| 00:02.33 | Lusia | too bad there are no tutorials for my problem :( |
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| 00:40.36 | ZandoseAFK | hello |
| 00:49.06 | Zandose | question. when you lower the terrain their is a fog. how do i completely remove it? |
| 01:07.50 | Zandose | fixed |
| 01:08.24 | Zandose | anyone know why when you view the underside of a unit in-game the unit becomes grayed out? |
| 01:11.32 | Zandose | and never mind again. i figured it out. |
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| 01:22.28 | JademusSreg | Zoop/ |
| 01:25.45 | Zandose | ¿ |
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| 01:26.06 | EntityEnigma | AAAW YEEEAH |
| 01:26.16 | EntityEnigma | I GOT SOMETHING TO WORK |
| 01:26.29 | JademusSreg | Congrats. |
| 01:26.29 | EntityEnigma | AND it looks good |
| 01:26.46 | EntityEnigma | ty ty |
| 01:26.59 | EntityEnigma | im gonna take a screen shot and show it of |
| 01:27.01 | EntityEnigma | off* |
| 01:27.03 | EntityEnigma | :D |
| 01:27.33 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:28.03 | Zandose | now im all excited and want to know |
| 01:28.19 | JademusSreg | I'm indifferent but curious and friendly. |
| 01:28.30 | Zandose | ^ |
| 01:30.14 | Zandose | in triggers can i alter a actor/models animation speed? i want a the model Guardian Shield animation to play slower and last longer |
| 01:31.01 | EntityEnigma | Well I hope you guys dont find it disappointing |
| 01:31.04 | EntityEnigma | im proud of it |
| 01:31.05 | EntityEnigma | http://i.imgur.com/sHF3SKb.jpg |
| 01:31.19 | JademusSreg | Zan, yes, it's possible. |
| 01:31.31 | Zandose | you got the unit to function properly with data? |
| 01:31.40 | EntityEnigma | i guess its not THAT special but it is the first custom model ive been able to do |
| 01:31.51 | JademusSreg | Ah. congrats. |
| 01:31.55 | Zandose | oh, you make a model |
| 01:32.10 | EntityEnigma | er its a texture swap |
| 01:32.11 | Zandose | im impressed because i cant do it |
| 01:32.12 | EntityEnigma | to be precise |
| 01:32.17 | Zandose | i canty do that either lol |
| 01:32.23 | JademusSreg | For a moment I thought it was a Cerberus soldier from MassEffect. |
| 01:32.31 | EntityEnigma | heh |
| 01:32.56 | EntityEnigma | nice |
| 01:34.04 | Zandose | ok, so how do i a models animation slower and/or last longer? |
| 01:34.15 | Zandose | ok, so how do i make a models animation slower and/or last longer? |
| 01:35.21 | JademusSreg | So you're trying to make Guardian Shield animate slower? |
| 01:35.42 | Zandose | yes and last longer. it seems to turn itself off after about 25 seconds |
| 01:36.12 | JademusSreg | Yeah, classic issue. |
| 01:36.24 | JademusSreg | And which dependencies are you using? |
| 01:37.30 | Zandose | liberty (mod), Liberty Multi (mod), and GAx3 |
| 01:39.29 | JademusSreg | Multi automatically includes liberty. =D |
| 01:39.48 | Zandose | eh |
| 01:40.20 | JademusSreg | Anyway, there are ways of making certain it plays long as you like,. |
| 01:41.59 | Zandose | im dieing to know... |
| 01:41.59 | JademusSreg | So do you want it to play slower -or- do you want it to play and not stop after n seconds? |
| 01:42.20 | Zandose | both |
| 01:42.34 | Zandose | i want the animation to be slower and for it to never end |
| 01:42.56 | JademusSreg | And is there any reason you can't make this change from the data? |
| 01:43.34 | Zandose | i design my stuff in triggers and its much easier to use one function for all the models i need |
| 01:43.59 | JademusSreg | Alright. That complicates things a bit, but it should still be doable. |
| 01:44.13 | Zandose | are you thinking catagories? |
| 01:44.26 | JademusSreg | Dunno what you mean. |
| 01:44.43 | Zandose | catalogs never mind then |
| 01:44.47 | JademusSreg | I'm determining which approach to use by understanding the parameters. |
| 01:44.52 | Zandose | i see |
| 01:45.35 | Zandose | heres my current trigger http://pastebin.com/waUgcsm0 |
| 01:47.45 | JademusSreg | Not sure why you'd want to crank up anim time scale, as that would make it run faster. |
| 01:48.05 | Zandose | i was just testing. i have no idea what it does |
| 01:50.12 | JademusSreg | I reiterate this is much better done via data. |
| 01:50.31 | JademusSreg | For a particular reason, |
| 01:51.41 | JademusSreg | Since actors can have events, they respond more precisely to their own asynchronous stuff than triggers can hope to, as they at best approximate. |
| 01:52.30 | Zandose | understood but i need the flexability of triggers for my map |
| 01:54.26 | JademusSreg | Via data, this would be solved with an event that responds to a timer or animation state, and then sets the animation offset to skip the initial expansion part of the animation. |
| 01:55.16 | Zandose | hmm |
| 01:55.42 | JademusSreg | Instead, you'd need to periodically set the animation offset of the actor with an AnimationSetProgress message. |
| 01:55.52 | JademusSreg | Actually, there's an ancient post on this very topic. |
| 01:56.01 | Zandose | so i can just make a trigger which should create the model again and jump forward to skip the birth part |
| 01:56.01 | JademusSreg | However, there are other possible solutions. |
| 01:56.13 | Zandose | hmm |
| 01:57.24 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/SentryShieldBubble.m3 |
| 01:57.54 | Zandose | someone made a custom model to fix the problem? |
| 01:58.06 | JademusSreg | Import that to the map, move to directory Assets\Effects\Protoss\SentryShieldBubble\ |
| 01:58.31 | Zandose | ill stick to the trigger solution thank you |
| 01:58.40 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 01:58.51 | Zandose | i love me triggers man! |
| 02:00.10 | JademusSreg | Well, if you insist, but you'll need to reset the animation progress, which means a periodic/timer thread, which means you'll probably need to track the various guardian shield model actors to do so. |
| 02:00.16 | JademusSreg | Sooo have fun with all that, haha. |
| 02:00.30 | Zandose | yep |
| 02:00.32 | Zandose | simple stuff |
| 02:00.49 | JademusSreg | Horrible, dreadful, suboptimal, but it will work. |
| 02:00.58 | Zandose | just the way i like it |
| 02:01.04 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 02:04.56 | Zandose | work complete. trigger made |
| 02:06.53 | Zandose | testing and debugging.... |
| 02:07.20 | Kueken | :)() |
| 02:07.30 | Zandose | bugged... |
| 02:11.43 | Zandose | the guardian shield doesn't like to have its animation time changed |
| 02:15.34 | Kueken | I assume you speed it up, and at some point it just freezes? :) |
| 02:17.32 | Zandose | havent tried to change the animation speed yet. just trying to get it to be constantly on |
| 02:18.11 | Zandose | can't seem to make it either change its animation time to earlier or create a new model and move its animation time forward. |
| 02:20.54 | Kueken | the guardian shield bubble? |
| 02:21.14 | Zandose | yah |
| 02:21.41 | Kueken | iirc it has a couple of animations, birth, stand, death |
| 02:21.57 | Zandose | hmm |
| 02:22.06 | Kueken | if you don't want the building up part, just skip birth |
| 02:22.34 | Kueken | also animation time or speed to the same thing |
| 02:22.59 | Kueken | if you set the time to half the duration of the animation it i sequivalet to doubling the speed |
| 02:23.09 | Kueken | *is equivalent |
| 02:25.02 | Zandose | i have to go afk for a while. so ill work on this tomorrow. thank you |
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| 03:02.50 | MoonEater916 | Jade |
| 03:03.04 | MoonEater916 | or anyone who knows anything about validators? |
| 03:04.10 | MoonEater916 | kueken |
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| 03:46.02 | JademusSreg | Question rejected; refine the expression. |
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| 04:29.55 | EntityEnigma | what does it mean if you get an error message that says "Could not find texture with id" |
| 04:30.22 | Zandose | that theirs no texture |
| 04:34.20 | Zandose | if you wanted to rotate a unit and wanted to figure out which way (left vs right) is shorter how would you? |
| 04:34.47 | JademusSreg | Maths. |
| 04:35.14 | JademusSreg | Why? Wat's up? |
| 04:37.04 | Zandose | i have the current yaw/pitch of a unit, the yaw and pitch i want it to go to, but i don't know how to check if its faster for the unit to turn +/- (left/right). |
| 04:37.32 | Zandose | i use to know this one..... but forgot |
| 04:37.34 | JademusSreg | Over what duration will it be turning? |
| 04:38.18 | Zandose | +/- 1 (the turn rate can change) |
| 04:38.33 | JademusSreg | So the rate is variable? |
| 04:39.03 | Zandose | yes. a unit can get upgrades for a higher turn rate and other units have their own turn rates. |
| 04:39.18 | Zandose | brb 2 min. need beer |
| 04:41.24 | Zandose | back |
| 04:41.29 | JademusSreg | Alright, but something doesn't seem quite right. Turning +45 should have the same turn rate as -45, and the game shouldn't have an issue such direct operations. |
| 04:42.47 | Zandose | correct |
| 04:42.51 | JademusSreg | If facing is 345, -45 will be 300 and +45 will be 30. I see no issue. |
| 04:42.59 | Zandose | hmm |
| 04:44.23 | Zandose | 180 +/- 45 = 135/225 |
| 04:44.31 | Zandose | hmm |
| 04:45.58 | Zandose | example: my unit is facing 320 yaw and needs to turn to 90. how do you check if its faster to turn which way |
| 04:46.15 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 04:47.07 | Zandose | 320 + 130 = 450(-360) or 320 - 230 = 90 |
| 04:47.53 | Zandose | just thinking. ijnore that^ |
| 04:48.29 | Zandose | ah |
| 04:49.02 | JademusSreg | 320-90=230; 360-320=40; 40+90=130 |
| 04:49.03 | JademusSreg | Sooo |
| 04:49.28 | Zandose | current facing (320) - end facing (90) = 230, if > 180 turn other direction |
| 04:54.48 | Zandose | well that should fix that problem |
| 04:55.53 | Zandose | what should i do next |
| 04:58.20 | Zandose | has anyone already made a interface using dialogs which you can use the mouse to click controls? |
| 04:58.45 | JademusSreg | Cannot parse question; try again. |
| 05:00.15 | Kueken | now Jade turned into full AI mode |
| 05:00.33 | Zandose | im not sure how to explain it. hmm |
| 05:01.09 | Kueken | EntityEnigma: Thats pretty much the default error message, you get it for a bunch of different errore |
| 05:01.11 | Kueken | *s |
| 05:01.20 | JademusSreg | was programmed to feel, but found the experience distasteful. |
| 05:01.39 | Kueken | yeah, sucks, doesn't it? |
| 05:01.39 | Zandose | for instance: you create a circle/dot in the center of the screen using a dialog. now you can use the mouse to click and drag the dot up, down, left, or right to cause the players camera to turn in that direction. |
| 05:01.51 | EntityEnigma | i got the deffusemap for ghost to work on spectre model |
| 05:01.59 | EntityEnigma | but cant seem to get anything else to work |
| 05:02.30 | Kueken | and by "anything else" you mean different textures on the same model? or different models |
| 05:02.31 | JademusSreg | Zan, too many assumptions? I've never needed to do that. |
| 05:02.45 | EntityEnigma | different textures on same model |
| 05:03.14 | Kueken | there are a few limitations |
| 05:03.31 | Kueken | you cannot use the same texture file multiple times on the same model |
| 05:03.33 | Zandose | ok. i guess ill go make it |
| 05:03.46 | Kueken | not even when you define multiple texture objects for it |
| 05:04.02 | Kueken | you cannot use the same slot multiple times as well |
| 05:04.21 | EntityEnigma | im not trying to use the same texture again |
