| 00:00.09 | Almaity | I'd guess behavior + an effect |
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| 00:00.24 | Almaity | not sure what effect type it is again that gives resources |
| 00:01.29 | Stewox | ah i found |
| 00:01.36 | Stewox | one is resource other is buff |
| 00:01.57 | Stewox | both behaviors |
| 00:02.09 | Stewox | maybe i can make 2 for minerals as well |
| 00:02.18 | Stewox | i want to make secondary money source |
| 00:02.55 | Stewox | just like C&C Generals |
| 00:03.12 | Stewox | im tired of sitting in base without money |
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| 00:41.33 | JademusSreg | Zooop. |
| 00:42.58 | JademusSreg | Stew, you mean like the supply caches? |
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| 01:00.20 | MoonEater | Jade had the stack overflow |
| 01:00.22 | MoonEater | just now |
| 01:00.37 | MoonEater | of a recursive function |
| 01:00.48 | JademusSreg | Yar. |
| 01:01.00 | MoonEater | u said u wanted to see the error? |
| 01:01.04 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 01:01.14 | MoonEater | let me get it again |
| 01:12.47 | Stewox | i mean like drop zone |
| 01:13.00 | Stewox | i already got it i think |
| 01:13.07 | JademusSreg | kk |
| 01:13.11 | Stewox | 2 behaviors , one effect, 2 validators |
| 01:13.15 | Stewox | for each factions |
| 01:13.24 | Stewox | now need a special building for each |
| 01:13.30 | Stewox | and that's it probably |
| 01:13.32 | Stewox | just |
| 01:13.39 | Stewox | to spare me searching |
| 01:14.06 | Stewox | seems like there is an actor event setup for displaing the moving +N money ingame |
| 01:14.12 | Stewox | do you know how that is called |
| 01:14.18 | Stewox | same thing as displaing XP in hots |
| 01:14.26 | Stewox | above the triggering unit |
| 01:14.58 | JademusSreg | TextTag actors; you can find good examples in Core and LibertyCampaign, iirc. |
| 01:15.08 | JademusSreg | The automated refinery, for example. |
| 01:15.16 | Stewox | your profile doens't say anything about being a moderator btw |
| 01:15.29 | JademusSreg | Orange. |
| 01:15.41 | Stewox | yeah the automated refinery is the only thing of such nature |
| 01:15.50 | Stewox | atleast in wol |
| 01:15.53 | JademusSreg | Also, resource powerups. |
| 01:16.09 | JademusSreg | Such as those collected on agria and xelnaga ship. |
| 01:23.09 | Stewox | oh i want specifically for structures |
| 01:23.29 | Stewox | and to avoid terrain modifications |
| 01:23.50 | Stewox | can I convert a map to a mod ? |
| 01:23.56 | Stewox | because I only have data |
| 01:24.15 | JademusSreg | Kind of, yeah, shouldn't be too difficult. |
| 01:24.29 | Stewox | youre an expert on manual stuff |
| 01:26.14 | Almaity | I think you can do that by saving as .sc2components, deleting all the terrain related stuff (might have to open the components file itself in notepad and delete an entry), saving again as a map and then just renaming it to .sc2mod (Not sure if deleting terrain stuff is even necessary) |
| 01:26.21 | JademusSreg | There's a few approaches. Which would you prefer? MPQEditing, SC2Components, Copy-pasta between active documents, or a potentially unstable archive conversion? |
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| 01:27.11 | Stewox | yeah i guess i can figure it out |
| 01:27.22 | Stewox | i only need to replace one file inside anyways right ? |
| 01:27.45 | Stewox | also, what is Ground pathing used for |
| 01:28.04 | Almaity | I think its to say that ground units can walk there |
| 01:28.11 | JademusSreg | You'd want to compare a blank map to a blank mod, I expect, to determine what is necessary. |
| 01:28.26 | Almaity | havent tried, but I assume you could make units walk over cliffs by painting groun pathing |
| 01:28.34 | JademusSreg | Explicit Ground pathing overrides other pathing*. |
| 01:29.05 | Stewox | no |
| 01:29.09 | Stewox | that is Remove Pathing |
| 01:29.16 | Stewox | Ground is green |
| 01:29.35 | Stewox | maybe it means no-fly zone ? |
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| 01:29.46 | Almaity | no fly zones aren't painted iirc |
| 01:29.58 | JademusSreg | applies fingers to brow center. |
| 01:29.58 | Almaity | pretty sure the explicit ground pathing is "everything can walk here" |
| 01:30.17 | Stewox | the use of a no-fly zone blocker is very unpractical i've seen |
| 01:30.49 | Almaity | Well, if there were a practical way of doing it, I doubt we'd have the unpractical blocker |
| 01:30.51 | Stewox | what's the point of a ground if it has no specific purpose from nopathing |
| 01:31.15 | Stewox | blockers aren't good for large surfaces |
| 01:31.26 | JademusSreg | Similarly, why index arrays from zero? |
| 01:31.34 | Almaity | if you're painting pathing, you can paint ground pathing over otherwise unwalkable terrain (Like cliffs) to make them count as regular ground |
| 01:32.00 | JademusSreg | Why even have a word for empty? =D |
| 01:32.13 | MoonEater | https://www.dropbox.com/s/3bjmtkqikunosvv/Screenshot2013-09-13%2018_16_31.jpg |
| 01:32.16 | MoonEater | there u go jade |
| 01:32.25 | JademusSreg | It's like stuff isn't there, why are we even talking about it, ya know maaan? |
| 01:33.52 | MoonEater | im not sure why u find it interesting |
| 01:34.09 | MoonEater | writing a book about error messages perhaps? |
| 01:34.49 | Stewox | emm so units would just all be able to walk on cliffs like through them |
| 01:35.25 | JademusSreg | Wow, 2x recursive self-burn combo. |
| 01:36.06 | JademusSreg | Both "nested threads" and "stack overflow". That is sort of impressive in a perverse way. Nicely done. |
| 01:36.42 | MoonEater | lol |
| 01:36.43 | MoonEater | well |
| 01:36.46 | MoonEater | ty |
| 01:36.49 | MoonEater | and its not the burn |
| 01:36.53 | MoonEater | the burn works fine |
| 01:36.58 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:38.26 | MoonEater | its caused by pathing issue |
| 01:38.30 | MoonEater | its being all funy |
| 01:39.22 | MoonEater | it only suppose to spawn when there proper pathing out to space |
| 01:39.34 | MoonEater | however its stacking ontop of eachother in odd areas |
| 01:41.26 | JademusSreg | Collide array flags, mover, data or trigger based creation, many variables involved. |
| 01:42.06 | MoonEater | doing it via trigger |
| 01:42.13 | MoonEater | it searches for omni lights |
| 01:42.17 | MoonEater | 2 away |
| 01:42.20 | MoonEater | in addition |
| 01:42.28 | Stewox | hey |
| 01:42.30 | Stewox | i have trouble |
| 01:42.34 | MoonEater | checks if the curtrent location is cliff edge |
| 01:42.35 | MoonEater | and |
| 01:42.41 | Stewox | the validator for a command center |
| 01:42.43 | MoonEater | if the current location is pathable |
| 01:42.48 | MoonEater | but also pathable to space |
| 01:42.55 | Stewox | is connected to Requirement "Don't have Command Center" |
| 01:43.15 | Stewox | this is connected to an Alias_Command Center , action Complete |
| 01:43.34 | Stewox | there is no Alias Nexus and Alias Hatchery/Lair/Hive |
| 01:43.47 | Stewox | can I just use normal units without this Alias |
| 01:44.21 | JademusSreg | Yeah, aliases are pretty arbitrary anyway. |
| 01:44.25 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 01:47.56 | Stewox | hey |
| 01:47.58 | Stewox | if it is Completed |
| 01:48.12 | Stewox | won't the State be completed forever if it's onece ? |
| 01:48.34 | Stewox | because this is stuff made for Campaign |
| 01:48.42 | Stewox | State: Completed |
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| 01:50.38 | Juxtapoz | is map night going on lol |
| 01:51.10 | Almaity | EU map night should be over |
| 01:51.16 | Almaity | it's 3:51 AM |
| 01:51.48 | Juxtapoz | oh |
| 01:51.52 | Juxtapoz | lol |
| 01:55.51 | Stewox | hey |
| 01:55.58 | Stewox | i need to put more stuff in requirement |
| 01:56.06 | Stewox | i don't know how to make NOT AND OR stuff |
| 01:56.16 | Stewox | stuff must be under NOT |
| 01:56.38 | Stewox | but the stuff inside should be on AND, not OR |
| 01:58.19 | Almaity | I only ever used the expressions tab in requirements, there != is not, || is or, && is and iirc |
| 01:59.14 | Stewox | doesn't tell me much about the order i need to use these |
| 02:02.00 | Almaity | Not sure exactly how you want em to be, but if all of them have to be "not", not comes first (Think of it like brackets in math: not( a , b, ((c and d) OR e) ), not sure if this helps or im just spouting irrelevant nonsense :/ |
| 02:11.24 | Stewox | no sc2 works different |
| 02:11.37 | Stewox | it has NOT for everything at first |
| 02:11.39 | Stewox | as well as and |
| 02:11.42 | Stewox | i figured it out now |
| 02:11.50 | Stewox | bcause I found how to use the UI |
| 02:12.16 | Stewox | the Add Requirement Node was greyed out all the time until i figured which one to select when |
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| 02:28.18 | MoonEater | im back |
| 02:56.00 | Repo | New asset: Cooldown Viewer (For MoBA/DotA Games) - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/cooldown-viewer-mobadota-games/ |
| 02:56.00 | Repo | New asset: Cortex Toolkit - Forge Extensions - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/cortex-toolkit/ |
| 02:56.01 | Repo | New asset: TC = UMOJAN MARINE - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/tc-umojan-marine/ |
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| 03:37.33 | MoonEater | geez... |
| 03:37.36 | MoonEater | this sucks |
| 03:37.41 | MoonEater | its like it doesnt work... |
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| 04:05.14 | MoonEater | ArcanePariah |
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| 04:30.57 | Obscene | MAMA!!! JUST KILLED A MAN, PUT A GUN UP TO HIS HEAD, PULLED THE TRIGGER NOW HES DEAD!!!! |
| 04:36.33 | Stewox | hey guys |
| 04:36.36 | Stewox | anyone here |
| 04:36.46 | Stewox | how do i remove Refinery GYSER requirement |
| 04:36.50 | Stewox | so i can build em anywhere |
| 04:36.56 | Obscene | Its on teh foot print |
| 04:36.56 | Stewox | footprint? |
| 04:37.00 | Obscene | and the Build On field |
| 04:37.02 | Obscene | in the units tab |
| 04:37.31 | Obscene | also you gotta turn the refinery into a resource if you still want it useable |
| 04:39.25 | Stewox | it's fine im using this for automated refinery |
| 04:39.34 | Stewox | it's the footprint indeed |
| 04:39.39 | Stewox | build on field |
| 04:39.41 | Stewox | hmm |
| 04:40.52 | Stewox | oh, i wouldn't have noticed that |
| 04:40.54 | Stewox | thanks a lot |
| 04:42.13 | Stewox | can I make an AI build a building via Data or i need triggers |
| 04:42.18 | Stewox | a new custom building |
| 04:42.28 | Stewox | but still in melee rules |
| 04:42.53 | Stewox | it's used for MP but just so I can test |
| 04:43.12 | Stewox | well it doesn't really matter where, if it's just for test i won't use it but maybe i can include AI support if it's data |
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| 04:43.28 | Stewox | but then again it doesn't have to be data exclusively |
| 04:44.35 | Stewox | i meant more as a smart way of telling the AI to build at least 5 or 10 of these buildings in any given game, kind of saves a lot of writting in triggers, and AI will decide where to build it |
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| 04:47.39 | ArcanePariah | Stewox, all AI is done in triggers, most of the built in game AI for build orders and what not are found in galaxy scripts inside the core data files |
| 04:48.06 | Stewox | hmm |
| 04:48.14 | Stewox | any way to edit those and add stuff ? |
| 04:48.16 | Stewox | kidn of a plugin |
| 04:48.19 | ArcanePariah | So to build AI build orders, you will need to write triggers, lots of them in fact, and use the AI trigger actions |
| 04:48.43 | Stewox | i just need 2 buildings to be built |
| 04:48.51 | Stewox | in tier 3 |
| 04:49.01 | Stewox | mid-to-late gma |
| 04:49.03 | Stewox | game |
| 04:49.27 | Stewox | for example terran has 2, Protoss has 1 |
| 04:49.42 | Stewox | zerg may have something else |
| 04:50.01 | ArcanePariah | Then simply make a trigger, that when X time has elapsed, check if the requirements have been fufilled, if so, find a worker and use Issue AI Order to build the structure and tell it where |
| 04:50.04 | ArcanePariah | to build it |
| 04:50.18 | Stewox | where ? |
| 04:50.31 | ArcanePariah | Where to make the trigger? |
| 04:50.57 | Stewox | well does it work without having to use terrain location exactly, for example (natural, main, 3rd expansion) |
