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| 00:14.15 | Dustin | It would tell me if I hit some editor limit right? And not just stop setting variables correctly? |
| 00:27.31 | Kueken | Dustin: depends |
| 00:27.48 | Kueken | when I tested unit limit, it just stopped spawning new ones |
| 00:27.53 | Kueken | without any error message |
| 00:28.53 | Dustin | Im running with debugger on, and it's not setting this one damn variable... and not giving me any feedback, im so confused. |
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| 00:44.41 | Zandose | im having trouble finding the math function Atan2. it returns a real number right? |
| 00:45.09 | Kueken | it should. |
| 00:45.22 | Zandose | does it perhaps go by a different name? |
| 00:45.28 | Kueken | in Gui? |
| 00:45.29 | Kueken | maybe |
| 00:45.34 | Zandose | yes |
| 00:46.59 | Kueken | Arctangent |
| 00:47.34 | Zandose | ah, thank you very much! |
| 00:49.20 | Zandose | i think being drunk games mapping harder |
| 00:50.13 | Zandose | i think being drunk makes mapping harder |
| 00:50.14 | Zandose | see |
| 01:02.07 | Stewox | zandose, you heard about the people's voice ? |
| 01:02.24 | Zandose | rings a bell |
| 01:02.30 | Stewox | mhm |
| 01:02.44 | Stewox | the indiegogo david icke thing, radio/tv show |
| 01:03.17 | Zandose | nope. was thinking along the lines of free wall street, we are the 99%, peoples voice |
| 01:03.20 | Zandose | so no |
| 01:03.39 | Zandose | im also a little drunk |
| 01:03.42 | Stewox | it's a simple name |
| 01:04.12 | Stewox | http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-people-s-voice |
| 01:05.12 | Stewox | they've had half the studio done already http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTJdfB_eHjo , and it's going on air on november 18 |
| 01:05.32 | Zandose | sounds interesting |
| 01:06.34 | Stewox | indeed, this is going to be the real deal independent, better than RussiaToday, that's still russian govt run even if it's anti-nwo mostly |
| 01:07.00 | Stewox | but who knows, maybe putin's mafia is on the good side |
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| 02:30.04 | Repo | Updated wiki entry: Knowledge Base / Policy / Abandoned and Inactive Projects - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/knowledge-base/policy/abandoned-and-inactive-projects/ |
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| 03:22.19 | Kueken | It is zooping in and out of existence |
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| 08:09.36 | twiodoei | i need some formula to make price, integer change like in this picture: http://snag.gy/RzFXF.jpg |
| 08:10.13 | G0A | plot it |
| 08:11.48 | twiodoei | what? |
| 08:12.29 | bobbytables567 | Any way to keep a unit from walking "home" after being pushed? I have an apply force that pushes units around, and I want them to stay wherever they end up after the apply force is done, rather than walking back to wherever they were standing earlier. |
| 08:16.11 | twiodoei | add order to pushed unit to stop |
| 08:16.15 | twiodoei | ? |
| 08:18.10 | bobbytables567 | With Effect: Unit as Caster? |
| 08:19.05 | twiodoei | im just thinking that you can apply the issue order as the push effect on target unit to stop |
| 08:19.08 | twiodoei | but not sure |
| 08:19.19 | twiodoei | i think something on mapster forums there are info |
| 08:19.52 | twiodoei | Need formula to calcutate price: http://snag.gy/wfjNj.jpg |
| 08:20.08 | G0A | twiodoei I dont understand whats hard in that |
| 08:20.20 | G0A | make function for it |
| 08:21.35 | twiodoei | dont know how to make it work |
| 08:21.57 | twiodoei | its hard when Im bad at making those math calculations... |
| 08:24.45 | bobbytables567 | I have the stop order as Effect - Final, doesn't seem to do anything. |
| 08:26.22 | Kueken | you obviously have 4 areas to cover |
| 08:26.31 | Kueken | twiodoei |
| 08:26.49 | Kueken | each segment of your graph |
| 08:27.20 | Kueken | easiest would be a switch to cover these for their respective intervals |
| 08:27.49 | Kueken | the functions themselves are basic linear ones, so that shouldn't be too hard either |
| 08:29.00 | Kueken | bobbytables567: Check, if the effect is executed properly |
| 08:29.24 | Kueken | issue order effects need to use the correct Player, otherwise they won't have an effect |
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| 08:32.05 | bobbytables567 | Would "source" be the correct player for that? |
| 08:49.47 | Kueken | depends on your setup |
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| 08:51.16 | bobbytables567 | Oh, yeah. It's an ability that does an effect persistent which does an apply force 50 times, and the apply force acts on the caster. |
| 08:51.43 | twiodoei | Zolden: http://snag.gy/wfjNj.jpg |
| 08:52.25 | twiodoei | my head will explode from such simple task :( |
| 08:52.58 | bobbytables567 | Then after that, in the "effect - final" field is the issue order stop, inside which I've tried setting "effect: player" to source, caster, creator, none of which seems to do the trick. |
| 08:55.24 | Zolden | twiodoei do you wat me to help? |
| 08:55.40 | twiodoei | no just to watch....................................................... a bay watch! |
| 08:56.35 | Zolden | i watch, but can't understand the graph |
| 08:56.45 | twiodoei | whats not clear? |
| 08:57.34 | Kueken | bobbytables567: try, if the order effect works on its own |
| 08:57.54 | Zolden | twiodoei everything ;/ |
| 08:58.07 | twiodoei | okay you can go back to sleep |
| 08:58.14 | bobbytables567 | I'll try that. Facepalm. |
| 08:59.03 | Kueken | twiodoei: its pretty simple. Do you know how to get a linear function from 2 points? |
| 08:59.11 | Zolden | twiodoei now I understand, you wnat a formula to calculate price based on population |
| 08:59.43 | twiodoei | idk if i know.. |
| 09:00.18 | Kueken | you have 4 distinct intervals, all of which use very simple linear functions |
| 09:01.08 | twiodoei | well that is understandable |
| 09:01.42 | Kueken | you obviously need defined x values for the end points of those intervals |
| 09:01.43 | twiodoei | 0 to 50, 50 to 100, 100 to 150, 150 to infinity |
| 09:01.54 | Kueken | okay, so they are defined |
| 09:01.58 | Kueken | perfect |
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| 09:02.11 | twiodoei | the defenition is based on population requirement |
| 09:02.35 | Kueken | so your first interval is defined by the points (0,120) and (50,80) |
| 09:02.52 | Kueken | obvious, right? |
| 09:02.55 | Ownage | is there a way to snap all terrain to the grid for placement? snap to grid doesn't seem to do anything, it's still very common to be a few pixels away from gridlines |
| 09:03.36 | twiodoei | if the population is 500 then the requirement level gets 5* 3.5. if more it multiplies from requirement for that resource with population that needs for every 100 peeps |
| 09:04.13 | Kueken | ? |
| 09:04.18 | Kueken | that confuses me |
| 09:04.19 | twiodoei | start price: 40, max price: 120 |
| 09:04.33 | Kueken | so the x axis is not the population? |
| 09:04.41 | twiodoei | no |
| 09:04.52 | Zolden | x is not population? |
| 09:04.55 | twiodoei | at least not dirrect population |
| 09:05.01 | Kueken | but it is based on population |
| 09:05.13 | Zolden | it's f(population)? |
| 09:05.31 | twiodoei | well yeah it is population involvement mostly i guess.. |
| 09:05.37 | Kueken | why not use population directly? |
| 09:06.00 | Kueken | right now y would be a function of a function of population |
| 09:07.20 | twiodoei | mmm |
| 09:08.43 | Zolden | takes function of twiodoei |
| 09:09.23 | twiodoei | maybe then it should be depended on quantity of resource |
| 09:09.37 | Kueken | what resource? |
| 09:09.42 | Ownage | can you ask the original question again |
| 09:10.14 | twiodoei | resource that we getting price of |
| 09:10.32 | Zolden | there is no original questions in this world |
| 09:10.44 | Zolden | everything was aked |
| 09:10.44 | twiodoei | ownage: http://snag.gy/wfjNj.jpg |
| 09:10.55 | Kueken | I don't know of any resources or prices |
| 09:11.17 | Kueken | all the graph needs are proper x intervals for the breaking points |
| 09:11.54 | Kueken | what it actually represents is ultimatively irrelevant |
| 09:11.55 | Zolden | twiodoei your task is simple, but I can't help, because you don't provide the information I need. But the thing is: if you would provide the enough information, you'd immediately solve it |
| 09:19.50 | twiodoei | hmmm, i think it missed the period of time |
| 09:20.09 | twiodoei | in whole function stuff, calculation |
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| 09:21.24 | twiodoei | yeahhhh |
| 09:23.03 | Zolden | G0A can you imageine, fuckers stopped Infected Mushrooms concert in Moscow, after 2 songs, and all had to go home... and it was just an operation against barman who sold amphetamine |
| 09:23.24 | Zolden | why stopping the whole thing to arrest one guy |
| 09:26.06 | twiodoei | here updated: http://snag.gy/Eoe8W.jpg |
| 09:26.34 | twiodoei | so the ticks is like the amount of resource quantity will be taken out. |
| 09:27.35 | twiodoei | if the stock is lower than 4 ticks then it will give bigger price since after those consumption cycles the resouce will run out to consume |
| 09:29.10 | Kueken | as mentioned, the mechanics surrounding the ticks are irrelevant to turn the graph into a function |
| 09:29.55 | Kueken | so once again, the first interval is defined by the points (0,120) and (4,80) |
| 09:29.58 | Kueken | agreed? |
| 09:31.00 | twiodoei | i guess |
| 09:31.18 | Kueken | so all you need to do for the first interval is turning these 2 points into a linear function |
| 09:31.53 | Kueken | which in this case would be y = -10 * x + 120 |
| 09:31.55 | G0A | Zolden hehe, you were there? (btw Infected Mushroom is just getting more and more crappy) |
| 09:32.28 | Kueken | y being the price and x being the ticks obviously |
| 09:33.06 | Kueken | the second interval would be a constant |
| 09:33.14 | Kueken | y = 80 |
| 09:33.26 | Kueken | totally independent of x |
| 09:33.39 | twiodoei | ok then we need to calculate the ticks |
| 09:33.56 | Kueken | ? |
| 09:34.35 | Kueken | I thought you need a function to calculate the price from the ticks |
| 09:34.36 | twiodoei | well the time if the resource would be consumed in those ticks |
| 09:34.37 | Ownage | is it still the case that 7v7 games don't start properly in lobby? |
| 09:34.42 | Kueken | matching this graph |
| 09:35.09 | twiodoei | well since the price now understandably is depended on time |
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| 09:35.37 | twiodoei | it requires get the amount of time it will take for population to consume it all |
| 09:36.11 | Kueken | so you also need a way to calculate these ticks? |
| 09:36.27 | twiodoei | now I have a big need for that too |
| 09:36.56 | Kueken | then I am in need of more information |
| 09:37.22 | Kueken | I was under the assumption, all you needed was to turn the graph into a function |
| 09:37.39 | Kueken | suggesting the ticks are known and the price needs to be calculated from them |
| 09:37.39 | twiodoei | stock / (population / 100 * consume rate) ? |
| 09:38.04 | Kueken | so they are known? |
| 09:38.41 | twiodoei | known what? |
| 09:39.01 | Kueken | you are confusing me |
| 09:39.58 | twiodoei | im one confused fella too :P anyway seems like the problem is solved. |
| 09:40.12 | twiodoei | Thanks Kueken for you confused time :P |
| 09:40.36 | twiodoei | 2 of making it happen................. |
| 09:41.05 | twiodoei | 2h |
| 09:41.48 | Zolden | G0A I wasn't, just heard |
| 09:42.43 | Zolden | twiodoei so, you have a city, and there are goods it trades, and for each good you need to calculate price each X time? |
| 09:43.32 | twiodoei | pretty much |
| 09:43.36 | Zolden | G0A and no one cares about someone starts to make his music crappier, the amount of good music is growing, bud different bands produce it, just need to find |
| 09:43.59 | Zolden | twiodoei ok, each city has some parameters, and you base your price on the parameters, right? |
| 09:44.14 | twiodoei | y |
| 09:44.32 | Zolden | are there global parameters except time flow? or each one is local per city? |
