| 00:04.01 | Vailreth | fuuu |
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| 01:40.13 | MoonEater | Jade, or anyone |
| 01:40.28 | MoonEater | is there a way to limit the ammount of untis selected via DATA (not triggers) |
| 01:42.22 | Ahli | no |
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| 02:12.15 | JademusSreg | Zoop. http://i.imgur.com/jEs8u6p.gif |
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| 02:13.10 | Vailreth | nice Jade |
| 02:16.10 | JademusSreg | Thanks. Cranked it out in photoshop as a prepared response. |
| 03:08.14 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeNPvgN9G_4 |
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| 03:29.32 | Kueken | Shark |
| 03:30.31 | Vailreth | nado? |
| 03:43.20 | Lepton | I know it sounds stupid but I cant find how to remove concussive shell > < |
| 03:44.13 | ArcanePariah | From Marauder? |
| 03:46.06 | Lepton | the hero maruder |
| 03:46.09 | Lepton | dominion thingy |
| 03:48.39 | ArcanePariah | They will have a behavior on them, that has a damage response, located at the attacker, that applies the slow to the enemy hit by them |
| 03:48.48 | ArcanePariah | So you need to remove the behavior |
| 03:50.46 | ArcanePariah | Ok, nvm, I was mistaken |
| 03:51.09 | Lepton | ^^ |
| 03:51.23 | ArcanePariah | The Dominion Kill team weapon effect has as the impact effect, a set that sppalies the slow and damage, so remove the apply behavior effect from the set |
| 03:51.37 | ArcanePariah | Its called Dominion Kill Team Set |
| 03:51.46 | ArcanePariah | Remove the Kill team SloW AoE effect from it |
| 03:56.19 | Lepton | looking for it.. |
| 04:02.31 | Lepton | fixed it |
| 04:02.31 | Lepton | tks |
| 04:46.14 | Dogmai | Went to bed at 3am |
| 04:46.20 | Dogmai | Woke up at 6am thinking it was 6pm |
| 04:46.22 | Dogmai | fml |
| 05:10.43 | Dogmai | i took my ducklings for their first swim, in warm water |
| 05:10.51 | Dogmai | they kinda freaked out but then started paddling |
| 05:11.10 | Dogmai | only for about 2 minutes, they seemed to get a little waterlogged ... so back in the brooder to dry |
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| 06:43.13 | G0A | pff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQvVTxsT_2g |
| 06:55.03 | twodie | tssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss |
| 06:55.06 | twodie | puhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 06:55.17 | twodie | G0A so how was the mapevenining? |
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| 07:08.34 | G0A | twodie it was nice |
| 07:08.53 | twodie | amounts of peeps involved? |
| 07:12.23 | G0A | 6-9 peeps |
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| 07:18.06 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
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| 07:57.17 | G0A | argh its so bad that you cant add abilities to command card with triggers. |
| 07:57.26 | JademusSreg | Quite unfortunate. |
| 07:57.34 | JademusSreg | However. |
| 07:58.10 | JademusSreg | First, can abilities be added at all or is that still restricted as I expect? |
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| 08:00.23 | G0A | I dont know about that |
| 08:00.37 | G0A | but I couldnt add new command card buttons with catalogs |
| 08:00.47 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that's known to be restricted. |
| 08:01.04 | G0A | or changeing the ability of command card button |
| 08:01.15 | G0A | now I am trying to repositioning |
| 08:02.08 | G0A | is there still a limit that how much ability or button a unit can have? |
| 08:02.57 | JademusSreg | The ability limit is 32, and that limit counts the sum of abilities for all morphs. |
| 08:10.04 | G0A | this sucks big time |
| 08:11.08 | twodie | you know you want it |
| 08:11.09 | twodie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KvAOPipGbA |
| 08:19.27 | twodie | http://youtu.be/fou0-3ZYcC8 |
| 08:26.59 | ArcanePariah | Jade, a question about damage responses on behaviors. For a behavior that can stack, does the damage response run once for the behavior or once for each stack of the behavior |
| 08:27.27 | JademusSreg | Good question. I'm not certain, but I suspect it is once for the behavior. |
| 08:27.31 | ArcanePariah | Meanwhile, watches desk turned into jungle gym by cats |
| 08:27.48 | ArcanePariah | Ok, good, I hoped that would be the case |
| 08:27.55 | JademusSreg | has a kitten en medias lap. |
| 08:28.27 | JademusSreg | Also, en medias nap. |
| 08:36.06 | ArcanePariah | Also, as a general rule, is it best for runtime performance and complexity to do as much as possible within the data editor? |
| 08:36.16 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 08:36.46 | ArcanePariah | Now, does it have any relation to the fact that data editor stuff does not have to be interpreted at runtime? |
| 08:37.42 | JademusSreg | Probably more to do with the galaxy vm in general, a box in a box in a box in a box in a box. |
