IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20130919

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03:01.52ThunderLordAnyone wana beta test a game tonight? not bug test but actually play
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04:54.45Daarawhat's the smallest size texture you can import into SC2?
04:54.48Daara16x16?
04:55.05Daaraor can you go lower?
04:56.56Daarawell 8x8 works
04:58.43Daara4x4 is lowest you can go with a .dds
04:58.52Daaraq.q
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06:19.50ObsceneDAT TREVOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
06:48.25DaaraWell I have it figured out :D
06:48.29Daarahttp://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/Daara/FemaleVariations_zpscd7cf153.jpg
06:48.31Daaraall 1 model
06:50.43Daara5 hair type variations, 4 cloak variations, 5 armor type variations, and tabard.  All can be shown or hidden via texture select by ID.
06:52.09Daaraif I knew of more than 18 texture declarations I could do more too
06:52.40ArcanePariahNice work
06:53.09Daaraonly takes like 90 bits of extra data to do show or hide each of those variations
06:53.25Daarayay for 4x4 alpha mask textures :D
07:11.45G0Aguys how do I make my timmer window wol like in hots?
07:15.16Daaraim not much of a trigger guy myself so i'm not sure
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07:25.00G0Alol http://media.blizzard.com/sc2/media/comics/comic-2011-10-01-large.jpg
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07:35.29proprietarysucksI'm trying to detect when units go idle
07:35.46proprietarysucksI have a unit which casts planet cracker, and when it's done casting, idle doesn't trigger
07:35.53proprietarysucksso the unit just sits there forever
07:36.12proprietarysuckswhat's a good way to push units forward, like for a tug map
07:37.00proprietarysucksright now I'm issuing attack-move order on create, and then again on idle. but like I said it doesn't work for some of these spells that are autocast.. it's like the unit is in some other state
07:38.58G0Awhats you even or loop for idle units?
07:39.02G0Aevent*
07:42.33proprietarysucksa unit becomes idle
07:42.55proprietarysucks'any unit becomes idle'
07:46.22G0Ahmm I had similar problem
07:48.37G0Ahmm actually I didnt have problem with autocasts and idle detection.
07:49.45G0Aallow movement with the ability and then you wont need to issue attack move again:D
08:23.17proprietarysucksit's already on allow movement
08:25.13proprietarysuckshttp://gigafileupload.com/download/022256141338727253.png
08:25.25proprietarysucksthose are the only changes to planet cracker ability
08:25.38proprietarysucksafk, pm if anyone can help, scrollback wil kill any answers
08:25.41proprietarysucksty dudes
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08:44.30Zolden_crapping connection ;/
08:45.16Zoldenhave curse finally decided to stop supporting mapster?
08:48.05Zoldenanyone's here?
08:48.08Zoldentwod?
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10:28.49gooosehow often can i execute an effect before i get an effect overflow error?
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10:30.24gooose<PROTECTED>
10:30.47A1wintest it
10:31.00gooose<PROTECTED>
10:31.12gooose<PROTECTED>
10:31.30A1win25 what?
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10:33.45gooose<PROTECTED>
10:35.00Kuekenyou can add a 0.0625 interval, it will extend the limit
10:35.13Kuekenlike 20 times 0, then 1 0.0625
10:35.26Kuekenafaik
10:35.50Kuekenbut I am pretty sure, the limit was 64 before, so they probably changed something
10:35.53gooose<PROTECTED>
10:36.48gooose<PROTECTED>
10:37.36Kuekenseems I have to do the Jade again
10:37.42KuekenWhats the design?
10:37.52gooose<PROTECTED>
10:38.06A1win(that's implementation, not the design)
10:38.36Kueken(It was probably typed before I asked about the design, though.)
10:38.54A1winit was a copy-paste from few lines above
10:39.03KuekenDamn.
10:39.52gooose<PROTECTED>
10:40.13KuekenOkay, gooose, describe what exactly your spell does, without any information about the implementation whatsoever.