| 09:45.29 | twiodoei | global is consuption rate per 100 pop |
| 09:46.21 | Zolden | so, you calculate it as 100 * consumed/population? |
| 09:46.37 | Zolden | is it per time period or overall? |
| 09:47.50 | twiodoei | pop / 100 * consume rate |
| 09:48.07 | twiodoei | then it calcualtes every time period |
| 09:48.23 | Zolden | do you mean consume amount under concume rate? |
| 09:48.57 | Zolden | why do you need that "100" can we get rid of it? |
| 09:50.00 | twiodoei | if we get rid of 100 then the consume rate will have to be a 100 smaller number |
| 09:50.29 | Zolden | and it will be jsut fine, we don't need something be 100 times more or less |
| 09:50.47 | Zolden | so, is it pop/soncumed or consumed/pop ? |
| 09:51.01 | twiodoei | http://snag.gy/pKTQW.jpg |
| 09:51.21 | twiodoei | pop / consume |
| 09:51.47 | Zolden | and what this parameter for? |
| 09:52.12 | Zolden | the more one human consume, the less this parameter? |
| 09:52.28 | Zolden | and if they consume 0, it equals infinity? |
| 09:52.41 | Zolden | what is this supposed to mean, where do you use it |
| 09:53.10 | twiodoei | wow... well that was pointlessly confusing coversation |
| 09:53.20 | Zolden | you said consumption rate per pop, it means consumed/pop |
| 09:53.22 | twiodoei | it should been multiplier not diveder |
| 09:53.48 | twiodoei | pop * consume |
| 09:54.06 | Zolden | so, consumption rate is a known parameter? and you calculate it to pop to know consumed amount? |
| 09:54.13 | Zolden | rate * pop = amount consumed |
| 09:54.14 | Zolden | right? |
| 09:54.28 | twiodoei | yeah |
| 09:54.50 | Zolden | ok, you have global parameter "consumed amount", got it |
| 09:55.03 | Zolden | what other parameters you have, globals or per city |
| 09:55.37 | twiodoei | you can download and see by yourself: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/twodieprojects/#w-swarm-trade-simulator |
| 09:56.13 | Zolden | for me it's easier to ask you |
| 09:57.01 | twiodoei | yeah quite difficult to answer all of it since it was 6 - 3 months since i was working on this map |
| 09:57.03 | Zolden | ok, now we have: population per city, global consumption amount per resource. Anything else you base your price on? |
| 09:57.36 | Zolden | if you can't name parameters that affect price, you can't get the formula, neither am I |
| 09:57.48 | twiodoei | stock on city, the growth of resource in the city |
| 09:58.04 | twiodoei | well im about to get it working?! |
| 09:58.16 | Zolden | you're about to get it working? |
| 09:59.19 | Zolden | ok, NOW we have: momentary stock of res, growth per tick of res, population, and global consumption |
| 09:59.21 | Zolden | 4 parameters |
| 09:59.24 | Zolden | is it all? |
| 10:00.22 | twiodoei | so why you need that information? |
| 10:00.22 | Ownage | is there a hotkey to rotate a unit before placement, like when it's attached to cursor? |
| 10:01.18 | Zolden | twiodoei after I get all information, I help you with the formula |
| 10:01.48 | twiodoei | no need!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO AND MAKE ME A WARCRAFT stuff in SC2!!!! |
| 10:01.57 | Zolden | ok |
| 10:02.28 | halides | cooool |
| 10:02.46 | bobbytables567 | Hmm, the issue order definitely works, it just doesn't seem to trigger when the persistent expires. |
| 10:04.30 | Zolden | twiodoei actually, russians will soon release wc3 as arcade map |
| 10:04.38 | twiodoei | where |
| 10:04.39 | twiodoei | link |
| 10:04.56 | twiodoei | it will be horrible but lets just breefly look at it |
| 10:04.58 | Zolden | well, next time we test it I can get you |
| 10:05.37 | Zolden | it looks suck, cause no specular on wow models, but gameplay is an exact copy of wc3 |
| 10:06.15 | bobbytables567 | So they are remaking WC3 in SC2 with WoW models? |
| 10:06.31 | Zolden | yea :) |
| 10:06.49 | bobbytables567 | Couldn't they... You know... Remake WC3... In SC2... With WC3 models? |
| 10:07.06 | Zolden | it's like indian actor playing aliens in usa movie |
| 10:07.22 | Zolden | chinese remaking wc3 in sc2 with wc3 models |
| 10:07.37 | Zolden | but wow models are visually better |
| 10:07.44 | twiodoei | shitty |
| 10:07.52 | twiodoei | wow models are not for strategy game |
| 10:07.52 | Zolden | though, chinese added speculars and normals, so their wc3 models look better |
| 10:07.58 | twiodoei | they feel dull there |
| 10:08.13 | Zolden | chinese models look shiny |
| 10:08.21 | Zolden | wanna link? |
| 10:08.28 | twiodoei | were the chanies work? |
| 10:08.53 | Zolden | in their china |
| 10:09.19 | Zolden | eating rice and fish, making wc3, hacing fun with their thin eyes, you know... chinese |
| 10:09.37 | twiodoei | do they will became doctors? |
| 10:10.12 | Zolden | http://bbs.islga.org/read-htm-tid-2007724-page-1-fpage-1.html |
| 10:10.39 | Zolden | yea, their father won't talk to them until they became doctors |
| 10:10.52 | Zolden | there are 4 pages |
| 10:10.58 | twiodoei | cute |
| 10:11.37 | twiodoei | ok prices are 1 0 |
| 10:12.12 | Zolden | chinese just can't stop using avatars like this http://bbs.islga.org/uc_server/data/avatar/000/08/94/67_avatar_middle.jpg |
| 10:22.27 | bobbytables567 | Hmm, the problem is definitely that the effect is not triggering when the persistent expires. Any thoughts? |
| 10:23.15 | Zolden | what if you use final instead of expire? |
| 10:23.58 | bobbytables567 | I've tried either, I've even tried both. |
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| 10:25.41 | Serashin | hi ~~ |
| 10:25.48 | bobbytables567 | Hey |
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| 11:23.17 | G0A | omg, 20m http://www.spacesector.com/blog/2013/09/star-citizen-passes-20m-and-all-rendered-in-engine-trailer/ |
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| 11:31.57 | Serashin | well that game looks promising , goa o.O |
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| 11:50.01 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 11:50.32 | Bommes | Pooz. |
| 11:50.38 | JademusSreg | Niiice. |
| 11:50.42 | Zolden | oopz |
| 11:51.08 | JademusSreg | Also a good choices. |
| 11:53.16 | JademusSreg | Zol, tested the planes last night; didn't function correctly. |
| 11:55.47 | Serashin | Does anyone know if its even possible with standard streets in doodats is possible to allign parts ? |
| 11:55.51 | Serashin | i kinda failed to do it here |
| 11:55.52 | Serashin | https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzW7-F5WXiMNU3pMbklwb0RwbmM/edit?usp=drive_web |
| 11:56.09 | Serashin | in terrain i mean |
| 11:56.30 | JademusSreg | I expect, but have not confirmed, that while walkable surfaces are physics-enabled, physics-surfaces are not necessarily walkable. |
| 11:56.45 | Bommes | Star Citizen trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0tLbWv5K60#t=13 |
| 11:56.52 | JademusSreg | Sera, define "standard streets"? |
| 11:56.54 | Bommes | Sry this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0tLbWv5K60 |
| 11:59.17 | Serashin | in terrain , u can spawn a street point a > b , and u can keep making it longer , however when u want to make it at a side longer > or combine 2 streets it wont allign that way it looks "natural" |
| 11:59.43 | JademusSreg | Ah, road hardtiles. |
| 12:00.28 | JademusSreg | Messing with them requires a lot of fiddling. |
| 12:00.41 | JademusSreg | Even then, they hardly ever look quite natural. |
| 12:01.24 | JademusSreg | https://www.dropbox.com/s/qvwi2c3aqgnbwo4/Phase%208%20B.jpg |
| 12:01.37 | Serashin | ye been just trying arround , hoped someone got a magic trick for alligning them ;) |
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| 12:02.21 | Serashin | ye same as in the link , the edges dont combine like in natural enviroment |
| 12:02.35 | Ahli | yay, I forgot my laptop at my appartment and now I won't have sc2 in near future... I have no idea what to do all day... ahhhhh |
| 12:06.24 | Ahli | the ads on sc2mapster kill this computer |
| 12:08.11 | Bommes | where are you right now? |
| 12:08.28 | Bommes | if you aren't in your appartment |
| 12:10.10 | Ownage | you know how hallucinations, when a detector is nearby, looks different? what is that from? |
| 12:10.19 | JademusSreg | Actors. |
| 12:10.35 | Ahli | at my mother's house |
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| 12:32.59 | Zolden | JademusSreg they don't hold units? |
| 12:34.06 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 12:35.41 | Zolden | it's easy to fix |
| 12:38.07 | Zolden | also, when you say "no" to the "they don't hold units" state, it's not(don't) -> do |
| 12:38.14 | Zolden | like they do hold them |
| 12:38.17 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 12:39.15 | A1win | it is just repeating the negative, not negating it ;p |
| 12:39.47 | Zolden | JademusSreg try this: http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/43/943/quart_physics.m3 |
| 12:40.36 | Zolden | A1win yes, because his "no" includes hidden "yes", and semantically it's "Yes, no" |
| 12:40.51 | A1win | ;X |
| 12:42.06 | A1win | correct/incorrect is more unambiguous |
| 12:45.26 | twiodoei | how to move UI MENU button? |
| 12:49.08 | bobbytables567 | The little thing with the help button and the social button and stuff? |
| 12:50.01 | bobbytables567 | I moved mine by hooking UIContainer/FullscreenUpperContainer/MenuBar |
| 12:57.35 | JademusSreg | Zol, works. |
| 12:59.17 | JademusSreg | Just need the hex, and possibly a triangle. =D |
| 13:07.11 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/Planes.jpg |
| 13:07.44 | twiodoei | Boddytables567 yeah but but the item itself for some reason doesnt want to move and moving background image doesnt makes great results either |
| 13:09.58 | Zolden | JademusSreg ok, sec |
| 13:10.07 | bobbytables567 | twiodoei, the item doesn't move? http://i.imgur.com/Fr3r48D.jpg |
| 13:10.52 | twiodoei | well mb i dont using proper stuff to move it. |
| 13:11.29 | bobbytables567 | I did mine with triggers. You can do it in the UI editor, but it's more complicated. |
| 13:12.01 | JademusSreg | UI is easy. |
| 13:12.34 | bobbytables567 | I guess. I didn't bother to learn it yet. |
| 13:16.03 | twiodoei | well Im making with UI editor but not seem like to detect why its so on the top of the screen and to lower it is no success |
| 13:17.26 | JademusSreg | Helpful for UI shit: http://www.sc2mapster.com/paste/7445/ |
| 13:17.48 | JademusSreg | A list of which frame types support which frame elements. |
| 13:31.13 | Zolden | JademusSreg http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/43/947/hex_physics.m3 http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/43/946/tri_physics.m3 |
| 13:32.43 | Serashin | yo jademus , been playing arround now after u gave me that picture of the streets . however at one point in middle of map it was to close to spawn a new partition of streets . cause somehow u cant make a new part to close to anohter . now it connects in middle to lowground where i dont want it . is it possible to remove that part ? |
| 13:32.46 | Serashin | https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzW7-F5WXiMNbkV2WjJFZDE2TFE/edit?usp=drive_web |
| 13:33.29 | twiodoei | yay done it right! |
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| 13:34.11 | twiodoei | yay done it right and then it disappears |
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| 13:40.10 | Bommes | "Functional programming combines the flexibility and power of abstract mathematics with the intuitive clarity of abstract mathematics." :D I love xkcd |
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| 13:53.45 | JademusSreg | Sera, sometimes checking the controls can help to inform what can be done; File > Configure Controls shows all the editor controls. |
| 13:54.17 | Dustin | Let's see if my map decided to stop being haunted today |
| 13:55.23 | JademusSreg | Haunted? |
| 13:55.52 | Zolden | dwelled by ghost |
| 13:55.57 | Dustin | One of my variables stopped setting itself yesterday |
| 13:56.13 | Dustin | I even made a new one and it still wouldnt set itself |
| 13:56.18 | Dustin | the rest of the code ran fine |
| 13:56.22 | Dustin | It's blowing my mind |
| 13:56.30 | JademusSreg | Mysterious GUI issues. Check the mapscript? |
