| 00:00.40 | Stewox | man another false flag |
| 00:00.47 | Stewox | depressing |
| 00:01.02 | DeadZergling | specialize in, hrrrrmm, good question |
| 00:01.16 | DeadZergling | I specialize in making simple things too complicated, mostly? |
| 00:01.30 | A1win | like the answer to this question |
| 00:01.36 | Stewox | http://www.infowars.com/listen http://www.infowars.com/breaking-active-shooter-at-dc-navy-yard-multiple-victims/ |
| 00:01.52 | Stewox | well what you do around sc2 |
| 00:01.57 | Stewox | not necessairly sc2 |
| 00:02.17 | Stewox | but if someone knows 3dsmax |
| 00:03.16 | DeadZergling | oh I definitely do not know 3dsmax |
| 00:03.26 | DeadZergling | not a student at the moment, and unwilling to torrent it |
| 00:03.55 | DeadZergling | I work on my RPG from time to time mostly, is a lot of work with systems for the most part |
| 00:04.31 | Stewox | ah okay no panic |
| 00:06.28 | A1win | http://www.abload.de/img/1egfo5.png |
| 00:07.50 | Stewox | anyways deadzergling how much do you really get from that stuff, as you said you didn't made it obvious |
| 00:09.49 | Stewox | oh a1win you want proof |
| 00:10.01 | A1win | no I don't |
| 00:10.03 | Stewox | let me find some |
| 00:10.09 | A1win | I didn't even open those links |
| 00:10.19 | DeadZergling | how much do I really get, from what stuff? |
| 00:10.21 | Stewox | you do, don't lie to me |
| 00:10.33 | Stewox | esoteric information deadzergling |
| 00:10.48 | A1win | I'm not able to want proof of something I don't know about |
| 00:10.50 | A1win | ._. |
| 00:10.52 | Stewox | conspiracy stuff |
| 00:11.36 | DeadZergling | Oh, I mostly wonder how much of it is true, how much has been fabricated. |
| 00:11.50 | Stewox | then why are you so certain in your opinion that made me blow up and the moderator doens't want this talk anymore around here and is warning me |
| 00:11.53 | A1win | that comic strip was just a depiction of what it looks like |
| 00:11.56 | DeadZergling | How much of the world Help was helped to be written to make for a That Darn Cat Movie |
| 00:12.00 | Stewox | but you guys trolled all the time and nothing |
| 00:12.03 | DeadZergling | And if you don't get that reference, totally okay :) |
| 00:12.22 | A1win | huh? X_x |
| 00:12.42 | DeadZergling | I'm exercising my use of esoteric information, A1win |
| 00:12.45 | DeadZergling | isn't it fun? |
| 00:13.02 | Stewox | one of examples of fabricated theories is Obama born in Kenya |
| 00:13.12 | Stewox | by obama him self |
| 00:13.30 | DeadZergling | ??? Obama is self replicating? |
| 00:13.33 | Stewox | conspiracy experts usually don't fabricate stuff |
| 00:13.54 | DeadZergling | Oh I see, you are saying he came up with the idea |
| 00:14.00 | Stewox | unless it's a shill pretenting to be on the side of people |
| 00:14.02 | DeadZergling | I thought you were saying he reproduced assexually |
| 00:14.25 | A1win | :P |
| 00:15.26 | Stewox | no |
| 00:15.30 | A1win | my opinion is that I'm pretty sure most of the stuff you're talking about is highly exaggerated from the truth, but even if it isn't, I don't care enough to get involved |
| 00:15.39 | A1win | that's why I'm so certain about it ;p |
| 00:15.52 | Stewox | in his book he revealed "kenya origins" |
| 00:15.58 | Stewox | but that was a smokescreen |
| 00:16.12 | Stewox | even his wife took on the kenya bandwagon |
| 00:16.23 | Stewox | but that was all cryptic, for the conspiracy crowd |
| 00:16.41 | Stewox | the mainstream zombies don't even know about this |
| 00:17.07 | Stewox | in reality obama is a son of some porno oligarch apparenty |
| 00:17.18 | Stewox | from some other country i forgot |
| 00:17.29 | Stewox | basically he's a son of a mafia boss |
| 00:17.39 | A1win | of course he is |
| 00:17.49 | A1win | that explains everything |
| 00:18.04 | A1win | anyway, sleep time -> |
| 00:18.15 | Stewox | and the fake birth certificate is still fake no matter what |
| 00:18.17 | DeadZergling | have fun contemplating more on your map A1win |
| 00:18.39 | Stewox | but kenya was a smokescreen so that's an example of fabricated theories |
| 00:18.58 | Stewox | most of the stuff is not fabricated |
| 00:19.09 | Stewox | it's just not the whole story |
| 00:19.32 | Stewox | it's never 100% explained, obviously because it's reverse engineering to come to the truth |
| 00:20.24 | Stewox | unless there's a big source from inside and while that is always present in the big theories which aren't theories anymore, those sources can't tell everything for their protection |
| 00:22.08 | Stewox | if you are interested deadzergling i can show you some quick proofs, not to scare you but your mind will not be confused as it is now, I guarantee you that knowing the truth even if it's scary it is much better than the fear of unknown, it's much better than a confused state of the mind |
| 00:22.30 | Stewox | do you have photoshop installed ? |
| 00:22.44 | DeadZergling | nope, just gimp |
| 00:23.05 | Stewox | it may work with that as well |
| 00:23.37 | DeadZergling | since when do proofs require a good image editor? |
| 00:24.16 | Stewox | you'll see |
| 00:24.23 | Stewox | what about Adobe Illustrator ? |
| 00:25.02 | DeadZergling | believe just adobe reader, you aren't sending me one of those long awful text slideshows are you? |
| 00:26.10 | Stewox | just a moment |
| 00:26.21 | Stewox | no it is not long, one small image |
| 00:30.37 | Stewox | unfortunately i don't know how i did it |
| 00:30.47 | Stewox | but i can't make it work in gimp now |
| 00:30.50 | Stewox | nor photoshop |
| 00:31.02 | Stewox | only with Adobe illustrator |
| 00:31.06 | Stewox | so i'll show you a video |
| 00:31.09 | Stewox | but first |
| 00:32.04 | Stewox | The official story is, that obama's birth certificate has been scanned by a scanner and then the image from the scanner put into a PDF and released to the public |
| 00:32.31 | Stewox | now watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9j7ksEw1YU but watch it closely without skipping and don't do anything else |
| 00:32.49 | Stewox | listen to the guy how he talks, like he's smart |
| 00:40.33 | DeadZergling | is 7 minutes of a guy clicking on show/hide layer. |
| 00:40.52 | Stewox | well didn't you get the point ? |
| 00:40.55 | DeadZergling | and his premise is wrong too, if an image has layers, it has been edited, guess no one told him about the merge all existing layers button. |
| 00:41.21 | Stewox | did you watch the whole video for 7 minutes ? |
| 00:42.03 | DeadZergling | yep, although I found it very hard to take seriously based on the false premise from the beginning |
| 00:42.19 | Stewox | he is a non-believer, but he got a nice shock of truth, it's the best reaction video I found yet |
| 00:42.46 | Stewox | so I gave it to you, i could have given you other videos which just show, made by people who already are awake and informed |
| 00:43.19 | Stewox | this was a nice way of appealing to beginners because the guy is not informed, so he has a bias at the start thinking he's smart |
| 00:44.22 | DeadZergling | proofs are a difficult thing though, as you have to assume certain things to ever get anywhere |
| 00:44.43 | Stewox | wow, I really don't know how you came up with that, a false premise from start makes him wrong ? |
| 00:45.12 | DeadZergling | His premise at the start seemed to be, I'm going to open up this picture |
| 00:45.22 | DeadZergling | and by it not having layers, it will somehow make it true |
| 00:45.34 | Stewox | assume, no, I just let my self and researched it, that's how I got in, you have to do I yourself or you'll never know the truth, it takes effort and time people are too lazy to "waste" |
| 00:45.45 | DeadZergling | I have MANY image files i've created to be icons for my items in my RPG |
| 00:45.51 | DeadZergling | many of my new ones have layers |
| 00:46.03 | DeadZergling | i simply merge all layers before converting to dds |
| 00:46.06 | Stewox | nobody is saying that, layers are there, it is a fabrication, how more harder proof there can be |
| 00:46.31 | DeadZergling | I'm saying, even if he successfully showed no layers |
| 00:46.38 | DeadZergling | it would mean absolutely nothing |
| 00:47.38 | Stewox | I don't really care how they did it or why they made a mistake, I'm just glad they did the mistake so we can see how illegal the administration is , even if we didn't had this hard proof it wouldn't mean conspiracy theorists were wrong, this is just help to make us believable to the sleeping masses |
| 00:48.08 | Stewox | this is just one small puzzle in the picture, however |
| 00:48.32 | Stewox | how can you say that ? |
| 00:48.37 | DeadZergling | would be more accurate to say: this is just one small piece of the puzzle in the grand picture |
| 00:48.50 | DeadZergling | guessing that is a translation error :) |
| 00:49.17 | Stewox | if he got no layers |
| 00:49.24 | Stewox | it would mean 2 options |
| 00:49.42 | Stewox | 1: all the people posting videos about this are all fakes |
| 00:49.56 | Stewox | 2: the whitehouse replaced the file with a fixed version |
| 00:50.12 | Stewox | in which case the masses of people would default to option 1 |
| 00:50.18 | DeadZergling | 3: someone in the entirety of the whitehouse knew of the merge all layers button |
| 00:50.30 | Stewox | what are you talking about ? |
| 00:50.38 | Stewox | that doesn't even make sense nor it is important |
| 00:50.54 | Stewox | because |
| 00:51.16 | Stewox | this guy made a video days or week after it got released |
| 00:51.23 | Stewox | the other people got the first version |
| 00:51.32 | Stewox | and it was layers |
