodie | ohh found something. Polygon Vertex Color |
| 18:10.09 | Zolden | oh, maybe turn poly to mesh, then select red triangle, there will be "show normals" and invert/unify |
| 18:10.42 | twodie | yeah that was it |
| 18:10.51 | twodie | alpha setting |
| 18:11.22 | twodie | "Vetext Properties" |
| 18:11.55 | twodie | basonfagnaoggaonga |
| 18:12.17 | Zolden | ok |
| 18:12.18 | Triceron | yeah looks like a normals problem there |
| 18:12.36 | Triceron | either that or something quirky with your UVs |
| 18:15.21 | Zolden | Triceron today I made look at behavior working http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/44/56/battletank.gif |
| 18:15.41 | Zolden | also, just did with billboard mesh |
| 18:15.55 | Fate_ | uh looks nice |
| 18:15.58 | Triceron | oooh, very nice! |
| 18:16.01 | Triceron | turrets all working |
| 18:16.18 | Fate_ | is that for a projekt? |
| 18:16.58 | Zolden | yea |
| 18:17.25 | Fate_ | cool what is it? |
| 18:17.29 | Zolden | reqires a trigger to work, but at least it's not fucked |
| 18:17.56 | Zolden | well, jsut an edited siege tank model, but feature is that turret looks at target in 3d |
| 18:18.16 | Fate_ | ah |
| 18:18.34 | Zolden | http://i.snag.gy/LUG8T.jpg |
| 18:19.16 | Fate_ | nice model Zolden |
| 18:19.47 | Zolden | thank JademusSreg, his eye helped to calibrate it |
| 18:19.54 | Zolden | was a pile of garbage |
| 18:31.42 | twodie | :( |
| 18:32.56 | Zolden | :| |
| 18:34.22 | Zolden | (.(. (.Y.) .).) |
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| 18:36.00 | Zolden | ok, twodie also affected, he's kinaesthetic specialist |
| 18:36.07 | Zolden | like salvador dali |
| 18:36.18 | Zolden | who felt shape and weight |
| 18:36.19 | twodie | ^^ |
| 18:36.54 | twodie | color wasnt a factor for me? No suggestion to look to your own suggestion of Dota2 models creation tips? |
| 18:37.20 | Zolden | ok, you're universal |
| 18:37.30 | Zolden | next time you will be my main consultant |
| 18:37.34 | Zolden | we will dominate together |
| 18:37.40 | Zolden | well destroy competitiors |
| 18:37.42 | twodie | Yay! |
| 18:37.48 | Zolden | will monopolyse the market |
| 18:37.54 | Zolden | will rule the industry |
| 18:38.00 | Zolden | will create our army |
| 18:38.11 | Zolden | will assassin loud fuckers |
| 18:38.18 | Zolden | will affect goverments |
| 18:38.34 | Zolden | will spie for most important ppl |
| 18:38.43 | Serashin | will put 3 slices of cheese on a sandwich |
| 18:38.52 | Zolden | will become the mightiest organisation in the world |
| 18:39.29 | Zolden | will always put +1 more slice of cheese than anyone else |
| 18:39.58 | Zolden | Stewox will suspect us in hidden crimes agains humanity |
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| 18:44.22 | ArcanePariah | and also.... you will find the answer to life, the universe and everything |
| 18:45.40 | Zolden | we will be above it, will talk to the god and not ask cosmological questions |
| 18:47.01 | MoonEater | ArcanePariah 42 |
| 18:47.18 | MoonEater | and dont forget the restuant at the end of the universe |
| 18:53.15 | ArcanePariah | Hehe |
| 18:53.23 | MoonEater | have u rea all 5 books? |
| 18:53.30 | MoonEater | im actually currently reading book 4 |
| 18:53.35 | ArcanePariah | Actaully, I've read none of them :p |
| 18:53.36 | MoonEater | started last month |
| 18:53.39 | MoonEater | aww |
| 18:53.41 | MoonEater | its a same |
| 18:54.10 | MoonEater | the hitchiker's guide to the glaxy say the the art of flying is throwing urself at the ground and missing |
| 18:54.26 | MoonEater | so auther tipped and missed the ground one day |
| 18:54.27 | MoonEater | XD |
| 18:56.56 | MoonEater | ArcanePariah |
| 18:57.30 | MoonEater | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiSstGhCaBs |
| 18:57.39 | MoonEater | download it and listen to it in the car |
| 18:57.40 | ArcanePariah | lool |
| 18:57.45 | ArcanePariah | Nice |
