| 00:00.08 | ArcanePariah | Thanks, I may take you up on that later |
| 00:00.22 | JademusSreg | Also, which libraries are preloaded to the trigger editor can be modified from the Game data. |
| 00:00.23 | ArcanePariah | Moon, let me do some experimentation and examine the UI files |
| 00:01.02 | MoonEater | ya.. |
| 00:01.04 | MoonEater | shit... |
| 00:01.14 | MoonEater | i wish i couls just set hero flags on the fly |
| 00:03.23 | ArcanePariah | Well... let me ask you this, what is your intent for this again, are you trying to make units heros and thus able to be hotkeyed/appear as the game progresses? |
| 00:03.32 | ArcanePariah | ANd how many units would a single player have as possible heros? |
| 00:03.42 | MoonEater | i can work around hot keys and stuff |
| 00:03.51 | MoonEater | i need a easy quickaccess to the players hero |
| 00:03.54 | MoonEater | that looks nice |
| 00:04.36 | ArcanePariah | Well, what you could do instead is set the flag for the unit, but at start, hide the hero icon, and when it becomes a "hero" as the game progresses, just unhide that frame |
| 00:05.12 | Necromoni | i think he doesnt want the "Heroic" at the bottom of the unit stats |
| 00:05.36 | MoonEater | its ok |
| 00:05.38 | MoonEater | if its there |
| 00:05.42 | MoonEater | its more acceptable |
| 00:05.47 | ArcanePariah | Heroic is an armor type iirc, so it has no bearing on the flag |
| 00:05.54 | MoonEater | how would i hide the icon? |
| 00:05.57 | Necromoni | heroic is an armor type.... |
| 00:05.59 | Necromoni | ? |
| 00:06.07 | ArcanePariah | At least I thought it was |
| 00:06.17 | Necromoni | heroic is a unit attribute |
| 00:06.39 | Necromoni | in wc3 it's an armor type |
| 00:06.43 | JademusSreg | Unit attribute, yar. |
| 00:06.45 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 00:06.48 | Necromoni | there are no armor types in sc2 |
| 00:07.06 | ArcanePariah | Ok ,yes, its a Unit attribute, which has no bearing on the Hero Unit flag which causes the unit portratit to appear in the bot right of the screen |
| 00:07.24 | Necromoni | o yea |
| 00:07.30 | Necromoni | i forgot it's the unit flag that does that |
| 00:07.46 | MoonEater | again |
| 00:07.54 | MoonEater | how would i hide the icon on the right? |
| 00:08.26 | ArcanePariah | In triggers, UI section, Show/Hide UI frame |
| 00:08.35 | ArcanePariah | and hide the Hero Panel Frame |
| 00:09.01 | MoonEater | but |
| 00:09.07 | MoonEater | players have more than 1 unit |
| 00:09.12 | MoonEater | when i show it again |
| 00:09.18 | MoonEater | it wil |
| 00:09.22 | MoonEater | show 10000 of them |
| 00:09.41 | MoonEater | the hero is kind of a shape shifter |
| 00:09.45 | MoonEater | or jumper |
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| 00:11.25 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... then you can use Hookups to access the individual Hero Panel instances, there is only 7 of them defined by Blizzard, so you could hook them all up and selectively hide/show them |
| 00:11.30 | Necromoni | so you just want the 1 button to click all of them? |
| 00:12.22 | Necromoni | you could set them to army instead of hero too |
| 00:12.34 | Necromoni | if all you want is an easy way to click the unit |
| 00:13.01 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, you could just select the Army Select Flag and let the F2 Select Army functionality take over |
| 00:14.41 | Necromoni | How hard is it to edit UI? |
| 00:14.54 | ArcanePariah | It's... different |
| 00:15.21 | MoonEater | theres only 1 hero really |
| 00:15.26 | Necromoni | is it really hard to just remove some panels and shift some button's locations |
| 00:15.28 | MoonEater | he changes between regular units |
| 00:15.30 | MoonEater | almost at will |
| 00:15.42 | Necromoni | cuz i need some of tht |
| 00:15.43 | ArcanePariah | You can manipulate and override stuff, and create your own elements, but if you want to interact with them, you will need to write your own triggers to handle the hookups |
| 00:15.47 | MoonEater | which makes a obvious issue of getting him loss in the shuffle |
| 00:15.51 | Necromoni | ah |
| 00:15.53 | MoonEater | so its important to have a way |
| 00:15.58 | MoonEater | to grab him fast |
| 00:15.59 | Necromoni | moon |
| 00:16.00 | Necromoni | just set |
| 00:16.02 | MoonEater | cause iif u lose him |
| 00:16.03 | Necromoni | all the units |
| 00:16.03 | Necromoni | flags |
| 00:16.05 | Necromoni | to Army |
| 00:16.05 | MoonEater | u lsoe the game |
| 00:16.18 | Necromoni | then u can click f2 to select em |
| 00:16.29 | MoonEater | well dialog button is kinda sloppy looking for this |
| 00:16.31 | ArcanePariah | Or better yet moon, just assign the Units control group to some predefined value and tell the players that value |
| 00:16.41 | MoonEater | well i cant |
| 00:16.44 | MoonEater | not on the fly |
| 00:16.45 | ArcanePariah | ??? |
| 00:16.49 | MoonEater | army is preset |
| 00:16.49 | ArcanePariah | Sure you can |
| 00:16.52 | ArcanePariah | triggers can |
| 00:16.57 | ArcanePariah | oh |
| 00:17.02 | ArcanePariah | army flag no, control group yes |
| 00:17.06 | MoonEater | yes |
| 00:17.08 | MoonEater | ur right |
| 00:17.15 | MoonEater | but its not obvious enough i dont think |
| 00:17.24 | MoonEater | maybe ill make a button |
| 00:17.30 | MoonEater | or somthing afterall |
| 00:17.39 | Zandose | is having a record with 11 x 8192 arrays too much? |
| 00:17.43 | ArcanePariah | Then you can change the appearance of the control group button then, add some stuff ot it |
| 00:17.52 | ArcanePariah | Well... waht are you storing in it? |
| 00:18.02 | ArcanePariah | Is it truly dynamic information? |
| 00:18.06 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.06 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.06 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.06 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.06 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.07 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.07 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.07 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.07 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.08 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.08 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.09 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.21 | Zandose | oops too much |
| 00:18.26 | MoonEater | Zandose use pastebin |
| 00:18.31 | MoonEater | ArcanePariah |
| 00:18.44 | MoonEater | its stored in a variable in triggers and behavior on unit |
| 00:18.57 | Zandose | http://pastebin.com/QfcYqGQm |
| 00:18.59 | Zandose | good point |
| 00:19.18 | MoonEater | it can switch units at armory and become a ghost or a tank |
| 00:19.20 | MoonEater | or a ship |
| 00:19.55 | Necromoni | you can use triggers to select it |
| 00:19.59 | Necromoni | when it siwtches |
| 00:20.10 | MoonEater | i know i can |
| 00:20.16 | MoonEater | but i want somthing that looks nice |
| 00:20.20 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... |
| 00:20.21 | MoonEater | that the player can notice and use |
| 00:20.24 | Necromoni | control groups exist |
| 00:20.29 | ArcanePariah | Let me chew on that |
| 00:20.30 | Necromoni | army select |
| 00:20.33 | Necromoni | idle workers |
| 00:20.42 | MoonEater | i mean |
| 00:20.47 | MoonEater | this unit will get lost |
| 00:20.48 | ArcanePariah | Zandose: What are you storing in that record? |
| 00:20.49 | MoonEater | and shit |
| 00:20.56 | Necromoni | so? |
| 00:20.57 | MoonEater | and the player will defininatly need to locate it |
| 00:20.59 | MoonEater | and if it cant |
| 00:21.04 | Necromoni | army select goes away if it gets lost? |
| 00:21.06 | MoonEater | it cant progress or worse |
| 00:21.09 | MoonEater | lose the game |
| 00:21.11 | Necromoni | i dont think so |
| 00:21.20 | MoonEater | army select |
| 00:21.23 | MoonEater | select the hero |
| 00:21.27 | MoonEater | and the entire damn army |
| 00:21.31 | MoonEater | if i do it ur way |
| 00:21.40 | Necromoni | then make your own dialog |
| 00:21.57 | MoonEater | like i said i want it to not look sloppy but i dont have a chioce |
| 00:22.04 | Necromoni | theres no other way |
| 00:22.30 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 00:22.42 | MoonEater | theres jade again... |
| 00:22.44 | MoonEater | ok jade |
| 00:22.46 | MoonEater | lay it on me |
| 00:22.52 | Necromoni | i think he did |
| 00:22.53 | Necromoni | already |
| 00:23.19 | ArcanePariah | Zandose: I don't think you need those massive arrays in the record, you need to make a record with just 1 of each element, and make an array of the record |
| 00:23.58 | Zandose | same thing but different approch |
| 00:24.07 | JademusSreg | I could, but I expect you may have yet another issue to make it not viable. Because you have a habit of not providing complete information about your designs, haha. |
| 00:24.45 | ArcanePariah | Well array of record means you use far less memory by creating only what you need, instead of a massive empty array that you may not ever use |
| 00:24.59 | JademusSreg | Anyway, hijack the warpgate button functionality with selective enabling of a dummy warp train ability. |
| 00:25.16 | JademusSreg | Super lazy, super easy, right up your alley. =D |
| 00:25.27 | Zandose | records pre-allotcate memory while variables dont? |
| 00:26.09 | ArcanePariah | Well... no, it means the same in the end, but I must question what you intend to use those arrays for, I doubt you have 8k different models to store |
| 00:26.31 | ArcanePariah | And also, more to the point, are these arrays going to be changed very much? |
| 00:26.40 | Zandose | true. i can probably cut down a lot by replacing the model data with defaults |
| 00:26.52 | ArcanePariah | Or are the simply references? |
| 00:27.00 | Zandose | i just make it simple for now and was wondering if i'd hit any problems |
| 00:27.18 | Zandose | references i beliewve |
| 00:27.57 | Zandose | random question to everyone. does anything listen to music while using the editor? i find it most helpful. |
| 00:28.32 | MoonEater | JademusSreg |
| 00:28.34 | MoonEater | u jerk |
| 00:29.02 | ArcanePariah | Well, in the data editor is User Types, may be more what you need, it lets you define a custom data type, so you create a data type with given Fields, and then create instances and populate the fields. An example would be the skill descriptions of a RPG class, since those are simply referenced to create the visual appearance and do not change, you can just create a User Type, have it contain... |
| 00:29.03 | ArcanePariah | ...2 Text fields and then create each class. This lets you just loop through it to create the class, and makes it so the trigger code never has to be changed |