| 05:04.41 | Kueken | okay, then post the current XML data of the model |
| 05:04.56 | EntityEnigma | wait so if you fill the main slot with a diffuse texture you can still add emissive and specular textures to that slot right? |
| 05:05.27 | JademusSreg | Ent, would it help to see examples? |
| 05:05.39 | Kueken | if you use the main.diffuse slot, you can still use main.emissive and main.specular, yes |
| 05:05.42 | EntityEnigma | yeah it might |
| 05:05.49 | EntityEnigma | ok |
| 05:06.00 | Kueken | oh yes, I didn't send you the non-HotS map yet, did I? |
| 05:06.12 | EntityEnigma | nay |
| 05:06.14 | JademusSreg | Ent doesn't have HotS? |
| 05:06.19 | EntityEnigma | :( |
| 05:06.38 | Kueken | https://www.dropbox.com/s/z09tx015rt6t7f6/TextureSwap.SC2Map |
| 05:06.43 | Kueken | that should be WoL |
| 05:06.43 | EntityEnigma | aight ty |
| 05:07.09 | Zandose | can you do textureswap purely through triggers? |
| 05:07.22 | Kueken | but if it works for the diffuse of the spectre already, it probably won't help you, since all it does is swap the diffuse of a marine |
| 05:07.44 | Kueken | Zandose: you can swap with triggers, but only if you set up model and texture in data |
| 05:08.16 | EntityEnigma | heres what my spectre looks like atm kuek http://i.imgur.com/sHF3SKb.jpg |
| 05:08.46 | Kueken | oh, the testmap broke, when I deleted the HotS dependency, apparently |
| 05:08.48 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 05:08.53 | Zandose | can you swap in a random texture or does the texture data need to predefined in data? |
| 05:09.04 | EntityEnigma | oh |
| 05:09.10 | Kueken | zandose: 2nd |
| 05:09.18 | Zandose | k |
| 05:12.18 | Kueken | EntityEnigma: https://www.dropbox.com/s/z09tx015rt6t7f6/TextureSwap.SC2Map |
| 05:12.21 | Kueken | next try :D |
| 05:12.24 | EntityEnigma | ok thx |
| 05:12.48 | Kueken | did you post the XML data already? |
| 05:13.48 | Zandose | is a portrait a dialog? |
| 05:14.30 | EntityEnigma | I think this ones broken too |
| 05:14.38 | EntityEnigma | just a big red marine in the middle of the map |
| 05:14.42 | Kueken | exactly |
| 05:14.51 | Kueken | swapped the diffuse with red.dds |
| 05:15.09 | Kueken | Zandose: no |
| 05:15.09 | EntityEnigma | oh |
| 05:15.17 | Kueken | but you can make a portrait dialog item |
| 05:15.26 | EntityEnigma | ok ill take a better look |
| 05:15.31 | EntityEnigma | oh |
| 05:15.48 | EntityEnigma | whats portrait dialog item |
| 05:16.00 | Kueken | a portrait, thats also a dialog item |
| 05:16.15 | EntityEnigma | ok |
| 05:16.22 | Zandose | k |
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| 05:28.22 | Kueken | EntityEnigma: Still waiting on that XML data :p |
| 05:28.27 | Kueken | or did you fix it |
| 05:34.57 | MoonEater916 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.01 | MoonEater916 | im in trouble |
| 05:43.36 | Kueken | MoonEater916: ? |
| 05:45.42 | JademusSreg | With the law. |
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| 05:46.16 | MoonEater916 | no |
| 05:46.17 | MoonEater916 | 1 sec |
| 05:46.19 | MoonEater916 | playing |
| 05:47.44 | JademusSreg | http://youtu.be/U7rv0xWVgZU?t=38s |
| 05:50.07 | Kueken | that contradicts with the assumption that you don't have feelings |
| 05:50.48 | JademusSreg | Oi, here's something I don't know: are disabled behaviors (such as by a validator) counted by requirements? |
| 05:52.04 | Kueken | last time I checked |
| 05:52.12 | Kueken | not by requirement, yes by trigger |
| 05:52.27 | JademusSreg | Only concerned with requirements. |
| 05:52.31 | Kueken | that was a couple of patches ago though |
| 05:53.00 | MoonEater916 | validators arnt working right |
| 05:53.11 | MoonEater916 | im trying to figure it out but i cant |
| 05:53.11 | JademusSreg | They are, Moon. |
| 05:53.11 | MoonEater916 | i have an applied |
| 05:53.13 | MoonEater916 | behavior |
| 05:53.18 | MoonEater916 | that increases regen |
| 05:53.21 | MoonEater916 | via effects |
| 05:53.22 | MoonEater916 | and |
| 05:53.29 | MoonEater916 | it doesnt turn off at full health |
| 05:53.41 | MoonEater916 | and i cant figure out what im doing wrong with the remove validator |
| 05:54.08 | JademusSreg | Life < 100% |
| 05:54.29 | Kueken | what she said |
| 05:55.31 | MoonEater916 | i tried |
| 05:55.33 | MoonEater916 | nto working |
| 05:55.39 | MoonEater916 | used the existing ones as moddel |
| 05:55.53 | Kueken | xml data |
| 05:55.57 | JademusSreg | Paste it. |
| 05:56.03 | Kueken | now! |
| 05:56.04 | MoonEater916 | in a sec i will |
| 05:56.06 | JademusSreg | Not with craft paste, preferably. |
| 05:56.23 | Kueken | do I need to google that again? |
| 05:56.29 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 05:56.58 | Kueken | so it is what the context indicates? |
| 05:56.58 | JademusSreg | I refer to the chunky adhesive goo young children employ in their creative projects. |
| 05:57.25 | Kueken | concrete |
| 05:57.27 | Kueken | :D |
| 05:57.31 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 06:14.01 | MoonEater916 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.15 | MoonEater916 | i dont think its worth paste bin |
| 06:14.25 | JademusSreg | < |
| 06:14.35 | MoonEater916 | http://pastebin.com/g3zuJevC |
| 06:14.42 | JademusSreg | This sign means Less Than. As in a<b |
| 06:14.44 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 06:15.06 | MoonEater916 | yes |
| 06:15.16 | MoonEater916 | oh |
| 06:15.25 | MoonEater916 | no |
| 06:15.28 | MoonEater916 | im using equal |
| 06:15.32 | JademusSreg | Also, is this the caster or target? |
| 06:15.37 | MoonEater916 | health must be 100%? |
| 06:16.01 | MoonEater916 | see im abit confused about caster and targer |
| 06:16.23 | JademusSreg | I'll assume caster is fine. |
| 06:16.32 | JademusSreg | Try this. |
| 06:16.44 | JademusSreg | Go to the validator tab. |
| 06:17.07 | MoonEater916 | .. |
| 06:17.10 | JademusSreg | Type casterlife into the search filter. |
| 06:17.30 | MoonEater916 | tried those |
| 06:17.44 | JademusSreg | See: Caster Life Not Full |
| 06:17.49 | MoonEater916 | oh |
| 06:17.52 | MoonEater916 | not fujll |
| 06:17.54 | JademusSreg | Use that. |
| 06:18.08 | JademusSreg | Don't even need to make one, because that is already a thing that exists. |
| 06:18.14 | MoonEater916 | yes |
| 06:18.18 | MoonEater916 | i was using full |
| 06:18.18 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 06:18.18 | MoonEater916 | XD |
| 06:18.26 | MoonEater916 | puts on dunce hat |
| 06:18.38 | JademusSreg | Now go back to the behavior and read the tooltip for the Validator field. |
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| 06:28.44 | Kueken | ...or just don't, it is just frustrating |
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| 06:37.57 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 06:42.51 | JademusSreg | bbl |
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| 07:22.48 | EntityEnigma | oh god |
| 07:22.59 | EntityEnigma | i didnt realize that was directed to me |
| 07:23.28 | EntityEnigma | im not familiar with xml at al |
| 07:23.29 | EntityEnigma | all* |
| 07:23.51 | EntityEnigma | where do i get it from |
| 07:26.48 | EntityEnigma | did you want some data from the texture practice map im working on? |
| 07:29.38 | Kueken | EntityEnigma: Just thought you still had problems with your spectre |
| 07:29.56 | Kueken | so i wanted to check your model configuration |
| 07:30.09 | EntityEnigma | yeah i think that would be a good idea |
| 07:30.16 | EntityEnigma | how can i get that data to you |
| 07:30.28 | Kueken | data editor -> model tab |
| 07:30.55 | Kueken | then enter XML view (ctrl + 3) |
| 07:31.17 | Kueken | you will probably see a shitload of text |
| 07:31.48 | Kueken | see it? |
| 07:31.58 | EntityEnigma | yes |
| 07:32.12 | EntityEnigma | which part do you want |
| 07:32.15 | Kueken | search for your model |
| 07:32.36 | Kueken | should be <CModel id="Spectre"> |
| 07:32.40 | Kueken | something like that |
| 07:33.08 | Kueken | copy&paste everything between that tag and the next closing tag </CModel> |
| 07:33.41 | EntityEnigma | ok let me take a look |
| 07:33.42 | Kueken | and please paste it to pastebin or something |
| 07:33.48 | Kueken | not directly in the chat |
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| 07:47.12 | Kueken | EntityEnigma: no, it doesn't have to be the same as the material folders |
| 07:47.48 | Kueken | in the texture declarations, you only declare each texture file you want to use once |
| 07:47.50 | EntityEnigma | so i only need 1 of each diffuse specular emissive etc? |
| 07:47.55 | EntityEnigma | oh |
| 07:48.31 | Kueken | not sure if thats causing your issues |
| 07:48.33 | Kueken | could be |
| 07:49.05 | Kueken | other than that, model setup looks fine and should work |
| 07:49.42 | Kueken | I assume, your texture objects use main.diffuse and main.emissive as slots respectively? |
| 07:49.52 | EntityEnigma | correct |
| 07:50.01 | Kueken | and you added the actor message for both of them? |
| 07:50.17 | EntityEnigma | yeah but let me try it again |
| 07:50.39 | Kueken | (and both texture objects link to a valid texture file path? ;) ) |
| 07:52.01 | EntityEnigma | what part of the process is that |
| 07:52.21 | EntityEnigma | the file field in the texture object? |
| 07:52.33 | Kueken | yes |
| 07:53.18 | EntityEnigma | i just chose the file paths from the browser |
| 07:53.21 | EntityEnigma | they should be valid |
| 07:53.59 | EntityEnigma | i tried to give him hybrid emissive textures but the whole model turns pinkish red |
| 07:54.05 | Kueken | just making sure, you mentioned before that you didn't set them at all, because you didn't know about the field :) |
| 07:54.12 | EntityEnigma | i can see the texture beneath it though |
| 07:54.20 | EntityEnigma | ah |
| 07:54.31 | Kueken | oh well, in this case it worked most likely |
| 07:54.45 | EntityEnigma | ill try runing the map |
| 07:55.05 | Kueken | models use different settings for the textures and expect the textures to be set up differently |
| 07:56.17 | EntityEnigma | damn its still glowing pink in game |
| 07:56.28 | Kueken | for example many terran models need fully colored emissives, but most protoss models need their emissives to be fully transparent |
| 07:56.35 | EntityEnigma | is it because the texture map doesnt fit the model? |
| 07:56.43 | Kueken | yes, sort of |
| 07:56.53 | EntityEnigma | hmm |
| 07:57.23 | EntityEnigma | ok so i should look for fully colored texture maps for emissives for this guy |
| 07:57.24 | Kueken | you can check my texture testmap to apply various textures to a ton of models quickly |
| 07:57.32 | Kueken | to see how they look like: |
| 07:57.33 | Kueken | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/texture-swap-testmap/ |
| 07:57.38 | EntityEnigma | ok |
| 07:57.41 | EntityEnigma | oooh yeah |
| 07:58.07 | Kueken | problem is, in the editor you cannot separate between a fully transparent or a fully black texture |
| 07:58.08 | EntityEnigma | there are quite a lot of emissives that dont work on spectre models i remember |
| 07:58.09 | EntityEnigma | :( |
| 07:58.14 | EntityEnigma | ah |
| 07:58.15 | Kueken | both will look black |
| 07:58.25 | EntityEnigma | aah |
| 07:58.32 | EntityEnigma | ok |
| 07:58.41 | Kueken | but one will make a protoss unit glow in team color, the other will make it not emit any light |
| 07:59.27 | EntityEnigma | ok well i should be able to find a suitable texture with this information |
