IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20130822

`00:02.28`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Moorhsum (moorhsum@78-27-125-148.bb.dnainternet.fi)`
`00:06.41`	`Vailreth`	`i am never buying a console again`
`00:10.49`	`Obscene`	`why?`
`00:15.16`	`DeadZergling`	`is a little known fact that Vailreth has a deep hatred for the colors red and blue`
`00:15.41`	`DeadZergling`	`PS4 reveals has ruined his console experience forever!`
`00:16.00`	`Obscene`	`:O`
`00:16.21`	`DeadZergling`	`guessing it more has to do w/ BS like xbox gold subscriptions`
`00:16.25`	`DeadZergling`	`or something along those lines, lol`
`00:18.20`	`Psywisp`	`:O`
`00:19.09`	`Psywisp`	`Okay well`
`00:19.13`	`Psywisp`	`I have another question`
`00:20.03`	`DeadZergling`	`Ask it, and we shall rock you hard, with our deep emotion!`
`00:20.15`	`Psywisp`	`What does Player 1, 2, 3 etc. equal? Like, in the game lobby`
`00:20.46`	`DeadZergling`	`depends how game variants are set up`
`00:20.56`	`Psywisp`	`What if it was a 3v3?`
`00:21.06`	`DeadZergling`	`depend how game variants are setup`
`00:21.16`	`DeadZergling`	`could set 1, 2, 3 in team 1 and 4, 5, 6 as team 2`
`00:21.22`	`Psywisp`	`OH`
`00:21.25`	`DeadZergling`	`but could also set 1, 4, 6 as team 1`
`00:21.29`	`Psywisp`	`thank you`
`00:21.31`	`DeadZergling`	`and 2, 3, 5 as team 2`
`00:21.32`	`Psywisp`	`Now I understand`
`00:21.50`	`DeadZergling`	`you're welcome, you have been rocked hard, by my deep emotion!`
`00:21.55`	`Psywisp`	`Okay`
`00:22.14`	`DeadZergling`	`careful what japanese music you listen to`
`00:22.24`	`DeadZergling`	`they say some of the strangest english you ever heard, lol`
`00:22.33`	`Psywisp`	`Not really`
`00:22.42`	`Psywisp`	`Actually what am I saying`
`00:22.57`	`Psywisp`	`If no one told you it was english`
`00:23.02`	`Psywisp`	`you wouldn't think it was`
`00:23.19`	`Psywisp`	`That is exactly what happened to me`
`00:23.25`	`DeadZergling`	`depends if you can hear Japanese well enough to know which is which`
`00:23.33`	`Psywisp`	`Until I decided to look at the subtitles`
`00:23.46`	`Psywisp`	`I mean, after I knew it was english`
`00:23.50`	`Psywisp`	`I could understand it`
`00:23.51`	`DeadZergling`	`is the literal opening to a song anyways :)`
`00:24.10`	`DeadZergling`	`Give into temptation! My promise to you, is to rock you hard, with my deep emotion!`
`00:24.43`	`DeadZergling`	`just so very bad that it is hilarious :)`
`00:26.29`	`Psywisp`	`okay I think I am finally done with the triggers for my map`
`00:26.52`	`Psywisp`	`Well, at least the ones that aren't just copy and paste`
`00:27.00`	`Obscene`	`:/`
`00:27.12`	`Obscene`	`Just realized that blizzard changed half of the actor stuff from drop downs -_-`
`00:27.13`	`Psywisp`	`I love you Obscene`
`00:27.24`	`DeadZergling`	`yay, that means it is problem solving time for Psywisp`
`00:27.24`	`Obscene`	`Its just a bit more tedious now :(`
`00:27.42`	`Psywisp`	`Problem solving time?`
`00:27.49`	`Psywisp`	`do I have to do more work D:`
`00:27.56`	`Psywisp`	`I don't like work`
`00:28.02`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Repo (~repo@76.164.170.2)`
`00:28.04`	`DeadZergling`	`No idea, depends what you got planned for your project`
