| 00:08.49 | JademusSreg | Time to massage my think-meat, brb++ |
| 00:11.58 | Obscene | yeah just picture that everyone... jademus and his think-meat... massaging away.... |
| 00:20.58 | DeadZergling | thought he said his thick meat at first, not that think is very much better |
| 00:24.16 | Obscene | hes thinking of you as he massages deadzergling |
| 00:24.28 | Obscene | back... and forth... back.... and forth |
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| 00:30.03 | Fate_ | http://abload.de/img/screenshot2013-08-29021u3i.jpg |
| 00:30.25 | Obscene | you testing fate? |
| 00:30.40 | Fate_ | not now |
| 00:31.03 | Fate_ | i ithink it had that lobby open for over one hour |
| 00:31.28 | Fate_ | i just wonder if i do sth wrong |
| 00:31.28 | ArcanePariah | Jade, my other question that I never got around to was how to configure the UI to use the colors of custom races. The UI editor has in many places a placeholder for referencing textures/colors, that make it race specific. I'm wondering what values need to be changed in the Race data object to bring about those changes in the game UI |
| 00:33.09 | Obscene | I know what you did wrong |
| 00:33.14 | Obscene | You tried playing a game on EU :P |
| 00:33.24 | Fate_ | it was NA |
| 00:33.30 | Obscene | really? |
| 00:33.31 | Obscene | huh |
| 00:33.35 | Obscene | i dunno then |
| 00:35.05 | Fate_ | u know the irony is: on NA my map has 55 ratings, on EU 124 |
| 00:42.39 | Obscene | wow.. |
| 00:42.44 | Obscene | I might have to change my stance -_- |
| 00:42.51 | Obscene | is NA the only server thats even still partially alive? |
| 00:43.10 | Obscene | EU is all but gone, Southeast asia is a ghost town, and I cant even log on the korean one :/ |
| 00:43.17 | Obscene | It wont make it another two years if its really this bad already |
| 00:46.50 | Fate_ | its just depressing |
| 00:47.17 | Obscene | yeah... |
| 00:47.21 | Obscene | I thought NA was bad.. |
| 00:47.24 | Obscene | yeash.. |
| 00:48.01 | Obscene | this game is as dead as sc1 was after 7 years |
| 00:48.16 | Obscene | theres still SOME stuff... but dammit... |
| 00:51.46 | ArcanePariah | I'm just curious, not trying to be sarcastic, but how does one define a scene as dead or alive? |
| 00:52.22 | Fate_ | its not dead its just sleeping |
| 00:52.35 | Fate_ | but its so hard to make it wake up |
| 00:53.39 | Obscene | Arcane I just went to every region.... and TOTAL open games is lest then 40. |
| 00:53.43 | Obscene | for arcade |
| 00:53.58 | Obscene | I dunno how the ladder is doin g, but in 2 of the regions none of hte public channels had a single person in them |
| 00:54.08 | Obscene | to me, that says dead |
| 00:54.09 | Obscene | :P |
| 00:54.39 | Obscene | ieither asians HATE arcade/chat channels, or they all quit starcraft |
| 00:54.46 | Fate_ | ppl dont use the oficical channels |
| 00:55.27 | Obscene | That was another thing, the Featured groups... were not even like group groups like they are on the NA and EU, they were random groups.... |
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| 01:50.40 | ElectricPrism | Can you post messages to the alert area left of the chat? |
| 01:51.51 | Obscene | yes |
| 01:51.59 | Obscene | use the chat message action |
| 01:52.07 | Obscene | then set it to... i believe called alert, or err |
| 01:52.57 | Obscene | I dunno how well it will work but if it doesnt, then create a dummy alert, and then change its text catalog field and then create that alert as a work around |
| 01:53.55 | ElectricPrism | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.09 | ElectricPrism | I think I understand, thanks |
| 01:54.31 | ElectricPrism | create dummy alert - end `text catalog field` |
| 01:55.30 | Obscene | yeah pretty much you would create an alert in data, dont worry about any of the fields, then Change the text of that alert using catalogs in triggers, then run the alert |
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| 02:03.15 | MoonEater | damn |
| 02:08.16 | Obscene | ? |
| 02:09.20 | MoonEater | working on valkary |
| 02:09.23 | MoonEater | valkier |
| 02:09.29 | MoonEater | cant spell |
| 02:09.31 | MoonEater | today |
| 02:34.21 | Obscene | ya know I had a dream about the nintendo 2ds a few months ago, and I woke up thinking it was just too stupid to be true. |
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| 02:43.26 | MoonEater | Damn |
| 02:43.32 | MoonEater | anyone know about weapons? |
| 02:49.42 | Kueken | you would need to be slightly more specific |
| 02:50.59 | MoonEater | im on the sc1 remake team and im stuck wokring on a valkyrie, i think i might be able to do it myself |
| 02:51.05 | MoonEater | but im not sure about my abilities yeat |
| 02:51.16 | MoonEater | especialy since the valkyrie weapon is so weird |
| 02:51.30 | MoonEater | cause is 16 missles that shoots around the target unit |
| 02:52.59 | Kueken | I am familiar with the pattern |
| 02:55.16 | ElectricPrism | Can someone help me change the color of the protoss beacon from blue to white? |
| 02:55.19 | Kueken | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bEPHBq8OxY&t=28s |
| 02:55.37 | Kueken | that looks quite similar already, although the missiles were blue in BW |
| 02:56.08 | MoonEater | ok wtf |
| 02:56.11 | MoonEater | im jellous |
| 02:56.17 | MoonEater | thats wc3 isnt it? |
| 02:56.59 | MoonEater | where the fuck is this shit? |
| 02:57.36 | Kueken | the models are based on WC3 models, but thats a SC2 map |
| 02:58.08 | Kueken | or a mod rather |
| 02:58.59 | MoonEater | which mod? |
| 02:59.04 | MoonEater | not the sc1 remake mod? |
| 02:59.09 | MoonEater | somone else remaking sc1 also? |
| 03:00.13 | Kueken | the comments mention the mod is called SC2BW |
| 03:00.43 | MoonEater | .... |
| 03:00.46 | Kueken | also the video is almost 3 years old, so no idea if that project is still alive |
| 03:01.02 | MoonEater | well the project im on is nearing completyion |
| 03:01.30 | MoonEater | episode one is pratically done as soon as we tweek the sc1 mod, not sure why on on bw mod |
| 03:01.33 | MoonEater | but w/e |
| 03:01.39 | MoonEater | i just fixed reavers |
| 03:02.20 | MoonEater | and i added the original cheat codes |
| 03:02.34 | Kueken | I cannot imagine the valkyrie missiles being too hard, all you need is a persistent effect firing the missiles in a predetermined spread, and some matching mover to complement it |
| 03:02.59 | MoonEater | wait |
| 03:03.04 | MoonEater | predetermined spread? |
| 03:03.14 | MoonEater | i was going to make each missle fire with an offset? |
| 03:03.23 | Kueken | thats what I mean |
| 03:03.54 | Kueken | it i snot a random spread, it will always follow the same pattern |
| 03:04.02 | Kueken | aka predetermined |
| 03:04.35 | MoonEater | ya |
| 03:04.37 | MoonEater | thats why |
| 03:04.41 | Kueken | ElectricPrism: You want to retexture it? |
| 03:04.52 | MoonEater | oh |
| 03:04.54 | MoonEater | so |
| 03:05.04 | MoonEater | how would u do it |
| 03:05.10 | MoonEater | cause my way was really different |
| 03:05.29 | ElectricPrism | Kueken: I want to make the beacon white so I can apply various tins by trigger to make it red,blue.purple.orange, etc... |
| 03:05.37 | ElectricPrism | tints* |
| 03:05.41 | Kueken | a persistent launching a bunch of missiles on a set of offsets |
| 03:06.16 | MoonEater | how do i set the offsets? |
| 03:06.40 | Kueken | Periodic Offset field for the persistent |
| 03:08.41 | ElectricPrism | Kueken: Any ideas? I tried editing the M3 in Blender when changing the texture failed - ambient, eminent, main, etc... |
| 03:09.02 | Kueken | I would just texture swap it |
| 03:10.54 | ElectricPrism | Kueken: I tried that in the data using the TextureById tutorial - is that the correct way? |
| 03:11.20 | Kueken | thats how I would do it, yes |
| 03:11.25 | ElectricPrism | Afterwards I considered the blue on the Protoss Beacon might have been from ambient lighting but texture swapping that failed |
| 03:11.39 | ElectricPrism | :\ |
| 03:12.02 | Kueken | let me try |
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| 03:14.44 | MoonEater | Kueken |
| 03:14.53 | MoonEater | im looking at the peristent |
| 03:15.12 | MoonEater | oh i c |
| 03:18.47 | Kueken | ElectricPrism: http://i.imgur.com/9C8yzDc.jpg |
| 03:18.56 | Kueken | thats with just the diffuse swapped |
| 03:19.12 | Kueken | pretty sure the blue light is just another texture I can swap as well |
| 03:19.49 | Kueken | would that work for you? |
| 03:27.53 | MoonEater | Kueken |
| 03:28.01 | MoonEater | i need more smoke to the missile trail |
| 03:28.45 | Kueken | then try other missile models, attach smoke models or ask Zolden, if he can make you a nice missile |
| 03:29.45 | MoonEater | Kueken |
| 03:29.53 | MoonEater | i fire 2 missles at a time |
| 03:29.58 | MoonEater | but they r going to the same location |
| 03:30.03 | MoonEater | how do i split them? |
| 03:30.39 | Kueken | use 2 different offsets |
| 03:30.54 | MoonEater | i have more than one offset?? |
| 03:31.02 | Kueken | thats the plan |
| 03:31.05 | MoonEater | both missles go to the first one |
| 03:31.10 | MoonEater | then both go to the second one |
| 03:31.18 | MoonEater | i need them to take the first 2 then the second 2 |
| 03:31.21 | Kueken | do you execute a set from the persistent? |
| 03:31.37 | MoonEater | strait to launch missles |
| 03:31.45 | Kueken | post xml |
| 03:31.45 | MoonEater | well set do that? |
| 03:31.56 | MoonEater | i never understood what set does |
| 03:31.58 | Kueken | just the persistent |
| 03:32.13 | Kueken | nevermind the set |
| 03:32.22 | Kueken | you don't need one |
| 03:32.38 | Kueken | just post the xml of your persistent |
| 03:33.19 | ElectricPrism | Kueken: yeah that looks great, sorry for the delay |
| 03:33.23 | MoonEater | <CEffectCreatePersistent id="HaloRockets"> <EditorCategories value="Race:Terran"/> <WhichLocation Value="TargetUnit"/> <OffsetVectorEndLocation Value="TargetUnit"/> <PeriodCount value="8"/> <PeriodicEffectArray value="HALORockets2"/> <PeriodicEffectArray value="HALORockets2"/> <PeriodicOffsetArray value="1.5,0,0"/> <PeriodicOffsetArray value="0,0,0"/> <Period |
| 03:33.42 | Kueken | on pastebin or something please xD |
| 03:33.56 | Kueken | its cut off here anyway |
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| 03:33.59 | MoonEater | ur no fun |
| 03:34.22 | MoonEater | http://pastebin.com/QriwTyQH |
| 03:34.31 | MoonEater | i need to go pick up ms moon eater |
| 03:34.34 | MoonEater | im on mobile |
| 03:34.38 | MoonEater | slow responses |
| 03:34.49 | MoonEater | but im reading everything u write trust me |
| 03:35.02 | MoonEater | back in 20 min ishs |
| 03:36.15 | MoonEater|mobile | So... |
| 03:37.00 | Kueken | offsets look correct, but the 2 effects are the same |
| 03:37.50 | Kueken | ElectricPrism: https://www.dropbox.com/s/f4b542de6e6s0l1/Beacon.SC2Map |
| 03:38.04 | Kueken | if you need further explanations, notify me |
