| 00:02.48 | Eldrazor | but i don't even want to transfer all of them, i think :/ |
| 00:03.13 | JademusSreg | Flag the ones you don't want transfered as permanent? |
| 00:03.38 | Eldrazor | would rather flag the ones that do get transferred as permanent |
| 00:03.43 | Eldrazor | wait no |
| 00:03.46 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 00:03.48 | Eldrazor | nevermind i misunderstood |
| 00:04.00 | Eldrazor | yeah, that's probably a good solution |
| 00:04.06 | Eldrazor | i'm going to encounter so many bugs with this :p |
| 00:06.45 | Eldrazor | and then to think i've spent so much time thinking that the editor was bugged :/ |
| 00:08.31 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/pz69h |
| 00:09.09 | Eldrazor | tyvm |
| 00:09.23 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 00:11.12 | Eldrazor | if i want to put this in the GUI, i can't just remove the part that declares it as a function, right? |
| 00:11.20 | Eldrazor | wait nope i can't |
| 00:12.19 | JademusSreg | If you're a GUI user, just recreate the code in GUI; it's pretty simple. |
| 00:12.29 | Eldrazor | i was |
| 00:12.31 | Eldrazor | but galaxy looks pretty simple |
| 00:12.59 | JademusSreg | Yeah, much prefer to script. GUI is dreadfully difficult to read. |
| 00:13.16 | Eldrazor | i agree |
| 00:13.26 | Eldrazor | but a year ago i didn't, unfortunately :/ |
| 00:14.04 | Eldrazor | 1 tiny thing |
| 00:14.06 | Eldrazor | is there any way |
| 00:14.09 | Eldrazor | to speed up the data editor? |
| 00:14.25 | JademusSreg | Ctrl 1 to switch to Table View. |
| 00:14.38 | Eldrazor | it's in table view |
| 00:14.42 | Eldrazor | any time i change anything |
| 00:14.47 | Eldrazor | takes like a second to process |
| 00:14.53 | JademusSreg | I disable all the extra view options. |
| 00:15.06 | JademusSreg | Except struct value bundling. |
| 00:15.41 | JademusSreg | The folder-collpase feature is just too useful to give up. |
| 00:15.53 | JademusSreg | *collapse |
| 00:16.12 | Eldrazor | doesn't seem to help a lot |
| 00:16.20 | Eldrazor | still takes multiple seconds :/ |
| 00:16.27 | JademusSreg | Weird. |
| 00:16.37 | Eldrazor | i get the idea it doesn't cache anything |
| 00:16.44 | JademusSreg | How long does XML view take? |
| 00:17.03 | Eldrazor | aah |
| 00:17.07 | Eldrazor | it's the object explorer |
| 00:17.13 | Eldrazor | loading all the damn icons presumably |
| 00:17.16 | JademusSreg | And no, it doesn't; it reparses the editor layout xml and builds new frames each time. |
| 00:17.29 | JademusSreg | Oh, I disabled that forever ago. |
| 00:17.37 | Eldrazor | so glad i did |
| 00:17.58 | Eldrazor | i would bet on this doubling the speed of work in the data editor |
| 00:18.59 | JademusSreg | I forgot it existed, since I disabled it, like, pre WoL release, during bera, haha. |
| 00:19.01 | JademusSreg | *beta |
| 00:19.12 | Eldrazor | it's useful from time to time |
| 00:19.21 | JademusSreg | Ctrl Space is useful. |
| 00:19.22 | Eldrazor | easier to navigate than to look through all the fields |
| 00:20.05 | Eldrazor | omg wat |
| 00:20.06 | Eldrazor | this is new |
| 00:20.49 | Eldrazor | one thing's for sure, blizzard knows how to make editors |
| 00:21.09 | JademusSreg | That reminds me of something I need to check. |
| 00:22.52 | Eldrazor | i presume blizz didn't up the player limit while i was gone? |
| 00:23.35 | JademusSreg | Haha, no. |
| 00:24.26 | Eldrazor | aww :/ |
| 00:24.37 | Eldrazor | also thanks a bunch for everything so far |
| 00:24.47 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 00:24.47 | Eldrazor | smooth data editor <3 |
| 00:25.36 | JademusSreg | Some random find: https://pastee.org/btf2f |
| 00:31.34 | Eldrazor | ok..? |
| 00:31.47 | Eldrazor | why would someone paste hashfiles |
| 00:32.10 | JademusSreg | I find random shit when browsing the client memory. |
| 00:39.06 | Eldrazor | can you tell my why my map is pink in the editor? |
| 00:39.13 | Eldrazor | looks like there's a huge pink region dragged across |
| 00:40.56 | Eldrazor | nvm i magically fixed it |
| 00:41.28 | JademusSreg | Magical miracle mysteries. /clown |
| 00:45.04 | Eldrazor | and then i found out i was editing an old version of my map >_> |
| 00:45.09 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 00:45.16 | Eldrazor | silly me |
| 00:45.18 | Eldrazor | leaving that open |
| 00:45.34 | Eldrazor | ohwell, i didn't change much |
| 00:47.35 | Eldrazor | are locales still a problem? |
| 00:47.54 | JademusSreg | In what sense? |
| 00:48.45 | Eldrazor | i recall before it was a big bag of hassle |
| 00:48.57 | Eldrazor | that if you published your stuff on another server it screwed things up |
| 00:49.10 | Eldrazor | all your strings |
| 00:49.25 | JademusSreg | Naw, that didn't screw up anything. |
| 00:49.39 | *** join/#sc2mapster Triceron (1854e5d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.84.229.210) |
| 00:49.39 | Eldrazor | well, all your custom tooltips didn't work |
| 00:49.43 | JademusSreg | If you open a map, you'll notice locales in the map. |
| 00:50.06 | JademusSreg | Map or mod. |
| 00:50.16 | Eldrazor | also |
| 00:50.19 | JademusSreg | Same for the standard depenendencies. |
| 00:50.23 | JademusSreg | *dependencies |
| 00:50.26 | Eldrazor | how do you do version control + galaxy editor? |
| 00:50.52 | JademusSreg | Basically, all one need do copy the same data to different locales, easy. |
| 00:51.22 | Eldrazor | sounds easy enough |
| 00:51.23 | JademusSreg | Save as SC2Components, for example, and copy+rename the localized data folders. |
| 00:53.17 | JademusSreg | Version control I do with file sync services like dropbox, box, google drive, plus multiple redundant backups are others drives. git is nice for larger works. |
| 00:53.35 | JademusSreg | *on other drives |
| 00:54.20 | Eldrazor | eh, i'll just stick to my old system of saving every new version under a different name |
| 00:54.58 | JademusSreg | Sync services are more convenient than that. |
| 00:55.12 | Eldrazor | it's kind of useless, though |
| 00:55.21 | Eldrazor | sync services hardly do version control |
| 00:55.36 | JademusSreg | They do for the right price, haha. |
| 00:55.58 | Eldrazor | eh, i'll skip on paying for stuff i can generally get for free |
| 00:56.05 | Eldrazor | svn ftw |
| 00:56.07 | JademusSreg | Box is free, iirc. |
| 00:56.18 | Eldrazor | but i like to stick to 1 file sync service |
| 00:56.22 | JademusSreg | But yeah, subversion is fine, I suppose. |
| 00:56.41 | Eldrazor | well, svn isn't going to work well with sc2 editor |
| 00:56.51 | JademusSreg | Because? |
| 00:57.07 | Eldrazor | it's a binary |
| 00:57.11 | Eldrazor | or rather |
| 00:57.12 | JademusSreg | Er |
| 00:57.13 | Eldrazor | non-txt |
| 00:57.24 | JademusSreg | Wat |
| 00:57.32 | Eldrazor | doesn't use regular text encoding |
| 00:57.43 | JademusSreg | It's full of xml files. |
| 00:57.52 | Eldrazor | hmm |
| 00:57.56 | JademusSreg | Just save the document as SC2Components |
| 00:58.19 | JademusSreg | That way the individual components get the proper version control they need. |
| 00:58.38 | Eldrazor | although that's true |
| 00:58.40 | JademusSreg | It unpacks the mpq archive as a file directory. |
| 00:59.06 | Eldrazor | it also increases the file size by 4000% |
| 01:00.05 | JademusSreg | Haha, unless you're working off a 5-year old thumbnail drive, probably wouldn't be an issue. |
| 01:00.34 | Eldrazor | the benefit of svn is kind of lost |
| 01:01.11 | JademusSreg | You mean to say the benefit of svn isn't version control? =D |
| 01:02.04 | Eldrazor | well, if you can just save multiple files |
| 01:02.11 | Eldrazor | it's just as easy |
| 01:02.28 | Eldrazor | and considering there's only about 3 files that get updated anyway |
| 01:02.34 | Eldrazor | data, triggers & terrain info |
| 01:02.46 | Eldrazor | it's not really worth it |
| 01:02.54 | JademusSreg | Data is divided among -many- different xml files. |
| 01:03.11 | JademusSreg | GUI Triggers are 1 file, the generated mapscript makes it 2. |
| 01:03.45 | Eldrazor | so the only benefit is data |
| 01:04.00 | JademusSreg | The terrain files are divided by purpose, terrain objects like cliffs, pathing, height, texture, et cetera. |
| 01:04.04 | Eldrazor | which, let's be honest, isn't really important to have version control on |
| 01:04.42 | JademusSreg | Then there's preplaced object data, which is, like nearly all the others, a huge xml file. |