| 00:29.44 | Zandose | i dont like data at all |
| 00:29.55 | Zandose | not my cup of tea |
| 00:30.02 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 00:30.09 | Zandose | at my next revision ill compress the code more |
| 00:30.42 | ArcanePariah | Welp... its vastly more efficient, and often more striaghtforward, but I do give you that it is much more of a learning curve, it was aimed at CS/Software people. The user data section is effectively your own database you can create, instead of using memory in code |
| 00:31.35 | Zandose | later on i can dump all the data into a kind of preset/default code bit. |
| 00:31.57 | ArcanePariah | Also, and more importantly, trigger code is simply bigger, using data lets you A) Simplify your code and B) Reduce the map size |
| 00:32.18 | Zandose | maybe its bigger but i get more flexability |
| 00:32.20 | JademusSreg | Zan, those have been the last words of many a programmer. |
| 00:33.08 | ArcanePariah | The problem Zan with doing it later, is any good program builds on itself, so when you go back to change it, you will find many parts linked to what you are changing and have to end up redoing everything anyhow |
| 00:33.10 | Zandose | another question. I have a Mars Sara Bridge which has some data which causes units to go over it. anyone remember what im looking for to turn it off? |
| 00:33.22 | ArcanePariah | That is its footprint |
| 00:33.31 | ArcanePariah | Its footprint governs the pathing on it |
| 00:33.34 | Zandose | k |
| 00:33.58 | JademusSreg | Or rather, "I'll hardcode these values for now; it'll be easy to just create a database later." |
| 00:34.14 | JademusSreg | And no. |
| 00:34.20 | JademusSreg | Footprint governs pathing. |
| 00:34.26 | Zandose | its only about 10 lines i'd need to change |
| 00:34.42 | ArcanePariah | Yeah... Zan, I inherited the code I have now, it took me hours to redo everything into data, I spent the last 9 months doing mostly trigger -> data optimizatiosn, I have added very very little to the actual game |
| 00:34.55 | JademusSreg | The model asset has a walkable plane that determines how units move over it. |
| 00:35.34 | ArcanePariah | Optimization and redoing stuff in programming is a brutal brutal thing, why so much doesn't get done. One of the fundamental difficulties of any software is the bigger it is, the more complex it is, which is somewhat unique to software |
| 00:35.52 | JademusSreg | Basically, pathability != walkability |
| 00:35.58 | ArcanePariah | Very few things automatically get more complicated as they get bigger |
| 00:36.40 | JademusSreg | Arc, I'd say it's a feature of engineering generally. =D |
| 00:36.47 | ArcanePariah | Jade, interesting, so you can have things that can be walked over, but contradictorily can not be pathed over? |
| 00:36.53 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 00:36.54 | ArcanePariah | and vice versa? |
| 00:37.33 | JademusSreg | A consequence of walkability being an aspect of the model asset. |
| 00:38.16 | ArcanePariah | And jade, even engineering is not as susceptible as software is, for instance, there is very little difference engineering wise between a 20 and 40 story building, the same issues/problems/equations govern it, whereas software, we never duplicate anything, you place it in a function and call it, reducing the code size to the minimum possible |
| 00:38.38 | ArcanePariah | So each story in a software design is unique and different then the last |
| 00:39.42 | JademusSreg | Well, that presupposes the compositions of the engineered structure in question, a set of assumptions which would be different given a different historical, technological, or economic context. |
| 00:39.44 | MoonEater | JademusSreg im looking at this how do i trigger warpgate button? |
| 00:40.37 | JademusSreg | But arguably the complexity curve, so to speak, differs for different forms of engineering. |
| 00:41.04 | JademusSreg | [20:25:00] <JademusSreg> Anyway, hijack the warpgate button functionality with selective enabling of a dummy warp train ability. |
| 00:41.20 | MoonEater | so |
| 00:41.31 | MoonEater | copy the warpgate train ability and mod it? |
| 00:41.43 | JademusSreg | Wow, no. Don't copy a damn thing. |
| 00:42.05 | MoonEater | .... |
| 00:42.11 | JademusSreg | Just add a new warp train ability. Data > New Ability, type Warp Train. Sheesh. |
| 00:42.11 | MoonEater | scarcasm? |
| 00:42.58 | MoonEater | hm... |
| 00:43.35 | JademusSreg | Doesn't even need to do anything, probably, just needs a requirement you can control with a behavior. |
| 00:44.00 | ArcanePariah | Jade, one quick question, do % movespeed bonuses from a behavior stack multiplicatively or additively (So if I have a Behavior that givees 1% bonus movespeed, and stack it 7 times, will it be 7% or bigger? and is this any different for attribute behaviors? |
| 00:44.56 | JademusSreg | Hm, I used to know this. |
| 00:46.45 | Vail | i dont think stacking the same behavior multiples or adds the bonus value, does it? |
| 00:47.10 | JademusSreg | Sounds like some hypotheses in need of testing. |
| 00:47.21 | JademusSreg | Given the lack of documentation. |
| 00:48.21 | JademusSreg | But I know a movespeed bonus confered from a stackable source certainly stacks. |
| 00:55.34 | ArcanePariah | Ok, Ill go test then and report my findings |
| 00:59.52 | ArcanePariah | Ok, buff behavior stacks the % bonus multiplicatively |
| 01:00.12 | ArcanePariah | So a 5% bonus stacked 5 times = 27% |
| 01:01.44 | Necromoni | which sucks when trying to balance atk speed |
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| 01:15.04 | ArcanePariah | Also Attribute changes stack multiplicatvely as well |
| 01:22.40 | JademusSreg | Oh yeah, now I remember, that's why the Scaled and Unscaled bonuses were added. |
| 01:22.43 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 02:17.35 | MoonEater | so weird |
| 02:17.49 | MoonEater | launch model has scale events that work |
| 02:17.56 | MoonEater | and impact has the same events |
| 02:17.59 | MoonEater | that dont work |
| 02:18.11 | MoonEater | i must be missing somthing |
| 02:21.15 | Necromoni | maybe the fx has a flag on there |
| 02:21.25 | Necromoni | that makes it scale based off its host |
| 02:26.18 | MoonEater | i dont think so |
| 02:26.27 | MoonEater | almaity sent me a working version |
| 02:26.35 | MoonEater | and i replicated it myself but after failing |
| 02:26.47 | MoonEater | i copied the xml from the working version |
| 02:26.52 | MoonEater | and it still doesnt work |
| 02:51.08 | Stewox | colorado floods = HAARP |
| 02:53.25 | JademusSreg | Can't think of any harp that could cause a flood. |
| 02:53.55 | JademusSreg | Or really any stringed instrument. Or instrument. Or man-made device. |
| 02:57.44 | JademusSreg | The harp of a mythological god, perhaps. |
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| 03:14.49 | MoonEater | jade |
| 03:15.00 | MoonEater | whats wrong with this actor |
| 03:15.07 | MoonEater | xml works on one map but not on mine |
| 03:15.26 | MoonEater | the impact actor refuses to work |
| 03:15.36 | MoonEater | but the launch actor with the same commands does work |
| 03:18.34 | JademusSreg | Insufficient information. |
| 03:19.15 | MoonEater | Insufficient Questions. |
| 03:19.38 | MoonEater | to be honest im not sure what u need to know and what u donmt |
| 03:19.40 | MoonEater | dont |
| 03:19.45 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 03:19.46 | MoonEater | which causes our communication issues |
| 03:20.14 | JademusSreg | Purpose and code. |
| 03:20.53 | MoonEater | well |
| 03:21.04 | MoonEater | the purpose is to scale when actors r in region |
| 03:21.16 | MoonEater | the validation is not pressent for testinfg |
| 03:21.39 | MoonEater | the design is signal sending between impact and attack to validate a scale |
| 03:21.50 | MoonEater | the code is..... |
| 03:24.36 | MoonEater | http://pastebin.com/CsJ2XX7A |
| 03:24.38 | MoonEater | there |
| 03:25.03 | Stewox | Jademussreg you don't know what Haarp is ? |
| 03:25.14 | Stewox | It's a weather control device |
| 03:25.24 | Stewox | a crude one |
| 03:25.28 | MoonEater | thought it was a service? |
| 03:25.46 | MoonEater | High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program |
| 03:26.08 | Stewox | that's the real name but it's just used as a term for geo engineering |
| 03:26.19 | Stewox | it doesn't necessairly have to be the device |
| 03:26.37 | Stewox | it could just be aerosols dumped by chem planes |
| 03:26.58 | JademusSreg | "HAARP has been blamed by conspiracy theorists for a range of events, including numerous natural disasters, outbreaks, global warming, global cooling, volcanoes, even assassinations of individuals. Commentators and scientists say that proponents of these theories are "uninformed" as most theories put forward fall well outside of the abilities or the facility and often outside the scope of |
| 03:26.58 | JademusSreg | natural science and defy physics." |
| 03:27.18 | Stewox | but the device doesn't really control, it just makes havoc on the atmosphere as it heats the upper atmosphere up |
| 03:27.41 | MoonEater | god |
| 03:27.46 | MoonEater | i hate this area |
| 03:27.51 | MoonEater | theres sunks |
| 03:27.55 | MoonEater | and it always smelling |
| 03:28.01 | Stewox | stop reading wikipedia on esoteric information, it's not accurate even what the theories are about let alone explanations |
| 03:28.44 | Stewox | wikipedia has zero credibility on anything controversial or popular |
| 03:28.45 | JademusSreg | It's so well hidden that it doesn't even have physically-plausible explanations. |
| 03:29.26 | JademusSreg | This is precisely the shit I'm talking about Stew. |
| 03:29.56 | Stewox | they have mobile HAARPs now, not just the one stationary test site in alaska, http://americanbuilt.us/images/tesla/HAARP-bubble-big.jpg , it is disguised as a "radar facility" |
| 03:30.19 | JademusSreg | You were warned, Stew. |
| 03:30.47 | Stewox | what's smelling mooneater ? |
| 03:31.27 | MoonEater | skunks |
| 03:31.35 | Stewox | well i think it could be, it's my speculation, kind of a coincidence so many distractions happen after the syria crisis |
| 03:31.44 | Stewox | im not saying it was for sure |
| 03:31.51 | MoonEater | anyways why does jade not want comspiracy theories in here? |
| 03:31.56 | Stewox | never seen one |
| 03:32.21 | Stewox | Fox are pretty rare in my area |
| 03:32.34 | Stewox | but they do get to lurk in the sorrounding hills |
| 03:32.59 | MoonEater | skunks, racoons, turkeys, possums, condors, bob cats, otters is whats out here |