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| 03:38.49 | MoonEater|mobile | Lol |
| 03:38.55 | MoonEater|mobile | Rain |
| 03:39.03 | Kueken | (05:37:01) Kueken: offsets look correct, but the 2 effects are the same |
| 03:39.25 | MoonEater|mobile | They r |
| 03:39.36 | Kueken | okay, so that is supposed to be that way |
| 03:39.39 | MoonEater|mobile | Do they need to be different? |
| 03:39.56 | Kueken | in this case, you don't need to add both, just adding one should suffice |
| 03:40.22 | MoonEater|mobile | How do I fire 2 |
| 03:40.31 | Kueken | by using a 0 period |
| 03:40.44 | MoonEater|mobile | Lol irc while driving |
| 03:40.50 | Kueken | add 2 values to periodic duration, 0 and 0.5 |
| 03:41.31 | MoonEater|mobile | But then how do I hit 16 points |
| 03:41.45 | Kueken | it will fire first missile on first offset, then wait 0 seconds and fire 2nd missile on 2nd offset, then wait 0.5 and fire 3rd on 3rd etc |
| 03:41.46 | ElectricPrism | Kueken: Oh cool, I was just making a big screenshot to show you what i did http://xianlabs.org/Beacon.jpg |
| 03:41.52 | ElectricPrism | Kueken: I'll download, thank you |
| 03:42.29 | Kueken | if you want to hit 16 points, you need to set period count to 16 |
| 03:43.00 | Kueken | and add 16 offsets (unless they can repeat) |
| 03:44.07 | Kueken | basically it will execute all effects in order on all offsets in order after all periods in order, until it reached the count, and if it reaches the end of any list, that list starts at the beginning again |
| 03:44.17 | MoonEater|mobile | Were is zolden I really do need him |
| 03:44.24 | Kueken | :p |
| 03:44.31 | MoonEater|mobile | I'll try it when I'm home |
| 03:44.43 | MoonEater|mobile | But these models need more |
| 03:46.51 | Kueken | the graphics in SC1 are not related to the damage btw, the missiles will always cause damage in a 3x3 square around the target unit |
| 03:46.59 | Kueken | afaik |
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| 04:03.49 | MoonEater | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.00 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 04:07.48 | JademusSreg | Arc, the color shit is interesting in its own right. You've probably noticed that strings have various preceeding chars, like ##. |
| 04:11.07 | MoonEater | JademusSreg |
| 04:11.17 | MoonEater | whats the command in cutscene to see all the attach points? |
| 04:12.50 | JademusSreg | StandardButtonBorder is a Constant in the layouts (they can be arbitrarily defined, iirc), and it's used in the form "##StandardButtonBorder". Following that Constant element, there are variants with appended race tokens (Prot,Terr,Zerg, with underscore). And there are other tokens besides race, so one ought to be able to color by region and expansion, too. |
| 04:13.08 | MoonEater | u talking to me? |
| 04:13.13 | JademusSreg | Moon, Render options. |
| 04:13.27 | JademusSreg | And no, the chunk of text was for ArcanePariah. |
| 04:18.18 | MoonEater | jade |
| 04:18.57 | MoonEater | to confirm, Launch site ops + on attack actor sets were the missiles will shoot from right? |
| 04:19.08 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 04:19.10 | ElectricPrism | Kueken: It worked perfectly thanks :) |
| 04:19.20 | MoonEater | ok |
| 04:19.22 | JademusSreg | They are siteops applied to the LaunchSite. |
| 04:19.33 | Kueken | good |
| 04:22.00 | MoonEater | so which field am i thionking of? |
| 04:22.32 | JademusSreg | Probably the field with the value GenericLaunchSite or similar. |
| 04:24.34 | Kueken | my guess would be that Launch Site Ops ist just the field you need |
| 04:25.30 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 04:27.04 | JademusSreg | It's launched from the launch site. The launch site ops operate on the launch site to adjust its position, such as by attaching it to a weapon attachment point. |
| 04:28.35 | JademusSreg | Usually, you won't need to mess with the action's launch site, as most things you'd want to do are handled with site ops. |
| 04:30.35 | JademusSreg | So your -intent- was correct ("Launch site ops + on attack actor sets were the missiles will shoot from right?") in that you wanted to define from where the missiles appear to launch, and the launch site ops are used for that purpose. =D |
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| 04:41.50 | ElectricPrism | How do I edit the help page on a map? do I do it by trigger |
| 04:42.03 | Necromoni | ? |
| 04:42.13 | Necromoni | help page on the map? |
| 04:42.14 | ElectricPrism | F12 help screen |
| 04:42.30 | Necromoni | the tips? |
| 04:42.41 | ElectricPrism | i think so |
| 04:42.55 | Necromoni | if it's the tips then ya |
| 04:43.09 | ElectricPrism | ok triggers it is |
| 04:43.16 | ElectricPrism | can i delete the existing tips via trigger? |
| 04:43.26 | Necromoni | existing tips? |
| 04:43.47 | Necromoni | are u talking about the tech tree and w.e |
| 04:43.56 | Necromoni | or tips like from campaign |
| 04:44.10 | JademusSreg | There's a Help API. |
| 04:44.58 | ElectricPrism | im making a screenshot |
| 04:45.08 | ElectricPrism | JamemusSreg: how do I use the help api? |
| 04:45.13 | ElectricPrism | is it under the menu somewhere |
| 04:45.44 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/nup7c |
| 04:46.24 | JademusSreg | I assume you use GUI, but don't worry. This should at least help you understand what is possible. |
| 04:46.40 | Dogmai | so |
| 04:46.43 | Dogmai | i got two ducklings out atm |
| 04:46.44 | JademusSreg | As for what the actions are in GUI, no idea. |
| 04:46.52 | Dogmai | another one is still in the incubator, as well as two eggs |
| 04:47.09 | Dogmai | so cute, made them a little warm light |
| 04:47.14 | Dogmai | they are sleeping ^_^ |
| 04:47.15 | ElectricPrism | JademusSreg: Thanks :) I'm not shy with code i'll gladly use it if its the only way |
| 04:47.17 | JademusSreg | Awesome. Would you describe them as adorable, delicious, or adorablicious? |
| 04:47.27 | Dogmai | -_- |
| 04:47.28 | Dogmai | Try it. |
| 04:47.43 | Dogmai | I think these ones I will keep as pets |
| 04:47.48 | ElectricPrism | Necromoni: xianlabs.org/help-screen.jpg |
| 04:47.52 | Dogmai | The other ones under the duck can be sold |
| 04:47.59 | ElectricPrism | Necromoni: http://xianlabs.org/help-screen.jpg |
| 04:48.00 | JademusSreg | ♥ |
| 04:48.13 | Necromoni | ah |
| 04:48.19 | Necromoni | THAT help screen |
| 04:48.24 | Necromoni | idk about that ;o |
| 04:48.41 | Necromoni | ik the tech trees are dealt with from data? |
| 04:49.17 | JademusSreg | Wasn't certain if they were intended for cutetastical cuddle-snuggling or if they were to be raised as food-critters. So I asked. =D |
| 04:49.49 | Dogmai | Eh... not sure yet |
| 04:50.01 | Dogmai | I would only want to keep a breeding pair |
| 04:50.13 | Dogmai | Because I want to get a few different breeds |
| 04:50.18 | Dogmai | And having too many ducks is not good |
| 04:50.34 | Dogmai | Buy my best mate wanted two ducks for his wife as pets |
| 04:50.41 | Dogmai | So I might give these two to them |
| 04:50.50 | Dogmai | Cause they are gonna be raised by me |
| 04:50.57 | Dogmai | And not by their mum |
| 04:55.44 | JademusSreg | ArcanePariah, here's the constants defined in standard data, and a few stats about how they (and external keys) are used: https://pastee.org/kz5ph |
| 04:55.45 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 05:04.18 | ElectricPrism | can i prevent players from selecting a color in the lobby? |
| 05:06.59 | Necromoni | ya |
| 05:29.42 | Necromoni | . |
| 05:33.04 | Obscene | The key to making an AMC smash hit tv series, is to make every character a despicable piece of garbage, except the antagonist. |
| 05:38.45 | JademusSreg | That's the most articulate sentence you've ever posted. |
| 05:42.46 | Obscene | :( |
| 05:44.09 | Obscene | Dogmai you ever get emailed back by blizz? |
| 05:44.32 | JademusSreg | I meant that in a good way. |
| 05:44.48 | JademusSreg | An observation approximating the sentiment of a compliment. |
| 05:45.09 | Obscene | ah |
| 05:45.22 | Obscene | My sarcasm detector must have had a false reading then |
| 05:46.06 | Obscene | Dogmai I need an opinion from someone whos... ehh.. familiar with my type of map in a way, what do you think of this for a new terrain? http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Terrain186_zpsed94cbd6.jpg?t=1377755102 |
| 05:46.27 | Dogmai | no |
| 05:46.31 | Obscene | :( |
| 05:46.57 | Dogmai | it looks like a three way moba |
| 05:47.02 | Obscene | :O |
| 05:47.27 | Obscene | its a tire! |
| 05:47.53 | Obscene | I was thinking of 1 of two things, 1. Have two versions of my map, or 2 convert it otally to circular |
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| 05:50.05 | JademusSreg | Sarcasm is frequently a shitty attempt to appear clever. Though it can be done artfully, for the most part it's uninspired, unimaginative "yeah, I -really- feel about this contrary to what my tone would suggest, -sure-". |
| 05:51.21 | Obscene | Well to be fair jademus, your not really artistic, as much as you are cold, and techinical, kinda like a machine |
| 05:51.41 | Obscene | the mapster Terminator perhaps? |
| 05:51.51 | JademusSreg | Haha, as though the two were mutually exclusive? |
| 05:51.56 | Obscene | lol |
| 05:52.07 | Obscene | Who are you? bicentennial man. |
| 05:52.29 | Obscene | do you just wanna be human? WELL YOU NEVER WILL BE!!! |
| 05:52.53 | Obscene | I haven't seen that movie in a while |
| 05:52.56 | Obscene | imma watch that tomorrow |
| 05:54.19 | Obscene | WOW, i didnt know that masterpiece got such bad ratings |
| 05:54.31 | Obscene | It has top notch acting, humor, and message -_- |
| 05:57.35 | Obscene | Well my faith in humanity dropped some more :/ |
| 05:58.33 | JademusSreg | Comically enough, I'm callous and technical on, say, irc or the forums, but less so in person, or even over skype calls. |
| 05:59.00 | Kueken | guess what |
| 05:59.04 | JademusSreg | People-as-text don't elicit much regard or interest. |
| 05:59.09 | Kueken | we didn't know that |
| 05:59.59 | ArcanePariah | Thanks Jade |
| 06:00.07 | ArcanePariah | for the constants |
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| 06:04.38 | JademusSreg | No problem, Arc. Added the counts as a way of introducing the purpose of those magic words, in case that would be relevant. |
| 06:07.15 | ArcanePariah | It appears that if you want to use a custom race and custom coloring as well, you would need to define quite few constants. But at least that is all you would have to do, since I'm assuming the syntax would take care of things (the appends) making it a fairly straightforward affair |
| 06:07.16 | JademusSreg | Kueken, understandable; I'm still as callous and technical in person, but my playful demeanor is more evident. |
