| 00:15.09 | Zandose | I'm using GAx3 and was wondering if u can make one actor/model be at different places for different players |
| 00:15.37 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 00:16.04 | Zandose | please explain |
| 00:17.29 | Zandose | actor message for each player? |
| 00:18.03 | JademusSreg | Depends, but one could apply siteops to the site asynchronously or async message for the actor position. |
| 00:18.45 | Zandose | i dont know site ops |
| 00:19.25 | JademusSreg | *to the site / host |
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| 00:19.38 | Kueken | Shark |
| 00:20.09 | Zandose | can i just not use GAx3's actor message to player and move the actor that way? |
| 00:20.09 | JademusSreg | Though asynchronous actor manipulation has been added to the standard data, as well. |
| 00:20.41 | JademusSreg | "or async message for the actor position." That's what that means. |
| 00:21.21 | Zandose | async message for the actor position = actor message to player |
| 00:21.21 | Zandose | ? |
| 00:21.22 | JademusSreg | Hi thar Kueken. |
| 00:21.41 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 00:21.55 | Zandose | okay. thank you very much. |
| 00:23.00 | Kueken | ya renee was a little upset about this, now people have one less reason to run GAx3 :D |
| 00:23.18 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 00:23.59 | Zandose | blizzard added their own actor message to player in triggers? |
| 00:24.24 | JademusSreg | Dunno, haven't checked. |
| 00:24.33 | JademusSreg | But the data-side functionality is there. |
| 00:25.33 | Zandose | ic |
| 00:26.53 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 00:27.56 | JademusSreg | No new natives were added for that purpose, so the async message support must be a feature of the messages themselves. |
| 00:28.43 | JademusSreg | I need to perform a thorough extraction and update all my references. |
| 00:30.25 | JademusSreg | Recent patch removed some element support from some layout frame types, so I expect other changes I have yet to document. |
| 00:33.57 | Zandose | when you use GAx3 to make a actor disappear is it using opacity or something else? |
| 00:35.34 | JademusSreg | Disappear? Not aware of any such function or message. To what do you refer specifically? |
| 00:36.00 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.19 | Zandose | Actor - Hide Actor For (Active Players) |
| 00:36.46 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 00:36.47 | Zandose | show/hide actor for player |
| 00:36.52 | JademusSreg | It's a visibility message. |
| 00:36.59 | Zandose | oh yah |
| 00:37.13 | Zandose | forgot there was that too |
| 00:37.14 | JademusSreg | void ActorShowAsyn2 (playergroup players, actor a, bool inShow) { ActorSendAsyn(players, a,"SetVisibility "+IntToString(BoolToInt(inShow))); } |
| 00:37.15 | Zandose | thanks |
| 00:50.57 | Zandose | if you move all players from a Player Group will the Player Group read as "No Player Group" or a Player Group with no players? |
| 00:51.07 | Zandose | if you remove all players from a Player Group will the Player Group read as "No Player Group" or a Player Group with no players? |
| 00:55.00 | JademusSreg | The latter. |
| 00:55.09 | JademusSreg | Empty Player Group. |
| 00:57.37 | Zandose | ty |
| 01:03.04 | Zandose | do you know which actor messages i should use for instant move and move to position with a speed? |
| 01:03.22 | JademusSreg | (Busy.) |
| 01:03.27 | Zandose | k |
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| 01:09.28 | Kueken | try behavior alone |
| 01:11.10 | Kueken | does it freeze if anything is hit by the search or just when the persistent starts? |
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| 01:16.53 | Necromoni | u need to be more clear |
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| 01:19.18 | Kueken | interesting |
| 01:19.34 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.50 | Kueken | but since you apparently fixed it, its just worth exploring for curiosity |
| 01:20.07 | Kueken | or do you need it lower than 0.125? |
| 01:20.19 | Necromoni | is it hitting the same unit multiple times? |
| 01:20.33 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.37 | gooose | yes |
| 01:20.45 | Kueken | you can apply multiple stacks |
| 01:20.47 | gooose | max stack is 1 tho |
| 01:20.55 | Necromoni | oh |
| 01:21.08 | Kueken | multiple stacks will make em slower |
| 01:21.20 | Necromoni | he wants it faster |
| 01:21.21 | Necromoni | lol |
| 01:21.29 | Necromoni | 0.1 -> 0.6 |
| 01:21.33 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.39 | Kueken | 0.06 |
| 01:21.40 | Necromoni | wait |
| 01:21.48 | Necromoni | 0.01 -> 0.06* |
| 01:21.51 | Kueken | gooose: not sure |
| 01:21.54 | Necromoni | he said he has it at 0.01 |
| 01:22.03 | Kueken | he is at 0.125 |
| 01:22.13 | Necromoni | [19:20] <gooose> well i d like to have it at 0.0625 but 0.01 it is |
| 01:22.54 | Kueken | .01 is complete freeze, he doesn't want that, 0.0625 would be perfect put crashes, 0.125 is the next fastest which works |
| 01:23.27 | Kueken | w/e |
| 01:24.10 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.12 | Necromoni | "it's working fine with 0.125 and 0.01" |
| 01:24.13 | Kueken | I have no idea why 0.0625 would freeze, though |
| 01:24.31 | Necromoni | but ya |
| 01:24.36 | Necromoni | OH |
| 01:24.36 | Necromoni | lol |
| 01:24.40 | Necromoni | i get what ure sayin |