| 08:37.55 | ArcanePariah | Or at least I'm assuming that since the galaxy script compiled from the GUI is run on a VM of sorts, namely the sc2 engine, and has to be interpreted, whereas the data editor is static and is just referenced by the native engine instead of interpreted. |
| 08:38.09 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 08:39.30 | ArcanePariah | Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but the data editor is much harder to induce major errors then scripts. So far the only way I've produced infinite loops is in relation to triggers, never in data |
| 08:40.26 | JademusSreg | It's also why units are the most expensive object to instance; while nearly all others are either primitive structs or static, units are static and their instances have a numer of properties and linked tables. |
| 08:40.42 | ArcanePariah | I'm not even sure you can produce infinite loops in the data editor in any subtle way, the only way I can see it being done is very overt and obvious, like a set including itself in the child effects (assuming it even allows this) |
| 08:41.29 | JademusSreg | It's possible to make performance-impacting / "bad" data, but usually data won't spring errors. On the rare occassion data is the cause of a major error, it will probably crash the game anyway. |
| 08:41.49 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, Unit data types have links to nearly every other major data type by default (Buttons, Abilites, Behaviors, Models, Actors, Weapons) |
| 08:42.09 | ArcanePariah | Footprint as well |
| 08:42.39 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, more like EVERY data type, I forgot they have the fields for loot and item as well |
| 08:43.33 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... I wonder... what could induce a crash of sc2 in a map, because people have reported that it occasionally happens to them |
| 08:43.39 | ArcanePariah | in my map* |
| 08:44.03 | ArcanePariah | I've done my best to reduce the code complexity, but it still is a fairly large codebase |
| 08:44.08 | JademusSreg | attempts to remember the most recent one. |
| 08:44.21 | ArcanePariah | Compiled into galaxy, it is 40k lines of code |
| 08:45.01 | ArcanePariah | Even if we ignore galaxy stupidity of intializing every variable (although safe, its kind of lame), it still adds up to a ton of code |
| 08:45.31 | JademusSreg | I had discovered one a while back that could be utilized to deliberately crash the game. I'd need to regex my enormous irc logs to remember what it was. |
| 08:46.38 | ArcanePariah | One thing I theorized was that my map, due to the enomorous complexity of it, the large script code, the tons of objects to be preloaded, and just tons of stuff going on in general, was that people with weaker computers were running sc2 out of memory |
| 08:47.17 | JademusSreg | Possible, for the data, but probably not the script. |
| 08:47.21 | ArcanePariah | Like, just loading up my map makes SC2 memory usage go up like a gig or more, and VRAM is much the same |
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| 08:47.58 | ArcanePariah | I'm working on simplifying actors as much as possible, using what you showed me with model attachments, but still... |
| 08:48.14 | JademusSreg | It reserves a modest chunk of memory for the galaxy vm and interacts with it through a 21-byte pointer, iirc. |
| 08:48.33 | ArcanePariah | Currently my map has over 1200 uniquely defined actors specific to my map |
| 08:49.03 | JademusSreg | Though that may have been increased with recent increases in galaxy memory. |
| 08:49.06 | ArcanePariah | Now, since I have never looked at other maps code/data, I don't know if that is normal, low, or super high |
| 08:49.15 | Kueken | :p |
| 08:49.23 | Kueken | I have single units with 400+ actors |
| 08:49.38 | ArcanePariah | Ok... so it isn't my actors |
| 08:49.48 | Kueken | but I wouldn't call that "normal" |
| 08:50.26 | Kueken | its also very outdated and terribly inefficient by current standards |
| 08:50.27 | JademusSreg | Both of those numbers are horrifying to me, personally, but that's not necessarily an issue. |
| 08:51.11 | ArcanePariah | Yeah I figured as much, Hence why im redoing all the units into model attachments, as to remove a bunch of site op actors that serve little purpose |
| 08:51.14 | JademusSreg | I mean, GUI generated script is horrifying to me, so make of it what ye will. |
| 08:51.22 | ArcanePariah | all the model attachments of units* |
| 08:53.06 | ArcanePariah | I dunno, its just every part of the data editor I have a staggering (from a single person point of view) number items, 300+ abilites, 300 or so validators, nearly 700 behaviors, 1700 effects |
| 08:53.34 | Kueken | sounds familiar |
| 08:53.56 | ArcanePariah | But i guess its the price to pay for such a complex map, 14 heros, 12 or so bosses, 15 or so unique enemies |