| 06:07.33 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 06:08.41 | ArcanePariah | Ahh, now that I'm look at the race data again, it appears the appends just appends the Race Attribute ID |
| 06:09.37 | JademusSreg | You'd need to ensure the constants are declared where they could be reached, of course. Probably in an extension of GameUI, since the shared standard layouts like the where the bulk of constants has the DescLocked flag. |
| 06:09.46 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 06:09.57 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 06:23.21 | ArcanePariah | Ok, so a random bug that rarely crops up in my map, but occasionally I get a enemy unit that becomes stuck at 1 HP |
| 06:23.30 | ArcanePariah | And becomes unkillable |
| 06:24.24 | JademusSreg | Coool. |
| 06:26.26 | JademusSreg | Are enemy stats scaled via catalog or otherwise increased with behaviors? |
| 06:27.09 | JademusSreg | Also, do you have buffs with a damage response to prevent lethal? |
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| 06:41.10 | ArcanePariah | Enemies have their HP increased at the beginning of the game by changing the player handicap, there are no behavoiors present that would prevent lethal |
| 06:43.38 | G0A | duckies maping night at friday is ok? |
| 06:45.37 | duckies | is ok! |
| 06:46.16 | duckies | wanna post at thread and let others know? :D |
| 06:46.33 | ArcanePariah | How do mapping nights work? |
| 06:57.08 | duckies | you show up on friday evening in EU channel at approx 6-7 PM average european time and and play maps made by other mappers. Usually you give some feedback afterwards. Good for testing unfinished/prototype stuff |
| 06:58.23 | ArcanePariah | Àlrighty, I can do that probably. I'll probably throw up the NotD unstable version and run through it |
| 06:58.55 | ArcanePariah | What is the average European time right now? |
| 07:09.42 | JademusSreg | Time to recharge the flux capacitors. bbl |
| 07:12.25 | duckies | wel, right now it's 10Am here |
| 07:12.32 | duckies | I show up at ~7PM |
| 07:12.42 | duckies | so it's tomorrow +9h |
| 07:15.29 | G0A | do you want to post the thread? |
| 07:15.42 | G0A | Unity now has 2D support, hmmm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoZlMGU99qk |
| 07:18.30 | ElectricPrism | cool |
| 07:21.54 | ArcanePariah | Ok, yeah, I can make the mapping night |
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| 07:47.59 | duckies | I really want to be selfish and make you do it :D |
| 07:53.09 | G0A | **** you:D |
| 07:54.10 | G0A | gona make it in 1-2 hour |
| 07:55.07 | duckies | glad to hear that :3 |
| 08:22.56 | Kueken | oh duckies, I tested the redirect stuff |
| 08:23.06 | Kueken | apparently a missile can only be redirected once |
| 08:23.24 | Kueken | also redirect cannot change the target type from target point to target unit |
| 08:23.41 | G0A | I am making 14 million cookies per second:D |
| 08:23.43 | Kueken | so in the map, it impacts at the position of the unit when the redirect fires |
| 08:23.56 | Kueken | it doesn't follow the unit |
| 08:24.37 | Kueken | to enable this, you would probably need to spawn a dummy unit at the initial target point and fire the launch on it, so it is unit target from the start |
| 08:27.13 | duckies | I see, that's less exciting that it could be t_t |
| 08:28.12 | duckies | but thanks, I guess triggers are less headache in this scenario |
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| 09:10.44 | zenx | world of code is so complex |
| 09:10.54 | zenx | fucking RGB masks and hexadecimal numbers |
| 09:46.43 | ElectricPrism | how quaint |
| 09:53.36 | duckies | btw, will you join us this friday zenx for some sc2 maps? |
| 09:53.42 | zenx | no |
| 09:54.05 | zenx | I will only instal sc2 again if blizzard gives me hots |
| 09:54.30 | duckies | thought you'd say so, what if I throw in this internet cat? |
| 09:54.43 | duckies | shows zenx a long cat vomiting rainbows |
| 09:54.52 | zenx | mmm |
| 09:54.54 | zenx | no |
| 09:55.08 | duckies | what a bout a cookie? |
| 09:55.16 | zenx | no I got more cookies |
| 09:55.20 | duckies | hands zenxu one of bazillion cookies |
| 09:55.26 | duckies | mine is specia |
| 09:55.29 | duckies | *special |
| 09:55.42 | duckies | I don't know how or why, but I know it is, it must be |
| 09:57.22 | duckies | you won't even help me playtest my super rpg that I have been working on for quite a while and that's gonna be very cool? :s |
| 09:57.50 | zenx | ooh |
| 09:57.56 | zenx | make a video about it |
| 09:58.12 | duckies | ooh, I've got you interested! |
| 09:58.21 | zenx | are there actually gona be players on map night? or new maps to play? |
| 09:58.23 | duckies | but damn, I haven't made it yet ;/ |
| 09:58.53 | zenx | lol |
| 10:00.27 | duckies | doubt it, but g0a maybe will have basic version of his hero arena map, and I feel like trying something different from the usual stuff I play |
| 10:01.02 | duckies | so yea, nothing exciting for you:| |
| 10:01.14 | zenx | as expected |
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| 10:01.34 | zenx | why wouldnt they give modding tools for free |
| 10:01.48 | zenx | and maybe somekind of freemode of arcade too |
| 10:01.56 | zenx | like that you could atleast test your map |
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| 10:03.43 | duckies | cause they're ***** :D |
| 10:04.43 | zenx | I think they are overly greedy |
| 10:04.51 | zenx | like it blurs their judgement |
| 10:05.26 | duckies | I don't they're greedy, just conservative and slow |
| 10:10.08 | zenx | havent they also bullshitted quite a lot? |
| 10:10.10 | zenx | like |
| 10:10.18 | zenx | there was somthing about startools... |
| 10:10.28 | zenx | dunno if they gave what they promised with hots |
| 10:11.33 | duckies | they did release s-tools |
| 10:12.27 | duckies | but yea, every time they do a promise, something goes wrong, thus they don't promise anything nowadays :D |
| 10:12.49 | zenx | thats better |
| 10:12.54 | zenx | it gets anoying |
| 10:13.02 | zenx | when you dont deliver |
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| 10:15.04 | duckies | aye, but at least it generates some talk, right now it's just dead-silent. It's almost boring ;/ |
| 10:17.41 | zenx | have faith in blizzcon |
| 10:17.48 | zenx | its gona be all SC2 AWESOMENESSS |
| 10:17.54 | zenx | AND 10000 PROMISES |
| 10:18.01 | zenx | OF NEW AMAZING MAPS |
| 10:18.07 | zenx | AND NEW AMAZNG MAPPERS |
| 10:20.00 | duckies | I remember last blizzcont.. "Oh look stupid gimmicky protoss units, silly terran units and awesome zerg additions that all got cut due being too awesome to be balanced" it so unexciting that I dread the moment they announce what they've got for lotv |
| 10:20.11 | duckies | at least there will be a bunch of D3 stuff at blizzcon. Not that I care, but it's interesting to see nonetheless |
| 10:20.16 | zenx | ~seen blizz-artesis |
| 10:20.18 | purl | zenx: i haven't seen 'blizz-artesis' |
| 10:20.25 | zenx | what were theyr names? |
| 10:20.34 | duckies | arterasu I think |
| 10:20.36 | zenx | ~seen blizz-tenaris |
| 10:20.36 | purl | zenx: i haven't seen 'blizz-tenaris' |
| 10:20.46 | zenx | ~seen blizz-arterasu |
| 10:20.46 | purl | zenx: i haven't seen 'blizz-arterasu' |
| 10:20.52 | duckies | :D |
| 10:21.06 | G0A | :) |
| 10:21.40 | ElectricPrism | am i the only one here who thinks the hots storyline wasn't very canonical to the previous? |
| 10:21.59 | ElectricPrism | I hope the next expansion has a wicked story |
| 10:22.09 | zenx | ~seen blizz-Tenarsis |
| 10:22.10 | purl | blizz-tenarsis <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 23d 9h 21m 26s ago, saying: 'ok, I actually made a lot of progress on your guys requests. going home now, see you all later :)'. |
| 10:22.20 | duckies | I hope it has no story at all, no storry is better than blizzard story |
| 10:22.22 | zenx | MORE LIES |
| 10:22.38 | ElectricPrism | well they did try to cram so much storyline into 10 hrs of gameplay |
| 10:22.44 | zenx | I liked hots story a lot btw |
| 10:22.51 | zenx | it actually seemed decent |
| 10:22.53 | zenx | like |
| 10:23.06 | zenx | no bullshit cliche just cool enviroments and shit |
| 10:23.13 | zenx | pretty straight forward but still good |
| 10:23.38 | ElectricPrism | what I think you mean is that the gameplay, models and creative story mode was awesome |
| 10:23.40 | G0A | So friday night map night? |
| 10:23.43 | zenx | ~seen blizz-Artestru |
| 10:23.44 | purl | blizz-artestru <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 92d 16h 35m 14s ago, saying: 'And nice job with the invisible pineapple. That's a trick we commonly use, although we prefer apples because they're more delicious.'. |
| 10:23.46 | ElectricPrism | not specifically the story itself |
| 10:23.50 | duckies | I don't know about cliche, but there was too much chese for it to stay healthy |
| 10:23.57 | ElectricPrism | cuz i can agree with that for sure |
| 10:24.03 | ElectricPrism | cinematics were cool, gameplay was fun, etc... |
| 10:24.17 | duckies | yes goa |
| 10:24.28 | duckies | I'll be there, waiting for you guys.. |
| 10:24.29 | zenx | it doesnt need a deep story imo |
| 10:24.33 | duckies | .. on Ch server :D |
| 10:24.41 | zenx | its enough of a story to see where zerg came from |
| 10:24.44 | ElectricPrism | well, i totally agree |
| 10:24.52 | zenx | just some context |
| 10:24.54 | ElectricPrism | i just wish kerrigan stayed evil |
| 10:25.05 | ElectricPrism | cuz she was a cold harded bitch and thats how i liked her |
| 10:25.09 | duckies | oh look, raynor died, I better go kill everything! |
| 10:25.14 | ElectricPrism | lmao |
| 10:25.20 | zenx | oh yea and kerrigan was WAY better character than raynor |
| 10:25.25 | zenx | raynor was a fucking anoying shit |
| 10:25.36 | ElectricPrism | who could synthesize guns out of air |
| 10:25.38 | ElectricPrism | XD :P |
| 10:26.06 | ElectricPrism | good think kerrigan didnt squish raynor when she blew the door off his prison cell |
| 10:26.13 | ElectricPrism | and he wasn't sitting like right behind the door |
| 10:26.32 | ElectricPrism | i cant believe the leaked ending was the real ending so crazy |
| 10:26.47 | ElectricPrism | I remember seeing it like 6 months early and I was like pff no way this can be it |
| 10:27.13 | G0A | So bad that you cant make more than 2 groups, pff |
| 10:27.39 | ElectricPrism | hmm i dont think i got it |
| 10:27.57 | G0A | bnet groups* |
| 10:28.05 | duckies | well, I bet you wouldn't belive that decard cain would be killed in an in-game cinematic by a buterfly lady too |
| 10:28.14 | zenx | bwahaha |
| 10:28.19 | ElectricPrism | lol |
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| 10:31.00 | duckies | anyway, blizz told us that in lotv protoss will keep on dying, one by one, probably having stupid and avoidable deaths with overdramatic speaches. I can't wait for that lousy druid race to finally go extict, about damn time! |