`00:28.14`	`DeadZergling`	`Don't like work huh, bad idea to work w/ the editor then.`
`00:28.27`	`DeadZergling`	`As you will be doing plenty :)`
`00:28.35`	`Psywisp`	`Well I just need to set when a dialog button is clicked, spawns unit for player 2 etc.`
`00:28.43`	`Psywisp`	`and same for upgrades`
`00:28.53`	`Psywisp`	`and once I'm done with that`
`00:28.55`	`Psywisp`	`rename the dialogs`
`00:29.11`	`DeadZergling`	`dialog item clicked event, any dialog item`
`00:29.26`	`DeadZergling`	`go through a big switch to check through your giant mass of dialog items`
`00:29.46`	`Psywisp`	`There aren't that many`
`00:29.56`	`Psywisp`	`actually nvm`
`00:30.04`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Thenarden (~Miranda@p5B3198E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`00:30.10`	`Psywisp`	`but most of them I just need to copy and paste`
`00:30.15`	`DeadZergling`	`how many are there?`
`00:30.24`	`Psywisp`	`idk I haven't started`
`00:30.34`	`Psywisp`	`but there's one for each of the melee units`
`00:30.43`	`Psywisp`	`I might add some other units in there`
`00:30.58`	`Psywisp`	`Idk how to make actors though`
`00:32.22`	`Psywisp`	`I'm gonna procrastinate now`
`00:33.41`	`Psywisp`	`Whoa, apparently League of Legends got hacked or something`
`00:33.49`	`Psywisp`	`Now they know all our passwords and e-mails`
`00:34.10`	`Psywisp`	`Idk I just got an e-mail notifying that`
`00:34.36`	`DeadZergling`	`Please send your full name, pw, and SSN to verify it is you to reclaim your account?`
`00:34.45`	`Kueken`	`yeah and it probably says "click this link to save your account"`
`00:34.57`	`Psywisp`	`I bet it's a scam`
`00:35.07`	`Kueken`	`nah, Dead, that would be too obvious`
`00:35.16`	`Psywisp`	`well whatever`
`00:35.22`	`Psywisp`	`I never played League anyways xD`
`00:35.41`	`DeadZergling`	`uh yea, that would be a scam`
`00:36.17`	`DeadZergling`	`I got WoW emails reporting how I got caught selling gold in game and how I needed to log in using the link below to clear my name.`
`00:36.35`	`Psywisp`	`lol`
`00:37.11`	`Psywisp`	`Please send us your credit card to clear your name`
`00:37.18`	`Kueken`	`yeah, I get them like once a week`
`00:37.25`	`Kueken`	`I never even played WoW`
`00:37.56`	`DeadZergling`	`was fun times when SOE really was hacked`
`00:38.01`	`Vailreth`	`why will i never buy a console again, they are too much like PCs and Not enough like PCs`
`00:38.15`	`Psywisp`	`but`
`00:38.20`	`Psywisp`	`PC games have scams!`
`00:38.38`	`Vailreth`	`console games ARE scams`
`00:39.01`	`Psywisp`	`Okay let's vote on that :D`
`00:39.09`	`Psywisp`	`Who thinks console games are scams`
`00:39.18`	`Psywisp`	`Question mark`
`00:39.52`	`Vailreth`	`i do`
`00:40.04`	`Vailreth2`	`me too`
`00:40.19`	`Vailreth`	`see thats two`
`00:40.22`	`Psywisp`	`I don't`
`00:40.25`	`Psywisp`	`Wow 2-1`
`00:40.34`	`Psywisp`	`I guess they are scams`
`00:40.38`	`Vailreth`	`hah`
`00:40.45`	`Psywisp`	`:(`
`00:40.47`	`Vailreth`	`ok this is my reasoning`
`00:41.05`	`DeadZergling`	`Who thinks people who get the new football console game every year needs their head examined?`
`00:41.09`	`DeadZergling`	`I do`
`00:41.25`	`Vailreth`	`now thats a Game Scam if i ever heard of one`
`00:41.43`	`Psywisp`	`I agree`
