| 00:01.13 | Vampire | how do you use a library? |
| 00:03.23 | DeadZergling | have to download it and import it with the trigger editor |
| 00:04.14 | Vampire | k i fugured out |
| 00:05.05 | JademusSreg | Vamp, send me a list of questions via sc2mapster forum PM and I'll provide answers. |
| 00:06.15 | DeadZergling | just don't answer any that could result in a twilight mod |
| 00:06.25 | JademusSreg | Baduntsss |
| 00:08.03 | Vampire | k have my kick command and list playername number and handle in a library now |
| 00:09.18 | Vampire | k updated my map |
| 00:50.51 | Vailreth | blargh i want in hearthstone beta |
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| 01:07.56 | MoonEater | hello! |
| 01:08.37 | MoonEater | ~seen stewox |
| 01:08.39 | purl | stewox is currently on #sc2mapster (8h 3m 44s). Has said a total of 55 messages. Is idling for 3h 9m 59s, last said: 'ah, these gifs don't get old http://sphotos-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1184920_430377143746358_447601980_n.jpg'. |
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| 01:33.39 | JademusSreg | Zorgglepork. |
| 01:35.58 | Kueken | now thats just weird |
| 01:36.12 | Kueken | and I am not gonna google it! |
| 01:36.23 | DeadZergling | could be worse, could be sharks |
| 01:36.24 | JademusSreg | So was James Joyce. |
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| 01:56.56 | Obscene | There its done http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/art-assets/58104-warcraft-3-borders-toggle-button/#p1 |
| 01:57.32 | JademusSreg | What's with the odd tiling edges in the fill? |
| 01:57.45 | Obscene | :/ |
| 01:58.03 | Obscene | Dunno, dont care :P |
| 01:58.09 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 01:58.11 | Obscene | they are enough of a pain int he ass as it is haha |
| 02:01.13 | Obscene | They are nativly such low resolution I had to go down to the very pixel to add the alpha channel |
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| 02:09.04 | Obscene | Blizzard likes to change subtle things to annoy -_- |
| 02:09.10 | Obscene | Things that should never have changed haha |
| 02:09.28 | Obscene | Such as the space between the sides of the borders in horizontal borders. |
| 02:09.32 | Obscene | :P |
| 02:09.38 | Obscene | They changed it by 2 pixels.... |
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| 03:19.03 | MoonEater | holy shit |
| 03:19.06 | MoonEater | JADE!!!! |
| 03:19.08 | MoonEater | JADEE |
| 03:19.14 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 03:19.25 | MoonEater | theres a new library |
| 03:19.35 | MoonEater | i think you should give your smack down on |
| 03:19.40 | MoonEater | it terrible idea |
| 03:19.43 | JademusSreg | Link? |
| 03:19.48 | MoonEater | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/trigger-libraries/57968-viral-bank-injector-vbi-character-code-locker-ccl/#p6 |
| 03:19.50 | MoonEater | i mean |
| 03:19.55 | MoonEater | i gawked in horrow |
| 03:19.58 | MoonEater | horror |
| 03:20.38 | MoonEater | THE HORROR JADE!!! |
| 03:21.04 | JademusSreg | Scroll to the top, and see vic. |
| 03:21.11 | JademusSreg | Makes sense. |
| 03:21.34 | MoonEater | i didnt say it didnt make sense |
| 03:21.35 | MoonEater | i said |
| 03:21.37 | MoonEater | its a bad idea |
| 03:22.14 | JademusSreg | I'll dig through it in a few minutes, but I admit I am initially quite skeptical of such claims. |
| 03:22.25 | MoonEater | it uses the bank |
| 03:22.29 | MoonEater | to make minor patches |
| 03:22.31 | MoonEater | to games |
| 03:22.34 | MoonEater | on the fly |
| 03:22.39 | MoonEater | THE BANK!!! |
| 03:22.44 | MoonEater | bank= keyword |
| 03:22.49 | MoonEater | and it does it virally |
| 03:23.10 | MoonEater | screw the code |
| 03:23.11 | JademusSreg | Viral banks are old hat. |
| 03:23.20 | MoonEater | if its using banks that means i can hijack updates |
| 03:23.27 | MoonEater | i know they are |
| 03:23.33 | MoonEater | nexus wars figured it out |
| 03:23.34 | MoonEater | but |
| 03:23.40 | MoonEater | this is hijackable |
| 03:23.44 | MoonEater | by other users |
| 03:24.19 | MoonEater | whats to stop me from opening the map cracking the encryption then making my own update? |
| 03:24.22 | JademusSreg | Banks are invariably vulnerable, so yeah, almost certainly. |
| 03:24.23 | MoonEater | that overrides his? |
| 03:24.35 | MoonEater | exactly |
| 03:24.50 | MoonEater | so this is godly smack down |
| 03:24.53 | MoonEater | its dangerous |
| 03:25.24 | MoonEater | and not because of religion |
| 03:25.41 | JademusSreg | Alright. Gonna get a drink, get my burger from the microwave, void metabolic waste, et cetera, and then I'll be ready to dig in. |
| 03:26.36 | MoonEater | this is one of those books that needs burning |
| 03:26.37 | MoonEater | XD |
| 03:36.37 | JademusSreg | I doubt it works at all. |
| 03:36.55 | JademusSreg | Or rather, I doubt it does what his words would have people believe. |
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| 03:42.14 | ThunderLord | anyone feel like beta testing a game tonight? |
| 03:42.39 | JademusSreg | This code is plain dumb. |
| 03:48.55 | JademusSreg | writes a response. |
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| 04:23.21 | JademusSreg | Posted. |
| 04:26.37 | JademusSreg | Might be the worst code for hashing I've seen. Not the worst -idea- for hashing, of course. |
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| 04:52.32 | Ownage | how do you detect an idle player for 5 mintues? |
| 04:52.49 | Ownage | I get how to detect idle unit, but how do you tell if it's been idle for 5 mintues? |
| 04:53.17 | Ownage | or is there a better way to detect it? |
| 04:56.32 | Ownage | should I have each action reset an idle timer or something |
| 05:13.29 | Kueken | Ownage: check APM maybe? |
| 05:18.19 | Kueken | JademusSreg: A crushing post you wrote there :) |
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| 05:42.16 | MoonEater | Kueken, did the post dissapear? |
| 05:43.56 | MoonEater | OMG |
| 05:44.05 | MoonEater | i laughed soo hard reading what jade wrote |
| 05:58.32 | Kueken | I am pretty sure he didn't intend to humor anyone :) |
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| 06:03.27 | Daara | jade is funny even when he's being mean |
| 06:04.42 | Ahli | yay, thesis is done I've slept and I've eaten... yay |
| 06:19.38 | G0A | what post? |
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| 07:04.16 | Bommes | aloha |
| 07:05.22 | Stewox | hello |
| 07:19.17 | Stewox | so bommes |
| 07:19.26 | Stewox | you think the nannystate is there to help you ? |
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| 07:57.15 | Stewox | hey mooneater |
| 07:57.20 | Stewox | you summoned me ? |
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| 08:06.11 | G0A | why the fuck does this not working: |
| 08:06.12 | G0A | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.12 | G0A | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.12 | G0A | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.35 | G0A | it doesnt subtracts the energy from the current |
| 08:06.47 | G0A | but if I change the r to anything else it works |
| 08:07.05 | Stewox | i never worked with clamp |
| 08:07.51 | G0A | that doesnt matters |
| 08:08.09 | G0A | I pasted that to show its real |
| 08:10.34 | Stewox | what real ? |
| 08:10.43 | Stewox | im talking about Clamp function |
| 08:12.07 | G0A | r is real |
| 08:18.59 | Stewox | oh |
| 08:20.18 | Stewox | i think that nothing happens is because it compensates it self |
| 08:20.38 | Stewox | why not sticking some debug messaged between the lines |
| 08:20.55 | Stewox | checking for triggering unit current energy |
| 08:21.04 | Stewox | and putputting as a string to the message |
| 08:21.43 | Stewox | out* |
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| 08:24.48 | G0A | so if I add maximum energy it also adds to current energy |
| 08:24.50 | G0A | hmmm |
| 08:43.01 | Stewox | wll idk what you want to do |
| 08:43.02 | Stewox | anywas |
| 08:43.12 | Stewox | how do I edit DOODADS in data ? |
| 08:47.03 | G0A | actors |
| 09:00.16 | Stewox | thanks |
| 09:36.28 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 09:52.20 | Bommes | wazzup |
| 09:52.56 | JademusSreg | Wazzoop. |
| 09:53.06 | Bommes | it's so annoying that there are no attachment points at all for Goliath legs&feets |
| 09:53.15 | Bommes | *feet |
| 09:53.26 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 09:53.56 | Bommes | I could waste so much time going all physics on it and putting a self made physics body on the model |
| 09:53.57 | JademusSreg | Like roboboots? |
| 09:53.58 | Bommes | but nope |
| 09:54.17 | Bommes | yeah, silly little robo feet |
| 09:55.47 | JademusSreg | Yeah, no easy direct solution; would require adding attachment points for it to work properly. |
| 09:56.12 | Stewox | zup |
| 09:56.17 | Stewox | what's that suppose to mean |
| 09:56.23 | Bommes | of course I could make a super crazy workaround with scaling marines and forward vectors |
| 09:56.25 | Stewox | not an expert in broken society talk |
| 09:56.38 | Bommes | that are synced with the walk animation |
| 09:56.54 | Bommes | but that doesn't sound like it is very time efficient. |
| 09:57.01 | JademusSreg | Hahaha, sounds painful. Adding attachment points would be easier, I imagine. |
| 09:57.02 | Stewox | Steam doesn't work ? |
| 09:57.35 | Bommes | Triceron told me the export/import tools for 3DS/Blender have issues with Goliath and screw a lot of the animations up, dunno why though |
| 09:57.37 | Stewox | can't connect |
| 09:57.42 | Bommes | might be because of the turret or something |
| 09:58.00 | JademusSreg | Ah, yeah, turrets have historically been an issue. |
| 09:58.48 | JademusSreg | If it didn't need to match the robofeet exactly, could work out many solutions. =D |
| 09:58.53 | Bommes | so until I find someone who knows how to circumvent that problem I have to live with just having that poor static physics body that pushes ragdolls around like a bulldozer :( |
| 09:59.10 | JademusSreg | Yar. |
| 10:08.23 | Bommes | JademusSreg: You knew of that Forward Vector+Scaling thing to make animations? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-NuykXgHWU |
| 10:08.47 | Bommes | Takes about 10 times longer than with 3DS Max I'd imagine :D |
| 10:09.10 | Bommes | and costs 100 times more performance! |
| 10:09.13 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 10:09.30 | JademusSreg | I'm familiar with all the things. |
| 10:09.36 | Bommes | that's good. |
| 10:09.53 | JademusSreg | Still, despite gross performance abuse, that's pretty adorable. |
| 10:10.10 | G0A | :D |
| 10:10.20 | Bommes | do you know what happened with DrSuperEvils spider bot thing that he created? Is he still working on it? |
| 10:11.01 | Bommes | where he used a similar method with forward vectors, but combined it with missile movers to get animations |
| 10:11.33 | Bommes | somehow, I didn't look exactly into it how he did it, but looked really cool |
| 10:11.39 | JademusSreg | Hm, I heard of something like that, but memory is fuzzy on that, and I don't keep up with what other folks are doing unless people mention it to me. =D |
| 10:19.32 | JademusSreg | Had an idea recently for player-customized modified melee, basically allow players to create custom unit types/modify existing unit types as they please, but define the build cost by way of automated combat tests behind the scenes. So two parts, one map for Research & Development of units and their associated junk, other maps for actual gameplay. |
| 10:21.26 | JademusSreg | Automated combat testing would be done behind the scenes, two neutral players with timescale cranked up and hidden actors doing the work. |
| 10:22.37 | Bommes | sounds awesome :) but also a lot of work to find fitting customization options for the different unit types |
| 10:22.41 | Bommes | that work from a gameplay perspective |
| 10:23.14 | Bommes | but if its well done it sounds like something I would play a ton |
| 10:25.21 | JademusSreg | I figure give the player access to all the cool data shit, just requires a prefabbing n data entries of each type so they can be manipulated via catalog natives, and providing a friendly interface. |
| 10:27.28 | Bommes | It could also lead to some really fun conclusions on what unit characteristics are actually worth from a ressource perspective |
| 10:27.51 | Bommes | if the automated tests are well done, which would be the requirement for how well the map actually works |