| 10:31.28 | duckies | *extinct |
| 10:31.31 | ElectricPrism | druids? |
| 10:31.44 | duckies | yes, protoss are space druids, don'tcha know? |
| 10:32.03 | ElectricPrism | i do now |
| 10:32.07 | ElectricPrism | ya |
| 10:32.15 | ElectricPrism | I just hope they dont have 40 writers with conflicting visions |
| 10:32.40 | ElectricPrism | o well, i have no faith in the story itself i guess i cant be disappointed with lotv |
| 10:32.53 | ElectricPrism | the new units n assets will at least b sweet |
| 10:33.21 | duckies | don't worry, I'm sure blizz will find a way to bring sorrow to your soul |
| 10:33.40 | duckies | but yea, new assets will be cool. Blizz have nice artists for sure |
| 10:34.06 | G0A | there you go Ducky: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/57126-map-night-revived/ |
| 10:34.36 | duckies | Thank you G0A |
| 10:46.32 | zenx | and thus arcade and map community was revived |
| 10:47.37 | deadtwo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmqguIFMC-Y |
| 10:49.33 | G0A | deadtwo I was disappointed by that AsapSCIENCE video, there are so many good scifi shorts where people dont go out... |
| 10:49.47 | G0A | stop going out acutally* |
| 10:50.11 | G0A | duckies reply!!! http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/57126-map-night-revived/ |
| 10:55.12 | duckies | can't a duck eat in peace >.> |
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| 11:26.53 | deadtwo | http://gambitious.com/projects/2534-stronghold-crusader-2#prettyPhoto |
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| 11:43.29 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 11:51.51 | zenx | what the heck |
| 11:51.55 | zenx | another kickstarter site? |
| 11:53.06 | G0A | ? |
| 11:54.57 | Ahli | make a kickstarter to found a site that does exactly the same as kickstarter |
| 11:55.17 | JademusSreg | Or better yet, a kick-kickstarter. |
| 12:03.24 | G0A | :D |
| 12:04.29 | A1win | "Do you have trouble fighting in public? Is it difficult to kick when someone is watching? In the privacy of your own home, your kicks land with perfect accuracy and deadly force, but the company of others makes you nervous? Worry no more, we've got just the thing for you!" |
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| 12:08.50 | G0A | is there a way without modifying the UI to have the default unit info panel with xp veterancy behavior? (because that UI totally sucks |
| 12:09.12 | JademusSreg | A1, that is beautiful. |
| 12:09.40 | JademusSreg | Goa, clarify? |
| 12:09.58 | JademusSreg | You want the veterancy behavior to not change the UI? |
| 12:10.15 | Ahli | he wants the original equipment panel and not that hero unit panel weapon and armor slot thing |
| 12:10.24 | JademusSreg | Right. |
| 12:11.19 | JademusSreg | wonders if the Hidden flag makes a difference. |
| 12:11.51 | G0A | yeah |
| 12:12.05 | G0A | I am testing the hidden flag right now |
| 12:12.28 | G0A | it feels like that it still take additional time to load maps from the editor. |
| 12:13.10 | JademusSreg | It did, but the most recent patch (2.0.11) ought to have fixed that problem introduced in 2.0.10. |
| 12:13.31 | G0A | I know that |
| 12:13.35 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 12:15.23 | G0A | yeah Hidden fixed it.D |
| 12:15.52 | JademusSreg | Yay. =D |
| 12:16.48 | G0A | anyone know how does the new armor formula stuff works? |
| 12:17.26 | G0A | its quite funny, that they are even lazy to add documentation for newly added stuff, but "they are working on better editor documentation" |
| 12:17.59 | Ahli | ^ |
| 12:27.35 | G0A | hmm if I set hidden than the xp bar dont show up too |
| 12:27.37 | G0A | arghs |
| 12:32.02 | JademusSreg | Time to embrace layout editing. |
| 12:33.59 | G0A | no! |
| 12:34.18 | JademusSreg | Yessss. |
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| 13:10.29 | G0A | JademusSreg hmm I will just make xp bar from dialogs:D |
| 13:11.47 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 13:12.04 | JademusSreg | Well, that is certainly one approach. |
| 13:13.03 | G0A | I found the experience bar in the UI but I have no idea how to make that only show up for units with xp veterancy... |
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| 13:19.54 | MoonEater | whos alive? |
| 13:20.01 | G0A | nobody |
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| 13:26.18 | zenx | programming makes me feel stupid |
| 13:26.30 | zenx | like I look at my previous code "WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN SMOKING" |
| 13:27.05 | JademusSreg | knows that feeling. |
| 13:27.42 | JademusSreg | But it's a good sign; it's a sign of increasing competency. |
| 13:27.47 | zenx | indeed |
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| 13:31.13 | JademusSreg | wonders if languages can become diabetic from a lot of syntactic sugar. |
| 13:31.38 | zenx | what |
| 13:31.48 | zenx | you are speaking with languages I do not understand |
| 13:32.04 | JademusSreg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syntactic_sugar |
| 13:34.38 | zenx | I think its only good if it can simplified |
| 13:34.40 | zenx | makes learning easier |
| 13:35.02 | MoonEater | simplified programming |
| 13:35.05 | MoonEater | is available |
| 13:35.10 | MoonEater | but there r limitations |
| 13:35.21 | MoonEater | using a language like java or c |
| 13:35.27 | MoonEater | every part matters |
| 13:35.32 | MoonEater | its not like english |
| 13:35.46 | MoonEater | where u can get rid of stuff all over and keep the meaning |
| 13:36.59 | MoonEater | anyways |
| 13:37.10 | MoonEater | hay jade |
| 13:37.20 | MoonEater | u ever get editor crashing from a map u made |
| 13:37.28 | MoonEater | wait |
| 13:37.32 | MoonEater | let me rephrase that |
| 13:37.52 | MoonEater | have u ever made a map, saved it, closed it, opened it, published it, closed |
| 13:37.58 | MoonEater | then when u opened it again |
| 13:38.02 | MoonEater | it crashes? |
| 13:39.15 | Ahli | I made one that crashes the game with its compiled code. But I reported what was causing that and I assume it has been fixed |
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| 13:43.44 | MoonEater | i made |
| 13:43.52 | MoonEater | creep |
| 13:44.06 | MoonEater | that was x^2 larger than normal creeep |
| 13:44.13 | MoonEater | and it crashed the game |
| 13:44.20 | MoonEater | Ahli |
| 13:44.32 | G0A | how do I make that a unit have that nicely framed life bar like kerrigan has in the campaign over the unit. |
| 13:44.56 | MoonEater | open the map |
| 13:45.00 | MoonEater | and look? |
| 13:45.07 | MoonEater | im not sure personally |
| 13:45.38 | Ahli | status bar via UI xml code added to the unit in its actor? |
| 13:45.46 | MoonEater | is it possible to overwrite a native action? or hijack it somehow? |
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| 14:15.39 | zenx | mmm |
| 14:15.56 | zenx | make a video oooo |
| 14:27.17 | zenx | yeees |
| 14:27.32 | zenx | I shall reveal my manager game to you |
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| 14:33.00 | zenx | eiviyns witch hunt for taintedwisp continues :D |
| 14:33.28 | zenx | who even cares if he has been offensive, got banned 2 times should be enough until more bullshit continues |
| 14:36.35 | zenx | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDzcB2AKFak&feature=youtu.be |
| 14:36.50 | zenx | JademusSreg: there you can see my art assets in use |
| 14:36.58 | zenx | truly the walking animation is not good enough yet |
| 14:37.03 | zenx | but it looks almost decent |
| 14:37.13 | zenx | duckies: you can look too |
| 14:37.39 | duckies | I would but I'm about to go home ;/ |
| 14:37.50 | duckies | can you drop this link in an hour once I'm home? |
| 14:38.15 | duckies | I'm sure you can, if not I'll bother you until you do :D |
| 14:59.59 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 15:00.23 | JademusSreg | Moon, no, you can't hook or override natives. |
| 15:00.51 | JademusSreg | Hell, native functions can be called even without their prototypes. |
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| 15:34.12 | duckies | hehe, that's incredible zenxu :D charming |
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| 15:35.46 | ThunderLord | Hey can someone explain to me what flagging a trigger object as "Internal" does? is it just like an organizational type thing? |
| 15:36.03 | JademusSreg | shrugs. |
| 15:36.50 | JademusSreg | It's a GUI thing, doesn't have any representation in the script, so it must be related to how GUI organizes shit. |
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| 15:42.18 | G0A | duckies my map might not have any abilities by map night:D |
| 15:42.42 | duckies | ahaaa |
| 15:43.08 | duckies | that would make sor some unexciting hero combat :D |
| 15:43.13 | duckies | *for |
| 15:44.44 | duckies | hm, I can make some abilities for you if you want :3 |
| 15:44.50 | duckies | to speed up the process :D |
| 15:45.31 | G0A | is there a way to show UI frame if I hookup as a dialog? show/hide dialog doesnt seems to working. (yeah I still want to show that dam hero level bar) |
| 15:45.54 | G0A | no abilities from you:D |
| 15:46.24 | duckies | it's probably a dialog item, like panel |
| 15:47.06 | duckies | well, work hard then G0A :D |
| 15:50.07 | G0A | its progress bar, I can resize it but I cant show it if the fucking xp behavior is hidden:D |
| 15:51.28 | duckies | so what you want to do, hide info panel but show exp bar? |
| 15:52.22 | Ahli | tried <Unclipped val="true"/> ? it makes frames ignore parent boundaries |
| 15:52.35 | G0A | show exp bar, but show the basic info panel instead of fucking attributed one |
| 15:52.48 | G0A | Ahli wha?:) |
| 15:54.04 | Ahli | is the xp bar something you added to the UI or do you try to show the hero panel's xp bar on the other panel? |
| 15:55.00 | G0A | second |
| 15:55.06 | duckies | ah |
| 15:55.10 | duckies | maI get it |
| 15:55.19 | duckies | and I don't know how to do it :D |
| 15:55.56 | duckies | you don't want those small weapon armor icons + attibutes to show up, you just need exp bar over normal layout |
| 15:56.05 | Ahli | then try to add "<Unclipped val="true"/>" to the xp bar via UI xml code. Maybe the bar becomes visible when you set it to visible with triggers, then |
| 15:56.06 | duckies | sorry, can't help :D |
| 15:56.57 | Ahli | but I'm not sure if it is visible if the parent frame (hero info panel) is hidden |
| 15:57.02 | G0A | will try Ahli |
| 15:57.27 | G0A | duckies I only want the xp bar not the fucking attributes (the whole attribute system sucks hard) |
| 15:57.52 | duckies | I can't agree or disagree cause I never used it :D |
| 15:57.54 | Ahli | maybe you need to show the hero info panel, too. But then you could just add a new dialog item via xml into the UI and show it via trigger |