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| 08:22.34 | Zolden | Kueken hey, do you know how to reference attached actor from main actor? |
| 08:22.59 | Kueken | data or trigger? |
| 08:23.03 | Kueken | well, yes |
| 08:23.21 | Zolden | you just offended me with this question |
| 08:23.24 | Kueken | :D |
| 08:23.37 | Zolden | I can reference it by name, so it's there, in the scope, just wanna know its allias name |
| 08:23.44 | Kueken | it was a pretty pointless one as well, since I know it for both |
| 08:24.13 | Kueken | an actor has no alias unless it inherits one from its parent or you define one |
| 08:24.25 | Kueken | check the alias field |
| 08:24.41 | Kueken | for unit actors, it has _selectable and _unit by default |
| 08:24.47 | Zolden | what's generic name for shit like "::Sender" |
| 08:24.50 | Kueken | your attachent actor most likely has nothing |
| 08:25.04 | Kueken | you can use your own alias, like _attachment |
| 08:25.14 | Zolden | my attached actor has defined allias. Can we reference it by that name? |
| 08:25.21 | Kueken | yes |
| 08:25.27 | Zolden | oh, cool, lemme try |
| 08:25.56 | Kueken | if you have attached multiple actors with the same alias, you can use that to send messages to all those attachments at once |
| 08:26.38 | Zolden | yea, and it's the case |
| 08:26.54 | Kueken | the :: references are dependent on the situation |
| 08:27.14 | Kueken | stuff like ::Main will always reference the main actor of the scope |
| 08:27.19 | Kueken | most likely the unit |
| 08:27.59 | Kueken | ::Sender refers to the Signal actor message afaik, not sure if it references the sender of any actor message |
| 08:28.27 | Kueken | it didn't work with all actor messages when I tried it, however with Signals it worked properly |
| 08:29.01 | Zolden | I mean if in conversation we want to name the approach where we use names with ::, how do we call this way of calling actors? |
| 08:29.30 | Kueken | :: are references |
| 08:29.34 | Zolden | ok |
| 08:29.36 | Kueken | _ is alias |
| 08:30.24 | Zolden | it's about this model, I want attachments to drill on attack http://i.snag.gy/X4yWM.jpg |
| 08:30.46 | Kueken | so the drills are separate models? |
| 08:31.20 | Zolden | yea |
| 08:31.27 | Kueken | I figure you could do something like this in max easily :) |
| 08:31.31 | Kueken | ok |
| 08:31.43 | Zolden | it wasn't easy, model got fucked |
| 08:31.56 | Zolden | i could attach them yes, but I was about to edit model deeper |
| 08:31.59 | Kueken | you could just use a custom alias like _Drills and send an AnimPlay etc |
| 08:32.00 | Zolden | and it got fucked |
| 08:32.02 | Kueken | you get the idea |
| 08:32.13 | Zolden | wow |
| 08:32.17 | Zolden | custom allias |
| 08:32.20 | Zolden | it's jsut great |
| 08:32.48 | Zolden | i like editor with every feature I get acknowledge |
| 08:32.58 | Kueken | :) |
| 08:38.20 | Zolden | ok, it worked with a custom alias |
| 08:39.00 | Zolden | but still calling it by reference seems more universal and thus prefereable |
| 08:42.12 | Kueken | there is no generic reference for usual attachments |
| 08:42.28 | Kueken | so you would need to make them create a reference |
| 08:43.40 | Kueken | you would do so by using the ReferenceSet actor message on the drill |
| 08:43.55 | Kueken | something like "RefSet ::Drill ::Self" |
| 08:44.02 | Kueken | stupid smiley |
| 08:44.21 | Kueken | RefSet :: Drill ::Self |
| 08:44.41 | Kueken | then you can reference the drill with the ::Drill reference |
| 08:44.48 | Kueken | >.< |
| 08:44.54 | Zolden | lol |
| 08:45.03 | Kueken | however, that doesn't make much sense |
| 08:45.08 | Zolden | it doesn't make smiles in my client from : and D |
| 08:45.17 | Kueken | ok |
| 08:45.21 | Kueken | it does in mine |
| 08:45.52 | Torhal | Smiles must die when you're dealing with code. |
| 08:46.08 | Kueken | anyway, creating a reference is pretty much pointless, if you can use an alias instead |
| 08:46.15 | Zolden | you're one step away from chinese who even have draw editor to immediately send images |
| 08:46.35 | Kueken | using references in general can be nice, if applicable |
| 08:46.51 | Kueken | but in this case, I feel using the alias is just more practical |
| 08:47.44 | Zolden | yea, it's practical |
| 08:47.56 | Zolden | saved me 2 events in my actors |
| 08:48.19 | Zolden | *in main actor |
| 08:48.45 | Zolden | lol, it's funny how i focus on music while typing, and fingers type wrong shit |
| 08:49.22 | Kueken | you type the lyrics? so you are listening to a song about actors? :D |
| 08:49.55 | Zolden | song is actor of real feelings |
| 08:51.04 | Kueken | custom aliases are great, if you tend to work with tons of helper models like me |
| 08:51.42 | Kueken | that way you can send a single invisibility message to _hidden |
| 08:51.43 | Zolden | they work within the scope, right? |
| 08:52.00 | Kueken | generally yes |
| 08:54.44 | Zolden | you seem to know so much |
| 08:54.56 | Zolden | maybe you even know why we use DU_WEAP kind of damage? |
| 08:55.46 | Kueken | seen that before |
| 08:56.06 | Kueken | no idea what it is good for |
| 08:57.36 | Kueken | also, penis |
| 08:57.38 | Zolden | yea |
| 09:00.05 | Zolden | do you face this sometimes: when you create an abil and go to cost+ and create an entry, it doesn't autocreate the link |
| 09:00.33 | Zolden | sometimes it autocreate a random wrong link (from other unit) |
| 09:00.51 | Zolden | then you remove the entry and create again, and then it's correct |
| 09:03.35 | Kueken | our house seems to be dismantled |
| 09:03.40 | Kueken | judging by se sounds |
| 09:03.42 | Kueken | *the |
| 09:06.38 | Zolden | are you living in apartment? |
| 09:08.16 | Kueken | yes |
| 09:10.26 | Zolden | oh, I used to the fact that non-russian ppl live in separate houses |
| 09:10.39 | Zolden | probably it only concerns americans |
| 09:11.08 | Zolden | old world doesn't have so much terrain |
| 09:11.57 | Kueken | there is a lot of terrain, its just the stupid habit of clumping up in one place :) |
| 09:13.38 | Zolden | also, germany is also rather nothern country, so 1cm veneer walls houses wouldn't work like it works in usa and makes them affordable for masses, which stimulates mass buildings |
| 09:14.21 | Zolden | for example, LA on google maps looks like a leave becasue of those houses spam |
| 09:15.17 | Kueken | yeah, those houses where you can push people through walls if you are not careful, and they fly away from a small hurricane |
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| 09:16.24 | Zolden | and torandos not leaving debris after them, just sucking all houses and clean terrain |
| 09:17.47 | Archie_ | just wondering are there any like large projects released or being made?? like Project Vector/starcraft universe |
| 09:18.27 | Zolden | define large |
| 09:18.32 | Zolden | like lots of assets? |
| 09:18.35 | Archie_ | idk... |
| 09:18.40 | Archie_ | no like in scale |
| 09:18.41 | Zolden | or big world? |
| 09:18.44 | Archie_ | could encompass assets htough |
| 09:19.11 | Archie_ | i wonder if project vector is still being worked on |
| 09:19.16 | Zolden | is squad td large? |
| 09:19.25 | Archie_ | no... i'm talking about like uh... |
| 09:19.30 | Archie_ | not like a single map |
| 09:19.33 | Zolden | like rpg? |
| 09:19.35 | Archie_ | or like possibly a single map -- but ... |
| 09:19.42 | Archie_ | you know somehting not like a regular sc2map |
| 09:19.47 | Archie_ | if it is jsut a single map |
| 09:20.23 | Kueken | :D |
| 09:20.47 | Kueken | you make Jade malfunction again |
| 09:20.47 | Archie_ | you know like iirc the project vector video was in a single map |
| 09:20.51 | Archie_ | if you get hwat i mean |
| 09:21.31 | Zolden | never heard of vector project |
| 09:21.32 | Kueken | I am sure, there are still a couple of ambitious projects out there |
| 09:21.45 | Kueken | maybe not the scale of something like SCU |
| 09:21.51 | Archie_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9TeB4Zb_sw |
| 09:22.03 | Archie_ | hm, could you name some? |
| 09:22.15 | Kueken | vector was like 3 years ago right? |
| 09:22.23 | Archie_ | yeah |
| 09:22.24 | Kueken | did they release something in the meantime? |
| 09:22.28 | Archie_ | nothing |
| 09:22.31 | Archie_ | im wondering what happened to it |
| 09:22.58 | Zolden | i think if many ppl work on a project, than it's big. But many ppl have low chances to finish it |
| 09:23.04 | Zolden | so big projects are rare |
| 09:23.43 | Archie_ | hm |
| 09:24.01 | Kueken | Starmon looks pretty cool, AoS2 definitely has had a lot of competent people, SCU obviously... |
| 09:24.24 | Kueken | AoS2 is kinda stuck, though, iirc |
| 09:24.31 | Archie_ | aeon of storms 2? |
| 09:25.00 | Kueken | Aeon of Strife |
| 09:25.16 | Kueken | I worked on it for a while |
| 09:25.19 | Zolden | allegory of sickness |
| 09:25.20 | Archie_ | oh |
| 09:25.27 | Archie_ | :P |
| 09:25.40 | Archie_ | what i mean by -large project is like a sort of semi/total conversion |
| 09:25.42 | Archie_ | or multi map project |
| 09:25.44 | Archie_ | like SCU |
| 09:25.46 | NGKrush | hey!, is there a way to see ingame what area i am searching? i have a small arc and want to know exactly what i can hit from where. something like a debug thing? |
| 09:26.51 | Zolden | most of my maps are remakes of big games... but they didn't feel big because they weren't poular |
| 09:26.53 | Kueken | spawn a bunch of units, execute effect, see what you hit? :D |
| 09:27.22 | NGKrush | haha, thats actually a good idea :) |
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| 09:28.35 | Zolden | hit is temporary, you can attach a model while the unit within the search area |
| 09:29.32 | Archie__ | so when is starmon coming out |
| 09:30.12 | Zolden | never heard they referenced a release data |
| 09:30.16 | Zolden | they know they are lazy |
| 09:31.33 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 09:31.49 | Kueken | Die. |
| 09:32.39 | JademusSreg | How many sides? I prefer 10-sided die. |
| 09:33.44 | Kueken | 2 |
| 09:33.54 | Kueken | also called coin |
| 09:34.04 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 09:34.17 | Kueken | but I was referring to dying or death or whatever you want to call it |
| 09:34.29 | JademusSreg | Ah, well, these things happen. |
| 09:34.32 | Kueken | I was suggesting that your life would come to an end |
| 09:34.41 | JademusSreg | It is a near certainty, |
| 09:34.49 | Kueken | indeed |
| 09:35.05 | Kueken | I don't want it to happen now, anyway |
| 09:35.16 | Kueken | you would just make a mess in the channel |
| 09:35.27 | Kueken | and who would have to clean it up? |
| 09:35.29 | Kueken | yeah |
| 09:35.43 | Zolden | twodie is coin? |
| 09:35.52 | NGKrush | ok, new question. i want my search area to always be in the direction my unit is looking. any ideas? |
| 09:35.52 | JademusSreg | Yeah, Kueken is always cleaning up what I do not address. =D |
| 09:35.57 | Zolden | twodye |
| 09:35.57 | twodie | Zolden sup? |
| 09:36.07 | Zolden | twodie didn't know |
| 09:36.20 | Kueken | also, there are other people here who could not live without Jade, so it would start a chain reaction of eternal splatter |
| 09:37.05 | JademusSreg | Rather like barnacles inhabiting the hull of a majestic yacht. |
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| 09:37.37 | JademusSreg | NG, paste your xml, let's see if there's something awry. |
| 09:37.48 | Kueken | googles word again |
| 09:38.17 | NGKrush | <CEffectEnumArea id="PunchTestSearch"> |