| 10:27.56 | JademusSreg | Hm, hadn't considered the effect on league metagame. |
| 10:28.39 | JademusSreg | That would be interesting. |
| 10:28.56 | Bommes | I'd imagine the Blizzard balance testers ran a lot of automatic tests as well pre-beta testing |
| 10:33.31 | Otixa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7hHx7gdN68 |
| 10:35.16 | JademusSreg | My initial approach is to have n customUnits fight n standardUnits, iterating across each standard unit type worth testing against to determine their effectiveness versus one another, the performance factor against each type used to determine the resource cost of the customUnit. |
| 10:35.40 | Bommes | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-bIhCBSrzU |
| 10:36.25 | JademusSreg | Crude, but attempting to work out effectiveness from the data alone would invariably fail. |
| 10:37.05 | Bommes | I think just tinkering with factors for very micro specific values like speed could do the job. |
| 10:37.23 | Bommes | after that initial approach |
| 10:38.24 | Bommes | like take that iterated resource cost and multiply it with (x*speed) and other unit properties that are main suspects of scaling very well with player skill |
| 10:38.45 | JademusSreg | If some fool wants to make a supermecha with 10000 life and piss-weak weapon, well, I'd let em. |
| 10:42.04 | JademusSreg | I figure the automated testing should work pretty well. Should provide options for retesting and also providing a "test script", where the player can run a small test and provide through playtesting a routine for the automated testing. |
| 10:51.06 | JademusSreg | Only sucky part is that since banks must be used to save unit info, costs must be validated in the gameplay maps. =\ |
| 10:51.10 | JademusSreg | bbl |
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| 11:13.52 | G0A | lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGTye6Bv-I0#t=116 |
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| 11:56.34 | JademusSreg | Adorable. |
| 11:58.34 | twodie | ohhh fuckedy fuck... need to map old map to get featured... At least i need to make that happen month ago... wtf i was doing all that time............... |
| 12:11.42 | Bommes | fuck, I hate misclicking on the like buttons on youtube, you can't reverse it even when you liked the most stupid shitty comments or videos by accident |
| 12:17.16 | Raziel | stop watching shitty stupid videos |
| 12:17.17 | Raziel | :DDDDddd |
| 12:17.56 | Raziel | or use a plugin that removes those buttons |
| 12:28.55 | twodie | ...................................... |
| 12:43.46 | twodie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhmFkUOnhOc |
| 12:49.12 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 12:55.33 | twodie | http://youtu.be/TosbUPMKidA?t=3m48s |
| 13:00.39 | JademusSreg | That was a great video in which nothing of significance occured. |
| 13:01.56 | Dustin | Morning gents |
| 13:03.36 | JademusSreg | Hallo thar. |
| 13:25.57 | Ahli | stupid editor http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/10082078470#1 |
| 13:27.48 | Bommes | hello Dustin |
| 13:28.49 | JademusSreg | Yep. Darn editor limits. |
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| 14:07.00 | bobbytables567 | How expensive are props/doodads? |
| 14:07.28 | JademusSreg | Not too much, by themselves. |
| 14:07.35 | JademusSreg | Less than units, certainly. |
| 14:10.08 | bobbytables567 | I'm putting a couple hundred rocks and trees basically just to frame the empty borders of a tiny map, and it just occurred to me that maybe somewhere at some point in the future someone loads this map on their toaster and it just explodes. |
| 14:11.07 | JademusSreg | I suppose, but I'd also wonder if perhaps the terrain design could benefit from some revision. |
| 14:11.43 | bobbytables567 | What do you mean by that? |
| 14:13.33 | JademusSreg | Well, in so few words, Moar Stuff is a design deficit. Rather like filling levels with crates and barrels in first-person games. |
| 14:13.58 | bobbytables567 | Oh, yeah. Absolutely. |
| 14:14.49 | bobbytables567 | That's why I'm trying to determine what is actually going to happen if there are too many trees in a map. Or rather, what is "too many trees" in a map. |
| 14:15.56 | bobbytables567 | If it's inefficient then I'll just figure out a different theme. But this is just a question of visuals outside of the play area. |
| 14:17.48 | JademusSreg | Rather a backwards approach, but no worries. Yes, there are both soft limits on what players' machines will render, hard limits on object instances (ie a doodad limit), and prudent considerations regarding that a single player on a toaster will lag the game for everyone else. |
| 14:18.19 | bobbytables567 | What is the hard limit, then? |
| 14:19.05 | JademusSreg | Would need to check the forums, scenery-porn terrainers would know. |
| 14:19.55 | Bommes | my crystal ball says 16384 |
| 14:20.18 | Bommes | for every actor though, that includes units, missiles etc |
| 14:27.53 | bobbytables567 | Hmm, yeah, I don't think I could even physically fit sixteen thousand trees on my 80x60 map. There simply wouldn't be any ground on which to place them all. |
| 14:30.05 | twodie | lies |
| 14:30.40 | bobbytables567 | I guess if I deliberatelly stacked them on top of each other in a corner in order to leave some space to place more of them, then sure. |
| 14:33.13 | JademusSreg | Definitely could. |
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| 14:33.49 | JademusSreg | Each 1*1 cell is divisible into 4096*4096 unique points. |
| 14:36.07 | bobbytables567 | Fair enough. But I still think you would have a hard time putting 16k doodads in an 80x60 space and making it pleasing to the eye while keeping it objective and not just making like giant fractal formations of battlecruiser wrecks. |
| 14:39.54 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 14:41.44 | JademusSreg | Not aware of your design, so I'm not in any position to make suggestions. But I'd generally encourage less stuff, more content. Geographic barriers take many forms. |
| 14:42.38 | bobbytables567 | Well, like I said, they're not barriers, just decorations. I'll take a picture of it. |
| 14:46.49 | bobbytables567 | http://i.imgur.com/RoxW5mv.jpg |
| 14:47.54 | JademusSreg | Yeah, rocks+artificial cliffs+trees, strange mix. |
| 14:49.25 | bobbytables567 | I suppose so. I much prefer the artificial cliffs to those messy "natural" ones. |
| 14:49.52 | JademusSreg | But since the scale and rotation can be adjusted, you could decorate quite a bit. Scale em all up, plus a number of fallen trees, et cetera. |
| 14:50.00 | JademusSreg | WoL or HotS? |
| 14:50.20 | bobbytables567 | Err, WoL. Why? |
| 14:50.47 | JademusSreg | HotS has more diversity in its cliff facade rocks. |
| 14:50.55 | JademusSreg | Makes it easier to use natural cliffs. |
| 14:51.19 | JademusSreg | Because yeah, they generally look like crap. |
| 14:51.35 | bobbytables567 | Ah. Well, I'm not too concerned with that. I'm not trying to make an environment that makes sense in a narrative sense. |
| 14:51.44 | JademusSreg | HotS devs must have been well aware, since the campaign makes liberal use of cliff facades. |
| 14:52.33 | bobbytables567 | Nobody is going to load up an arena-style map and go "gee, the terrans sure kept their artificial walls clean while the nature was growing over for a hundred years. |
| 14:53.02 | JademusSreg | is precisely the sort of person to notice such things. |
| 14:53.17 | JademusSreg | But gameplay trumps pretty shit, so no worries. |
| 14:53.25 | Bommes | I think even the Blizzard devs are ashamed of how cliffs are implemented in the game and have to cover them as much as possible whenever they are used. |
| 14:53.33 | JademusSreg | ^ |
| 14:53.54 | bobbytables567 | I'm aiming for a nice composition of shapes and colors that provides a pleasing back-drop for the gameplay. |
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| 14:54.45 | bobbytables567 | I guess one might think of it as sort of Bomberman-esque. |
| 14:55.14 | JademusSreg | Ah, that will set off a few irc clients, I expect. |
| 14:55.15 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 14:55.21 | Dustin | low settings give SC2 a cartoonish look |
| 14:57.11 | Bommes | :O duckies joined the chat and the first message that gets sent is about making a bomberman map |
| 14:57.29 | Bommes | I think my mind is blown. |
| 14:57.30 | duckies | scary :o |
| 14:57.57 | Bommes | http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/mind_blown.gif |
| 14:58.27 | bobbytables567 | I didn't say I'm making a Bomberman map. =P I said my terrain design has a similar philosophy. "Composition over narrative". |
| 14:59.11 | JademusSreg | Like I said. Internet telepathy. =D |
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| 15:01.41 | Ownage | How can I get the current charge count of a button |
| 15:02.22 | JademusSreg | Buttons don't have charge counts. |
| 15:02.40 | JademusSreg | They display the charge counts of other shit. =D |
| 15:10.42 | Dustin | Anyone know those countdown progress bars get displayed with data? |
| 15:11.23 | Dustin | Like if I wanted to have a behavior that showed a countdown progress bar below the units HP bar. Isn't there a way to do that in data by default? |
| 15:13.44 | Ownage | how can I get the charge count of a charge link |
| 15:14.03 | Dustin | Triggers? |
| 15:17.39 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 15:18.26 | Dustin | wb |
| 15:18.45 | JademusSreg | And yeah, the behavior buff needs the countdown and display flags enabled, and the unit actor supporting the buff must have duration status bar enabled. |
| 15:19.08 | JademusSreg | *unit actor of the unit supporting the buff |
| 15:19.36 | Dustin | Awesome, just found the buff countdown display before you said that, nice to know I need to flag the actor aswell. |
| 15:20.18 | Dustin | nice, it's got everything checked |
| 15:20.24 | JademusSreg | Own, data or triggers, easy. |
| 15:24.36 | A1win | I need names for simple melee weapon attacks, already got Hack, Slash, Chop, Cut, Slice, and Frenzy (the odd one out for now) |
| 15:25.14 | bobbytables567 | Eviscerate? You only want sharp ones, right? |
| 15:25.36 | A1win | doesn't matter |
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| 15:27.18 | JademusSreg | A1, combat context? Is this untrained, tribal warrior/raiding culture, ancient military, feudal military, martial arts? Or am I overcomplicating this? |
| 15:27.19 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 15:27.19 | bobbytables567 | Bludgeon, maul, knock, smash, smack, crack, whip, flog, crush, skewer... |
| 15:27.21 | A1win | oh well thesaurus works ;p |
| 15:28.00 | A1win | JademusSreg, welll tribal warrior/raiding culture is the closest |
| 15:28.34 | JademusSreg | In that case, simple actions verbs were definitely the best approach. |
| 15:29.05 | bobbytables567 | Bash, kick, punch, tackle, bite, choke, slam, throw |
| 15:29.28 | A1win | the simple actions are ones that you can always use (well, 5 of them), and then there's a deck of cards that has more advanced actions with bit more advanced names |
| 15:29.53 | JademusSreg | This should be easy. =D |
| 15:30.45 | A1win | yeah I'll probably end up with more names than I can come up with different effects for them <.< |
| 15:31.34 | JademusSreg | Naw, it's simple. You think of the motion and how best to describe it, the concept of motion informs how their effects differ. |
| 15:32.09 | A1win | mm already doing that, just a matter of how much I can stretch the design space :X |
| 15:32.56 | A1win | like by default you have two actions, Chop is an attack that lets you attack with itself a 3rd time if you use both actions to Chop, so you can point at the mobs with a finger and go "chop chop chop" |
| 15:33.13 | A1win | (not exactly what you meant but anyway :P) |
| 15:36.59 | JademusSreg | A forward Thrust has more reach and penetration but with a line-of-effect easier to dodge, Sweep deals damage in an arc leaves one vulnerable, Overstrike comes down from an over-swing and can knockdown the impacted units, Understrike comes up from an under-swing and can knockback the impacted units, and the fifth- |
| 15:37.45 | JademusSreg | Could be a throw, a feign for a counter-attack, a charge, et cetera. |
| 15:38.01 | JademusSreg | But the first four are pretty solid. |
| 15:38.19 | A1win | I mean, it's not just 5 in total, just 5 you choose from a larger pool |