| 04:51.01 | Stewox | hardcoded location |
| 04:51.16 | Stewox | so I can use this as a MOD |
| 04:51.25 | Stewox | not only as a map |
| 04:51.28 | MoonEater | anyone know a good resource for planet names? |
| 04:51.36 | ArcanePariah | I believe there is AI functionality for determining town (base) locations, and you can then use that as a reference point |
| 04:51.38 | Stewox | yeah mooneater |
| 04:51.42 | Stewox | P3X-888 |
| 04:51.49 | MoonEater | bleh |
| 04:52.10 | MoonEater | stargate fanes |
| 04:52.47 | Stewox | thanks arcane |
| 04:55.20 | Stewox | what did you mean Lots of them, actions or what, each for every single building, or I can just make a number up and tell it how many he needs to build arcanepariah |
| 04:56.44 | ArcanePariah | You can write a trigger/action for every single unit, and place the function name in the Tactical AI Function field of the Unit, the unit (when on a AI team) will constantly use that function to govern its behavior, it is how High Templar decide to use feedbacka and when to use storm |
| 04:57.49 | Stewox | yeah but if I make this on a probe |
| 04:57.58 | ArcanePariah | Then it will be just one fucntion |
| 04:58.01 | Stewox | will the ai be bugged trying to use many probes to buiold something |
| 04:58.07 | Stewox | workers* |
| 04:58.24 | Stewox | they don't really have a proper AI editor right |
| 04:58.36 | ArcanePariah | No, because as part of the function, you can simply check every probe's order queue, if any other probe has that order already, end the function and do nothing |
| 04:58.44 | Stewox | should I use the Ai editor or just plain trigger ? |
| 04:58.56 | ArcanePariah | Trigger, the AI editor is for attack waves |
| 04:59.02 | Stewox | ah indeed |
| 04:59.27 | Stewox | also another thing, do you know anyone goo in 3dsmax here, for SC2 modelling ? |
| 04:59.47 | ArcanePariah | Stewox: Nope |
| 05:12.39 | JademusSreg | Zoopish |
| 05:24.54 | Obscene | Zipish |
| 05:25.56 | Obscene | MAMA, LIFE HAD JUST BEGUN!!!, BUT NOW I'VE GONE AND THROWN IT ALL AWAY!!! |
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| 06:06.38 | Stewox | jademussreg |
| 06:06.43 | Stewox | where is textag |
| 06:06.47 | Stewox | in actor events ? |
| 06:07.37 | JademusSreg | There should be a text actor type. |
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| 06:08.47 | Stewox | where ? |
| 06:09.17 | JademusSreg | I'll launch the editor, to provide more detailed instruction. One moment. |
| 06:09.44 | MoonEater | damnit |
| 06:09.53 | MoonEater | the game is unstable |
| 06:10.06 | MoonEater | but i cant figure out whats crashing it cause it doesnt always crash |
| 06:10.06 | Stewox | there's only one actor , i've surely looked everywhere i could before aksing |
| 06:10.24 | JademusSreg | Moon, what in the nine hells are you doing for shit to flip so thoroughly? |
| 06:10.47 | MoonEater | not much |
| 06:10.55 | MoonEater | most everyhting is debuged and optimize |
| 06:11.07 | MoonEater | there very little lag considering the complexity of the scripts and such |
| 06:11.08 | MoonEater | but |
| 06:11.19 | MoonEater | now it crashes randomly and not often |
| 06:12.37 | JademusSreg | Moon, don't take this as an affront, but nearly everything I've seen you do is or goes wrong. So I grill you more when I help you to ensure it is done correctly. |
| 06:13.39 | MoonEater | u should see my scripts |
| 06:13.50 | MoonEater | :P |
| 06:14.06 | JademusSreg | Stew, I've got all the text actors before me. Now describe the design; what do you aim to do? |
| 06:14.17 | JademusSreg | Moon, pastebin or dropbox em. =D |
| 06:15.24 | MoonEater | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.51 | JademusSreg | Whatever you prefer, Moon. |
| 06:16.00 | Stewox | i want to show the money |
| 06:16.10 | JademusSreg | The income, ya? |
| 06:16.11 | Stewox | just like the +5 is shown in campaign |
| 06:16.15 | JademusSreg | Got it. |
| 06:16.25 | MoonEater | http://pastebin.com/e0ZxdWLG |
| 06:16.30 | Stewox | isn't this already coded ? |
| 06:16.36 | JademusSreg | Gimme a moment to type out the instructions, Stew. |
| 06:16.37 | MoonEater | dont take me for too much of a noob now |
| 06:16.50 | MoonEater | but i started this map last friday i think |
| 06:17.11 | MoonEater | still concept but most of it has been optimized for effecienty |
| 06:17.17 | Stewox | also jademus check the event timers about effect for Automatic Vespene Harvesting, and also, i need to make this event stuff so it will work for another building |
| 06:17.21 | Stewox | i have vespene on Refinery |
| 06:17.31 | Stewox | Minerals for Merc Compount (renamed to Mineral Drop Zone) |
| 06:17.40 | MoonEater | Oh, and i use pick player cause im lazy |
| 06:17.49 | MoonEater | dont care if u dont like it |
| 06:18.02 | Stewox | i've done all the effects/behaviors/validators/requirements/scv/button data code, except actors |
| 06:19.59 | Stewox | also jademus, i'm placing Automated Refinery on any ground, no gyser, i've set unlimited amount and capacity with -1 |
| 06:20.10 | Stewox | but in XML it's a very big number 425524245252562 |
| 06:20.15 | Stewox | still, ingame it shows -1 |
| 06:20.40 | Stewox | maybe this doesn't work , because when i built the ADV refinery, it was RED, it wasn't pumping |
| 06:21.11 | Stewox | i need to have a button cooldown kind of (reverse cooldown, countdown) so i can see if it's working or it's progress |
| 06:21.30 | Stewox | because I have set up X minerals every 120 seoncds |
| 06:21.41 | Stewox | yeah i could modify this for testing but... |
| 06:22.15 | Stewox | still the progress button was my plan from start to use, it's always annoying to me to not know progress, |
| 06:22.32 | JademusSreg | Damn, hoped to have an elegant solution, but sadly, the SetText message only works with actor events which concern such values. |
| 06:22.49 | MoonEater | ? |
| 06:22.53 | Stewox | also Merc Compound doesn't have any moving building parts, maybe some lights to blink so i know it's working = |
| 06:23.21 | Stewox | what would that mean |
| 06:23.37 | Stewox | why do I even have to do this, isn't this already done by campaign ? |
| 06:24.37 | JademusSreg | Note, it's easier to read sentences, paragraphs even, than it is to follow a conversation haiku over many lines. So I'll need a moment to parse all that, haha. |
| 06:25.05 | MoonEater | im bored |
| 06:26.55 | JademusSreg | Stew, I understand you want a text actor similar to the automated flatulence harvesters, yes. Kind of fuzzy on all the other stuff you said. |
| 06:31.53 | JademusSreg | Also, do you mean you've not created the text actor and such, or haven't created any of the actors for this special structure? |
| 06:32.36 | Stewox | i haven't done anything |
| 06:32.42 | Stewox | i duplicated it and that's it |
| 06:33.08 | Stewox | i don't know where it is but, shouldn't it already be setup considering it works in campaign |
| 06:33.11 | Stewox | out of the box |
| 06:33.56 | JademusSreg | Alright. I usually don't approve of dupe, but whatever, the automated refinery actor events are fuck-mess anyway, so it's cool. |
| 06:34.36 | JademusSreg | And duplicating pretty much always breaks stuff; pastebin the xml for it so I know where to start. =D |
| 06:35.08 | Stewox | i duplicated the actor as well |
| 06:35.15 | Stewox | i tested in game seems like it works |
| 06:35.30 | Stewox | but it doesn't, i really didn't had time because i was defeated by ai |
| 06:36.06 | JademusSreg | Alright. So pastebin all the actor stuff related to it, I'll take a look. |
| 06:36.14 | Stewox | donsn't mater if i duplicated |
| 06:36.21 | Stewox | why don't you just look at the original |
| 06:36.32 | Stewox | i can't find it |
| 06:36.48 | JademusSreg | shrugs. |
| 06:36.49 | Stewox | because AFAIK it already does this |
| 06:37.01 | Stewox | it should be there, the code is there, i don't know what it is |
| 06:37.19 | Stewox | i played a lot of campaing |
| 06:37.38 | Stewox | i remember Automated Refinery always having resources show up on it |
| 06:37.55 | Stewox | +5 +5 all the time |
| 06:38.54 | Stewox | also I need to remove Campaign related stuff to make this work too, i see it validates for some campaign upgrades |
| 06:39.02 | Stewox | so i'll make another test in the meantime |
| 06:39.20 | JademusSreg | Well, the XML data entries would have id="blahblah" in the opening tag of the element, where "blahblah" is the the value below Name in the Data Entry Property. It's also visible in raw data view in addition to the data entry name. |
| 06:39.21 | Stewox | I found it |
| 06:39.30 | Stewox | it's in event |
| 06:39.48 | Stewox | Create Automated Refinery Text Kicker |
| 06:39.58 | MoonEater | anyways |
| 06:40.04 | MoonEater | u got my script jade |
| 06:40.05 | MoonEater | so |
| 06:40.07 | MoonEater | im off to bed |
| 06:40.15 | MoonEater | hope its more than u expected |
| 06:40.20 | JademusSreg | Additionally, the entry highlighted when one switches to the XML view is the entry at which it starts. |
| 06:40.29 | JademusSreg | It's slightly more, yes. |
| 06:40.46 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 06:40.56 | Stewox | maybe i didn't, i don't know, but it has something to do with text |
| 06:41.22 | Stewox | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="us-ascii"?> |
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| 06:43.32 | Stewox | here it is |
| 06:43.33 | Stewox | http://pastebin.com/xgub5jCd |
| 06:43.35 | Stewox | not sure what's the point as this is the same as original |
| 06:45.07 | JademusSreg | Haha |
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| 06:46.51 | JademusSreg | Stew, I may have your solution. |
| 06:47.04 | JademusSreg | Simple, fortunately. |
| 06:48.53 | Stewox | not sure what the timer is for |
| 06:48.54 | JademusSreg | All the Effect.harvestshit.Start events need to refer to your effects. |
| 06:48.55 | Stewox | 5 secs |
| 06:49.07 | Stewox | well i mentioned that before |
| 06:49.12 | Stewox | im doing this right now |
| 06:49.19 | JademusSreg | Make the timer match the interval at which you mine. |
| 06:49.22 | Stewox | but i just renamed TextKicker5 to 1000 |
| 06:49.25 | Stewox | maybe it'll work |
| 06:49.34 | Stewox | i didn't find anything to type into textkicker |
| 06:49.44 | Stewox | ah |
| 06:49.49 | Stewox | okay |
| 06:50.17 | JademusSreg | To set the text of the text actor, find the Text field. |
| 06:51.07 | Stewox | that's your text actor ? |
| 06:51.07 | JademusSreg | Super easy to find with View settings: Table View, Combined Structure Values enabled, all other view options disavled. |
| 06:51.46 | JademusSreg | <s val="Kicker_Refinery">+5</s><IMG path="Assets\Textures\icon-gas-terran.dds" height="32" width="32"/> |
| 06:52.38 | Stewox | there is no value |
| 06:52.44 | Stewox | editor UI shows no value |
| 06:52.45 | JademusSreg | For example, that's in the Text field of the text actor AutomatedReflimflamTestesKicker5 |
| 06:53.15 | Stewox | in the events |
| 06:53.50 | JademusSreg | Yeah, it doesn't. |
| 06:53.56 | Stewox | i don't see that kind of code |
| 06:56.01 | Stewox | i have trouble finding this cod |
| 06:56.10 | JademusSreg | Separate entries. |
| 06:56.36 | Stewox | i don't know how it is called |
| 06:56.46 | JademusSreg | The unit actor creates the text actor, the text actor has a field Text. |
| 06:57.47 | Stewox | i dont' see any actors more than one |
| 06:59.45 | JademusSreg | I don't understand what you intend to say. |
| 07:00.00 | Stewox | i don't know this |
| 07:00.04 | Stewox | i don't see kicker |
| 07:00.07 | Stewox | i don't see +5 |
| 07:00.15 | Stewox | i don't see img path |
| 07:00.56 | JademusSreg | Ah, so you're standing at a deadend, but have yet to reverse course. Which is to say, it's not in the actor events. |
| 07:01.28 | Stewox | i searched everywhere |
| 07:01.31 | Stewox | i have no idea |
| 07:02.45 | Stewox | on another note |
| 07:02.53 | Stewox | im copying stuff to MERC compound |
| 07:02.55 | Stewox | events |
| 07:02.59 | Stewox | to make this thing work there |
| 07:03.01 | Stewox | Minerals |
| 07:03.06 | Stewox | * |
| 07:03.23 | JademusSreg | Yeah, it's easy to copy pasta. |
| 07:03.40 | Stewox | i don't need animations but i need timers right |
| 07:04.01 | JademusSreg | Of course, SetText has a field for setting text, which is nice, but the Text actor has a field for it. |
| 07:04.07 | JademusSreg | Yes, |
| 07:05.36 | Stewox | there is no such thing as SetText |
| 07:06.55 | JademusSreg | Don't even need to worry about it. |
