IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20130913

`00:44.10`	`MoonEater`	`HEY`
`00:44.47`	`MoonEater`	`i got an actor issue again`
`00:44.54`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Eagles (~Eagles@c83-249-235-132.bredband.comhem.se)`
`00:53.15`	`MoonEater`	`JAde`
`00:53.20`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (45f8f26f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.242.111)`
`00:53.42`	`Bounty`	`pew`
`00:53.53`	`MoonEater`	`bounty`
`00:53.55`	`MoonEater`	`i need help`
`00:54.01`	`Bounty`	`with?`
`00:54.12`	`MoonEater`	`im trying to use a term on an actor`
`00:54.39`	`MoonEater`	`i need if a unit has actor`
`00:55.25`	`MoonEater`	`validate unit`
`00:55.26`	`MoonEater`	`doesnt work`
`00:55.47`	`Bounty`	`I don't do data :)`
`00:55.49`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`00:55.52`	`Bounty`	`sorry dude`
`00:55.56`	`MoonEater`	`damnit`
`01:01.08`	`*** join/#sc2mapster halides (~halides@5a.fi)`
`01:01.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Backish.`
`01:04.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Zoopish.`
`01:05.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Bounty does data; just barely enough that it somehow, miraculously works.`
`01:06.59`	`Bounty`	`^`
`01:41.57`	`MoonEater`	`Dead Zergling`
`01:44.39`	`MoonEater`	`JAde`
`01:44.45`	`MoonEater`	`im having a weird issue again`
`01:45.08`	`JademusSreg`	`?`
`01:46.38`	`DeadZergling`	`yes, I'm having a mountain dew again`
`01:46.47`	`DeadZergling`	`strange how we always keep doing the same things`
`01:46.57`	`MoonEater`	`Jade i have a search effect but for some reason i cant exclude self`
`01:47.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Almost as though we are creatures of habit.`
`01:47.24`	`DeadZergling`	`isn't under filters?`
`01:48.36`	`MoonEater`	`i am`
`01:48.42`	`MoonEater`	`but i do exclude self`
`01:48.52`	`MoonEater`	`and it looks like its still searching itself`
`01:48.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah.`
`01:49.02`	`MoonEater`	`either that or the durration is forever`
`01:49.51`	`DeadZergling`	`little more explanation might help :)`
`01:49.53`	`JademusSreg`	`The effect tree lost the unit reference for Self at some point along the way.`
`01:51.24`	`MoonEater`	`i guess`
`01:51.28`	`MoonEater`	`its a periodic behavior`
`01:51.34`	`MoonEater`	`that searches for`
`01:51.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Change the effect's launch location to [someShittyEffectFirstInTheTree] : Source Unit`
`01:51.36`	`MoonEater`	`units to catch fire`
`01:51.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh, yeah, definitely.`
`01:51.46`	`MoonEater`	`now i put it to exclude self and no one is on fire`
`01:52.06`	`MoonEater`	`the fix?`
`01:52.09`	`JademusSreg`	`That is definitely a "lost" unit reference.`
`01:53.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Can't say for certain without knowing the data involved, but since that would be horrifying, I'll settle for uncertain advice.`
`01:53.11`	`MoonEater`	`oh shit`
`01:53.16`	`MoonEater`	`now its really broke ahaha`
`01:53.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Basically, don't exclude self, see if you can exclude by the caster marker.`
`01:53.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Or id marker.`
`01:53.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Or some such.`
`01:53.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Markers are handy like that.`
`02:09.33`	`DeadZergling`	`well I'm off, later`
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`02:47.53`	`Zandose`	`im back....`
`02:49.15`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`02:50.21`	`Zandose`	`motherboard broke`
`02:50.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Good news, everyone! A severe storm is on a trajectory to destroy all the internets. /farnsworth`
`02:52.55`	`Zandose`	`do you have a more exact date?`
`02:54.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Soon, possibly, maybe.`
`02:54.44`	`Zandose`	`goes to build and stock a emp shielded bomb shelter!`
`02:55.29`	`JademusSreg`	`conducts science, madly.`
`03:00.54`	`Zandose`	`my computers so much faster now...`
`03:06.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Dezoop. brb`
`03:27.49`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Ownage (proprietar@192.161.167.41)`
`03:28.25`	`Ownage`	`How can I make an item which grants a passive attack for a hero`
`03:28.44`	`Ownage`	`similar to those battleships games in warcraft 3`
`03:29.02`	`Ownage`	`you get an item in your inventory, you get a laser attack which autofires and you can't control it`
`03:31.48`	`Ownage`	`just the jist of it will be fine`
`03:41.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Zoop.`
`03:42.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah, should be simple enough.`
`03:44.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Basically, either Carry Behaviors or Carry Weapons array works.`
`03:48.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Assuming behavior-based, Item : Carry Behavior : > Buff behavior : Periodic Effect : > Search Area effect : Area : Effect : > Launch Missile effect et cetera`
`03:52.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Assuming weapon-based, Item : Carry Weapon : > Legacy weapon : Effect : > Launch Missile effect; of course, turret optional, arc whatever, needs to be transient, allow movement, moving, not linked cooldown, can initiate attack, doesn't need only fire blah blah.`
`03:53.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Got it Ownage?`
`03:53.25`	`JademusSreg`	`I'll take that as a yes.`
`04:06.21`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Obscene (184a8609@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.74.134.9)`
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`04:50.00`	`MoonEater`	`hola`
`04:52.31`	`JademusSreg`	`?`
`04:56.33`	`Obscene`	`Como estas`
`05:05.28`	`MoonEater`	`I think Pretty awsome is hording his voice actors`
`05:05.31`	`MoonEater`	`anyone know anyone`
`05:07.55`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`05:08.11`	`Obscene`	`just do it yourself`
`05:15.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Pretty awsome?`
`05:18.13`	`MoonEater`	`ya he does sc2 machina`
`05:18.27`	`MoonEater`	`Obscene, ..i. -.- .i..`
`05:18.34`	`MoonEater`	`suck it`
`05:18.43`	`Obscene`	`\?`
`05:18.55`	`Obscene`	`Suck What?`
`05:19.42`	`Obscene`	`I could contact PA at any time, but I would rather not :P`
`05:20.03`	`Obscene`	`His voice actors aren't from the mapping community.`
`05:20.06`	`Obscene`	`They are his RLF`
`05:20.14`	`Obscene`	`if I recall correctly.`
`05:20.29`	`MoonEater`	`hes on my skype`
`05:20.38`	`MoonEater`	`i already did he said he would mention it`
`05:20.45`	`MoonEater`	`but i doubt it`
`05:20.55`	`MoonEater`	`;/`
`05:20.55`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`05:21.04`	`Obscene`	`PA is a cool guy, he might :P`
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`05:32.11`	`*** join/#sc2mapster ElectricPrism (~Loren@unaffiliated/electricprism)`
`05:32.39`	`ElectricPrism`	`Hey, I was just wondering - does including Hots campaign data include additional trigger functions in addition to the default?`
`05:33.00`	`ElectricPrism`	`or is the HoTS campaign data limited to models, actors and data things`
`05:33.21`	`Obscene`	`Hots contains new unit pre-set up data, and new assets`
`05:33.25`	`Obscene`	`such as models sounds etc`
`05:33.40`	`ElectricPrism`	`Ok, cool`
`05:33.46`	`Obscene`	`It also contains a few editor things, but they are far and few`
`05:33.54`	`Obscene`	`Such as the new hero bar`
`05:34.36`	`ElectricPrism`	`Also, I was wondering - I created a map back during SC 1.5, if I copy / paste the triggers to a new file will I get new triggers to use since the current version is 2.x ?`
`05:34.53`	`ElectricPrism`	`Actually before 1.5`
`05:35.16`	`Obscene`	`The map is whatever version your editor is when you save it :)`
`05:35.29`	`Obscene`	`You dont have to copy the triggers you can just open the map and re-save it`
`05:35.47`	`Obscene`	`but if you did copy the triggers then yes`
`05:35.54`	`Obscene`	`also you can add the HoTS Dependency Manually`
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`05:36.40`	`Obscene`	`Yo triceron does zolden really have the Death Knight model?`
`05:36.49`	`Obscene`	`or was that fake, it had a strange black outline around it`
`05:36.52`	`ElectricPrism`	`I see, thanks :)`
`05:36.58`	`Obscene`	`np anytime`
`05:37.06`	`Triceron`	`that was the model`
`05:37.18`	`Obscene`	`ah`
`05:37.22`	`Triceron`	`he's helping me test it`
`05:37.40`	`Obscene`	`ah ok, I was just curious, I didnt know you put the black fog under the model it looks good`
`05:37.41`	`Obscene`	`:)`
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`05:40.38`	`Obscene`	`[01:37] <Obscene> ah ok, I was just curious, I didnt know you put the black fog under the model it looks good`
`05:40.49`	`Obscene`	`Timeouts...`
`05:40.56`	`Triceron_`	`yeah, su dummbbb`
`05:41.02`	`Triceron_`	`* so dumb`
`05:41.29`	`Triceron_`	`the particles are working now, but still gotta work on em a bit`
`05:41.41`	`Obscene`	`ah`
`05:41.42`	`Triceron_`	`apparantly they lag some people`
`05:41.53`	`Obscene`	`ah`
`05:41.55`	`Obscene`	`Thats not good`
`05:41.59`	`Obscene`	`I am the king of lag...`
`05:42.07`	`Obscene`	`Everything I touch causes 5 fps drop haa`
`05:42.31`	`Triceron_`	`I only really plan on using a few of these at a time, but it still needs to be optimized fr public use`
`05:42.40`	`Obscene`	`yeah`
`05:42.58`	`Obscene`	`You have wireframes/buttons?`
`05:43.08`	`Triceron_`	`nope`
`05:43.18`	`Obscene`	`Do you plan on making htem?`
`05:43.24`	`Triceron_`	`wireframes are easy to make though`
`05:43.29`	`Obscene`	`yrsh`
`05:43.31`	`Triceron_`	`not really`
`05:43.39`	`Obscene`	`Well when you release them tell me, and ill make them both for you`
`05:43.47`	`Obscene`	`then you can add them into the file for people`
`05:44.02`	`Triceron_`	`I don't plan on using the units for anything that uses the conventional RTS UI`
`05:44.09`	`Obscene`	`ah`
`05:44.10`	`Obscene`	`gotcha`
`05:44.19`	`Triceron_`	`so no portraits either`
`05:44.25`	`Obscene`	`Ah`
`05:44.33`	`Obscene`	`Well techincally you dont need portraits any more`
`05:44.34`	`Triceron_`	`i'm just planning to do specific portraits for talking characters`
`05:44.43`	`Obscene`	`The editor now handles self creation portraits`
`05:44.48`	`Obscene`	`I think`
`05:44.54`	`Triceron_`	`meaning?`
`05:45.08`	`Obscene`	`You can adjust the camera to create a portrait out of any model`
`05:45.21`	`Triceron_`	`ahh`
`05:45.25`	`Obscene`	`I dunno the specifics but jademus and I were talking about it maybe a week ago`
`05:45.26`	`Triceron_`	`that might work too`
`05:45.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Model data has additional fields for defining portrait camera shit.`
`05:45.39`	`JademusSreg`	`As of 2.0.10 or .11.`
`05:45.41`	`Triceron_`	`if it's as simple as that, I could prolly just add a camera to em all`
`05:46.09`	`Triceron_`	`it'll be a stretch goal on my kickstarter`
`05:46.16`	`Obscene`	`Kickstarter?`
`05:46.25`	`Triceron_`	`joking`
`05:46.26`	`Obscene`	`What you tryin to kickstart?`
`05:46.29`	`Obscene`	`ahhh`
`05:46.30`	`Obscene`	`gotcha`
`05:46.31`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`05:46.58`	`MoonEater`	`edgod`
`05:46.58`	`Triceron_`	`500,000 - Portrait camera added to models`
`05:47.00`	`Obscene`	`I was thinking about kickstarting Evo-Frenzy, but then I remembered... I dont want to HAVE to make this map`
`05:47.02`	`Obscene`	`:P`
`05:47.06`	`MoonEater`	`egod kick starter that guy..`
`05:47.18`	`Obscene`	`1,000,000 I remove all lag fromt he game`
`05:47.19`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`05:47.38`	`Obscene`	`yeah Egods is the worst kickstarter I have seen`
`05:47.47`	`Obscene`	`All hes going to do if he makes his goal is fix bugs...`
`05:47.47`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`05:48.08`	`Obscene`	`for 10k over his goal he will actually add something to his map`
`05:49.02`	`Triceron_`	`is his map on bnet?`
`05:49.21`	`Obscene`	`Egods, yes`
`05:49.48`	`Obscene`	`read this`
`05:49.49`	`Obscene`	`https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/821/931/8d3c097c3ce9c597815396d6e39f2b33_large.jpg?1376278335`
`05:49.50`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`05:51.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Curious, anyone wish there were more sc2 community contests, streams, events and such? Or alternately, wish there were more sc2 community?`
`05:52.17`	`Obscene`	`Jademus as you know, I am probably the only one here with any enthusiasm left...`
`05:52.25`	`Triceron_`	`mapping related or SC2 as a whole?`
`05:52.25`	`Obscene`	`so yes... someone is here that fits that description`
`05:52.51`	`JademusSreg`	`If there's any ambiguity, answer how you like, or all possible interpretations.`
`05:52.53`	`Obscene`	`Why jademus, what ya need`
`05:52.54`	`Obscene`	`:)`
`05:53.48`	`Triceron_`	`I believe there are/were some Blizzcon related contests that were held. Sometime. Maybe related to Starcraft.... Maybe...`
`05:54.10`	`Obscene`	`I feel that china for whatever reason is doing good on the arcade...`
`05:54.16`	`Obscene`	`they are getting blizzard official contest`
`05:54.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah, I refer to the community, not the company.`
`05:54.54`	`Triceron_`	`all the Blizzard related podcasts or streams I attend to are all going nuts over Hearthstone though, so it's sorta drowning out all SC2 related news at the moment`
`05:54.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Sorry about -that- ambiguity.`
`05:54.59`	`Obscene`	`Its one and the same at times :)`
`05:55.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`05:55.36`	`Obscene`	`Honestly the Sc2mapster community contest are without prize.`
`05:55.37`	`Triceron_`	`China has a lot of good mappers for SC2`
`05:55.42`	`Obscene`	`or rather never end...`
`05:55.54`	`Obscene`	`speaking to you mr themed creature contest been going on for a decade it seems`
`05:56.38`	`Triceron_`	`not sure how the Korean mapping scene is, but the War3 one was fairly vibrant as well`
`05:56.45`	`Obscene`	`Korea is dead`
`05:56.51`	`Obscene`	`SEA is dead`
`05:56.55`	`Obscene`	`EU is dying`
`05:57.01`	`Obscene`	`NA is... shot but still moving`
`05:57.31`	`Obscene`	`EU barely has anything to scroll down on`
`05:57.38`	`Obscene`	`NA only has 2 pages`
`05:58.10`	`Obscene`	`SEA + K&T = 1-5 open games`
`05:58.12`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`05:58.44`	`Obscene`	`I think I see why blizzard didnt want an open games list haha, it shows irrevocable proof that the game is dying :P`
`05:59.13`	`MoonEater`	`Obscene, such a downer`
`05:59.16`	`Obscene`	`I went on Wc3 TFT today.`
`05:59.23`	`Obscene`	`I started a random lobby`
`05:59.29`	`Obscene`	`it took me 5 minutes for 12 people to join`
`05:59.35`	`Triceron_`	`you will still get games in TFT`
`05:59.41`	`Obscene`	`this wasnt even that popular of a map`
`05:59.45`	`Obscene`	`it was just DBZ Tribute`
`05:59.48`	`Obscene`	`and old version at that`
`05:59.56`	`Triceron_`	`well the good thing is`
`06:00.05`	`Triceron_`	`the games so old people won't kick or leave for downloading a map`
`06:00.11`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`06:00.16`	`Triceron_`	`they'll be patient about it`
`06:00.16`	`JademusSreg`	`There was a discussion about such community-organized activities and, being an observant narcissist, I was curious to see what if any consensus there might be on the solution to lack of community engagement I describe.`
`06:00.18`	`Obscene`	`Or ban -_-`
`06:00.55`	`Obscene`	`Honestly Jademus, I have gone over it, but the fact of the matter is..... There isnt enough public people playing...`
`06:01.12`	`Obscene`	`We are not blizzards PR department... thats one thing we cant fix`
`06:01.45`	`Triceron_`	`I can't pin point it but there's something about the arcade that keeps me at arms distance. It's just not comfortable to use. I have friends that feel the same way, guys who used to play custom maps all the time in other Blizz RTS, and even tried in SC2`
`06:01.50`	`Obscene`	`The ONLY reason I am still working on my map, is because I dont give up on stuff and always see whatever I do to the bitter end, for better or worse`
`06:01.52`	`JademusSreg`	`This being the position I describe: http://www.sc2mapster.com/paste/8503/`
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`06:03.02`	`Triceron_`	`Two Best Friends for SC2 maps?`
`06:03.20`	`Obscene`	`Any context?`
`06:03.30`	`Obscene`	`If you wanted to do a talk show for Sc2mapster there is ONLY one way`
`06:03.54`	`Obscene`	`you need someone like yourself and someone like me, SOmeone who represents what most will aspire to be and someone who is like me... in other words... trollish`
`06:04.07`	`Obscene`	`one for knowledge one for entertainment`
`06:04.08`	`Triceron_`	`a SC2 Pewdiepie?`
`06:04.26`	`ElectricPrism`	`I want to run a For loop every 1 game seconds in a function, anyone have an idea of how I would do that`
`06:05.03`	`Obscene`	`you can repeat actions electric prism`
`06:05.07`	`Obscene`	`:)`
`06:05.47`	`Triceron_`	`that sounds like tastosis lol`
`06:05.57`	`ElectricPrism`	`for (i = 0; i > 10; i++) { /* Code Here */ wait(1 second) } ?`
`06:06.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Like many, many talk media personalities, I expect.`
`06:06.26`	`JademusSreg`	`brb`
`06:06.55`	`Triceron_`	`that would be brilliant, if there were people like that in the community that were consistent enough to keep it up`
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`06:08.30`	`Obscene`	`Watching mad men, if you need me beep me :P`
`06:08.39`	`Triceron_`	`the interest in custom maps is relatively low right now, it'd be good to get people aware of what's out there through lets plays. Still sounds risky though, since there isn't really a target audience right now for that, it would have to generate one.`
`06:08.40`	`Obscene`	`I dunno why i like this show... it has nothing I like in it`
`06:08.41`	`Obscene`	`haha`
`06:10.35`	`JademusSreg`	`(Yep, that being the very core of the, erm, thesis, haha.)`
`06:25.22`	`ElectricPrism`	`is there a function that tells me if a "real" is a whole number or not`
`06:25.23`	`G0A`	`guy dont forget about map night today and next day:`
`06:25.24`	`G0A`	`EU Friday 18:00 GMT starcraft://group/2/130284`
`06:25.24`	`G0A`	`NA Saturday 16:00 EST starcraft://group/1/129749`
`06:35.46`	`duckies`	`G0A`
`06:35.47`	`ElectricPrism`	`I want to round a variable down to the lowest 0 point, would I use floor() ?`
`06:36.00`	`duckies`	`you better have something for us to test! =D`
`06:47.48`	`G0A`	`duckies we can test it but it might not work right:D`
`06:49.09`	`duckies`	`whaaaaaat? It was supposed to work weeks ago! :< how am I gonna practice my feedback giving skills at this rate?`
`06:49.26`	`duckies`	`since my feedback for anything not involving heroes would be "I don't like this"`
`06:49.44`	`duckies`	`and even hero games are 99% "I think this is stupid"`
`06:49.47`	`duckies`	`=/`
`06:49.55`	`G0A`	`:)`
`06:52.56`	`G0A`	`I still only added like 8 abilities and they are not balanced and dont have level up system`
`06:53.07`	`G0A`	`I mean you cant improve abilities`
`06:55.49`	`duckies`	`okay, I'll wait until you feel it's ready for testing`
`06:56.02`	`duckies`	`but it doesn't meant that I won't pester you each friday about it =D`
`06:56.49`	`G0A`	`if I will be here this friday then we will test it`
`06:57.10`	`G0A`	`though I will probably miss this map night too:)`
`06:57.30`	`G0A`	`I will be here for NA map night`
`06:58.42`	`duckies`	`Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooes`
`06:59.41`	`duckies`	`The only saturday I'll be home is next one, maybe then =D`
`07:00.05`	`duckies`	`though I heard that those guys like to play long 1h+ macro maps, which I dread`
`07:00.09`	`duckies`	`so we'll see`
`07:03.37`	`G0A`	`:)`
`07:03.47`	`duckies`	`wait`
`07:04.01`	`duckies`	`saturday MN is 2h later than EU one?`
`07:04.16`	`duckies`	`*3h`
`07:04.29`	`G0A`	`for us yes`
`07:04.38`	`G0A`	`21:00 GMT`
`07:04.52`	`duckies`	`that would be.. 24:00 for me.. nevermind then :D`
`07:04.58`	`G0A`	`lol`
`07:05.26`	`G0A`	`why dont you live in country with a good timezone:)`
`07:05.35`	`G0A`	`(though it will be 23:00 for me:) )`
`07:15.23`	`duckies`	`indeed`
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`08:10.42`	`A1win`	`mmh... nothing alarming in function profiling`
`08:17.28`	`zenx`	`haha`
`08:17.41`	`zenx`	`that SCU kickstarter thread is funny`
`08:17.50`	`zenx`	`one mod says "if you go offtopic I will ban you"`
`08:17.57`	`zenx`	`but people not even mods care :D`
`08:24.44`	`Zolden`	`zenx it's revolution! anarchy! marauders and rappers filled the streets`
`08:27.17`	`Zolden`	`can anyone explain this? I have persistent->launch, and it works. But If I set periodic offset, it doesn't`
`08:27.39`	`Zolden`	`I think I've used it before not once, and it worked`
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`08:35.18`	`Zolden`	`duckies aren't you messed a bit up with NA timer?`
`08:36.08`	`zenx`	`I agree`
`08:37.40`	`Zolden`	`you added 2 exra hours`
