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| 00:49.21 | Obscene | Dont worry.... be haoy |
| 00:53.19 | Vail | hmm |
| 00:53.47 | Vail | how is GTAV? |
| 01:00.33 | Obscene | pretty good so far |
| 01:01.06 | Vail | thats good |
| 01:01.43 | Vail | did you follow the developers advice and not install the playdisc? |
| 01:09.14 | Obscene | I dont have the playstation one |
| 01:10.49 | Vail | no for xbox |
| 01:11.08 | Vail | the developers said not to install the play disc for best performance |
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| 01:55.15 | Teratron | ~seen jademussreg |
| 01:55.16 | purl | jademussreg <~jademus.s@c-76-123-235-103.hsd1.tn.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 1d 22h 19m 14s ago, saying: 'It's disruptive.'. |
| 02:06.28 | MoonEater | lawl |
| 02:06.45 | MoonEater | fell off buss |
| 02:46.34 | Teratron | mooneater |
| 02:46.41 | Teratron | i get errors that crash the game |
| 02:46.49 | Teratron | is that thread limit ? |
| 02:46.52 | MoonEater | whats the error say? |
| 02:46.55 | MoonEater | yes |
| 02:47.01 | MoonEater | cause ur not letting go of the threads |
| 02:47.02 | MoonEater | or |
| 02:47.08 | Teratron | generic object creation error |
| 02:47.10 | MoonEater | ur having a massive ammounts of units |
| 02:47.14 | MoonEater | in the region |
| 02:47.17 | Teratron | no, just a few |
| 02:47.26 | Teratron | like not more than 20 |
| 02:47.38 | MoonEater | then its a failure to drop them for some reason |
| 02:47.46 | Teratron | maybe not this |
| 02:47.52 | Teratron | maybe it's the damage code |
| 02:47.52 | MoonEater | the generic object creation error is usalty a data issue |
| 02:47.56 | MoonEater | the threads |
| 02:47.59 | MoonEater | is ur new code |
| 02:48.08 | MoonEater | somhow ur eating up alot of data |
| 02:48.10 | Teratron | the action code |
| 02:48.24 | MoonEater | it will say which function |
| 02:48.25 | Teratron | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.30 | MoonEater | nono |
| 02:48.42 | MoonEater | the threads is from the event happening to offten |
| 02:48.47 | Teratron | help me how to make the hotlava effect |
| 02:48.50 | MoonEater | its a "run away train" |
| 02:48.53 | Teratron | i do not know if that is correct |
| 02:49.04 | MoonEater | ?? |
| 02:49.15 | Teratron | the region deals damage |
| 02:49.24 | Teratron | to any unit except air |
| 02:49.31 | MoonEater | so |
| 02:49.33 | MoonEater | event |
| 02:49.35 | Teratron | i have set up Unit filter match already |
| 02:49.40 | MoonEater | unit enter region |
| 02:49.45 | MoonEater | condition would be unit is not air |
| 02:49.53 | MoonEater | the while loop condition is |
| 02:49.56 | MoonEater | while in region |
| 02:50.05 | MoonEater | the action for the while loop is dmg unit |
| 02:50.08 | MoonEater | and u need a wait time |
| 02:50.14 | MoonEater | of a second or half |
| 02:50.56 | Teratron | i know basics |
| 02:51.01 | Teratron | i know i need to make wait there |
| 02:51.11 | Teratron | that's obvious |
| 02:51.31 | Teratron | the point is |
| 02:51.37 | Teratron | the damage action is probably wrong |
| 02:51.44 | Teratron | because it doesn't work |
| 02:52.14 | MoonEater | first |
| 02:52.18 | MoonEater | make a text message |
| 02:52.32 | MoonEater | see if the units r triggering the while loop and making it to dammage |
| 02:52.39 | Teratron | okay |
| 02:52.41 | Teratron | kind of debug |
| 02:52.46 | MoonEater | exactly |
| 03:03.03 | Teratron | mooneater how do I know which trigger is causing crash |
| 03:03.19 | Teratron | because the game closes down |
| 03:03.24 | Teratron | i would like to see the console log |
| 03:03.33 | MoonEater | in preferances |
| 03:03.38 | MoonEater | under test document |
| 03:03.43 | MoonEater | turn on consol or w/e |
| 03:03.47 | MoonEater | look for the laggy stuff |
| 03:04.15 | Teratron | how do I see statistics of trigger usage real-time ? |
| 03:04.21 | Teratron | because, when i didn't had this region stuff |
| 03:04.32 | Teratron | i do have TONS of units being on one trigger, one event |
| 03:04.36 | MoonEater | [20:03] <MoonEater> in preferances [20:03] <MoonEater> under test document [20:03] <MoonEater> turn on consol or w/e |
| 03:05.04 | Teratron | Any unit => actions triggering unit , and i've never got errors before the region code |
| 03:05.17 | Teratron | i played like 10 games from start to end before |
| 03:06.36 | Teratron | i don't see this setting |
| 03:07.27 | MoonEater | preferances>test |
| 03:07.30 | MoonEater | check box |
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| 03:09.24 | Teratron | i enabled windowed mode and both debugging checkboxes |
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| 03:09.43 | ElectricPrism | Hey, can I create a custom dropdown in a game lobby? How would I do that |
| 03:10.01 | Teratron | I do not see any debug windows |
| 03:10.17 | Teratron | nor the usual thing that is up there |
| 03:10.26 | Teratron | the check box ingame is not present |
| 03:10.32 | Teratron | for dropdown console |
| 03:11.35 | Teratron | mooneater |
| 03:11.38 | Teratron | it doesn't work |
| 03:11.42 | Teratron | the game is bugged |
| 03:11.49 | Teratron | it doesn't show any debug stuff |
| 03:11.50 | MoonEater | what didnt work? |
| 03:11.55 | Teratron | options |
| 03:11.56 | MoonEater | need to be windowed |
| 03:11.59 | Teratron | im restarting this thing |
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| 03:13.20 | MoonEater | ElectricPrism |
| 03:13.22 | MoonEater | game variance |
| 03:13.26 | MoonEater | and game attributes |
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| 03:17.42 | Teratron | okay now it works, i had to minimize window a bit, to nudge it, and I also switched to arcade mode, not melee |
| 03:18.15 | ElectricPrism | @mooneater: can I then check the option using triggers? if so perfect! :) |
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| 03:18.33 | MoonEater | yes |
| 03:18.37 | MoonEater | use a map initialization |
| 03:18.42 | MoonEater | and a condition |
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| 03:25.02 | Teratron | mooneater i got something weird now |
| 03:25.53 | Teratron | Scri: Trigger Error in 'gt_DamageZone_Func': Could not get 'attacker' from parameter in 'UnitDamage' (value: 622#1) Near line 104 in gt_DamageZone_Func() in MapScript.galaxy |
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| 04:00.21 | Teratron | mooneater here ? |
| 04:00.26 | MoonEater | rawr |
| 04:00.28 | MoonEater | sorry |
| 04:00.53 | MoonEater | your damagezone function is not getting who the attacker is |
| 04:00.54 | MoonEater | somtimes |
| 04:01.00 | MoonEater | it cause u killed them via scripts |
| 04:01.51 | Teratron | what do i need ot do |
| 04:02.02 | MoonEater | identify |
| 04:02.09 | MoonEater | why attacker is missing |
| 04:02.15 | MoonEater | could be acouple reasons |
| 04:02.21 | MoonEater | then filter it out or fix it |
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| 04:03.44 | MoonEater | an odd one |
| 04:03.45 | MoonEater | is |
| 04:03.50 | MoonEater | player 16 is the system |
| 04:04.48 | Necromoni | Hey does anyone know the problem here |
