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| 00:17.26 | MoonEater | jade |
| 00:17.32 | MoonEater | u there? |
| 00:19.12 | MoonEater | ping me when u r |
| 00:21.04 | MoonEater | A1win |
| 00:21.10 | MoonEater | Vailreth |
| 00:21.18 | MoonEater | Obscene |
| 00:22.02 | Vailreth | what? |
| 00:22.14 | Obscene | ? |
| 00:22.15 | Vailreth | >:| |
| 00:22.19 | MoonEater | so u cant stack the same weapon? |
| 00:22.28 | Obscene | ... |
| 00:22.40 | Obscene | Yes you CAN stack the same weapon |
| 00:22.46 | Obscene | You add the 2nd one via behavior |
| 00:23.12 | MoonEater | cant i add them all via behavior? |
| 00:26.22 | Lepton | thats interesting jade |
| 00:26.29 | Lepton | anyone else here uses panels? |
| 00:26.34 | Lepton | ill try useing some |
| 00:30.30 | MoonEater | omg... |
| 00:30.38 | MoonEater | i cant make behaviors |
| 00:30.42 | MoonEater | it wont let me |
| 00:30.57 | MoonEater | glitchy ass editor |
| 00:40.55 | Lepton | I actually might need to use panels |
| 00:41.01 | Lepton | for my chat system |
| 00:41.19 | Lepton | to be able to add an ignore feature |
| 00:41.29 | Lepton | i think it might save a lot of code |
| 00:41.46 | Lepton | not too confortable with them yet thoutgh |
| 00:42.01 | Lepton | MoonEater, yes editor is glitchy |
| 00:42.05 | Lepton | gotta reboot it |
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| 01:05.18 | MoonEater | Lepton 8 timkes |
| 01:10.05 | MoonEater | Obscene |
| 01:11.56 | Lepton | obcene is gone |
| 01:11.58 | Lepton | Kappa |
| 01:20.43 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 01:27.38 | Lepton | guess what |
| 01:27.45 | Lepton | I just a lobby from friendlist |
| 01:27.53 | Lepton | and I click game info |
| 01:28.02 | Lepton | creator: JademusSreg |
| 01:28.03 | Lepton | xD |
| 01:28.15 | Lepton | you didnt wanna tell me what map you made |
| 01:28.19 | Lepton | but I have found it :) |
| 01:31.04 | Lepton | omfg this is like troncraft |
| 01:31.11 | Lepton | this remake is even better |
| 01:31.18 | Lepton | i used to play troncraft a lot |
| 01:31.19 | Lepton | i was pro |
| 01:32.18 | JademusSreg | I wasn't secretive about it, haha. But yeah, I've got plans to rerelease Photon Cycles, since apparently it still has a following. |
| 01:33.23 | JademusSreg | I'm told there are some bugs, which isn't surprising, considering I made the map about 3 years ago and piled code on top of a messy prototype. |
| 01:33.29 | Lepton | I see chose the same as me for the chat |
| 01:33.46 | Lepton | you use dialog right? |
| 01:33.52 | Lepton | well, probly apanel is your case :P |
| 01:34.11 | JademusSreg | The map's source files are on the forums, btw. |
| 01:34.28 | Lepton | rly |
| 01:34.46 | Lepton | do you know the guy who made troncraft? |
| 01:34.52 | Lepton | or maybe it waaas you too |
| 01:35.49 | JademusSreg | You're refering to which map? The hellions that pooped the rectangle blocks and had to be spam clicked? |
| 01:36.34 | Lepton | its like your map but you had view from above |
| 01:36.39 | Lepton | and had to click to change direction |
| 01:36.49 | Lepton | yup |
| 01:37.33 | JademusSreg | TronCraft: Rebirth. I enjoyed the gameplay, refined the controls. |
| 01:37.39 | Lepton | now the game is making fun of me for crashing into my own wall |
| 01:37.44 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 01:37.46 | Lepton | fffuuu |
| 01:37.54 | Lepton | yeah that game |
| 01:38.20 | Lepton | the blocks in your map are less thick though |
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| 01:38.42 | Lepton | im still not used to controls |
| 01:38.49 | Lepton | I fail my 180 degre turns |
| 01:39.07 | JademusSreg | I use mouse sensitivity around 50%. |
| 01:40.48 | JademusSreg | Toggle the stats if you're playing with other people, you'll see some outrageous numbers depending on who your opponents are. |
| 01:41.46 | Lepton | yeah some are good |
| 01:41.52 | Lepton | little suggestion |
| 01:42.01 | Lepton | the chat is hard to read when you die cause of the walls |
| 01:42.11 | Lepton | maybe make background less transparent after you dieed |
| 01:42.27 | Lepton | or just bigger |
| 01:42.45 | JademusSreg | If something looks wrong, take a screenshot. |
| 01:44.09 | Lepton | just realized theres speed boost |
| 01:44.18 | Lepton | not wrong, its just hard to read clearly |
| 01:44.49 | JademusSreg | But like I said earlier, gonna basically overhaul the codebase, so observations on the current state likely will not be applicable. |
| 01:46.10 | Lepton | ah |
| 01:46.27 | Lepton | btw is there a way to rotate camera to see whats happening on the sides? |
| 01:46.37 | JademusSreg | Turn in that direction. |
| 01:47.22 | Lepton | thats the only way? :( |
| 01:47.35 | JademusSreg | It's a very response-intensive game. |
| 01:47.36 | Lepton | tahts siegecruz guy got 300 games hes owning us |
| 01:48.59 | JademusSreg | The win:loss ratio is the significant figure. =D |
| 01:51.22 | Lepton | ye |
| 01:51.26 | Lepton | wheres the code? |
| 01:51.35 | JademusSreg | You mean the map source files? |
| 01:51.57 | Lepton | yeah |
| 01:52.10 | JademusSreg | It's on the forums. |
| 01:52.19 | JademusSreg | There's even a link to it in my signature. |
| 01:52.36 | Lepton | ah tehre |
| 01:53.11 | Lepton | "I'm not interested in maintaining it further (or in modding SC2)" - JademusSreg |
| 01:53.17 | Lepton | 2012 |
| 01:53.20 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 01:53.22 | Lepton | so... |
| 01:54.48 | Lepton | you dont work on maps anymore? |
| 01:54.59 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 01:57.47 | JademusSreg | I was gone for a while, but it occured to me I could leverage my knowledge and experience more effectively, using SC2 as a means by which to promote myself and my future projects. I figured I should just go ahead and make a well-designed, well-implemented, wildly popular map. |
| 01:58.08 | Lepton | im playing a game and the mouse pointer isnt hidden :/ |
| 01:58.22 | Lepton | ah I see, thats great |
| 01:58.30 | JademusSreg | Yeah, SC2 has had that bug forever. |
| 01:58.44 | Lepton | how to avoid it? |
| 01:58.58 | JademusSreg | Ask Blizzard to fix it, I suppose. |
| 01:59.07 | Lepton | do you have other maps? |
| 01:59.48 | JademusSreg | I've made other maps, published other maps, worked on other projects, but Photon Cycles is probably my best known work. |
| 02:00.20 | Lepton | what page is it |
| 02:00.23 | Lepton | in pupolarity |
| 02:00.29 | JademusSreg | wouldn't know. |
| 02:01.06 | Lepton | lobby filled up decently fast |
| 02:01.09 | Lepton | probly top 5 for sure |
| 02:01.40 | JademusSreg | It was at the top during the Arcade's launch, I was informed, but I don't much keep up with it. |
| 02:02.11 | JademusSreg | If you like, let them know I'm working on a new version. |
| 02:02.11 | Lepton | so it existed before troncraft? |
| 02:02.55 | Lepton | will do |
| 02:02.59 | Lepton | omfg that bug is so annoying |
| 02:03.01 | Lepton | making me crash |
| 02:03.51 | JademusSreg | And nope, as the loading screen probably mentions, Photon Cycles was inspired by TronCraft: Rebirth. I enjoyed playing the map, but I hated the controls. So I improved on its concepts. |
| 02:06.42 | Lepton | in order to access dependency photon cycle music you wuill need to log in to bnet |
| 02:06.43 | Lepton | wtf |
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| 02:11.02 | Lepton | i didnt remember we played my map together |
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| 02:14.21 | Lepton | from your game history |
| 02:14.25 | Lepton | i stalked your bnet profile |
| 02:14.27 | Lepton | Kappa |
| 02:14.44 | Lepton | you should come see the latest version |
| 02:14.51 | Lepton | it changed so much |
| 02:14.56 | Lepton | i started a couple other maps though |
| 02:15.33 | Lepton | omfg your map is all custom script |
| 02:16.34 | Lepton | its two games ina row that I see mouse pointer now, how do I avoid it from happening? |
| 02:19.42 | JademusSreg | Relaunch SC2. |
| 02:20.47 | JademusSreg | Did you expect the map to use GUI? =D |
| 02:21.14 | Lepton | I thought that the code would be visible as GUI even thought it wasnt build with it |
| 02:21.36 | JademusSreg | Haha, naw. |
| 02:23.16 | Lepton | i just owned this pro |
| 02:23.32 | JademusSreg | Good feeling, right? |
| 02:23.37 | Lepton | yupyup |
| 02:23.40 | Lepton | he makes stripes |
| 02:23.45 | Lepton | rly close to each other |
| 02:23.50 | Lepton | and waits |
| 02:23.54 | Lepton | for ppl to come |
| 02:23.59 | JademusSreg | Sounds like a turtle. |
| 02:24.05 | Lepton | he stays near the center |
| 02:24.23 | Lepton | hes not afrayed of moving through dense areas |
| 02:25.25 | JademusSreg | The great players alternate between stalking/hunting and evading/trapping. And moving through dense areas is common, mundane, at the higher level of play. |
| 02:28.10 | Lepton | I started betting behind them |
| 02:28.14 | Lepton | in their dead angle |
| 02:28.18 | Lepton | and sharking |
| 02:28.30 | Lepton | wait for them to unknowingly make a mistake |
| 02:28.44 | Lepton | works great |
| 02:29.01 | JademusSreg | Zooop, surprise, bam. |
| 02:29.06 | Lepton | yupyup |
| 02:29.18 | Lepton | I made a graph in my map |
| 02:29.30 | Lepton | or score evolution |
| 02:29.42 | Lepton | do you know if any other map has graphs? |
| 02:29.58 | JademusSreg | shrugs. |
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| 02:30.11 | JademusSreg | I mostly do my own thing. |
| 02:30.25 | Lepton | im pretty proud of it |
| 02:30.37 | Lepton | most ppl dont realise that its hard to do |
| 02:30.40 | Lepton | with the editor |
| 02:30.40 | JademusSreg | Thouugh I did make a proof of concept graph of a bezier curve a while back. |
| 02:30.51 | Lepton | so much math and trigonometry went into it :P |
| 02:32.18 | Lepton | what did you use for the display? dialog images? |
| 02:32.38 | JademusSreg | In the POC, yeah, but that has terrible performance. |
| 02:39.09 | Lepton | yeah it looks bad sometimes |
| 02:39.19 | Lepton | btw |
| 02:39.43 | Lepton | press delate/insert |
| 02:39.46 | Lepton | in your map |
| 02:39.52 | Lepton | funny stuff happens |
| 02:40.09 | JademusSreg | Hahaha, as though I wouldn't know? |
| 02:40.48 | JademusSreg | Don't let anyone troll you into pausing the game, btw. |
| 02:42.25 | Lepton | what does that do? |
| 02:42.48 | JademusSreg | It's bad manners, of course. |
| 02:43.06 | Lepton | well |
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| 02:43.14 | Lepton | it just made me leave the game |
| 02:43.15 | Lepton | :/ |
| 02:43.20 | Lepton | shoulda warn me |
| 02:43.25 | Lepton | :d |
| 02:43.27 | Lepton | :s |
| 02:43.30 | JademusSreg | I did. Obviously. |
| 02:43.47 | Lepton | how could I know |
| 02:43.48 | Lepton | :/ |
| 02:43.54 | JademusSreg | [22:40:47] <JademusSreg> Don't let anyone troll you into pausing the game, btw. |
| 02:43.58 | JademusSreg | [22:42:47] <JademusSreg> It's bad manners, of course. |
| 02:44.18 | Lepton | i misinterpreted that |
| 02:45.00 | JademusSreg | It's like "Hey know, don't eat the fruit from this tree, okay? That would be rude." And you eat the fruit anyway. Way to go breaking it, hero. |
| 02:46.08 | Lepton | i thought it meant dont let yourself get trolled by people puasing the game |
| 02:46.10 | Lepton | hah |
| 02:47.03 | JademusSreg | Yeah, pausing is very much frowned upon. |
| 02:47.33 | Lepton | what if they do it from menu? |
| 02:47.39 | JademusSreg | I disabled it. |
| 02:47.57 | JademusSreg | The pause button is gone. |
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| 02:49.06 | Lepton | of course |
| 02:49.11 | Lepton | why dont you come play a game with us |
| 02:49.35 | JademusSreg | Because I'm designing the new version so people don't suffer the bugs for eternity. |
| 02:49.42 | Lepton | just |
| 02:49.43 | Lepton | 1 game |
| 02:49.44 | Lepton | :D |
| 02:50.06 | JademusSreg | Perhaps in a little while. Need to finish what I'm doing first. |
| 02:50.17 | JademusSreg | Also, which region? |
| 02:50.47 | Lepton | NA |
| 02:51.14 | JademusSreg | Ah, goot. Once I'm done, I'll pop in. |
| 02:51.38 | JademusSreg | But don't by any means ever wait for me to join; that would be silly. |
| 02:52.19 | Lepton | aiiight |
| 02:53.31 | Lepton | let me know when |
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| 03:25.18 | EntityEnigma | has anyone ever gotten invisable walls even after youve turned off all doodad foot prints? |
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| 04:29.00 | Juxtapoz | which region of sc2 has the most players? |
| 04:34.51 | Bommes | EU probably |
| 04:35.49 | Bommes | but the difference between EU and US is not that big |
| 04:36.51 | Bommes | and the numbers I've seen didn't take Arcade into account at all, just matchmaking. There EU had about 10% more players than NA I think |
| 04:37.02 | Juxtapoz | oh |
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| 05:08.07 | MoonEater_ | hihi |
| 05:08.18 | MoonEater_ | Jade |
| 05:08.27 | MoonEater_ | A1win |
| 05:08.33 | Lepton | lepton |
| 05:08.39 | Lepton | :D |
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| 05:53.56 | G0A | fireagra: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTZY5I-xp34 :D |
| 05:56.43 | Lepton | lol |
| 05:56.45 | Lepton | the side effects |
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| 06:16.12 | Kueken | oh, almost forgot |
| 06:16.13 | Kueken | SHARK! |
| 06:17.08 | Bommes | whats that shark and zoop stuff about anyways? |
| 06:18.56 | Kueken | dunno about Zoop |
| 06:19.23 | Kueken | but the german word for Shark is "Hai", which is pronounced "Hi" |
| 06:19.49 | Bommes | mhkay |
| 06:19.59 | Kueken | in german its pretty common to greet someone with "hi" and get the response "where?" |
| 06:20.05 | Bommes | yeah i know |
| 06:20.17 | Bommes | i am german |
| 06:20.23 | Kueken | damn :/ |
| 06:20.29 | Bommes | :D |
| 06:20.30 | Kueken | feeling stupid now |
| 06:20.37 | Bommes | you shouldn't |
| 06:20.45 | Kueken | but its fun! |
| 06:20.55 | Kueken | I want to |
| 06:21.03 | Bommes | okay |
| 06:21.04 | Kueken | please, daddy, just a little while |
| 06:21.12 | Kueken | you the best! |
| 06:22.35 | Bommes | time to slay some newbies in Hearthstone! |
| 06:22.37 | Bommes | well, after breakfast |
| 06:33.29 | Kueken | so invites got out? |
| 06:33.45 | Kueken | I thought it was still friends&family |
| 06:42.31 | MoonEater | kueken |
| 06:42.39 | MoonEater | how do i stack weapons that are the same? |
| 06:43.20 | MoonEater | Kueken |
| 06:43.31 | Kueken | uncheck shared cooldown maybe |
| 06:43.35 | Kueken | never tried it |
| 07:07.35 | Bommes | Kueken: There are invites out |
| 07:07.42 | Bommes | I'm playing on someone else's account though |
| 07:08.12 | Kueken | careful, the Blizzguys might monitor the channel :p |
| 07:19.46 | G0A | Kueken haha, I would be happy if it would be true, but they even care less than NSA :) |
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| 08:01.55 | Demo | Is there any way to run a trigger as player? so EventPlayer() picks up say a computer? |