| 01:24.45 | Necromoni | my bad |
| 01:24.47 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.54 | Kueken | yeah, I might have used confusing wording |
| 01:24.59 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.05 | Kueken | :D |
| 01:25.14 | Kueken | so now 0.0625 works? |
| 01:25.16 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.17 | Necromoni | figured it was applying multiple times ;o |
| 01:25.26 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.37 | Necromoni | i think it's multiplicative |
| 01:25.41 | Kueken | time scale by itself is weird |
| 01:25.41 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.44 | Kueken | yes it is |
| 01:25.49 | Necromoni | so u mess it if u go too low |
| 01:25.55 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.56 | Necromoni | time scale is so hacky |
| 01:26.07 | Necromoni | their data isnt precise |
| 01:26.08 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.12 | Necromoni | some values work while others dont |
| 01:26.28 | Kueken | 0.01 probably was = 0 internally, |
| 01:26.34 | Necromoni | yep |
| 01:26.37 | Necromoni | usually is |
| 01:26.44 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.59 | Necromoni | it's just like when u put something as 0.8 |
| 01:27.03 | Necromoni | and it goes to 0.78695 |
| 01:27.05 | Necromoni | or something |
| 01:27.35 | Necromoni | like kueken said 0.01 was probably 0 internally so 0*0=0 |
| 01:27.49 | Kueken | .125² is .015625 which might be handled as .3125, which is a valid value |
| 01:27.52 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.00 | Necromoni | yep |
| 01:28.03 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:28.11 | Kueken | :D |
| 01:28.15 | Necromoni | lol |
| 01:28.22 | Kueken | hooray for consistency |
| 01:28.30 | Kueken | so far for our theorys |
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| 01:29.27 | Necromoni | brain lapse on the editors part then |
| 01:30.02 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.09 | Kueken | how many of my precious brain cells I wasted on random editor hiccups already... |
| 01:30.37 | Kueken | brb, hunting some food |
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| 01:31.49 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.15 | Kueken | don#t worry, I know how to make the editor crash myself :) |
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| 01:33.14 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/triggers/types/fixed/ |
| 01:33.22 | JademusSreg | Know your data types. |
| 01:34.08 | JademusSreg | Additionally, time is constrained by update periodicity. |
| 01:34.17 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.45 | JademusSreg | The smallest meaningful time increment is 0.03125. |
| 01:35.07 | JademusSreg | And all increments of time will be a multiple of that value. |
| 01:35.53 | JademusSreg | Rather, game time. |
| 01:36.30 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.36 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.44 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.27 | JademusSreg | Are you refering to duration or timescale? |
| 01:38.07 | JademusSreg | Also, you ought to know to set the Time Scale Source to |
| 01:38.16 | JademusSreg | Global when messing with Time Scale. |
| 01:38.16 | Zandose | is there any garbage problems from creating and destroying a actor/model? |
| 01:38.25 | Zandose | is there any garbage problems for creating and destroying a actor/model? |
| 01:38.36 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.38 | JademusSreg | Zan, not if its being destroyed. |
| 01:39.02 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.06 | Zandose | k |
| 01:39.18 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.25 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.29 | Zandose | im using triggers |
| 01:39.34 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.41 | Zandose | i dont like data |
| 01:39.42 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.19 | JademusSreg | goo, the Time Scale Source for behaviors defaults to the unit on which it is applied, so that will fuck with the duration. Thus, one should set it to Global. |
| 01:41.17 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.19 | Zandose | JademusSreg would now be a good time to ask to which actor messages to use for instant move and move to position with speed? |
| 01:41.46 | JademusSreg | Well, it's probably the same message with a flag argument. |
| 01:41.52 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.13 | JademusSreg | I mean, if you look at the actor message in the actor events, you'll -see- the arguments it accepts. |
| 01:42.20 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:42.29 | Zandose | Actor - Send message (SetPosition (X of L.Point) (Y of L.Point) (Height of L.Point)) to actor A.O.Actor[L.Loop] for (Player group((Picked player)))Actor - Send message (MoverSetSpeed A.P.MoveSpeed[(Picked player)]) to actor A.O.Actor[L.Loop] for (Player group((Picked player))) |
| 01:42.33 | Zandose | err |
| 01:42.38 | JademusSreg | Nope, nope, just not even. |
| 01:42.39 | Zandose | ignore that |
| 01:42.45 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 01:42.48 | JademusSreg | brb++ |
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| 01:46.28 | JademusSreg | (How would the Global timescale possibly be set to that value? ) |