| 15:38.26 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 15:38.55 | A1win | and not all of the five will be attacks anyway |
| 15:38.58 | A1win | but yeah |
| 15:39.15 | A1win | didn't think of "sweep" at all o: |
| 15:39.36 | JademusSreg | In the case you can define the moves along two axes, weapon motion and bodily motion. |
| 15:40.41 | JademusSreg | Bodily motions like leaps, charges, rolls, jump-offs, et cetera. |
| 15:41.25 | A1win | mm |
| 15:42.53 | JademusSreg | Two axes, provides plenty of potential simple moves. |
| 15:43.43 | Repo | New map: The Last Twighlight - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/last-twighlight/ |
| 15:43.54 | JademusSreg | Leap thrust, charge sweep, roll overstrike, or boring stationary attacks, too. |
| 15:44.39 | A1win | movement probably needs to be restricted to the cards that are drawn from the deck, movement is pretty powerful when positioning is so precise |
| 15:45.05 | A1win | so most of these "action bar skills" are just boring stationary attacks, but you get to draw cards when you use them |
| 15:45.37 | A1win | so it has a similar generator/spender cycle than in Diablo 3 |
| 15:46.00 | JademusSreg | Ah, I prefer movement at the most basic levels of play, personally, but no worries. |
| 15:48.17 | A1win | you always get to move each turn anyway, and can replace your attack actions with more movement |
| 15:48.49 | JademusSreg | FFT-esque |
| 15:48.59 | A1win | FFT? |
| 15:50.11 | JademusSreg | Haha, oh, and I need you to do so something. |
| 15:50.15 | Dustin | Final Fantasy Tactics |
| 15:50.18 | A1win | :P |
| 15:50.40 | JademusSreg | Publish the goddamn planetary gravity map publically already. |
| 15:50.49 | Dustin | ya! |
| 15:50.50 | A1win | ;> |
| 15:51.03 | A1win | I got annoyed by lag last time we tested |
| 15:51.34 | JademusSreg | Before you start another damn project, you push that mass out into bnet and be done with it. |
| 15:51.40 | A1win | haha |
| 15:51.41 | JademusSreg | Finality, closure, ffs |
| 15:51.43 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 15:51.45 | A1win | this one's an old project too :P |
| 15:59.08 | Dustin | Muahah |
| 15:59.43 | Dustin | This mini boss plays like a tank from L4D now, if you dont hit anyone within a certain amount of time and refresh your behavior, you lose control to the AI |
| 16:00.23 | JademusSreg | Gotta learn to just Finish. Doesn't matter if it's not your satisfaction, the process is what matters, and you get better at the process by -completing- it. |
| 16:01.13 | JademusSreg | At some point one must say "Done!" in Peter-Griffin-style. |
| 16:01.40 | JademusSreg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjZuGas6yRQ |
| 16:01.45 | bobbytables567 | But it's so fun to screw around in mapping tools... |
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| 16:07.34 | JademusSreg | So custom categories appear to have limited support, how nice. |
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| 16:08.07 | Kueken | Shark |
| 16:09.39 | JademusSreg | Switch to xml view, add/change a data entry's EditorCategories, see the change immediately reflected in the interface. |
| 16:10.39 | JademusSreg | However, doesn't actually add them to the dropdowns, it seems, but at least it's not throwing xml compile errors. |
| 16:11.52 | bobbytables567 | I could use some guinea pigs to fill up a lobby and test what I've made so far. |
| 16:14.00 | JademusSreg | They can be inherited, though, which is lovely for categorization. |
| 16:14.17 | JademusSreg | Busy, could test later, bob. |
| 16:15.22 | bobbytables567 | No stress. It'll be a long time before I'm finished with this, and enough testing to go around. =) |
| 16:17.18 | A1win | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0-N_QJ0r_c one of the best by Shpongle xO |
| 16:17.27 | A1win | The Aquatic Garden of Extra-Celestial Delights |
| 16:21.06 | bobbytables567 | Interesting. |
| 16:22.30 | bobbytables567 | It's a lot more radio-friendly than the Shpongle I've heard. |
| 16:23.20 | A1win | new shpongle is quite different from old shpongle |
| 16:23.42 | bobbytables567 | Indeed. |
| 16:25.16 | Ownage | is there a way to fill a grid square with terrain 100%, without the gradual increase? |
| 16:25.50 | bobbytables567 | You mean like the uniform tool? |
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| 16:32.11 | duckies | tried holding ctrl while painting terrain ownage? |
| 16:35.32 | Dustin | This attribute / variant system is fucking horrible |
| 16:35.58 | JademusSreg | Yeah, which is why most people code options and shit in-game. =D |
| 16:36.21 | Dustin | Yeah im going to have to, it keeps bitching about my variants now |
| 16:36.32 | Dustin | And I cant restrict attributes to variants |
| 16:36.34 | Dustin | Wtf is that shit |
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| 16:55.40 | Ownage | duckies, thanks that works for me |
| 16:55.54 | duckies | good to know =D |
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| 17:10.48 | Zolden | hello, mapmakermen |
| 17:13.06 | Bommes | Hmm, 7 days WoW for free... PvP in the new patch worth checking out or not so much? |
| 17:13.11 | Bommes | has anyone played it? |
| 17:13.15 | duckies | hello Zoldn |
| 17:13.22 | Bommes | hello Zolden |
| 17:13.38 | twodie | what is better: http://pasteboard.s3.amazonaws.com/images/3Nk4FJM.png |
| 17:13.45 | twodie | any tips with the color pallate? |
| 17:13.56 | duckies | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.43 | Zolden | there was snow today |
| 17:19.32 | JademusSreg | There are not-show days? |
| 17:20.37 | JademusSreg | *snow |
| 17:20.39 | JademusSreg | Hah |
| 17:21.08 | Bommes | Hearthstone wipe incoming soon, after that no more wipes in beta and you can keep all the cards you get even through release http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/11100276 |
| 17:21.19 | Bommes | probably a lot of new beta keys being sent out with that patch as well |
| 17:22.49 | duckies | so, beta progress will remain for lanch version, sweet |
| 17:23.01 | duckies | now If only I had a beta |
| 17:23.41 | duckies | actually screw that, I want to be mapmaking, can't have both, unless I clone myself to do those 2 things at the same time |
| 17:23.42 | Bommes | I'm pretty sure they will send out a lot of keys soon, right now the amount of keys is still pretty low |
| 17:24.01 | Bommes | and all the keys they sent out so far weren't tied to your account, so you could actually sell them on ebay if you wanted to |
| 17:24.27 | duckies | I wish I don't get a beta key, then I don't have to excercise my will power to not play heartstone |
| 17:24.35 | Bommes | which was pretty weird |
| 17:25.02 | duckies | it's publiiiiiicity |
| 17:25.33 | duckies | anyway, procastination & distractions can go to hell, it's mapping time! |
| 17:26.00 | JademusSreg | Nowai, it's adventure time. |
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| 17:40.10 | mille25 | hello! |
| 17:40.18 | turtles1 | hi |
| 17:40.20 | twodie | hey you black one! |
| 17:43.13 | Dustin | Woot, didn't take to long to make my own lobby esque system for voting and picking modes/teams |
| 17:49.21 | Zolden | twodie how's map going? |
| 17:49.49 | Zolden | Dustin it's a trivial task, don't be too proud |
| 17:51.18 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 17:55.27 | Dustin | Ya, but I had to completely change my integration with the lobby |
| 17:55.40 | Dustin | And dialogs always take so damn long to do anything |
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| 17:57.54 | JademusSreg | The value of utility scripts. |
| 17:58.14 | JademusSreg | I forget, do you use primarily GUI or script? |
| 17:59.11 | Dustin | Ya i need to setup some, I use GUI, but that's just because I haven't had the time to switch, but I can use both |
| 17:59.29 | Kueken | :P |
| 17:59.47 | Kueken | feeling the need to apologize for using GUI |
| 18:00.23 | JademusSreg | I've got several variants of DialogUtils, but they are all script. |
| 18:00.29 | Dustin | I know I shouldn't be using it, but god damnit I'm procrastinating on getting a good galaxy flow setup |
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| 18:01.07 | Kueken | I actually think, considering the current support of script in the galaxy editor, Gui is in general preferable to Galaxy Script |
| 18:01.09 | JademusSreg | Perhaps you'd be more comfortable working with it if you used the SC2Components approach. |
| 18:01.12 | evily | Do anyone know where i change the price on Morph to mothership for the Mothership core? |
| 18:01.17 | Kueken | I just hate using Gui, so I script |
| 18:01.22 | twodie | Zolden not very well, but make the idea of it better still in my head how it will work |
| 18:01.36 | JademusSreg | evi, either the unit or ability. |
| 18:01.46 | Dustin | I would LOVE to use it if I could get a good setup going with source control and my sublime editor |
| 18:01.49 | twodie | Zolden need to return to old maps making for blizz to feature... |
| 18:01.56 | Kueken | evily: the cost of the mothership unit, or the cost field of the ability |
| 18:02.02 | Kueken | damn |
| 18:02.06 | evily | cant find the latter |
| 18:02.21 | evily | the ability type is a morph |
| 18:02.33 | JademusSreg | The language is so simple, C suffices for syntax, just need to use the natives.galaxy as a library/package reference. |
| 18:02.41 | Kueken | pretty sure morphs can have a cost associated |
| 18:02.49 | Kueken | let me check |
| 18:02.55 | JademusSreg | Source control via git. |
| 18:03.04 | Dustin | If I start any new projects theyll be in galaxy |
| 18:03.18 | JademusSreg | Since SC2Components unpacks the mpq directories, git works quite well. |
| 18:03.21 | JademusSreg | kk |
| 18:03.29 | Kueken | whats git? |
| 18:03.45 | JademusSreg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_(software) |
| 18:03.52 | Dustin | Git is amazing |
| 18:04.16 | JademusSreg | It cures cancer. Source code cancer. |
| 18:04.17 | Dustin | https://github.com/DustinHendrickson/dustinhendrickson |
| 18:04.32 | Dustin | Thats some of my personal work on github |
| 18:04.32 | Kueken | evily: Morph abilities have a field called Cost: Cost + |
| 18:04.44 | Zolden | twodie right |
| 18:04.54 | Zolden | twodie i wish to play aok more |
| 18:04.59 | evily | its greyed out, the cost is not dervied from the ability then i guess |
| 18:05.13 | Zolden | just add mages and blizz will feature it in 1/16 seconds |
| 18:05.20 | twodie | Zolden they know about Troops Defence so now need to make it working this first.. |
| 18:05.20 | Zolden | blizz like mages |
| 18:05.41 | Zolden | add mages everywhere |
| 18:06.11 | evily | ok nevermind |
| 18:06.12 | evily | so wierd |
| 18:06.19 | Kueken | evily: the costs of the default ability are handled by the unit costs |
| 18:06.35 | twodie | Zolden i want Orcs and Undeads... |
| 18:06.38 | Kueken | but you can use the morph ability costs anyway, if you wish |
| 18:06.46 | evily | well in this instance the mothership core cost 350. the mothership cost 650. so the morph ability cost 300.................. how was i suppose to know |
| 18:07.08 | evily | its calculated automatically |
| 18:07.12 | Kueken | yes |
| 18:07.32 | Kueken | if you use a 2 way morph, it will actually cost negative amounts |
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| 18:08.17 | Kueken | you can also check the Ignore Unit Cost flag |
| 18:08.31 | Kueken | then it will only use the ability cost field |
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| 18:12.06 | Serashin | Hello~~ , any mapmaker avaible here for some questions ? |
| 18:13.30 | Kueken | thats what this channel is for :) |
| 18:13.32 | A1win | there's only one map maker who comes here once every half a year, we're all here to ask question so get in line :O |
| 18:13.34 | Kueken | start shooting |
| 18:13.38 | A1win | shh |
| 18:13.59 | Kueken | oh, did I give away our secrets? |
| 18:14.53 | Kueken | so A1win, who is this mysterious mapmaker? |
| 18:14.56 | Kueken | sixen? |
| 18:14.57 | Serashin | on a first visit a troll patroll welcome party ;) , but i wanna work some and my lvl is not up to my idea task lvl |
| 18:15.29 | Kueken | trust me, most of us can relate :D |
| 18:16.03 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:16.28 | Kueken | except Jade |
| 18:16.33 | Bommes | my work lvl is not up to my imagination lvl |
| 18:16.45 | A1win | I just spent over an hour listening to a 15 sec clip of the song I posted earlier to figure out what the hell do the lyrics say |