| 03:33.05 | MoonEater | Deer |
| 03:34.13 | Stewox | and once i got pretty scared when about 200m away in an isolated woody hill that is closer to the city, at night i took a dog for a walk, then i heard these screaming noises |
| 03:34.20 | Stewox | that was a heck of a sprint |
| 03:34.23 | MoonEater | lols |
| 03:34.27 | MoonEater | goverment experiements |
| 03:34.30 | MoonEater | but seriously |
| 03:34.38 | MoonEater | why is jade banning conspiracies? |
| 03:36.01 | Stewox | my contry hasn't physically been hijacked, yet, but it is financially and economically in same shitter just like all 1st world capitalist countries under fractional reserve banking which was created by the Rothschilds about a few 100 years ago |
| 03:36.02 | JademusSreg | It's disruptive. |
| 03:36.41 | Stewox | i have one primary question |
| 03:37.18 | MoonEater | I just ignore people when im talking about sc2editing |
| 03:37.28 | MoonEater | i dont see why it needs warning |
| 03:37.34 | Stewox | how do you distinguish what are theories and what is the truth ? |
| 03:37.54 | MoonEater | i actually think stewox brings more life and diversity to the channel |
| 03:38.02 | Stewox | so i'll be banned if I speak truth ? |
| 03:38.11 | Stewox | sounds like nazi germany |
| 03:38.14 | MoonEater | dont push jade |
| 03:38.27 | Stewox | im not, asking a fair question |
| 03:38.27 | MoonEater | be like martin luther king now |
| 03:38.31 | MoonEater | not malcom x |
| 03:38.31 | Stewox | never asked him before |
| 03:38.45 | Stewox | wait, let me explain |
| 03:38.54 | Stewox | what happened with the debacle a few days ago |
| 03:39.44 | Stewox | basically, they pushed buttons too much so I blew up, and for that I apologize and I deserve to have that punishment if I do it again in the near future |
| 03:39.45 | MoonEater | i was there stewox |
| 03:40.07 | MoonEater | but i was ignoring u cause i wasnt interested |
| 03:40.28 | Stewox | the point is jademus is now taking this further so I can't even talk even when the people which I was arguing with aren't even here |
| 03:40.31 | MoonEater | jude like jade now is ignoring us cause hes not interested |
| 03:40.57 | Stewox | i was talking stuff with many times and there was no rage |
| 03:41.02 | MoonEater | plus i say these people deserve some blowing up at...trolls |
| 03:41.48 | Stewox | obscene was a real troll, others just couldn't understand, and I did admit i shouldn't react like i did |
| 03:42.53 | MoonEater | obscene is like that |
| 03:43.05 | MoonEater | jade is still trying to figure out how to ban him |
| 03:43.06 | MoonEater | AHAH |
| 03:43.47 | Stewox | obscene was acting violently way before I joined the talk |
| 03:44.47 | Stewox | and this time, the conspiracy talk was started by some other 3 guys, they pulled me in cause I had that kind of human instinct to sort out inaccuracies |
| 03:45.29 | MoonEater | this chat all programmers and such ----------------------> |
| 03:45.39 | MoonEater | and we r all ego maniacs in a room |
| 03:46.23 | Stewox | well it wasn't way before afaik, it was, he was making big weird statements, before i started yelling at them, i don't know if jademus understands that I have absorbed 2 hours of BS that night prior to the blowup. |
| 03:47.04 | Stewox | well it's the target demography |
| 03:47.39 | Stewox | gamers are one of the most uninformed demographies, and computer/internet expertise would be very effective to fight corruption |
| 03:48.20 | Stewox | so if we awake this crowd, which has the highest percentage of trolls in all demographies |
| 03:49.19 | Stewox | internet paid shills could be easier to detect, and fake stuff couldn't pose as truth |
| 03:51.09 | Stewox | there's a dog that's barking for 5 hours straigh some streets away oh ... |
| 03:51.15 | Stewox | im going sick |
| 03:51.29 | Stewox | it's night here btw |
| 03:52.37 | MoonEater | same |
| 03:54.45 | MoonEater | well jade |
| 03:54.50 | MoonEater | is on ignore mode |
| 03:54.53 | MoonEater | so im off to bed |
| 03:54.55 | MoonEater | well |
| 03:54.59 | MoonEater | homework then bob |
| 03:55.01 | MoonEater | bed* |
| 03:55.10 | Stewox | i slept already :p |
| 04:27.26 | Daara | Should I add scaffolding and a little animated hammer and saw? |
| 04:27.28 | Daara | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/images/62/823/Farm_Gif.gif |
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| 04:49.44 | Daara | sup otixa |
| 04:49.59 | Otixa | o/ |
| 04:50.09 | Otixa | not much, bored of sculpting |
| 04:50.13 | Otixa | googlewhacking ;p |
| 04:51.21 | Otixa | HA! |
| 04:51.23 | Otixa | FOUND ONE! |
| 04:52.12 | Otixa | https://www.google.bg/?gws_rd=cr&ei=do42Ut3GMYzUsgbTuIF4#q=otixa+tollbooth |
| 04:52.13 | Otixa | :D |
| 05:13.44 | AndChat|644916 | Lol my ISP blocks Russian stuff ahah |
| 05:39.25 | Stewox | Otixa |
| 05:39.32 | Stewox | you work in 3DSmax ? |
| 05:39.55 | Otixa | uh, yea |
| 05:40.06 | Stewox | 2011 for SC2 Art tool Beta ? |
| 05:40.30 | Otixa | don't remember, but think so |
| 05:40.48 | Stewox | you don't remember which version of 3dsmax you have ? |
| 05:41.08 | Otixa | I have a bunch of versions, don't remember which one runs art tools ;p |
| 05:41.13 | Stewox | 2011 |
| 05:41.30 | Stewox | so you're expert modeller ? |
| 05:41.41 | Stewox | not expert but at least better than total beginner |
| 05:41.54 | Otixa | well, I have a degree in it, so I'd hope so ;p |
| 05:42.05 | Stewox | whooh jackpot |
| 05:42.58 | Stewox | can you help me on something, maybe through the time, my thing may take month or more to do and i don't have time to work on like a job |
| 05:43.20 | Stewox | well i'm trying to do a stargate for 2011 version, which I could use in SC2 |
| 05:43.49 | Stewox | and I've found some eastern europe fan with a Mesh tutorial, basically I did what the tutorial shown |
| 05:43.55 | Stewox | but it's just a rung |
| 05:43.57 | Stewox | ring |
| 05:44.08 | Stewox | and it's far from a completed mesh |
| 05:44.13 | Otixa | afaik, that's what the stargate is ;P |
| 05:44.44 | Stewox | basically i've never used 3ds max or any 3d tool before , but I'm an advanced PC user, i know hardware DIY, all things windows tweaking fixing whatever |
| 05:44.55 | Stewox | i learn stuff fast so i have background deep |
| 05:45.00 | Stewox | but im noob in 3d |
| 05:45.12 | Otixa | uhh |
| 05:45.17 | Otixa | see ModCraft |
| 05:45.23 | Stewox | Stargate SG-1, the Chappa'Ai |
| 05:46.12 | Stewox | such tuts are very scarse, the one that i found wasn't even in english language |
| 05:46.20 | Otixa | Also, if you're planning on releasing it, you'll likely get shut down due to copyright issues |
| 05:46.42 | Stewox | and it's really hard to find someone who really knows 3dsmax however i've not looked much anyways, thankfully i bumped into you |
| 05:46.47 | Stewox | ah |
| 05:46.51 | Stewox | don't worry about that |
| 05:47.01 | Stewox | i want this for my self as well |
| 05:47.05 | Otixa | eh, to each their own |
| 05:47.06 | Otixa | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/10163-mod-craft-weekly-workshops-tutorials-discussions/#posts |
| 05:47.07 | Stewox | im a huge sg1 fan |
| 05:47.13 | Otixa | here, we used to run this show ages ago |
| 05:47.28 | Otixa | explains everything you need to know to get started |
| 05:48.10 | Stewox | anyways i wasn't looking for kind of direct help, I just wanted to ask some pointers how to use a certain tool, i have trouble resizing lines, this small yet important thing, i would have to REDO the whole starting tutorial just to get another pair of calculated ring mesh |
| 05:48.10 | Otixa | and my thread, which is now kinda outdated |
| 05:48.11 | Otixa | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/9662-article-modelling-and-exporting-for-star-craft2/ |
| 05:48.33 | Otixa | resize? lines? |
| 05:48.35 | Stewox | im making this from scratch, it's mesh stuff, nothing to do with sc2 yet |
| 05:48.51 | Stewox | yes, im far from finishing the mesh |
| 05:49.23 | Otixa | eh, stargate is basically a cylinder with a hole cut out in the middle |
| 05:49.28 | Otixa | so... iunno, just do that |
| 05:49.30 | Otixa | shrugs |
| 05:50.11 | Stewox | but isn't this the first time blizz released art tools, aren't all those tutorials meant for modifying existing stuff ? |
| 05:50.11 | Otixa | start with the most primitive shapes and add detail until it looks like your reference sheet(which you should have compiled before starting) |
| 05:50.36 | Otixa | doesn't matter if it's art tools or not |
| 05:50.44 | Otixa | art tools are just for exporting to sc2 |
| 05:50.50 | Otixa | they have nothing to do with modeling |
| 05:51.16 | Stewox | can you just take like 10 minutes so i can go over with some critical details sorrounding highpoly stuff, because i've been trying to find something on this but I can't really decide because i don't know how scaling works, |
| 05:51.33 | Otixa | eh, alright |
| 05:51.35 | Stewox | i just don't want to put time into it and then i couldn't modify it without redoing |
| 05:51.59 | Stewox | i'll link you the tutorial, in the meantime i just jump to the wc and back |
| 05:52.20 | Otixa | i need to go buy some cigs in a bit tho ;p |
| 05:52.33 | Stewox | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSQaTCF_ewo |
| 05:52.35 | Otixa | and cheese or something |
| 05:52.44 | Stewox | well how much time do you have now ? |
| 05:53.04 | Stewox | brb |
| 05:53.34 | Repo | New map: Alliance and Horde - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/alliance-and-horde/ |
| 05:54.02 | Otixa | ehh, store is like 5min from here so I won't be gone long ;P |
| 05:54.06 | Otixa | will go in like 10min |
| 05:54.20 | Otixa | gf will wake up to me having eaten and smoked everything |
| 05:54.25 | Otixa | prolly not a good thing ;p |
| 05:54.35 | Otixa | also, this guy's technique makes me angry |
| 05:56.33 | Otixa | right, go gather up all the reference you might need if you haven't done so yet |
| 05:56.52 | Otixa | you need to understand how the stargate is physically put together in order to accurately recreate it |
| 05:57.08 | Otixa | (altho you don't need to recreate it properly for sc2 and you won't see it with much detail anyway) |
| 05:57.27 | Otixa | and I'll go pee, buy some cigs and a poor excuse for breakfast and explain some stuff |
| 05:57.29 | Otixa | so brb |
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| 06:06.24 | Otixa | kback |
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| 06:08.22 | G0A | OMFG http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-15/man-charge-nsa-modeled-his-office-bridge-starship-enterprise |
| 06:09.12 | Otixa | So that's where the budget goes ;p |