| 01:06.43 | Eldrazor | does the trigger editor support enumerations? |
| 01:06.44 | JademusSreg | (The terrain texture blend files are the most notable exception, like a collection of alpha channel images.) |
| 01:07.06 | JademusSreg | Clarify. What form of enumerations? |
| 01:07.15 | Eldrazor | i have this huge list of names |
| 01:07.18 | Eldrazor | which is now in an array |
| 01:07.22 | Eldrazor | which is kind of unwieldy |
| 01:07.33 | Eldrazor | i want to put it in an enumeration like c#/c++ |
| 01:07.44 | JademusSreg | Don't forget Java, haha. |
| 01:07.45 | Eldrazor | enum names { Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, etc." |
| 01:08.08 | Eldrazor | then i can just call them like names[0], names[1] |
| 01:08.18 | JademusSreg | But no, galaxy doesn't have enums, but GUI has Presets. |
| 01:11.46 | Eldrazor | how would you fake a morph? |
| 01:11.48 | Eldrazor | i got the trigger-side down |
| 01:11.54 | Eldrazor | but like |
| 01:12.06 | JademusSreg | I'd use an egg-production like approach. |
| 01:13.16 | Eldrazor | wait |
| 01:13.19 | Eldrazor | that doesn't count as morphing? |
| 01:13.44 | JademusSreg | Nope. Otherwise all zerg units would be broken as fuck. |
| 01:13.48 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 01:14.07 | Eldrazor | do all behaviors get transferred? |
| 01:14.12 | Eldrazor | or rather |
| 01:14.21 | Eldrazor | let's say |
| 01:15.03 | JademusSreg | One could test that; I'm not entirely certain. |
| 01:23.04 | Eldrazor | ok |
| 01:23.06 | Eldrazor | can you tell me |
| 01:23.10 | Eldrazor | how to remove the tooltips in command card? |
| 01:23.15 | Eldrazor | it's actually blocking icons :/ |
| 01:28.54 | JademusSreg | In game > Options > disable simple command card |
| 01:29.14 | JademusSreg | Yeah, absurd, I know. |
| 01:30.08 | JademusSreg | Also, in any map, you'll want to add code for Player Override Option. |
| 01:30.59 | JademusSreg | And similarly disable simple command card that way, in case there's someone out there who somehow hasn't disabled the idiotic option. |
| 01:34.49 | Eldrazor | how do you close opened maps that you haven't opened currently? |
| 01:35.03 | JademusSreg | Window > map name |
| 01:35.25 | Eldrazor | it has to load the map first |
| 01:35.28 | Eldrazor | any way to do without loading? |
| 01:35.52 | JademusSreg | Not that I recall, but I'll check. |
| 01:39.38 | ArcanePariah | Eldrazor, for the long list of names, use the User Types in the data editor to store them. If you are just storing names , you create a user type, then for a field, create a text type field, and call it Name, then create an instance for each Name, call each instance whatever you wwant, and place the name in there. |
| 01:39.51 | MoonEater | ok |
| 01:39.54 | MoonEater | im back |
| 01:40.00 | Eldrazor | tyvm |
| 01:40.04 | Eldrazor | now /sleep |
| 01:40.09 | ArcanePariah | Gnite |
| 01:40.28 | ArcanePariah | Moon, any questions for me solve this evening? |
| 01:40.59 | ArcanePariah | (Not including World Peace, Mission to Mars, and Immortality) |
| 01:48.37 | ArcanePariah | Jade, has anyone ever taken the time to script up some combo of MPQ Editor/SVN that lets your treat a sc2 map as a proper development project instead of passing the entirety of the map file around and more or less forcing only 1 person to have a copy of the map (or forces very strict seperation of duties) |
| 01:49.49 | JademusSreg | May not be necessary, depending on how familiar you are with SC2Components. |
| 01:50.12 | ArcanePariah | Oh, duh, thats right, sc2components is basically like a package list isnt it? |
| 01:50.29 | ArcanePariah | Enumerates all the parts of the mpq to be considered |
| 01:50.32 | JademusSreg | It unpacks the mpq archive as a file directory. |
| 01:50.51 | ArcanePariah | Oh... duh, im an idoit, I forgot about that save option |
| 01:50.58 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 01:52.23 | ArcanePariah | So in that case, just work using the raw components, and have whoever publishes the map save it seperately as the sc2map file |
| 01:52.36 | JademusSreg | Pretty much. |
| 01:53.08 | ArcanePariah | Wished there was a way to script that, instead of going through the slow interface that blizzard makes you do, always is a slight annoyance when it goes to check if the name is being used |
| 01:53.34 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 01:54.45 | JademusSreg | Should be possible. |
| 01:55.08 | Lepton | guys "skip remaining actions" should actually skip every action left in the trigger right? |
| 01:55.13 | Lepton | why doesnt it work.. |
| 01:55.16 | Lepton | >:( |
| 01:57.08 | JademusSreg | Doesn't work in what way? |
| 01:57.33 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/ezjzw |
| 01:58.44 | Lepton | it doesnt skip |
| 01:58.49 | Lepton | the rest of the trigger |
| 01:59.20 | JademusSreg | Informative details? |
| 01:59.52 | MoonEater | jade |
| 02:00.01 | MoonEater | how do i make that cursor splat thingy smaller? |
| 02:00.04 | Lepton | must be an error on my part, ill keep checking |
| 02:00.15 | JademusSreg | Moon, that's not a cursor splat. |
| 02:00.26 | Lepton | just maiking sure that the action is supposed to do that |
| 02:01.29 | MoonEater | JademusSreg, u never told me what it was |
| 02:01.31 | MoonEater | when i asked |
| 02:01.41 | JademusSreg | Lep, if you're calling it, it returns from the function it is in. If it's in a custom action/function called by a trigger, it "skips" the rest of that custom action/function, not the trigger. |
| 02:01.52 | JademusSreg | Moon, I did. -Twice-. |
| 02:02.22 | JademusSreg | Go to the Ability data, find the UI : feedback or whatever field array and change the values. |
| 02:02.50 | JademusSreg | If that doesn't satisfy, change it from the Model or Actor data. |
| 02:03.33 | Lepton | JademusSreg, its ina periodic trigger |
| 02:03.58 | Lepton | and by "skip" we mean not execute the rest of the actions right? |
| 02:04.06 | JademusSreg | Lep, then you expected it to make the trigger stop running? |
| 02:06.12 | JademusSreg | The periodic event means that when the event is triggered, a new thread with its own callstack starts. "Skip" is just a return statement, as I indicated with the pastee link to the SkipRemaining trigger xml. |
| 02:07.30 | JademusSreg | So when you "skip", it returns from one level of the callstack; returning from the only remaining level of the callstack terminates the thread, but the event will continue to trigger new threads. |
| 02:08.13 | JademusSreg | If you want to make the trigger stop running, turn it off. |
| 02:12.24 | Lepton | yes, I meant skip remaining action IN THE CURRENT THREAD |
| 02:12.52 | Lepton | I also have a turn trigger of |
| 02:12.59 | Lepton | right before |
| 02:14.03 | JademusSreg | If it's not working, it's not reaching the code. |
| 02:15.32 | Lepton | ok |
| 02:15.34 | Lepton | ty |
| 02:16.04 | MoonEater | i need to rotate an actor |
| 02:16.08 | MoonEater | i cant find rotate |
| 02:16.43 | MoonEater | maybe its on the unit? |
| 02:17.11 | JademusSreg | Host Set Operation for siteops. |
| 02:17.44 | JademusSreg | Or was that Host Site Operation |
| 02:17.47 | JademusSreg | Whatever. |
| 02:18.42 | MoonEater | im there at host site operaton |
| 02:18.48 | MoonEater | how to i rotate 90 degrees? |
| 02:19.12 | JademusSreg | With a rotational siteop. |
| 02:19.13 | MoonEater | nvm |
| 02:19.17 | MoonEater | thank you jade |
| 02:19.18 | MoonEater | found it |
| 02:19.45 | Lepton | another question, if you do "fade dialog into transparency..over a period of 0 second" |
| 02:19.57 | Lepton | will it take 0.0625 seconds to execute? |
| 02:20.18 | Lepton | or will it be instant in the thread |
| 02:20.21 | JademusSreg | Should be instant, -after it syncs-. |
| 02:21.02 | Lepton | after it syncs??? |
| 02:21.06 | Lepton | youre confusing me :s |
| 02:21.07 | JademusSreg | So if you're relying on a button to make it happen, the latency will be noticable. |
| 02:21.34 | Lepton | nah its just in the middle of a custom action |
| 02:21.49 | JademusSreg | Then it will appear instant. |
| 02:21.57 | Lepton | I just wanna make sure that it wouldnt act as a "wait 0 second" action |
| 02:22.20 | JademusSreg | Alright, that is not a thing that happens, never assume that for anything ever. |