| 04:04.52 | Necromoni | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/57843-custom-model-texture-not-showing-when-i-publish-game/#p1 |
| 04:05.21 | Necromoni | Textures show in testing, but not online when published? |
| 04:05.23 | MoonEater | ill loook at it in a sec |
| 04:05.28 | Necromoni | thanks |
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| 04:14.20 | Teratron | mooneater |
| 04:14.23 | Teratron | there is no attacker |
| 04:14.56 | Teratron | there is no attacker for this |
| 04:15.13 | Teratron | i want the unit to receive damage when in region |
| 04:16.04 | Necromoni | Unit Enters Region |
| 04:16.14 | Necromoni | deal dmgs |
| 04:16.51 | Teratron | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.36 | Teratron | doesn't work |
| 04:17.54 | MoonEater | triggering unit is dead |
| 04:17.56 | MoonEater | use a dummy unit |
| 04:18.05 | MoonEater | or |
| 04:18.07 | MoonEater | set life |
| 04:20.56 | Teratron | it is not dead |
| 04:21.28 | Necromoni | if that doesnt work |
| 04:21.33 | Necromoni | some of your filters are wrong |
| 04:21.36 | Teratron | if it was dead there would be no execution of this |
| 04:22.04 | Teratron | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.14 | Teratron | it works because I made debug messages |
| 04:22.18 | Teratron | stop assuming something |
| 04:22.24 | Necromoni | then bring everything |
| 04:22.27 | Necromoni | to the table |
| 04:22.31 | Teratron | what table ? |
| 04:22.34 | Necromoni | and no assumptions will be made |
| 04:22.47 | Necromoni | being a dick doesnt help your case |
| 04:22.48 | Teratron | you weren't here for the last 2 hours |
| 04:22.49 | Necromoni | either |
| 04:23.09 | Teratron | it's 3 lines of code im talkign about for the last 3 hours |
| 04:23.17 | Teratron | you weren't here |
| 04:23.40 | Teratron | i said it could be something with actions |
| 04:23.44 | Teratron | and he said "nooooO" |
| 04:23.48 | Teratron | now it is |
| 04:24.12 | Teratron | i knew I don't know actions, i just used triggering player because i had no idea what to use |
| 04:24.16 | Teratron | this function is stupid |
| 04:24.19 | Necromoni | oh u mean him |
| 04:24.26 | Necromoni | try setting |
| 04:24.33 | Necromoni | the 2nd triggering unit |
| 04:24.36 | Necromoni | to something else |
| 04:24.39 | Necromoni | like a hidden unit |
| 04:24.45 | Necromoni | maybe he cant dmg self? |
| 04:25.09 | Necromoni | or a random neutral unit u have lying around |
| 04:25.26 | Teratron | well that's what I've been thinking since the beginning but i have no idea what the hell blizzard wants me to choose here to make this work |
| 04:25.37 | Teratron | i have no units lying around |
| 04:25.40 | Necromoni | and you checked over the effect too? |
| 04:25.49 | Teratron | what effects |
| 04:25.59 | Teratron | i want this thing damaged with whatevr |
| 04:26.02 | Necromoni | "Burndown Damage" |
| 04:26.17 | Necromoni | Burndown damage is an effect right? |
| 04:26.25 | Teratron | im going to lose my mind on this it's been 3 hours (well i've been doing all kind of other stuff between but still |
| 04:26.34 | Teratron | I don't know |
| 04:26.40 | Teratron | i used damage effect |
| 04:26.42 | Teratron | anything |
| 04:26.45 | Teratron | i don't car |
| 04:26.47 | Teratron | care what |
| 04:26.47 | Necromoni | Burndown Damage should be a damage effect |
| 04:27.25 | Teratron | i want the damn unit receive damage from what-the-fuck-ever and it's not a nearby unit, it is BY FORCE |
| 04:27.35 | Necromoni | ya i get it |
| 04:27.36 | Teratron | there is no attacker |
| 04:27.46 | Teratron | imagine there was HOT LAVA and he got burned |
| 04:27.53 | Necromoni | if he enters a region it just takes damage |
| 04:27.55 | Teratron | except no lava texture |
| 04:28.15 | Necromoni | lemme try recreating it |
| 04:28.44 | Teratron | well good luck, i'm going to take a few minute coffee break so it doesn't damage my nervous system |
| 04:28.55 | Necromoni | btw if hes already in the region |
| 04:28.56 | Teratron | and breakfast |
| 04:29.00 | Necromoni | he can't enter the region |
| 04:29.16 | Teratron | i'll get here back in a moment, i'll take breakfast here brb |
| 04:32.46 | Necromoni | Works fine for me |
| 04:32.47 | Teratron | no not already |
| 04:33.05 | Teratron | the region is non-playable space in a map |
| 04:33.12 | Teratron | the cliff down |
| 04:33.16 | MoonEater | back |
| 04:33.17 | Teratron | and due to my mod |
| 04:33.24 | Teratron | units get down there |
| 04:33.37 | Teratron | but the AI makes them go back up like normal for some reason |
| 04:33.38 | Teratron | however |
| 04:33.43 | Teratron | buildings are stuck |
| 04:33.48 | Teratron | so i want to slowly kill them |
| 04:33.56 | Teratron | so they don't sit there |
| 04:34.02 | MoonEater | Necromoni, graphics maybe? |
| 04:34.40 | Necromoni | I made |
| 04:34.44 | Necromoni | An Effect - Damage |
| 04:34.49 | Teratron | the filter supposes to require ground or structure but exempts AIR |
| 04:34.51 | Necromoni | and a region |
| 04:34.54 | Necromoni | unit enters that region |
| 04:35.04 | Necromoni | do damage to triggering unit from triggering unit |
| 04:35.15 | Necromoni | whatever is different from that is your problem |
| 04:35.16 | Teratron | i think i made a little mistake, units don't actually need to be affected, only structures because they prevent defeat |
| 04:35.36 | Teratron | so the filter would require Structure kindof and Exempt Air + default exempts |
| 04:36.46 | MoonEater | im back |
| 04:36.56 | MoonEater | again |
| 04:37.11 | MoonEater | Necromoni graphics change them up see if that helps |
| 04:37.23 | Necromoni | ill tell the guy |
| 04:37.29 | Necromoni | thanks |
| 04:41.02 | Necromoni | "played at ultra, still the same" |
| 04:41.15 | Necromoni | maybe zolden knows the problem |
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| 05:53.56 | Teratron | hello |
| 05:53.57 | Teratron | anyone here |
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| 06:14.50 | Teratron | how can I make damage on unit work |
| 06:14.53 | Teratron | without attacker |
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| 06:16.18 | duckies | what do you mean? |
| 06:18.44 | duckies | you can damage unit through triggers if that's what you're asking |
| 06:44.55 | Teratron | yes duckies |
| 06:45.05 | Teratron | i don't know how to do that |
| 06:45.22 | Teratron | my effort have been without success |
| 06:45.35 | duckies | you could start by "damage" into search field for trigger editor |
| 06:45.46 | duckies | I know you can deal damage to unit through effect |
| 06:46.12 | duckies | you select effect which will deal damage and then set additional damage, which can be a variable |
| 06:46.59 | Teratron | The particular function you are referring to is precisely which does not work |
| 06:48.26 | Teratron | Scri: Trigger Error in 'gt_DamageZone_Func': Could not get 'attacker' from parameter in 'UnitDamage' (value: 622#1) Near line 104 in gt_DamageZone_Func() in MapScript.galaxy |
| 06:50.17 | Teratron | it is more complicated than that duckies |
| 06:50.52 | duckies | you could make unit damage itself or is that a problem? |
