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| 00:12.45 | ElectricPrism | Q: How do I get custom Stats in the Unit Selection box? eg: Agility, Strength, Armor, etc... http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/9/478/Screenshot2010-11-03_23_59_19.jpg |
| 00:13.04 | ElectricPrism | I want to add either icons or text to note a custom upgrade is present on that unit |
| 00:27.43 | Kueken | the attributes you see there are added via a Veterancy behavior |
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| 00:28.44 | Kueken | for a custom upgrade, I would probably just use a passive button, like most of the researched abilities are done |
| 00:28.56 | Kueken | eg concussive shells for the marauder |
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| 00:30.13 | Daara | mmm, best roast i've ever made |
| 00:30.22 | Daara | so easy to make, yet so delicious |
| 00:30.51 | ElectricPrism | Kueken: Thanks for the starting point, I'll do that |
| 00:36.34 | ElectricPrism | Kueken: I think I'll have to switch to Veterancy, I'd like enemies to be able to see the upgrades and it looks like you can only see the command card by owning the maraduer |
| 00:37.03 | Kueken | pretty sure there is a flag to make a button ǘisible for enemies |
| 00:37.07 | Kueken | *v |
| 00:37.20 | ElectricPrism | kk ty |
| 00:37.42 | Kueken | however, you might be right, I am not sure how it interferes |
| 00:38.18 | Kueken | you usually hide buttons via requirements, and it might check those requirements not for the owner but for the player who is looking |
| 00:38.23 | Kueken | you would need to check that |
| 00:47.56 | Al-Jizzeera | Kueken der Deutsche |
| 00:48.04 | Al-Jizzeera | deutscher |
| 00:48.12 | Al-Jizzeera | Kueken, I want to edit cliff meshes to make bridges |
| 00:48.48 | Kueken | are we talking modeling? |
| 00:49.04 | Kueken | haven't touched the art tools yet |
| 00:49.11 | Kueken | and I hardly know 3ds max |
| 00:49.15 | Al-Jizzeera | But have you touched small children |
| 00:49.26 | Kueken | nah, small chicken maybe |
| 00:52.04 | Kueken | so, Al-Jizzeera is like middle-eastern pay tv? |
| 00:52.33 | Al-Jizzeera | Kueken, ehh, it's like Al-Jazeera but with Jizz |
| 00:52.45 | Kueken | exactly what I meant |
| 00:52.59 | Al-Jizzeera | I think Al-Jazeera means the Island |
| 00:53.08 | Kueken | granted, my description was a little less explicit |
| 00:53.21 | Kueken | Lajla-TV, channel 2 |
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| 01:42.13 | MoonEater916 | whats a good vidoe editing software thats free |
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| 02:22.28 | Kueken | MoonEater916: I hear VirtualDub is good, never used it personally |
| 02:23.04 | Kueken | I used Camtasia Studio for recording and small edits, for that it was pretty decent |
| 02:23.13 | MoonEater916 | play |
| 02:23.56 | MoonEater916 | i made a tutorial |
| 02:23.59 | MoonEater916 | on kick commands |
| 02:24.01 | MoonEater916 | :P |
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| 02:27.30 | MoonEater916 | bunch of newbi map makers who happen to be women r asking me how to kick pigs out of thier game |
| 02:27.42 | MoonEater916 | if i could i would give them mace |
| 02:39.26 | Al-Jizzeera | Kueken, wouldn't you love it if some bridges existed as cliff meshes though? |
| 02:39.56 | Kueken | I am not sure, if it would be of use to me personally |
| 02:40.25 | Kueken | but if it helps you, by all means, I would love them as if they were my own children |
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| 03:12.34 | MoonEater916 | Kueken i would beat them as a` stepchild |
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| 03:50.13 | ElectricPrism | Q: I want to resize the Debug Text UI Element and move the Warning Text UI Element, can anyone link me to a tutorial or tell me where I should go to edit that? |
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| 04:10.32 | proprietarysucks | Can I replace the infopanel with a dialog and have it work on all resolutions? |
| 04:10.42 | proprietarysucks | or is it better to muddle through layout files |
| 04:14.40 | Daara | i've found messing with the UI to be a pain in the ass, figuring in different resolutions sucks |
| 04:39.19 | Daara | well, def not uploading an 82gb video to youtube....lol time to render as something else |
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| 04:49.30 | Sarah | hi |
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| 04:53.39 | ElectricPrism | @proprietarysucks: I was thinking of doing the same and minimizing the GUI by storing and deciding how to display unit information. I guess it really depends on what kind of functionality you need |
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| 05:15.04 | proprietarysucks | I think I will go another way |
| 05:15.17 | proprietarysucks | maybe I can just remove this weird thing: rank: disciple |
| 05:15.21 | proprietarysucks | or whatever that is |
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| 05:48.44 | Luisa | anyone here good with Star Tools? |
| 05:49.15 | twodei | what in paticular |
| 05:49.28 | Luisa | importing SC2 models |
| 05:49.40 | Luisa | I can't find the option with the tools |
| 05:49.44 | twodei | you need to get m3 importer |
| 05:49.52 | twodei | the fans made one |
| 05:50.10 | Kueken | as far as I am aware, the official art tools still don't support importing existing SC2 models |
| 05:50.21 | Luisa | then what good is star tools if you can't import the models |
| 05:50.23 | Kueken | they are excellent at exporting, though |
| 05:50.41 | twodei | and you need then older (2010 ver) or any other to run that tool while having cause it wont work with 2011 where are the startool are |
| 05:51.12 | Luisa | I only have 3ds 2011 |
| 05:51.13 | twodei | well they made that way to make your own models or use examples |
| 05:51.25 | twodei | from blizz to edit |
| 05:51.48 | Kueken | apparently they don't want everyone to just modify the base SC2 models |
| 05:51.52 | twodei | depended more on the Project files and not on exported to m3 files |
| 05:51.56 | Kueken | or just didn't bother |
| 05:52.16 | twodei | this tea is so shit..... |
| 05:52.46 | Kueken | thats a pretty disgusting flavor to have for tea |
| 05:53.22 | Kueken | like those magical beans from harry potter |
| 05:53.54 | Luisa | Star Tools are useless when you can't even import SC2 models with them |
| 05:54.15 | twodei | no they arent |
| 05:54.38 | twodei | you need to get fans tools to import them to 2010 ver 3DS MAX |
| 05:54.43 | twodei | and here you go! |
| 05:54.54 | Luisa | i have 2011 not 2010 |
| 05:55.02 | twodei | then you have to play with the model about a hour to make it work |
| 05:55.26 | twodei | 2011 wont support the fan made tool |
| 05:55.40 | twodei | as the blizz tool currupts it |
| 05:56.31 | Luisa | well so much for trying to do stuff with modeling. :( |
| 05:56.33 | twodei | unless you manage to uninstall or diactivate the tool and import the fan made |
| 05:57.01 | twodei | import all the models you want from SC2 save them as MAX files and delete the fan made tool |
| 05:57.07 | twodei | activate the startools |
| 05:57.25 | twodei | and play fixing the models |
| 05:57.48 | twodei | so here is the other way of playing |
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| 06:03.39 | Luisa | :( |
| 06:06.05 | twodei | what? |
| 06:06.09 | twodei | bad advice? |
| 06:06.18 | twodei | wtf dont be a pussy go for it |
| 06:06.22 | twodei | stop complaining! |
| 06:06.25 | twodei | IT SHOULD WORK |
| 06:06.51 | Luisa | I only have 3ds 2011 |
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| 06:10.09 | twodei | OH MY GOD |
| 06:10.25 | twodei | I wrote already how to make it work with 2011 |
| 06:10.44 | twodei | and import the SC2 models from the game |
| 06:13.31 | Luisa | the tools from sc2mapster is for 3ds 2010 |
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| 06:19.03 | twodei | try it anyway!!! |
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| 06:31.34 | Lepton | might sound stupid but i cant get a computer player behave like an afk user player |
| 06:32.02 | Lepton | if i do turn player x control off towards player x it disables the AI but all the rallies dont work |
| 06:33.23 | twodei | dont start the melee AI or any AI then |
| 06:33.33 | twodei | trigger |
| 06:33.36 | twodei | action |
| 06:33.37 | twodei | function |
| 07:07.09 | Lepton | twodei, it seems to start automatically |
| 07:07.21 | twodei | it shouldnt |
| 07:07.29 | Lepton | then thats very weird.. |
| 07:07.54 | twodei | AI does nothing unless the trigger Start Melee AI or Campaign AI is issued |
| 07:08.46 | Lepton | uhm, it might be hidden somewhere in triggers |
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| 07:11.53 | Lepton | twodei, i found it you were right |
| 07:12.04 | Lepton | tks |
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| 09:08.44 | G0A | hmm if I change an actor scale or model with catalogs for x player, will it only change for x player or is it even possible to change scale by catalogs? |
| 09:13.33 | ElectricPrism | Q: Do I edit the UI Frames under Data > "Game UI Data" - I want to resize some frames and remove others |
| 09:15.50 | ElectricPrism | G0A: Pick each player { Catalog Refference Set() } |
| 09:18.08 | A1win | there |
| 09:18.11 | A1win | oops |
| 09:18.14 | A1win | there |
| 09:18.17 | A1win | >_> |
| 09:18.35 | A1win | weird keyboard |
| 09:18.59 | A1win | ah there it is |
| 09:19.00 | ElectricPrism | Smells of DVORAK |
| 09:19.19 | A1win | nah it just has hyphen in the wrong place :P |
| 09:19.26 | A1win | so I pressed enter instead |
| 09:19.38 | A1win | anyway, there's UI module to edit the UI frames |
| 09:20.02 | A1win | not hyphen, what's that called... |
| 09:20.15 | ElectricPrism | Oh cool, is it a tab in Data? |
| 09:20.15 | A1win | apostrophe |
| 09:20.27 | A1win | it's a module like data editor and trigger editor |
| 09:20.41 | A1win | but it's XML editing so it's a bit complicated |
| 09:21.04 | ElectricPrism | Oh wow Modules -> UI, excellent |
| 09:21.19 | ElectricPrism | thank you |
| 09:21.36 | A1win | there's also an in-game system to see UI frames and get their values and stuff, just can't remember how it's enabled |
| 09:21.38 | G0A | ElectricPrism I know how to do it, I just dont know if it will work. (as many things do not work with catalogs) |
| 09:24.08 | ElectricPrism | G0A: If the data field can't be changed the only conclusion I can reach is the data field is a constant instead of a variable, at least it was in my case when I was trying to control command cards via triggers yesterday |
| 09:24.28 | A1win | if catalog doesn't work, you can always use the trick with flyerhelper to change an actor's scale for specific players |