| 09:38.17 | NGKrush | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.17 | NGKrush | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.24 | NGKrush | hey jade! :) |
| 09:38.55 | Kueken | please use pastebin for stuff like this |
| 09:39.17 | JademusSreg | Also, click on each data entry to skip to it, paste all that are relevant. |
| 09:40.07 | NGKrush | ok |
| 09:41.42 | NGKrush | http://pastebin.com/7QPW86VR |
| 09:42.08 | NGKrush | there is not much relevant tbh, i'm only using this searcharea that applies a dmg effect |
| 09:42.39 | JademusSreg | Missing the root effect of the effect tree, a persistent to establish a target reference. |
| 09:43.30 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 09:44.29 | NGKrush | ah, thats funny as i was working with persistants yesterday but moved to search area from your advice :) |
| 09:44.45 | Kueken | strange that a search has no facing fallback field |
| 09:45.34 | JademusSreg | Ah, remember I used search area in the first demo because the unit in question (1) doesn't face the target and (2) targets multiple units. |
| 09:45.41 | NGKrush | you would think that you'd always use that if you dont do it 360 degrees, right? |
| 09:46.09 | NGKrush | yes |
| 09:46.12 | NGKrush | i remember |
| 09:46.14 | JademusSreg | Yeah, you'll still want a search area so you punch the first target in the search area. |
| 09:46.43 | JademusSreg | You just need the persistent to provide a target reference so the effect can be oriented relative to the source and target points. |
| 09:46.51 | JademusSreg | brb++ |
| 09:46.59 | NGKrush | np |
| 09:49.25 | NGKrush | ok. i understand that. then it brings me back to the question I had yesterday about creating a persistant in front of my unit. you told me i needed to create a reference first that the persistant could then work with (not sure if i fully understood it yesterday) |
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| 09:50.45 | Kueken | persistents lckily have a facing fallback field, so it is very easy to use the orientation of the caster for its offsets |
| 09:50.49 | Kueken | *luckily |
| 09:52.17 | Zolden | does "armageddamn" sound like a combination of armageddon and an emotional reaction to it? |
| 09:52.31 | NGKrush | sure does |
| 09:53.31 | Zolden | ok... I'm just trying to guess how would movies be called if russian translation of their title would be correct |
| 09:53.44 | Kueken | fuckmargeddon? |
| 09:54.00 | Zolden | it's even better |
| 09:54.46 | Zolden | but real name is neutral "the end of the world"... but russain movie name translations are always trying to attract attention and never correct |
| 09:54.48 | Zolden | so vulgar |
| 09:55.02 | NGKrush | i remember using your fireball tutorial a while back kueken (colliding projectiles). but that uses the mousecursor to help create the persistant |
| 09:55.29 | Kueken | its easily adapted to fire in the direction the caster is looking |
| 09:56.01 | Kueken | in fact, it should be as easy as using an effect - instant ability to execute the initial persistent, instead of the effect - target |
| 09:57.22 | JademusSreg | Zol, Arma-goddamn. |
| 09:57.39 | Kueken | good one |
| 09:57.53 | NGKrush | ok. i remember doing it, but things didnt work, so i'll recreate it and see what exactly happened. |
| 09:57.55 | Zolden | JademusSreg yea, nice |
| 09:58.21 | NGKrush | i remember this old dutch film called amsterdamned, quite a nice name |
| 10:00.51 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 10:06.19 | Kueken | you just got amsterdamned! |
| 10:06.28 | Kueken | sounds perverted |
| 10:06.50 | JademusSreg | Hamster-rammed. |
| 10:07.02 | Zolden | i like when chicks are trolled http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/snova_17/42505524/307102/307102_original.gif |
| 10:08.09 | JademusSreg | Before the internet, the most commonly employed term for such an activity was "prank". |
| 10:09.09 | Zolden | internet haven't even touched our language and lifes yet, give it 1000 more years |
| 10:09.34 | Zolden | but yes, trolling is verbal |
| 10:09.51 | Kueken | expresses his explicit hate for certain expressions, like "yolo" |
| 10:10.03 | JademusSreg | It certainly has shaped language, the effect is quite fascinating. |
| 10:10.58 | Zolden | example of facinatiness? |
| 10:11.17 | Zolden | well, teens do use l o l and o m g |
| 10:11.33 | Zolden | so maybe in american language it's more actual |
| 10:12.10 | JademusSreg | And soon they will be working, driving, forgetting to vote. |
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| 10:12.27 | Zolden | like here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TYDOJt1Q0I |
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| 10:13.13 | Serashin | hi ~~ |
| 10:13.22 | ftqwoiaworf | like here for what? |
| 10:14.09 | Zolden | it was an example of how internet affects language |
| 10:14.49 | Kueken | also, penis |
| 10:14.52 | Zolden | yea |
| 10:14.58 | ftqwoiaworf | more like sms texting |
| 10:15.00 | ftqwoiaworf | not the interenet |
| 10:15.15 | Serashin | Seems like i arrived to something weird |
| 10:15.45 | JademusSreg | Silly name, twod. |
| 10:15.52 | Kueken | nah, the last few lines are pretty humane compared to the conversation before |
| 10:16.16 | Zolden | ftqwoiaworf looks like you and Serashin are neighbors |
| 10:16.27 | JademusSreg | Twod, just use /nick twod |
| 10:16.29 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 10:16.55 | Zolden | yea twod thyself |
| 10:16.55 | Kueken | or /nick coin |
| 10:17.25 | JademusSreg | Awesome. |
| 10:17.42 | Kueken | what a twoddle |
| 10:17.56 | JademusSreg | Wrong abbreviated handle, but whatever. |
| 10:18.07 | twod | twod1 imposter! |
| 10:18.32 | Kueken | imposdamn! |
| 10:18.39 | JademusSreg | Now race to register the handle with nickserve so one of you can kick the other. |
| 10:19.07 | Kueken | so you can kick someone using your nick when you registered it? |
| 10:19.13 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 10:19.13 | Kueken | didn't manage to do that |
| 10:19.16 | twod | machin will do it |
| 10:19.25 | Kueken | how do you do it? |
| 10:19.37 | JademusSreg | See: /ns help |
| 10:19.38 | Kueken | I am registered properly, to my knowledge |
| 10:20.08 | JademusSreg | Kueken Registered : May 28 17:00:08 2013 (17 weeks, 6 days, 17:19:37 ago) |
| 10:20.50 | Serashin | Guys since this chat is already irrational , and i cant seem to set my mind with logic on something i need your inspirational help . For my RTS i plan on adding a melee hero and a ranged hero for each race . problem is there is no real melee hero for Terran ( wanted use Valerian as model but he doesnt appear to have attack animation) and predator / firebat models are used for tier 1 / 2 units . Using Terratron is to flashy :x |
| 10:21.03 | Kueken | so ghost is the command I need to use? |
| 10:21.05 | twod1 | ? http://youtu.be/sxpLiQgdTI0 |
| 10:21.23 | twod | machines are demonstratively depreciatious on humnans these days http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/snova_17/42505524/313540/313540_original.gif |
| 10:22.19 | NGKrush | so, quick inbetween. i followed kuekens tutorial to try to recreate my punch skill, but it does nohing atm. am i going in the totally wrong direction with this? |
| 10:22.20 | NGKrush | http://pastebin.com/ZYHnGA6Z |
| 10:22.22 | coin | someone claim Kueken please :) |
| 10:22.41 | twod1 | well fuck that |
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| 10:23.36 | JademusSreg | Did it for ya, Kueken. |
| 10:23.37 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 10:24.18 | coin | seems to work |
| 10:25.17 | Kueken | NGKrush: So I am assuming, you use that effect chain on an Effect - Instant ability now? |
| 10:25.24 | NGKrush | yes |
| 10:26.11 | Kueken | you followed my tutorial for this? which one? |
| 10:26.30 | Kueken | that is no missile, and I am not aware of any other tutorials I made o_0 |
| 10:26.46 | NGKrush | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/17154-data-colliding-projectiles/ |
| 10:27.23 | NGKrush | no, i didnt recreate ur missile fully, just thought I'd try it the short way around |
| 10:28.14 | Kueken | is the validator for the search a valid link? |
| 10:28.51 | NGKrush | yep |
| 10:28.59 | Kueken | the target filter should be on the first effect executed by the search |
| 10:29.04 | Kueken | not the search itself |
| 10:29.19 | Kueken | the validator, I mean |
| 10:30.33 | NGKrush | ah, i dont have any validators running |
| 10:31.16 | Kueken | so the link is not valid? |
| 10:31.20 | Kueken | kk |
| 10:31.30 | Kueken | why is it in the xml data then? |
| 10:31.50 | NGKrush | no idea |
| 10:31.53 | NGKrush | didnt touch it |
| 10:32.52 | Kueken | you say it does nothing |
| 10:33.11 | NGKrush | yeah, i have a map filled with enemies and they take no damage |
| 10:33.19 | Kueken | this setup will execute the search in a distance of 10 in front of the caster |
| 10:33.39 | Kueken | in a small arc from there |
| 10:34.07 | Kueken | you probably want it to be executed at the caster instead? |
| 10:35.05 | NGKrush | i was meesing around with those numbers |
| 10:35.22 | NGKrush | but yes, directly in front of |
| 10:35.53 | Kueken | try setting the target of the search area to source point |
| 10:37.54 | NGKrush | would that be the target launch location or the target impact location? |
| 10:39.27 | NGKrush | both dont work |
| 10:40.28 | NGKrush | ah, i have it |
| 10:40.39 | NGKrush | impact location |
| 10:41.33 | NGKrush | yeah, thanks!! |
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| 10:49.02 | NGKrush | so, just so i understand how this works. i create a persistant at pos -Y in front of my unit. then I create an search area effect (of 10degrees) at that point |
| 10:49.33 | NGKrush | or is the search area created at my unit, looking at that point? |
| 10:49.40 | JademusSreg | Neighborhood had a momentary blackout. =D |
| 10:50.03 | NGKrush | always strange when that happens |
| 10:50.20 | JademusSreg | I have an idea. |
| 10:53.16 | JademusSreg | NG, I'll make a quick demo. |
| 10:53.22 | twod | alien attack? |
| 10:53.27 | twod | omg, i'm twod! |
| 10:53.30 | twod | who did this! |
| 10:53.36 | twod | Zolden |
| 10:55.40 | NGKrush | jademis, its working :) |
| 10:56.03 | JademusSreg | Too late; It Has Begun. |
| 10:56.13 | NGKrush | haha, i'm just trying to get to grips with what i did so i'll learn from it |
| 10:56.16 | NGKrush | haha :) |
| 11:04.27 | Zolden | can anyone remember a drill or close sound in sc2 or wow? |
| 11:04.52 | Zolden | scv drills are too soft for attack |
| 11:05.38 | NGKrush | is it too hard to use sounds from outside the game? |
| 11:05.51 | JademusSreg | Check the sound emitter for the WoL mar sara drill doodad? |
| 11:06.46 | JademusSreg | The WoL campaign initial missions had drills and such, I expect they'd have sound emitters for them. |
| 11:07.35 | Zolden | NG it's easy |
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| 11:20.35 | Serashin | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.07 | twod | WTF |
| 11:21.12 | twod | WHO HAVE MY NICK? |
| 11:28.51 | Zolden | Serashin what? |
| 11:29.08 | Stewox | so what do you guys think about AMD Mantle ? |
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| 11:45.14 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 11:46.41 | Kueken | JademusBack |
| 11:47.39 | JademusSreg | AMD Mantle adds some nice features, but isn't yet widely supported. Waiting to see how its adoption is handled before evaluating. |