| 00:52.56 | Stewox | if it didn't had layers, no big deal for us, we know it's fake anyways, there's other information on obama, and specifically to the birth certificate there's other logistical inaccuracies in the honollulu, there has been whistleblowers and info from there |
| 00:53.50 | Stewox | besides, the infowars report goes deeper to account for typewriter mismatch, some of the text is obviously a modern computer generated text made to look like an old typewriter |
| 00:54.08 | Stewox | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g30VCl_cgk |
| 00:56.23 | Stewox | you're not really into are you |
| 00:56.30 | Stewox | into this * |
| 00:56.56 | Stewox | are you watching ? |
| 00:57.45 | Stewox | i have more stuff but if you're going to hold back every time evidence is obvious then you won't make much progress |
| 00:58.29 | Stewox | you though I wasn't skeptical, i haven't believed the stuff on infowars for like 3 years in the beginning |
| 00:59.35 | DeadZergling | if by into this, you mean watching this chat every minute of the day, then no |
| 01:00.22 | Stewox | i had to watch a lot of videos to wake me up, but I got it, i didn't had this defence mechanism of going full excuse mode to try to defend the establishment, my nature was resistance, i've knew when authority was not to be taken seriously when it was wrong |
| 01:00.54 | Stewox | well we can go for hours if you're going to be here every 5 minutes for 10 seconds |
| 01:01.05 | Stewox | if you're okay with that then so be it |
| 01:02.10 | Stewox | actually it is not good to get a lot of stuff in short period, your mind will just get filled up and because of the overload it'll be harder to understand |
| 01:02.37 | Stewox | but a balance is good, we don't have the time now to get slowly as the years go by |
| 01:02.58 | Stewox | those who will not be prepared will suffer the most |
| 01:03.18 | Stewox | if you really love your family you're going to take this information seriously |
| 01:03.40 | Stewox | this is a general say for anyone |
| 01:05.18 | Stewox | because I understand what you meant with that, and I was just speculating as well, but really when you understand this deeply, there is absolutely nothing else that is more important than this |
| 01:11.58 | Stewox | just taking like an hour or 2 of free time for this per day will make a big difference, unless you do this as a job like some people hehe |
| 01:13.45 | Stewox | point is, it'll take you much longer on your own than someone directing and supplying you exactly what you need |
| 01:14.09 | Stewox | i am self thaught, nobody encouraged me or told me anything |
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| 02:14.34 | Necromoni | Anyone know a nice looking way to make a number appear near a behavior icon to show behavior stacks? |
| 02:14.52 | Necromoni | Is dialog my only option? |
| 02:27.42 | ArcanePariah | Afaik, yes, you will need to create a dialog and reference the current stacks, will have to be a constantly updating loops |
| 02:27.44 | ArcanePariah | loop* |
| 02:30.54 | Necromoni | is there any way to get the behavior icon position, or do I have to set priority of it to 0 and all others possible to >0 so I can get a definite position? |
| 02:31.33 | ArcanePariah | Have to use priority afaik, there is no way to get the order visually otherwise |
| 02:31.59 | ArcanePariah | Though priority can be any value iirc, so if you set each individually, you can at least guarentee an order of sorts, though that's tedious |
| 02:33.19 | Necromoni | mmm |
| 02:33.19 | Necromoni | ok |
| 02:33.25 | Necromoni | thanks |
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| 02:36.33 | Obscene | Hell with it, decided to not go to midnight launch lawl |
| 02:36.46 | Obscene | Too sleepy |
| 02:37.09 | Vail | you mean of Snore theft auto? |
| 02:37.34 | Vail | i kid, i know a lot of people are looking forward to Grand Theft Auto 5 |
| 02:38.14 | Obscene | :( |
| 02:38.21 | Obscene | I love the GTA series |
| 02:38.24 | Obscene | sooo many things to do |
| 02:38.37 | Obscene | Like... cause mass mayhem... and cause mass mayhem... and run over hookers |
| 02:38.47 | Vail | * nods * i like games where you beat stuff to death and get exp and loof |
| 02:38.57 | Necromoni | u can do all that in sc2 |
| 02:39.06 | Necromoni | :P |
| 02:41.06 | Vail | i loved Kingdoms of amalur and Darksiders 1 and 2 |
| 02:41.22 | Vail | sadly there will never be a darksiders 3 |
| 02:57.28 | Obscene | I didnt care for darksiders 2 |
| 02:57.51 | Obscene | I thought it was a dantes inferno clone, which was a God of war clone |
| 02:58.00 | Obscene | i mean darksiders 1 and 2 |
| 02:58.06 | Obscene | but darksiders 1 was better then 2 |
| 03:08.50 | Stewox | obscene if you like GTAs then you realize what the game is really about? |
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| 03:13.23 | Otixa | Cause you're a bad terran |
| 03:13.27 | Otixa | You're gonna lose again |
| 03:13.28 | Otixa | ;p |
| 03:21.29 | Obscene | Stewox its not about aliens probing your butthole like you think the government is doing everyday ... |
| 03:21.54 | Obscene | Stewox, sometimes... its just entertainment |
| 03:22.16 | Obscene | The ones whoa re aiming to corrupt us are a very very small part, They do something and the others, seeing its sales results, follow. |
| 03:22.20 | Obscene | They are not evil though |
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| 03:23.41 | Ownage | hey, what do I need to do to increase the cooldown of an ability, so that the next time it's used, the cooldown afterwards will be longer? |
| 03:23.55 | Ownage | tried setting via catalog and a couple other things but I'm somehow not getting it |
| 03:31.42 | Repo | New experimental map: Zerus - Leader of the Pack - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/zerus-leader-pack/ |
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| 03:33.29 | Necromoni | anyone good with making abilities' effects look good? Wanna give me some tips on it? |
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| 04:25.31 | Stewox | Costa Concordia will be visible upright any minute now http://rt.com/on-air/costa-concordia-salavage-operation/ |
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| 04:25.39 | Stewox | Costa Concordia will be visible upright any minute now http://rt.com/on-air/costa-concordia-salavage-operation/ |
| 04:26.05 | Necromoni | wazza |
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| 04:26.33 | Kueken | Shark |
| 04:26.58 | Necromoni | guppy |
| 04:32.59 | ArcanePariah | sup Kueken, whts new? |
| 04:33.20 | Kueken | best friend got married, I attended :) |
| 04:33.46 | Kueken | social phobia prevented me from having fun, but I am sure it was a very nice party for normal people :D |
| 04:34.55 | ArcanePariah | Ahh |
| 04:35.34 | ArcanePariah | Anyone have any questions for the crowd? |
| 04:36.07 | Kueken | uhm |
| 04:36.26 | Kueken | nothing mapping related ;) |
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| 05:03.59 | Zandose | hello |
| 05:08.04 | Zandose | can i attach a number/integer to actors and get it back from them |
| 05:08.05 | Zandose | ? |
| 05:09.33 | Zandose | bad timing? |
| 05:21.11 | Kueken | yes indeed bad timing |
| 05:21.43 | Kueken | now I could have given you an answer |
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| 07:11.19 | Ownage | sorry I didn't see, did someone answer my question about changing the cooldown length |
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| 07:35.24 | Ownage | also how can I make a skill which targets a point be able to be cast anywhere in the map? I set range to 500 (max) but it's not far enough |
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| 07:40.25 | Kueken | 500 will cover any possible map |
| 07:41.35 | Kueken | since maximum dimensions for a map are 256x256, the maximum distance would be 256 times squareroot 2 |
| 07:41.41 | Kueken | which is about 360 |
| 07:42.46 | Kueken | if you still cannot target it across the entire map, something else is preventing it, maybe it requires vision of the target area or validators limit its use or w/e |
| 08:38.31 | Ownage | it's nuke spell based |
| 08:38.36 | Ownage | whole map is visible |
| 08:38.49 | Ownage | I'll look more into it |
| 08:38.57 | Ownage | other Qs |
| 08:43.03 | Ownage | I am using lowest settings on my laptop, I get a warning about a model not having a 2d version or maybe 2d portrait |
| 08:43.20 | Ownage | can I assign it an existing one somehow easily? |
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| 08:49.59 | zenx | ah |
| 08:50.28 | zenx | Im finding myself using facebook quite often nowadays |
| 08:50.32 | zenx | so the mighty has fallen |
| 08:50.40 | zenx | the very thing I despice has become my daily life |
| 08:58.11 | duckies | why would you gain from using such thing? |
| 08:58.15 | duckies | *what |
| 08:58.33 | zenx | spying on other peoples lives |
| 08:58.35 | zenx | how sad is that |
| 08:58.57 | duckies | don't admit it.. say it's for.. a "research" |
| 08:59.10 | zenx | mm very well :D |
| 08:59.18 | duckies | and you're a sciencist! |
| 08:59.35 | duckies | so you're doing it for the sake of knowledge and future generations! |
| 08:59.54 | duckies | that way stalking becomes a noble and encouraged activity |
| 08:59.55 | zenx | I could say it is sort of reserach indeed |
| 08:59.59 | zenx | cause |
| 09:00.15 | zenx | well nvm, I shouldnt tell everything here :D |
| 09:00.28 | zenx | its rather boring story anyway |
| 09:00.33 | duckies | doesn't matter NSA knows it anyway =D |
| 09:00.37 | Bommes | wow, you watch other people but are scared that they know about you? |