| 02:23.49 | JademusSreg | There are GUI actions that use waits, but those tend to have Wait in the name of the action. |
| 02:25.13 | MoonEater | JAde i managed to rotate it 90 degrees with SOp90 |
| 02:25.16 | Lepton | ah |
| 02:25.18 | Lepton | ok. |
| 02:25.19 | MoonEater | but i cant find a SO[45 |
| 02:25.33 | JademusSreg | Moon, if you can't find it, make it. |
| 02:25.55 | MoonEater | well i looked at the actor for SOp090 |
| 02:26.06 | MoonEater | i couldnt find any fields for rotation |
| 02:26.14 | MoonEater | looks empty |
| 02:26.25 | JademusSreg | Vectors. |
| 02:26.34 | JademusSreg | Rotational vectors, moon. |
| 02:26.43 | JademusSreg | Forward and Up |
| 02:28.01 | MoonEater | ty jade |
| 02:30.19 | MoonEater | oh shit |
| 02:30.28 | MoonEater | i just realized they r in radials arnt they |
| 02:30.42 | MoonEater | shit i need sqrt2/2 dont i? |
| 02:30.46 | JademusSreg | Rotational vectors. |
| 02:31.20 | MoonEater | 785398163 |
| 02:31.34 | MoonEater | 0.78 |
| 02:34.54 | JademusSreg | You may find this helpful. http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/actors/type/site-operation/explicit-rotation/ |
| 02:38.13 | MoonEater | well |
| 02:38.22 | MoonEater | it doesnt seem to work |
| 02:38.48 | MoonEater | i try y=.5 |
| 02:38.51 | MoonEater | and it round it to 1 |
| 02:38.58 | MoonEater | i tryed .2 rounds it to 1 |
| 02:39.09 | MoonEater | i tried .7 rounds it to 1 |
| 02:41.05 | MoonEater | any numbe i put is rounded to 1 |
| 02:44.46 | MoonEater | JademusSreg |
| 02:45.12 | JademusSreg | Scaled. |
| 02:45.36 | MoonEater | so |
| 02:45.37 | MoonEater | what? |
| 02:45.40 | MoonEater | do i do |
| 02:45.49 | MoonEater | if everythign reverts to 1 |
| 02:46.11 | JademusSreg | For instance, 2, -1, 1 would be, by that description, 1,-0.5,0.5 |
| 02:49.18 | MoonEater | now its getto leaning |
| 02:49.27 | MoonEater | and has done a full rotation |
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| 02:50.44 | JademusSreg | You didn't use -those- values, did you? Haha |
| 02:51.47 | MoonEater | no |
| 02:51.52 | MoonEater | were those the right ones? |
| 02:52.09 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 02:52.15 | JademusSreg | Just an example. |
| 02:53.13 | MoonEater | rade... |
| 02:53.15 | MoonEater | jade |
| 02:53.19 | MoonEater | this shit makes no sence still |
| 02:53.28 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 02:53.31 | MoonEater | if i remembered anything about vectors from trig |
| 02:53.39 | MoonEater | maybe this would make more sense |
| 02:53.49 | MoonEater | but even with scalers if i remember this doesnt make sense |
| 02:53.56 | JademusSreg | Did you try 0.5,0.5,0? |
| 02:54.18 | JademusSreg | Or 1,1,0 |
| 02:54.41 | MoonEater | ive been changing only one number |
| 02:55.08 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 02:56.02 | MoonEater | welll |
| 02:56.04 | MoonEater | that worked |
| 02:56.06 | MoonEater | u asshole |
| 02:56.25 | JademusSreg | Yes, that is correct. |
| 02:56.49 | MoonEater | lol, so new question |
| 02:56.56 | MoonEater | how do i remove effects from models? |
| 02:57.11 | JademusSreg | That question doesn't make sense. Please try again. |
| 02:57.39 | MoonEater | Descructable wall Strait had a electic field above it |
| 02:57.45 | MoonEater | how do i remove it |
| 02:58.02 | MoonEater | can i turn off animation maybe? |
| 02:58.11 | JademusSreg | Play a different animation. |
| 03:00.10 | MoonEater | only has stand animation |
| 03:00.26 | MoonEater | Zolden |
| 03:00.28 | JademusSreg | Is that what the cutscene editor says? |
| 03:00.30 | MoonEater | damn |
| 03:00.33 | MoonEater | yes |
| 03:00.34 | MoonEater | it is |
| 03:00.56 | MoonEater | may need to ask zolden to remove it |
| 03:01.06 | JademusSreg | Then either texture swap or don't use the model. |
| 03:01.49 | MoonEater | i think zolden could quickly chop it out for me |
| 03:01.57 | MoonEater | and not give me a hard time |
| 03:02.01 | MoonEater | anyways anohter issue |
| 03:02.25 | MoonEater | why is the wall snapping to .5 on the editor |
| 03:02.32 | MoonEater | can i make it snap it xx.0? |
| 03:02.47 | JademusSreg | If it has a footprint, it will snap. No exceptions. |
| 03:03.01 | MoonEater | so if i edit the foot print |
| 03:03.07 | MoonEater | i can make it snap to xx.0? |
| 03:03.08 | JademusSreg | Units suffer that limitation for the sake of the build grid. |
| 03:03.11 | JademusSreg | And no. |
| 03:03.39 | JademusSreg | Doodads do not have the same limitation, but cannot be dynamically instanced, only preplaced. |
| 03:04.08 | MoonEater | wait |
| 03:04.10 | MoonEater | all units |
| 03:04.16 | MoonEater | or just non buildings? |
| 03:04.23 | JademusSreg | Any unit with a footprint. |
| 03:04.59 | MoonEater | kk |
| 03:11.18 | Lepton | another question JademusSreg, if you turn off a trigger it wont affect current instances of this trigger right? |
| 03:11.27 | Lepton | just will prevent it wrom running again |
| 03:12.03 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 03:12.15 | Lepton | :) |
| 03:12.51 | MoonEater | JAde! |
| 03:13.01 | MoonEater | i can offset the actors cant i? |
| 03:13.17 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 03:13.43 | MoonEater | site op? |
| 03:13.48 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 03:17.51 | MoonEater | jade |
| 03:18.04 | MoonEater | i can set the site host animation also right? |
| 03:18.08 | MoonEater | like this security gate |
| 03:18.11 | MoonEater | needs to be lowered |
| 03:18.16 | MoonEater | add site hosts? |
| 03:18.25 | JademusSreg | Er. |
| 03:18.49 | JademusSreg | Those have got nothing to do with one another. |
| 03:21.15 | JademusSreg | Random dump: http://pastebin.com/91504x8m |
| 03:23.20 | MoonEater | jade |
| 03:23.38 | MoonEater | im trying to make Destructable gate unit lower on bith |
| 03:23.42 | MoonEater | like a supply depo |
| 03:23.46 | MoonEater | well |
| 03:23.53 | MoonEater | like supply depo (lowered |
| 03:24.03 | MoonEater | i cant seem to figure i out :/ |
| 03:26.21 | JademusSreg | Well, since it's a unit and you are, for whatever reason, placing the raised version rather than the lowered version, just slap a Birth Effect on the unit data the order it to morph. |
| 03:40.33 | MoonEater | JademusSreg , can i have ground pathing and no build pathing stacked |
| 03:40.39 | MoonEater | cause when i add gound pathing |
| 03:40.49 | MoonEater | they can build on it i think |
| 03:41.43 | JademusSreg | No Build is still ground pathable. |
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| 04:44.21 | ArcanePariah | Moon, for smoke on low HP, you will want a State Monitor Actor and the model actor for the smoke. The state monitor does a check on a period (Think Interval) and runs validators against the host. If a validator passes, it will set the state of the state monitor. You can catch those state changes, and based on which states are active (Valid or not Valid), do actor messages. IN your case, you... |
| 04:44.22 | ArcanePariah | ...will have a 2 states, and when it goes to the low HP state, create the actor with smoke model on the host, when it goes out of the low hp state, destroy that actor (Send a destroy message with Target set to the Actor name of the actor with the smoke model) |
| 04:45.11 | ArcanePariah | Examine the Terran Buildings, they have state monitors to produce the burning effects as they progressive fall in HP |
| 04:48.44 | JademusSreg | ^ Haha |
| 04:48.51 | JademusSreg | Also, back. |
| 05:14.31 | ArcanePariah | I find it interesting all the ways actors can be controlled, like the Age term or the Game Time, both can be used to show progressive display stuff on models |
| 05:15.52 | ArcanePariah | You can even configure actors to only be viewable/usable during replays, so you could devise an entire actor system that will only show on playback, maybe like for a FPS game you could show sight lines and effect lines, as an after action to see how close you missed a shot for instance |
| 05:16.51 | JademusSreg | Yeah, SC2 has a damn fine editor. Unfortunate that such nice tools should be restricted to so small a platform. |
| 05:18.21 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, from what I've read, in many ways its the worst of both worlds, stuck on a limited platform, but a pro level tool that requires enomorous time to learn, as oppossed to say, Game Maker, simple tool, or Unity, full blown engine, complex as hell, but no platform limitations |