| 15:58.53 | Ahli | since you shouldn't be able to make the item always visible (I assume), adding a new item and control it via triggers would be the more straight forward change. |
| 15:59.19 | JademusSreg | Blade of Inverse Sharpness: Deal damage in an arc; deals higher damage to weaker enemies. "An edge that can cut through a thousand adversaries but is forbidden to draw blood." |
| 16:00.31 | G0A | Ahli I will just add progress bar via dialog triggers as I dont want it to be shown on all units anyway |
| 16:03.19 | Ahli | sounds fine, too |
| 16:03.49 | Ahli | you could add it to the info panel, too. Then it hides instantly when you deselect a unit |
| 16:03.52 | Dogmai | I got a third duckling. |
| 16:04.01 | Dogmai | He isn't well. |
| 16:04.15 | Dogmai | 24 hours since hatching and he is still not walking. |
| 16:04.48 | Ahli | then he can become fat even faster as he will burn less fat |
| 16:04.54 | Dustin|Work | maybe he's really a baneling |
| 16:04.58 | Dustin|Work | you try rolling him? |
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| 16:15.41 | Obscene | Thanks JademusSreg for closing that thread, after looking at it today I was going to lock it myself but you beat me to it. |
| 16:23.14 | Obscene | GTA V trailer released today |
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| 16:28.19 | Ahli | and opera starts to add old opera functionality (browser might become actually good someday). And splashdamage's game dirtybomb has been renamed to extraction... what a boring name |
| 16:28.59 | Vailreth | hm |
| 16:29.13 | Obscene | ahli THATS HATEFUL!!! |
| 16:29.15 | Vailreth | hello every one |
| 16:29.26 | Obscene | Hey vailreth, hows it going? |
| 16:29.38 | Vailreth | slow |
| 16:29.46 | Vailreth | hows things with you? |
| 16:29.56 | Obscene | confusing |
| 16:30.06 | Vailreth | whats confusing? |
| 16:30.06 | JademusSreg | Hah, the post has "1 Like". |
| 16:30.11 | Obscene | Dunno if I am riding in a car for 15 hours tomorrow or not. |
| 16:30.21 | Vailreth | ah |
| 16:30.32 | Obscene | there now it has 2 jademus |
| 16:31.02 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 16:31.37 | Obscene | yeah either I am going to NY this weekend, or not... dunno yet |
| 16:31.42 | Obscene | Family Reuinion :/ |
| 16:31.51 | Obscene | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.51 | Vailreth | i need to change the color of the particles i am using in my render they look like cherry blossoms drifiting around out of focus |
| 16:32.22 | Obscene | Damn yankees aggravate me. |
| 16:32.33 | Dustin|Work | Your face is a yankee |
| 16:32.36 | Obscene | :( |
| 16:32.40 | Obscene | probably |
| 16:32.58 | Obscene | My moms family is from Washington state(lives in NY state), and my dads is from NC. |
| 16:33.11 | Obscene | Least I only have to see the northern side once a year |
| 16:33.18 | Obscene | My grandpa on that side is cool, but hes from texas |
| 16:34.07 | Obscene | The thing that really annoys me is its like 24/hr bible study around them :. |
| 16:34.17 | Obscene | And as much as I love god,.... it gets annoying |
| 16:34.32 | Dustin|Work | Yeah that sounds lame |
| 16:34.38 | Obscene | its okay..... |
| 16:34.39 | JademusSreg | Oh, if you divide them up, they'd likely behave differently. |
| 16:35.04 | Obscene | lol |
| 16:35.06 | Vailreth | if god is always apart of you life your life doent always have to be in church so to speak |
| 16:35.08 | JademusSreg | The people, that is. If you divide up a person, it stops behaving entirely. |
| 16:35.23 | Obscene | lol |
| 16:35.43 | Obscene | well my grandpa is a ordained minister... soo I wouldn't ever say anything to him haha |
| 16:35.55 | Vailreth | well hopefully Jade.. but a severed head can survive upto about ten minutes ... |
| 16:35.59 | Obscene | hes also the chapel for a motorcycle association |
| 16:36.20 | Obscene | A chicken with a severed head survived for 10 months |
| 16:36.24 | JademusSreg | [citation needed] |
| 16:36.41 | Obscene | That chicken could have testified at his own murder trial had he been human |
| 16:37.00 | Obscene | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken |
| 16:37.01 | Obscene | 18 months |
| 16:37.33 | Obscene | I dunno how he didnt starve to death... but I guess technically he was rotted flesh... sooo I dunno |
| 16:40.23 | JademusSreg | The notion that a severed human head, or more precisely the brain, could survive for x minutes is silly. People with their heads still attached die in shorter durations from suffocation. |
| 16:40.25 | Vailreth | my apologies i missremebered what i read |
| 16:40.34 | JademusSreg | No worries. |
| 16:40.49 | Vailreth | it was seconds not minutes... |
| 16:40.52 | Obscene | yeah humans are weak, chickens are amazing though |
| 16:40.56 | A1win | but it works on futurama |
| 16:41.00 | Vailreth | but its been a while since i read it |
| 16:42.20 | Obscene | A1win, on futurama zoidberg grows hair for the soul purpose of it turning white |
| 16:43.52 | JademusSreg | Obs, a little bit of brain stem goes a long way. Considering it controlled the autonomic nervous system. |
| 16:45.35 | JademusSreg | Game length of 24—30 minutes. Sound sufficient or a tad too long? |
| 16:49.26 | Obscene | what type of game jademus? |
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| 16:51.19 | JademusSreg | Multiprayer Oncological Badger Area. |
| 16:52.55 | Vailreth | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5ccNcferF0&feature=youtu.be |
| 16:53.00 | Obscene | in layman's terms |
| 16:53.20 | Obscene | not bad vailreth |
| 16:53.23 | JademusSreg | Ah, you may have missed the joke. |
| 16:53.34 | Obscene | oh |
| 16:53.37 | Obscene | meh |
| 16:53.40 | Vailreth | there are some lighting issues but its the animation im focusing on |
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| 16:54.09 | Vailreth | but i have corrected the lighting issues ...and re timed the animation |
| 16:54.18 | Obscene | I need to get a video intro where the words "Hateful Productions" Explode. |
| 16:54.37 | Obscene | words in 3d with a volcanic texture |
| 16:54.42 | Vailreth | i can do that, do you want 2d or 3d ? |
| 16:54.45 | Obscene | 3d |
| 16:54.46 | Vailreth | ah |
| 16:54.55 | Obscene | well... 2.5d |
| 16:54.58 | Obscene | lol |
| 16:55.25 | Obscene | 2.5d meaning I wont need to rotate it or anything. |
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| 16:56.50 | Obscene | yeah I need it to explode then I need to fade to black, so I can clip it onto videos beginnings |
| 16:57.03 | Vailreth | i see |
| 16:57.31 | Vailreth | yeah i should be able to do that and animate the texture on the words as well |
| 16:58.03 | Vailreth | i wont be able to start for about six hours though i am rendering my new version of my link as we speak |
| 16:58.18 | Obscene | thats fine :P just whenever you get bored and feel like doing something would be great |
| 16:58.19 | Obscene | :) |
| 16:58.37 | Obscene | I am in no rush at all |
| 16:58.58 | Vailreth | i am thinking of getting a pair of GTX 660s and going sli with them |
| 16:59.03 | Vailreth | when i can afford it |
| 16:59.07 | Obscene | ah cool |
| 16:59.18 | Obscene | I am on a crappy laptop that cant even play my own map online ahhaa |
| 16:59.20 | Vailreth | should cut my rendertimes down... |
| 16:59.33 | Obscene | but this laptop does run the editor quite well |
| 16:59.45 | Obscene | Its like the game isnt optimized for quad core computers, but the editor is |
| 17:00.18 | Vailreth | well if you like you could get blender and make the bumber your self and i can render it for you. |
| 17:01.05 | Obscene | bumber? |
| 17:01.16 | Obscene | I have never used blender :P |
| 17:01.49 | Vailreth | bumber is an industry term for a short bit that goes infront of or behind a longer clip |
| 17:02.45 | Obscene | ah |
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| 17:03.22 | Vailreth | it may not be common but i picked it up from my video editing instructor i believe |
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| 17:04.37 | Vailreth | what resolution would you like your intro to be at? |
| 17:07.23 | Obscene | ehhh 1080? |
| 17:07.31 | Obscene | well 720 would be fine |
| 17:09.03 | Obscene | uhg I need to find somewhere, that I can learn an arabic language :/ |
| 17:09.15 | Obscene | so I can get a job with viral peace |
| 17:09.21 | Obscene | I wanna troll for america :( |
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| 17:12.03 | Vailreth | i did a little my self because of the new 2ds |
| 17:12.09 | Vailreth | http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee324/vailreth/2dsbread_zps16e49542.jpg |
| 17:12.24 | Vailreth | let nitendumb chew on that bab |
| 17:12.27 | Vailreth | bbay* |
| 17:12.31 | Vailreth | baby even |
| 17:12.38 | Obscene | lol... 2ds |
| 17:13.05 | Vailreth | lit looks like a slice of bread so i made it into a slice of bread ...>.. |
| 17:13.11 | Vailreth | ....>...>.... |
| 17:13.28 | Vailreth | i love photo shop |
| 17:13.43 | Obscene | Not only is it priced higher then the 3ds, but its not even compatible with all the game |
| 17:14.02 | Vailreth | hm |
| 17:14.05 | Obscene | lol for ages 7 and younger, hahah |
| 17:14.13 | Obscene | were they scared people would swallow the old one |
| 17:14.53 | Dustin|Dev | Its because the 3ds is bad for young kids eyes, also they will break that hinge easily |
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| 17:15.10 | Obscene | okay, so what about the price? |
| 17:16.46 | Dustin|Dev | a 3ds is under 130$? |
| 17:17.15 | Dustin|Dev | looks like they are 170$ plus |
| 17:18.53 | JademusSreg | Zugzug |
| 17:19.04 | Obscene | Etorb |
| 17:20.26 | Obscene | Loktar* |
| 17:20.32 | Obscene | Etorb was the peon :( |
| 17:20.37 | Obscene | i feel as though I have failed |
| 17:21.33 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 17:23.05 | Obscene | ZugZug is from a grunt in warcraft 2 |
| 17:23.06 | Obscene | :P |
| 17:23.13 | Obscene | Etorb is from a peon.... |
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| 17:35.18 | ArcanePariah-Mob | Has anyone really delved into the AI capabilites of the editor? I get the impression no one really uses it. |
| 17:36.09 | JademusSreg | The editor's AI module is garbage. |
| 17:36.26 | JademusSreg | The AI script, however, is quite nice. |
| 17:36.27 | G0A | yeah |
| 17:37.24 | JademusSreg | I'll send you a list of AI natives, but to really get a sense of how to employ them, you may need to dig into the AI scripts. |
| 17:38.17 | ArcanePariah-Mob | True the ai module is bad, i was more referring to things like the tactical AI parts of the data, along with target find and sorts |
| 17:38.36 | JademusSreg | I'll just package it all for you, then. |
| 17:38.49 | ArcanePariah-Mob | Feels like they are under used. |
| 17:38.55 | Dustin|Dev | Cause they are not documented |
| 17:39.11 | Dustin|Dev | Hard to work with tools when you have no idea how they work :( |