| 08:02.22 | Demo | Currently I have a trigger creating a unit, killing it, and then on event it picks the triggering player, but it's only working about half of the time.... |
| 08:02.46 | Demo | I really don't want to rewrite a ton of code just to allow a parameter to accept a computer vs EventPlayer() |
| 08:10.04 | Bommes | fuck, so much bad luck in my last 2 arena games :/ 5 - 3 |
| 08:11.58 | Kueken | Demo: I don't follow |
| 08:12.37 | Demo | So when a player clicks a dialog item, an action definition is fired, and the "EventPlayer() |
| 08:12.39 | Demo | " |
| 08:12.42 | Kueken | also, for unit-related events, it is usually safer to use Owner of(Triggering Unit) instead of Triggering Player |
| 08:12.44 | Demo | or Triggering Player is stored |
| 08:13.12 | Kueken | ah, so you want to test dialogs for different players? |
| 08:13.17 | Demo | I just did a replacement and I'm hoping that such a broad replacement will work |
| 08:13.28 | Demo | no, I want people to be able to add computers, and create random heroes |
| 08:13.31 | Demo | which is working fine |
| 08:13.45 | Demo | but only hafl the time, becuase the other event doesn't always fire properly... |
| 08:13.59 | Demo | it may now though... |
| 08:14.13 | Kueken | pastebin the trigger/script |
| 08:14.39 | Kueken | you referring to EventPlayer() indicates you use galaxy script? |
| 08:14.51 | Demo | I use both |
| 08:14.54 | Demo | depending on which is easier |
| 08:15.20 | Demo | I was just curious if there was a faster way to run a trigger as a player |
| 08:15.23 | Demo | without parameters |
| 08:15.38 | Demo | I'm just going to replace it all and see if that works for now |
| 08:16.03 | Kueken | what is the event that fails exactly? |
| 08:16.26 | Demo | Unit Dies |
| 08:16.47 | Demo | it only actually fired 100% of the time if the units died approx 2 seconds apart |
| 08:16.50 | Kueken | usually, events don't fail, its more likely that your conditions filter it or the trigger is disabled by something or w/e |
| 08:16.51 | Demo | and that's local, not bnet |
| 08:17.01 | Demo | there are no conditions |
| 08:17.14 | Demo | and the first message once the event fires is a text message notifying me that it has |
| 08:17.36 | Kueken | from my experience, unit dies event fires always and with no exception |
| 08:17.47 | Kueken | and believe me, I tested extensively :D |
| 08:18.27 | Demo | http://pastebin.com/fuPQ9wrN |
| 08:19.08 | Kueken | that looks pretty straight forward |
| 08:19.36 | Demo | no conditions, yet it still fails, I watch the unit die for each individual computer |
| 08:19.44 | Demo | and unless the delay between deaths is around 2 seconds |
| 08:20.01 | Demo | it fails through 6 repetitions |
| 08:20.06 | Demo | 6 computers |
| 08:20.13 | Kueken | the only interaction I could spot here is the instant removal, maybe it interferes somehow |
| 08:20.16 | Kueken | but unlikely |
| 08:20.29 | Demo | I remove it because of dead body syndrome |
| 08:20.41 | Kueken | ? |
| 08:21.06 | Kueken | in SC2, units have a default death time of 0, they are instantly removed and cleaned up from memory |
| 08:21.14 | Kueken | if thats what you are worried about |
| 08:21.17 | Demo | mine dont |
| 08:21.31 | Demo | they resurrect, so their death time is quite massive |
| 08:21.38 | Demo | most units |
| 08:21.43 | Kueken | wait, you set the death time manually to be able to remove them via trigger? xD |
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| 08:21.47 | Demo | I just happened to spawna unit that did |
| 08:22.02 | Demo | only for that specific unit |
| 08:22.14 | Demo | this wasn't a solution, it was a fix to test something further |
| 08:22.24 | Demo | and the only thing I could think of that would work |
| 08:22.49 | Kueken | okay, so are you certain the message doesn't trigger? Maybe it fails to display for some reason, but the trigger still runs. |
| 08:22.53 | Demo | I'm just changing them to action definitions and allowing the parameter anyways |
| 08:23.05 | Kueken | try something more... obvious, respawn the units and see if that fails |
| 08:23.09 | Demo | I don't know why it would do that... |
| 08:23.14 | Kueken | me neither |
| 08:23.21 | Kueken | just a theory to test |
| 08:23.34 | Demo | I'd have to open a new map to really test it extensively |
| 08:23.48 | Kueken | poor guy :) |
| 08:23.52 | Demo | I'd have to go through disabling camera options and other things |
| 08:24.12 | Demo | It's a poor fix anyways, because I have an event that fires on death for no real reason |
| 08:24.23 | Demo | just poor practice for lag |
| 08:24.56 | Kueken | you can worry about that, once the trigger fires :O |
| 08:25.13 | Kueken | oh |
| 08:25.18 | Kueken | >.< |
| 08:25.40 | Kueken | Trigger - Run Hero Selected (Check Conditions, Wait until it finishes) |
| 08:25.44 | Demo | I'm almost done replacing things anyways |
| 08:26.22 | Kueken | that trigger might interfere as well |
| 08:26.25 | Demo | I have to wait or it bugs other things out. |
| 08:26.27 | Demo | massively |
| 08:26.53 | Kueken | can you post that as well? |
| 08:27.12 | Kueken | or just test the message without running the secondary trigger? |
| 08:27.53 | Demo | I could if I hadn't already switched everything, let me see if there is an old version |
| 08:31.48 | Demo | I can't remember where the editor saves backups... |
| 08:32.43 | Demo | I found it anyways, it's a negative array index within the trigger |
| 08:32.47 | Demo | breaking everything proceeding it |
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| 08:42.11 | Kueken | :) |
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| 09:23.12 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
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| 10:13.46 | JademusSreg | suddenly realizes Camera actors are now multiplayer viable with the addition of native player-async actor features. |
| 10:42.46 | zenx | tomorow gona be a long day |
| 10:42.53 | zenx | driving atlweast 500km |
| 10:44.34 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 11:05.37 | G0A | wow, why did I miss this: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/9572528443?page=3 time to join to the flames.D |
| 11:05.46 | zenx | OMFG |
| 11:05.56 | zenx | fucking assholee job guy |
| 11:06.52 | zenx | G0A: whats in that thread? |
| 11:06.58 | zenx | should I read from beginning |
| 11:11.49 | G0A | not really I just read the end |
| 11:12.13 | zenx | what a weird thread |
| 11:12.18 | zenx | some people seem to be jealous |
| 11:24.50 | duckies | ah, that thread, people there seem to take pride in upholding standards of b-net forums |
| 11:26.10 | duckies | it reminds me of blizz storylines, cliche angsty crap that nobody in their right mind gives a damn about :D |
| 11:29.06 | duckies | what is more interesting to me is - how do you make a counter-clockwise boolean? http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/57575-counter-clockwise-boolean/#p1 |
| 11:31.28 | zenx | I posted my rant there too |
| 11:31.33 | zenx | Im not sure if I was on topic |
| 11:31.34 | zenx | but |
| 11:31.42 | zenx | I just went on my way to rant about stuff |
| 11:32.25 | zenx | duckies: |
| 11:32.32 | zenx | what the fuck does that mean? |
| 11:32.58 | zenx | its either 0 or 1 |
| 11:32.59 | duckies | See, you too are intrigued now about what it means! |
| 11:33.00 | zenx | ?!? |
| 11:33.06 | duckies | fascinating isn't it? |
| 11:33.09 | zenx | sure is |
| 11:33.23 | zenx | did some more mapping today |
| 11:33.37 | zenx | I couldnt do much thou cause Im too nervous about tomorrows job interview |
| 11:33.37 | duckies | I'll do some in evening :D |
| 11:33.50 | duckies | well |
| 11:34.02 | duckies | work out, eath healthy and go to sleep early then?:D |
| 11:34.16 | duckies | or just chill and read a book :> |
| 11:34.21 | zenx | that sounds good |
| 11:34.38 | zenx | Ill probly just watch TV and continue being nervous |
| 11:34.47 | G0A | no reading! |
| 11:34.53 | zenx | there is not really even nothing to be nervous about |
| 11:36.14 | duckies | but reading is awesome, it's relaxing and not as exciting that you'd regret later doing it instead of something useful. Kinda helps to sort your mind out. |
| 11:37.01 | G0A | what are you reading? |
| 11:37.10 | G0A | hope some badass Russian Scifi |
| 11:37.53 | duckies | zenxu, they're just a regular meatbags with their regular problems trying to live in this world, nothing special about them, so yea, nothing to be nervous about |
| 11:38.42 | duckies | nothing atm g0a. I'm sometimes reading stuff I wanted to read when I went to school but was too buys disliking reading :D |
| 11:39.19 | duckies | finished brave new world recently, was kinda cool :D I fancy dystopias |
| 11:39.27 | G0A | :) |
| 11:51.05 | JademusSreg | Wattafuck? |
| 11:54.17 | JademusSreg | 1) I told those folks to play it cool, not srs. 2) No such thing as a "counter clockwise boolean". |
| 11:56.36 | JademusSreg | Also, who is Malpheus? |
| 11:57.00 | G0A | "No such thing as a "clockwise boolean"" |
| 11:57.17 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 11:57.36 | JademusSreg | I didn't make that assertion because I didn't check that specifically, haha. |
| 11:57.46 | G0A | but he could make one, though it would be pointless.) |
| 11:59.31 | G0A | http://www.sc2mapster.com/profiles/Malpheus/ He is a nice guy |
| 12:01.51 | JademusSreg | I'm attempting to figure out what he's actually done. |
| 12:02.47 | G0A | not much, he hosted some sites for mappers in W3 and SC2 that I know, I have forum and domain from him. |
| 12:03.40 | JademusSreg | But no, "nice" is as applicable to Mal as it is to me, from what I can tell. http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/32283-blizzard-ignores-eagle-promotes-gloop/#p7 |
| 12:04.55 | JademusSreg | Seems a tad bitter. |
| 12:05.38 | JademusSreg | But "nice" is useless anyway. =D |
| 12:12.07 | G0A | :) |
| 12:18.22 | Kueken | but nice is... nice :( |
| 12:26.21 | JademusSreg | "Nice" is a word people use to positively characterize the inability to prioritize utility over concern for people's feelings. =D |
| 12:28.35 | A1win | time to open the editor again... now where was I xO |
| 12:28.55 | A1win | ah... the game mode |
| 12:29.01 | JademusSreg | A1, that reminds me, I wanted to look at your script. =D |
| 12:29.28 | A1win | did you swallow some poison that you want out as fast as possible D: |
| 12:29.59 | JademusSreg | Haha, naw. |
| 12:30.03 | A1win | I'm still using GUI :x |
| 12:30.18 | A1win | and there are no comments |
| 12:31.05 | JademusSreg | Won't be an issue. I'm interested in looking at the program logic and math you employ. |
| 12:31.29 | A1win | mmh |
| 12:33.36 | A1win | let me know when you've downloaded it |
| 12:33.40 | JademusSreg | Thanks. |
| 12:33.43 | JademusSreg | And done. |
| 12:33.44 | G0A | We are the JademusSreg. We will add your logic and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile. |
| 12:33.54 | JademusSreg | Yes, precisely. |
| 12:33.58 | A1win | the script is not as well organized as it should :P |
| 12:34.07 | A1win | didn't really make any plans for it |
| 12:34.40 | G0A | I hate when I cant read my own handwriting |
| 12:35.11 | G0A | wow and just I typed that I managed to crack my handwriting |
| 12:35.12 | JademusSreg | No worries. If I see anything which would be benefit significantly from optimizing, I'll let you know; I won't bother to enumerate minor shit. |
| 12:35.21 | A1win | hehe |
| 12:35.34 | A1win | the math is quite simple now that I'm using an array for gravity |
| 12:35.51 | A1win | basically just adding velocities |
| 12:41.22 | A1win | hmm collisions might not be optimal enough yet |
| 12:42.26 | A1win | and the script for them is a bit scattered |
| 12:43.18 | zenx | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oie1ZXWceqM&feature=youtu.be |
| 12:43.21 | zenx | uh that looks neat |
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| 12:43.46 | Eldrazor | only 1.4k to go on scu |
| 12:43.56 | JademusSreg | Don't worry, you won't be graded. And I understand how messy code can get. |
| 12:44.12 | A1win | haha |
| 12:44.44 | A1win | yeah just letting you know of possible problematic areas if you want to try putting some sense to them |
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| 12:45.02 | JademusSreg | Neat tech demo, zen. |
| 12:45.31 | zenx | btw |
| 12:45.31 | zenx | what if SCU was never released |
| 12:45.31 | zenx | would blizzard take over? |
| 12:45.31 | zenx | :E |
| 12:45.31 | zenx | probly not |
| 12:45.31 | Eldrazor | definitely not |
| 12:45.32 | zenx | they did promote it thou |
| 12:45.38 | Eldrazor | well, ofcourse |
| 12:45.39 | Eldrazor | if it gets out |
| 12:45.42 | zenx | so it would be interesting if it failed |
| 12:45.42 | Eldrazor | it's huge for sc2 modding |
| 12:45.51 | Eldrazor | if it's only a small difference |
| 12:46.05 | Eldrazor | blizz might give the remaining money |
| 12:46.06 | Eldrazor | i mean, they're rich as fuck, they can spare $1.4k |
| 12:46.13 | zenx | but you never know if they actually release the map |
| 12:46.33 | Eldrazor | i hope so |
| 12:46.36 | Eldrazor | it'd be great for modding |
| 12:46.51 | Eldrazor | i mean, i've never heard of a kickstarter for a mod |
| 12:46.52 | zenx | "great" |
| 12:47.00 | zenx | It wont affect a lot either way imo |
| 12:47.23 | JademusSreg | It's good PR for Blizzard, but no direct profit potential. |
| 12:47.44 | zenx | as I posted of forums |
| 12:48.12 | zenx | since you see same top10 maps for 3 years, it feels kinda bad |
| 12:48.29 | zenx | but whatever |
| 12:49.03 | JademusSreg | I wouldn't know; I hardly get on bnet. |
| 12:49.15 | Eldrazor | well, it's kind of like wc3 days, where there's always wintermaul wars, other mauls, loads of tower defenses, and DotA |
| 12:49.23 | G0A | zenx there is a new map in top 10... |
| 12:49.37 | G0A | something with husky... |
| 12:49.38 | Eldrazor | as long as i get to play my own map with other people i'm happy ^^ |
| 12:49.50 | zenx | its good enough |
| 12:49.53 | zenx | but could be better |
| 12:49.57 | zenx | not much progress from wc3 |
| 12:50.17 | G0A | well in wc3 you could fill a lobby much faster |
| 12:50.34 | G0A | (or I was just clever with naming lobbies:) ) |
| 12:50.56 | A1win | just because a map is in the top10 most played doesn't mean those are the top10 maps of all time, some maps might be super awesome when you play them once but lack replay value... like if it's a map with a story or whatever |
| 12:51.36 | A1win | ...dunno if there are any though ;p |
| 12:51.48 | A1win | last time I played something on arcade was like... before arcade |
| 12:51.49 | A1win | D: |
| 12:52.21 | zenx | A1win: exactly |
| 12:52.55 | zenx | I had something to say |
| 12:52.57 | zenx | but forgot |
| 12:52.57 | zenx | :D |
| 12:53.28 | A1win | a game can be better than another game even if you don't play it as much |
| 12:53.38 | A1win | it can give you better memories than the other one :P |
| 12:54.08 | A1win | well I guess there's the rating system too |
| 12:54.37 | A1win | dunno if people consider replay value when rating maps though |