| 18:58.22 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 18:58.37 | MoonEater | shoots at jade |
| 18:59.05 | ArcanePariah | Oh hell.... my country (USA) just went REALLY full retard: http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/03/20805397-us-capitol-placed-on-lockdown?lite |
| 18:59.57 | JademusSreg | My edition of HGttG is biblical in appearance. |
| 19:00.29 | Triceron | hahaha, awesome :D |
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| 19:02.00 | MoonEater | i say let them |
| 19:02.01 | MoonEater | its pissing off the NSA |
| 19:02.09 | MoonEater | and they need a good pissing off |
| 19:03.18 | twodie | Triceron how to make unity bunch of polygons to one? |
| 19:07.04 | Triceron | you mean different objects? |
| 19:07.31 | Triceron | or you tryng to combine different polys of one object? |
| 19:08.02 | Triceron | if you're uniting multiple objects, use the 'Attach' function. If you're connecting polygons of one object, you can use 'Weld' |
| 19:12.40 | twodie | Triceron, same model, bunch of polygons, like removing between them edges |
| 19:13.01 | twodie | without any vertext welding |
| 19:13.13 | twodie | *vertex |
| 19:13.29 | twodie | for some reason that "t" is always been press... |
| 19:13.33 | twodie | pressed |
| 19:15.24 | twodie | and how about button that would auto create edges of polygon that have more than 3 vertex |
| 19:18.41 | Triceron | well you could prolly use the cut function and make edges where you want |
| 19:23.07 | twodie | mm, so still not clear how to make huge polygon without seeing those edges of it |
| 19:23.08 | twodie | like |
| 19:23.57 | twodie | http://snag.gy/KEgji.jpg |
| 19:28.24 | Triceron | you want to turn off the dotted lines? |
| 19:35.07 | twodie | no... To make polygons look like it, make from couple of polygons to have those hidden edges |
| 19:35.30 | twodie | without involving other surrounding polygons, edges that i dont want to effect |
| 19:35.39 | twodie | vissually for editing |
| 19:35.39 | Zolden | twodie ask Otixa_ |
| 19:35.54 | Zolden | he's the max guy |
| 19:36.02 | twodie | hmm |
| 19:36.04 | twodie | prolly |
| 19:38.48 | Triceron | sorry, still not really following on what you're trying to do |
| 19:40.46 | Zolden | twodie tried ctnl + delete? |
| 19:41.23 | Stewox | shots fired in washington |
| 19:41.37 | Zolden | probably it's not possible what you want, because you can't vertices->edges |
| 19:41.45 | Zolden | learn universe |
| 19:41.45 | twodie | Stewox its time for you to shine! |
| 19:41.47 | Stewox | http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/03/US-Capitol-in-lockdown |
| 19:41.58 | Stewox | this is breaking |
| 19:42.10 | twodie | Zolden well how the fuck the Blizz made that happen? ... |
| 19:43.23 | Zolden | if they made it, than i don't udnerstand what do you mean under "removing edges without any vertext welding" |
| 19:43.30 | Zolden | then |
| 19:47.48 | twodie | Zolden http://i.snag.gy/iGngz.jpg |
| 19:51.40 | Zolden | it's poly, they are still there |
| 19:51.45 | Zolden | turn to mesh, you'll see them |
| 19:52.13 | Triceron | so it's just changing display mode then? |
| 19:54.41 | twodie | yes they are but they arent vissible, on display. They are united |
| 19:55.00 | Zolden | turn poly to mesh |
| 19:56.56 | twodie | then what |
| 20:09.12 | Zolden | then select triangle |
| 20:09.20 | Zolden | and check model |
| 20:09.28 | Zolden | click on "merged space" |
| 20:13.45 | twodie | o jeeeeeezzzzzzzz |
| 20:13.47 | twodie | another dota |
| 20:13.48 | twodie | http://www.twitch.tv/waystonegames |
| 20:14.23 | twodie | that uses LoL gameplay ideas, the simplicity |
| 20:14.57 | Triceron | wow |
| 20:15.03 | Triceron | i thought that was LoL |
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| 20:37.36 | Ownage | I'm trying to see if EnergyRegen field exists in the scope of a Units catalog |
| 20:37.50 | Ownage | apparently in the GUI you have to know how to specify that via a string, i believe |