| 09:00.44 | Bommes | now we are actually entering spy territory |
| 09:00.46 | Bommes | good job |
| 09:01.35 | zenx | Its become commons sense by now there are some things you do not write on the internet |
| 09:01.54 | zenx | like talking about your job on facebook, you have to be careful about that |
| 09:04.44 | Ownage | I find myself absolutely never using it :) |
| 09:04.47 | Bommes | I wouldn't post anything publicly on Facebook |
| 09:04.58 | duckies | pfft zenxu, don't you know we're now in a post-common sense era, so feel free to share your deepest secrets with us |
| 09:05.08 | Ownage | I have google+ , not sure what facebook is for anymore |
| 09:05.32 | Ownage | maybe to see what games people invite me to play with them |
| 09:05.35 | Ownage | ;) |
| 09:06.07 | zenx | it certainly seems some people like to share everything there |
| 09:06.28 | zenx | dunno if Im gotten used to the "what I ate for breakfast stuff" or has it become less and less |
| 09:06.39 | zenx | god...I dont think people actually post what they ate |
| 09:06.45 | zenx | allthou |
| 09:06.49 | zenx | food = win |
| 09:07.21 | zenx | I think I have google+ too just because google wont stop bothering me about it |
| 09:07.31 | Ownage | plus I live in china, no one has facebook anyway |
| 09:07.32 | duckies | what about shit? shit is the inevitable result of such win |
| 09:08.31 | zenx | china...thats cool |
| 09:08.37 | zenx | cause china has those map contests |
| 09:08.39 | zenx | :/ |
| 09:08.43 | Kueken | Ownage: You can just add any picture to the Art: Image field of the portrait model |
| 09:08.46 | duckies | ;\ |
| 09:09.06 | Ownage | here's a general question, I find it very hard to test maps in sc2. I have to basically test everything as 1 player then eventually publish it and try to lure victims in from chat rooms for testing. Is there some pool of people who exchange testing or something? |
| 09:09.12 | zenx | you are deserving of the title "great philosopher" ducky |
| 09:09.13 | Ownage | thanks Kueken I'll do that |
| 09:09.40 | Kueken | you can ask here in the channel for tests |
| 09:10.04 | Kueken | also it helps a lot just adding cpus and giving you control over them |
| 09:10.20 | Ownage | how do I give control without breaking alliance? |
| 09:10.32 | Kueken | you cannot test everything that way, but anything regarding visibility or mui etc |
| 09:10.44 | Kueken | set alliance aspect via trigger |
| 09:10.53 | Kueken | and select share control |
| 09:11.05 | Kueken | it won't affect the hostility |
| 09:11.15 | duckies | but if you think about it it applies to everything, excitement switches with mundanity, relationships make you want solitude and all life eventually turns to dust. I imagine this chat 90 years later, we're all just a bunch of skeletons buried around underground :| |
| 09:11.20 | Ownage | I don't find art: image |
| 09:11.40 | zenx | but our maps will live on |
| 09:11.42 | zenx | forever |
| 09:11.44 | zenx | :D |
| 09:11.45 | duckies | this chat is nothing but a bunch of bones a little bit further in time D: |
| 09:11.56 | Kueken | any model has that field |
| 09:11.58 | Ownage | so you're saying all one team and then force enemy alliance with trigger? |
| 09:12.10 | Kueken | ? |
| 09:12.12 | Kueken | no |
| 09:12.24 | duckies | yeah, I should put more effort to immortalize myself! |
| 09:12.28 | Ownage | oh sorry I'm looking at actor |
| 09:13.16 | duckies | "I don't map because I like to, I map because I'm afraid of death!" should have been my response to one of feature interview questions |
| 09:13.22 | zenx | :D |
| 09:13.23 | Kueken | its just for testing, make a player that normally would be another human cpu, give him some units and give yourself control while leaving him hostile |
| 09:13.25 | duckies | that wouldn't have been censored at all =D |
| 09:13.31 | Bommes | Hmm, I'm really confused about the visibility of Selection type actors and how they get rendered and with what priority |
| 09:13.38 | zenx | o boy that would be cool |
| 09:13.41 | Bommes | sometimes they show on top of models, sometimes they don't |
| 09:13.46 | Bommes | and I have no clue how or why |
| 09:13.55 | Ownage | so you're saying in a 3v3 map, just give control with triggers? |
| 09:14.21 | Kueken | if you need to test stuff that can be tested like this |
| 09:14.23 | zenx | not sure if I read your interview |
| 09:14.29 | zenx | but they probly asked all stupid stuff |
| 09:14.37 | duckies | and you shouldn't |
| 09:14.47 | duckies | they did a good job at normalizing it |
| 09:14.47 | Ownage | yeah I need to test both sides of a tug of war making buildings |
| 09:14.57 | zenx | mm yea |
| 09:15.02 | Kueken | then yes |
| 09:15.03 | zenx | I want rebellion interviews |
| 09:15.41 | Ownage | I don't see enemy with shared control |
| 09:15.52 | Ownage | I see enemy with shared vision and ally with shared control |
| 09:15.53 | duckies | as if I'd ever say something like "but remember - the most important thing is to have fun!".. but according to blizz I did |
| 09:16.01 | zenx | :DDD |
| 09:16.14 | zenx | aww shit hilarious |
| 09:16.31 | Ownage | that's not at all the most important thing you idiot |
| 09:16.38 | Ownage | how dare you say that in your interview |
| 09:16.38 | Bommes | clearly in reality you said "but remember - the most important thing is to praise the duck!" |
| 09:16.40 | Kueken | action - set alliance aspect - shared control between player x and y |
| 09:16.57 | duckies | at least now I know why all the interviews are so damn polite and boring, they all get blizzareterized in the process want it or now ;/ |
| 09:17.13 | Ownage | gracias, never used aspect before |
| 09:17.26 | zenx | as expected their site is messy as fuck cant find it yet |
| 09:17.36 | duckies | yea, bomme s has the right idea |
| 09:17.55 | duckies | just look at any other interview, it's all the same |
| 09:18.23 | duckies | all so polite with all personality and wording edited out of them |
| 09:18.46 | zenx | yea...thats stupid to make it like that |
| 09:19.05 | zenx | not a huge deal |
| 09:19.12 | zenx | but I would like to see interesting questions and shit |
| 09:19.13 | Bommes | in my imagination Blizzard has a horde of low income employees on their lower floors who just get paid to copy every text that gets published under the name of Blizzard by just copying phrases from older texts. |
| 09:19.40 | Bommes | all day long. |
| 09:20.56 | duckies | I'd imagine then blizz would be better at copying old stuff, but they're not too good at it either :s |
| 09:20.59 | zenx | http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/10022940 |
| 09:21.01 | zenx | finally |
| 09:21.36 | duckies | I can't belive you actually went on and dig up that atrocity |
| 09:22.27 | Bommes | yeah, that seems totally unreasonable for someone who knows how google works and likes to spy on people |
| 09:22.33 | Bommes | I can't believe it either |
| 09:22.55 | duckies | =D |
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| 09:23.09 | zenx | sooo.....where is that hack and slash map? |
| 09:23.29 | duckies | it evolved and is now used as base for my hero map |
| 09:23.47 | zenx | sounds good |
| 09:24.26 | zenx | quite boring questions as expected |
| 09:24.37 | zenx | not even asking about what you think of arcade maps and such |
| 09:24.50 | Bommes | Starcraft themed or are you using custom assets duckies? |
| 09:25.26 | zenx | real questions is when is there going to be a duck model? |
| 09:25.27 | duckies | starcraft styled with ripped item/abil icons from wow |
| 09:25.59 | duckies | we've discussed duck model with zolden and came to conclusion that we're just not ready for it yet |
| 09:26.17 | duckies | the world is not prepared |
| 09:27.39 | Bommes | the beak simulation needs more processing power! |
| 09:27.57 | Teratron | hello |
| 09:28.12 | duckies | greetings |
| 09:28.21 | zenx | tjenare |
| 09:28.23 | Teratron | how do i use experience to implement veteranacy ? |
| 09:28.25 | zenx | as they say in sweden |
| 09:28.36 | zenx | im off cya |
| 09:29.25 | duckies | to answer your question - I have no idea! |
| 09:29.27 | Teratron | is veteranacy already in the game but disabled ? |
| 09:29.34 | Ownage | hmm I can't spend the other side's resources |
| 09:29.48 | Ownage | so I have shared control but can't build for testing |
| 09:29.52 | Teratron | the Executor, Mentor .stuff are just labels for unit kills |
| 09:30.17 | Ownage | ah nvm another attribute |
| 09:30.19 | Teratron | triggers have something called Unit Gains Experience |
| 09:30.34 | Teratron | what is that they are referring to with "experience" |
| 09:30.40 | duckies | yeah, you migh have played maps with heroes? |
| 09:30.49 | duckies | in those maps heroes have wc3 styled exp bar |
| 09:30.50 | Teratron | nope |
| 09:30.56 | duckies | that is called veteranicy |
| 09:30.59 | Teratron | ah |
| 09:31.18 | Teratron | i am talking about the veterancy found in C&C |
| 09:31.29 | duckies | experience is gained when 1 unit kills another unit with exp value which you can set |
| 09:31.49 | duckies | you also can set if exp from kill goes just to killer is is spread around with nearby unts |
| 09:32.12 | Teratron | but this is not implemented in vanilla sc2 right ? |
| 09:32.31 | Teratron | for score at the end, it's just the score for unit kills |
| 09:33.00 | duckies | look up data fields, some of them should have something like "exp" in them |
| 09:33.16 | duckies | cause I'm pretty sure that it has been around for quite a while |
| 09:33.32 | duckies | google up mapsters tutorials on the subject? |
| 09:33.43 | duckies | or ask kueken, he knows everything |
