IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20130902

`00:01.14`	`Necromoni`	`.`
`00:01.31`	`Bommes`	`and we did it with pure skill, clearly`
`00:03.45`	`Bommes`	`lol MANvsGAME Twitter https://twitter.com/MANvsGAME/status/374315686329200640/photo/1`
`00:03.46`	`Bommes`	`from Pax`
`00:08.46`	`Necromoni`	`.`
`00:11.00`	`Bommes`	`also, on another note: Transistor looks incredible`
`00:14.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Zoop.`
`00:15.18`	`Ahli`	`hmmm, I need to check if I can find dirtybomb aka extraction footage from pax...`
`00:16.11`	`Ahli`	`what's up with the kappa stuff anyway? Has it any meaning?`
`00:25.37`	`Bommes`	`it has universal meaning`
`00:25.44`	`Bommes`	`some say it is the meaning of everything`
`00:26.18`	`Bommes`	`others say its just an emoticon to troll or be sarcastic`
`01:04.36`	`Necromoni`	`.`
`02:02.19`	`Necromoni`	`.`
`02:05.49`	`Vailreth`	`hey`
`02:08.27`	`Necromoni`	`hi`
`02:08.54`	`Vailreth`	`not a lot going on eh?`
`02:09.03`	`Necromoni`	`nope`
`02:09.38`	`Necromoni`	`procastinating on my map cuz the data work is tyring`
`02:09.52`	`Vailreth`	`i see`
`02:09.54`	`Necromoni`	`tiring*`
`02:10.12`	`Vailreth`	`what kind of data work? grunt stuff or what?`
`02:10.24`	`Necromoni`	`levelable abilities >.>`
`02:10.30`	`Vailreth`	`ah`
`02:10.34`	`Necromoni`	`monotonous shit`
`02:10.46`	`Necromoni`	`copy pasting`
`02:10.49`	`Vailreth`	`you know switch effects and validators can make those easier to build`
`02:11.05`	`Necromoni`	`:o`
`02:11.22`	`Necromoni`	`how?`
`02:11.29`	`Necromoni`	`sounds like more work to me`
`02:11.47`	`Necromoni`	`i'd have to make 1 more effect and validators`
`02:12.06`	`Vailreth`	`instead of an effect tree for each level`
`02:12.43`	`Vailreth`	`you make one effect tree and then have that end with a switch that checks the level of the ability and fires of the correctly level final effect`
`02:13.46`	`Necromoni`	`O.o but the ability itslef already checks for the level of the ability?`
`02:13.57`	`Necromoni`	`ai dont understand what you're saying really`
`02:14.11`	`Vailreth`	`ok lets say you have a three level ability,`
`02:14.20`	`Necromoni`	`k`
`02:15.25`	`Vailreth`	`instead of creating three sets of effects one for each level... you can create one effect set for all three that uses a switch effect to get the level of the ability when its used and procede with a different final effect depending on the level`
`02:16.14`	`Necromoni`	`oh you mean each effect would be switch`
`02:16.45`	`Vailreth`	`do you program any?`
`02:16.51`	`Necromoni`	`no`
`02:16.58`	`Necromoni`	`i just started to learn`
`02:17.38`	`Vailreth`	`well the switch effect is just like a Switch statement in some langauges and in the trigger editor only for data effects`
`02:18.12`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Necromoni_ (c87bd416@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.123.212.22)`
`02:18.16`	`Necromoni_`	`o.o`
`02:18.17`	`Necromoni_`	`i d/ced`
`02:18.30`	`Necromoni_`	`but i'm still herer`
`02:18.39`	`Vailreth`	`odd.`
`02:19.12`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`fake me should drop any moment`
`02:19.29`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`hows the card game going anyways`
`02:20.41`	`Vailreth`	`its going well i need to actually make the cards now but i have photoshop set up to do so when i take the time`
`02:22.34`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`cool`
`02:22.43`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`need testers? :o`
`02:22.51`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`lol`
`02:23.10`	`Vailreth`	`i will later`
`02:26.27`	`Vailreth`	`right now i trying to teach my self 3d modeling so i can make my pieces for a miniature war game`
`02:26.55`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`o.o`
`02:28.46`	`Vailreth`	`?`
`02:30.07`	`Vailreth`	`also i picked up unity and am going to try my hand at making a game`
`02:32.38`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Eph289 (~chatzilla@wikia/Ataru)`
`02:34.24`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`any idea what genre u'll be starting with`
`02:35.01`	`Vailreth`	`turn based or real time strategy`
`02:42.33`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`hm`
`02:43.25`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`if i were to make a game i'd start ripping off wc3 maps, seems like thats where the money is`
`02:44.05`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`a nice polished wc3 custom map that was an odd genre`
`02:44.16`	`Eph289`	`Would anyone happen to have some time to help with Data Editor questions?`
`02:44.16`	`Vailreth`	`hm`
`02:44.23`	`Vailreth`	`i can try`
`02:44.28`	`Eph289`	`Some of them will be easy, some probably not so much :P`
`02:44.46`	`Eph289`	`First, the easy one. How do you get a Validator to accept multiple values?`
`02:44.49`	`Vailreth`	`i cant open the editor right now but i will do my best to answer`
`02:44.58`	`Vailreth`	`combine validator`
`02:45.00`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`you need one that combines them`
`02:45.09`	`Eph289`	`So make 2 validators, and then a combine one?`
`02:45.16`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`yep`
`02:45.17`	`ArcanePariah`	`Yes`
`02:45.23`	`Vailreth`	`yep`
`02:45.27`	`ArcanePariah`	`Combine can be logical OR or logical AND`
`02:45.41`	`ArcanePariah`	`also they can negate as well, so NOR and NAND are available`
`02:45.43`	`Eph289`	`In this case, I'm interested in logical OR`
`02:45.53`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`ya well there are fields to set that`
`02:46.01`	`ArcanePariah`	`Yes, then you create a combine, set it to OR, and add each one to it`
`02:46.05`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`NEXT QUESTION`
`02:46.09`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`:o`
`02:46.14`	`ArcanePariah`	`Is Necromoni Real?`
`02:46.20`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`depends`
`02:46.26`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`are you talking about real necromoni`
`02:46.28`	`ArcanePariah`	`Perfect answer`
`02:46.28`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`or necromoni`
`02:46.29`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`the fake`
`02:46.37`	`Eph289`	`O.o.`
`02:46.38`	`ArcanePariah`	`Yes`
`02:46.39`	`Eph289`	`Necro-ception`
`02:46.46`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`when will he leave`
`02:47.10`	`ArcanePariah`	`Anyhow, back to the matter at hand, Eph, what other data questions do you have?`
`02:47.23`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`hey, i asked that`
`02:47.40`	`Eph289`	`Oh. Next few might require some more actual editor knowledge. >_>`
`02:47.48`	`ArcanePariah`	`Yes, but I derailed it, so it is my repsonsability to un derail it`
`02:47.53`	`ArcanePariah`	`No problem`
`02:47.55`	`ArcanePariah`	`Fire away`
`02:47.57`	`Eph289`	`What's the thing you have to change to make creep tumors go back to the melee version`
`02:48.12`	`Eph289`	`Instead of the insane campaign tumors that carpet the entire map to the point where only nukes can effectively clear them and the FPS goes to shyt`
`02:48.23`	`Eph289`	`>_>`
`02:48.29`	`Eph289`	`<_<`
`02:48.34`	`Eph289`	`That was an interesting playtest`