| 20:38.32 | Ownage | what would the Scope be for that, if the unit type is Tacos |
| 20:39.14 | Ownage | in other words I get an error that EnergyRegen field doesn't exist when querying the unit type, I'd like to only query that if the field exists |
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| 20:57.01 | Eimtr | hi, does any1 know, is a structure under construction detected if I use if number of Living (unit type) units is in (Region) |
| 20:58.01 | A1win | should be, unless you filter out units that are under construction |
| 20:59.32 | Eimtr | thgere's only Any Living and Dead |
| 20:59.55 | Eimtr | i dont see how i would filter them but im not sure if they are not built if they count as being Living |
| 20:59.57 | A1win | there are other function that also have a unit filter |
| 21:00.09 | Eimtr | which is it |
| 21:00.20 | A1win | units in region matching condition, for example |
| 21:00.37 | A1win | but I'm pretty sure under construction units are "Alive" |
| 21:00.47 | A1win | anything with more than 0 life should be alive |
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| 21:01.39 | Eimtr | im already using units in region matching condition and thanks , i will consider them counted when i count the number of units with under construction |
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| 21:21.18 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
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| 22:01.09 | Obscene | :/ |
| 22:01.13 | Obscene | vailreth isnt here |
| 22:01.15 | Obscene | lol |
| 22:01.35 | Obscene | ~seen vailreth |
| 22:01.40 | purl | vailreth <~kvirc@75.108.236.253> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 7d 21h 10m 49s ago, saying: 'blargh i want in hearthstone beta '. |
| 22:01.49 | Obscene | yikes lol |
| 22:04.15 | Obscene | Zolden what are you doing? |
| 22:05.10 | Zolden | Obscene hey |
| 22:05.20 | Zolden | i was watching some youtube shit |
| 22:05.33 | Obscene | Watching youtube take a shit? |
| 22:05.44 | Obscene | ohhhh you mean ray william johnson |
| 22:05.45 | Obscene | :P |
| 22:05.51 | Zolden | maybe |
| 22:06.17 | Obscene | I have been sooo immersed in GTA V lately :/ |
| 22:06.24 | Obscene | I forgot about needing team colored models. |
| 22:06.54 | Zolden | i'm working for russians now |
| 22:07.03 | Zolden | no models for anyone anymore, mua ha ha |
| 22:07.13 | Zolden | ask twodie |
| 22:09.37 | Obscene | lol |
| 22:09.57 | Obscene | never trust a russian!!! |
| 22:09.58 | Obscene | :P |
| 22:10.48 | Zolden | i made this http://i.snag.gy/LUG8T.jpg |
| 22:11.19 | Obscene | What is it? |
| 22:11.31 | Obscene | I guess its a vehicle of some kind |
| 22:11.37 | Zolden | yea |
| 22:11.43 | Obscene | Doesnt look like it goes too fast |
| 22:11.44 | Obscene | :P |
| 22:11.49 | Zolden | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/44/56/battletank.gif |
| 22:12.37 | Obscene | yeah its pretty cool though |
| 22:12.43 | Zolden | dunno, who made this http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/snova_17/42505524/367258/367258_original.jpg |
| 22:12.48 | Obscene | Though I dont like the tank drawing |
| 22:12.53 | Obscene | Nature |
| 22:13.06 | Obscene | I dont like the tank body* |
| 22:13.18 | Zolden | drawing suck, because it's only a modified siege tank |
| 22:13.19 | Obscene | \It looks like it should be a Turret like building. |
| 22:13.28 | Zolden | it's just heavy |
| 22:13.47 | Zolden | heavy weapon of destruction, it can afford to be ugly |
| 22:14.19 | Obscene | lol |
| 22:14.33 | Zolden | if it kills anyone who says it's ugly, after few generations people will think it's beautiful |
| 22:14.38 | Zolden | natural selection |
| 22:14.59 | Obscene | I need to write down ALL abilities.... and then re-arrange them on different heroes. |
| 22:15.09 | Zolden | ;/ |
| 22:15.30 | Obscene | I realized I have 12 heroes... none of which fulfill a specific role |