| 09:33.45 | Teratron | but can I implement C&C style veterancy with triggers ? or it will lead to unit ID issues |
| 09:33.59 | Teratron | if Triggering Unit is used too much |
| 09:34.10 | duckies | can you tell more about C&C styled veteranicy? |
| 09:34.26 | Teratron | you never played C&C lol ? |
| 09:34.34 | duckies | I played it too long ago |
| 09:34.55 | Teratron | it's the same as in every C&C |
| 09:35.03 | Kueken | Teratron: you can most likely do something like that without altering the unit's ID |
| 09:35.34 | Kueken | like giving the unit an alternate weapon, which is enabled only when it has a certain behavior |
| 09:35.42 | Kueken | being your veterancy indicator |
| 09:35.54 | Teratron | i meant with ID that with the use if Triggering Unit, it won't work for every single specific on the map because it would require the scripts to run in threads for each |
| 09:36.10 | Kueken | this behavior could also have the perks associated with veterancy, like regeneration, increased damage and firerate etc |
| 09:36.11 | Teratron | and I'm not as good in scripts to do that kind of advanced code |
| 09:36.29 | Kueken | not sure what you mean |
| 09:36.58 | Kueken | you can probably do the entire thing in data, by using actual veterancy behaviors on the units |
| 09:37.32 | Kueken | and via trigger should be no problem as well, custom value for unit comes in handy here |
| 09:37.46 | Kueken | (like a variable you can store and read for a specific unit) |
| 09:38.15 | Teratron | how would the code apply to new units ? |
| 09:38.22 | Teratron | if in triggers |
| 09:39.13 | Teratron | ah ill figure it |
| 09:41.20 | Teratron | C&C veteranacy has 3 levels, each level increases rof, attack damage, speed of the unit and healing |
| 09:41.42 | Teratron | that's about it duckies |
| 09:42.18 | Teratron | and the levels are gained by how much EXP it gained which is why im looking for this EXP thing |
| 09:42.19 | duckies | so, it just applies a buff that increases some units stats |
| 09:42.27 | Kueken | highest level also usually provided an alternate weapon, much more powerful than standard |
| 09:43.01 | Kueken | at least in red alert 2, didn't play much c&c besides that |
| 09:43.08 | duckies | it kinda feels like it's possible purely in data |
| 09:43.18 | Kueken | I would think so as well |
| 09:43.25 | Teratron | because, if i use "amount of units killed" it will not be fair because you can kill 30 zerglings and have 3 levels while someone else could struggle with 30 ultralisks |
| 09:43.47 | duckies | but I haven't ever used veteranicy, so please listen to the other bird |
| 09:43.54 | Kueken | yeah, in c&c, the basic riflemen would be max lvl after 2 or 3 kills |
| 09:44.04 | Kueken | while huge tanks took forever |
| 09:44.42 | Kueken | this can be easily configured in data, though |
| 09:44.55 | Kueken | you can specify how much xp each unit provides on kill |
| 09:45.10 | Teratron | what is this param called exactly |
| 09:45.13 | Kueken | and you can specify how much xp is needed on lvlup in the veterancy behavior |
| 09:45.17 | Teratron | i'll just serch for EXP |
| 09:45.25 | Kueken | bounty - experience |
| 09:45.28 | Kueken | or something |
| 09:45.34 | Kueken | its in the bounty section |
| 09:45.49 | Teratron | so this won't interfeere with anything else ? |
| 09:46.09 | Teratron | it's not used right |
| 09:46.53 | A1win | nothing uses it by default |
| 09:47.05 | Teratron | I only found Combat: Kill Experience |
| 09:49.13 | Kueken | my bad then |
| 09:49.21 | Kueken | combat - kill experience sounds correct |
| 09:50.47 | Teratron | this is alread used |
| 09:50.53 | Teratron | it's 160 for example colossus |
| 09:51.14 | Bommes | wtf, I get a Custom Layout related error message like every 5th or 6th time I start my map on average |
| 09:51.17 | A1win | it's not used, just set |
| 09:51.18 | Teratron | Maybe this is already balanced but does nothing |
| 09:51.22 | Bommes | but the error message makes no sense and I don't know what causes it |
| 09:51.24 | A1win | probably used in campaign for heroes |
| 09:51.27 | Bommes | I hate errors like that |
| 09:51.43 | A1win | or is it... |
| 09:51.51 | Teratron | This is melee and colossus |
| 09:52.09 | Teratron | and WOL |
| 09:52.12 | A1win | well there's the blizzard exp thing |
| 09:52.13 | Kueken | the player gets battlenet xp when killing stuff, maybe thats related |
| 09:52.17 | A1win | for ladder stuff |
| 09:52.29 | Teratron | i though yeah |
| 09:52.36 | A1win | but that doesn't work on custom maps anyway |
| 09:52.38 | Kueken | but they had those xp field set before that existed |
| 09:52.41 | Teratron | it's connected to graphs in score screen probably |
| 09:52.45 | A1win | mmh true |
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| 09:53.00 | A1win | nah score stuff is separate |
| 09:53.33 | Kueken | pretty sure the xp fields are not used by default, only in the campaign |
| 09:53.55 | Kueken | but since they don't hurt to be set in multiplayer, they didn't bother to only set them in campaign |
| 09:53.57 | A1win | wol campaign didn't have exp |
| 09:54.10 | A1win | and hots campaign didn't have exp from kills |
| 09:54.25 | Kueken | well, maybe some sort of "if we ever"" |
| 09:54.31 | Kueken | w/e |
| 09:54.33 | Kueken | it works |
| 09:54.48 | A1win | or just something specifically made for the modders ;p |
| 09:54.52 | Kueken | many people have used it in maps before |
| 09:55.11 | Kueken | nah, that almost sounds like Blizzard being nice to us |
| 09:55.19 | Kueken | that can't be it |
| 09:55.32 | A1win | there's lot of stuff like that |
| 09:55.45 | Kueken | I am ware |
| 09:55.47 | Kueken | *a |
| 09:55.55 | Teratron | i think it was made upfront specifically for mods maybe |
| 09:56.19 | Teratron | it's all set im looking, all have nice, colossus 160, tier 2 120 , probe has 10 |
| 09:56.29 | Teratron | i don't have to set anything in here, it's all balanced nicely |
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| 10:05.13 | G0A | anybody ever managed to change scroll zoom levels under game? (I tried with catalog and field reference change but it doesnt allow that) |
| 10:06.07 | A1win | if you don't need many versions, you could just make a new camera for each setup |
| 10:06.14 | A1win | new camera data that is |
| 10:12.10 | G0A | I did that |
| 10:12.33 | G0A | than I tried to change the reference and the link the terrain type |
| 10:12.38 | G0A | but it didnt allow it |
| 10:12.50 | G0A | hmm or I cant change reference of default stuff? |
| 10:13.12 | A1win | I'm pretty sure there's a trigger action to change a player's camera data |
| 10:13.53 | A1win | Set Camera Data |
| 10:14.41 | G0A | ahh |
| 10:15.27 | G0A | also is there a way to detect if somebody uses target effect, but not yet targeted anything |
| 10:15.45 | A1win | no |
| 10:15.51 | A1win | targeting is asynchronous |
| 10:15.58 | A1win | I mean pre-targeting is |
| 10:16.18 | A1win | you can only detect it with actors |
| 10:16.31 | A1win | can't use it in script or anything |
| 10:16.37 | G0A | k |
| 10:17.04 | G0A | thats so sad |
| 10:17.17 | G0A | though it makes logic making it asynch |
| 10:18.17 | A1win | if it wasn't, you'd have to wait before you can start targeting |
| 10:18.33 | G0A | I know |
| 10:19.09 | G0A | need to find an alternative |
| 10:19.26 | G0A | can I trigger pretargeting phase somehow? |
| 10:21.31 | G0A | seems not |
| 10:22.49 | Kueken | for altering camera max zoom, I just added additional zoom levels to the default camera in data |
| 10:23.16 | Kueken | and no, you cannot enter target selection of an ability by other means than player input |
| 10:23.21 | G0A | Kueken I know, that but I wanted to change it ingame |
| 10:23.57 | G0A | changing the whole camera layout is even better:) |
| 10:24.03 | G0A | so thx A1win |
| 10:24.31 | Kueken | if applicable for you game, you could make an invisible ability button for the whole screen, so the player would enter targeting mode when he click |
| 10:24.32 | Kueken | s |
| 10:25.03 | A1win | no way to get that button to disappear after he's clicked it though ;p |
| 10:25.08 | A1win | well, except with mouse clicked event |
| 10:25.09 | Kueken | would be cancelable via right-click or deselecting the unit, though |
| 10:25.41 | A1win | or by pressing esc |
| 10:27.24 | G0A | interesting alternative:D |
| 10:28.20 | A1win | can't make it failsafe |
| 10:39.58 | G0A | hmm which flag set that if I use an ability then the all selected units use that ability instead of just 1? |
| 10:40.51 | A1win | send to selection somewhere |
| 10:41.20 | A1win | not sure if it's where the other ability flags are or some other field |
| 10:45.01 | G0A | ahh its in the commands:D |
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| 11:03.55 | Kueken | G0A: the "Best Unit" flag |
| 11:05.00 | A1win | that just chooses the best unit to cast it, not all |
| 11:10.07 | zenx_ | 2nd day in a row...went shopping...forgot ketchup... |
| 11:10.25 | A1win | it's a sign |
| 11:16.50 | Kueken | A1win: if best unit is disabled, all units cast. if best unit is enabled, one casts at a time |
| 11:17.02 | A1win | oh? ._o |
| 11:17.18 | A1win | then what does send to selection do? |
| 11:17.28 | G0A | probably it over writes if selected units enabled |
| 11:17.35 | Kueken | that enables other unit types with the same ability to cast as well |
| 11:17.38 | A1win | or maybe it is required for the best unit flag to do anything |
| 11:17.44 | A1win | ah |
| 11:17.45 | G0A | ohh |
| 11:17.51 | Kueken | like marines and marauders both casting stim, when you issue it to marines |