10:40.38Kueken(Assuming we are talking about a spell.)
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10:41.52gooose<PROTECTED>
10:43.40KuekenI have no idea what your implementation looks like in detail, so I cannot really comment on that.
10:43.46gooose<PROTECTED>
10:43.48KuekenBut if it works now, great.
10:44.07Kuekenleaves Jade mode.
10:44.37Kuekendamn, always watching your punctuation and using upper case properly is hard xD
10:45.13A1win:P
10:45.15gooose<PROTECTED>
10:45.33gooose<PROTECTED>
10:45.53Kuekenperiod duration for first persistent?
10:46.19gooose<PROTECTED>
10:46.39gooose<PROTECTED>
10:46.53gooose<PROTECTED>
10:47.01Kuekenand the destroy persistent destroys all persistents, so they don't expire in a 0.25 interval as well
10:47.13gooose<PROTECTED>
10:47.26Kuekenevents for the actor?
10:47.39Kuekendid you add FromEffectTreeDescendant?
10:48.16gooose<PROTECTED>
10:48.27Kuekenok
10:48.35gooose<PROTECTED>
10:48.43gooose<PROTECTED>
10:49.40Kuekenyeah, I am pretty sure there are a lot of different ways to realize this
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11:32.02gooose<PROTECTED>
11:32.44Kuekenyou could use a mover site, but they are a pain to use
11:33.05Kuekenyou can also attach to an invisible model and increase its size over time
11:33.42Kuekenor you use GAx3, which provides neat support for easy usage of mover sites.
11:34.44gooose<PROTECTED>
11:34.47gooose<PROTECTED>
11:49.09Bommeswhat does GAx3 provide to improve them?
11:53.41BommesI think it's pretty easy to avoid mover sites altogether and just use missile units for everything that involves moving things
11:59.58Kuekenyou have easy api to move an actor from 1 attachment point to another
12:00.34Bommesah okay
12:00.37Bommesthats actually useful
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12:27.00A1wincan't hide the entire actor with set visibility 0?
12:28.08A1winopacity 0 still renders it, just with full transparency
12:28.26A1winvisibility 0 prevents it from being rendered at all
12:28.47A1win(visibility is either 0 or 1)
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12:32.47A1winhmm weird that the beams would be rendered like that...
12:33.18A1winI guess it's easier to "remove" part of the beam than make it rendered in full 3D
12:33.30A1winor something
12:34.06gooose<PROTECTED>
12:34.37A1winmm the beams are probably rendered in a different way than all the 3D models
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12:58.49Kuekenno time right now
12:58.55Kuekenremind me later, if I forget
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16:56.34G0Aduckies "Russian President Vladimir Putin says he may seek 4th presidential term in 2018." :D
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17:02.08duckiesyeah, nobody's surprised :D
17:02.52duckiesdamnit, I should have used this chance to practice sarcasm, curse on my duck bluntness!
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17:11.12DaaraFor those interested, I think I've come to about as close as one can get to WoW character customization with a single model.
17:11.15Daarahttp://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/Daara/FemaleVariations_zpscd7cf153.jpg
17:11.45DaaraUnless there are more texture declarations I don't know of, then I could do more.
17:13.05vailhello Daara
17:13.15Daarahey vail
17:13.31DaaraI'm kid of excited to work on my project again after figuring this out :D
17:13.40vaili see
17:13.43DaaraI can probably keep everything under 150mbs now.
17:13.51vailnice
17:14.22DaaraWell, that is until I add sound...
17:14.49DaaraGuess that depends on how small the .ogg converstions are.
17:15.37vaili see
17:18.06DaaraIf it really comes down to it, I can reduce a lot of the textures size, I may lose some quality but I could probably cut their filesize in half.
17:18.25DaaraYou really only notice it when you zoom in though.