`08:38.20`	`Zolden`	`imitates quacking to attract duckies' attention`
`08:38.50`	`zenx`	`kwack kwack`
`08:39.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Zoop.`
`08:40.34`	`A1win`	`I'm in need of another test xO`
`08:40.36`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg are you a duck to come to quacks?`
`08:40.47`	`Zolden`	`A1win ok`
`08:40.49`	`Zolden`	`coming`
`08:40.56`	`A1win`	`if we can get 5-6`
`08:40.57`	`JademusSreg`	`I am whatever abominable creature zoops.`
`08:41.08`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, I can test.`
`08:41.33`	`A1win`	`mmh wonder if anyone else is awake :E`
`08:41.38`	`Zolden`	`frogs are close to zoop`
`08:42.44`	`A1win`	`zenx, you look like you want to playtest`
`08:43.24`	`zenx`	`m busy`
`08:43.25`	`zenx`	`'`
`08:43.31`	`A1win`	`:[`
`08:43.59`	`JademusSreg`	`On.`
`08:44.17`	`A1win`	`publish taking ages :x`
`08:45.44`	`Zolden`	`maps autors are bugged in bnet`
`08:45.58`	`Zolden`	`it randomly shows me that map's author is Kueken`
`08:46.04`	`JademusSreg`	`takes all the credit.`
`08:46.09`	`Zolden`	`maps are different every time`
`08:46.26`	`A1win`	`I guess a 3 player test won't hurt if we can't find more :F`
`08:48.20`	`G0A`	`zenx which kickstarter thread?`
`08:59.39`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, need me to explain the solution or have you got it?`
`08:59.54`	`A1win`	`go ahead, no idea what I should do ;p`
`09:00.43`	`A1win`	`I already have a "solution" but for some reason it stops working when there are 3 or more players >_>`
`09:01.41`	`JademusSreg`	`You already have the mouse position, so since it's not updating as the camera moves, you don't need to poll it, you only need to know the mouse button is still toggled.`
`09:02.28`	`A1win`	`hmm not sure why I even keep it as a point instead of direction x_X`
`09:02.36`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`09:03.06`	`JademusSreg`	`-Eventually- I'll have time to look at the code, but probably not today, so that's just my informed speculation.`
`09:04.29`	`Zolden`	`A1win you've been trying to face actor to something yesterday, succeeded?`
`09:04.51`	`A1win`	`yeah took the easy way and just attached it to unit's facing`
`09:04.54`	`Zolden`	`I wish my sop actor face target, is it possible?`
`09:04.58`	`A1win`	`and put the unit's model as an attachment`
`09:05.30`	`Zolden`	`so, unit did the thing`
`09:05.32`	`Zolden`	`ok`
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`09:19.36`	`A1win`	`now let's see how badly this refactoring broke this...`
`09:21.28`	`A1win`	`oh look it works`
`09:21.56`	`A1win`	`JademusSreg, Zolden: another test?`
`09:22.01`	`Bommes`	`Good Morning.`
`09:26.19`	`Zolden`	`A1win ok`
`09:28.29`	`A1win`	`I replaced station with starport to make the map 11 MB smaller ;p`
`09:28.58`	`Zolden`	`whaaat?`
`09:29.05`	`Zolden`	`you had 11mb model?`
`09:29.10`	`A1win`	`textures`
`09:29.31`	`Zolden`	`but textures are like 200kb`
`09:29.39`	`A1win`	`not these ;D`
`09:29.54`	`Zolden`	`you could shrink them to 512x512`
`09:30.07`	`A1win`	`yeah but it's fine, startport is good enough placeholder`
`09:30.16`	`Zolden`	`ok, let's test`
`09:30.19`	`A1win`	`need to change the artstyle anyway at some point`
`09:30.22`	`A1win`	`JademusSreg, join uuuus`
`09:30.53`	`A1win`	`Bommes, wanna help me with a quick test? o:`
`09:31.07`	`Bommes`	`sure`
`09:31.10`	`Bommes`	`just need a minute to log in`
`09:31.13`	`A1win`	`we're on EU`
`09:31.42`	`Bommes`	`man, browsing through sound assets is the worst`
`09:31.51`	`Bommes`	`you never know which one could be the one that you need`
`09:32.01`	`Bommes`	`and you always have to listen to the whole thing`
`09:33.08`	`A1win`	`bah it bugs with 2 players too`
`09:33.17`	`A1win`	`no need to test more for now I guess`
`09:33.40`	`ElectricPrism`	`is there functionality for me to add icons next to unit upgrades on the unit info panel`
`09:33.54`	`Bommes`	`Hmm, okay`
`09:34.02`	`Bommes`	`you can still add me, Bommes.403`
`09:34.16`	`Bommes`	`for the future`
`09:34.29`	`A1win`	`JademusSreg, it's got to be caused by lag somehow, it works fine when I test with people from EU but now it's bugged with just me and Zolden`
`09:39.16`	`A1win`	`Zolden, mouse doesn't send any events on init, can only get the coordinates from the events`
`09:43.25`	`A1win`	`but hmm... I don't think everyone else has this problem?`
`09:43.30`	`A1win`	`so what am I doing wrong D:`
`09:44.22`	`Zolden`	`can you check mouse coords relatively to other mouse coords?`
`09:44.33`	`A1win`	`what do you mean?`
`09:45.01`	`Zolden`	`first mouse event will create an offset between ship and game world click`
`09:45.19`	`Zolden`	`you will know this offset and mouse screen click coords`
`09:45.38`	`A1win`	`I'll only know the offset in world coordinates, not screen`
`09:45.43`	`Zolden`	`crap, sorry, it's wrong again`
`09:46.18`	`Zolden`	`oh, wait, I got it`
`09:47.03`	`Zolden`	`you need two pairs of "screen mouse coords" - "vector from ship to game world click point"`
`09:47.30`	`Zolden`	`than you will be able to calculate a vector for ship based only on screen coordinates`
`09:47.45`	`Zolden`	`without knowing screen resolution`
`09:47.50`	`A1win`	`and what if it's wrong the first time? :P`
`09:48.33`	`Zolden`	`first, give it a try`
`09:48.52`	`Zolden`	`if it will be worng sometimes, we can think further or refuse the approach`
`09:49.46`	`A1win`	`I'm just wondering why are the mouse coordinates not in sync with the unit position`
`09:50.21`	`Zolden`	`if player holds the mouse, how frequently it checks mouse position?`
`09:50.28`	`A1win`	`my script takes the angle between ship position and the mouse event coordinates and stores that angle to a variable`
`09:50.37`	`Zolden`	`or you calculate it from last position?`
`09:50.54`	`A1win`	`it only updates it when mouse events are fired`
`09:51.17`	`Bommes`	`Hmm, does anyone know a sound asset that could resemble some kind of high air pressure releasing?`
`09:51.21`	`A1win`	`but it's stored as an angle, not as a point (like it was before but it didn't make any difference)`
`09:52.12`	`A1win`	`I wonder if I used camera position instead of ship position... but camera is following the ship so I'd imagine that'd just be worseb`
`09:52.18`	`A1win`	`but I guess it's worth a try`
`09:52.44`	`Zolden`	`ok, do anything, one day you'lll fix itm i'd rather concentrate on my map`
`09:54.32`	`Bommes`	`nvm, already found something`
`09:55.30`	`Zolden`	`Bommes i can only imitate it with my mouse`
`09:55.38`	`Zolden`	`*with my mouth`
`09:55.54`	`A1win`	`Zolden, can you help me test this? you seem to be the only one who it's bugged like this so far`
`09:56.09`	`Zolden`	`yea`
`09:56.29`	`Zolden`	`for test i'm totally available`
`09:56.52`	`Zolden`	`just gimme a sec`
`09:59.44`	`A1win`	`would be so easy if I had screen center coordinates`
`10:00.30`	`Zolden`	`A1win sometimes it bugs when I not move the mouse holding acceleration, once it heppened in the moment my ship collided with a planet and changed direction of flying`
`10:01.12`	`A1win`	`that shouldn't be possible, it only updates the angles from mouse clicked and mouse moved events`
`10:01.20`	`Zolden`	`A1win also, I don't believe we can't get screen resolution/bottom right coord`
`10:01.25`	`Zolden`	`it should be somwere`
`10:01.36`	`Zolden`	`can we get dialog's real pixel coords?`
`10:02.00`	`Zolden`	`we'd put it to bottom right than and check`
`10:02.01`	`A1win`	`I'm pretty sure it isn't, it's one of those things that can change at any point during the game and a lot of other stuff like that isn't available either`
`10:02.23`	`A1win`	`there is some mod that lets you get screen resolution but it requires you to click on some dialog once`
`10:02.36`	`Zolden`	`lol`
`10:02.38`	`A1win`	`and you'd have to do that every time the user changes screen resolution`
`10:02.43`	`Zolden`	`you can trick players`
`10:02.59`	`Zolden`	`just force them to click start at bottom right button`
`10:03.09`	`A1win`	`;p`
`10:03.33`	`Zolden`	`well, why not, hitler won't get revived from one extra click`
`10:03.50`	`A1win`	`bad first impression of the map`
`10:04.33`	`Zolden`	`why I remember something about getting screen coordinate of something from game world?\`
`10:05.03`	`A1win`	`mmh I don't`
`10:05.21`	`Zolden`	`also, I think you can fix it with what you have`
`10:06.58`	`Zolden`	`the vector you get on mouse move shouldn't change if mouse not move. But it changes, ship changes impulse direction. Means something is worng in the code`
`10:08.25`	`A1win`	`you probably observed it wrong, it isn't updated from anything else than mouse events`
`10:09.34`	`A1win`	`move and click events both`
`10:09.48`	`A1win`	`but nothing else`
`10:10.50`	`A1win`	`it's so weird, I'd have thought the mouse events would actually be in sync with the game even if they do lag`
`10:12.29`	`A1win`	`I wonder if it somehow handles the incoming mouse moved events in wrong order if they lag too much`
`10:13.15`	`A1win`	`mmh nah that wouldn't cause that much error`
`10:13.39`	`A1win`	`unless it mixes up events from other frames`
`10:16.59`	`A1win`	`Zolden, another quick test`
`10:17.11`	`Zolden`	`I think I observed this: ship's fire direction changes without me moving mouse, just holding button`
`10:17.17`	`Zolden`	`ok, go`
`10:17.41`	`A1win`	`I've noticed the mouse events sometimes firing without moving mouse`
`10:17.45`	`Zolden`	`and the fire can stuck in a wrong direction until I move the mouse (than it restores to correct)`
`10:17.47`	`A1win`	`maybe in windowed mode or something`
`10:17.56`	`Zolden`	`I have fullscreen`
`10:36.56`	`Zolden`	`still it's unfuckingbelievable that we can't get screen resolution`
`10:37.09`	`Zolden`	`my arcanoid map is fucked becasue of it`
`10:42.27`	`G0A`	`:)`
`10:43.50`	`Zolden`	`A1win actually, "click here if you wnat better control" button doesn't seem a bad idea`
`10:45.10`	`A1win`	`well, as a last resort ;p`
`10:46.53`	`G0A`	`so Zolden will you fix and polish arconoid?`
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`10:50.41`	`Kueken`	`Shark`
`10:52.16`	`Zolden`	`G0A the main disadvantage of it is lag. I don't feel like fixing and polishing, becasue it can't be perfect`
`10:52.35`	`Zolden`	`G0A also, my next map will be related to arcanoid, so I will concentrate on it`
`10:52.46`	`Zolden`	`but first i'll finish my random td fanfic`
`10:52.52`	`Zolden`	`*squad td`
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`10:53.46`	`Zolden`	`Kueken do you know why bnet sometimes puts you as the author of a random mpa? Yestarday you were "cobold tribes" map author, today you were "gem tower defence" author`
`10:54.14`	`Zolden`	`I remember It was bugged deeper, I had none as author of each map`
`10:54.18`	`Zolden`	`now it's you`
`10:54.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Zoop.`
`10:54.30`	`Kueken`	`gem TD is correct, I published it on europe`
`10:54.40`	`Zolden`	`is it articulating the fact, that you probably affected each map with your help?`
`10:54.45`	`Kueken`	`:p`
`10:54.53`	`A1win`	`JademusSreg, we did some more testing... it's pretty clear now that the mouse events are not in sync with the unit/camera position`
`10:54.54`	`Kueken`	`cobold tribes, not that I know of`
`10:54.56`	`Zolden`	`oh, ok htan`
`10:55.24`	`A1win`	`and so far it's only lagged like that with Zolden, even when we're just the two of us testing`
`10:55.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Not sure if you mean it how I already explained it or if you mean it in a different sense.`
`10:55.46`	`A1win`	`how did you explain it? <.<`
`10:55.53`	`JademusSreg`	`But I'd like to take a quick glance at the code, if you'd send me the map/mapscript/run another test.`
`10:56.00`	`Zolden`	`A1win maybe the game has delay of the farest player`
`10:56.38`	`A1win`	`k I'll send you the map`
`10:56.40`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg Kueken guys, are you sure we can't get screen resolution of a player?`
`10:56.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh, perhaps that part was missed, but I explained that a moving perspective does not count as a mouse position change if the mouse is not being moved.`
`10:57.04`	`Kueken`	`there is a library for it, as far as I am aware it works decently`
`10:57.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Zolden, can't in an elegant way, but you don't need to do so.`
`10:57.23`	`Zolden`	`Kueken it requires extra click from a player`
`10:57.39`	`Kueken`	`yes, thats what Jade means by not elegant :)`
`10:57.42`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg I want nothing but elegant way`
`10:57.49`	`A1win`	`JademusSreg, yeah it only remembers the angle from ship to mouse whenever mouse is clicked/moved now`
`10:57.52`	`A1win`	`and it still has the same issue`
`10:58.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah, Zol, there's no elegant solution, but I've yet to see where it is necessary.`
`10:58.35`	`Zolden`	`A1win you know what may work? If you will add ship's speed vector to each mouse coordinate. It may simply compensate the lag`
`10:58.37`	`JademusSreg`	`runs command "mpqedit".`
`10:59.04`	`A1win`	`Zolden, huh?`
`10:59.14`	`JademusSreg`	`runs command "np++".`
`10:59.16`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg strange, isn't it? basic, commoly used thing doesn't have a function to get the value`
`11:00.09`	`JademusSreg`	`The devs explained it to me back in pre-1.5 as "many factors involved, asynchronous, et cetera".`
`11:00.16`	`Zolden`	`A1win nothing but ship's movement relatively moves the mouse coordinate to the wrong direction. So, if you add the ship speed vector to the mouse coord, it will look like it didn't lag`
`11:01.50`	`A1win`	`but the lag is not constant, no way of knowing how long period of time to include to that`
`11:02.04`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg knowing screen res? what is asynchronous here? if we ilelegantly get screen res, we'll use it with no problems`
`11:02.34`	`Zolden`	`A1win can you try it and then test? I'm curious how will it affect the whole thing`
`11:02.53`	`JademusSreg`	`4289 lines, seems to use decent names, makes good use of const and struct. I am pleased, so far.`
`11:02.55`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`11:03.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Zol, that's roughly what the devs said; just a hand-wavy technical thing.`
`11:03.42`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg it was obvious, becasue if a person can handle what A1win handles, he has a good style`
`11:03.57`	`Zolden`	`programmers can't program complicated things without a good stuyle`
`11:04.06`	`JademusSreg`	`By which I mean there's probably a good technical reason, and they couldn't be bothered to go into detail,.`
`11:04.35`	`Zolden`	`;/`
`11:05.48`	`Zolden`	`when ling "licks camera" on a portrait, it's probably a particle emitter in a special mode, get projected to a screen`
`11:06.22`	`Zolden`	`there is a cahnce we can use it for game world models`
`11:06.41`	`A1win`	`hmm looks like I still store mousex and mousey but not using them for anything outside that one function where I store them <.<`
`11:07.36`	`Zolden`	`A1win yea, keep digging, it should not cahnge direction of fire if i haven't moved mouse, and it does, so you have something to fix in code`
`11:08.00`	`A1win`	`code seems fine`
`11:08.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Refresh my memory, do you issue an order to the unit?`
`11:09.03`	`A1win`	`yeah`
`11:09.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Queued? Replace?`
`11:09.35`	`A1win`	`replace`
`11:11.06`	`A1win`	`it gives an order far ahead and repalces it every frame`
`11:11.20`	`Zolden`	`i want to finish data work and start coding to have the excitement of struggle and suffer trying to fix a bug, and then finally fix it - to myself too`
`11:12.37`	`Zolden`	`A1win you know what. Just make the vector to the order point longer`
`11:12.54`	`JademusSreg`	`I advise running a test map with the denugger enabled (add a trigger debugger on call if necessary), log into bnet from the still active client, run the map in single player, get up some speed, examine the var states.`
`11:12.54`	`A1win`	`it's long enough already`
`11:13.03`	`Zolden`	`if player clicked to the point like 1 to the left, order to move to 10 to the left`
`11:13.06`	`Zolden`	`and it will fix it`
`11:13.35`	`A1win`	`fix what?`
`11:13.50`	`Zolden`	`it's long when we click far from ship, and it's short when we click near the ship, but it should not matter at all! it creates not move impuls, but abstract direction impulse`
`11:14.17`	`A1win`	`it doesn't give the order to the clicked point, the order is based on velocity`
`11:14.26`	`A1win`	`it's always 4.0 to the direction the ship is moving`
`11:14.39`	`Zolden`	`A1win if you will create 10x longer vector between ship and the point player clicked, issue order commands on't be fucked ever`
`11:14.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Fun cheat command: a trigger with a breakpoint; line in it.`
`11:14.52`	`A1win`	`that's not the problem`
`11:15.00`	`Zolden`	`make it 40.0`
`11:15.03`	`A1win`	`the problem is that the unit position and the mouse clicked position are not in sync`
`11:15.09`	`Zolden`	`4.0 is too short for faster speed`
`11:15.16`	`A1win`	`so the angle between those points becomes random when there is random lag`
`11:15.29`	`A1win`	`yeah but that still isn't the issue ;x`
`11:15.40`	`A1win`	`it bugs even with low speeds`
`11:16.26`	`Zolden`	`A1win alright, keep digging than`
`11:17.20`	`Zolden`	`then`
`11:17.38`	`A1win`	`JademusSreg, it works fine in singleplayer, what would that debugging help?`
`11:18.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Must say, your input capturing makes my face feel sad.`
`11:18.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Single player local or on bnet?`
`11:18.19`	`A1win`	`either`
`11:18.28`	`A1win`	`what's wrong with the input capturing? :P`
`11:19.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Not generic, encumbered with code outside its purpose. =D`
`11:19.33`	`A1win`	`pff`
`11:20.12`	`A1win`	`not a meaningful issue to fix ;p`
`11:21.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah, that's more a methodological issue, not an error. More error prone, though.`
`11:23.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Guess I'll stop grazing and get to the bug-locating.`
`11:23.47`	`A1win`	`anyway, everything seems to work fine when no one has lag`
`11:24.14`	`A1win`	`then it starts to get the angles between ship and cursor wrong`
`11:24.34`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`11:25.36`	`A1win`	`the update mouse position function still uses some point setting, but converts it to angles in the end`
`11:25.48`	`A1win`	`could optimize that more but it wouldn't solve the issue ;p`
`11:26.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Patience, my time for fun.`
`11:36.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Hey, A1, care to test the NormalizedAngle function? =D`
`11:37.06`	`A1win`	`hmm? :X`
`11:37.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Run a sequence of values through it, incrementing it by 1/4096`
`11:38.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Wel, that might be excessive.`
`11:38.15`	`JademusSreg`	`*Well`
`11:38.20`	`A1win`	`why D:`
`11:39.26`	`Zolden`	`id's say the bug was isotropic`
`11:39.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Because while there's plenty of sad-face code patterns, an iterative attempt to bound the angle degrees is a fine place for shit to go wrong.`
`11:40.03`	`A1win`	`it just increments or decrements the angle by 360 until it's between [0,360[`
`11:40.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Hold on. brb`
`11:40.59`	`A1win`	`modulo didn't care if it's negative or positive and I didn't figure out how to make it work with that so I made that function instead =p`
`11:41.25`	`A1win`	`that doesn't have anything to do with the issue at hand, though`
`11:41.45`	`A1win`	`it's only used when the ship is sitting on a planet to clamp the angles`
`11:41.55`	`A1win`	`which works just fine`
`11:44.00`	`A1win`	`https://www.google.com/search?q=AY666&oq=AY666&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3.731j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8`
`11:44.17`	`A1win`	`flight 666 on friday to 13th on route to HEL, good luck`
`11:44.30`	`A1win`	`*the`
`11:45.13`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Thenarden (~Miranda@HSI-KBW-078-043-227-063.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de)`
`11:45.17`	`zenx`	`mmmmmmmm`
`11:45.21`	`zenx`	`I wana learn`
`11:45.26`	`zenx`	`how to make online-game`
`11:45.34`	`zenx`	`learning that stuff would be useful`
`11:46.04`	`zenx`	`been trying to learn TCP/IP shit and stuff`
`11:46.09`	`zenx`	`just to know how the data flows`
`11:46.53`	`A1win`	`probably better to just learn to use some library than going on so deep level`
`11:47.15`	`A1win`	`depends on the engine you're using, though`
`11:47.16`	`Zolden`	`internet protocols have 7 levels`
`11:47.16`	`zenx`	`probly yes`
`11:47.24`	`Zolden`	`from application to electricity`
`11:47.26`	`A1win`	`there's RakNet for instance`
`11:47.44`	`A1win`	`and that's where my knowledge ends ;p`
`11:47.59`	`zenx`	`but its semi useful stuff in my industry anyway`