| 11:53.10 | JademusSreg | More generally, I'm skeptical that another proprietary API for proprietary architecture contributes much to the development ecology; it would need to make a grand premiere to get any traction. |
| 11:55.40 | JademusSreg | Since it's wagon is hitched to EA's Battlefield 4, it stands a fair chance. |
| 11:55.43 | JademusSreg | *its |
| 11:56.35 | Kueken | Jademus! |
| 11:56.43 | Kueken | I am disappointed, son. |
| 11:56.44 | JademusSreg | Me! |
| 11:57.09 | Kueken | An it's its error |
| 11:57.14 | Kueken | and that from you |
| 11:57.29 | Kueken | I expected more :( |
| 11:57.59 | JademusSreg | http://i.imgur.com/P8ilx0e.gif |
| 11:59.06 | Kueken | when your neck starts eating your head... |
| 11:59.33 | JademusSreg | [Not Shown: Turtle shell] |
| 12:04.32 | JademusSreg | Hah: http://trenchescomic.com/tales/post/16115 |
| 12:05.03 | Kueken | http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/disappointed-cat-is-disappoint-23393-1252295716-93.jpg |
| 12:06.03 | A1win | that isn't cat grammar D: |
| 12:06.13 | JademusSreg | http://i.qkme.me/3q4ryv.jpg |
| 12:06.54 | A1win | this is more politically correct http://i.qkme.me/3rqp9c.jpg |
| 12:06.56 | JademusSreg | Would be difficult to find a better disappoint than Vader. |
| 12:06.59 | Kueken | delightful read |
| 12:10.14 | Bommes | So much disappointment... I approve! http://i.imgur.com/BZkGD.gif |
| 12:11.09 | JademusSreg | Looks like a less miserable Zach Galifianakis. |
| 12:11.35 | Kueken | looks like a brown santa |
| 12:14.46 | JademusSreg | Naw, looks like a canadian jesus. |
| 12:16.17 | Kueken | same thing |
| 12:18.34 | Bommes | Why is there no "What if?" xkcd today? |
| 12:18.43 | Bommes | WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY |
| 12:19.29 | JademusSreg | Makes sense, now that you mention it. Santa Claus is an eternal incorporeal sapience which possesses the bodies of canadians once each year, fusing them into a single abominable aggregate of human flesh and flannel, metabolizing their tissues to power its incredible journey across the planet. |
| 12:22.02 | Zolden | have anyone watched the new south park episode? |
| 12:22.11 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 12:22.35 | Zolden | fun, isn't it? |
| 12:23.18 | Zolden | i mean, the parallel between nsa, religion and santa claus |
| 12:23.32 | JademusSreg | Apt lampooning, |
| 12:24.06 | Zolden | you just can't stop using words i don't know the translation of, don't you |
| 12:24.58 | Kueken | yeah, he is doing that on purpose |
| 12:25.13 | JademusSreg | Not usually. |
| 12:26.12 | JademusSreg | Sometimes I exaggerate verbosity and verbiage for comedic effect. |
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| 12:29.29 | Fate_ | wanted: maptester |
| 12:30.36 | Zolden | what's the reward wor his head? |
| 12:30.45 | Stewox | I have a more optimistic opinion of the API jademussreg |
| 12:31.28 | Stewox | lemme explain |
| 12:31.48 | Fate_ | waht is API? |
| 12:32.22 | Stewox | AMD Mantle |
| 12:35.03 | Stewox | i've listened to all john carmack media interviews, quake con etc |
| 12:35.19 | Stewox | too bad AMD Mantle announcement came after this years QuakeCon |
| 12:36.30 | Stewox | and even tho Carmack doesn't jump to conclusion about praising is, he does say it is a great opportunity because AMD has their GPU tech on all consoles, so it would be quite easy to port optimization-code to PC |
| 12:37.02 | Stewox | saving a ton of time for devs, which means great portability at least in the GCN-architecture times |
| 12:38.16 | Stewox | https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/383250437916217344 |
| 12:39.15 | Stewox | point is, I don't really care about the gaming space, i care about a few games that I play |
| 12:39.33 | Stewox | maybe SC2 will support this in future, and those AAA games that are cerished |
| 12:40.26 | Stewox | if you want best performance, that's the sacrifice you need to take |
| 12:41.08 | Dustin | Application Programming Interface |
| 12:42.00 | Stewox | plus it's not even up the the API it self, you can see the driver is lightweight, so the device is detected in OS properly |
| 12:42.47 | Stewox | the biggest point is getting rid of DX, but also, getting rid of all the other stuff that is in the usual driver, so developer makes the code it needs for his own game |
| 12:44.11 | Stewox | and the performance is decided by how much effort is put into it, doesn't really matter if it's BF4 or whatever, depends on developer skill , because it's the developer that makes much of the stuff that AMD catalyst teams would do |
| 12:44.55 | Stewox | and point is jademus .... i've been hoping and following these waters so I know that there is a consensus of programmers that pressured AMD for this, not just DICe |
| 12:45.56 | Stewox | one of the biggest benefits it's that ... game developers know more than the driver teams at AMD/Nvidia, they aren't game developers, they also don't have a financial interest into making super optimizations, even if they would it's still not as good as low-level |
| 12:46.11 | Stewox | plus, such games won't be dependant on driver updates |
| 12:46.52 | Stewox | developer doesn't need to wait for AMD to release update, and bugs, crahsed beacause of GFX errors will be much less because dev has full control and can fix them self |
| 12:47.10 | Stewox | and from JC quote |
| 12:47.34 | Stewox | he said " if we applied the same low-level writting to the metal on PC, it would be significantly more powerful" |
| 12:48.26 | Stewox | bascially I don't play more than 3 games at all anymore |
| 12:48.56 | Zolden | Dustin I think it's time to unignore Stewox he's quiet as never |
| 12:49.04 | Stewox | so I can live with installing special driver to get into Mantle mode, i don't mind all the petty things, those are all acceptable sacrifices to me |
| 12:49.57 | Stewox | but I'm not sure how the heck will the driver things work |
| 12:50.32 | Dustin | I think I can live with never reading anything he types again. |
| 12:50.34 | Bommes | haha I didn't even see Dustin saying something between the ranting |
| 12:50.55 | Stewox | will the API just be integrated in catalyst drivers and you could have both loaded ? ... or maybe we'll have to reinstall drivers every time we have to switch between modes ? |
| 12:51.16 | Bommes | Stewox: Just wait and see how it turns out, makes no sense to get all excited and hyped up about new stuff before even seeing what it actually does |
| 12:51.47 | Stewox | but all those gamer/programmer noobs out there, they don't really get it, i've seen a bunch, they think API is "fancy" and they think it will only make 5% more performance which is downright ridicolous |
| 12:52.33 | Stewox | basically, it's not API's fault, it's devs, and we'll see how much DICE can optimize in time for December update ... they need to really put effort into it, so it will make a perception of the entire API better |
| 12:52.55 | Stewox | no bommes, i'm following this for years |
| 12:53.05 | Stewox | i understand and I know what im talking about |
| 12:53.26 | Stewox | the second it was announced, i knew the Revolution has come |
| 12:53.42 | Stewox | i jumped out the the seat and said "finally" |
| 12:54.33 | Stewox | most of the opinions you saw are all trying to make this seem like it's not a big deal, they spew BS when they don't even understand |
| 12:55.24 | Zolden | Bommes because 6 letters nickname is popular |
| 12:56.04 | Stewox | this is a great article here http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/30/amds-mantle-biggest-change-gaming-decade/ , much better than other mainstreams which talk about "downsides" which aren't really downsides if you are prepared to go for max perf, tradeoffs are something normal, so it's just a decision and tolerance |
| 12:56.30 | Zolden | 6 letters nickname seems to be closer then 1 letter to gaussian curve extremum |
| 12:58.17 | Stewox | if DICE get's it right ... and I believe they will definitely not squeeze everything out of GCN at all, i mean, not even close, so all I am afraid of some noobs blaming the API after they won't be impressed ... but im sure they'll be, their expecations are extremely low, the increase will definitely be like 50% |
| 12:58.30 | Stewox | but the potential is much much more than 50% |
| 12:59.27 | Stewox | im not going to say a certain percentage, but i will say that no matter what nvidia does with their steamOS linux OGL optimization or whatever, they will not stand a chance against BF4 Mantle Mode |
| 13:00.04 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 13:00.23 | Fate_ | wanted: maptester |
| 13:00.27 | Stewox | uh you'll have to go back way up to read this stuff ... |
| 13:01.02 | JademusSreg | I agree; it is a great opportunity, just remains to be seen how well the campaign goes. |
| 13:02.11 | Stewox | let's play a little game and guess how much faster will it be ... i say +75% from DX mode on the same GPU |
| 13:02.48 | Stewox | around that |
| 13:02.54 | Stewox | from 50 to 100 |
| 13:03.56 | Stewox | and R9 290 might be the next Radeon 9700 |
| 13:05.02 | Fate_ | wanted: maptester |
| 13:07.21 | JademusSreg | Fate, what, when, where? |
| 13:07.37 | Fate_ | now and EU or NA |
| 13:07.42 | Fate_ | and my map |
| 13:08.15 | Fate_ | testing modifcaltion for autobuild system and weapon change |
| 13:08.16 | JademusSreg | I can't do now, but I'll be less busy in an hour or so. Should provide time to gather more testers, as well/. |
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| 13:11.42 | Fate_ | okey |
| 13:12.07 | Fate_ | but i am pessimistic that i find many testers |
| 13:15.01 | Zolden | twodderly twods twod with a twoddy twodder |
| 13:23.30 | Kueken | now you mobbed him out |
| 13:26.02 | Zolden | *twodded |
| 13:53.18 | Fate_ | ahhhh that player community |
| 13:53.27 | Fate_ | so mapperunfrendly |
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| 14:06.05 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 14:08.07 | Fate_ | Jade i just tryed to find some testers in pubblic channels |
| 14:08.20 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that's always miserable. |
| 14:09.57 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I'll be away for a few minutes, then I can help test. |
| 14:10.08 | JademusSreg | I can spare about 10 minutes. |
| 14:10.09 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 14:10.18 | Fate_ | k |
| 14:14.30 | Bommes | I have time for 10 minutes too |
| 14:14.33 | Bommes | not much more though |
| 14:14.50 | Bommes | the faster the better :) |
| 14:15.27 | Fate_ | O.o whats with all u having so less free time? |
| 14:16.13 | Fate_ | only 10 minutes is realy not much time for a test.... |
| 14:16.44 | Bommes | yeah I know, thats why I didn't say anything in terms of helping before |
| 14:16.52 | Bommes | but if you can test in 10 minutes I can help |
| 14:17.28 | Fate_ | well 10 minutes is better then nothing... |
| 14:20.22 | Fate_ | afk |
| 14:23.43 | Fate_ | re |
| 14:23.45 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 14:24.40 | Fate_ | are we testing now jade? |
| 14:24.42 | JademusSreg | I'm perpetually busy, more or less. |
| 14:24.48 | JademusSreg | And yeah, which region? |
| 14:24.58 | Fate_ | NA |
| 14:25.22 | JademusSreg | kk |
| 14:25.46 | Fate_ | Bommer you too ? |
| 14:25.52 | Fate_ | *Bommes |
| 14:26.11 | Fate_ | im in mapster channel |
| 14:26.38 | Bommes | sec have to go na |
| 14:26.43 | Bommes | was eu |
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| 14:27.23 | JademusSreg | I'm in channel SC2Mapster |