`02:49.02`	`Vailreth`	`how many creep tumors did you have?`
`02:49.04`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`huh`
`02:49.07`	`ArcanePariah`	`The simplest and fastest method is the following: Select the creep tumor unit, right click on it, and reset to parent and select a parent that is not part of the swarm dependencies`
`02:49.29`	`Necromoni\|Real`	`lol`
`02:49.51`	`Eph289`	`Does that require having more than one dependency loaded?`
`02:49.58`	`ArcanePariah`	`No`
`02:50.10`	`Eph289`	`@Vailreth the AI spawned several hundred of them. It was a big map with 2 Zergs.`
`02:50.12`	`Eph289`	`O.O`
`02:50.55`	`Eph289`	`@Arcane: Maybe I'm being dumb, but I only see "reset", not "reset to parent" option.`
`02:51.22`	`ArcanePariah`	`Yes, I see it as well, my bad, it apparently will not let you, which is odd.`
`02:51.28`	`Vailreth`	`ah you may need to go to the spawn creeptumor ability used by that particualr creeptumor and give the ability a charge and have it use that charge when used.`
`02:51.39`	`ArcanePariah`	`Eph, found a workaround`
`02:51.57`	`ArcanePariah`	`select every field (if you are in table mode), and reset the fields to the parent values`
`02:52.11`	`ArcanePariah`	`And select the Liberty parent`
`02:52.22`	`ArcanePariah`	`That will revert it back to WoL normal creep tumor`
`02:52.29`	`Eph289`	`okay`
`02:52.31`	`Eph289`	`Thanks`
`02:52.35`	`Eph289`	`Insane creep was . . . insane`
`02:53.00`	`Eph289`	`Think every map square on nearly a third of an 8-player map had a creep tumor on it`
`02:53.29`	`Eph289`	`All right, next question. What is the effect or behavior that makes banelings roll?`
`02:53.59`	`Vailreth`	`i believe its an actor thing`
`02:54.00`	`Eph289`	`I'm pretty sure there's some kind of validator for that, because I'm trying to make some alternate banelings do the roly-poly also.`
`02:54.15`	`Eph289`	`Right now, I have deceptively fast alternate banelings that take the speed effect, but don't roll.`
`02:54.27`	`ArcanePariah`	`They are given the upgrade, which probably fufills an actor valdiator on the baneling instructing it on how its movement animations are done`
`02:54.41`	`Vailreth`	`yeah what AP said`
`02:54.51`	`ArcanePariah`	`Since validators can chekc against player requirements being fufilled`
`02:55.06`	`Eph289`	`I see a validator called Baneling Centrifugal Hooks Researched`
`02:55.17`	`Eph289`	`But it doesn't link to anything else that I see.`
`02:55.33`	`ArcanePariah`	`The data naviagtor does not do well in showing links to actor fields`
`02:55.38`	`Vailreth`	`yes its used in the actor events ...`
`02:56.06`	`ArcanePariah`	`IN this case, for the baneling, it is a direct actor message, once the upgrade is done, it applies a animation group and changes the animatin walk speed`
`02:56.38`	`Eph289`	`Interesting. I looked in the actors under "Baneling" and didn't see anything too obvious`
`02:56.44`	`ArcanePariah`	`In this case, to make thme roll, just apply the anaimation group "Superior"`
`02:56.55`	`ArcanePariah`	`And you are done`
`02:57.26`	`Eph289`	`Whoa, you guys lost me. I'm still trying to find what animation groups are under`
`02:57.32`	`Eph289`	`Is that under actors?`
`02:57.36`	`ArcanePariah`	`Yes`
`02:57.43`	`ArcanePariah`	`Go into the Baneling unit Actor`
`02:57.48`	`ArcanePariah`	`go into its events`
`02:58.11`	`ArcanePariah`	`Let me back up and explain what animation groups even are`
`02:58.34`	`ArcanePariah`	`Every model has animation data, with specific names for each animation (Walk, Attack, etc.)`
`02:58.38`	`Eph289`	`sure`
`02:59.12`	`ArcanePariah`	`However, these can be grouped together. This means I can make an animation part of say, group A and it becomes A Walk, A Attack, A etc.`
`02:59.22`	`Eph289`	`gotcha`
`02:59.36`	`ArcanePariah`	`IN this way I can have the same animation name (Walk) but different versions based on groups (A, B, Spell, Whatever)`
`03:00.30`	`ArcanePariah`	`When you apply agroup, it will only use animations in that group, so if I tell a actor to Walk animiate and its group is set to a nondefault, it will use the nondefault one. IN this case, the Baneling has a Superior group, which has its Walk animation as the the rolling`
`03:00.46`	`Eph289`	`ok`
`03:01.09`	`Eph289`	`I'm looking at the baneling unit actor`
`03:01.13`	`Eph289`	`where is the group applied?`
`03:01.16`	`ArcanePariah`	`So insted of checking for stuff every time I tell it to walk, I just set the group and continue to just tell it to Walk`
`03:01.46`	`Eph289`	`okay, that makes sense on the data structure.`
`03:02.02`	`Eph289`	`The group is a way of shortcutting the amount of checks for the animations.`
`03:02.06`	`ArcanePariah`	`Correct`
`03:02.39`	`ArcanePariah`	`I can tell the unit to Walk every time it moves, and not check each time for what animation it REALLY needs to play, it will automagically do the correct one`
`03:03.01`	`Eph289`	`which is probably very nice from a performance standpoint`
`03:03.20`	`ArcanePariah`	`Another unit that has this heavily is Spectre, they have a complete set of animiations for when they are holding fire, when he puts the weapon on is back and his hands are free`
`03:03.30`	`ArcanePariah`	`UNder the Group called Cover`
`03:03.41`	`Eph289`	`Interesting. Now where do you add a group on the unit actor?`
`03:04.24`	`ArcanePariah`	`Since you want it done immediately to your baneling, you would create an event "Actor Creation" and the message for that event will be "AnimGroupApply"`
`03:04.34`	`ArcanePariah`	`For the value of it, put Superior`
`03:04.40`	`Eph289`	`Ah, under the events`
`03:05.02`	`ArcanePariah`	`Correct`
`03:05.02`	`Eph289`	`I see it now on the original baneling.`
`03:05.44`	`Eph289`	`all right, I should be able to get that figured out.`
`03:05.49`	`ArcanePariah`	`yes, as you can see, it checks on actor creation if the upgrade has been researched, and applie the group, and also has an event for when the upgrade is initally researched, so that it applies to all existing banelings and all future ones`
`03:06.12`	`Eph289`	`Yeah, I should be able to duplicate those events on my alternate banelings.`
`03:06.27`	`ArcanePariah`	`MMhmm, duplicate the event,s and remove the validator or place your own`
`03:06.29`	`Eph289`	`So that everyone can experience the joys of deadly green bowling balls of doom`
`03:07.09`	`Eph289`	`All right, this next one might be the one that I've spent the most time at (and failing)`
`03:07.25`	`Eph289`	`I'm trying to give an upgrade to Mutalisks that just boosts their initial first-hit damage.`
`03:07.58`	`Eph289`	`I tried to co-opt an existing upgrade I found in the data that seemed to do that, but whenever I research that upgrade, it stops the glave bouncing effects and the animation/actor is all screwed up.`
`03:08.20`	`Eph289`	`Would it be better just to make a new upgrade instead of trying to mine something from the existing files?`
`03:08.40`	`ArcanePariah`	`Ok, the mutalisk employs a somewhat complex system, where it launches a missle, and the impact effect is a search (to launch the next projectile) and does the damage. Each impact damage is a seperate effect`
`03:09.01`	`Eph289`	`right`
`03:09.11`	`ArcanePariah`	`Yes, create a new upgrade, and have it upgrade the first damage effect`
`03:09.15`	`Eph289`	`I figured that much out from playing with Siege Tanks awhile ago :P`