| 08:54.11 | ArcanePariah | 14 heros with 10 unique abilites each |
| 08:54.46 | Kueken | ok, so I exaggerated a little |
| 08:54.46 | Kueken | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHXBIYApePc |
| 08:54.52 | Kueken | that uses 200+ actors |
| 08:55.19 | Kueken | but that was 2 years ago, I could probably do it a lot more efficient (and better looking) now |
| 08:56.52 | ArcanePariah | True, espcially now since... techincally, if given a bit of time, it would require 1 actor |
| 08:57.18 | ArcanePariah | If you spent a fair bit of time defining that unit as a single model with animations in 3ds max |
| 08:57.30 | ArcanePariah | Now that art tools are out ot be used, maybe that will happen |
| 08:58.44 | Kueken | if anyone wants to do it, feel free to :D |
| 08:59.05 | Kueken | I have hardly any experience with 3ds max |
| 09:00.01 | ArcanePariah | Same, I have 0 |
| 09:03.11 | ArcanePariah | I'm curious what you all thoughts on the article about a week or 2 ago about game designer giving up because of harassment, and apparently including death threats from fans |
| 09:03.19 | ArcanePariah | game designers* |
| 09:04.24 | ArcanePariah | The article in question is here: http://www.polygon.com/2013/8/15/4622252/plague-of-game-dev-harassment-erodes-industry-spurs-support-groups |
| 09:05.08 | JademusSreg | Sounds like a pansy. /jest Naw, the writer from Bioware is interested in teaching narrative somethingorother. As for Phil Fish, he's always been full of feelings and volatile. |
| 09:06.43 | ArcanePariah | True, there is a level of criticism expected in any industry, but it appears the gaming one goes far beyond that. |
| 09:06.48 | G0A | Make your game fully balanced before release or face death:D |
| 09:07.42 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, I think people massively underestiamate the complexity of making even a simple game |
| 09:08.41 | G0A | 1 good tip: never nerf things always buff things up to it:D |
| 09:08.55 | G0A | no rage then |
| 09:12.22 | JademusSreg | Yeah, but as a vain, proud, narcissistic, self-interested, self-aggrandizing, handsome & handsomely dressed with a likely-sociopathic disregard for the feelings or well-being of others, I can assert with confidence that I don't give a shit what other people think. I'm more interested in how rigorously they can argue a position or articulate an intellectually-stimulating idea, but never can |
| 09:12.22 | JademusSreg | it be said I -care-. ♥ |
| 09:12.55 | JademusSreg | *handsomely-dressed person with |
| 09:14.55 | JademusSreg | Most people perhaps do not begin from this position, but with sufficient evaluation of what is meaningful and worth valuing, I imagine more people could benefit from such a default perspective. |
| 09:19.34 | Bommes | I don't know, on the one hand such a perspective is pretty useful. |
| 09:20.05 | Bommes | On the other hand describing Phil Fish as "he's always been full of feelings" seems a bit Terminator-esque |
| 09:24.44 | JademusSreg | The above is relevant to the issue because, like a node in a neural network, the identity of an individual person is contextually defined, personal identity a product of memory and feedback loops. |
| 09:29.12 | JademusSreg | A person tends to behave in such a way that validates their identity and which publicly seeks validation from other persons signaled by their responses. In this way, social responses shape the identity of the individual, establishing feedback loops that inform the person about itself in a way the internal feedback loop of memory and habit cannot, as it has the capacity to reframe. |
| 09:35.59 | Bommes | But persons don't get created out of a void, they tend to have characteristics based on their genetics, which includes mental disorders and other stuff like that which results in habits that they can't consciously control |
| 09:36.26 | JademusSreg | So by categorically not giving a shit about what people think (making exceptions for well-reasoned or stimulating ideas), I establish bounds on the social influences that have opportunity to shape or reframe my personal identity, and thus as a developer I'd never need a support group to deal with self-feels from the internet's limitless supply of shitty criticism, or "shitticism". |
| 09:36.35 | Bommes | and I personally think mental disorders aren't a binary thing, I think when Phil Fish acts like he acts its because of what has happened to him and how he reacts to it just as much that he is controlled by his brain and can't react ina different way |
| 09:37.16 | JademusSreg | Yes, Bom, I agree. |
| 09:37.24 | JademusSreg | And I will continue to make jokes regardless. |
| 09:37.32 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 09:37.40 | Bommes | we are inherently evil creatures, what can we do :D |
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| 13:33.24 | Lepton | found it, its called search for help flag |