| 07:07.41 | Stewox | okay then what are you talking about |
| 07:09.52 | JademusSreg | To set the text, go to the text actor entry and change it from the Text field. |
| 07:10.03 | Stewox | i have no idea where or what a text actor is |
| 07:10.17 | Stewox | the textkicker event blizzard did |
| 07:10.26 | Stewox | has empty value field |
| 07:13.43 | JademusSreg | The thing created when the timer expires. |
| 07:18.25 | Stewox | doesn't look like it |
| 07:18.31 | Stewox | timer seems like it's for animations |
| 07:20.32 | Stewox | holy shit, there is a physical nigerian email prince scam |
| 07:20.51 | Stewox | allegly came into east austin texas |
| 07:24.11 | Stewox | well maybe timers make it stop |
| 07:24.14 | Stewox | the effect |
| 07:24.36 | Stewox | it's created when the effect runs |
| 07:24.49 | Stewox | but the timer makes it stopped so it can be started again |
| 07:25.02 | Stewox | or what |
| 07:26.30 | JademusSreg | Oh my mistake. |
| 07:26.35 | JademusSreg | Yeah, fuck that timer. |
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| 07:52.08 | Zolden | A1win haven't this morning brought you the solution? |
| 07:52.22 | Zolden | Obscene you know what |
| 07:52.27 | Obscene | ? |
| 07:52.43 | Obscene | what zolden |
| 07:53.34 | Zolden | The hero buttons or some othere buttons are blocked by theri images |
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| 07:53.46 | Obscene | What you do play my map? |
| 07:53.48 | Zolden | and can be pressed only at sides |
| 07:53.58 | Obscene | Thats strange |
| 07:53.59 | Zolden | it's not related to the locale problem |
| 07:54.14 | Obscene | It works on my local and my US version of the map perfectly |
| 07:54.18 | Obscene | Ill check it out later |
| 07:54.25 | Obscene | it might be a latest patch fuck up |
| 08:01.36 | Obscene | Thx for telling me zolden |
| 08:01.45 | Obscene | Do you like the map now that the param errors are gone? |
| 08:06.38 | JademusSreg | Ah, yes, reminds me I need to test the model. |
| 08:19.12 | A1win | Zolden, just woke up ;p |
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| 08:29.16 | Zolden | JademusSreg it's a good remindation, because I'll leave at monday, and would like to finish it, unless you don't care about waiting 2-3 weeks until I get modellingly available again |
| 08:57.37 | A1win | does anyone know from the top of their head how the resolution detection script thingy works? |
| 09:01.32 | Zolden | if it wants you to press a button at top right, it maybe gets mouse coordcinates at button pressed, and increase them a bit, until they fit one of the standard resolutions |
| 09:01.41 | A1win | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/40002-library-improved-get-resolution/ |
| 09:02.03 | A1win | there's one that doesn't use click, but needs time |
| 09:02.38 | Zolden | so if coordinates were like 1011 x 751, it will return 1024x768 |
| 09:03.07 | A1win | hmm just loading time |
| 09:03.40 | Zolden | how much time does it need? |
| 09:04.14 | Zolden | can it check player's max mouse coordinates during that time? |
| 09:04.23 | A1win | it creates a lot of dialogs and uses those to detect it |
| 09:04.34 | A1win | 2-3 sec |
| 09:04.35 | A1win | ;p |
| 09:04.41 | A1win | load time |
| 09:04.51 | Zolden | interesting, and where is the idea? |
| 09:05.03 | A1win | no idea, just found that thread with search |
| 09:05.54 | A1win | hmm comments say it has some problems though |
| 09:06.34 | A1win | oh it uses mouse movement |
| 09:07.09 | A1win | and compares dialog hovered and mouse moved event results |
| 09:07.34 | A1win | err... but if those aren't synced, wouldn't this have the same problem as I have now |
| 09:08.24 | Zolden | how to make a mover to not turn the missile to the direction of moving, holding one orientation vector instead? |
| 09:14.48 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 09:15.23 | zenx | ah |
| 09:15.23 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 09:15.25 | zenx | this new map of mine |
| 09:15.31 | zenx | is gona |
| 09:15.31 | zenx | be |
| 09:15.32 | A1win | JademusSreg, any ideas how I could use mouse screen coordinates instead of world? :E |
| 09:15.32 | zenx | great |
| 09:15.35 | JademusSreg | See Yoink. |
| 09:15.47 | JademusSreg | *Zol, see Yoink. |
| 09:16.24 | JademusSreg | The viper pulls a unit with a launch missile effect; unit maintains facing. |
| 09:18.27 | JademusSreg | A1, since only the angle relative to the unit matters, don't quite see how UI pos would be an improvement. |
| 09:18.47 | A1win | it would always be in sync |
| 09:18.54 | A1win | to the center of the screen |
| 09:19.10 | A1win | but I don't know what the center of screen is in UI coordinates without some crazy trickery |
| 09:19.58 | JademusSreg | There's no elegant solution, even now. |
| 09:20.32 | JademusSreg | But there is a least ugly solution. |
| 09:21.15 | A1win | well I'd probably take anything that works and doesn't destroy user experience |
| 09:21.20 | JademusSreg | You've played photon cycles or other mouse camera control maps, yes? |
| 09:21.32 | A1win | not really :P |
| 09:21.46 | JademusSreg | Literally not ever, even once? |
| 09:21.52 | A1win | can't remember any |
| 09:21.57 | A1win | *playing anyh |
| 09:21.59 | A1win | -h |
| 09:22.30 | JademusSreg | Would I be off the mark if I simply assume you've not played any maps? Haha |
| 09:22.38 | JademusSreg | But seriously, it's relevant. |
| 09:22.42 | A1win | haha, well I've played a few sometimes |
| 09:23.23 | A1win | which only increased my reluctance to try others ;p |
| 09:23.32 | JademusSreg | When you use mouse rotate camera, the cursor (if not hidden) is visibly locked in the center of the screen. |
| 09:23.48 | A1win | hmmmm true |
| 09:23.52 | Zolden | JademusSreg thanks, it helped |
| 09:23.54 | JademusSreg | So this may work- |
| 09:24.50 | JademusSreg | Turn on track mouse, turn on mouse camera rotation shit, the mouse -may- register a move to the screen center, then you can disable the other shit after a tick. |
| 09:25.17 | JademusSreg | No problem, Zol. |
| 09:25.40 | A1win | how do I know which mouse moved event is the one that moved the mouse to the center though? ;p |
| 09:26.03 | JademusSreg | Doesn't matter. |
| 09:26.21 | JademusSreg | You've seen Input script, yes? |
| 09:26.34 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/j4bwz |
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| 09:26.46 | A1win | what about it? |
| 09:26.55 | JademusSreg | Go down to function Input_MouseMove |
| 09:27.32 | JademusSreg | It demonstrably doesn't matter. =D |
| 09:27.39 | A1win | mmh? |
| 09:28.44 | JademusSreg | You see how it handles the mount moved event responses, yeah? |
| 09:30.01 | A1win | yeah...? D: but how does this help me tell which event was the one that moved the mouse to the center of the screen, and not like the next one that occurs when the user moves the mouse again |
| 09:31.14 | JademusSreg | Ah, but see attempts to move the mouse while it is locked don't trigger the event. |
| 09:31.51 | JademusSreg | So if it works at all, it would through the sequence I described only detect the movement to center. |
| 09:33.12 | A1win | yeah it doesn't trigger even the first time... however |
| 09:33.25 | A1win | err nvm |
| 09:33.28 | A1win | no however :P |
| 09:33.44 | JademusSreg | Caveat: it might be the lock mouse action that centers the mouse, rather than camera blahblahblah, but I tend to use them together and am not certain which actually does it. |
| 09:33.47 | A1win | was going to say that what if I catch the first time it moves afterwards but that wouldn't necessarily be in the center |
| 09:34.04 | A1win | yeah it's the ock camera mouse relative mode |
| 09:34.07 | A1win | *lock |
| 09:34.36 | A1win | no event fired :< |
| 09:35.34 | JademusSreg | Click to begin. |
| 09:35.39 | JademusSreg | Hahah |
| 09:35.47 | A1win | you can still move the mouse while it's locked |
| 09:36.06 | A1win | and if you click while moving it, it returns off-center coordinates |
| 09:36.23 | A1win | "hold your mouse very very still and click to begin" |
| 09:36.24 | A1win | <.< |
| 09:36.43 | A1win | err... apparently the ship isn't even in the actual center of the screen O_o |
| 09:36.46 | JademusSreg | Cycle back a moment, like I said there are two actions that must be used in tandem for proper mouse camera rotation. |
| 09:36.49 | A1win | slightly below it |
| 09:36.57 | A1win | oh |
| 09:37.33 | JademusSreg | Even sasy as much in the GUI tooltip, iirc. |
| 09:37.36 | JademusSreg | *says |
| 09:37.48 | A1win | but how does that help to catch the event? |
| 09:37.51 | A1win | I mean to firfe it |
| 09:37.53 | A1win | x_X |
| 09:38.04 | A1win | looks like I'm still not properly woken up |
| 09:38.39 | A1win | I mean you can still move the mouse while it's locked to the center, it isn't actually *locked*, just moved back there constantly |
| 09:39.12 | JademusSreg | Does it fire the event? |
| 09:40.09 | A1win | no |
| 09:40.34 | JademusSreg | I ask out of curiousity; it doesn't matter. Since it's still locked, that means a click should still sync as in center. |
| 09:40.34 | illidan | ]/nick jaken |
| 09:40.44 | jaken | there.... |
| 09:40.46 | A1win | but if you click, the coordinates that are returned are based on the actual mouse position, not the position where it's locked at |
| 09:40.47 | jaken | FFS... |
| 09:40.50 | jaken | hell with it |
| 09:40.54 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 09:41.13 | JademusSreg | In local or bnet, A1? =D |
| 09:41.19 | A1win | local |
| 09:41.32 | A1win | but I'm pretty sure it'll do that on bnet too, the mouse events are funny like that >_> |
| 09:42.09 | A1win | it sends all the mouse positions over the net that occur, not just one every game frame |
| 09:42.42 | JademusSreg | Still, try a little Click to Begin on bnet, see what the UI pos happens to be. |
| 09:42.51 | A1win | I think it just takes the OS mouse position and sends that data with the event |
| 09:43.07 | JademusSreg | If it fails, the entire approach is fucked in addition to being silly. |
| 09:43.49 | A1win | which approach? |
| 09:44.50 | Zolden | the one when "ordos approaching" |
| 09:44.59 | A1win | the mouse locking one? |
| 09:45.08 | JademusSreg | How I suggested getting the center. But also needing to get the UI resolution in general seems silly. |
| 09:45.12 | A1win | mm |
| 09:45.59 | A1win | yeah fails just the same way as locally |
| 09:46.17 | JademusSreg | Glad we've conclusively ruled it out. |
| 09:47.22 | A1win | why would they make the mouse world pos not sync with the game x_x |
| 09:48.05 | JademusSreg | Oh, you mean why the hell can it execute so damn much? |
| 09:48.14 | JademusSreg | When it's useless to do so. |
| 09:48.25 | A1win | dunno |
| 09:48.50 | A1win | is that even related D: |
| 09:48.50 | JademusSreg | I didn't understand what you meant by that yesterday. Duh me. |
| 09:49.00 | A1win | I mean |
| 09:49.37 | A1win | when you move or click the mouse and get the coordinates from that event, those coordinates are not in sync with let's say the position of a unit where it was at the time you clicked |
| 09:50.16 | A1win | it feels like it just sends the event without any reference to what the game time was at the time of the click |
| 09:50.38 | JademusSreg | Hm, never seen that, but sounds like a logical consequence of what I described. |
| 09:50.53 | A1win | it's not in sync even locally |
| 09:51.05 | A1win | if my ship isn't moving, the aiming is perfectly accurate |
| 09:51.20 | A1win | but as soon as I'm moving and aim the ship, the aiming gets constantly a bit off |
| 09:51.38 | A1win | and on bnet, the more lag there is, the more it gets off |
| 09:52.15 | JademusSreg | So I take it you decided to not use Input library? |
| 09:52.44 | A1win | dunno, I don't think it'd make any difference to this issue |
| 09:53.50 | JademusSreg | Never had such trouble with it myself. Input capture is logically a separate system from however that input may be used. |
| 09:53.56 | G0A | Arcade highlight: |
| 09:53.57 | G0A | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/10970487/arcade-highlight-subjection-9-13-2013 |
| 09:54.15 | G0A | did anyone participated last day map night? |
| 09:54.28 | A1win | the problem is that I need to compare the position of a moving unit to the clicked world position and need that angle to match what the user *sees* on the screen |
| 09:55.34 | Bommes | what do you mean, match what the user sees? |