| 18:17.07 | Kueken | Jade has a hard time coming up with enough ideas to match the amount he could realize |
| 18:17.25 | JademusSreg | http://youtu.be/0GLoHifu6aM |
| 18:17.57 | JademusSreg | And on the contrary, I also have an overabundance of ideas. Working on one currently. =D |
| 18:18.05 | JademusSreg | Photon Cycles: Virtual Drive |
| 18:19.09 | Serashin | well i got simple stuff and more advanced question stuff |
| 18:19.25 | Serashin | should i just throw an "easier" question in here |
| 18:19.26 | Serashin | ? |
| 18:19.46 | JademusSreg | Any. |
| 18:19.55 | Dustin | This is prob the best group here for any questions |
| 18:20.00 | JademusSreg | ^ |
| 18:20.03 | Dustin | So, whatever your heart desires. |
| 18:20.05 | A1win | if none of us can answer your harder questions, you might very well be out of luck :P |
| 18:20.13 | Kueken | yeah, jade, but you realized it already in your head, your choke points are only the speed of your hands typing and your computer processing the information |
| 18:20.29 | Serashin | Ok , lets go with the easy one first and then relate it to my exp lvl |
| 18:20.38 | Serashin | basicly i did allot in wc3 map editor with data editor |
| 18:20.51 | Kueken | Serashin: stop asking questions about if and what questions to ask, start asking the actual questions :) |
| 18:21.01 | JademusSreg | Haha, currently oscillating between physical tasks and running tests on PCVD. |
| 18:21.37 | Kueken | also, jade, that video is deeply disturbing |
| 18:21.41 | Serashin | never understood triggers much but heres to a "easy data question" , i want to make a rts map got bridges that are default working from units already working like i want . but problem is |
| 18:21.42 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 18:22.01 | Serashin | i cant change this 900 second "timer" of the short bridge |
| 18:22.03 | Serashin | to a shorter one |
| 18:22.08 | Serashin | nowhere i search i can find it |
| 18:22.10 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 18:22.25 | JademusSreg | I made a demo of an automorphing bridge by vicinity. |
| 18:22.29 | JademusSreg | Lemme link that. |
| 18:22.42 | Kueken | :p |
| 18:23.11 | Kueken | pretty sure, anything you could ever do in the editor is already done in a demo map either by Jade or me |
| 18:23.56 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:24.04 | Serashin | okay multitasking questionmaking , "harder lvl" |
| 18:25.28 | Serashin | i want to make a nexus upon death , basicly as death effect do following . spawn on 12 range radius a required ammount of force fields arround the death center , to basicly create a trap after the killing blow "time buy strat" , those force fields expire at arround 10 seconds |
| 18:26.20 | JademusSreg | Unit effect death or behavior buff on expire to apply create persistent effect with periodic offsets that spawn forcefield. |
| 18:26.29 | Kueken | uh, sufficient description of design |
| 18:26.38 | Kueken | rare thing around here |
| 18:26.45 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 18:27.11 | Bommes | 12 range radius, that's a lot of forcefields... you can't loop the creation of these in data, so that's a lot of offsets you have to manually put in |
| 18:27.16 | Serashin | im 14 years into hardcore gaming , im just a player who played everythign arround every lvl tryharding tourneys casual etc everything . but the sad state of sc2 1v1 makes me want to create a own rts |
| 18:27.55 | Kueken | Bommes: You could loop them :) |
| 18:28.20 | Bommes | Hmm, how? |
| 18:28.41 | Kueken | not sure if it will work, but a demo map is forming in my head... |
| 18:28.51 | Bommes | so it doesn't exist already? |
| 18:29.03 | Bommes | I think the statement from 5 minutes ago was a shocking lie! |
| 18:29.06 | Serashin | seems like i raped ur we got everything in here concept ;) |
| 18:29.08 | Kueken | I don't have it |
| 18:29.13 | Kueken | so Jade has it by definition |
| 18:29.24 | Kueken | statement still true |
| 18:29.37 | Bommes | could you describe the concept of that loop in a few words? |
| 18:29.48 | Bommes | like what setup you think could work |
| 18:30.07 | Kueken | recursive call do the same persistent holding one offset |
| 18:30.16 | Kueken | *to |
| 18:30.20 | JademusSreg | Found it. |
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| 18:30.46 | JademusSreg | Phew, had to search a lot of demo maps. I'll clean it up a bit, then dropbox it. |
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| 18:31.01 | Serashin | o.O |
| 18:31.39 | Stewox | hello |
| 18:31.49 | Bommes | Kueken: Hmm, now that I think about it that actually should work recursively |
| 18:32.02 | Kueken | yeah, right? |
| 18:32.03 | Bommes | and wouldn't even be that hard since it's a circle |
| 18:32.06 | Kueken | trying it now |
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| 18:33.05 | Serashin | well i saw a trap circle already in "city of tempest" from a stalker hero . but iits trap model wasnt a forcefield but a pillar ( not that the model matters ez part i think ) but the fixed spawn upon death radius instead of a throwable spell seems realy hard to implent for me |
| 18:33.29 | JademusSreg | Sera, I just outline approaches flippantly; providing step-by-step is too tedious for me. Thus, demo maps. |
| 18:34.51 | Serashin | well thats my curse of approaching things :D , i try everywhere to test all limits with everything slowly and steady and eventualy try more with it |
| 18:35.02 | Serashin | im not the plan type of guy |
| 18:37.11 | Stewox | Lord Christopher Monckton is talking about global warming hoax right now http://www.infowars.com/watch-alex-jones-show |
| 18:37.26 | Stewox | he saw the documents by the climate change pushers them selfs |
| 18:37.38 | Stewox | the planet was not warming up for 15 years now |
| 18:37.53 | Stewox | CO2 levels need to increase or else it's going to get freezy :p |
| 18:38.13 | Kueken | why do create unit effects use target unit as default? |
| 18:38.14 | Stewox | and I'm working on my map happily ever after |
| 18:38.17 | Kueken | gets me every time |
| 18:40.23 | JademusSreg | Oh, and before I link, I should probably explain the time thing. |
| 18:42.35 | JademusSreg | The morph ability Info+ array has delay and duration times that are used to define how unittypeA becomes unittypeB in various ways. So a stats delay might be 0 while an actor delay might be 1, making the unit mechanically like unittypeB before the actor visuals and shit fully transition. |
| 18:43.42 | Kueken | hm |
| 18:43.46 | Kueken | too bad |
| 18:43.52 | Kueken | Bommes: doesn't seem to work |
| 18:44.31 | Kueken | I cannot seem to make the offset facing be based on the previous target point |
| 18:45.00 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/AutoBridge.SC2Map |
| 18:45.14 | Serashin | alright let me look what magic u can do ;) |
| 18:45.15 | Serashin | thx |
| 18:46.22 | Kueken | or... |
| 18:46.42 | JademusSreg | Naw, that's nothing. Just something I thought of while curious about how retracting bridges would impact competitive play. |
| 18:47.00 | Serashin | btw im gonna copy paste all good explanations into text documents as im a german speaker and triggers is nearly chineese for me . but since i want learn and cant comprehend fast ima make a book of your stuff wich slowly gets into my head ;) |
| 18:47.21 | Serashin | well i plan to make it competive based arround 2v2 |
| 18:47.53 | JademusSreg | Coincidentally, I too have considered making The Jade Bible, but even my narcissism has limits. |
| 18:48.00 | Serashin | i am myself early 2011 , 4 times ranked in top 200 arround 50-70 on blizzard side and got as i said 14 years experience in gaming , sc2 1v1 so boring i want to make something enjoyable now ;) |
| 18:48.02 | Bommes | Kueken: I got it to work |
| 18:48.04 | Bommes | well kinda :D |
| 18:48.11 | Kueken | :P |
| 18:48.18 | Kueken | show me |
| 18:48.22 | Kueken | post xml |
| 18:49.04 | Bommes | haha |
| 18:49.09 | Bommes | wait |
| 18:49.15 | Bommes | I first have to actually finish it |
| 18:50.33 | Kueken | yes |
| 18:50.38 | Kueken | got it as well |
| 18:52.30 | Bommes | how do you stop it at some point? I'm currently in the process of doing that with a behavior count, is there a more elegant way of doing it? |
| 18:52.44 | Bommes | like do markers stack or something? |
| 18:53.00 | Serashin | hmm JademusSreg |
| 18:53.06 | Kueken | markers do stack, however you would need a way of applying them |
| 18:53.08 | Serashin | that dropbox thing u linked |
| 18:53.40 | JademusSreg | Also: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/DataView.jpg |
| 18:53.58 | Kueken | its not as easy as just executing an effect on the caster, apparently, at least I didn't get it to work that way when I attempted to use it for a recursive chain lightning |
| 18:54.32 | Kueken | I would use a behavior stack for now, if I were to use that method in a map |
| 18:55.11 | Kueken | also, in my current map, I need 2 persistents executing each other, did you manage to do it with just one? |
| 18:55.23 | Serashin | actually have to get better overview first |
| 18:55.25 | Serashin | before comment |
| 18:55.25 | Serashin | sec |
| 18:56.40 | Zolden | JademusSreg have you tried to use that bean as barrier? |
| 18:56.46 | Zolden | bean? |
| 18:56.52 | Kueken | a bean barrier |
| 18:56.58 | Zolden | what is it, fool's day? |
| 18:57.05 | Bommes | Kueken: no, I also used 2 |
| 18:57.15 | Kueken | :) |
| 18:57.20 | Bommes | I guess you just can't fire an effect from itself |
| 18:57.27 | Kueken | you can |
| 18:57.28 | JademusSreg | Zol, doing that near-almost-now. |
| 18:57.29 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 18:57.32 | Bommes | mhkay |
| 18:57.43 | Kueken | add a delay |
| 18:57.44 | Bommes | maybe it works with 1, I first tried that but then changed it to 2 |
| 18:57.53 | Kueken | I don't think it lets you do it instantly |
| 18:58.03 | Bommes | yeah might be true, I have a delay as well |
| 18:58.22 | Kueken | just recursively activating the effect forked at 1 for me |
| 18:58.35 | Kueken | but I wasn't able to get the correct facing for the offsets |
| 18:58.41 | Kueken | which I managed to get with 2 |
| 18:59.00 | Kueken | forked = worked |
| 18:59.08 | Kueken | IRC needs an edit feature |
| 18:59.17 | Bommes | Hmm |
| 18:59.20 | Bommes | how did you get the offsets? |
| 18:59.25 | Bommes | should be possible with 1 imo |
| 18:59.30 | Zolden | Kueken it would require time machinery |
| 18:59.42 | Bommes | the offsets in my 2 effects don't differ |
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| 19:00.06 | Bommes | oh, but if you want to make it in a circle around the caster you need 2 of course |
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| 19:00.12 | MoonEater | hihi |
| 19:00.18 | Bommes | since you have to declare the radius offset first |
| 19:00.27 | Bommes | and then the recursive one on top of that |
| 19:00.47 | Kueken | http://pastebin.com/RPY9By0z |
| 19:00.48 | Zolden | MoonEater wtf again! moon is disappearing |
| 19:02.01 | MoonEater | lol |
| 19:02.12 | MoonEater | im still laughing at jade's comment |
| 19:02.21 | MoonEater | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/57968-viral-bank-injector-vbi-character-code-locker-ccl/#p7 |
| 19:02.26 | MoonEater | it was soo harsh |
| 19:02.28 | MoonEater | and funny |
| 19:02.55 | JademusSreg | Are you folks still going on about the nexus force field circle or am I missing something? |
| 19:03.01 | Bommes | Kueken: I set Offset Start to Target Point and Offset End to Caster Point |
| 19:03.11 | Bommes | without the 2 persistents referencing each other there |
| 19:03.40 | Kueken | and it creates a circle? |
| 19:03.59 | MoonEater | JademusSreg i got aweird little issue |
| 19:04.32 | MoonEater | almaity was helping me with impact scale |
| 19:04.38 | Bommes | yeah if you set x = 1 and y = something small |
| 19:04.38 | Kueken | with a static offset start, it should look different |
| 19:04.41 | MoonEater | and we editied the generic actor |
| 19:04.44 | Zolden | JademusSreg we are rather asking you about beam barriers |
| 19:04.45 | Bommes | since it always faces the caster |
| 19:04.55 | Bommes | and then points sideways with the offset |
| 19:04.56 | MoonEater | and he sent me a copy of what it should look like |
| 19:04.57 | Bommes | you get a circle |
| 19:05.01 | MoonEater | yet mine doesnt work |
| 19:05.32 | JademusSreg | Zol, doing that near-almost-now. |