| 06:09.41 | G0A | yeah |
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| 06:17.07 | Otixa | tired as fuck ;c |
| 06:17.19 | Stewox | back |
| 06:17.41 | Otixa | hai ;p |
| 06:17.42 | Stewox | G0A, that's how delusional the NWO has become :p |
| 06:17.55 | Otixa | so, you got reference? |
| 06:18.18 | Stewox | looks like they take their skynet thing seriously lol |
| 06:18.33 | Stewox | anyways no time now g0a, doing some 3dmax stuff |
| 06:19.16 | Stewox | aha |
| 06:19.33 | Stewox | the stargate doesn't actually assemble or disassemble, what exactly did you mean ? |
| 06:19.44 | Otixa | well, it has multiple parts to it |
| 06:19.54 | Otixa | it's not one big monolythic object |
| 06:19.54 | Stewox | i know i'll have to do multiple rings to it |
| 06:19.59 | Stewox | yeah |
| 06:20.07 | Otixa | not just rings |
| 06:20.18 | Stewox | i have downloaded pics that the guy has, hi def references |
| 06:20.31 | Stewox | what i have here is the base |
| 06:20.41 | Otixa | right, first of all |
| 06:20.45 | Otixa | how detailed do you want it? |
| 06:20.52 | Stewox | i know theres like 5 rings more to do |
| 06:21.03 | Stewox | half of them very thin |
| 06:21.05 | Stewox | em |
| 06:21.20 | Stewox | i want to do it highpoly for my own private use, i want to really see this thin shine |
| 06:21.31 | Stewox | but i can bake that down to low for SC2 without much modifications right ? |
| 06:21.38 | Otixa | so you want a cinematic replica? |
| 06:21.41 | Otixa | uhh |
| 06:21.43 | Stewox | yeah |
| 06:21.51 | Stewox | i'm prepared to put work into it |
| 06:21.53 | Otixa | Well, it won't be trivial to get it into a game engine, but yeah, you can |
| 06:22.06 | Daara | wow |
| 06:22.09 | Daara | im an idiot |
| 06:22.21 | Otixa | keep in mind that it may take up to 2-3 months provided that you lack prior experience |
| 06:22.26 | Stewox | you mean i'll crash the graphics or exceeed some limitations, capabilities |
| 06:22.32 | Otixa | yeah |
| 06:22.37 | Daara | i totally didn't know i could turn on every single mesh on wow models...this way i only need 1 model for every variation possible |
| 06:22.47 | Otixa | you need to retopo the mesh to be around... say 15k triangles |
| 06:23.11 | Stewox | retopo ? |
| 06:23.30 | Otixa | basicaally create new topology which conforms to the shilouetter, but omits all details |
| 06:23.46 | Otixa | s/shilouetter/shilouette/ |
| 06:24.01 | Otixa | so in essence you need to model it twice |
| 06:24.07 | Otixa | as for the cinematic quality |
| 06:24.17 | Otixa | it depends if you wanna have it in an animation or not |
| 06:24.21 | Otixa | and a bunch of other things |
| 06:24.54 | Otixa | since if you wanna texture it properly, it will take an fucklot longer then compositing over a material render |
| 06:25.10 | Stewox | well i definitely, in ultimate finish, even if it's months from now, want to see the thing work, minus the splash animation that'll probably be hard to do for me |
| 06:25.36 | Stewox | i didn't know the other way is possible |
| 06:25.43 | Otixa | well, if you'll be rendering it from one angle, you can fake it by compositing |
| 06:25.50 | Stewox | if i import an image and just make the mesh around it |
| 06:25.58 | Otixa | basically assign 1 material to the whole thing and render it out |
| 06:26.04 | Otixa | then change the material, render again |
| 06:26.13 | Stewox | as I am a beginner, i don't know what compositing means |
| 06:26.17 | Otixa | and mask off the parts that need specific materials in post |
| 06:26.29 | Otixa | and sort of combine the separrate renders into one image |
| 06:26.40 | Otixa | which looks exactly as it should, from that one angle |
| 06:26.53 | Otixa | then add the glow etc, and the splash animation |
| 06:27.08 | Stewox | well, my general idea was also to make it usable, so i can put units through in sc2 |
| 06:27.41 | Otixa | ingame you won't have any issue making it do whatever you want |
| 06:27.49 | Otixa | since it won't use the highpoly model |
| 06:28.22 | Otixa | anyway, figure out each individual part that you want to model |
| 06:28.27 | Stewox | but is there any reference as to what is considered high.low and a number what the engine can handle ? |
| 06:28.31 | Otixa | and associate it with a basic shape to start from |
| 06:28.52 | Stewox | yes I get the idea of modularity, i know there's a ton of parts that'll stick together at the end |
| 06:29.03 | Otixa | well, check similar sorts of models from SC and see their polycount |
| 06:29.13 | Otixa | I personally would make the ingame model around 8k tris |
| 06:29.39 | Otixa | highpoly is considered a model which uses turbosmooth in order to achieve realistic looking edges on the models |
| 06:29.51 | Otixa | (as in the real world, no edge is perfectly sharp) |
| 06:30.17 | Otixa | so the edges actually catch light and reflect it ets |
| 06:30.37 | Stewox | I may not require extreme closeups but I do want to be able to distinguish chevrons nicely |
| 06:30.49 | Daara | Otixa |
| 06:30.56 | Otixa | hi ;p |
| 06:30.59 | Daara | is there a way to hide parts of a mesh via starcraft 2 editor? |
| 06:31.18 | Otixa | Daara, no idea, havn't opened the editor since 2010 or so << |
| 06:31.22 | Daara | lol |
| 06:31.31 | Daara | hmm |
| 06:31.42 | Daara | i'm trying to think how i can do this |
| 06:31.44 | Otixa | Stewox, you can fake them with textures without anyone noticing the difference |
| 06:31.49 | Otixa | and it would be a lot easier |
| 06:31.51 | Otixa | anyway |
| 06:31.56 | Otixa | start with the highpoly model |
| 06:32.17 | Otixa | detail level should be dependant on how close it would be viewed |
| 06:32.19 | Stewox | well but i need to know the possibilities, so fake from what ? |
| 06:32.25 | Otixa | normal mapping |
| 06:32.34 | Stewox | and that looks like what ? |
| 06:32.45 | Otixa | it fakes light reflection vectors |
| 06:32.48 | Stewox | or develops |
| 06:33.02 | Otixa | making something look like it has geometry when it doesn't |
| 06:33.11 | Otixa | digs up example |
| 06:33.47 | Otixa | eh |
| 06:33.48 | Otixa | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10032576/misc/bib2.jpg |
| 06:33.53 | Stewox | I don't know if I could find a texture for everything that detailed, i found quite great stuff from the SG1 1:1 project, real life replica from some fans in france |
| 06:33.54 | Otixa | not such a great example, but close enough |
| 06:33.59 | Otixa | ^ object is a flat plane |
| 06:34.04 | Stewox | and besides the pictures are at an angle and JPG |
| 06:34.26 | Otixa | you make your own textures ;p |
| 06:34.47 | Stewox | making something look like it has geometry ? i don't know what does something with geometry look like |
| 06:34.59 | Stewox | yeah that i had in mind, i'll take more time indeed |
| 06:35.26 | Otixa | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10032576/Models/misc/ddo.jpg |
| 06:35.30 | Otixa | better example ^ |
| 06:35.38 | Otixa | door is actually perfectly flat, polygon-wise |
| 06:35.41 | Stewox | aha |
| 06:35.56 | Stewox | the pic indeed, you mean it has layers |
| 06:36.00 | Stewox | or bumpmaps ? |
| 06:36.05 | Otixa | normal map |
| 06:36.08 | Otixa | kinda like bump map |
| 06:36.12 | Otixa | but more advanced |
| 06:36.58 | Stewox | ah yeah, kind of the background stuff in various games is just a picture with the illusio |
| 06:37.01 | Stewox | n* |
| 06:37.06 | Stewox | i get the idea yes |
| 06:37.27 | Otixa | well, start blocking out your basic shapes |
| 06:37.31 | Stewox | but you know, i don't have imagination to compare both in the end to be able to decide |
| 06:37.33 | Otixa | don't put any detail into it |
| 06:37.36 | Otixa | just the rought outlines |
| 06:37.47 | Daara | otixa you're a modeling pro, how should i go about this |
| 06:38.08 | Daara | i have every mesh posible for a WoW character model |
| 06:38.18 | Daara | how would i go about picking and choosing which part of the mesh shows :D |
| 06:38.23 | Daara | in game |
| 06:38.32 | Stewox | i get that thanks, the mesh skeleton first, generally im not total noob, being in gaming stuff like that is familiar |
| 06:38.35 | Daara | how do you think they do it in wow |
| 06:38.36 | Otixa | uhh... just delete it? |
| 06:38.48 | Otixa | well, they do it from the code |
| 06:38.51 | Daara | no i mean, i want just 1 model with all the custimization |
| 06:39.00 | Otixa | I'm assuming they just have the character mesh, split into separate parts |
| 06:39.04 | Otixa | like, legs arms etc |
| 06:39.08 | Daara | yes sorta |
| 06:39.18 | Otixa | and they append the armor on top, removing parts which are not needed |
| 06:39.42 | Otixa | if you wanna do that in SC2E... |
| 06:39.58 | Otixa | I'm guessing your best bet is to attach some sort of bone/controller/thingy to each of said parts |
| 06:40.11 | Otixa | and animating its scale, and hiding it inside the model itself |
| 06:40.23 | Otixa | so just like a 2frame animation for on/off |
| 06:40.25 | Otixa | shrugs |
| 06:40.27 | Stewox | much has changed since 2010, Hots provided editor/engine improvements, ragdoll so it's possibly modelling improvements as well |
| 06:40.33 | Otixa | it's a shitty workaround, but it should work |
| 06:40.49 | Otixa | Stewox, modeling has been pretty much the same for ages now :P |
| 06:40.50 | Daara | before i had been using an alpha channel for parts i wanted gone |
| 06:40.56 | Otixa | Well, there's better tools now |
| 06:40.59 | Otixa | But that's about it |
| 06:41.03 | Daara | and then texture select by id |
| 06:41.05 | Stewox | i mean sc2 engine limitations |
| 06:41.10 | Otixa | Daara, that works, I guess |
| 06:41.19 | Otixa | Stewox, pretty much the same, afaik |
| 06:41.30 | Daara | so many more meshes added though, was hoping there could be an easier way |
| 06:41.35 | Otixa | just don't go batshit crazy with the polycount |
| 06:41.48 | Stewox | are you familiar with IdTech5 , just generally features, not as a developer or user of it ? |
| 06:41.56 | Otixa | Daara, not unless you can code it so that it works in a more intelligent manner :P |
| 06:42.00 | Stewox | I don't know where does the polycount even show |
| 06:42.36 | Otixa | Stewox, dunno what's it called, but in your main panel on the right, the last tap on the right there, more > polygon counter |
| 06:42.44 | Otixa | but don't worry about it at this point |
| 06:42.55 | Otixa | just do your highpoly and use as much polygons as tyyou see fit |
| 06:43.08 | Otixa | and no, dunno about IdTech5 |
| 06:43.27 | Otixa | I use UDK and Unity mostly |
| 06:44.45 | Stewox | idsoftware claims to have an art editor where you can paint geometry pixel by pixel, im sure that's not the best description, some voxel stuff (not polygons), but it has some big features enabling a ton of detail possible |