| 11:18.18 | A1win | yeah I imagined that'd be done using the ability link but I guess that's just for different abilities acting as the same one |
| 11:18.27 | Kueken | (actually they use different abilities but also use a field to match their id) |
| 11:19.13 | Kueken | marauder stim costs 20 hp, I believe, marine only 10 |
| 11:19.48 | A1win | hmm... now where was I D: |
| 11:20.01 | A1win | got stuck editing my android: netrunner deck ;p |
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| 12:38.19 | ahg5rh | hey |
| 12:38.28 | ahg5rh | how do i add link in description |
| 12:38.36 | ahg5rh | i published a map |
| 12:38.43 | ahg5rh | i want to add some link in description |
| 12:40.01 | ahg5rh | map info link description |
| 12:40.56 | A1win | can't do that I'm afraid |
| 12:43.33 | ahg5rh | i saw someone added link in map info description |
| 12:44.41 | A1win | well, not a clickable link |
| 12:44.44 | duckies | kueken ! I've got a question about beam. I want to launch a missile to enemy, missile has beam from itself to casters hand. When missile hits enemy it makes beam to be between caster/target instead, and a few seconds later caster launches another missile at target, and casters side of beam is bound to that new missile (so pretty much beams second part is returning to target) |
| 12:45.00 | A1win | or at least not that I'm aware of |
| 12:45.12 | A1win | there's one spot for a clickable link in map options but that's shown in the side bar I think |
| 12:46.02 | Kueken | duckies: Clarify the last part, please |
| 12:47.18 | ahg5rh | how do i add a link in map description? |
| 12:48.25 | duckies | kueken : you've got a chain. you launch your huge towards enemy. a few seconds after chain hits enemy your side of chain also thursts towards target. |
| 12:49.06 | duckies | *huge chain |
| 12:49.13 | Kueken | ah |
| 12:49.13 | A1win | you can add a clickable link in Map - Battle.net Info, "General" tab, "Website" field, other than that, I don't think you can add clickable links (but you can always add the link as text with a color, for example) |
| 12:49.39 | Kueken | so first, connection is caster to missile, then caster to target, then target to new missile starting from caster |
| 12:49.50 | duckies | yes |
| 12:50.18 | duckies | damn, you explain it much better than I :D |
| 12:50.49 | Kueken | well, it might be possible to adjust sites dynamically so you can use a single beam for the entire thing, but its probably easier to realize by using 3 separate beams for the 3 sections |
| 12:51.54 | Kueken | the beams should be easily doable, by just setting the Host Subects to _Unit and _Missile respectively and setting the Host Scopes to Caster or Target |
| 12:52.15 | Kueken | does this help already or do I need to be more specific? |
| 12:53.23 | duckies | it helps, I've got vauge understanding of how it probably needs to be done now. I'll try it out when I get home and bother you some more if I can't get it working |
| 12:53.36 | Kueken | ok |
| 12:58.17 | zenx_ | there is manga for assasings creed 4 |
| 12:58.19 | zenx_ | pretty weird |
| 12:58.20 | A1win | hotkey display on action bar, and weapon name display while selecting weapons on stations: http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a68/SC2%202013-09-17%2015-57-03-62.jpg |
| 12:58.57 | A1win | the QWER keys are for firing weapon without selecting and 1-4 keys are for selecting the weapon slot |
| 12:59.15 | A1win | hopefully that's easy enough to realize |
| 12:59.47 | zenx_ | when is that gona be released |
| 12:59.49 | zenx_ | nice UI |
| 13:00.50 | A1win | dunno, depends on how long it takes to implement enough fun weapons and make art assets |
| 13:01.38 | A1win | and come up with a name :P |
| 13:01.47 | A1win | that'll probably take the longest |
| 13:04.02 | A1win | pew pew http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a68/SC2%202013-09-17%2016-03-36-42.jpg |
| 13:04.45 | Dustin | Looks awesome A1win |
| 13:04.48 | Bommes | aaaand I crashed the editor |
| 13:06.15 | Kueken | gz for a job well done1 |
| 13:06.26 | Bommes | fuckin actor events |
| 13:06.34 | Kueken | it doesn't deserve anything else |
| 13:20.40 | G0A | A1win you better button shortcut to right bottom and number to left bottom or left top |
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| 13:25.07 | A1win | they are both hotkeys |
| 13:25.13 | A1win | just for different purposes |
| 13:25.24 | A1win | but dunno |
| 13:31.47 | Teratron | hello |
| 13:32.01 | Teratron | how would i make region deal damage only when the unit is in region |
| 13:32.09 | Teratron | eg "hot lava" |
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| 13:32.44 | Teratron | Any unit Enters region doesn't appear it would work for unit staying in region |
| 13:33.44 | A1win | well if you want to use the enters/leaves events, you could apply a buff to the unit when it enters and remove the buff when it leaves |
| 13:33.52 | A1win | and set up the buff to deal periodic damage to the unit |
| 13:37.04 | Kueken | alternatively pick all units in the region periodically and deal damage |
| 13:37.55 | Kueken | the hot lava from the WoL campaign missions also has a check for TerrainZ, so only units below a certain terrain level get damaged |
| 13:40.52 | zenx_ | once again I wonder: to map or not to map |
| 13:43.50 | G0A | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:56.38 | zenx_ | ok now this fucjking windows phone makes me want to throw it into a wall |
| 13:56.46 | zenx_ | I DONNT WANT TO LINK FUCKING WINDOWS LIVE ACCOUNT |
| 13:56.51 | zenx_ | fucking microsoft |
| 14:05.46 | zenx_ | WELL |
| 14:05.54 | zenx_ | done |
| 14:06.00 | zenx_ | does anyone else got windows phone? |
| 14:06.31 | A1win | I have no smart phone at all |
| 14:06.47 | zenx_ | windows live is something I can only hate |
| 14:07.06 | zenx_ | it shouldnt be such a piece of shit |
| 14:07.08 | zenx_ | but it is |
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| 14:47.35 | Dustin|Work | Hope I can find a copy of GTAV after work today |
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| 17:24.16 | Dustin|Work | Jesus is quiet today |
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| 17:24.32 | Fate_ | amen |
| 17:32.21 | Kueken | jesus is not in the channel currently |
| 17:32.37 | Fate_ | halejula |
| 17:32.43 | Kueken | assuming you are referring to stewox |
| 17:33.18 | Kueken | you don't want to be anywhere near me btw |
| 17:33.39 | Fate_ | y not? |
| 17:33.44 | Kueken | there is a 5 feet death zone around my body |
| 17:33.57 | Kueken | also known as the Garlic Cloud |
| 17:34.06 | Dustin|Work | Well i just had LAsanga |
| 17:34.10 | Dustin|Work | I could use a bit of garlic |
| 17:34.46 | Kueken | I had garlic marinated baked potatoes with a dip consisting mostly of garlic :D |
| 17:34.55 | Dustin|Work | Mmmmmm |
| 17:35.12 | Dustin|Work | So we've confirmed Kueken and I are not Vampires |
| 17:35.35 | Kueken | nah, I will evaporate in sunlight |
| 17:35.41 | Kueken | the garlic thing is a myth |
| 17:36.17 | Kueken | also that all vampires are sexy? not true :-* |
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| 17:39.25 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 17:40.24 | zenx | are you glad |
| 17:40.33 | zenx | apparently tehre is project DUSTIN by the chinese |
| 17:54.07 | Bommes | did the Site stuff work out in the end Fate? |
| 17:54.21 | Fate_ | no |
| 17:54.39 | Fate_ | i hat that site stuff -.- |
| 17:54.52 | Fate_ | but i need it often |
| 17:57.06 | Fate_ | if i dont find a way all make a post on mapster |
| 18:00.37 | Bommes | hold on |
| 18:01.33 | Dustin|Work | Lol a project Dustin huh, didn't know I was that famous in china |
| 18:03.16 | Bommes | i'll make an example map real quick fate |
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| 18:05.28 | Fate_ | oh cool |
| 18:05.40 | Fate_ | that would be nice Bommes |
| 18:05.52 | zenx | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/netherlands/10314705/Sugar-is-addictive-and-the-most-dangerous-drug-of-the-times.html |
| 18:05.59 | zenx | I think im addicted to sugar |
| 18:06.07 | Dustin|Work | Yup |
| 18:06.11 | zenx | cant go more than a few days without it |
| 18:06.24 | Dustin|Work | I use to be addicted to caffene bad |
| 18:06.30 | Dustin|Work | Would get headaches if I didnt have it |
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| 18:12.28 | Bommes | hold on a few more seconds :) basically got it but something weird is happening there |
| 18:12.44 | Bommes | just want to double check |
| 18:12.49 | zenx | so you use coffee anymore? |
| 18:12.58 | zenx | or rather cafeine |
| 18:13.10 | Dustin|Work | Ya, just in lower quanities now and more spread out |
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| 18:15.17 | Bommes | okay I chose the stupidest model possible for this because the marauder model actually spawns particles in his attack animation |
| 18:15.29 | Bommes | so the particles you are seeing on the marauder there are nothing data related, they are from the animation on the model |
| 18:15.34 | Bommes | sec uploading |
| 18:16.12 | Fate_ | i have an eye for the details it will be okey |
| 18:18.25 | Bommes | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9962/BasicSite.SC2Map |
| 18:18.57 | Bommes | again, it's probably not the best demonstration but I think you can get the basic setup out of it |
| 18:19.27 | Fate_ | okey |
| 18:20.07 | Bommes | I also increased the scale of the Marauder Launch Asset Model a little bit |
| 18:20.29 | Bommes | so its more clear and you see that it comes from the marine and not the marauder |
| 18:20.54 | Fate_ | testing now |
| 18:21.27 | Bommes | although the attachment point looks also kinda weird and I don't know why |