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| 14:08.38 | Dustin|Home | Morning guys |
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| 15:26.13 | Dogmai | I called it. |
| 15:26.17 | Dogmai | Someone donated 10k to SCU. |
| 15:26.24 | Dogmai | @ Dustin|Home |
| 15:29.14 | Ahli | so u did or what do you want to tell us? |
| 15:37.22 | Bommes | man, I want to get into Hearthstone Beta |
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| 15:48.31 | Tomura | http://youtu.be/vBs5gxGwoGc |
| 15:49.19 | Tomura | I think I now have most of the features I wanted in my model |
| 15:49.34 | Tomura | or rather blizzards spectre model |
| 15:49.41 | Tomura | thank you Art Tools |
| 15:55.46 | Kueken | looks good enough |
| 15:57.16 | Tomura | yeah I'd like to have faster map script, so that I can use a trace in each loop, to make it more accurate |
| 15:58.09 | Bommes | looks great :) |
| 15:58.14 | Tomura | also some problems with the terrainheight influencing the look at point even when I'm taking it into account. The function doesn't seem to like negative Z values |
| 15:58.25 | Bommes | terrain is also amazing |
| 15:58.41 | Tomura | thx |
| 15:59.49 | Bommes | Only problem I can see for playing on it is that it is very open and it seems easy to get lost |
| 16:00.00 | Bommes | but that might be intended at this stage since it's a relatively early version :) |
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| 16:02.20 | Tomura | it actually is really small, but I still think I need more "landmarks" to give the player more orientation without using a map |
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| 16:31.00 | Bommes | Yeah good idea. |
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| 16:31.54 | mille25 | hey |
| 16:32.30 | Bommes | good evening |
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| 16:56.13 | Necromoni | . |
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| 17:10.14 | Ahli | yay, I'm getting an SSD, ram and a cooler :) |
| 17:10.36 | ArcanePariah | Good, SSD makes a world of difference for load times |
| 17:10.50 | ArcanePariah | Like... night and day is a understatement |
| 17:11.12 | ArcanePariah | How much RAM you getting and how much you have now? |
| 17:12.02 | Ahli | atm I've 4gb and I ordered 8gig... |
| 17:12.14 | Ahli | so, I will end up with 8 or 12 |
| 17:12.23 | mille25 | I cant stand working with HDDs since i had my first SSD. |
| 17:12.32 | ArcanePariah | Ok, yeah, the new ram will help, since sc2 + editor open chews up nearly 3 gigs by itself, or at least 2 |
| 17:12.39 | ArcanePariah | No kidding |
| 17:12.54 | Ahli | not for me, but I assume it's moving parts onto the hdd then |
| 17:13.15 | mille25 | It depends on which windows are open. |
| 17:13.21 | mille25 | Terrain window for example consumes lots of RAM. |
| 17:13.28 | Necromoni | for me it's 1g |
| 17:13.35 | ArcanePariah | For me, the idea of windows booting and actually completeing that little logo is... weird |
| 17:13.41 | Ahli | I only have terrain open when I need it |
| 17:13.48 | Necromoni | same |
| 17:15.36 | Ahli | I assume I won't have loading stuttering in Blizzard games anymore ^^ |
| 17:16.12 | Ahli | when I put them onto it... 128gb should be enough for bloated OS, programs and a few games |
| 17:16.25 | ArcanePariah | Shouldn't, and with that much ram, you benefit much more from the unit preloader |
| 17:16.50 | Repo | New experimental map: CnC Revolutions - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/cnc-revolutions/ |
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| 17:38.18 | zenx | lool |
| 17:38.23 | zenx | these american series |
| 17:39.03 | zenx | buy junk piece of shit painting for 200$ -> is worth 10k$ |
| 17:39.08 | zenx | riiiiight |
| 17:44.11 | mexa | hi |
| 17:47.39 | Zandose|Away | hi |
| 17:49.47 | Zandose | its probably fake show. like storage wars. they fill the storage things with stuff to make it look good. |
| 17:50.55 | zenx | no kiding |
| 17:51.05 | zenx | just wondering how can they even make that kind of bullshit |
| 17:51.16 | zenx | pawn shop atleast seems somewhat beliavable |
| 17:52.29 | Zandose | eh |
| 17:55.47 | Lepton | whats SCU |
| 17:57.37 | zenx | starcraft urination |
| 17:58.08 | zenx | Im just bored |
| 17:58.09 | zenx | ignore me |
| 18:00.40 | Lepton | is it the scam documentary? |
| 18:00.55 | Lepton | that they promised 2 years ago |
| 18:00.55 | zenx | its starcraft universe |
| 18:01.02 | zenx | somekind of MMO on starcraft |
| 18:01.03 | zenx | a mod |
| 18:01.07 | Lepton | oh |
| 18:01.12 | zenx | which they try to kickstart |
| 18:01.12 | Lepton | so uhm |
| 18:01.30 | Lepton | someone needs $80k to build a custom map? |
| 18:01.31 | Lepton | o.0 |
| 18:01.49 | zenx | its not that much even if you consider how time consuming it can be |
| 18:02.17 | zenx | not to mention they will most likely not get any profit at all once its done |
| 18:02.20 | zenx | since its f2p |