| 12:54.52 | Eldrazor | probably not |
| 12:54.53 | JademusSreg | researches the viability of implementing PCRE or similar regex systems in galaxy. |
| 12:55.00 | Eldrazor | but replayable maps have way higher chance of getting in the top |
| 12:55.14 | G0A | arghs what is the terrain texture size / ingame grid ratio |
| 12:55.16 | Eldrazor | if there's an awesome co-op RPG with innovative mechanics and a great story, it's probably only fun for once |
| 12:55.34 | A1win | mm |
| 12:55.57 | JademusSreg | Eld, which is why one must pair it with procedural content. |
| 12:56.34 | Eldrazor | depends on what you want |
| 12:56.35 | JademusSreg | Goa, since texuvset defines the tiling rate by scale, it's not fixed. |
| 12:56.42 | Eldrazor | i don't need my maps to be popular, really |
| 12:56.59 | A1win | JademusSreg, the point was that a game doesn't *have* to have good replay value to be considered good |
| 12:57.12 | JademusSreg | Ah, my mistake. |
| 12:58.01 | JademusSreg | Though I figure if it is good, I'd like the motivation to continue playing, by way of more content diversity. |
| 12:58.13 | A1win | mm |
| 12:58.23 | A1win | just a lot of work to implement something like that :x |
| 12:59.09 | JademusSreg | To do it well, haha, yeah, but work or difficulty are not themselves sufficient cause to -not- do something. |
| 13:00.12 | A1win | some things you just can't generate procedurally, like interesting characters and a plot |
| 13:00.33 | JademusSreg | I disagree. |
| 13:00.42 | JademusSreg | But no one said it would be easy. |
| 13:00.46 | A1win | hehe |
| 13:01.04 | A1win | well let's just say no one has yet done it well ;p |
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| 13:02.27 | A1win | I used to brainstorm ideas for all kinds of procedural generation with a friend of mine, haven't done much of it lately though |
| 13:02.29 | JademusSreg | Plots are exceedingly easy; all plots are a configuration of relationships and actions over time. The most primitive approach would be to take plot templates and string them together arbitrarily. |
| 13:02.42 | A1win | we didn't really prototype anything so eventually we ran out of ideas |
| 13:03.50 | A1win | I mean out of ideas to discuss, there's plenty to prototype ;p |
| 13:04.20 | JademusSreg | Characters are more difficult, especially if you want them to be believable. But provided the plot takes priority, the characters can simply be given the traits that satisfying the logical antecedents required by the plot. |
| 13:05.25 | A1win | Mass Effect 2 has the most interesting characters I've seen in a game, can't really imagine how that could be generated procedurally |
| 13:05.35 | A1win | voice acting is very important |
| 13:05.39 | JademusSreg | Sounds like a failure of imagination. |
| 13:05.44 | A1win | haha |
| 13:06.13 | JademusSreg | Ah, see, we didn't even get to presentation, and that -is- obscenely difficult. |
| 13:06.32 | JademusSreg | Communication, specifically. |
| 13:07.01 | A1win | well it's all part of the "generator" in the end ;p |
| 13:07.34 | A1win | damn I was supposed to continue working on this map :X |
| 13:08.03 | Eldrazor | considering no large team has even tried to do procedural storytelling, i doubt it's possible for a 1-man team to get it working properly |
| 13:08.28 | A1win | I don't think a large team would do much good for that |
| 13:08.41 | JademusSreg | Your confidence in the proposition is irrelevant. |
| 13:08.45 | JademusSreg | But for the sake of the mental exercise, assume either the presentation is rudimentary and abstract or has been otherwise solved. |
| 13:11.16 | A1win | the worst part about procedural generation is the moment you notice a reoccurrence of some particular feature, followed by the moment you finally have a good understanding of everything that can possibly be generated |
| 13:13.02 | A1win | if everything has an equal chance of being generated, the player's understanding of the generator expands faster than if the generation is somehow restricted to "categories" |
| 13:13.03 | JademusSreg | From the deconstruction, one grasps the components and can, at least conceptually, understand how those components would be structured. For sufficient diversity, one needs as broad a set of primitive elements as possible, which can themselves be generated. |
| 13:17.38 | JademusSreg | Plot {Events {Relations:Agents {AgentProperties}}} The plot contains a sequence of events, events contain relationships between agents, agents contain the properties which are logically necessitated by the plot. |
| 13:18.27 | JademusSreg | This is far easier than the inverse, character-driven emergent narratives. |
| 13:20.35 | JademusSreg | But on the plus side, presentation of a plot-driven procedural narrative doesn't require more sophistication than communication between entities in the Sims or Scribblenauts. |
| 13:20.50 | A1win | mmh... if these objective items spawn randomly on planets, it'd be very random who happens to be the closest to one when it spawns unless there's a notice before the item spawns |
| 13:21.10 | A1win | also wondering if I should have more than one objective item spawn at the same time |
| 13:21.18 | A1win | or have everyone fight over just one |
| 13:21.28 | JademusSreg | A1, spawn them at the furthest point from everyone? |
| 13:25.46 | A1win | I'm always skeptical about mechanics that depend on the positioning of players for no logical reason |
| 13:26.17 | A1win | sceptical even |
| 13:26.24 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 13:26.38 | JademusSreg | It was correct the first time. |
| 13:26.42 | A1win | was it? |
| 13:26.50 | A1win | oh |
| 13:26.57 | A1win | dictionary says both are correct |
| 13:27.19 | A1win | so when I wondered if the first one was correct, I checked dictionary for the alternative spelling |
| 13:27.29 | A1win | and because it found it, I thought the first one must have been wrong :P |
| 13:27.34 | JademusSreg | But it's a fair objection; there's no in-context reason it should suddenly appear far away. Or suddenly appear at all. |
| 13:28.32 | JademusSreg | Which suggests their positions should be predetermined and distributed, if not already revealed. |
| 13:28.44 | A1win | mm... hmm |
| 13:29.26 | A1win | yeah when I got rid of ships randomly appearing on planets (dying and respawning) the game suddenly felt a lot more err... what's the word |
| 13:29.36 | A1win | like... coherent |
| 13:29.45 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 13:30.13 | G0A | JademusSreg it seems like there is noway to texture terrain according the placement grid (you can only grid it with bigger squares or smaller): http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/requests/24057-could-someone-make-a-grid-texture-for-me/ |
| 13:30.16 | A1win | so maybe I shouldn't introduce stuff randomly appearing either |
| 13:30.38 | A1win | maybe all the objective items are already there, but become randomly active or something |
| 13:31.40 | A1win | maybe even so that at first a lot of them become active at the same time and then less and less towards the end |
| 13:32.26 | JademusSreg | Goa, they didn't even know about texuvset, sooo I wouldn't take that discussion at face value. |
| 13:32.45 | A1win | so at first players have a better chance at scoring without much skill (because they don't need to fight over the items so much) and the longer the game goes on, the more they need to fight |
| 13:33.00 | G0A | problem is with texuvset that it applies to all textures... |
| 13:33.10 | JademusSreg | How is that problematic? |
| 13:33.23 | G0A | I dont want to remake my terrain:D |
| 13:33.27 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 13:33.53 | JademusSreg | "How can I accomplish something without actually doing anything?" =D |
| 13:34.01 | G0A | exactly |
| 13:34.34 | JademusSreg | A1, makes sense. |
| 13:35.33 | JademusSreg | Or alternately scale the activations based on player performance in such a way that they prefer to activate closer to players who are further behind. |
| 13:35.51 | A1win | hmm |
| 13:36.04 | JademusSreg | Weighted, not absolute, of course. |
| 13:37.02 | JademusSreg | It may seem like a cheap mechanic, but it assists in pacing. |
| 13:37.05 | G0A | actually texuvset doesnt really make my terrain look so bad |
| 13:37.38 | A1win | yeah it should be fine |
| 13:37.46 | A1win | just wondering about how to present the activation and stuff |
| 13:38.03 | JademusSreg | A nova. |
| 13:38.20 | JademusSreg | Think of it like a minimap ping, only not on the minimap. |
| 13:38.54 | JademusSreg | The shockwave informs players where it's located. |
| 13:39.34 | A1win | also I'm not sure if the items should work so that they orbit a planet and you pick them up by landing on them, or if the planet itself should be the objective so that you just land wherever on the planet and must remain stationary for a few seconds |
| 13:40.43 | A1win | the latter would make it more difficult to score if someone is shooting at you, but at the same time would make it easier to land without someone being there to shoot at you :P |
| 13:40.51 | A1win | since they wouldn't know where you are going to land |
| 13:41.28 | JademusSreg | If not stationary, perhaps you need to defend a little extractor for n seconds. |
| 13:41.52 | JademusSreg | Or perhaps you have a special tool for extraction. |
| 13:41.59 | A1win | mmh... |
| 13:42.32 | JademusSreg | Stationary is generally not desirable, so I'd strongly avoid it. |
| 13:42.47 | A1win | well I mean only like 3-5 seconds |
| 13:43.01 | A1win | just enough time to give others a chance to blow you away |
| 13:43.19 | A1win | ...which reminds me that you currently can't blow anyone away if they're sitting on a planet :P |
| 13:43.25 | JademusSreg | The same could be said of an extraction beam. |
| 13:43.44 | JademusSreg | While you're using it, you can move, but you can't fight. |
| 13:44.01 | A1win | hmm |
| 13:44.13 | JademusSreg | So you're vulnerable, but not passive, and that's better gameplay. |
| 13:44.22 | Kueken | you could extract the enemys testicles |
| 13:44.34 | JademusSreg | Yes, you might get hungry later. |
| 13:44.45 | A1win | so basically you'd fly around a planet holding down some extraction button and it'd create a beam onto the planet |
| 13:44.55 | Eldrazor | ok |
| 13:44.58 | Eldrazor | does anyone have a clue |
| 13:45.00 | A1win | and if you get blown too far, the beam is interrupted |
| 13:45.02 | JademusSreg | That's roughly what I imagined. |
| 13:45.04 | Eldrazor | why having the Queue (5) ability on a unit |
| 13:45.06 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 13:45.15 | Eldrazor | makes it unable to train stuff like a larva does |
| 13:45.20 | Eldrazor | it just goes into egg |
| 13:45.22 | Eldrazor | and stays there |
| 13:45.23 | Eldrazor | forever |
| 13:45.26 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 13:45.39 | JademusSreg | I'll check the data, but that is hilarious. |
| 13:45.50 | A1win | I guess so that only one player can extract at a time... |
| 13:45.58 | Kueken | these egg transformations had some ridiculous behavior |
| 13:46.00 | JademusSreg | "Ah, nope, not coming out. Just gonna stay safe in this egg with 20 armor." |
| 13:46.11 | A1win | could highlight the planet or a part of it with that player's color |
| 13:46.16 | Eldrazor | so weird |
| 13:46.20 | Eldrazor | larva has Queue (1) |
| 13:46.27 | Kueken | for example not only must the train ability be available on the egg as well, it also has to be added to the command card for some reason |
| 13:46.42 | Kueken | so it probably also needs the same queue |
| 13:47.02 | Eldrazor | mmh |
| 13:47.04 | Eldrazor | it might be the egg |
| 13:47.17 | Kueken | try giving the egg the queue (5) |
| 13:48.00 | A1win | errm... there's nothing to stop a player from landing on the planet to extract though |
| 13:48.09 | JademusSreg | I see. |
| 13:48.12 | Kueken | you could stop him |
| 13:48.39 | Kueken | like extraction is only possible with beam from orbit |
| 13:48.40 | JademusSreg | The queues need to match between the morph and the morph container/surrogate. |
| 13:48.53 | Eldrazor | yeah, giving the egg queue(5) fixes |
| 13:49.01 | A1win | Kueken, yeah just wondering if it makes sense that landing on the planet stops the extraction |
| 13:49.28 | JademusSreg | *morpher (not morphee) |
| 13:49.43 | JademusSreg | Actually, that probably doesn't clarify anything. |
| 13:49.44 | Kueken | high- erm... queue(5)s the egg |
| 13:49.48 | A1win | and it might be annoying to get interrupted by accidentally landing |
| 13:49.52 | JademusSreg | Hah |
| 13:50.19 | JademusSreg | But yeah, Zergling and BanelingCocoon also share que1. |
| 13:50.31 | Kueken | A1win: you could say that extraction beam is a lot more efficient and landing and extracting manually takes more time, but is safer |
| 13:51.06 | A1win | well landing is still practially on "orbit", the ships never touch the planet itself |
| 13:51.30 | Kueken | but... you cannot use the extraction beam from close distance! |
| 13:51.37 | Kueken | man, do you even think?! |
| 13:51.52 | Kueken | :p |
| 13:51.54 | A1win | but the point is, if you land, no one can do anything to you because there's no dying :x |
| 13:52.11 | JademusSreg | Forcing the extractor to break off, such as through combat or knocking it away should be sufficient. |
| 13:52.22 | A1win | I guess I should just make it so that if you're landed, all knockbacks just make you auto-jump off the planet |
| 13:52.32 | A1win | hmm |
| 13:52.36 | JademusSreg | Additional mechanics to complicate the process are unnecessary, I expect. |
| 13:52.37 | A1win | or yeah maybe just interrupt it on damage |
| 13:53.04 | A1win | or both... |
| 13:53.06 | A1win | hmm |
| 13:53.31 | A1win | I guess if you take damage when your shields are already down, or if you get knocked back too far |
| 13:53.34 | A1win | that should be enough |
| 13:54.16 | Kueken | or if someone starts extracting your ship |
| 13:55.36 | A1win | hmm |
| 13:55.44 | A1win | the time it takes to extract a planet could decrease over time |
| 13:55.57 | A1win | so it can be completely random which planet activates |
| 13:56.07 | A1win | and have it take like 10 sec at first |
| 13:56.20 | A1win | everyone has time to fly over there and interrupt the first player |
| 13:57.04 | A1win | err it only takes like 1-2 sec to fly through this entire planet cluster so not even 10 sec ;p |
| 13:57.40 | A1win | alright time to do some actual work then <.< |
| 13:58.00 | A1win | or can anyone think of anything more to keep me from starting D: |
| 13:58.12 | Eldrazor | for a Train ability type, I presume i'll need the "Build" effect events for a trigger to trigger? |
| 14:00.09 | JademusSreg | TriggerAddEventUnitTrainProgress (trigger t, unitref u, int stage); |
| 14:00.17 | Eldrazor | i use GUI :( |
| 14:00.46 | JademusSreg | Yeah, but galaxy / GUI feature parity is close to equal. |
| 14:01.09 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, when I post script, there's usually a GUI version. |
| 14:01.46 | Eldrazor | oh, you're right |