| 14:27.34 | Fate_ | we 2 O.o |
| 14:27.50 | JademusSreg | Are you in the group channel or the pub channel? |
| 14:28.01 | Fate_ | uhm grpi think |
| 14:28.32 | Fate_ | u sure ur on NA`? |
| 14:28.35 | Bommes | im in both |
| 14:28.36 | Bommes | :> |
| 14:28.42 | Bommes | I can communicate between you 2! |
| 14:28.47 | Bommes | just say to me whatever you want to say to each other |
| 14:32.56 | Kueken | say to fate that jademus wanted you to say penis to him |
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| 14:36.55 | NGKrush | if i want to validate that a unit currently has one of my own made buff behaviours, how would i do that? |
| 14:37.24 | NGKrush | which validator type would i use |
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| 14:42.54 | juhkucgkuf | I was lost for few hours in the vortex |
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| 14:52.25 | JademusSreg | NG, validator Unit Compare Behavior Count. |
| 14:52.40 | Zolden | becasue don't fuck with motherships |
| 14:53.13 | Fate_ | jade bommes thanks |
| 14:53.24 | Fate_ | i noticed some buggs |
| 14:53.28 | NGKrush | ty! |
| 14:53.51 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/Captain%20Zealotron%20-%20Vortex.jpg |
| 14:54.05 | Bommes | Fate, Jademus wanted me to say penis to you. |
| 14:54.10 | Bommes | Kueken: Done! |
| 14:54.15 | Fate_ | O.o |
| 14:55.48 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 14:56.00 | Fate_ | Jade why woudl you to that? |
| 14:56.05 | Fate_ | WHY!!! |
| 14:56.09 | JademusSreg | [10:32:54] <Kueken> say to fate that jademus wanted you to say penis to him |
| 14:56.23 | Fate_ | that is no excuse |
| 14:56.47 | Kueken | Also, Bommes, consider it a private message |
| 14:56.56 | Kueken | so they don't find out I am behind this |
| 14:57.15 | Bommes | I'm just the messenger in this, stop giving me these complicated tasks |
| 14:57.31 | JademusSreg | Kuek, your playful antagonism is usually marginally more subtle and clever. I am disappointed by this marked decline in quality. |
| 14:57.37 | Kueken | you are a skilled messenger, are you not? |
| 14:57.55 | Bommes | stop asking the messenger questions |
| 14:57.56 | Kueken | less penis, more snarkyness? |
| 14:57.56 | Bommes | can't compute |
| 14:58.31 | Kueken | (if thats a word) |
| 14:58.37 | Kueken | snarkility? |
| 14:58.44 | Kueken | snarkism? |
| 14:58.53 | Kueken | snarkolepsy? |
| 14:59.34 | JademusSreg | Well, like Jell-O, there's always room for penis, but dick jokes are best served to break one's own self-seriousness alongside clever insight. |
| 15:00.56 | Kueken | something along the lines of "Penis or not penis. That is the question!" |
| 15:01.01 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, sophomoric humor is best paired with penetrating observations into the inexhaustable puzzle of existence. |
| 15:01.06 | Dustin|Work | This does not bode well for my penis. |
| 15:01.25 | JademusSreg | One does not simply cock into Mordor? |
| 15:02.18 | Kueken | To release restraint, how about a little knots 101? |
| 15:02.43 | Kueken | goes off, googling sophomoric |
| 15:03.13 | Bommes | A penis saved is a penis earned? |
| 15:07.02 | JademusSreg | Asshole's Corollary: One can behave like a bastard without consequence so long as one performs magnificently in one or more activities. |
| 15:07.47 | Kueken | damn, then I am doing something terribly wrong |
| 15:08.25 | Bommes | hmm |
| 15:08.30 | Bommes | what's the theorem behind that? |
| 15:08.33 | Bommes | I would like to know |
| 15:09.39 | Kueken | somehow the area or expertise I am "magnificent" (I wouldn't quite describe it that way) in, aka data editor, is not appreciated enough in real life to counteract my bastardness. |
| 15:09.40 | JademusSreg | Axiom of Reciprocal Ego. |
| 15:09.44 | Kueken | I wonder why that is |
| 15:11.58 | Ownage | I'm really confused about calatog entries with gui. How can I check to see if unit type has an ability? I get the concept that I need to iterate the AbilArray array but I'm not getting how |
| 15:12.32 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 15:13.49 | Ownage | http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/513/dbwc.png/ |
| 15:14.02 | Ownage | this is my latest attempt, but it doesn't even run |
| 15:14.18 | Ownage | aka, it doesn't find a count and even say testing |
| 15:14.22 | Kueken | very descriptive variable names :D |
| 15:15.05 | Ownage | just a test run sorry |
| 15:15.50 | Kueken | you want count of AbilArray |
| 15:16.04 | Kueken | not of AbilArray[0].Link |
| 15:16.12 | Kueken | afaik |
| 15:16.46 | Kueken | also, you use AbilArray[0], but then the loop starts at 1 |
| 15:17.30 | Ownage | ok thanks. Can you tell me how to get 'AbilArray' |
| 15:17.33 | Kueken | and it might be useful to print the count directly |
| 15:17.44 | Ownage | JademusSreg said that the other day but it doesn't give me that option |
| 15:17.45 | Kueken | how to get? |
| 15:17.51 | Kueken | just type it o_0 |
| 15:17.53 | Ownage | so I don't know what you're saying exactly |
| 15:18.10 | Kueken | oh, gui has dropdowns now? |
| 15:18.33 | JademusSreg | Own: (assume parameter string abilityType) int i; int count = CatalogFieldValueCount(catalog, entry, fieldPath, player); for (i=0; i<count; i+=1) { if (CatalogFieldValueGet(catalog, entry, fieldPath, player) == abilityType) { return true; } } |
| 15:18.44 | Kueken | galaxy script user, last time I used gui, you needed to type strings manually |
| 15:19.00 | Ownage | http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/849/h9os.png/ |
| 15:19.17 | Ownage | that's what it gives me, am I doing something wrong |
| 15:19.22 | JademusSreg | Oh, and of course you'd use the i, cast to string, concatenate for the index. |
| 15:19.28 | Kueken | jade: I do not have CatalogFieldValueCount? o_0 |
| 15:19.29 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 15:19.41 | Kueken | only CatalogFieldCount |
| 15:20.11 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/StandardGalaxy.7z |
| 15:20.54 | Ownage | see there isn't any way to say 'not link' |
| 15:21.05 | Ownage | that's the only option in the pulldown at all |
| 15:22.47 | Kueken | indeed it looks that way |
| 15:22.54 | Ownage | so should I just change that to a string with "AbilArray" as the value? |
| 15:23.07 | Kueken | then use Custom and type "AbilArray" |
| 15:28.21 | Ownage | so now it's iterating but every value it finds is nothing |
| 15:29.12 | Ownage | I wish these people would just use existing standards for things |
| 15:29.14 | Ownage | christ |
| 15:30.21 | Ownage | ok there we go, got it |
| 15:30.28 | Ownage | thanks dudes, catalog is cool |
| 15:30.35 | Ownage | gui is not :( |
| 15:30.45 | NGKrush | i'm off, thanks for all the amazing help again guys :) |
| 15:36.35 | Ownage | the index does start at 0 by the way |
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| 15:57.06 | juhkucgkuf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pb2IgHgsSk |
| 15:57.18 | Kueken | www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/58272-double-strike/ |
| 15:57.19 | Kueken | www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/58277-adept-soul-missile |
| 15:57.39 | Kueken | cryptic ability descriptions seem to be popular |
| 15:59.01 | Kueken | juhkucgkuf: you cannot send links like these when I sit in front of the computer half naked. I feel like a pedo now |
| 15:59.26 | juhkucgkuf | good damn its cold |
| 16:01.28 | JademusSreg | Twod, wat is this? |
| 16:03.35 | JademusSreg | Auto-captioning is producing more nonsense than usual, given the language difference. |
| 16:03.39 | Stewox | can I expand border with triggers to just one side ? |
| 16:04.54 | JademusSreg | Stew, it takes a region, and makes a box of it, so it depends on where your region is located. |
| 16:05.02 | JademusSreg | Assuming I understand your question. |
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| 16:14.45 | ZandoseAFK | hello |
| 16:15.03 | JademusSreg | Greets. |
| 16:15.22 | ZandoseAFK | hmm |
| 16:15.25 | ZandoseAFK | brb |
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| 16:15.54 | Zandose | better |
| 16:16.30 | Zandose | so JademusSreg do you know dialogs? |
| 16:16.41 | Dustin|Work | Nope |
| 16:16.45 | JademusSreg | I know All The Dialogs. |
| 16:16.47 | Dustin|Work | JademusSreg, has never used a dialog |
| 16:16.59 | Kueken | they are on a first-name basis |
| 16:17.04 | JademusSreg | I know more about dialogs than they know about themselves. |
| 16:17.12 | Dustin|Work | He got an STD from them |
| 16:17.14 | Kueken | so he doesn't call them dialogs |
| 16:17.15 | Dustin|Work | We'll just leave it at that |
| 16:17.32 | Kueken | but I don't know their first name |
| 16:17.32 | JademusSreg | ♥♥♥ |
| 16:17.36 | Zandose | ^so much information for such a simple question.... |
| 16:18.35 | JademusSreg | It's rather the quality of the question, acting as a magnet for comedic response. |
| 16:18.38 | Kueken | tbh, the question was pretty stupid, impossible to pass on such an opportunity |
| 16:18.56 | Kueken | yay |
| 16:18.59 | Zandose | goes to a corner and never talks again |
| 16:19.00 | JademusSreg | ♥ |
| 16:19.02 | Stewox | anyone knows how much is the limit for one map on BNET, in megabytes ? |
| 16:19.10 | Stewox | one, and total |
| 16:19.10 | JademusSreg | Zan, ask specific questions. =D |
| 16:19.29 | Kueken | we did say the exact same thing, but none of our words overlapped :D |
| 16:19.35 | Kueken | (almost) |
| 16:19.54 | Kueken | (we both said "question"= |
| 16:20.16 | JademusSreg | Stew, when you log in to the publishing tool in the editor, it will inform you with discrete values and visual guides. |
| 16:20.17 | Kueken | (and "the") |
| 16:20.25 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that was precious. |
| 16:20.56 | Kueken | our precious! |
| 16:21.01 | Kueken | the gollum twins |
| 16:21.20 | JademusSreg | Not to be confused with the Golem Twins boss from ChronoTrigger. |
| 16:21.51 | Kueken | also, as it is common knowledge, we are 2 minds inhabiting 1 ugly mother of a body |
| 16:22.36 | JademusSreg | recalls the horror/black comedy film Slither. |
| 16:22.40 | Kueken | just needs to be determined, who of us is the bad half |
| 16:22.55 | JademusSreg | Both halves. |
| 16:23.00 | Stewox | can the editor accept GIFs , or are those things integrated into models ? |
| 16:23.07 | Kueken | dr Jadekyll and kueken hyde |
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| 16:23.47 | JademusSreg | Best to use dds, but it accepts several other formats. |
| 16:24.00 | JademusSreg | I don't think gif is one of them. |
| 16:24.33 | juhkucgkuf | JademusSreg that was interesting journey through the backpack |
| 16:25.21 | Stewox | no jademus, I have shortened the top side of the playable map area because there are 2 areas on top i don't need until the final stage, but I do not want use to expand into Playable Map Area because i have shortened the left side as well which i don't want to expose |
| 16:25.34 | Stewox | we'll i guess i'll just put a custom region in that, a huge one |
| 16:26.25 | JademusSreg | Pretty much. |
| 16:27.08 | Zandose | can you use models in dialogs? |
| 16:27.12 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 16:27.30 | JademusSreg | Zol has several examples of precisely that. |
| 16:27.44 | Zandose | you have a link to them? |
| 16:27.53 | JademusSreg | I'll see if I can find it. |
| 16:28.00 | Zandose | ty |