| 18:05.48 | Lepton | how do we know they dont put 90% of that money in their pocket? |
| 18:06.26 | Lepton | i mean...they probably do and thats the point but like, most people do maps for free in their free time, why does this guy deserve to be payed 80k to make a map? |
| 18:06.51 | zenx | who the fuck cares if they get paid for spending their freetime doing something they like to do |
| 18:06.57 | zenx | I dont mind at all |
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| 18:12.20 | Bommes | You deserve to get as much as people are willing to give you in my eyes. |
| 18:12.53 | Bommes | People are getting money for much more stupid things than SCU to be honest :) |
| 18:32.13 | Zandose | would anyone like to help me and tell me which actor message (in triggers) i should use to make a actor move (with speed settings) and what one to use for a instant move. |
| 18:34.00 | zenx | you mean action or actor? :E |
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| 18:37.32 | Zandose | Actor - Send message (MoverMove) to actor (Last created actor) |
| 18:38.39 | Zandose | actor |
| 18:44.47 | Kueken | that actor message is supposed to be sent to a MoverSite type actor |
| 18:46.12 | Kueken | the GAx3 mod provides a nice API for moving actors using mover sites internally |
| 18:46.23 | Kueken | I would suggest you try that out |
| 18:47.51 | Zandose | i do use GAx3 but i want to send actor move message to only one player |
| 18:53.17 | Kueken | then I would suggest having a look at the GAx3 script |
| 18:54.22 | Kueken | didn't GAx3 support sending any actor messages on a per-player basis anyway? |
| 18:56.32 | Zandose | yes but their isnt a message for moving the actor |
| 19:12.07 | Zandose | im trying to have one actor/model which is moved differently for each player |
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| 19:30.50 | Zandose | do i need to publish a map to get someone to test it with me? |
| 19:32.36 | Kueken | if you want 2 persons in 1 game, yes |
| 19:39.04 | Zandose | anyone free to test a simple 10 second map? i need to know if the bridge moves right or upwards |
| 19:43.57 | Zandose | no map testers right now? |
| 19:49.09 | Necromoni | i can |
| 19:49.19 | Necromoni | Zandose |
| 19:49.27 | Zandose | woot |
| 19:50.22 | Necromoni | EU or NA? |
| 19:50.46 | Zandose | na |
| 19:50.55 | Zandose | i think im zandose#1115 |
| 19:51.54 | Necromoni | go in the sc2mapster group |
| 19:58.00 | Zandose | why didnt it work... |
| 20:00.11 | Necromoni | why did you need multiple people anyways |
| 20:00.21 | Zandose | how do i make myself player two instead of player one? |
| 20:00.42 | Necromoni | i think preferences |
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| 20:00.56 | Zandose | i was testing moving a actor differently for each player |
| 20:01.13 | Necromoni | oh |
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| 20:06.54 | Zandose | your right. it doesnt move for player 2 |
| 20:09.29 | Zandose | hey Necromoni up for one more test? |
| 20:09.47 | Necromoni | im in a game |
| 20:09.49 | Necromoni | sry |
| 20:10.32 | Zandose | np |
| 20:11.30 | Zandose | anyone else up for testing a map? should take less then a minute. |
| 20:11.56 | Fate_ | me |
| 20:11.59 | Fate_ | where? |
| 20:12.12 | Zandose | go to sc2mapster channel/group |
| 20:12.12 | Fate_ | na eu? |
| 20:12.14 | Zandose | na |
| 20:16.43 | Zandose | ty |
| 20:16.48 | Fate_ | np |
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| 20:52.05 | Stewox | hello |
| 20:52.25 | Stewox | how do I operate with a unit that is yet to be created by a script |
| 20:52.30 | Stewox | periodic event |
| 20:52.38 | Stewox | Spawn Unit |
| 20:52.40 | Stewox | wait time |
| 20:52.50 | Stewox | move "triggering unit" <-Does not work |
| 20:53.37 | Stewox | if this is not possible then modding this game is pointless |
| 20:54.17 | Stewox | a1win |
| 20:54.18 | Stewox | ahli |
| 20:54.20 | Stewox | bibendus |
| 20:54.23 | Stewox | jademussreg |
| 20:54.24 | Dustin|Home | Store the unit in a varaible |
| 20:54.30 | Stewox | a |
| 20:54.33 | Dustin|Home | UnitVar = TriggeringUnit. |
| 20:54.38 | Dustin|Home | Then reference the var |
| 20:54.59 | Stewox | how do i know who's the triggering unit, |
| 20:55.02 | Stewox | if i have more of them ? |
| 20:55.09 | Stewox | same kind, but for another player |
| 20:55.12 | A1win | there can be only one |
| 20:55.15 | Dustin|Home | Crea the unit, then store it |
| 20:55.29 | Stewox | i haven't worked with storing before |
| 20:55.38 | Dustin|Home | whaa |
| 20:55.46 | A1win | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_(computer_science)# start reading :P |
| 20:55.46 | Dustin|Home | Just make a new Variable and set the unit to it |
| 20:55.58 | Stewox | i know what variable is lol |
| 20:56.02 | Fate_ | XD |
| 20:56.15 | A1win | use them ;p |
| 20:56.25 | Stewox | so i can assing more of the same to a variable |
| 20:56.31 | Stewox | so i have more vars then ? |