`00:41.44`	`DeadZergling`	`have you ever heard of one?`
`00:41.46`	`Vailreth`	`new rosters, stats, and maybe some neato burrito art`
`00:42.00`	`Vailreth`	`thats what i call DLC`
`00:42.06`	`Vailreth`	`not a whole new game`
`00:42.36`	`Psywisp`	`Well you can easily avoid scams like that`
`00:42.57`	`Vailreth`	`besides i dont even like sports ball`
`00:42.57`	`DeadZergling`	`I do it every day by being too poor to really afford anything`
`00:43.08`	`DeadZergling`	`can't scam me`
`00:43.49`	`Psywisp`	`SC2 IS A SCAM`
`00:44.01`	`Psywisp`	`We've all been scammed`
`00:44.02`	`Vailreth`	`your like Kevin from Ed, Edd, and Eddy`
`00:44.13`	`Psywisp`	`I have no idea what that is`
`00:44.15`	`Psywisp`	`but sure`
`00:44.19`	`Vailreth`	`handsome popular and broke`
`00:44.32`	`Vailreth`	`personally i mean`
`00:45.00`	`Vailreth`	`i recall his family have some stake in Jawbreakers or something`
`00:45.10`	`Psywisp`	`Uh Okay`
`00:45.36`	`Vailreth`	`i may be wrong about the broke part though but Dead is the best looking deceased zergling around`
`00:51.46`	`*** join/#sc2mapster ArcanePariah (~Arcanepar@99-8-167-11.lightspeed.futnca.sbcglobal.net)`
`00:53.41`	`Vailreth`	`Hearthstone, please Blizz invite me`
`00:53.50`	`ArcanePariah`	`lol`
`00:54.06`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`00:54.10`	`ArcanePariah`	`I think I ought to check it out, wonder how they do things different then MTG`
`00:54.30`	`ArcanePariah`	`Seeing as MTG is really the only good TCG around, on and offline`
`00:54.36`	`Vailreth`	`well you acumulate mana crystals every turn`
`00:56.29`	`Vailreth`	`it seems to me to be a very RTS ish card game`
`00:56.44`	`ArcanePariah`	`Interesting`
`00:57.08`	`Vailreth`	`trying to kill the opponent directly why keeping his creature count down so he cant do the same to you`
`00:57.15`	`ArcanePariah`	`Should add some flavor, in contrast to the rigid structure of MTG`
`00:57.23`	`ArcanePariah`	`Ahh, they learned from MTG, good.`
`00:57.39`	`ArcanePariah`	`Namely, creature based decks = fun, rest of the archtypes = unfun`
`00:58.04`	`ArcanePariah`	`(Not my personal opinion, I preferred combo decks and outright winning in 2-4 turns)`
`00:58.07`	`Vailreth`	`while cards can attack the heros directly its sometimes wiser to trade your units to kill theres and such`
`00:58.43`	`Vailreth`	`id love to see what its like from a game developers standpoint`
`00:59.09`	`ArcanePariah`	`They probably took a very very hard long look at MTG history on what does and does not work`
`00:59.36`	`Vailreth`	`yeah.`
`01:00.00`	`ArcanePariah`	`MTG had to learn some very harsh lessons on what is not ok in a TCG, and some of the best/worst periods of Magic were dominated by those mistakees (Combo Winter, Affinity, Fairies, Necro)`
`01:00.46`	`ArcanePariah`	`Dunno how much MTG you played, did you ever play back in Combo Winter?`
`01:00.57`	`Vailreth`	`no i dont play it`
`01:01.01`	`Vailreth`	`cant afford it`
`01:01.16`	`ArcanePariah`	`Ahh... yeah, it was... well, losing turn 1 or 2 was not enjoyable for most`
`01:01.33`	`ArcanePariah`	`You either played the top deck or got rolled by it`
`01:01.37`	`Vailreth`	`i would assume not`
`01:01.42`	`Vailreth`	`ouch`