`11:48.05`	`zenx`	`thats why I looked into it`
`11:48.15`	`zenx`	`even thou I most likely only need to know the bare basics`
`11:48.28`	`zenx`	`like what cables to use and how to link several stations together`
`11:49.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Back.`
`11:50.17`	`zenx`	`god so much studying`
`11:50.21`	`zenx`	`got another job offer`
`11:50.29`	`zenx`	`I gotta get a fucking job now`
`11:50.33`	`zenx`	`since so many offers`
`11:51.02`	`A1win`	`JademusSreg, ignore that critical section thing btw, was just a test to see if it made any difference ;p`
`11:51.13`	`A1win`	`(it didn't)`
`11:51.52`	`A1win`	`I'm starting to get a feeling there's nothing to do about this issue unless I can somehow use screen coordinates instead of world coordinates`
`11:52.22`	`Zolden`	`A1win there are alot of workarounds, that will completely fix the issue`
`11:52.34`	`A1win`	`and create new ones ;p`
`11:52.45`	`Zolden`	`maybe not`
`11:53.04`	`Zolden`	`have you tried to use a distance of 10 instead of 4?`
`11:53.17`	`A1win`	`that has nothing to do with the issue`
`11:53.18`	`Zolden`	`I feel like it may fix it`
`11:53.31`	`A1win`	`that would only cause the ship to stop at random if it was an issue`
`11:53.35`	`A1win`	`at high speeds`
`11:53.49`	`Zolden`	`ok`
`11:54.10`	`A1win`	`and if a ship is moving over 4 units per 1/16 seconds, it's moving VERY fast`
`11:54.18`	`A1win`	`I changed that to 40 now though but no reason to test it`
`11:54.29`	`Zolden`	`ok, you convinced me`
`11:55.07`	`Zolden`	`do you affect acceleration vector if mouse neither moves nor clicks?`
`11:55.37`	`Zolden`	`is it the acceleration vector that creates a point to move?`
`11:55.38`	`A1win`	`the mouse doesn't affect movement in any way, it only affects the direction of the thrusters when they are on`
`11:56.21`	`A1win`	`the angle from ship's position to cursor position is stored to a global variable per player whenever the mouse is clicked or moved`
`11:56.22`	`Zolden`	`the fact that when i not move mouse and not click - and thrusters change direction, this only fact must be the first issue to solve`
`11:57.11`	`Zolden`	`because angle of thrusters shouldn't change if i do nothing but hold mouse button`
`11:57.23`	`A1win`	`yeah probably related to the lagging events as well`
`11:57.39`	`A1win`	`there is nothing else to initiate that function call but the mouse clicked and mouse moved events`
`11:58.01`	`Zolden`	`why this is related to lag? Vector is in the global variable, nothing changes it, how lag can change it?`
`11:58.22`	`A1win`	`the event that lags ;p`
`11:58.27`	`A1win`	`dunno`
`11:59.01`	`A1win`	`it comes with a delay after you've already stopped moving the mouse`
`11:59.19`	`A1win`	`or there might be times when the client is sending mouse moved events even when mouse is not moving`
`11:59.23`	`A1win`	`I've seen that happen sometimes`
`11:59.32`	`Zolden`	`also, If i hold mouse near the ship, it is fucked alot. If I hold mouse far from ship, it isn't fucked. What this fact means? It shouldn't mean if you not update the vector`
`11:59.56`	`Zolden`	`A1win wait a minute! Is your ship's decceleration is low?`
`11:59.58`	`A1win`	`it means that the error is smaller because the ship position only alters slightly near the center of the screen`
`12:00.03`	`A1win`	`it doesn't teleport around the edges`
`12:00.44`	`A1win`	`deceleration is 0, which should be instant deceleration I think`
`12:01.04`	`Zolden`	`0 means it is not decelerates after reashing the point`
`12:01.40`	`A1win`	`most default SC2 units have 0 deceleration`
`12:01.42`	`Zolden`	`I think your "move to" point is related to the distance between ship and last mouse event.`
`12:01.53`	`Zolden`	`alright`
`12:01.55`	`A1win`	`it isn't`
`12:02.06`	`A1win`	`the move to point is directly gotten from ship's velocity`
`12:02.52`	`A1win`	`and velocity is incremented by various forces, such as gravity and the ship's thruster`
`12:03.06`	`Zolden`	`A1win what if you temorarily implement screen resolution check button, and will use screen coordinates for everything?`
`12:03.08`	`A1win`	`mouse position only affects the angle of the thruster, not its strength`
`12:03.52`	`A1win`	`well there's a good chance it would fix it, but I'd rather see if there are any proper solutions first`
`12:04.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Back. Many possible approaches to the angle shit, but constant time is preferable to linear, so I'll provide one I found, and one I have in one of my demos.`
`12:04.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Found (note, ternary operator): (angle %= 360) >= 0 ? angle : (angle + 360);`
`12:04.28`	`A1win`	`well it is constant in practice ;p`
`12:04.49`	`A1win`	`hmm yeah I suppose that would work`
`12:04.51`	`JademusSreg`	`I mean its computational complexity.`
`12:04.56`	`zenx`	`so anything new to mapnight?`
`12:04.59`	`zenx`	`I might play it`
`12:05.10`	`Zolden`	`A1win I want you to try the screen resolution based approach to make sure that in other parts your control system is correct`
`12:05.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Think I may have a better one in an old map, one moment.`
`12:05.39`	`Zolden`	`zenx yea, we will play all of my maps except homm and civ, is it new for you?`
`12:05.55`	`zenx`	`I dont like starthammer :(((`
`12:05.57`	`A1win`	`Zolden, it works just fine already when there is no lag`
`12:06.03`	`zenx`	`that AoE shit was pretty cool`
`12:06.06`	`Zolden`	`starhammer isn't mine`
`12:06.09`	`zenx`	`nostalogia ftw`
`12:06.30`	`zenx`	`mmm ah yes you made that shitt yTD :D`
`12:06.37`	`zenx`	`it felt really akward`
`12:07.12`	`zenx`	`I dunno what kind of strategy you are suppose to have in that TD`
`12:07.13`	`zenx`	`we won`
`12:07.15`	`Zolden`	`becasue it's original, it's a hybrif between td and tug of war and action, and the td component is also fresh`
`12:07.16`	`zenx`	`but...I dunno`
`12:07.27`	`zenx`	`can you spawn units?`
`12:07.41`	`zenx`	`cause isnt tug of war just spawning units`
`12:07.43`	`Zolden`	`yea, each tower you build sends units to enemy wave`
`12:07.51`	`zenx`	`oh didnt even know that`
`12:08.07`	`zenx`	`I would prefer line tower wars over that`
`12:08.12`	`zenx`	`like seperate spawning`
`12:08.21`	`zenx`	`it has nice tactical value when you could spawn for income`
`12:08.27`	`zenx`	`or build for defence but no income`
`12:08.39`	`Zolden`	`it will be in my next map`
`12:08.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Meh, can't be bothered to dig to find a single function in a single map, haha.`
`12:08.57`	`zenx`	`those pickups are also unfair`
`12:09.00`	`Zolden`	`but it will also include original components, so people will find reason to not like my map anyway`
`12:09.01`	`zenx`	`in competitive map`
`12:09.07`	`zenx`	`cause fastest one gets them and gets avatange`
`12:09.13`	`Zolden`	`pickups are the source of action`
`12:09.28`	`zenx`	`I dont like them at all`
`12:09.29`	`Zolden`	`you can pick a snipe and snipe enemy builder, it's fun`
`12:09.37`	`A1win`	`JademusSreg, yeah it's fine :P I used that algorithm you mentioned, but it's not like it'll change anything :x`
`12:09.42`	`zenx`	`its like you are trying to take the away whats cool about TDs`
`12:10.10`	`zenx`	`if you make TD it doesnt have to be original to be cool imo`
`12:10.30`	`Zolden`	`zenx yea, td + action is something not too expected, but it can be fun still, me and other players felt it`
`12:10.51`	`Zolden`	`zenx standard td's are UGLY FUCKING SHIT, i hate them`
`12:11.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Not an algorithm, A1. =D`
`12:11.20`	`JademusSreg`	`But no, I believe I know precisely where the bug is now, haha.`
`12:11.26`	`A1win`	`D:`
`12:11.31`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg tell me pls`
`12:11.48`	`Zolden`	`i got too involved into it to want to know the bug source`
`12:11.52`	`zenx`	`I just hate it that there is pretty much 0 strategical decisions you can do`
`12:11.54`	`zenx`	`you cannot maze`
`12:11.58`	`zenx`	`you cannot spawn units to income`
`12:11.59`	`JademusSreg`	`I remembered something you mentioned a while back, want to confirm before I celebrate.`
`12:12.01`	`zenx`	`etc...`
`12:12.13`	`Zolden`	`zenx you can build income buildings to income`
`12:12.18`	`zenx`	`I know`
`12:12.20`	`zenx`	`but its bad`
`12:12.28`	`zenx`	`you have to get so much income before its doable`
`12:12.30`	`A1win`	`well I've changed some stuff, depends on what it is...`
`12:12.32`	`Zolden`	`we will try it again today, you maybe will feel it`
`12:14.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Btw, what did you mention about a "critical section" earlier?`
`12:14.20`	`Zolden`	`why do I have .SC2Interface files in my sc2 mods folder, i never put there?`
`12:14.53`	`A1win`	`JademusSreg, the mouse position function has a critical section around it, but it didn't have any effect, was just a quick test`
`12:15.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Thought so, needed to make sure. =D`
`12:15.32`	`Zolden`	`I think there was critical section around zenx for last 10 minutes`
`12:17.12`	`A1win`	`err why am I even running this mouse update code every time mouse moves and not just once at the beginning of every frame`
`12:17.26`	`A1win`	`dunno if that'd make any difference either, though`
`12:17.44`	`A1win`	`if it does, I take back what I said about nothing being wrong about my input code`
`12:17.47`	`A1win`	`:>`
`12:18.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`12:18.33`	`zenx`	`ah yes fate made that starhammer map`
`12:21.07`	`*** join/#sc2mapster taijhuijhoagt (4e3c1a28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.60.26.40)`
`12:21.14`	`zenx`	`ah`
`12:21.19`	`zenx`	`I miss the wc3 Tds`
`12:21.26`	`zenx`	`final fantasy TD, pokemon TD`
`12:21.28`	`zenx`	`so good`
`12:21.31`	`zenx`	`;)`
`12:21.45`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg please`
`12:21.46`	`zenx`	`they all had same layout`
`12:21.49`	`zenx`	`but it matters not`
`12:21.57`	`Zolden`	`A1win haven't you tried After Forever band?`
`12:22.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Zol, ?`
`12:22.14`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg tell me the reason you found`
`12:22.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Can't confirm I've found what I'm looking for yet.`
`12:22.52`	`Zolden`	`taijhuijhoagt have you ever tried King Crimson band?`
`12:23.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Is there a wager or something?`
`12:23.04`	`taijhuijhoagt`	`no`
`12:23.10`	`taijhuijhoagt`	`what they all about?`
`12:23.54`	`Zolden`	`taijhuijhoagt they are unique, but we can describe it like progressive rock with alot of harmonical beatifulness and psychodelism`
`12:23.56`	`A1win`	`Zolden, up for a quick test again?`
`12:24.13`	`taijhuijhoagt`	`afkoay`
`12:24.15`	`taijhuijhoagt`	`okay`
`12:24.16`	`taijhuijhoagt`	`afafa`
`12:24.18`	`taijhuijhoagt`	`sf`
`12:24.20`	`Zolden`	`A1win after 10 minutes, im in a middle of abil making`
`12:24.26`	`A1win`	`kk`
`12:25.35`	`Zolden`	`taijhuijhoagt if you dl their discography, i'll tell you waht albums to start with, but first album is probably the best, it's 69's year and simply bright as sun`
`12:29.49`	`Zolden`	`anyone remembers what actor message pauses/slows animations?`
`12:30.11`	`taijhuijhoagt`	`wtf... 13gb`
`12:30.25`	`taijhuijhoagt`	`so give us clue what to look to in that torrent`
`12:30.30`	`A1win`	`AnimSetTimeScale`
`12:30.39`	`Zolden`	`taijhuijhoagt don't dl reduceless, dl mp3's`
`12:30.44`	`Zolden`	`A1win ty`
`12:31.26`	`Zolden`	`taijhuijhoagt on pirate bay you can order torrents based on the number of seeders, and mp3 ones are usually near the top`
`12:32.43`	`taijhuijhoagt`	`okay MOM!`
`12:32.56`	`taijhuijhoagt`	`so what albums?`
`12:33.44`	`A1win`	`err... now the aiming isn't completely accurate even when testing on local client`
`12:33.52`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`12:33.54`	`Zolden`	`the first one of '69 is good to start with`
`12:34.14`	`Zolden`	`taijhuijhoagt also, Red`
`12:34.28`	`A1win`	`I think I actually do need to calculate the angles in the event code instead of delaying it until the next game frame`
`12:34.37`	`A1win`	`because then the ship has already moved a bit`
`12:34.39`	`taijhuijhoagt`	`1970... starts`
`12:34.57`	`Zolden`	`taijhuijhoagt ok, sec, i'll give you the names`
`12:35.02`	`A1win`	`err unless I store ship position too...`
`12:35.22`	`Zolden`	`taijhuijhoagt "In the court of th Crimson King"`
`12:35.24`	`Zolden`	`is the first one`
`12:36.06`	`Zolden`	`taijhuijhoagt Disciplean, Beat, Three of Perfect Pair <-- cool period`
`12:36.33`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`12:36.45`	`Zolden`	`taijhuijhoagt all of 70 and 71 are just magical`
`12:37.14`	`Zolden`	`A1win I'm envious of your struggle`
`12:37.25`	`A1win`	`this is annoying <.<`
`12:37.31`	`taijhuijhoagt`	`okay dling`
`12:38.11`	`Zolden`	`A1win it promises an euphorical moment of "fuck yea, that was it"`
`12:38.22`	`A1win`	`;p`
`12:38.30`	`A1win`	`unless there is no solution`
`12:38.37`	`A1win`	`which it's starting to look like`
`12:38.54`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, since you may find it faster given that it's your code and you know the lay of the land so to speak, remember how you mentioned that sometimes you need to break up the load of calculating so much shit?`
`12:39.35`	`A1win`	`mmh did I? D:`
`12:39.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Code may have changed since you said it, but it was said.`
`12:39.56`	`A1win`	`I don't think there's anything like that here, at least not anymore`
`12:40.31`	`A1win`	`wtf now this is still getting the angles wrong even though I store both the cursor and the ship position within the same event`
`12:40.48`	`A1win`	`but only if I move cursor very fast`
`12:44.10`	`Zolden`	`sad animation pause doesn't pause particles...`
`12:46.30`	`Zolden`	`sad, i forget commas sometimes`
`12:48.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah.`
`12:48.38`	`JademusSreg`	`How many regions are on the map?`
`12:49.12`	`A1win`	`this map?`
`12:49.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Yar.`
`12:49.23`	`A1win`	`two`
`12:49.48`	`JademusSreg`	`All I see are the FromId calls in the code, so perhaps you could describe them?`
`12:50.09`	`A1win`	`one is for minimap and one is the playable area`
`12:50.20`	`Zolden`	`taijhuijhoagt you have "hui" in your nickname`
`12:50.42`	`taijhuijhoagt`	`okay`
`12:50.58`	`taijhuijhoagt`	`noone else understand the meaning of it`
`12:51.00`	`taijhuijhoagt`	`sooooo`
`12:51.06`	`taijhuijhoagt`	`hui is good`
`12:51.14`	`Zolden`	`duckies would`
`12:51.17`	`Zolden`	`and otixa`
`12:52.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, are you aware you frequently multiply a velocity value by the time step twice?`
`12:52.44`	`taijhuijhoagt`	`vpizdu them`
`12:52.56`	`A1win`	`yeah, it isn't accurate enough otherwise so I store it as per second rather than per time step`
`12:53.55`	`A1win`	`I think I found one problem, though it's just an aesthetic one`
`12:54.32`	`A1win`	`I was updating the ship's facing too early so it was looking at wrong direction sometimes`
`12:54.41`	`A1win`	`which made thrusters seem slightly off too`
`12:54.53`	`A1win`	`but that only affects the looks, not how the ship behaves`
`12:55.15`	`A1win`	`anyway that might have been the reason why it felt off locally`
`12:56.20`	`A1win`	`or dunno, nngh`
`12:56.33`	`A1win`	`yeah still a bit off`
`12:57.19`	`JademusSreg`	`https://pastee.org/bpaae`
`12:57.41`	`JademusSreg`	`I mean, this is how it often looks, once the onion layers are peeled off.`
`12:57.49`	`A1win`	`yeah`
`12:58.10`	`JademusSreg`	`I understand once, but not twice.`
`12:58.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Wondering if you might clear that up a bit.`
`12:59.33`	`A1win`	`I can't multiply it by 1/256 because the fixed point values aren't precise enough? ;p`
`12:59.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`13:00.15`	`halides`	`a<<8; ? :-p`
`13:00.31`	`JademusSreg`	`The smallest fractional increment the fixed point type can represent is 1/4096`
`13:00.32`	`halides`	`umm, >> :-p`
`13:00.46`	`A1win`	`oh right`
`13:01.03`	`A1win`	`is it?`
`13:01.14`	`A1win`	`the GUI doens't let me even type values that small D:`
`13:01.28`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`13:02.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, point is if 0.0625*0.0625 works, there's zero reason 1.0/256.0 wouldn't work.`
`13:02.43`	`A1win`	`but that isn't 0.0625*0.0625`
`13:02.49`	`A1win`	`it's (c0.0625)0.0625 ;p`
`13:03.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah, that's a joke, almost eluded me.`
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`13:04.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Nice callback to curve formula, hah.`
`13:04.59`	`A1win`	`curve formula?`
`13:05.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Er, that was a joke refering to the formula I provided for the curved damage recovery time, yeah?`
`13:06.03`	`A1win`	`no :P`
`13:06.05`	`A1win`	`nevermind`
`13:07.10`	`A1win`	`wtf why does this ship randomly turn sometimes`
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`13:08.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, not sure why you'd want to calculate velocityX(1/256) or velocityY(1/256), so if you could fill me in on that part, that would be neat. =D`
`13:09.20`	`A1win`	`the velocity is stored as velocity / second`
`13:09.42`	`A1win`	`and acceleration is velocity over time`
`13:10.00`	`A1win`	`so acceleration over timestep is velocity / timestep / timestep`
`13:10.15`	`A1win`	`err, multiplied`
`13:11.08`	`A1win`	`weird, I think I'm having similar inaccuracy issues locally now too O_o maybe there is something wrong somewhere then...`
`13:11.19`	`A1win`	`or maybe I just messed it up more`
`13:12.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Er. I guess I'll just trust you on that not-intuitive approach, since it's not the bug. =D`
`13:13.09`	`A1win`	`the point is that the velocity would normally be stored as 0.0625 times as large as it is`
`13:13.54`	`A1win`	`so when I need what it would normally be times 0.0625, it needs to be done twice`
`13:16.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Perhaps I'm missing something integral to understanding it, but no worries.`
`13:16.10`	`A1win`	`:P`
`13:16.59`	`A1win`	`if a unit's velocity is v, the point at which it will be after 0.0625 seconds is position + v * 0.0625`
`13:17.18`	`A1win`	`but because v is 16 times larger than it should be, it's actually position + v * 0.0625 * 0.0625`
`13:20.44`	`A1win`	`umm where's the tool to add/remove terrain cells`
`13:21.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Terrain Object subtool.`
`13:21.38`	`A1win`	`had to check that my terrain is actually on the same level as the units are :P`
`13:22.27`	`A1win`	`so weird though, now in the mouse events I store point at which cursor is and point at which the ship is`
`13:22.36`	`A1win`	`then on next game frame I get the angle between those points`
`13:22.43`	`A1win`	`and it sometimes becomes messed up`
`13:23.37`	`A1win`	`as if the ship isn't where it seems to be or something`
`13:25.10`	`A1win`	`the closer to the ship I take the cursor, the more it starts to act up`
`13:26.34`	`A1win`	`it's like it gets the ship position from another frame than where it gets the mouse position from....`
`13:27.16`	`JademusSreg`	`What's the camera Angle of Attack?`
`13:27.43`	`A1win`	`90`
`13:28.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Ooo, how about a parameter dump? =D All the camera values, that'll be fun.`
`13:29.13`	`A1win`	`mmh?`
`13:30.15`	`A1win`	`here's xml of the camera if that's what you meant http://pastebin.com/fSxYs90M`
`13:32.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Damn, wanted all the values, but no worries. I've got script to dig through. =D`
`13:34.05`	`A1win`	`1) I move the mouse quickly around the ship to turn the ship, ship isn't aiming towards cursor 2) I slightly nudge the mouse and the ship suddenly turns to face the cursor again`
`13:34.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Useful.`
`13:35.45`	`JademusSreg`	`First, a question.`
`13:36.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Is there any dialog controls attached to the unit or otherwise positioned on or near it or through areas it may pass?`
`13:37.05`	`A1win`	`nope`
`13:38.13`	`JademusSreg`	`No custom unit status shit, no old dialogs lingering? No spooky computer ghosts in need of busting?`
`13:38.30`	`A1win`	`nope :E`
`13:39.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Alright. Second, did you delete the Critical Section action from your triggers?`
`13:39.18`	`A1win`	`yeah`
`13:40.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Any other changes to the script I should know?`
`13:40.48`	`A1win`	`since the version I sent you or what?`
`13:40.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Yep. =D`
`13:41.21`	`A1win`	`I'm testing out that I only store the mouse position and ship position in the events and then update the angles at the beginning of the game loop`
`13:41.30`	`A1win`	`and somehow this seems even worse than it was before`
`13:41.51`	`Zolden`	`lol`
`13:42.25`	`Zolden`	`just alttabbed here to check if it's fixed and read "even worse"`