| 13:56.43 | Dustin | Not yet, tha'ts th next step |
| 14:02.59 | bobbytables567 | Any way to do "point offset towards point" in data? |
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| 14:05.20 | Dustin | Polar Offset Towards Point |
| 14:06.13 | bobbytables567 | Yes, that. Where do I find that? |
| 14:06.21 | Dustin | Oh wait, data, hmmm |
| 14:06.29 | Dustin | NOt sure about that in data |
| 14:06.54 | Ownage | there a math function which creates a circular range |
| 14:07.10 | Ownage | so like 1-3, and if it's 3, and you add 1 to it, it becomes 1? |
| 14:07.45 | bobbytables567 | You mean like modulo? |
| 14:08.13 | Ownage | uhh let me thinkg about that |
| 14:08.31 | bobbytables567 | Like the numbers on a clock? |
| 14:08.37 | Ownage | yeah |
| 14:08.47 | Ownage | 3+2 = 2 again |
| 14:09.06 | bobbytables567 | Yeah, you divide by the number, and the remainder is your wrap-around value. |
| 14:09.09 | Ownage | 3+1 = 1, 3+2 = 2, 3+3 = 3 |
| 14:09.17 | bobbytables567 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modulo_operation |
| 14:09.18 | Ownage | ok thanks |
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| 14:13.17 | twiodoei | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0YkVp-Kv_k |
| 14:15.19 | Dustin | I wish I could use the debugger |
| 14:15.27 | Dustin | And it didnt make my game run at 1fps |
| 14:15.39 | bobbytables567 | Hehe |
| 14:15.47 | zenx | agreed |
| 14:15.56 | zenx | I stopped using debugger unless really nececary |
| 14:16.03 | zenx | wasnt it "lighter" before? |
| 14:16.35 | bobbytables567 | I wish I could find a way to do the polar offset in data. It feels weird that I have to intercept the ability with a trigger and the inject a new target point... |
| 14:22.52 | Bommes | you can create offsets in data |
| 14:22.57 | Bommes | with persistent effects |
| 14:24.00 | Dustin | I think so, but not if I try and run it, my game runs way to slow for it to even be of use |
| 14:24.37 | Bommes | bobbytables567: What's your problem with using data offsets? |
| 14:24.43 | bobbytables567 | Bommes, I guess, but I've been staring at that for 20 minutes and I can't figure out how I would do it. |
| 14:25.55 | bobbytables567 | Bommes, well, the persistent has an offset start point and an offset end point, but I'm not sure how to set the range |
| 14:26.00 | Bommes | that depends on how you want the offset to look like |
| 14:26.40 | bobbytables567 | What I'm doing is just moving wherever you click to target the ability to the max range of that ability away from the caster. |
| 14:27.27 | Bommes | And that max range differs for the ability? |
| 14:27.31 | bobbytables567 | So wherever you click, the ability will fire in that direction, but it will fire to a point that is X away from the caster. |
| 14:27.31 | Bommes | because of upgrades? |
| 14:27.44 | bobbytables567 | No, it differs from where you click. |
| 14:27.56 | bobbytables567 | If you click outside the max range, the caster will move. |
| 14:28.10 | bobbytables567 | If you click inside the max range, the ability will target a different point. |
| 14:28.40 | Bommes | ah k |
| 14:29.03 | bobbytables567 | So to fix that I'm using a trigger that fires a "point offset towards point" function. |
| 14:29.41 | bobbytables567 | So, you click the ability, you click somewhere on the map, the event fires the trigger which intercepts the order. |
| 14:30.15 | Bommes | set the Target: Location in that case to Source Point and the Periodic Offset to (0,-X,0) where X is the value for the Y-coordinate, and thats where the effect that you set into Periodic Effects happens |
| 14:30.24 | bobbytables567 | Then it offsets the target point by 9 from the caster towards the target point, thus if you clicked inside 9 range, it will be farther, and vice versa. |
| 14:30.37 | Bommes | just make sure you set the period count to 1 |
| 14:31.06 | bobbytables567 | The Y-coordinate being the range? |
| 14:31.06 | Bommes | and also the effect that is executed has to have target location set to target point, otherwise it might not fire |
| 14:31.09 | Bommes | yes |
| 14:31.20 | Bommes | not the range of the ability, but the range that your ability should fire at |
| 14:31.28 | bobbytables567 | Yeah |
| 14:31.33 | Bommes | in this case (0, -9, 0) |
| 14:31.53 | bobbytables567 | Right. So that's the data equivalent |
| 14:32.30 | bobbytables567 | And what's that about period count? |
| 14:33.03 | Bommes | it can fire the effects multiple times if you specify a period duration |
| 14:33.19 | Bommes | for example if you set period duration to 1.0 and period count to 5 |
| 14:33.29 | Bommes | then your ability will fire 5 times over the course of 5 seconds |
| 14:33.30 | bobbytables567 | Right, so I want to create an extra persistent to act as a dummy for this? |
| 14:33.50 | bobbytables567 | Since I'm already using this persistent for a periodic effect. |
| 14:34.17 | Bommes | yeah you can link multiple persistents together if you want to |
| 14:34.32 | Bommes | depends on what exactly you want to do, I might still misunderstand the complexity of what you want to do :) |
| 14:34.59 | Bommes | *your effect will fire, not the ability, sorry |
| 14:35.36 | bobbytables567 | All I want to do is make this persistent happen at a point that is 9 range away from the caster in the direction of the target point. I guess I could use "Target: Offset - Initial"? |
| 14:36.03 | Bommes | no, use the Periodic Offset, it's much easier to work with that |
| 14:36.44 | Bommes | since |
| 14:37.01 | Bommes | the other offset only applies for the effect that is specified under "Effects - Initial" or something |
| 14:37.13 | bobbytables567 | Ohhhh, I see. |
| 14:37.17 | Bommes | if you have something in there then go ahead and use the Offset - Initial :) |
| 14:37.24 | bobbytables567 | But then what was the part about setting period count to 1? |
| 14:37.36 | Bommes | just so it fires one time, if its set to zero it doesn't fire the effect |
| 14:37.42 | Bommes | and nothing happens |
| 14:38.12 | Bommes | (the effect specified in the Period Effects field) |
| 14:38.14 | bobbytables567 | Ahhh, ok. Well, my original effect is already a persistent with several periods, so I got confused. |
| 14:38.16 | bobbytables567 | My bad. |
| 14:38.46 | bobbytables567 | And Y is always toward the target? |
| 14:39.27 | Bommes | negative Y equals a forward direction |
| 14:39.50 | bobbytables567 | Alright. |
| 14:39.50 | Bommes | where forward is from Location Offset - Start Point to Location Offset - End Point |
| 14:40.15 | bobbytables567 | That makes sense. |
| 14:40.21 | JademusSreg | Zol, the Hex origin is slightly above the others. Seems like unit standardization would help in general. |
| 14:40.31 | Bommes | so if you set Location Offset - Start to Target Point and Location Offset - End to Source then it's the other way round :) |
| 14:41.01 | bobbytables567 | Right. But it makes sense this way. |
| 14:42.31 | bobbytables567 | Ooh, my earlier problem has returned. |
| 14:43.19 | Bommes | what is the problem? |
| 14:44.15 | bobbytables567 | Actually, it's not offsetting the target correctly.. |
| 14:45.41 | Bommes | How is it offsetting then? |
| 14:45.41 | bobbytables567 | I might need to tinker with this for a while longer. |
| 14:45.50 | bobbytables567 | My earlier issue was that |
| 14:45.58 | Bommes | you can also post the XML for all the effects or upload the map if you want to |
| 14:46.10 | bobbytables567 | Err, it's not offsetting at all. The caster is still walking over to the max range. |
| 14:46.30 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/Planes.jpg |
| 14:46.45 | bobbytables567 | The earlier issue is that I'm pushing some units with an apply force |
| 14:46.58 | bobbytables567 | And when the apply force is done, the units run back to where they were standing. |
| 14:47.18 | bobbytables567 | We tried fixing that by issuing a stop order, but I couldn't get the stop order to issue. |
| 14:47.32 | Zolden | JademusSreg do you use the last hex I gave? it should be in the same height as others |
| 14:48.14 | bobbytables567 | I thought I had fixed it by applying a buff that triggered the stop order after a duration |
| 14:48.50 | bobbytables567 | But it seems to not work properly. |
| 14:48.55 | JademusSreg | Zol, was there a link I missed? I used the hex you posted the same time as the tri. |
| 14:49.07 | Zolden | ok, lemme check |
| 14:50.23 | JademusSreg | Hex stairs amused me. |
| 14:51.07 | JademusSreg | Related, difficult as fuck to properly align the triangle there. |
| 14:51.32 | Bommes | Jade, why do your boxes have slutty names? |
| 14:51.40 | Zolden | doesn't math help? |
| 14:51.47 | JademusSreg | I give them obscene names. |
| 14:51.53 | Zolden | should be easy to calc the exact position |
| 14:52.05 | Zolden | unless it's not not centered |
| 14:52.14 | JademusSreg | (Dimwiggle Fuckwit|Crocbucket Shitwhistle|Pocklick Gitslobber|Goretickle Wondercunt) |
| 14:52.31 | Bommes | Delightful. |
| 14:52.36 | Zolden | yea |
| 14:53.02 | Zolden | they merged into an animated scene in my imagination |
| 14:53.07 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 14:54.08 | Bommes | Mysteriously complementing each other, making it a unique and wonderful experience to watch. |
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| 14:55.01 | Zolden | JademusSreg is hex higher or lower than others? |
| 14:55.33 | Zolden | oh, above |
| 14:55.36 | JademusSreg | Higher, ever so slightly. |
| 14:55.59 | Zolden | strange, it's perfectle at zero by Z axe |
| 14:56.52 | JademusSreg | How about the others? |
| 15:01.04 | Zolden | same, as I remember |
| 15:01.18 | Zolden | but i remade them |
| 15:01.21 | Zolden | sec |
| 15:02.34 | JademusSreg | Added more test names: (Dimwiggle Fuckwit|Crocbucket Shitwhistle|Pocklick Gitslobber|Goretickle Wondercunt|Dickbag Soupscrotum|Meatcream Spunkhammer|Crabcock Sockspooge|Lipdangle Burritoteeth) |
| 15:03.39 | JademusSreg | Clearly, I enjoy the goblin naming convention. |
| 15:04.09 | Zolden | JademusSreg http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/43/950/hex_physics.m3 http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/43/951/tri_physics.m3 http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/43/952/quart_physics.m3 |
| 15:04.29 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 15:05.49 | Bommes | ooh, are these physics bodies? |
| 15:05.51 | Bommes | dynamic or static? |
| 15:07.19 | Bommes | 2d planes? |
| 15:07.27 | bobbytables567 | Ahah. I think I've figured out the cause of this issue. It seems to be a quirk in the way units "run home". If the distance is very short, then the run home order happens much later. |
| 15:07.56 | Ownage | I guess I'm braindead these days |
| 15:08.06 | JademusSreg | Bom, yes. |
| 15:08.10 | Ownage | what is the modulus for 1,2,3 4,5,6 to always be 1,2,3 |
| 15:08.34 | bobbytables567 | What do you mean? |
| 15:08.39 | JademusSreg | Assuming those are two separate sets, 4 |
| 15:08.56 | JademusSreg | Erm 3 |
| 15:09.12 | JademusSreg | Pardon the mistype. |
| 15:09.27 | Ownage | 3 mod 3 is 0 |
| 15:10.10 | Ownage | should I just minus 3 if higher than 3? |
| 15:10.16 | Ownage | I guess that would work, heh |
| 15:12.05 | bobbytables567 | Or do something like mod 2 and add one to the result. But sure, "minus 3" works for all the values between 3 and 7. |
| 15:12.21 | bobbytables567 | Of course, once you hit 7, then you'll get 4, not 3. |
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| 15:15.14 | JademusSreg | wonders for what purpose. |
| 15:16.28 | bobbytables567 | I guess maybe for something like a circular menu, where scrolling past the right-most or left-most entries wraps back around? |
| 15:18.59 | JademusSreg | Anyway, now that I've got the plane models, I can test various approaches to handling movement. |
| 15:20.01 | Bommes | I still don't really understand how you use the Physics models as a "Platform" |
| 15:20.12 | Bommes | but looks pretty cool, if it's easily applicable I'd be interested :D |
| 15:23.35 | Ownage | am I crazy or what |
| 15:23.39 | Ownage | how is this printing out 5 |
| 15:24.04 | Ownage | http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/822/ypf0.png/ |