| 14:01.58 | Eldrazor | completely different event type |
| 14:02.05 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 14:08.28 | Eldrazor | hmm |
| 14:08.47 | Eldrazor | how would i go about setting the unit's relative health to the egg's relative health once it's done training? |
| 14:08.58 | Eldrazor | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.00 | Eldrazor | is what i did |
| 14:09.04 | Eldrazor | but it kills the final unit instantly |
| 14:16.07 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 14:18.30 | Eldrazor | exactly |
| 14:19.10 | Eldrazor | worst case scenario i can save the HP of the unit at the start of the morph, and apply the HP at the end |
| 14:19.31 | Eldrazor | but that's not really ideal |
| 14:21.27 | JademusSreg | I expect there is a data-based solution. Just need to check my references. |
| 14:22.03 | Bommes | SCU looks like its going to get funded :) cool stuff |
| 14:22.30 | Bommes | only 500$ in 34 hours left |
| 14:23.28 | Dustin | I can't believe that |
| 14:23.29 | Dustin | wow |
| 14:29.47 | Eldrazor | awesome |
| 14:29.55 | Eldrazor | i figured there was some data-based solution |
| 14:29.58 | Eldrazor | you'd think flags or something |
| 14:31.05 | Eldrazor | but can't find anything |
| 14:32.40 | JademusSreg | I don't see anything in the xml. Guess I'll run the editor. |
| 14:34.10 | Eldrazor | :mmh |
| 14:34.11 | Eldrazor | i have an idea |
| 14:34.20 | Eldrazor | if i enable the flag "kill on complete" |
| 14:34.23 | Eldrazor | disable* |
| 14:34.28 | Eldrazor | and manually kill |
| 14:34.39 | Eldrazor | should fix |
| 14:36.30 | Eldrazor | yeah, looks like this works |
| 14:38.43 | Eldrazor | now |
| 14:38.52 | Eldrazor | how does one move inventory items from 1 to another? |
| 14:38.59 | JademusSreg | Painfully. |
| 14:40.52 | Eldrazor | i don't see any actions to move from 1 inventory to another |
| 14:41.11 | Eldrazor | you can move around within 1 unit among different inventories |
| 14:42.15 | JademusSreg | As I recall, usually there are orders involved. Rather inelegant. |
| 14:42.41 | JademusSreg | But perhaps there is a way. |
| 14:42.52 | Eldrazor | well, you can create items in inventories |
| 14:42.54 | Eldrazor | so that would be one way |
| 14:43.07 | Eldrazor | but i prefer transferring the actual items |
| 14:43.08 | JademusSreg | Gross. |
| 14:43.10 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 14:43.20 | Eldrazor | in case i ever want to do fancy stuff like use their health |
| 14:45.09 | JademusSreg | One could get the inventory container of unit B, iterate across the inventory unitgroup of unit A, for each item unit move to unit B's container. |
| 14:45.40 | JademusSreg | Might work, based on what I see in the API, but since I've not worked with items extensively, I'm not certain. |
| 14:46.29 | Eldrazor | the problem is |
| 14:46.40 | Eldrazor | there's nothing in the triggers for moving items across units |
| 14:46.49 | Eldrazor | you can only move items around within a single unit |
| 14:47.11 | JademusSreg | My proposal may solve that. |
| 14:47.21 | JademusSreg | But I'm not certain. |
| 14:50.41 | Eldrazor | so |
| 14:50.45 | Eldrazor | how would i move something to unit B's container? |
| 14:51.19 | Kueken | destroy, recreate? |
| 14:51.45 | Eldrazor | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.52 | Eldrazor | anything within <> is modifyable |
| 14:52.00 | Kueken | not sure if move from unit to unit even exists outside of orders |
| 14:52.16 | Kueken | and I am not sure, if you can issue the order to give the item via trigger |
| 14:52.19 | Eldrazor | i want to keep the possibility to save data on items |
| 14:52.22 | Kueken | but I think its an order? |
| 14:52.25 | Kueken | in wc3 it was... |
| 14:52.27 | Kueken | dunno |
| 14:52.28 | Eldrazor | what order is it |
| 14:52.31 | Eldrazor | i can't find it anywhere :/ |
| 14:52.43 | Kueken | you can make a trigger print orders |
| 14:52.47 | JademusSreg | Ah, but what is the container? Is the index unit-scoped or global-scoped? |
| 14:53.11 | Kueken | unit, afaik |
| 14:53.16 | Eldrazor | i think so too |
| 14:54.01 | JademusSreg | native int UnitInventoryContainer (unit inUnit); |
| 14:54.08 | JademusSreg | It's rather ambiguous. |
| 14:54.17 | Kueken | when I messed with data inventory, my result was that its not worth it and I would rather use dialogs, if I need it again |
| 14:55.10 | JademusSreg | If the parameter is the unit with the inventory, then my approach should work. If it's the unit inside the inventory, that's shitty. |
| 14:55.34 | Eldrazor | pretty sure it's the unit inside the inventory |
| 14:55.42 | Eldrazor | considering there's an action very similar to that in the GUI |
| 14:55.43 | Kueken | ^ |
| 14:55.51 | Eldrazor | and yes, it's shitty |
| 14:56.12 | JademusSreg | If I weren't busy, I'd test this shit. Guess I'll tend to it later. |
| 14:56.17 | Eldrazor | how do you get a name of an order? |
| 14:56.28 | JademusSreg | Name? As in text? |
| 14:56.32 | Eldrazor | yeah |
| 14:56.37 | JademusSreg | Er. |
| 14:56.38 | Eldrazor | i wanna find out how i order the thing to drop an item |
| 14:56.43 | Kueken | there were several libraries attempting to expand functions concerning inventory items |
| 14:56.46 | Eldrazor | and kueken said that i could check |
| 14:56.55 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 14:56.59 | Kueken | order is always an ability |
| 14:57.00 | JademusSreg | That's wc3 thinking. |
| 14:57.15 | Kueken | order always has an abilcmd associated |
| 14:57.40 | Kueken | so it could, in theory, be an order of the inventory ability |
| 14:57.55 | Kueken | it could also be completely different |
| 14:58.37 | Eldrazor | the inventory ability has no orders |
| 14:58.38 | Eldrazor | that's like |
| 14:58.43 | Eldrazor | a problem |
| 14:58.45 | JademusSreg | Sure it does. |
| 14:58.52 | JademusSreg | Commands. |
| 14:58.56 | JademusSreg | index Drop. |
| 14:59.02 | Kueken | anyway, to check, you can make a trigger that triggers when any unit is issued an order, then do something like OrderGetAbilCmd -> AbilCmdGetAbility -> AbilityGetID |
| 14:59.10 | Kueken | or however these functions were called again |
| 14:59.39 | A1win | there's at least the Interact ability that can't be detected by triggers at all, maybe the inventory has the same problem? |
| 14:59.52 | Eldrazor | mmh |
| 14:59.53 | Kueken | certainly possible |
| 14:59.54 | JademusSreg | Dear void. |
| 14:59.55 | Eldrazor | i think i figured something out |
| 14:59.59 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 15:00.34 | Eldrazor | now, to find the inventory ability |
| 15:00.36 | Eldrazor | in the triggers |
| 15:00.57 | Kueken | otherwise, items are still units, maybe you can use stuff like MoveUnitInstantly to rip them out of the inventory :D |
| 15:01.10 | Eldrazor | still gonna have to order the new unit to pick it up |
| 15:01.17 | Kueken | no idea how to get them into the other inventory in this case |
| 15:01.26 | Kueken | yeah, issue smart, maybe? |
| 15:01.51 | Kueken | not sure if thats even possible |
| 15:02.47 | Eldrazor | so unwieldy :( |
| 15:03.53 | Eldrazor | managed to rip them out |
| 15:07.07 | Eldrazor | it's picking stuff up |
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| 15:20.56 | Eldrazor | such an ugly way of doing this :( |
| 15:21.57 | Eldrazor | http://pastebin.com/km9PGEYM |
| 15:22.00 | Eldrazor | but hey, it works |
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| 15:27.58 | Eldrazor | it's really ugly :( |
| 15:33.50 | Kueken | smart command actually works? xd |
| 15:33.58 | Eldrazor | yeah |
| 15:34.01 | Eldrazor | but it's too ugly for me |
| 15:34.02 | Eldrazor | like |
| 15:34.08 | Eldrazor | you actually see the items being dropped & picked up |
| 15:34.10 | Kueken | did you try to find these item utility libraries? maybe they contain something useful |
| 15:34.21 | Eldrazor | i did, but they contain nothing like transferring items |
| 15:35.23 | Eldrazor | i'll just copy them |
| 15:35.30 | Eldrazor | i'll have to figure out other ways to save data in items then |
| 15:38.04 | Eldrazor | i wonder why blizz didn't add anything like this... |
| 15:38.10 | Eldrazor | seems like such a simple thing to do |
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| 16:01.15 | Dustin | scu hit it's 80k |
| 16:01.35 | Dustin | Eldrazor, |
| 16:01.58 | Dustin | Items are just Units, use my Unit Indexing Library and atach a record to the item to store data about it |
| 16:07.34 | A1win | ooh just need to add a sound effect, make damage interrupt capture and add a victory condition on certain number of captures and this should be ready for testing D: |
| 16:07.45 | Dustin | wooot! |
| 16:08.02 | A1win | hmm damn forgot about minimap, need to assign those icons to planets and make them change color... |
| 16:08.39 | A1win | and disallow shooting while capturing |
| 16:08.40 | A1win | and and and |
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| 16:11.00 | ObsceneGaul | How is everyones monday going? |
| 16:12.16 | Eldrazor | pretty gud |
| 16:14.41 | ObsceneGaul | jademus fetch me a new lacky |
| 16:19.51 | A1win | can I modify the appearance of a range actor in any other way than setting its visibility on/off? |
| 16:20.00 | A1win | in-game that is |
| 16:20.21 | A1win | opacity did nothing |
| 16:24.21 | G0A | tint color should work since the latest patch or it only works if you set it in data? |
| 16:26.36 | A1win | hmm |
| 16:27.52 | A1win | yeah it work |
| 16:27.53 | A1win | s |
| 16:28.01 | A1win | didn't see that patch note |
| 16:29.19 | A1win | this capture mechanic is pretty neat o: |
| 16:30.00 | G0A | A1win at which map night will we have chance to finally play your map? |
| 16:30.22 | A1win | dunno, it still has only two weapons so might be a while |
| 16:32.05 | duckies | Speaking of mapnight, Goa, you're with us this friday? :D |
| 16:33.21 | G0A | most likely |
| 16:33.37 | G0A | also there will be NA map night this week. |
| 16:35.08 | G0A | I might make my map playable this time:D |
| 16:35.54 | duckies | do so! :> |
| 16:36.08 | duckies | but only if they're cool :< |
| 16:36.18 | duckies | if not - work some more :D |
| 16:37.18 | G0A | its far from cool |
| 16:37.40 | duckies | damn it! |
| 16:37.46 | G0A | fucking annoying that I have to work around that you cant add abilities to units in game and there is 32 max ability limit |
| 16:38.28 | G0A | Also I play more and more my Entropy TD :) |
| 16:38.35 | Dustin | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oie1ZXWceqM&feature=youtu.be |
| 16:38.37 | duckies | yeah, I needed to make a bunch of dummy abilities and do catalog work to achieve that, and even then it's not as flexible as I'd want ;/ |
| 16:38.38 | Dustin | Wooooah |
| 16:39.57 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a51/SC2%202013-09-09%2019-38-37-50.jpg |
| 16:39.58 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a51/SC2%202013-09-09%2019-38-39-55.jpg |
| 16:40.12 | A1win | mmh for some reason that beam sometimes goes inside the model and sometimes shows through it |
| 16:40.41 | G0A | duckies yeah |
| 16:42.17 | G0A | A1win offset launch |
| 16:42.27 | A1win | hmm? |
| 16:42.43 | A1win | the beam is attached from the ship's origin to the planet's origin |
| 16:43.33 | ObsceneGaul | this sucks... I will be sooo happy when I get my glasses.... I cant even map, all I can do is make lame jokes and check on Vailreth progress :P |
| 16:43.36 | A1win | it's created with a script |
| 16:43.38 | G0A | attach site ops, and find an actor with "higher" |
| 16:43.59 | Vailreth | hello |
| 16:44.02 | A1win | seems it only shows through the planet on the first time I launch the map from the editor |
| 16:44.14 | A1win | if the game is already on when I launch the map, it works correctly |
| 16:44.17 | A1win | some kinda graphics glitch |
| 16:44.32 | A1win | maybe it'll work correctly on bnet |
| 16:44.40 | G0A | probably not:D |
| 16:44.56 | A1win | well you don't launch maps on bnet without having the game on already |
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| 16:51.09 | G0A | I love my grid texture, finally after hours of sucking with it: http://www.image-share.com/ijpg-2272-89.html |
| 16:51.19 | Eldrazor | G0A, what are you using as a workaround? |
| 16:51.39 | G0A | ? |
| 16:51.45 | Necromoni | nice texture |
| 16:51.51 | Eldrazor | for 32 ability limit |
| 16:52.09 | Necromoni | add/remove |
| 16:52.11 | Necromoni | diff units |
| 16:52.17 | G0A | Terrain Types: Tiling Frequency :) |
| 16:52.46 | G0A | or you can write into the console: texuvset |
| 16:53.05 | Eldrazor | [18:37] <G0A> fucking annoying that I have to work around that you cant add abilities to units in game and there is 32 max ability limit |
| 16:53.17 | G0A | ohh that 32 limit:) |
| 16:53.26 | Necromoni | ? |
| 16:53.29 | Necromoni | u can |
| 16:53.30 | Necromoni | o nvm |
| 16:53.32 | G0A | I use what duckies do |
| 16:53.33 | Necromoni | lol |
| 16:53.45 | Necromoni | with triggers |
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| 16:54.21 | G0A | I have now 2 abilities one for instant and for target, and I use switch effect which is set by catalog... |
| 16:54.38 | duckies | btw goa |
| 16:54.42 | Eldrazor | eh |
| 16:54.44 | Eldrazor | kk |
| 16:54.45 | Eldrazor | ty |
| 16:55.02 | duckies | I found a cool thing, you can replace abilities effects via "replace link" catalog function |
| 16:55.14 | G0A | FUCK |
| 16:55.24 | G0A | WHY DIDNT YOU SAY THAT A WEEK AGO:) |
| 16:55.45 | duckies | didn't find anything else replaceable though, so had to arrange costs through get/set |
| 16:55.46 | G0A | I was even wondering what that is doing a long time ago |
| 16:56.11 | G0A | thats still far better than I have currently.D |
| 16:56.43 | duckies | yea, I also had to redo stuff when I found it :D |
| 16:57.34 | G0A | you cant use replace link on command card or unit ability list?:) |
| 16:57.56 | duckies | not back when I tried it |
| 16:58.24 | duckies | also, each ability has cursor splat, but those that target point/unit instead of area have search effect set to search to 0.001 so it's invisible |
| 16:58.39 | duckies | helps stramlining abil, but you probably found it out already |
| 16:58.56 | G0A | nope I didnt:D |
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| 16:59.04 | G0A | I am not that far with it:) |
| 16:59.38 | G0A | though I knew some do that |
| 17:00.22 | duckies | well, now you have that in mind when making abilities :D |
| 17:01.00 | G0A | first I wont make any ability, I will just add the melee abilities with some modification:) |
| 17:01.34 | duckies | you mean passive stuff? |
| 17:01.55 | G0A | passive + not passive |
| 17:02.05 | G0A | btw how do you add passive?:) |
| 17:02.34 | JademusSreg | duck, what about the command card shit? |
| 17:02.43 | duckies | I have not come to that point yet... I think before that I'll make 8 more dummy abilities for toggleable abils :D |
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| 17:02.51 | duckies | what about it? |
| 17:03.03 | zenx | duckies: time for |
| 17:03.06 | zenx | honey water |