`13:42.31`	`A1win`	`;>`
`13:43.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh yeah, remembered something else.`
`13:43.50`	`A1win`	`http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a63/SC2%202013-09-13%2016-43-00-08.jpg`
`13:43.50`	`A1win`	`<.<`
`13:43.57`	`A1win`	`gave it a beam to see better`
`13:44.00`	`A1win`	`or a bar, rather`
`13:44.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Impressed.`
`13:44.38`	`A1win`	`thought you'd be`
`13:44.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Darth fucking Maul.`
`13:45.09`	`Zolden`	`can we test it with beams?`
`13:45.49`	`A1win`	`I'll keep that until this is fixed I guess`
`13:45.51`	`Zolden`	`i jsut finished the abil I I said I need 10 minutes 1.5 hours ago`
`13:45.57`	`A1win`	`hehe`
`13:46.08`	`A1win`	`well not sure if there's any point testing yet, haven't really done anything to help fix this`
`13:46.16`	`Zolden`	`ok`
`13:47.33`	`A1win`	`I have a feeling the ship unit's position isn't where the ship appears to be`
`13:48.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh man.`
`13:48.27`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Almaity (~Almaity@93-136-67-121.adsl.net.t-com.hr)`
`13:48.34`	`JademusSreg`	`How did you go about attaching the model?`
`13:48.39`	`Almaity`	`Ello`
`13:48.44`	`Zolden`	`A1win hey`
`13:48.48`	`Zolden`	`crap`
`13:48.51`	`Zolden`	`Almaity hey`
`13:48.53`	`Almaity`	`:p`
`13:48.55`	`A1win`	`no I don't mean like that`
`13:48.59`	`A1win`	`I mean to the script`
`13:49.04`	`A1win`	`like err`
`13:49.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Please say "The unit actor uses AttachModelOffset actor event message with blahblah siteops".`
`13:49.17`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`13:50.03`	`A1win`	`it's just a model actor that is created when the ship unit is born`
`13:50.48`	`A1win`	`with an Attachment siteop with hold rotation and a rotator on top of it`
`13:50.52`	`Zolden`	`Almaity waht brought you here?`
`13:51.22`	`Almaity`	`Well, I usually open the IRC when I'm mapping. As you can see, I don't map that much...`
`13:51.45`	`JademusSreg`	`And the first siteop in the list is SOpAttachCenter or SOpAttachCenterSoft? =D`
`13:51.46`	`Almaity`	`so nothing in particular`
`13:52.07`	`Almaity`	`although I do wanna ask Jademus whether he did anything regarding the the retextures`
`13:52.13`	`A1win`	`err nope`
`13:52.26`	`Almaity`	`So, Jademus, had time/will yet? :)`
`13:53.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Alm, I had a flu, coincidentally. Slept two solid days, just recovered, haha.`
`13:54.23`	`Almaity`	`oh right`
`13:54.26`	`Almaity`	`I read the post >.>`
`13:54.51`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg do you like the paradoxal way brain works when it's flu and raised body temperature?`
`13:55.00`	`JademusSreg`	`But on the plus side, now that I've been getting rest, I'm catching up on the shit I missed.`
`13:55.07`	`Zolden`	`Almaity are you writing anything new?`
`13:55.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Zol, humans are meat machines with electro-chemical computers. Too hot or too cold and the chemistry is influenced.`
`13:55.56`	`Almaity`	`eh, some things, haven't gotten too far in new things`
`13:56.23`	`Almaity`	`Not sure whether you read the Aren one I've sent you I think, but I've got an incomplete second part`
`13:56.50`	`Zolden`	`Almaity cool! I haven't, but as I said more than a yera ago, I will`
`13:56.55`	`Almaity`	`:)`
`13:57.01`	`A1win`	`wtf, if I keep rapidly clicking the mouse, the ship changes its facing from left to right`
`13:57.06`	`A1win`	`like slightly, but anyway`
`13:57.18`	`A1win`	`well only if the ship is moving`
`13:57.30`	`Zolden`	`I actually want, because I realy liked the one I've read, but huge english text make be lazy to start, but after I start, I'll eat it in a few days`
`13:58.14`	`Almaity`	`This one isn't as funny though, it's more serious (You probably remember Aren from the previous one. Logan shows up a bit as well, but not much), not sure whether I pulled that off as well`
`13:58.45`	`Zolden`	`Almaity I don't believe that you can do it less funny, but ok, we'll see`
`13:59.17`	`Almaity`	`:p`
`13:59.43`	`Almaity`	`It's written in first person, and Aren isn't a particularly funny person`
`14:00.01`	`Zolden`	`also, I liked how the plot evolves, how inventively the story bends, and how dynamically all happens, so, the fun part isn't that importand (though, It brings some charm after all)`
`14:00.33`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, so on update, it's perhaps adding to the angle or what?`
`14:00.58`	`Almaity`	`If I get a good idea on how to make a sequel to that one I will, with Aren I did try something quite different though, so don't expect it to be too similar`
`14:01.10`	`Almaity`	`Not really sure how to explain it :(`
`14:01.24`	`Zolden`	`ok, I won't`
`14:01.52`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Dustin\|Work (~Dustin@64.39.213.168)`
`14:01.57`	`Almaity`	`Less of a big overarching plot, more of him narrating his life (Story is divided into two parts, everything leading up to and including the first story with Logan, and then a second part with a proper connected plot)`
`14:02.05`	`Zolden`	`but I start to think that you care about things I don't care much, and things I do care about are jsut organic part of your manner of writing`
`14:02.14`	`Almaity`	`could very well be :)`
`14:02.19`	`Zolden`	`so I have nothing to worry about`
`14:04.49`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, what options are enabled in Map > Map Options?`
`14:05.43`	`Kueken`	`Maity!`
`14:05.51`	`Almaity`	`Kueken!`
`14:06.00`	`Kueken`	`my favourite Starmon dev :-*`
`14:06.08`	`Almaity`	`:)`
`14:06.09`	`Kueken`	`(sorry moz and Zelda)`
`14:06.26`	`Kueken`	`hows it going?`
`14:06.32`	`Almaity`	`Uh... slowly`
`14:06.34`	`Almaity`	`Im lazy`
`14:06.37`	`Almaity`	`Zeda has school`
`14:06.46`	`Almaity`	`...and we're really close to having something playable`
`14:07.08`	`Kueken`	`lazyness I can relate to :)`
`14:07.26`	`A1win`	`JademusSreg, just Hide Errors During Online Games`
`14:07.40`	`A1win`	`should take that off I guess =p`
`14:07.42`	`Kueken`	`I have to go to a wedding tomorrow :(`
`14:07.49`	`Zolden`	`Almaity I just got a pokemon idea for you guys. "Fuckachu"! gues, what's its special abil is`
`14:07.51`	`A1win`	`no errors locally though`
`14:07.59`	`Almaity`	`Tbh my lazyness atm isn't even that much of an issue (which is partially why I am that lazy), most things on my side are done and I don't think I cna really help with all the few bugfixes that are still necessary`
`14:08.04`	`Almaity`	`Zolden :p`
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`14:08.23`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, that the only option?`
`14:08.34`	`A1win`	`yeah`
`14:08.35`	`Kueken`	`sounds like a french delicacy`
`14:08.42`	`Almaity`	`also, is there a limit to number of shapes per region?`
`14:08.47`	`JademusSreg`	`kk`
`14:08.54`	`Kueken`	`that whould be the worst spelling ever`
`14:08.54`	`Almaity`	`It seems as if a lot of my shapes disappeared, four of em moved O.o`
`14:08.59`	`Kueken`	`too lazy to look it up`
`14:09.04`	`JademusSreg`	`32, iirc, but not certain`
`14:09.05`	`A1win`	`looks like this ship aiming isn't perfectly accurate locally either`
`14:09.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Could be any power of 2.`
`14:09.13`	`A1win`	`just not as badly inaccurate as we had with lag`
`14:09.18`	`Kueken`	`uh`
`14:09.20`	`Almaity`	`definitely not 32, I've got way more`
`14:09.22`	`Kueken`	`it was correct?`
`14:09.25`	`Kueken`	`:p`
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`14:10.07`	`JademusSreg`	`And hey, diamond regions are a thing now.`
`14:10.12`	`Almaity`	`64 is more likely. But if thats the case, they're only removed on reloading cuz atm Im sitting on 92 I think`
`14:10.12`	`Kueken`	`"I'll have a Fuckachu with extra cream."`
`14:10.17`	`A1win`	`if the ship isn't moving, the aiming is completely accurate`
`14:10.18`	`Almaity`	`lol`
`14:10.40`	`JademusSreg`	`If you like predefining regions, and don't think it's silly they don't just have vector shapes.`
`14:10.46`	`Almaity`	`yea, diamond regions could be useful, but rectangles are perfect for what I need (marking tall grass tiles)`
`14:10.59`	`Zolden`	`A1win what if you reread vector math? can it help? maybe some formulas are wrong?`
`14:11.11`	`Kueken`	`someone want to replace me at the wedding?`
`14:11.23`	`Zolden`	`Kueken as who?`
`14:11.33`	`Kueken`	`the bride, of course`
`14:11.34`	`Bommes`	`the bride`
`14:11.45`	`Almaity`	`The b-- fuck, Im too late`
`14:11.48`	`A1win`	`Zolden, you mean something wrong with "get angle between position of cursor and position of ship"? ;p`
`14:11.49`	`Zolden`	`mapmakers are funny`
`14:12.09`	`Kueken`	`nah, its a good friend`
`14:12.38`	`Kueken`	`but my social phobia kinda wishes I wasn't invited`
`14:12.46`	`Zolden`	`A1win dunno, maybe you add or multiply vectors, there are 3 forces involved: gravity, speed and acceleration`
`14:12.57`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, did you remove lv_offset from UpdateMouseStuff?`
`14:13.06`	`Zolden`	`Kueken well, mdma would help`
`14:13.29`	`A1win`	`JademusSreg, yeah`
`14:13.31`	`Kueken`	`gravity = acceleration and speed is derivative`
`14:13.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Any other changes I should know? =D`
`14:13.56`	`Kueken`	`yeah, I cut my hair`
`14:14.11`	`JademusSreg`	`notes it in the logs.`
`14:14.18`	`A1win`	`dunno, I reverted back to updating the aiming whenever mouse is moved/clicked`
`14:14.19`	`Kueken`	`still looks ugly, but its short now!`
`14:14.22`	`Almaity`	`Kueken: Come late, blame traffic (accident somewhere along the way?), so you reduce the time you have to spend there :p`
`14:14.23`	`Bommes`	`you think he is still going to marry you if you are going bald?`
`14:14.30`	`A1win`	`cleaned up the mouse update function a bit`
`14:14.57`	`Kueken`	`Bommes: But we love each other!`
`14:15.01`	`A1win`	`errrr`
`14:15.08`	`Bommes`	`that's what you think!`
`14:15.09`	`JademusSreg`	`And did it work?`
`14:15.17`	`Kueken`	`whats a little hair compared to the fur that is true man love?`
`14:15.26`	`Almaity`	`Reminds me of that scene in Scrubs where JD met that girl that liked his hair...`
`14:15.58`	`Almaity`	`"Is there anything else you like about me other than my hair? You know, my sense of humor, my charm..." "no, just the hair"`
`14:16.18`	`A1win`	`1) click mouse on client at point P, ship is at point Q 2) data travels over the net 3) mouse was clicked at point P, but ship is already at point Q1; the angle between P and Q is not the same as angle between P and Q1`
`14:16.24`	`Almaity`	`(I probably paraphrased that horribly)`
`14:16.53`	`Zolden`	`Kueken actually, acceleration is derivative from speed, isn't it?`
`14:17.06`	`Kueken`	`he has great hair, though yearn`
`14:17.41`	`A1win`	`the point is: the mouse clicked event sends the WORLD point where the mouse was clicked, not the fact that the mouse was clicked at screen, the script engine doesn't calculate the world point`
`14:17.47`	`A1win`	`isn't that the problem D:`
`14:18.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, unit position and mouse clicked must be synced.`
`14:18.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, there may be an exception.`
`14:18.34`	`A1win`	`then why aren't they D:`
`14:18.50`	`Kueken`	`>.< not so loud Zolden, noone would have noticed`
`14:19.10`	`JademusSreg`	`If the thread is overburdened doing things besides, say, setting the variable states. =D`
`14:19.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Hahahaha`
`14:19.23`	`Zolden`	`Kueken alrigh`
`14:19.39`	`Zolden`	`GUYS, CHECK RECENT KUEKENS MESSAGES!!!`
`14:19.50`	`Almaity`	`lol`
`14:19.56`	`Almaity`	`btw, anyone here played terraria?`
`14:19.58`	`Kueken`	`AH, ALL CAPS IS WHISPERING NOW?`
`14:20.05`	`Almaity`	`YES`
`14:20.24`	`Kueken`	`OKAY, GUYS, WE NEED TO BE REAL QUIET NOW!`
`14:20.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Yep.`
`14:20.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Starbound will be badass.`
`14:20.51`	`Zolden`	`Kueken and if someone ask you to press caps, you can say that you holding shift, so fuck off`
`14:21.10`	`A1win`	`nnngh what can I do about this :<`
`14:21.12`	`Almaity`	`Terraria on PC is getting patched on October 1st :)`
`14:21.15`	`Dustin\|Work`	`weee`
`14:21.17`	`Kueken`	`I did indeed hold shift`
`14:21.28`	`Kueken`	`I never use capslock, ever`
`14:21.33`	`Almaity`	`I actually always hold shift as well`
`14:21.36`	`Zolden`	`yea. me too`
`14:21.37`	`A1win`	`if only I could just utilize cursor position relative to center of the screen...`
`14:21.47`	`Zolden`	`so "caps lock" is a myth`
`14:21.54`	`Dustin\|Work`	`lol my capslock key doesnt work`
`14:22.37`	`Zolden`	`anyone's using num lock?`
`14:22.45`	`Almaity`	`well, I've spent 1.5 hours placing regions. What a productive day.`
`14:22.49`	`Zolden`	`or scroll lock?`
`14:22.51`	`A1win`	`numlock is always on for me`
`14:23.01`	`Almaity`	`I hate num lock, it somehow always goes off >.>`
`14:23.08`	`Almaity`	`and I have no idea what scroll lock does xD`
`14:23.20`	`Almaity`	`I can't even find it on my keyboard xD`
`14:23.39`	`Zolden`	`3 lock buttons can be used to play light-music on keyboard if you're in a mood for some fun`
`14:23.44`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Scroll Lock is from ancient times`
`14:24.04`	`Almaity`	`From back when our ancestors fought dragons and saved princesses?`
`14:24.05`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, I suppose you could submit to the tyranny of Single Purpose Principle code unit patterns, abstraction of repeated code patterns, generic solutions over exceptions and special cases, and such.`
`14:24.31`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Originally the key did actually have a use. Back before many programs included scroll bars in their user interfaces, or people had scroll wheels on their mice, the scroll lock would enable the arrow keys to scroll text/content displayed on the screen. The scroll lock key was also used to prevent some software from automatically scrolling as new text appeared, particularly in terminals to make it easier to read the output.`
`14:24.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Or use an input capture library of some sort, perhaps.`
`14:25.15`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I wonder where he could get an input capture library, hmmm`
`14:25.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Hmmmm.`
`14:25.37`	`A1win`	`I wonder if that would make any difference <.<`
`14:25.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Certainly would.`
`14:25.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Might not fix the issue, though.`
`14:31.35`	`Lajjla`	`How do you rotate a model in the editor again JademusSreg`
`14:31.38`	`Lajjla`	`It was somethingf with 'facing'`
`14:31.45`	`Lajjla`	`But I can't find it in the data editor`
`14:31.52`	`Lajjla`	`I want to rotate a skybox model`
`14:32.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Of a doodad or of the terrain?`
`14:33.02`	`Lajjla`	`Just a 'model'`
`14:33.04`	`Lajjla`	`Not an actor`
`14:33.17`	`Lajjla`	`One that is used as skybox in this case`
`14:34.43`	`JademusSreg`	`In the terrain editor, cutscene editor, model previewer, scene editor or asset browser?`
`14:35.11`	`Lajjla`	`Asset browser falls under data editor right?`
`14:36.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, it's a separate modal dialog with a table-like list on the left and a render frame on the right.`
`14:36.48`	`Bommes`	`Ctrl + Rightclick`
`14:45.23`	`JademusSreg`	`bbl`
`14:45.45`	`Almaity`	`great, you broke the silence. gj`
`14:45.47`	`A1win`	`I suppose I'll have to do some hacky solution to find out a player's resolution and then use screen coordinates instead`
`14:47.09`	`A1win`	`or I could take a shower and watch some burn notice <.<`
`14:47.31`	`Almaity`	`That sounds a bit more fun`
`14:48.57`	`Bommes`	`tv series`
`14:49.39`	`Bommes`	`killing work flow since decades`
`14:58.49`	`A1win`	`what work flow ;p`
`14:59.03`	`A1win`	`it's more like a work clog`
`15:00.11`	`Zolden`	`A1win history knows examples when an exhausting problem was solved by a couple of clicks the next morning after a day full of strugle`
`15:01.05`	`A1win`	`this is just starting to seem like an engine level issue`
`15:01.21`	`A1win`	`the unit and mouse clicked positions are not in sync`
`15:02.53`	`Zolden`	`A1win what if you change the mechanics? Now you you should click in forward direction, and ship is flying there. What if you invert it, and players will click behind the ship so it will move away from clicks?`
`15:03.35`	`Zolden`	`it was actually my expectation of how it works`
`15:03.37`	`A1win`	`that wouldn't change anything`
`15:03.50`	`Zolden`	`ok`
`15:04.03`	`JademusSreg`	`False alarm.`
`15:05.43`	`Almaity`	`Time to do more relatively pointless work: Set up a spreadsheet with all my current pokemon...`
`15:05.52`	`Bommes`	`False alarm? Ben Affleck actually is not the new Batman?`
`15:05.53`	`Bommes`	`Phew!`
`15:06.04`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, if you're taking a break, wanna send me the most recent working build? I can have my way with it and, instead of fixing bugs, go million-dollar-man on it.`
`15:06.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`15:06.23`	`A1win`	`k ;p`
`15:07.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Alm, I'll see if I can't finish my iteration in a tidy hour (hahaha, I admit, I doubt that).`
`15:07.52`	`Almaity`	`Cool :)`
`15:08.03`	`Almaity`	`what texture were you working on specifically?`
`15:08.21`	`Zolden`	`will wander behavior override orders? I mean, will unit wander no matter what orders it had b4 the behavior applied or recieved while it has it?`
`15:09.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Jane.`
`15:10.11`	`JademusSreg`	`subtly suggests spelling it Jayne for style points.`
`15:10.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Zol, it overrides stop/idle, but not hold position.`
`15:11.31`	`*** join/#sc2mapster duckies (4d26cd7a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.38.205.122)`
`15:12.13`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg what about move?`
`15:12.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Shouldn't.`
`15:12.36`	`Zolden`	`alright`
`15:13.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Which reminds me, Zol, when the opportunity is available, if you'd like to make some primitive assets for the PC rerelease, I can go over some of those. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p9uMBy7KrcyFWsHHmwz1xzvQ-DNXU9nSMbUbeX_TFGI/`
`15:15.24`	`Almaity`	`JademusSreg, done: http://i.imgur.com/ZAkZZwK.png`
`15:15.41`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg I can make you now a simple beam with square section to see how it works`
`15:16.06`	`Almaity`	`also had to think of this now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEIDvgapTw8`
`15:16.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Sounds goot, Zol, and the concept is rather critical as well, haha.`
`15:16.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Yesss.`
`15:17.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Firefly, we barely knew ye.`
`15:21.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Is Jayne supposed to be dumb, or Pinkie Pie cuckoolander? Ditzy but competent in her own different way?`
`15:22.15`	`Almaity`	`Uh... No idea who pinkie pie is :p`
`15:22.39`	`Almaity`	`A bit dumb, but not the worst. (More distracted than dumb really)`
`15:22.45`	`JademusSreg`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDjniw04LPY`
`15:22.58`	`JademusSreg`	`That sort of personality.`
`15:23.36`	`*** join/#sc2mapster MoonEater (6c586101@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.88.97.1)`
`15:25.25`	`MoonEater`	`hihi`
`15:26.11`	`Almaity`	`A bit like that, yeah. (But Jesse will always try to keep her in line so it will be... "milder"?)`
`15:26.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes, not a ridiculous shrill cartoon, got it, haha.`
`15:26.59`	`MoonEater`	`which cartoon?`
`15:28.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Before the flu, I had been using that personality as a reference, and had begun decorating the uniform in an amusing fashion.`
`15:29.11`	`Almaity`	`Yea, that'll definitely fit :) Uploading screenshots of some of the dialog we have atm`
`15:29.14`	`Almaity`	`but imgur is being slow`
`15:29.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Legally Blond + Mercanry Agent style.`
`15:29.22`	`JademusSreg`	`*mercenary`
`15:33.53`	`Almaity`	`I just placed two screenshots with the lines we currently have in the dropbox folder, imgur seems to be having a bad day`
`15:34.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Thank goodness for options.`
`15:34.52`	`MindWorX`	`slaps JademusSreg around a bit with a large trout`
`15:35.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi thar Mindy. ♥`
`15:35.15`	`MindWorX`	`Hey you. <3`
`15:35.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Made your handle hot purple.`
`15:36.06`	`MindWorX`	`I wouldn't expect any less. :P`