| 15:25.58 | JademusSreg | Point is to make the new Photon Cycles terrain adjustable, support terrain rising up from the abyss below the level or dropping back into it, ramps, variant elevations, and possibly multiple floors. |
| 15:26.37 | Dustin | Mario Kart 64? |
| 15:26.52 | Ownage | I mean how is it even possible to print 5 |
| 15:29.41 | JademusSreg | The Hazard Circuit game mode, for example, will have stages based on fault circuits that result in race conditions in the technical sense, with "packets" traversing the circuits along different routes. These packets representing electrical signals are where the floor rises and upon which the players drive. |
| 15:29.51 | JademusSreg | *faulty circuits |
| 15:31.09 | JademusSreg | Own, what the hell are you attempting to do? |
| 15:32.27 | Ownage | get an id from an entered region |
| 15:33.03 | JademusSreg | That means nothing to me. Try again. |
| 15:34.32 | Ownage | well first and foremost I'm trying to figure out how it's possible at all in any situation for that to print out 5 |
| 15:34.53 | Ownage | every time it triggers it says 5, which I'm not understanding as possible |
| 15:35.36 | Ownage | the purpose of the trigger is to generate 1-4 based on which region is fed to it, representing which of 4 per player the region is |
| 15:36.29 | JademusSreg | Since arrays start at 0, iterate from 0, and use modulo. Tada. |
| 15:36.31 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 15:36.46 | Ownage | huh? |
| 15:36.57 | Ownage | it's 1-4, no modulo needed |
| 15:37.18 | Ownage | it's not related to my other modulo question before |
| 15:39.20 | Bommes | Ownage: well, the int gets incremented from 1-5, so it stops at 5 (when it doesn't meet the condition of the for loop anymore) |
| 15:39.42 | Bommes | that seems to be how this loop works if it returns 5 |
| 15:39.49 | Ownage | I see |
| 15:39.59 | Ownage | so it's not a for loop, but a masked while loop |
| 15:40.00 | Bommes | if you want more control over how your loops work don't use the prebuilt for each ones, use just a simple While loop |
| 15:40.06 | Bommes | probably |
| 15:40.32 | Bommes | I mean every for loop is essentially a while loop, it depends on the implementation how they exactly work |
| 15:40.47 | Bommes | but for loops in general are not built to have a deterministic increment variable |
| 15:41.02 | Bommes | usually the point of for loops is that the increment variable doesn't matter and you dont need it |
| 15:41.36 | Bommes | apart from going through the loop a set amount of time of course |
| 15:41.36 | Ownage | I see |
| 15:41.47 | Ownage | OK well I guess I'll move on to seeing why it doesn't work.. thanks |
| 15:43.01 | Ownage | is there any easier way to track regions than this |
| 15:43.39 | Ownage | what I do now is manually set them to arrays through triggers and then have a function which does this kind of thing to get an int value to represent it, so I can use it to find related regions and such |
| 15:44.18 | bobbytables567 | Strange. If the Cost -> Cooldown -> Link isn't set in my abilities, then the cooldown doesn't work. I guess that's normal? |
| 15:44.31 | Ownage | specifically what I'm trying to do is this: I have 2 teams of 3 players each. when a player builds a building, I want to create a unit in the same place relative to the center region, but on his allies' regions |
| 15:44.41 | Bommes | The easiest way would be to give them names that are easy to differentiate and then use the name of the region to change parts of the String to a number |
| 15:44.48 | Ownage | bobbytables567, as far as I know you need a link yes |
| 15:45.01 | bobbytables567 | Then what does the link do? |
| 15:45.03 | Ownage | that's what "links" the cooldown to the ability |
| 15:45.26 | bobbytables567 | But it's not linked to itself, it's linked to something completely arbitrary. |
| 15:45.37 | Ownage | they are just strings |
| 15:45.43 | Ownage | you can type it in how you want it |
| 15:45.54 | bobbytables567 | Like, one of my abilities had nothing in there, so I chose "Yamato" from the drop-down, and now it works. |
| 15:46.16 | Ownage | now it has a charge linked to it |
| 15:46.39 | Ownage | if there's no charge on it you wouldn't be able to change charge counts or whatever |
| 15:46.48 | Ownage | cooldowns the same |
| 15:46.53 | bobbytables567 | Does it? The Charge -> Link is set to itself, though. |
| 15:47.04 | Ownage | what's "itself"? |
| 15:47.18 | bobbytables567 | Abil/Test |
| 15:47.28 | Ownage | don't read into it too much |
| 15:47.39 | Ownage | you can change that to Abil/Tacos and it will be the same, afaik |
| 15:47.49 | Ownage | it's just an identifying string |
| 15:47.54 | bobbytables567 | I'll try not to, but it's really frustrating to not understand. =P |
| 15:48.18 | bobbytables567 | But how or where is it used? |
| 15:48.28 | Ownage | it's a link |
| 15:48.39 | Ownage | if you want to affect the charges for that ability, you will do so in a trigger |
| 15:48.46 | Ownage | and you will have to talk to it by calling it Abil/Test |
| 15:48.47 | bobbytables567 | Oh, it shows up in the data editor tree? |
| 15:48.50 | Dustin | The link also applies to cooldowns |
| 15:48.54 | bobbytables567 | Ahhh |
| 15:49.04 | Ownage | you can't say change the cooldown for this ability |
| 15:49.07 | Dustin | Everything that has the same link will share the same cooldown |
| 15:49.09 | bobbytables567 | Ok, so it's worth putting unique names in there just in case. |
| 15:49.09 | Ownage | you have to use that thing |
| 15:49.14 | Dustin | Yes |
| 15:49.15 | Ownage | right |
| 15:49.22 | bobbytables567 | Right, well that makes perfect sense. |
| 15:49.26 | bobbytables567 | Now I understand. |
| 15:49.35 | Ownage | it's all super super modular compared to older editors |
| 15:49.50 | Ownage | which means it can be annoyingly complicated but much more powerful |
| 15:50.39 | bobbytables567 | Well, it's not so much the annoyingly complicated part that bothers me, it's just that things are so badly explained. |
| 15:51.16 | bobbytables567 | Some things have tooltips, others don't, some have generic tooltips that don't explain anything, and so on. |
| 15:52.08 | Ownage | yep |
| 15:52.18 | Dustin | Yeah it sucks balls |
| 15:52.32 | Ownage | wait till you realiza thats a text too |
| 15:52.46 | Ownage | hahaha |
| 15:52.53 | Ownage | afk din din |
| 15:53.39 | bobbytables567 | Welp, I've pretty much accomplished everything I set out to do today, apart from that little "run home" quirk that's hiding in there. |
| 15:54.12 | bobbytables567 | But the solution that I'm imagining for that would involve changing the nature of the ability. |
| 15:54.53 | bobbytables567 | And it would involve adding a lot more crap to the ability in the form of extra effects and validators and such. |
| 15:55.53 | bobbytables567 | So I'm just going to private publish this for now and play around with it on bnet |
| 15:58.19 | bobbytables567 | To that end, I could use a couple of lab rats to help me test. |
| 16:01.53 | JademusSreg | reminds itself to write a tutorial "How to ask for help". |
| 16:06.02 | bobbytables567 | Oh, another fun little thing that I've noticed: If you launch a missile into "the void" it behaves strangely. |
| 16:16.38 | Bommes | JademusSreg: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/58197-how-do-i-change-skins-like-this/#p10 It's literally impossible to find out things for yourself unless you are Jesus. |
| 16:18.37 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
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| 16:30.32 | twiodoei | well yeah, why to find out yourself when you can bring all community to make everyone busy and such silly thing, enough with all the sillyness! |
| 16:31.02 | G0A | shit, I am going to miss today's mapnight too |
| 16:31.22 | twiodoei | http://youtu.be/oxbN7YX20Ow?t=2m40s |
| 16:31.28 | twiodoei | G0A wtf? |
| 16:41.09 | Zolden | i'll visit map night to only play Trieva's turn based map |
| 16:41.59 | Zolden | and maybe that card thing of fullchain |
| 16:42.05 | Zolden | or what was his name |
| 16:43.50 | twiodoei | we going to play my trading game :D |
| 16:43.59 | twiodoei | you know you want it! |
| 16:48.46 | twiodoei | this time its some what decent |
| 16:48.53 | twiodoei | only no killing shit |
| 16:50.30 | twiodoei | http://snag.gy/q0NDv.jpg |
| 16:52.59 | Zolden | twiodoei http://i.snag.gy/fE6l1.jpg |
| 16:53.33 | twiodoei | yes, i already played today warcraft |
| 16:53.58 | Zolden | it's motherfuckraft |
| 16:54.03 | G0A | dam, that looks nice twiodoei |
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| 16:54.46 | Zolden | there are raw weed and joints, right? |
| 16:54.50 | Ownage | can you make a totally new map and then publish it as a previous map of yours? |
| 16:55.11 | G0A | Zolden I would like to short hemp! |
| 16:55.16 | twiodoei | Zolden you would want to! |
| 16:56.23 | G0A | can we do monopoly from one resource?:) |
| 16:56.28 | Zolden | :) |
| 16:58.03 | Zolden | twiodoei your map should have a tutorial mode where the game would tell what to do step by step, and that mode should be forced if a guy playes for first time |
| 16:58.24 | Zolden | also, add mages to buy them and attack other caravans |
| 16:58.47 | Zolden | also, make "auto trade" button for caravans |
| 16:58.49 | twiodoei | there is text tutorial |
| 16:59.11 | Zolden | also, make "I'm a jew" button, that would instantly win the game for the guy who pressed it |
| 16:59.29 | Zolden | text tutorial for people who don't play games |
| 16:59.59 | twiodoei | well next big step for the map would be make the resource consuption and generation more stable. and making ability to expand and start production of resources in those cities |
| 17:00.06 | Ownage | Bommes, trying to do what you said, how do I get the region name? |
| 17:00.41 | Bommes | Ownage: You'd probably have to use Data Table entries to assign names to each reion |
| 17:00.42 | Bommes | region |
| 17:01.22 | twiodoei | Zolden they will learn the game the hard way if they really would want to get the point of it |
| 17:01.25 | Bommes | but not sure, maybe there are existing functions for that |
| 17:01.41 | Ownage | that doesn't sound easier than assigning them to variables, what's the benefit there |
| 17:01.41 | Bommes | never needed to do something like this myself :) |
| 17:02.02 | Ownage | I've made about 10 maps and I need it in all of them |
| 17:02.06 | Ownage | I guess I'm doiing something wrong |
| 17:02.29 | Bommes | Well I've only made 1 map, and that one is not even finished |
| 17:02.59 | Bommes | aren't there any "Name of Region" functions or something for Strings? |
| 17:03.15 | Ownage | not that I can see, I think you can only do that for game links |
| 17:03.35 | Zolden | twiodoei after a few trade operations when I raised some nice cash, I feld demotivated |
| 17:03.43 | Zolden | like "now what" |
| 17:03.53 | Zolden | or rather "fte I'm doing here" |
| 17:04.14 | Zolden | so, as minimum, there should be a leaderboard with the list of jews |
| 17:04.17 | twiodoei | well the function how to calculate the price for resource where fucked. so the cash was easy to make |
| 17:04.26 | Zolden | as maximum, I want to buy troops and rape |
| 17:04.57 | twiodoei | the current state is to accumulate the some sort of amount of money |
| 17:05.02 | Zolden | twiodoei also, I've got a nice name for the map "Happy Jewville" |
| 17:05.04 | Ownage | OK I really need to rethink this, I'm deep in trigger rathole for something that should be easy-ish |
| 17:05.16 | Zolden | or "Jew and friends" |
| 17:05.26 | twiodoei | the troops thing is really hard to balance and make it playing nice enough |
| 17:05.31 | Zolden | or "Hitler would love to find himself in this game with a shotgun" |
| 17:05.44 | Ownage | can someone help me with how to approach this in an elegant way, my brain is fried at the moment |
| 17:06.05 | twiodoei | Zolden go with unicorn to the hills of columbia! |
| 17:06.12 | Zolden | or "Circumcision'd penis in your face!" |
| 17:06.46 | Ownage | I have 4 regions for each player, 2 teams of 3 players each. When a player builds a building in one of his 4 regions, I want to create a unit in the same position of his allies' matching regions |