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| 18:21.42 | Bommes | I think the marauder weapon is just a bad demonstration for this ^^ |
| 18:21.52 | Fate_ | hm |
| 18:22.27 | Fate_ | can u make the launch point the weapon attachment for the marine? |
| 18:23.21 | Bommes | it is, just the assets look weird |
| 18:23.32 | Bommes | change the launch asset model from marauder attack launch to marine attach launch |
| 18:23.47 | Bommes | in the marauder attack actor |
| 18:24.00 | Bommes | then you see that it is attached to the marine weapon attachment point |
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| 18:27.38 | Fate_ | okey testing that now |
| 18:28.03 | Fate_ | yep i see it now |
| 18:28.24 | Bommes | also the weapon start point isn't perfectly synched |
| 18:28.50 | Bommes | because the animation time where the marauder lifts his weapon is shorter than the marine, so it already fires when the marine is still in the motion of aiming |
| 18:28.56 | Bommes | so it looks like it comes a little bit from the side |
| 18:29.05 | Bommes | but that's just a weapon timing issue I think |
| 18:29.14 | Fate_ | okey |
| 18:29.30 | Fate_ | then ill take a look on what you did now |
| 18:30.49 | Bommes | if you change the damage point of the marauderweapon to something like 0.25-0.35 or so it should look right |
| 18:32.47 | Bommes | Also maybe we should just post this short example map on Mapster, since there aren't all that many threads about it |
| 18:33.06 | Fate_ | yep |
| 18:33.25 | Fate_ | would you do that :)? |
| 18:34.43 | Bommes | kk |
| 18:37.03 | Fate_ | hm |
| 18:37.15 | Fate_ | testing now |
| 18:37.59 | Bommes | everything working? |
| 18:38.10 | Fate_ | no i missed sth |
| 18:38.20 | Fate_ | i am just slow in that |
| 18:38.56 | Bommes | did you set the host of the site actor to your weapon model? |
| 18:39.52 | Fate_ | yep |
| 18:44.36 | Bommes | maybe your model is missing the HardPoint Attachment Point that I used to attach the Site to the model actor? |
| 18:44.51 | Bommes | dunno why I always use HardPoint for that, Origin should work as well |
| 18:45.21 | Bommes | also |
| 18:45.26 | Dustin|Work | HArdpoint moves with the models animations usually where origin is static |
| 18:45.43 | Bommes | hmm, but does that matter for Sites? |
| 18:45.51 | Bommes | I think it should be fine |
| 18:46.05 | Bommes | one thing that you can easily miss Fate_ is the "Launch Force Site" Action flag in the attack actor |
| 18:46.07 | Dustin|Work | I'm not sure, it might if the unit is animating |
| 18:46.24 | Bommes | no idea, might be true |
| 18:46.30 | Fate_ | hm |
| 18:46.38 | Dustin|Work | Would be a good test for posterity though |
| 18:47.34 | Fate_ | no its not that flag thats wrong |
| 18:47.49 | Fate_ | i hope the problem is not the model |
| 18:48.48 | Bommes | if in doubt ask Kueken, I think he knows way more about Sites than I do :) |
| 18:49.46 | Bommes | maybe he has an idea if there are certain requirements for the model that you want to use or if there are other things that you change in the site actor to make it work |
| 18:49.47 | Kueken | Actually, I tend to avoid using custom sites wherever I can :p |
| 18:49.57 | Kueken | for most applications they are simply not needed |
| 18:50.10 | Kueken | so |
| 18:50.15 | Kueken | does the Jade |
| 18:50.21 | Kueken | whats the Design? |
| 18:50.59 | Bommes | how are you attaching all the launch assets etc correctly then for your baneblade for example? |
| 18:51.02 | Fate_ | i am still on it i maybe i found the misstake now |
| 18:51.04 | Bommes | always thought you did that with sites |
| 18:51.33 | Bommes | with the launch force site flag in the action actor |
| 18:51.37 | Kueken | I think I might use some sites here and there, yes |
| 18:52.00 | Fate_ | XD |
| 18:52.04 | Kueken | I tend to avoid whenever I can, but for some cases I didn't find a possibility yet :D |
| 18:52.10 | Fate_ | okey the positon works now |
| 18:52.53 | Fate_ | but the launch animation is somehow looking at the wrong direcktion |
| 18:52.56 | Fate_ | XD |
| 18:53.52 | Kueken | add SOpForwardTargetUnit or -Point |
| 18:54.50 | Fate_ | http://snag.gy/xaxRi.jpg |
| 18:54.51 | Bommes | or SOpForwardNorth so it always faces to the top direction |
| 18:54.51 | Fate_ | XD |
| 18:54.58 | Bommes | then it's correct for 1/360 of the time at least |
| 18:55.27 | Kueken | :D |
| 18:55.32 | Bommes | that was my most disappointing discovery yesterday |
| 18:55.46 | Bommes | I wanted to use the built in Forward Vectors for something (actor should always point down) |
| 18:55.54 | Bommes | and it had SOpForwardNorth, East, West |
| 18:55.56 | Bommes | but no South |
| 18:56.03 | Kueken | :D |
| 18:56.03 | Bommes | South was named "SOpForwardDefault" |
| 18:56.12 | Bommes | ... |
| 18:56.58 | Kueken | consistent names ftw |
| 18:57.08 | Bommes | indeed |
| 18:57.19 | Fate_ | so waht do i do now? |
| 18:57.39 | Bommes | go to the action actor |
| 18:57.55 | Bommes | and look for launch site operations or something like that |
| 18:58.21 | Bommes | and add the SOpForwardTargetPoint or something |
| 18:59.42 | Bommes | although that probably looks kinda stupid if you have height differences |
| 18:59.59 | Bommes | you should probably use a different forward vector |
| 19:01.34 | Fate_ | in model previewer it looks like the attachment point is looking foreward -.- |
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| 19:06.13 | intanjir | Anyone ever get the unloadunit transport ability command to work, or for that matter unload validators? |
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| 19:12.07 | Fate_ | http://snag.gy/bjGpi.jpg |
| 19:12.23 | Fate_ | works fine now |
| 19:12.36 | Fate_ | thank you a lot |
| 19:12.45 | halides | pretty |
| 19:14.58 | duckies | hey int, sorry, don't have any experience with transports :/ |
| 19:15.37 | intanjir | hey ducky =) |
| 19:16.23 | intanjir | yeah i am goofing off and trying to make a unit that shoots droppods transports as missiles |
| 19:17.27 | duckies | what's causing troubles? unit ignores orders? |
| 19:17.34 | intanjir | so i wanted to unload the first few units from the launcher unit and have them load into the droppod missile, but there doesn't seem to be a straightforward way |
| 19:17.55 | duckies | ooh |
| 19:18.04 | duckies | heh, yea, I'm clueless about that =D |
| 19:18.10 | intanjir | well yeah the droppod missile ignores load commands, but you can get around that by making the droppod as a normal unit, then loading it up, then having it launch itself as a missile |
| 19:18.54 | intanjir | i guess i can just have the launcher unload all units, and then very rapidly reload them =/ |
| 19:19.16 | intanjir | reload the ones i dont want to launch i mean |
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| 19:19.59 | intanjir | or i could just kill cargo units and then manually create clones of them in the projectile... probably the easiest way |
| 19:20.19 | intanjir | i just find it kind of weird that there is no way to unload individual units |
| 19:20.38 | intanjir | there is an unloadunit command but it just doesnt seem to do anything |
| 19:20.52 | duckies | :o |
| 19:21.33 | duckies | a command to unload a specific unit, in data? |
| 19:21.38 | intanjir | and most kinds of validators seem to be ignored when used as unload validators... ie a 'target has buff validator' is ignored |
| 19:21.46 | intanjir | doesnt have to be data |
| 19:21.52 | intanjir | I'm no purist |
| 19:22.07 | duckies | yeaah, I know that :D |
| 19:22.11 | intanjir | hehe |
| 19:23.30 | intanjir | I think the unloadunit command is intended to work the same as the user clicking the unit in the cargo hold he wants to unload |
| 19:24.06 | intanjir | but it just doesn't seem to work... guess blizz never debugged it cause they never used it |
| 19:24.48 | duckies | where exactly is that unload command? |
| 19:25.50 | intanjir | When you look at a transport ability |
| 19:25.55 | intanjir | and click commands |
| 19:26.07 | intanjir | normal abilities only have like 2 commands: execute and cancel |
| 19:26.46 | intanjir | transport abilities have several more... unload all, load target, unload all, unload target, load all, etc |
| 19:27.29 | duckies | oh, cool, didn't know that. |
| 19:28.33 | duckies | so you've added a button to "unload target", tried to use it through trigger via give unit order towards unit and it didn't work? |
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| 19:29.58 | intanjir | yup |
| 19:30.34 | intanjir | i think its also possible to do it without adding a button to the command |
| 19:30.38 | intanjir | if you use raw data |
| 19:30.44 | intanjir | but i did it the normal way |
| 19:31.05 | intanjir | like in raw data you just enter the index of the command |
| 19:31.59 | duckies | =| |
| 19:36.01 | zenx | I have entered zombie mode |
| 19:36.12 | zenx | producoing messy code but getting stuff done slowly |
| 19:41.00 | duckies | Int, I've tried and now I'm even more clueless than you are |
| 19:41.10 | duckies | zenxu, the end justifies the means, eh? :D |
| 19:41.28 | intanjir | So when you order a transport to unload a specific unit by clicking the cargo hold... would this trigger some 'unit is issued order' event? |
| 19:42.11 | duckies | I imagine |
| 19:42.35 | zenx | yes |
| 19:42.39 | intanjir | So in theory there must be some string one can convert to an order to make it happen? |
| 19:42.45 | zenx | Im kind of at the point where I jsut want something new to play |