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| 01:51.00 | JademusSreg | (Hah.) |
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| 01:56.24 | Dogmai | the sick duckling died last night |
| 01:56.26 | Dogmai | it is sad |
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| 02:48.54 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 03:11.08 | Obscene | zip |
| 03:11.12 | Obscene | your pants... |
| 03:16.43 | JademusSreg | You first. Appears we have ourselves a Latin American standoff. |
| 03:28.37 | Necromoni | . |
| 03:39.03 | Obscene | I am not zipping your pants.... |
| 03:39.08 | Obscene | Creeper |
| 03:39.47 | JademusSreg | adds Creeper to the list. |
| 03:40.59 | Obscene | lol |
| 03:41.21 | Obscene | Is robot, burrito, android, Purls brother, Repo 2, and a few other names I have called you on that list |
| 03:42.07 | Obscene | I am just trying to keep track, I dont wanna get stuck on any single name |
| 03:42.22 | JademusSreg | Naw, I refer to a list of references for items. |
| 03:42.30 | Obscene | ah |
| 03:44.35 | Obscene | Good to know, purls sister |
| 03:45.01 | JademusSreg | Gender is not a meaningful construct in this medium. |
| 03:45.22 | Obscene | Whats amazing is your a computer program WITH a gender |
| 03:45.29 | Obscene | you should be quite proud of that, the first of your kind |
| 03:45.47 | Obscene | if you had pride indicators installed. |
| 03:52.30 | Necromoni | lol |
| 03:54.37 | Obscene | I kid jademus :P, I just pick on him because he likes to talk very techincal sometimes |
| 03:55.19 | JademusSreg | Wasn't aware of picking; it was clearly in jest. |
| 03:56.19 | JademusSreg | Anyway, compiling a list of references to interesting, icon game items and entities. |
| 03:56.59 | JademusSreg | *iconic |
| 03:57.19 | Obscene | well yeah picking wasnt a very good word for it :P, picking would insinuate I am trying to warrent a negative reaction |
| 03:57.49 | Obscene | ah cool |
| 03:58.11 | Obscene | You added the crowbar? |
| 03:58.18 | Obscene | (half life) |
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| 04:06.37 | JademusSreg | Gravity gun. |
| 04:07.08 | JademusSreg | Crowbar is iconic, but doesn't present an interesting mechanic. |
| 04:32.37 | Obscene | heres an interesting mechinic! |
| 04:32.38 | Obscene | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fHPvT8zVXT0 |
| 04:34.01 | JademusSreg | Amusing, but not an interesting mechanic. |
| 04:40.05 | Obscene | lol |
| 04:40.12 | Obscene | had to try, I am a sucker for shark guns |
| 04:40.44 | Obscene | For iconic items, then just check any mario suit :P |
| 04:44.21 | JademusSreg | Interesting mechanic is what matters here, iconic status is a bonus. |
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| 04:48.02 | JademusSreg | It's the sort of mechanic that you find yourself wishing you had in another game. Like a Portal Gun, or grappling hook. |
| 04:48.28 | MoonEater | or sexy strippers |
| 04:48.54 | MoonEater | ~8ball will blizzard ever allow me to make strippers in a game |
| 04:48.55 | purl | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 04:50.00 | Obscene | There is already a stripper pre-built in the game mooneater |
| 04:50.09 | Obscene | not even kidding |
| 04:50.11 | Obscene | its a doodad |
| 04:50.14 | Obscene | The Holostripper |
| 04:50.16 | MoonEater | im talking strait hardcore |
| 04:50.18 | MoonEater | (goes look) |
| 04:50.25 | Obscene | strippers are not hard core... |
| 04:50.30 | Obscene | they just take their cloths off |
| 04:50.35 | MoonEater | really |
| 04:50.44 | MoonEater | u never droped a stripper a 300$ bill ahve u? |
| 04:50.58 | Obscene | No, I am smart enough to break my money into 1s |
| 04:51.00 | Obscene | haha |
| 04:51.33 | MoonEater | 'haha |
| 04:51.45 | Obscene | JademusSreg, a very interesting weapon is the Dagger of time from the prince of persia, It slows time, Rewinds time, speeds it up, and does a few other things as well. |
| 04:52.04 | MoonEater | you may be able to minic that |
| 04:52.09 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 04:52.15 | MoonEater | would take huge amounts of varables array |
| 04:52.34 | Obscene | http://princeofpersia.wikia.com/wiki/Dagger_of_Time |
| 04:53.05 | JademusSreg | It would break multiplayer balance as is, but perhaps one power could be salvaged. |
| 04:54.04 | Obscene | It has a LOT of powers |
| 04:54.04 | Obscene | http://princeofpersia.wikia.com/wiki/Time_Powers |
| 04:54.06 | Obscene | lol |
| 04:55.59 | MoonEater | could find the holostripper |
| 04:56.28 | Obscene | its a nightelf. |
| 04:56.37 | Obscene | And its a green hologram |
| 04:57.09 | Obscene | actually theres a red on etoo |
| 04:57.09 | Obscene | http://i.imgur.com/uGwK0T9.gif |
| 04:57.44 | JademusSreg | So, Zurvan is the name an antagonist in PoP, and is the name of the zerg boss in HotS. =\ |
| 04:58.08 | Obscene | lol |
| 04:58.18 | Obscene | Blizzard is known to give massive amounts of nods to other games |
| 04:58.28 | Obscene | LoTV is likely to have a character named Trevor.... |
| 04:58.32 | Obscene | just as a nod to GTA V |
| 04:59.18 | Obscene | then again zurvan is also an old persian god... |
| 04:59.20 | Obscene | lol |
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| 05:28.59 | Wrath | JademusSreg, you there? |
| 05:43.09 | Kueken | Obscene: banned again? |
| 05:43.22 | Obscene | ? |
| 05:43.41 | Obscene | no |
| 05:44.38 | Kueken | http://www.sc2mapster.com/profiles/ObsceneCereal/ |