| 22:15.36 | Obscene | lol |
| 22:15.42 | Obscene | They are all, all around, heroes |
| 22:15.45 | Zolden | chaos is 2nd name of your map |
| 22:15.51 | Zolden | spam and chaos |
| 22:15.53 | Obscene | ? |
| 22:15.55 | Obscene | hahahaha |
| 22:16.03 | Obscene | I like the chaos |
| 22:16.09 | Obscene | its the spam I am trying to rid myself of |
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| 22:19.42 | Obscene | jademus I have an issue |
| 22:20.54 | Obscene | So, JademusSreg, when I put http://i.imgur.com/7PnnrTJ.jpg image into a map, it turns to http://i.imgur.com/ksMLFkF.jpg (ignore the fact that its a different image, I am talking about how it looks like shit how its pixelated) |
| 22:25.19 | JademusSreg | clicks. |
| 22:26.04 | JademusSreg | That's not the same font. =\ |
| 22:26.19 | Ownage | anyone know answer to my Q |
| 22:27.03 | Ownage | I get an error that EnergyRegen field doesn't exist when querying the unit type, I'd like to only query that if the field exists |
| 22:27.04 | Ownage | . so I'm trying to see if EnergyRegen field exists in the scope of a Units catalog |
| 22:27.04 | Ownage | . in the GUI you have to know how to specify that via a string. what would that be? |
| 22:27.16 | JademusSreg | But I expect it's a consequence of either the scaling down or compression artifacts (which tends to be pretty severe with dds DXT3). |
| 22:27.45 | Triceron | try using a tga. If it's still pixellated, it could be because of scaling. |
| 22:27.48 | JademusSreg | Own, pastebin the code. |
| 22:28.03 | Ownage | what code |
| 22:28.22 | JademusSreg | Taint, given the variation in the pixelation, I strong suspect scaling. |
| 22:28.37 | JademusSreg | Own, the code you're using that isn't working. |
| 22:28.53 | Ownage | it works, it just errors on units that don't have that field |
| 22:29.05 | Ownage | Variable - Set energy_regen = (Value of Units spawn_type[a].unit_type EnergyRegenRate for player Any Player as an integer) |
| 22:29.07 | JademusSreg | Preferably script, but GUI if it's not tripping-balls ridiculously messy. |
| 22:29.46 | Ownage | that works fine for any units which have energy/energy regen |
| 22:30.00 | Ownage | if they don't have it, it spits an error that EnergyRegenRate field doesn't exist |
| 22:30.26 | JademusSreg | So wrap it in an if expression to check if it exists. |
| 22:30.31 | Ownage | yep |
| 22:30.37 | Ownage | and that brings me to the question I asked |
| 22:30.54 | Ownage | the function to do that asks for a scope but you have to know it as string |
| 22:31.29 | JademusSreg | Yeah, you can see the field in XML view. |
| 22:32.02 | Ownage | xml view, oh greata |
| 22:32.46 | JademusSreg | The string for a catalog field is defined by the xml structure. |
| 22:33.43 | JademusSreg | Surprise, EnergyRegenRate is "EnergyRegenRate". =D |
| 22:34.02 | Ownage | makes sense |
| 22:34.09 | Ownage | so then, what would the 'scope' be |
| 22:34.20 | Ownage | that is the Field |
| 22:34.27 | JademusSreg | Oh noes, you're using -that- function. |
| 22:34.32 | Ownage | this is what it gives me: (Does catalog Field of Scope exist?) == Value 2 |
| 22:34.54 | Ownage | so Field would be EnergyRegenRate |
| 22:34.57 | Ownage | this I knew |
| 22:35.27 | Ownage | somehow in Scope I need to tell it that it's Units catalog, and the specific unit type, and (?) CAUnits or something? |
| 22:35.47 | Ownage | or scratch that last one actually, so I need to tell it Units -> myunit |
| 22:35.49 | JademusSreg | Let me check a reference. |
| 22:37.36 | JademusSreg | I see. |
| 22:38.07 | JademusSreg | CatalogFieldExists(CatalogEntryScope(int catalog, string entry), string field); |
| 22:38.11 | JademusSreg | Look familiar? =D |
| 22:38.36 | Ownage | well it looks similar |
| 22:38.53 | Ownage | ok so yeah looks like it wants player as well |
| 22:39.19 | Ownage | so I need to tell it in string form the player, CUnits or whatever, and the unit type |