`03:10.09`	`ArcanePariah`	`From what I'm loooking at, you need ot upgrade the Mutalisk Glavie Worm (Damage) effect, but not the Second Impact or Third Impact ones`
`03:11.29`	`Eph289`	`ok`
`03:13.16`	`Eph289`	`all right, I think I have the upgrade made. Looks simple enough.`
`03:13.52`	`Eph289`	`Next question is I was trying to use the Corpser roaches from campaign.`
`03:14.26`	`Eph289`	`And when I set the "Roach Corpser Apply Behavior" effect with the validator of "Is Roach Corpser" . . . nothing happened`
`03:14.30`	`Eph289`	`No mini-roaches`
`03:14.59`	`Vailreth`	`i think to enable the effects and everything you have to enable two or so campaign upgrades`
`03:15.11`	`Eph289`	`They're enabled`
`03:15.16`	`Vailreth`	`ah.`
`03:15.38`	`Eph289`	`I made them into researches so there's no ridiculously 8 minute roach busts`
`03:15.49`	`Eph289`	`But they're definitely enabled with the right prerequisites`
`03:16.01`	`Vailreth`	`ah i cant take a look as my graphics card is abit busy`
`03:16.30`	`Eph289`	`no worries, I appreciate all the help you guys have given.`
`03:16.35`	`Vailreth`	`but i have the weapon to a hero unit i working on and enabling them allowed his wepaon to spawn roachlings`
`03:16.40`	`Eph289`	`I never even knew about all that actor stuff Arcane was talking about.`
`03:16.44`	`Vailreth`	`gave*`
`03:17.13`	`Vailreth`	`yes i am still stumbling through that sort of thing my self i need it so rarelyt`
`03:17.33`	`ArcanePariah`	`Well, assuming all the validators/reqs are fine, all you need to add is Roachling infestation to the unit you want to be the attacker`
`03:17.55`	`ArcanePariah`	`Acutally nvm`
`03:18.06`	`ArcanePariah`	`thats the behavior applied to the victim`
`03:18.07`	`ArcanePariah`	`odd`
`03:18.50`	`Eph289`	`the way I think it works is that the attacker is supposed to use the Roach Corpser Apply Behavior, which then adds some kind of Spawn Roachling effect onto the melee/ranged attacks for the unit.`
`03:19.23`	`ArcanePariah`	`Its a bit more complicated but somewhat like that`
`03:19.25`	`Eph289`	`And that applies the Roachling Infestation to the traget`
`03:19.30`	`ArcanePariah`	`let me dig a bit`
`03:19.30`	`Eph289`	`I knew I was at least partially off :P`
`03:19.38`	`Vailreth`	`this may strain my graphcis card but i will open the editor and dig a bit as well`
`03:20.06`	`ArcanePariah`	`It appears to me that the upgrade alters the roach weapon effect`
`03:21.16`	`ArcanePariah`	`So you need to set the weapon effect of w/e younit you are planning on using (if it still is roach, all the better) to the Roach Corpser Acid Saliva effect`
`03:24.36`	`Eph289`	`Oh, I think I see it.`
`03:24.41`	`Eph289`	`There's 2 Acid Saliva weapons.`
`03:24.47`	`Eph289`	`One of them is the boring old Roach weapon`
`03:24.59`	`Eph289`	`One of them is the roachling weapon`
`03:25.06`	`ArcanePariah`	`mmhmm`
`03:25.19`	`ArcanePariah`	`Switch one for the other with an upgreade or w/e as neeeded`
`03:25.23`	`ArcanePariah`	`adn you are good to go`
`03:25.40`	`Eph289`	`Now whose idea was it to give them the exact same name? >:(`
`03:25.42`	`Eph289`	`grumbles`
`03:25.51`	`ArcanePariah`	`Meanwhile, cat is licking me, don't want to offend her, but tough is so rough....`
`03:26.01`	`ArcanePariah`	`tongue*`
`03:26.41`	`ArcanePariah`	`Next question?`
`03:26.49`	`Eph289`	`Well, I just checked my weapon`
`03:26.58`	`Eph289`	`It was already set to the corpser one by blind luck >_>`
`03:27.39`	`Eph289`	`Or more likely since I was using the Corpser roach unit, it was pre-set :P`
`03:28.39`	`Eph289`	`The effect: Validators+ for the Apply Behavior are currently (Is Roach Corpser\|Not Structure\|Not Destructible)`
`03:28.44`	`ArcanePariah`	`grumbles at damm heat wave, 94 F today...`
`03:29.04`	`Eph289`	`Would Not Destructible interfere with that?`
`03:29.34`	`ArcanePariah`	`Depends, does the armor tag for the units you are attacking include destructible?`
`03:29.45`	`Eph289`	`Doubtful`
`03:29.51`	`Eph289`	`I didn't change the armor tags.`
`03:30.05`	`ArcanePariah`	`If so, yes, it wont apply, this meant you couldnt attack random mengsk statues for free dudes :P`
`03:30.26`	`Eph289`	`ya, no, I tested it out on some hapless enemy drones`
`03:30.37`	`Eph289`	`that'd be kinda funny though`
`03:30.45`	`Eph289`	`roachlings popping out of the ears of a Mengsk statue`
`03:31.12`	`Eph289`	`Clearly, that should've been included in the HotS launch trailer :P`
`03:34.20`	`ArcanePariah`	`Wait, on the Roach Corpser Apply Behavior, what are the validators/`
`03:34.38`	`Eph289`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:34.48`	`Eph289`	`Wait a second . . .`
`03:34.54`	`Eph289`	`Does that mean it only works if you HIT a Roach Corpser?`
`03:35.00`	`ArcanePariah`	`Oh, thats the issue, you need to change Is Roach Corpser to Have Roach Corpser`
`03:35.01`	`ArcanePariah`	`yes`
`03:35.04`	`Eph289`	`LOL`
`03:35.32`	`ArcanePariah`	`That should fix that issue`
`03:36.12`	`Eph289`	`I'm going to make a new Validator called Caster Is Roach Corpser`
`03:36.33`	`Eph289`	`Because I require the roaches to do a quick morph after the upgrade for Corpser is complete`
`03:38.57`	`*** join/#sc2mapster herolief (~herolief@130.85.203.172)`
`03:39.09`	`ArcanePariah`	`Any more questions?`
`03:39.14`	`Eph289`	`Last one`
`03:39.40`	`Eph289`	`I was able to get some of the malignant creep bonuses to work when I made it an upgrade`
`03:39.51`	`Eph289`	`It's also supposed to boost regeneration and attack speed`
`03:40.01`	`Eph289`	`Those weren't showing up either on the tooltips or visibly.`
`03:40.15`	`Eph289`	`E.g. I damage a meatsack unit like an Ultra down to half HP and time its self-healing`
`03:40.20`	`Eph289`	`Is there some kind of requirement on that?`
`03:40.27`	`Eph289`	`It's called K5 Creep Bonuses under upgrades`
`03:41.11`	`Eph289`	`I made sure I used units that have those effects.`
`03:42.25`	`ArcanePariah`	`Oh, you misunderstood those bonuses, those bonuses are applied directly to the unit as part of being on creep. They will not show up anywhere in any tooltip`
`03:42.47`	`ArcanePariah`	`Units have fields that let you directly place what bonusses they get on creep`
`03:43.01`	`ArcanePariah`	`IN this case, Life Regn, Movement speed`
`03:43.02`	`Eph289`	`Okay.`
`03:43.12`	`Eph289`	`Attack speed, I think, but yes`
`03:43.44`	`ArcanePariah`	`It is not a behavior that is applied, like other passive auras, it is the same as a having abehavior with a validator disabling it if the unit is not on creep, but it is more direct`
`03:43.55`	`Eph289`	`Interesting.`
`03:44.15`	`Eph289`	`Well, if it's actually working and I'm just not seeing it, I'll do some more focused playtesting`
`03:44.23`	`ArcanePariah`	`Creep is used as the term because of the Zerg, but really it is just an alternate terrain type that dynamically can be adjusted`
`03:44.26`	`Eph289`	`And verify visually whether or not the regen is working`
`03:44.28`	`Eph289`	`right`
`03:44.36`	`ArcanePariah`	`really they should replace all the creep words with... something else`
`03:45.58`	`Vailreth`	`ok only 99 frames left to go and my animation is rendered`
`03:47.15`	`Eph289`	`All right, well thank you very much for your help, ArcanePariah`
`03:47.33`	`ArcanePariah`	`Not a problem`
`03:47.40`	`Eph289`	`I'll finish putting in the Baneling fixes and see what that does in the next playtest.`