| 05:44.47 | Kueken | thought you might be this guy |
| 05:45.00 | Kueken | nvm then |
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| 07:09.21 | JademusSreg | Prep School Uniform: Reverse time path up to n seconds. "Wearing it makes you wish that you could retrace your steps and make different choices." |
| 07:21.18 | JademusSreg | Legionnaire's Lost Timepiece: Target a location, then move through time-space until you reach the target. While in time-space, your future-self is vulnerable at the target location. "The pocket watch's hands move diligently around the clockface, but it's stopped ticking." |
| 07:24.01 | ArcanePariah | The 2nd one is interesting, because it has been done before, the Chrono Troopers of RA2 |
| 07:24.25 | JademusSreg | Dingding. |
| 07:24.27 | JademusSreg | Correct. |
| 07:24.48 | ArcanePariah | 1st one is Weaver from DotA ultimate, Time Lapse |
| 07:25.00 | JademusSreg | Nope. Braid. |
| 07:25.14 | JademusSreg | But a fair guess. |
| 07:25.15 | ArcanePariah | In her case, tosses her back 4 seconds in game time, reset mana/HP/CD/Position to 4 secodns ago |
| 07:25.49 | JademusSreg | Now if she too wore a prep school uniform, that would be an honest mistake. |
| 07:26.10 | ArcanePariah | Oh, I thought this was proposed abilites, not guess the ability charades |
| 07:26.18 | JademusSreg | Haha, both. |
| 07:26.23 | JademusSreg | Did you read the doc? |
| 07:26.48 | ArcanePariah | I skimmed it, but been busy today, also it has been stupid hot (100+ today :( |
| 07:27.19 | JademusSreg | Yes. Even here is Mountainessee. |
| 07:28.36 | ArcanePariah | One mechanic I wanted to ask about was Tension, it seems to heavily favor glass cannon play |
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| 07:29.29 | ArcanePariah | Hey duckies |
| 07:29.32 | JademusSreg | Perhaps. Considered cutting the passive bonus to Skill gain, but I think that will bear out in prototype testing. |
| 07:29.39 | duckies | hey pariah |
| 07:31.09 | JademusSreg | I'll keep that in mind, though. Hadn't considered that people might go suicidal, holding-the-grenade-in-counterstrike straight into doom. |
| 07:31.31 | ArcanePariah | As for the Drama, it is intersting, because although it can be useful for anti snowballing, it can not be too powerful, otherwise you could have teams purposefully trail the game, and then captialize on multiple event for an all in style victory |
| 07:31.47 | JademusSreg | Yeah, the point is that it's preventable. |
| 07:31.59 | ArcanePariah | True, but if a team plays turtle, it may not |
| 07:32.09 | ArcanePariah | Turtle to multi Drama victory |
| 07:32.10 | JademusSreg | Explain? |
| 07:32.14 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 07:32.34 | JademusSreg | Dramatic agents only appear in areas that have suffered loss of assets. |
| 07:32.41 | JademusSreg | So they are inherently vulnerable. |
| 07:32.50 | ArcanePariah | Which in of itself may not be a bad thing, it adds an element of strategy. |
| 07:33.05 | ArcanePariah | True, but what if the team purposefully choses a team comp that is turtle like? |
| 07:33.13 | ArcanePariah | ANd thus is good at positioning control |
| 07:33.51 | JademusSreg | Well, movement is a significant factor in the design, so I'm not concerned so much about impenetrable formations. |
| 07:33.51 | ArcanePariah | The sucidial thing I thought of because D3 early on had a similar issue with Force Armor |
| 07:34.12 | ArcanePariah | Original Force armor capped damaged dealt to a Wizard to 35% of their max HP |
| 07:34.22 | JademusSreg | Hell, most of the items I've outlined so far are movement-oriented. |
| 07:34.29 | ArcanePariah | so by running ultra low hp and massive hp regen, they were invulnerable |
| 07:34.40 | JademusSreg | Yes, I remember that, haha. |
| 07:34.56 | JademusSreg | I didn't play the class, but a friend did. It was absurd. |
| 07:35.12 | ArcanePariah | Mmhmm |
| 07:35.38 | JademusSreg | One moment while I fill in some of the item details in the doc. |
| 07:35.55 | ArcanePariah | As for the items design, although it is good to not be stat sticks, it does remove an element of complexity because inherantly certain actives will be better then others, depending on metagame |
| 07:36.35 | ArcanePariah | DotA I feel acheives a decent balance of the 2, some items are mostly stat sticks but are powerful, others are not but their actives are powerful |
| 07:37.49 | ArcanePariah | It would be more complicated to balance only purely active items. If we for a moment, removed all stat stick like items from dota, I could tell you precisiely which 2 items would be the most powerful in the game |
| 07:38.05 | ArcanePariah | Namely Sheepstick and BKVB |
| 07:38.06 | ArcanePariah | BKB* |
| 07:38.48 | ArcanePariah | Mind you, my argument is flawed because A) Actives inherantly are more powerful then passives and B) Those items arguable already are the 2 most powerful |
| 07:40.47 | ArcanePariah | One thing I have noticed about DotA vs LoL item design is that by making things more streamlined, it make them easier to use and learn, but also makes the determination on items very very simple. In dota, every item has exceptions, whereas from what I understand of LoL, they do not (Like in DotA, BKB gives magic immunity, but it does not block a number of spells, 1 or 2 items and all |
| 07:40.47 | ArcanePariah | ultimates can target but just do no damage) |