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| 10:06.31 | JademusSreg | Miss anything of import? |
| 10:11.03 | A1win | I haven |
| 10:11.05 | A1win | fuu |
| 10:11.09 | A1win | damn apostrophe |
| 10:11.19 | A1win | I haven't been around so nothing important can't have happened |
| 10:11.35 | A1win | still not home until later tonight |
| 10:12.27 | JademusSreg | Too bad. One would hope for a patch worth dissecting. |
| 10:16.49 | JademusSreg | Had a few days off; I realized that helping people on a daily basis with simple stuff was, er, more or less infuriating. |
| 10:17.00 | A1win | hehe |
| 10:18.30 | JademusSreg | So I won't be doing that. Instead I'll do what I do best, which is solve interesting problems and ignore people who can't make use of my flippantly delivered solutions. |
| 10:20.56 | Bommes | damn, gone are the days of not actually having to know anything because you will figure it out anyways |
| 10:21.16 | Bommes | :/ |
| 10:23.20 | A1win | September 23, 2013: The dark age of StarCraft II mapping begins |
| 10:23.24 | JademusSreg | Yeah, much I enjoy indulging my vast, undulating ego by articulating detailed technical solutions to mundane problems in a fashion like that of a megalomaniacal wizard, it's exhausting and, when people don't get it and I am forced to add training wheels, rage-inducing. |
| 10:24.02 | Bommes | I like the use of the word megalomaniacal in that sentence. |
| 10:24.32 | Bommes | But I have no idea wtf you are talking about!!!1 |
| 10:24.43 | A1win | hmmh I need to kill an hour D: |
| 10:24.44 | Bommes | please restructure that sentence :D |
| 10:25.09 | JademusSreg | A1, I've got an easy way to do that. And it doesn't involve suicide, drugs, or time-travel. |
| 10:25.11 | JademusSreg | Bom, no. |
| 10:25.17 | Bommes | :( |
| 10:25.32 | Bommes | man, I have to do terrain stuff now |
| 10:25.38 | Bommes | I don't like terrain stuff |
| 10:25.53 | JademusSreg | Nested recursive universe: http://orteil.dashnet.org/nested |
| 10:26.23 | JademusSreg | Or rather, cosmos? Multiverse? Omniverse? |
| 10:30.24 | A1win | I found a nipple, now I |
| 10:30.31 | A1win | 've seen all I need to |
| 10:30.38 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 10:30.40 | Bommes | there's too many god damn qwubbles |
| 10:30.56 | JademusSreg | Check out lifeform tohughts. |
| 10:31.00 | JademusSreg | Especially cats. |
| 10:32.29 | JademusSreg | I fiddled with it for just over an hour, found a variety of embedded gags. Then I looked at the JS source, and spoiled all the jokes in the best way. |
| 10:32.42 | A1win | :P |
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| 10:33.51 | JademusSreg | Cat thoughts constructor is by faaar the longest single line of code. |
| 10:34.13 | Bommes | paranoid sloth "I think I saw something move." |
| 10:34.24 | Bommes | I don't think cats live on the planet that I am curretnly examining |
| 10:34.53 | JademusSreg | They might; it's randomly generated, so it's all luck anyway. |
| 10:35.56 | JademusSreg | But one would expect to find them within inhabited areas. |
| 10:36.23 | Bommes | one of the continents has like 20 different kinds of dinosaurs though |
| 10:36.42 | JademusSreg | Dinosaurs have amusing thoughts, as well. |
| 10:37.57 | A1win | http://www.dorkly.com/comic/54084/culture-of-violence |
| 10:38.10 | JademusSreg | Apparently there's a small chance to find especially weird shit, like lovecraftian horror monsters, abominable test subjects, weird space-inhabiting lifeforms. |
| 10:40.02 | JademusSreg | A1, most of what I've seen on Dorkly is shit that couldn't get a laugh in a clown sanitarium, but that was good. |
| 10:40.40 | Bommes | I found a space magician in his wizardtower |
| 10:40.44 | Bommes | but that' |
| 10:41.18 | A1win | never even heard of dorkly before that |
| 10:42.34 | JademusSreg | On the scale of Humor Grasped to Nearly Psychotic Laughter, that comic score a Smirk and a half Chortle. |
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| 10:48.56 | Zolden | guys |
| 10:49.47 | ElectricPrism | Can anyone tell me the Name of the UI frame for Debug Text on the left of the chat. Also the Warning frame |
| 10:50.38 | A1win | look them up in-game... if someone can tell you how to open the UI editor, I forget |
| 10:50.51 | ElectricPrism | Modules -> UI |
| 10:50.55 | ElectricPrism | I can't seem to find them :( |
| 10:51.05 | A1win | I mean the in-game editor |
| 10:51.14 | Zolden | http://www.deadline.com/2013/09/legendary-world-of-warcraft-paula-patton-colin-farrell/ |
| 10:51.16 | JademusSreg | (Ctrl Alt F12) |
| 10:51.48 | A1win | launch game and press that, you get an overlay where you can browse the frames and see their insides |
| 10:52.41 | ElectricPrism | oh cool |
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| 10:55.36 | Zolden_ | JademusSreg: tried that beam? |
| 11:33.51 | ElectricPrism | Can anyone check the syntax on my UI Frame "DebugDisplay" - I can't seem to set the Width, Height and Anchor Position using either of these http://pastebin.com/dReDmdpH |
| 11:37.25 | ElectricPrism | nvm, DebugDialog in the first example ended up wrong, replaced with "DebugDisplay" |
| 11:39.42 | JademusSreg | Zol, I've been playing through the most recent humble bundle. |
| 11:40.42 | JademusSreg | But it's on the todo list. |
| 11:41.13 | twodei | no zold here |
| 11:42.00 | JademusSreg | No worries; I'm confident the message will be received through internet telepathy. |
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| 12:29.53 | Bommes | he will receive the message. I mean, we are all constantly logging this IRC channel and reading the messages in our spare time. Right guys? Right? Guys? |
| 12:30.13 | twodei | nanannanananannanan |
| 12:30.14 | twodei | BATMAn |
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| 13:26.02 | Ownage | what the HELL is irc? |
| 13:26.30 | Ownage | yes we know you recall correctly. now stop bragging |
| 13:30.04 | Dustin | Internet Relay Chat |
| 13:31.18 | Ownage | don't be sarcastic now |
| 13:31.47 | Ownage | god damn I hate math in my older years |
| 13:31.50 | Ownage | how was I ever good at it |
| 13:32.22 | Dustin | Who's being sarcastic? |
| 13:32.43 | Dustin | Are you talking to someone I have blocked, or yourself? Cause Im confused now |
| 13:33.05 | twodei | any tips or map layouts you have in mind to make most enjoyable to play in? |
| 13:33.39 | Ownage | just yapping sorry |
| 13:34.06 | Ownage | yes make a good td to replace that crappy one that has been on the top list forever :) |
| 13:35.03 | twodei | not idea for gameplay but the map itself |
| 13:35.23 | Dustin | For melee? |
| 13:36.51 | Ownage | yes what you mean |
| 13:36.51 | twodei | for some Builder Conquering map stuff |
| 13:37.07 | Ownage | builder conquering map? |
| 13:37.12 | Dustin | hmm |
| 13:37.36 | Dustin | Just make sure it's balanced with Doodas, not too many, not to few. Im sick of seeing barren terrain |
| 13:37.58 | twodei | you know you go you kill stuff, but before that you build half of the map with boxes that gives you shit to make that killing shit happen |
| 13:38.43 | Ownage | never heard of it |
| 13:38.58 | Ownage | but as a general thing I like, I enjoy easter eggs :) |
| 13:39.10 | Ownage | nice to play a game with little hidden fun/funny things |
| 13:39.31 | twodei | hmm, okay |
| 13:39.47 | twodei | will take at least these suggestions |
| 13:45.30 | Ownage | hmm that's weird, is it just me or does unit type property not have life armor?? |
| 13:45.34 | Ownage | how do I query that? |
| 13:47.12 | Dustin | I don't know if you do to be honest, I haven't checked. |
| 13:49.58 | Ownage | unit property has it but unit type property doesnt |
| 13:53.36 | Ownage | brb |
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| 13:59.11 | Ownage | back.. any ideas? kinda weird |
| 14:01.54 | Ownage | oddly I find this patch note for 1.3 Added armor to the Unit Property and Unit Type Property triggers. |
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| 14:09.39 | Ownage | well trying with a hacky catalog check |
| 14:11.43 | twodei | forgot how to make a splat in 3DS |
| 14:12.48 | twodei | oh found it |
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| 14:21.13 | Dustin | If someone sees Zolden join will they ping me? |
| 14:22.21 | G0A | so anyone had problem with player taking control of replay which cause an overwrite in the banK? |
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| 14:23.12 | twodei | make no replays recording for now and report for blizz the problem |
| 14:30.05 | G0A | I am lazy to report anything to them, cause they wont fix it anyway |
| 14:31.30 | Ownage | yep it work.. can query unit type life armor by converting unit type to catalog entry and querying it that way |
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| 14:34.37 | G0A | it seems there is not even a way to detect if somebody took control of the game from replay |
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| 14:38.12 | Ownage | is there a non crazy way to quickly figure out the average current damage of all units on map? |
| 14:38.34 | Ownage | doesn't have to be scientifically accurate, just a fairly good approximation |
| 14:38.37 | Dustin | lol oh wow |
| 14:38.56 | Dustin | Well you're going to have to store the damage of each unit everytime they do damage |
| 14:39.09 | Ownage | you can't select all weapons or something like that? |
| 14:39.10 | Ownage | brb |
| 14:39.14 | Dustin | Then loop through that and average it by gametime or something |
| 14:50.59 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 14:52.11 | JademusSreg | Own, I may have something of use. |
| 14:53.12 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/JademiteScripts.SC2Lib |
| 14:53.39 | Ownage | thanks will look |
| 14:53.46 | JademusSreg | It's in JademiteScripts/Systems/Damage Tracker |
| 14:54.39 | Ownage | looks like a huge crazy script too cool for a lowly gui guy like me :( |
| 14:54.59 | JademusSreg | It's a script for a system that tracks damage by player, unit, and effect. |
| 14:55.36 | JademusSreg | It outputs the info to text file once tracking is stopped. |
| 14:56.03 | Dustin | He's got a GUI Lib ownage, one sec I have it |
| 14:56.28 | Dustin | Oh wait |
| 14:56.34 | Dustin | nevermind Im thinking about the input |
| 14:56.42 | Dustin | Damn mondays. |
| 14:56.44 | Ownage | I can't be bothered to learn yet another scripting language at this point in my life |
| 14:56.47 | JademusSreg | Ah, well, it doesn't use any script-specific features, so porting to GUI is as easy as making some wrapper actions. |
| 14:57.00 | Dustin | Lol then you're not going to be coding long :P |
| 14:57.05 | Ownage | when they start using python let me know, at this point I'll stick to clicking around like an apple user |
| 14:57.11 | Ownage | :) |