| 20:56.39 | A1win | x.x |
| 20:56.40 | Dustin|Home | wha |
| 20:56.46 | Stewox | they're all creep tumors |
| 20:56.49 | Stewox | for example |
| 20:56.54 | Dustin|Home | Oh, make a fucking unit group if you want to make a bunch and store them then wait |
| 20:57.02 | Dustin|Home | And jsut add units to unit group as u make them |
| 20:57.35 | Stewox | no no, i need to use different script for different players , total 6 of them, |
| 20:57.41 | A1win | units and players can be stored in unit and player groups, for other data types, you need to use arrays or data table most of the time |
| 20:58.02 | Dustin|Home | What Stewox... youre not making sense lol |
| 20:58.15 | A1win | don't use a different script for each player, players can be easily iterated |
| 20:58.31 | Stewox | why the hell is not possible directly, insead of triggering unit, could choose "created unit" but that still points to the one in the conditions or events, silly |
| 20:58.53 | Stewox | i need to move them to different points, so i can't use same script |
| 20:59.00 | Stewox | different pattern |
| 20:59.03 | Stewox | path |
| 20:59.20 | Stewox | there is no path editor, so i layed down points close to each other kind of a makeshift path |
| 20:59.24 | Dustin|Home | stewox |
| 20:59.30 | Dustin|Home | Expakin exactly waht you're trying to do |
| 20:59.33 | Dustin|Home | explain* |
| 20:59.46 | Stewox | move creep tumor around on a path |
| 21:00.07 | A1win | I'll silently retreat before I sink too deep into this... mess |
| 21:00.12 | Stewox | so the creep is flowing like a snowslide |
| 21:01.15 | Stewox | i need to use creep tumors because the artificially created creep does not behave normally, it is instant instead of slow dissipation and spread |
| 21:01.46 | Stewox | for a test track i laid down 40 points |
| 21:03.26 | Stewox | i use move unit instantly |
| 21:03.51 | Stewox | with 0.5 wait |
| 21:04.11 | Stewox | Dusin |
| 21:04.38 | Stewox | i don't know how to set the unit to a variable, if the unit does not exist yet, or is this possible there ? |
| 21:06.13 | Stewox | Dustin|Home what now ? |
| 21:06.20 | Dustin|Home | Why do you need to set a variable for a unit that doesnt exit? |
| 21:06.32 | Dustin|Home | When you create the unit, set it to the variable |
| 21:06.42 | Dustin|Home | Then reference that global Varaible when you want to use it |
| 21:06.44 | Stewox | well actually, i don't need it |
| 21:06.53 | Stewox | i was just testing it without it being created |
| 21:06.59 | Stewox | but actually i don't need it thankfully |
| 21:07.24 | Stewox | anyways, is it possible or not anyways ? |
| 21:07.34 | Dustin|Home | no |
| 21:07.39 | Dustin|Home | That makes no sense :P |
| 21:07.41 | A1win | I wonder what happens if I drop my phone on the floor... I'll test it without the phone so that it won't break |
| 21:07.52 | Stewox | if the unit already exists, then I don't need the variable then |
| 21:07.57 | Dustin|Home | No |
| 21:08.05 | Stewox | why did you then tell me to use a variable if you said now it can't be done |
| 21:08.11 | Dustin|Home | Cause then you dont know how to grab it if you dont know where its at or anything about it |
| 21:08.18 | Dustin|Home | Stewox god damnit listen |
| 21:08.31 | Dustin|Home | I told you to set the unit to a variable when it was created |
| 21:08.40 | Dustin|Home | Then you can use the variable when ever you want to move that unit |
| 21:08.48 | Stewox | allright |
| 21:08.52 | Dustin|Home | So you dont have to use grouping by playeri n region to get it |
| 21:08.56 | Stewox | so you mean, it doesn't get messed up with others ? |
| 21:09.11 | Dustin|Home | What do you mean gets messed up? |
| 21:09.19 | Stewox | with other's player tumors |
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| 21:09.38 | Dustin|Home | If you want to have a tumor for each player thats easy |
| 21:09.41 | Dustin|Home | An array of Units |
| 21:09.43 | Stewox | you already pointed that out i see |
| 21:10.01 | Dustin|Home | Player_Tumor[1] = Last_Created_Unit() |
| 21:10.06 | Zolden | hello, noble mapmakermen |
| 21:10.16 | Stewox | but basically tthe trick is actually, it doesn't have to be player's tumor |
| 21:10.18 | Fate_ | hello |
| 21:10.27 | Stewox | because anyone can build on anyone's creep |
| 21:10.40 | Stewox | all the tumors can be from neutral player |
| 21:10.55 | Stewox | but they all need to work for each player separately, moving |
| 21:11.09 | Zolden | Fate_: you may have noticed what evil said: edit the texture of the flag to get the desirable look |
| 21:11.31 | Zolden | (if you haven't found the otixa's one) |
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| 21:11.52 | Fate_ | no i havent |
| 21:12.01 | Fate_ | i was a bit lazy thoug |
| 21:13.18 | Stewox | Dustin|Home is there anything easier than points for a path ? |
| 21:13.29 | Stewox | because this will need hundreds of them |
| 21:13.48 | Zolden | anyon |