| 07:41.13 | ArcanePariah | But on the other hand, such excpetions become a every larger learning curve/cliff |
| 07:41.27 | JademusSreg | And back. |
| 07:42.07 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 07:42.40 | JademusSreg | I like your observation concerning exceptions. I may be able to integrate that into designs for less awesome items. |
| 07:42.48 | JademusSreg | I should clarify. |
| 07:44.25 | ArcanePariah | Having exceptions has the effect of increasing the learning curve, however it gives you greater flexibility to balance the game |
| 07:46.03 | JademusSreg | Each item of the category "awesome" should offer unique mechanics, those mechanics that when you experience you feel it, you enjoy it so much that part of you demands more of it, more of it in more games. Movement is the most significant mechanic, such that Shigeru Miyamoto twisted and tweaked Mario's jump until it felt right, felt good. |
| 07:46.46 | ArcanePariah | Which leads to one of the hardest aspects (IMO) of game design, how do you provide a uniform game experience that is both skill intensive, subject to creativity and experimentation, while still being easy to learn and not have numerous noob traps (Defined as knowledge that is little tidbits that majorly affect how the game is played and leads to early frustration, often counterintutive |
| 07:46.46 | ArcanePariah | things) |
| 07:47.28 | JademusSreg | Well, if I could answer the question in one sentence, I would. |
| 07:47.58 | JademusSreg | I could answer with far more than one sentence, but then that would cut into my work-time. |
| 07:49.16 | ArcanePariah | Movement must be handled with great care, DotA has received numerouse changes recently (last 6 months) that enhance movement and it has led to very fast paced gameplay, that does not promote as much tactical play since the game moves so fast, people often do not have a chance to react, ie the Deathball meta. SC2 from many accounts suffers a similar issue, the DPS is so high that micro is |
| 07:49.16 | ArcanePariah | often impossible, since everything dies in 3 seconds or less |
| 07:50.06 | JademusSreg | But I would say that one should approach discussion of new designs with curiosity and an attempt to resolve any ambiguity first, make sure the components are there and fit together first. Only once that is done can one address the potential consequences of the interaction of the mechanical systems. |
| 07:50.32 | ArcanePariah | Hmm, agreed, good point |
| 07:53.11 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, with less theoretical foundation laying, that it would be terribly annoying to explain and defend my design choices and the consequences thereof if criticism preceeds understanding. =D |
| 07:58.57 | JademusSreg | As for the general question of balance, I start with time. If a game is intended to last, say, 10 minutes, that value then informs the parameters of the entire system, their formulae, factors, constants. |
| 08:00.41 | JademusSreg | Then the rest of the design is an attempt to facilitate hitting that goal, structuring the system so that playing well, having an optimal experience, and achieving the time goal are convergent. |
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| 08:03.38 | JademusSreg | The experience of "flow" or "in the zone", engaged, performing optimally, stimulated neocortex and relaxed amygdala, zen-like in activity, is as much reliant on the player as it is on the rhythm, the pacing of the gameplay sequences and their underlying mechanics. |
| 08:07.05 | JademusSreg | So I start from time, design the available options such that spenders and generators and critical hits and tension and break and dynamic positioning all flows, never should a player be stuck, only challenged, never left without options. |
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| 08:14.52 | JademusSreg | Ţepeş™ Body Mist: Transform into mist and bypass obstacles for up to n seconds. "Fume with confidence and stimulate their senses with your flowing form. Ţepeş™ Body Mist: The Night Is Your Symphony." |
| 08:15.22 | JademusSreg | Reword needed. |
| 08:16.17 | JademusSreg | "Fume with confidence and stimulate their senses as you flow through them." |
| 08:18.40 | JademusSreg | And in case that sounds like an extreme caricature of shit, male-demographic advertising, I assure you it is not extreme or a caricature. http://www.theaxeeffect.com/ |
| 08:40.07 | JademusSreg | Alright. Time for meditative rest. |
| 08:40.09 | JademusSreg | bbl |
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| 10:11.34 | G0A | hmm how do I get the experience level of a unit? (I can get experience by unit property) |
| 10:23.54 | Kueken | well, you can set experience, if you cannot set level specifically, calculate the needed experience instead |
| 10:28.02 | G0A | yeah |
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| 13:27.20 | zenxu | cofffeeeee ¨' |
| 13:27.36 | zenxu | medicine to turn zombie into human |
| 13:45.12 | zenxu | http://i.imgur.com/FY5Siuo.jpg |
| 13:45.16 | zenxu | aww cats are so funny |
| 13:51.17 | duckies | friiiday! |
| 13:52.46 | duckies | I got a bunch of awesome ideas for items that I want to make but instead I'll go home and prepare for mapnight. For some reason I always restore my enthusiasm about mappingg when I need to do something else >.> |
| 13:53.12 | duckies | It's the curse of being a duck I guess |