17:24.54DaaraBack to class, be back in like 4 hours.
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17:52.05Stewoxanyone from Toronto here ?
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19:16.36MoonEaterjade
19:27.41DustinGuys
19:27.46DustinCheck out mapping heaven
19:27.47Dustinhttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/843426/2013-09-19%2014.22.56.jpg
19:28.13A1winheh
19:28.46A1winI have two monitors but I still tend to keep everything editor related on one :P irc and browser and stuff on the other
19:29.10DustinI must have 6 now!
19:29.32twkoldejukwhy some have a GTA5 map on his wall?
19:29.47DustinCause I needed some wal art in my office
19:30.15twkoldejukat least nice books you have there
19:30.43A1wintoo bad he never gets to read it because they're under the monitors
19:30.47A1win*them
19:31.00DustinOh, you mean my monitor lifters? Ya, I've read those each like 5 times
19:31.11Dustin:P
19:31.47A1winyou know they also have text inside them if you open them?
19:31.59DustinWait..what?
19:32.03DustinThey open?
19:32.09DustinOMG
19:32.22DustinThis changes everything!
19:52.44MoonEateru guys ever test a your map privatly and the loading screen shows full of players?
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20:03.31Zoldenis it just me or mapster finally destroyed?
20:04.06A1winwhat do you mean?
20:04.34Zoldeni mean, can you join it
20:04.35A1winworks for me, just very slowly
20:05.00Kuekensame thing here
20:05.12Zoldenstill maintanance for me, the whole day
20:05.46A1winmaybe there's some DNS problwm
20:05.48A1win*e
20:06.01A1winpoints you to wrong address
20:07.41Zoldenomg, it's connecting after a few F5's
20:08.07A1winsounds like a cache problem then :P
20:08.14Zoldenit's my only trace to the world of mapping when i'm away
20:09.09Zoldenso, a unit's name came to me: "bufferfly"
20:09.19Zoldenand I think it can be a real unit
20:09.27Zoldenand name speaks for itself
20:12.22ZoldenDustin: you know what
20:12.29Dustinsup
20:13.47ZoldenDustin: is there "Dick" first name in US like normal?
20:14.00Zoldenalso, I heard Dick as second name is also alright?
20:14.07Zoldenlike Dick Tracy or Philip Dick?
20:14.57MoonEatermy grandfather's name is dick
20:15.15twkoldejukDick Dick
20:15.45ZoldenMoonEater: btw, thanks for releasing the moon from your farm
20:15.55Zoldenso convenient at nights, everything is visible
20:16.09Zoldentwkoldejuk: yea, i guess someone is named like this for fun
20:16.22ZoldenDustin: I mean, is it because americnas like dicks?
20:16.30MoonEaterZolden use common not : i think ur quoting when u do
20:16.32DustinYes
20:16.38DustinDick is short of Richard
20:16.42Dustinshort for*
20:17.12Zoldensecond name has no short, it's Dick and nothing else
20:18.15Zoldenone can name his penis Dick
20:20.39Zoldenduckies: I just went away to pee, and heard lots of quacks from river direction... wasn't it you by any chance?
20:25.16twkoldejuk:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
20:26.21Zoldenhmm
20:28.10Zoldentwkoldejuk: any mapmaking activity?
20:28.36twkoldejukwell it was quite short and not really something meaning full enough
20:29.38Zoldenany mapmaking plans than?
20:30.08twkoldejuk*then
20:30.35Zolden:)
20:31.15twkoldejukplently, none for whom i have desire, enery to make it happen
20:31.56twkoldejukidk when will get it back working with current state
20:32.07Zolden;/
20:32.23Zoldenwant to become my mapmaking slave?
20:39.52twkoldejukwont happen since i cant acomplish anything
20:40.11twkoldejukbb
20:41.45MoonEaterZolden, yes u can be my map making slave
20:42.36Zoldenyou must discuss it with my mapmaking master
20:44.51MoonEaterlol
20:44.59MoonEateri could use more models...