| 17:07.19 | Ownage | so if I build a building just to the right of center of my 2nd region, my two other teammates should get a unit each, in their second regions, just to right of those centers |
| 17:07.56 | Ownage | I know how to do most of it except for some reason I'm having trouble with the region part, with regard to tracking/recording who is who's teammates and what regions match what |
| 17:08.22 | Ownage | so if player 5 does it, player 4 and 6's regions should gain a unit in their nth region |
| 17:09.10 | Zolden | owns Ownage |
| 17:09.13 | Ownage | is there some magic bullet modulo type of expression which can make this simple |
| 17:09.32 | Ownage | because right now it's looking like a piece of crap |
| 17:10.57 | Ownage | the difficulty I'm having more specifically is that I have 24 regions which logically belong each to a user and an order, i.e. player 3 has 4 regions which are ordered |
| 17:11.43 | Ownage | so if player[3].region[4] is triggered I would want to add to player[1].region[4] and player[2].region[4] |
| 17:12.40 | JademusSreg | Back for a bit. |
| 17:12.44 | Ownage | hmm that sounds kind of simple now that I'm writing it out |
| 17:13.07 | Ownage | for each player in allies of that player... hmm nvm I guess |
| 17:13.25 | Ownage | quits smoking crack for a short time to go find more shiny objects |
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| 17:18.28 | Stewox | hello |
| 17:18.43 | twiodoei | hey you! |
| 17:18.51 | Zolden | twiodoei don't\ |
| 17:19.01 | twiodoei | okay :( |
| 17:19.12 | Stewox | do what = |
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| 17:37.46 | twiodoei | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8KnFnhbnOo |
| 17:43.47 | twiodoei | anyone here for some Eras Zombie Invasion map? |
| 17:45.42 | twiodoei | Anyone? |
| 17:45.46 | twiodoei | PLEASE!!! |
| 17:45.55 | twiodoei | I NEED YOU... hotless |
| 17:46.12 | Zolden | hotsless |
| 17:46.22 | twiodoei | hotless |
| 17:46.26 | Zolden | hostless |
| 17:46.59 | twiodoei | hitless |
| 17:47.01 | Zolden | shotless |
| 17:47.21 | Serashin | dafuq |
| 17:49.40 | twiodoei | looking for lady friends |
| 17:49.59 | twiodoei | to help me lag the fuck out of that Zombie Invasion map |
| 17:51.56 | twiodoei | AAAAAuuuuuuuuuuuuUUUUuUuU |
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| 18:02.07 | twiodoei | NEED US PLAYER TO GET PLAYING ERAS ZOMBIEz INVASION |
| 18:02.12 | twiodoei | hotsless |
| 18:03.47 | zenx | how will you communicate with that ho o o o orse |
| 18:04.19 | zenx | sad programmer is sad |
| 18:04.34 | zenx | after a break I will try to fix my mistakes yet again |
| 18:05.51 | twiodoei | Still want to play |
| 18:13.24 | twiodoei | looking for HotS frienddo |
| 18:15.32 | Stewox | hello |
| 18:15.48 | Stewox | how do i make a unit only be able to use a weapon in certain region |
| 18:15.54 | Stewox | i have siege tank tank mode |
| 18:16.10 | Stewox | i don't want it to fire on other areas only center of map where i have arena |
| 18:16.33 | Stewox | i tried to use LOS BLOCKER to cut his vision but it doesn't work |
| 18:16.42 | Stewox | also |
| 18:16.54 | Stewox | the blockers are on a cliff along with the siege tank |
| 18:17.02 | Stewox | all enemy units are on a lower cliff |
| 18:17.20 | twiodoei | unit enters = Siege tank >>> apply the behavior that disables the attack ability |
| 18:18.56 | Stewox | the units are walking on their paths to the center |
| 18:19.03 | Stewox | i don't want the siege to fire on those areas |
| 18:19.14 | Stewox | but he needs to keep firing on the central region |
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| 18:19.33 | Stewox | Search Area Slop hmm ? |
| 18:19.36 | Stewox | but well |
| 18:19.44 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:21.20 | twiodoei | just remove siege tank from the game, solved |
| 18:21.51 | Stewox | troll |
| 18:22.13 | twiodoei | :D |
| 18:22.37 | twiodoei | i just see your problem very uninteresting |
| 18:23.11 | twiodoei | some what bad game design just to make siege tank lame in some part of the map |
| 18:24.45 | Dustin | wooot |
| 18:24.50 | Dustin | Time to test my map |
| 18:25.07 | twiodoei | lets go play ERAS Zombie raping! |
| 18:25.26 | Dustin | eww nevar! |
| 18:27.07 | twiodoei | :((((((( |
| 18:27.18 | twiodoei | I want warcraft shit |
| 18:27.22 | twiodoei | and upgrading |
| 18:28.15 | JademusSreg | Back for a bit. |
| 18:29.13 | twiodoei | Do I really will have to remake the map? |
| 18:29.27 | twiodoei | wtf? give me dose of happiness :( |
| 18:30.12 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 18:31.06 | twiodoei | Cant play Eras Zombies Invasion since dont have hots |
| 18:31.26 | A1win | get in party with someone who has |
| 18:31.56 | JademusSreg | Or make a version that doesn't depend on HotS, harhar. |
| 18:31.56 | twiodoei | i dont have friends :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( that i would like to get a long and play that crap! |
| 18:32.25 | twiodoei | I have the map but a lot of scripting required in Galaxy to make it properly work |
| 18:32.58 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 18:33.50 | Zolden | twiodoei intense programming makes brain generate dopamine, which will bring you pleasure |
| 18:33.51 | JademusSreg | Extract the HotS scripts it uses and include them in the map, easy. |
| 18:33.53 | twiodoei | so yeah... Remaking it is seems like an option... SO MUCH TIME WASTING FOR LITTLE FUN :( |
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| 18:34.52 | twiodoei | fuck it will go play WC3 |
| 18:35.03 | Kueken | shark |
| 18:35.55 | Dustin | Anyone wanna come help me test out my map? |
| 18:36.13 | Dustin | I just added a new mode I need to test and no-one is joining :( |
| 18:36.55 | Serashin | i can help test |
| 18:37.22 | Dustin | dustin.374 @ NA |
| 18:37.32 | Dustin | or SC2mapster channel |
| 18:38.50 | zenx | duuuuuuuustiiin |
| 18:39.05 | zenx | any idea if this could have been my problem of crashing in c++ |
| 18:39.33 | zenx | I used single string varible multiple times and converted it to c_str() multiple times |
| 18:39.40 | zenx | if I make any sense dunno |
| 18:39.49 | Dustin | Hmm not sure |
| 18:40.06 | zenx | cause it seemd to fix when I use multiple variables |
| 18:40.13 | zenx | which is sorta weird |
| 18:40.20 | Otixa | i win u |
| 18:40.21 | Otixa | i best |
| 18:40.52 | zenx | so much time wasted on small problems... :( |
| 18:41.05 | zenx | but I get obsessed on fixing stuff |
| 18:41.14 | Serashin | Do i need to this for every model i add ? i got earlier from Zolden very simple models without animations basicly just a 3 d model . and ive done till the model xml fill in part . but for me appear instead of the model some globe thingy |
| 18:41.19 | Serashin | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/41001-warcraft-model-library-how-to/ |
| 18:42.24 | Otixa | spanishiwa big pro |
| 18:45.48 | zenx | mmm |
| 18:45.54 | zenx | now I feel like playnig something |
| 18:45.58 | zenx | perhaps trine 2 |
| 18:45.59 | Kueken | Serashin: If you see the Sphere model, you usually messed up your references in data |
| 18:46.52 | Kueken | check your links from the actor to the model object and from the model object to the model file |
| 18:48.12 | twiodoei | WC3 soooooooo slooooooooooooooooooow |
| 18:48.45 | Ownage | if I want to be able to make a stationary ghost-like image of a unit somewhere how can I do it? the problem I am having is that if I make a unit and change its actor to opacity .2, I still have to think about pathing and supply, etc. I want to be able to do this with any unit. I just want the image, I don't need the actual unit |
| 18:48.59 | Ownage | I tried just making an actor but apparently it needs a unit |
| 18:49.22 | Ownage | can I make a unit that has no actor and just attach an actor to it to make it look the same as a unit? |
| 18:50.06 | Ownage | for example if I want a ghost probe just sitting there and a drone next to it, can I just make a generic single unit and put it in both places but two different actors for them? |
| 18:50.45 | Kueken | you should be able to use only an actor |
| 18:50.59 | Ownage | I get an error about trying to make an actor outside of a unit |
| 18:51.12 | Kueken | how do you create it? |
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| 18:51.34 | Ownage | create actor at point |
| 18:51.46 | Ownage | it says can't make a caunit outside of ... |
| 18:51.50 | Kueken | :) |
| 18:52.05 | Kueken | you are just using the wrong kind of actor |
| 18:52.07 | Ownage | an underlying caunit scope or somesuch |
| 18:52.14 | Ownage | I want probe |
| 18:52.18 | Kueken | you cannot use a unit actor without a unit |
| 18:52.34 | Kueken | but you can use a model actor which uses the model of a unit easily |
| 18:52.57 | Ownage | so can I make a single one of those and use it for several units with triggers |
| 18:53.15 | Kueken | you should be able to, yes |
| 18:53.38 | Kueken | you can send a ModelSwap actor message to the actor to create any unit model you like |
| 18:53.47 | Ownage | so to do that I will what, make a model/actor, then when she's not cocktail waitressing I can change the actor |
| 18:53.49 | Kueken | or event use the Create Model At Point |
| 18:53.56 | Ownage | ok thanks I'll try that |
| 18:54.11 | Kueken | *even |
| 18:55.47 | twiodoei | Fuck that game |
| 18:55.51 | ArcanePariah | Jade around? |
| 18:56.09 | ArcanePariah | or he in BBL+++ mode? |
| 18:56.17 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 18:56.36 | Kueken | are you highlighted when one just types Jade? |
| 18:56.42 | Ownage | how do I set the player color of it? |
| 18:56.43 | ArcanePariah | Had a question on variables, what does the "Define default value" thing do for the variable? |
| 18:57.00 | Kueken | Ownage: Send an Actor Message |
| 18:57.10 | ArcanePariah | incidently, how does one highlight a person in IRC? |
| 18:57.21 | JademusSreg | Kueken, it's on my list for those who are on another list. |
| 18:57.21 | Kueken | ArcanePariah: type out the full name |
| 18:57.28 | ArcanePariah | kk |
| 18:57.32 | Ownage | is it set team color? |
| 18:57.39 | Kueken | sounds about right |
| 18:57.54 | Ownage | diffuses or emissive? :) |
| 18:58.03 | Kueken | ArcanePariah: usually typing the first few letters then pressing tab will add the full name |
| 18:58.05 | Ownage | or both |
| 18:58.09 | JademusSreg | Arc, Define default value makes it a data entry a parent in such a way that properly preserves its token references. =D |
| 18:58.10 | Kueken | Ownage: both |
| 18:58.20 | Ownage | gracias I'll try |
| 18:58.31 | ArcanePariah | I understand that for data types, but in triggers, what does it do? |
| 18:58.33 | JademusSreg | It adds default="1" attribute to the data entry opening tag. |
| 18:58.58 | Kueken | also it lists it in the list of available parents for related objects |
| 18:58.59 | JademusSreg | Ah, as part of a preset, yes? |
| 18:59.05 | ArcanePariah | The tooltip for it in triggers is rather vague |
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| 18:59.41 | Ownage | I think I screwed something up it just says cannot create actor |
| 18:59.45 | ArcanePariah | The impression i'm left with is that whatever value is defined for this variable is the value the editor with default to for this variable type when a variable of this type is created |
| 18:59.57 | Ownage | I made a new actor, type model and everything default and tried to place it |
| 19:00.12 | JademusSreg | In the context of parameters of any sort, it should make it the default value for that parameter type. |
| 19:00.25 | Kueken | Ownage: I recommend using a copy of the default "TriggerModel" actor |
| 19:00.44 | Kueken | or just use Create Model At Point |
| 19:00.52 | Kueken | it will create the actor properly |
| 19:01.02 | ArcanePariah | So if I create a integer variable, set it default value to be 1, if i create another integer variable, it will automatically be 1 unless otherwise defined, current integers default to 0, so I assume in the core libarary, there is a interger variable with that set and value = 0 |
| 19:01.59 | JademusSreg | Should only apply to that variable/parameter. |