| 06:51.46 | Teratron | That is precisely the reason of the error |
| 06:52.29 | duckies | bizzare |
| 06:52.40 | duckies | does it do the same thing with valid attacker? |
| 06:52.55 | Teratron | there is no attacker |
| 06:53.10 | duckies | but what if you add one |
| 06:53.25 | Teratron | I do not want one |
| 06:53.47 | Teratron | I do not know what I need to do to make this work |
| 06:57.30 | duckies | I mean, it's the basics of debugging, add the thing it's missing to make sure it's that the thing missing that's causing trouble =D |
| 06:57.44 | duckies | cause I'd think that it's possible to make unit do damage to itself |
| 06:58.22 | duckies | worst case scenario you'd do "effect on unit from player" and change effect via catalogs |
| 06:58.44 | duckies | buut I can't open editor right now so I can't be specific. But I know that it's easy |
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| 07:48.15 | ElectricPrism | How would I change the build time for a unit using a trigger |
| 07:59.24 | ArcanePariah | Electric, you would need to use a set catalog function, you need to change the Cost - Time Use of the Train or Build ability that created the unit in question |
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| 09:15.11 | G0A | Damm I will miss the map nights this weekend too |
| 09:24.35 | turtles1 | What is maps night? |
| 09:33.13 | zenx | tomorrow |
| 09:33.18 | zenx | is gona be interesting day |
| 09:33.25 | zenx | im gona go to "psychology tests" |
| 09:36.35 | G0A | turtles1http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/57126-map-night-revived-eu-na/#p1 |
| 09:37.35 | zenx | I might or might not make it to the mapnight |
| 09:41.21 | turtles1 | OK, well at least I'm not too far out of the loop as it kicked off fairly recently |
| 09:41.51 | A1win | it's been on for ages |
| 09:42.00 | A1win | that's just a restart |
| 09:42.11 | turtles1 | currently banned from Bnet though. (logged in from a different computer and Bnet flipped it's shit for "suspicious activity!") |
| 09:43.05 | turtles1 | and you can't use a SEA game key to reactivate your account. Have to actually ring up their tech support |
| 09:43.47 | turtles1 | yeah, I knew about previous incarnations. Didn't realize it was rebooted |
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| 10:00.33 | ElectricPrism | Is there a reason why my Game Settings are greyed out in the pre game lobby? Did Blizzard change that :\ |
| 10:11.27 | ElectricPrism | An i set a default variant maybe that was it |
| 10:11.34 | ElectricPrism | maybe it disabled custom settings idk |
| 10:12.27 | duckies | so, zenx |
| 10:12.38 | duckies | lets play that chrono map on mn? :D |
| 10:13.01 | zenx | maybe |
| 10:15.26 | duckies | Though the better it looks on paper the more I'm prepared for it to be a sub-par disappointing not-well-thoughtout map D: |
| 10:16.01 | zenx | yea |
| 10:16.08 | zenx | I expecte it to be some a-move map |
| 10:17.24 | duckies | hopefully it'll live up to its promise |
| 10:18.38 | zenx | would be cool if it would be just fun |
| 10:18.43 | zenx | but that can be asking a lot too |
| 10:20.38 | duckies | ^^ |
| 10:25.21 | Bommes | ^^ |
| 10:25.38 | G0A | ^^^ |
| 10:25.49 | Bommes | fun is what you make out of consuming it |
| 10:25.56 | Bommes | if you don't have fun that's your own fault!!!1 |
| 10:34.40 | ElectricPrism | Did SC2 disable host adjusting settings in the lobby? |
| 10:35.34 | duckies | are you playing private or public game? |
| 10:35.58 | ElectricPrism | pub |
| 10:36.04 | duckies | try private |
| 10:36.22 | duckies | pub was locked for as long as I remeber |
| 10:36.30 | ElectricPrism | that sucks :\ |
| 10:36.35 | ElectricPrism | i c |
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| 10:36.58 | Kueken | shark |
| 10:37.23 | duckies | ketchup |
| 10:37.24 | ElectricPrism | thx btw |
| 10:37.27 | duckies | np |
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| 10:46.33 | zenx | are you mocking me! |
| 10:46.37 | zenx | I still have no ketchup |
| 10:47.37 | duckies | kukuku |
| 10:55.52 | zenx | http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/625217 pretty cool |
| 10:59.27 | ElectricPrism | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D_QKY0_Bxk |
| 11:04.07 | G0A | zenx n1 |
| 11:23.06 | A1win | why's she shocking him while his heart is already stopped D: |
| 11:39.56 | Repo | cpme: 03thenarden * r4 (114 files in 8 directories): Exported Map file to folder. |
| 11:39.56 | Repo | Also done some Stuff that I don't remember... |
| 11:43.06 | A1win | hmm I don't think I want debuffs for this game after all |
| 11:43.33 | A1win | but is it enough to only have effects that either do damage or knock the ship back or move it in some other way |
| 11:46.07 | Bommes | this Mugen245 creates one topic after the other each with a question that makes absolutely no sense, but he never clears it up even after people ask |
| 11:46.18 | Bommes | so cruel |
| 11:46.35 | Kueken | yep, noticed |
| 11:49.35 | duckies | I'm sure in his head it made perfect sense |
| 11:49.58 | Kueken | like the counter-clockwise boolean |
| 11:54.08 | duckies | at least this time he gave us a hint |
| 11:54.25 | duckies | "Or is there a way to remake Runes the same as WC3?" |
| 12:02.16 | zenx | that guy is my idol |
| 12:02.37 | zenx | from what I remember runes were something you could pick up just by clicking them with unit |
| 12:02.44 | zenx | and they could do something like "heal nearbvy units" |
| 12:03.21 | Kueken | there is stuff like that in the SC2 campaign already :) |
| 12:03.25 | zenx | somehow I feel like he wouldnt understand even if someone tried explaining |
| 12:04.44 | Kueken | great that the rest of the question doesn't seem to be related to the mechanics of these runes in any way |
| 12:05.15 | Kueken | however the formulation indicates it is basically the same issue |
| 12:31.53 | zenx | btw |
| 12:32.04 | zenx | are people happy with just the auction house gone? |
| 12:32.16 | zenx | I cant believe how many people are lke "now its perfect" |
| 12:40.01 | Kueken | if the loot 2.0 they promise is rewarding and drops at a decent rate, that would be a major step |
| 12:40.19 | duckies | give them a break, they've been in misery for far too long, they need a scapegoat |
| 12:40.21 | Kueken | and they planned on adding more endgame content, adressing another big issue |
| 12:40.47 | Kueken | we will see how it works out, but it doesn't sound bad in my ears |
| 12:41.53 | duckies | ah was one of major flaws, but it wasn't the only one, but removval of ah means that new guy isn't afraid of changes, so it's more than just removval, it's a promise of a brighter future |
| 12:42.15 | duckies | so yay |
| 12:42.30 | duckies | though one has to wonder how well trade |
| 12:45.36 | A1win | mmh I need a better layout for my UI, I only need one bar at the bottom... |
| 12:46.28 | A1win | that green bar and that "FTL" leaderboard should be combined into one bar stack at the top middle, but then my bottom UI becomes unbalanced :E http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a68/SC2%202013-09-17%2016-03-36-42.jpg |
| 12:53.12 | A1win | damn, if I use a bar stack where the player's own bar is always at the top, I'll have to sort the scoreboard separately for each player o: |