`04:05.09`	`Eph289`	`hmm, well, finished the playtest`
`04:05.35`	`Eph289`	`Definitely should have used a weapon with less damage than a Baneling to test the ultra regen :P`
`04:07.02`	`Eph289`	`Some of the things worked at least, so that's an improvement.`
`04:20.11`	`Eph289`	`Thanks again for the help, guys.`
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`05:20.24`	`Kueken`	`Shark`
`05:28.55`	`ArcanePariah`	`Pariah`
`05:29.01`	`ArcanePariah`	`Sup Kueken`
`05:29.33`	`Kueken`	`whats the appropriate response to "sup"?`
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`05:29.35`	`Kueken`	`yo?`
`05:38.38`	`Deaod`	`im guessing "sup" comes from "whats up?"`
`05:38.50`	`ArcanePariah`	`Yeah`
`05:47.07`	`JademusSreg`	`is making another animation.`
`06:01.30`	`ArcanePariah`	`Hehe`
`06:05.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Making it for corbo, but it may make a fun character for the design.`
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`06:16.48`	`ArcanePariah`	`Oy duckies, when then next map night?`
`06:17.02`	`duckies`	`next friday of course =D`
`06:17.16`	`ArcanePariah`	`Excellent`
`06:17.24`	`duckies`	`indeed`
`06:17.29`	`ArcanePariah`	`I'm looking forward to what Bratzo has cooked up :D`
`06:17.41`	`ArcanePariah`	`Team Deathmatch would be pure win :D`
`06:18.06`	`duckies`	`would be great`
`06:18.19`	`duckies`	`team modes in previous iterations were super nice`
`06:19.07`	`duckies`	`so this has to be fantastic as well :D`
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`06:24.42`	`duckies`	`hey goa, how's the map? :D`
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`07:04.50`	`JademusSreg`	`WIP: http://i.imgur.com/t7ogR4N.png`
`07:05.22`	`JademusSreg`	`(Simple color scheme, since it will be a gif.)`
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`07:32.26`	`Bommes`	`looks great`
`07:32.38`	`Bommes`	`what is it for, are you working on a roman themed game? ^^`
`07:33.03`	`Bommes`	`ALSO GOOD MORNING, JUST SAYING`
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`07:36.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Making an animated gif for corbo.`
`07:38.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Arc, in response to the question of self cast, it appears to be NYI.`
`07:40.24`	`JademusSreg`	`There are various references to it, and it appears to be a intended for the Grid-layout, but none of those references appear to be implemented. I suspect if it is possible to get them working, one would need to add them to the custom hotkey definition file.`
`07:44.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah, Brahn Van Bonhaumer is looking good.`
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`07:51.10`	`UloseTheGame`	`hi`
`07:51.14`	`UloseTheGame`	`Who's in here atm`
`07:51.15`	`UloseTheGame`	`http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/10788362/starcraft-ii-art-tools-open-beta-8-30-2013`
`07:51.20`	`UloseTheGame`	`I just heard`
`07:58.45`	`UloseTheGame`	`Anyone here?`
`07:58.47`	`UloseTheGame`	`damn...`
`08:16.01`	`Bommes`	`what up?`
`08:16.15`	`Bommes`	`also, hello`
`08:16.26`	`UloseTheGame`	`hi`
`08:16.32`	`UloseTheGame`	`Was just excited`
`08:16.36`	`UloseTheGame`	`new tools ou`
`08:16.44`	`UloseTheGame`	`anyone with 3ds max can model I guess`
`08:16.55`	`UloseTheGame`	`Im trying to get diplomunion behind us`
`08:17.02`	`UloseTheGame`	`I'm with Song of Ice and Fire btw`
`08:17.14`	`JademusSreg`	`?`
`08:17.54`	`JademusSreg`	`In the sense of romantic relations?`
`08:33.46`	`UloseTheGame`	`possibly`
`08:33.55`	`UloseTheGame`	`have you ever played the map?`
`08:34.03`	`UloseTheGame`	`I know what you're gonna say jade`
`08:34.18`	`UloseTheGame`	`"messy", "needs medieval unit models"`
`08:34.33`	`UloseTheGame`	`Welp, thats why I'm looking for 3d modelers`
`09:00.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
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`10:15.01`	`Bommes`	`tt`
`10:15.30`	`Bommes`	`worked on something for half an hour only to discover that I accidentally opened the wrong (old) map`
`10:15.38`	`Bommes`	`I'm so sad right now`
`10:16.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Copy from the paste, paste to the new.`
`10:16.13`	`JademusSreg`	`*Copy from the old`
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`10:17.18`	`Bommes`	`hmm, I'll just do all the stuff again and hope I don't forget anything... a lot of the time was trying stuff out too, so it will probably only take me 10-15 minutes I guess`
`10:17.34`	`Bommes`	`don't want to risk copying the wrong stuff or something and just wasting even more time`
`10:17.49`	`Bommes`	`I'm someone who would make silly mistakes like that ;)`
`11:17.57`	`zenx`	`yay for 2 more sprites`
`11:18.02`	`zenx`	`now need 2 more for dodge animation`
`11:18.09`	`zenx`	`and maybe 4 more for SUPER ATTACK`
`11:18.28`	`duckies`	`and 6 FINISHING MOVES`
`11:18.38`	`duckies`	`and 8 victory stances`
`11:18.49`	`zenx`	`I did add health bars and stuff already`
`11:18.55`	`zenx`	`so the combat is almsot done`
`11:18.55`	`duckies`	`and 12 taunt animation!`
`11:19.12`	`duckies`	`and 16 "play dead" imitations!`
`11:19.15`	`zenx`	`added collision detection and damage calculations!`
`11:19.27`	`duckies`	`excellent!`
`11:20.37`	`Bommes`	`what are you working on?`
`11:21.55`	`zenx`	`manager fencing game`
`11:22.24`	`Bommes`	`what`
`11:23.08`	`Bommes`	`like football manager`
`11:23.10`	`Bommes`	`just with fencing?`
`11:23.17`	`zenx`	`sort of I suppose`
`11:23.24`	`zenx`	`they are gladiators`
`11:23.50`	`zenx`	`but they only know how to fight by swords`
`11:30.42`	`Bommes`	`how expensive is it to use sprites?`
`11:30.45`	`Bommes`	`in terms of performance`
`11:30.52`	`Kueken`	`$2`
`11:31.03`	`Bommes`	`would it be possible to replace all the 3d stuff with sprites in a huge SC2 army battle`
`11:31.08`	`Bommes`	`and still have decent performance?`
`11:31.35`	`Kueken`	`well, how do you realize sprites in SC2? flat 3d models?`
`11:31.41`	`Bommes`	`or is the sc2 engine too shitty for that?`
`11:31.45`	`Kueken`	`or dialogs`
`11:31.52`	`Bommes`	`no idea thats why i ask :D just saw some kind of tutorial or library on mapster`
`11:31.54`	`Bommes`	`about sprites`
`11:31.59`	`Bommes`	`dialogs I would guess`
`11:32.25`	`A1win`	`I think in SC2 the cpu usage by the units is far more expensive than their gpu load`
`11:32.27`	`Kueken`	`well, dialogs don't need actors, models n stuff`
`11:32.42`	`Bommes`	`yeah but I mean placing dialogs on top of units or something`
`11:32.48`	`Bommes`	`I also saw a video of someone doing that I think`
`11:32.49`	`Bommes`	`let me search`
`11:33.00`	`Kueken`	`possible, but my pc usually only slows down when there are massive graphics effects on the screen`
`11:33.24`	`Kueken`	`for units without models, it hardly even lags @ 10k`
`11:33.58`	`Kueken`	`but 400 zerglings kill my pc :D`
`11:34.26`	`Kueken`	`not sure, how it would handle sprites`
`11:35.24`	`Kueken`	`I guess, they were not concerned about the performance of their 2d graphics parts too much, so it wouldn't surprise me if extensive use of sprites could kill performance`
`11:35.40`	`Kueken`	`but who knows`
`11:35.43`	`Bommes`	`yeah would make sense`
`11:35.51`	`Bommes`	`in the end dialogs are intended to be more of a UI thing I'd guess`