`15:36.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Wat's up?`
`15:36.18`	`MindWorX`	`You're hot magenta here. :P`
`15:36.38`	`MindWorX`	`Not a whole lot. School and life.`
`15:36.45`	`MindWorX`	`How's about you?`
`15:37.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Juggling various projects and contributions, oh, and recently had a flu and slept two solid days. That was neat.`
`15:37.54`	`MindWorX`	`Been there.`
`15:38.07`	`MindWorX`	`It's a weird feeling going to bed friday and waking up sunday. :P`
`15:38.56`	`JademusSreg`	`And hey, how about that wacky NSA, amirite? Looking forward to chew on that for some game concepts.`
`15:39.05`	`JademusSreg`	`*to chewing`
`15:39.47`	`MindWorX`	`Haha`
`15:39.55`	`MindWorX`	`I'm sure you'll think up something interesting. :P`
`15:40.33`	`MindWorX`	`How's the SC2 modding scene coming along? Any cool I2H-scale revelations?`
`15:40.38`	`MindWorX`	`H2I*`
`15:40.49`	`JademusSreg`	`1984 & Brave New World + Monster Rancher & Dungeon Keeper: name it either Custodial Protocol or perhaps simply Child Rancher.`
`15:42.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, the vm is fairly well protected, and I'm not keen on burning $60 and my handle to tool around with the client memory while it's actually connected to bnet.`
`15:42.24`	`MoonEater`	`wow`
`15:42.26`	`MindWorX`	`Understandable`
`15:42.27`	`MoonEater`	`dogma`
`15:42.31`	`MoonEater`	`is on the war path jade`
`15:42.36`	`MoonEater`	`whats with that?`
`15:42.44`	`MindWorX`	`What about 3rd party parser for more advanced language options? Or is it all data-driven?`
`15:43.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Though I am releasing Photon Cycles with a redesign as a platform to promote my other projects, so that's the most recent thing.`
`15:44.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Jetcraft is an in-game script language/editor/sandbox thing on a SC2 platform, which is bizarre but impressive in its own right.`
`15:44.46`	`MoonEater`	`Jetcraft`
`15:44.46`	`JademusSreg`	`No language extensions ever matured, and it's basically a dark age.`
`15:44.52`	`MoonEater`	`is very impressive`
`15:45.29`	`MoonEater`	`language extentions`
`15:45.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Moon, wat warpath?`
`15:45.33`	`MoonEater`	`would make me soo horny`
`15:45.43`	`MoonEater`	`oh the 80k kickstarter`
`15:45.47`	`MoonEater`	`dogma been crashing`
`15:46.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Dunno what that means.`
`15:46.42`	`MoonEater`	`corse u do u commented on it`
`15:47.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Mindy, I've got a public-ish design outline for the new Photon Cycles I started once I woke from the flu-sleep, though it's a bit of a mess atm. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p9uMBy7KrcyFWsHHmwz1xzvQ-DNXU9nSMbUbeX_TFGI/`
`15:48.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Moon, I commented on what?`
`15:49.20`	`MoonEater`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/57579-starcraft-universe-reaches-80-000-goal/?page=3#p63`
`15:49.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah, you mean I commented on the topic, yeah.`
`15:50.15`	`JademusSreg`	`And that's hardly a war path.`
`15:52.29`	`MoonEater`	`it is for me`
`15:52.35`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg guess this beam will work (it's vertical, you'll place em horizontally) http://i.snag.gy/M15OB.jpg`
`15:53.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Worth a shot.`
`15:55.15`	`*** join/#sc2mapster MoonEater\|mobile (~AndChat64@108-88-97-1.lightspeed.mtryca.sbcglobal.net)`
`15:55.44`	`MoonEater\|mobile`	`And blizzard isn't going to high anyone from outside California as a developer`
`15:56.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Or hire, for that matter.`
`15:56.35`	`MoonEater\|mobile`	`UCLA and aandiego r all feeding them employees`
`15:56.48`	`MoonEater\|mobile`	`San Diego*`
`15:56.50`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/43/557/ps_barrier_beam.m3`
`15:57.12`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg it may require some modifications based on its look in game`
`15:57.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Will test soonish.`
`15:58.17`	`MindWorX`	`I'm impressed that someone gathere $80,000 for a mod.`
`15:58.21`	`MindWorX`	`gathered*`
`15:58.24`	`MoonEater\|mobile`	`Me, I'll apply for an internship next summer probably won't get it cause they getting inters also but IMA try`
`15:59.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Quite a surprise.`
`15:59.38`	`MoonEater\|mobile`	`I can't graduate without completing an internship`
`15:59.40`	`MindWorX`	`Why do they need that kind of money for a mod?`
`15:59.53`	`MoonEater\|mobile`	`So they don't have to work`
`16:00.01`	`MoonEater\|mobile`	`And can spend all their time`
`16:00.08`	`MoonEater\|mobile`	`Making the mod`
`16:00.54`	`JademusSreg`	`I handle some questions to that effect, Mindy. =D http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/08/starcraft-mmo-is-only-80000-from-becoming-a-reality/?comments=1&post=25092723#comment-25092723`
`16:02.05`	`MoonEater`	`jade i love prometheus and bob`
`16:02.27`	`MoonEater`	`damn jade ur harsh`
`16:02.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Not at all.`
`16:03.16`	`MindWorX`	`I guess that makes sense. I'm surprised Blizzard allowed it.`
`16:03.51`	`MoonEater`	`Why the hell should I pledge cash to a vanity project like a mod? That is an excellent question.`
`16:04.06`	`MoonEater`	`MindWorX blizzard owns it`
`16:04.12`	`MoonEater`	`anything u make in the editor`
`16:04.14`	`MoonEater`	`blizzard owns`
`16:04.19`	`MoonEater`	`no one realizes that tho`
`16:04.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Though I can understand how one might imagine I'm harsh, without the soothing playful sound of voice and smirking handsome features to provide emotional subtext.`
`16:05.03`	`MindWorX`	`MoonEater, That depends. Models and other external assets aren't property of Blizzard. Of course, once it's shared in a map, Blizzard are free to further redistribute it to my understanding.`
`16:06.10`	`MindWorX`	`I guess it's possible to play a trick on Blizzard in that regard. Have a friend create assets with a very limited license. Use them regardless without the friend interferring.`
`16:06.23`	`MoonEater`	`well`
`16:06.28`	`MoonEater`	`the question is`
`16:06.29`	`MoonEater`	`then`
`16:06.37`	`MindWorX`	`However, should Blizzard decide to reuse the assets, you have the legal rights to tell them not to on account of them being shared without consent the first time.`
`16:06.40`	`MoonEater`	`if u made the moddel legaly`
`16:06.53`	`MoonEater`	`most of the people in here have a illegal version of 3ds`
`16:06.54`	`MoonEater`	`or`
`16:06.58`	`MoonEater`	`they have a student version`
`16:07.11`	`MoonEater`	`if they have the student version they still dont own it`
`16:07.30`	`MindWorX`	`How are they ever going to find out what program it was made with?`
`16:07.31`	`MoonEater`	`and autodesk can strike a deal with blizzard to sell the model rights to them`
`16:07.44`	`MoonEater`	`cause u have to prove that you made the model`
`16:07.45`	`MindWorX`	`Once exported into a binary format, data like that is gone.`
`16:08.00`	`MindWorX`	`Export it to a blender friendly format and that's it? :P`
`16:08.32`	`MoonEater`	`they could ask autodesk`
`16:08.35`	`MindWorX`	`Also, I really doubt the legality of taking the rights to anything produced with a student version, but IANAL so I wont argue that.`
`16:08.41`	`MoonEater`	`if you have a legit license`
`16:08.53`	`MindWorX`	`MoonEater, I just said, export to blender.`
`16:09.03`	`MindWorX`	`Tell them you made it in blender.`
`16:09.12`	`MoonEater`	`might work`
`16:09.22`	`MoonEater`	`but like u said they will just remake the asset`
`16:09.23`	`MoonEater`	`XD`
`16:09.44`	`MoonEater`	`they have armies of zoldens`
`16:09.46`	`MindWorX`	`Sure, but then they're back to point A.`
`16:10.26`	`MoonEater`	`actually they may own the moddel 2`
`16:10.33`	`MoonEater`	`i bet theres a clause in the agreement`
`16:10.39`	`MoonEater`	`forfieting u to asset rights`
`16:10.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh, Mindy, reminds me, did you hear about a game called Edge of Space?`
`16:10.55`	`MindWorX`	`Nopes`
`16:11.17`	`JademusSreg`	`http://www.playedgeofspace.com/`
`16:11.29`	`MoonEater`	`http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/06/29/edge-of-space-appears-on-steam-pay-8-to-get-early-access-to-the-sci-fi-sandbox/`
`16:11.58`	`MindWorX`	`Looks interesting`
`16:12.40`	`JademusSreg`	`RPS covered it, and I had an amusing exchange with one of the EoS devs I think you'll appreciate.`
`16:13.02`	`JademusSreg`	`https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Images/Pissed%20off%20the%20Edge%20of%20Space.jpg`
`16:13.44`	`JademusSreg`	`(Screenshot to ensure it wouldn't be cleaned for PR-reasons.)`
`16:15.16`	`MindWorX`	`Haha`
`16:15.24`	`MindWorX`	`That's lovely. :P`
`16:16.04`	`JademusSreg`	`And I still enjoy .NET Reflector to this day, thanks for the fun introduction to it. =D`
`16:16.15`	`MindWorX`	`:D`
`16:16.25`	`MoonEater`	`jade... why am i not surprised`
`16:16.29`	`MindWorX`	`It's amazing how trivial CIL is to decompile into C#`
`16:16.30`	`MoonEater`	`sighs`
`16:16.57`	`MindWorX`	`Speaking of Unity though, 4.3 seems to bring some interesting 2D features. I've been contemplating trying it out if I can using the free version.`
`16:17.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes, looking forward to it.`
`16:17.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Curious to see how they handle it.`
`16:18.03`	`MindWorX`	`Yeah. I saw some features on the Unified(or whatever it's called) livestream.`
`16:18.14`	`MindWorX`	`Looked pretty sweet.`
`16:19.27`	`MoonEater`	`jade that actor u have yesterday wouldnt have a dead actor build up that generates lag would it?`
`16:19.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Moon, of course not.`
`16:20.38`	`*** join/#sc2mapster mille25 (54871f5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.135.31.95)`
`16:20.50`	`MoonEater`	`i left the game on for awhile and noticed my computer was running sluggishly and sc2 gained 300mb of ram cashe (although not a strong indicator) has me wondering`
`16:21.08`	`MoonEater`	`probably me or nothing`
`16:21.10`	`MoonEater`	`but making sure`
`16:21.25`	`Zolden`	`this new feature with search in effect fields is just cool`
`16:21.28`	`Almaity`	`there's a debug message that creates an output file with all active actors`
`16:21.35`	`JademusSreg`	`actordumplive`
`16:21.43`	`MoonEater`	`Zolden?`
`16:21.44`	`Zolden`	`why no one said that patching to 2.0.10 is a good idea?`
`16:21.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Why wouldn't it be, Zol?`
`16:22.00`	`Almaity`	`yeah, that one. Helps find surplus actors.`
`16:22.16`	`Almaity`	`I ended up having a few thousand too many cause I didn't know region actors don't auto-destroy >.>`
`16:22.26`	`MoonEater`	`Almaity ill look into it later keep that idea on back burnign`
`16:22.28`	`Almaity`	`Don't know why I didn't expect that`
`16:22.30`	`MoonEater`	`work on somthing us`
`16:22.32`	`Zolden`	`Jade I was told that there is a strange crash source with searching in the terms list for timer name`
`16:22.36`	`MoonEater`	`working*`
`16:23.03`	`MoonEater`	`the last 2 updates have really messed up my games`
`16:23.23`	`MoonEater`	`like all of a sudden u cant click enemey units`
`16:23.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah.`
`16:23.35`	`JademusSreg`	`shrugs.`
`16:23.42`	`MoonEater`	`or the stupid`
`16:23.44`	`MoonEater`	`simple command cards`
`16:24.38`	`mille25`	`MoonEater: you can disable all this using the trigger editor.`
`16:24.40`	`Zolden`	`jsut override waht is overridable`
`16:25.05`	`MoonEater`	`mille25, i did but i shouldnt have 2`
`16:25.11`	`mille25`	`why not?`
`16:25.12`	`Zolden`	`there is 1/2 year old thread by renee`
`16:25.15`	`mille25`	`its default now.`
`16:25.31`	`MoonEater`	`mille25, im worried about more serious breaks`
`16:25.45`	`MoonEater`	`the games are complete`
`16:25.56`	`MoonEater`	`i dont need blizzard making me go back and adjust them`
`16:25.57`	`mille25`	`didnt notice any issues with SCU-`
`16:26.10`	`MoonEater`	`and the 3 months before somone metions that its even broken`
`16:26.11`	`MoonEater`	`to me`
`16:26.18`	`MoonEater`	`for 10 min worth of fixing`
`16:26.31`	`MoonEater`	`well u remade ur interfaces`
`16:26.38`	`JademusSreg`	`I begin to understand the appeal of making tutorials.`
`16:26.58`	`Zolden`	`MoonEater complying about patches ruining maps is like complying that ocean waves destroy sand castles`
`16:27.31`	`MoonEater`	`i just want to have have to go and check the maps every time theres a patch intently for bugs is all`
`16:27.52`	`MoonEater`	`apply the patches with default off and stuff let developers turn them on in triggers or what not`
`16:28.37`	`mille25`	`in general i agree, MoonEater`
`16:28.45`	`mille25`	`however some changes simply cant be done without messing things up`
`16:28.51`	`mille25`	`most of the time this doesnt happen though.`
`16:30.12`	`mille25`	`in general im amazed by how few issues there actually are with maps... i mean we are working on scu for years now and its a really big and complex project, but i dont remember any gamebreaking problems we had, ever.`
`16:31.15`	`MoonEater`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:31.44`	`mille25`	`enemy selection was probably the most game breaking issue so far`
`16:32.00`	`mille25`	`but if you know what to do its a really simple fix.`
`16:32.27`	`MoonEater`	`very but its in the last place you think to look`
`16:33.01`	`mille25`	`but that just shows the true problem: lacking documentation`
`16:33.19`	`MoonEater`	`lack of reading`
`16:33.40`	`mille25`	`i only knew that it was possible to override a player option because actually i was the person reporting this issue on the forums and they decided to implement this function :)`
`16:33.41`	`MoonEater`	`oh ya miles`
`16:33.48`	`MoonEater`	`ive been crusing ur forums`
`16:33.50`	`MoonEater`	`as soultaker`
`16:34.03`	`MoonEater`	`u really need to put users with 30 posts into a group without captcha`
`16:34.13`	`MoonEater`	`u have to captcha just to edit`
`16:34.13`	`MoonEater`	`or`
`16:34.32`	`MoonEater`	`switch to invision cause they block the bots`
`16:34.34`	`MoonEater`	`for u`
`16:34.35`	`mille25`	`i dont even know that there are captchas at all. didnt ever see any, probably because im an admin there. thats not my scope though.`
`16:35.01`	`MoonEater`	`ya us poor users have to captcha for any posts or threads or edits`
`16:35.07`	`mille25`	`hm that sucks.`
`16:35.08`	`MoonEater`	`and its not easy captchas`
`16:35.11`	`mille25`	`will hit our website guy about this`
`16:35.21`	`MoonEater`	`and some colors is off andd such`
`16:35.39`	`MoonEater`	`fox board do not have my seal of approval`
`16:35.51`	`mille25`	`:(`
`16:36.32`	`MoonEater`	`me personaly if i wanted my own forum on my server i would go with SFM`
`16:36.38`	`MoonEater`	`or SMF`
`16:37.02`	`MoonEater`	`host with a bot honeypot`
`16:37.03`	`mille25`	`well i dont know anything about this, so im the wrong guy to talk to.`
`16:37.06`	`MoonEater`	`i knjow`
`16:37.09`	`MoonEater`	`just ranting`
`16:37.11`	`MoonEater`	`like jade does`
`16:37.12`	`mille25`	`ok.`
`16:37.13`	`MoonEater`	`bwhahah`
`16:37.20`	`MoonEater`	`im abit lonly...`
`16:37.22`	`MoonEater`	`:(`
`16:37.25`	`mille25`	`:c`
`16:37.42`	`mille25`	`want a hug? :)`
`16:37.47`	`A1win`	`RIP burn notice`
`16:37.55`	`A1win`	`good series o:`
`16:38.00`	`MoonEater`	`hugs mille25!`
`16:38.16`	`MoonEater`	`bleh i didnt like it first couple episodes were good`
`16:38.29`	`MoonEater`	`lost interest after 10 episodes`
`16:38.57`	`A1win`	`it kept getting better all the time, except when they decided to add to the main cast but that settled down alright too ;p`
`16:38.59`	`MoonEater`	`we need to do a mechina series`
`16:39.02`	`MoonEater`	`for sc2`
`16:39.08`	`MoonEater`	`there r no good mechinas`
`16:39.09`	`Almaity`	`K, I have no idea how ocean tides work, but Im pretty sure they switch more often than every 12 hours, right?`
`16:39.34`	`MoonEater`	`not exactly`
`16:39.39`	`MoonEater`	`the moon controls the tide`
`16:39.40`	`JademusSreg`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tides`
`16:39.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Tada`
`16:39.44`	`MoonEater`	`which is about 2x a day`
`16:39.45`	`JademusSreg`	`brb`
`16:39.49`	`MoonEater`	`but its not exactly 12 hours`
`16:40.01`	`Almaity`	`ok`
`16:40.13`	`MoonEater`	`if ur making this for a map`
`16:40.31`	`Zolden`	`what material you guys think this white spot made of? http://i.snag.gy/EjUov.jpg`
`16:40.33`	`MoonEater`	`i would add a predicable adjustment to tides every round of like 2 hours`
`16:40.53`	`A1win`	`Zolden, some kind of sticky foam`
`16:40.58`	`Almaity`	`gonna make it every 12 in game hours, so twice a day`
`16:40.59`	`MoonEater`	`Zolden, concreate testure`
`16:41.02`	`A1win`	`or wet concrete`
`16:41.03`	`MoonEater`	`add gloss`
`16:41.14`	`MoonEater`	`not gloss`
`16:41.18`	`MoonEater`	`mirror`
`16:41.23`	`MoonEater`	`blue tint`
`16:41.26`	`Zolden`	`no ice/snow associations?`
`16:41.31`	`A1win`	`not really`
`16:41.35`	`MoonEater`	`not for me`
`16:41.43`	`Zolden`	`ok, ty`
`16:41.52`	`A1win`	`it's blueish green`
`16:42.06`	`A1win`	`and too shiny`
`16:42.14`	`MoonEater`	`we still need to do MACHINA!!!`
`16:42.33`	`Almaity`	`ok... What's the trigger action for changing water height?`
`16:42.55`	`Almaity`	`"Set Water State"? (Doesn't mention height...)`
`16:43.09`	`MoonEater`	`its enviroment`
`16:43.15`	`MoonEater`	`u make 2 waters`
`16:43.21`	`MoonEater`	`1 at one hieght`
`16:43.24`	`MoonEater`	`and one at another`
`16:43.32`	`MoonEater`	`then change between the 2 over a time scale`
`16:43.59`	`MoonEater`	`look at campaign on red stone when they harvest the special gold minerals`
`16:44.18`	`MoonEater`	`the lava rises and falls`
`16:44.40`	`Almaity`	`Is it possible to do for just 1 water type, or will it affect all?`
`16:45.03`	`MoonEater`	`not sure`
`16:45.15`	`MoonEater`	`yes i think`
`16:45.29`	`zenx`	`aww`
`16:45.33`	`MoonEater`	`add more water states`
`16:45.33`	`zenx`	`he finalyl gave up`
`16:45.42`	`MoonEater`	`zenx who?`
`16:45.50`	`Almaity`	`ah, I see`
`16:45.52`	`zenx`	`I prefer not to mention his name`
`16:45.53`	`Almaity`	`thanks`
`16:45.54`	`zenx`	`:D`
`16:46.03`	`MindWorX`	`JademusSreg, That SCU kickstarter brings back memories of Project Revolution. :P`
`16:46.12`	`MoonEater`	`prefers you mention the name`
`16:46.15`	`MindWorX`	`I don't know how involved you were with modding at the time?`
`16:52.38`	`zenx`	`when is mapnight? duckies`
`16:53.06`	`Zolden`	`in 8 minutes i suppose`
`16:53.15`	`Zolden`	`if anyone show up`
`16:53.16`	`zenx`	`I could map or play or sleep`
`16:53.17`	`MoonEater`	`its almost 10am here`
`16:53.20`	`zenx`	`dunnow which one`
`16:53.23`	`MoonEater`	`were is this mapnight china?`
`16:53.32`	`Almaity`	`its almost 7 PM EU`
`16:54.11`	`Zolden`	`ok, call me when there will be playing about to start`
`16:54.12`	`duckies`	`zenxu, check my timer ;/`
`16:54.35`	`duckies`	`it tells exactly when's what :D`
`16:54.37`	`zenx`	`its hidden`
`16:54.41`	`zenx`	`it should be newsed`
`16:55.15`	`duckies`	`well, it's next post after linked post in news`
`16:55.28`	`MoonEater`	`channel?`
`16:55.56`	`Zolden`	`alpha`
`16:55.57`	`Almaity`	`If you guys need something newsed, PM me (I dont check Mapster that much anymore, I tend to miss things)`
`16:56.03`	`duckies`	`but yea, I remember mods had those interesting countdown thingys`
`16:56.05`	`MoonEater`	`alpha....`
`16:56.11`	`MoonEater`	`you guys need to make a group`
`16:56.15`	`Almaity`	`we can't put the countdowns on the frontpage`
`16:56.15`	`duckies`	`almaity, can you make countdowns?`
`16:56.18`	`Almaity`	`afaik`
`16:56.19`	`duckies`	`aw`
`16:56.33`	`Almaity`	`only works int hreads and once per page`
`16:56.46`	`MoonEater`	`Almaity use a script pluging`
`16:56.47`	`Almaity`	`lemme find the code for em`
`16:56.55`	`zenx`	`http://free.timeanddate.com/countdown/i3sytp0u/n211/cf111/cm0/cu4/ct4/cs0/ca2/co1/cr0/ss0/cac000/cpc000/pc000/tc099/fn2/fs400/szw800/szh337/tatEU%20Mapnight%20in/tac000/tptTime%20since%20Event%20started%20in/tpc000/iso2013-09-13T18:00:00/bas3`
`16:57.16`	`MoonEater`	`its in 1 hour?`
`16:57.29`	`zenx`	`so it seems :/`
`16:57.34`	`Zolden`	`nice, i have time to finish an abil`
`16:58.03`	`MoonEater`	`dude u know how many alpha channels there r....`
`16:58.03`	`duckies`	`^^ indeed, have time to eat and do minor mapping too =D`
`16:58.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`16:58.37`	`Zolden`	`duckies I thought ducks can fly through time`
`16:58.49`	`MoonEater`	`Zolden, channel?`
`16:58.57`	`Zolden`	`fox news`
`16:59.32`	`zenx`	`arent we all glad breaker: new waves is back from break`
`16:59.35`	`zenx`	`greatooo`
`16:59.45`	`MoonEater`	`wlell`
`16:59.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Mindy, seems like a lifetime ago; wasn't that the grand hacking of the wc3 client to add support for more features? =D`
`16:59.50`	`MoonEater`	`i gues sim not doing mapnight?`
`16:59.53`	`MoonEater`	`cant find the meet`