| 21:13.59 | Zolden | anone's tried the new art tools? |
| 21:14.11 | Zolden | crap |
| 21:14.52 | Zolden | Dogmai: r u here? |
| 21:15.20 | Stewox | can anyone tell me how to edit camera height ? |
| 21:15.23 | Stewox | i forget this |
| 21:17.05 | Necromoni | data |
| 21:17.06 | Stewox | data ? CCCamera, default camera ... |
| 21:17.07 | Necromoni | camera tab |
| 21:17.09 | Necromoni | default camera |
| 21:17.21 | Stewox | maybe i didn't increase much |
| 21:17.29 | Necromoni | zoom levels |
| 21:17.32 | Stewox | is it the INITIAL PARAMETER > Distance ? |
| 21:18.05 | Stewox | then what ? |
| 21:18.08 | Stewox | hotkey to use |
| 21:18.12 | Stewox | or just scroll |
| 21:18.39 | Stewox | doesn't really work by default |
| 21:18.46 | Stewox | i don't see what i need to set ? |
| 21:20.01 | Stewox | i just put in some numers into everything |
| 21:22.12 | Necromoni | each zoom level defines the values for the level of scroll |
| 21:22.25 | Necromoni | Distance = distance from ground level to the camera |
| 21:22.52 | Necromoni | Angle of Attack = Angle of camera in relation from what it sees |
| 21:23.28 | Stewox | yeah but isn't this already in now that the game is updated |
| 21:23.31 | Stewox | i didn't see it work |
| 21:23.34 | Necromoni | 0 is the deefault zoom level |
| 21:23.41 | Necromoni | ? |
| 21:23.45 | Necromoni | what is already in? |
| 21:23.52 | Stewox | higher zoom levels |
| 21:23.59 | Necromoni | ? |
| 21:24.03 | Stewox | pathc |
| 21:24.06 | Stewox | patch |
| 21:24.11 | Necromoni | patch? |
| 21:24.15 | Stewox | ah |
| 21:24.21 | Stewox | i just set everything to 300 |
| 21:24.23 | Necromoni | all they probably did is |
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| 21:25.08 | Necromoni_ | . |
| 21:25.10 | Necromoni_ | sry d/c |
| 21:25.12 | Stewox | maybe it doesn't have anything to do with that |
| 21:25.14 | Zolden | Tomura: tried new art tools? |
| 21:25.26 | Necromoni_ | are you tqalking about scroll zoom levels |
| 21:25.29 | Tomura | a bit |
| 21:25.31 | Necromoni_ | then yes it has to deal with that |
| 21:25.34 | Stewox | but i haven't seen it work in the editor |
| 21:25.47 | Stewox | yeah |
| 21:25.48 | Necromoni_ | it'll work in game |
| 21:25.49 | Necromoni_ | not in editor |
| 21:25.53 | Tomura | it's not that different, but I didn't try the stuff that made it crash yet |
| 21:25.56 | Stewox | no no i mean testmap |
| 21:26.01 | Necromoni_ | u can jus scroll in editor if u want |
| 21:26.01 | Stewox | it's really close |
| 21:26.02 | Tomura | so I can't say a lot about improvements |
| 21:26.07 | Necromoni_ | because u set the angle to 300 |
| 21:26.08 | Necromoni_ | derp |
| 21:26.22 | Zolden | Tomura: have you ever used flip book for particles? |
| 21:26.24 | Stewox | blizzard does this to force everyone seeing the same amount of area |
| 21:26.26 | Necromoni_ | just change distance to 300 and leave angle at 48 |
| 21:26.35 | Necromoni_ | 56* |
| 21:26.35 | Tomura | no |
| 21:26.51 | Necromoni_ | or change angle to 90 |
| 21:26.54 | Necromoni_ | (overhead) |
| 21:27.22 | Tomura | but it shouldn't be that different to how they were in warcraft 3, I think |
| 21:28.10 | Zolden | Tomura: i just want to know are they refuse to work with the combined material as they were in previous version, which was annoying a bit |
| 21:28.16 | Stewox | i have asus VG278HE which is 27 and 1080p and it looks too close for my eyes |
| 21:28.21 | Zolden | what model examples they added? |
| 21:28.31 | Zolden | any more units? |
| 21:28.38 | Tomura | let me take a look |
| 21:28.54 | Tomura | the cliffs are new I think |
| 21:29.06 | Zolden | yea |
| 21:29.17 | Tomura | the units are the same ones |
| 21:29.25 | Zolden | ;/ |
| 21:29.30 | Necromoni_ | . |
| 21:30.10 | Tomura | and a MarSaraTree and MarSaraTerrainMix |
| 21:30.16 | Tomura | *-a |
| 21:30.36 | Tomura | TutorialTree and Tutorial Hovortal |
| 21:30.53 | Zolden | ok |
| 21:30.58 | Tomura | other than that the documentation ist complete |
| 21:31.01 | Zolden | hope they will add more for the release |
| 21:31.04 | Tomura | so that actually helps a lot |
| 21:31.11 | Stewox | basically with a larger screen stuff gets bigger because it displays same amount of area to not make advantage to players with smaller screen hmm ? |
| 21:31.16 | Zolden | complete docs? cool |
| 21:31.30 | Stewox | but why the hell is the lower screen a standard, why not make the widescreens look good |
| 21:31.54 | Tomura | and the export menu ist a bit better |
| 21:32.02 | Tomura | with the preview Add option added |
| 21:32.07 | Necromoni_ | why complain |
| 21:32.12 | Necromoni_ | not like it'll change anything |
| 21:32.20 | Stewox | i think this was changed |
| 21:32.31 | Stewox | i think before the patch it wasn't so close for my monitor |
| 21:32.47 | Zolden | would you be curious to try the flip book thing? |
| 21:33.13 | Zolden | what preview add do? |