| 17:03.31 | JademusSreg | Have you tested replacing command card button links? =D |
| 17:03.58 | duckies | hm |
| 17:04.15 | G0A | I tried it but not with replace link |
| 17:04.47 | G0A | though it had the same error as when I tried to replace effects of abilities |
| 17:04.53 | duckies | I remember trying to replace everything with replace links and being dissapointed with not finding any more use for it |
| 17:05.09 | G0A | :D |
| 17:05.34 | G0A | also I tried to change command card buttons position and that was restricted too |
| 17:06.01 | duckies | There was even some old tutorial on mapster about adding new abils/buttons to units |
| 17:06.06 | duckies | but it's from beta times |
| 17:06.15 | duckies | and it doesn't work D: |
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| 17:07.55 | MoonEater | hola |
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| 17:13.13 | MoonEater | jade |
| 17:13.19 | MoonEater | how do i stack weapons? |
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| 17:14.42 | ObsceneGaul | Mooneater, The question must be asked, why do you want to stack weapons? |
| 17:14.51 | ObsceneGaul | What are you trying to accomplish |
| 17:14.57 | MoonEater | Well i havea ship |
| 17:15.09 | MoonEater | kinda like a warship |
| 17:15.12 | MoonEater | but different |
| 17:15.24 | Bommes | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oie1ZXWceqM&feature=youtu.be hmmmmm |
| 17:15.33 | MoonEater | when i add a weapon battery i want the ship te gain a weapon |
| 17:15.45 | MoonEater | if he fills up his ship with them |
| 17:15.50 | MoonEater | then i want to give him alot |
| 17:16.22 | ObsceneGaul | Bommes is that really legit? |
| 17:16.44 | Dustin | yes |
| 17:17.00 | Dustin | I linked it earlier :) |
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| 17:19.52 | Bommes | I mean it does have a lot of limitations based on what they show in the video |
| 17:20.01 | Repo | New experimental map: LostPlanet RPG - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/lostplanet-rpg/ |
| 17:20.17 | Bommes | it really only works for cylindrical/box shaped objects |
| 17:20.19 | ObsceneGaul | yeah but it is still pretty cool |
| 17:20.21 | Bommes | still very impressive |
| 17:20.48 | ObsceneGaul | If this is expanded on then in 10-15 years this could be a way to easily model advanced things such as dragons,and other mythical creatures |
| 17:21.40 | MoonEater | i wouldnt do a tps personaly |
| 17:21.45 | MoonEater | but that because of lag |
| 17:21.49 | MoonEater | it gets bad sometimes |
| 17:22.04 | zenx | btw |
| 17:22.06 | zenx | Dustin: |
| 17:22.08 | zenx | wrong |
| 17:22.11 | zenx | ment to say duckies |
| 17:22.18 | zenx | so |
| 17:22.20 | duckies | yes! |
| 17:22.24 | zenx | you read dice? |
| 17:22.28 | zenx | thats quite nice too |
| 17:22.42 | zenx | seems interesting its got like 16 chapters |
| 17:22.42 | duckies | first time I hear about it |
| 17:22.44 | duckies | tell me more |
| 17:22.53 | zenx | dice: cube that changes everything |
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| 17:23.03 | zenx | another thing to read |
| 17:24.02 | duckies | where you're reading it on? |
| 17:24.16 | zenx | everywhere |
| 17:24.22 | zenx | kissmanga or something |
| 17:24.29 | zenx | I think all readers has it anyway |
| 17:24.50 | duckies | I meant the one that has vertical scroll |
| 17:25.04 | Repo | New announcement: The Curse of Tristram - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/the-curse-of-tristram/ |
| 17:25.09 | zenx | kissmanga |
| 17:25.22 | zenx | http://kissmanga.com/Manga/D-I-C-E |
| 17:25.47 | zenx | the last chapter was a bit meh...but hopefully it will continue to be good |
| 17:25.58 | MoonEater | that video |
| 17:26.09 | MoonEater | only works on bi-semetrical objects |
| 17:26.15 | MoonEater | it cant do people |
| 17:26.20 | Dustin | Omg |
| 17:26.33 | Dustin | Egod is on his Kickstarter kick again because SCU hit their goal lol |
| 17:26.44 | zenx | ahaha |
| 17:26.48 | zenx | that diablo map again? |
| 17:27.19 | MoonEater | well |
| 17:27.29 | Dustin | yaaa |
| 17:27.30 | MoonEater | egod trys t charge everyone for everything |
| 17:27.40 | Dustin | That's funny |
| 17:27.40 | zenx | I dunno, that egod guy sounds a bit fishy to me |
| 17:27.42 | MoonEater | he wanted to charge people for his "sprite engine" |
| 17:28.00 | Dustin | because he stole a bunch of my scripts from beta and uses them religiously for his "tps system" |
| 17:28.14 | zenx | jeesus the presentation |
| 17:28.17 | zenx | of his video |
| 17:28.18 | Dustin | umm, Im pretty sure I wrote his sprite system for him cause he couldnt do it lol |
| 17:28.25 | zenx | the voice makes my ears bleed already |
| 17:28.33 | zenx | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2019539111/the-curse-of-tristram |
| 17:29.22 | duckies | Riiight, 6.666 goal |
| 17:29.23 | MoonEater | has egod produced a viable map yet? |
| 17:29.27 | zenx | and its 6,666k yea |
| 17:29.30 | zenx | I was just thinking |
| 17:29.31 | zenx | so fishy |
| 17:29.34 | zenx | -_-' |
| 17:30.12 | Dustin | he has not |
| 17:30.30 | Dustin | he's clusterfucked the communitys work into some abominations of Zelda and Diablo |
| 17:30.48 | MoonEater | lol |
| 17:31.15 | zenx | I wana kickstart too but not sure if its even allowed in finland |
| 17:31.26 | zenx | I think I read somewhere its not |
| 17:31.29 | zenx | not sure why |
| 17:33.41 | MoonEater | blizzard |
| 17:33.44 | MoonEater | owns the game |
| 17:33.59 | MoonEater | u dont own shit u make and publish with blizzard |
| 17:34.01 | MoonEater | blizzard owns it |
| 17:34.06 | MoonEater | saysin the user agreement |
| 17:35.01 | duckies | yea zenx, I think only US based.. people/corps(?) could start kickstarter |
| 17:35.47 | MoonEater | it could be because it can cause a pyramid scheme |
| 17:35.48 | Dustin | I want to kickstart my boardgame/videogame hybrid, but im going to wait till I ahve a good prototype |
| 17:36.09 | zenx | If I had somekind of motivation to work on my rpg Im sure I would |
| 17:36.14 | zenx | but now its just... |
| 17:36.19 | zenx | not enough |
| 17:36.25 | zenx | so Ill make a new map |
| 17:36.55 | duckies | I want to kickstart nothing because I can't stand responsibility :D |
| 17:37.00 | duckies | oh wait, that's bad :/ |
| 17:37.42 | Eldrazor | i like the freedom of not having other people's money |
| 17:37.48 | A1win | mmh I need a shorter label for my leaderboard than "Crystals to Victory" that still tells the players what the leaderboard is for... or some other way to get the message through |
| 17:38.33 | zenx | you only got your reputation to lose on kickstarter |
| 17:38.55 | zenx | there is actually 2nd thing that keeps me on making the RPG |
| 17:39.00 | zenx | I need to clean up the code |
| 17:39.02 | zenx | god |
| 17:39.06 | duckies | =D |
| 17:39.07 | zenx | why did I let it get so messy |
| 17:39.10 | Eldrazor | a1win, can you put icons in the leaderboard name? |
| 17:39.13 | zenx | "ill do it tomorrow" |
| 17:39.20 | zenx | and I never did |
| 17:39.35 | A1win | maybe... but it might look weird |
| 17:39.48 | Dustin | Eldrazor, did you get my message about indexing your items? |
| 17:41.00 | Eldrazor | yeah, thanks |
| 17:41.05 | Eldrazor | might use it in the future |
| 17:41.11 | Eldrazor | don't need it right now, but i like to keep options open |
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| 17:46.56 | duckies | so, zenx, want to try out that egods map? |
| 17:47.06 | zenx | no |
| 17:47.08 | zenx | is it released? |
| 17:47.23 | duckies | yea, he uploaded 1st 2 parts |
| 17:47.36 | duckies | a few hours ago |
| 17:47.58 | zenx | if you look at the kickstarter |
| 17:48.03 | zenx | it says you need to have much much more |
| 17:48.06 | zenx | to have more acts |
| 17:48.07 | zenx | :D |
| 17:48.10 | zenx | what kind of bullshit |
| 17:48.33 | duckies | well, what can you expect from a guy who calls himself E-god? |
| 17:48.59 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 17:50.16 | Eldrazor | i doubt he will succeed |
| 17:51.02 | duckies | hell yeah, unskippable cutscenes, he knows what he's doing! |
| 17:51.34 | duckies | meh, I'm just grumpy cause his sense of aesthetics doesn't match mine, if he has one that is. |
| 17:54.51 | MoonEater | Jade how do i stack the same weapon on a unit |
| 17:55.11 | MoonEater | its kinda important cause i dont want to make 30 weapons and write scripts to switch them through |
| 17:55.13 | JademusSreg | Why the hell would you do that? |
| 17:55.26 | MoonEater | i have warship type shiip |
| 17:55.38 | Eldrazor | mmh |
| 17:55.41 | Eldrazor | would turrets work? |
| 17:55.51 | JademusSreg | Yeah, probably. |
| 17:56.01 | Eldrazor | or maybe something that increases the count of weapons |
| 17:56.13 | Eldrazor | the base sc2 reaper's attack fires twice |
| 17:56.20 | JademusSreg | Persistent effect. |
| 17:56.22 | Eldrazor | you can probably up that to 3, 4, etc. |
| 17:57.23 | MoonEater | well |
| 17:57.32 | MoonEater | i just want a loop |
| 17:57.46 | MoonEater | do i relly have to sort |
| 17:57.52 | MoonEater | all the weapons :/ |
| 17:57.54 | MoonEater | ? |
| 17:58.43 | JademusSreg | Dear merciless void, the Muzes weep for your design. |
| 18:00.11 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a51/SC2%202013-09-09%2020-59-26-98.jpg |
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| 18:00.45 | A1win | (leaderboard) |
| 18:01.04 | JademusSreg | Can't even guess to what you're refering there, but if you want copies of a weapon, either turrets or buffs. |
| 18:01.18 | MoonEater | Jade i couldnt shrink the move ability splat |
| 18:01.24 | MoonEater | it doesnt accept any numbers |
| 18:01.36 | MoonEater | ill have to ask someone to shrink it in editor |
| 18:01.45 | MoonEater | ;/ |
| 18:01.54 | JademusSreg | 1) It's not a splat, as I said previously. 2) Modify the actor or model data, as I said previously. |
| 18:02.26 | MoonEater | well thats the thing |
| 18:02.27 | MoonEater | u cant |
| 18:02.36 | MoonEater | it pulls it strait from m3 |
| 18:02.46 | MoonEater | the m3 needs to be edited itsel |
| 18:02.57 | MoonEater | theres no model intermediary |
| 18:03.09 | Eldrazor | i presume you've tried editing various stuff? |
| 18:04.25 | MoonEater | i dont have a 3ds or anything |
| 18:04.41 | MoonEater | brb |
| 18:04.44 | MoonEater | restarting |
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| 18:05.53 | MoonEater | hihi |
| 18:05.55 | MoonEater | ya |
| 18:05.58 | MoonEater | its gay |
| 18:06.00 | Eldrazor | i have 3ds, but no clue how to do anything in it |
| 18:06.04 | MoonEater | lol |
| 18:06.12 | MoonEater | i took classes in 3ds |
| 18:06.15 | MoonEater | but i dont have it |
| 18:06.18 | MoonEater | too expensive |
| 18:06.24 | Eldrazor | pirate |
| 18:06.24 | Eldrazor | ftw |
| 18:06.30 | duckies | ooh, so that's how it is, map 1= area1+den of evil, map 2 is 2nd area + blood rogue, totaling in about 15 min of wondering around staring at low-def blurred background. you had made the superrior choice zenx, you didn't miss much ;/ |
| 18:06.57 | zenx | hjaha |
| 18:07.06 | MoonEater | Eldrazor unfortunatly i dont want to get in trouble |
| 18:07.08 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a51/SC2%202013-09-09%2021-06-11-83.jpg |
| 18:07.12 | zenx | and it doesnt offer much more if it makes that 6,6k |
| 18:07.15 | MoonEater | some places in the world lack privacy |
| 18:07.28 | A1win | yay now I'm stuck refining my UI again <.< |
| 18:07.36 | Eldrazor | i can edit the stuff if you tell me what to do |
| 18:07.57 | duckies | to be honest it might be something if he dropped off that annoying gimmick ;/ |
| 18:08.32 | duckies | buut yea, I'll go read that dice thingy you linked, it looks cool |
| 18:09.01 | Dustin | A1win, what are those flying starports for |
| 18:09.21 | A1win | you can land on them (no collision) and you can equip new weapons there |
| 18:09.26 | Dustin | oh nice |
| 18:09.59 | A1win | while you're flying over them, they slow you down unless your thruster is active |
| 18:10.09 | A1win | so landing on them is very easy and not landing on them is easy as well |
| 18:10.23 | Dustin | Very cool idea |
| 18:10.34 | A1win | most of it was JademusSreg's idea |
| 18:10.36 | Dustin | When we testing this shit? :D |
| 18:10.39 | MoonEater | Eldrazor abit too complicated its more of a money see money do type program |
| 18:10.52 | A1win | he made that model reskin too |
| 18:11.03 | Eldrazor | but it's just scaling everything |
| 18:11.04 | A1win | though I'll probably want to change all the art at some point |
| 18:11.06 | Eldrazor | shouldn't be too hard |
| 18:11.31 | JademusSreg | Moon, change the scale of either CommandUIHarness or Confirmation. |
| 18:12.07 | Eldrazor | eh, my 3ds isn't working anyway :/ |
| 18:12.15 | JademusSreg | Confirmation would likely be safer of the two options. |
| 18:12.39 | JademusSreg | Of course, you'll want to propogate those changes to the child types. |
| 18:12.51 | MoonEater | ;/ |
| 18:13.14 | MoonEater | is it possible to change that stuff on the fly? |
| 18:13.16 | JademusSreg | It seems you have something in your eye. |
| 18:14.03 | JademusSreg | You're welcome to try, haha. |
| 18:14.54 | MoonEater | lolz |
| 18:14.58 | MoonEater | ill be back for that answer |
| 18:15.01 | JademusSreg | I mean, yes, it is possible, but explaining it would be exhausting. |
| 18:15.02 | MoonEater | im in class atm |
| 18:15.05 | MoonEater | ;/ |
| 18:23.19 | MoonEater | damnit |
| 18:23.34 | MoonEater | i shrunk most of the game to 1/10th its normal size |
| 18:23.39 | MoonEater | to make the map larger |
| 18:23.55 | MoonEater | but some areas |
| 18:24.09 | MoonEater | cant have 1/10th |
| 18:24.20 | MoonEater | the max is 1/2 |
| 18:24.30 | MoonEater | so i need to adjust the cursor for that area |
| 18:25.43 | JademusSreg | Yeah, actor region, use it to shrink confirmation actors in its area. |
| 18:26.28 | Bommes | duckies, zenx, have you guys watched the livestreams of him when he was in the process of creating the map? I don't have very high standards in my scripts and I'm sure I'm doing a lot of things very inefficiently... but even my toenails curled up a little bit :/ |
| 18:26.43 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:26.45 | zenx | no I have not |
| 18:27.38 | duckies | I remember a thread about optimization where he complained that he reached the limit and wouldn't work on map anymore cause of it |
| 18:27.42 | Bommes | by the way, TIL egod = e-god :O |
| 18:27.50 | duckies | :D |
| 18:28.20 | Bommes | yeah when I watched the livestream he just copy & pasted entire triggers with like 50 function calls each (which in the first place could have done with a single loop) |
| 18:28.44 | JademusSreg | I prefer ego or eggo. The latter is a brand of waffles, a delicious breakfast food. |
| 18:29.33 | Bommes | but whatever, everyone should do what they enjoy doing |
| 18:29.36 | MoonEater | thats a colen there buddy |
| 18:29.39 | MoonEater | not comma |
| 18:30.00 | MoonEater | dont act all detailed if ur not gona use proper grammar |