20:45.01MoonEatersheet
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20:45.33Daarasup
20:48.31Zoldenhey Daara
20:48.55Zoldenany modelling discoveries?
20:50.45Daarajust this
20:50.51Daarahttp://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/Daara/FemaleVariations_zpscd7cf153.jpg
20:50.54Daara1 model
20:52.16DaaraUsing a 2 4x4 textures, one with no alpha, and one with an alpha to show and hide the mesh via texture declarations and texture select by id
20:53.09Daaraif i knew more than the 18 texture declarations I could do more varations for like 1kb per varation
20:56.37Zoldendoes it have spec/normal? :)
20:56.52Daaralol no
20:58.46Zolden;/
20:59.10Daarai just noticed that a lot of wow textures have their specular map already in the alpha channel
20:59.10Kuekenadd the color variation system zolden and me created :D
20:59.29MoonEateri duno why im off the bus
20:59.30Zoldenwhy not use inverted diffuse red channel for spec?
20:59.32MoonEaterthis scks
20:59.45Daarai would do that
20:59.48Daarabut i do team colors
20:59.55Daaraso i require a separate texture
21:00.06Daaraand i'm really trying to manage file size atm
21:00.26Zoldentea colors are not contradicting to specularity
21:01.00Daarai thought you said to use the alpha channel to do the specular?
21:01.02Zoldenyou don't need any additional textures, it's art tools
21:01.07Daaraif i'm doing team colors i can't do that
21:01.52Zoldenset siec map not bitmap, but color, set it wite, and you have spec...just set spec multiplier to 0.5
21:02.31Zoldenteam colors have nothing to do with specularity
21:02.48Zoldenjust try color as spec map, it's 10 sec
21:03.47Daarado i do anything with the fresnel?
21:03.53Zoldenand as Kueken said, there's also independent emissive tc u can use sometimes
21:04.10MoonEaterZolden u know anything about CSe?
21:04.15Zoldennot yet
21:04.27Zoldenonle color
21:04.59ZoldenMoonEater: almost nothing, what do you want?
21:05.16MoonEaterwondering if theres physics or anythong
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21:07.26Zoldenwhen we open physics-related models, they work
21:10.11Zoldenare there mapmakers from japan?
21:10.21Zoldenhave anyone ever saw one?
21:12.56Zoldenalso, i don't remember korean mapmakers, at least on mapster... are there any?
21:13.39Daaradoubtful they are all professionals :P
21:13.41A1winthey probably don't hang around on english sites
21:16.23Zoldenlooks like english language isn't too popular in asia
21:16.43A1winif you watch esports, almost all the koreans need a translator
21:18.48Zoldenyes, I saw the last one, the guy said like 5 words after mooing 30 seconds
21:19.06Zoldenan one of the 5 words was ok
21:19.09Daarawell, most of the kids who speak english will be seeking an education, not playing games :P
21:19.40Daarathere are tons of schools in korea japan india and thailand that teach in english
21:19.45Zoldengames was one of the sources of english learning for me btw
21:20.17Daarai'm sure it was, but for the most part the koreans don't need to bridge over and play with english speaking nations
21:20.19Zoldenbut yea, english learner and game players are't too intersecting
21:21.07Daarai know of 2 ppl i played WoW with that were fob and had horrible english, 6 years later it was pretty good
21:22.08Otixa_speeky englih
21:22.15Otixa_veri gud
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22:23.19Daarahow do you get the startools animation window so you can check off which animations you don't want?
22:26.55Daaranvm found it, type directly into the animation set and add your own :D
23:11.12DaaraBoring part of fixing model all 200 animations -_-
23:12.40Daaraat least i can get rid of a bunch
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23:53.34Daarathink i found the bone that causes all the stupid buggy animations
23:53.43DaaraSpineLow3 is what it's exported as

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