| 09:55.43 | Bommes | like the facing of the moving unit is the problem? or what are we talking about |
| 09:55.50 | JademusSreg | I look forward to my planned surgical script implant. |
| 09:57.08 | JademusSreg | Also, suspect the approach taken to attachment may also be problematic, but I've not looked at the data. =D |
| 09:57.10 | Bommes | also, hello |
| 09:57.32 | JademusSreg | Hi thar Bom. |
| 09:57.48 | A1win | nothing wrong with the attachment, it wasn't even there all the time |
| 09:59.07 | JademusSreg | Insufficient context, dunno what you mean. But no worries. |
| 09:59.46 | A1win | summary of the problem: the user aims the ship by positioning the cursor relative to the center of the screen (where the ship is), and I'm doing it by getting the angle between the cursor world position and the unit position... however, because the mouse position is not in sync with the game (and the position of the unit), the angle I read is not correct |
| 10:00.04 | A1win | what do you mean by attachment? |
| 10:00.14 | Bommes | okay |
| 10:00.55 | Bommes | of course the mouse position is not in sync with the game, if it was it would be laggy as shit |
| 10:01.17 | A1win | just like any other controls |
| 10:01.28 | JademusSreg | Since way back, attaching has refered to, er, attaching things together. |
| 10:01.36 | A1win | <.< |
| 10:01.44 | JademusSreg | Like attaching a ghost atop an ultralisk for a chess map. |
| 10:01.44 | A1win | which attachment are you talking about |
| 10:02.11 | Bommes | so the ships facing should follow the mouse cursor? |
| 10:02.15 | JademusSreg | Not attachment -point-, attaching. |
| 10:02.16 | Bommes | do I understand that right? |
| 10:02.25 | A1win | Bommes, yes, but not just aesthetically |
| 10:03.33 | JademusSreg | A number of ways and senses of its use. Attaching invariable involves models in some way, though. |
| 10:03.51 | A1win | I have no idea what you're talking about D: |
| 10:03.53 | Bommes | what do you mean, not just aesthetically |
| 10:04.12 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/Stukov%20and%20Infested%20Friends.jpg |
| 10:04.53 | Bommes | anyways, any time you need to read mouse positions and need it to be in sync with the game you should use units that follow the cursor and always reference the unit position instead of the mouse cursor position |
| 10:04.54 | JademusSreg | Attachments in action. =D |
| 10:05.15 | A1win | Bommes, umm and how do I make units follow the cursor? |
| 10:05.56 | Bommes | periodically issue an order at the lowest possible step of 0.0625s |
| 10:05.59 | Bommes | works well enough |
| 10:06.00 | JademusSreg | I expect that's a reference to the hover/highlight approach. |
| 10:06.14 | A1win | Bommes, yeah... that's what I'm doing |
| 10:06.22 | Bommes | so the camera movement is your problem probably |
| 10:06.24 | A1win | the unit's facing is not the problem |
| 10:06.44 | Bommes | is your camera centered on the unit? |
| 10:06.52 | A1win | yes |
| 10:07.10 | A1win | and yeah that is the problem; the camera moves along with the unit |
| 10:07.15 | Bommes | then read the distance and angle between your unit and the mouse unit periodically |
| 10:07.25 | Bommes | and adjust the position of the mouseunit if the camera moves |
| 10:07.32 | A1win | mouse unit? |
| 10:07.47 | Bommes | yeah that unit that follows the mouse cursor |
| 10:08.06 | A1win | why would I need a unit to follow the mouse cursor O_o |
| 10:08.29 | Bommes | because you want your other unit to face in the right direction? |
| 10:08.45 | A1win | I can just turn it with the script, that's not the issue |
| 10:08.48 | A1win | getting the correct angle is |
| 10:09.14 | Bommes | then don't use a unit and just save the last recorded mouse position or something |
| 10:09.20 | Bommes | could work as well, idk |
| 10:09.28 | Bommes | you just have to take camera movement into account |
| 10:09.40 | Bommes | because camera movement doesn't fire the mouse moved event |
| 10:09.48 | JademusSreg | Time for me to perform surgery. |
| 10:09.50 | Bommes | and from what I understand thats your problem |
| 10:09.54 | A1win | nope |
| 10:10.05 | A1win | I only need the angle between the unit and the mouse position |
| 10:10.13 | A1win | so I only store the angle whenever mouse is moved/clicked |
| 10:10.57 | A1win | but whenever there is lag, the points get out of sync, and the angle is incorrect |
| 10:11.15 | Bommes | how can points get out of sync |
| 10:11.19 | Bommes | points are just points, they don't change |
| 10:11.30 | A1win | they do, the unit is moving |
| 10:11.41 | A1win | -> the camera is moving |
| 10:12.28 | Bommes | well as I said, then use a unit that you spawn at the point you clicked or something |
| 10:12.42 | Bommes | orders and everything around units is always in sync with the game |
| 10:13.16 | JademusSreg | This will be fun. =D |
| 10:13.22 | A1win | @.@ |
| 10:14.20 | A1win | the unit would still be spawned at the incorrect position |
| 10:14.51 | Bommes | well thats what input latency over bnet is |
| 10:15.26 | Bommes | or I'm still not understanding what the issue is |
| 10:17.02 | JademusSreg | starts by making backups of the GUI and mapscript. |
| 10:17.26 | A1win | 1) at game time t0 the unit is at point P0 and the mouse is clicked at point Q0, the angle between those points is a0 2) after a short period of time that it takes for the data to be synced, time t1, the unit is at point P1 and the point Q0 is received from the event, and the angle is calculated between P1 and Q0 as angle a1... if P0 != P1, a0 != a1 |
| 10:18.08 | A1win | P0 and P1 are different if the unit (and the camera) have moved |
| 10:18.42 | A1win | if lag is small, that is almost unnoticable, and works well enough |
| 10:18.57 | A1win | but as soon as there's more lag, the ship starts to get impossible to aim correctly |
| 10:19.58 | A1win | and I don't mean as "it just lags" but the lag makes it so that the point clicked is incorrect relative to the unit, so that when you try to aim, it might even turn the ship to the opposite direction if the point lags too much |
| 10:20.50 | A1win | so it's not just control lag, it's asynchronous control lag, which makes it feel completely random sometimes |
| 10:20.53 | Bommes | again, but that is a camera issue because you centered the camera on top of the unit and your mouse cursor moves relative to the camera, giving you the illusion that the point is incorrect |
| 10:21.06 | Bommes | but the point of the mouse clicked event is correct |
| 10:21.13 | A1win | I know |
| 10:21.24 | A1win | it's incorrect in relation to the center of the camera |
| 10:21.35 | A1win | which is what I need |
| 10:22.06 | A1win | *I need its relative position to the camera target |
| 10:22.12 | A1win | (or the unit position) |
| 10:22.29 | Bommes | again, I would use a unit that follows the mouse related events, simply because this unit always has a point and isn't based around a singular event |
| 10:22.46 | A1win | wouldn't solve the issue |
| 10:22.48 | Bommes | that way you can use periodic events on a very small step and perform math on that related to what the camera does |
| 10:22.55 | Bommes | based on distance and angle |
| 10:23.13 | A1win | a point stored in a variable would do the same thing |
| 10:23.24 | A1win | but the problem is, lag is not a constant period of time, can't predict it |
| 10:24.13 | Bommes | indeed |
| 10:24.44 | A1win | so if I could use screen coordinates instead of world, this would work a lot better... but I'd need some hack to get the center of the screen |
| 10:24.44 | Bommes | so I still don't understand what you are trying to do |
| 10:25.30 | A1win | >.< just when I thought we finally came to an understanding |
| 10:25.35 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 10:25.51 | Bommes | yeah I mean to me it sounds like you are trying to circumvent bnet lag |
| 10:25.51 | A1win | I need the controls to be synchronous, not randomly asynchronous due to lag |
| 10:26.00 | Bommes | but thats pretty established that that's not possible |
| 10:26.05 | A1win | no :P |
| 10:26.48 | A1win | I don't mind the lag itself, I just need a way to synchronously compare the center of the screen to the position of the mouse cursor |
| 10:27.02 | A1win | I don't care if that relation is synched with a delay, I just need it to be accurate |
| 10:28.42 | Bommes | is it possible to summarize the method of how you are trying to accomplish that right now? like that type of events are you using and how does the basic setup look like |
| 10:28.54 | Bommes | or even paste the scripts if thats possible |
| 10:29.23 | Zolden | A1win still don't wnat to use a button at top right? You could ask players about game mode, so it won't affect anything if they click at start once |
| 10:29.37 | A1win | mouse clicked/moved: save angle between points (position of player ship unit) and (mouse clicked/moved coordinates) |
| 10:30.26 | A1win | I mean, that is the way it's implemented atm, and it becomes unbearable when there is lag |
| 10:30.48 | A1win | so yeah I'm pretty sure I'll have to use screen coordinates instead |
| 10:31.29 | A1win | Zolden, I guess I'll need something like that |
| 10:32.39 | Bommes | well you need to perform some kind of periodic action to sync the points up when your camera is moving, I thought we established that earlier. Have you tried anything in that direction? |
| 10:33.18 | Bommes | like periodically save your unit position, save the distance and angle to the point clicked, and perform everything on these values rather than just the values from the asynchronous event that happened |
| 10:33.29 | A1win | ._o |
| 10:33.46 | A1win | there's no way to sync the points, the mouse coordinates are *always* asynchronous |
| 10:35.53 | A1win | I don't need to keep the *points* updated constantly, just the angle, and the angle only changes whenever the mouse is clicked/moved |
| 10:36.50 | A1win | but because the mouse coordinates are not synchronous, the angle is sometimes wrong if the camera is moving, which is why the best solution would be using screen coordinates instead of world coordinates |
| 10:36.54 | JademusSreg | Source forked, GUI deleted, now to decompose the map script. |
| 10:43.13 | Bommes | A1win: Well, it would be, but you don't have access to the screen coordinates to my knowledge. |
| 10:43.29 | A1win | I do, just not the resolution |
| 10:44.58 | A1win | need to "trick" the user into giving it |
| 10:45.51 | Bommes | tried this one? http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/trigger-libraries/18759-library-ui-screen-to-world-projection/ |
| 10:45.59 | A1win | JademusSreg, if you're thinking of figuring this issue out, I doubt you can do anything about it either :P |
| 10:46.10 | G0A | Zolden nice documentary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJU (you will like it:) ) |
| 10:46.12 | A1win | Bommes, no I don't need screen to world projection |
| 10:46.29 | A1win | I know the ship is always at the center of the screen |
| 10:47.07 | A1win | I just need the screen coordinates of the center of the screen, which blizzard has made painfully difficult for us :P |
| 10:48.27 | A1win | there are some libraries to detect screen resolution, I need to apply something like that |
| 10:50.36 | Zolden | G0A thanks, seems interesting |
| 10:56.40 | A1win | there is one thing I could do that would fix everything, though... >.> |
| 10:57.52 | A1win | starts with a 'U' and ends in 'nity' |
| 10:58.03 | JademusSreg | Oh, I'm recoding your map with my scripts to see if it will perform better. |
| 10:58.10 | G0A | Zolden I just love anything which touches social cycles |
| 10:58.21 | A1win | ;x |
| 10:58.41 | A1win | well I'm sure it can be optimized a bit, just won't solve the mouse issue |
| 10:58.44 | Zolden | social photon cycles |
| 10:58.51 | G0A | :) |
| 11:02.08 | Zolden | oh shit |
| 11:02.19 | Zolden | I just fuking witnessed that shit |
| 11:02.33 | Zolden | if we search for timer name in terms, editor crashes |
| 11:02.37 | Zolden | so gay |
| 11:02.49 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 11:05.08 | Bommes | well, we warned you multiple times |
| 11:05.16 | Bommes | you can only blame yourself! |
| 11:06.53 | A1win | so... now to think of the best way of getting a user's resolution x.x |
| 11:06.53 | Zolden | Bommes actually it helped, and I started ctrl+s'ing irrationally frequent, and this time I saved exactly before entering events fields |