| 22:39.36 | JademusSreg | Anyway, the function CatalogEntryScope returns a string, the same thing you'd provide to the field value catalog functions' first two parameters. |
| 22:39.44 | JademusSreg | But no, there's no player. |
| 22:39.53 | JademusSreg | Which makes sense, actually. |
| 22:40.07 | Ownage | what do you mean, there should be a player(?) |
| 22:40.28 | JademusSreg | CatalogFieldExists doesn't have a player parameter. |
| 22:40.33 | Ownage | that's what int catalog means |
| 22:40.38 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 22:40.40 | Ownage | ...right? |
| 22:40.44 | JademusSreg | That is very much not what it means. |
| 22:40.57 | Ownage | why do I need to specify player for everything else catalog related, I thought it was catalog per player |
| 22:41.22 | JademusSreg | If you'd cease making words at me, I could tell you, haha. |
| 22:43.43 | JademusSreg | See, the catalog data as loaded from the xml files is immutable, and the catalog field value and reference functions are additional modifiers that do not themselves change the original data. It's not like you can just add new catalog shit at runtime with catalog magic; you only ever modify what exists. So the existence of a field is the same regardless of player, though the value may differ. |
| 22:44.33 | JademusSreg | The int parameter is, like you mentioned previously, shit like CUnit or CAbil and such,. |
| 22:45.06 | JademusSreg | Which are just enums. |
| 22:45.15 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 22:45.30 | Ownage | so you're saying I can't suddenly give a unit energyregen during game, using catalog entries, because that field won't exist |
| 22:46.08 | JademusSreg | (You probably can, but you can't damn well check the value if it doesn't exist.) |
| 22:46.32 | Ownage | that's a bit strange to me. I'll test that for fun |
| 22:46.41 | Ownage | is the scope what I find when doing a data reference? |
| 22:46.51 | Ownage | like I just did this in a text field to see what it says |
| 22:47.32 | Ownage | it says is is is th Unit,CommentatorBot1,EnergyRegenRate |
| 22:47.48 | Ownage | is that suggesting I can just do Unit,CommentatorBot1 |
| 22:47.51 | A1win | I think all units have energy regen etc, it's just 0 by default |
| 22:48.08 | Ownage | they don't |
| 22:49.50 | Ownage | from what I'm reading and what jade is saying its inhereted or represented at least, by xml in the data view thingy |
| 22:50.03 | Ownage | and in there you can clearly see there's not energyregen listed for anything except non-0's |
| 22:50.36 | Ownage | also, that would mean I was imagining the problem :) |
| 22:51.28 | Ownage | I wonder if there's some way to find the path it's talking about in the editor |
| 22:52.57 | A1win | try the parent object, like the unit data entry of type "CUnit" |
| 22:53.04 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:53.07 | A1win | see if that has those fields D: |
| 22:53.53 | Ownage | what do you mean |
| 22:55.45 | Ownage | this thing is so stupid, or there's something off about my understanding of this |
| 22:56.08 | Ownage | even if you make a variable of type catalog scope and try to set it, browse for values, all you can choose is top level |
| 22:56.42 | A1win | yeah? |
| 22:56.50 | Zolden | Obscene go watch the new south park episode |
| 22:56.52 | Ownage | if scope really just is the top level part of it, then you can't actually check to see if energyregenrate exists on a unit, which means you will basically always generate errors if you use it |
| 22:56.54 | A1win | evereything is inherited from top level |
| 22:56.54 | Zolden | you'll like it |
| 22:57.01 | A1win | every unit has all the fields of CUnit |
| 22:57.14 | Ownage | A1win, test first, come back |
| 22:57.15 | A1win | just not necessarily visible in XML |
| 22:57.24 | A1win | because they are inherited |
| 22:57.31 | Ownage | my original problem proves that's not true dude |