| 19:03.43 | ArcanePariah | Welp, just did a test, it sets the value the variable type defaults too, I created a test integer, set it to 2, and defined it as default value, the next integer i created was immediately set to 2 as well |
| 19:04.04 | JademusSreg | GUI is weird. |
| 19:04.29 | ArcanePariah | And if you click that button on multiple objects, it uses the last one for the next variable |
| 19:04.37 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 19:05.02 | ArcanePariah | So i clicked it for my 2, then made a new integer, made it 3, then clicked it, next variable i made was 3 |
| 19:05.37 | ArcanePariah | Seems like something that could be leveraged, but would be difficult to track |
| 19:06.43 | JademusSreg | Only thing interesting to me about GUI is its potential use for script macros. |
| 19:06.58 | ArcanePariah | ok weird, it didn't use last one, it used 1st one, but if i unclick first one, it used 2nd one |
| 19:07.00 | Ownage | with default settings I get an error that it can't place it |
| 19:07.16 | Ownage | if I set it to have a model by default, I get no error but I can't see anything on the map |
| 19:07.50 | Ownage | is there something else I'm supposed to be doing aside from duplicating trigger model and setting its mode |
| 19:07.53 | Ownage | model* |
| 19:08.41 | ArcanePariah | So I guess it could be used if you want to speed certain parts of code creation up, like if you know you will be created a number of variables of that type with the same base value, or even a set of values, simply click or unselect that flag to rapidly create numbers of that varaiable type instead of having to assign each one manually |
| 19:08.51 | Kueken | use Create Model At Point instead |
| 19:08.59 | ArcanePariah | Or if you want certain places of the code to default to different values on creation |
| 19:09.22 | Kueken | it creates an actor and uses the model you pass as parameter |
| 19:10.11 | ArcanePariah | This leads to my next question, what is the point of intial value letting you use function calls, when it WILL throw a syntax error, given that the GUI compiles in a way that all variables are intialized before function definitions are created? |
| 19:10.31 | ArcanePariah | and thus it basically gives a function undefined error? |
| 19:11.26 | ArcanePariah | or is because the GUI doesn't really differentiate between global and local variables, and thus lets you use function calls for all variables, even though global ones will never work? |
| 19:12.12 | Ownage | thanks that worked. will sending to 'last created actor' know that it created an actor? |
| 19:12.29 | Kueken | yes |
| 19:13.05 | ArcanePariah | Which leads to my final question, why the hell does the dialog item pressed event only accept constants for the dialog item, even though it can only use global constants, but there is no way to create a dialog item as global variable with intial value? |
| 19:13.32 | Kueken | because gui is stupid? |
| 19:13.35 | Kueken | :) |
| 19:14.47 | Kueken | it accepts only constants, because in Gui events can only be registered at map initialization |
| 19:14.59 | ArcanePariah | GUI may be stupid, but the GUI is still based on the underlying logic, which means the event is coded such that it will only accept constants as an argument, and thus any dialog interaction has to be done with Any Dialog Item... instead of specifying WHICH dialog item and thus reducing the triggers firing? |
| 19:15.34 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so all things defined for Events must be static and are determined at compile time |
| 19:15.41 | Kueken | yes |
| 19:16.11 | ArcanePariah | can't do run time interpretation, does manually coding in galaxy bypass this or is a limation of the event logic? |
| 19:16.15 | Kueken | in galaxy script, where you can freely register events at any point, you are free to use non-constant variables for these events |
| 19:16.23 | ArcanePariah | Ok |
| 19:16.44 | ArcanePariah | Is the reason it does static is to prevent events registering with null pointers? |
| 19:17.04 | Kueken | I am not entirely sure about the reasoning |
| 19:17.28 | ArcanePariah | Well, afaik, the GUI is "safe" ie, it will not permit you to do anything that by itself will crash sc2 |
| 19:17.30 | Kueken | WC3 had Gui support for post-initialization event registration |
| 19:18.16 | ArcanePariah | I would assume that events improperly coded could cause infinite loops or lockups |
| 19:18.33 | ArcanePariah | as they try to futiley determine if something triggered it or not |
| 19:18.46 | Ownage | how can i remove this model? |
| 19:19.09 | Kueken | well, there are a couple of things in gui that can cause major problems anyway, even syntax errors in the resulting script |
| 19:19.21 | Kueken | Ownage: send a Destroy actor message |
| 19:19.35 | JademusSreg | Naw, GUI can still fuck up, but it usually requires deliberate effort. |
| 19:20.37 | ArcanePariah | Well yeah, i meant a single action could not crash sc2, obviously you can still commit logic errors and crash it anyhow (I did it once, created an infinite chain of a damage response behavior, and trigger which dealt damage) |
| 19:21.07 | Ownage | you can crash the editor though :) |
| 19:21.09 | ArcanePariah | it usually led to not a crash but collosal lag as the thread count went berserk |
| 19:21.13 | ArcanePariah | Oh, that's easy lol |
| 19:21.37 | ArcanePariah | derping around in the data editor, sometimes I think it reaches some kind of inconsistent state and crashes |
| 19:22.01 | Kueken | there was a cute incident using boolexpr functions leading to a function definition within another function in the resulting script :p |
| 19:22.31 | Kueken | which galaxy script doesn't support, yet it was created this way by the Gui |
| 19:22.40 | Kueken | not sure if it got fixed yet |
| 19:22.51 | ArcanePariah | sounds like a fork bomb lol |
| 19:23.21 | ArcanePariah | (Dunno if anyone understood that) |
| 19:23.26 | Kueken | not me |
| 19:24.02 | Kueken | I am more of a spoon bomb person |
| 19:24.06 | ArcanePariah | In unix systems, there is a command called fork, which duplicates the current running program at that time and runs it in parallel with original |
| 19:24.25 | ArcanePariah | problem is, you could wirte a program who calls fork, then calls itself |
| 19:25.06 | ArcanePariah | so it duplicates itself first, then calls the function again, which calls fork, then calls itself again... repeat forever, and since each copy will do the same commands, it copies itself millions of times |
| 19:25.14 | ArcanePariah | and ends up using up all the RAM |
| 19:25.39 | Zolden | Kueken don't you remember, what even message heppens when an item got picked up by a unit? |
| 19:25.51 | ArcanePariah | Inventory manipulated |
| 19:26.00 | Zolden | is it actor event? |
| 19:26.06 | ArcanePariah | no, a unit one |
| 19:26.14 | ArcanePariah | Unit manipulated inventory |
| 19:26.28 | Zolden | are you talking about triggers? |
| 19:26.30 | ArcanePariah | and one of the options is picked up, there is gained, lost, moved, dropped |
| 19:26.33 | ArcanePariah | yes |
| 19:26.36 | Zolden | I want data |
| 19:26.52 | ArcanePariah | oh |
| 19:26.53 | Kueken | you need an actor event triggering for item pickup? |
| 19:27.09 | Zolden | Kueken yes, to destroy a model that is attached to the item |
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| 19:27.52 | Kueken | so it needs to be an actor event that triggers on the actor of the unit which is being picked up as an item |
| 19:28.05 | Kueken | I have no idea if such a thing exist |
| 19:28.26 | Kueken | but you should be able to use the trigger event to send an actor message via trigger |
| 19:28.33 | Obscene | Could you attach a behavior to the item unit and use that? |
| 19:28.33 | Zolden | Kueken waht about the unit that picks up the item? does it have any? |
| 19:28.57 | Kueken | what Obscene just said would be possible in this case |
| 19:28.57 | Zolden | Kueken I want to do it without triggers |
| 19:29.08 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, I would create a dummy behavior on the item when it gets carried, and check for that behavior |
| 19:29.15 | ArcanePariah | so use actor event: Behavior on |
| 19:29.31 | Obscene | Well there ya go :) back to GTA V |
| 19:29.38 | Obscene | I almost have all the collectables |
| 19:29.41 | Kueken | but the behavior would always go to the carrying unit |
| 19:29.44 | Obscene | wanna get 100% before tuesday |
| 19:29.56 | Zolden | behavior on - on unit? and then how to reference the actor attached to the item? |
| 19:30.09 | Kueken | no idea if you can |
| 19:30.18 | Kueken | besides stuff like global references maybe |
| 19:30.28 | ArcanePariah | True, but the item disappears from view I thought, item units once placed in inventory become Hidden and can't be seen? |
| 19:30.57 | Zolden | yea, but the attached actor doesn't become hidden and is still seen |
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| 19:31.05 | Zolden | maybe it doesn't inherit shot? |
| 19:31.07 | Kueken | yeah, you could try to make the attachments inherit visibility status |
| 19:31.33 | Zolden | Dzuke911 yea, what Kueken said |
| 19:31.45 | Zolden | probably the attached actor doesn't inherit visibility |
| 19:32.00 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, that would be simplest, by default model actors do not inheriret anything |
| 19:32.19 | ArcanePariah | well depends on the actor parent but yeah |
| 19:32.20 | Zolden | realy? I thought they inherit some things like scale |
| 19:32.35 | Kueken | yes, depends on parent |
| 19:32.45 | ArcanePariah | Depedns on the parent |
| 19:32.53 | ArcanePariah | ModelAddition inherites some stuff |
| 19:33.06 | ArcanePariah | ModelAnimationOneShot inherits nothing |
| 19:33.08 | Zolden | ok, he's checking |
| 19:33.14 | Obscene | Model Actors do Inherit. |
| 19:33.19 | Obscene | :P |
| 19:33.28 | Obscene | I know because I have to remove the settings every time haha |
| 19:33.31 | ArcanePariah | They can, but how many people use the actual base model actor? |
| 19:33.38 | Obscene | < |
| 19:33.39 | Obscene | :P |
| 19:34.22 | ArcanePariah | Well... even thing, the base CActorModel inherits nothing |
| 19:35.02 | ArcanePariah | and even that really isn't base, since CActorModel is a child of CActorBearings |
| 19:36.11 | Obscene | All those do is set Events and such |
| 19:36.20 | Kueken | and inheritance |
| 19:36.22 | Kueken | :) |
| 19:36.35 | Obscene | The fields are still there, they are just not being used or are using in a certain way |
| 19:36.51 | Zolden | Obscene mage in action http://i.snag.gy/fE6l1.jpg |
| 19:37.13 | Obscene | Looks good zolden :) |
| 19:37.21 | Zolden | yea :) |
| 19:37.39 | Zolden | inherit helped, thanks guys |
| 19:37.50 | ArcanePariah | lol reminds me of Wc1 Warlock |
| 19:37.53 | Obscene | All those things are, are presets :) |
| 19:37.58 | Obscene | Its the Warcraft 2 Mage |
| 19:38.01 | Obscene | or wizard |
| 19:38.05 | Obscene | whichever you wanna call it |
| 19:38.19 | Zolden | ArcanePariah yeam it's wc1 conjurer, now i'll add summon scorpion abil |
| 19:38.23 | ArcanePariah | Yeah well, wc2 mage had fireball, not firestorm, and had blizzard |
| 19:39.00 | ArcanePariah | oh thats right, human conjurers had firestorm, locks had poison clouds |
| 19:39.17 | ArcanePariah | Been... a while :p |
| 19:39.24 | Kueken | Zolden: does the model you made for Serashin need custom textures? |
| 19:39.27 | ArcanePariah | Sad that I do rmbr this stuff :P |
| 19:39.47 | Zolden | Kueken nope, it's all colors |
| 19:39.51 | Kueken | kk |
| 19:40.37 | Zolden | ArcanePariah old games were simple and made with love, they utilized our imagination, and good memories remained... we also had better memories as children |
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| 19:44.57 | ArcanePariah | Jade, thanks, also how do you alias such that if Arc will highlight me? |
| 19:45.03 | Daara | man that's not cool i already have a cist in my balls |
| 19:45.12 | ArcanePariah | TMI |
| 19:45.16 | ArcanePariah | ouch |
| 19:45.18 | JademusSreg | Arc, depends on the client. |
| 19:45.21 | Otixa | ^ |
| 19:45.23 | JademusSreg | *cyst |
| 19:45.26 | Daara | cyst |
| 19:45.28 | Daara | ty jade |