| 05:19.16 | JademusSreg | Uncanny Valley of editor/tools. |
| 05:19.46 | ArcanePariah | Also, from what I've heard here in IRC and elsewhere, the engine is geared entirely towards RTS gameplay, and thus has a variety of limitations that, while better then its predecessors, is still limiting. |
| 05:20.29 | ArcanePariah | Like the VM limits, the trigger script limits (though I understand that is not much an issue anymore), the texture limitations, map size, doodad limit, etc. |
| 05:20.44 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 05:21.38 | ArcanePariah | My WAG on those limits is memory, increase any of those limits and people will almost certainly start crashing SC2 over and over because they are running wooden computers, since what you create with the editor will go far beyond the advertised recommended system specs for sc2 |
| 05:21.42 | JademusSreg | Fortunately, I don't limit myself to SC2, or feel entitled enough to make demands on forums, haha. |
| 05:23.03 | ArcanePariah | Like, correct if im wrong, but going from 256 -> 512 in map size will instantly 4x your VRAM and Main RAM reqs, and also increase preload processing and thus load times? Adding more textures will increase VRAM usage considerably as well |
| 05:23.23 | JademusSreg | That's roughly correct, yes. |
| 05:23.42 | ArcanePariah | Combined, either the engine would need serious optimizing or you would start needing top of the line GPUs and 8 gigs ram to play arcade maps |
| 05:24.12 | JademusSreg | A fair approximation, since calculating the actual increase to arbitrary precision would be a purely masturbatory exercise. |
| 05:24.39 | ArcanePariah | I heard that people tried to do 512 sized maps and it flat out crashed SC2, it just couldn't handle it |
| 05:25.25 | JademusSreg | Sort of. Those who got a map to such sizes couldn't do anything in that extra space. |
| 05:26.01 | ArcanePariah | So in short, most of the limits people want raised are possibly technically infeasible, short of a substantial engine optimization or rewrite, which I doubt Blizzard has the time, staff or money for |
| 05:26.42 | JademusSreg | No incentive, no gain relative to the required investment. |
| 05:26.56 | JademusSreg | So nope, not gonna happen. |
| 05:27.51 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, especially since raising most of those limits and making it work gives Blizzard nothing, since melee will never use such sized maps, and the campaign would just break that into separate missions anyhow |
| 05:28.48 | ArcanePariah | Though... depending on how things go, they might get around to some of this stuff, since Blizzard has a tendency to continue to support and patch their products for a fairly lengthy time |
| 05:29.21 | JademusSreg | Modularity is the better bet; loading maps from maps just needs bnet support and that'll please campaign/big map people. |
| 05:29.52 | ArcanePariah | Indeed, if they enabled the transition functions for Bnet, that would probably resolve plenty of issues |
| 05:30.25 | ArcanePariah | Since every one of the limitations is on a per map basis, remove that and the limits may as well not exist |
| 05:31.12 | ArcanePariah | Afaik, the single map = single game is the only reason people are trying to cram so much stuff in, and asking for extra cliff levels, and extra textures nad larger maps |
| 05:31.46 | ArcanePariah | I assume if map linking was implemented, people would do it like WC3 TFT Orc Campaign with Rexxar |
| 05:31.47 | JademusSreg | remembers running a test wherein a map loaded itself "recursively". |
| 05:32.14 | ArcanePariah | With various "zones" being small maps unto themselves |
| 05:32.25 | ArcanePariah | and trigger regions to fire those off |
| 05:32.38 | JademusSreg | (Didn't work on bnet, but it did work.) |
| 05:33.02 | JademusSreg | And yes, single most significant feature they could implement. |
| 05:33.32 | JademusSreg | It would keep people busy for a while, provided it absolutely did not dump the players into a lobby first. |
| 05:33.58 | ArcanePariah | Though I can see how that might be choatic on bnet, since you could have the most "popular" or "rated" map could simply be the PvP arena zone of a large chain of maps, though with map links, the map descriptions could provide links to the parent main map. They would need to create a way to block people from entering the map except from the parent map |
| 05:34.19 | ArcanePariah | So yeah, no lobbies, except for the main map maybe |
| 05:34.35 | ArcanePariah | But at that point, you are letting people create psuedo small sized mmos |
| 05:34.54 | ArcanePariah | (Then again, SCU is going for just that to a degree) |
| 05:35.13 | ArcanePariah | Holy shit... SCU just might make it |
| 05:35.33 | ArcanePariah | Going to be on hell of a sprint to the finish line for their kickstarter |
| 05:38.17 | JademusSreg | It's been my position to avoid influencing others. Unless it serves my purposes, and then at least not directly. |
| 05:38.34 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.19 | ArcanePariah | Smack Fu Master, loool |
| 05:43.57 | ArcanePariah | I love the comments that say "its just a mod" |
| 05:43.58 | JademusSreg | Yeah, the default commentor rank is silly. |
| 05:44.12 | ArcanePariah | So much fail in that statement, I don't know where to begin |
| 05:44.46 | ArcanePariah | I can "Mod" a marine in the editor to be god mode, guess SCU is the same right? /sarcasm |
| 05:46.05 | JademusSreg | In my experience, the people who appreciate the value and labor of design are designers. |
| 05:46.20 | ArcanePariah | And apparently people have an issue with a mod that can be promptly be bought by Blizzzard... where were these people when Valve published L4D, Portal and Dota? |
| 05:46.54 | Bommes | busy playing WoW probably |
| 05:47.08 | ArcanePariah | Hahaha, probably so true |
| 05:47.26 | JademusSreg | Wicked (Soul) Burn. |
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| 06:01.08 | ArcanePariah | One part of the editor I think that is REALLY under used is the text module, it lets you alter anything, I'm fiddingly with how damage displays for attribute bonuses |
| 06:03.16 | JademusSreg | Besides helping people here, the channel also has the advantage of being in the middle of any interesting discoveries, which serves my interests. |
| 06:03.35 | JademusSreg | See any interesting text markup tags? |
| 06:04.01 | ArcanePariah | There is multiple variable references, they are all surrounded by %% |
| 06:04.09 | JademusSreg | Example. |
| 06:04.24 | ArcanePariah | %bonusValue% vs %attributeType% |
| 06:04.34 | JademusSreg | Ah, hardcoded references. |
| 06:04.41 | JademusSreg | OR rather, tokens. |
| 06:04.54 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, I just altered this one |
| 06:05.05 | ArcanePariah | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.25 | ArcanePariah | Its actually vs %attributeType%: |
| 06:05.34 | ArcanePariah | I added the +, worked like a charm |
| 06:06.08 | ArcanePariah | So somehow it knows what attributeType it is... which means it must cross reference somewhere in the UI editor |
| 06:06.19 | JademusSreg | Not necessarily. |
| 06:06.26 | ArcanePariah | And I bet in the UI editor, the Frame is set ot value = Internal |
| 06:06.35 | ArcanePariah | and thus a hardcoded internal reference |
| 06:06.54 | ArcanePariah | Well let me go poke at unit frame where it shows weapon data tooltips |
| 06:07.27 | JademusSreg | Naw, 00EEE9EC%attributeType% |
| 06:07.35 | JademusSreg | * 00EEE9EC %attributeType% |
| 06:08.39 | ArcanePariah | So a hardcoded pointer? |
| 06:09.18 | JademusSreg | Hardcoded token for replacement, sadly. |
| 06:09.23 | JademusSreg | As I expected. |
| 06:09.49 | ArcanePariah | Swell, so it will only work in that text ID, and nowhere else |
| 06:10.10 | JademusSreg | Naw, it's related to the UI frame. |
| 06:10.30 | ArcanePariah | So it only understands that token in the UI frame container? |
| 06:10.43 | ArcanePariah | that specific UI frame that it is in |
| 06:10.45 | JademusSreg | Based on what I'm seeing in the memory strings. |
| 06:11.27 | ArcanePariah | Well at least it works and you can format around them, I just did this and it worked: vs %attributeType% and %attributeType%: + |