| 19:05.33 | Bommes | thats with the caster being the center though |
| 19:05.53 | Zolden | JademusSreg and it's a right time, since i'm back and can fix it |
| 19:05.59 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:06.02 | Bommes | if you want to create a circle anywhere you'd rather have to create a main-persistent at the start and then let the recursive ones face that |
| 19:06.04 | Bommes | instead of each other |
| 19:06.09 | Bommes | with my method at least |
| 19:06.24 | Kueken | I get a curved graph |
| 19:06.27 | Kueken | not a circle |
| 19:06.49 | Kueken | but I don't use the caster as a center |
| 19:07.03 | Kueken | so that would be the expected result |
| 19:07.11 | Bommes | yeah |
| 19:07.18 | Bommes | also pretty cool though! :P |
| 19:07.37 | turtles1 | gtg. But I skimmed some of the chat first |
| 19:07.41 | Kueken | my configuration makes a circle no matter what |
| 19:08.00 | turtles1 | wanted to say that you can have multiple effects at once |
| 19:08.07 | Stewox | you guys seen AMD Mantle stuff ? |
| 19:08.10 | Kueken | because facing is based on previous positions, not on any outside point |
| 19:08.13 | Bommes | yeah that's true |
| 19:08.19 | Bommes | but its harder to adjust the radius of the circle |
| 19:08.23 | turtles1 | by using a set which is a type of effect that creates multiple other effects |
| 19:08.32 | Stewox | new API for PC thingy |
| 19:08.33 | turtles1 | without a delay |
| 19:08.40 | Bommes | I think? |
| 19:08.43 | JademusSreg | Linking this just because I enjoy it. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/JademusDemo.SC2Map |
| 19:08.50 | turtles1 | don't know if someone already mentioned that. bye people |
| 19:08.54 | Kueken | turtles1: we know :) |
| 19:08.56 | Kueken | bye |
| 19:09.12 | Bommes | Kueken: Or how would you adjust your setup to a certain radius? |
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| 19:09.17 | Bommes | say I want a radius of 5 for the circle |
| 19:09.23 | Bommes | oh nevermind |
| 19:09.25 | Bommes | it's actually pretty easy |
| 19:09.26 | Stewox | when im close to done with my map here, i doubt any of you guys gonna be happy to test it :p |
| 19:09.48 | Kueken | it is? |
| 19:09.51 | JademusSreg | Stew, why so? |
| 19:10.00 | Kueken | I would have agreed with you, that it is more complicated |
| 19:10.06 | Stewox | well, i shouldn't spoil it so early |
| 19:10.33 | Stewox | well probably okay testing the gameplay side of it but ... hint hint |
| 19:10.56 | Bommes | Kueken: Yeah nevermind |
| 19:11.13 | Bommes | I'm just bad at math and then have these ideas that would be really cool |
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| 19:11.19 | Kueken | getting an exact radius would require some calculation |
| 19:11.21 | Bommes | if they would actually work in the way math does |
| 19:11.30 | Stewox | anyways where's obscene and his steamOS, he probably should get the news on AMD Mantle |
| 19:11.37 | Kueken | however, you can probably approximate |
| 19:11.38 | Eimtr | Hi, can any1 tell me something about melee maps.... |
| 19:11.50 | Kueken | and usually it doesn't have to be that exact |
| 19:12.25 | JademusSreg | Stew, we're something approximating a community; we're not gonna shun you when you conduct yourself productively. While people mock you for ridiculous behavior, that's no reason to stop helping you. |
| 19:13.29 | Bommes | yeah true |
| 19:13.34 | Bommes | I mean I have to approximate as well with my method |
| 19:13.35 | Eimtr | In maps e.g Frost LE, it uses only Swarm dependency as I open it as a Bnet map, players play it with latest patch it seems.. when I save it Locally do I need to add the Swarm Multiplayer dependency? |
| 19:13.42 | Stewox | well how kind of you |
| 19:13.58 | Bommes | but I don't have to actually do the math because i can just set the radius to what I want it to be and then test ingame until its circular |
| 19:14.17 | JademusSreg | Nope, melee maps don't have that hangup. |
| 19:14.18 | Stewox | i know you people aren't bad, 90% of the world isn't bad, but why the heck we let the 10% bad run it |
| 19:14.21 | JademusSreg | *Eim |
| 19:14.30 | Bommes | while your radius depends on the offsets which can be confusing if you don't actually want to do the math :D |
| 19:14.43 | Kueken | true |
| 19:14.45 | JademusSreg | But as a melee map, that precludes messing with the data. |
| 19:14.56 | MoonEater | this is driving me nuts... |
| 19:14.58 | MoonEater | jade |
| 19:15.23 | Eimtr | err so if I want to play the Melee map locally and to be using latest patch I do not need to add the Multi dependency? |
| 19:15.37 | Eimtr | and leave it as it is with Swarm only? |
| 19:15.48 | JademusSreg | Moon, repeat? |
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| 19:16.24 | JademusSreg | Eim, you -shouldn't-, but then it's hard to tell what's reasonable when it comes to local vs bnet testing. |
| 19:16.46 | Kueken | Eimtr: for a melee map to use the most recent patch adjustments, you need to add the multi dependency, as far as I am aware |
| 19:17.01 | Eimtr | ok thanks, I will see some latest balance change and if it is there, then it's latest |
| 19:17.38 | MoonEater | Jade, I have this actor which was worked on with almaity from an example |
| 19:17.41 | MoonEater | almaity had to go |
| 19:17.54 | MoonEater | and so i copied all the actor scaling calls |
| 19:18.02 | MoonEater | but impact doesnt scale |
| 19:18.04 | MoonEater | the other do |
| 19:18.10 | MoonEater | but not generic impact |
| 19:18.45 | Zolden | JademusSreg can you make a thread sticky as a moderator? |
| 19:19.31 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 19:19.59 | Zolden | JademusSreg do you need someone's approval for this or you can make a decision by yourself? |
| 19:19.59 | JademusSreg | Moon, did you copy everything from Alm's demo? I assume it was a demo. |
| 19:20.16 | MoonEater | yes i belive so |
| 19:20.18 | JademusSreg | Zol, I can do as I please provided I don't step on other mods' toes. |
| 19:20.24 | MoonEater | it was like 2 lines for the generic |
| 19:20.36 | MoonEater | and 1 line for the generic attack |
| 19:20.45 | MoonEater | it works for dammage and launch |
| 19:21.53 | Zolden | JademusSreg I have explained how turn a model from m3 exporter format to art tools format like 4 times, and ppl still keep asking, so I think I'll write an instruction, and I Think it should be sticky in artis tavern, don't you think? |
| 19:22.04 | JademusSreg | Moon, I can't hazard a guess without having a complete picture. Not even clear on the manner in which it is not working. |
| 19:22.15 | JademusSreg | Zol, pick your best and link me. |
| 19:22.19 | Zolden | ok |
| 19:22.29 | JademusSreg | Or rather, if you're making a new topic, make it the best. |
| 19:23.33 | Kueken | Jade: interested in the data offset loop demo map? |
| 19:23.34 | Zolden | yea |
| 19:24.00 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 19:24.17 | Kueken | https://www.dropbox.com/s/n3f5fdoi7kq9jw5/OffsetLoop.SC2Map |
| 19:24.39 | Kueken | I know you like dem demo maps :D |
| 19:24.53 | Kueken | throws jade a stick |
| 19:24.59 | Kueken | good boy. |
| 19:25.11 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 19:25.41 | JademusSreg | I'll have All The Demos. |
| 19:26.55 | Kueken | they don't call you JademosSreg for nothing |
| 19:28.24 | JademusSreg | Baduntsss |
| 19:28.55 | Kueken | yeah, I will collect all the bad word plays |
| 19:31.19 | Kueken | also, after the Baduntsss you missed a . or an ! |
| 19:31.34 | Kueken | I cannot let you get away with this |
| 19:33.06 | Bommes | I think it's part of a sentence, he just waits for everyone in the audience to think about the pun for a few minutes before he can continue. |
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| 19:41.03 | Triceron | pew pew |
| 19:41.14 | A1win | boom |
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| 19:42.11 | PusH | ya hey zolden- question for you |
| 19:42.15 | Zolden | ok, ask |
| 19:42.16 | JademusSreg | 10000 years later, the other pew kills some poor asteroid farmer. |
| 19:42.20 | Zolden | JademusSreg http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/58121-m3-exporter-art-tools-instructions/ |
| 19:42.48 | PusH | keuken mentioned you new a quick solution to when a custom model shows bright red when cloaked |
| 19:42.49 | Bommes | hello |
| 19:44.00 | Zolden | PusH is its team color red? |
| 19:44.12 | Zolden | is the model - a custom made one? |
| 19:44.15 | PusH | yes but i tried it with blue too |
| 19:44.17 | Bommes | http://kotaku.com/theres-an-unexpected-starcraft-mod-for-civilization-1400482619 haha, that is amazing |
| 19:44.20 | PusH | yes |
| 19:44.43 | Zolden | PusH have you created it with art tools? |
| 19:44.50 | PusH | no i am not the artist |
| 19:44.59 | Zolden | is it still red as blue team? |
| 19:45.07 | PusH | its an old model from the assets page |
| 19:45.08 | Zolden | where di you get the model than? |
| 19:45.10 | Zolden | then |
| 19:45.12 | PusH | correct |
| 19:45.19 | PusH | grabbing it for you |
| 19:45.25 | Zolden | I think you need to edit it |
| 19:45.42 | JademusSreg | Zol, I hope you consider employing someone to work on the presentation of that content. |
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| 19:45.49 | JademusSreg | Also, stick'd |
| 19:46.01 | Otixa | wut stick'd? |
| 19:46.15 | JademusSreg | Zol's topic. |
| 19:46.16 | PusH | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/dark-protoss/files/80-targeting-drone-old/ |
| 19:46.19 | PusH | this is the one |
| 19:46.27 | Otixa | JademusSreg is a mod? ;o |
| 19:46.31 | Zolden | JademusSreg like colors? |
| 19:47.02 | Zolden | or <b>'s? |
| 19:47.04 | JademusSreg | Zol, if that is a sincere question, I'd say definitely do not work on refining the presentation by yourself. =D |
| 19:47.36 | Otixa | xD |
| 19:47.46 | Zolden | i can do it perfect, people suck at text design, check my maps, all words are colored |
| 19:47.47 | JademusSreg | Otixa, yes, have been for quite some time. Which is useful, since I'm fairly active. |
| 19:48.05 | Otixa | hax. |
| 19:48.13 | JademusSreg | Active in the community; I avoid moderating shit if I can. |
| 19:48.50 | Zolden | PusH I'll try to fix that thing, jsut gimme some time |
| 19:48.56 | PusH | ok ty |
| 19:51.29 | Kueken | JademusSreg usually only moderates certain atrocities so MoonEater can laugh his ass off |
| 19:51.42 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 19:51.53 | Zolden | JademusSreg check it again, isn't it better now? |
| 19:52.15 | JademusSreg | Much better. |
| 19:52.37 | Otixa | check wut? |
| 19:52.39 | Otixa | link meh! |
| 19:52.40 | JademusSreg | Add it to your signature or something, for reality. |
| 19:52.43 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 19:52.45 | Zolden | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/58121-m3-exporter-art-tools-instructions/#p1 |
| 19:53.11 | Otixa | herp sherp |
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| 19:53.14 | Zolden | i'm against signatures |
| 19:53.35 | Zolden | i'll just link it every time I have to explain instead of explaining |
| 19:54.07 | Kueken | let me play grammar nazi: |
| 19:54.08 | Kueken | Until Leruster fix the exporter to be totally compartible, follow this: |
| 19:54.11 | JademusSreg | whatevers, immediately following the enverbing of "whatever". |
| 19:54.39 | Kueken | its supposed to be "comfartible" |
| 19:54.58 | Otixa | What? |
| 19:55.13 | Stewox | purl connection test |
| 19:55.14 | Kueken | lame fart joke, you wouldn't understand |
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| 19:56.04 | Kueken | Jade, we should whatever together some time |
| 19:56.12 | Zolden | Kueken i like when germans grammar or anything else nazi |
| 19:56.17 | Kueken | nothing like a little group whatevering |
| 19:56.52 | Kueken | Zolden: I knew you couldn't resist on such a pass |
| 19:56.56 | Zolden | Kueken i like when germans grammar or whatever else nazi |
| 19:56.59 | JademusSreg | Here I was under the impression we were already whatevering exclusively. Have you been out whatevering other people while you're whatevering me? |
| 19:57.34 | Zolden | whatever is owhateverated |
| 19:57.41 | Bommes | Zolden: Since you already have that tutorial going, could you also include the download links for the m3 exporter and the art tools? Would be really convenient |
| 19:57.43 | Kueken | yeah, sorry, I was whatever-cheating |
| 19:57.55 | Kueken | cheatevering? |