| 19:45.33 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 19:45.51 | Otixa | hits JademusSreg with serialization |
| 19:45.55 | ArcanePariah | is it a standard IRC command that I can run? If so I do have logon script capability |
| 19:46.30 | Otixa | it's a setting from the client |
| 19:46.35 | Otixa | dunno about ChatZilla tho |
| 19:46.47 | Zolden | ArcanePariah I would use persistent with offsets to create fireballs, it was my first idea. But then I just made a model of the whole storm, and created it at persistent (that periodically searches for 6 random target to deal some dmg) |
| 19:47.09 | ArcanePariah | Ahh kk |
| 19:47.56 | ArcanePariah | I was curious, because IIRC, Zulven in HotS campaign fight uses a region actor with a randomized strike thing for his lighting attack towards the end |
| 19:48.19 | ArcanePariah | to create the lighting storm effect while doing uniform damage in the area |
| 19:48.29 | Zolden | I never heard of region actor and random shit within it |
| 19:48.44 | Zolden | there are lots of data approaches I don 't use ;/ |
| 19:49.05 | Kueken | there is a random point in circle site operation |
| 19:49.13 | Zolden | sweet |
| 19:49.15 | ArcanePariah | Ahh... yeah, theres actors to do region stuff, as well as querey actors to determine actors in a region to do actiosn against them |
| 19:49.44 | Zolden | and what if I want to pick a random point in a region to deal damage? do we have it in effects? |
| 19:49.51 | ArcanePariah | for instance, nuke runs a querey region actor and sends a message to all doodads actors it find that are nukable, and sends a kill message |
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| 19:50.16 | Kueken | Zolden: Anything with damage will not be handled by actors anymore |
| 19:50.26 | Ownage | oh I tried facing too I think |
| 19:50.31 | JademusSreg | is an anthropomorphized encyclopedia. |
| 19:50.37 | Kueken | ArcanePariah: I made a query actor once that made trees grow when a barine walks by :D |
| 19:50.44 | Kueken | *marine |
| 19:50.53 | ArcanePariah | unfortnuetly, no we can not, effects are synchronous, thus all data that is not actors is static, all you can do is create a long list of offsets and pick at random from those offsets |
| 19:51.00 | JademusSreg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search/barine |
| 19:51.06 | ArcanePariah | to do random damage effects in an aoe |
| 19:51.11 | ArcanePariah | in pure data |
| 19:51.21 | Zolden | Kueken damage effect, that happened, can be used to create actor at it. But can we somehow get a random point in a region? |
| 19:51.24 | Zolden | with effects |
| 19:51.36 | ArcanePariah | We can't, not true random |
| 19:51.40 | Kueken | with triggers, easily |
| 19:51.41 | Zolden | good |
| 19:51.44 | Kueken | in data, not so much |
| 19:51.50 | Zolden | this means my programm wasn't in vein |
| 19:51.58 | ArcanePariah | Triggers can do it trivbially |
| 19:52.00 | Kueken | you can use a persistent with tons of random offsets |
| 19:52.11 | Kueken | but thats as close as you get |
| 19:52.25 | Zolden | I made a program to generate a set of points in a circle, to pick one randomly via persistent's random offset flag |
| 19:52.46 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, in my map, i have to use triggers for the character that does such a thing (Artillery character), and it has to use triggers and then runs the damage effect from there |
| 19:52.59 | Kueken | you could make a program to create XML code for tons of offsets :D |
| 19:53.08 | ArcanePariah | Yeah i was tempted once to do that |
| 19:53.18 | Zolden | Kueken we can only have 32, aren't we? |
| 19:53.27 | Zolden | in the offsets field of persistent |
| 19:53.33 | Kueken | maybe |
| 19:53.40 | ArcanePariah | 30 IIRC |
| 19:53.42 | Kueken | you can make linked persistents |
| 19:53.42 | Zolden | so, i created 30 |
| 19:54.10 | Kueken | like one handles x offset, the other handles y |
| 19:54.11 | Zolden | well, 30 is ok for randomness |
| 19:54.17 | Kueken | that way you have 30x30 |
| 19:54.20 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, you could just create a persistent, and as its perioidc effects, create N persistens, and each of those have 30 offsets |
| 19:54.22 | Zolden | yea, right |
| 19:54.28 | ArcanePariah | so N*30 |
| 19:55.00 | ArcanePariah | and since it can be chained forever, it really is 30^N |
| 19:55.18 | Zolden | sounds badass |
| 19:55.21 | ArcanePariah | Actually that brings up a question, is there a limit on the number of effects in an effect chain? |
| 19:55.29 | JademusSreg | Easy to break down by sectors. |
| 19:55.41 | Zolden | if hitler knew it, he'd called stack overflow spell to the britain |
| 19:55.49 | Kueken | there is a limit on simultaneously executed effects in a chain |
| 19:56.01 | Kueken | at some point, you will need to delay it a game tick |
| 19:56.02 | ArcanePariah | That's for sets tho |
| 19:56.20 | twiodoei | GO WAR TO CRAFT! |
| 19:56.24 | ArcanePariah | I'm wondering if you started an effect chain and has a length of say... 1000? |
| 19:56.29 | Zolden | there is a limit of simultaniously executed opposition politicians in china |
| 19:56.31 | ArcanePariah | would it fail at some point? |
| 19:56.37 | Kueken | try it out |
| 19:57.15 | Kueken | when I tested a recursive persistent with a delay, it didn't seem to stop ever |
| 19:57.19 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... I think I will, ill create a cycle (Efffect A -> Effect B -> Effect C -> Effect A again |
| 19:57.37 | ArcanePariah | Oh ok, then that answer it, there is no runtime limitation like a trigger on data effects |
| 19:57.40 | Zolden | add a counter on caster to cap it |
| 19:57.49 | Zolden | and use only 1 effect |
| 19:57.56 | JademusSreg | Arguably if one is hitting such a limit, one has a poorly designed effect tree. |
| 19:58.03 | JademusSreg | Which demands another approach. |
| 19:58.23 | ArcanePariah | Agreed, if it is that long, there almost certainly another game subsytem that can do it better |
| 19:58.32 | Kueken | don#t start with logic now, Jade, would you? |
| 19:58.34 | ArcanePariah | Probably a trigger |
| 19:59.16 | Kueken | I need to make my client highlight me when someone types Keuken |
| 19:59.28 | Kueken | somehow that happens all the time |
| 19:59.47 | ArcanePariah | I must ask, since you all have been aroudn longer then me, was triggers used more and in a bruteforce fashion because the relative clunkiness of the data editor? |
| 20:00.10 | Zolden | JademusSreg actually "this is too complex, need better approach" step of thinking is one of the best inventions of mind evolutions. This makes us not lost in brain recursivity |
| 20:00.15 | Kueken | nah, there are 2 main forces |
| 20:00.21 | Kueken | the data people and the trigger people |
| 20:00.24 | ArcanePariah | Because I have spent a staggering amount of time with NotD simply redoing trigger based stuff into data |
| 20:00.46 | ArcanePariah | the trigger based stuff was more straightforward, less abstract, but ugly adn inefficient |
| 20:00.50 | ArcanePariah | Oh? |
| 20:00.57 | Kueken | the data people attempt to do everything in data and only use triggers for tasks data can absolutely not do |
| 20:01.05 | Kueken | and the trigger people are the othr way around |
| 20:01.27 | ArcanePariah | Oh boy.... kind of the problem of "If you have only a hammer, every problem starts looking like a nail?" |
| 20:01.30 | Kueken | they are locked in an eternal war for supremacy |
| 20:02.29 | ArcanePariah | Well... I think one key issue is the underlying idea of each module is not explicitly stated anywhere and frankly, requires a CS education to understand correctly (probably why people think the data editor is a complete clusterfuck but really does make a great deal of sense) |
| 20:02.36 | Zolden | ArcanePariah the more you can do in data, the more you do |
| 20:02.52 | Zolden | ArcanePariah the more you try doing things in data, the more you can do |
| 20:03.11 | Zolden | ArcanePariah and the more you mapmake, the more you can do in data |
| 20:03.11 | ArcanePariah | Namely: the data editor is a finite state machine, the trigger editor is event based logic, one is based in time, one is not (trigger, data respectively) |
| 20:03.25 | Kueken | there is a common misconception that anything you can do in data is always more efficient than the same thing in triggers |
| 20:03.25 | ArcanePariah | And most games have very little actual event logic to them |
| 20:03.42 | Kueken | independant on how you actually realized it in data |
| 20:03.42 | ArcanePariah | Efficient, not always, and define "efficient" :P |
| 20:03.55 | Kueken | exactly |
| 20:04.07 | JademusSreg | AMAP |
| 20:04.19 | ArcanePariah | I imagine there are plenty of things that runtime are more efficent in data, but take vastly too much time for a developer, and thus it is more efficient to write the 4 line trigger to do the job |
| 20:04.36 | Kueken | if a trigger solution takes 1 line of script, and a data approach would involve plastering the entire map with dummy units, people still believe data is more efficient |
| 20:04.43 | Zolden | data solutions are simplier to to and to modify, work faster both in terms of response and perfomance |
| 20:04.43 | ArcanePariah | ... |
| 20:04.53 | Otixa | Bitches, I kill you |
| 20:05.12 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, the advantage of data is that its fundamnetal design makes it far far more resistent to logic errors |
| 20:05.21 | ArcanePariah | at least from my experience |
| 20:05.22 | Zolden | gives "kill all bitches" button to Otixa |
| 20:05.34 | Otixa | KILL THE FUCKING ENEMY |
| 20:05.35 | ArcanePariah | pray Otixia does not press the button |
| 20:05.37 | Otixa | BURN BURN |
| 20:06.14 | Otixa | EATS THE BUTTON |
| 20:06.37 | JademusSreg | One should prefer data solutions AMAP, as much as is practical, because data is handled more efficiently by the engine than the galaxy vm. It's the difference between mainlining and insulfation of illicit substances. |
| 20:06.44 | ArcanePariah | Personally I feel one major downfall of the data editor is the fact there isn't a screaming red light or a far more obvious segregations of actors and everything else, since actors are asyynchronous, as opposed to literarlly everything else in the editor |
| 20:06.49 | Kueken | also common misconception include, that triggers have some sort of inherent delay and data is not |
| 20:07.04 | Kueken | not to mention the "periodic events always lag" |
| 20:07.04 | ArcanePariah | delay no, overhead, yes |
| 20:07.17 | JademusSreg | Which is not to say a data solution is always more efficient; one can fuck up data as readily as one can fuck up program logic of a trigger. |
| 20:07.30 | ArcanePariah | I would assume both run equally as fast, but a data solution will consume less memory |
| 20:07.43 | ArcanePariah | since it is statically determined and not interpreted at runtime |
| 20:08.00 | Zolden | alttabs to data editor and creates a trigger there |
| 20:08.32 | ArcanePariah | Similar logic is applied to modern coding languages, I can make Java run just as fast as C, but C will always use less memory, for no other reason then it doesn't need a VM to run |
| 20:09.13 | ArcanePariah | In the end it all gets run as C/C++ anyhow (I doubt the engine is coded in any other language) |
| 20:09.52 | A1win | it takes more than just memory to interpret code on runtime ;p |
| 20:09.58 | JademusSreg | Probably has some wrappers for interacting with Adobe Flash shitscript. |
| 20:10.25 | ArcanePariah | umm no, thats entirely seperate, Blizzard uses the same engine/platform a ton of other game do for the UI/Flash stuff |
| 20:10.36 | ArcanePariah | they just license/buy scaleform |
| 20:10.45 | Zolden | reallocates memory with html |
| 20:10.56 | ArcanePariah | http://gameware.autodesk.com/usage/games |
| 20:10.57 | Kueken | thank god I am not the only one who things adobe flash player is a piece of shit |
| 20:11.08 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:11.29 | A1win | is there someone who thinks it's not |
| 20:11.31 | JademusSreg | I could check the client to verify that, but can't be bothered to atm. |