| 06:12.37 | ArcanePariah | But at least it permits us to manipulate many of the hard coded tooltips without UI editor, like the tooltip for a hero XP is fomatted as: XP:CurrentXP/Next Level XP |
| 06:13.12 | ArcanePariah | And also... ahhhah, we could simply use the text ID elsewhere and manipulate it from there? |
| 06:13.23 | JademusSreg | Test it. |
| 06:13.48 | ArcanePariah | Because can't you reference other text keys inside a text box? I always wondered what Key was for.... |
| 06:14.26 | JademusSreg | If they handle it how I expect, it won't work, but it would be interesting. |
| 06:14.27 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 06:16.55 | ArcanePariah | Ok, well I have not tested it, but I just remebered, the key tag (<k val = ... /> is to hotkeys |
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| 06:21.55 | ArcanePariah | Lawl, looking at some of the other texts, you can do some weird fun stuff, like make chats show no recipient, or have recipientbe the sender name instead |
| 06:23.11 | Bommes | Are there some new Font styles in the Text Editor by now? |
| 06:23.17 | Bommes | Or still just the basic SC2 ones? |
| 06:23.28 | Bommes | I mean its no big deal to import the ones you need |
| 06:23.45 | Bommes | still it would be nice to have some more variety by default |
| 06:24.02 | ArcanePariah | Well, you can make your own in the text editor |
| 06:24.10 | ArcanePariah | it lets you build font styles as needed |
| 06:24.31 | Bommes | I meant Fonts, not the Styles |
| 06:24.32 | Bommes | sry bad wording |
| 06:24.43 | ArcanePariah | Oh, yeah, just 5 then |
| 06:24.49 | Bommes | mhkay |
| 06:30.26 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 06:30.55 | JademusSreg | You can add fonts. |
| 06:33.03 | ArcanePariah | Ok, stupid question, what tags are allowed in text fields? I take it there is 0 documentation regarding this, beyond what Blizzard has coded already |
| 06:33.43 | JademusSreg | I've got some info there. Hold on. |
| 06:35.21 | ArcanePariah | I'm hoping the text parser is somewhat stupid and just parses text, but if it parses a key value, places the text from that key value instead |
| 06:35.27 | ArcanePariah | and does so blindly |
| 06:39.38 | JademusSreg | I made a paste earlier, yesterday iirc, with some of the markup tags, but not all. |
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| 06:41.10 | Kueken | shark |
| 06:41.18 | ArcanePariah | bait |
| 06:41.46 | Bommes | Has one of you used the AI module already? What would be the application of the Custom Script window? |
| 06:41.46 | ArcanePariah | Trying to do wizardry with text editor, trying to figure out how to reference another text by key inside a text field |
| 06:41.48 | Bommes | hello |
| 06:44.34 | JademusSreg | AI module is basically GUI limiting itself to the attackwave subset of the AI API. |
| 06:45.36 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 06:45.45 | Bommes | ah so custom script is just so you can use all the other AI functions and such? |
| 06:45.54 | JademusSreg | Probably. |
| 06:46.55 | JademusSreg | string dumps the editor. |
| 06:47.34 | ArcanePariah | wonders what that means... |
| 06:49.16 | JademusSreg | Interesting. |
| 06:52.51 | ArcanePariah | We have found something pecuilar or had an insight? |
| 06:53.12 | JademusSreg | A tag I didn't know existed, specifically. |
| 06:53.49 | ArcanePariah | I'm assuming you are assembling a paste with all the tags? |
| 06:54.23 | JademusSreg | If there were enough tags, I would. I'll paste the entire section instead. |
| 06:56.23 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/mwjxx |
| 06:57.36 | JademusSreg | s for style, c for color, k for hotkeys, d for data references, img for images, and info for... |
| 06:58.18 | JademusSreg | I'm not familiar with info, so it's interesting. |
| 06:58.43 | ArcanePariah | Info is for displaying data on a unit, like what weapons it has, what upgrades it has, etc |
| 07:00.03 | Bommes | and you would reference these keys in the Text Editor with %KEY%? |
| 07:00.22 | JademusSreg | Bom, these are markup tags. |
| 07:00.37 | ArcanePariah | No idea, I could try that, but the % tag seems to be for hardcoded references |
| 07:01.17 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 07:01.20 | ArcanePariah | For example the chat bar, when you select the recepient, it is a reference in the text editor, it shows it like this: [%sender%] to [%destination%]:<sp/> |
| 07:02.37 | ArcanePariah | There is also the ~ tag, it is used for the strings in the trigger editor to refer to variables/parameters when you use the UI editor in the hint box, basically the grammar for the function/action |
| 07:02.48 | ArcanePariah | trigger editor* |
| 07:02.50 | ArcanePariah | GUI |
| 07:03.07 | JademusSreg | ~token~ is used for galaxy-compiled text expressions, %token% for hardcoded expressions, and markup tags are, well, tags as one would encounter in a markup language. |
| 07:03.07 | purl | JademusSreg: okay |
| 07:03.19 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 07:03.30 | JademusSreg | purl, what is token |
| 07:03.30 | purl | JademusSreg: I think you lost me on that one |
| 07:03.40 | JademusSreg | purl, what is a token? |
| 07:03.41 | purl | JademusSreg: what are you talking about? |
| 07:04.04 | A1win | morning D: |
| 07:04.07 | JademusSreg | ~token |
| 07:04.18 | JademusSreg | Good morning, A1. |
| 07:06.23 | A1win | it's a good day to go turn some cardboard pieces sideways on the table |
| 07:06.47 | JademusSreg | MtG |
| 07:07.04 | A1win | 20 year birthday celebration, they're giving out free cards |
| 07:08.10 | ArcanePariah | Damm.... Really is 20 years... they handing out new Black Lotuses :D? |
| 07:09.02 | A1win | an event deck and a couple of M14 boosters |
| 07:12.49 | Bommes | JademusSreg: I was just confused by all the tags in your pasted list that don't seem syntactically likely to be tags, but they are just the keywords for the <... val="key"> and such, is that correct? |
| 07:13.09 | JademusSreg | They're not all tags, obviously. |
| 07:13.35 | JademusSreg | Most of them are just labels for shit. |
| 07:15.40 | JademusSreg | Compiling some other related stuff. |
| 07:19.13 | ArcanePariah | It does appear that the values of the tags are being parsed C like, as you can see the fomatted tag for color |
| 07:37.43 | JademusSreg | Also appears to be an h tag. |
| 07:39.16 | JademusSreg | Uncertain if that's for hotkey generation or style or such. |
| 07:40.44 | JademusSreg | Here's some other possibly text-related strings. https://pastee.org/nmkct |
| 07:42.21 | ArcanePariah | Also funny enough, you can change the text for the debugger |
| 07:42.27 | ArcanePariah | like the tab names and such |
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| 10:45.06 | Eldrazor | this one variable tracks all the players, in example |
| 10:45.15 | Eldrazor | if you swap the unit using triggers |
| 10:45.19 | Eldrazor | the old unit will be in the variable |
| 10:45.21 | Eldrazor | not the new one |
| 10:45.39 | JademusSreg | native unitref UnitRefFromVariable (string v); native unit UnitRefToUnit (unitref r); |
| 10:46.29 | JademusSreg | They both have GUI versions, in case that matters. |
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| 10:47.56 | JademusSreg | But UnitRefFromVariable is handy; if the value of the variable changes (a different unit has been assigned to it), the unitref will refer to the unit in the variable. |
| 10:49.08 | Eldrazor | mmh |
| 10:49.18 | Eldrazor | i think i'll stick to the larva train method |
| 10:49.28 | Eldrazor | even though it does other unwieldy things |
| 10:49.53 | Eldrazor | wait that doesn't work either |
| 10:58.18 | Eldrazor | is there even any way to transfer all unit properties & references to that unit to another unit? |
| 10:58.24 | Eldrazor | aside from morphing |
| 10:59.07 | JademusSreg | Sure, probably, if you wanna code it al manually. |
| 10:59.15 | JademusSreg | *all |
| 10:59.30 | Eldrazor | like what |
| 10:59.48 | Eldrazor | i can't think of a way besides morphing to get stuff like hunter seeker missiles to follow the 2ndu nit |
| 11:00.10 | JademusSreg | Hold on, how does this "morph" version differ from base? |
| 11:00.55 | Eldrazor | it's either the larva train method or just swapping them out using triggers |
| 11:01.09 | JademusSreg | Nyet, it's a design question. |
| 11:01.19 | Eldrazor | ugh :/ |