| 12:54.00 | A1win | err... or I guess keep the sorting in one array and just read it and update display for each player <.< |
| 12:55.23 | A1win | hmmh do I really want a stack of 6 bars at the top center of the screen... |
| 12:55.34 | A1win | I guess it'd be fine if they're thin enough |
| 12:56.06 | A1win | or dunno, maybe it's fine in the bottom right, just change it to use bars instead of text |
| 12:58.36 | Bommes | how about sticking everything player related to the right bottom? the blue bar and the ability icons |
| 12:58.39 | Bommes | maybe that works |
| 12:58.57 | Bommes | if you make the ftl and green bar things on top |
| 12:59.04 | Bommes | and minimap stays left bot |
| 12:59.10 | A1win | mmh |
| 12:59.16 | A1win | just not sure if I want to put them at the top |
| 12:59.20 | A1win | they take quite a lot of space |
| 13:00.15 | Bommes | why don't you want to leave it in the right corner? |
| 13:00.31 | Bommes | you could expand that with bars and leave everything else as it is |
| 13:00.32 | A1win | I do :P |
| 13:00.34 | Bommes | maybe center the blue bar |
| 13:00.42 | Bommes | oh right |
| 13:00.45 | Bommes | you already said that :D fine |
| 13:00.55 | A1win | the action bar + shields bar is the problem |
| 13:01.08 | A1win | hmm what if shields is above minimap |
| 13:01.12 | Bommes | shield bar doesn't look good when its centered? below or above the action bar |
| 13:01.22 | Bommes | maybe with a different scale |
| 13:01.23 | A1win | it'd look too "tall" |
| 13:01.33 | A1win | yeah I mean the same width as minimap |
| 13:01.40 | A1win | let's try... |
| 13:01.48 | Dustin | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a68/SC2%202013-09-17%2016-03-36-42.jpg <-- I actuall like how it is there |
| 13:01.59 | A1win | Dustin, yeah but I need to get rid of that green bar |
| 13:02.07 | A1win | it's useless because it shows same info as the FTL track |
| 13:02.14 | Dustin | Ahhh gotcha |
| 13:02.33 | Dustin | What if you turn it into a weapon heat bar, do your weapons ever overheat? |
| 13:02.37 | Bommes | what exactly is the purpose of the action bar? the bottom one is active abilities I guess? What does the top one indicate? |
| 13:02.53 | A1win | Dustin, no I don't have any other stats atm |
| 13:03.07 | A1win | but yeah one option is to come up with another stat just to make the UI balanced :P |
| 13:03.16 | Bommes | lol |
| 13:03.25 | A1win | the top one is weapon equipping bar, it only shows when you are landed on a station |
| 13:03.27 | Dustin | hehe |
| 13:04.25 | Bommes | Hmm, if it's usually hidden I think it could work to put the shield bar below the ability bar |
| 13:04.42 | Bommes | and it would get only too tall when you are at the base, which should be only for a brief amount of time |
| 13:04.51 | Bommes | but dunno |
| 13:05.26 | Dustin | Yeah That's the option Id go with if you dont wanna add another stat |
| 13:05.32 | A1win | it's still very tall when there is nothing to balance it out at the sides |
| 13:05.48 | Bommes | the shield bar could extend a bit further to both sides |
| 13:06.00 | Bommes | still be centered but just wider than the ability bar |
| 13:06.27 | Bommes | but again, it might not look good :) just throwing some ideas around |
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| 13:06.32 | A1win | mm... |
| 13:06.52 | A1win | yeah doesn't really look that great to have the shield bar above minimap either |
| 13:07.33 | zenx | just put the bar under ftl board |
| 13:07.41 | A1win | one more stat wouldn't hurt if it's actually something meaningful |
| 13:08.35 | zenx | is that gona be called battle planets 2? |
| 13:08.44 | A1win | :P |
| 13:09.39 | zenx | every time I see it Im thinking of battle planets |
| 13:12.27 | A1win | maybe that goes away once I have some more unique art style for this |
| 13:13.23 | A1win | <.< that doesn't look good either: http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a68/SC2%202013-09-18%2016-12-34-18.jpg |
| 13:13.54 | A1win | though that ftl board will be wider but hmmh |
| 13:14.16 | Dustin | Ya that's a bad spot for the shields |
| 13:14.48 | A1win | also tried shields at top center but that was bad too |
| 13:15.46 | A1win | the best option so far is simply this: http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a68/SC2%202013-09-18%2016-15-22-38.jpg |
| 13:16.52 | zenx | you can put the blue bar on top of the icons |
| 13:17.03 | zenx | thats probly even better |
| 13:17.12 | A1win | nah, that makes it look too tall |
| 13:17.22 | A1win | because it is in the center |
| 13:17.54 | zenx | all the little things ^^ |
| 13:18.02 | zenx | but true it kinda looks off |
| 13:18.26 | Dustin | Why dont you move the weapon's over the minimap? |
| 13:18.32 | Dustin | And center the shields |
| 13:18.35 | A1win | hmmf |
| 13:18.49 | zenx | I want weapons to be middle imo |
| 13:18.52 | Dustin | or weapons top center and shields bottom center might be ok |
| 13:19.08 | zenx | or I dunno |
| 13:19.11 | zenx | what does it even matter |
| 13:19.26 | Dustin | Id hate to be on the WoW UI team |
| 13:19.30 | A1win | one at top and one at bottom looked weird |
| 13:19.35 | Dustin | They have a hard job lol |
| 13:19.36 | A1win | hehe |
| 13:21.13 | A1win | I think I want the weapons in the middle since they also show cooldowns and stuff on them, needs to be easily accessible |
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| 13:23.16 | Zolden | hello mapmakermen |
| 13:31.30 | turtles1 | If I have a dialog with, say, 140 buttons moving around I'm not going to have to start worrying about performance issues am I? |
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| 13:31.51 | turtles1 | Or should I just not be worrying about this kind of stuff? |
| 13:32.09 | turtles1 | It just seems like a lot |
| 13:32.27 | A1win | nah that sounds fine |
| 13:32.40 | A1win | at 1000-10000 or so I'd test it first before assuming it'll work |
| 13:32.50 | A1win | I don't think dialogs eat up a lot of performance |
| 13:33.36 | turtles1 | thanks |
| 13:34.38 | A1win | though depends how they are moved, if you calculate insane math for every move operation then maybe it'll be a bit bad ;p |
| 13:34.58 | turtles1 | 100 or so static |
| 13:35.35 | turtles1 | the other 40 or so I will have sliding around and becoming transparent or visible |
| 13:35.36 | Zolden | why do you need so much? |
| 13:35.39 | Zolden | drawing graphs? |
| 13:36.00 | Zolden | or making 2d platformer? |
| 13:36.03 | turtles1 | It's a build order tester with an inbuilt editor |
| 13:36.30 | turtles1 | so that it 75 buttons for all the units/upgrades for any given race |
| 13:36.42 | turtles1 | and a max of about 40 steps in a build order |
| 13:36.53 | turtles1 | + assorted buttons for editing |
| 13:39.44 | duckies | hey zolden. say, making a cool beam that looks like constantly moving chain is more a matter of making approporiate texture? |
| 13:41.07 | Zolden | duckies: guess, we can use any circle texture |
| 13:41.13 | Zolden | texture of a circle |
| 13:41.36 | duckies | oh, that woulld work? |
| 13:41.44 | Zolden | yea |