| 11:08.03 | A1win | "click on your ship to begin" <.< |
| 11:08.16 | A1win | then someone clicks elsewhere and is screwed |
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| 11:41.02 | A1win | ummmm......... Zolden, you actually provided a solution to this problem yesterday but I only now realized it will work @.@ |
| 11:41.46 | A1win | when you said to use the mouse world position <-> center of screen vector to adjust the mouse screen position |
| 11:42.03 | A1win | I think my argument was something like "but what if it doens't work the first time" |
| 11:42.22 | A1win | but I lacked the understanding that if the camera does NOT move, it *will* be right |
| 11:42.41 | A1win | and as it happens, at the start of the game, the camera does not move... |
| 11:43.21 | A1win | so I just need two pairs of screen and world mouse coordinates to calculate the center of the screen, more if I want to make sure it's accurate |
| 11:43.42 | A1win | when the user moves the mouse over the screen, I'll get a dozen |
| 11:43.53 | A1win | so I just need to make sure the user moves the mouse at least once before the game begins |
| 11:44.35 | A1win | which will be easy by having some kind of a pre-game options thingy where the user must click at least two buttons that are in different parts of the UU |
| 11:44.38 | A1win | *UI |
| 11:45.11 | A1win | only problem is that the camera target is not necessarily exactly at the screen center, but maybe that can be corrected somehow... let's hope it's a constant |
| 11:45.30 | A1win | or at least small enogh error that it won't make a huge difference |
| 11:46.48 | A1win | but first I think I should test that the screen coordinate thing actually works |
| 11:47.02 | Zolden | yea |
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| 11:49.12 | A1win | time to do some trigonometry... every time I use it, I instantly forget how it works |
| 11:49.24 | A1win | always have to look up even the most basic formulas from wikipedia ;p |
| 11:55.01 | Zolden | yea, formulas... I have a fat math hand book for it |
| 11:56.37 | Bommes | Hmm, can I get a high res version of parts of the HotS intro cinematic somewhere? For example the image that they use at the beginning of the Arcade Highlight video http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hfRPq_PTAQI |
| 11:57.57 | A1win | oh it *is* top left and not bottom left where 0,0 is |
| 11:58.14 | A1win | was wondering why I was getting wrong angles :x |
| 11:59.27 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 12:01.55 | A1win | cool, now to tie this into the ship's facing... |
| 12:02.10 | Bommes | Zolden: Yeah, I also save a new version of the whole map every hour or so simply for the unlikely event of corrupting something or messing something up in an unlikely way that can't be reserved |
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| 12:02.32 | Bommes | also ctrl+s all the time :D |
| 12:02.46 | Bommes | *reversed, not reserved |
| 12:03.00 | Zolden | good idea |
| 12:03.57 | Zolden | once electricity shut down in the moment I was saving my music, and the whole file got fucked, lost that music |
| 12:03.57 | Bommes | plus connecting the latest file to my dropbox so I have a file that is independent from the whole harddrive |
| 12:04.22 | Bommes | yeah, worst thing ever... |
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| 12:08.27 | JademusSreg | The music continued leaping from one existence to the next; the music never found its way home. |
| 12:08.33 | A1win | hmm that went well, game stopped responding to my controls altogether |
| 12:09.32 | A1win | oh whoops removed a bit too much code |
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| 12:15.12 | A1win | :O it works, now the hard part... |
| 12:15.29 | JademusSreg | I can see few people here watched the existentially horrifying ending to the series Quantum Leap. |
| 12:15.51 | Bommes | I didn't even watch the beginning. |
| 12:15.57 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 12:16.46 | JademusSreg | Old scifi show starring a guy with a kinda silly name. |
| 12:19.38 | Zolden | when they were jumping between times, waking in the beginning in unwanted situations like gay porn shooting, and trying hard to escape the whole episode? |
| 12:20.25 | Zolden | and the whole thing had a global final? |
| 12:20.35 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 12:20.43 | Zolden | and what it was? |
| 12:20.58 | Zolden | I like the global end of the weeds series: they all got high |
| 12:22.17 | Zolden | oh, based on that message of yours, i can suppose, that the searies ended with "leaping never ended" |
| 12:22.27 | A1win | mmh I wonder how I should do this |
| 12:22.48 | Zolden | so, jsut same as weeds, nothing changed at final |
| 12:25.31 | JademusSreg | Yes. To my 8-year-old larval self, the ending was intriguing and horrifying. =D |
| 12:27.32 | Zolden | JademusSreg eternity is one of the most horrifying thing ever, but mature people are not afraid of it anymore, because they learned to not believe in it |
| 12:28.53 | JademusSreg | Don't have time to wax philosophic, sadly. Been awake a few days, gotta get some rest. |
| 12:28.55 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 12:29.05 | Zolden | yea, rest |
| 12:29.18 | Bommes | I think what Jade is trying to say is that after that striking event he went into his cocoon and later returned as a beautiful butterfly. |
| 12:30.13 | Zolden | humans are only butterflies when they are inspired, most of time they are dirty monkeys |
| 12:42.07 | A1win | yay more maths x.x |
| 12:42.33 | A1win | I need to calculate where two lines intersect, I know one point from each line and that line's angle relative to x axis |
| 12:44.43 | Zolden | two lines intersection coordinate, somwhere should be a formula |
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| 13:00.45 | Deaod | 2D? |
| 13:01.55 | A1win | yeah |
| 13:02.08 | A1win | here's some algorithm in the comments http://stackoverflow.com/questions/832959/line-intersection |
| 13:03.25 | Deaod | angle i assume is -180 <= x <=180? |
| 13:03.35 | A1win | yeah |
| 13:35.14 | Zolden | what sound would fit this attack? http://snag.gy/lmenf.jpg |
| 13:35.25 | Zolden | it's like a purple magical flame |
| 13:36.45 | Zolden | sc2 is too sci-fi sounded |
| 13:36.52 | Zolden | gonna raid wow for spell sounds |
| 13:40.41 | Zolden | ok, now just need to hear 1500 sound files and pick the one i liked more |
| 13:41.49 | Raziel | Zolden, is that a stream of fire? |
| 13:41.55 | Zolden | yea |
| 13:42.00 | Raziel | continuous? |
| 13:42.07 | Zolden | like hellion, but wider and purple |
| 13:42.14 | Raziel | hmm |
| 13:42.22 | Zolden | and has a purple fire impact on the target |
| 13:42.37 | Raziel | not many sounds that could work with a continous stream on wow from what I know |
| 13:42.43 | A1win | aagh, I have a feeling the aspect ratio of UI coordinates is not 1:1 >_> |
| 13:42.45 | Raziel | maybe if you edit the incinerate one |
| 13:42.52 | Zolden | its length is o.7 sec |
| 13:42.56 | Raziel | and use the middle part for continuous |
| 13:43.03 | Zolden | so, 0.5-1 sounds will be fine |
| 13:43.05 | A1win | which will make calculating angles correctly impossible unless I can get that aspect ratio... |
| 13:43.39 | Zolden | A1win lol |
| 13:43.45 | Zolden | sc2 is trolling you |
| 13:43.48 | A1win | the angle I calculate with screen coordinates is slightly off from the world coordinate angle when it's diagonal >_> |
| 13:44.22 | A1win | it's accurate at 0 and 90 degree steps but inaccurate between those |
| 13:44.59 | Zolden | Raziel incinerate has some dirtiness that is associated more with earth related spells |
| 13:45.20 | Zolden | but i'll take it as a probable choice |
| 13:45.24 | A1win | wtf do I do now :X |
| 13:45.29 | Raziel | well in game it's a stream of fire |
| 13:45.52 | Bommes | Zolden: You don't want to use the fire weapon related sounds? Like the Hellion Launch/Impact, or the Firebat ones |
| 13:46.20 | Bommes | maybe you can change the pitch to fit them to your needs |
| 13:46.27 | Zolden | A1win is it aspect ratio related inaccurateness? |
| 13:46.53 | A1win | I mean UI coordinate aspect ratio, not window aspect ratio |
| 13:46.56 | Zolden | Bommes I want some magic in the sound, not pure fire |
| 13:47.06 | Raziel | hmmmm |
| 13:47.20 | A1win | the UI gets slightly stretched on one axis depending on window aspect ratio |
| 13:47.32 | Raziel | what sound do you find to associate with "magic"? |
| 13:47.50 | Zolden | listening sounds, trying to pick... |
| 13:47.56 | A1win | it's very minor stretch but still noticeable for the ship aiming |
| 13:47.58 | Zolden | but maybe some fire will work |
| 13:48.20 | Bommes | Maybe you can add another sounds actor and have 2 sounds play at the same time |
| 13:48.32 | Bommes | one fire related and another one in the background |
| 13:48.41 | Zolden | A1win btw, aiming maybe doesn't have that problem, and you can keep your old system. Acceleration vector matters |
| 13:48.49 | Zolden | or maybe i was too focused on acceleration |
| 13:49.05 | A1win | what do you mean |
| 13:49.17 | Bommes | that gives it a more magic feel |
| 13:49.17 | Zolden | Bommes it will be a mess. Sounds can't just mix, they should be a whole sound made by a sound designer |
| 13:49.19 | A1win | there is nothing else than aiming |
| 13:49.26 | Bommes | hmm |
| 13:49.31 | Bommes | depends on the sounds |
| 13:49.43 | Zolden | yea, sometimes it works, but usually it's a mess |
| 13:49.57 | Zolden | also, i'll have other units shooting |
| 13:50.16 | Zolden | oh, I got it, it should be something between fire and air |
| 13:50.49 | Zolden | listening wow sounds is a hell btw, same as trying to find an icon between 8k icons |
| 13:50.56 | Raziel | lol |
| 13:51.33 | Zolden | hmm, some sounds are not fire related at all, but kuinda close |
| 13:52.48 | Bommes | how about the Sentrybot_ExploFiretrail ones, could you see them fit? |
| 13:53.29 | Bommes | they are kinda different |
| 13:53.31 | Bommes | but maybe it works |
| 13:53.50 | Bommes | its pretty hard to envision the visuals of the weapon actors from just a picture :D |
| 13:54.26 | Zolden | i don't have that sentrybot |
| 13:54.34 | Zolden | i only have spells sounds |
| 13:55.39 | Bommes | hmm, they are probably part of a campaign dependency |
| 13:56.09 | Zolden | crap, some sounds are cool, but so different |
| 13:56.37 | A1win | ooops, I'm an idiot |
| 13:56.48 | Zolden | found a bug? |
| 13:56.49 | A1win | I forgot I hadn't actually made the center point update dynamically yet |
| 13:56.53 | A1win | and changed resolution |
| 13:57.21 | A1win | mmh though it's still broken somehow |
| 13:57.43 | A1win | errr |
| 13:57.46 | A1win | actually... |
| 13:58.06 | A1win | this is weird |
| 13:58.18 | A1win | O_o |
| 13:58.30 | A1win | the UI resolution is always 1600x1200 no matter the resolution or aspect ratio |
| 13:58.43 | A1win | *facepalm* |
| 13:58.47 | Zolden | yea, but they are fake |
| 13:59.03 | Zolden | they are projected to resolution |
| 13:59.05 | A1win | yeah but now I know the center of the screen is always 800,600 |
| 13:59.11 | A1win | and all I need *is* the aspect ratio |
| 13:59.15 | A1win | yeah |
| 13:59.44 | A1win | so I was thinking of this all wrong |
| 13:59.50 | A1win | I just need to compare the angles |
| 13:59.51 | Zolden | are you sure? screen mouse coords return UI coords, not the ones in user's resolution? |
| 13:59.59 | A1win | yeah, UI coords |
| 14:00.35 | Zolden | I remember having user screens coords when I was making arcanoid controls |
| 14:00.46 | A1win | so yeah now all I need is the aspect ratio O_o |
| 14:00.54 | A1win | hmm |
| 14:01.17 | A1win | I mean the ratio between user's aspect ratio and UI aspect ratio (which is 4:3) |
| 14:02.07 | Zolden | maybe you don't need to know it? because unit sizes are equal by x and by y |
| 14:02.07 | A1win | so hmm how do I actually get it |
| 14:02.17 | A1win | no I do |
| 14:02.33 | A1win | angles depend on it |
| 14:02.50 | Zolden | your calculations are based on decart coordinates, mouse is also within decart coordinates |
| 14:03.04 | A1win | but aspect ratios are different |
| 14:03.24 | Zolden | if they have 5000 x 100 screen, still (10, 10) point will give you 45' |
| 14:03.31 | A1win | if I put mouse at 45 degree angle from unit to world, it is not a 45 degree angle on screen |
| 14:03.43 | A1win | nope |
| 14:03.44 | Zolden | it will be |