| 19:47.10 | duckies | int, "unload target" = unload all units from carrier order, "unload unit" = unload specific unit by clicking on it order is what the game tells us, but I have no idea how trigger it D: |
| 19:47.38 | duckies | it's like they were meant to be used just for inner workings as you said |
| 19:48.06 | intanjir | where does it say this? |
| 19:48.41 | duckies | it says this when I make events to give me messages when medivac unloads stuff |
| 19:49.25 | duckies | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.44 | intanjir | ahh |
| 19:50.18 | duckies | when I use "unload all" command it tells it used "unload target" |
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| 19:52.46 | duckies | hey arcane |
| 19:53.06 | duckies | you know anything about ordering transport to unload specific units? |
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| 19:54.12 | Bommes | Hmm, Diablo 3 auction house going to shut down |
| 19:54.19 | Bommes | in March |
| 19:54.44 | Dustin|Work | Good |
| 19:54.49 | Dustin|Work | It was a bad idea |
| 19:55.50 | duckies | btw zenx, lately I've come to value structured and systemized code more than progress. I know that I'm guaranteed to leave for break at some point, and when I come back I won't remember anything. so leaving comments and making sure that code is easily traceable (for questions on how everything works) has become top priority for me :| |
| 19:56.08 | zenx | thats smart indeed |
| 19:56.42 | zenx | I got the basic code organized pretty well |
| 19:56.46 | zenx | but now im slacking |
| 19:57.37 | duckies | damnit. with AH gone and devs willing to throw in some insane item properties d3 exp might actually be fun and make me want to get it on day one, thus breaking my will to be bitter and spiteful |
| 19:57.39 | duckies | what a shame |
| 19:58.25 | duckies | I'll go read more about it, thanks for the headsup bommes! |
| 19:59.11 | zenx | I never really thought the auction house was the main issue |
| 20:00.04 | Dustin|Work | For me it was lack of fun engaging content |
| 20:00.07 | Fate_ | ahh |
| 20:00.13 | Dustin|Work | Whole game jsut felt like a grind to me |
| 20:00.13 | Fate_ | now it works perfeckly^^ |
| 20:00.30 | Fate_ | after trying about 20 sop |
| 20:00.37 | Fate_ | i made my own |
| 20:01.02 | Triceron | Good thing they're finally bringing that down |
| 20:01.19 | Triceron | but I guess they had to. They wouldn't be selling any expansions otherwise. |
| 20:02.57 | zenx | hmpf |
| 20:03.00 | intanjir | ok You can queue the order to unload an individual unit, so it should then be possible to examine all the orders in the queue |
| 20:03.07 | zenx | from 12 spells iv made recently only 1 seems cool |
| 20:03.18 | zenx | perhaps I shouldnt be bothered by it |
| 20:05.01 | duckies | @d3, now I just hope that they won't remove that silly "everythign is based on your weapons damage" principle. Otherwise they'll have me in their clutch again. And I'll even be hapy to be there with their sweet promises interesting & op item properties, ladders and all sotrs of engaging stuff |
| 20:05.47 | duckies | no, be bothered zenxu, only by giving a damn will you become a better man! |
| 20:06.06 | intanjir | if i have an order, how do i convert that into a string/text i can display to the user? |
| 20:06.11 | zenx | how dissapointing I was wishing you would be happy with mediocre spells |
| 20:06.20 | Dustin|Work | There should be a function to convert Order to String |
| 20:06.24 | Dustin|Work | or Text |
| 20:06.26 | Dustin|Work | One of those |
| 20:06.27 | zenx | anyway I still plan to leave them shitty and change later if I need to |
| 20:07.08 | intanjir | doesn't seem to be a conversion function for orders |
| 20:08.24 | Bommes | holy crap GTA V looks really good considering it's still on the old consoles |
| 20:08.37 | Bommes | http://www.twitch.tv/itmeJP |
| 20:08.43 | duckies | returning to them later will seem to you like a chore and will only further demotivate your already bored persona zen ;/ |
| 20:08.47 | intanjir | oh there is a conversion for game link... and that appears to let me look at ability commands |
| 20:08.47 | Bommes | the water looks really impressive |
| 20:08.57 | Dustin|Work | My wife picked up my copy earlier |
| 20:09.01 | Dustin|Work | Waiting to get off work to play it |
| 20:09.05 | duckies | int, again, no idea =D |
| 20:09.17 | Bommes | the viewing distance is also crazy |
| 20:09.31 | duckies | anyway I'm back to making cool loking spells |
| 20:09.35 | duckies | that reminds me |
| 20:10.41 | duckies | kueken ! what you said worked perfectly, I think it was the first time doing something with beams didn't screw me over for a day. tyvm <3 |
| 20:10.46 | zenx | I wish I could change my ways |
| 20:10.48 | zenx | but I cannot |
| 20:11.51 | Kueken | great |
| 20:12.11 | zenx | but I still wish to have this shit done fast |
| 20:12.20 | zenx | like in a week most I wana have playable version |
| 20:12.25 | zenx | wheter its shitty or not |
| 20:13.32 | duckies | do what you must, each of us finds our own way to work, and each way deserves respect for having things be actually done so that we continue to create and inspire! |
| 20:13.53 | duckies | hm, okay, yea, I need to dring some tea, I don't feel too well |
| 20:14.02 | zenx | you should indeed |
| 20:14.02 | duckies | *drink damnit! |
| 20:14.09 | zenx | I do not feel inspired by that |
| 20:15.41 | duckies | well, maybe that will inspire you then! |
| 20:15.46 | duckies | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.57 | duckies | well damn |
| 20:16.04 | zenx | *cries |
| 20:16.05 | duckies | facepalms |
| 20:16.34 | intanjir | ok, it has told me that when the user clicks the cargohold that it issues an Unload Unit command, and not an Unload Target command |
| 20:16.54 | intanjir | via querying the order queue of a medivac |
| 20:17.02 | duckies | yea, unload target is "unload the carrier" |
| 20:17.16 | intanjir | but the unload unit command doesn't have any kind of target allowed for it |
| 20:17.22 | duckies | yup |
| 20:17.31 | intanjir | so how the heck do you tell it which unit you are unloading lol |
| 20:17.45 | duckies | bizzare, isn't it?.. we need some blizz staff in here! |
| 20:18.08 | duckies | I'd ask purl when they were last here, but I don't even remember their names anymore |
| 20:18.47 | duckies | so sad, time to go find happynes on the bottom of my teapot |
| 20:19.08 | intanjir | hehe |
| 20:21.31 | zenx | fine duckies |
| 20:21.38 | zenx | you forced me to redo 1 spell |
| 20:22.54 | ArcanePariah | To answer the unload question, the default transport ability does not have a button assigned to unload a unit, so you will need to do that for it to show up in the trigger editor, it will be an targeted order, still working on how to target it |
| 20:24.56 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so it thinks Unload Unit is a non targeted ability, interesting |
| 20:25.03 | intanjir | right |
| 20:25.39 | ArcanePariah | Ok... interesting |
| 20:27.23 | intanjir | ikr lol |
| 20:27.42 | intanjir | it is definitely using the Unload Unit command too |
| 20:27.52 | ArcanePariah | Ok... so somehow clicking in the default UI smart issues the command to unload unit. |
| 20:28.00 | intanjir | I'm gonna just guess that this is a wierd bug with the compiler |
| 20:28.23 | intanjir | and the compiler thinks it is wrong to generate an order with a target for that command index |
| 20:28.34 | intanjir | but the game would actually handle it just fine |
| 20:28.50 | ArcanePariah | Also I find it intersting that by default, Unload Unit is a hidden command, not to be shown in the command card |
| 20:29.22 | intanjir | yeah how do you get it on the command card? |
| 20:29.35 | intanjir | just making a button for it doesn't work, it still can't be put on there |
| 20:30.18 | ArcanePariah | You need to change the command flag Hidden to disabled |
| 20:30.27 | intanjir | ty |
| 20:31.42 | ArcanePariah | I wonder though, could possibly do the following. Create an effect in data (Issue Order), with order being directed at Medivac and target being the unit to be unloaded, and use a Create effect from unit in triggers to get the same? |
| 20:31.52 | ArcanePariah | Going to give it a try |
| 20:42.37 | intanjir | well i tried just doing a custom script where I did command index 3 with a target, and it compiled fine but just doesn't seem to unload the target still |
| 20:43.07 | intanjir | UnitIssueOrder(lv_unittt, OrderTargetingUnit(AbilityCommand("SporeTransport", 3), lv_unittt2), c_orderQueueReplace); |
| 20:45.48 | intanjir | so I think i know a ridiculous way to do it |
| 20:46.07 | intanjir | Save the order you want to issue to the data table |
| 20:48.28 | intanjir | well assuming the order is stored as something like Unload whatever unit is in slot 2 |
| 20:51.34 | intanjir | oh thats silly |
| 20:51.41 | intanjir | im dumb, you can just make order variables |
| 21:10.38 | intanjir | when i save a queued unload unit order to a variable and then issue it to another unit it will only unload that exact same unit |
| 21:10.56 | intanjir | so it targets a unit |
| 21:11.05 | intanjir | but when i query the target type |
| 21:11.25 | intanjir | it says that it has target type none, ie thats preset value 0 |
| 21:11.37 | intanjir | for the target type of order preset |
| 21:12.23 | intanjir | so i give up lol, i think blizz just somehow accidently made it the wrong target type |
| 21:12.32 | intanjir | back to WoWing it up =) |
| 21:13.54 | intanjir | is there a way to submit it as a bug to blizz and they will actually listen? |
| 21:16.09 | Kueken | I had a similar problem before, except it was the other way around |