`17:00.20`	`MindWorX`	`JademusSreg, It was a mod to make Warcraft III into a 3D version of Starcraft I`
`17:00.24`	`MindWorX`	`They had a fundraiser too.`
`17:00.28`	`Zolden`	`MoonEater just install an invisible gps transmitter to duckies wing`
`17:00.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh -that- project.`
`17:00.38`	`MindWorX`	`After a bit of time though, one of the members, Whitehorn, ran with all the money.`
`17:01.19`	`MoonEater`	`mooneater is now migrating in V formation`
`17:01.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes, I remember it as one of those things before I was more active.`
`17:02.39`	`Almaity`	`ok, I tried the countdown thing, and there's an issue...`
`17:02.57`	`Almaity`	`It pulls a script from molsterrs site, I have no way of editing it, so it says Sc2streamster and has a link to the stream :/`
`17:03.59`	`duckies`	`aaw, what a shame`
`17:04.16`	`Almaity`	`Can still add it though. If someone sees Goa online on SC2, ask him if its alright if I hijack his post`
`17:04.26`	`duckies`	`well`
`17:04.35`	`duckies`	`you could ask G0A here =D`
`17:04.42`	`Almaity`	`orite, he's here`
`17:04.46`	`Almaity`	`G0A, I summon thee`
`17:05.31`	`duckies`	`hm, but we would need 2 timers for 2 mapnights anyway D:`
`17:05.45`	`duckies`	`damnit, we need to switch sites ;\|`
`17:05.56`	`Almaity`	`Not possible unfortunately, script kills itself or something :(`
`17:06.08`	`Almaity`	`Molsterr made all this and just left us a small tutorial`
`17:06.12`	`duckies`	`that suicidal emo peice of code:<`
`17:06.14`	`JademusSreg`	`The community is like Midgar of Final Fantasy 7. I don't much care for the game, but the reference seems apt. Who'd like to be the flower girl?`
`17:06.48`	`MoonEater`	`JademusSreg whats the best way u think to do a random median?`
`17:07.08`	`MoonEater`	`i want a random number that sticks mostly to the middle of the random range`
`17:07.13`	`MoonEater`	`but can go out there`
`17:07.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Easy. Probability and statistics.`
`17:08.05`	`A1win`	`(rand+rand)/2`
`17:08.14`	`MoonEater`	`hm...`
`17:08.20`	`JademusSreg`	`I jest; employed in what?`
`17:08.29`	`MoonEater`	`thats adverage`
`17:08.32`	`MoonEater`	`i want medium`
`17:08.51`	`MoonEater`	`well i have a bar where u can buy mercinaries`
`17:08.54`	`Zolden`	`will force affect stunned unit?`
`17:09.00`	`MoonEater`	`i want good deals and bad deals at random`
`17:09.03`	`MoonEater`	`and ok deals`
`17:09.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Zol, force effect is shitty.`
`17:09.21`	`MoonEater`	`type of unit with buffs and attributes adjust the factors in the cost`
`17:09.37`	`MoonEater`	`but i want the cost to stick closer to a medium and rarely go out to the extremes`
`17:09.38`	`JademusSreg`	`If you want to move units, use launch missile effect.`
`17:10.02`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg my aim is to turn unit into incontrollably sliding (on ice) confused unit. Any ideas what would replace force?`
`17:10.22`	`Zolden`	`good ide`
`17:10.23`	`Zolden`	`a`
`17:10.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Neato.`
`17:10.44`	`Zolden`	`ok, i'll do missile than, should work`
`17:11.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Missile movers are quite flexible, if you know how to use them.`
`17:11.51`	`Zolden`	`something simple will work here`
`17:12.14`	`zenx`	`why the fuck is mapnight hour from now on btw`
`17:12.17`	`zenx`	`so lateeee`
`17:12.41`	`Almaity`	`should be now, shouldn`
`17:12.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Zol, wanna sketch a little doodle to convey the idea?`
`17:12.45`	`Almaity`	`shouldn't it?`
`17:12.59`	`zenx`	`aye`
`17:13.15`	`Almaity`	`it says 6 PM GMT, which is now`
`17:13.16`	`zenx`	`dictator duckies wants it at hour later!`
`17:13.22`	`zenx`	`and what he says is command`
`17:13.24`	`Almaity`	`Daylight Saving Times might be iffy though`
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`17:15.05`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg you mean give more details? snow queen costs a persistent, that creates a round ice area, and all enemy units within this area start to slide being unable to move in their desirable directions. Not sure how should they move to imitate that they are sliding on ice`
`17:15.05`	`MoonEater\|mobile`	`Almight what is our concept?`
`17:15.10`	`taijhuijhoagt`	`if it will happen will be hour late for map night`
`17:15.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah, easy.`
`17:15.43`	`MoonEater\|mobile`	`Zolden. Make it so they can't change direction`
`17:15.56`	`Almaity`	`Anyone online in SC2 and able to talk to Goa? He isn't answering here :/`
`17:15.59`	`Zolden`	`MoonEater maybe`
`17:16.08`	`Zolden`	`i'll try random directions first`
`17:16.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Launch them in the direction they are facing, have missile mover wiggle them around.`
`17:17.03`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg ok, ty`
`17:17.32`	`MoonEater`	`Jade, how do i enforce fog of war with dialogs?`
`17:17.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Moon, ???`
`17:18.06`	`MoonEater`	`better yet`
`17:18.30`	`MoonEater`	`how do i implement a good funtion that returns a random number that is usualy close to a median`
`17:18.51`	`A1win`	`I just gave you one ;p`
`17:19.34`	`MoonEater`	`scrolls up`
`17:19.42`	`MoonEater`	`thats adverage`
`17:19.45`	`MoonEater`	`i think`
`17:19.59`	`A1win`	`err...`
`17:20.43`	`A1win`	`average is (min+max)/2`
`17:20.58`	`A1win`	`or not`
`17:21.06`	`A1win`	`yeah`
`17:21.12`	`MoonEater`	`E/i is adverage`
`17:21.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Moon, do this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median#Medians_of_probability_distributions`
`17:21.17`	`MoonEater`	`e= sumations`
`17:21.40`	`MoonEater`	`Jade u want me to start doing intigrations now?`
`17:22.34`	`A1win`	`anyway with (rand+rand)/2 you get the average value more often than the min or the max values`
`17:22.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Look, either you're defining a distribution or you're describing one.`
`17:22.43`	`A1win`	`and even more often with (rand+rand+rand)/3 etc`
`17:23.04`	`MoonEater`	`well i can see why`
`17:23.11`	`MoonEater`	`lets see how it works`
`17:23.30`	`JademusSreg`	`And the request for a value corresponding to the median means you need to define a distribution.`
`17:24.19`	`JademusSreg`	`As opposed to describing the median of a distribution observed for a defined set.`
`17:29.27`	`Almaity`	`has anyone been able to get WoW Model Viewer to work with mists of pandaria?`
`17:30.39`	`*** part/#sc2mapster G0A (~hookah604@91.82.240.58.pool.invitel.hu)`
`17:31.08`	`Bommes`	`There is even a web based 3d modelviewer for WoW on MMO-Champion, WoWHead and similar websites, and I think it works with MoP`
`17:31.09`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Obscene (184a8609@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.74.134.9)`
`17:31.22`	`Bommes`	`so I'd think there is some kind of Model Viewer that works for MoP, I don't know any specifics though`
`17:31.27`	`Almaity`	`I don't think they export .m3s though, right?`
`17:31.28`	`Obscene`	`Good afternoon everyone`
`17:31.32`	`Almaity`	`Hello`
`17:31.33`	`Obscene`	`or if your lazy like me, good morning`
`17:31.37`	`Bommes`	`They might not, no idea`
`17:31.52`	`Bommes`	`haven't directly used a model viewer for WoW yet`
`17:32.09`	`JademusSreg`	`brb`
`17:33.09`	`Obscene`	`No WoW exports .m2 I think`
`17:33.17`	`Obscene`	`Zolden you know dont you?`
`17:33.42`	`Almaity`	`Old WMV did .m3s, that's where I got all my models from, but they didn't update WMV for MoP`
`17:33.52`	`Almaity`	`and it won't load any models`
`17:33.54`	`Obscene`	`ahhhj`
`17:34.08`	`Almaity`	`and there's so fucking many models I want from pandaria`
`17:34.13`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`17:34.25`	`Obscene`	`Ah I have no clue then`
`17:34.27`	`Almaity`	`Spent 5 minutes in the starting zone and almost everything I looked at made me think "OMG THAT'D BE AN AWESOME STARMON!"`
`17:34.40`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`17:35.08`	`Obscene`	`Vail, what you doing?`
`17:35.46`	`Vail`	`nothing much, running a physics simulation bake in a 3d authoruing program`
`17:36.05`	`Obscene`	`ah ok`
`17:36.19`	`Vail`	`whats up?`
`17:37.10`	`Obscene`	`Hey when you get the time, can you make a high res video demonstraiting the Hero select(Hero select screen run through atleast 5-6 heroes, and the Vote buttons) and the UI stuff(leaderboard, mass unit mover, race selection and evolution bar)`
`17:37.16`	`Obscene`	`not in any rush or anything`
`17:37.36`	`Vail`	`i will see what i can do`
`17:37.42`	`Obscene`	`kk thanks :)`
`17:43.33`	`Obscene`	`Cant run over hookers for 3 more days....`
`17:43.56`	`zenx`	`you cant run from heaven`
`17:44.34`	`zenx`	`sad story`
`17:44.39`	`zenx`	`last time`
`17:44.48`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`17:44.53`	`zenx`	`I played photon cycles I was winning like 13-0 with 15 rounds`
`17:44.55`	`zenx`	`still lost`
`17:44.57`	`zenx`	`:(`
`17:45.07`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`17:45.43`	`Obscene`	`Photon Cycles is lame, I told jademus 2 years ago.... photon PLANES is where its at... but NOOOOOO`
`17:45.55`	`zenx`	`someone ban this guy`
`17:45.59`	`zenx`	`insulting the best map on bnet`
`17:46.05`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`17:46.22`	`zenx`	`its top 10 map atleast no lies`
`17:46.24`	`zenx`	`maybe even top5`
`17:47.14`	`Obscene`	`The Top 1 map is Evo-Frenzy.... just blizzards pop system discriminates and doesnt show it!`
`17:47.15`	`Obscene`	`:P`
`17:48.32`	`zenx`	`I probly wont play mapnight`
`17:48.34`	`zenx`	`its too late`
`17:48.41`	`zenx`	`Im already at bnet playing photon cycles`
`17:49.18`	`Obscene`	`Map night is now I thought`
`17:49.19`	`Obscene`	`:P`
`17:50.11`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg it worked, just one thing: any ideas of how to make slow missiles shuffle a bit? I copied that banshee missile field, but it didn't add any`
`17:50.45`	`Zolden`	`any wiggle`
`17:52.32`	`Almaity`	`try the motion overlays`
`17:53.01`	`Almaity`	`I think type "wave" should work I think`
`17:53.14`	`Zolden`	`with waht other parameters?`
`17:53.27`	`Zolden`	`like wave length and range`
`17:53.33`	`Zolden`	`or what it requires`
`17:53.44`	`Zolden`	`it's a very slow missile, like speed = 1`
`17:53.45`	`Almaity`	`try -1 Y in axis`
`17:53.57`	`Almaity`	`less actually, like -0.1`
`17:54.03`	`Almaity`	`or -0.2`
`17:54.14`	`Almaity`	`wavelength should be pretty short then`
`17:54.19`	`Almaity`	`depending on how much you want it to wiggle`
`17:55.20`	`Almaity`	`I hope this works, everytime I use movers I forget absolutely everything about them as soon as I close the editor >.>`
`17:59.13`	`Zolden`	`tried, no reaction, look straight`
`17:59.26`	`Almaity`	`try orbit, and bigger values for axis`
`18:01.08`	`Almaity`	`actually, do X in axis`
`18:01.38`	`*** join/#sc2mapster mille25 (54871f5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.135.31.95)`
`18:01.53`	`Almaity`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/4855-data-customized-movers-advanced-difficulty/`
`18:01.57`	`Almaity`	`go down to Zig-zag`
`18:04.23`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Triceron (1854e5d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.84.229.210)`
`18:04.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha, fun doom, zenx.`
`18:05.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Zol, Alm speaks true; Prozaic authors the best tutorials.`
`18:05.21`	`JademusSreg`	`(And I usually say all tutorials are shit.)`
`18:07.03`	`Zolden`	`yea, i'm trying to make it work based on what prozaic said`
`18:07.17`	`Zolden`	`Triceron hey`
`18:07.35`	`Triceron`	`Ahoy`
`18:07.43`	`Triceron`	`hey nice work you did yesterday`
`18:08.09`	`Triceron`	`I really like the gold, and the frenel ont eh crystal`
`18:09.57`	`Obscene`	`Whats with all the hatred`
`18:10.39`	`Triceron`	`?`
`18:11.22`	`Zolden`	`Triceron specular could be colored in golden too, but only instead of having emissive on his blue "boobs"`
`18:11.23`	`JademusSreg`	`???`
`18:11.30`	`Zolden`	`?????`
`18:11.43`	`Triceron`	`????????`
`18:11.50`	`Almaity`	`?????????????`
`18:12.03`	`Zolden`	`omg, it's growing! Obscene what have you done!`
`18:12.13`	`taijhuijhoagt`	`!`
`18:12.20`	`Almaity`	`!!!`
`18:12.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah. brb`
`18:12.37`	`Zolden`	`taijhuijhoagt tried king crimson?`
`18:12.47`	`taijhuijhoagt`	`no.`
`18:12.50`	`Triceron`	`oh you got rid of the emissive?`
`18:12.59`	`Triceron`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:13.41`	`Zolden`	`Triceron I saved it on the blue "boobs" as it was. THe crystal is fince since you created a second material for it`
`18:14.43`	`Zolden`	`but maybe something was fucked, beacuse of that emissive/alpha share`
`18:15.07`	`Triceron`	`ahh`
`18:16.02`	`Zolden`	`it can be fixed if the "emissive" parts of the texture be realy close to white, and alpha threshold is near white too... i guess`
`18:16.10`	`Zolden`	`but i was lazy to experiment`
`18:18.19`	`Triceron`	`no worries`
`18:18.32`	`Triceron`	`you upped the specular multiplier too right?`
`18:18.54`	`Zolden`	`yea, for that specular part of the composite material`
`18:19.36`	`Zolden`	`btw, you may notice that that "inverted fresnel" added a little silky effect to his non-metallic clothes parts`
`18:19.56`	`Obscene`	`Cookin chicken thats what I done did`
`18:20.03`	`Obscene`	`And russians dont get any....`
`18:20.05`	`Zolden`	`it look good when normal map is detailed like yours`
`18:20.06`	`Obscene`	`all you get is potato`
`18:20.39`	`Zolden`	`and turnip`
`18:21.10`	`Triceron`	`how you cookin it?`
`18:21.30`	`Almaity`	`I'd guess by applying heat`
`18:21.52`	`Obscene`	`Stove top`
`18:21.59`	`Triceron`	`Ah`
`18:22.01`	`Obscene`	`With beer, parsely, and a few other things`
`18:22.06`	`Obscene`	`its gunna be gooid`
`18:22.14`	`Triceron`	`make sure you don't accidentally sear it`
`18:22.18`	`Zolden`	`Triceron the only thing I'd like you to try is: use single-channel specular map as _alpha_ and use color as specualr map. Than a black-white specular channel will make the model have colorful specularity`
`18:22.22`	`Triceron`	`or else you'd be searing chicken`
`18:22.25`	`Obscene`	`I like searing it, it seals in the juices`
`18:22.27`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`18:23.18`	`Zolden`	`stop it, this makes me want food, and I planned to mapnigh`
`18:23.32`	`Triceron`	`i haven't even had breakfast yet :S`
`18:23.41`	`Triceron`	`just had a piece of dark chocolate to tide me over`
`18:24.31`	`Triceron`	`Zolden so did you use a 3rd map for color spec?`
`18:27.47`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Bibendus (Bibendus@ip-80-249-36-63.static.adsl.cheapnet.it)`
`18:28.14`	`Zolden`	`I haven't, don't remember why, was late i guess`
`18:29.08`	`Zolden`	`Triceron actually, the thing why it is not looking as badass as the allstars example you linked, because of the shape of normal map and the quality of the specular map`
`18:30.03`	`Zolden`	`I could try again with ndo-generated spec map`
`18:30.47`	`Zolden`	`oh, and it's better to use 1024 for such tiny details`
`18:30.53`	`Zolden`	`*thin`
`18:31.22`	`JademusSreg`	`http://i.imgur.com/66aGp2w.gif`
`18:31.40`	`Zolden`	`was also about to try to generate some ao/diffuse with ndo and mix with your diffuse to see if it prettify it`
`18:32.55`	`taijhuijhoagt`	`4464545645645645`
`18:45.19`	`Obscene`	`2 chicken sandwiches, and a cranberry juice so I can take a good poop.,... good meal`
`18:46.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Got it: Take-out good poop is a good meal.`
`18:46.55`	`MoonEater`	`jade`
`18:47.00`	`MoonEater`	`when a unit is paused`
`18:47.05`	`MoonEater`	`what happens?`
`18:47.08`	`MoonEater`	`no fidget?`
`18:47.23`	`JademusSreg`	`It stops doing stuff, stuff can still be done to it.`
`18:47.51`	`MoonEater`	`so i can issue it an move ordeR?`
`18:48.00`	`MoonEater`	`will it move?`
`18:48.01`	`Obscene`	`Exactly jademus`
`18:48.03`	`Zolden`	`can I badly reduce turning rate with a buff?`
`18:48.05`	`Obscene`	`remember this when your old`
`18:48.57`	`taijhuijhoagt`	`http://josefwiggy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/20120124-092245.jpg`
`18:49.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Hm.`
`18:50.07`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Ready for 5 oclockkk`
`18:50.13`	`Triceron`	`... disturbing`
`18:50.49`	`Almaity`	`Jade, how's Jayne going?`
`18:52.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Taking a break, atm. Trying not to avoid excessive pink or so much decoration itbecomes too busy visually.`
`18:52.44`	`JademusSreg`	`*Trying to avoid`
`18:52.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah`
`18:52.54`	`Almaity`	`lol`
`18:55.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Zol, Line-Movement.`
`18:55.58`	`JademusSreg`	`brb++`
`18:56.35`	`duckies`	`zolden, still not home?`
`18:56.48`	`Obscene`	`Question`
`18:56.57`	`Obscene`	`Does the enUS locale work on EU servers?`
`18:57.24`	`duckies`	`if it's the only locale`
`18:57.24`	`Almaity`	`If there is only one single locale in the map, it works for everyone`
`18:57.31`	`Obscene`	`k thanks`
`18:58.15`	`Obscene`	`Its stupid I have to re-upload to my own region lol`
`18:58.36`	`Obscene`	`The mod is 50 Mbs`
`18:58.37`	`Obscene`	`hahah`
`18:58.59`	`Obscene`	`And I only get 200 Kb/s when uploading anything`
`19:01.23`	`Obscene`	`MONEY!!!`
`19:02.17`	`Obscene`	`MONEY!!!! ITS A GAS!!`
`19:02.59`	`Triceron`	`i glanced and misread that as 're-upload my own religion'`
`19:03.22`	`Zolden`	`duckies I'M HOME AND WILL JOIN IN 20 MINUTES`
`19:03.26`	`Zolden`	`omg, that was caps`
`19:03.30`	`Zolden`	`it's not a myth`
`19:03.50`	`Triceron`	`so strange to see you so angry, Zolden`
`19:04.05`	`Almaity`	`Zolden, ask Goa for me whether Im allowed to edit his post for a timer`
`19:04.43`	`duckies`	`goa isn't here`
`19:04.51`	`Almaity`	`k :/`
`19:04.53`	`duckies`	`he's out on friday nights :/`
`19:05.03`	`Almaity`	`well`
`19:05.05`	`Almaity`	`Ill just edit it`
`19:05.10`	`Triceron`	`you guys know each other RL?`
`19:05.11`	`Almaity`	`he can un-edit it if he wants to`
`19:09.11`	`MoonEater`	`Triceron, ya we do`
`19:09.19`	`MoonEater`	`we play xbox every day at noon`
`19:09.23`	`MoonEater`	`its awsome`
`19:09.28`	`MoonEater`	`u should come join us`
`19:11.22`	`MoonEater`	`XD`
`19:17.28`	`Triceron`	`don't have gold`
`19:19.05`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Repo (~repo@76.164.170.2)`
`19:22.40`	`Obscene`	`I hate uploading to different regions...`
`19:22.45`	`Obscene`	`they are a pain in the ass`
`19:22.54`	`Obscene`	`and why does Korea and Taiwan always fail at uploading :P`
`19:23.22`	`Obscene`	`Almighty, your timer is wrong also`
`19:23.22`	`Obscene`	`:P`
`19:23.46`	`Obscene`	`The timer is for 1 PM EST, Mapnight for EU is 3 PM EST`
`19:23.46`	`Obscene`	`:P`
`19:24.00`	`Almaity`	`I set it for 6 PM GMT`
`19:24.52`	`Almaity`	`cuz thats what the post says`
`19:25.01`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`19:25.11`	`Obscene`	`I think G0A did the conversion wrong.`
`19:25.33`	`Almaity`	`He's european, he had nothing to convert for the EU time`
`19:25.45`	`Obscene`	`ahhh`
`19:26.16`	`Zolden`	`why is mapster channel on eu empty?`
`19:26.21`	`Zolden`	`isn't it mapnight?`
`19:26.30`	`Zolden`	`duckies where are you?`
`19:26.34`	`A1win`	`tried the group?`
`19:26.35`	`Obscene`	`Mapnight is a group zolden`
`19:26.40`	`Zolden`	`ok`
`19:26.41`	`Obscene`	`starcraft://group/2/130284`
`19:26.45`	`Obscene`	`there`
`19:27.02`	`Obscene`	`Copy/paste that into starcraft`
`19:27.36`	`Obscene`	`There Evo-Frenzy, uploaded to SEA under the name "MERICA"`
`19:27.37`	`Obscene`	`:P`
`19:27.45`	`Zolden`	`Obscene join us Ob`
`19:27.50`	`Obscene`	`I am gimme a sec`
`19:33.59`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Obscene (184a8609@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.74.134.9)`
`19:34.01`	`Obscene`	`Zolden`
`19:34.03`	`Obscene`	`...`
`19:34.08`	`Obscene`	`HIT ACCEPT DAMMIT`
`19:34.12`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`19:39.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Zoop.`
`19:40.48`	`mille25`	`=D`
`19:41.24`	`Obscene`	`...`
`19:41.26`	`Obscene`	`Almairty...`
`19:41.33`	`Almaity`	`?`
`19:41.34`	`Obscene`	`:(`
`19:41.47`	`Obscene`	`enUS does NOT work on EU`
`19:41.48`	`Obscene`	`...`
`19:41.49`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`19:41.57`	`Almaity`	`Then its not the only locale in your map`
`19:42.01`	`Obscene`	`It is the only one`
`19:42.06`	`mille25`	`Obscene: it does work.`
`19:42.07`	`Almaity`	`Then it would work`
`19:42.09`	`Obscene`	`All my dialog items failed, everything broke....`
`19:42.12`	`Obscene`	`:P`
`19:42.23`	`Obscene`	`Full house of people haha`
`19:42.43`	`Obscene`	`Maybe there is another one hidden that the editor isnt showing`
`19:42.50`	`Obscene`	`Ill check the companats list`
`19:42.52`	`mille25`	`thats possible.`
`19:43.03`	`mille25`	`however be careful`
`19:43.08`	`mille25`	`even if you edit the mpq directly`
`19:43.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Map > Locale > the first option`