| 14:03.50 | Zolden | they don't scratch shit |
| 14:04.04 | Zolden | or stretch |
| 14:04.07 | A1win | well I already implemented it like that and I can tell the angles differ |
| 14:04.09 | Zolden | waht was the aord |
| 14:04.11 | A1win | and it makes sense ;p |
| 14:04.18 | A1win | 800,600 is the center |
| 14:04.55 | A1win | mmh how to give a good example... |
| 14:05.29 | Zolden | yea, explain, for me it has no sense, why aspect ratio matters if no scale modifications to the coordinates were made |
| 14:05.45 | A1win | because there are two *different* aspectg ratios |
| 14:05.50 | A1win | UI aspect ratio is always 4:3 |
| 14:05.57 | A1win | user's aspect ratio changes |
| 14:06.12 | Zolden | oh, now I see, UI stretchese |
| 14:06.13 | Zolden | ok |
| 14:06.15 | Zolden | you right |
| 14:06.17 | A1win | so if your aspect ratio is 1920:1080, 4:3 is stretched to that |
| 14:06.57 | A1win | so how do I get how much does it stretch on x and on y... |
| 14:07.12 | Zolden | get his resolution :) |
| 14:07.26 | A1win | how ;p |
| 14:08.22 | A1win | can I even use this world/screen stuff to detect it now that I know the UI size is always the same |
| 14:08.23 | Zolden | my ideas were based on the fact that "get mouse coordinates" function returns screen coords of the user, not the ui |
| 14:08.58 | A1win | hmm |
| 14:09.19 | A1win | so now I always know where on the screen the mouse is, in percentages |
| 14:09.31 | Zolden | but word/screen thing may work, since word is not stretched, and ui is |
| 14:09.44 | A1win | oh yeah I only need two points again |
| 14:10.19 | A1win | let's look at x axis for example... at point x1, the world coordinate is w1 and screen coordinate is s1, and at point x2 world coordinate is w2 and screen s2 |
| 14:10.32 | A1win | then I just calculate the difference in relation to center of screen |
| 14:10.36 | Zolden | screen center + ship position is one point, and mouse ui coords and word coords - another point, no matter where is mouse located at start |
| 14:10.43 | A1win | yeah |
| 14:11.03 | A1win | so all I need are two points with different x and different y |
| 14:11.15 | A1win | preferably as far from each other as possible for accuracy |
| 14:11.31 | Bommes | man, I love it when i close Chrome |
| 14:11.53 | Bommes | but then opening the task manager there is still a chrome.exe process open that takes a shit load of memory |
| 14:11.56 | Bommes | like wtf is going on there |
| 14:12.02 | A1win | so I'll just make a script that records min x and min y and max x and max y at the beginning of the game as user moves mouse around |
| 14:12.04 | Bommes | stop spying on me nsa |
| 14:12.14 | A1win | and I make them move mouse around by requiring to click some buttons or something |
| 14:13.08 | Zolden | Bommes it needs time to remove itself |
| 14:25.09 | zenx | btw |
| 14:25.14 | zenx | organization guestion |
| 14:25.35 | zenx | I got upgrades for cooldown, speed, damage etc...for several weapons |
| 14:26.00 | zenx | is it ok to use like weaponUpgrades[5][5] or should I use weaponUpgrade_cooldown[5] |
| 14:26.13 | zenx | does it matter much |
| 14:26.23 | zenx | like first array is weapon number |
| 14:26.31 | zenx | and second is upgrade number |
| 14:26.38 | zenx | or should I just make different variables for each upgrade |
| 14:27.10 | zenx | *sniff jademus isnt here |
| 14:27.16 | zenx | Im sure he would guide me |
| 14:29.25 | zenx | I suppose I could even us arrays and make global variables like int cooldown |
| 14:29.31 | zenx | and paste it like that mm |
| 14:29.35 | zenx | dunno |
| 14:30.08 | Dustin | Good morning gentlemen |
| 14:30.30 | Dustin | Zenx |
| 14:30.35 | Dustin | I use records for that |
| 14:30.49 | Dustin | Weapon[WeaponID].Cooldown etc |
| 14:31.02 | zenx | yea I could just do that |
| 14:31.33 | zenx | I just thought of storing it all to same record |
| 14:31.38 | zenx | but might be better just to split it up |
| 14:31.43 | zenx | would make more sense i suppose |
| 14:32.24 | Dustin | Ya just depends on your preference |
| 14:32.37 | zenx | from readibility I like your idea |
| 14:33.05 | zenx | ya better to do it that way |
| 14:33.06 | zenx | thx |
| 14:34.41 | zenx | its certainly just a preference thing |
| 14:34.50 | zenx | but I should improve on my organization of code |
| 14:34.56 | zenx | clean code is nice |
| 14:35.05 | Dustin | Yeah I love me some nice clean code |
| 14:36.41 | Bommes | putting all of that into a 2-dimensional array gets really messy really fast :D |
| 14:36.54 | zenx | most likely |
| 14:36.59 | zenx | but not nececarily |
| 14:37.13 | Bommes | depends on how often you have to use it |
| 14:37.54 | Bommes | if you handle all of it in a single trigger/action definition then it shouldn't be a big deal, but if it's spread everywhere and someone else wants to figure it out he will have a hard time |
| 14:38.12 | zenx | y |
| 14:39.55 | Bommes | also, I'm not sure but I think I have heard somewhere that Galaxy automatically allocates memory for the maximum array size and not just the size that you can set up in the editor |
| 14:40.28 | Bommes | but I'm not entirely sure thats true, but if it is then 2-d arrays in general are a bad idea for something like this |
| 14:44.44 | zenx | I still kinda like the idea of working with arrays |
| 14:44.50 | zenx | and using integers |
| 14:44.56 | zenx | as array numbers |
| 14:45.06 | zenx | cooldown = 0, damage = 1 etc... |
| 14:45.12 | zenx | but that could be messy too |
| 14:45.14 | zenx | a bit so so |
| 14:47.13 | Dustin | zenx, let me show you what I did, one minute |
| 14:47.23 | zenx | no need |
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| 14:49.59 | Dustin | http://peeeq.de/gui.php?id=3217 |
| 14:50.10 | Dustin | oh, sorry didnt see you didnt care :P |
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| 14:51.27 | Dustin | Well now that I havem y map open I might as well work on it I guess |
| 14:56.23 | zenx | thats pretty much what I got anyway |
| 14:57.07 | zenx | I should name my variables better too |
| 14:57.09 | zenx | I hate it |
| 14:57.11 | zenx | :D |
| 14:58.03 | Dustin | Ya i learned long ago that when im prototyping or even just doing shit fast to name shit im going to remember when Im high later that day |
| 15:11.44 | A1win | omg, I think it works D: |
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| 15:15.01 | zenx | nice |
| 15:15.52 | A1win | Zolden, got time for a test? |
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| 15:18.43 | A1win | >_> now it seems to lag like hell, wtf |
| 15:19.05 | A1win | or maybe it's just because I can actually see the bar... |
| 15:19.44 | A1win | O.o my latency is 987ms |
| 15:20.39 | A1win | umm wasn't there some way to see my latency? that was just shown in the stalls |
| 15:20.49 | Zolden | A1win yea, just need 5 minutes |
| 15:26.12 | A1win | ah the stalls were only caused at the beginning of the game |
| 15:26.16 | A1win | phew |
| 15:26.57 | Zolden | A1win ok, coming |
| 15:27.15 | A1win | kk |
| 15:33.49 | Zolden | how does it feels? |
| 15:34.29 | A1win | about what it was supposed to |
| 15:35.00 | Zolden | feels about the fact that you fixed it |
| 15:35.08 | A1win | ah ;p pretty good |
| 15:35.11 | Zolden | yea |
| 15:38.59 | A1win | yeah fixed the laser velocity, was some copypaste error during refactoring |
| 15:45.49 | A1win | now back to design D: |
| 15:46.03 | Zolden | what if you make a real laser? a thin ray of light, with no gravity affection and no movement speed, just affects the whole line immediately. But low fire rate, for example |
| 15:46.21 | A1win | yeah just not sure how I'd want those to be aimed |
| 15:46.31 | A1win | since there's lag, and lasers are supposed to be isntant |
| 15:46.33 | A1win | *instant |
| 15:46.43 | A1win | so it'd probably feel a bit awkward |
| 15:46.45 | Zolden | ;/ |
| 15:47.00 | A1win | I've been thinking some passively shooting lasers though |
| 15:47.08 | A1win | like a drone that travels with the ship |
| 15:47.15 | A1win | and shoots at enemies who fly by |
| 15:47.21 | Zolden | good |
| 15:47.58 | A1win | I was even thinking of making the drones separate objects from the ship so that if you suddenly change velocity too quickly, the drone can become stranded and you need to fly back to it to get it back |
| 15:48.14 | A1win | but not sure how well that'd work out for gameplay |
| 15:49.13 | Zolden | how about to not remove the horisontal component of speed on planet collision? |
| 15:49.52 | A1win | mmf |
| 15:50.01 | Zolden | it feels good to not lose speed on collision, players could use it to change flying direction while pursuing enemy |
| 15:50.02 | A1win | should be easy, I'll try it out |
| 15:51.22 | Zolden | also, maybe let players choose between fire power and thrusters power, like the more your thrusters, the less energy you can afford on firing. And that could be like a decision at start |
| 15:52.29 | A1win | yeah could have a few ship types |
| 15:52.35 | Zolden | also, it feels like it would be better to have lower speed. Not lower max speed, but like about 0.8 multiplier to all ship speeds (fire speeds are ok) |
| 15:52.56 | Zolden | not like i'm sure, but worth trying |
| 15:53.34 | A1win | I can only control acceleration ;x |
| 15:53.46 | A1win | so if I want lower acceleration, I also need lower gravity, but yeah maybe |
| 15:54.46 | A1win | I'll try it out |
| 15:54.53 | Zolden | gravity is ok |
| 15:55.07 | A1win | yeah but if I reduce ship acceleration, gravity will have a much stronger effect |
| 15:55.12 | A1win | and it's more difficult to control the ship |
| 15:55.46 | Zolden | I think it's about the way you add acceleration to speed, it should be more physically trueish |
| 15:55.56 | A1win | hmm? |
| 15:56.09 | A1win | it is exactly like it is in reality ;p |
| 15:56.38 | Zolden | well, if your acceleration vector is in the same direction as speed, it should be as lower as higher the speed |
| 15:56.51 | A1win | ? D: |
| 15:56.56 | Zolden | if it's opposite to speed vector, it should be x2 stronger than on zero speed |
| 15:57.08 | Zolden | so, on lower speeds it will work strion |
| 15:57.12 | Zolden | *strong |
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| 15:57.21 | A1win | that didn't make any sense ;p |
| 15:57.26 | Zolden | but the higher speed, the lower you can add to it with acceleration |
| 15:57.36 | A1win | there is no air friction in space |
| 15:57.48 | Zolden | imagine that there is a speed of light |
| 15:58.20 | Zolden | and the closer you to light speed, the less you can get with the same impulse, because it's not added to the ship, it's relative to speed of light |
| 15:58.27 | A1win | mm right |
| 15:58.38 | A1win | if the speeds are that high |
| 15:58.48 | A1win | but these are still relatively slow speeds compared to that D: |
| 15:59.05 | Zolden | and if we imagine that planets are the same siaze as earth, than we do fly at light speed |
| 15:59.19 | A1win | hmmh |
| 15:59.50 | Zolden | anyway, this would add more maneuering |
| 16:00.06 | Zolden | and smoothly reduce all speeds |
| 16:00.12 | A1win | so I should multiply the velocity by 1 - (current velocity / speed of light) |
| 16:00.15 | A1win | or what? |
| 16:00.29 | Zolden | yea |
| 16:00.50 | Zolden | or 1 - (velosity/speed)^2 |
| 16:01.13 | A1win | mm no idea what it actually should be |
| 16:01.31 | Zolden | sec, it's wrong, lemme think |
| 16:01.55 | A1win | I mean added velocity |
| 16:02.13 | A1win | so if current velocity = speed of light, then 1 - (current/c) = 0 |
| 16:02.36 | Zolden | it should be like 1 - cos(angle between velocity vector and speed vector) |
| 16:03.17 | A1win | ._o |
| 16:03.21 | Zolden | ow, wait, we need to unite both |
| 16:03.50 | Zolden | 1 - (1 - current/c) * cos(angle) |
| 16:03.52 | Zolden | yea |
| 16:04.35 | A1win | oh right |
| 16:07.25 | Dustin | lol, I extracted the vjass script from my old WC3 map I did where everything was scripted http://pastebin.com/6QY6GYB9 |
| 16:10.33 | Zolden | it hanged my exlorer |
| 16:10.48 | Zolden | is pastebin full of viruses? |
| 16:13.10 | A1win | can I use the native angle between points for points with negative values? |
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| 16:18.29 | Zolden | dunno... but cos doesn't matter about angle normalization |
| 16:20.15 | Dustin | Its really long Zolden, maybe thats why |
| 16:20.18 | Zolden | also, simple subtraction will work for angles, no matter what are they |
| 16:20.25 | Zolden | Dustin maybe |