| 18:30.04 | JademusSreg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search/colen |
| 18:30.21 | JademusSreg | Moon, did you mean "colleen"? |
| 18:30.49 | G0A | hmm Black Robocop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dvLk2FrDyY :) |
| 18:30.58 | G0A | what a change:) |
| 18:31.12 | duckies | that's not a trailer, that's pretty much a short summary of a movie :D |
| 18:31.22 | duckies | no need to watch it anymore :D |
| 18:31.30 | MoonEater | wtf a black a robocob |
| 18:31.43 | MoonEater | nvm |
| 18:32.07 | G0A | duckies it will be an action movie, you should know the story without seeing the trailer |
| 18:32.31 | zenx | I hate trailers nowadays |
| 18:32.35 | zenx | why |
| 18:32.39 | zenx | would you show al lthe movie |
| 18:32.40 | zenx | ni trailer |
| 18:32.42 | duckies | btw, don't you find that black and red is kinda cheesy? wouldn't black and white be preferred in any scenario that aims to make at least some sense? |
| 18:32.46 | MoonEater | BATMAN CALLED HE WANTS HIS SUIT BACK! |
| 18:32.57 | duckies | it's like - hey! evil-agressive! |
| 18:33.48 | Kueken1 | damn, I thought black guy in badass suit |
| 18:33.54 | Kueken1 | but its just black suit |
| 18:33.56 | Kueken1 | boring |
| 18:34.08 | G0A | Its Cylons meet knight rider |
| 18:35.03 | MoonEater | no its robo cop |
| 18:35.09 | zenx | robo cock |
| 18:35.11 | MoonEater | older than knight rider |
| 18:35.17 | MoonEater | younger than cylons |
| 18:35.21 | MoonEater | well |
| 18:35.22 | MoonEater | older |
| 18:35.35 | MoonEater | depending on which battle star glaatica series u look at |
| 18:35.39 | zenx | time to make DIALOGS |
| 18:35.52 | MoonEater | oh fun |
| 18:35.52 | duckies | hell yea! dialogs are awesome! |
| 18:36.03 | duckies | I'm so grateful I don't have to make them for a while! :3 |
| 18:36.04 | MoonEater | they need to add a more intuitive dialog placement system |
| 18:36.15 | Bommes | MoonEater, when you were talking about that move ability splat earlier do you mean the little model that shows up when you issue a move order to a unit group at the target point? |
| 18:36.15 | MoonEater | i must spend 80% of the time placing dialogs |
| 18:36.21 | MoonEater | and making them look good |
| 18:36.28 | MoonEater | Bommes |
| 18:36.30 | MoonEater | yes |
| 18:37.01 | Bommes | you can in fact rescale them, the models are named "AIBeaconX" |
| 18:37.19 | Bommes | where X is something like Idle, Harass, Rally, Assault etc |
| 18:37.23 | Bommes | maybe you were using the wrong model |
| 18:37.33 | Bommes | or you can't rescale the actor, I'm not sure |
| 18:37.40 | Bommes | but you can definitely change the size of the model itself in the model data |
| 18:38.09 | Bommes | under Scale Maximum / Scale Minimum, try it out :) |
| 18:38.10 | MoonEater | well |
| 18:38.12 | MoonEater | looking at the |
| 18:38.16 | MoonEater | move ability |
| 18:38.32 | MoonEater | there is a UI: display or somthing |
| 18:38.47 | MoonEater | and in there |
| 18:38.48 | MoonEater | it pulls |
| 18:39.00 | MoonEater | the model for the cursor strait from a .m3 file |
| 18:39.10 | MoonEater | ill look into it tho |
| 18:40.22 | Bommes | oh true, thats a different one |
| 18:40.23 | Bommes | my bad then |
| 18:41.21 | MoonEater | u may be right |
| 18:41.25 | MoonEater | im not saying ur wrong |
| 18:41.28 | MoonEater | i will look into it |
| 18:41.30 | MoonEater | and come back |
| 18:41.33 | MoonEater | to u on it |
| 18:42.03 | A1win | JademusSreg, I have some script someone made long time ago that creates a beam between two units but its attach offset or something seems random, it sometimes attaches it above the unit instead of at origin or whatever I specify as the parameter: http://pastebin.com/8Z1uLFV2 |
| 18:42.14 | A1win | (or anyone else who knows about actors) |
| 18:43.15 | JademusSreg | Probably something not being set; some default origin, some center. |
| 18:43.43 | Bommes | no you are right, they are different models :) they look pretty similar though, I thought they are the same |
| 18:44.13 | Bommes | maybe you can still use them in some way |
| 18:45.04 | Bommes | but since the original ones are built directly into the move ability as models I think you are right that replacing them would require replacing the models |
| 18:47.43 | A1win | how can I see attachment point names in the cutscene editor? |
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| 18:49.18 | JademusSreg | Model Data, clicking an attachment point makes it fluctuate in size. |
| 18:49.43 | JademusSreg | Er, Model Data option, that is. |
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| 18:50.21 | A1win | yeah found it... seems those are fine for the model |
| 18:50.52 | A1win | so something wrong with that script |
| 18:51.32 | JademusSreg | When it fucks up, use the actordumplive command. |
| 18:52.14 | A1win | <.< it can only fuck up while I'm holding space, and I can't type while it's pressed |
| 18:52.34 | A1win | I mean, it stops being pressed if I open chat |
| 18:52.49 | JademusSreg | Sooo change the controls for the test? =D |
| 18:53.07 | A1win | unpossible! |
| 18:53.44 | zenx | duckies: ah yes and there was also one thing you should read |
| 18:53.55 | zenx | one of the best mahwa that got cancelled *cries* |
| 18:54.10 | zenx | I might have even mentioned it before |
| 18:54.12 | A1win | where does this log the errors D: |
| 18:54.36 | JademusSreg | It saves them to a file in the sc2 document directory. |
| 18:54.59 | duckies | hmm? |
| 18:55.28 | zenx | http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Dark-Mage |
| 18:55.37 | zenx | it kinda started odd |
| 18:55.42 | zenx | but then became really good |
| 18:56.03 | duckies | ah |
| 18:56.17 | duckies | I think i've read it back when there were just a few chapters |
| 18:56.29 | zenx | there aint too much |
| 18:56.32 | A1win | USER 431 26.938 26.956 [ 68 c] CActorBeamSimple[BeamSimple][c_LaserSightBeam2 ::scope.BeamLaunch ::scope.BeamImpact] Launch[146.13 144.11 8.00] Impact[143.38 141.94 8.00] HostLaunch[0x008C0008 140.8 SiteHosted] HostImpact[0x00990008 153.8 SiteHosted] Model[c_LaserSightBeam2] m3[NullifierBeam] Radii[Contact 0.50 Vis 1.00] |
| 18:56.33 | zenx | since its cancelled :( |
| 18:57.00 | A1win | doh forgot to change the model ID but an yway |
| 18:57.00 | Triceron | why was it cancelled |
| 18:57.40 | A1win | JademusSreg, what does that mean :E |
| 18:58.16 | JademusSreg | I figured the sites would specify their attachment points. |
| 18:58.20 | A1win | do those coordinates include any possible offsets or something? |
| 18:58.42 | JademusSreg | More likely absolute coords. |
| 18:59.02 | A1win | the z offset of 8 seems correct |
| 18:59.09 | A1win | so no idea why it's showing above the planet model |
| 18:59.33 | A1win | or maybe it's just rendered over it for some reason |
| 18:59.56 | duckies | zenxu: since we're talking about it, have you read a "A Fairytale for the Demon Lord"? |
| 19:00.31 | zenx | dunno |
| 19:00.36 | zenx | sounds familiar |
| 19:00.39 | JademusSreg | Nap time. |
| 19:00.44 | zenx | but not something that has been imprinted on my mind |
| 19:00.50 | duckies | http://kissmanga.com/Manga/A-Fairytale-for-the-Demon-Lord |
| 19:01.21 | duckies | it was weird, but at the same time somewhat awesome |
| 19:01.37 | zenx | I think Iv read like 1 chapter |
| 19:01.42 | zenx | I think Ill take another look |
| 19:03.44 | duckies | but it's a rather specific read, so maybe not for everyone |
| 19:04.08 | duckies | poor poor demon lord ;/ |
| 19:05.24 | Bommes | A1win: How are you applying the beam from that script earlier? Like what models and attachment points are you using |
| 19:05.30 | Bommes | specificly |
| 19:06.03 | A1win | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.47 | zenx | duckies: you read any shonen jump mangas? the new ones seem pretty shit |
| 19:06.57 | zenx | some was about baseball |
| 19:07.04 | zenx | and what kind of other shit there was |
| 19:07.09 | zenx | there was 1 good one thou |
| 19:08.04 | Bommes | A1win: have you tried other beams and whether or not they have the same issues too? Also, which models are you using as caster and target models since that is where the attachment points go wrong? |
| 19:08.21 | Bommes | just out of curiosity |
| 19:08.29 | duckies | nah, the only mangas I follow are pretty much just berserk (sigh), claymore, attack on titan and bleach (cause I just have to see it through D:) |
| 19:08.30 | A1win | the models have attachment points in the right place |
| 19:08.38 | A1win | other beams have the issue too |
| 19:08.46 | Bommes | are the models custom built? |
| 19:09.02 | Bommes | and have you tried other attachment points than origin? |
| 19:10.26 | zenx | oh god bleach is so horrible |
| 19:10.32 | zenx | yet I read it anyway |
| 19:10.41 | zenx | if it was 30 pages a week I would probly drop it |
| 19:10.45 | zenx | but its short enough |
| 19:12.01 | zenx | http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Saiki-Kusuo-no-Psi-Nan |
| 19:12.07 | zenx | this is one of the new rare ones |
| 19:12.11 | zenx | comedy |
| 19:12.14 | zenx | that I kinda liked |
| 19:14.00 | Lepton | why is there a ton of subfolders named after all different handles in the banks folder? |
| 19:14.07 | duckies | ooh, I haven't read a comedy before |
| 19:14.11 | Lepton | and only one of them is actually my handle with m banks inside |
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| 19:15.15 | Triceron | Berserk is so slooooowww.... Haven't had a new chapter in months |
| 19:15.31 | zenx | it sure is |
| 19:15.42 | zenx | authors seem to get sick or stuff |
| 19:15.48 | zenx | its pretty common to have wrist problems atleast |
| 19:16.01 | Triceron | yeah I heard rumors about his health issues |
| 19:16.10 | Triceron | seems like an issue for many mangaka |
| 19:16.14 | zenx | HxH needs to return |
| 19:16.57 | Triceron | I'm just happy One Piece is still goin strong |
| 19:17.01 | Helral|Afk | is currently reading "Magician" |
| 19:17.01 | duckies | I'll check it out tomorrow, want to finish dice today, and then maybe do some mapping I planned to do before ♒‘(T∩T)’♒ |
| 19:17.14 | Lepton | nvm it seems like all the banks are mine |
| 19:17.26 | Lepton | but its like it uses a different handle for each game |
| 19:17.33 | zenx | Iv never been too much of one piece fan |
| 19:17.39 | zenx | its sorta interesting |
| 19:17.45 | zenx | but...still doesnt strike me |
| 19:17.54 | Triceron | it's got story, and that's what matters to me |
| 19:18.45 | zenx | isnt one piece like the most popular one in japan (I dunno where I got that) |
| 19:18.50 | zenx | somehow it seems supeor popular |
| 19:18.50 | Triceron | it is |
| 19:18.59 | Triceron | most popular manga in japan |
| 19:18.59 | duckies | It's strange, I find one piece amazing but I'm not hooked on it, meaning that I can go months without it, then suddenly find it again and spend a few hours reading it thinking "I'm still amazed at how much better than other two this is" |
| 19:19.17 | Bommes | I've only read Kenshin, Dragon Ball and One Piece (to some point, I'm not reading it anymore... its soooooo long) |
| 19:19.25 | Triceron | I dunno how it became that way. I followed it when it started, dropped it, picked it back up years later and found out it was that popular |
| 19:19.34 | Bommes | but I haven't really read mangas in a long time, probably 6-7 years |
| 19:19.53 | Triceron | yeah, it is long |
| 19:20.01 | Triceron | but I find it rewarding |
| 19:20.05 | Triceron | and it still gets me on edge |
| 19:20.09 | duckies | :O |
| 19:20.15 | duckies | I remembered another cool one |
| 19:20.19 | duckies | Trigun! =D |
| 19:20.48 | duckies | awesome anime and awesome manga that is 4x longer |
| 19:20.56 | duckies | or maybe I'm just old >.> |
| 19:21.13 | Triceron | haha |
| 19:21.18 | Triceron | always a classic |
| 19:21.21 | Bommes | I liked One Piece a lot, but at some point it became normal that all the characters looked SUPER ridiculous |
| 19:22.05 | Bommes | and not even the ones which ate these devil fruits or what they are called |
| 19:22.12 | Bommes | even the normal people |
| 19:22.22 | Bommes | *not just |
| 19:22.49 | Triceron | haha |
| 19:23.03 | Triceron | well even at the begining normal people were weird looking |
| 19:23.30 | Bommes | yeah true, but they usually just had a weird trait in their face or something, or ridiculous clothing |
| 19:23.30 | Triceron | I like the silliness though, keeps it from taking itself too seriously |
| 19:23.45 | Bommes | but then at some point they had to increase the silliness to keep it silly |
| 19:24.05 | zenx | yea I think the silliness doesnt really appeal to me |
| 19:24.18 | zenx | like shove chopsticks to your nose *ehehehe* |
| 19:25.39 | Bommes | thats not even the silliness that bugs me |
| 19:25.53 | Bommes | but look at that character design... http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Fishman_Island_Arc?file=Hyouzou_Carrying_Hammond_and_Kasagoba.png thats a fishman from a newer story arc |
| 19:26.24 | Bommes | http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130314221648/onepiece/images/thumb/c/ce/Fishmen_Infobox.png/250px-Fishmen_Infobox.png and these are ones from the old story arc |
| 19:26.35 | Bommes | I mean they both look ridiculous but the newer ones are just one a whole new level |
| 19:27.37 | Bommes | adn the fishmen aren't even the best examples |
| 19:27.53 | Triceron | yeah, the I know a lot of people who won't get into One Piece because of the character designs |
| 19:28.02 | Triceron | they really are wacky |
| 19:28.04 | Bommes | I really enjoyed reading Kenshin when I was young though, maybe I could read that again and see if it holds up |
| 19:29.22 | zenx | mm I guess its slowly time to go to sleep |
| 19:29.23 | zenx | soon |
| 19:41.59 | A1win | hmm... using this beam doesn't feel like you're collecting fuel ;p |
| 19:42.18 | A1win | or collecting anything for that matter |
| 19:42.55 | A1win | mmh I guess progress bar would help ;p |
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| 19:55.35 | mille25 | hi |
| 19:55.48 | Bommes | hello :) |
| 19:55.53 | Bommes | and grats for reaching the goal! |
| 19:56.13 | Triceron | congratulations! |
| 19:57.07 | mille25 | thank you very much |
| 19:57.18 | mille25 | has been quite a rollercoaster |
| 20:08.45 | Dustin | gratz mille |
| 20:55.10 | Daara | http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/Daara/FelOrcExecutioner3_zpsce018975.jpg |
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| 21:03.21 | ObsceneGaul | looks pretty good daara, but zolden is about to talk soe shit |
| 21:03.23 | ObsceneGaul | ,lol |
| 21:03.23 | Zolden | is "embalming" - a word? |
| 21:03.29 | ObsceneGaul | yes |
| 21:03.34 | Daara | lol |
| 21:03.39 | Zolden | what does it mean? |
| 21:03.39 | ObsceneGaul | Its the process of fillind a dead corpse with fluid.... |
| 21:03.47 | Daara | i'm trying to fix the specular on it |
| 21:03.49 | Daara | http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h205/Daara/FelOrcExecutioner3_zpsce018975.jpg |