| 14:57.19 | Dustin | Languages are poping up faster than something that pops up super fast |
| 14:57.25 | Ownage | but yeah I'll take a look at the script and get some ideas. thanks for the tip |
| 14:57.45 | Ownage | Dustin, I thank you for that :) good smile |
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| 14:57.59 | JademusSreg | New Action > Add Action > Custom Script > make it call the function using the GUI action's parameters. |
| 14:57.59 | Dustin | hehe |
| 14:58.00 | JademusSreg | Simple. |
| 14:58.02 | Ownage | and a half-exhale through my nose, thus proving it was in fact funny |
| 14:58.07 | Kueken | shark |
| 14:58.25 | JademusSreg | Do that for the functions in the API you intend to use. |
| 14:58.40 | JademusSreg | Easy as promiscuous pie. |
| 14:58.50 | Ownage | OK let's not get carried away here |
| 14:59.03 | Ownage | :) |
| 14:59.16 | Dustin | lmao |
| 14:59.51 | JademusSreg | Also, reposting my earlier messages: |
| 14:59.57 | Ownage | what I want to do is in a periodic trigger, get a real number which represents the average damage per second of all units on the map, which of course is not strictly possible |
| 15:00.10 | Ownage | so for me something near to that concept will be just fine |
| 15:00.19 | JademusSreg | Had a few days off; I realized that helping people on a daily basis with simple stuff was, er, more or less infuriating. |
| 15:00.19 | JademusSreg | So I won't be doing that. Instead I'll do what I do best, which is solve interesting problems and ignore people who can't make use of my flippantly delivered solutions. |
| 15:00.19 | JademusSreg | Yeah, much I enjoy indulging my vast, undulating ego by articulating detailed technical solutions to mundane problems in a fashion like that of a megalomaniacal wizard, it's exhausting and, when people don't get it and I am forced to add training wheels, rage-inducing. |
| 15:00.54 | Ownage | hey don't get all stallone on me guy |
| 15:01.01 | Ownage | I said thanks for it and I will check it out |
| 15:01.16 | Ownage | no need to go first blood on the town |
| 15:01.18 | JademusSreg | Naw, that's just an excerpt from shit I said when I lo9gged in earlier. |
| 15:01.56 | Ownage | what I'm doing now is just incrementing a super guess real var to represent what the damage MIGHT be at the stage of the game |
| 15:02.03 | Ownage | which shockingly isn't super accurate |
| 15:02.41 | Ownage | then again it feels like calcing all the dmgs off like 500 units every minute or so seems like it will be super lag |
| 15:02.49 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 15:03.03 | JademusSreg | You've got more to worry about from overflow. |
| 15:03.18 | JademusSreg | 19:12:1 |
| 15:03.31 | Ownage | I don't read the bible sorry |
| 15:03.53 | Ownage | is that something about thou shalt whatever, jesus and don't do anything bad or you'll die forever? |
| 15:03.56 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/triggers/types/fixed/ |
| 15:04.15 | Ownage | gotcha |
| 15:04.31 | JademusSreg | 19 bits whole, 12 bits fractional, and 1 sign bit. |
| 15:04.46 | JademusSreg | So overflow is a near certainty. |
| 15:04.46 | Ownage | though can't you compound to find averages? something like that |
| 15:05.08 | Ownage | like ((A + B /2) + C)/2 ? |
| 15:05.26 | Ownage | I fail math everytime I even start to think about it so ignore that if it's as stupid as it's likely to be |
| 15:05.56 | Ownage | but if you can, then overflow shouldn't care about existing |
| 15:06.08 | Ownage | but more calcs/sec |
| 15:07.04 | Ownage | yeah I think you can't.. nvms |
| 15:07.11 | Ownage | alright so let me think some more about this |
| 15:07.23 | Ownage | maybe you can use your supernoodle to pitch another idea to me |
| 15:07.29 | Ownage | here's what I want to be able to do |
| 15:08.06 | Ownage | at any given time, (though the data can be cache from the last time a periodic ran), I want to be able to present a value which represents the EHP of a unit |
| 15:08.30 | Ownage | the problem with EHP is that at least as far as I can tell, you have to know what the damage/second you're anticipating a unit to take |
| 15:09.01 | Ownage | so my idea was to weigh in the armor and hp, and get an average of the damage per unit at intervals |
| 15:10.01 | Ownage | I've tested it vaguely successfully using a dummy incrementing variable, so for example at 5 minutes into the game the damage expected on a unit would be 20/second |
| 15:10.10 | Ownage | and then at 10 minutes maybe 25 or whatever |
| 15:10.43 | Kueken | too bad the Conjoined behavior isn't a little more flexible |
| 15:10.52 | Ownage | then I'm basically calcing how many hits it would take to die from that attack based on hp and armor, then basically calling that ehp |
| 15:11.10 | Kueken | otherwise you could conjoin all units n the map to a single dummy with massive hp and just read his hp change |
| 15:11.13 | Ownage | it's not perfect by any stretch and it doesn't even try to think about the fact that some units won't even be able to target that unit, etc |
| 15:11.26 | JademusSreg | Conjoined had some additions recently. Couple that with armor formula additions, and you could do some weird things with it. |
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| 15:11.46 | JademusSreg | But not useful in this cas.e |
| 15:12.12 | Kueken | yeah, you cannot conjoin all units to 1 single unit without all other units affecting each other, right? |
| 15:12.12 | Ownage | the ehp is of a single unit and I already grab armor, plus hp of that one |
| 15:12.47 | Ownage | the thing I can't even vaguely determine right now is what is that unit up against |
| 15:12.49 | JademusSreg | Own, what is the purpose of all this? |
| 15:13.23 | Ownage | to have a effective hitpoints metric |
| 15:13.31 | Ownage | similar to whats used in diablo series |
| 15:13.36 | Ownage | a 'toughness' metric |
| 15:13.56 | JademusSreg | For what purpose? Gameplay or content balancing? |
| 15:14.01 | Ownage | gameplay |
| 15:14.05 | Ownage | rewards for tankers |
| 15:14.20 | Ownage | as well as having a meaningful metric for tank units with crap damage |
| 15:15.16 | JademusSreg | So good tanks get rewarded, bad tanks fall behind, as a result of the parametric? |
| 15:15.52 | Ownage | for example if you have 3 players and one focuses on ghost unit |
| 15:15.56 | Ownage | and the other focuses on firebat |
| 15:16.02 | Ownage | ghost will get most of the kills |
| 15:16.20 | Ownage | however firebat is just as useful, and should basically get rewarded by the fact that he's tough |
| 15:16.52 | Ownage | as you make him tougher through upgrades to armor and hp, he becomes more useful to the team and should therefore be able to generate more cash for you, because he has higher ehp |
| 15:17.02 | JademusSreg | What precludes the direct route of rewarding players for both damage dealt and damage taken? |
| 15:17.13 | Ownage | I originally thought of that |
| 15:17.27 | Ownage | however it scares me because ehp concept can be periodic, like every 2 minutes |
| 15:17.38 | Ownage | whereas that will be a trigger running thousands of times a minute basically |
| 15:17.52 | JademusSreg | Unless you use data. |
| 15:17.54 | Ownage | the other thing is, tank units don't really take damage, that's the idea |
| 15:18.10 | Ownage | if your units is so dope he's taking .5 dmg per hit, that's GOOD, not bad |
| 15:18.42 | Ownage | meanwhile the un-upgraded exact same unit next to him gets one shot killed, it became apparent it would be hard to tell the difference there |
| 15:18.57 | Ownage | in that case the crappy cheap non-upgraded one would have taken a ton more damage |
| 15:19.40 | Ownage | even if you could grab gross damage or just the damage which is reduced it still doesn't work out right |
| 15:20.03 | JademusSreg | Blizzardotallstars and Final Fantasy Tactics have one thing in common. |
| 15:20.12 | Ownage | they are games |
| 15:20.15 | Ownage | boom! |
| 15:21.04 | Ownage | I played ffT like once, I played wc3 dota like 50,000 times, and sometimes still do |
| 15:21.08 | JademusSreg | Rather than add a whole bunch of stats to complicate unit survivability, they just pack on the life pools directly. |
| 15:21.19 | Ownage | what do you mean |
| 15:21.48 | Ownage | is that different than wc3 dota? |
| 15:22.00 | Ownage | because that has armor and hp and all kinds of complicated dmg affecting stuff |
| 15:24.02 | JademusSreg | http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/LQgO1TwUbNU/maxresdefault.jpg http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Final_Fantasy_Tactics_Armor |
| 15:24.41 | Ownage | I'm considering just doing something like adding the amount spent on armor and hp upgrades and using that as a metric >< |
| 15:24.41 | JademusSreg | First link, bottom left. Second link, HP Bonus column. |
| 15:24.47 | Ownage | gracias |
| 15:24.51 | JademusSreg | absconds. |
| 15:26.07 | Ownage | so looks like fft uses dmg reduction % and hp |
| 15:26.16 | Ownage | and blizzard dota uses just hp |
| 15:28.13 | JademusSreg | (FFT boosts life; damage reduction is limited to unit specific support passives and specific buffs.) |
| 15:30.17 | Ownage | ok thanks I have some good ideas appropriate for my map now :) |
| 15:30.51 | Ownage | come to china I'll buy you a 啤酒 |
| 15:33.08 | JademusSreg | Exotic cheap booze sounds nice. Anyway, just pointing out conceptual elegance is more readily understood and playable than a convoluted route to the same destination. |
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| 15:53.07 | Ownage | hmm what does it generally mean when you can purchase things that cost more than what you have? |
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| 15:54.45 | JademusSreg | You're a banker. |
| 15:55.14 | Ownage | I mean my builder can build stuff that costs more than the minerals he has for some reason |
| 15:55.21 | Ownage | like he has some hidden minerals |
| 15:55.31 | Ownage | is that something from being allied with a neutral or something? |
| 15:55.44 | JademusSreg | If shared resources is enabled. |
| 15:55.46 | Dustin | you can spend allied minerals if that property is enabled |
| 15:57.04 | Ownage | are neutrals considered "active players" ? |
| 15:57.34 | Kueken | don't worry, it works for a couple of months, then your bank will show up and take all the buildings and minerals |
| 15:57.52 | turtles1 | lol at bank jokes |
| 15:58.32 | Kueken | and now that bank capacity isn't so limited anymore... |
| 16:01.07 | turtles1 | On a completely unrelated matter coding triggers in sc2 is really making me apreciate all the tools of "proper" languages like C++, Java, etc that I previously thought of as unimportant |
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| 16:01.11 | JademusSreg | Baduntsss |
| 16:03.15 | Kueken | almost googled that -.- |