| 16:28.30 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/50024-model-as-dialog-concept/ |
| 16:28.49 | JademusSreg | Also: http://i.snag.gy/Vup5s.jpg |
| 16:29.10 | JademusSreg | Distortion material in a dialog, lovely. |
| 16:35.14 | Zandose | i see. i most already know that stuff. im trying to do something slightly different |
| 16:37.53 | Zandose | can you not send actor messages to the actor in the dialog portrait? i need to alter it |
| 16:38.23 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 16:39.23 | JademusSreg | actorscope ActorScopeFromDialogControl (int p); actor ActorFromDialogControl (int p); |
| 16:39.52 | Zandose | "actor from dialog item" doesnt work |
| 16:40.24 | JademusSreg | Sure, certainly wouldn't work if there's no actor, haha. |
| 16:40.38 | JademusSreg | Are you familiar with all the dialog control types? |
| 16:40.54 | Zandose | probably not. i dont use dialogs normally |
| 16:41.25 | Zandose | are controls and various dialog item types? |
| 16:41.29 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/j7mx5 |
| 16:42.52 | Zandose | I created a dialog, then a dialog item, then set the model, then saved the actor to a variable, then tried a actor message. |
| 16:43.06 | JademusSreg | Dialogs are the basic frame container, and one should use as few as possible. I usually one 1 global dialog, and it supports Panel dialog controls to contain everything else, but that's just me being wonderful. |
| 16:43.31 | Zandose | i'd heards this discussion before. |
| 16:43.44 | Zandose | ive heard this discussion before. |
| 16:44.17 | JademusSreg | So dialog controls (aka dialog items in GUI) are better in every way compared to dialogs, most importantly because dialog properties are not player-instanced, and dialog control properties are. |
| 16:44.54 | JademusSreg | The line // Control types heads the list of dialog control types. |
| 16:45.10 | Zandose | yep |
| 16:45.20 | Zandose | dialog items (GUI) |
| 16:46.00 | Zandose | my trigger http://pastebin.com/m4RnTJXD |
| 16:46.02 | JademusSreg | Of these, Portrait and UnitModel (and arguably Cutscene but that's a whole other mess) definitely use actors. |
| 16:47.05 | Zandose | k |
| 16:47.13 | JademusSreg | And how similar is that to Zol's tutorial? |
| 16:48.02 | JademusSreg | And were you aware there is an Actor property for dialog controls? |
| 16:48.19 | JademusSreg | May wanna read through the list, below control types. |
| 16:48.49 | Zandose | I've used the GAx3 protraits before and altered them using actor messages. So I know a little about models in portraits. As for dialogs, I have used them before and can make a basic dialog with panels and dialog item. |
| 16:49.00 | Zandose | hmm |
| 16:49.26 | Zandose | you refering to c_triggerControlPropertyActor ? |
| 16:49.30 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 16:49.50 | Zandose | i dont use galaxy so i don't know how thats translate to GUI |
| 16:50.03 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 16:50.26 | Zandose | i assume its refering to the actor used in a dialog item |
| 16:50.47 | Zandose | yah.... |
| 16:51.01 | JademusSreg | Well, if I had to guess, I'd say the GUI action for getting/setting the dialog control properties has an Actor option in its predefined list, yeah? |
| 16:51.40 | Zandose | AH! i never noticed a dialog actor function before lol |
| 16:51.40 | JademusSreg | And you'll probably see the entire list there. Minus "c_triggerControlProperty" prefix. |
| 16:52.09 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 16:54.21 | Zandose | uh, doesnt seem to do anythign |
| 16:57.41 | Stewox | you're gonna love my map zandose, when it's done :) |
| 16:57.55 | Zandose | im very picky |
| 16:58.15 | Stewox | well not necessairly in a usual gameplay viewpoint |
| 16:58.34 | Stewox | but i can say it's not one of those dota clones |
| 17:03.06 | Zandose | can dialog item portraits not be clicked/select by the mouse? |
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| 17:20.51 | Zandose | anyone know how much space their is on the UI screen? |
| 17:22.26 | Dustin|Work | Depends on your resolution |
| 17:22.37 | Zandose | i see. no defaults? |
| 17:22.50 | Dustin|Work | Nope, UI space is completely determined by Res |
| 17:22.56 | Zandose | crap |
| 17:23.18 | Dustin|Work | I think there's an old Library that returned the current users Resolution |
| 17:23.37 | Zandose | yah i know it |
| 17:23.48 | Zandose | i thought they fixed it though |
| 17:24.22 | Dustin|Work | Not really much to fix other than adding a way to get the users current resolution |
| 17:24.41 | Dustin|Work | What are you trying to do? |
| 17:25.23 | Zandose | make a dialog move by the player clicking a mouse on it and dragging it |
| 17:25.35 | Zandose | but i need precise UI x/y data |
| 17:25.39 | Dustin|Work | I wonder if you can do like |
| 17:25.58 | Dustin|Work | Store the Dialogs initial UI position, then get the clicked UI position and then move it based on the difference between |
| 17:26.34 | Zandose | i am doing that but the dialog itself and the mouse UI layer are different i believe |
| 17:26.42 | Zandose | i've done it before but had problems |
| 17:27.23 | Dustin|Work | Well the Mouse UI should return the same as the dialog |
| 17:27.50 | Dustin|Work | I havent tested in a while though |
| 17:28.04 | Zandose | dont believe so. when i did it, the more you moved the dialog to the right of the screen their was a difference |
| 17:28.05 | Dustin|Work | Would be stupid for them to be different as that defeats it's purpose |
| 17:28.16 | Deaod | as an aside, when i glanced at the log and saw "c_triggerControlProperty", i had to read it a second time because i thought that was a class name. FUCK crappy coding standards (those of SC2 and the ones at work). |
| 17:28.35 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 17:28.53 | Dustin|Work | I don't like camelcasing usually |
| 17:29.12 | Deaod | its the hungarian notation that gets to me. |
| 17:29.55 | Deaod | with a good ide, you dont need type information in the name, because guess what: you can mouse over identifiers and see where that fucker came from. |
| 17:30.58 | Deaod | anyway, sorry for the interruption |
| 17:31.22 | Ownage | I'm having a weird error that I don't understand |
| 17:32.23 | Ownage | http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/707/c1l8.png/ |
| 17:33.24 | Ownage | that loop as far as I can tell, should be fine. it should iterate from the first to last Units entry in catalog |
| 17:34.06 | Ownage | when I run it I see this, for the first text message it shows something like 2555 or whatever, which is how many units entries it sees |
| 17:34.19 | Ownage | then I see the expected output of for example 1234 Probe |
| 17:34.28 | Ownage | then I see an error that says |
| 17:35.01 | Ownage | parameter out of bounds and that the index is 65535 |
| 17:35.45 | Zandose | does a trigger with the event "mouse moved" cause a lot of network traffic? |
| 17:36.14 | Ownage | anything mouse movement related has to query the client |
| 17:36.17 | Ownage | so yes in short |
| 17:36.19 | Zandose | k |
| 17:36.32 | Dustin|Work | You're looping through every unit entry in the catalog...hmmm |
| 17:37.27 | Deaod | have you tried taking out the wait? |
| 17:38.23 | Ownage | I added the wait to try to debug I believe |
| 17:39.01 | Ownage | trying without |
| 17:39.33 | Deaod | it can fuck with things, especially if your global variables get written by anything else while waiting |
| 17:40.32 | Ownage | this is in map init, also just tried with same error |
| 17:41.44 | Deaod | well, what gets displayed? |
| 17:41.51 | Dustin|Work | Change it to elapsed time of 1 second |
| 17:41.54 | Dustin|Work | And see |
| 17:42.24 | Dustin|Work | I've had some issues where the trigger was trying to do shit before something was loaded with map init event |
| 17:46.18 | Zandose | can you detect if a mouse selects a portrait (not a dialog portrait)? |
| 17:47.01 | Dustin|Work | Doubt it |
| 18:00.37 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 18:02.40 | JademusSreg | looks into it. |
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| 18:07.58 | juhkucgkuf | Triceron why you havent updated the current uploaded models since May? |
| 18:08.24 | Triceron | cuz I'm still workin on em |
| 18:08.51 | juhkucgkuf | hmm, so you working on everyone when having time for them? |
| 18:09.20 | JademusSreg | Zan, define "select", because a dialog control portait does not behave like a unit portrait, as you perhaps expect. |
| 18:09.22 | Triceron | i took a break in the summer, just got back this last month into modding again |
| 18:10.33 | juhkucgkuf | most of us did. Well looking forward to updated models. |
| 18:10.34 | Zandose | i just want to be able to click a portrait with the mouse, have a trigger detect it, then move the portrait itself based on where the mouse moves. |
| 18:10.54 | JademusSreg | Tri, if I may ask, any chance you're working on the lore-saturated paladin concept? |
| 18:11.17 | Triceron | Yup, still tackling away at it |
| 18:11.22 | JademusSreg | Awesome. |
| 18:11.34 | Zandose | does the games UI size match my resolution exactly? my res is 1920x1080 |
| 18:12.39 | JademusSreg | Zan, I take it the portrait doesn't respond to the dialog control click event? |
| 18:12.52 | Zandose | correct |
| 18:13.18 | JademusSreg | Also, I don't understand the question about resolution. =D |
| 18:14.07 | JademusSreg | Alright. Just need to create a dialog control which occupies the same area, one which responds to the click event. |
| 18:14.53 | JademusSreg | Tri, anyone else working with you on the project? |
| 18:19.29 | juhkucgkuf | And he fades away |
| 18:20.08 | JademusSreg | No worries. I expect Tri is a busy person like most of us. |
| 18:20.22 | juhkucgkuf | yeah like me... Not |
| 18:20.48 | JademusSreg | Have you considered smaller scale projects? |
| 18:21.49 | juhkucgkuf | No, but dont know what kind of gameplay it should contain if making it small |
| 18:21.56 | Zandose | well i must be going now. thank you all for helping me. |
| 18:21.59 | JademusSreg | Also, behold the nascent Zerg, here on earth. http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/10/in-antarctic-lake-extreme-conditions-lead-to-extreme-genetics/ |
| 18:22.47 | Zolden | this is going to be just badass http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcDmloG3tXU |
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| 18:24.50 | Triceron | stupid freezing |
| 18:25.01 | juhkucgkuf | yeah its cold outside |
| 18:25.15 | Triceron | *irc freezing |
| 18:26.09 | JademusSreg | Twod, you make what you would enjoy playing; one must start from selfish interest. My process either takes flawed gameplay I enjoy and refines it (like Troncraft:Rebirth → Photon Cycles → Photon Cycles: Virtual Drive) or takes a game concept I don't enjoy and makes it interesting. |
| 18:26.28 | JademusSreg | Tri, anyone else working with you on the project? |
| 18:26.44 | Triceron | Jade: Not at the moment |
| 18:27.55 | Triceron | I don't plan to really jump into things until I can get my hands on the Blizz Allstars models |
| 18:28.27 | juhkucgkuf | Yes I need to make The Zombie map finally. But that one requires Warcraft models at least to make it enjoyable for Eye too |
| 18:28.30 | Triceron | hopefully there'll be other things to take away from it, like spell effects |
| 18:28.51 | Zolden | juhkucgkuf not wow? |
| 18:29.01 | JademusSreg | I expect that may take some time, given that it was reannounced as a separate game a while back. |