`19:43.20`	`mille25`	`if you forget to uncheck the locales in the editor, it will always recreate them`
`19:43.31`	`MoonEater`	`well thats odd`
`19:43.45`	`MoonEater`	`i create a unit and it doesnt appear`
`19:43.47`	`Obscene`	`Theres only one box checked in Locales :P`
`19:43.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Read tooltip.`
`19:44.52`	`MoonEater`	`Jade, can lighting conflict?`
`19:45.14`	`Obscene`	`all my text is gone....`
`19:45.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Depends on the lighting.`
`19:45.18`	`Obscene`	`all of it...`
`19:45.33`	`MoonEater`	`i have a omni light unit and a eviroment dark lighting`
`19:45.47`	`MoonEater`	`the onmi light isnt spawning`
`19:46.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Moon, Unit : Height : set it to something like 1 or 3`
`19:46.28`	`Obscene`	`I dont think it was the locale, I think it was me changing the locale to GB and then back to US`
`19:49.24`	`mille25`	`D:`
`19:49.56`	`mille25`	`JademusSreg: do you by accident know a good, easy and free bug tracker?`
`19:50.30`	`MoonEater`	`google source`
`19:50.31`	`MoonEater`	`is good`
`19:50.38`	`MoonEater`	`does change logs also`
`19:51.19`	`MoonEater`	`well not change logs but dif loggs`
`19:53.01`	`MoonEater`	`how come when the internet runs slow first person people blame is other people on the network`
`19:53.45`	`MoonEater`	`jade its still not showing`
`19:53.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Integrated with repo or project management or separate?`
`19:54.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Moon, paste all relevant data.`
`19:54.22`	`mille25`	`just need to be able to add bugs/issues/enhancements and mark them as invalid/fixed etc, no source code stuff required.`
`19:54.52`	`mille25`	`the simpler the better - will also be used by "non programmers" :)`
`19:55.15`	`MoonEater`	`h/o im doing a test, i know the unit works in curtain areas so ima make sure its still working`
`19:57.17`	`MoonEater`	`Jade`
`19:57.28`	`MoonEater`	`the unit works on the same terrain hieght elseware...`
`19:59.19`	`Triceron`	`Damn stewox, clicked on one of his conspiracy links, now Youtube keeps referring me to other consipiracy links`
`19:59.32`	`JademusSreg`	`OS limitations?`
`19:59.32`	`MoonEater`	`LOLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`19:59.41`	`MoonEater`	`me?`
`20:00.32`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Mille`
`20:00.51`	`Dustin\|Work`	`That's funny you ask, I was just in our works issue tracker making a new ticket`
`20:00.57`	`Obscene`	`lopl`
`20:00.59`	`Dustin\|Work`	`check out BugGenie`
`20:01.07`	`Obscene`	`Triceron`
`20:01.11`	`Obscene`	`you know you believe that obama is a reptillian hybrid`
`20:01.13`	`Obscene`	`:P`
`20:01.19`	`mille25`	`are there even any bugtrackers which dont require an own server?`
`20:01.25`	`Triceron`	`did you know he's black?`
`20:01.32`	`Triceron`	`I just found that out`
`20:01.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah, er.`
`20:01.38`	`Dustin\|Work`	`http://www.thebuggenie.com/`
`20:01.43`	`Obscene`	`lalw`
`20:01.49`	`Obscene`	`You should not have told me that...`
`20:01.50`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`20:01.59`	`Dustin\|Work`	`mille25, probably but Im sure they require a monthly fee`
`20:02.09`	`mille25`	`the problem is i dont have a server... :D`
`20:02.15`	`Dustin\|Work`	`You have a computer`
`20:02.17`	`mille25`	`and it would have to be always availabe`
`20:02.31`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Do you ever shut your PC down for extended periods of time?`
`20:02.39`	`mille25`	`have to, its in my bedroom >_>`
`20:02.51`	`Obscene`	`good`
`20:02.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Tight parameters.`
`20:02.59`	`mille25`	`haha`
`20:03.11`	`A1win`	`get quieter fans :P`
`20:03.12`	`Dustin\|Work`	`mille25, you might just use Github`
`20:03.14`	`Obscene`	`Most people dont shut their computers down and then wonder why they get to laggin`
`20:03.15`	`Dustin\|Work`	`and say fuck it :P`
`20:03.15`	`Obscene`	`:P`
`20:03.17`	`MoonEater`	`https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUDfYwhRgKg`
`20:03.35`	`Obscene`	`The drivers need to refresh and some only do it when the computer is shut completely down`
`20:03.40`	`mille25`	`until now we used word documents within a cloud + color codes`
`20:03.45`	`mille25`	`its actually impressive how well it works.`
`20:04.03`	`Obscene`	`BACK TO STARCRAFT, I think I fixed my problem`
`20:04.04`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`20:04.09`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Do you guys do any source control for SCU?`
`20:04.27`	`mille25`	`just a cloud, but we dont have any professional source control`
`20:04.37`	`JademusSreg`	`I'd suggest git, too, depending on your account type / need for private source.`
`20:04.53`	`Dustin\|Work`	`You might really look into Github as they have integrated issue tracking`
`20:05.05`	`Dustin\|Work`	`But you have to pay for a private repo or have it opensourced,`
`20:05.18`	`Dustin\|Work`	`There's also Bitbucket which is free private, but I dont know if it has any issue tracking`
`20:05.31`	`mille25`	`the main problem is that those professional programs often cause more issues than they resolve if used by non-programmers.`
`20:05.57`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Just write down a very structured step by step guide`
`20:05.58`	`mille25`	`it works well like it is and we will most likely not switch to code control.`
`20:06.11`	`mille25`	`but a bug tracker would be nice.`
`20:06.29`	`mille25`	`i really dont feel like dealing with conflics every day.`
`20:06.40`	`JademusSreg`	`In that case, I'd say use a google sync-based spreadsheetr.`
`20:06.49`	`JademusSreg`	`shrugs.`
`20:07.05`	`MoonEater`	`did we lose stewox`
`20:07.06`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Yeah if you don't care about scaleability and don't want anything to professional that might be your best bet`
`20:07.07`	`MoonEater`	`u guys trolled him out of irc`
`20:07.16`	`mille25`	`we really just need a structured, organized issue tracker.`
`20:07.41`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Check out BugGenie then, its small enough that you can run the server on one of your teams box's that is up the most`
`20:07.49`	`Dustin\|Work`	`And it's free and open sourced`
`20:08.02`	`mille25`	`aright, thanks for your help guys. will look into it deeper tomorrow`
`20:08.27`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Also, you guys have a website`
`20:08.36`	`Dustin\|Work`	`You should be able to run it off there`
`20:08.54`	`JademusSreg`	`I prefer repo+issue tracking, personally.`
`20:09.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Dustin, I've not used buggenie; what's the backend use?`
`20:09.21`	`mille25`	`it plays nicely together, yes. we do that at work too, like, you can see which source change is connected to every issue.`
`20:09.36`	`mille25`	`but we really dont need to go this far with scu.`
`20:09.57`	`Dustin\|Work`	`PHP I'm pretty sure`
`20:09.59`	`mille25`	`mainly because it pretty much the only person programming engine`
`20:10.17`	`mille25`	`*i'm`
`20:10.38`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Yeah, we have ours integrated with some custoom GIT hooks, so it attaches commits to issue's and you can check code against that`
`20:10.48`	`mille25`	`yep`
`20:10.52`	`Dustin\|Work`	`It's pretty niffty, but might be overkill for you`
`20:11.00`	`mille25`	`yep :D`
`20:12.05`	`JademusSreg`	`If you ever change your mind on the repo+ SC2Components works quite well/`
`20:12.40`	`mille25`	`im just afraid that everything will fuckup frequently.`
`20:12.48`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`20:12.49`	`mille25`	`and i kinda feel like i will be right`
`20:12.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`20:12.56`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`20:13.02`	`Obscene`	`Mille25 just do what you do`
`20:13.04`	`Obscene`	`:P`
`20:13.06`	`mille25`	`:D`
`20:13.30`	`mille25`	`but im glad that at least we have some sort of version tracking`
`20:13.36`	`mille25`	`just recently we got a random data corruption`
`20:14.00`	`mille25`	`it was really weird... while i was programming the game data reverted step by step to previous versions`
`20:14.06`	`mille25`	`suddenly the skybox went smaller etc`
`20:14.33`	`mille25`	`and then suddenly the fog was back to default setting`
`20:14.36`	`mille25`	`for no reason`
`20:14.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Replace RAM immediately.`
`20:14.52`	`mille25`	`:D`
`20:15.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Take old RAM, build a cute doll house.`
`20:15.00`	`mille25`	`ill order a new computer soon.`
`20:15.03`	`mille25`	`the editor is slow as fuck`
`20:15.32`	`mille25`	`also i have to close browser tabs to have enough ram to test the game out of the editor`
`20:15.42`	`*** join/#sc2mapster MoonEater (6c586101@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.88.97.1)`
`20:15.43`	`mille25`	`(i have 6GB..)`
`20:15.51`	`Almaity`	`I've got 4 :(`
`20:15.56`	`Almaity`	`my music player keeps crashing :(`
`20:16.02`	`mille25`	`4 simply wouldnt work for me`
`20:16.08`	`mille25`	`i couldnt even load the editor probably lol`
`20:16.12`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm just assuming that the apparent reversion was a symptom of the links in memory being gobbled.`
`20:16.15`	`Almaity`	`editor works`
`20:16.24`	`Almaity`	`editor + game works, kinda, everything other than that goes to hell`
`20:16.34`	`Obscene`	`Ive got 3`
`20:16.36`	`JademusSreg`	`But an input error could just as well explain it, however weird, haha.`
`20:16.36`	`Obscene`	`:P`
`20:16.41`	`MoonEater`	`i use dropbox`
`20:16.44`	`mille25`	`JademusSreg: even that seems impossible, since the data changes were already made and saved before i even opened the map, and then started reverting to a version which i never had opened in that session.`
`20:16.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, 16 GB.`
`20:17.02`	`mille25`	`ill get 16GB, too.`
`20:17.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah, that's bad.`
`20:17.10`	`mille25`	`sadly ram got pretty expensive recently :/`
`20:17.10`	`MoonEater`	`16gb cloud storage?`
`20:17.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`20:17.18`	`Obscene`	`no...`
`20:17.20`	`MoonEater`	`naw`
`20:17.21`	`Obscene`	`32gb cloud`
`20:17.33`	`MoonEater`	`only the really expensive high frequency ram is`
`20:17.42`	`Obscene`	`yeah`
`20:17.43`	`MoonEater`	`u can get pretty high and stay very cheep`
`20:17.56`	`MoonEater`	`like 10$ a gig`
`20:18.08`	`mille25`	`ill go for 1600mhz, since thats the max supported by current intel processors and more ram speed doesnt result in much of a performance gain, according to tests.`
`20:18.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Always have the resources to run a small server, it comes in handy.`
`20:18.33`	`MoonEater`	`well sandbridge supports 128bits, are you running 128 bits?`
`20:19.01`	`mille25`	`what are you even talking about? :D`
`20:19.01`	`MoonEater`	`all the new intells r sandybridges`
`20:19.08`	`mille25`	`nope`
`20:19.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Moon bit a sandy bridge.`
`20:19.21`	`mille25`	`sandybridge -> ivybridge -> haswell (now)`
`20:19.28`	`MoonEater`	`what ever message convayed`
`20:19.34`	`MoonEater`	`yes`
`20:19.47`	`MoonEater`	`but`
`20:20.05`	`MoonEater`	`ivy and haswell r more modern versions`
`20:20.14`	`MoonEater`	`and upgrades of sandybridge`
`20:20.24`	`MoonEater`	`alot of sandy bridge is still there`
`20:20.30`	`mille25`	`thats not correct. ivy bridge was a shrink of sandy bridge, haswell is a new architecture, its shrink will be called broadwell.`
`20:20.32`	`MoonEater`	`and still ment for 128 bits of date`
`20:20.34`	`MoonEater`	`data*`
`20:20.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Dezoop.`
`20:21.16`	`mille25`	`im just sad that amd is pretty much out of the game recently :/`
`20:21.24`	`mille25`	`no real alternatives to intel i7`
`20:21.31`	`MoonEater`	`ur kidding right?`
`20:21.36`	`MoonEater`	`compare prices and performance`
`20:21.46`	`MoonEater`	`intell has no true 8 cores`
`20:21.53`	`JademusSreg`	`If it's any consolation, mille, everything is doomed.`
`20:21.57`	`MoonEater`	`running 64 bit at 3ghz`
`20:22.06`	`MoonEater`	`they have like 3 6 cores`
`20:22.12`	`MoonEater`	`running almost 3ghz`
`20:22.17`	`MoonEater`	`at 64 bit`
`20:22.27`	`MoonEater`	`do u guys ever shop around?`
`20:22.35`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I just bought my brother a new 8core amd`
`20:22.39`	`Dustin\|Work`	`It's pretty fucking slick`
`20:22.47`	`MoonEater`	`^`
`20:22.51`	`Obscene`	`There zolden my map is fixed on EU...`
`20:22.55`	`Obscene`	`but mapnight is over haha`
`20:23.24`	`JademusSreg`	`uses a dual Serpinski-tricore.`
`20:23.31`	`mille25`	`MoonEater: cores & ghz do not equal performance.`
`20:23.42`	`mille25`	`intel i7 smokes all amd processors`
`20:24.00`	`mille25`	`not only in performance, but also energy efficiency.`
`20:24.04`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I don't know, I have an Opteron`
`20:24.31`	`A1win`	`I just got myself Intel i7-4770K a couple of months ago`
`20:24.35`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Let me see exactly what Im running on my box`
`20:24.40`	`mille25`	`yep, aiming for that aswell, A1win`
`20:24.40`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I have a Server grade board/proc`
`20:24.41`	`mille25`	`:)`
`20:24.50`	`MoonEater`	`brb 12 sec`
`20:25.34`	`A1win`	`it was pretty much the best I could get for ~350e, everything better was a lot more expensive`
`20:25.48`	`mille25`	`before i got into programming i was a real hardware freak... im pretty much the personification of nerds. :D`
`20:26.02`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Ya, Opteron family, AMD Phenom II x4 985`
`20:27.18`	`mille25`	`i got a phenom II X2 550, but unlocked it to 4 cores via bios hack`
`20:27.19`	`A1win`	`here's an example http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html`
`20:27.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Dear mille skipped awkward, creepy sexualizing of nerd-media characters and instead gets brain-aroused by platonic-sexy circuits.`
`20:28.12`	`JademusSreg`	`highs all mille's fives.`
`20:28.25`	`Dustin\|Work`	`wow my proc is actually not as good as I thought`
`20:28.43`	`mille25`	`this is a very limited, theoretical test just testing very certain aspects though.`
`20:28.44`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Weird, I never even hit over 85% usage on it though on max settings`
`20:28.48`	`mille25`	`you ned to be very careful with those.`
`20:29.21`	`mille25`	`http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/prozessoren/2013/sechs-haswell-mit-vier-kernen/2/`
`20:29.32`	`mille25`	`this is a real test, using all modern applications, theoretical benchmarks and games`
`20:30.02`	`mille25`	`energy efficiency: http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/prozessoren/2013/sechs-haswell-mit-vier-kernen/5/`
`20:30.51`	`Dustin\|Work`	`My windows rating thing is...Proc:7.2, RAM:7.6, Graphics:7.9, HardDrive:5.9`
`20:31.07`	`mille25`	`also, single vs multithreading performance: http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/prozessoren/2013/sechs-haswell-mit-vier-kernen/12/`
`20:31.11`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Need to get an ssd in this bitch`
`20:31.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Dirty.`
`20:31.51`	`mille25`	`:D`
`20:31.59`	`mille25`	`ssd is really the best you can get`
`20:32.12`	`mille25`	`sadly it doesnt really accelerate the editor either D:`
`20:32.36`	`A1win`	`well, not anymore now that they enumerated the file lists`
`20:32.45`	`mille25`	`the problem with the editor is, that i needs an absurd amount of cpu power, however it doesnt utelize multithreading, therefore you idially need a cpu which has a very high single thread performance.`
`20:32.47`	`Dustin\|Work`	`It should help with navigating the Dataeditor since it seems the main lag there is all the reading/writing to update linkages and search databases`
`20:32.53`	`A1win`	`or whateer the right phrase is`
`20:32.56`	`A1win`	`*whatever`
`20:32.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah, blame 32 bit constant reparsing and rerendering of XML to os-native frames without graphics accelerationraaaaah.`
`20:33.25`	`mille25`	`its sort of the same for starcraft II. its very cpu heavy, but just utelizes 2 threads`
`20:33.43`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I wonder`
`20:33.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Still, not as crap as NeverwinterNights2.`
`20:34.04`	`Dustin\|Work`	`When I run the editor and test SC2, Im sure it uses the same 2 threads`
`20:34.08`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Cause my shit lags super bad`
`20:34.22`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I wish it would at least split up editor and game to use different threads if it can`
`20:34.40`	`mille25`	`ssds can help with game load times and file list loading (e.g sounds, images, data etc), but wont help with overall editor performance.`
`20:34.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Could just suspend the process, Dustin. =D`
`20:34.58`	`mille25`	`it really depends what you mainly do in the editor, though.`
`20:35.11`	`mille25`	`for me, using the trigger editor 95% of the time, the ssd didnt do too much sadly`
`20:35.24`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I don't think I've ever even tried that JademusSreg lol,`
`20:35.36`	`Dustin\|Work`	`But that'd be a good idea, suspend the editor while im testing`
`20:35.46`	`mille25`	`Dustin\|Work: i dont think so. the windows sheduler determines which thread gets used, and usually it does that quite well.`
`20:36.14`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I need to track down the problem cause whenever I have both going it crawls my game`
`20:36.24`	`Dustin\|Work`	`And my CPU and RAM are not maxed out`
`20:36.27`	`mille25`	`could be your hard drive`
`20:36.37`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Might be a video issue trying to render both the editor and the game in ultra settings :P`
`20:36.42`	`mille25`	`hard drives cause most lag anyways`
`20:36.48`	`JademusSreg`	`When a process even threatens to cycle out of line, I command "process", launch process explorer and make it regret that deterministic outcome.`
`20:36.59`	`MoonEater`	`http://www.passmark.com/baselines/V8/display.php?id=12891346424`
`20:37.08`	`MoonEater`	`http://www.passmark.com/baselines/V8/display.php?id=12891346424`
`20:37.16`	`MoonEater`	`http://www.passmark.com/baselines/V8/display.php?id=12984120921`
`20:37.20`	`mille25`	`at work i got a laptop with an old core 2 extreme cpu (which was 1000€ back in the day, 4 cores) and 6GB of ram. however i can barely edit text files in windows without absurd lag. the reason is the hard drive, which is some sort of old laptop drive.`
`20:37.42`	`mille25`	`cpu is constantly at 0%, but it lags like crazy`
`20:37.55`	`Dustin\|Work`	`That's super lame`
`20:37.59`	`mille25`	`yep...`
`20:38.03`	`MoonEater`	`then go compare prices`
`20:38.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Sysinternals is your friend on a windows os, so damn indispensable.`
`20:38.21`	`A1win`	`yeah I got some crazy performance drops a few years ago when my HD was going kaput`
`20:38.26`	`MoonEater`	`thats the best intell vs the best amd`
`20:38.32`	`MoonEater`	`in benchmarks`
`20:38.39`	`MoonEater`	`and amd is 1/3ed the price`
`20:38.56`	`mille25`	`MoonEater: please stop referring to passmark, it doesnt show anything and is just a theorical benchmark.`
`20:39.08`	`MoonEater`	`fine`
`20:39.24`	`MoonEater`	`the whole i7 core is theroritcal`
`20:39.29`	`MoonEater`	`cause its all virtualized`
`20:40.03`	`MoonEater`	`so we look at resources`
`20:40.16`	`JademusSreg`	`"theroritcal" gets 283 google results.`
`20:40.41`	`MoonEater`	`amd more hertz, cashe, cores at less the price`
`20:40.42`	`Dustin\|Work`	`wow lol`
`20:41.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, busy time. bbl`
`20:41.11`	`MoonEater`	`same`
`20:41.18`	`MoonEater`	`time if argueing this point`
`20:41.23`	`MoonEater`	`tired*`
`20:41.26`	`MoonEater`	`of*`
`20:41.47`	`A1win`	`you're rising an argument but no one's replying ;>`
`20:41.59`	`A1win`	`*raising`
`20:42.13`	`MoonEater`	`A1win, are u reading?`
`20:42.26`	`A1win`	`reading what?`
`20:43.06`	`MoonEater`	`scrool up`
`20:43.18`	`A1win`	`why D:`
`20:43.34`	`MoonEater`	`and i miss the detailed processor by processor bench marks, soo much more informitive`
`20:44.02`	`A1win`	`I don't care if there's some processor that's better than this for cheaper, I already bought this one`
`20:44.10`	`MoonEater`	`i mean cause what does 100% mean anyways?`
`20:44.42`	`MoonEater`	`A1win, so if u bought that one and dont care why r u talking to me about it then?`
`20:44.44`	`mille25`	`MoonEater: i dont want to heat this up further, but i can tell you that you dont know as much about hardware than you think you do. ill leave it at that`
`20:44.44`	`A1win`	`it means 1`
`20:45.02`	`A1win`	`I'm not? :X`