| 16:03.25 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 16:04.17 | JademusSreg | turt, curious, which Java ide do you prefer? |
| 16:05.32 | turtles1 | Been a long while since I've worked on a code base big enough to justify using an IDE |
| 16:05.41 | turtles1 | usually I just use a text editor like vim |
| 16:05.56 | turtles1 | and a compiler / debugger seperately |
| 16:06.05 | turtles1 | I've never coded "professionally" |
| 16:06.08 | Ownage | :%s/vim/vim-enhanced/g |
| 16:06.43 | turtles1 | actually I usually use gvim in terminal mode which emulates vim with extra features |
| 16:06.50 | turtles1 | what's vim-enhanced? |
| 16:07.04 | turtles1 | or is that what you meant? |
| 16:07.05 | Ownage | it's what you're most likely calling vim ;) |
| 16:07.13 | turtles1 | ahh. ok :) |
| 16:07.32 | Ownage | vim is the old crappy one you still find on non-gnu OSes |
| 16:07.53 | Dustin | WHAT |
| 16:08.04 | Dustin | Vim is amazing |
| 16:08.24 | Dustin | Well with a lot of plugins it is |
| 16:08.25 | Dustin | lol |
| 16:08.34 | Ownage | not when compared to the standard vim practically everywhere uses |
| 16:08.36 | Dustin | I still prefer Sublime for when Im coding |
| 16:08.38 | Ownage | which is vim-enhanced |
| 16:09.07 | Dustin | http://vim.spf13.com/ |
| 16:09.13 | Dustin | That's what I use for VIM |
| 16:10.32 | Ownage | cool |
| 16:10.37 | Ownage | for sure vim-enhanced |
| 16:10.51 | Ownage | you are using it on windows? |
| 16:11.17 | Dustin | Linux VM |
| 16:11.28 | Bommes | haha, that guy in the Blizzard forums who rages about the SCU kickstarter is funny |
| 16:11.35 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 16:11.43 | Ownage | what flavor linux |
| 16:11.44 | JademusSreg | Who? |
| 16:11.47 | Dustin | Ubuntu |
| 16:12.03 | Ownage | cries for humanity |
| 16:12.10 | Ownage | I guess that's linux, yeah |
| 16:12.15 | Dustin | lol you guess? |
| 16:12.26 | Dustin | I've tried the other distros |
| 16:12.27 | Bommes | the one this thread is about http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/off-topic/58021-some-wiseguy-keeps-saying-scam/ |
| 16:12.34 | Dustin | To much crap wrong with them |
| 16:12.37 | Dustin | Ubuntu just works |
| 16:12.47 | Bommes | Just so you guys know, he is calling the FBI because of this whole SCU fraud |
| 16:12.54 | Ownage | I don't know what that means it just works |
| 16:12.59 | Bommes | so if some FBI detectives appear in this channel, don't be shocked! |
| 16:13.06 | Ownage | almost every OS just works |
| 16:13.26 | Dustin | Not really |
| 16:13.36 | Dustin | I had so many things i had to do to get Fedora at work to work |
| 16:13.54 | Dustin | had issues with remoting and wine |
| 16:14.00 | Ownage | I guess we are using them for different things :) |
| 16:14.08 | Ownage | what are you using wine for and what do you mean 'remoting' |
| 16:14.26 | Dustin | As a general Desktop OS is what Im talking about |
| 16:14.36 | Dustin | I am a programmer |
| 16:14.39 | Ownage | you said it's a vm |
| 16:14.46 | Dustin | I use linux for my webservers and development environments |
| 16:14.49 | Dustin | Yes |
| 16:14.51 | Dustin | it is |
| 16:15.02 | Ownage | a vm desktop environment, what for |
| 16:15.10 | Dustin | Because I can't game on linux yet |
| 16:15.14 | Dustin | So my main machine is windows |
| 16:15.16 | Ownage | ubuntu as a webserver makes me giggle :) |
| 16:15.32 | Ownage | yeah I use windows myself for my desktops, for that exact reason |
| 16:15.45 | Dustin | It's for local development, also theres nothing wrong with ubunut for webserver |
| 16:15.45 | Ownage | though I am excessively experienced with nix |
| 16:16.17 | Ownage | there's nothing wrong with it, like there is nothing wrong with windows for web serving |
| 16:16.27 | Dustin | no |
| 16:16.27 | Ownage | however in both there are not too much right |
| 16:16.31 | Dustin | different platforms man |
| 16:16.43 | Dustin | ugh windows webserving with IIS |
| 16:17.03 | Dustin | Cannot compare to running nginx of apache on ubunut vs redhat |
| 16:17.10 | Ownage | you can use apache's httpd on windows |
| 16:17.15 | Ownage | and it also 'just works' ;) |
| 16:17.46 | Dustin | I can also install and develop ruby on windows, but Im not a massachist |
| 16:17.58 | Ownage | ubuntu is a desktop OS retrofitted for their server version |
| 16:18.06 | Ownage | while some other linux distributions are the opposite |
| 16:18.25 | Ownage | it's my preference to use the OSes for what they are primarily designed for |
| 16:18.37 | Ownage | though you can of course do whatever you are comfortable with |
| 16:18.57 | Ownage | if I used linux desktops anymore I would use fedora, or opensuse perhaps |
| 16:19.10 | Ownage | or gentoo again :) |
| 16:19.40 | Ownage | some languages share this burdon of retrofitted akwardness; for example perl's OOP |
| 16:20.31 | Ownage | are you a ruby programmer then? |
| 16:20.58 | Dustin | No, I mean I've programmed plenty of things in Ruby but it's not my main language |
| 16:21.05 | Ownage | I find ruby to be the most annoying of the common scripting languages I've been exposed to, but some people like it |
| 16:21.34 | Ownage | I find their gem packaging and rails, passenger, etc to be quite shiity and annoying, as well as I don't enjoy their strange syntax |
| 16:21.45 | Ownage | but my friend really loves it, so good luck to him |
| 16:21.51 | Ownage | what are you most into? |
| 16:22.22 | Ownage | using puppet and mcollective on thousands of servers has forced me to be exposed to ruby as well :| |
| 16:22.54 | JademusSreg | Oh yeah, GP is just a mundane troll. |
| 16:23.02 | turtles1 | someone raised $80,000 for an SC2 mod?! |
| 16:23.06 | turtles1 | that's crazy! |
| 16:23.46 | turtles1 | Not crazy in a bad way. just crazy in the general sence that I would think there is no way that could ever happen |
| 16:23.50 | Ownage | hey not to get all sc2 related but, is there a 'better' way to grab units from a region and move them to another region, remembering their places, than making a bunch of smaller regions in both areas? |
| 16:24.01 | Ownage | yeah that is a lot |
| 16:24.43 | turtles1 | Ownage - find each unit in a region A |
| 16:25.04 | Ownage | what I mean is |
| 16:25.06 | turtles1 | find the distance from region A to region B |
| 16:25.16 | Ownage | oh nvm I'm listening |
| 16:25.22 | turtles1 | then move all units to current position + difference |
| 16:25.40 | turtles1 | so say region A is located at coordinates (3,5) |
| 16:25.52 | turtles1 | and B is at coordinates (8, 12) |
| 16:26.00 | turtles1 | find all units in A |
| 16:26.14 | JademusSreg | GP just trolls high profile shit. Rather desperate for the attention, it appears. All one need do is laugh. |
| 16:26.14 | turtles1 | say a marine is at position (4, 6) |
| 16:26.34 | turtles1 | move it to (4 + 5, 6 + 7) |
| 16:26.43 | turtles1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.54 | turtles1 | which is the same position in the new region |
| 16:26.58 | Bommes | no Jade, you have to defend yourself against such trollery |
| 16:27.02 | Bommes | VALIANTLY SIR, VALIANTLY |
| 16:27.10 | Ownage | thanks I'll look into that |
| 16:27.24 | Ownage | are you doing center of both regions there? |
| 16:27.42 | turtles1 | Ownage: it doesn't matter |
| 16:27.48 | turtles1 | as long as you are consistent |
| 16:27.59 | turtles1 | if the regions are the same size/shape |
| 16:28.17 | Ownage | is position relative to the map or the region? |
| 16:28.23 | turtles1 | then the difference in distance between the corners is the same as the difference in distance of their centres |
| 16:28.25 | Ownage | I was thinking map, in which case that doesn't matter |
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| 16:30.03 | turtles1 | yeah I was thinking of the units position reletive to the map |
| 16:30.23 | JademusSreg | Also trolls reddit, amazon, political excrement— er, opinion sites, given a lazy search, steam community. |
| 16:30.33 | turtles1 | but you could also find their distance relative to the region and do it that way it's all the same |
| 16:31.21 | turtles1 | it's like "x + 5" is the same as "5 + x" which is the same as "-(-5 - x)" |
| 16:31.26 | turtles1 | it's all the same thing |
| 16:31.36 | Ownage | thanks I'll dig in |
| 16:31.56 | turtles1 | :) |
| 16:32.58 | Ownage | so given the center of origin region, I need to first calc the difference between unit position and that |
| 16:33.13 | Ownage | then add that difference to the center of the other region to get the destination position |
| 16:33.27 | JademusSreg | And no, Bom, the proper response to a silly asshole is to laugh, the proper response to a troll is to disempower it. Much like flaws in the annealing of steel will cause stress fracture; it's precisely why you don't go fucking hollywood-swordfight parrying edge to edge. |
| 16:33.29 | Ownage | sound right? |
| 16:36.02 | Ownage | wow there's some interesting point functions. I've never messed around with these |
| 16:36.37 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/StandardGalaxy.7z |
| 16:36.44 | JademusSreg | See natives.galaxy |
| 16:37.44 | turtles1 | Ownage: you got it |
| 16:38.10 | Bommes | Ownage: I don't think you can just "add up" or calculate differences between points like that, you should use the center point of the regions and then place the units based on a combination of distance and angle with the "Point with Polar Offset" function |
| 16:38.50 | turtles1 | Bommes / Ownage |
| 16:39.05 | turtles1 | sorry I shouldn't have said "distance" I mean vector |
| 16:39.17 | turtles1 | if you were to use the correct term in 2D |
| 16:39.23 | Bommes | or actually since its just a 2-dimensional point you can directly just add each value up |
| 16:39.24 | Bommes | nevermind |
| 16:39.29 | turtles1 | yeah |
| 16:39.58 | Bommes | thought for a moment that might lead to problems, but yeah, that should be fine |
| 16:40.07 | turtles1 | say A is at (4,5) and B is at (4,6) |
| 16:40.13 | turtles1 | then the distance is 1 |
| 16:40.32 | turtles1 | but I meant add the vector (1,0) to the position of the units |
| 16:40.48 | turtles1 | hopefully Ownage understood? |
| 16:40.59 | Ownage | we shall see soon :) |
| 16:41.08 | Ownage | almost done writing it |
| 16:41.15 | turtles1 | lol, that's the attitude |
| 16:42.01 | Ownage | so how am I doing this difference, do I have to extract the x,y seperately or is there a magical difference thingy |
| 16:42.42 | turtles1 | Not sure if you can do that kind of stuff with points |
| 16:42.54 | turtles1 | will probably have to extract the x, y points |
| 16:43.09 | turtles1 | do the maths and then reconstruct the destination point |
| 16:43.16 | Ownage | coolio |
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| 16:52.43 | Zolden | Kueken: coukd you pls help this guy? http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/58017-actor-create-via-trigger/?post=1 |