| 22:58.07 | Ownage | I am running through a bunch of units and grabbing a bunch of their properties. the ones that don't have energy regen fail with an error saying that field isn't found |
| 22:58.12 | Ownage | also it's not present in the xml |
| 22:58.34 | Ownage | also there is a function to check if a field exists |
| 22:58.48 | Ownage | which probably wouldn't exist if every field existed always |
| 22:59.14 | A1win | weird |
| 22:59.30 | A1win | since you can se those values with other triggers even if they are 0 at first |
| 22:59.53 | Ownage | that's probably because it's checking the parent, as a mask |
| 23:00.05 | Ownage | but using a mask to provide defaults doesn't mean the field exists |
| 23:00.14 | Ownage | in fact it's probably exactly this mechanism they use to make the mask |
| 23:00.30 | Ownage | if you query a field and it doesn't exist it probably queries parent for the default |
| 23:00.48 | JademusSreg | Own, let's try this again. Show me the script code (not GUI, not "raw data view") for that set variable you pasted earlier. |
| 23:00.52 | Ownage | however since I'm using catalog I'm specifically querying the unit directly, which is avoiding the masking process |
| 23:01.04 | Ownage | alright |
| 23:02.25 | Ownage | lv_energy_regen = CatalogFieldValueGetAsInt(c_gameCatalogUnit, gv_spawn_type[lv_a].lv_unit_type, "EnergyRegenRate", c_playerAny); |
| 23:03.10 | JademusSreg | Alright. Now what is the value of gv_spawn_type[lv_a].lv_unit_type when the error pops? |
| 23:03.14 | Ownage | which now that I'm looking at it, I should probably be doing string then convert to real, first of all |
| 23:03.35 | Ownage | so let me change that, and run it with a ui text message and pause after each unit, so I can target one |
| 23:03.40 | JademusSreg | And yes, that's a good idea, too. |
| 23:03.44 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 23:04.26 | Ownage | ;) |
| 23:07.41 | MoonEater | JademusSreg im thinking of switching to galaxy whats the functionality inprovement in galaxy? |
| 23:10.40 | JademusSreg | I expect that depends on one's programming competency, and patience working with a neutered-C language. |
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| 23:11.46 | JademusSreg | Personally, I like not clicking on a whole bunch of overly-verbose laggy bullshit loaded from an ever-bloating body of xml. |
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| 23:14.06 | JademusSreg | Also, access to arrayref, structref, funcref and typedef, not being forced to / being able to run code -before- map init, reduction in code bloat (again, assuming competency). |
| 23:14.54 | MoonEater | seems fairly trivial |
| 23:15.01 | MoonEater | give me sumthing more functional |
| 23:15.12 | proprietarysucks | you can use vim |
| 23:15.15 | proprietarysucks | haha |
| 23:15.26 | MoonEater | wim? |
| 23:15.27 | JademusSreg | Running code before map init is nice, at least insofar as instead of a huge lag spike in game, it moves that workload to the duration of the loading screen. |
| 23:16.01 | MoonEater | some games do have issues with a early game load spike |
| 23:16.28 | MoonEater | but this is a minor innconvience |
| 23:17.07 | JademusSreg | I'm not gonna try and convince anyone; I don't give a shit. But if you can't tell why the following example is desirable, yeah, don't bother: https://pastee.org/bys92 |
| 23:17.48 | MoonEater | i dont want conviencing i just want meaningful advantages to functionality |
| 23:18.17 | proprietarysucks | had a little flood going, ok ready to try soon |
| 23:20.12 | MoonEater | and the code givin doesnt seem much of an issue looks like the implemtation from gui |
| 23:21.58 | JademusSreg | Haha, you could only say that if you didn't understand it, because that code is impossible for GUI. |
| 23:23.56 | MoonEater | am i wrong to believe that the code given is a loop with no guts designed to select each player/unit to perform work on? |