| 18:29.04 | juhkucgkuf | Triceron making warcraft? |
| 18:29.18 | Triceron | yes, that's what worries me most |
| 18:29.32 | Zolden | Triceron effects don't consume much time |
| 18:29.32 | Triceron | that they're making it 100% separate |
| 18:29.43 | JademusSreg | What prevents one from making spell visual models? |
| 18:29.57 | Triceron | no, but it does help if they have stuff done |
| 18:30.13 | juhkucgkuf | Zolden wow models uses too many textures for one model.. its a mess. Plus some what the models arent really fit to be played in Strategy game, as Warcraft3 have they are fat gnomes and wow ones are just tall niggas |
| 18:30.39 | Triceron | nothing really. I make all the spells I need, I just figure Blizz would already be doing it with Allstars |
| 18:31.03 | Zolden | juhkucgkuf retexture fat wow models |
| 18:31.17 | juhkucgkuf | wow? |
| 18:31.25 | juhkucgkuf | they are fit and tall |
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| 18:31.31 | Zolden | some wow are fat |
| 18:32.03 | JademusSreg | Hm. Just seems like counter-motivation, waiting on BlizzDotaWarAllMobaCraftStars. |
| 18:33.27 | juhkucgkuf | . |
| 18:34.44 | Triceron | Well the thing is I'll probably be finding someone to help me do most of the data/trigger work. I want something that's accomplishable in a relatively short period of time, so I'm trying to do as much 'pre-production' as possible. |
| 18:36.36 | JademusSreg | In any case, if you should have need of a contributor and/or playfully pedantic comedic foil, I can spare some time to help with shit. |
| 18:40.40 | JademusSreg | Damn, looking over skype contacts to confirm still had you on the list, and noticed Sixen's photo; he's nearly as dapper and handsome as I, and is sporting a superior fedora. =D |
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| 18:42.02 | Triceron | ... |
| 18:42.06 | Triceron | -_- |
| 18:42.47 | juhkucgkuf | ^^ |
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| 18:43.08 | JademusSreg | Tri, you're handsome, too. You're the most handsome cat trapped in a couch I've ever seen. |
| 18:43.26 | Triceron | XD |
| 18:43.37 | Triceron | Shhh, i'm hiding |
| 18:43.47 | JademusSreg | From ceiling cat? |
| 18:44.05 | Triceron | You never know when he'll strike |
| 18:44.28 | JademusSreg | Well, it's usually while one is striking oneself, as I understand it. |
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| 18:48.31 | Triceron | theere we go |
| 18:48.43 | Triceron | no more disconnects for me, hopefully |
| 18:50.12 | JademusSreg | At this point, I imagine every visible, not-obscure server is being DDoS'd all the time. |
| 19:00.39 | Triceron | testing |
| 19:01.02 | JademusSreg | Success. |
| 19:01.06 | Triceron | woohoo! |
| 19:01.15 | JademusSreg | A winner is you. |
| 19:01.45 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 19:03.35 | Dustin|Work | I need a nap |
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| 19:27.35 | MoonEater | ive seemed to misplaced my nuke |
| 19:27.48 | Triceron | That's no good |
| 19:29.47 | MoonEater | for some reason on calldown |
| 19:29.53 | MoonEater | it doesnt show the nuke |
| 19:29.58 | MoonEater | shows the explosion and everythign else |
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| 20:02.56 | Serashin | hi ~~ |
| 20:03.48 | MoonEater | hi? |
| 20:04.15 | MoonEater | ?? |
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| 20:05.08 | juhkucgkuf | high |
| 20:05.12 | Bommes | ello |
| 20:05.18 | Serashin | nothing atm ;) , still to much to planing to present it to gain maybe some helpers for my project as i cant do triggers ;) |
| 20:05.59 | MoonEater | well like i tell people |
| 20:06.09 | MoonEater | if its a complicated question use the forums |
| 20:06.17 | MoonEater | if its a simple straitforward one use this place |
| 20:06.31 | MoonEater | ask a complicated question in here convos tend to breack down |
| 20:06.40 | MoonEater | ask a simple question in forums....wait for reply |
| 20:06.41 | MoonEater | XD |
| 20:07.00 | G0A | haha, government shutdown: http://isthegovernmentopen.com/images/obama.gif |
| 20:07.16 | MoonEater | ya i saw that |
| 20:07.21 | MoonEater | long time ago |
| 20:07.40 | Serashin | i fail to see the special part in that gif |
| 20:08.14 | MoonEater | hes the president of the US he cant get into the whitehouse which is the iconic desision making building for the us government |
| 20:09.33 | Serashin | well for me it looks like its a reapeating of 1 door , based on the exact thing displayed in the windows |
| 20:10.42 | Triceron | http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/1/4791822/valve-files-half-life-3-trademark-in-europe |
| 20:10.45 | MoonEater | ut us |
| 20:10.47 | MoonEater | it is |
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| 20:11.20 | MoonEater | i didnt find half life all that good |
| 20:11.24 | MoonEater | its all.... bleh |
| 20:11.49 | Dustin|Work | You don't have a soul then |
| 20:11.52 | Dustin|Work | :) |
| 20:12.05 | MoonEater | must be.. |
| 20:12.14 | Dustin|Work | Or you hate awesome stories. Pick one. Cause that's all it can be. |
| 20:12.51 | MoonEater | the gameplay was decent |
| 20:13.00 | Triceron | I didn't find HL series anything special either, but it has a lot of great moments |
| 20:13.01 | MoonEater | but the story left me with much to be desired... |
| 20:13.22 | Triceron | pioneer for graphics for the time too |
| 20:13.46 | Triceron | physics too |
| 20:14.04 | MoonEater | thier engine is the only one out there that gives me headaches |
| 20:14.16 | MoonEater | i adjusted the FOV but i cant get it to not hurt |
| 20:26.13 | Stewox | mooneater i've got an idea for ya |
| 20:26.21 | MoonEater | ? |
| 20:27.14 | Stewox | would you like to cooperate on a map, i've probably got one guy but not yet sure, i mentioned, he's a trigger guy, and i'll send him preview of my idea later in a JPG |
| 20:28.07 | MoonEater | i think i saw this int he forums? |
| 20:28.08 | Stewox | but i have like 5% of the terrain done ... the big point is, i have all in the head, i just need to build it, put it down on table and make it, most of my issue has been finding the right idea to have interest, because i was schuffling between 10 maps |
| 20:28.10 | MoonEater | link? |
| 20:28.20 | Stewox | no i was not yet in forms |
| 20:28.22 | Stewox | forums |
| 20:28.48 | Stewox | well i still have some finishing touches on the list |
| 20:28.56 | Stewox | i'll send you in a minute |
| 20:29.02 | Stewox | into PM |
| 20:29.09 | MoonEater | if you ahve a triggering guy u dont need me |
| 20:29.52 | Stewox | i said, i only talked to the likeminded guy, but nothing's for sure how much he'll be involved |
| 20:30.26 | Stewox | i'm looking for someone how can help make the terrain because that's the major think i need before i even start making triggers, can't make the gameplay by looking at empty map |
| 20:30.58 | MoonEater | well i cant help you much there |
| 20:31.25 | Stewox | point is, i don't have much of a choice |
| 20:31.58 | Stewox | there is absolutely no way i'll get a lot of potential for help |
| 20:32.11 | Stewox | for direct involvement |
| 20:44.35 | Serashin | im not a mapmaker , but thinking about logicaly to get help for a head idea wich has no visual presentation . and you require yourself a visual before approaching it fully is nearly impossible |
| 20:44.54 | JademusSreg | Back for a bit. |
| 20:46.51 | MoonEater | jade |
| 20:46.57 | MoonEater | for some reason |
| 20:47.03 | MoonEater | my backup didnt backup |
| 20:47.11 | JademusSreg | Orly? |
| 20:47.12 | MoonEater | and so now i have a 3 day old version |
| 20:47.26 | MoonEater | and when i pushed a earlyer image on my comp |
| 20:47.29 | MoonEater | it was lost |
| 20:47.42 | JademusSreg | So it's not in EditorBackup? |
| 20:47.56 | MoonEater | its uploaded to drop bob |
| 20:47.58 | MoonEater | box |
| 20:48.06 | MoonEater | and i push images onto my comp regular |
| 20:48.16 | MoonEater | so anything of importance is on drop box or simular |
| 20:48.45 | JademusSreg | Temporary disruption of service == catastrophe =D |
| 20:49.09 | MoonEater | right? |
| 20:49.26 | JademusSreg | Well, check %documents%\StarCraft II\EditorBackup |
| 20:49.51 | JademusSreg | Then check %install%\StarCraft II\Maps\Test |
| 20:49.57 | MoonEater | its not there |
| 20:50.00 | MoonEater | it wouldnt be there |
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| 20:50.38 | JademusSreg | Check, maybe you'll get lucky? |
| 20:50.46 | JademusSreg | Oh |
| 20:50.53 | JademusSreg | Missed the important line there. |
| 20:51.05 | MoonEater | pushing images? |
| 20:51.06 | JademusSreg | Super-shitty. |
| 20:51.12 | MoonEater | nothig is there |
| 20:51.15 | MoonEater | it used to be there |
| 20:51.19 | MoonEater | but its not anymore |
| 20:51.33 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that's the part I missed, caught it late. |
| 20:51.38 | MoonEater | right. |
| 20:51.46 | JademusSreg | Dropbox customer support? |
| 20:52.18 | MoonEater | for what? they dont have it? "HEY U FUCKERS I PAY FOR THIS FREE SERVER AND IT DIDNT BACK UP MY MAP AND NOW ITS LOST FOREVER?" |
| 20:52.46 | MoonEater | anyways im diggign around the cashe |
| 20:53.22 | MoonEater | no idea what im doing |
| 20:53.59 | JademusSreg | Paid service allows rollback. |
| 20:54.12 | MoonEater | free service does 2 |
| 20:54.41 | MoonEater | its not in drop box's version history |
| 20:54.46 | MoonEater | ive checked |
| 20:57.07 | JademusSreg | Mega-shit. |
| 20:58.50 | JademusSreg | May I suggest using multiple file sync services? Dropbox, Box, Gargle Drive, and if you enjoy revision control and shit, Git. |
| 20:59.11 | Stewox | Dropbox works with NSA |
| 21:00.34 | MoonEater | garlge... lolz ....doesnt backup well |
| 21:00.46 | MoonEater | conflicts with editor temp file |
| 21:00.49 | JademusSreg | One expects all US companies are compelled to do so, and everyone else's packets are being slurped up anyway. So that sucks. |
| 21:01.12 | MoonEater | ill move the saves to the backup drive from now on |
| 21:01.17 | MoonEater | and backup again from there |
| 21:01.22 | MoonEater | but i still need that map |
| 21:02.00 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 21:02.54 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 21:08.07 | Stewox | mooneater |
| 21:08.20 | Stewox | what if you like the map so much you would want to work on it ? |
| 21:08.35 | Stewox | i almost finished the pic |
| 21:09.59 | MoonEater | of course |
| 21:10.09 | MoonEater | but atm im trying to fix my map |
| 21:10.10 | MoonEater | lolz |
| 21:15.55 | Dustin|Work | Mooneater, Dropbox free File Versioning only works for 30 days after the file has been deleted. Other then that, if the file still exists it should have a complete historic record up to 30 days ago |
| 21:16.16 | MoonEater | it is |
| 21:16.20 | Dustin|Work | cools |
| 21:16.29 | MoonEater | was only lost for atmost 2 weeks |
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| 21:52.29 | MoonEater | JAde |
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| 21:57.09 | Ownage | given a game link or string thereof, of an ability, how can you tell if it's an instant, augment, etc |
| 21:57.36 | Ownage | trying to scrape and alter spell costs via catalog but it seems you need to know that before you can |
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| 22:33.33 | Stewox | mooneater still here ? |
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