| 11:01.29 | JademusSreg | How does the alternate form differ from the base form? |
| 11:01.44 | Eldrazor | what exactly do you mean? |
| 11:01.46 | Eldrazor | it's got new abilities |
| 11:01.48 | Eldrazor | different actor |
| 11:01.56 | Eldrazor | it's basically a different unit stats-wise |
| 11:02.05 | Eldrazor | but unit A needs to morph into unit B |
| 11:02.09 | Eldrazor | without hitting the ability limit |
| 11:02.19 | Eldrazor | because unit A also needs to be able to morph into C-Z |
| 11:02.46 | JademusSreg | Non-technical description. A design concerns the presentation and sense of the mechanics, not the fields and values and shit. |
| 11:03.02 | Eldrazor | you press button |
| 11:03.03 | Eldrazor | you go into egg |
| 11:03.06 | Eldrazor | you come out as rawr alien |
| 11:03.16 | JademusSreg | From the design, one determines the optimal approach. |
| 11:03.22 | Eldrazor | ok |
| 11:03.24 | Eldrazor | you're a guy |
| 11:03.26 | Eldrazor | you can put on suits |
| 11:03.31 | Eldrazor | (morph #1) |
| 11:03.41 | Eldrazor | but you can also change into various alien types |
| 11:04.24 | JademusSreg | Suits can be handled with bunker/transport like mechanics, no morph required. |
| 11:05.22 | JademusSreg | As for the alien types, how and to what extent do they differ? And here, be as detailed as is practical. |
| 11:05.53 | deadnigga | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKaCFimxyfI |
| 11:06.05 | JademusSreg | (brbi5) |
| 11:06.16 | Eldrazor | for now there's body type, which is hulk smash, brood type, which can lay eggs and create armies, and mind type, which fucks with people's minds using various fancy triggered stuff that makes him look like another player and the sorts |
| 11:06.25 | Eldrazor | but all of those will get evolutions as well |
| 11:06.32 | Eldrazor | and you can only morph into 1 at a time |
| 11:06.34 | Eldrazor | kind of like a tech tree |
| 11:06.42 | Eldrazor | you start out as "infested human" |
| 11:06.48 | Eldrazor | then you can choose body/mind/brood |
| 11:06.54 | Eldrazor | and those also split off into 2 choices |
| 11:07.56 | Kueken | so they change in appearance, stats, abilities, possibly weapon |
| 11:07.59 | Kueken | anything else? |
| 11:08.13 | Eldrazor | oh yeah there's also an inventory |
| 11:08.16 | Eldrazor | needs to be transferred |
| 11:08.43 | Eldrazor | and i want to place flags on alien/suit/etc. |
| 11:08.49 | Eldrazor | be able to place flags* |
| 11:08.57 | Eldrazor | so that i can separate them in the data editor |
| 11:09.06 | Eldrazor | various things only trigger on suit, and others on aliens |
| 11:09.45 | Kueken | in theory, you could use catalogs to change stats/weapons/abilities and destroy the unit actor to instantly create a new one while keeping the unit type |
| 11:09.59 | Eldrazor | wouldn't help with the ability limit |
| 11:10.06 | Kueken | it would |
| 11:10.30 | Kueken | you would use catalog triggers to modify the abilities to use a different inital effect and button |
| 11:10.37 | Kueken | instead of usng a different ability |
| 11:10.46 | Eldrazor | oo |
| 11:10.48 | Eldrazor | nice |
| 11:10.56 | Eldrazor | however, i presume you can't change ability type using that? |
| 11:11.02 | Eldrazor | from effect - target to effect - instant, in example? |
| 11:11.02 | Kueken | not sure if that would work 100% |
| 11:11.25 | Kueken | no, you would need a set of effect-instant and effect-target and whatever else you need and show/hide them |
| 11:11.32 | Kueken | depending on what you need currently |
| 11:11.44 | Eldrazor | yeah, true |
| 11:12.08 | Kueken | it will be a little complicated to set up first, but once you have a generic system, it should be pretty easy |
| 11:12.47 | Kueken | you could even make the system read out stuff for existing abilities and transfer them, if you are more comfortable that way :p |
| 11:12.52 | Eldrazor | i'll see what i can do |
| 11:12.56 | Eldrazor | unfortunately, i gtg |
| 11:13.09 | Kueken | its just a theory, it might work, it might not |
| 11:13.17 | Eldrazor | i'll try when i get back |
| 11:13.41 | Kueken | keep that in mind, you could probably invest a lot of time only to realize that it won't work |
| 11:13.55 | Eldrazor | well |
| 11:13.59 | Eldrazor | it's a pretty vital function |
| 11:14.12 | Kueken | however right now I cannot think of any major issues preventing it from working |
| 11:14.26 | Eldrazor | it sounds great |
| 11:14.40 | Eldrazor | only problem would be the limit on ability types |
| 11:14.45 | Eldrazor | instead of limit on abilities |
| 11:14.51 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 11:15.03 | Eldrazor | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.05 | Kueken | okay, Jade, your input please |
| 11:15.15 | Kueken | could the method I suggested work? |
| 11:15.23 | Kueken | brb as well |
| 11:15.45 | JademusSreg | Everything but the abilities being set via catalog. Or rather, changing the command card. |
| 11:16.48 | Kueken | you can modify the button's text and icon |
| 11:17.22 | JademusSreg | True. Not the most MUI approach, but if there's only one covert alien per player, it's doable. |
| 11:17.52 | JademusSreg | Any more than one for a player would break it, but they may not be an issue. |
| 11:20.19 | Kueken | if its limited to a low amount, you could also use multiple sets |
| 11:20.43 | Kueken | identical unit types and abilities besides id |
| 11:21.08 | Kueken | impractical for many, impossible for unlimited |
| 11:22.38 | Kueken | any other major problems? |
| 11:22.43 | Kueken | hotkeys maybe? |
| 11:23.49 | JademusSreg | Well, if one has the sense to replace those slots of the same target type and hotkey, may not be an issue. |
| 11:24.30 | Kueken | yes, and for different target types, you could still stack 2 types of abilities and show/hide whatever you need |
| 11:24.51 | JademusSreg | The primary issue with morphs is the shared ability cap. |
| 11:25.55 | JademusSreg | But with more efficient use of abilities' info and effect arrays, that could be overcome. |
| 11:27.31 | Kueken | so we use catalogs for the abilities and let the morph handle everything else |
| 11:29.59 | JademusSreg | Might be able to avoid the catalogs if the target abilities use the effect arrays to define different icons and effects and tooltips, so one need only modify the ability levels. |
| 11:30.27 | Kueken | possible |
| 11:30.40 | Kueken | then you'd have to be smart about the target modes |
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| 18:56.28 | *** join/#sc2mapster MoonEater (6c586101@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.88.97.1) |
| 18:56.41 | MoonEater | anyone know a good model for a contorl pannel? |
| 19:06.19 | twodie | using plain images |
| 19:45.18 | MoonEater | anyone there |
| 19:54.37 | twodie | im nobody :(( |
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| 19:56.19 | twodie | why are you back?!?!? |
| 19:56.33 | MoonEater | looking for zolden |
| 19:56.34 | MoonEater | bye |
| 19:59.02 | twodie | 001as321fq654fq |
| 20:29.16 | Kueken | damn, youtube is broken |
| 20:29.35 | Kueken | comment section doesn't load like half of the time |
| 20:30.14 | Kueken | (not that the comment section would be worth seeing) |
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| 20:37.32 | Lepton | guise how do you open your social tab in maps where its hidden? |
| 20:37.50 | Lepton | Kueken, looks fine here |
| 20:38.09 | Lepton | updata browser and flash player |
| 20:38.32 | Lepton | but i doubt comments have flash |
| 20:38.37 | Kueken | flash player is updated, browser could probably use one |
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| 20:54.32 | MoonEater | hello? |
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| 21:07.38 | MoonEater | Zolden |
| 21:07.45 | MoonEater | can u fix a model for me? |
| 21:07.55 | MoonEater | shouldnt take u too long maybe 30 min? tops? |
| 21:08.27 | Zolden | what model? |
| 21:08.45 | Zolden | who's DearLeader? I like his nickname |
| 21:08.46 | MoonEater | destructable wall |
| 21:09.05 | MoonEater | i want the top electricity removed |
| 21:09.16 | MoonEater | and the sides rebar removed |
| 21:09.34 | MoonEater | but mainly the top |
| 21:10.20 | MoonEater | is that reasonable? |
| 21:10.34 | MoonEater | i can show u my concept map if u want |
| 21:10.41 | Zolden | if I can import it - yes |