| 16:20.26 | Stewox | this shit doesn't work at all |
| 16:21.37 | Zolden | also, programmers are usually braggin when their's shorter |
| 16:22.24 | Dustin | This was the entire map script |
| 16:22.35 | Dustin | for my Turn based Grid based game |
| 16:22.47 | Zolden | twodie tried KC? |
| 16:23.12 | twodie | not yet, but seems like it will good time to do so.. |
| 16:23.21 | Stewox | anyone knows why my Automated Refinery doesn't work ? |
| 16:23.23 | twodie | few moar videos on utube :/ |
| 16:23.25 | Zolden | twodie waht are you doing these days? |
| 16:23.28 | Zolden | lol |
| 16:23.34 | twodie | youtubing. |
| 16:23.36 | twodie | a lot |
| 16:23.42 | twodie | and then going outside |
| 16:23.44 | Stewox | the automatic resource gathering |
| 16:23.49 | twodie | and utubing |
| 16:23.50 | A1win | Zolden, why did that formula have two times (1 - (1 - D; |
| 16:23.52 | Stewox | please help im stuc |
| 16:23.55 | Stewox | stuck |
| 16:24.06 | twodie | and strugling to do something meaningful |
| 16:25.00 | A1win | Zolden, this isn't working :P |
| 16:25.02 | A1win | ummh |
| 16:25.33 | Dustin | L2maths! |
| 16:25.39 | A1win | if current velocity is s and added velocity is v, what should it look like D: |
| 16:26.07 | A1win | without the speed of light stuff it'd simply be s = s + v |
| 16:26.44 | Zolden | A1win btw, instead of (1 - current/c) you can use (1 - current^2/c^2) to make it similar to einstein's formula of relativ movement |
| 16:28.54 | Zolden | A1win the "cos(angle)" part alone works? make sure that trigonometry is fine |
| 16:29.58 | Zolden | A1win also, pick the comfort speed of light, so it wouldn't be that big as we were flying in previous versions when accelerating too much |
| 16:30.08 | A1win | mmh what is cos actually supposed to affect |
| 16:31.49 | A1win | I'm confused ;X |
| 16:32.13 | Zolden | cos is the part that multiplies the thing to a coefficient (-1, 1) based on the angle between velocity and speed. So, if you accelerate in the same direction as you fly, it will be about 1, if these vectors are oppositely oriented, the cos will return about -1 |
| 16:33.31 | A1win | so am I supposed to just multiply the velocity that is being added by 1 - (1 - current/c) * cos(angle) |
| 16:33.41 | Zolden | yea |
| 16:34.27 | Zolden | velosity is range and angle, and you multiply the range |
| 16:35.47 | A1win | err.. for some reason it doesn't let me accelerate to the left >_> up, down and right work |
| 16:36.37 | Zolden | we could also add that thing that the more speed, the more mass, and thus, if you fly fast, gravity shuold affect you with 1/(1 - speed^2/c^2) coefficient :) |
| 16:36.53 | Zolden | A1win maybe something with angles... |
| 16:36.53 | A1win | why can't I go left @____@ |
| 16:37.01 | Zolden | check formulas |
| 16:37.03 | A1win | hehe |
| 16:37.14 | A1win | what's the formula for angle between points |
| 16:37.21 | A1win | I'll make a custom one |
| 16:37.27 | Zolden | ok |
| 16:37.29 | A1win | so I can be sure it accepts negative stuff |
| 16:37.41 | Zolden | something like arctan(y/x) |
| 16:37.53 | Zolden | with checking x not equal to zero |
| 16:38.30 | A1win | atan2(deltaY, deltaX) |
| 16:39.04 | Zolden | yea |
| 16:40.34 | Zolden | maybe angle between vectors would fit better? |
| 16:41.44 | A1win | mmh still the same problem |
| 16:41.56 | A1win | back in a bit |
| 16:42.05 | Zolden | how do you keep speed and acceleration variables? |
| 16:42.25 | Zolden | there's a formula to multiply cos(angle between vectors) |
| 16:42.45 | A1win | I just have x and y stored separately |
| 16:42.53 | Zolden | nice |
| 16:43.00 | Zolden | sec, i'll type it |
| 16:43.16 | A1win | afk for ~15min -> |
| 16:44.08 | Zolden | A1win cos(a) = (x1 * x2 + y1 * y2) / (sqrt(x1^2 + y1^2) * sqrt(x2^2 + y2^2)) |
| 16:56.19 | A1win | just realized I'm supposed to take abs of the added velocity since the sign is transferred to the cos of the angle |
| 16:57.06 | A1win | or maybe not :P |
| 16:57.12 | A1win | just messed things up even worse |
| 17:06.59 | Zolden | negative cos is fine: when angles are coincide, cos is positive, and it should be subtracted |
| 17:07.38 | Zolden | make things simple, first calc cos and print it to make sure it's correct |
| 17:07.47 | Zolden | than the other part |
| 17:07.55 | Zolden | than connect them |
| 17:11.09 | A1win | what if that divisor is 0 |
| 17:11.49 | A1win | oh nvm then there is no movement |
| 17:11.55 | Zolden | yea |
| 17:17.56 | A1win | yeah was something wrong with the cos before |
| 17:18.16 | Zolden | let's test? |
| 17:18.23 | A1win | doesn't work yet |
| 17:18.26 | Zolden | :) |
| 17:20.26 | A1win | still something wrong with this whole thing, stops me going to negative direction almost completely |
| 17:21.38 | A1win | and accelerates very fast to positive |
| 17:21.52 | A1win | >_> facepalm |
| 17:22.04 | A1win | current speed/speed of light needs to be signless |
| 17:23.01 | A1win | ... and I'm not even comparing current speed but current x component of speed to it |
| 17:25.30 | Zolden | :) |
| 17:25.44 | A1win | uh... I can still accelerate insanely fast |
| 17:26.13 | Zolden | programming is funny, because it freauently makes you feel stupid and genius with a little time between |
| 17:26.14 | A1win | ...because I don't clamp velocity to speed of light I guess |
| 17:27.17 | A1win | yeah now it looks like it works |
| 17:27.29 | A1win | except what was the more realistic version |
| 17:27.45 | A1win | oh yeah speed^2/c^2 |
| 17:33.04 | Zolden | my persistent picks a random point around and launches unit there. How to make sure that the point is on the same cliff level? |
| 17:33.05 | A1win | mmh somehow I feel like it's not actually doing anything x_x |
| 17:33.13 | A1win | can still accelerate to fast speeds |
| 17:33.36 | Zolden | A1win print values to see what is wrong |
| 17:36.40 | A1win | err... looks like it's doing it the wrong way round, the added velocity is multiplied by 1 when the speed is near speed of light and by 0 if it's 0 O_o |
| 17:37.08 | A1win | err nvm |
| 17:38.08 | A1win | hmm still... the speed/c is 1 at high speeds, and since it's (1-(1-speed/c)) it becomes multiplied by at high speeds instead of 0 |
| 17:38.58 | A1win | shouldn't that be just new velocity = velocity + (1-velocity^2/c^2) * cos(a) * addedvelocity |
| 17:39.40 | A1win | now I'm not moving at all :P mmh |
| 17:40.29 | A1win | oh right the cos is 0 at low speeds |
| 17:41.06 | A1win | but it doesn't seem like it's restricting the speed at all somehow |
| 17:41.41 | Zolden | cos doesn't care about speeds |
| 17:42.08 | A1win | hmm right |
| 17:42.19 | A1win | so why is this set up this way then D: |
| 17:42.30 | Zolden | you have speed and acceleration |
| 17:42.51 | Zolden | when you need to add acceleration vector to speed vector, you do this: |
| 17:48.37 | Zolden | lol, yea, formula was wrong |
| 17:48.54 | Zolden | should be this: acceleration is a, speed is s, c is c. a' = a * (1 - (s^2/c^2) * cos()) then you do the: s vector = s vector + a' vector |
| 17:49.52 | Zolden | if s low, a' is very close to a; but the more speed, the more a' differs from a, based on cos() |
| 17:50.51 | Zolden | if vectors close to each other, cos is positive, a' is lower, and if different directions, cos is negative, and a' > a |
| 17:50.56 | Zolden | looks fine |
| 17:55.54 | A1win | hmm almost works now, just not tapplying the s^2/c^2 correctly to x and y components... it's letting me go at speed of light on both x and y now <.< |
| 17:57.48 | A1win | not sure why... |
| 18:00.13 | Zolden | you meanboth x and y components of speed are equal to c, so resulting speed is 1.41 * c? |
| 18:00.46 | Zolden | may I look at your vector math? how do you add acceleration to speed? |
| 18:01.14 | A1win | err I'm not sure what's happening, looks like it works correctly at first but when I change direction, I'm suddenly somehow able to accelerate to higher speeds |
| 18:02.39 | Zolden | oh, i know why |
| 18:04.33 | Zolden | to fix it, you could simply make sure, that speed vector module is less or equal to c |
| 18:05.02 | Zolden | so, if after adding a' to c, it's module more than c, you reduce it to be c |
| 18:05.19 | MoonEater|mobile | Loo |
| 18:05.55 | MoonEater|mobile | Faking trig I got an A in trig but I hate it solo much |
| 18:06.19 | A1win | err might be something wrong with my value storing |
| 18:06.29 | Zolden | MoonEater|mobile people start to love it after they start to use it and realize how awesome it is in games |
| 18:06.55 | A1win | nvm |
| 18:07.07 | MoonEater|mobile | I know its fundamental for games |
| 18:07.36 | Zolden | A1win it's fine, becasue our formula aloows to sum s = c and perpendicular a' = a, because when a is perpendicular to s, it's full size |
| 18:07.43 | MoonEater|mobile | But its irritating to use with physics |
| 18:08.33 | A1win | mmh |
| 18:08.48 | Zolden | MoonEater|mobile it's not like "it's fundamental", you don't care, you just use it sometimes, and one day realize, that you understand it and like |
| 18:09.30 | MoonEater|mobile | Plus what I find tobe the most interesting is polar I can't wait to use trig with polar offsets |
| 18:09.51 | MoonEater|mobile | Would be so awsome |
| 18:10.14 | A1win | errm how do I scale a vector to a specific length |
| 18:10.16 | Zolden | A1win so, each time you modified speed, just "normalize" it to be <= c. And it will never be not smooth, because a << s |
| 18:10.25 | Zolden | A1win easy, sec |
| 18:10.32 | MoonEater|mobile | A1win multiply |
| 18:10.45 | A1win | yeah but by what ;p |
| 18:10.58 | MoonEater|mobile | How ever much u need |
| 18:11.03 | MoonEater|mobile | 20%? |
| 18:11.10 | MoonEater|mobile | 1.2 |
| 18:11.16 | MoonEater|mobile | 50% |
| 18:11.19 | A1win | I need it to scale it *to* a constant value |
| 18:11.20 | MoonEater|mobile | 1.5 |
| 18:11.21 | A1win | not a percentage |
| 18:11.38 | MoonEater|mobile | him... |
| 18:11.47 | MoonEater|mobile | Hm.. |
| 18:12.00 | Zolden | A1win you have sx and sy, then you get k = c/sqrt(sx^2 + sy^2) and if k < 0, you multiply: sx = k * sx, sy = k * sy |
| 18:12.02 | A1win | oh right... just multiply it by 1/length * constant |
| 18:12.03 | MoonEater|mobile | thinks back to all my college |
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| 18:15.19 | Zolden | yea |
| 18:16.24 | zenx | waz up |
| 18:17.16 | Zolden | zenx map night is in how many time? |
| 18:17.23 | Zolden | in 43? |
| 18:17.30 | zenx | in 1 week? |
| 18:17.35 | zenx | mapnight aws yesterday |
| 18:17.38 | Zolden | the US one |
| 18:17.40 | Zolden | today |
| 18:17.47 | zenx | I have no idea |
| 18:18.02 | Zolden | how about you have yes idea and plan tio participate? |
| 18:18.25 | A1win | wtf still something wrong... mmh |
| 18:18.26 | Zolden | and we can punish our american friends for being dicks |
| 18:18.28 | zenx | Im feeling mapping instead of mapnight |
| 18:18.45 | Zolden | A1win when is it wrong? |
| 18:19.11 | twodie | well zolden i imagine listening it only being high chilling |
| 18:20.01 | Zolden | twodie the 70s albums - yes, then they get more energy |
| 18:20.22 | Zolden | try "discipline" |
| 18:21.55 | A1win | nvm was using wrong variable |
| 18:22.06 | A1win | I think it works now |
| 18:22.25 | A1win | just need to find a good value for speed of light |
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| 18:26.04 | A1win | yeah this might work... |
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| 18:27.06 | A1win | JademusSreg, finally got that stupid thing to work XO |
| 18:27.52 | zenx | btw |
| 18:27.57 | zenx | does NA mapnight have many players |
| 18:31.15 | Zolden | we will see |
| 18:31.43 | A1win | Zolden, wanna test then? |
| 18:31.47 | Zolden | yea |
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| 18:38.06 | twodie | god.. 1,5 hour left... |
| 18:43.14 | twodie | well after those 70ies, 80s are really getting the contrast and mostly it can be filtered what is decent to listen and what is not |
| 18:46.18 | Zolden | twodie they had periods, and I believe all their songs are very good, but some of them may take time to get into |
| 18:46.45 | Zolden | but the opposite side of this effect is they never get listened out |
| 18:47.29 | twodie | someday, now mostly would like to hear something silently screaming to wake me up from this nightmare |
| 18:48.32 | Zolden | try "Starless" song from "Red" album |
| 18:50.29 | twodie | i just need 2 tickets to paradise |
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| 18:50.56 | Obscene | ~seen Triceron |