`11:36.14`	`Kueken`	`easily tested though`
`11:36.24`	`Kueken`	`create 10k dialogs, see what happens`
`11:37.00`	`Bommes`	`better to try like 300-400 animated ones though`
`11:37.07`	`Bommes`	`or 1000`
`11:37.08`	`duckies`	`what about 10k units walking from one point to other? :D`
`11:37.37`	`Bommes`	`I mean you probably need more than 1000`
`11:37.49`	`Bommes`	`but its good to start at a low number :P`
`11:38.18`	`A1win`	`why would you test with 1 if you need it to work with 10`
`11:39.09`	`Bommes`	`btw Kueken, you warned about that TimerName crash bug`
`11:39.20`	`Bommes`	`but I still ran into it like an idiot t.t`
`11:39.23`	`Kueken`	`:D`
`11:39.50`	`Bommes`	`I really wonder why they introduced so many weird new UI choices in the Data Editor though with one of the last patches`
`11:40.06`	`Bommes`	`makes so little sense, it's really annoying to browse through actor lists now`
`11:40.28`	`Bommes`	`because they are all this click thing with a new window`
`11:40.33`	`Bommes`	`instead of just a dropdown list`
`11:45.23`	`duckies`	`but there are good things too, you can finally search for needed effects instead of scrolling and eyeing needed name from endless list. Too bad it's stil the same scrollbox in actor events :D`
`11:46.06`	`duckies`	`I guess if something became more comfortable, another thing must get screwd out even more, to keep the balance`
`11:51.24`	`Bommes`	`I guess there must be shit so new plants can grow`
`11:51.26`	`Bommes`	`its the cycle of life`
`12:00.02`	`Bommes`	`or circle of life actually, not cycle :D`
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`12:08.06`	`Kueken`	`circle of life`
`12:08.20`	`Kueken`	`I need food and something else needs to die for it`
`12:08.38`	`Kueken`	`brb, making a meal :)`
`12:15.30`	`Bommes`	`yeah I mean shit is stuff that has been eaten`
`12:15.47`	`Bommes`	`thats what I wanted to say`
`12:16.14`	`Bommes`	`but we shouldn't talk about it too much, the analogy was pretty lackluster`
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`13:24.02`	`Stewox`	`hey kueken you here ?`
`13:24.30`	`Kueken`	`hey`
`13:25.18`	`Stewox`	`were you the guy that i had a chat some months ago about army, it was with another guy and someone said he was former marine or whatever`
`13:25.50`	`Kueken`	`not m`
`13:25.51`	`Kueken`	`e`
`13:26.08`	`Stewox`	`ah come on im like 90% it was you`
`13:26.24`	`Kueken`	`I never was in the military`
`13:26.25`	`Stewox`	`or maybe a similar nickname`
`13:26.53`	`Stewox`	`nah there's something i wanted to show that guy that pertains to that discussion`
`13:27.05`	`Stewox`	`just btw, okay then, sry`
`13:27.14`	`Kueken`	`no problem`
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`13:50.09`	`Bommes`	`lol`
`13:50.10`	`Bommes`	`^^`
`13:55.56`	`Stewox`	`hey kueken, i found now, it was Kubi :p`
`13:56.14`	`Stewox`	`he's not on now ... ah`
`13:56.19`	`Stewox`	`anyways`
`13:57.10`	`Stewox`	`does anyone know what would be an easier way of moving creep like a spray`
`13:57.24`	`Stewox`	`in a patj`
`13:57.26`	`Stewox`	`path`
`13:57.49`	`Stewox`	`editor doesn't support paths, doing this works but the points need to be very close and it will require a ton of work`
`13:59.33`	`Kueken`	`not sure, creep spreading is handled via footprints, maybe you can create your own, more linear footprint?`
`14:00.24`	`Kueken`	`also Blizzard did plan on including some variations of nydus worms at some point, one spitting creep in a direction, but I have no idea, if these actually made it into the editor`
`14:00.54`	`Stewox`	`ah indeed, it was all weird because it gets into all directions and ofcourse doesn't look right`
`14:01.10`	`Stewox`	`when te creep receeds back it's all weird too`
`14:01.18`	`Stewox`	`but the path is big`
`14:01.21`	`Stewox`	`like a race track`
`14:01.37`	`Stewox`	`idk if that's wise to do inside the footprint, but would it be possible ?`
`14:02.35`	`Stewox`	`point is, the raidus is moving, so it's like the infestor slime`
`14:02.48`	`Lepton`	`hello`
`14:02.50`	`Lepton`	`Kappa`
`14:02.58`	`Stewox`	`fades out at the back`
`14:03.13`	`Stewox`	`hello`
`14:03.19`	`Stewox`	`wanna see a zombie lepton ?`
`14:03.30`	`Stewox`	`for a good morning shock`
`14:03.34`	`Lepton`	`sure`
`14:03.47`	`Stewox`	`http://www.naturalnews.com/041882_zombie_attack_Chicken_McNuggets_caught_on_video.html`
`14:04.22`	`Lepton`	`damn son`
`14:04.24`	`Lepton`	`thats scar`
`14:04.26`	`Lepton`	`scary`
`14:04.31`	`Lepton`	`did she go super sayan?`
`14:06.49`	`Stewox`	`well the story around it may seem exaggeration to some`
`14:08.05`	`Stewox`	`but you can hear that there's truth to the claims, if you listen closely you can hear beast noises like wild cat hissing`
`14:08.38`	`Stewox`	`the zombies in games/entertainment is a way to make this look cool and trendy`
`14:08.40`	`zenx`	`todays silly video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAYnGpMNNU4`
`14:09.16`	`Stewox`	`it's actally all the poisons and contaminated food that makes people who are very unhealthy have these attacks and outbursts`
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`14:24.38`	`Lepton`	`Stewox, the video`
`14:24.40`	`Lepton`	`was dubbed`
`14:24.41`	`Lepton`	`btw`
`14:24.42`	`Lepton`	`:P`
`14:24.50`	`Stewox`	`really ?`
`14:24.56`	`Stewox`	`so it's fake`
`14:24.58`	`Lepton`	`yeah`
`14:24.59`	`Lepton`	`well`
`14:25.02`	`Stewox`	`proof ?`
`14:25.03`	`Lepton`	`visual is real`
`14:25.06`	`Lepton`	`audio is fake`
`14:25.20`	`Lepton`	`the original video hs no sound`
`14:25.31`	`Lepton`	`welp`
`14:25.37`	`Stewox`	`well it doesn't change the story a lot, this is not just one such incident`
`14:25.53`	`Lepton`	`yeah`
`14:25.54`	`Stewox`	`zombie eating face were on national tv news`
`14:25.56`	`Lepton`	`crazy bitch either way :P`
`14:26.42`	`Stewox`	`that's from last year, there was a couple of such incidents after that as well, the famous one is a man eating homeless guy under a bridge`
`14:26.54`	`Stewox`	`link?`
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`14:32.22`	`Stewox`	`Lepton`
`14:32.25`	`Stewox`	`where is the proof`
`14:32.27`	`Stewox`	`link ?`
`14:32.37`	`Lepton`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:32.42`	`Lepton`	`the bathsalt guy`
`14:32.52`	`Lepton`	`who wasnt actually on bathsalt after blood analysis`
`14:32.58`	`Lepton`	`which makes it even more fucked up`
`14:33.12`	`Lepton`	`let me google that for you...`
`14:34.09`	`mille25`	`hi`
`14:35.02`	`Lepton`	`bahaha she says "dont make me assume my ultimate form"`
`14:35.12`	`Lepton`	`ppl who made this are awesome`
`14:35.14`	`Stewox`	`looks like naturalnews screwd up this one`
`14:35.21`	`Stewox`	`they usually don't do that`
`14:35.26`	`Stewox`	`oh well`
`14:35.46`	`Stewox`	`honest mistake i guess`
`14:38.42`	`Lepton`	`whos naturalnews`
`14:38.52`	`Lepton`	`even AP showed it`
`14:38.53`	`Lepton`	`lol`
`14:39.07`	`Lepton`	`what happened is they probly dubbed the original`
`14:39.17`	`Lepton`	`so the first release of the video was the dubed version`
`14:39.38`	`Lepton`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF0IhyAasWw`
`14:39.59`	`Lepton`	`its got AP logo, but this could be fake too :P`
`14:40.08`	`Lepton`	`to make it seem more legit`
`14:43.41`	`Lepton`	`Stewox, maybe a giveaway`
`14:43.55`	`Lepton`	`is that he says "its 10:30 am we dont serve mcnuggets"`