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| 16:53.00 | Zolden | twodei: how's your progress? |
| 16:53.40 | twodei | making layouts of the map in Gimp2 and google researchs |
| 16:54.27 | Zolden | why gimp? are you against pirating? |
| 16:54.47 | Ownage | it tooooottttalllly works, thanks! |
| 16:54.50 | Kueken | Zolden: I have no idea how to handle action actors with triggers |
| 16:55.04 | Ownage | I like paint.net, much gooder than gimp imo |
| 16:55.14 | Kueken | "gooder" :D |
| 16:55.23 | turtles1 | Ownage w00t! love that "it actually worked" feeling |
| 16:55.26 | Ownage | pro word |
| 16:55.36 | Kueken | yeah, better is for noobs |
| 16:55.41 | Ownage | it worked immediately, nice to not fat finger anything either :) |
| 16:55.51 | twodei | Well im not comfortable with PS or MSpaint |
| 16:56.44 | Zolden | sc2println: hey, how are you doing? |
| 17:01.25 | Zolden | penis |
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| 17:05.05 | twodei | fleshlight |
| 17:07.31 | Zolden | some insects produce light, it's fleshlight |
| 17:07.55 | Zolden | if we burn meat, the fire produces fleshlight too |
| 17:08.55 | Zolden | fatties have light flesh, because fat's wight/volume is lower than for muscular tissue |
| 17:09.14 | twodei | http://youtu.be/e4Jihj0T5Cs |
| 17:10.28 | sc2println | Zolden: fine thanks |
| 17:10.28 | sc2println | The m3addon is getting better and better :) |
| 17:10.30 | Zolden | you think youtube link is answer for everything, don't you? |
| 17:10.57 | Zolden | art tools are getting better too, but slow |
| 17:11.15 | sc2println | did they add an import yet? |
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| 17:44.37 | MoonEater | anyone out there? |
| 17:45.05 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 17:45.35 | twodei | nigga nigga nigga |
| 17:45.58 | MoonEater | lol |
| 17:46.00 | MoonEater | jade |
| 17:46.07 | MoonEater | mind peer reviewing somthing |
| 17:46.38 | MoonEater | alot of people have been asking me to show them how i do my kick system in games for thier maps |
| 17:46.39 | MoonEater | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kdHT_92GRc |
| 17:47.13 | MoonEater | its not exactly scholory but i think it should be, just as a good thought be peer reviewed |
| 17:47.42 | twodei | and thats not cool! |
| 17:48.01 | MoonEater | what? |
| 17:48.18 | twodei | kicking people in general |
| 17:48.30 | MoonEater | well |
| 17:48.32 | MoonEater | they asked |
| 17:48.43 | twodei | and you kick them |
| 17:48.43 | MoonEater | actualy i have had 4 people ask |
| 17:48.53 | MoonEater | and 3 were girls looking to kick sexual harrasser |
| 17:49.02 | MoonEater | if i could i would give them pepper spray |
| 17:49.04 | JademusSreg | Oh yeah. http://pastebin.com/9ZfkZkX3 |
| 17:50.21 | MoonEater | Jade |
| 17:50.24 | MoonEater | but this is peer review |
| 17:50.26 | MoonEater | it works |
| 17:51.03 | MoonEater | i figure that its somewhat academic and should be reviewed by someone else |
| 17:51.08 | twodei | god damn it! One and only design as successful for map layout I see Europe + some small portions of other continents.. Like in Eras zombies invasion map................ |
| 17:51.41 | MoonEater | There shouldnt be too much infuriating stuff |
| 17:52.02 | JademusSreg | 1) StarCraft -2- Editor. 2) 41:45, way too long on something simple. Edit that like a motherlover, delete the old audio channel entirely, redub the edit. |
| 17:53.09 | MoonEater | well im not showing im explainign |
| 17:53.15 | MoonEater | introduction to triggers |
| 17:53.24 | MoonEater | theres even a diagram |
| 17:53.28 | MoonEater | :P |
| 17:53.36 | JademusSreg | 3) If you're spending a lot of time explaining stuff, like the fundamentals, that's good, but it needs to be it's own separate thing. Modularity. |
| 17:53.37 | MoonEater | i touch upon data types |
| 17:54.26 | JademusSreg | So I'd suggest making some amusing examples, so that you can both cover the fundamentals while entertaining. |
| 17:54.31 | MoonEater | so... what ur saying is people r dumb, dont want to learn, and when you try to teach them all meaning is lost and they get bored? |
| 17:54.52 | JademusSreg | No, I'm not saying that, though it's true. |
| 17:54.57 | MoonEater | XD |
| 17:55.23 | MoonEater | theres also a ban system |
| 17:55.29 | MoonEater | i went pritty fast though it |
| 17:55.32 | MoonEater | but... |
| 17:55.34 | MoonEater | hm.. |
| 17:55.59 | JademusSreg | But this is about design and presentation, content and efficient delivery. And this is like a huge fucking sandwich with good stuff inside, but it's 96% bread. |
| 17:56.05 | JademusSreg | Not even good bread. |
| 17:56.36 | MoonEater | LOLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:57.10 | MoonEater | jade, now im getting lazy |
| 17:57.18 | MoonEater | what if i put in the yellow tab things |
| 17:57.22 | MoonEater | at points of work |
| 17:57.29 | MoonEater | that they can skip 2 |
| 17:57.36 | JademusSreg | Where one seeks to educate, either entertain or being super-efficient in the delivery. |
| 17:57.45 | JademusSreg | Preferably both. |
| 17:58.29 | MoonEater | well this is dry for us |
| 17:58.36 | JademusSreg | 4) Also, either fix the captions or disable them. |
| 17:59.48 | JademusSreg | 3++) Back to this. If you break it all down into separate chunks with a specific purpose, you'll go a long way toward trimming the filler and waste. |
| 18:00.09 | MoonEater | there is no captions |
| 18:00.31 | JademusSreg | enables captions by default, because autocaptioning is usually comical. |
| 18:00.54 | MoonEater | u want me to edit captions by default?! |
| 18:01.23 | JademusSreg | But yeah, cover the basics in an entertaining and efficient way, so you don't bloat the videos up with repeated shit. |
| 18:02.14 | JademusSreg | And no. On my youtube account, I enable captions. And when you uploaded the video, you went with the default, which is to allow autocaptioning. |
| 18:02.55 | JademusSreg | And captions are good, so I'd suggest providing them, but whatever. |
| 18:03.28 | MoonEater | ah |
| 18:03.31 | MoonEater | well ok |
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| 18:04.06 | MoonEater | i really dont want to redo this took me 3 hours to make it plus this time to make annotations |
| 18:04.52 | JademusSreg | I don't have an hour to allocate to grooming the video's abundant ape pelt for delicious bugs, so that's my feedback for now. Basically, look at Prozaic's videos for Diablo 3, assuming they are public, and see some pretty tight presentation. |
| 18:04.56 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 18:05.57 | mille25 | hello |
| 18:06.29 | JademusSreg | (Hi. I'm totally, really, away. Yep, afk, for reals.) |
| 18:08.18 | MoonEater | hi miles |
| 18:08.22 | MoonEater | i missed u |
| 18:08.49 | mille25 | <3 |
| 18:08.59 | Dustin | ello |
| 18:11.39 | JademusSreg | (mille, that bnet topic seems only to have worsened; people ought to brush off the overt trolling.) |
| 18:12.04 | MoonEater | mille25 add vote kick? |
| 18:12.22 | twodei | http://snag.gy/YJs58.jpg |
| 18:12.30 | mille25 | MoonEater: ? |
| 18:13.03 | MoonEater | well ur talking about the blizzard thread about trolls in SCU? |
| 18:13.24 | mille25 | well, i dont really care about this topic, except for the post of pyro since he made countless claims without proof, which annoyed me. |
| 18:13.49 | MoonEater | add vote kick if you havnt already |
| 18:13.58 | MoonEater | and mabe a troll indicator |
| 18:14.09 | MoonEater | to adjust the votes needed |
| 18:14.20 | MoonEater | i did it with archive destroyers to detect rage quit |
| 18:14.23 | JademusSreg | Damn, pulled me back. |
| 18:14.25 | MoonEater | it looks for rage words |
| 18:14.28 | MoonEater | like fuck |
| 18:14.37 | MoonEater | then add it to a score for the player |
| 18:14.41 | mille25 | there is vote kick in scu, if you mean that. |
| 18:14.42 | MoonEater | over a period of time |
| 18:14.45 | MoonEater | if the player quits |
| 18:14.49 | MoonEater | it taunts him |
| 18:14.58 | Bommes | Jade, stop IRCing with your phone, remember, you are afk! |
| 18:16.29 | turtles1 | I'm all good with kicking/banning. Some people just really need a good kick! |
| 18:16.40 | turtles1 | But I think taunting is just counterproductive |
| 18:17.01 | JademusSreg | Anyway, GP is a low-level troll; same handle is found on a number of sites, trolling with an identical lexical and grammatical pattern. |
| 18:17.14 | turtles1 | If someone gets the message "you are banned for excessive profanity" then they might leave |
| 18:17.31 | mille25 | yeah, i pretty much instantly identified him as troll. |
| 18:17.43 | turtles1 | but I've seen cases of where they were taunted and then went out of their way looking for ways to ruin the experience for others |
| 18:17.47 | mille25 | sadly setho still needs some advice concerning trolls :D |
| 18:18.04 | mille25 | his posts gave me a good laugh though. |
| 18:18.18 | JademusSreg | Yes. Since GP was engaged by someone related to the project, expect more. |
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| 18:18.28 | mille25 | cant wait for it! |
| 18:18.46 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:19.18 | mille25 | seriously though, setho is just very passionate about the project and a little bit inexperienced in dealing with community. just needs a little bit of advice/experience. |
| 18:19.21 | mille25 | hes a mod on our page. |
| 18:20.31 | mille25 | im not really concerned about guys like GP though, its more about people like pyro who seem to be legit first |
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| 18:20.37 | mille25 | thats why i relied to him. |
| 18:20.41 | mille25 | *replied |
| 18:21.07 | JademusSreg | Just tell setho that a machete is worthless against a pillow; trolls must meet resistance to satisfy their desire to provoke. |
| 18:21.20 | Bommes | What do you guys think about SteamOS? http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamOS/ |
| 18:21.25 | JademusSreg | brb++ |
| 18:21.57 | mille25 | Bommes: i didnt use steam for a long time, but if its still as unstable and slow like in the past i really dont want an OS from them :D |
| 18:22.13 | Bommes | Hmm, well it's Linux based |
| 18:22.30 | Bommes | so they shouldn't be able to fuck it up THAT much I think :D |
| 18:22.41 | mille25 | that doesnt necessarily mean anything. while the linux kernel is very good, you can still destroy the experience with a slow/unstable user interface. |
| 18:22.53 | mille25 | just take a look at ubuntu as an example |
| 18:23.05 | mille25 | crashes pretty often and got unsuable in VMs with 12.10 + |
| 18:23.13 | mille25 | i switched to kubuntu and it runs perfectly. |