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| 14:11.54 | G0A | duckies my map wont be ready |
| 14:12.01 | G0A | too much things to do today.D |
| 14:13.54 | zenxu | HE IS NOT HERE |
| 14:30.26 | Vailreth | spinbrush |
| 14:31.17 | zenxu | dum dum dum |
| 14:31.22 | zenxu | flipped my images |
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| 14:48.22 | G0A | pff forget that duckies always leaves after typing something here |
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| 15:04.35 | zenxu | DUCKIES |
| 15:04.46 | zenxu | I |
| 15:04.48 | duckies | QUACK! |
| 15:04.56 | zenxu | will |
| 15:05.06 | zenxu | go out :( |
| 15:05.08 | zenxu | no maptnigh |
| 15:05.31 | Bommes | stop abusing your birdpowers to manipulate people, that's really unethical |
| 15:05.34 | Bommes | I can't support that |
| 15:05.48 | duckies | nooooo, don't go out, it's dangerous outside |
| 15:05.57 | duckies | they're watching you |
| 15:07.55 | zenxu | I know |
| 15:07.59 | zenxu | btw |
| 15:08.08 | zenxu | while you were away I was deaming of making a TD |
| 15:08.20 | zenxu | someday I must make one |
| 15:08.51 | duckies | someday, sometime, I belive |
| 15:09.35 | duckies | G0A, mn in 3h? |
| 15:13.21 | duckies | btw, that reminds me, bommes, how's mechcraft? |
| 15:13.39 | zenxu | im interested too |
| 15:13.42 | zenxu | so make it quick |
| 15:13.44 | Bommes | under construction |
| 15:13.48 | zenxu | need to go in 10 |
| 15:13.52 | Bommes | to be honest have only started doing stuff again 2 days ago |
| 15:13.57 | Bommes | or 3 days |
| 15:14.21 | Bommes | haven't touched in in a while because of things like life and too much dota |
| 15:14.35 | Bommes | but semester is over now and I have a lot of time :) |
| 15:14.46 | Bommes | so I hope I can finish something playable until October |
| 15:15.08 | duckies | heeh, I can relate to not mapping for a long periods of time :D |
| 15:15.40 | duckies | yay, I'll be loking forward to playing it in october 2014 :D |
| 15:15.47 | Bommes | I would like to make an Interface for it though and I don't know how much time it will take until I figure that whole stuff out |
| 15:16.00 | Bommes | yeah I'm aiming for the year after LotV release |
| 15:16.01 | Bommes | in 2015 |
| 15:16.03 | Bommes | October |
| 15:16.29 | duckies | ah, silly me :3 |
| 15:16.37 | zenxu | DOTA |
| 15:16.46 | zenxu | I guit dota thou |
| 15:16.50 | zenxu | it was fun for long time |
| 15:16.52 | Bommes | yeah me too |
| 15:16.56 | zenxu | but eventually every game gets boring |
| 15:17.10 | Bommes | I only play it now with 4 other ppl when we are a full team |
| 15:17.32 | Bommes | it's not that it got boring but it got pointless and Valve sucks too much so I had to quit |
| 15:17.47 | Bommes | there were 10 minute queues for a while and half the time someone lagged out before the game even started |
| 15:18.01 | Bommes | and then they put a muting system into place where you could mute other players if you reported them |
| 15:18.12 | Bommes | so half the time 5-8 out of 10 players were muted |
| 15:18.17 | Bommes | and you couldn't communicate at all |
| 15:18.26 | Bommes | dunno that whole game is a mess, gameplay is really good though :D |
| 15:18.42 | zenxu | 10 min que :O |
| 15:18.44 | Bommes | I hope Valve gets their shit together at some point though |
| 15:18.50 | zenxu | it goes 5 for me even on very high bracket |
| 15:19.05 | zenxu | I think they mute system is pretty cool |
| 15:19.13 | zenxu | allthough its stupid that it can stack for so long |
| 15:19.16 | G0A | duckies my map wont be ready :D |
| 15:19.28 | zenxu | 24h mute would be good or max 48 maybe |
| 15:19.28 | Bommes | seriously it was so bad, since the more you played the more likely it was that you get muted |
| 15:19.37 | zenxu | y |
| 15:19.45 | Bommes | so if you play in the first few pages of matchmaking you get a lot of people who play all day long |
| 15:19.45 | zenxu | it certainly goes like that |
| 15:19.47 | Bommes | and they are all muted |
| 15:20.09 | Bommes | even half the pro gamers were muted in matchmaking during that time |
| 15:20.10 | zenxu | I wanted to make high level FIN party |
| 15:20.14 | Bommes | it was really pointless |
| 15:20.24 | zenxu | but couldnt really get good enough players |
| 15:20.34 | Bommes | there are some really good fin players who regularly play matchmaking |
| 15:20.38 | zenxu | I tried team games just to be frustrated |
| 15:20.40 | Bommes | Tompson etc |
| 15:20.47 | Bommes | suuklamauka or whatever he's called |
| 15:20.59 | Bommes | and some others that I can't remember the names of |
| 15:21.00 | zenxu | Iv played with mouz.synderend and some VP player on solo que |
| 15:21.08 | zenxu | its not like they can carry alone |
| 15:21.11 | zenxu | but was still cool |
| 15:21.19 | Bommes | Synderen is really not that good though |
| 15:21.26 | Bommes | he's a great captain and knows a lot strategically |
| 15:21.35 | zenxu | well its a teamgame |
| 15:21.43 | Bommes | do you know that puppey singsing sheever ravage video? :D |
| 15:21.51 | zenxu | I doubt even dendi could own so much against solid high level mid player |
| 15:21.54 | zenxu | to carry the game |
| 15:22.09 | zenxu | Iv seen how sheever missed it |
| 15:22.13 | zenxu | the ravage |
| 15:22.14 | zenxu | funny |
| 15:22.20 | Bommes | I was actually in that game |
| 15:22.27 | zenxu | http://pubstats.me/76561197986865195 |