| 23:24.29 | proprietarysucks | annnnnnd no error this time, thanks satan |
| 23:24.44 | proprietarysucks | well other errors similar in nature but from a different area |
| 23:24.46 | proprietarysucks | still, annoying |
| 23:25.45 | Stewox | indeed, hail obomber |
| 23:27.21 | Stewox | http://i.imgur.com/iXUXg33.jpg |
| 23:28.13 | MoonEater | u know |
| 23:28.46 | MoonEater | it looks like a flying italian bistro... |
| 23:28.48 | proprietarysucks | ok so here's another one then |
| 23:30.12 | Stewox | finally found a channel i was looking for, better yet, it's right here on freenode, ##conspiracy , that should be a relief to some of you around here |
| 23:30.46 | MoonEater | lol dont forget ##Anonymous |
| 23:33.13 | Stewox | bah, anonymous aren't experts, there are educated leaders, but most of the crowd on other Anon irc are infested with 4chan trolls and fbi agents, some of the loose organizations totally rewritten what Anonymous stands for, Anonops has been compromised, i went there after a long time, tried to educate some people, they didn't get it, and then administrator came and wouldn't even listen, just... |
| 23:33.16 | Stewox | ...said "anonymous stands for lulz, and you aren't providing any" ban |
| 23:33.39 | MoonEater | ok stewox, ima say this alot i have a feeling for u |
| 23:33.55 | MoonEater | "it looks like a flying itallian bistro" |
| 23:33.59 | proprietarysucks | I don't think I'm doing this right somehow |
| 23:34.06 | proprietarysucks | gv_spell[lv_ability_stored_index].lv_cost = FixedToInt(libNtve_gf_CostOfAbility(gv_spell[lv_ability_stored_index].lv_link, "Minerals")); |
| 23:34.40 | proprietarysucks | that errors every single time saying Cost.Minerals couldn't be found, a required object wasn't found |
| 23:34.42 | Stewox | so i basically distanced from these stuffs, there still are tight real deal people out there, but the feds can easily infiltrate |
| 23:35.09 | proprietarysucks | the gui version is Variable - Set spell[ability_stored_index].cost = (Integer((Minerals cost of spell[ability_stored_index].link))) |
| 23:35.44 | proprietarysucks | where spell[ability_stored_index].link is an ability game link |
| 23:37.16 | JademusSreg | Moon, here's an example of how UnitGroupIterate can be used. https://pastee.org/7aewn |
| 23:38.34 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure that illustrates why the code cannot be replicated with GUI. |
| 23:38.44 | MoonEater | i can do this in gui |
| 23:38.48 | MoonEater | not as slick |
| 23:38.53 | MoonEater | has alittle more lines of code |
| 23:38.54 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 23:39.02 | MoonEater | but thats not improved fuctionality |
| 23:39.03 | JademusSreg | Precious. |
| 23:39.16 | MoonEater | the function of the gui and this r the same |
| 23:39.22 | MoonEater | i want functionality |
| 23:39.34 | MoonEater | u always say DESIGN well ima say FUNCTIONALITY |
| 23:39.39 | MoonEater | :P |
| 23:40.13 | MoonEater | give me a task that only galaxy can do thats impossible to emulate in gui |
| 23:40.20 | MoonEater | maybe very unreasonable |
| 23:40.41 | JademusSreg | How about you describe what the example code is doing? =D |
| 23:42.12 | MoonEater | LOLZ |
| 23:42.35 | MoonEater | the code is deciding if it wants to be a bird or different kind of code |
| 23:44.29 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 23:44.31 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 23:44.43 | MoonEater | ill miss u jade |
| 23:44.54 | proprietarysucks | I feel like this editor is stupid sometimes |
| 23:45.20 | proprietarysucks | UI - Display (Text((String((Gas cost of Storm)) with Any Precision decimal places))) for (All players) to Subtitle area |
| 23:45.24 | proprietarysucks | errors. |
| 23:45.57 | MoonEater | what it say? |
| 23:46.05 | MoonEater | let me guess |
| 23:46.09 | proprietarysucks | in fact it errors on abilities that have gas cost and ones that don't have gas costs |