`14:44.00`	`Lepton`	`when its clearly dark outside`
`14:44.23`	`Stewox`	`naturalnews says 6:30 so idk`
`14:45.08`	`Stewox`	`naturalnews is anti-nwo anti-corruption that focuses on bio and bigpharma stuff, similar to infowars.com which focuses on geopolitical`
`14:45.17`	`Lepton`	`in the video`
`14:45.19`	`Lepton`	`that guy says`
`14:45.22`	`Lepton`	`its 10:30`
`14:45.32`	`Stewox`	`well that's dub you said`
`14:45.45`	`Stewox`	`i don't know what the hell to think now`
`14:45.49`	`Lepton`	`oh`
`14:45.57`	`Stewox`	`but it doesn't change the fact what's inside food`
`14:45.57`	`Lepton`	`its some conspiracy wacko site?`
`14:46.13`	`Lepton`	`whats inside the food?`
`14:46.16`	`Stewox`	`it's called by the mainstream, it's the best site for medical stuff out there`
`14:46.36`	`Stewox`	`why I am surprised is that they screwd this up, they don't post fake crap like this`
`14:46.39`	`Stewox`	`it's a mistake`
`14:47.08`	`Stewox`	`they recently looked what's inside the mcnuggets via 100.000 dollar microscope`
`14:47.27`	`Lepton`	`oh`
`14:47.29`	`Lepton`	`lol`
`14:47.36`	`Lepton`	`qwhat did they find?`
`14:53.11`	`Kueken`	`molecules`
`14:53.55`	`Kueken`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjEtVokNWDg`
`15:00.42`	`zenx`	`SPRITES`
`15:05.09`	`zenx`	`Im even considering bying new pen tablet`
`15:05.21`	`zenx`	`since im doing more art (very little)`
`15:05.25`	`zenx`	`but still`
`15:05.29`	`zenx`	`would be nice`
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`15:22.05`	`Zandose`	`01101000 01101001`
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`15:25.02`	`Zandose`	`would someone be so kind as to tell me what i should put in for "AttachMethods"?`
`15:25.11`	`Zandose`	`Actor - Send message (AttachSetPosition AttachMethods "0,0,0") to actor (Last created actor)`
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`15:59.28`	`Vailreth`	`happy Monday`
`16:07.37`	`Kueken`	`Zandose: Usually something like "Center" or "Weapon". not sure about the exact syntax, you could look that up in the data actor events`
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`16:20.59`	`mille25`	`Hello!`
`16:24.40`	`Necromoni\|School`	`:l`
`16:37.56`	`Bommes`	`hello`
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`19:10.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Zoop.`
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`19:14.39`	`Kueken`	`your mom zoops`
`19:20.34`	`JademusSreg`	`You know it, baby.`
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`19:29.46`	`Vailreth`	`hello folks`
`19:31.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi thar.`
`19:33.52`	`JademusSreg`	`ToDay ToDo: finish Brahn Van Bonhaumer gif, work on SMM-design spreadsheet`
`19:34.01`	`JademusSreg`	`brb`
`19:46.47`	`Bommes`	`´when were the blizz guys here for the last time? how long ago?`
`19:47.26`	`JademusSreg`	`(Ask purl)`
`19:48.55`	`Dogmai`	`woke up, 4am, still no email from blizzard, feelsbadman`
`19:48.59`	`Dogmai`	`going backt o bed`
`19:49.00`	`Bommes`	`I don't trust automatic responses`
`19:49.34`	`Bommes`	`(also, I don't know the command)`
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`20:23.35`	`Necromoni`	`nice try guy`
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`20:24.53`	`Necromoni`	`What's all your opinions on energy using heroes? Should I stick to using cooldown to simplify, or is the additional complexity worth to keep balance/diversity./`
`20:25.43`	`Zolden`	`Lepton: did you solve that yesterday's thing?`
`20:25.46`	`Necromoni`	`Taking into account I can make heroes who are "mana hungry", it adds to the depth but is it worth it?`
`20:27.01`	`Zolden`	`mille25: do you want a little note about the vids you posted`
`20:27.47`	`mille25`	`Zolden: vids?`
`20:27.59`	`Zolden`	`yea, about scu gameplay`
`20:28.13`	`mille25`	`the class videos?`
`20:28.50`	`Zolden`	`probably... some that you posted a week ago`
`20:29.17`	`Zolden`	`there were fights`
`20:29.29`	`mille25`	`sure go ahead`
`20:31.49`	`Zolden`	`visual effects like impacts or spells look too zoomed in, too overscaled, I think game would benefit from remaking them. They were designed to be observed from high height, and now they take half of screen. And are too fast. They could be made more detailed and a bit slower, to look smoother and nicer`
`20:36.44`	`mille25`	`alright thanks for the feedback`
`20:38.42`	`mille25`	`i think i agree that some spells might be slightly overscaled, especially the firebat.`
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`20:56.31`	`Bommes`	`mille, Ahli and I played the SCU raid boss thing yesterday`
`20:56.42`	`Bommes`	`and there was some kind of bug where we both went completely invulnerable for the whole fight`
`20:56.50`	`Bommes`	`it was pretty pointless :D`
`20:57.27`	`mille25`	`should be fixed since today.`
`20:57.36`	`Bommes`	`alright`
`20:57.41`	`mille25`	`at least i hope so`
`20:58.17`	`mille25`	`did you guys by accident enter a vehicle pretty quickly after getting revived either by the spell or after a failed attempt?`
`20:58.38`	`Bommes`	`Hmm, hard to tell`
`20:58.47`	`Bommes`	`it was definitely after a respawn though and we entered the vehicles pretty quickly`
`20:58.50`	`Bommes`	`so thats quite possible`
`20:58.52`	`mille25`	`good. :)`
`20:59.22`	`mille25`	`yeah basically it made you invernulerable if you entered a vehicle up to 5 seconds after respawning because i forgot an or in a condition.`
`20:59.28`	`mille25`	`:D`
`20:59.44`	`Bommes`	`ah k :D yeah thats probably the explanation then`
`20:59.50`	`Bommes`	`5 seconds sounds right`
`21:00.23`	`mille25`	`how was lag/delay for you guys?`
`21:00.32`	`mille25`	`i made pretty positive observations for myself.`
`21:00.54`	`Bommes`	`Hmm, hard to say`
`21:01.01`	`Bommes`	`it was okay I would say`
`21:01.04`	`mille25`	`cool`
`21:01.15`	`Bommes`	`but I mean I'm used to it by now, I don't know how fresh arcade players would see it`
`21:01.47`	`mille25`	`it will obviously never be perfect (at least until blizzard does smth), but as long as its okay thats perfectly fine.`
`21:02.35`	`Bommes`	`yeah, I thought it was fun`
`21:02.38`	`mille25`	`ahlis review was very helpful btw`
`21:02.43`	`mille25`	`i fixed a couple of bugs he reported.`
`21:03.01`	`mille25`	`thanks for that.`
`21:09.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Zoop.`
`21:18.34`	`Zolden`	`how is your new project, JademusSreg which supposed to shake galaxies?`
`21:21.10`	`JademusSreg`	`It currently rattles the very foundations of heaven. Being an atheist, this is no small feat; my project had to first create heaven to provide a foundation to rattle.`
`21:24.14`	`JademusSreg`	`I've got the desgin outlined, next phase involves spreadsheets to define the mechnical relationships.`
`21:24.19`	`JademusSreg`	`*mechanical`
`21:26.59`	`Zolden`	`do you use pen and paper to invent details, or everything hapens in your imagination until you start programming?`
`21:28.43`	`JademusSreg`	`I can show you the document, but to answer the question, I articulate outlines, descriptions, flavor text, and mechanical expressions.`
`21:29.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Then a model is defined to determine from assumptions and mechanical relationships the initial values for content.`