| 20:12.29 | ArcanePariah | Adobe flash player is a piece of shit because it was never ever made with techincal people in mind, it was made for designers, because the cold hard reality is, it is cheaper to save a few hours of developer time with a good tool then it is to upgrade a computer of any kind |
| 20:12.38 | JademusSreg | ^ |
| 20:13.04 | JademusSreg | Age old problem of Designers vs Engineers |
| 20:13.08 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 20:13.32 | ArcanePariah | same reason java is popular in enterpirse, people are expensive as fuck, hardware is dirt cheap, avg developer in the US goes for 40K + a year salaray (all the way up to 100+ k) and a off the shel intel blade server runs less then 1k |
| 20:13.58 | Dustin | lol I hate people |
| 20:14.01 | ArcanePariah | so rather have developers spend 1 less week coding and just buy 5 more servers if needed |
| 20:14.28 | ArcanePariah | Yes people suck, Dunning Kunniger is a bitch |
| 20:14.32 | Dustin | If they would stay in my lobby, instead of disconnecting I'd be good. But within 1 minute like 5 people joined and left in 5 seconds |
| 20:15.12 | ArcanePariah | Hence I look forward to the day of automated cars, people drive like garbage, I swear its a miracle so few die each year to auto acccidents |
| 20:15.50 | ArcanePariah | Defensive driving, hah, most driving I see around me, its a combat zone, and the rules of the road are mere sugguestions |
| 20:19.32 | ArcanePariah | Interesting, Blizzard use Scaleform for SC2 UI, but didn't for Diablo 3, guess they rolled their own UI for that (probably explains a few things...) |
| 20:19.32 | ArcanePariah | or the UI is just like SC2 hyperion, just uses in game engine instead of flash altogether |
| 20:19.32 | Stewox | helo |
| 20:19.32 | Stewox | how do i make a unit only be able to use a weapon in certain region |
| 20:19.32 | Stewox | i have a siege tank in siege mode |
| 20:19.32 | Stewox | he's on a cliff |
| 20:19.32 | Stewox | and enemies are below cliff |
| 20:19.40 | Stewox | i tried to use vision blocker on the edges on the cliff |
| 20:19.43 | Stewox | doesn't work |
| 20:22.16 | JademusSreg | Why would one want to do that? |
| 20:22.25 | Stewox | does it matter ? |
| 20:22.28 | ArcanePariah | Do what? |
| 20:22.42 | JademusSreg | Yes, Stew, it matters. |
| 20:22.47 | Stewox | i want a siege tank fire only at the center of the map |
| 20:22.52 | Stewox | not around the map in all directions |
| 20:23.01 | ArcanePariah | Also, another question, that is an old recurring, what can cause units to bug out and become invulnerable at 1 hp? |
| 20:23.05 | Stewox | but i don't want to disable 360 arc slop |
| 20:23.56 | JademusSreg | Arc, life total rollover, prevent death flag, behavior buff preventing death via response. |
| 20:23.58 | Stewox | the siege tank sits just on the edge of the central map region |
| 20:24.34 | ArcanePariah | Well, in the instances that it occurs, none of those are present |
| 20:24.48 | Stewox | what occurs |
| 20:24.54 | A1win | if the siege tank is not player controlled, control its fire with an AI |
| 20:25.14 | Stewox | can i order it to fire on points ? |
| 20:25.19 | JademusSreg | Stew, could have something in the map center apply a hidden buff. Have the weapon's root effect use a validator to check for said buff. |
| 20:25.45 | Stewox | never done that before |
| 20:25.59 | Stewox | that's a good idea |
| 20:26.10 | ArcanePariah | and what is life total rollover, is that basically an integer overflow (I did run in to that when I adjust units HP with palyer handicap, after a certain value (255 I think) it rolls over |
| 20:26.35 | Stewox | what kind of a hidden buff should I add ? |
| 20:26.40 | JademusSreg | Life is a fixed-type value, not int. |
| 20:26.52 | JademusSreg | Stew, just a new buff behavior. |
| 20:26.59 | JademusSreg | Add a new one. |
| 20:26.59 | Stewox | okay |
| 20:27.17 | Stewox | what's difference fixed type and int ? |
| 20:27.18 | JademusSreg | Doesn't need any other values, though you may want to enable the Hidden flag. |
| 20:27.28 | Stewox | ok |
| 20:27.41 | Dustin | Do you keep saying Stew when you take a bite of stew JademusSreg? |
| 20:27.45 | JademusSreg | Fixed type only allocates 19 bits for whole number representation. |
| 20:27.45 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so what can cause it to become stuck at 1 then? I do have triggers that events of Unit takes damage, and Unit Dies (which I probably ought to consolidate) |
| 20:27.55 | JademusSreg | Dustin, hah. |
| 20:28.11 | ArcanePariah | MMM, stew.... tasty |
| 20:28.13 | Dustin | I got Stewox ignored so it confused me at first :P |
| 20:28.36 | A1win | that is why you shouldn't ignore people ;> |
| 20:29.01 | A1win | just mentally ignore them |
| 20:29.04 | Dustin | It didnt confuse me long enough to care :P |
| 20:29.15 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/triggers/types/fixed/ |
| 20:29.16 | Dustin | Nah, just reading his shit angers me |
| 20:29.21 | A1win | hehe |
| 20:29.45 | JademusSreg | Since life and other vitals are fixed, 524287 is the limit. |
| 20:29.46 | ArcanePariah | Can I also assume that it is a good idea to turn triggers on and off as needed in order to reduce triggers firing and wasted runtime (as well as wasted threads in the limited thread pool)? |
| 20:29.48 | Kueken | ArcanePariah: Triggers cannot prevent unit death, as far as I am aware |
| 20:29.59 | Stewox | ergo ..."defense mechanism" |
| 20:30.05 | Stewox | ah okay |
| 20:30.09 | Stewox | anyways |
| 20:30.15 | Stewox | can I do it with kindofs ? |
| 20:30.21 | Stewox | like "worker" ? |
| 20:30.40 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, I figured as much, but then something is leading to an inconsistent state where an enemy becomes stuck at 1 Hp, sometimes it is normal enemies, sometimes it is bosses |
| 20:31.04 | JademusSreg | You can validate anything validators let you check. Or validate anything you feel free to "tag" with some value validators can check. |
| 20:31.30 | Stewox | well if I can make a unit change it's kindof in triggers i can do it without validators |
| 20:32.09 | JademusSreg | Arc, you're certain it's not an overflow at work? Could perform a text dump of the unit properties to check. |
| 20:33.42 | JademusSreg | "Kindof" isn't a technical term, so it's not clear to me what is intended here. |
| 20:34.07 | Stewox | kind of |
| 20:34.10 | Stewox | kind |
| 20:34.19 | Stewox | kind of a worker |
| 20:34.22 | Stewox | kind of a structure |
| 20:34.26 | Stewox | FLAGS ... dammit |
| 20:34.37 | Stewox | my C&C past ... |
| 20:34.44 | Stewox | they call it KindOf |
| 20:34.48 | Stewox | blizzard calls it Flags |
| 20:34.55 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:35.14 | JademusSreg | Well, some flags can be modified by buffs, but not all. |
| 20:35.28 | Stewox | Set Unit Property did not make anything useful |
| 20:37.16 | JademusSreg | A behavior count validator + behavior applying mechanism (either by data or trigger) would be effective. |
| 20:54.50 | Stewox | what if I use acquire target sorts ? |
| 20:54.59 | Stewox | is that for how many units are clumpted together ? |
| 20:55.02 | Stewox | or what |
| 20:55.25 | Stewox | for example don't fire if the weapon will hit only 1 unit |
| 20:55.28 | A1win | sorting order for choosing the target |
| 20:58.26 | Stewox | not sure how that works |
| 20:58.48 | Stewox | this can be used to target damaged units first ? |
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| 21:04.05 | twiodoei | NA mapnight anyone? |
| 21:04.18 | Stewox | a1win how can i disable "our allies are being attacked" and "warning pings on minimap" |
| 21:04.33 | A1win | edit the alerts that cause them |
| 21:05.07 | Stewox | where? |
| 21:05.18 | A1win | data editor, Alerts |
| 21:09.42 | Zolden | conjurer and his scorpions http://i.snag.gy/4SSIY.jpg |
| 21:11.40 | twiodoei | yeah some orange juice |
| 21:12.23 | Zolden | orange deuce of scorpions (he spawns 2) |
| 21:12.28 | Stewox | a1win do you know how can I take full control of camera ingame so i can zoom out in and rotate like i do in editor ? |
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| 21:17.21 | A1win | well can't do exactly like in editor but there's the mouse rotation thing that you can enable with triggers |
| 21:18.41 | Zolden | we can imitate editor's camera control with triggers |
| 21:18.59 | MoonEater916 | hihi |
| 21:19.11 | Zolden | hey |
| 21:19.43 | A1win | sleep time |
| 21:19.51 | A1win | Android: Netrunner tournament tomorrow o: |
| 21:20.25 | A1win | with a huge number of 4 players |
| 21:20.30 | Zolden | wow |
| 21:20.44 | Zolden | sounds like the whole earth population |
| 21:20.59 | twiodoei | it feels like US mapnight with 3,5 men |
| 21:21.22 | Zolden | i'm not in the mood for play, will read a book |
| 21:23.11 | Stewox | and how do i do that |
| 21:25.15 | Stewox | twiodoei |
| 21:25.20 | Stewox | mapnight |
| 21:25.34 | Stewox | but im eu how do i change serv? |
| 21:25.40 | Stewox | didnt they unlock |
| 21:25.48 | Zolden | just catch the same combinations of the keys, like alt + middle mouse button + mouse move ->odify camera rotation/position |
| 21:26.02 | Stewox | oh |
| 21:26.04 | Stewox | ok |
| 21:26.12 | twiodoei | esc and in the menu there is global planet |
| 21:26.23 | twiodoei | you click that and you get to choose the server |
| 21:28.34 | Otixa | For you guys |
| 21:28.44 | Otixa | Freshly squeezed potatoes |
| 21:29.15 | Otixa | twiodoei, wut mapnight? |
| 21:29.30 | twiodoei | map night! |
| 21:29.31 | twiodoei | US |
| 21:29.33 | twiodoei | stuff |
| 21:29.37 | twiodoei | we come and do nothing |
| 21:30.00 | Otixa | sounds like something I'd enjoy |
| 21:30.19 | twiodoei | okay |
| 21:30.24 | twiodoei | we will waitting |
| 21:30.28 | twiodoei | FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRR |
| 21:30.31 | twiodoei | UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 21:30.34 | Otixa | ;P |
| 21:30.40 | Otixa | k, I'll drop by later |
| 21:30.42 | Otixa | camming with gf atm |
| 21:30.57 | Otixa | she's learning programming in haggisland xD |
| 21:31.12 | Stewox | twiodoei what about code ? |
| 21:31.15 | Stewox | player nums |
| 21:31.35 | twiodoei | currently 4 - 6 |
| 21:32.24 | Stewox | no no |
| 21:32.28 | Stewox | player friend number damn it |
| 21:32.37 | Stewox | oh |
| 21:32.43 | twiodoei | ahhhh? |
| 21:32.48 | Stewox | i just needto search for it |
| 21:33.36 | twiodoei | Otixa how much till ETA? |
| 21:33.43 | Otixa | 20min-ish |
| 21:34.03 | twiodoei | okay |
| 21:34.07 | Stewox | twiodoei where are you people ? |
| 21:34.15 | Stewox | i don't see more than 1 in scmapster |
| 21:34.24 | twiodoei | starcraft://group/1/129749 |
| 21:35.07 | Stewox | okay im in |
| 21:35.11 | Stewox | how the hell did you find me ? |
| 21:36.19 | Stewox | you are twodie? |
| 21:36.42 | twiodoei | Same troll |
| 21:36.58 | Otixa | twiodoei, hao join? |
| 21:37.50 | twiodoei | what? |
| 21:37.54 | twiodoei | how to join? |
| 21:38.10 | twiodoei | well we started some airstopeing map now.... |
| 21:39.11 | Otixa | just add Otixa.174 |
| 21:39.57 | twiodoei | join chat: starcraft://group/1/129749 |
| 21:40.01 | twiodoei | group |
| 21:40.09 | Otixa | how?! |
| 21:40.11 | Otixa | :C |
| 21:43.10 | Otixa | no, seriously. how? ;p |
| 21:43.16 | Otixa | twiodoei |
| 21:43.25 | twiodoei | whats how? |
| 21:43.29 | twiodoei | how to enter chat? |
| 21:43.43 | twiodoei | enter the link i gave you to chat and click on it |
| 21:43.52 | twiodoei | it should open fo you the group |
| 21:59.34 | Stewox | what now |
| 22:03.37 | Stewox | twiodoei |
| 22:04.00 | twiodoei | well you not left the game in time now you wait for something |
| 22:20.41 | Stewox | twiodoei |
| 22:20.45 | Stewox | where are u now |
| 22:20.54 | twiodoei | going to sleep any sec |
| 22:21.13 | Stewox | i was writting something to you |
| 22:21.15 | Stewox | ah |
| 22:21.17 | Stewox | nvm |
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| 22:44.36 | ZandoseAFK | hello ya'll |
| 22:48.36 | Zandose | anyone know what time zolden likes to get on? |
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| 23:02.34 | Zandose | fine be that way! :P |
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