| 15:22.30 | zenxu | my stats |
| 15:22.32 | zenxu | oh cool :D |
| 15:22.50 | Bommes | haha I love how you basically play Very High all the time |
| 15:23.11 | Bommes | but then you get so much normal percentage because of playing with low level teammates or because you used to get "Normal" after you abandon a game |
| 15:23.31 | zenxu | even on very high people are still quite bad sometimes |
| 15:23.41 | Bommes | they should really introduce a rating in my opinion |
| 15:23.47 | Bommes | yeah they are |
| 15:23.52 | Bommes | well I am too, so I'm not going to complain :D |
| 15:24.38 | Bommes | and btw holy crap your steam id is loooong |
| 15:24.50 | Bommes | why does it have so many digits? |
| 15:25.08 | zenxu | who knows. maybe its like my dota2 networth number |
| 15:25.34 | Bommes | ah nvm |
| 15:25.37 | Bommes | your steam id is fine |
| 15:25.39 | Bommes | just the link is so long |
| 15:25.45 | Bommes | dunno why though |
| 15:26.14 | zenxu | It sure would be nice to get leagus or something |
| 15:26.20 | zenxu | I was even thinking of making a guild |
| 15:26.23 | zenxu | but |
| 15:26.26 | zenxu | too much work |
| 15:26.34 | zenxu | to check stats for "hivh level player" |
| 15:26.42 | zenxu | would be nice to have a high level player guild |
| 15:26.44 | Bommes | http://pubstats.me/11274716 |
| 15:26.47 | Bommes | is mine |
| 15:27.05 | Bommes | yeah I just want a rating so it's easier to find other players on about my skill level |
| 15:27.18 | Bommes | right now matchmaking is pretty pointless, even if you like competing or would like to find a team |
| 15:27.39 | zenxu | yea |
| 15:27.47 | Bommes | you never know how good the people you meet actually are, and I don't want to waste my time playing with random guys and hoping they are any good |
| 15:27.51 | zenxu | just implementing something like wc3 tournaments would be awesome |
| 15:27.55 | zenxu | allthou the matches might take too long |
| 15:28.17 | zenxu | I actually have noticed its better to leave if people just pick super badly |
| 15:28.28 | zenxu | its 99% frustration and 99% loss |
| 15:28.32 | zenxu | if its bad picks |
| 15:28.54 | zenxu | thats how you can tell if people are good or not imo |
| 15:29.06 | zenxu | atlkeast to some degree |
| 15:29.09 | Bommes | I think often you can compensate bad picks if you lane it with a bit of creativity |
| 15:29.21 | Bommes | but as soon as my teammates lane like shit I lose all the motivation too :D |
| 15:29.39 | zenxu | if its like AM, SPECTRE, SVEN or something like that |
| 15:29.45 | zenxu | its practically impossible to win lanes at all |
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| 15:35.38 | Renee | Hello~ |
| 15:35.58 | Dustin|Home | Hi Renee |
| 15:36.46 | Bommes | hi :) |
| 15:37.18 | zenxu | just posted |
| 15:37.25 | zenxu | you chinaman go answer my post |
| 15:37.27 | zenxu | gotta go now |
| 15:37.29 | zenxu | bb |
| 15:39.27 | Beo-Ralf | Hmm |
| 15:39.39 | Beo-Ralf | does anyone know how to change the radius of creep growth on a creep tumour? |
| 15:39.52 | Beo-Ralf | Or rather, duplicate a tumour and create a new one with a smaller radius |
| 15:40.04 | Beo-Ralf | Because I've duplicated the unit and what it does now is not generate creep at all. |
| 15:40.14 | Renee | You just need to modify its creep behavior |
| 15:41.28 | Beo-Ralf | Yeah, but when I modify the creep footprint it basically grows no creep |
| 15:45.08 | Beo-Ralf | Basically, i duplicated the creep growth footprint, but as soon as I let the behaviour use the duplicate it doesn't generate creep at all |
| 15:45.14 | Beo-Ralf | even if it's identical to the original in every way |
| 15:55.56 | Beo-Ralf | Kueken, you woul;dn't happen to know this would you? |
| 16:03.08 | Bommes | Beo-Ralf, you have to change the Footprint |
| 16:03.25 | Bommes | what did you change that it doesn't generate creep at all? |
| 16:03.32 | Beo-Ralf | That's the point, if I change the footprint it works, but if I duplicate the footprint and select it it doesn't work. |
| 16:03.46 | Beo-Ralf | I duplicated the footprint verbatim and then selected it in the behaviour |
| 16:03.58 | Bommes | Ah, dunno then, I just changed it |
| 16:04.34 | Bommes | did you select it for the correct fields in the behavior? |
| 16:05.52 | Bommes | Have you added the behavior to the duplicated Tumor? |
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| 16:22.37 | duckies | can anyone drop me an example of how to resize images in text? |
| 16:27.00 | Dustin|Home | duckies |
| 16:27.04 | duckies | yes! |
| 16:27.04 | Dustin|Home | add some tags to it |
| 16:27.22 | duckies | what are the names of those tags? |
| 16:27.30 | duckies | width/height? |
| 16:27.32 | Dustin|Home | <img width='23' height='22' src='dsvbfs'> |
| 16:27.33 | Dustin|Home | ya |
| 16:27.40 | Dustin|Home | I think that's the syntax |
| 16:29.23 | duckies | aah, at first I inserted those tags before "img" :D thanks dustin |
| 16:29.39 | Dustin|Home | np :D |
| 16:31.39 | duckies | I guess there is no way to specify some offset to the image, is there? |
| 16:32.00 | Dustin|Home | I don't think so |
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| 16:44.40 | G0A | duckies my map wont be ready:D |
| 16:45.03 | duckies | damn, what we'll be playing then? :D |
| 16:45.24 | duckies | let's do 3h of non-stop sliding and bombing :D |
| 16:47.40 | duckies | hehehe, good timefix g0a :D |