| 13:42.19 | Zolden | hitler also doubted that growing a square moustache will help to conquer 1/2 of europe |
| 13:43.48 | duckies | so, to have an inifinite-constantly-in-motion-chain beam I'd just need to replace say, sentrys beam texture with random circle texture? |
| 13:47.49 | Zolden | it will require a special configuration of the material |
| 13:48.46 | duckies | so it'll be a custom, imported model |
| 13:48.47 | Zolden | we will need to cycle the circle along the beam, animate its movement, and also it may require creating a second perpendicular beam with 1/2 fase shift to link circles in a chain |
| 13:49.11 | Zolden | *phase |
| 13:49.33 | duckies | okay, is that difficult/timeconsuming? |
| 13:49.39 | Zolden | yea, it will be custom, most probably zolden made, imported model |
| 13:49.49 | Zolden | it's easy, 5 min consuming |
| 13:50.10 | Zolden | I even made one 3 days ago |
| 13:50.20 | duckies | that is wonderful news |
| 13:50.21 | Zolden | but i'll be back in only 2-3 weeks |
| 13:50.53 | Zolden | or earlier if it will start snowing |
| 13:50.55 | Zolden | but weather is kind |
| 13:51.02 | duckies | I see, I'll remind you this conversation in 2-3 weeks then, is that okay with you? |
| 13:51.16 | Zolden | yea |
| 13:51.32 | duckies | hm, I hate it when I'm acting all formal, why do I do that? |
| 13:52.08 | duckies | stares at sky pondering about the essence of duck |
| 13:52.26 | Zolden | it brings order |
| 13:52.43 | Zolden | people like order in matters they care about (ducks seemingly too) |
| 13:53.18 | Zolden | duckies: I've read a great book yesterday btw, could recommend |
| 13:53.25 | Zolden | japan guy wrote it |
| 13:53.39 | duckies | yeah, tell me |
| 13:53.41 | Zolden | never read japanese b4, and it was nice |
| 13:54.03 | Zolden | Кобо Абэ, "Жещина в песках" |
| 13:55.01 | duckies | added to list, thanks |
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| 13:58.58 | duckies | it looks nice, I might read it sooner than I thought |
| 13:59.11 | duckies | anyways, ducks awaaaaay! |
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| 16:35.15 | A1win | anyone up for a playtest? |
| 16:35.40 | Fate_ | me |
| 16:35.43 | Fate_ | me memememe |
| 16:37.21 | A1win | alright |
| 16:37.26 | A1win | more would be nice |
| 16:37.47 | Fate_ | u got to hlt some ppl :) |
| 16:38.37 | twodfie | im available for fun |
| 16:38.50 | twodfie | if still requiresdk |
| 16:38.56 | A1win | we're on EU |
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| 16:39.34 | twodfie | 1.5 min |
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| 16:46.00 | Fate__ | sry A1win my system frose |
| 16:46.22 | A1win | alright |
| 16:46.40 | G0A | hey I am here too |
| 16:46.47 | G0A | still have slot for me? |
| 16:46.50 | A1win | yeah |
| 16:46.52 | A1win | and 2 more |
| 16:47.02 | G0A | okey logged in |
| 16:47.27 | A1win | Fate__, getting back? |
| 16:47.44 | Fate__ | yes wait a min pls |
| 16:51.25 | A1win | k starting |
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| 16:56.45 | A1win | weird bugs :x |
| 16:56.50 | G0A | hmm bnet delay is quite noticeable |
| 16:57.03 | A1win | yeah, can't help that :< |
| 16:57.15 | A1win | just need to make it easier to control somehow |
| 16:57.19 | G0A | btw I had no idea what I was picking up and what it is for |
| 16:57.33 | A1win | it's the victory condition, the UI isn't very good yet |
| 16:57.55 | G0A | then what is for shooting each other? |
| 16:58.12 | A1win | if you shoot at a player long enough, they throw out the stuff they've collected |
| 16:58.15 | A1win | some of it that is |
| 16:58.33 | G0A | so its camp to win game:D |
| 16:58.42 | A1win | camp? |
| 16:59.07 | G0A | did you play any fps game? |
| 16:59.17 | A1win | yeah I know what it means |
| 16:59.27 | A1win | but what does it got to do with this? |
| 16:59.35 | G0A | there isnt much motive to fight... |
| 16:59.55 | G0A | I think you will be better off if you dont attack anybody |
| 17:00.11 | A1win | hmmh? |
| 17:00.14 | G0A | or if you attack you will try to attack risk free |
| 17:00.38 | G0A | or you do loose stuff when you are shot? |
| 17:00.44 | A1win | well atm it seems the green stuff spawns too fast so it's better to just fly around collecting it |
| 17:00.53 | A1win | that's what I just said |
| 17:01.11 | A1win | if you take damage, you drop some of the victory points |
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| 17:02.27 | MoonEater | hol |
| 17:04.32 | MoonEater | Anyone out there? |
| 17:04.48 | G0A | nope |
| 17:05.20 | A1win | mmh haven't figured that bug out, so weird D: |
| 17:05.30 | A1win | the game loop just somehow got stuck |
| 17:05.47 | A1win | by the looks of it, it happened when someone shot me while I had reflective shield on |
| 17:06.46 | G0A | didnt you reached action per trigger limit? |
| 17:07.00 | A1win | huh? |
| 17:07.17 | A1win | what's that ;p |
| 17:07.24 | MoonEater | u can put an overlo limit |
| 17:07.27 | MoonEater | flow* |
| 17:07.36 | MoonEater | put a hard stop on it |
| 17:07.52 | MoonEater | its sloppy tho |
| 17:08.00 | A1win | no idea what you're talking about |
| 17:08.16 | MoonEater | well if its a trigger and it gets stuck in an endless loop |
| 17:08.22 | MoonEater | u can make a second trigger wathc |
| 17:08.25 | MoonEater | that trigger |
| 17:08.29 | MoonEater | and make sure it dies |
| 17:08.31 | A1win | it'd give a script execution took too long error |
| 17:08.51 | A1win | there were no errors so I'm a bit confused o: |
| 17:09.07 | MoonEater | check the adv run time in debugger |
| 17:09.14 | A1win | it was on multiplayer |
| 17:09.26 | A1win | I guess I'll try to reproduce it... |
| 17:12.35 | MoonEater | u can run debugger on multiplayer |
| 17:12.37 | A1win | haha |
| 17:12.40 | A1win | divide by zero |
| 17:12.49 | A1win | wonder why it didn't show on bnet |
| 17:12.52 | MoonEater | assuming your network is decent it will only lag ur client |
| 17:17.18 | A1win | just a stupid bug with trying to divide with zero mass |
| 17:21.13 | MoonEater | lolz |
| 17:24.22 | A1win | lag felt very bad, not sure if it's always that bad or if it depends on whoever has the most latency |
| 17:24.42 | A1win | I guess I need more homing to the weapons ;p |
| 17:24.57 | A1win | ...or any at all, that is |
| 17:25.42 | MoonEater | lol did u turn on iggnore errors |
| 17:25.45 | MoonEater | in map settings |
| 17:25.51 | A1win | hmm actually I guess it feels worse now that I use UI coordinates to get the aiming angle |
| 17:25.54 | A1win | no |
| 17:26.08 | A1win | it was on by default and I took it off |
| 17:26.32 | MoonEater | and it still didnt show the divide by zero? |
| 17:26.37 | A1win | mm |
| 17:26.53 | A1win | or maybe I just didn't notice |
| 17:27.07 | A1win | though no one else mentioned it either |
| 17:27.10 | A1win | so probably not |
| 17:27.37 | MoonEater | i get like misplaced unit error and i get pissed cause it doesnt give the x,y ofthe unit |
| 17:27.48 | MoonEater | and i have 1000 wall units |
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| 17:33.47 | A1win | I think I just set the gravity too high |
| 17:33.56 | A1win | it felt better before because it was easier to control the ship... |