| 21:33.56 | Tomura | instead of resetting the previewer it keeps it as it was before and just replaces the model of the actor for the exported moel |
| 21:33.59 | Tomura | *model |
| 21:34.36 | Zolden | oh, it's convenient |
| 21:34.38 | Tomura | so if you are testing things like attachmentpoints or certain behaviors you don't have to set the scene up after every export |
| 21:35.13 | Tomura | so just a normal flip book particle or what do I have to do? |
| 21:35.15 | Zolden | i hated to drag it every time to create lots of animation in consequence |
| 21:35.37 | Stewox | another thing |
| 21:35.47 | Stewox | I edited with script manually RAW stuff |
| 21:36.02 | Stewox | from "EventUnit()" to "variable_custom" |
| 21:36.07 | Stewox | but the UI doesn't update |
| 21:36.11 | Stewox | it compiled successfully |
| 21:36.15 | Zolden | first, create a flip book with a standart material, and make sure it works, then change material to combined and "keep the old mateiral" |
| 21:36.19 | Stewox | UI still shows (triggering unit) |
| 21:36.21 | Zolden | and check if it still works |
| 21:36.24 | Stewox | instead of the variable name |
| 21:37.07 | Zolden | as a texture you can use any of sc2 ones, like fireanim... something |
| 21:38.09 | Zolden | if you never tried it, there are tips: set up rows and columns in the particle emitter, then set last frame, and in the material check "use particle emitters flip book options" |
| 21:41.47 | Zolden | i didnbefore the patch |
| 21:42.09 | Zolden | i didn't find a way to make it work with the combined material before the patch |
| 21:49.56 | Tomura | oh I'm dumb ... I was using the particle from the other plugin |
| 21:50.01 | Tomura | no wonder nothing worked |
| 21:52.44 | Zolden | old objects stay after reinstall? |
| 21:52.52 | Zolden | oh, you mean other plugin |
| 21:53.09 | Tomura | yeah the fan made one |
| 21:53.14 | Tomura | I don't know who it was |
| 21:55.50 | Stewox | HELLO |
| 21:55.58 | Stewox | Script compiling does not work |
| 21:56.01 | Stewox | it does not save |
| 21:56.13 | Stewox | raw triggers |
| 21:56.25 | Stewox | Script Test window |
| 21:58.34 | Tomura | it seems to work |
| 21:59.22 | Stewox | anyone ? |
| 21:59.59 | Stewox | HELLO |
| 22:00.03 | Stewox | why doesn't work |
| 22:00.11 | Stewox | this is useless |
| 22:00.24 | Stewox | Dustin|Home i have another problem |
| 22:00.34 | Stewox | Script windows doesn't save compiled code |
| 22:00.42 | Stewox | wtf is this |
| 22:02.57 | Zolden | Tomura: with the combined material? |
| 22:03.16 | Tomura | what exactly do you mean by that? |
| 22:04.14 | Stewox | HELOO |
| 22:04.16 | Stewox | ANYONE |
| 22:04.21 | Stewox | Im done |
| 22:04.28 | Stewox | i can't finish without this |
| 22:04.38 | Stewox | fuck it im going to fucking hack this game |
| 22:04.54 | Zolden | it's a material type. When you create a material, you just selectit's type. And if you change your "standart" material's type to combined, it will ask, if you want to keep the old material |
| 22:05.00 | Stewox | old style, i'll force this shit to work as I want it to |
| 22:05.26 | Zolden | then it will create a combined material with your standard material as its first entry |
| 22:05.42 | Zolden | then you just test again, if it will work as it worked b4 you changed |
| 22:06.04 | Tomura | ah you mean the composite materials |
| 22:06.52 | Zolden | oh, right |
| 22:06.58 | Zolden | forgot the exact name |
| 22:07.20 | Tomura | does not work with them |
| 22:08.02 | Zolden | ok, then they didn't fix it |
| 22:08.17 | Zolden | it's an annoying bug, and i reported it like 3 months ago |
| 22:08.35 | Zolden | well, ok, will report again in their new thread |
| 22:08.42 | Zolden | thanks for test |
| 22:08.49 | Zolden | i'm away, so can't test myself |
| 22:08.58 | Zolden | you satisfied my curiosity |
| 22:09.52 | Tomura | ^^ |
| 22:10.40 | Tomura | that functionality would really be nice. But StarCraft's Material System is pretty simple |
| 22:13.31 | Tomura | at least compared to Unreal Engine 3 |
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| 22:22.04 | Zolden | maybe it's relatively simple, but combining materials, tricking with channels, helps to make some cool things, to get the best from the used shader |
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| 23:50.28 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 23:53.14 | JademusSreg | I see Dustin had "fun" fielding questions in my absence. |
| 23:53.49 | Dustin|Home | Omg the fun almost made my kill myself. |
| 23:55.27 | JademusSreg | You were more patient than I would have beem. |
| 23:55.30 | JademusSreg | *been |
| 23:56.03 | Dustin|Home | Hehe, now it's time to go imbide some old whiskey. |
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| 23:57.26 | JademusSreg | Use this next time, consider it a return statement to escape a stupid discussion function: http://i.imgur.com/jEs8u6p.gif |
| 23:57.59 | Dustin|Home | haha love it |
| 23:58.11 | JademusSreg | =D |