| 21:10.51 | Zolden | but atm I'm not in moscow |
| 21:10.55 | Zolden | so can't do it now |
| 21:11.05 | MoonEater | aww |
| 21:11.06 | MoonEater | damnit |
| 21:11.08 | MoonEater | :/ |
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| 21:11.14 | MoonEater | well i got weeks |
| 21:11.21 | MoonEater | before i do any type of tests |
| 21:12.13 | Zolden | I'll be once in moscow during "weeks", it will happne at next weekend |
| 21:12.45 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 21:12.49 | MoonEater | so how much do u think ull be able to do |
| 21:12.52 | Xapti | Ihaven't fiddled with map editor for really long time |
| 21:13.00 | MoonEater | shoots at jade |
| 21:13.02 | MoonEater | jade |
| 21:13.37 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 21:13.44 | Xapti | for the action "for each player from player group", it says "player" (player variable)... is that new(ish)? |
| 21:14.04 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 21:14.09 | JademusSreg | Ancient, actually. |
| 21:14.12 | Xapti | And am I correct to say that you can just choose any old variable, such as "custom script: 'a' "? |
| 21:14.23 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 21:14.30 | MoonEater | whatim cant seem to get these requiremnets right |
| 21:14.50 | MoonEater | i want to hiode a ability if it has behavior |
| 21:14.57 | Zolden | MoonEater: I have some modelling requests, so if I'll finish them, I'll do what you want |
| 21:15.04 | Xapti | so why do they prompt for a variable if it's optional |
| 21:15.05 | MoonEater | yey1 |
| 21:15.33 | Xapti | or rather why is the trigger disabled if you don't give a varaible aside from leaving it the default "Player"? |
| 21:15.44 | Xapti | *action disabled |
| 21:15.46 | JademusSreg | For Each Player's script macro: https://pastee.org/n8822 |
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| 21:17.07 | JademusSreg | Moon, depends on the type of ability, but in general, you'd use a requirement CountBehaviorAtUnitCompleted or such. |
| 21:17.37 | MoonEater | ya i ahve that |
| 21:17.42 | MoonEater | but then i have not |
| 21:17.47 | MoonEater | release ability |
| 21:17.54 | MoonEater | i mean |
| 21:17.57 | MoonEater | show release ability |
| 21:18.03 | MoonEater | and vise versa for the other |
| 21:18.13 | JademusSreg | ??? |
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| 21:58.06 | Gizd | hello there |
| 21:59.01 | Gizd | anyone knows if there's a way to replace unit's turret with another? in example changing hellion's flamethrower to siegetank's cannon |
| 22:00.16 | Gizd | or at least to "paint" a unit(tint change or something) to make it look different |
| 22:00.24 | Zolden | not sure, if there are tricky ways... I'd attach something to turretZ attachment point, which would cover the initial turret |
| 22:01.05 | Gizd | so I'd need to remove the original weapon and use the attached turret as the main weapon instead, right? |
| 22:02.13 | Zolden | are we talking about weapons or models? |
| 22:03.08 | Gizd | well I want the "exchanged" turret to be used to shoot, not just sit there |
| 22:03.47 | Zolden | so, wer'e talking about models? and under turret you mean a model part? |
| 22:04.23 | Gizd | to be honest, I don't know |
| 22:04.40 | Zolden | and under "shoot" you mean launch visual effects? or the backward move that happen to tank gun? |
| 22:05.18 | Bommes | also called "animation" by some mysterious. I know, weirdos, right? |
| 22:05.25 | Bommes | *mysterious guys |
| 22:06.02 | MoonEater | im back |
| 22:06.04 | MoonEater | Zolden |
| 22:06.16 | MoonEater | if u make this model what kind of credits do u want? |
| 22:06.26 | Bommes | Gizd, turrets are part of the model they belong to so to exchange them you have to either replace the model or you have to cover the old turret by attaching a new, bigger one that completely covers them visually |
| 22:06.28 | MoonEater | im not sure if ill have a loading page |
| 22:06.56 | Gizd | I guess there are no "disembodied" turrets |
| 22:07.05 | Gizd | that I could use as replacement |
| 22:07.20 | Gizd | or more like cover than replacement |
| 22:07.21 | Zolden | MoonEater: I want a dirigible in california skies with "Zolden rocks" text on it |
| 22:07.31 | Bommes | there is an assets pack with a lot of model parts like that on mapster somewhere |
| 22:07.37 | MoonEater | im abit too broke for that |
| 22:07.41 | MoonEater | there is a hill |
| 22:07.47 | MoonEater | in seaside |
| 22:07.50 | Gizd | ok, gonna try to find it I guess |
| 22:07.53 | MoonEater | a giant stuck sand dune |
| 22:08.00 | MoonEater | people take ice plant and write messages |
| 22:08.06 | MoonEater | in it for the passing highway |
| 22:08.50 | Bommes | Gizd, http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/item-drops-armor-and-weapon-each/ |
| 22:09.13 | Zolden | Gizd: or ask someone on forum to cut a turret for you |
| 22:09.22 | Gizd | Ahh, thanks a lot |
| 22:09.52 | Zolden | MoonEater: what's ice plant? |
| 22:11.52 | Zolden | oh, I've got an idea, just eat moon the way it will create "Zolden rocks" on its surface, big enough to be visible in telescope |
| 22:12.43 | MoonEater | https://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hs=rsm&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=sandcity%20california%20sand%20dune&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.51773540,d.cGE,pv.xjs.s.en_US.jkEW54nYU50.O&biw=1120&bih=637&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&sa=N&tab=il |
| 22:12.56 | MoonEater | https://www.google.com/search?q=ice+plant&client=firefox-a&hs=7b7&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=3qQrUtP2L-aXiALD-IDADg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1120&bih=637 |
| 22:13.07 | MoonEater | ops |
| 22:13.11 | MoonEater | google playign havoc |
| 22:15.01 | MoonEater | https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/83939325#comment |
| 22:15.04 | MoonEater | there |
| 22:15.12 | MoonEater | u can see google maps |
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| 22:16.25 | Zolden | can I please not click it now? my internet suck |
| 22:16.38 | MoonEater | just photo |
| 22:16.43 | MoonEater | and maybe google maps |
| 22:16.51 | MoonEater | and one is ice plant |
| 22:16.57 | MoonEater | https://www.google.com/search?q=ice+plant&client=firefox-a&hs=7b7&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=3qQrUtP2L-aXiALD-IDADg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1120&bih=637 |
| 22:16.57 | Zolden | i just don't get what ice have to do with the fact that people draw whit |
| 22:16.59 | MoonEater | thats ice plant |
| 22:17.08 | MoonEater | grows all over california |
| 22:17.23 | MoonEater | down in monterey it turns the beach purple durring parts of the year |
| 22:17.26 | Zolden | is ice plant - a place where people grow ice for their refrigerators? |
| 22:17.36 | MoonEater | uh no.. |
| 22:17.44 | Zolden | ok, ice plant is flower |
| 22:18.28 | Zolden | and people draw with the flower's seed? |
| 22:18.55 | Zolden | guess, their drawings are badly intersecting and turn the place into chaos |
| 22:20.32 | Zolden | nice dune, i like dunes |
| 22:23.01 | Lepton | so.. |
| 22:23.06 | Lepton | guise how do you open your social tab in maps where its hidden? |
| 22:23.17 | ArcanePariah | How does one alter the size of a Unit Status Dialog Item? I tried using the trigger action but it seemingly didn't do anything, so was not sure if I needed to go take a look at the UI editor |
| 22:23.18 | Lepton | i believe theres a keyboard command |
| 22:23.22 | Lepton | to open it |
| 22:23.25 | ArcanePariah | Lepton: It is a shortcut |
| 22:23.31 | ArcanePariah | Look in your hotkeys |
| 22:23.36 | Lepton | ok |
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| 22:37.10 | Gizd | Bommes: how do I make these models show up in data editor after importing them |
| 22:37.27 | Gizd | nothing is simple in this editor QQ |
| 22:38.16 | Zolden | Gizd: attaching model to unit is well described in tutorials and threads, just search on forum |
| 22:38.55 | Gizd | I found an attaching tutorial, I just can't get the model to show up on the list in data editor |
| 22:39.10 | Zolden | there is "models" tab |
| 22:39.49 | Zolden | create a new entry, and put the model file you importer in model entry's "model" field |