| 17:39.40 | ArcanePariah-Mob | True, but there are decent working examples to work from |
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| 17:40.02 | ArcanePariah-Mob | High templar and ghost are good exampples |
| 17:41.01 | JademusSreg | Hell, I'll package all the galaxy scripts. That should cover it for references. |
| 17:41.09 | ArcanePariah-Mob | Guess I should take some time to docuument that stuff |
| 17:41.44 | ArcanePariah-Mob | Also, Jade, random question, why a talking burrito? |
| 17:41.56 | JademusSreg | Who said it talks? =D |
| 17:42.14 | JademusSreg | I imagine it as having the personality of a Cenobite. |
| 17:43.31 | JademusSreg | Got the idea imagining how vulnerable mouth parts are while eating, conceived of a burrito that bites one's tongue. |
| 17:43.46 | JademusSreg | Burrito Dentata. |
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| 17:46.31 | ArcanePariah-Mob | Interesting, I need to set mine, probably the same one I use on my forums |
| 17:54.04 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/StandardGalaxy.7z |
| 17:54.54 | Dustin|Dev | Vagina Dentata |
| 17:55.30 | JademusSreg | I see you got the name's formal inspiration. |
| 17:58.18 | G0A | Ahli in unitstatus UI there is no fucking shield bar only health-shield bar? |
| 17:59.04 | Ahli | in-f*cking-deed |
| 17:59.29 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 18:01.01 | G0A | that is fucking stupid |
| 18:01.11 | Ahli | he said, the only thing that displays shields is the shieldedHealthBar which fails to display any information about the max amount of shield points. |
| 18:01.17 | G0A | Is there a way at least color the shield part of the bar? |
| 18:01.35 | G0A | as its black for me |
| 18:01.35 | JademusSreg | Values can be set for specific indexes. |
| 18:01.38 | Ahli | yes... index |
| 18:01.41 | Ahli | ^ |
| 18:02.03 | JademusSreg | <ApplyToTotal val="#bool" index="#0"/> |
| 18:02.07 | G0A | Once again I realize I fucking hate UI |
| 18:02.15 | Ahli | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4479839/StatusBarTests%20by%20Ahli.SC2Map |
| 18:02.30 | JademusSreg | I wonder if flagging the healthbar index as false and shieldbar index as true might work. |
| 18:02.33 | G0A | Ahli I have that:D |
| 18:02.33 | Ahli | did they fix applyToTotal stuff or is it creating bars that extend to infinity? |
| 18:02.56 | JademusSreg | Or alternately not making healthbar index visible to self, ally and enemy. |
| 18:03.12 | Ahli | that would work? :X |
| 18:03.22 | JademusSreg | Maybe. |
| 18:03.56 | JademusSreg | I speculate solutions, and other people save me the trouble of testing. |
| 18:04.14 | Ahli | I guess not... should be collapsed, too... |
| 18:04.20 | Ahli | then it might work |
| 18:04.28 | Ahli | but I don't think that can be edited with index |
| 18:04.55 | G0A | HeroUnitStatusLevelFrameTemplate would be so nice without that stupid shield |
| 18:05.00 | JademusSreg | Yar. |
| 18:05.24 | JademusSreg | Still ApplyToTotal is the only one that would influence vision and confirmed to support the index attribute. |
| 18:05.38 | ArcanePariah-Mob | Wait, are you trying to color the individual segments of the hp bar? |
| 18:06.14 | ArcanePariah-Mob | Or shield bar or energy bar? |
| 18:07.26 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 18:07.27 | ArcanePariah-Mob | Because if that is the case, the colors can be changed in the GameUI data object |
| 18:07.43 | Ahli | he wants to use another fancy status bar, not the default one |
| 18:07.51 | ArcanePariah-Mob | It has fields for all 3 |
| 18:07.52 | ArcanePariah-Mob | P |
| 18:07.55 | ArcanePariah-Mob | Oh |
| 18:08.03 | ArcanePariah-Mob | :/ |
| 18:08.09 | JademusSreg | I've not updated my layout element reference for new patches. May need to do that. |
| 18:08.27 | JademusSreg | So I'm gonna check the most recent string dump. |
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| 18:10.41 | ArcanePariah-Mob | So... creating a custom hp/shield/energy bar over units, and it can display hp numbers but not shield numbers? Is that the problem? |
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| 18:13.47 | G0A | nope |
| 18:14.11 | JademusSreg | Wow. |
| 18:14.16 | G0A | ArcanePariah-Mob example: http://snag.gy/ddOah.jpg |
| 18:14.19 | JademusSreg | That is weird. |
| 18:14.55 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/w6fdh |
| 18:15.35 | JademusSreg | EnergyBar, strangely no ShieldBar. |
| 18:16.16 | JademusSreg | Neither in the frame types or in the frame classes. |
| 18:16.41 | ArcanePariah-Mob | It appeats that since shields are treated as hp, they decided to just extend and recolar another hp bar |
| 18:17.07 | ArcanePariah-Mob | Since shields are basically a 2 nd set of hp |
| 18:17.22 | JademusSreg | Strange in the sense that it's not elegantly consistent. =D |
| 18:17.42 | JademusSreg | Though that's a fault on my part, assuming such. |
| 18:19.33 | Vailreth | 56 frames left to render wow... |
| 18:19.48 | JademusSreg | Someone remind me later to rebuild the frame element reference. |
| 18:22.21 | JademusSreg | Unlike the natives or actor event messages, layout frame types are spread all over the memory. =\ |
| 18:22.22 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 18:47.58 | zenx | awwwwwww man |
| 18:48.12 | zenx | I wonder if I should flip images or make seperate sprite sheets |
| 18:48.17 | zenx | for units facing left and right |
| 18:53.24 | zenx | I hate feeling so tired yet I dont wana go sleeping yet |
| 18:53.50 | Dustin|Dev | Flip |
| 18:54.10 | Dustin|Dev | No use taking up extra space |
| 18:54.46 | zenx | I feared you would say that |
| 18:54.47 | zenx | sight* |
| 18:56.08 | Dustin|Dev | Why do you fear the flip? |
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| 18:59.36 | zenx | just because I have to add more code for such simple stuff |
| 18:59.38 | zenx | allthou |
| 18:59.44 | zenx | its not a huge deal i suppose |
| 19:19.28 | Obscene | knock knock knockin on heavins door |
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| 19:56.26 | JademusSreg | Quandry: Pretty nearly anyone I can think of who is competent enough to collaborate with me on a project has their own projects. Well, I'm not entirely certain this is the case, as my memory uses lossy compression. |
| 19:57.29 | Obscene | :( |
| 19:58.09 | Dustin|Dev | My project is more of a side thing at the moment |
| 19:58.28 | Obscene | Jademus doesnt think I am competent :P |
| 19:58.32 | JademusSreg | I know, Taint; it's sad my memory is not eidetic, I agree. |
| 19:58.49 | Obscene | lol |
| 19:58.50 | Obscene | Mine is |
| 20:00.33 | JademusSreg | Which reminds me, Dustin, did you read the doc? |
| 20:02.00 | Vailreth | http://youtu.be/WYH_pftJCDE near final rendering in 720 for crusade works |
| 20:02.04 | JademusSreg | I'm in the process of crunching numbers to determine formulas for the prototype, and filling in the descriptive portions, but I expect it conveys some perspective on the idea. |
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| 20:06.46 | Obscene | Looks pretty good vail, who you making it for? |
| 20:06.50 | Vailreth | me |
| 20:07.05 | Obscene | ah |
| 20:07.11 | Obscene | cool, It could use some color though :P |
| 20:07.29 | Vailreth | how so? |
| 20:08.24 | Obscene | I would add a light yellow to the background. |
| 20:08.31 | Obscene | And maybe a silverish color to the shield |
| 20:08.39 | Obscene | a light golden yellow* |
| 20:08.54 | JademusSreg | Silverfish color. |
| 20:09.15 | Obscene | lol |
| 20:09.19 | Obscene | Metallic color |
| 20:09.42 | JademusSreg | Metallica color. |
| 20:09.55 | Obscene | The color of a weasel on tuesday, last week. |
| 20:10.28 | JademusSreg | Yankovich color. |
| 20:11.32 | Vailreth | ill give it some thought |
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| 20:12.06 | Vailreth | if i could afford an Hdr invirnmentmap i would add one of those and it would look much better |
| 20:12.15 | Vailreth | in the mean time brb |
| 20:14.14 | Zandose|Away | anyone know what setting for the MarSaraBridge makes units go over it? |
| 20:14.32 | JademusSreg | It's defined by the asset. |
| 20:15.04 | Zandose | ¿? is that in data? |
| 20:15.28 | JademusSreg | Since there are several mar sara bridges, you'll need to find one with a walkable plane. |
| 20:16.00 | Zandose | i should note i dont want the unit to go over it. i want to turn it off. |
| 20:16.09 | JademusSreg | Oh, easy. |
| 20:16.41 | JademusSreg | Use the actor event message something like PhysicsTerminate. |
| 20:16.48 | Zandose | oh |
| 20:17.28 | JademusSreg | I've used it on HotS natural ice bridge, as well. |
| 20:21.55 | Obscene | MY HANDS FELT JUST LIKE TWO BALOONS |
| 20:22.25 | JademusSreg | You should probably visit a physician. |
| 20:22.30 | JademusSreg | Or a clown. |
| 20:22.46 | Obscene | I think I need them blown up, is your mother in town? |
| 20:23.43 | JademusSreg | I expect a town, city, township, hamlet, unincorporated area, or such, yes, at least one of those. |
| 20:25.29 | Obscene | ok |
| 20:25.30 | Obscene | Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated. |
| 20:26.39 | JademusSreg | [Error] Context not found |
| 20:27.58 | Obscene | :( |
| 20:28.10 | Obscene | wrong paste :( |
| 20:28.12 | Obscene | lol |
| 20:28.17 | Obscene | That was for facebook... |
| 20:40.20 | JademusSreg | Quick poll: What would you consider an ideal gameplay session duration with regard to your lifestyle? |
| 20:41.53 | Obscene | 15-20 minutes, fast paced game, quick game lobby. |
| 20:42.08 | Obscene | pretty much what evo-frenzy is when people actually join the damn lobby |
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| 20:52.24 | RiFT | Hello, I imported some galaxy files to change the AI and all of my custom text got reset? Has this happened before/is there an easy fix? |
| 20:53.51 | JademusSreg | Not sure how those would be related. |
| 20:55.16 | JademusSreg | Without more detailed information, can't hazard a guess. |
| 20:55.34 | RiFT | I don't know either, but that was the only new thing I did around the time that the text disappeared >.> |
| 20:55.55 | ArcanePariah | Jade: For your poll, most people want fast games, primarily because people have increasing responsabilites in life, and more importantly, people take enomorouse (personal experience) offense to people choosing to interact with other digitally over those personally |
| 20:56.54 | JademusSreg | reads that as "personal experience with an enormous moose" and is delighted. |
| 20:56.57 | Obscene | But keep in mind the way battle.net is designed that if it is on battle.net then it wont succeed with lower play times |
| 20:57.05 | JademusSreg | But yes, I agree with that assessment. |
| 20:57.06 | ArcanePariah | Due to the lack of physicality, people feel that you can leave a video game at any time, regardless, despite the fact asking a person to leave a normal sport game is considered unusual |