| 06:45.00 | Otixa | herpderp |
| 06:45.08 | Otixa | Zbrush rules :P |
| 06:45.14 | Otixa | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:45.44 | Stewox | well i asked you if you know if they really have something better proprietary |
| 06:45.58 | Otixa | Not that I know of |
| 06:46.06 | Otixa | Besides, Zbrush is the industry standard |
| 06:46.08 | Otixa | So eh |
| 06:46.11 | Otixa | shrugs |
| 06:46.24 | Otixa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQoa7_K8gsM |
| 06:47.05 | Stewox | trailer is herehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0ReWW2c67g4#t=45 |
| 06:47.07 | Stewox | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0ReWW2c67g4#t=45 |
| 06:47.17 | Stewox | not trailer, just tech showoff |
| 06:48.00 | Stewox | dont' they say Zbrush is usully for Characters and not used a lot in gaming industry |
| 06:48.02 | Otixa | Eh, not impressed :P |
| 06:48.20 | Otixa | Naw, Zbrush supports hard edge stuff now |
| 06:48.26 | Otixa | And is pretty much used for everything |
| 06:48.36 | Otixa | I'm doing a stone floor atm :P |
| 06:49.13 | Otixa | Now THIS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bLOi3mo9NE is a tech demo ;D |
| 06:50.19 | Stewox | i've had a lot of details covered sorrounding the enigne, all the carmack talks, since i used the edior a bit and liked the game with higher diff mods |
| 06:50.21 | Stewox | and |
| 06:50.24 | Daara | wait a sec |
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| 06:50.32 | Daara | i think im having a moment here |
| 06:50.55 | Stewox | it sounded more advanced than UE4 to me, the megatexture stuff and just the performance of the thing |
| 06:51.03 | Stewox | among other things |
| 06:51.36 | Stewox | there are other tech stuff as well but that would take watching several minutes |
| 06:51.40 | Stewox | anyways |
| 06:51.50 | Stewox | i have to dump this thing I've did with lines |
| 06:52.04 | Stewox | i hope i won't be having to resize them |
| 06:54.26 | Otixa | Well, I used UDK for my thesis, so I'm biased ;P |
| 06:54.34 | Otixa | But UE4 seems fucking amazing |
| 06:54.47 | Stewox | but I don't know how scaling translates to polycount |
| 06:55.05 | Otixa | don't worry about the polycount for now, just do the hihpoly |
| 06:55.22 | Otixa | you understand the basics of subdivision modelling, right? |
| 06:56.15 | Stewox | megatexture stuff is probably not in UE4, id software kept working for it for 6+ years and the Rage implementation is not final at all, they're already looking at raytracing but that will come in future when hardware will supprt it from the chips and with proper drivers |
| 06:56.39 | Stewox | i don't know how to do highpoly, is there a mode to choose or what ? |
| 06:56.59 | Stewox | i need to scale it up then ? |
| 06:57.36 | Stewox | i have the 3dsmax opened as we speak |
| 06:57.43 | Otixa | scale has nothing to do with it |
| 06:57.47 | Otixa | scale is arbitrary |
| 06:57.55 | Otixa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSI-qVMyeEA |
| 06:58.00 | Otixa | see this, seems relevant |
| 06:58.04 | Otixa | or watch modcraft |
| 06:58.14 | Stewox | scale i mean in meters ? |
| 06:58.29 | Stewox | how does it translate to SC2 engine is a big guess |
| 06:58.40 | Otixa | why does it matter? |
| 06:58.51 | Otixa | you can make a copy and scale it accordingly for SC2 |
| 06:59.00 | Stewox | i don't know, i don't have imagination how will 1 meter in 3dsmax look in sc2 |
| 06:59.14 | Stewox | ah okay |
| 06:59.43 | Stewox | i just need the proportions right and doesn't matter if it's 10 times the meters ? |
| 07:00.09 | Otixa | ye |
| 07:00.33 | Otixa | so apply a Turbosmooth over it, and keep to having only quads |
| 07:01.09 | Stewox | that guy in the video has 10 by 10 by 10 |
| 07:01.16 | Stewox | would it be the same 1 by 1 by 1 |
| 07:01.20 | Otixa | ye |
| 07:01.36 | Otixa | http://vimeo.com/10941211 |
| 07:01.39 | Otixa | hardsurface essentials |
| 07:01.40 | Otixa | go |
| 07:01.41 | Stewox | okay so I just use a big number for highpoly |
| 07:01.49 | Stewox | aka highpoly mode |
| 07:02.06 | Stewox | i have to look for topology to make a ring right |
| 07:02.11 | Otixa | turbosmooth ;p |
| 07:02.16 | Otixa | just watch the last video |
| 07:03.44 | Stewox | okay |
| 07:04.01 | Stewox | how can i get to you if something I get stuck for days ? |
| 07:04.07 | Stewox | forums ... etc |
| 07:04.26 | Otixa | I usually idle here ;p |
| 07:04.42 | Stewox | i always research my self to fix a problem so don't worry i won't come asking for every small detail |
| 07:05.00 | Stewox | steam maybe ? |
| 07:05.03 | Stewox | just incase |
| 07:05.04 | Otixa | well, that last video should be enough to get you started |
| 07:05.09 | Otixa | Otixa on steam |
| 07:05.26 | Stewox | ok, many thanks, that's a great tutorial, all in one and high quality |
| 07:05.35 | Otixa | np :P |
| 07:11.25 | Stewox | otixa just one thing |
| 07:11.26 | Otixa | oh yeah, set turbosmooth iterations to between 2-3 |
| 07:11.53 | Stewox | are there any big options i need to set for stuff , since i have defaults |
| 07:12.03 | Stewox | okay that ... |
| 07:12.08 | Otixa | not really, not that I can think of |
| 07:12.34 | Stewox | it's a lot of stuff, im just searching for hotkeys .... |
| 07:12.36 | Stewox | currently |
| 07:12.44 | Otixa | you might wanna hotkey your Ring, Loop etc |
| 07:12.59 | Otixa | since you'll be using them ALL the time |
| 07:13.10 | Otixa | Connect is a good thing to hotkey aswell |
| 07:13.11 | Stewox | and edit geometry panel just like the guy has on the far right |
| 07:13.31 | Otixa | shrugs |
| 07:13.43 | Stewox | i mean, where is the hotkey config menu |
| 07:13.44 | Otixa | You can add some custom buttons to it if you're a lazy bastard like me |
| 07:13.47 | Otixa | uhh |
| 07:13.58 | Otixa | under Customize something |
| 07:13.59 | Otixa | top |
| 07:14.28 | Stewox | and where's the turbosmooth tingy ? |
| 07:14.49 | Otixa | dropdown |
| 07:14.53 | Otixa | right panel |
| 07:15.04 | Otixa | might wanna add a custom button for it |
| 07:15.51 | Stewox | hmm i can't find Arc Rotate Mode |
| 07:16.04 | Stewox | custom buttons ? |
| 07:18.29 | Otixa | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10032576/misc/Stew.jpg |
| 07:20.50 | Stewox | okay |
| 07:20.59 | Stewox | the box turend into some weirdness |
| 07:22.34 | Stewox | maybe the tutorials is using a higher version |
| 07:22.45 | Otixa | eh, no |
| 07:22.54 | Otixa | you're doing it wrong somehow ;p |
| 07:23.25 | Otixa | define weirdness |
| 07:24.11 | Stewox | some pentagon, some weird nut like object |
| 07:24.18 | Stewox | a ball |
| 07:24.22 | Stewox | rough edges |
| 07:24.32 | Otixa | set iterations to 2 on turbosmooth >;/ |
| 07:25.55 | Stewox | aha |
| 07:26.00 | Stewox | you mean i get a ball out |
| 07:26.04 | Stewox | okay now it's smooth |
| 07:26.15 | Stewox | but what you wanted me to do in Configure Modifier Sets |
| 07:27.18 | Stewox | i think im going with 4 |
| 07:27.23 | Stewox | looks good |
| 07:27.59 | Otixa | you prolly want edit poly, turbosmooth and symmetry there |
| 07:28.06 | Otixa | maybe one of the FFD's |
| 07:30.13 | Stewox | what do I need to do with them ? |
| 07:30.19 | Stewox | click and then what ? |
| 07:30.28 | Stewox | doesn't appear much to configure |
| 07:30.38 | Stewox | i've clicked before, nothing happens |
| 07:30.55 | Otixa | eh? it adds the modifier onto your mesh |
| 07:32.56 | Stewox | yeah the modifier list does |
| 07:33.03 | Stewox | but i don't know what is Configure Modifier Sets |
| 07:33.13 | Stewox | doesn't appear I can do anything there |
| 07:33.21 | Stewox | so i've skipped that |
| 07:33.27 | Stewox | since i don't know what to do inside |
| 07:33.44 | Otixa | drag stuff from the huge list on to the right |
| 07:34.21 | Stewox | yeah but what, turbosmooth was already in the modifier list before is went into Configure Modifier Sets |
| 07:34.37 | Stewox | the tutorial doesn't really cover how to setup viewport |
| 07:34.58 | Otixa | modifier sets adds buttons for easy access |
| 07:35.58 | Stewox | okay but where do these buttons show up ? |
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| 07:37.19 | Stewox | ah there |
| 07:37.27 | Stewox | yes i had to click Show Buttons for that |
| 07:37.30 | Stewox | okay, |
| 07:37.48 | Stewox | so i have drag it there |
| 07:37.58 | Stewox | okay now we're talking |
| 07:40.50 | Stewox | what about Arc Rotate Mode |
| 07:40.57 | Stewox | i can't find it in hotkeys list |
| 07:41.46 | Xethyr | anyone have any experience with making workarounds for multi-level pathing with bridges? |
| 07:41.56 | Xethyr | so units can walk under a bridge or over a bridge? |
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| 07:46.52 | Daara | uhm |
| 07:47.13 | Daara | you can't do multiple levels of pathing |
| 07:47.24 | Daara | the engine just can't do it |
| 07:47.37 | Daara | if you want to make a bride that ppl can walk on and under |
| 07:47.54 | Daara | you have to make it lose the footprint when ppl are going under |
| 07:48.00 | Daara | or gain it while going over |
| 07:48.08 | Xethyr | I know the engine doesnt support multi level pathing |
| 07:48.21 | Daara | you could make 2 versions of a model |
| 07:48.24 | Daara | 1 with walkable paths |
| 07:48.25 | Daara | and 1 without |
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| 07:48.38 | Daara | swap it when they enter an area |
| 07:48.48 | Daara | hey zolden |
| 07:48.53 | Daara | got a ? for you! |
| 07:49.12 | Xethyr | the main issue is that I want to deal with the case that there are units going over and under the bridge at the same time |
| 07:49.16 | Zolden | hey |
| 07:49.23 | Daara | i can't think of a way |
| 07:49.27 | Daara | so Zolden |
| 07:49.33 | Xethyr | ive heard of workarounds using behaviors based on where a unit enters a bridge |
| 07:49.35 | Daara | i can't believe i just noticed this |
| 07:49.54 | Daara | but...you can turn on all the meshes for a WoW character model and export it -_- |
| 07:50.01 | Xethyr | but then theres the issue of a unit walking off a bridge's side |
| 07:50.13 | Daara | problem is now that i have every single possible mesh for custimization... |
| 07:50.25 | Daara | how do i get it to be that customizable? |
| 07:51.02 | Daara | you could use the pathing thing that blocks a 1x1 |
| 07:51.13 | Daara | it's a unit |
| 07:52.23 | Xethyr | the pathing blocker would block units that want to move under the bridge |
| 07:52.53 | Stewox | EDIT GEOMETRY where can i find this panel in 3dsmax ? |
| 07:54.21 | Zolden | Daara to sure I udnerstand waht you asking |