| 22:40.13 | Gizd | yes, but that model file is nowhere to be seen |
| 22:40.47 | Gizd | importing seems not to work |
| 22:44.12 | Zolden | it should be seen in the model files list after you enter in the model's model field |
| 22:44.42 | Gizd | omg the name is misspelled |
| 22:44.46 | Gizd | "seigetank" |
| 22:46.46 | Zolden | :) |
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| 22:54.24 | Xapti | what does alliance aspect "shared power" do? |
| 22:55.38 | Zolden | may it be pylon related thing? |
| 22:56.03 | Xapti | I was kinda thinking that, but that seems strange and I haven't heard of it |
| 22:57.01 | Zolden | editor is made of things you never heard about |
| 22:57.33 | Xapti | meh... maybe only because I haven't used in it years |
| 22:57.54 | Xapti | although I don't remember for certain if it's new or not |
| 22:58.24 | Zolden | Dustin, look: DearLeader nickname can by tuned into DearDealer |
| 22:59.03 | Zolden | maybe new, they added some things with the 2.0.10 patch that was relatively recently released |
| 23:05.54 | Lepton | ArcanePariah, ctrl+f11 |
| 23:05.57 | Lepton | fuk yea |
| 23:09.06 | Lepton | when you watch a replay with a friend |
| 23:09.14 | Lepton | and hes the one making the party |
| 23:09.21 | Lepton | where does the replay you download go? |
| 23:09.27 | Lepton | id like to know that.. |
| 23:09.37 | Lepton | I looked all over my documents |
| 23:09.47 | MoonEater | looks like im posting triggering tutorials |
| 23:09.50 | MoonEater | with war girl |
| 23:09.51 | MoonEater | :/ |
| 23:09.52 | MoonEater | XD |
| 23:10.07 | MoonEater | you should see it |
| 23:11.33 | Lepton | what |
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| 23:24.08 | Zolden | Hey Triceron |
| 23:24.16 | Zolden | checked my most in your thread? |
| 23:24.16 | Triceron | Ahoy Zolden |
| 23:24.20 | Zolden | *post |
| 23:24.26 | Triceron | yah, I saw it |
| 23:24.33 | Triceron | not sure why it's darker or anything |
| 23:24.47 | Triceron | does the diffuse map look darker in the importer? |
| 23:25.20 | Zolden | reason doesn't matter, the thing is that we can control it in material |
| 23:26.10 | Zolden | for example, in diffuse map there is multiplier and add factors, for contrast and brightness of the map |
| 23:27.02 | Zolden | maybe I just made my guys too bright |
| 23:27.15 | Triceron | I don't usually tweak those settings in the shaders |
| 23:27.35 | Triceron | at most the spec/emissive multipliers and specular settings |
| 23:27.37 | Zolden | at least, you could increase materialspecular mu |
| 23:27.52 | Zolden | at least, you could increase material's specular multipplier |
| 23:28.26 | Zolden | most of blizz models have much more than 1 there, like between 3 to 7 |
| 23:28.32 | Triceron | I try to keep that to a minimum unless I have a dedicated spec map. For most of the units, I'm just plugging the diffuse back into it to avoid having more maps |
| 23:29.25 | Zolden | i like how archer's spec look, btw |
| 23:30.49 | Zolden | btw, spec map can only have once channel, and be put as normal map's R channel, since diffuse map uses all its channels |
| 23:31.18 | Triceron | oh that's a good trick |
| 23:31.31 | Zolden | but if you use diffuse map as specular, you can at least tweak its color to be less colorful and more contrast |
| 23:31.51 | Triceron | by default all normal maps only use the alpha and Green right? |
| 23:31.57 | Zolden | yea |
| 23:32.11 | Triceron | i've seen them put something in the blue before |
| 23:32.13 | Zolden | r and b can be used for spec and emissive maps |
| 23:32.19 | Triceron | was never sure what they plugged that into tho |
| 23:32.24 | Triceron | ahh |
| 23:32.35 | Triceron | makes sense, I might use that trick for the Mage |
| 23:32.40 | Triceron | i need to make a new emmissive for it |
| 23:33.00 | Triceron | I finally got glows working. I realized I have to use a new emmissive specific shader to get the results I want |
| 23:33.09 | Zolden | also, normal map can have twice lower resolution |
| 23:33.12 | Zolden | to save space |
| 23:33.16 | Zolden | it's not critical |
| 23:33.24 | Triceron | otherwise just adding emissive to a regular 'Specular-Opaque' shader doesn't really look good |
| 23:33.45 | Triceron | making an Emissive-Add works way better, gives a proper glow |
| 23:34.01 | Zolden | yea |
| 23:34.07 | Triceron | Death Knight and Mage are probably 90% done now |
| 23:34.11 | Triceron | lots of stuff fixed :D |
| 23:34.25 | Zolden | do you use that "specularity" parameter? |
| 23:34.33 | Zolden | cool |
| 23:35.06 | Triceron | which parameter is that? |
| 23:35.08 | Zolden | also, have you tried to use that "fresnel" thing? |
| 23:35.14 | Triceron | yes I've tried Fresnel |
| 23:35.18 | Triceron | I use it for my Water Elemental |
| 23:35.33 | Triceron | gives it a nice blue 'outline', like the Protoss Preserver |
| 23:35.40 | Zolden | specularity is a parameter of the material, where you can set values like medium, small, tiny, etc |
| 23:35.47 | Triceron | I set all to Tiny |
| 23:36.02 | Triceron | I tried the other settings, I find Tiny is the one that fits best with SC2 |
| 23:36.03 | Zolden | tiny is good for metallic surfaces |
| 23:36.14 | Zolden | well, maybe |
| 23:37.14 | Zolden | also fresnel can be set to "inverted" to be the brighter the less angle between view vector and model's normal |
| 23:37.15 | Triceron | I'm keeping everything looking metallic even if it doesn't fit for flesh and other stuff. I'm trying to emulate the 'rendered' look from Warcraft 2 sprites, they all have pretty sharp highlights |
| 23:38.00 | Triceron | oh hey had a question about physics, have you played with that any? |
| 23:38.11 | Triceron | I'm trying to figure explosions |
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| 23:38.23 | Triceron | I want to test a death anim soon for my skeletons |
| 23:38.27 | Zolden | only used physics to interact with particles |
| 23:38.29 | Stewox | hey people |
| 23:38.36 | Triceron | make bones fly apart |
| 23:38.41 | Stewox | can I make custom texture sets ? |
| 23:39.01 | Triceron | you can, and apply them to units using Select Texture by ID using data |
| 23:39.07 | Zolden | Triceron: ask Tomura guy, he's frequently in this chat and played with physics |
| 23:39.10 | Stewox | is the number of textures in a texture set limited ? |
| 23:39.24 | Stewox | I am talking about terrain triceron |
| 23:39.37 | Triceron | oh, then I wouldn't know much about terrain |
| 23:39.54 | Zolden | Stewox: yea, you can load custom terrain textures somwhere |
| 23:40.02 | Stewox | the map I am trying to make will look bad with such ridicolous limitations |
| 23:40.03 | Zolden | check data tabs that has terrain in their names |
| 23:40.31 | Stewox | I have tried making it manually but the engine won't accept more than a certain number of textures |
| 23:40.35 | Zolden | Stewox: also, splats can replace terrrain textures. Also creep texture can be used |
| 23:40.38 | Stewox | in one texture set |
| 23:40.56 | Zolden | yea, 8 is max |
| 23:41.10 | Stewox | that is a very uneffective way, it would require a lot of preparation to even start making the map |
| 23:41.19 | Stewox | you said terrain objects ? |
| 23:41.52 | Zolden | splats are textures that get projected to the terrain and replace it |
| 23:42.04 | Stewox | but, terrain objects aren't modifiable right ? |
| 23:42.22 | Zolden | i don't know what are you meaning under terrain objects |
| 23:42.35 | Stewox | I do not want to simply replace them, I wanted to create a texture set when I can use all of the textures in the game |
| 23:43.03 | Zolden | just pick 8 best fit your map |
| 23:43.04 | Stewox | i will not try to make this map if I do not get successful with this requirement |
| 23:43.08 | Zolden | you can't get more |
| 23:43.53 | Zolden | oh, time to sleep |
| 23:43.56 | Zolden | cya everyone |
| 23:44.21 | Stewox | if I get the best for jungle environments, desert, installation, urban, then all of those distinct areas will only have 2 textures to work with at best |
| 23:45.06 | Triceron | I don't get why there's even a limit |
| 23:57.16 | MoonEater | back |
| 23:59.03 | Triceron | hey Mooneater |
| 23:59.07 | Triceron | what you workin on? |
| 23:59.50 | MoonEater | this noobie (and im not all knowing myself) wanted to know about triggers (which im very profiecient in) |
| 23:59.56 | MoonEater | she decided to record it |