| 20:57.16 | JademusSreg | I'm interested more in quantifying it. |
| 20:57.55 | Deadzergling | Vailreth, I'm sorry, but the Crusade, it didn't work |
| 20:58.12 | Deadzergling | Your intro is a lie |
| 20:58.23 | Vailreth | hah |
| 20:58.25 | ArcanePariah | I would say, for me, ideal is 30-45 minutes, because I can start various things and play while I wait, and also most things now a days are done in hour or half hour blocks |
| 20:58.39 | Deadzergling | at least historically |
| 20:59.01 | Deadzergling | Not a bad little intro anyways, i had to look at the name to realize the video was just an intro |
| 20:59.14 | Vailreth | ah |
| 21:00.08 | Deadzergling | besides you know, The Crusade not working out for anyone |
| 21:00.23 | Deadzergling | my only complaint is the long pause at the end |
| 21:00.38 | Deadzergling | at least keep the glowies in the back going |
| 21:01.09 | Obscene | Actually the Crusade did work |
| 21:01.10 | Obscene | 2 times |
| 21:01.14 | Obscene | There were 4 craseds |
| 21:01.15 | Obscene | :P |
| 21:01.20 | Obscene | The last of which was quite horrible... |
| 21:01.34 | JademusSreg | The 30 minute mark is a frequent value, it appears. |
| 21:01.35 | Obscene | The last was a bunch of children who volunteered and ended up being killed, raped, or sold as slaves |
| 21:02.10 | Obscene | the 1st succeeded, the 2nd was 50/50.(held ground) and the 3rd failed, and the 4th was a massacre. |
| 21:02.34 | Obscene | ther 3rd claimed the kings of France, Spain, and England |
| 21:02.37 | Deadzergling | the 1st succeeded you say? |
| 21:02.44 | Obscene | If I recall |
| 21:02.46 | Deadzergling | why was the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th needed |
| 21:02.50 | Deadzergling | if it was so successful |
| 21:03.31 | Obscene | because the 1st took the land, the 2nd was trying to hold the land |
| 21:03.47 | Obscene | The 3rd and fourth were to reclaim it |
| 21:04.40 | ArcanePariah | The 1st was intiated because the Pope had obeserved instability in the Caliphate of the time, and took advantage of the muslim instability. However the Muslims overcame this and became organized and steadily retook the land |
| 21:04.44 | Obscene | Apperently there were more then 4. |
| 21:04.44 | Deadzergling | I had an intro movie in mind at some point |
| 21:04.48 | Deadzergling | I never finished it though |
| 21:04.56 | Deadzergling | Mine was far less spectacular |
| 21:05.00 | ArcanePariah | Also in the 3rd crusade, the Muslims had a brillant military leader, Saladin |
| 21:05.09 | Obscene | yeah theres no denying that |
| 21:05.10 | ArcanePariah | Who pretty easily defeated the crusaderes |
| 21:05.15 | Deadzergling | It was a cereal box dumping corn flakes/frosted flakes into a bowl. |
| 21:05.18 | Deadzergling | and at the end |
| 21:05.22 | Deadzergling | Flakey Productions |
| 21:06.06 | Obscene | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Crusade |
| 21:06.42 | Obscene | The crusades are still going on today... they will never end |
| 21:07.03 | Obscene | 3 religions fighting over a piece of land, that honestly has little to no significance |
| 21:09.56 | Obscene | Ihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KllC_8fRlZ8 |
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| 21:12.09 | Zolden | greetings, noble mapmakermen |
| 21:12.17 | Vailreth | Hey obsecene what font would you like for the intro to use? |
| 21:12.45 | Zolden | use Penisana font |
| 21:12.53 | Zolden | looks convincing |
| 21:16.10 | Zolden | JademusSreg: are you not in bbl mode? |
| 21:16.30 | JademusSreg | Hereish. |
| 21:17.36 | JademusSreg | I'm disassembling a wooden chest, but I'm available to help. |
| 21:18.12 | Zolden | so, could you again explain why 1024^2 array is bad for galaxy? |
| 21:18.38 | JademusSreg | First, it's not technically feasible, even if it weren't terrible in principle. |
| 21:18.43 | Zolden | you mean a part of a wooden soldier? i thought people rather assemble them |
| 21:19.03 | JademusSreg | A wooden storage chest, hah. |
| 21:19.04 | Zolden | "terrible" isn't argument, it's emotional remark |
| 21:19.28 | JademusSreg | Naw, but it's irrelevant. The point is it can't be done, not directly. |
| 21:19.38 | Zolden | I remember, we can use 2^24 of 4 byte words |
| 21:19.49 | JademusSreg | Array sizes cap out at 8192 total indexes. |
| 21:19.59 | JademusSreg | Give or take 1. |
| 21:20.08 | Zolden | 1024<8192 |
| 21:20.20 | JademusSreg | Indexes. Total. |
| 21:20.24 | JademusSreg | For all dimensions. |
| 21:20.45 | Zolden | I dont get it |
| 21:21.16 | ArcanePariah | It means you can have a 8192 single dimension array, or a 4 * 2024 dimension array |
| 21:21.28 | ArcanePariah | you can never have more then 8192 array elements |
| 21:21.47 | Zolden | I create a type of array of 1024 and create an array of 1024 of this type, will it be 2048 indexes or what? |
| 21:21.48 | ArcanePariah | No matter how many dimensions you hav |
| 21:22.02 | Deadzergling | zolden, when you say 1024^2 |
| 21:22.08 | Deadzergling | it sounds like 1024 * 1024 |
| 21:22.14 | Deadzergling | do you mean instead, 1024 x 2 ? |
| 21:22.19 | JademusSreg | That's an interesting question, but I suspect a struct would have a comparable limitation. |
| 21:22.59 | JademusSreg | He means an array representing the state of an area. |
| 21:23.21 | JademusSreg | Or rather, the state of the cells of an area. |
| 21:24.08 | JademusSreg | In principle, it's terribly wasteful to allocate so much memory when it will in nearly all cases not be utilized meaningfully. |
| 21:24.14 | Zolden | hmm... I think I once used an array of like 150x150 |
| 21:24.27 | Obscene | hmm |
| 21:24.30 | Obscene | well.. |
| 21:25.08 | Obscene | Vailreth this one would be pretty good |
| 21:25.09 | Obscene | http://www.dafont.com/exorcista.font |
| 21:25.12 | Zolden | JademusSreg: If I can afford to use that much memory, and it is not needed for other things, it's rather a not argument either |
| 21:25.27 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 21:25.40 | Obscene | all caps |
| 21:25.44 | Obscene | HATEFUL PRODUCTIONS |
| 21:25.51 | Zolden | JademusSreg: because we are not programming on 30 year old computer, where every byte is in use |
| 21:26.26 | ArcanePariah | True, but I must ask this, what is the performance hit for doing a search over such a large array or any kind of memory modfication? |
| 21:26.33 | JademusSreg | It's more sensible to contain the positional data of an object in the object the positional data is describing, or as an element in a set. |
| 21:27.23 | Zolden | ArcanePariah: this array won't be searched, its values will be checked as single variables sometimes |
| 21:28.23 | JademusSreg | Zol, if you're determined to use a (very) sub-optimal approach, no amount of argument will prevent it. So do your best, let us know how it goes. |
| 21:28.33 | Zolden | JademusSreg: I agree, and this will force us to search along the array of positional data objects. So, the more objects we have, the moretimes we check on each tick |
| 21:31.02 | Zolden | JademusSreg: It's not like I plan to use it, I just want to understand each argument that is against using this approach. For now you have mentioned that it may still cause perfomance problems, but I don't plan to pass the array as a function argument, I'll only check the global variable, so, this argument is probably a fiction. THen you saif it's not optimal. This argument is correct. Then you said that it won't work technically |
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| 21:31.09 | Zolden | also fictional (need to check) |
| 21:33.16 | Zolden | this huge array provides a sweet thing: no matter, how many objects are in the environment, we only check a few variables on each cycle of each cycle(bike). And there shouldbe realy strong arguments agains this approach |
| 21:33.24 | JademusSreg | I've not made technically detailed arguments, as your persistent responses favoring the array have derailed each attempt at initiation. |
| 21:34.00 | Zolden | lolo |
| 21:34.02 | Zolden | sorry for that |
| 21:34.54 | Zolden | I have a backup plan, just want to clarify this one |
| 21:35.46 | Zolden | it's like someone has 3 ideas, and he starts considering them one by one from the worst |
| 21:36.24 | Vailreth | ok |
| 21:36.53 | JademusSreg | brbi5 |
| 21:37.35 | Zolden | so, anything you can add to the list?: 1. possible perfomance problems, 2. possible impossibility of implementation, 3. waste of memory |
| 21:43.44 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 21:46.36 | JademusSreg | I'll try to avoid reference to best practices, or principles, or any such abstract notions that contribute to good, readable, efficient code, since methodological perspective can't be forced on someone concerned only with a result. |
| 21:46.48 | JademusSreg | Instead, I'll break down the technical details. |
| 21:47.09 | RiFT | does time scale affect attack period? I seem to recall it not affecting that in particular |
| 21:47.17 | JademusSreg | Rift, yes. |
| 21:47.35 | RiFT | alright then |
| 21:48.16 | Zolden | JademusSreg: readability is indeed not a high priority here |
| 21:48.18 | JademusSreg | First, galaxy does not support arrays with more than 8192 elements. There is no "maybe" about this, it's a well known limit. |
| 21:48.26 | Zolden | just a pure technical conception |
| 21:49.27 | Zolden | sad I haven't editor here |
| 21:49.34 | JademusSreg | So you'd end up using multiple arrays, and wouldn't just be able to check with a simple someArray[x][y]/ |
| 21:49.46 | Zolden | would be interesting to check if it is possible to create 1024x1024 somehow |
| 21:49.57 | JademusSreg | It's not doable. |
| 21:50.39 | Zolden | oh, it's not a big deal, a[x][y] check or a[x].b[y], doesn't matter |
| 21:52.07 | Zolden | still it's strange, i have definitely used 100x100 array, and it worked fine |
| 21:52.11 | JademusSreg | You'd be forced to use a massive if elseif block to determine which array member to use, if it worked at all. |
| 21:53.11 | JademusSreg | By which I mean if structs can even support that many fields. |
| 21:53.14 | Zolden | if it requires massive if else if blocks, it's an argument |
| 21:53.31 | JademusSreg | It certainly would. |
| 21:54.26 | JademusSreg | You'd get the position of the unit, and use the position to determine which cells to check for collision, but this would necessitate an if elseif block to check one of the two dimensions. |
| 21:54.29 | Zolden | can you create a[1000] of int in a struct s and then create b[1000] of s? |
| 21:55.15 | JademusSreg | Perhaps. I tend not to do such, er, not efficient things, but I'm not aware of struct field limitations. |
| 21:55.34 | Zolden | yea, i see, we're talking abuot indexes, if it's not doable, the approach fails |
| 21:56.22 | JademusSreg | Structs may be similarly limited in the number of elements they may contain, but again, not certain. |