| 21:03.49 | ObsceneGaul | Its to preserve the dead |
| 21:03.53 | Zolden | Daara: hey, fixed mesh light? |
| 21:03.57 | ObsceneGaul | haha |
| 21:04.16 | Zolden | oh, embalming means balsaming to make a mummmy? |
| 21:04.27 | ObsceneGaul | not exactly |
| 21:04.28 | Daara | you mean throw adding the normal modifier? |
| 21:04.30 | ObsceneGaul | but clodse |
| 21:04.31 | Daara | through* |
| 21:04.39 | ObsceneGaul | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embalming |
| 21:04.48 | Daara | i did that and it fucked up the model lol |
| 21:05.03 | Daara | i had to keep unified off |
| 21:05.47 | ObsceneGaul | I am still 50/50 whether to use WoW models or not :P |
| 21:06.06 | Daara | wow models look fine, if you use only wow models |
| 21:06.28 | Daara | as soon as you start throwing in starcraft stuff you start to notice everything wow models lack |
| 21:06.44 | ObsceneGaul | oh Millie25 Congrats :D, I didnt think it would make it, cool that it did, the next few months should be interesting now to see how blizz perceives this. |
| 21:07.03 | ObsceneGaul | lol |
| 21:07.10 | Daara | zolden |
| 21:07.13 | ObsceneGaul | well I was going to use 5 wow units as heroes :/ |
| 21:07.18 | Daara | i can't get the fucking axe to display light properly |
| 21:07.20 | ObsceneGaul | so everything else would be starcraft |
| 21:07.47 | Daara | doing anything with a normal modifier on it fucks up the model too |
| 21:08.40 | Zolden | Daara: first, the screen says that light is fixed |
| 21:09.38 | Zolden | just give my internet time to zoom it to see what's with the axe |
| 21:10.40 | Zolden | Daara: modifiers fuck the model if you put it after the skin modifier and collapse all. Better put it before skin and collapse then only it |
| 21:11.17 | Zolden | but you can simply select the poly->polygons, select all, and press "unify button" |
| 21:12.01 | Zolden | Axe look fine |
| 21:12.29 | Daara | certain spots do |
| 21:12.42 | Daara | but if i turn the model the side of the axe blade will never show light |
| 21:13.03 | Zolden | try to clear smoothing |
| 21:13.08 | Zolden | and check if it work |
| 21:13.50 | Zolden | if it's fine, use "tasseliate" modifier to add triangles |
| 21:14.08 | Zolden | then smooth accurately (to keep sharpness) |
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| 21:18.03 | Zolden | ObsceneGaul: so, they made it? |
| 21:18.09 | Zolden | scu'ers? |
| 21:18.12 | ObsceneGaul | yeah |
| 21:19.24 | Zolden | nice |
| 21:20.03 | Zolden | should inspire the whole community and make blizz think better about arcade potential |
| 21:20.08 | ObsceneGaul | Maybe |
| 21:20.13 | ObsceneGaul | There is that side chance. |
| 21:20.56 | ObsceneGaul | Right now this can negatively impact or positively impact. |
| 21:21.26 | ObsceneGaul | We will know within the next month or two |
| 21:21.38 | ObsceneGaul | Either all updates will cease, or blizzard will become much more active. |
| 21:23.13 | Zolden | ok, will see |
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| 21:23.22 | Bounty | Pew |
| 21:23.24 | Zolden | if they failed, it would be depressing |
| 21:23.35 | Zolden | huyuew |
| 21:24.05 | Zolden | Bounty: you finished anything new and ecxiting? |
| 21:24.18 | Bounty | Still working on the project for NCU |
| 21:24.27 | Bounty | and waiting on my first paycheck.... lol |
| 21:25.48 | ObsceneGaul | hey bounty |
| 21:25.49 | ObsceneGaul | whats up |
| 21:25.56 | Bounty | n2m u |
| 21:26.06 | ObsceneGaul | Working on evo-frenzy |
| 21:26.21 | Bounty | I DO have a video that a member of the team uploaded |
| 21:26.22 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o00qpclOjg8&feature=youtu.be |
| 21:26.27 | Bounty | its an older version |
| 21:26.28 | ObsceneGaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.42 | Bounty | Basically the concept was/is. Rock Band mixed with Border control sim |
| 21:26.47 | Bounty | and it evolved into that |
| 21:26.53 | Bounty | but again, that is an older version |
| 21:31.14 | Triceron | what's NCU |
| 21:32.10 | Bounty | North Carolina University |
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| 21:32.42 | MoonEater | hihi |
| 21:32.52 | Bounty | JademusSreg! |
| 21:32.56 | Bounty | You there? :) |
| 21:32.58 | MoonEater | thats not me |
| 21:33.02 | MoonEater | and he doesnt ping |
| 21:33.03 | MoonEater | XD |
| 21:33.10 | Bounty | He does for me |
| 21:33.32 | MoonEater | well thats unfair |
| 21:34.09 | Bounty | Nah, I earned it |
| 21:34.20 | Bounty | >.< |
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| 21:35.36 | MoonEater_ | lol |
| 21:35.39 | MoonEater_ | theres2ofme |
| 21:35.42 | MoonEater_ | which one drops first |
| 21:36.50 | MoonEater_ | tenis is soo weird |
| 21:36.56 | MoonEater_ | why do the moan when they hit the ball |
| 21:37.11 | Zolden | MoonEater_: uneat the moon pls |
| 21:37.19 | Zolden | I need light at nighs |
| 21:37.23 | MoonEater_ | im stuck ina wallmart automotic watching tennis |
| 21:37.37 | MoonEater_ | vomits.... |
| 21:37.55 | Zolden | ty |
| 21:38.17 | MoonEater_ | nibblesthe bottom of it |
| 21:39.03 | MoonEater_ | dude |
| 21:39.14 | MoonEater_ | has egod ever made anything? |
| 21:39.23 | MoonEater_ | and why does he always want money for his concepts.... |
| 21:39.32 | MoonEater_ | too shady for me to donate 2 |
| 21:39.36 | Zolden | lol |
| 21:39.54 | MoonEater_ | am i wrong? i think u know im right |
| 21:40.13 | MoonEater_ | me, ive complete 75% of projects |
| 21:40.56 | Daara | Zolden: here's the mod and max file if you want to look at it. |
| 21:40.58 | Daara | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/43/359/Fel_Orc_Exectutioner.zip |
| 21:41.14 | Daara | I've got class for the next 7 hours so I'm out. |
| 21:41.39 | Zolden | Daara: yes, I wnat, jsut post it in the thread |
| 21:41.42 | Daara | I could use some input on how to do things better. |
| 21:41.46 | Daara | I did. |
| 21:41.47 | Zolden | I'm away and can't open max file |
| 21:41.59 | Zolden | i'll be back at friday |
| 21:42.19 | Zolden | I would love to play with it to make it look realy badass |
| 21:42.50 | Daara | If I knew more about how to do this shit I would do it. |
| 21:42.58 | Zolden | right now metallic parts aren't that shiny as I wnat them to see |
| 21:43.15 | Zolden | If i fix anything, I'll report what I've done and you'll repeat and learn |
| 21:43.30 | Daara | i think i could probably make the spec texture for the shoulders better |
| 21:43.48 | Daara | but doing anything with the normals on the shoulders fucked them up and made them look blocky |
| 21:44.00 | Daara | i guess i coulda tried smoothing them |
| 21:44.51 | Daara | i think a few things got fucked up when i exported it and reimported it, so i might start from scratch again |
| 21:45.07 | Daara | there's a gap in the mesh on the belt, and on the back |
| 21:45.09 | Zolden | Daara: some wow models have an awkward problem, that I recently found out how to fix |
| 21:45.19 | Daara | i know how to fix the animation bugs |
| 21:45.29 | Zolden | I mean mesh bugs |
| 21:45.38 | Triceron | yeah I've been finding a few bugs with WoW models myself |
| 21:45.49 | Triceron | was this always like that? |
| 21:45.52 | Zolden | some triangles are doubled with normals facing opposite directions |
| 21:46.05 | Daara | yep |
| 21:46.12 | Daara | on his forehead |
| 21:46.16 | Daara | it does that |
| 21:46.17 | Zolden | so we have to remove a triangle from each pair and unify normals then |
| 21:46.39 | Zolden | it |
| 21:47.02 | Zolden | it usually don't take much time since only a small areas of the model is fucked this way |
| 21:47.43 | Zolden | Triceron: I think it wasn't that bad, but scripts updates could fuck something |
| 21:47.53 | Daara | well |
| 21:48.01 | Daara | before with nin's 3d export |
| 21:48.05 | Zolden | but still Leruster added more than fucked :) |
| 21:48.08 | Daara | the animation bugs would correct themself |
| 21:48.17 | Daara | but with startools, you have to fix them yourself |
| 21:48.27 | Zolden | yea |
| 21:48.36 | Triceron | yah, definitely |
| 21:48.39 | Zolden | Leruster sia he's working on importer |
| 21:48.43 | Zolden | *said |
| 21:48.48 | Triceron | can't wait till he gets that working |
| 21:48.50 | Triceron | sooo can't wait |
| 21:48.52 | Daara | it could also be the WMV m3 export |
| 21:48.54 | Zolden | so, it will work with hots models too |
| 21:49.12 | Zolden | yea, maybe |
| 21:49.15 | Daara | no one really works on it anymore |
| 21:49.27 | Daara | just trying to extract wmos is a bitch |
| 21:49.41 | Daara | and it's been an issue that i've reported to them for the last 3 years |
| 21:50.02 | Triceron | I can't wait till Blizz does the WoW character model updates |
| 21:50.09 | Triceron | that should look real sweet in SC2 |
| 21:50.20 | Daara | yea i wanna see what they look like too |
| 21:50.31 | Zolden | what are you talking about |
| 21:50.41 | Zolden | waht wow character model updates? |
| 21:50.43 | Daara | all the WoW character models are getting revamped |
| 21:50.47 | Triceron | they're revamping every character model |
| 21:51.08 | Zolden | in wow? will we have to patch wow to get those new models? |
| 21:51.15 | Daara | yea |
| 21:51.21 | Daara | i just hope they don't remove the old ones |
| 21:51.30 | Triceron | they're not done yet, I think they said like... 20% so far |
| 21:51.33 | Zolden | crap, I spend so much time to find a working wmv version for my actual wow patch |
| 21:51.36 | Triceron | so prolly next expansion or later |
| 21:51.49 | Triceron | but if you've seen their latest NPC models |
| 21:51.51 | Zolden | will they improve wow shader too? |
| 21:51.52 | Triceron | like Garrosh |
| 21:52.07 | Zolden | do you have a screen link? |
| 21:52.08 | Triceron | they added more bones, more animations, higher polycount, everything |
| 21:52.15 | Daara | they haven't posted anything |
| 21:52.30 | Daara | just said they are working on it and will add them in 1 by 1 |
| 21:52.48 | Daara | i assume the human and orc ones will be first |
| 21:52.59 | Daara | seeing as they are the oldest |
| 21:53.07 | Triceron | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqht1AI1htM |
| 21:53.25 | Triceron | this should give you an idea how the revamps will look |
| 21:54.39 | Triceron | the new models actually have proper fingers and facial animations |
| 21:54.59 | Zolden | oh. my internet here doesn't do vids |
| 21:55.07 | Zolden | 20kb/s max |
| 21:55.07 | Triceron | oh, lemme find pics then |
| 21:55.40 | Triceron | http://handclaw.rampagingpolygons.com/WoW/GarroshCompare.jpg |
| 21:56.42 | Triceron | they have full facial expressions now, it's pretty awesome. Probably not too useful for SC2 as a unit model, but it could work for portraits |
| 21:57.13 | Zolden | lol, nice |
| 21:57.15 | Zolden | more polys |
| 21:57.19 | Triceron | I still have to test my Lothar model in game |
| 21:57.39 | Bommes | hmm |
| 21:57.40 | Zolden | and, man, they are doing a pretty nice imitation of normal map with diffuse texture |
| 21:58.09 | Bommes | wow character revamps might get presented at blizzcon then? with announcement of new expansion |
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| 21:58.19 | Triceron | I think they do have shader effects in WoW, but I'm not sure what they're doing for it. If they use new spec/normal maps, or if it's generated by something else |
| 21:58.35 | Xapti | Is there an easy method to detect turret facing? |
| 21:58.49 | Triceron | they recently tweeted that they'll probably roll in the character updates, patch by patch |
| 21:58.52 | Triceron | instead of one clump |
| 21:58.58 | Bommes | ah k |
| 21:59.02 | Zolden | They just generate diffuse using high poly model made in zbrush - it's my guess |
| 21:59.13 | Triceron | it was expected that it would be a 'feature' for the next exp, but it seems they're not even that far forward |
| 21:59.51 | Triceron | but damn what I would give for some Blizz Allstars news right now |
| 22:00.13 | Zolden | :) |
| 22:00.13 | Triceron | I want my hands on those models soooo badly |
| 22:00.48 | Zolden | normal story, huge, like years delays between the first gameplay vid and a beta version |
| 22:01.05 | Triceron | oh yeah Zolden, i got a new model working in the game. You can see gifs right? |
| 22:01.07 | Zolden | I fucking saw allstars gameplay like 2 years ago (or 1) |
| 22:01.29 | Zolden | yea, gimme scrins |
| 22:01.31 | Zolden | screens |
| 22:01.37 | Triceron | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Dragon_02_zps9d49f7b5.gif |
| 22:01.44 | Zolden | oh, you mean animated gifs? |
| 22:01.48 | Triceron | yeah |
| 22:01.56 | Zolden | will take time to load |
| 22:02.00 | Triceron | hrm, ookay |
| 22:02.08 | Triceron | I'll take a quick screencap |
| 22:02.24 | Zolden | it's fine, i'lll wait anyway |
| 22:03.18 | Daara | what is the model from? |
| 22:03.39 | Triceron | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Dragon_Ingame_zps10d62a75.jpg |
| 22:03.54 | Triceron | custom model I've been workin on for a while |
| 22:04.01 | Daara | is that the sinestra model revamped or something? |
| 22:04.09 | Triceron | it's sinestra animations, yah |
| 22:05.25 | Zolden | oh, cool, underground dragon |
| 22:06.34 | Triceron | I'm having issues with the weighting tho. I might have to remodel some of it to fit the skeleton better. |
| 22:07.54 | Zolden | yea, it's tricky for bio models |
| 22:08.08 | Zolden | robots can be done like one mesh-one bone |
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| 22:15.47 | ObsceneGaul | aww man triceron I love that... |
| 22:21.54 | Triceron | thx |
| 22:22.31 | ObsceneGaul | So what are you making :P |
| 22:22.39 | ObsceneGaul | I know its warcraft related |
| 22:22.53 | Triceron | models |
| 22:23.36 | ObsceneGaul | just models? |
| 22:23.45 | Triceron | I wanna make an RPG of some sort, but I sorta need Blizz DOTA to get the rest of the models I'd need for it |
| 22:23.53 | Triceron | well, models, spells, all that rut |
| 22:23.55 | ObsceneGaul | ah |
| 22:24.09 | ObsceneGaul | Blizzard dota wont be on SC2 anymore though |
| 22:24.10 | ObsceneGaul | :/ |
| 22:24.18 | Triceron | waiting and seeing |
| 22:24.24 | ObsceneGaul | gotcha |
| 22:24.32 | Triceron | they're making it standalone playable, but not sure if they're taking it off SC2 altogether |
| 22:24.57 | Triceron | and even then, as long as those models could be imported back into SC2, that's all I need |
| 22:25.22 | ObsceneGaul | ahhh gotcha |
| 22:25.49 | ObsceneGaul | Considering it started in SC2 it will most likely be .m3 |
| 22:25.59 | Triceron | yah |
| 22:26.02 | ObsceneGaul | Problem is, Blizzard Allstars was recently pushed back again |
| 22:26.17 | ObsceneGaul | and from what I hear they are restarting it |
| 22:26.27 | Triceron | yeah |
| 22:26.35 | Triceron | it's a 'long term' project |
| 22:26.48 | ObsceneGaul | nah I think its more of a "We dont know which direction to go" project |
| 22:27.08 | Triceron | that's what I meant :P |
| 22:27.12 | ObsceneGaul | Last I heard they were trying to hire Ecke for lead designer(this is a rumor) |
| 22:27.14 | Triceron | it's lumped with Titan |
| 22:27.20 | ObsceneGaul | yeah |