`21:30.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Then prototyping and programming and shit.`
`21:32.12`	`Zolden`	`what do you need under "mechanical"?`
`21:32.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Mechanical in the sense of game mechanics, the design of its behavior in the context of the game system.`
`21:33.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, sent you the link via query.`
`21:34.35`	`Zolden`	`so, you use text documents instead of notes on paper?`
`21:34.59`	`JademusSreg`	`I use paper when I have no other option. =D`
`21:35.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Because scanning notes is annoying.`
`21:35.32`	`Zolden`	`but when you have a choice, you prefer to describe things with words instead of drawing scemes?`
`21:38.30`	`JademusSreg`	`I conceptualize relationships visually and tactually, so I could draw them, but they would lack detailed expression, wouldn't be of much use to others to see transgraphs of abstractions.`
`21:43.38`	`Zolden`	`so, you keep images and dynamics inside and only reference them with notes and expand with exact numbers/expresions?`
`21:43.44`	`JademusSreg`	`The stats, to describe them as they feel to me synesthetically, are a circle of five circles below a circle of three circles, with fillaments connecting them to various other shapes; from the complexity of the synesthetic shapes, I know how elegant the design is, aiming for local and global symmetries.`
`21:45.15`	`JademusSreg`	`And transgraphing shit like that would be pointless.`
`21:46.49`	`Zolden`	`oh, I see`
`21:48.14`	`Zolden`	`probably the inner synesthetic representation of design is better to create/modify/polish the idea, but has no use being literall drawn, it should first be translated into words and expressions`
`21:49.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`21:53.46`	`Necromoni`	`thread carefully jademussreg`
`21:56.23`	`Necromoni`	`plan too hard and you'll screw it up`
`21:58.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Your advice has been noted and discarded.`
`21:59.32`	`Necromoni`	`hue`
`22:08.20`	`JademusSreg`	`But to provide a bit more nuance, I should explain that what you refer to as a plan is a hypothesis of what configuration should result in engaging gameplay, which must be refined over time. It's a guide, rather than a goal unto itself.`
`22:12.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, the First Principle of Awesome is to not give a shit what people think, with exceptions; a well-reasoned argument or stimulating idea might be worth hearing, though not necessarily care about, and an established rapport of mutual respect and/or trust also merits exception.`
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`22:15.07`	`Ahli`	`I just noticed, I didn't join irc today`
`22:15.13`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`22:15.34`	`Ahli`	`lost 9 of 10 ARAMs in LoL... I'm sooo good`
`22:15.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyone know when the AllowSelfCast flag was added to abilities?`
`22:15.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Or has it always been there?`
`22:16.11`	`Ahli`	`dunno`
`22:16.15`	`Ahli`	`what does it do?`
`22:16.20`	`Ahli`	`target your own hero icon?`
`22:16.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, currently, nothing.`
`22:16.24`	`Zolden`	`some authors use quantum processes as a methaphor of creativity: quantom system is undefined, and checking it causes it to ruduct into a classical definmed condition. Same when we daydream: stuff in imagination evolve, but noticing and noting it crystalizes dynamics into statical info. There is a chance that Necromoni's remark is related: outer plan becomes a cage for imagination. But I think the creator is capable to keep the in`
`22:16.38`	`Ahli`	`targetting your own hero icon was something that didn't work...`
`22:17.04`	`Necromoni`	`i guess he figured that all out on his own`
`22:17.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, maybe. This refers more to command-specific hotkeys.`
`22:17.47`	`Ahli`	`I don't think so ^^`
`22:17.50`	`JademusSreg`	`The Game UI data has a number of hotkey references which are not currently implemented, item self cast and command self cast.`
`22:18.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Apparently intended for the Grid layout.`
`22:18.38`	`Necromoni`	`hey Ahli you ever play hide n seek on LoL?`
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`22:20.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Might be possible to define the self cast hotkeys from the custom hotkey file. Have yet to test.`
`22:20.53`	`ArcanePariah`	`Àlrighty`
`22:21.12`	`JademusSreg`	`But still, generally useless for map dev.`
`22:21.19`	`ArcanePariah`	`Odd that the flag is present, the tooltip is completed, but not functional`
`22:21.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes. I skimmed the standard data, no abilities use it.`
`22:22.08`	`JademusSreg`	`But there`
`22:22.30`	`JademusSreg`	`there's enough references to suggest it's NYI and perhaps soon-to-be implemented.`
`22:24.31`	`ArcanePariah`	`Interesting. I do get the feeling that although much has been planned, Blizzard has too few developers actually working on it. I have heard they have some churn in their staff, but that is somewhat normal in the game industry. Also I get the distinct feeling Blizzard is spread pretty thin nowadays, developing 6 games in paralell. Even within SC2 iteself, you have some devs working on LotV`
`22:24.31`	`ArcanePariah`	`missions, some on the editor, some on the art tools...`
`22:25.27`	`ArcanePariah`	`Although I think SC2 along with WoW and D3 will pick up some now that a large amount of the Titan staff have been reassigned, and maybe whenever they finish DotA Allstars,`
`22:26.39`	`ArcanePariah`	`TL;DR, Blizzard spread themselves too far out, and started losing quality to quantity, and are trying to refocus now that A) THey are more financially independent and not as pressured to make money and B) More focus from management maybe?`
`22:27.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Speculative, perhaps accurate.`
`22:28.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Could ask the devs when they pop in for the next content patch.`
`22:28.57`	`ArcanePariah`	`When is that?`
`22:29.16`	`JademusSreg`	`If I had to guess, 2 patches from now.`
`22:29.37`	`ArcanePariah`	`And somewhat related to that, what are the various IRC chat commands and how do you query purl for logs?`
`22:29.47`	`Lepton`	`Zolden, to answer your question, not quite yet`
`22:30.08`	`Lepton`	`for some reason the default shield regen delay seems to interfere with the behavior`
`22:30.37`	`Lepton`	`the behavior only works after the default shield regen delay is elapsed`
`22:30.38`	`Bommes`	`Blizzcon will be interesting for sure`
`22:30.45`	`Bommes`	`lots of stuff coming up in the next year`
`22:30.58`	`Zolden`	`what's "TL;DR"?`
`22:31.08`	`Bommes`	`too long; didn't read`
`22:31.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, irc commands depend on the client. purl commands should be in the help infodump, the ~seen purl command is most often used to peg when handles were last seen, and purl's logs are at irikers.org or some such.`
`22:31.13`	`Lepton`	`derp`