| 07:54.21 | Otixa | apply editable poly modifier UNDER turbosmooth |
| 07:54.27 | Otixa | hai Zolden |
| 07:54.28 | Otixa | ;) |
| 07:54.33 | Zolden | hey |
| 07:55.11 | Daara | http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/Daara/AllArmor_zps3c26d35c.jpg |
| 07:55.38 | Otixa | smacks Daara |
| 07:55.42 | Otixa | No. Just no :c |
| 07:55.42 | Daara | I want to find a way to hide 27 variations of hair and only have the 1 the person wanted showing. |
| 07:56.00 | Stewox | Turbosmooth doesn't have a + like the tutorial has |
| 07:56.13 | Zolden | Daara hide them, at tools doesn't export waht is hidden |
| 07:56.24 | Daara | that's not what i want though |
| 07:56.31 | Daara | i only want to use 1 model |
| 07:56.39 | Zolden | you want animations to control it? |
| 07:56.49 | Stewox | i still do not see Edit Geometry panel |
| 07:56.52 | Daara | how would that even work? |
| 07:56.54 | Zolden | track sets can help you |
| 07:58.15 | Daara | i basically want like everything but 1 piece to be hidden depending on what armor you're wearing |
| 07:59.00 | Otixa | Stewox, select the editable poly modifier, it'll show up in the lower area |
| 07:59.05 | Otixa | Need to get shit done now |
| 07:59.08 | Otixa | glhf ;p |
| 07:59.28 | Zolden | Daara check how track sets work, maybe it will help |
| 07:59.37 | Zolden | or just attach stuff to the bold head |
| 08:00.34 | Stewox | no I want a permanent panel just like the tutorial |
| 08:01.14 | Stewox | i have 1080p screen |
| 08:01.22 | Stewox | it's too short |
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| 08:03.36 | Stewox | i get really dizzy when i need to scroll, it requires mouse percision which i do not get when doing stuff fast , i end up dragging the whole panel out of it position and it drives me absolutely mad when i can reset the UI |
| 08:04.27 | Stewox | i spend 3 4 times more time searching with mouse to click than actually working |
| 08:08.22 | Stewox | damn need to reboot |
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| 08:16.44 | Stewox | back |
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| 08:59.12 | kerrigan | Anyone know how to make Kerrigan K5 talk? |
| 08:59.30 | Guest77242 | when i click it? she doesn't talk like zeratul |
| 09:09.26 | Guest77242 | help me |
| 09:09.31 | Guest77242 | anyone? |
| 09:14.18 | Guest77242 | bye |
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| 10:34.56 | G0A | is there a way to stop camera pan and zoom actions? |
| 10:35.55 | A1win | issue a new pan to the current camera target? |
| 10:36.20 | G0A | okey |
| 10:36.33 | G0A | wasnt sure if new action stops ot |
| 10:36.34 | G0A | it* |
| 10:36.45 | G0A | (I mean new same action) |
| 10:37.01 | A1win | would be silly if it didn't :x |
| 10:38.15 | G0A | wouldnt be the first silly thing I experience in the editor:) |
| 10:43.13 | Bommes | most things make a lot of sense in the editor once you get used to it |
| 10:43.20 | Bommes | apart from changing textures |
| 10:43.32 | Bommes | changing textures is total shit |
| 10:46.41 | G0A | ehh what doesnt make sense in that? |
| 10:47.00 | G0A | and yeah most things make sense, but there are 1-2 that totally not:) |
| 10:48.07 | Bommes | it's way too complicated and for some textures it just flatout does not work to change them |
| 10:48.33 | Bommes | also some textures are automatically mapped to slots like main.diffuse, but you don't know which ones are and which ones aren't |
| 10:48.35 | Bommes | etc etc |
| 10:56.45 | G0A | hmm now that I think of, you are right |
| 10:57.23 | G0A | specially with models with multiple textures and with badly named textures |
| 11:39.57 | Stewox | oh look G0A |
| 11:40.05 | Stewox | just a conspiracy theory http://www.infowars.com/former-nsa-director-advocates-chinese-style-internet/ |
| 11:40.14 | Stewox | nothing to worry about |
| 11:41.03 | Stewox | it's no big deal, we should just roll some red carpet for china to walk on |
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| 12:59.57 | G0A | Stewox I thought BRIC arent part of nwo, hence chinese style internet is good. |
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| 13:39.43 | duckies | hey zenx |
| 13:39.49 | zenx | sup |
| 13:39.53 | duckies | how many episodes of dexter remain? |
| 13:40.02 | zenx | dunno |
| 13:40.06 | duckies | =D |
| 13:40.06 | zenx | you ask hard questions |
| 13:40.18 | zenx | you could jsut check from imdb |
| 13:41.16 | duckies | I checked TL thread, without spoiling myself too much I came to conclusion that there are only 1-2 more episodes and that dexer is horrible nowadays anyway |
| 13:43.36 | zenx | mm |
| 13:43.50 | zenx | I think its still watchable allthou the new characters seem so underwhelming |
| 13:48.59 | G0A | dont know why people like dexter |
| 13:49.18 | Dustin | I never really got into that show either |
| 13:49.26 | Dustin | Now breaking bad, that's another story |
| 13:50.15 | zenx | Im gona kill goa, that will teach goa to like dexter |
| 13:52.49 | duckies | it used to be cool.. a long long time ago. as in fresh and curious |
| 13:53.00 | zenx | btw |
| 13:53.08 | zenx | is there a way to remove all linked object at same time |
| 13:53.18 | zenx | like - damage, actor, model etc... |
| 13:53.26 | duckies | speaking about things that used to be good, have you seen curserader ending for reaper of souls? if not then you shouldn't, it's horrible |
| 13:53.29 | zenx | fucking anoying to go trough tabs cleaning stuff |
| 13:53.44 | zenx | duckies: new video? :O |
| 13:53.47 | zenx | gotta take a look |
| 13:54.05 | duckies | someone leaked blizzards in-office beta build |
| 13:54.14 | duckies | so ppl datamined stuff |
| 13:55.00 | duckies | the dialoge almost made me deaf |
| 13:56.20 | G0A | is it high quality? |
| 13:57.00 | zenx | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npJ-k0UVjBg&feature=player_embedded |
| 13:57.02 | zenx | meh... |
| 13:57.24 | zenx | just kinda dissapointed it shows what the last boss is (which wach expected) |
| 13:57.32 | zenx | but I was hoping for something different |
| 13:57.38 | zenx | oh well |
| 13:57.58 | A1win | damn my collision code is a mess |
| 13:58.34 | duckies | that will teach you to have expectations about blizz stuff! =D |
| 13:59.54 | G0A | wth Blizz has run out of money for cgi? |
| 14:00.25 | zenx | I think its more like "its good enough to make 1 cinematic to get people hooked" |
| 14:00.27 | zenx | rest can be shit |
| 14:00.28 | zenx | :D |
| 14:00.55 | zenx | more you look at the expansion more dissapointed you start to be |
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| 14:17.33 | A1win | yay, fixed an annoying bounce bug while cleaning this up o: |
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| 14:34.11 | zenx | gah |
| 14:34.15 | zenx | should I make another video demo |
| 14:34.17 | zenx | cause Im |
| 14:34.21 | zenx | im |
| 14:34.24 | zenx | getting demotivated |
| 14:40.00 | Bommes | wow, great naming conventions from Blizzard for the built in Forward Vector Site Ops |
| 14:40.25 | Bommes | "SOpForwardWest", "SOpForwardNorth", "SOpForwardEast", "SOpForwardDefault" |
| 14:40.33 | Bommes | tt |
| 14:43.37 | zenx | are you being sarcastic |
| 14:43.41 | Bommes | no |
| 14:44.24 | Bommes | there is no south, instead they named it default |
| 14:45.00 | zenx | aha, interesting :D |
| 14:45.02 | Bommes | (I needed South) |
| 14:45.24 | zenx | thats pretty gay :D |
| 14:45.25 | Bommes | well it's confusing |
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| 15:07.24 | zenx | duckies: how deep did you bury it? |
| 15:08.01 | duckies | pretty deep |
| 15:08.19 | duckies | I also erased the memory of the place so that nobody shall ever find it again |
| 15:08.43 | duckies | now to do the world a favor and find dispose of other 2 mil copies |
| 15:08.58 | zenx | I got new video for you soon |
| 15:09.12 | zenx | I got bored of mapping so I guess might as well share what Iv done and take a break again |
| 15:09.23 | duckies | so that in future where internet doesn't exist any more and we're back to physical data carriers nobody may find and experience same horrors as we did |
| 15:09.33 | duckies | sounds like a plan |
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| 16:33.38 | Dustin | Hi guys |
| 16:33.40 | Dustin | What's up |
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| 16:53.51 | from | hi.. Im trying to give the Nova Nuke Silo i think its called, make a sound when highlighted, i went into its actor and put a sound under Highlight and What.. But the sound doesent play when building is highlighted in game. Anyone know what could be wrong? |
| 16:55.29 | Dustin | Open the units settings and find the Flags area and make sure "Unit Cannot Be Highlighted" is unchecked |
| 16:55.46 | Dustin | Otherwise it wont send the signal to the game engine |
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| 16:56.48 | from | Ok i just tried that but same result |
| 16:57.38 | Dustin | Hmm I havent tried doing anything with highlighting in data so there mightb e something else |
| 16:57.44 | Dustin | But you can now do it by triggers |
| 16:58.01 | Dustin | If that's something you'd consider instead of the data approach |
| 16:59.03 | from | ok i might, i just think its wrong the building dont make any sound when clicked, when almost every other building does:) so just wanted to add a sound to it.. |
| 16:59.35 | Dustin | let me open my editor and look |
| 17:03.15 | from | allright |
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| 17:03.49 | Dustin | Hmm yeah that looks right |
| 17:03.52 | MoonEater | hola |
| 17:03.58 | Dustin | hello |
| 17:04.24 | MoonEater | whats going on in here? |
| 17:04.41 | from | trying to make a building "emit" a sound when highlighted/clicked |
| 17:05.45 | from | I thought it was just a matter of adding the sound under What in the buildings actor. But it doesent seem to work |
| 17:06.44 | MoonEater | i would think that also |
| 17:06.47 | MoonEater | the other thing u can do |
| 17:06.53 | MoonEater | is add a behavior when clicked |
| 17:06.57 | MoonEater | that adds a sound actor |
| 17:08.57 | MoonEater | jade helped me with a bunning man behavior |
| 17:08.58 | from | allright |
| 17:09.01 | MoonEater | i added a screem |
| 17:09.06 | MoonEater | when the behavior was added |
| 17:11.51 | from | this editor is so counter-intuitive... :) |
| 17:12.10 | from | im making a trigger now that is playing the sound when getting near the building. But how do i make the sound play for Triggering Player |
| 17:15.03 | from | only options are Play sound for (all players) or (players on team) or (active players) .... Why is there no option for triggering player |