| 17:35.38 | A1win | hmm I should probably just make gravity affects ships less than projectiles |
| 17:35.58 | MoonEater | u should put some commands in game |
| 17:36.01 | MoonEater | and survey the players |
| 17:36.10 | MoonEater | as u adjust stats |
| 17:37.05 | A1win | yeah a LOT easier to control the ship now :x |
| 17:44.00 | Dustin | A1win, I think we need to test today :D |
| 17:44.23 | A1win | mm could do, we just had a test but it went horribly wrong |
| 17:45.12 | A1win | when laser projectile tried to bounce from a reflective shield, it tried to divide by zero (the projectile's mass) |
| 17:45.17 | A1win | and the whole thing stopped ;p |
| 17:48.36 | Dustin | lol awesome |
| 17:48.44 | Dustin | I love divide by 0 bugs |
| 17:49.24 | A1win | the lasers normally didn't bounce at all, but the reflective shield enabled bounce for them |
| 17:49.31 | A1win | so I hadn't noticed it before |
| 17:49.55 | A1win | other projectiles have mass so they worked fine in tests |
| 17:50.04 | A1win | well... *the* other projectile |
| 17:50.04 | A1win | :P |
| 17:50.09 | A1win | still only got two of them |
| 17:53.29 | Dustin | hehe nice |
| 17:54.35 | A1win | this game mode needs some refining, was way too random and uninteractive |
| 17:55.03 | A1win | probably should display where items are going to spawn in advance so that players can get there and fight for it before it spawns |
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| 18:04.30 | Zolden | twod |
| 18:04.58 | twodfie | nigga nigga nigga |
| 18:05.16 | Zolden | have you ever tried to create a beam? |
| 18:06.20 | twodfie | nope |
| 18:09.03 | MoonEater | lol... |
| 18:09.16 | MoonEater | Zolden |
| 18:09.19 | MoonEater | i noticed |
| 18:09.25 | MoonEater | theres not very many house models |
| 18:09.54 | twodfie | cha |
| 18:09.54 | twodfie | @ |
| 18:09.55 | twodfie | $\Ew |
| 18:09.55 | twodfie | \GT |
| 18:09.55 | twodfie | AS\ |
| 18:24.59 | MoonEater | going home class is over |
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| 18:30.08 | zenx_ | duckies: entertain me pls |
| 18:30.30 | zenx_ | maybe its time for the "boring video" |
| 18:30.36 | zenx_ | I promised to show on a boring day |
| 18:33.53 | duckies | ! |
| 18:33.56 | duckies | I almost forgot |
| 18:34.01 | duckies | that chrono rpg |
| 18:34.38 | zenx_ | ? |
| 18:37.40 | zenx_ | well cool story bro |
| 18:37.43 | duckies | the hell, he didn't upload it anywhere |
| 18:38.14 | zenx_ | why would you assume he has? |
| 18:38.18 | zenx_ | its only 60% done |
| 18:38.29 | zenx_ | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/player-zone/map-feedback/57855-chrono-trigger-elite-rpg/#p2 |
| 18:38.42 | duckies | cause lost of ppl post unfinished crap nowadays |
| 18:39.02 | duckies | under pretense of gathering feedback |
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| 18:39.21 | duckies | why would he make a topic in map feedback section? |
| 18:39.35 | zenx_ | dunno |
| 18:39.42 | mille25 | hi |
| 18:39.50 | duckies | "I am posting this now to get some feedback from players" do we post feedback on .. his written description of map? |
| 18:39.53 | duckies | hi |
| 18:39.58 | zenx_ | feedback/project workplace is kinda of samething anyway |
| 18:40.25 | zenx_ | but yea |
| 18:40.37 | zenx_ | its silly to ask feedback when you practically show nothing at all |
| 18:40.42 | zenx_ | he said he would add pictures thou... |
| 18:40.45 | zenx_ | so until then,... |
| 18:41.09 | duckies | I hoped he'd have something playable, otherwise it's all just empty words for another project that will get stuck in dev. hell and die as it's maker surrenders on it |
| 18:42.30 | zenx_ | well if that happens it probly wasnth that great anyway |
| 18:42.32 | duckies | I can't stand this teasing, though his actions are understandable too, he probaly exausted his enthusasm long ago and now hopes to gain some excitement from replies |
| 18:43.00 | zenx_ | not much of a tease when he shows NOTHING :D |
| 18:43.07 | mille25 | what project are you guys talking about? |
| 18:43.17 | duckies | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/player-zone/map-feedback/57855-chrono-trigger-elite-rpg/#p1 |
| 18:43.18 | zenx_ | chrono trigger RPG |
| 18:43.33 | zenx_ | I guess it shows how epic the original game is |
| 18:43.42 | zenx_ | you wish for something awesome |
| 18:43.52 | zenx_ | have you played chrono cross? the sequel |
| 18:44.05 | zenx_ | I think it was complete garbage, didnt even play it all the way trough |
| 18:44.22 | duckies | yea, with all those features he listed (100 unique items, 75 diff enemies, bosses) it really looks like it won't come out |
| 18:44.52 | duckies | didn't play it, didn't hear anything encouraging about it either |
| 18:45.57 | zenx_ | if you talk about such big number the quality gona suffer |
| 18:46.00 | zenx_ | can it stil lbe good? |
| 18:46.10 | zenx_ | I suppose people can be happy with gathering stuff anyway |
| 18:46.15 | zenx_ | even thou they might be simple upgrades |
| 18:47.02 | duckies | well, you can talk about big numbers, but only after you've made all the work.. |
| 18:47.14 | duckies | otherwise it just adds to my melancholy |
| 18:47.16 | duckies | =/ |
| 18:47.23 | duckies | meh, I'll go post something nice |
| 18:47.31 | zenx_ | you should indeed |
| 18:47.39 | zenx_ | he has been waiting whole day for people to post there |
| 18:47.46 | zenx_ | only I was brave enough to do so |
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| 18:57.49 | Fate__ | how do i make a missle hit in a random radius of 1? |
| 19:09.42 | ArcanePariah | In, data, you can't really, but with triggers, simpyl run the the launch missle effect, and pick the effect target to be a random point in region of radius 1 |
| 19:10.03 | Fate__ | -.- |
| 19:10.19 | Fate__ | i have do figurw out a way in data |
| 19:11.13 | duckies | well, then you specify a bunch of offsets in persistent and pick random |
| 19:11.14 | Bommes | Hmm, the current HumbleBundle is pretty good |
| 19:12.35 | ArcanePariah | Data can not do random values very well, it is designed to do static relationships. The closest workaround I can sugguest is to have the effect create a persistant at the target, with the random offset flag set and provide a large (up to 30) random offsets within a radius 1. Then have said persistant run the launch missle effect, with source location as the target, and target unit as the caster |
| 19:13.07 | ArcanePariah | So the persistant will cause the launch missle effect to launch from the original caster and towards it self, which is a random spot |
| 19:13.23 | ArcanePariah | The other possibility is manipulating the mover |
| 19:13.49 | ArcanePariah | I think the mover can do the job, but I do not entirely understand it, but it can do it (See Hurricane Missles for an example) |
| 19:14.21 | ArcanePariah | Basically you will need to modify the mover so it doesn't launch and move towards the target, or if it does, let it wobble and move in an inaccurate fashion |
| 19:16.06 | zenx_ | god damn |
| 19:16.09 | zenx_ | why wont you give a link |
| 19:16.15 | zenx_ | if you say humble bundle is good |
| 19:16.22 | zenx_ | its all in the details |