| 19:58.03 | JademusSreg | That looked painful, wedging that word in there. Must be flexible. |
| 19:58.21 | Kueken | but don't worry, it was only the body I whatevered about |
| 19:58.48 | Zolden | Bommes that tutorial is only matters for people who have the links and the programs |
| 19:58.50 | Kueken | (feels like smurfing now) |
| 19:58.57 | Zolden | also, ghost nova has it in his tutorial |
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| 19:59.40 | ObsceneWaffle | lol |
| 20:00.06 | Bommes | Ghostnovas tutorial isn't stickied though, and I would disagree to the statement that it only matters for people who have it |
| 20:00.18 | Bommes | *with |
| 20:00.20 | Bommes | but whatever :) |
| 20:00.25 | Bommes | would just be convenient, nothing more |
| 20:00.31 | Zolden | Bommes is ghostnova's one about the same? |
| 20:00.38 | Zolden | ok, i'll add the links |
| 20:00.39 | Kueken | obscene certainly delivered an important message, before he was expelled |
| 20:00.43 | Zolden | because i agree |
| 20:01.06 | Bommes | I don't even know Ghostnovas tutorial to be honest :D or are you talking about the Kitbashing one? |
| 20:01.24 | Bommes | cool thanks! that makes it much better in case people stumble upon the thread in a year from now or so |
| 20:01.33 | Bommes | since they know what you are talking about even if things change |
| 20:01.53 | Otixa | You guys are smelly |
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| 20:03.47 | Zolden | JademusSreg is it not against whatever it can be against against, to post torrent links to pirated content like max 2011? |
| 20:03.51 | Zolden | to post on mapster |
| 20:04.11 | Zolden | Bommes yea... and i will check it to be sure |
| 20:04.58 | Bommes | it probably is against the rules to do that |
| 20:06.06 | Bommes | Zolden: Also, I wondered a few days ago about all the tutorials that are listed in the ArtTools documentation but are greyed out under the Advanced section. |
| 20:06.14 | Bommes | Do you think Blizzard is going to add them at some point? |
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| 20:06.25 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure it's still prohibited. |
| 20:06.49 | JademusSreg | Keep it in private messages, if you must link to such things. |
| 20:06.58 | Zolden | ok, i won't |
| 20:07.35 | Zolden | Bommes yea, in the final version - certainly |
| 20:07.47 | Stewox | does anyone of you follow PC hardware/ tech news ? |
| 20:08.07 | Stewox | i kind of think this one |
| 20:08.37 | Stewox | is actually on topic, it's not SC2 but it is about the computers that sc2 runs on doesn't it ? |
| 20:08.39 | Triceron | stabs Otixa with a spoon |
| 20:08.43 | Otixa | wat |
| 20:08.46 | Otixa | shush |
| 20:08.51 | Triceron | hah! |
| 20:08.52 | Otixa | preparing cage for sculpt |
| 20:09.06 | Otixa | also |
| 20:09.09 | Otixa | dynamesh, fuck yeah |
| 20:09.20 | Triceron | so gooood |
| 20:09.22 | Stewox | this is just btw, i didn't want to go into that topics, but this was posted today http://www.infowars.com/91497/ |
| 20:09.36 | Stewox | stuff about intel CPUs |
| 20:09.48 | Otixa | btw |
| 20:09.50 | Otixa | Triceron |
| 20:09.52 | Stewox | having some secret antenna inside |
| 20:09.55 | Otixa | 4R6 has some new shit |
| 20:09.57 | Otixa | qRemesher |
| 20:10.04 | Triceron | what's that do? |
| 20:10.06 | Otixa | which you specify the polycount you want |
| 20:10.12 | Otixa | And it spits out perfectly quadded topo |
| 20:10.15 | Triceron | oh nice |
| 20:10.19 | Stewox | anyone with Sandy Bridge here ? |
| 20:10.23 | Otixa | I came buckets when I saw it |
| 20:10.29 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/TildeAttack.jpg |
| 20:10.33 | Triceron | I'll have to check that out |
| 20:10.48 | Triceron | when's 4r6 |
| 20:10.51 | Otixa | lol JademusSreg |
| 20:10.56 | Otixa | Triceron, a while ago ;p |
| 20:11.00 | JademusSreg | Model tested; it works. |
| 20:11.20 | Triceron | haha nice beam |
| 20:11.42 | PusH | team color beam? |
| 20:11.48 | JademusSreg | Needed a more efficient approach to the barriers for the next Photon Cycles. |
| 20:12.22 | Otixa | Zolden, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik0kzn8tViI |
| 20:12.33 | JademusSreg | Zol made a barrier beam for me to test. |
| 20:12.55 | Stewox | one of the things I i can see be a problem is that to actually evolve the gameplay someone who tests it, becase I don't think i can make perfect or deeper enough gameplay my self, is that the tester needs to be likeminded as myself, so i haven't found one yet :p |
| 20:13.06 | Stewox | jademussreg ... reply to that before |
| 20:13.06 | Triceron | what the hell did I just watch |
| 20:13.37 | Otixa | hey Triceron |
| 20:13.42 | Zolden | Otixa wtf? |
| 20:13.45 | Otixa | Sculpted any wooden beam stuff? |
| 20:13.48 | Zolden | it's winter here |
| 20:13.53 | Otixa | Zolden, DDT motherfucker |
| 20:13.59 | JademusSreg | Hm, no question was asked. |
| 20:14.04 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 20:14.11 | Stewox | i have generally in a nutshell but there's room to improve however i need this to be popular but not too simple either |
| 20:14.33 | Triceron | I made a wooden plank yesterday |
| 20:14.35 | Zolden | JademusSreg the test should see them as the barriers |
| 20:14.49 | Triceron | but the model I used it for was super low res so none of the details mattered anyways :/ |
| 20:14.53 | Otixa | Triceron, any tips? ;p |
| 20:14.55 | Otixa | ah ;/ |
| 20:14.58 | Triceron | yeah |
| 20:15.01 | Zolden | Otixa I've heard this song 100 times, but the last one was like 100 years ago, so ok |
| 20:15.01 | Kueken | damn youtube has huge error codes o_0 |
| 20:15.02 | Otixa | will need a high-ish res bake |
| 20:15.03 | Kueken | http://pastebin.com/cgLLfhks |
| 20:15.04 | Triceron | I saw a vid yesterday |
| 20:15.27 | Triceron | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lddOrWmLGLw |
| 20:16.23 | Otixa | thanks ;> |
| 20:16.47 | Otixa | malletfast? ;o |
| 20:16.52 | Otixa | interesting |
| 20:17.14 | Otixa | dunno if this will work for a beam tho |
| 20:17.49 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 20:17.54 | Triceron | straight cut beam? |
| 20:17.58 | Otixa | yea |
| 20:18.01 | Triceron | probably not, hrm |
| 20:18.11 | Kueken | mapster AND youtube don't work on my end |
| 20:18.16 | Otixa | basically... |
| 20:18.17 | Triceron | that's more like fine woodgrain |
| 20:18.48 | Triceron | mapster sometimes doesn't load for me, just have to refresh a few times |
| 20:18.50 | Otixa | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10032576/work/slider.jpg |
| 20:18.58 | Otixa | making this kinda thing |
| 20:19.17 | Triceron | http://cimots.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Creative-Wooden-Beams-Designed6.jpg |
| 20:19.18 | Otixa | not too sure how I wanna do this |
| 20:19.28 | Triceron | you could prolly knock out a few fine lines |
| 20:19.33 | Otixa | yea but |
| 20:19.35 | Otixa | sec pizza |
| 20:19.36 | Triceron | but prolly not to the extent of that vid |
| 20:20.03 | Otixa | I want something stylized tho |
| 20:20.09 | Otixa | But not sure how to go about it |
| 20:20.22 | Otixa | Doind sort of a painterly semi-realistic style |
| 20:20.26 | Otixa | doing* |
| 20:20.41 | Otixa | Here's sum sample: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10032576/work/groundplate2.jpg |
| 20:24.49 | Triceron | http://justinslick.com/ArenaNet_WIP_01.jpg |
| 20:25.21 | Triceron | just cut into the corners subtly |
| 20:25.36 | Triceron | the rest you can make due with a fine wood grain |
| 20:25.55 | Otixa | ohh |
| 20:25.58 | Otixa | that works, yeah |
| 20:25.59 | Otixa | thanks :D |
| 20:26.17 | Otixa | that demian standard yea? |
| 20:26.40 | Zolden | PusH waht texture that model uses? a custom one? |
| 20:26.52 | Triceron | could be, not sure |
| 20:26.55 | PusH | don't think so |
| 20:26.57 | Otixa | btw |
| 20:27.05 | PusH | i thought it was just the same at the point defense drone |
| 20:27.05 | Zolden | PusH ooh, nvm, it's from campaign |
| 20:27.11 | Otixa | trim dynamic is awesome for edges |
| 20:27.38 | Otixa | just sort of crosshatch it along the edge and it gives a really neat jagged edge :D |
| 20:27.54 | Otixa | kinda like hPolish, but a lot easier to do |
| 20:28.32 | Triceron | ooh |
| 20:28.41 | Triceron | so dynamesh is new to 4r6? |
| 20:28.49 | Otixa | noe |
| 20:28.58 | Otixa | dynamesh is 4R4 I think |
| 20:29.03 | Triceron | oh, okay |
| 20:29.10 | Otixa | also |
| 20:29.19 | Triceron | time to upg |
| 20:29.22 | Otixa | you can set it to generate polygroups for separate meshes |
| 20:29.29 | Triceron | was stil on 4r2, but I haven't really touched ZB much |
| 20:29.35 | Otixa | so if you have multiple objects, it'll make nice shiny polygroups :D |
| 20:30.14 | Otixa | just get 4R6 |
| 20:30.48 | Otixa | it has panel loops, which are fucking awesome |
| 20:31.31 | Otixa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ToqMK6w2mI |
| 20:31.32 | Otixa | check it |
| 20:32.58 | Triceron | yeah, I really need to jump back into high res sculpting |
| 20:34.02 | Otixa | skip to 3:25 |
| 20:34.51 | Otixa | bricks shat? :D |
| 20:41.03 | Zolden | PusH do you need any attachment points on this model? |
| 20:41.13 | Triceron | they make it look so easy |
| 20:42.05 | PusH | i don't believe so |
| 20:42.13 | PusH | its not launching any weapons or anything |
| 20:42.36 | Zolden | ok, i'll add only standard ones |
| 20:42.44 | Zolden | and weapon on its penis |
| 20:42.44 | *** join/#sc2mapster DeadZergling (836bc0b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.192.182) |
| 20:42.58 | PusH | kk that would be great just incase |
| 20:45.02 | PusH | did you find the issue? |
| 20:46.01 | PusH | i take it you did |
| 20:46.58 | *** join/#sc2mapster ElectricPrism (~Loren@unaffiliated/electricprism) |
| 20:51.14 | Zolden | PusH i believe i did |
| 20:51.19 | Zolden | let's see |
| 20:52.51 | Zolden | PusH http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/43/908/targeting_drone_new.m3 |
| 20:52.55 | Zolden | try it |
| 20:56.29 | Triceron | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwZTgX4Pzxw |
| 20:56.33 | PusH | perfect |
| 20:56.37 | PusH | thank you very much |
| 20:56.45 | Zolden | np |
| 20:57.07 | PusH | may i ask what the source of the issue was? |
| 20:57.33 | Zolden | it has "old" on its file name. I changed it to "new" |
| 20:57.48 | PusH | lmao |
| 20:58.29 | Zolden | actually, it was just made on the unfinished self-made plugin, and I reexported it at the plugin blizzard created |
| 20:59.09 | Zolden | also, I cancelled diffuse team color in case it's the case |
| 21:00.48 | PusH | ya given that the cloak covers up the general color of the model anyways, team color doesn't matter as much |
| 21:00.54 | PusH | ok |
| 21:00.58 | PusH | wll thx again |
| 21:14.03 | JademusSreg | A1, you ought to have linked this video. =D http://www.ted.com/talks/james_flynn_why_our_iq_levels_are_higher_than_our_grandparents.html |
| 21:19.11 | Zolden | those american philosophers seem to work more on how to explain things simplier than on more complex matters |
| 21:19.41 | Zolden | which a bit contracdicts to the subject of his apeech |
| 21:20.06 | JademusSreg | Naw, that's public speaking. |
| 21:22.48 | Zolden | JademusSreg btw, after reading a few philip dick's novels, i feel a bit bored reading other authors' sci-fi novels, because dick's ampfetamined imagination is so much stronger than their's clean |
| 21:23.39 | JademusSreg | Understandable. PKD is a psychedelic journey. |
| 21:24.14 | Zolden | fortunately, he created lots of books |
| 21:25.45 | JademusSreg | One may not always want to trip balls on acid; sometimes one prefers a mellow rolling experience, or frantic discourse of breadth and depth. |
| 21:25.45 | Zolden | unlike salinger who was genius without drugs, but only wrote 2 books |
| 21:26.12 | Stewox | Jademussreg, ted talks: that's because your grandparents get a healthy dose of flu vaccines with boosting agent called Thimerosal or similar, among all the other perscription drugs |
| 21:26.59 | Zolden | yea, sometimes one want simplier literature to rest... but it's still boring, to walk at a sunny meadow after a storm |
| 21:27.04 | JademusSreg | Well, his life makes clear Salinger understood alienation and behaving like a juvenile prat. |
| 21:27.55 | JademusSreg | Stew, what in the nine pointless fucks of the infinite yawning blather are you saying? |
| 21:28.09 | Zolden | Salinger had mental problem like schisophrenia, that made him write brilliantly, but pushed him to a cave after some evolution... |