| 22:27.31 | Triceron | was that even recent? |
| 22:27.37 | ObsceneGaul | yeah that was less then a month ago |
| 22:27.44 | Triceron | weird |
| 22:27.45 | ObsceneGaul | He was going to blizzard for interviews |
| 22:27.54 | ObsceneGaul | One of his teammates on Sotis told me that was why. |
| 22:28.07 | ObsceneGaul | I hope not though.. I hate his AoS :P |
| 22:28.14 | ObsceneGaul | It feels awkward and plays bad lol |
| 22:28.46 | Triceron | I don't think the blizz designers know a damn thing about MOBAs tbh |
| 22:29.09 | Triceron | they needed to grab the main MOBA guys before they went to Riot and Valve |
| 22:29.39 | ObsceneGaul | But those guys suck... lawl, they should have grabbed the several WC3 Moba guys who got shafted by icefrog |
| 22:29.57 | ObsceneGaul | The ones Icefrog stood on and took all the credit |
| 22:31.04 | Triceron | the simplification in Blizz Allstars was too much. Wouldn't have kept players into the game for very long without depth |
| 22:31.14 | Zolden | Triceron: cool spells can be easily made |
| 22:31.17 | Triceron | 15-min games sounds nice on paper |
| 22:31.32 | Triceron | but that's not really what MOBAs are about |
| 22:31.43 | ObsceneGaul | Good then zolden you make, ice, fire, and lightning effects :D |
| 22:31.55 | ObsceneGaul | Yeah I MAKE 15 minute games :D |
| 22:31.58 | ObsceneGaul | But mines not a moba |
| 22:32.06 | Zolden | you forgot acid |
| 22:32.09 | ObsceneGaul | Its a horrible massive beast that eats your heart |
| 22:32.51 | Triceron | have you tried custom fire/acid deaths, Zolden? |
| 22:33.04 | Triceron | I think I understand the basics to getting them made |
| 22:33.13 | Triceron | haven't tried myself yet |
| 22:33.20 | ObsceneGaul | I can make the in data, but it wont look quite as good |
| 22:33.30 | Zolden | nope, but it's not that hard: just change mesh'es color and add some particles |
| 22:34.07 | ObsceneGaul | Ya know I just noticed... |
| 22:34.11 | Zolden | ObsceneGaul: animated tinting with different labels? |
| 22:34.21 | ObsceneGaul | The textures for terrain in SC2 are garbage in comparison to Wc3 |
| 22:34.54 | Zolden | wc3 terrains are bright and cartoonish |
| 22:34.55 | Triceron | SC2's textures get filtered with compression, that's probably why |
| 22:35.01 | ObsceneGaul | Not its not just that |
| 22:35.04 | Zolden | oh, and I like the autumn in the frozen trone |
| 22:35.09 | Triceron | and that, WC3's textures are high contrast |
| 22:35.09 | ObsceneGaul | The Wc3 textures have a normal map or smoething.. |
| 22:35.27 | Triceron | wc3 never had normals, it was way before its time |
| 22:35.32 | ObsceneGaul | Each blade of grass has its own height, whereas Sc2 textures are completely flat |
| 22:35.57 | Triceron | Doom 3 was like one of the first few games to bring in normal maps, and War3 predates even that |
| 22:36.00 | ObsceneGaul | http://pwrcords.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/warcraft-3-7d.jpg |
| 22:36.07 | ObsceneGaul | See how the terrains textures are? |
| 22:36.14 | ObsceneGaul | How 1 texture looks higher then the other. |
| 22:36.19 | Triceron | that's just pure diffuse |
| 22:36.22 | ObsceneGaul | ANd how each blade of grass looks different |
| 22:36.26 | Triceron | they paint the spec into the textures |
| 22:36.39 | Triceron | they don't do that as much in SC2 because there's already lighting |
| 22:37.29 | ObsceneGaul | ill do a side by side and show you |
| 22:37.31 | Triceron | you can fake the look though with lighting effects in SC2. It's not very pretty though |
| 22:37.51 | ObsceneGaul | I feel the entire terrain editor was shafted in Sc2 |
| 22:38.06 | Triceron | well all you have to do is go into the SC2 edtior |
| 22:38.16 | Triceron | set the rendering settings to "Full Bright Diffuse" |
| 22:38.21 | Triceron | and that's basically what Warcraft 3 was. |
| 22:39.19 | Triceron | course the textures would look crappier cuz they don't have painted spec |
| 22:39.35 | Triceron | and there's no shadows in that mode |
| 22:39.55 | ObsceneGaul | I am not just talking about that though |
| 22:40.02 | ObsceneGaul | I am talking about how the terrain texture blend too |
| 22:40.03 | ObsceneGaul | http://i.imgur.com/VcEPoO9.jpg |
| 22:40.23 | Triceron | they painted lighting and shadow into the terrain |
| 22:40.29 | ObsceneGaul | In Wc3 it looked like grass touching dirt looks, in SC2 it looks like... a bad painting |
| 22:40.33 | Triceron | that's why it looks '3D' |
| 22:40.48 | ObsceneGaul | Well they should have kept it the way it was |
| 22:41.03 | Triceron | it wouldn't have worked with dynamic lighting |
| 22:41.25 | ObsceneGaul | :/ |
| 22:41.27 | Triceron | you'd have too much fake spec showing overtop real spec |
| 22:42.10 | ObsceneGaul | perhaps, but the new result just looks bad... |
| 22:42.11 | Triceron | a lot of the terrain textures use decalling too, which I think blurs detail |
| 22:42.47 | ObsceneGaul | I could always cover the ground in dirt then use over 100 doodads for grass... |
| 22:42.49 | ObsceneGaul | :/ |
| 22:42.51 | Triceron | it allows you to do more with the tools, but overall it's not as sharp as the old method |
| 22:42.52 | ObsceneGaul | not very appealing though |
| 22:43.03 | ObsceneGaul | I just think it looks bad |
| 22:43.10 | ObsceneGaul | And it looks bad in multiple places |
| 22:43.11 | Triceron | WoW still uses the old methods too |
| 22:43.29 | Triceron | and while it's a dated engine, I think it looks better than many modern MMOs |
| 22:43.36 | ObsceneGaul | yeah |
| 22:44.21 | ObsceneGaul | I think you loose too much and gain too little from the new system |
| 22:45.04 | ObsceneGaul | oh well though |
| 22:45.09 | ObsceneGaul | No point crying over spilled milk |
| 22:47.44 | Zolden | no point crying over spilled tears |
| 22:49.37 | ObsceneGaul | dlol |
| 22:50.02 | ObsceneGaul | It was just something tha ti had always noticed but never had pinpointed. |
| 22:58.42 | ObsceneGaul | now that sixen has left lets all party! |
| 23:01.17 | Zolden | PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA PENIS VAGINA |
| 23:01.20 | Zolden | YEA |
| 23:01.24 | Zolden | PARTY BITCHES |
| 23:05.05 | ObsceneGaul | loll |
| 23:05.19 | ObsceneGaul | notice... zolden thought of penises before vaginas |
| 23:05.44 | Zolden | vaginas gross |
| 23:06.04 | ObsceneGaul | :( |
| 23:06.23 | ObsceneGaul | Me and you should switch countries..... |
| 23:06.34 | ObsceneGaul | Russia is looking really nice right now |
| 23:07.09 | Zolden | this is cruel what you saing |
| 23:07.13 | Zolden | stop mocking me |
| 23:08.11 | ObsceneGaul | :( |
| 23:08.16 | ObsceneGaul | not mocking... |
| 23:08.25 | ObsceneGaul | Russia really does look quite nice from my perspective |
| 23:08.25 | Zolden | just yesterday they cheated elections again |
| 23:08.38 | ObsceneGaul | Least your country is being open about it |
| 23:08.46 | ObsceneGaul | My country cheats them often and just hides it |
| 23:09.05 | ObsceneGaul | a county in NC gave 10k votes last presidential election |
| 23:09.11 | ObsceneGaul | The county only has about 500 people total |
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| 23:09.23 | Zolden | lol |
| 23:09.40 | ObsceneGaul | I would rather be told I am being cheated then to be cheated behind my back |
| 23:10.10 | ObsceneGaul | Plus your country is going more toward christianity, while mine is going away from it, and as a christian thats a big plus for me |
| 23:10.52 | Zolden | it is going towards fake devilish christianity |
| 23:11.18 | ObsceneGaul | if you say so. |
| 23:12.03 | Zolden | popess kill people with their rapper style expensive cars, emprison young women for a dance for 2 years, they also suck putin's dick and do propaganda for putin's criminalistic regime |
| 23:12.48 | Zolden | you right, we are to switch, get sisillusioned, and switch back |
| 23:12.55 | Zolden | *disillusioned |
| 23:14.19 | ObsceneGaul | lol |
| 23:14.32 | ObsceneGaul | You act like the same thing doesnt happen here haha |
| 23:14.49 | ObsceneGaul | I guess the biggest difference is... Do you wanna know about it or not? |
| 23:14.53 | ObsceneGaul | I personally like to know. |
| 23:15.02 | Zolden | go on |
| 23:15.18 | ObsceneGaul | go on where? |
| 23:15.19 | ObsceneGaul | :P |
| 23:15.42 | Zolden | difference is the grade of society mature |
| 23:15.43 | ObsceneGaul | I like to know whats going on... rather then it be hidden behind garbage. |
| 23:15.54 | Zolden | russian society younger |
| 23:16.11 | Zolden | us society has old world roots, which has roman roots |
| 23:16.22 | ObsceneGaul | I dunno US Society just seems like an over-controlled brainless media zombies. |
| 23:16.22 | Zolden | they have freedom and liberalism in their blood |
| 23:16.35 | Zolden | russians have always been slaves except the latest 20 years |
| 23:16.40 | ObsceneGaul | \Not really, US has more of a false sense of freedom and liberalism |
| 23:16.48 | Zolden | all are zombies novadays |
| 23:16.57 | ObsceneGaul | eWell I refuse to conform to that. |
| 23:17.38 | Zolden | maybe us people went too far in socialism |
| 23:17.58 | ObsceneGaul | US people are still going further and further into socialism |
| 23:18.10 | Zolden | but it's only a temporary deviation, swamp smell will put americans back |
| 23:18.42 | Zolden | still US look just very progressive |
| 23:18.44 | ObsceneGaul | Capitalism is complete evil, Socialism is complete evil. |
| 23:18.58 | ObsceneGaul | Dont mistake Progressive for regressive |
| 23:19.13 | ObsceneGaul | We are not looking forward, we are simply moving backwards into failed ideals |
| 23:19.37 | Zolden | capitalism is only evil for poor unfortunates. Talented people are happy with capitalism. And it allows to bring progress pretty fast |
| 23:19.51 | ObsceneGaul | No talented people are not happy with Capitalism |
| 23:20.12 | ObsceneGaul | In Capitalism, hardworking, Intelligent, and good people always fail |
| 23:20.21 | ObsceneGaul | not saying the other is differnet |
| 23:20.39 | Zolden | well, if capitalism corrupts goverment, it's not good |
| 23:20.48 | ObsceneGaul | Capitalism doesnt corrupt government |
| 23:20.52 | ObsceneGaul | It superceeds it |
| 23:20.58 | ObsceneGaul | Obliterates it from the outside |
| 23:21.08 | ObsceneGaul | Money becomes the false god of the land |
| 23:21.24 | ObsceneGaul | Everyone can be bought, and everyone can be sold. |
| 23:21.39 | ObsceneGaul | money becomes all that matters to most |
| 23:21.58 | ObsceneGaul | then again |
| 23:22.18 | ObsceneGaul | you would think with all of our new-age technology we would no longer have to rely on ideas from the renaissance |
| 23:22.49 | Zolden | what do you mean? |
| 23:22.57 | ObsceneGaul | Have peoples intellect into philosophy really gone so low we can no longer comprehend new ideals that match the times. |
| 23:23.39 | ObsceneGaul | you realize that every governmental system on earth righ tnow was created several hundred years ago, most of which was from the renaissance era? |
| 23:24.10 | ObsceneGaul | Being 1300-1600 = Renissance |
| 23:24.49 | Zolden | democracy has minimum age of 2500 |
| 23:25.06 | Zolden | respublic probably comes from rome, and is age of 2400 |
| 23:25.15 | Zolden | if only babylonians haven't used them |
| 23:25.24 | ObsceneGaul | Democracy yes, but america is not built on democracy its its a combination of the republic of rome and the writings of a french writer whos name escapes me |
| 23:25.36 | Zolden | reneissance was as monarchy as other centuries before and after |
| 23:26.05 | ObsceneGaul | reneissance was a golden age of philosophy. |
| 23:26.13 | ObsceneGaul | 'It had nothing to do with monoarchy |
| 23:26.37 | Zolden | also, the fun things you say about a negative correlation between capitalism and intellectualism - it can be proven wrong easily, i'm just sleepy atm |
| 23:27.02 | ObsceneGaul | :/ |
| 23:27.30 | Zolden | also, renessaince was aweful for philosophers and for art makers |
| 23:27.35 | ObsceneGaul | I haven't given any examples or reasons for the negative correlation between capitalism and intellectualism |
| 23:27.36 | ObsceneGaul | :D |
| 23:27.50 | ObsceneGaul | :/ |
| 23:28.12 | Zolden | it was just a bunch of capitalists whose dicks people like leonardo davinci had had to suck to live |
| 23:29.10 | Zolden | 95% of poor reneissance people never cared about arts or philosophic books |
| 23:29.20 | Zolden | those were poor times |
| 23:29.22 | ObsceneGaul | What are you talking about the renaissance was the era of great artist such as Micheal Angelo, and Leonardo Divinci, and ideals such as Marxism |
| 23:30.06 | Zolden | Davinci was hated by people, was poor |
| 23:30.21 | Zolden | Michelangelo was just a lucky dick sucker |
| 23:30.27 | ObsceneGaul | :/ |
| 23:30.34 | ObsceneGaul | Zolden.... never quit learning... |
| 23:30.53 | Zolden | I only translate you waht Davinci wrote in hist diaries |
| 23:31.31 | ObsceneGaul | :P |
| 23:31.55 | Zolden | artists were poor, only 1% of reach merchants and local monarchs have sometimes payed a little to them |
| 23:32.43 | Zolden | I agree, that a couple of great artists emerged in the most _capitalistic_ countries, like italia and netherlands |
| 23:32.47 | ObsceneGaul | actually the renaissance was the time when the printing press was released and books, art, and other creations became commodities among most people. |
| 23:32.56 | Zolden | you know, merchants who got rich payed a few bucks |
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| 23:34.19 | Zolden | and all this happened because rich people created a request for it. Early capitalists were the engine of reneissance. Other 95% poor not educated people never cared about art and printing press |
| 23:34.35 | ObsceneGaul | :/ |
| 23:34.56 | Zolden | and the situation remains. The middle class, the child of capitalism, pays for art and for literature |
| 23:35.01 | ObsceneGaul | actually you have that backwards. the rich already had it, The poor were not able to obtain it until the printing press |
| 23:35.23 | ObsceneGaul | One of the first things(It might have been the first) was the Holy Bible in english. Which people of all income levels wanted |
| 23:36.19 | Zolden | first, capitalists gave jobs. Second, jobs requested higher education. Third, more educated people started to read papers and stuff. Don't switch reason and consequence |
| 23:36.52 | Zolden | the example is sweet, gimme a sec |
| 23:37.58 | Zolden | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNxiJwO39Cs |
| 23:38.37 | Zolden | hope it's it, i can't watch it to be sure |
| 23:40.08 | ObsceneGaul | Zolden a note |
| 23:40.17 | ObsceneGaul | Anytime you wish to prove a point, dont post a family guy video |
| 23:40.20 | ObsceneGaul | It makes you look dumb |
| 23:41.54 | Zolden | ok, and when you next time want to affect my habits, do anything, but advise to not post family guy vids |
| 23:42.20 | Zolden | omg, time to sleep |
| 23:42.26 | Zolden | cya |
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| 23:52.42 | ObsceneGaul | lol |
| 23:52.42 | ObsceneGaul | ' |
| 23:53.07 | ObsceneGaul | I like zolden :D |