| 21:56.47 | Zolden | can you at least try to create a[100][100] array? I have definitely used it 2 years ago, and it worked, and 100x100 = 10000 < 8192 |
| 21:57.18 | Zolden | Deadzergling: do you have editor in front of you? |
| 21:57.25 | Deadzergling | Nope |
| 21:57.45 | Zolden | Dustin|Dev: or Dustin|Home do you have editor in front of you? |
| 21:57.53 | Zolden | Obscene: do you? |
| 21:58.07 | Obscene | Do i what? see your mother? yes |
| 21:58.12 | Zolden | i'm intrigued, but haven't any editors in 100 km around me |
| 21:58.20 | JademusSreg | If such an approach did work, assuming n^2 to represent the game area, you'd have n struct fields and the function to check would have n conditions to evaluated. |
| 21:58.33 | Zolden | Obscene: ok, and how about the editor? |
| 21:58.43 | Obscene | What you need? |
| 21:59.27 | Zolden | Obscene: I want you to create a 100x100 array and check if it let you to |
| 21:59.51 | Obscene | Why would you need tha tmuch :P |
| 21:59.53 | Obscene | Yeah it let me |
| 22:00.01 | Obscene | You could also just make a 4 dimensional arry |
| 22:00.18 | Zolden | JademusSreg: ok, let's then consider this argument considered, and get to the "possible perfomance problems" argument you mentioned yesterday |
| 22:00.19 | JademusSreg | So it would be quite slow, getting slower the further from the game area {0,0} a player unit is. |
| 22:00.32 | Obscene | I can make 8192 in each array field |
| 22:00.34 | Zolden | Obscene: could you create 1000x1000 array? |
| 22:00.36 | ThunderLord | if i have a behavior that can be disabled and re-enabled will an effect that i put in the initial or final or refresh effect fire when the behavior is enabled or disabled? |
| 22:00.48 | Obscene | Zolden I can make UP TO 8192 per array field |
| 22:00.50 | Zolden | so, 8192x8192 is possible? |
| 22:00.53 | Obscene | yes |
| 22:00.58 | Zolden | ok, thans |
| 22:01.02 | Obscene | 8192 ^ 4 is the highest possibly |
| 22:01.18 | JademusSreg | There's a difference between what the language will allow and what the game will allow. |
| 22:01.18 | Zolden | yea, cool |
| 22:01.32 | Obscene | yeah you should listen to jademus first though :P |
| 22:02.44 | Zolden | yea, it's what i'm doing |
| 22:04.27 | Zolden | ok, let's imagine game let me use 1024^2 array. Can we be sure that checking a[x][y] doesn't have any tricky perfomance leaks? Will checking a value in 2^2 array take the same time as checking a value in 1024^2 array |
| 22:04.51 | Zolden | both are a global variable |
| 22:05.11 | JademusSreg | Anyway, besides the cumbersome workaround, and the performance issue from evaluating every conditional expression until the correct array field is determined (players*(up to 1024 conditional evals) per update), and the uncertainty if struct can support that many large array fields, it's a grossly inefficient use of memory. |
| 22:05.12 | Obscene | if it did, you could always create a false variable |
| 22:05.48 | JademusSreg | You're already providing the indexes, so it would be O(1). |
| 22:06.11 | JademusSreg | So if that were possible, it would be computationally efficient at the expense of memory. |
| 22:06.52 | JademusSreg | The struct{array} workaround, on the otherhand, is neither computationally nor memory efficient. |
| 22:08.38 | JademusSreg | Oh, and it breaks if the player unit's speed covers a distance per update greater than the cells. |
| 22:10.06 | JademusSreg | Which puts the speed max at 16 arraycells, assuming it's checked each update. |
| 22:10.48 | JademusSreg | That's before accounting for unit collision radius, which increases the computational complexity by quite a lot. |
| 22:11.17 | Zolden | well, checking a few cells instead of one |
| 22:12.27 | Zolden | it may be a problem if the amount of checks is greater than the amoun of wall objects, but most of time there are alot of walls, and in a common case we can talk about hundreds and thousands of objects |
| 22:12.50 | JademusSreg | Assuming the game area is 256^2 game cells represented by 1024^2 array elements, that limits the maximum speed to 4. |
| 22:13.31 | Obscene | https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0bUnMsYkF1g |
| 22:13.51 | JademusSreg | *and assuming no unit radius and no interpolation checking. |
| 22:14.34 | Obscene | Jademus, are your pigs on drugs? |
| 22:14.35 | Zolden | we can check the cells around (unit radius) a speed vector (speed interpolation) of any length |
| 22:15.20 | JademusSreg | Sure, that's what you want to do, but how will this be accomplished in the implementation? |
| 22:15.48 | Zolden | somehow, it's a trivial issue |
| 22:16.06 | JademusSreg | Not at all, it's in no way trivial, my goodness. |
| 22:17.11 | Zolden | ok, it may take some time to get cell numbers that are inside a square, and not waste perfomance |
| 22:17.17 | JademusSreg | Since we've got a struct with 1024 array fields and we're using an if elseif block to check, that means it can take up to about 1024 conditional evaluation operations to check a single cell. |
| 22:17.38 | Zolden | but it's solvable, and it's not a proving rhiman hypothesis |
| 22:17.50 | ArcanePariah | Mind you, you could implement a binary search, since it is a ordered array |
| 22:18.08 | JademusSreg | And checking cells around the cell is that many additional up-to-1024-evals. |
| 22:18.14 | Zolden | ArcanePariah: it's not ordered, and we don't need to search |
| 22:18.45 | JademusSreg | Or you remember the previous cell in the check sequence and shave some time. |
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| 22:19.23 | Zolden | JademusSreg: if it requires spamming if else if's, the method is fucked, but let's imply it won't require it |
| 22:19.43 | JademusSreg | Nope, because arrays have a limit. |
| 22:20.20 | Necromoni | do pick each unit in unit group break ifs and else ifs? |
| 22:20.40 | Zolden | as I say, I used 100^2, and it's more than 8192, so, limit is higher |
| 22:20.51 | JademusSreg | No, but Pick Each Shit is terrible, can't be nested, can't use waits. |
| 22:21.54 | ArcanePariah | Can't use waits? Meaning placing a wait of any kind inside a Pick Each loops does nothing? |
| 22:23.11 | JademusSreg | It can cause it to break if another thread runs during that wait with a pick each. |
| 22:23.36 | JademusSreg | Though it may be possible that particular issue has been patched, not sure. |
| 22:23.57 | ArcanePariah | Sounds like an issue of how they implemented blocking |
| 22:24.01 | ArcanePariah | Odd |
| 22:24.19 | JademusSreg | Pick Each has its own shitty natives. |
| 22:24.37 | JademusSreg | Whereas a for loop is reliable. |
| 22:25.16 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/xfsz6 |
| 22:25.42 | ArcanePariah | True but Pick Each is more straightforward if you never intend to nest loops, since you don't have to declare a local variable for each loop you create |
| 22:25.55 | JademusSreg | Gross, haha. |
| 22:26.05 | ArcanePariah | Or I guess you could reuse the variable, but that has its own pitfalls |
| 22:26.36 | JademusSreg | But yes, if someone insists on a pick each and has enough sense not to nest them, whatever. |
| 22:26.56 | JademusSreg | Though even the pick each GUI script macro uses a for loop, so double-whatever. |
| 22:28.05 | ArcanePariah | At least in my own code, I want to often do something to each player, I wish Blizzard had implemented, even if as an abstraction, a way to run more operations against groups. Like say, shake the camara, often I want to do it to a player group, but you can't so you have to loop instead |
| 22:28.32 | ArcanePariah | I guess I could write my own for convenience |
| 22:29.58 | ArcanePariah | Which brings up the question (probably old and stupid) but can you pass actions/functions as parameters or is that entire point of you creating funcref in the GUI, it current doesn't exist? |
| 22:30.00 | JademusSreg | Here's the GUI xml for the pick each and their script macros. https://pastee.org/tah2x |
| 22:31.22 | JademusSreg | Arc, if I parse correctly the question, GUI doesn't support funcref type or typedef, and so doesn't support passing actions/functions as parameters. |
| 22:31.38 | ArcanePariah | So I guess it really comes down to the oldest debate of development: Optimize for computer performance or optimize for developer performance |
| 22:31.58 | ArcanePariah | Ok, yes, you answered it. How unfortunate. |
| 22:34.04 | JademusSreg | Wow. |
| 22:34.09 | JademusSreg | Zol, good news. |
| 22:34.17 | JademusSreg | They definitely increased the limit. |
| 22:34.42 | ArcanePariah | Wait, yeah, didn't the last patch raise the overall memory limit to begin with? |
| 22:34.59 | ArcanePariah | Someone said now we have 2^24 variables |
| 22:35.08 | JademusSreg | It's using 7% of the Globals memory stack, but a [1024][1024] is permitted. |
| 22:35.21 | JademusSreg | So you'll be pleased. |
| 22:35.57 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... given that ration, you could do like [2500][2500] |
| 22:37.13 | JademusSreg | However ridiculous and inefficient the approach, you're definitely free to do so, Zol. Time to celebrate! |
| 22:38.31 | JademusSreg | And I corroborate bool only takes up a byte. |
| 22:39.18 | Zolden | JademusSreg: cool, ty for checking |
| 22:39.29 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 22:40.42 | Zolden | JademusSreg: if I'd have to use it, I'd choose something more elegant and less memory consuming (if it would save perfomance too) |
| 22:42.41 | Zolden | actualy it should be a set of vectors with the ability to local search, so If we could check 1/20 of the objects instead of all of them, it would be fine |
| 22:42.48 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 22:43.08 | Zolden | is there a difference betweern bbl and brb? |
| 22:46.35 | Ahli | brb is shorter than bbl? |
| 22:51.11 | Zolden | and brl is between |
| 22:51.48 | Obscene | BBL is longer then BRB |
| 22:52.03 | Obscene | brb usually refers to 10minutes - hour |
| 22:52.10 | Obscene | bbl usually refers to several hours |
| 22:56.07 | Ahli | oh god, I started lol and play aram without any idea what I'm doing |
| 22:56.21 | Ahli | just because I couldn't sleep :X |
| 22:59.36 | Zolden | I started wc3 campaign and realized that they had terrain deformers in wc3 |
| 23:09.17 | Necromoni | ok thanks jademussreg |
| 23:09.25 | Necromoni | wondering why it wasnt working |
| 23:19.34 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
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| 23:31.27 | Juxtapoz | anyone bored wanna help me test my map? |
| 23:32.01 | RiFT | what is it? |
| 23:32.22 | Juxtapoz | it's a CTF shooter with different mechanics |
| 23:34.14 | Necromoni | hi juxta |
| 23:34.19 | Necromoni | ill be on in a bit to help ya |
| 23:34.34 | Juxtapoz | sweet |
| 23:38.29 | Juxtapoz | 1 more for 2v2? |
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