| 18:23.59 | mille25 | the kernel itself is probably better than the windows kernel, but all the stuff around it can mess it up very easily. |
| 18:26.43 | Bommes | I think it's very interesting that they claim that it is able to run all the Windows and Mac games on Steam though |
| 18:27.04 | mille25 | thats weird. that pretty much cant work. |
| 18:27.54 | mille25 | the only way this would work is that they have migrated all windows and mac libraries to linux |
| 18:27.59 | Bommes | yeah, maybe it's just a thing over network though and you still have to run a windows pc at the same time? |
| 18:28.03 | mille25 | which would be amazing but i guess thts very unlikely |
| 18:28.10 | Bommes | don't know any other way how that would work at all |
| 18:28.14 | JademusSreg | (Valve did what the Linux community couldn't; convinced Nvidia to consistently help port drivers to the OS with a well-reasoned argument and loads of monies.) |
| 18:29.22 | mille25 | i would love if there was a serious concurence for windows though, would benefit all users. linux is kinda meh, especially for unexperienced users and gamers, i guess mac is okay but just ships with macs and has very limited game compatibility. |
| 18:29.36 | Bommes | Oh I see, they have 2 more announcements incoming in the next 2 days. |
| 18:29.49 | mille25 | i love announcements of announcements. :) |
| 18:29.49 | Bommes | Maybe that will clear the whole concept up a bit more and clarify how it works exactly |
| 18:30.15 | mille25 | (i have to admit that i never used a mac in my life though) |
| 18:30.19 | Bommes | I think they mainly target more of a living room audience though based on that first announcement |
| 18:30.37 | Bommes | with hooking everything up with your TV and then hooking all of that into your home network |
| 18:30.53 | Bommes | and being able to access it with your notebook or desktop pc |
| 18:30.54 | mille25 | on the other hand, i mean, im not really missing anything on my windows 7... well sometimes you need an innovation to see what was missing all the time before. |
| 18:31.52 | mille25 | for example, the simple addition of a search bar in the start menu had a huge impact on usability of the OS. i really cant use XP any longer without freaking out (sadly im forced to use it at work though) |
| 18:32.20 | Bommes | :D |
| 18:32.54 | mille25 | i pretty much start everything by windows key + search, except for the stuff i use constantly which is attached to my startbar. |
| 18:33.30 | mille25 | the desktop is just some sort of temporary data storage for me for all the stuff i look at once and then delete it |
| 18:33.35 | mille25 | that prevents me from trashing my drive. |
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| 18:35.38 | Bommes | I think the direction they took with Windows 8 was weird |
| 18:39.19 | JademusSreg | (I can relate: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Images/Desktop.jpg ) |
| 18:42.15 | MoonEater | i like it |
| 18:42.19 | mille25 | http://s11.postimg.org/j1f8j4nlf/mess.png |
| 18:42.23 | mille25 | thats my current mess... |
| 18:42.27 | MoonEater | its just a different way to display the same thing |
| 18:42.33 | MoonEater | and it does the same thing as start |
| 18:42.38 | MoonEater | only uses the whole screen |
| 18:43.06 | MoonEater | lol min is clean and i use the default wallpaper |
| 18:43.09 | MoonEater | mine* |
| 18:45.35 | mille25 | Bommes: yeah i hated 8, too. i really tried but ... nah |
| 18:45.47 | mille25 | it just doesnt fit the way im using windows |
| 18:46.51 | mille25 | it might make sense for some people, but for pure workstations all the metro stuff is just not necessary and annoying. |
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| 18:50.13 | MoonEater | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/58028-tutorial-how-to-kick-players-and-ban-for-noobs/#p1 |
| 18:50.39 | MoonEater | i like windows 8 its fine for me |
| 18:50.48 | MoonEater | it took awhile to get used 2 |
| 18:50.56 | MoonEater | but once i did its smooth as 7 |
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| 19:08.06 | Stewox | ello |
| 19:08.22 | Stewox | good day of gathering grapes |
| 19:09.11 | Stewox | ... for a nice bedtime ambience .... you are listening to alex jones on the GCN radio netword tam tam tam dam dam dam dam dam (starwars theme) :p |
| 19:10.03 | Stewox | guest talking about all things EMF and other wireless smog |
| 19:11.06 | Stewox | you should never leave the phone turned on in a car, inside a car it works like a faraday cage, the signals bounce through the body many times |
| 19:12.38 | Stewox | if you live in USA, and you have a SmartMeter (the non-analog electric meter that has an LCD) you're probably having sleeping problems, all kinds of health effects, bad mood, and if you're 100 times more to get cancer, good luck |
| 19:14.01 | twodei | niflheim what is this textures dds doing in WoL does there are with name "Niflheim" textures pack? |
| 19:14.22 | Stewox | deborah tavares talks in the show now, here's the site on more info on all EMF things www.stopthecrime.net |
| 19:20.03 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 19:20.10 | Bommes | you should also care about leaving the house |
| 19:20.23 | Bommes | you could get mind controlled by the sun |
| 19:20.30 | Bommes | (that bitch) |
| 19:27.45 | JademusSreg | If it's any consolation, cosmic radiation gradually damages your genetic data whether inside the house or out. Of course, solar radiation is rather more direct about it. And while that radiation may not penetrate far underground, the planet is -of course- littered with radioactive isotopes. And even if one could be thoroughly insulated from radiation, genetic transcription errors pretty |
| 19:27.45 | JademusSreg | much guarantee everyone must play cancer-lottery. |
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| 19:52.09 | Dustin | JademusSreg, you wanna help me out with modifying my Inventory panel later? |
| 19:52.18 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 19:52.29 | JademusSreg | Care to hint at what will be needed? |
| 19:53.27 | Dustin | Well I've got it hooked up to my Portrait area, but it's jacked up if a specific player looks at it. But the main thing is I just want to get it to look good and get rid of some of the default crap |
| 19:53.49 | JademusSreg | Alright. Sounds like it might be interesting. |
| 19:54.11 | mille25 | isnt it possible to simply script a dialog inventory which uses the default item system? |
| 19:54.29 | JademusSreg | Yeah, should be. |
| 19:54.41 | mille25 | might be easier to get it looking the way you want it to. |
| 19:55.05 | JademusSreg | Coincidentally, Wrath was doing something similar with inventory frames a month or two ago. |
| 19:55.17 | Dustin | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/843426/Screenshot2013-08-03%2020_27_52.jpg |
| 19:55.22 | Dustin | That's what it looks like now |
| 19:55.46 | JademusSreg | And I take it that is not desirable? |
| 19:55.48 | Dustin | Yeah if I could get away from the default inventory crap that would be awesome |
| 19:55.49 | mille25 | thats not to bad actually. |
| 19:56.01 | Dustin | It's ok. But I want to snaz it up a bit |
| 19:56.10 | Dustin | make it more readable for equiped/bag |
| 19:56.16 | mille25 | im so glad we use a custom item system for SCU though... the default seems to limited. |
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| 19:56.28 | mille25 | im wondering if i should write a tutorial on this |
| 19:56.32 | Dustin | Yeah im not to impressed with it |
| 19:56.46 | JademusSreg | I expect the jacked-up-ness you mention would be a simple relative anchoring issue, so no worries, there. |
| 19:57.06 | mille25 | i guess its fine for basic functionality, but once you want some advanced features you probably run agains a wall. |
| 19:57.16 | Dustin | let see if I can take a Screenshot of the abnormalities |
| 19:57.29 | JademusSreg | mille, which advanced features specifically? |
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| 19:58.16 | Ahli | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/10038734466#1 |
| 19:58.29 | mille25 | how the tooltips exactly look like, automated blueprints, exact visual appearance, how exactly stacking works, moving items etc |
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| 19:58.41 | JademusSreg | The inventory API is shitty, yes, absolutely. But it has a few advantages. |
| 19:59.00 | mille25 | yeah it really depends on the use case i guess. |
| 19:59.01 | JademusSreg | Tooltips are doable with either custom templates and/or hookups. |
| 19:59.21 | JademusSreg | Not clear on what automated blueprints are. |
| 19:59.48 | JademusSreg | Or exact visual appearance, since templates/hookups cover all presentational elements. |
| 20:00.07 | JademusSreg | Stacking, yes, that's understandable, but doesn't preclude a hybrid approach. |
| 20:00.16 | JademusSreg | Moving items by what control scheme? |
| 20:00.17 | mille25 | as an example for advanced functionality, in SCU we can create blueprints and add existing items to them as components, which automatically generates the tooltip and even displays the needed/current amount of the component behind its name in the tooltip |
| 20:00.47 | Ahli | did anything happen in sc2 that I've missed? I'm back on wednesday/thursday :) |
| 20:01.04 | JademusSreg | But I completely understand not wanting to deal with the hassle of a shitty API and various mechanical pitfalls when one can instead exercise complete control. =D |
| 20:01.29 | mille25 | its just super frustrating if you suddenly run against some stupid limitation preventing you to implement a certain feature. |
| 20:01.33 | JademusSreg | Ahli: http://pastebin.com/9ZfkZkX3 |
| 20:01.57 | Zolden | Ahli: the only thing I found new is that there is wc movie activity |
| 20:01.59 | JademusSreg | Yeah, haha. |
| 20:02.50 | Ahli | wtf jade lol |
| 20:02.52 | mille25 | i wish there was a possibility to attach dialogs to the mouse cursor though... would allow awesome drag and drop systems and other cool features :) |
| 20:03.11 | Ahli | ^ |
| 20:03.11 | JademusSreg | Zol, they'd be better off employing their own in-house CG cinematic specialists. Since Diablo 2, it's the one thing they've done consistently, exceedingly, gorgeously well. |
| 20:03.55 | JademusSreg | They'd just need not-poop writers. |
| 20:04.43 | JademusSreg | mille, now there's another good reason to hijack inventory frames and enrich it with code. |
| 20:05.44 | Zolden | I read that blizz disliked the previous script, and it was rewritten by other guys |
| 20:05.46 | JademusSreg | Oh cool, DTs may become fast enough to not be terrible. |
| 20:10.35 | Stewox | jademussreg, SmartMeters are a death sentence, i've heard stories of dogs dying after a few months, extreme sleep issues, nearby plants dying off (leaves going dry) |