| 23:46.25 | MoonEater | i was going to guess that |
| 23:46.32 | MoonEater | before that line of code |
| 23:46.39 | proprietarysucks | Cost.Gas couldn't be found, a required object wasn't found |
| 23:46.39 | MoonEater | check to see if theres a gas cost |
| 23:46.43 | MoonEater | if not set it to 0 |
| 23:46.53 | MoonEater | my guess is its doing null or some weird bs |
| 23:46.56 | proprietarysucks | this line is to check if there's a gas cost |
| 23:47.04 | proprietarysucks | how do you propose I check without checking? |
| 23:47.04 | MoonEater | no |
| 23:47.07 | MoonEater | thats a display |
| 23:47.16 | MoonEater | thats generating text |
| 23:47.23 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 23:47.34 | JademusSreg | False alarm. |
| 23:47.39 | MoonEater | I missed u |
| 23:47.44 | MoonEater | the code flew away... |
| 23:47.45 | proprietarysucks | so check if string value length is over 0 ? |
| 23:47.49 | MoonEater | while u were gone |
| 23:47.51 | MoonEater | no |
| 23:47.57 | MoonEater | check if the string is "" |
| 23:48.00 | MoonEater | then set it to 0 |
| 23:48.08 | MoonEater | see if that helps |
| 23:48.17 | proprietarysucks | but.. |
| 23:48.27 | proprietarysucks | (Gas cost of Storm) is Real |
| 23:48.33 | MoonEater | ok |
| 23:48.35 | proprietarysucks | there's no null in real |
| 23:48.39 | MoonEater | well |
| 23:48.42 | JademusSreg | Wat is Storm? |
| 23:48.45 | MoonEater | there is in this case |
| 23:48.53 | proprietarysucks | a copy of high templar storm |
| 23:48.59 | MoonEater | if it says its not finding the gas cost when its 0 |
| 23:49.19 | proprietarysucks | there is a gas cost (!) |
| 23:49.26 | proprietarysucks | it also fails on charge, which has no gas cost |
| 23:49.36 | proprietarysucks | let me try it on a default ability |
| 23:49.55 | proprietarysucks | energy by the way succeeds. minerals and gas checks error |
| 23:49.57 | JademusSreg | What's the script code? |
| 23:49.59 | proprietarysucks | haven't tried the others |
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| 23:50.27 | JademusSreg | Because Cost.Gas definitely isn't right. |
| 23:50.57 | proprietarysucks | UIDisplayMessage(PlayerGroupAll(), c_messageAreaSubtitle, StringToText(FixedToString(libNtve_gf_CostOfAbility("Storm", "Gas"), c_fixedPrecisionAny))); |
| 23:51.08 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 23:51.26 | MoonEater | looks like a string |
| 23:51.29 | MoonEater | barks like a string |
| 23:51.37 | MoonEater | u should edit it on a previous line |
| 23:52.17 | proprietarysucks | ?? |
| 23:52.36 | MoonEater | on a previous line do a junk data check |
| 23:52.44 | proprietarysucks | how? |
| 23:53.14 | MoonEater | add an if(valid string thats a number and can be used){ use} |
| 23:53.14 | MoonEater | XD |
| 23:53.56 | JademusSreg | Tried Cost[0].Gas? |
| 23:54.11 | proprietarysucks | just using gui |
| 23:54.18 | proprietarysucks | optoins are Gas, Minerals, Energy, etc |
| 23:54.45 | proprietarysucks | ok let me try this.. just setting a fresh Real var to the cost of a default ability |
| 23:55.04 | JademusSreg | Yeah, but Effect Target abilities are multilevel, so their costs are multilevel, which is to say an array. |
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| 23:56.54 | proprietarysucks | yeah still fails |
| 23:57.11 | proprietarysucks | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.11 | proprietarysucks | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.20 | JademusSreg | I didn't mean input that into the same function you're using, haha. Catalog. |
| 23:57.46 | proprietarysucks | yeah, I know, just annoyed that no one bothered to see if this action even works before adding it to the release |
| 23:58.24 | JademusSreg | It works, it just makes faulty assumptions about the input it's receiving. =D |
| 23:58.46 | JademusSreg | The code for libNtve_gf_CostOfAbility is comical. |