| 21:28.15 | Stewox | and Thimerosal mainly contains Mercury |
| 21:29.49 | *** join/#sc2mapster DeadZergling (836bc0b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.192.182) |
| 21:29.55 | Stewox | it's kind of funny |
| 21:30.11 | Stewox | since young people aren't avoiding this |
| 21:30.13 | JademusSreg | Zol, I wasn't speaking ill of Salinger, merely observing his understanding of alienation, and noting he behaved like a juvenile prat. |
| 21:31.01 | Stewox | anyways, why old people have lower IQ is not only by all the perscrption drugs they're being feeded, it's also all the lead and flouride that is being released from their weakening bones that has accumulated in them for many years |
| 21:32.08 | Zolden | lol |
| 21:32.57 | JademusSreg | Stew, not what I was asking. I'll rephrase; when you parrot all that nonsense, it's embarrassing to even be in the same channel with you. |
| 21:33.15 | DeadZergling | He is at it again huh? |
| 21:34.21 | Triceron | he hasn't stopped. |
| 21:35.06 | A1win | JademusSreg, why that video in particular? D: |
| 21:35.10 | Stewox | i've explained what the video asks |
| 21:35.12 | DeadZergling | I believe the world would be a much saner place if many people could remember this simple fact. |
| 21:35.15 | Stewox | what's wrong with that |
| 21:35.17 | Stewox | anyways |
| 21:35.18 | JademusSreg | I mean, Tainted can be ridiculous too, but at least he knows he's being ridiculous and -doesn't- have his head so far up his rectum that it makes a human klein bottle. |
| 21:35.31 | DeadZergling | Just because it is on the internet, does not make it true. |
| 21:35.59 | Stewox | well it is |
| 21:36.12 | Stewox | what make it true |
| 21:36.22 | Stewox | that vaccines have mercury ? |
| 21:36.26 | Stewox | yes they do |
| 21:37.18 | A1win | (referring to the TED talk) |
| 21:37.24 | Stewox | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal_controversy |
| 21:37.42 | DeadZergling | Would anyone like to talk about anything other than Conspiracy theories? |
| 21:37.53 | Stewox | why would they add neurotoxin to a vaccine |
| 21:37.59 | A1win | DeadZergling, that's what THEY want you to do |
| 21:38.01 | JademusSreg | A1, because it covered something I didn't already know. =D |
| 21:38.05 | Stewox | why would they add rat poison to the water |
| 21:38.37 | A1win | Stewox, go learn some chemistry |
| 21:39.03 | A1win | and biology |
| 21:39.10 | Stewox | haha |
| 21:39.13 | A1win | and critical thinking |
| 21:39.14 | DeadZergling | Yes, go learn where electrons could possibly be |
| 21:39.26 | Stewox | enjoy your slow death |
| 21:39.33 | Stewox | obama is your friend |
| 21:39.49 | Stewox | why can't you guys get it |
| 21:39.50 | Triceron | So Steambox seems to be going in beta soon |
| 21:39.53 | Zolden | JademusSreg lol, human klein bottle? I like the images you use to explain things |
| 21:40.00 | Torhal | Sixen: Please shut him up. Pretty please? I would, but I don't have ops. |
| 21:40.03 | Stewox | why is truth controversial |
| 21:40.20 | Stewox | would you guys like If I lie ? |
| 21:40.22 | Stewox | casually |
| 21:40.31 | A1win | we can't get it because you are wrong, is pretty much the reason |
| 21:40.43 | Torhal | We'd like you to take your conspiracy theories elsewhere. You've been asked and eventually told many times they are not welcome here. |
| 21:40.57 | Stewox | global warming is a real problem, we need to make better vaccines, hey, hoperfull they get that new greenhouse emmisions law passed, feel better now ? |
| 21:41.05 | DeadZergling | Ever seen one of those drunk bearded hobos with a guitar who yells at everyone who passes by him? |
| 21:41.14 | Stewox | if you liked the stuff I would said, you guys weren't wanting me to stop |
| 21:41.14 | Torhal | DeadZergling: That's Stewox, but he isn't old. |
| 21:41.15 | Otixa | uhh |
| 21:41.16 | DeadZergling | Right now you have less credibility than he, Stewox |
| 21:41.19 | PusH | do placement models not work for target abilities? |
| 21:41.21 | Otixa | I think I overdid it a bit >> |
| 21:41.29 | Stewox | old ? |
| 21:41.50 | Otixa | Triceron, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10032576/work/beam.jpg |
| 21:41.52 | Otixa | >> |
| 21:41.52 | Otixa | << |
| 21:41.53 | Triceron | your beams get too 'aged'/ |
| 21:42.07 | Triceron | not too bad |
| 21:42.14 | Triceron | could use a bit of refinement, but it's there |
| 21:42.24 | Triceron | just need to sharpen it up a touch |
| 21:42.25 | DeadZergling | Nice twix bar Otixa |
| 21:42.30 | Otixa | yeh, need to deepen the grooves |
| 21:42.41 | Stewox | if sixen is a reasonable guy he would know I'm telling you guys the truth but unfortunately the truth is offensive, don't blame me, blame the establishment that took over the US |
| 21:42.42 | Triceron | flatten the planes |
| 21:43.01 | Otixa | ya think? :\ |
| 21:43.15 | Otixa | I kinda like the curviness |
| 21:43.20 | Otixa | shrugs |
| 21:43.22 | Triceron | no, not the lines |
| 21:43.23 | DeadZergling | I'd definitely use that in a candy land area of a map |
| 21:43.29 | Triceron | I mean it's a bit 'rounded' |
| 21:43.34 | Otixa | ah |
| 21:43.43 | Otixa | yeah |
| 21:43.45 | Triceron | sharpen the bevels |
| 21:43.48 | Triceron | that's what I mean |
| 21:43.53 | Stewox | you know what obama is, a son of a pronographic mafia lord, it's offensive, but don't blame me :p |
| 21:43.57 | Otixa | went a bit crazy with mallet fast :P |
| 21:44.01 | Torhal | Stewox: You're babbling stuff nobody wants to hear about. This channel is not for that kind of thing. It doesn't matter if it's truth or not, you have a hostage audience. |
| 21:44.01 | Triceron | haha |
| 21:44.15 | Torhal | You're being a self-centered prick. |
| 21:44.20 | Torhal | Get off the damn podium. |
| 21:44.59 | Otixa | Triceron, let's do collab unity game in the future! ;p |
| 21:45.18 | Stewox | Torhal i perfectly agree and I apologize for the inconvenience, but do you think you guys wouldn't try to shut me up if I would talk about non-sc2 things that wouldn't attack the mainstream status-quo ? |
| 21:45.34 | DeadZergling | Tell you what, if that is the stick Otixa hits people with |
| 21:45.36 | Torhal | You're talking AT us, not TO us. |
| 21:45.38 | A1win | "we guys" don't have a collective mind |
| 21:45.39 | DeadZergling | he can hit me with it all day long |
| 21:45.39 | Torhal | There is a difference. |
| 21:45.39 | Triceron | I've been contemplating making models for the unity shop |
| 21:45.39 | Otixa | Stewox, at this point we're all pretty tired of your bullshit |
| 21:45.56 | A1win | i.e. our opinions may vary |
| 21:45.57 | Stewox | my bullshit ? |
| 21:45.58 | Torhal | We aren't having a conversation. You're preaching. |
| 21:46.00 | Otixa | Triceron, dunno how profitable that is ;/ |
| 21:46.09 | Stewox | Preaching ? |
| 21:46.10 | Stewox | what |
| 21:46.13 | Triceron | Stewox, the 'Truth' is as bad as religious pandering. No one wants to hear it here. |
| 21:46.49 | Triceron | you're not acting any different than a religious fanatic trying to spread their truths to the non believers. |
| 21:46.53 | Stewox | Vaccines have Mercury (Hg) inside of them, is what i said, that is fact, why are you trying to make me a troll when I'm not |
| 21:47.12 | Triceron | we're all asking you to stop |
| 21:47.18 | Stewox | just because it's offensive, doesn't discredit it |
| 21:47.21 | Torhal | Because we don't give even half a flying fuck about your Abomination of The Day (™). |
| 21:47.29 | Stewox | well okay, then say, "i can't handle the truth" and i'll stop |
| 21:47.30 | Triceron | Please stop. |
| 21:47.33 | Torhal | Two days ago it was Miley Cyrus being an Illuminati whore. |
| 21:47.36 | Torhal | Just go away. |
| 21:47.43 | Triceron | No. Just stop. |
| 21:48.13 | Stewox | that's nothing new, every pop star is a victim |
| 21:48.17 | Stewox | okay i will |
| 21:48.40 | A1win | look, he thinks you wanted to discuss that subject further ;p |
| 21:48.46 | Torhal | headdesks. |
| 21:48.58 | Otixa | Hey guys |
| 21:49.03 | Otixa | Today I went to the store |
| 21:49.10 | Otixa | And wanted to buy a Corny |
| 21:49.19 | Otixa | But they didn't have the raspberry type that I like |
| 21:49.22 | Triceron | what the hell's a Corny? |
| 21:49.25 | Otixa | And they know I only buy that kind |
| 21:49.26 | Zolden | corny? roots? |
| 21:49.33 | Otixa | It's like an oatmeal candy bar thing |
| 21:49.43 | Otixa | So I'm pretty sure there's a conspiracy against me |
| 21:49.45 | Triceron | does it actually contain corn? |
| 21:49.45 | Torhal | Those bastards! |
| 21:49.51 | Stewox | okay guys wait im done for today |
| 21:49.53 | Otixa | Because they intentionally didn't stock up on the one I like |
| 21:49.59 | Stewox | just one point torhal |
| 21:50.06 | DeadZergling | maybe you are just a fat bastard Otixa |
| 21:50.07 | Torhal | Stewox: The fact that you said "for today" irks me. |
| 21:50.08 | DeadZergling | and ate them all |
| 21:50.09 | A1win | just one, four hour long point |
| 21:50.33 | Zolden | raise your hands, who is fat |
| 21:50.45 | Otixa | Yo momma |
| 21:50.55 | JademusSreg | Haha, thanks Zol. |
| 21:50.56 | Triceron | ooohhhhhh, he went there |
| 21:51.02 | DeadZergling | *raises his hand, and unwittingly pulls zolden's and otixa's hands up with his fat arm* |
| 21:51.02 | Otixa | :D |
| 21:51.06 | DeadZergling | guess the 3 of us are! |
| 21:51.11 | Zolden | lol |
| 21:51.33 | A1win | I'm here to compensate to keep the average weight normal |
| 21:51.43 | Otixa | shrugs |
| 21:51.46 | Stewox | torhal, when i lose interest in making my map, or i finish it, i usually go dark to do other things and then i'll disappear from sc2mapster for more than 3 months, it's always been like this since 2010, i have periods of jumping to this and that |
| 21:52.06 | JademusSreg | No one else seemed to appreciate the image of a human klein bottle, but then the image would be ghastly, so can't hold it against anyone. |
| 21:52.44 | Otixa | ok ok, we proved our point |
| 21:52.48 | Torhal | Stewox: This is not a channel for people to "preach" about things, especially when multiple people are telling that person they don't want to hear it and to cease. |
| 21:52.55 | Otixa | can we all stop talking about random shit now? ;p |
| 21:53.04 | A1win | Moorhsum, can we? |
| 21:53.05 | JademusSreg | And talk about other random shit? |
| 21:53.06 | Moorhsum | A1win, yeah. :s |
| 21:53.14 | Stewox | but let me just finish up with one point, or lets say 2; i'll try something and i'll tell you when im done, secondly you guys are disturbed by stuff i said because you never heard it before |
| 21:53.15 | Torhal | So I don't give a fuck how long you've been doing this. That is irrelevant. You've had a captive audience. You're a selfish little prick. |
| 21:53.17 | A1win | Moorhsum, but can you?! |
| 21:53.19 | Moorhsum | Nah, I meant phones for that network. |
| 21:53.23 | Torhal | Just shut the fuck up and go away already. |
| 21:53.30 | DeadZergling | No, just stop Stewox |
| 21:53.32 | Otixa | headdesks |
| 21:53.38 | Otixa | Ok, Stewox, yer out |
| 21:53.39 | DeadZergling | you burned up whatever currency you had with us long ago |
| 21:53.54 | Otixa | You can either leave willingly |
| 21:53.59 | Otixa | Or we can make you |
| 21:54.02 | Otixa | The choice is yours |
| 21:54.04 | A1win | he feeds on our disbelief |
| 21:54.11 | A1win | he's a troll, but doesn't know it |
| 21:54.13 | Triceron | So the Steambox is gettign 300 beta testers |
| 21:54.35 | Stewox | now, if you guys adhere to celebrities and listen all they do, why don't you look to a this celebrity which goes by the name of Tila Tequila https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lVSCWdxYVk and if you think I am some weird guy, tell that to her if you can, and with that i'm out |
| 21:54.39 | Otixa | Triceron, will they also throw people off of cliffs? |
| 21:55.13 | Triceron | only if they beta test the machines on a helicopter off the side of a cliff, and the testers have to get to them |
| 21:55.46 | Otixa | Steambox might actually be pretty decent |
| 21:56.09 | Triceron | i think they said they're planning to have multiple versions that are customizable |
| 21:56.17 | Otixa | ooh ;o |
| 21:56.17 | Triceron | just wondering if it'll be affordable |
| 21:56.30 | Otixa | Valve are pretty reasonable |
| 21:56.32 | Otixa | shrugs |
| 21:56.55 | A1win | they'll have Tier 1, then Tier 2, and a promise of Tier 3 |