`20:45.08`	`MoonEater`	`Miles25: i dont want to heat this up further, but i can tell you that you dont know as much about hardware than you think you do. ill leave it at that`
`20:46.21`	`mille25`	`alright :D`
`20:46.44`	`MoonEater`	`AHAH`
`20:46.44`	`MoonEater`	`XD`
`20:46.54`	`A1win`	`hmm this Utopia series seems cool`
`20:47.30`	`A1win`	`or should I say programme`
`20:53.15`	`mille25`	`alright guys, gonna get out for a drink. have a good night`
`20:54.16`	`MoonEater`	`damn this is soo odd...`
`20:54.37`	`MoonEater`	`must be my amd processor causing it i should have gone with intell`
`20:54.39`	`MoonEater`	`XD`
`20:54.45`	`MoonEater`	`i laugh at my own jokes`
`20:54.46`	`MoonEater`	`AHAH`
`20:55.19`	`A1win`	`don't laugh too hard or to moon will come out`
`20:55.46`	`MoonEater`	`right...`
`20:55.55`	`MoonEater`	`like`
`20:56.01`	`MoonEater`	`i can hude the units`
`20:56.05`	`MoonEater`	`but not make them appear`
`20:56.07`	`MoonEater`	`soo weird`
`20:56.30`	`MoonEater`	`oh shit...`
`20:56.35`	`MoonEater`	`are my lights wondering?!?`
`20:57.04`	`A1win`	`you sound like you're drunk or something D:`
`20:57.29`	`MoonEater`	`no im serious`
`20:57.36`	`MoonEater`	`i think the issue is my lights r wondering`
`20:58.26`	`Almaity`	`what are they wondering about?`
`20:58.39`	`MoonEater`	`ya wonder behavior was applied to them`
`20:59.01`	`Almaity`	`it's "wander" btw :p wonder is a quite different word`
`20:59.18`	`A1win`	`I wasn't even referring to that line ;p`
`21:00.03`	`MoonEater`	`<---software major not english`
`21:01.03`	`Obscene`	`You all make me sad..`
`21:02.53`	`A1win`	`have a cookie`
`21:03.13`	`Obscene`	`:( I dont like chocolate`
`21:03.18`	`Obscene`	`Can you make me an oatmeal one?`
`21:03.25`	`Obscene`	`with raisins`
`21:03.42`	`MoonEater`	`raising for pooping well to make a good meal?`
`21:03.43`	`A1win`	`anything you want sweatheart`
`21:03.46`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`21:03.47`	`Triceron`	`Watching War3 ingame cutscenes again, the story was so goooood.`
`21:04.01`	`Obscene`	`Whereas SC2 story is!!!!`
`21:04.02`	`Obscene`	`hha`
`21:04.04`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Yeah ive been thinking about playing through the campaign again for WC3`
`21:04.06`	`Obscene`	`not even comparable its so bad`
`21:04.27`	`MoonEater`	`We still need to do machina`
`21:04.40`	`MoonEater`	`and dont say pritty awsome`
`21:04.42`	`Obscene`	`That reminds me, I gtg play some WC3`
`21:04.42`	`Obscene`	`:P`
`21:04.47`	`Obscene`	`Prettyawesome`
`21:04.52`	`Triceron`	`has anyone here been using the cinematic editor much in SC2?`
`21:04.57`	`Obscene`	`Imma tell him to never help you mooneater`
`21:04.58`	`MoonEater`	`<----`
`21:05.09`	`Triceron`	`you have any examples of your work moon?`
`21:05.09`	`Obscene`	`I haven't much but I know the basics somewhat`
`21:05.20`	`Almaity`	`I've done a bit as well`
`21:05.31`	`MoonEater`	`why he said hes moving off from the sc2 cse`
`21:05.35`	`Triceron`	`I'm kinda interested in learning a bit`
`21:05.37`	`MoonEater`	`moving to unity or somthing`
`21:05.43`	`Obscene`	`Prettyawesome uses UDK now`
`21:05.51`	`Obscene`	`because he has 10 + years with it :P`
`21:05.53`	`MoonEater`	`Triceron, protect bob`
`21:05.58`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Im moving to Unity as well`
`21:06.17`	`Obscene`	`I might move on soon as well :?`
`21:06.24`	`Triceron`	`who's prettyawesome?`
`21:06.30`	`MoonEater`	`i will probably move to bestheda's platform if i were to move`
`21:06.34`	`Obscene`	`He makes sc2 machinima`
`21:06.37`	`Dustin\|Work`	`I'm pretty awesome`
`21:06.39`	`Triceron`	`oh?`
`21:06.44`	`MoonEater`	`he is good at the machinima`
`21:06.45`	`Obscene`	`yeah, hes on skype`
`21:06.46`	`MoonEater`	`but`
`21:06.52`	`MoonEater`	`he doesnt release very many`
`21:06.58`	`Triceron`	`link?`
`21:06.59`	`MoonEater`	`and hes all about quality`
`21:07.07`	`Triceron`	`quality is good`
`21:07.09`	`MoonEater`	`which i think machinima is not about quality`
`21:07.17`	`MoonEater`	`its about content`
`21:07.27`	`Obscene`	`He has released several videos...`
`21:07.28`	`Triceron`	`I haven't seen many SC2 machinimas`
`21:07.31`	`Triceron`	`only like crainy's`
`21:07.36`	`MoonEater`	`red vs blue doesnt have very good quality but they became rich`
`21:07.39`	`Obscene`	`Crainys is lower quality`
`21:07.47`	`Triceron`	`i didn't like the voicing`
`21:07.55`	`Triceron`	`irked me`
`21:08.02`	`Obscene`	`http://www.youtube.com/user/Metagamed?feature=watch`
`21:08.09`	`Obscene`	`Thats PA's Stuff`
`21:08.21`	`Obscene`	`Blizzard showed PAs videos at the HoTS launch party`
`21:08.27`	`MoonEater`	`i want to do sc2 mechinima just dont have any support for it`
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`21:11.00`	`A1win`	`I've never cared much for stuff like that, maybe I haven't seen any good quality ones`
`21:11.15`	`MoonEater`	`seen red vs blue?`
`21:11.31`	`A1win`	`might have`
`21:11.47`	`MoonEater`	`season 1 was from 10 years ago when they first started`
`21:11.55`	`MoonEater`	`as u progress`
`21:12.04`	`MoonEater`	`u see slow quality improvement`
`21:12.15`	`A1win`	`I probably saw it back then, can't remember any of it, just the name`
`21:12.16`	`MoonEater`	`quality is much better in the current season`
`21:12.29`	`MoonEater`	`but like PrettyAwsome thinks its still poor quality`
`21:12.29`	`Dustin\|Work`	`My team was pretty big into machinima for a bit when it first came out doing WoW Machinima. We had a radio play we did and made the first episode into a WoW MAchinima, won an Xfire contests and we never made another machinima`
`21:12.55`	`Triceron`	`They're doing the RWBY series now, headed by that Dead Fantasy guy`
`21:13.11`	`MoonEater`	`monyeu om`
`21:13.13`	`MoonEater`	`but he sucks`
`21:13.20`	`MoonEater`	`he sucked in red vs blue`
`21:13.23`	`MoonEater`	`his plots suck`
`21:13.29`	`Triceron`	`didn't see his R&B stuff`
`21:13.35`	`MoonEater`	`i think rwby isnt going to last`
`21:13.41`	`MoonEater`	`he played monty ai`
`21:13.42`	`Triceron`	`but RWBY is like, pure fanwank crazy action`
`21:13.48`	`MoonEater`	`the one that made caboose all evil`
`21:13.54`	`Triceron`	`not my thing, but I can see the appeal`
`21:14.04`	`MoonEater`	`i did like the last episode`
`21:14.11`	`MoonEater`	`but they r cutting too many corners`
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`21:16.05`	`MoonEater`	`Triceron`
`21:16.10`	`MoonEater`	`cut scene isnt that hard`
`21:16.17`	`MoonEater`	`but theres some limitations`
`21:16.23`	`Triceron`	`yeah`
`21:16.36`	`Triceron`	`I wonder if it'd just be easier to machinima a video and stick that straight back into SC2.`
`21:17.28`	`Obscene`	`you CAN do that`
`21:17.33`	`Obscene`	`but it takes up a lot of map space`
`21:17.39`	`Triceron`	`mod space :P`
`21:17.43`	`Obscene`	`still`
`21:17.56`	`MoonEater`	`Triceron`
`21:17.57`	`Obscene`	`7 mbs a minute at lowest quality`
`21:17.58`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`21:18.00`	`MoonEater`	`make a camera unit`
`21:18.04`	`MoonEater`	`that a camera controls`
`21:18.06`	`Triceron`	`ingame would definitely be a smoother transition. At the cost of quality`
`21:18.11`	`MoonEater`	`and spin it around the map how u see fit`
`21:18.14`	`MoonEater`	`record the video`
`21:18.27`	`MoonEater`	`u can also use CSE for the more fanese kind of stuff`
`21:20.42`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Fuck, I'm bored and I have 40 minutes of work left`
`21:21.39`	`Almaity`	`http://www.reddit.com/r/all/`
`21:22.04`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Yeah I depleted that resource bout halfway through the day`
`21:22.27`	`Almaity`	`hit f5, something new is bound to show up`
`21:22.30`	`Almaity`	`:p`
`21:24.23`	`MoonEater`	`these lights r weirdo`
`21:39.08`	`MoonEater`	`why isnt the unit spawning...`
`21:39.20`	`MoonEater`	`location is right`
`21:39.23`	`MoonEater`	`time is right`
`21:39.30`	`MoonEater`	`i see it pinging the map`
`21:39.35`	`MoonEater`	`were it should have been made`
`21:39.39`	`MoonEater`	`but nothing`
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`21:52.57`	`Zolden`	`I have an abil that casts a persistent. Location is point. I create a splat at effect. Actor has SOpTargetPoint. And when I cast it on the ground, splat is static. But when Unit autocasts the abil on a unit (yea, abil targets units) the splat model is attached to the target unit. How can I make it not be attached, and always lay on the ground?`
`21:53.11`	`Zolden`	`any ideas?`
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`22:06.40`	`Zolden`	`oh, it's just SOpTargetPointStationary had to be`
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`22:45.23`	`Zolden`	`fuck nice`
`22:45.31`	`Zolden`	`little snow queen acts just perfect`
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`23:00.18`	`Stewox`	`hello`
`23:00.27`	`Stewox`	`someone knows current matchmaking maps ?`
`23:00.28`	`Zolden`	`hey`
`23:00.34`	`Stewox`	`in hots`
`23:00.48`	`Stewox`	`are hots and WoL matchmaking maps the same ?`
`23:00.48`	`Zolden`	`there's that map named "hitler attack"`
`23:01.11`	`Stewox`	`you mean a map Operation Paperclip ?`
`23:01.12`	`A1win`	`they are listed in the map veto options`
`23:01.27`	`Stewox`	`yeah but i don't have hots`
`23:01.56`	`Stewox`	`there's one map i haven't seen in wol`
`23:02.56`	`Stewox`	`does anyone want to make a mod with me ?`
`23:03.01`	`Stewox`	`zolden you know modelling right ?`
`23:07.53`	`Zolden`	`yea`
`23:09.56`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Stewox_ (~chatzilla@cpe-86-58-34-166.static.triera.net)`
`23:10.06`	`Stewox_`	`you think you can help me make something ?`
`23:10.56`	`Zolden`	`yea, it's what I do`
`23:10.58`	`Stewox`	`maybe we can split the work`
`23:11.39`	`Stewox`	`i rather go for cooperation than many groups trying to do their own version`
`23:12.21`	`Stewox`	`well i'm making a stargate, and I also want to do Al'kesh and the transport rings, probably some other ships too`
`23:12.38`	`Stewox`	`point is, i haven't used 3ds max before`
`23:13.10`	`Stewox`	`i have the basic shape already, i found a tutorial from a guy in poland on youtube`
`23:13.53`	`Stewox`	`i may make a mod out of it if I have time, but i just want to see the stargate`
`23:14.04`	`Stewox`	`I'm talking about the Stargate SG1 by the way`
`23:14.14`	`Stewox`	`not protoss stargate`
`23:14.21`	`Triceron`	`apparantly they're making new Stargate movies`
`23:14.26`	`Stewox`	`WHERE`
`23:14.27`	`Triceron`	`Roland Emmerich?`
`23:14.29`	`Stewox`	`WHAT`
`23:14.32`	`Stewox`	`TELL ME NAAAAAAO`
`23:14.35`	`Triceron`	`the guy behind all those disaster movies`
`23:14.46`	`Triceron`	`Day After Tomorrow, 2012`
`23:14.50`	`Stewox`	`what`
`23:14.58`	`Stewox`	`that's not stargate`
`23:14.58`	`Triceron`	`he wants to do Stargate Trilogy movies`
`23:14.58`	`Stewox`	`ah`
`23:15.00`	`Stewox`	`really ?`
`23:15.07`	`Stewox`	`oh the original guy`
`23:15.18`	`Triceron`	`http://www.themarysue.com/stargate-trilogy-reboot/`
`23:15.23`	`Stewox`	`maybe he'll hire the series producers as advisors`
`23:15.29`	`Triceron`	`oh so he directed the original`
`23:15.34`	`Triceron`	`I was wondering why they got him to do new ones`
`23:15.48`	`Triceron`	`his movies are so terrible`
`23:15.54`	`Stewox`	`september 8th 2013, this is extremely recent news`
`23:15.59`	`Stewox`	`THANK YOU TO DEATH TRICERON`
`23:16.38`	`Triceron`	`he said no returning chars from original`
`23:16.54`	`Triceron`	`but at this point, no one really cares about Kurt Russell and that other guy`
`23:16.56`	`Stewox`	`im so excited i hope the movie funds the video game projects so they can get a steady income stream for , MGM is incapable, they're stuck in stupid old media SciFi channel crap, why not netflix, and all net streaming stuff`
`23:17.32`	`Stewox`	`well MGM has the rights, Emmerich can't do anything he wants`
`23:18.11`	`Triceron`	`whoa, weird, that stargate actor is gonna be Ultron in next marvel movie?!`
`23:19.07`	`Triceron`	`I'm surprised the TV series didn't get movies`
`23:19.26`	`Triceron`	`but I guess it doesn't really work that way`
`23:20.15`	`Zolden`	`and time to give up to sleep forces`
`23:23.19`	`Stewox`	`trying to get what exactly he means with a reboot`
`23:23.46`	`Stewox`	`just resetting the happenings`
`23:23.57`	`Stewox`	`so nothing will carry over`
`23:24.07`	`Stewox`	`alternate story completely`
`23:24.26`	`Stewox`	`kind of good if that makes the series guys make a whole another show`
`23:26.21`	`Triceron`	`well it'll be after the two new Independance Day movies`
`23:26.28`	`Stewox`	`james spader is on bigger and better things, that writer should speak for him self, i don't give a fuck about superhero bullshit for mainstream yappies`
`23:26.55`	`Stewox`	`that's like a long way away`
`23:27.12`	`*** join/#sc2mapster wargirl (ad4e21d4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.78.33.212)`
`23:27.23`	`Stewox`	`anyways there'll surely be austin powers 4 and rush hour 4 in the meantime`
`23:27.25`	`wargirl`	`hi guys`
`23:28.00`	`*** join/#sc2mapster NickG365 (~Nick@cpe-71-74-246-43.neo.res.rr.com)`
`23:28.13`	`wargirl`	`hey nick`
`23:32.33`	`Triceron`	`hi wargirl`
`23:32.47`	`wargirl`	`hi triceron`
`23:33.01`	`Stewox`	`and triceron, that's about all I watch :p`
`23:33.34`	`Triceron`	`not sure if serious or...`
`23:33.35`	`Stewox`	`i don't watch movies, i may watch warcraft movie,`
`23:33.40`	`Stewox`	`yeah`
`23:33.53`	`Stewox`	`i don't watch anything else except scifi and comedy`
`23:34.04`	`Triceron`	`I watched Riddick recently`
`23:34.05`	`wargirl`	`whats the topic`
`23:34.19`	`wargirl`	`nice movie`
`23:34.21`	`Triceron`	`Sci Fi movies, Stewox was talkin about Stargate`
`23:34.34`	`Triceron`	`and I told him that they're planning on new Stargate movies`
`23:34.35`	`wargirl`	`cool`
`23:34.42`	`wargirl`	`how about BSG?`
`23:34.49`	`Stewox`	`Xfiles, stargate, home improvement, that's about it from entertaiment`
`23:34.53`	`Triceron`	`oh man, I wish they made more BSG`
`23:35.02`	`wargirl`	`right`
`23:35.23`	`wargirl`	`i was mad when they discotinue it`
`23:35.29`	`Stewox`	`other stuff is documentaries`
`23:35.33`	`Triceron`	`I was so psyched when Starbuck appared in the Riddick movie. I was like whooaaaaaaa, badass!`
`23:35.42`	`wargirl`	`yessssssssssssss`
`23:35.44`	`Stewox`	`see`
`23:35.56`	`wargirl`	`you know shes on longmire series`
`23:36.07`	`Triceron`	`what's that about? Never heard of it`
`23:36.07`	`wargirl`	`as a police`
`23:36.09`	`Stewox`	`stuff like that is pretty boring to me`
`23:36.12`	`Stewox`	`product placement`
`23:36.18`	`wargirl`	`2 season now`
`23:36.22`	`Triceron`	`ooh`
`23:36.50`	`Stewox`	`i keep hearing about breaking bad so much ..`
`23:36.55`	`Triceron`	`Stewox, 300 sequel. Will be epic.`
`23:37.08`	`Triceron`	`I still have to watch the last season`
`23:37.09`	`wargirl`	`breaking bad is the bomb`
`23:37.25`	`Triceron`	`I haven't caught up since I went out on vacation a week back`
`23:37.31`	`Triceron`	`but I'm hearing it's gooood`
`23:37.37`	`wargirl`	`yes D.`
`23:37.40`	`wargirl`	`is good`
`23:37.58`	`Stewox`	`but triceron you should know that conspiracy theorists aren't compatible with hollywood naturally by default so that's why im not a movie buff`
`23:38.02`	`Triceron`	`only a few eps left!`
`23:38.11`	`Stewox`	`that could explain that better`
`23:38.33`	`wargirl`	`guys i need help with a map`
`23:38.33`	`Stewox`	`last time i watched mainstream movies seriously was when i was 15 years and less old`
`23:38.41`	`Triceron`	`Well entertainment is entertainment`
`23:39.05`	`wargirl`	`who has a few minutes to help me with a map`
`23:39.06`	`Stewox`	`and that was mostly fighter plane, die hard kind of movies`
`23:39.49`	`Almaity`	`JademusSreg: You done some more work on Jayne or been busy? :) (Hope I'm not being annoying, srry if I am)`
`23:39.54`	`Triceron`	`<- Mapping noob, sorry but I wouldn't be any help`
`23:40.11`	`wargirl`	`k`
`23:40.26`	`Triceron`	`what about animated flicks? Don't care much for em?`
`23:40.27`	`Stewox`	`basically it's mostly the bs the movies spread is why i don't like watching them, SG1 is very cryptic if you know what I mean`
`23:40.58`	`Triceron`	`if you like sci fi, anime has some of the best.`
`23:40.58`	`wargirl`	`stewox youre to critical`
`23:41.00`	`Almaity`	`Wargirl, what help do you need?`
`23:41.03`	`Stewox`	`you would think Xfiles is the "question everything" but SG1 has so many revealers inside if you listen closely`
`23:41.21`	`Stewox`	`too critical of hollywood ?`
`23:41.54`	`wargirl`	`well im a noob, but my map dosent want to give me a coop options or difficulties`
`23:41.56`	`Stewox`	`it's not like they don't know what they're doing, but they are very scared of speaking on record`
`23:42.13`	`wargirl`	`i was messing with the triger`
`23:42.59`	`Almaity`	`ok, not entirely sure what you mean with coop options or difficulties :/`
`23:43.00`	`wargirl`	`is always good to sit and just enjoy stewox`
`23:43.16`	`Stewox`	`anime, sorry, i never get the japanese stuff, nor did I fell for the broken culture of southpark/futurama/weird cartoon`
`23:43.19`	`wargirl`	`i made a malee map`
`23:43.34`	`wargirl`	`and i was messing around with trigers`
`23:43.41`	`Stewox`	`I was pretty stupid when I was a kid, but I never feel for those cartoons that my much more intelligent friends had`
`23:43.55`	`wargirl`	`putting the kick players stuff on it`
`23:44.04`	`Stewox`	`i wasn't stupid, i was just behind in knowing stuff for my age, communication`
`23:44.07`	`wargirl`	`and i think i broke the map'`
`23:44.21`	`Almaity`	`I don't really have any experience with melee maps, sorry :(`
`23:44.58`	`Almaity`	`if it's broken triggers, try undoing things you changed til you find out what caused it to break`
`23:45.00`	`Stewox`	`even pre 15y, i didn't liked them, it wasn't funny to me it was disgusting`
`23:45.01`	`wargirl`	`thank almaity`
`23:45.19`	`wargirl`	`k, txs`
`23:45.31`	`Triceron`	`Well a lot of japanese sci fi focuses on dystopian societies`
`23:45.42`	`Triceron`	`so it might be up your conspiracy theorist alley :P`
`23:45.43`	`Almaity`	`Generally, when you have a problem, just try to go backwards/disable things til you find the source`
`23:46.07`	`wargirl`	`k i will try that now`
`23:46.16`	`Almaity`	`k, hope it helps :)`
`23:46.21`	`Stewox`	`sit and enjoy, why would I enjoy something I don't like because of the message it is spreading, I don't see good family values being promoted by almost all movies/shows`
`23:46.51`	`Stewox`	`why would I sit and enjoy propaganda, so it sucks me in, well sorry no thanks`
`23:47.12`	`wargirl`	`i can tell you never like finding nemo`
`23:47.21`	`Triceron`	`the one movie that changed my views on what anime was, which would have otherwise been 'Pokemon' and 'Sailormoon'`
`23:47.22`	`wargirl`	`and stuff like that`
`23:47.23`	`Triceron`	`Akira`
`23:47.34`	`wargirl`	`i love akira`
`23:47.38`	`Stewox`	`i get all dizzy watching 2 hours of discovery channel these days, with all the fake GOLD MINE shows and other stuff`
`23:47.56`	`Triceron`	`so if there is anything that you should check out in terms of anime, it's Akira.`
`23:48.04`	`Stewox`	`discovery channel has degenerated post 2005 into some sensational soap opera`
`23:48.05`	`Triceron`	`it's old, but a classic`
`23:48.31`	`wargirl`	`nothing better than scooby doo D.`
`23:48.35`	`Stewox`	`i can't watch those shows any more, or else i would tear down the whole TV down the window`
`23:48.42`	`Stewox`	`throw it out in trash`
`23:49.00`	`Stewox`	`I almost threw the remote in it`
`23:49.13`	`Stewox`	`I went out and broke some wood sticks instead`
`23:50.01`	`Stewox`	`The shows are totally stupid, made for 10 year olds, shaky camera, repeating same facts for 3 times in a row, stupid presenters with arrogant american accents`
`23:50.33`	`Stewox`	`that kind of "celebrity capitalist rich" accents`
`23:50.49`	`Stewox`	`kind of a "i look good on tv, arrgoant" accent`
`23:50.57`	`Triceron`	`I don't think I've really watched TV in about 8 years now. I just watch shows that I hear about through friends`
`23:51.05`	`Triceron`	`Breaking Bad is sooo gooooood`
`23:51.15`	`Triceron`	`and I really want more Game of Thrones so badly.`
`23:51.17`	`wargirl`	`yes it is`
`23:51.29`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (45f8f26f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.242.111)`
`23:51.33`	`wargirl`	`ohhh thats a wayting game there`
`23:51.36`	`Stewox`	`I watched discovery channel since i was like less than 10 years old, all stopped 4 years ago`
`23:51.40`	`Triceron`	`yeah :(`
`23:51.54`	`Triceron`	`Legend of Korra S2. starts today though!`
`23:51.55`	`wargirl`	`i know so sad`
`23:52.02`	`Stewox`	`the only thing i can watch is mythbusters and deadliest catch ...`
`23:52.07`	`wargirl`	`im on it`
`23:53.12`	`Stewox`	`Also, in terms of good value message movies present, most people don't even understand what they're watching`
`23:53.25`	`Stewox`	`let me find that example on imdb`
`23:55.24`	`Stewox`	`http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1602613/`
`23:56.19`	`Stewox`	`i didn't watch this but analyst said as well as the director the think people don't understand the movie, so it's mixed reviews`
`23:57.24`	`Stewox`	`anyways`
`23:57.47`	`Stewox`	`what does Automated Refinery use for it's income ?`
`23:57.54`	`Stewox`	`behavior ?`

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