| 17:15.22 | Dustin | From, you have to convert player to playergroup |
| 17:15.28 | Dustin | Look under Conversions |
| 17:15.50 | from | what? |
| 17:16.02 | Dustin | when it asks for the group you want to select |
| 17:16.20 | from | i see.... thanks |
| 17:16.21 | Dustin | Go to Functions -> Conversions -> Convert Player Group to Player |
| 17:16.22 | MoonEater | from, i think its that wya because of the nature of xml |
| 17:25.03 | A1win | yay... now I'm back to the point where I'm supposed to design new weapons but can't come up with anything that seems good enough |
| 17:25.32 | A1win | should probably just make something and then refine until it feels good |
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| 17:45.04 | zenx | ke3kek |
| 17:54.57 | duckies | have something you want to show? |
| 17:55.29 | duckies | oh, I see, a thread |
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| 17:57.33 | zenx | its time for a break thou |
| 17:57.41 | zenx | I burned myself out quite fast with mappng |
| 17:57.45 | zenx | faster than expected |
| 17:58.28 | ArcanePariah | Like anything else, need to take it in moderation :P, but yeah, I know how you feel, been there before |
| 17:58.58 | ArcanePariah | Espcially when it feels the solution to an issue is just outside your reach, and you keep going and going.... |
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| 18:34.30 | zenx | noooooooooooooooooooo |
| 18:34.34 | zenx | forgot to buy ketchup |
| 18:34.38 | zenx | my life is ruined |
| 18:39.26 | A1win | make food that tastes good without it ;> |
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| 18:46.10 | Fate_ | hey all |
| 18:46.57 | Fate_ | is there a way to attach a model to a unit when it builded an interceptor? |
| 18:47.30 | qtihuqoasf | well you will be first found out the results |
| 18:48.30 | Fate_ | u mean me? |
| 18:50.23 | qtihuqoasf | y im mean |
| 19:15.41 | Fate_ | okey i did it it was just a small workaround |
| 19:18.35 | qtihuqoasf | PARTY |
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| 19:33.23 | qtihuqoasf | since there is no really way to play the GTA5, at least soundtrack is up |
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| 19:37.26 | Triceron | poop |
| 19:44.04 | zenx | Im proud of my self, spent 1-2hours studying stuff instead of being on internet |
| 19:44.13 | zenx | I think Im almost worked enough to watch tv |
| 19:47.36 | qtihuqoasf | gz!!!! |
| 19:47.51 | qtihuqoasf | i still manage not to achieve anything |
| 20:43.53 | Fate_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTOlG_nu7vs&feature=youtu.be |
| 20:47.34 | Fate_ | hm the first 20 seconds hab bad quality |
| 20:55.36 | Fate_ | why does noone click on my links -.- |
| 20:58.56 | zenx | your map seems to be improved |
| 20:59.00 | zenx | lasers are cool |
| 20:59.15 | Fate_ | XD thanks |
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| 21:02.39 | Obscene | hi guys |
| 21:02.45 | Obscene | and any hidden gals |
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| 21:04.33 | Obscene | How is everyone? |
| 21:05.11 | Fate_ | good |
| 21:05.16 | Fate_ | thanks :) |
| 21:05.38 | Fate_ | i am doing progress on my map |
| 21:05.49 | Obscene | Ah, thats the warhammer one correct? |
| 21:05.54 | Fate_ | yep |
| 21:06.02 | Fate_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTOlG_nu7vs&feature=youtu.be |
| 21:06.02 | Obscene | yeah that was a pretty cool map when I played it |
| 21:06.14 | Fate_ | new weapon system in development |
| 21:06.20 | Obscene | nice |
| 21:08.47 | Bommes | looks cool |
| 21:09.42 | Bommes | what's the name of the missile model that you use for the bolter? |
| 21:10.06 | Fate_ | wait a sec i ll tell ya |
| 21:11.45 | Fate_ | FeldDarkBolterMissle (Dark Bolter Missle) |
| 21:11.45 | Fate_ | (Einfach) Art: CModel_ModelAssets\Effects\Terran\WraithLaserMissile\WraithLaserMissile.m3 |
| 21:12.03 | Fate_ | with changed tint color |
| 21:12.12 | Bommes | ah, it's the wraith one :) awesome, thanks |
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| 21:12.47 | Bommes | looks really good with the movers/scale/tint combination you are using |
| 21:13.04 | Fate_ | i didnt scale it i think |
| 21:13.16 | Fate_ | but thanks |
| 21:14.32 | Bommes | the only thing that looks a little weird is the launch attachment point, is that point correct? It might just look like that because it is a video and relatively low quality |
| 21:15.07 | A1win | whee got a reflective shield now, just bugs a bit if it reflects from a player who's right next to another |
| 21:15.08 | Fate_ | u mean the launch point for the missle? |
| 21:15.15 | Bommes | yeah and for the launch assets |
| 21:15.23 | Bommes | where the gunfire is coming from |
| 21:15.33 | Fate_ | yeah |
| 21:15.49 | Fate_ | still optimising it |
| 21:15.59 | Bommes | ok :) |
| 21:16.26 | Fate_ | not sure how to make the launch point the point of the attachment model |
| 21:17.13 | Bommes | you have to create a Site on the model |
| 21:17.32 | Bommes | and then put that Site into the "Launch Site" field of the action actor |
| 21:17.34 | Bommes | I think |
| 21:17.48 | Bommes | also check the flag use Launch Site or something like that in the action actor |
| 21:18.10 | Bommes | "Launch Force Site" is what its called |
| 21:18.56 | Fate_ | well the model has an attachment point at the right position |
| 21:19.39 | Fate_ | there is a way to make that attachment point the launch point of the missle |
| 21:19.54 | Fate_ | i just have to figure it out :) |
| 21:20.14 | Bommes | yeah by using a Site and then putting the point into the Attachment Query |
| 21:20.19 | Fate_ | ah |
| 21:21.14 | Fate_ | so i have to make a site op for that right? |
| 21:21.31 | Bommes | the actor type is just called Site I think |
| 21:22.07 | Bommes | and afair all you have to do is just create the Site on ActorCreation.YourBolterModel |
| 21:22.37 | Bommes | with the Host being your BolterModel and the Attach Site Ops something like HardPoint or whatever |
| 21:22.57 | Bommes | then add the Site into the "Launch Site" field of your action actor for the weapon and it should work |
| 21:23.29 | Bommes | but I'm sure there are explanations about that on Sc2M, I might be missing a step somewhere |
| 21:24.30 | Fate_ | i am on it :) |
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| 21:51.52 | Obscene | CANT FREAKING WAIT FOR TONIGHT!!! |
| 21:51.58 | Obscene | I AM GOING TO BE PULLING AN ALL NIGHTER!!!! |
| 21:52.01 | Obscene | NEED COFFEEEE |
| 21:52.11 | Obscene | I dont even like coffee, but I need some |
| 21:52.19 | Obscene | GTA V GTA V GTA V |
| 21:52.22 | A1win | drink coke |
| 21:52.34 | Obscene | Coke is for wusses, Pepsi will be downed though |
| 21:52.47 | A1win | ew |
| 21:52.49 | Obscene | Coke is a northern drink, the south drinks pepsi :P |
| 21:53.07 | Obscene | Coke has more carbonation and sugar, but pepsi has more carmal flavor. |
| 21:53.25 | Obscene | Rum and Pepsi, is better then a rum and coke, But rum and coke sounds better |
| 21:54.09 | zenx | whats so amazing about gta v |
| 21:54.13 | zenx | I make better games daily |
| 21:54.13 | DeadZergling | coke is for wusses, pepsi will be downed? |
| 21:54.18 | DeadZergling | pepsi is coke light |
| 21:55.37 | Obscene | lol |
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| 21:55.52 | Obscene | Zenx.... I guess your a PC master race newb |
| 21:56.29 | Obscene | Coke is sweeter, and more carmal :P, I wouldn't call it coke light, its a different cola, its like the difference between sprite and mountain dew |
| 21:56.40 | Obscene | dew is okay in slushis, but terrible on its own, Sprite is great |
| 21:57.04 | Obscene | I mean pepsi is sweeter and more carmal |
| 21:57.12 | A1win | and tastes worse |
| 21:57.24 | Obscene | Taste is an opinion :P |
| 21:57.38 | Obscene | I just say coke is for wusses because its primarily a northern drink |
| 21:58.08 | Obscene | I'm from the southern states, we enjoy Sweet tea over coffe, Grits over oatmeal, and pepsi over coke, for the most part |
| 21:58.22 | A1win | that's just an excuse for having a bad sense of taste |
| 21:58.23 | A1win | ;> |
| 21:58.37 | Obscene | lol |
| 21:58.59 | Obscene | HEY..... Dont insult tea and grits, pepsi your just insulting fond memories, but Tea and grits are a way of life! |
| 22:01.04 | Obscene | But in all seriousness, Imma be kinda delusional if I come online tonight |
| 22:02.33 | zenx | how about drink water |
| 22:02.37 | zenx | coke is for fat kids |
| 22:03.06 | zenx | I just watched program of fat people, I was disgusted by them |
| 22:03.08 | Obscene | Zenx.... I want the sugar..... to stay away.. |
| 22:03.14 | Obscene | Well they are disgusted by you :P |
| 22:03.58 | Obscene | Zenx I would much rather see someone fat, then underweight |
| 22:04.00 | zenx | they even make special AMBULANCES for fat people |
| 22:04.03 | zenx | how sad is that? |
| 22:04.08 | Obscene | Not really sad? |
| 22:04.25 | Obscene | They make special chairs and such for severly underweight people too |
| 22:04.25 | zenx | definetly underweight than overweight |
| 22:04.29 | Obscene | Zenx.... |
| 22:04.32 | zenx | even thou both can be sick |
| 22:04.46 | Obscene | Really? |
| 22:05.00 | zenx | special charis?! wtf |
| 22:05.04 | zenx | what kind of chairs are those |
| 22:05.09 | Obscene | Special chairs, beds and such |
| 22:05.11 | A1win | I drink a lot of coke all the time and I'm slightly underweight 8F |
| 22:05.42 | Obscene | They have no body fat to protect their bones.... trust me when I say zenx I have been to BOTH sides of the spectrum, you dont want to be Underweight EVER!!! |
| 22:05.42 | zenx | A1win stays fit by effectively transferring the energy he gains from coke to his awesome maps |
| 22:05.49 | Obscene | overweight you can still be happy easily |
| 22:06.00 | Obscene | Underweight is the worst torture there is |
| 22:06.04 | zenx | omfg |
| 22:06.06 | Obscene | atleast that I have experienced |
| 22:06.09 | zenx | if you cannot move 200m |
| 22:06.12 | zenx | I would say |
| 22:06.16 | zenx | its pretty fucking awfull |
| 22:06.29 | Obscene | Dude... I am talking about fat... not morbidly obese |
| 22:06.31 | Obscene | ... |
| 22:06.40 | Obscene | a fat guys is just slow running... |
| 22:06.42 | Obscene | lol |
| 22:06.53 | Obscene | You get 30 + lbs underweight... its hell |
| 22:07.06 | zenx | mobidly obese people are fat arent they? |
| 22:07.15 | zenx | why do you say other side of specture and deny the other |
| 22:07.18 | zenx | tt |
| 22:07.25 | Obscene | They are but your acting like only 30-40 lbs overweight is horrid |