| 18:51.03 | purl | triceron <1854e5d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.84.229.210> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 18h 59m 9s ago, saying: 'Legend of Korra S2. starts today though!'. |
| 18:51.09 | Obscene | lol |
| 18:51.15 | Obscene | Okay so he should be one soonish |
| 18:51.21 | A1win | Zolden, might take a while to get used to those controls :P |
| 18:51.34 | A1win | seeing the thruster flame turn makes it a bit unintuitive |
| 18:51.42 | A1win | since the flame points right when you thrust left |
| 18:52.56 | A1win | hmm maybe it makes sense if you think about as A = turn thrusters 90 degrees counter-clockwise and D = turn it 90 degrees clockwise |
| 18:53.13 | A1win | yeah, definitely makes more sense to think about it like that ;p |
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| 18:54.47 | Zolden | A1win the one would be ebst that will be most convenient in real fight in game |
| 18:54.57 | Zolden | i used to strafe in Doom 2 :) |
| 18:55.07 | A1win | yeah but this is a game with locked camera |
| 18:55.07 | Zolden | to avoid imp fireballs |
| 18:55.19 | A1win | I mean locked camera angle |
| 18:55.27 | Zolden | yea... |
| 18:55.32 | A1win | can't compare it to first/third person games |
| 18:55.44 | A1win | but yeah you can get used to this anyway |
| 18:55.52 | Zolden | yea, it would take some time to get used to |
| 18:55.59 | A1win | just need to think of it as clockwise/counter-clockwise instead of left/right |
| 18:56.04 | Zolden | so, wasd may be an alternative |
| 18:56.14 | A1win | well, only asd :P |
| 18:56.18 | Zolden | wasd would work relatively to screen coords |
| 18:56.23 | A1win | oh, right |
| 18:56.23 | Zolden | oh |
| 18:56.30 | Bommes | I played Duke Nukem 3D completely without the mouse or strafe as a child |
| 18:56.35 | Bommes | it was awesome |
| 18:56.44 | Zolden | lol |
| 18:56.52 | A1win | but yeah I'll rather use this than a 8 directional thrusting, that'd be lame |
| 18:56.55 | Zolden | gues you died alot |
| 18:57.01 | A1win | when everything else is round in this game ;p |
| 18:57.11 | Bommes | hmm, maybe |
| 18:57.14 | Bommes | most of it was pretty okay though |
| 18:57.22 | Bommes | but i hated whenever the enemies started flying |
| 18:57.29 | Zolden | A1win those are jsut variations you need to choose from, each has advantages and disadvantages |
| 18:57.47 | A1win | mm |
| 18:57.56 | A1win | I'll go with this for now |
| 18:58.13 | Zolden | alright, test will show how is it |
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| 19:10.10 | A1win | hmmhmm |
| 19:11.01 | A1win | err |
| 19:11.18 | A1win | the laser projectiles launch velocity used to be 300 but speed of light is now 250 :P |
| 19:11.23 | A1win | that's why they were so slow |
| 19:11.30 | A1win | maybe I should make speed of light 300 then |
| 19:12.38 | Zolden | can you make different speeds from ships and projectiles? |
| 19:12.53 | Zolden | the 250 we tested with felt fine |
| 19:13.22 | A1win | well I could... but is that kind of an exception really necessary |
| 19:13.43 | A1win | 300 should be fine too, let's try at that I guess |
| 19:13.57 | A1win | but yeah... now to figure out this game mode <.< |
| 19:14.08 | A1win | after this minor detour :X |
| 19:19.09 | Zolden | i'd like capturing, destroying ships, so they'd be 3-5 sec dead... also would be nice to upgrade ships, add turnable temporary shields to ping-pong the projectiles away |
| 19:19.19 | Zolden | just advanced death match |
| 19:19.26 | Zolden | as a variant |
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| 19:19.51 | A1win | I don't want any variants at first, just one solid game mode |
| 19:20.25 | Zolden | i'd go for death match with capturing |
| 19:20.35 | A1win | would also be nice to figure out something other than destroying ships if possible, staying dead for a couple of seconds doesn't really feel meaningful |
| 19:21.25 | Zolden | I want to see how the ship I hit exploads, this brings to me (and other players) fun |
| 19:21.27 | A1win | and randomly respawning into the middle of a small arena is also not very elegant |
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| 19:22.01 | A1win | yeah, but that's what I meant by something else, other than the ship itself blowing up |
| 19:22.09 | Zolden | how about a possibility to merge ships, so one would fly, and another one - attack? |
| 19:22.18 | A1win | nah ;p |
| 19:22.39 | zenx | EAZ UP |
| 19:22.41 | zenx | mapnight? |
| 19:23.07 | Zolden | duck said it's in 37 minutes |
| 19:25.52 | duckies | yeah, I sure did say that |
| 19:26.04 | A1win | mmh what about a game mode where you collect cargo for victory points and every time your damage bar fills up, you lose a bit of your cargo that flies out of your ship with an explosion + debris |
| 19:26.37 | zenx | duckyyy |
| 19:26.38 | duckies | regardless, I'm barely staying awake, so I'll probably go check what's going on and then fall to bed and sleep |
| 19:26.42 | zenx | Iv done more mapping today |
| 19:26.50 | zenx | my awesome map is gona be done in 1 year from now on |
| 19:27.08 | duckies | that's way too unrealistic |
| 19:27.13 | duckies | make that 3 years |
| 19:27.16 | A1win | so you'd still kind of have the satisfaction of blowine someone up, only that the ship itself wouldn't get destroyed, just lose valuable stuff |
| 19:27.21 | A1win | *blowing |
| 19:27.33 | duckies | bowling? |
| 19:28.19 | zenx | I |
| 19:28.20 | zenx | wish |
| 19:28.27 | zenx | to make a simple map that doesnt take ages to make |
| 19:28.32 | zenx | but I got grand ideas |
| 19:29.12 | duckies | when you can't decide - just start on hammering basicks |
| 19:29.32 | Bommes | you can't make your idea a peasant when it's ought to be a king! |
| 19:29.47 | zenx | aye |
| 19:29.53 | Zolden | A1win maybe, sounds not bad |
| 19:30.13 | duckies | I've actually done some work this week, just cause I decided not to think about big stuff and do some small thingies instead =D |
| 19:30.21 | Zolden | i like take something that was lost by enemy after I hit its ass |
| 19:30.26 | A1win | mmm |
| 19:30.52 | A1win | I was wondering that the cargo that explodes from them would scatter around and could be picked up by anyone, but it could also get destroyed if shot at |
| 19:31.17 | A1win | it looked really cool when small parts flew out of a ship when it exploded earlier, I just didn't have any use for that feature back then :P |
| 19:31.40 | A1win | but hmm... need to figure out a fun way of collecting the stuff |
| 19:31.56 | Bommes | duckies: That's what I always do, and then I get frustrated because I waste hours to make something really small perfect that no one notices anyways |
| 19:31.56 | A1win | when it was on planet surface and you need to touch it to pick up, it wasn't very fun |
| 19:32.01 | Bommes | and then I don't do anything for weeks/months |
| 19:32.06 | Bommes | it's a vicious chain of events |
| 19:32.55 | duckies | hehe, yea, but at least I get a feeling that stuff is moving forwards and I might actually work something out by the december if I keep this pace |
| 19:33.10 | Bommes | twist: december 2015 |
| 19:33.33 | duckies | ^^ |
| 19:34.37 | Zolden | duckcember |
| 19:35.21 | Triceron | Do you remember? |
| 19:35.28 | Triceron | the 21st night of duckcember |
| 19:37.11 | A1win | hmmmmmm |
| 19:37.29 | A1win | what if the things on planet surfaces are not objects you pick up, but objects you shoot and they spit out stuff you pick up |
| 19:37.38 | A1win | just like when you shoot at ships they throw that same stuff out |
| 19:38.01 | A1win | *pew pew* *BOOM* *yoink yoink yoink* |
| 19:38.14 | A1win | hell yeah |
| 19:38.22 | Zolden | :) |
| 19:50.21 | duckies | flips a coin to decide wheiter play on mapnight or go to sleep |
| 19:50.41 | duckies | turns off the lights and falls asleep without checking coin |
| 19:50.48 | G0A | so, anyone up for NA map night? |
| 19:50.53 | G0A | if yes, join |
| 19:51.00 | duckies | have fun this night! gn |
| 19:51.05 | zenx | gn |
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| 20:00.47 | Zolden | yea, i'll come in a few minutes |
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| 20:18.43 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.09 | A1win | hehe now I have floating pickups |
| 20:20.14 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.43 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:27.48 | MoonEater | hey guys |
| 20:46.27 | Triceron | Hey Mooneater |
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| 20:49.29 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.22 | MoonEater | hes not on much on weekends |
| 20:55.40 | MoonEater | damn |
| 20:55.41 | MoonEater | lol |
| 20:55.58 | MoonEater | why does subjection have such a freakishly long loading time |
| 20:57.27 | Bommes | also he's probably tired |
| 20:57.34 | Bommes | [14:28:45] <JademusSreg> Don't have time to wax philosophic, sadly. Been awake a few days, gotta get some rest. |
| 20:58.11 | Bommes | (CET timestamps) |
| 20:59.34 | MoonEater | lol |
| 20:59.36 | MoonEater | Bommes |
| 20:59.44 | MoonEater | ~seen JademusSreg |
| 20:59.51 | purl | jademussreg is currently on #sc2mapster (2h 33m 17s), last said: 'bbl'. |
| 20:59.51 | MoonEater | much easyer |
| 21:00.31 | Bommes | ? |
| 21:00.51 | MoonEater | gladus's accent makes me laugh |
| 21:00.51 | MoonEater | ahaha |
| 21:00.58 | Bommes | just quoted it because it seemed relevant since it was only 7-8 hours ago |
| 21:02.23 | MoonEater | its fine i was just showing u purl |
| 21:02.30 | MoonEater | and showing GoooSe |
| 21:09.03 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.38 | MoonEater | purl |
| 21:15.44 | MoonEater | is the keeper of info |
| 21:15.50 | MoonEater | gooose |
| 21:16.04 | MoonEater | 2 hours since jade last been seen in this channel |
| 21:16.12 | MoonEater | means he wont be back for awhile probably |
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| 21:56.34 | A1win | looking awesome, now the sturctures on planets can also be destroyed by colliding with them instead of just by shooting them |
| 22:04.23 | A1win | umm so how can I put timer name in terms if it crashes? only with raw data mode? |
| 22:04.39 | Zolden | just select it |
| 22:04.42 | Zolden | don't type |
| 22:05.06 | A1win | ah |
| 22:08.10 | A1win | what are Base and Range in actor timers? |
| 22:08.56 | ArcanePariah | Base is the minimum time, Range is a random value added to it. I have not tested it, but that is what logically it means to me |
| 22:09.04 | A1win | mm I suppose |
| 22:10.07 | ArcanePariah | In practice, I would use it for an action actor, like if I wanted to create a force lighting effect, have a base actor create on random times, the various beam actors |
| 22:10.31 | ArcanePariah | and have them have random yaw/pitches to create the arcing effect |
| 22:15.42 | Zolden | A1win base is time, range is random component of time |
| 22:26.36 | Ahli | sc2's new launcher is retarded with the installation language... I don't want enGB ahhhhh but it enforced it |
| 22:33.45 | Bommes | why? |
| 22:33.53 | Zolden | nice, zero art talents -> heart shaped heart http://i.snag.gy/xXTOm.jpg |
| 22:33.54 | Bommes | you are a fan of Belagerungspanzer? |
| 22:33.59 | Zolden | algebra dominates harmony |
| 22:34.06 | Zolden | lol |
| 22:34.22 | Zolden | editor translations are funny |
| 22:34.23 | MoonEater | actually |
| 22:34.30 | MoonEater | theres heart shape functions |
| 22:34.34 | MoonEater | u should implement them |
| 22:34.37 | MoonEater | in the texture |
| 22:34.47 | MoonEater | i think its in polar |
| 22:35.00 | Zolden | in max? |
| 22:35.07 | MoonEater | in mathmatics |
| 22:35.30 | Ahli | bommes, bnet launcher forced me to install enGB. Also, I want to use enUS in the end... |
| 22:35.39 | Zolden | i'm not good with max to script polar curves to splines |
| 22:36.28 | Ahli | so I didn't want enGB... now I copied over all files that I had in my old installation on my hdd |
| 22:36.55 | Ahli | except for the enGB files... I deleted every trace of enGB I could find, but it still downloads it |
| 22:37.52 | Deaod | have you changed the language in the SC2 config files? |
| 22:38.02 | Ahli | yes, it's using enUS there |
| 22:38.29 | Ahli | I hope I can just delete the language files after installation and hope the new beta launcher doesn't download the again |
| 22:39.37 | Ahli | *it |
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