| 21:56.55 | JademusSreg | Steambox sounds interesting, insofar I'm curious how it will impact hardware and game development. Personally, not interested in a specialized machine when I can Have It All* on my current machines. *except current-gen console games |
| 21:56.56 | Triceron | even the new xbox and ps4 are gonna be pricy, that's their main competition |
| 21:57.01 | Otixa | And now with Greenlight, there is money to be had :D |
| 21:57.28 | Otixa | new xbox? ;o |
| 21:57.48 | Triceron | If anything, it might persuade developers to stick more to a standard |
| 21:57.52 | Otixa | You mean the Micro$oft VCR? :D |
| 21:58.12 | Triceron | haha |
| 21:58.31 | JademusSreg | Zero interest in game consoles, though sometimes they have games about which I cannot say the same. |
| 21:58.32 | *** kick/#sc2mapster [Stewox!~Sixen@173-16-1-92.client.mchsi.com] by Sixen (Stewox) |
| 21:58.45 | Triceron | I'm done with consoles |
| 21:58.52 | Kueken | oh, come on, that was brutal |
| 21:58.53 | Otixa | Thanks Sixen ;> |
| 21:58.53 | JademusSreg | Thank the never-loving void. And Sixen. |
| 21:59.09 | Kueken | the poor guy |
| 21:59.12 | Triceron | I got my xbox 360 when PS3 came out. I think I can count the times I've played it on my hands and feet. |
| 21:59.17 | Torhal | Amen, thank you Sixen. |
| 21:59.21 | JademusSreg | Kueken, I see what you did there. |
| 21:59.29 | Otixa | Triceron, rockband hooah! |
| 21:59.30 | Triceron | praises Sixen |
| 21:59.40 | JademusSreg | The people rejoice. |
| 21:59.44 | Triceron | was never really that much into Rockband |
| 21:59.49 | Triceron | I'm more of an oldschooler myself |
| 21:59.58 | Otixa | Triceron, obviously you don't host many parties :P |
| 22:00.02 | Triceron | newfangled technology. 'mikrofones'? |
| 22:00.17 | Triceron | lan parties |
| 22:00.22 | Triceron | bahahaha *snort* |
| 22:01.08 | Otixa | bah, tired of sculpting ;/ |
| 22:01.45 | Triceron | do some UVing |
| 22:01.51 | Otixa | hell naw |
| 22:01.52 | Triceron | it'll make you love sculpting all over again |
| 22:02.16 | JademusSreg | Soak up that sterilizing radiation, oh yeaaah. |
| 22:03.13 | Zolden | Rodin never tired sculpting |
| 22:03.16 | Otixa | JademusSreg, there's a conspiracy theory in there somewhere :P |
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| 22:03.54 | A1win | JademusSreg, when you talked about finishing stuff instead of starting new projects, instead of ignoring you and continuing to work on my boardgame or realizing the message and going back to the SC2 project, I started thinking of why I can't finish stuff and now I'm too depressed to work on anything at all again 8x |
| 22:04.16 | Otixa | A1win, fuck you. Go finish your shit |
| 22:04.19 | DeadZergling | fell off the bus again A1win? |
| 22:04.22 | Kueken | mission: accomplished |
| 22:04.27 | Zolden | A1win how's gravity map? |
| 22:04.36 | Triceron | you guys are so supportive! |
| 22:04.37 | A1win | Zolden, that's the SC2 project |
| 22:04.41 | A1win | haha |
| 22:04.43 | JademusSreg | A1, my pleasure. |
| 22:04.55 | Kueken | also, penis |
| 22:04.57 | JademusSreg | Also, just publish it as Public, and it's done. |
| 22:05.02 | Zolden | A1win jsut make death match more and release it to gather some feedback fom players |
| 22:05.24 | Otixa | gather feedback from high templar |
| 22:05.25 | Otixa | ;P |
| 22:05.41 | Zolden | Kueken penis? in public chat? how dare you! who was your culture teacher? he must be disappointed now |
| 22:05.53 | Zolden | lol |
| 22:05.54 | Kueken | I hope so |
| 22:06.05 | Kueken | but |
| 22:06.12 | Kueken | what has penis to do with culture? |
| 22:06.33 | A1win | everything |
| 22:06.43 | Otixa | Triceron, sculpt me some beams ;p |
| 22:06.45 | Zolden | indeed, using genitalia words and images is a part of culture, even romans used to do it |
| 22:06.57 | Triceron | Zolden made some beams you could use |
| 22:07.08 | Zolden | yea, 3 clicks -> beam! |
| 22:07.13 | Zolden | sc2 bitches |
| 22:07.20 | Triceron | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/TildeAttack.jpg |
| 22:07.27 | Otixa | hits Zolden with an empty water bottle |
| 22:07.35 | Otixa | lol beams :D |
| 22:07.38 | Triceron | :D |
| 22:07.56 | Otixa | they're kinda saggy xD |
| 22:08.14 | Triceron | no way, it's style |
| 22:08.17 | Kueken | voidray penis |
| 22:08.28 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 22:08.57 | JademusSreg | Should have attacked Hatcheries; they have more orifices. |
| 22:09.21 | Triceron | voidray tentacle rape |
| 22:09.27 | Zolden | lol |
| 22:09.38 | Triceron | voidrape |
| 22:10.48 | Otixa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGTye6Bv-I0 |
| 22:11.41 | Triceron | Hahaha protoss deathball |
| 22:12.28 | Otixa | idra would be proud |
| 22:13.41 | Triceron | hahahaha |
| 22:14.51 | Zolden | sentries giggle |
| 22:15.05 | Zolden | it's getting cutter |
| 22:21.57 | A1win | aaaa they still haven't announced when they're airing the episode of QI with Tim Minchin in it, could be weeks, could be months D: |
| 22:24.44 | Triceron | QI? |
| 22:24.52 | A1win | quite interesting |
| 22:30.07 | JademusSreg | Hm. I need a square and a hex model with a walkable plane. |
| 22:30.21 | JademusSreg | Erm, two separate models. |
| 22:31.23 | A1win | what's the square for and why do the hex and the walkable plane need to be separate @_@ |
| 22:32.40 | JademusSreg | So I can reskin them to provide variety. The walkable planes are needed so they may rise and return to the abyss below the stage. |
| 22:32.52 | Zolden | JademusSreg you mean with a physics object, that would make them walkable like bridges? |
| 22:32.59 | JademusSreg | Yar. |
| 22:33.35 | JademusSreg | Simple models. Flat plane for the square and hex. |
| 22:34.10 | JademusSreg | Might be useful to allow the material to accept splat projections. |
| 22:35.11 | JademusSreg | For reference, the umojan lab catwalks accept splat projections. |
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| 22:37.09 | Lusia | anyone know how to covert WoW tilesets to SC2? |
| 22:38.49 | Zolden | JademusSreg waht about material layers? |
| 22:38.59 | A1win | tileset is like that street sign that warns about trains but has a weird shaped locomotive with steam rising from it, no one knows what it is but they still know what it refers to |
| 22:39.02 | Zolden | Lusia if you can get them as images, there are ways |
| 22:39.21 | Kueken | Lusia: you just need to convert them to .dds or .tga format |
| 22:39.31 | Lusia | I can but they aren't converting correctly |
| 22:39.33 | Kueken | then they should be useable in SC2 |
| 22:39.50 | Kueken | maybe you need to add an alpha layer |
| 22:40.10 | Zolden | nvidia plugin for photoshop -> dxt5 |
| 22:40.52 | Kueken | or gimp plugin, if you don't have photoshop |
| 22:40.59 | JademusSreg | Zol, sure. I trust your judgment. |
| 22:42.01 | JademusSreg | Since I'm not using Liberty or Swarm dependencies, it's all custom (or customized) assets. |
| 22:42.27 | Lusia | I'm not sure how to convert them to SC2 correctly |
| 22:42.40 | Zolden | JademusSreg ok, i'll add all |
| 22:44.55 | JademusSreg | Oh, yes, I dumbly assumed that, haha. Yeah, diffuse, specular, emissive, normal. =D |
| 22:44.57 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 22:44.59 | Triceron | Lusia: Not sure if this helps, but here http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/warcraft-model-library/ |
| 22:46.19 | Lusia | that's for models not tilesets |
| 22:46.33 | JademusSreg | (The model geometry need only be a plane, since this is Photon Cycles rather than Reality McReal Realistic Physical Volume: Drake's Fortune) |
| 22:47.46 | Lusia | for example when i save kalidarroad.blp and kalidarroad_s.blp as tga then convert them to dds they end up looking the same and don't work correctly in the tileset editor. |
| 22:48.10 | Otixa | Moar wannabe modelers! |
| 22:48.35 | Otixa | I mean... |
| 22:48.39 | DeadZergling | Decided to look up what a Klein bottle was from that statement earlier JademusSreg, interesting, but I don't understand why people refer to them as mind blowing |
| 22:48.40 | Kueken | blp is a weird format, I had some issues with it already in WC3 |
| 22:48.41 | Otixa | ...We're all very nice people here |
| 22:49.28 | Kueken | but you managed to convert it to tga and dds and they look fine outside of the SC2 editor? |
| 22:50.46 | Otixa | btw Triceron |
| 22:50.51 | Otixa | done anything with dDo? |
| 22:51.00 | Triceron | not yet |
| 22:51.09 | Otixa | stop slacking >:[ |
| 22:51.19 | Triceron | nou |
| 22:51.47 | Otixa | never |
| 22:53.34 | Otixa | $500 for a commercial license :( |
| 22:57.34 | Zolden | can we pirate it? |
| 22:58.39 | Triceron | Harr |
| 22:59.05 | Zolden | DeadZergling becasue it should be considered as 3d surface in 4d space, where it doesn't pierce itself |
| 23:00.33 | Zolden | in our space it look more like a fucked torus, but it fucked in the way that is not possible in 3d for 2d surfaces |
| 23:01.50 | Zolden | JademusSreg i made a couple, it just requires a test, if the physic part can lift men |
| 23:02.53 | Zolden | becasue the first (bugged) version of jesus happened 3k yeras ago, but he failed waterwalk, because they forgot to check a couple of checkboxes |
| 23:05.16 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 23:06.16 | Zolden | JademusSreg http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/43/912/planes_physics.rar |
| 23:08.18 | JademusSreg | Deadz, its invocation works well as an extreme, colorful head-up-ass. |
| 23:11.39 | Lusia | I can't figure out how to generate the normal map for a SC2 tileset texture |
| 23:12.01 | Zolden | Lusia do you have nvidia plugin? |
| 23:12.06 | Lusia | yea |
| 23:12.20 | Zolden | turn to black-white |
| 23:12.37 | Lusia | i tried converting to greyscale |
| 23:12.40 | Lusia | didn't work |
| 23:13.14 | Zolden | then generate a normal map |
| 23:13.26 | Lusia | i can't figure out how to |
| 23:13.38 | Zolden | filter -> nvidia tools -> normal map |
| 23:13.45 | JademusSreg | The notion that our universe's space-time could be a klein surface is also interesting, as the non-orientable property makes matter-antimatter a question of path through time analogous to interior traversal of the klein surface. |
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| 23:14.33 | Lusia | using what settings??? |
| 23:14.49 | Zolden | Lusia sec, lemme check |
| 23:15.35 | Zolden | Lusia http://i.snag.gy/JOK6u.jpg |
| 23:16.44 | Lusia | then save as a dds? |
| 23:16.53 | Zolden | nope, one more step |
| 23:17.14 | JademusSreg | Which is consistent with the position that the lack of antimatter in the observable universe could have been caused by an equal quantity of antimatter having been generated but in an opposite temporal direction, so to speak, which also neatly handles the bizarre requirement of chirality in various string theories. |
| 23:17.40 | Zolden | Lusia invert green channel, create alpha, copy red to alpha |
| 23:18.17 | Lusia | where is invert green channel? |
| 23:18.40 | Zolden | green channel of the normal map you generated |
| 23:19.08 | Zolden | go to channnels tab, pick green, ctrl i |
| 23:19.28 | Zolden | JademusSreg yea |
| 23:21.06 | Lusia | thats just flipping the image |
| 23:24.04 | Zolden | it should flip the greeen channel |
| 23:24.31 | Lusia | nope. flips the image itself |
| 23:24.53 | Zolden | sec |
| 23:25.07 | Zolden | Lusia http://i.snag.gy/wwoSw.jpg |
| 23:26.03 | Lusia | i did that then ctrl i and it flipped the image |
| 23:26.28 | Zolden | have you selected only the green channel? |
| 23:26.38 | Lusia | yes |
| 23:26.43 | Zolden | than it was what you need |
| 23:26.55 | Zolden | it only flipped it |
| 23:27.11 | Zolden | now copy red to alpha and it's done |
| 23:27.17 | Zolden | save as dxt5 |
| 23:27.40 | Lusia | but the normal map in a sample tileset looks the same as the texture except its all orange |
| 23:27.55 | Zolden | forget about orange |
| 23:28.15 | Zolden | if you did what I said, it will work |
| 23:28.37 | Zolden | if you wnat orange, make R white and B black |
| 23:28.43 | Zolden | or vice versa |
| 23:35.23 | Otixa | normal map converter on forum |
| 23:38.36 | Lusia | Here is the sample tileset's normal map: http://snag.gy/vzIue.jpghttp://snag.gy/YE5os.jpg and the texture: http://snag.gy/YE5os.jpg |
| 23:44.40 | Ahli | wikicreole, why are you the default setting >_> |
| 23:48.11 | Triceron | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr5rzSMNmRM |
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