| 20:11.01 | Stewox | it's not really comparable to the sun, which has also benefitial radiation |
| 20:11.36 | JademusSreg | http://i.qkme.me/1brm.jpg |
| 20:12.12 | Stewox | tinfoil won't protect you from this, you need a proper faraday cage or shield, which isn't that expectice however |
| 20:12.49 | Bommes | how is paranoid parrot ever going to fly inside a tinfoil cage? |
| 20:13.02 | Bommes | RIP colorful birds of paradise which made all of our lifes better :( |
| 20:13.27 | Zolden | omg, Stewox is active |
| 20:14.08 | JademusSreg | http://i.qkme.me/35luqk.jpg |
| 20:14.10 | Stewox | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmS5pVEZHzg |
| 20:14.18 | Stewox | you don't have to take my word for it bommes |
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| 20:15.12 | Stewox | Dead Leaves around smart meter here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCR6mVApoXA |
| 20:15.17 | Triceron | hey Zolden |
| 20:15.41 | Zolden | hey |
| 20:15.45 | Zolden | what's smart meter? |
| 20:16.22 | Zolden | is it radiates radio waves? |
| 20:16.27 | Zolden | what frequency? |
| 20:16.37 | Triceron | you happen to have the open beta startools? |
| 20:16.40 | Zolden | and waht power |
| 20:16.51 | Triceron | trying to get it off blizz site, the d/l link looks broken |
| 20:17.03 | Zolden | Triceron: nope |
| 20:17.40 | JademusSreg | http://i.qkme.me/3pc12k.jpg |
| 20:18.02 | Zolden | well, they didn't fix flip book anims for composite materials, so no use |
| 20:18.24 | Zolden | nothing realy special was fied |
| 20:18.24 | Zolden | fixed |
| 20:18.47 | Stewox | cells being fryed by smart meter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4JDEspdx58 |
| 20:19.11 | Zolden | i know what smart meter is, it's just a length meter where 1 cm = 0.9 cm, so when one checks his penis with it, it look longer |
| 20:19.48 | Zolden | Stewox: wtf is smart meter? literal translation gives me no idea what it is |
| 20:20.22 | Zolden | like clever pound |
| 20:20.39 | Stewox | that's why they call it a smart meter, a stupid nonsense trendy name |
| 20:20.55 | Stewox | Electric meter, that measures your electric bill |
| 20:20.59 | Zolden | Triceron: was there a certain purpose to dl it, or you just curious? |
| 20:21.13 | Stewox | in usa it is a round shape, it's usually made by general electric |
| 20:21.22 | Zolden | electric bill? like in kill bill, but electric? |
| 20:21.39 | Stewox | zolden: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1unqfTXqFLI/T0kuM5lEhpI/AAAAAAAAB4A/Wg3qQM-hGYM/s1600/Smart-Meter-Examples.jpg |
| 20:21.51 | Stewox | those that have LCD are "smart" |
| 20:22.03 | JademusSreg | http://i.imgur.com/7BoJEsD.jpg |
| 20:22.38 | Zolden | oh, lol |
| 20:22.42 | Stewox | those that have the rotating disc are analog and are not wireless or anything like smart meters |
| 20:22.44 | Stewox | http://www.prc68.com/I/Images/AnalogEMeterb.jpg |
| 20:22.56 | Zolden | does it radiate electric fields? |
| 20:23.17 | Stewox | zolden, smart meters are unregulated industry, the wireless is 100 times stronger than anything cell phones use |
| 20:23.21 | Stewox | it is DEADLY |
| 20:23.28 | Stewox | it will mutate your cells |
| 20:23.33 | Zolden | Stewox: they use the same principle as used on motherboard of your computer |
| 20:23.34 | Stewox | you get cancer |
| 20:24.05 | Stewox | please do not be swayed by those who have not researched this and laugh at us who did |
| 20:25.25 | twodei | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7INy8Pkyh0 |
| 20:25.41 | Zolden | Stewox: oh, you mean they sand info to the electric company? |
| 20:27.39 | Stewox | zolden, it is very disturbing |
| 20:27.55 | Stewox | the wireless capability inside is double way |
| 20:27.59 | Triceron | well I had the closed beta version |
| 20:28.02 | Stewox | some do not have it |
| 20:28.07 | Triceron | I figured the open one would be more up to date |
| 20:28.15 | Zolden | JademusSreg: lol, that picture includes everything he said |
| 20:28.21 | Stewox | some will have it via "software upgrade" some cities are spending many millions on new contracts |
| 20:28.40 | Stewox | why the hell would a electric meter need double way communication |
| 20:28.56 | Zolden | Triceron: couple minor bugs fixed, nothing else |
| 20:29.16 | Triceron | k |
| 20:29.20 | JademusSreg | Of course, I jest. The actual -ultimate- conspiracy is that conspiracy theories are encouraged, designed and proliferated, by those in power to distract and discourage people from taking effective action against real but mundane plots they perpetrate on a daily basis; cultivating the illusion of omnipotence and futility of informed political activism is the most effective, and more importantly |
| 20:29.20 | JademusSreg | real, tool in service of their clandestine machinations. |
| 20:29.23 | Stewox | they can send signals to shut down your power remotely, they can change the meter to change teriffe |
| 20:29.26 | Triceron | I'll install it anyways |
| 20:29.57 | Stewox | everything can be made look as such if you start with a biased approach jademus |
| 20:30.16 | Zolden | Stewox: how about goverment hides hydrogene energetics related battery technology? |
| 20:30.20 | JademusSreg | The kettle said to itself in the mirror. |
| 20:30.40 | Stewox | zolden, the smart meter can detect what kind of appliances you have in home, computer, tv, fridge, radio all emmit distinct EMF patterns that they can detect |
| 20:30.42 | Zolden | Triceron: yea, i will too, just to make sure about that flip book thing |
| 20:31.22 | Stewox | smart meter can connect to other smart meters, it is a whole grid system, they can connect up to 5kilometers or possibly more |
| 20:31.37 | Zolden | Stewox: are you talking about US stuff? because I'm sure, in yugoslavia you have old stuff |
| 20:31.46 | Triceron | what's up with flip book? |
| 20:32.07 | Triceron | btw I tried that yesterday normally, couldn't get particles working with it. Not sure how. |
| 20:32.50 | Stewox | doesn't mean it won't get into EU eventually |
| 20:32.56 | Stewox | not in my country specifically |
| 20:33.01 | Zolden | Triceron: make a particle with standard material, use a flip book anim, it will work. Than use composite material, flip book won't work |
| 20:33.01 | Stewox | but it is in eu already |
| 20:33.32 | Triceron | oh, weird |
| 20:34.03 | Zolden | Triceron: you define flip book raws and columns, and start/end frame in the particle, but then check "use particle flipbook" in each map of your materials |
| 20:34.26 | Stewox | yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore |
| 20:34.36 | Zolden | Stewox: what's modern name of your part of the yougoslavia? |
| 20:34.36 | Triceron | ah, I didnt check the material |
| 20:35.29 | Stewox | slovenia |
| 20:35.29 | JademusSreg | Clearly, the conspiracy I outlined must be true, as it is self-evident. One need only notice the lack of politically active conspiracy theorists, who instead spend their time trying to convince people of implausible conspiracies unaware they have themselves become the tools for the most sinister plot ever devised, turning minds inward and against the world. |
| 20:35.46 | Stewox | it's "independent" now |
| 20:36.18 | Stewox | problem is , this is not a conspiracy Theory we're talking about here |
| 20:36.26 | Zolden | Stewox: is it the one which includes Belgrad? |
| 20:36.30 | Stewox | it is like you see it |
| 20:36.59 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
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| 20:37.32 | Obscene | AHAHAHAHAAHAH |
| 20:37.36 | mille25 | http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSg0jqgRRLMqkIHjqkMzZAtGbImm_RhSjE4bdsGJIMFMUtvWzf_Ag |
| 20:37.38 | Stewox | EU pushes these smart meters, but thanfully there is a non-wireless technologc alled PLC and DLC which uses the existing electrical cabling to integrate billing information |
| 20:38.16 | Stewox | USA has exclusively smart meters with deadly wireless emmisions |
| 20:38.36 | Stewox | what about belgrade ? |
| 20:38.39 | Bommes | would wired emissions be less deadly? |
| 20:38.47 | Bommes | just out of curiosity, since you are the guy who did the research on the topic |
| 20:38.50 | Stewox | bommes stop trolling |
| 20:38.52 | Zolden | Stewox: is belgrade part of your country? |
| 20:38.57 | Stewox | nope |
| 20:39.00 | Stewox | i am not in serbia |
| 20:39.03 | Bommes | man I didn't say anything for like half an hour |
| 20:39.07 | Zolden | ok |
| 20:39.20 | Bommes | how can I troll |
| 20:39.28 | Stewox | didn't i've told you where i am ? |
| 20:39.53 | Zolden | Stewox: do you have an explanation of why it's so fucking cold? There will be snow in 3 days |
| 20:40.13 | Stewox | what are you talking about ? |
| 20:40.49 | Zolden | all say about global warming, and in moscow it's like global icening |
| 20:41.05 | Zolden | i remember snowless december, now it's snow in september |
| 20:41.46 | ArcanePariah | So random question, when people create acheivements in maps, do you all have to manually reconstruct the dialog Blizzard uses or do you use the actual built in achievement dialog and achievement data type to store the data? |
| 20:42.26 | Stewox | the fluctuations that are going for 5 years cannot possibly be taken as a real indicator, so the climate change pushers have made strides to include inaccurate historical data to make their graphs look like the temps are rising and co2 too |
| 20:42.37 | Stewox | and since the climategate leaks |
| 20:43.25 | Stewox | it's been well known the planet has been very slightly cooling, doesn't mean it's going to cool more and more, the 15 year record could just be a part of a larger fluctuation |
| 20:43.37 | Triceron | Wired emissions can be deadly too. Lost a second cousin to it. |
| 20:43.51 | Stewox | since like 1998 or 1997 where the report starts |
| 20:43.59 | Stewox | it's been 15 years |
| 20:44.09 | Stewox | the temps show a decrease |
| 20:44.53 | Zolden | so, will siberia ever turn to tropical heaven? |
| 20:44.59 | Zolden | i had hopes for it |
| 20:45.00 | Stewox | the official documents are a fraud, they cut one year back, 1997, so they started the official report with 1998 to make the graph look even more straigh up, ofcourse all the stuff was forged in the middle as well |
| 20:45.08 | Stewox | no |
| 20:45.11 | Stewox | as I said |
| 20:45.14 | Zolden | ;/ |
| 20:45.36 | Stewox | all these are probably a part of a larger fluctuation which for example can go for 100 years and it's in the fall now |
| 20:46.01 | Stewox | it could start to rise in like 20 years, and it could be rising for 20, then go down again |
| 20:46.18 | Stewox | and these are averages of 0.1 Celsius |
| 20:46.23 | Stewox | tiny changes |
| 20:46.36 | mille25 | http://cdn.meme.li/i/460x/5gyhv.jpg |