| 21:16.39 | Kueken | triggers would identify a non-target order as unit-target instead |
| 21:20.50 | duckies | int, post it on their forum with detailed description and attached mapfile that clearly demonstrates the issue |
| 21:21.21 | duckies | that increases chances of it being fixed from 2% to 14% |
| 21:21.23 | duckies | =D |
| 21:28.30 | Kueken | add a couple of zeros and a . |
| 21:30.46 | intanjir | alright i think i will do that |
| 21:30.58 | intanjir | i dunno what mapfile would demonstrate the issue tho |
| 21:32.10 | duckies | when ppl here complained about a bug their response usually was to link to a topic and create an example map so that they can forward it to bugfix guys |
| 21:33.47 | duckies | so you should pro... zZzZzZzZz |
| 21:34.47 | intanjir | i guess just a mapfile that outputs all the properties of an unload unit order whenever it sees one |
| 21:37.07 | duckies | actually screw that, just create a topic and wish for the best. a map example for such issue would be silly |
| 21:37.26 | duckies | also, don't pay much attention to what I say, it's 12:37 am in here |
| 21:37.56 | duckies | my suggestions might lack reason during this period of time |
| 21:38.07 | intanjir | hehe |
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| 21:49.12 | Zandose | :( |
| 21:52.28 | Zandose | ill settle for anyone talking to me |
| 21:54.12 | Zandose | feels unloved |
| 22:08.38 | Kueken | spreads some love before going to sleep |
| 22:08.46 | Kueken | good night, Zandose |
| 22:08.56 | Kueken | and the rest |
| 22:11.40 | Zandose | can you use a trigger to get a actor to tell you its position? |
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| 22:58.39 | Teratron | hello |
| 22:59.19 | Teratron | how can I make an action work while an unit is inside a region, not just "entered" |
| 23:00.29 | MoonEater | ull have to periodic it |
| 23:00.45 | MoonEater | every couple second pick each unit in region |
| 23:00.51 | MoonEater | and give actions |
| 23:01.02 | MoonEater | u can also do other stuff |
| 23:01.22 | Teratron | ah that |
| 23:01.27 | Teratron | okay |
| 23:01.27 | MoonEater | possibly a faster solution |
| 23:01.36 | MoonEater | would be to keep the enter region event |
| 23:01.45 | Teratron | where ? |
| 23:01.53 | Teratron | before periodic or after |
| 23:02.00 | MoonEater | instead of |
| 23:02.05 | MoonEater | [15:59] <Teratron> how can I make an action work while an unit is inside a region, not just "entered" |
| 23:02.07 | MoonEater | keep that |
| 23:02.12 | MoonEater | then add a while loop |
| 23:02.19 | MoonEater | and the condition would be while in region |
| 23:02.23 | MoonEater | ull want to put a small wait |
| 23:02.50 | MoonEater | remember using the event entered region |
| 23:03.13 | MoonEater | it creates a "thread" for each unit seperatly |
| 23:03.24 | MoonEater | each time that script is run it belongs to a specific unit |
| 23:03.37 | MoonEater | but a while or forever loop in it |
| 23:03.40 | MoonEater | it will always run |
| 23:03.55 | MoonEater | just be carefun not to have a thread overload which would lag the game |
| 23:05.11 | Teratron | i cannot control the threads |
| 23:05.28 | MoonEater | yes u can |
| 23:05.29 | Teratron | i don't control the units that may end up in that area |
| 23:05.37 | MoonEater | thats fine |
| 23:05.38 | Teratron | it's random |
| 23:05.42 | MoonEater | still its ok |
| 23:05.47 | MoonEater | unit enters region |
| 23:05.52 | MoonEater | it gets a thread via event |
| 23:06.01 | MoonEater | the thread/script |
| 23:06.03 | MoonEater | is always the same |
| 23:06.04 | Teratron | i don't understand where to put enters region event |
| 23:06.10 | MoonEater | lol |
| 23:06.13 | MoonEater | looks like this... |
| 23:06.20 | MoonEater | Unit enters region |
| 23:06.41 | MoonEater | while> triggering unit in region > do actions |
| 23:06.45 | MoonEater | thats it |
| 23:06.57 | Teratron | i made this |
| 23:07.00 | Teratron | it didn't work |
| 23:07.05 | Teratron | well |
| 23:07.07 | Teratron | it may work |
| 23:07.07 | MoonEater | theres another issue then |
| 23:07.18 | Teratron | i need to remove condition unit attached to region |
| 23:07.22 | MoonEater | ive done it i know the concept works beyond a doubt |
| 23:07.29 | Teratron | i though that Enters region doesn't fire if it's already in region |
| 23:07.39 | MoonEater | it doesnt |
| 23:07.49 | Teratron | what doesnt * |
| 23:07.50 | Teratron | ? |
| 23:07.53 | MoonEater | the event |
| 23:07.59 | Teratron | what |
| 23:08.03 | MoonEater | enters regions fires once whent he unit enters region |
| 23:08.09 | Teratron | see |
| 23:08.11 | Teratron | i don't want that |
| 23:08.13 | MoonEater | the while loop keeps the scripts going while in region |
| 23:08.22 | Teratron | i don't think so |
| 23:08.25 | Teratron | this logic is weird |
| 23:08.27 | MoonEater | it does |
| 23:08.30 | MoonEater | its not |
| 23:08.33 | MoonEater | when u understand it |
| 23:08.45 | Teratron | if it works, it still doesn't make sense |
| 23:08.46 | MoonEater | the while loop is a loop |
| 23:08.50 | MoonEater | ur causing a infinate loop |
| 23:08.55 | Teratron | the "while" should be controlled by the event |
| 23:09.02 | MoonEater | one that the system cant break free of unless it exits the region |
| 23:09.10 | Teratron | in this case, while is on the action |
| 23:09.12 | Teratron | but i see |
| 23:09.15 | MoonEater | if it doesnt exit the region |
| 23:09.19 | MoonEater | its stuck there forever |
| 23:09.25 | Teratron | the code is probably different than the triggers make it look |
| 23:09.26 | MoonEater | always running |
| 23:09.54 | MoonEater | while is a action that has sub actions |
| 23:10.08 | MoonEater | while in a nut shell emans |
| 23:10.23 | MoonEater | keep doing (while true) then do it again |
| 23:11.09 | MoonEater | event:enter region action:while (1==1){ text message ("running") |
| 23:11.20 | MoonEater | when a unit enters region it will spam running |
| 23:11.29 | MoonEater | forever |
| 23:11.46 | MoonEater | when 2 units enters region they will double up and both spam it 2x more forever |
| 23:12.08 | MoonEater | if the periodic makes more sense |
| 23:12.11 | MoonEater | then do it that way |
| 23:12.45 | MoonEater | the other way will be more effiecient on a larger scale |
| 23:12.59 | Teratron | keep doing the action when event allows it, so i don't understand, the even is therefore mislabeled |
| 23:13.15 | MoonEater | no |
| 23:13.20 | MoonEater | ur not getting it |
| 23:13.21 | MoonEater | XD |
| 23:13.25 | Teratron | i will not |
| 23:13.29 | MoonEater | u should |
| 23:13.33 | MoonEater | fundamental programming |
| 23:13.57 | MoonEater | the event just starts the thread in motion the while loop keep the thread from reading and end and dying |
| 23:14.02 | Teratron | my interpretation of the word "enters" is valid with common sense |
| 23:14.16 | Teratron | this is not programming |
| 23:14.20 | Teratron | this is english language |
| 23:14.33 | Teratron | if it was like you say |
| 23:14.35 | MoonEater | no, its programing and ur trying to make sense with it with english |
| 23:14.38 | MoonEater | ill draw u a diagram |
| 23:14.42 | Teratron | the Event would go "Unit is in Region" |
| 23:14.54 | MoonEater | unit enters region |
| 23:15.02 | Teratron | you don't have to draw me anyting |
| 23:15.13 | Teratron | I' know for my self for sure |
| 23:15.33 | Teratron | I'm correct, but if the game works like you say, it's blizzard's fault what they had in mind |
| 23:15.46 | MoonEater | no, its not. its programing |
| 23:15.51 | MoonEater | all programs work like that |
| 23:15.55 | Teratron | look, i already made the code |
| 23:16.02 | Teratron | i don't need help anymore, going to test it |
| 23:17.11 | MoonEater | if u insist, but at some point u should learn the concept it is fundamental intro to programming concept |
| 23:29.37 | Teratron | this does not work |
| 23:30.06 | Teratron | Critical Error: Core: generic object creatio |
| 23:30.15 | Teratron | generic object creation error |
| 23:30.23 | MoonEater | http://pastebin.com/u8DK5MsC |
| 23:30.26 | MoonEater | that works |
| 23:30.34 | MoonEater | i use it in my game |
| 23:31.09 | Teratron | you didn't told me about any conditions |
| 23:31.27 | MoonEater | i did |
| 23:31.34 | MoonEater | [16:09] <MoonEater> while is a action that has sub actions [16:10] <MoonEater> while in a nut shell emans [16:10] <MoonEater> keep doing (while true) then do it again [16:11] <MoonEater> event:enter region action:while (1==1){ text message ("running") |
| 23:32.26 | MoonEater | [16:08] <MoonEater> the while loop keeps the scripts going while in region |
| 23:32.33 | MoonEater | sounds like a condition to em |
| 23:32.44 | Teratron | no it doesnt |
| 23:32.50 | Teratron | i have no idea where is this condition |
| 23:32.54 | Teratron | i haven't found it |
| 23:32.57 | MoonEater | unit in region |
| 23:33.05 | Teratron | no such thing ever existed |
| 23:33.17 | MoonEater | i just pasted it |
| 23:33.19 | MoonEater | from |
| 23:33.20 | MoonEater | editor |
| 23:33.42 | MoonEater | using 0 custom functions |
| 23:33.47 | Teratron | okay i found it now |
| 23:33.56 | MoonEater | geez stop busting my balls |
| 23:34.24 | Teratron | here have this to feel better now http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1mk1cz/every_zerg_wishes_they_could_do_this/ |
| 23:54.13 | Teratron | i think it works |
| 23:54.22 | Teratron | but it doesn't do action for damage correctly |
| 23:54.31 | Teratron | i probalbly have that set wrongly |
| 23:55.26 | Teratron | oops the error shown up again |
| 23:55.28 | Teratron | wtf is this |