`22:31.47`	`Lepton`	`and I know its that cause it only has a delay with shield`
`22:31.54`	`JademusSreg`	`*ibot.rikers.org`
`22:31.54`	`Lepton`	`if i do it with life it works`
`22:31.59`	`ArcanePariah`	`Yes, more stuff for D3 RoS, more stuff on Heathstone, the next WoW expansion will be annouced, The Deeps Below is what it is named I believe (basically, new area will be Maelstrom and visiting the Naga, final boss will probably be Azhara`
`22:32.27`	`Lepton`	`pertsonally im looking for the WCS year final`
`22:32.28`	`Bommes`	`I expect a LOT of Allstars at Blizzcon`
`22:32.33`	`Lepton`	`more than anything at blizzcon`
`22:32.34`	`Bommes`	`WCS grand finals`
`22:32.36`	`Bommes`	`yeah`
`22:32.52`	`Lepton`	`i fucking hope jaedontg wins it`
`22:32.58`	`Lepton`	`he breaks my heart every time :(`
`22:33.10`	`Bommes`	`I hope Flash wins Season 3 finals and will be at the Grand Finals`
`22:33.15`	`Bommes`	`that's all I wish for`
`22:33.22`	`Lepton`	`flash vs jaedong final`
`22:33.25`	`Lepton`	`OMFG that would be epic`
`22:33.33`	`Bommes`	`yeah that would be sick`
`22:33.42`	`Lepton`	`and that would make sc popular again in korea`
`22:33.43`	`Lepton`	`haha`
`22:33.47`	`Lepton`	`everyone would tune in`
`22:34.15`	`ArcanePariah`	`I think also, post WCS Grand Finals, devs may be more willing to make changes to the game`
`22:34.20`	`Lepton`	`so Zolden how did you plan to apply the shield regen behavior?`
`22:34.33`	`ArcanePariah`	`They aint going to totally change the game before a massive tourney`
`22:34.54`	`ArcanePariah`	`No matter how much forums scream about X is op, Toss is boring, SC2 is dying, etc.`
`22:34.57`	`Lepton`	`if they only change the game by then...it will be 3 more months of broken tvz...`
`22:35.01`	`Lepton`	`i hope that does happen`
`22:35.34`	`Zolden`	`Lepton: I don't see how shield regen interferes with damage response and buffs`
`22:35.52`	`ArcanePariah`	`Well... the issue is the definition of "broken", if you mean by very myopic, stale gameplay, yes it is broken, if you mean by fair and balanced, it is not`
`22:36.23`	`Zolden`	`and I can't test the idea I suggested to make sure it has the issue you mentioned, and it's not your implementation artifact`
`22:36.46`	`Lepton`	`all I did is make a behavior, put VITAL REGENERATION BONUS:shields`
`22:36.56`	`Lepton`	`and shove that behavior in the unit`
`22:37.02`	`Zolden`	`"myopic" word sound centauric`
`22:37.02`	`Lepton`	`what happens is`
`22:37.14`	`Lepton`	`10 seconds after unit takes damage`
`22:37.22`	`Lepton`	`the behavior takes effect`
`22:37.28`	`Lepton`	`on top of the normal regen`
`22:37.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Thank goodness for purl logs. Allows me to go back and quote the great things I've said. "Modern medications cannot have such explicit names; for some reason pharmacutical companies think it's a lovely idea to name their products as though they were an aromatic bouquet of beneficence." March 2010`
`22:37.40`	`purl`	`de rien, JademusSreg`
`22:37.42`	`Lepton`	`which is fine, but i want the behavior to start right away`
`22:38.12`	`Lepton`	`purl is literally the NSA`
`22:38.34`	`ArcanePariah`	`lol`
`22:38.53`	`ArcanePariah`	`At least NSA has shown the world the best practices for data preservation and recovery`
`22:38.56`	`Zolden`	`Lepton: you said you wnat to regen hp`
`22:39.02`	`Lepton`	`no, shield`
`22:39.10`	`Lepton`	`shild hp :P`
`22:39.14`	`Lepton`	`shield hp`
`22:39.54`	`Zolden`	`ok, do units have shield hp regen? probably it should work for both, unit nad buff regens`
`22:40.12`	`Lepton`	`would be so simple if the set unit property action had set shield regen delay next to set shield regen rate`
`22:40.25`	`Lepton`	`yeah its a protoss uni`
`22:41.11`	`Zolden`	`JademusSreg: in russia medications usually named rediculuously extraexplicitly, like if one heals shit, it will be for sure named "shithealin"`
`22:41.45`	`Zolden`	`Lepton: ok, remove delay from units, use delay behavior`
`22:42.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Awesome.`
`22:42.20`	`Lepton`	`uhm yeah ok`
`22:42.25`	`Lepton`	`i guess thats the only way`
`22:42.44`	`Ahli`	`harddiscs are costly because NSA bought them all`
`22:43.25`	`Lepton`	`^`
`22:43.34`	`Lepton`	`too much demand`
`22:43.38`	`Lepton`	`did you see the video`
`22:43.44`	`Lepton`	`about the drone camera`
`22:43.47`	`Ahli`	`no`
`22:43.51`	`Lepton`	`1500 gigapixel camera`
`22:44.08`	`Lepton`	`what uses a billion terabyte per hour of recording`
`22:44.19`	`JademusSreg`	`NSA wishes it was still low profile enough for people to confuse it as NASA.`
`22:44.36`	`Lepton`	`ah, the good ol days`
`22:44.37`	`Ahli`	`:D`
`22:44.51`	`Lepton`	`I think that was pre-enemy of the state`
`22:45.36`	`Lepton`	`https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9UTgmyDFWo`
`22:47.42`	`JademusSreg`	`employs Seth Green as a handsome-boy technician.`
`22:48.25`	`Lepton`	`jack black has overweight mission controler`
`22:48.53`	`Lepton`	`Kappa`
`22:49.06`	`JademusSreg`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kappa`
`22:49.19`	`Lepton`	`i read that shit once`
`22:49.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Copramancer?`
`22:49.38`	`Lepton`	`this is when I realized wikipedia is a government conspiracy`
`22:49.47`	`Lepton`	`to hide the true kappa from us`
`22:50.15`	`Lepton`	`http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/1/18175/2169924-kappa.png`
`22:52.59`	`Ahli`	`man, that's like person of interest with that camera :D`
`22:53.25`	`Lepton`	`how in the world`
`22:53.29`	`Lepton`	`can they store the data`
`22:53.34`	`Lepton`	`let alone stream it..`
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`23:17.08`	`Wrath`	`Hey, anybody here?`
`23:18.21`	`ArcanePariah`	`Always, there is me, Google and the NSA`
`23:18.44`	`ArcanePariah`	`Whats up?`
`23:18.50`	`JademusSreg`	`?`
`23:19.11`	`Wrath`	`My Host Site Operations - Operations field is broken`
`23:19.39`	`ArcanePariah`	`Oh, that bug, just close the data module and reopen it`
`23:19.43`	`Wrath`	`I did`
`23:19.45`	`Wrath`	`It didn't work`
`23:19.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Going out to the store, will enquire further when I return.`
`23:20.01`	`ArcanePariah`	`Hmm... odd`
`23:20.11`	`ArcanePariah`	`I assume you already tried closing the edito?`
`23:20.14`	`ArcanePariah`	`editor*`
`23:20.17`	`Wrath`	`There seems to be two radio buttons, one for tree, one for list`
`23:20.23`	`Wrath`	`Then there is a text field`
`23:20.26`	`Wrath`	`And three dropdowns`
`23:20.34`	`Wrath`	`And the three dropdowns keep flickering in and out`
`23:20.36`	`ArcanePariah`	`And they are all overlapping and look like shit?`
`23:20.41`	`Wrath`	`Yeah`
`23:20.57`	`ArcanePariah`	`Hmm... Well for me I just closed the data module entirely and re opened it`
`23:21.03`	`ArcanePariah`	`ANd it corrected it self`
`23:21.11`	`JademusSreg`	`(Use XML view, otherwise.)`
`23:22.24`	`Wrath`	`Alright, thanks`
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`23:45.58`	`Lepton`	`whats the thing that hides the behavior icon in game called yet?`
`23:46.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Flag : Hidden`
`23:49.26`	`Lepton`	`ah I was searching hide`
`23:49.27`	`Lepton`	`herp derp`
`23:49.29`	`Lepton`	`ty`

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