| 22:07.35 | Obscene | I am saying one is worse then the other |
| 22:07.36 | DeadZergling | you don't even acknowledge the side he is going on about zenx |
| 22:07.43 | DeadZergling | you are the pot calling the kettle black |
| 22:08.18 | DeadZergling | or paula deen calling the (CENSORED) (CENSORED) |
| 22:08.25 | DeadZergling | obscene should understand that one very well |
| 22:08.38 | A1win | now I'm hungry |
| 22:08.48 | zenx | I would love a good pot of fat right now |
| 22:08.54 | zenx | thats where all the flavor is |
| 22:08.59 | A1win | I forgot to buy bacon D: |
| 22:09.07 | Obscene | Trust me Zenx, when I was on ADHD medicine I was 75 lbs underweight |
| 22:09.14 | Obscene | I could barely stand. |
| 22:09.44 | zenx | you shouldnt really take people on the internet too seriosly |
| 22:09.47 | Obscene | Then when I went off of it, I shot up to about 350 lbs(I am tall this is about 100 lbs overweight for my height) Which I am not working on getting down |
| 22:10.04 | Obscene | Which I am working on getting down* |
| 22:10.18 | DeadZergling | should lose it soon, drinking weak ass pepsi |
| 22:10.20 | Obscene | This is also the reason I am completely against most medicine |
| 22:10.24 | Obscene | hahaha |
| 22:10.28 | Obscene | I dont drink pepsi |
| 22:10.39 | Obscene | I drink Sweet tea, and water 99% of the time |
| 22:10.41 | DeadZergling | according to a message, by YOU, you do |
| 22:10.44 | Obscene | soda is very occasional |
| 22:10.56 | from | anyone have an idea why adding a sound when building is being clicked wont work? is there a common rookie mistake when trying to do this? |
| 22:11.01 | zenx | I havent even got a clue what lbs is in kgs |
| 22:11.07 | zenx | silly americans |
| 22:11.27 | DeadZergling | the metric system, for people who fail at conversions |
| 22:11.29 | Obscene | 1 lb is about .45 kg |
| 22:11.39 | zenx | hahaha :D |
| 22:11.40 | Obscene | so i was roguhgly 30 kgs underweight |
| 22:11.55 | zenx | I would love to see one good argument that would not support metric system |
| 22:12.02 | zenx | metric system master race |
| 22:12.07 | Obscene | not really. |
| 22:12.13 | DeadZergling | the master race fails at conversions apparently |
| 22:12.16 | Obscene | Metric system is just another way of measuring |
| 22:12.17 | Obscene | :P |
| 22:12.26 | Obscene | Its an easier way, but thats about it |
| 22:12.29 | Obscene | its no better or worse |
| 22:12.32 | DeadZergling | I understand english and metric |
| 22:12.36 | zenx | its way better |
| 22:12.36 | Obscene | Same here DZ |
| 22:12.38 | DeadZergling | converting between the 2 is no big deal |
| 22:12.39 | Obscene | USA teaches both |
| 22:12.40 | zenx | no other way around it |
| 22:12.58 | Obscene | Zenx is really only what you prefer |
| 22:13.10 | zenx | I would not want to learn lesser form of measurement |
| 22:13.15 | Obscene | Imperial was the standard before metric came to simplify it, The USA stuck with Imperial |
| 22:13.18 | DeadZergling | he doesn't even know 1 lb ~ 2.2 kg |
| 22:13.26 | DeadZergling | he obviously doesn't know conversions |
| 22:13.29 | Obscene | 1 lb = .45 kb |
| 22:13.30 | Obscene | :P |
| 22:13.39 | zenx | as I said before I do not know |
| 22:13.42 | zenx | so yea pretty obvious |
| 22:13.42 | Obscene | https://www.google.com/search?q=lbss+to+kg&rlz=1C1NIKB_enUS507US507&oq=lbss+to+kg&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3.3942j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=lbs+to+kg&spell=1 |
| 22:13.45 | DeadZergling | oh sorry, 1 kg ~ 2.2 lb, my bad obscene :) |
| 22:13.52 | Obscene | lol |
| 22:14.27 | Obscene | Yeah |
| 22:14.41 | DeadZergling | it really isn't too bad, just remembering things like 1 in = 2.54 cm |
| 22:14.42 | Obscene | But yeah Zenx, dont look down on anyone, remember usually people are the weight they are for a reason |
| 22:14.45 | Obscene | Usually Depression |
| 22:14.52 | DeadZergling | can do any conversions you want |
| 22:14.54 | from | Trying to add sound to a building, i only have to change its actor right? |
| 22:15.05 | Obscene | And tlaking shit doesnt help the situation and only makes it worse |
| 22:15.07 | DeadZergling | should be the actor, aye |
| 22:15.38 | Obscene | If you really dont liek that then dedicate some time to helping someone who is weight impaired in either direction(not trying to be politically correct just wanted to include both sides in the same words) |
| 22:16.21 | zenx | jeesus fucking crist I was just talking shit relaaaaaaax |
| 22:16.40 | Obscene | hahahah |
| 22:16.43 | Obscene | I gtg |
| 22:16.49 | zenx | ggbb |
| 22:16.51 | Obscene | cya later :P I am just educating a bit :P |
| 22:17.00 | Obscene | No hard feeligns either way |
| 22:17.17 | DeadZergling | now look what you did zenx |
| 22:17.23 | zenx | I feel bad |
| 22:17.30 | DeadZergling | you made the depressed 100 lb overweight obscene leave |
| 22:17.30 | zenx | I shall cry myself to sleep |
| 22:17.49 | A1win | eat a cookie while you're at it |
| 22:18.05 | DeadZergling | eat a dozen, if you know what that means in europe |
| 22:18.22 | from | Do i have to enable some events to be send before the sounds will play? |
| 22:18.28 | from | ..regarding adding sound to an actor |
| 22:18.49 | DeadZergling | depends from, I know unit actors are sort of supposed to be all encompassing in some ways |
| 22:18.56 | DeadZergling | i typically end up making simple sound one shot actors though |
| 22:19.04 | from | ugh:) |
| 22:19.13 | from | even tho you call it simple, it sounds complicated |
| 22:19.17 | DeadZergling | I'm sure someone like kueken/jade |
| 22:19.26 | from | there is already an actor tied to the building, i just ant this actor to encopass the sounds as well |
| 22:19.27 | DeadZergling | would know a more proper way of doing it |
| 22:19.37 | DeadZergling | However, I can only explain what I know :) |
| 22:20.15 | from | allright ill just experiment some more |
| 22:20.18 | A1win | look how it's done in the existing unit actors |
| 22:20.35 | from | i was successful in adding sound to one building just by adding it in the actor |
| 22:20.38 | DeadZergling | that works to an extent A1win, I'm not sure he will see much though |
| 22:20.43 | from | but these two other buildings are giving me trouble for some reason |
| 22:20.49 | DeadZergling | the editor has a fine way of not showing stuff set by default |
| 22:20.58 | DeadZergling | in the events |
| 22:21.20 | from | i just wonder what the difference is between the building that plays sound when clicked, and the ones that dont |
| 22:21.21 | A1win | mm dunno |
| 22:21.55 | A1win | there's a No Portrait Talk in unit flags |
| 22:21.59 | A1win | check if that's on/off |
| 22:27.58 | A1win | mmh for some reason my ships bounce harder from objects than from planets... or maybe it just feels like that because gravity is stronger near planets |
| 22:29.06 | DeadZergling | makes sense |
| 22:29.37 | A1win | but even if the object is on a planet's surface where it's very close to the planet |
| 22:32.10 | Fate_ | ahh that launch point wont work |
| 22:42.17 | A1win | mmh still feels like sometimes I get like double bounce or something x_x |
| 22:49.13 | A1win | yeah weird, it's supposed to halve the velocity but it only reduces it by a little... |
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| 22:51.36 | A1win | and sometimes it's higher after the bounce O_o |
| 22:52.43 | MoonEater | hihi |
| 22:53.59 | A1win | the higher the impact speed, the less the bounce reduces it x_X |
| 22:54.12 | A1win | ohh right |
| 22:54.18 | A1win | the speed of light thing fucks it up |
| 22:54.30 | A1win | it can accelerate to opposite direction faster |
| 22:55.35 | MoonEater | A1win |
| 22:55.41 | MoonEater | u should have dynamic maps |
| 22:55.44 | MoonEater | like |
| 22:55.49 | MoonEater | change the planet location |
| 22:55.54 | A1win | yeah |
| 22:56.02 | MoonEater | black holes and giant planets n such |
| 22:56.02 | A1win | no need for that yet though |
| 23:01.38 | A1win | :O I think I fixed it |
| 23:02.39 | A1win | was just nullifying the current velocity by adding an opposing force but that force was also affected by speed of light, so it was actually something else |
| 23:04.28 | A1win | yeah now it feels right |
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| 23:12.17 | A1win | increased speed of light a bit, was too easy to achieve it o: |
| 23:12.22 | A1win | *reach it |
| 23:14.34 | A1win | oh yeah I already had some ideas how to implement the randomly generated map... just make it a triangle grid, delete a few planets at random, combine a few planets (delete one and move the other one half way towards the first one), and then adjust all positions a little at random |
| 23:15.05 | A1win | that way the distances remain good but it's still pretty random |
| 23:25.58 | A1win | ahh, adjusted gravity values higher, had already forgotten how much it was supposed to affect the projectiles |
| 23:28.01 | A1win | should I display cooldowns in blizzard time or in real time :E |
| 23:28.51 | A1win | though then I'd also have to define them in real time so that they can be full seconds... |
| 23:29.44 | A1win | hmm though 5 blizzard seconds are exactly 7 real seconds so if I keep them in 5 sec increments they'll be in full seconds |
| 23:31.01 | A1win | oh wait it's the other way round |
| 23:32.20 | A1win | 5 blizz seconds is 3.571429 real seconds, whee <.< |
| 23:33.30 | A1win | oh well I'll define them as round(time / game speed f actor) |
| 23:33.42 | A1win | *factor |
| 23:34.12 | A1win | err multiplied, not divided |
| 23:34.38 | A1win | and no rounding >_> ugh |
| 23:36.55 | A1win | bah then I'd have to show all duration info in real seconds, not a good idea :x |
| 23:48.56 | DeadZergling | I'd say something, but it seems your conversation is quite self-contained A1win |
| 23:49.10 | A1win | ;> |
| 23:50.17 | A1win | been doing a lot of work on the map for a few days but I feel like I haven't gotten very far D: mostly just been fixing stuff and testing alternatives |
| 23:50.35 | A1win | the only actually new stuff is this game mode and a reflective shield ability... |
| 23:53.29 | A1win | oh yeah I should make that gravitational pull projectile |
| 23:55.10 | A1win | sleep time first |
| 23:56.16 | Stewox | hi deadzergling |
| 23:56.55 | DeadZergling | good luck sleeping A1win, a lot going on up there |
| 23:57.01 | DeadZergling | Hello Stewox |
| 23:58.09 | Stewox | in terms of sc2 around here what do you specialize for ? |
| 23:58.24 | Stewox | 3dsmax or programming ... |
| 23:59.17 | Stewox | just wondering if i could get a tip from someone |
| 23:59.25 | Stewox | Otixa probably isn't here |