| 16:47.41 | G0A | okey |
| 16:51.09 | duckies | or we could check out maps from newest list. I think there were some that caught my attention |
| 16:51.24 | G0A | this looks funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAopGJamyig |
| 16:51.25 | duckies | that is, if nobody comes with his own map |
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| 16:52.05 | duckies | you're right, that does look funny =D |
| 16:59.05 | Fate_ | what u talking about? |
| 16:59.27 | Fate_ | mapnight ? |
| 17:00.32 | G0A | yes |
| 17:00.46 | Fate_ | when does it start? |
| 17:00.52 | Fate_ | and where? |
| 17:02.26 | G0A | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/57126-map-night-revived/?page=2#p24 |
| 17:03.09 | duckies | it starts 57 minutes from now on |
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| 17:50.18 | ArcanePariah | So... which server we doing map night on and what channel should I be joining? |
| 17:51.38 | Fate_ | mapster says its EU |
| 17:51.44 | ArcanePariah | kk |
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| 18:38.17 | duckies | dogmai |
| 18:38.23 | Dogmai | yes |
| 18:38.31 | duckies | next map is bomberman, gonna skip that or..? |
| 18:38.58 | Dustin|Home | Mapnght?! |
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| 18:39.06 | Dustin|Home | Hmm |
| 18:39.08 | ArcanePariah | Yes, EU, now |
| 18:39.50 | duckies | dustin, wanna come? |
| 18:40.27 | Dustin|Home | Eh, I should probably finish this work instead :( |
| 18:40.29 | Necromoni | :o |
| 18:40.35 | duckies | ok, we're starting then |
| 18:41.12 | G0A | alt tab:D |
| 18:41.18 | duckies | aye aye |
| 18:41.23 | duckies | hm |
| 18:41.28 | duckies | the usual setup? |
| 18:43.31 | Dogmai | its funny |
| 18:43.43 | Dogmai | even at two days old, the ducklings have such different personalities |
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| 19:06.50 | duckies | hey fate_ |
| 19:06.53 | duckies | did it crash? |
| 19:06.59 | G0A | F u Fate:D |
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| 19:46.27 | twodie | So what up with map night? |
| 19:50.27 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
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| 20:14.58 | Necromoni | woops |
| 20:16.18 | duckies | hey fate_ |
| 20:16.28 | duckies | what happened there? |
| 20:16.29 | Fate_ | hm? |
| 20:16.38 | Fate_ | my system craSHD |
| 20:16.39 | duckies | did bomber crash? :/ |
| 20:16.50 | duckies | your pc or just sc? |
| 20:16.56 | Fate_ | pc |
| 20:17.02 | duckies | ah |
| 20:25.54 | duckies | fate_ |
| 20:26.02 | duckies | wanna rejoin mapnight? :D |
| 20:26.02 | Fate_ | hm? |
| 20:26.14 | Fate_ | what maps next? |
| 20:26.27 | duckies | I have no idea, it's been all talk for past 10 min |
| 20:26.37 | ArcanePariah | Mmhmm |
| 20:26.37 | duckies | we need you to come in and slap everybody |
| 20:26.46 | Fate_ | XD |
| 20:26.48 | ArcanePariah | Duckies, your thoughts on NotD/ |
| 20:26.49 | ArcanePariah | ? |
| 20:27.44 | Fate_ | ok i come again |
| 20:29.40 | duckies | arcanepariah it's very fast paced and lengthy, it's pretty dark everywhere so after a while I enterd zombie mode. didn't help that I knew that we're being carried so I didn't pay much attention to anything and just went full autopilot |
| 20:30.40 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... kk, yeah, that's been a long issue, that a hardcore vet can easily carry a pub, using their longterm bonuses and randoming out of story classes that are very OP in Easy Company |
| 20:32.32 | G0A | duckies same here |
| 20:32.33 | ArcanePariah | But yeah, necro has a good point, people looking for variable endings won't like NotD much |
| 20:37.17 | G0A | windows loading screen:D |
| 20:39.27 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zolden (d55788b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.87.136.183) |
| 20:39.59 | Zolden | so, how many people visited map night? |
| 20:40.50 | Zolden | 4? |
| 20:41.00 | Zolden | twodie, goa, duckies and fate |
| 20:41.07 | Zolden | yea, it's map night |
| 20:41.47 | Zolden | Fate_: I answered you about the falg |
| 20:41.55 | Fate_ | ahh |
| 20:41.57 | Fate_ | nice |
| 20:42.37 | Zolden | hope u'll be ok about its medieval looking |
| 20:43.24 | twodie | no, i was outside drinking and doing shit as every friday evening.. |
| 20:43.27 | twodie | good night |
| 20:44.19 | Zolden | also, try to search, otixa uploaded a hi-tech falg long time ago |
| 20:44.21 | Zolden | maybe in assets |
| 20:45.08 | Fate_ | ah okey |
| 20:45.17 | Fate_ | ill cheak this then |
| 20:46.45 | ArcanePariah | We have/had about 6-10 ppl for map night |
| 20:51.04 | Zolden | amazing |
| 20:52.27 | Zolden | one day map nights will become more popular event than even olympic games |
| 20:52.50 | G0A | Zolden join or prepare to be destroyed! |
| 20:55.02 | Fate_ | Zolden can u link that high tech flag? |
| 20:56.58 | Zolden | G0A: i'm away, sry |
| 20:57.25 | Zolden | Fate_: i don't rememebr where it was, and can't search: slow connection |
| 20:57.44 | Fate_ | key |
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| 22:10.27 | Bounty | Is there anyway to create a portrait without that little video transmission crap appearing |
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| 23:26.00 | Repo | New announcement: Art Tools now in Public Beta! - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/art-tools-now-in-public-beta/ |