| 19:16.23 | ArcanePariah | Gotta play with the missle orientation and its acceleration, make it fire off in slighlty randomized directions and restrict how fast it can turn, and also set its time in flight so it dies if it misses |
| 19:16.27 | zenx_ | details people!!! |
| 19:16.32 | ArcanePariah | Pfft |
| 19:16.32 | Bommes | https://www.humblebundle.com |
| 19:17.20 | zenx_ | wow really good indeed |
| 19:17.42 | zenx_ | well im interested in 4 games |
| 19:17.49 | zenx_ | for 5$ it would be good |
| 19:17.51 | Bommes | ArcanePariah: Movers shouldn't effect the impact point of missiles I think, unless they timout while they still travel or something |
| 19:18.46 | Bommes | what do you need the random impact point for? what kind of missile is it? |
| 19:19.02 | Fate__ | mortar |
| 19:20.37 | ArcanePariah | Bommes: Your right, I thought hurricane missles had the movers randomized the impact, but they don't, the use a persistent with a large list of offsets to create the impact randomziation |
| 19:20.56 | Bommes | yeah that's the only data method I know as well |
| 19:21.36 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, data flat out can not do dynamic stuff like true randomization, it is meant to be static and thus precompiled, instead of dyanmically interpreted at runtime |
| 19:22.06 | Bommes | yeah, at least all the Effects data which determines everything that happens in the game logic |
| 19:22.19 | Fate__ | uff |
| 19:22.20 | Bommes | for actors there are some randomization options |
| 19:22.32 | Fate__ | sounds like it will take me some time to figure that out |
| 19:22.37 | Bommes | in terms of events and site operations |
| 19:23.45 | zenx_ | YES |
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| 19:23.49 | zenx_ | I GOT MONEY IN PAYPAL |
| 19:23.57 | zenx_ | gona buy the humbe bundle for first time ^^ |
| 19:23.58 | Dustin | oh shit they added more games to the bundle |
| 19:24.31 | Bommes | I was so sad that they added Bastion and Limbo since I already own them and the bundle was perfect for me before that |
| 19:24.38 | Bommes | but oh well, still bought it ;) |
| 19:24.48 | Bommes | "bought" |
| 19:25.27 | ArcanePariah | Bommes: True, but that is a consequence of the actor system being asynchronous, meaning what it shows has 0 bearing or really even relationship to game state. The developer notes explicitly note this, saying they do not depend on it to be accurate at all and nothing the actor system returns in terms of info can be trusted |
| 19:25.51 | zenx_ | Bommes: how you get steam key for those? |
| 19:25.56 | zenx_ | it says you can get steam |
| 19:25.58 | zenx_ | but |
| 19:25.59 | zenx_ | how |
| 19:26.08 | Bommes | you get a link to "your" game page |
| 19:26.12 | Bommes | there you can download them separately |
| 19:26.22 | Bommes | and there is also something that you can click to get your steam keys |
| 19:26.30 | Bommes | a button or something |
| 19:27.41 | ArcanePariah | Unfortunetely, it leads to some ugly hacks, like how the visual effect and actual effect of things like collosus weapons have to interact, the actual beam is behind the actual damage effect, so blizzard had to use a persistant to delay the damage effect, but since this happens after the search for damge is finished, it leads to contridictory situations (Stalkers blink right before beam hits,... |
| 19:27.43 | ArcanePariah | ...still get hit, etc.) |
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| 19:28.39 | ArcanePariah | Same deal with Zealots, although it is 2 attacks, since it comes off a single persistent to get animation to line up, you can't dodge the 2nd blade hit, they both will always connect |
| 19:29.47 | ArcanePariah | I get the feeling persistent effects are the catchall/generic effect that is used to glue all other effects together |
| 19:30.02 | MoonEater916 | bleh! |
| 19:30.18 | ArcanePariah | spies a Moon in the sky |
| 19:30.20 | zenx_ | I didnt have fez or ftl or trine 2 or mark of ninja |
| 19:30.23 | zenx_ | such great games |
| 19:30.25 | zenx_ | I bet |
| 19:30.31 | zenx_ | dunno about limbo |
| 19:30.45 | zenx_ | or what is that eat munchies |
| 19:31.36 | Bommes | limbo looks really pretty, I personally don't think the gameplay is all that great though |
| 19:31.40 | Bommes | no idea about the munchies one |
| 19:31.46 | Bommes | but a lot of ppl like limbo a lot |
| 19:31.58 | zenx_ | doesnt seem like my game thou |
| 19:32.02 | zenx_ | like meh... |
| 19:32.08 | zenx_ | fez seems more interesting puzzle game |
| 19:32.36 | Bommes | Hmm, I think I just don't like puzzle platformers in general |
| 19:32.42 | Bommes | I'll still look into FEZ though :) |
| 19:33.04 | Dustin | This was a pretty good bundle |
| 19:33.05 | Dustin | I have a huuuuge lise of bundles |
| 19:33.10 | Dustin | I dont think I've missed many |
| 19:33.13 | zenx_ | I suppose mark of ninja is sorta like puzzle platform too |
| 19:33.24 | Bommes | I missed the first 2 |
| 19:33.27 | Dustin | Its like Thief and Ninja Gaiden I hear |
| 19:33.35 | Bommes | I also didn't get all of the themed ones like the EA etc, not really interested in that |
| 19:33.46 | Dustin | I got some of the themed ones |
| 19:33.48 | Bommes | I think MOTN is more action than puzzle |
| 19:33.59 | zenx_ | trine 1 was pretty cool too...nothing too special but solid and fun |
| 19:34.09 | zenx_ | all of them are actually quite like puzzle games sort of |
| 19:35.03 | Bommes | well, isn't life as a whole sort of a puzzle? |
| 19:36.01 | zenx_ | pretty cool to get some new games |
| 19:36.06 | zenx_ | I was wanting a break from mapping |
| 19:36.09 | zenx_ | so this should do it |
| 19:36.18 | Bommes | haha |
| 19:37.00 | zenx_ | can you give those ones you already have as gifts? |
| 19:37.16 | Bommes | I think all the steam keys are individually for each game |
| 19:37.25 | Bommes | so if you already have one you are free to give them to someone else |
| 19:38.22 | Dustin | https://www.humblebundle.com/weekly is also good |
| 19:38.30 | Dustin | Duke nuken and Shadow warrior ftw |
| 19:38.33 | Dustin | nukem* |
| 19:41.14 | zenx_ | ah yea |
| 19:41.17 | zenx_ | Iv played them |
| 19:42.09 | zenx_ | not really interested to play them again |
| 19:42.12 | zenx_ | its a thing of a past |
| 19:42.15 | Fate__ | ah random offset in a presitent does the job |
| 19:42.21 | Bommes | wow, the weekly actually is really good too |
| 19:42.23 | Bommes | didn't even notice that |
| 19:45.58 | zenx_ | well done bommes you have made us "waste" money and our future |
| 19:46.09 | Bommes | that's the plan |
| 19:46.22 | Bommes | and you shall never use your time productively again |
| 19:46.45 | zenx_ | I guess my "map night" plans have been settled too |
| 20:09.40 | G0A | hehe, seems like SCU team is lazy to do the hard work:) http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/team-recruitment/34806-star-craft-universe-team-seeking-expert-data-editor/#p1 |
| 20:10.02 | Kueken | or they have money to spend now :D |
| 20:10.58 | G0A | they should spend it on custom models instead.) |
| 20:11.14 | G0A | (which they would share for free with us ofcourse) |
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| 20:14.11 | Zolden | twod |
| 20:18.01 | Kueken | акула |