| 20:47.13 | Stewox | so do you have smart meter zolden ? |
| 20:47.13 | Zolden | Stewox: do you think there is a chance of supernova explosion above north semisphere to warm the earth up a bit? |
| 20:48.12 | Zolden | let's discuss what I want |
| 20:48.34 | Stewox | you're talking about worthless babble |
| 20:48.43 | Stewox | i'm asking you important questions |
| 20:49.14 | Stewox | are you in US and if you've seen a smart meter before ? |
| 20:50.00 | Stewox | anything about climate change is not debatable basically, it's a hoax, period, so i don't want to waste time on it |
| 20:50.18 | Zolden | supernova is 10^50 times stronger than smart ass meter |
| 20:52.12 | Triceron | a Champagne Supernova is 10^50 times more smartass than a regular Supernova |
| 20:52.32 | Stewox | how does this matter at all ? |
| 20:52.48 | JademusSreg | Perhaps Stew notices secret messages in various media? |
| 20:52.52 | Bommes | pls stop this discussion, it makes me sad http://i.imgur.com/Y1DB4.gif |
| 20:53.32 | Stewox | maybe your mind is too weak to cope with the truth |
| 20:53.38 | Zolden | Stewox: goverment may hide the info about supernovas to avoid panic. Observatories are realy aware of stuff like that |
| 20:53.42 | Bommes | yeah might be, that doesn't change my point though |
| 20:53.55 | Stewox | if you see smart meter in your house, use a gun and shoot it, throw it out in the trash |
| 20:55.11 | Stewox | just tell parents (if applicable) or tell your self to educate on this subject and remove it from your sight |
| 20:55.42 | Stewox | you need to get neighbours to remove it as well or else you're pretty much screwed anyways, but getting off your own house is the first step |
| 20:55.56 | Triceron | I finished attack anims on my Ballista and Catapult models |
| 20:55.59 | Triceron | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Ballista_zpsf254e0b0.gif |
| 20:56.12 | Triceron | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Catapult_zps9339a3cb.gif |
| 20:56.34 | Zolden | Triceron: does firing ball fire use flip book? |
| 20:56.39 | Triceron | no |
| 20:56.44 | Triceron | i was testing it for it |
| 20:56.53 | Triceron | but i couldn't get the anim to work |
| 20:56.57 | Triceron | I will test again today |
| 20:57.11 | Triceron | I think it might be that I didn't set the flag on the material map |
| 20:57.26 | Bommes | looks awesome :) |
| 20:57.40 | Bommes | are you going to use the flaming rock/spear as separate models in the end though? |
| 20:57.47 | Triceron | thanks! First unit that I did custom anims for so far |
| 20:57.49 | Triceron | yes |
| 20:57.56 | Triceron | they'll be separate projectile models |
| 20:58.07 | Bommes | I like the wiggle of the catapult :D |
| 20:58.28 | Bommes | and Ballista too I guess, but looks better on the catapult |
| 20:58.33 | Bommes | to me at least |
| 20:58.35 | Triceron | yah, I added a bone for the base and did that all of yesterday. It didn't look right without a little shake |
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| 20:59.55 | Stewox_ | sry needed to reboot router |
| 21:00.25 | Dustin | Decided to add a PVP element mode to my map |
| 21:03.22 | ArcanePariah | Triceron: Nice models, the ballistae looks awesome tbh |
| 21:03.55 | Triceron | thanks! |
| 21:04.12 | Triceron | I'm thinking of doing the 'Death' anims today |
| 21:04.12 | ArcanePariah | I'm assuming you working on stuff to recreate Wc2/Wc3? |
| 21:04.17 | Triceron | have em explode |
| 21:04.25 | Triceron | WC2 mostly, with a few touches of WC3 |
| 21:04.31 | ArcanePariah | Nice! |
| 21:04.40 | Triceron | but nothing like Night Elves or Tauren |
| 21:04.48 | Triceron | mostly WC2-centric |
| 21:05.08 | ArcanePariah | I've always wondered how those campaigns would look if redone today, both with real 3d models and also with decent AI |
| 21:06.32 | Triceron | I just wanna make an RPG-styled campaign, like Warcraft 3 missions |
| 21:06.53 | Triceron | and I prefer fantasy over sci fi for that |
| 21:07.46 | ArcanePariah | Oh nice. Yeah, RPG's always been more a fantasy thing, especially since the DnD was fantasy and basically the origins of RPGs (at least pen and paper ones) |
| 21:08.00 | ArcanePariah | DnD is like... 40 years old now? |
| 21:08.26 | Triceron | haha, probably |
| 21:08.31 | Triceron | yah, back int he 70's |
| 21:09.19 | Bommes | Depending on how much functionality they add to the whole Bnet map system maybe it will get possible to make an actual campaign with missions and stuff |
| 21:09.44 | Bommes | maybe they will even add transitioning between maps via triggers at some point |
| 21:10.19 | Triceron | I'd like them to implement more WC3 style systems too |
| 21:10.27 | Triceron | instead of trying to rework SC2 back into that |
| 21:11.26 | Triceron | but I'm mostly waiting on Blizzard Allstars to really start anything. I wanna use models from it so badly, I really hope they aren't going full-blown standalone with that. |
| 21:11.31 | ArcanePariah | Bommes: the map transition triggers are already there, the problem is they use relative file paths to reference the next map. In blizzard case, the maps are all packed into a mpq, but if you look inside, they are all in the same folder. And campaigns work right now, but only offline |
| 21:11.41 | JademusSreg | Weird. http://i.imgur.com/cj14g47.png |
| 21:12.20 | Triceron | oh that Alex Jones |
| 21:12.52 | Triceron | Infowars is like the Onion, cept serious |
| 21:12.53 | ArcanePariah | The issue is how do you reference another map on bnet to transition to, without exposing the server file system and also, how do you reference locked maps, when locking them right now makes them invisible to the editor whne looking at bnet |
| 21:13.47 | Bommes | yeah I'd imagine there are some problems, otherwise it would be already part of Bnet |
| 21:14.08 | Bommes | on the other hand, I'm sure you could find a way around that specific problem |
| 21:14.54 | ArcanePariah | True, but then it becomes a point of failure, a place to be exploited to unlock maps (even if it doesn't do anything right now, its about setting the bar high enough that most won't try) |
| 21:14.59 | Bommes | and there are other functionalities that are disabled as well currently (like playing video files), and I'm sure that is more an issue of not being able to control what videos users are playing over maps |
| 21:15.27 | ArcanePariah | Yeah... I doubt Blizzard wants to turn into a indirect filehost for porn flicks.... |
| 21:15.27 | Triceron | oh you can't play videos? |
| 21:15.32 | Triceron | I thought you could imbed them somehow |
| 21:15.44 | ArcanePariah | I think so, but.... idk |
| 21:15.54 | ArcanePariah | You can do it with dialogs I thought |
| 21:15.57 | Triceron | there was even that rickroll map someone made back in beta (I think it was beta) |
| 21:15.59 | Bommes | There are workarounds I think |
| 21:16.05 | Bommes | but no idea if they still work |
| 21:16.10 | Triceron | hmm |
| 21:16.17 | ArcanePariah | I do know flash files are blocked |
| 21:16.22 | Triceron | I guess you have to rely on ingame cinematics then |
| 21:16.28 | Bommes | I'm pretty sure the main trigger that you would use to play flash files is blocked |
| 21:16.54 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, and in game cinematics do have a trigger mode to put you in there, I haven't played with the cine editor much |
| 21:17.01 | Zolden | making porn with nova and kerrigan isn't that hard |
| 21:17.08 | ArcanePariah | lol |
| 21:17.08 | Zolden | maybe some wow modfels |
| 21:17.19 | Bommes | there are some relatively easy ways to play animated pictures, so in theory you should be able to make a video out of that |
| 21:17.20 | Triceron | make em extra shiny |
| 21:17.22 | Triceron | oiled up |
| 21:17.30 | Bommes | but importing all the pictures is annoying :D |
| 21:17.57 | Triceron | wellt eh game supports OGV right? |
| 21:18.06 | Triceron | make OGV as a texture |
| 21:18.09 | Triceron | stick that on a plane |
| 21:18.11 | ArcanePariah | Yes, ogv |
| 21:18.33 | ArcanePariah | is the file format ofall of the vids in game (like the WoL armory upgrades videos that show off what the upgrade does) |
| 21:20.12 | JademusSreg | Seriously though, outlaw birth and only allow government employees to reproduce? Stewox, there's no way that site is for real. |
| 21:21.00 | ArcanePariah | Kind of sad that is a suggestion for population control, given there is already a known solution |
| 21:21.12 | ArcanePariah | Namely, educate everyone, especially the women |
| 21:21.44 | ArcanePariah | My proof being: Compare birth rates of highly educated countries with less educated/lower literacy rate ones |
| 21:23.53 | Stewox | what do you think birth certificate is |
| 21:24.20 | Stewox | the person on the list signed onto's state's property |
| 21:24.39 | Stewox | but that is the deeper level of the conspiracy |
| 21:24.51 | Stewox | you need to know a lot more to understand that |
| 21:25.07 | Stewox | you're going in deep too fast, you need to know all the basic stuff |
| 21:25.20 | JademusSreg | How is this not a joke? "Rand Paul To Introduce Amendment Outlawing Birth, Exceptions For Government Employees" |
| 21:25.35 | Stewox | what ? |
| 21:25.39 | JademusSreg | I mean, really, that's absurd. No one would vote for that. |
| 21:25.42 | Stewox | that is probably |
| 21:26.07 | Stewox | Rand paul want's to outlaw obamacare exemptions for congress/govt agencies |
| 21:26.14 | JademusSreg | http://i.imgur.com/cj14g47.png |
| 21:26.17 | Stewox | i do not know where did you get that title |
| 21:26.33 | JademusSreg | Took a screenshot in case they covered up the evidence. |
| 21:27.26 | Stewox | i haven't seen that but they have corrected the issue now |
| 21:27.29 | Stewox | it's obamacare |
| 21:27.31 | Stewox | plus |
| 21:27.41 | Stewox | i remember this title |
| 21:27.48 | Stewox | it didn't say birth |
| 21:28.02 | Stewox | i was looking at the site half an hour ago |
| 21:29.06 | Triceron | http://www.buzzfeed.com/copyranter/13-brilliant-science-museum-billboards |
| 21:41.12 | Triceron | Argh, my death knight MAX file is corrupted :( |
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| 21:55.03 | Bommes | no backups? |
| 21:55.26 | Triceron | not that I can find right now |
| 21:55.35 | Triceron | backups are way too old |
| 21:55.57 | Triceron | pre startools unfortunately :( |
| 21:56.42 | Bommes | man, that sucks |
| 21:57.00 | Bommes | maybe there is some kind of common cause that corrupts max files that is easy to fix |
| 22:15.48 | Triceron | phew, at least I saved out my particle effects for the DK |
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| 23:08.31 | Dustin | why I cant I restrict attributes based on variant? |
| 23:08.36 | Dustin | thats stupid |
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