| 20:20.23 | Zolden | lol |
| 20:20.33 | Zolden | Kueken: they got you? |
| 20:20.52 | Kueken | nah, I am greeting them nicely |
| 20:21.37 | twodfie | Zold |
| 20:22.10 | Kueken | fie |
| 20:22.18 | Zolden | twodfie: what will you do when you complete watching youtube? |
| 20:22.32 | Zolden | when you watch every single episode |
| 20:22.53 | Kueken | every single video there is on youtube? |
| 20:22.53 | twodfie | kill myself? |
| 20:23.10 | Kueken | I think content grows faster than you can watch it :( |
| 20:23.32 | Kueken | and its more than a human lifetime anyway |
| 20:23.55 | A1win | what if you have multiple monitors |
| 20:24.15 | twodfie | like thousand of them? |
| 20:24.16 | twodfie | mb |
| 20:24.26 | A1win | that should be in xkcd what if: how many monitors would you need to watch youtube in your lifetime |
| 20:25.37 | Zolden | 90% of anything is trash, and i'm sure that we can only consider the good 10% of youtube series, becasue twodie is selective, he wouldn't watch trash |
| 20:25.55 | twodfie | well |
| 20:26.04 | twodfie | everyone have his own taste |
| 20:26.18 | twodfie | and knows what is trash to them |
| 20:27.35 | Zolden | any taste may find that 90% of anythign is shit, and yes, they remaining 10% don't intersect |
| 20:27.43 | A1win | would be nice to watch all those 10 hours of nyan cat and stuff |
| 20:27.51 | twodfie | :D |
| 20:28.13 | Zolden | twodfie: what genres are your favorite on youtube? For example, I like fail collections, where people destroy their balls falling from bikes and skates |
| 20:28.16 | twodfie | and 360h of black / white changes places video |
| 20:29.32 | twodfie | currently music, Vines compilations, some comedians, Friends scenes, gaming related shit |
| 20:30.42 | twodfie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x64cy3Bcr98 |
| 20:31.03 | twodfie | "Stay hungry, stay foolish." |
| 20:31.50 | Zolden | stay hitly, stay hitlish |
| 20:32.36 | twodfie | stay stally, stay stallish |
| 20:32.59 | Zolden | so, waht about beams, twod? |
| 20:33.06 | Zolden | wanna try? |
| 20:33.12 | twodfie | no experience |
| 20:33.23 | twodfie | not today for sure |
| 20:33.26 | Zolden | it's 3 cliks easy |
| 20:33.35 | Zolden | ok |
| 20:33.41 | Zolden | not twodie for sure |
| 20:33.57 | twodfie | yeah not 2 die for sure |
| 20:34.18 | twodfie | today 2 die |
| 20:34.30 | Zolden | 2x_x |
| 20:35.47 | twodfie | QQ |
| 20:35.47 | A1win | blaarg blaarg blaarg |
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| 20:39.55 | twodfie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKjkaGrYpHE |
| 20:43.20 | Zolden | unyoutubable |
| 20:44.22 | Zolden | interesting: will complete and perfect wc3 remake be popular as arcade mod? |
| 20:47.05 | Fate__ | well the wc3 normal gameplay wasnt that good |
| 20:48.24 | Fate__ | or maybe it was kind of matter of taste |
| 20:48.46 | Dustin | WC3 melee was awesome |
| 20:48.51 | Zolden | yea, I think it wasn't |
| 20:49.12 | Zolden | Dustin: so, you think it has still a player base? |
| 20:49.33 | twodfie | i think you need to create a Grand Thieft Auto shit |
| 20:49.35 | Dustin | SC1 still even has a player base :P |
| 20:50.04 | Zolden | sc1 and wc3 are not correlating |
| 20:50.19 | Zolden | sc1 is classics, wc3 is ugly child |
| 20:50.21 | Dustin | I still get on WC3 and play some melee or some cools maps now and then |
| 20:50.27 | Fate__ | well i liked the wc3 untis races and the heros |
| 20:50.42 | Dustin | I just loved WC3 |
| 20:50.45 | Fate__ | the gameplay elements with heros is cool |
| 20:50.54 | Zolden | Dustin: would you be interested in playing wc3 remake in sc2? |
| 20:51.01 | Fate__ | what i did not like was that goldmine eco system |
| 20:51.07 | Dustin | Yeah I like the combination of RTS and RPG |
| 20:51.24 | Zolden | yea, gold mine is too plain |
| 20:51.29 | Dustin | Sure would, if someone ported the melee style of WC3 to SC2 that'd be awesome |
| 20:51.32 | Zolden | shitty 5 workers |
| 20:52.07 | Zolden | Dustin: well, there are 2 sources: chinese and russian, both can create a great sc3 melee mod |
| 20:52.08 | Dustin | The concept of hireing a hero and leveling him was cool, I wanted to take it a step further and add random quests in the map that people could do too while playing to get bonuses |
| 20:52.12 | Fate__ | i wonder how wc3 would be like with minerals :) |
| 20:52.30 | Fate__ | hm |
| 20:52.43 | A1win | I didn't like the heroes in WC3, it took it too far towards RPG, the RTS aspect felt insignificant |
| 20:53.10 | Dustin | Didn't to me, you still had to have good RTS skilsl to win |
| 20:53.18 | Zolden | yea, sc3 was like homm: uppable hero with an army, killing mob groups for artifacts |
| 20:53.19 | Dustin | But you could micro your hero leveling to help as well |
| 20:53.30 | Zolden | *wc3 |
| 20:54.47 | Zolden | ok, if there ppl like Dustin, i may work |
| 20:55.05 | Zolden | *it |
| 21:29.10 | Zolden | penis |
| 21:29.15 | Zolden | still connected |
| 21:30.26 | A1win | how often do you check it? |
| 21:32.07 | Zolden | once a week |
| 21:38.30 | Zolden | mapster returning shit on my attempt to connect |
| 21:39.07 | A1win | CurseForge: Maintenance |
| 21:40.09 | Zolden | Hope the only result of this maintanance will be replacing all "I" with "I, as a noob" |
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| 22:39.19 | Necromoni | how do you display/ accept integers from text |
| 22:39.26 | Necromoni | from/to text |
| 22:39.46 | A1win | text can't be read, only written and displayed |
| 22:40.03 | A1win | but you can use Convert Integer To Text function to display integers in text |
| 22:40.15 | Necromoni | ok thanks |
| 22:40.19 | Necromoni | so how do |
| 22:40.20 | A1win | text is localized, so it doesn't make sense that script could compare its value |
| 22:40.25 | Necromoni | people do transfer |
| 22:40.33 | Necromoni | like someone types |
| 22:40.36 | Necromoni | -minerals 99999 |
| 22:40.56 | Necromoni | how would i accept that value after minerals to be read to transfer the exact amount to another player |
| 22:40.56 | A1win | chat messages are given as string by the chat message event |
| 22:41.11 | A1win | String is a different data type from Text |
| 22:41.11 | Necromoni | mm |
| 22:41.13 | Necromoni | ok |
| 22:41.26 | A1win | you can convert strings into integers |
| 22:41.35 | A1win | with Convert String To Integer |
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| 22:41.40 | Necromoni | ok thanks |
| 22:41.45 | A1win | then you can use Word Of String to get the 2nd word of that message |
| 22:41.45 | Necromoni | :) |
| 22:42.05 | Necromoni | i didnt kno there was a function to convert from string to integer |
| 22:42.06 | Necromoni | thats all |
| 22:42.08 | A1win | Convert String To Integer( Word Of String ( (Entered text message), 2 ) ) |
| 22:42.23 | A1win | *entered chat message |
| 22:44.28 | Necromoni | how does the function name exactly? |
| 22:44.31 | Necromoni | do u mind? |
| 22:44.43 | A1win | which function? |
| 22:44.55 | Necromoni | convert string to integer |
| 22:45.06 | A1win | just that, make sure you are browsing integer type functions |
| 22:45.37 | Necromoni | k |
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