`01:01.59`	`Vailreth`	`i am working on a card game of my own`
`01:02.34`	`ArcanePariah`	`And the worst part of such decks... you don't get to do jack squat, the deck comboed out and could turn one deck you, force you to draw (perfect scenario) over 500 cards if it wanted (collosal overkill, but gives you an idea)`
`01:03.10`	`Vailreth`	`ee oouch`
`01:03.13`	`ArcanePariah`	`In mtg, 3 ways to lose, lose all your life, be forced to draw and have no card, or have card say you lose`
`01:03.20`	`ArcanePariah`	`you start with 60...`
`01:03.22`	`ArcanePariah`	`So yeah..`
`01:04.01`	`ArcanePariah`	`Key lessons for you then, from a game design point of view, do not, under any circumstances, make cards that can cheat your resource system or alter the odds`
`01:04.31`	`ArcanePariah`	`Things that can manipulate the deck = bad juju, cards that produce more then 1 of a resource = bad idea`
`01:04.45`	`ArcanePariah`	`Most powerful cards in all of magic history did one of those 2`
`01:05.08`	`Vailreth`	`there is only one resource in my game.. all cards either use it or make it`
`01:05.49`	`ArcanePariah`	`Yeah, just do not let any card make more of a resource then it costs`
`01:06.13`	`ThunderLord`	`anyone wana beta test a game tonight?`
`01:08.51`	`Vailreth`	`the way the game i am working on works every card has a combinaytion of three costs a play cost, and upkeep cost and an activation cost. but i wonder how to ballance the play and upkeep costs for cards that produce resource with a positive up keep amount`
`01:11.58`	`Vailreth`	`sorry thunder but i cant`
`01:15.33`	`ThunderLord`	`its cool. ur working on somthing important :D`
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`01:18.43`	`Obscene`	`-_-`
`01:18.49`	`Obscene`	`latest patch broke Terms...`
`01:18.54`	`Obscene`	`in Events +`
`01:19.01`	`Obscene`	`anytime I try to add a term editor crashes`
`01:20.19`	`*** join/#sc2mapster nooblark (nooblark@c-68-83-58-11.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)`
`01:20.49`	`Obscene`	`Hey nooblark, hows it going`
`01:22.19`	`nooblark`	`pretty good`
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`01:22.36`	`nooblark`	`you?`
`01:23.28`	`Obscene`	`Pretty good working on evo`
`01:26.11`	`Vailreth`	`is it a particular actor or all actors that the terms dont work in ?`
`01:26.55`	`nooblark`	`tainted changed his name, again :O`
`01:32.47`	`Obscene`	`Lol yeah nooblark, I learned not to apologize in public`
`01:32.48`	`Obscene`	`http://i.imgur.com/dGHRj6j.jpg`
`01:32.55`	`Obscene`	`There thats with the re-texure and all`
`01:34.30`	`Obscene`	`Hey vailreth, you think you can make all his weapons work when he attacks?`
`01:34.49`	`Obscene`	`a beam, a cannon, and a machine gun`
`01:35.15`	`Obscene`	`also i need to add attack stuff to Ten Piece`
`01:35.46`	`Vailreth`	`what is it? and maybe`
`01:36.15`	`Obscene`	`http://i.imgur.com/dGHRj6j.jpg`
`01:36.17`	`Obscene`	`that unit`
`01:36.23`	`Obscene`	`Built with attachments of course`
`01:36.27`	`Vailreth`	`i dont think i will be able to work on it tonight i am getting ready to watch day9 and do some art stuff`
`01:36.45`	`Obscene`	`yeah not tonight :P`
`01:36.49`	`Obscene`	`I wanna so more stuff tonight`
`01:37.45`	`Vailreth`	`oh do you know a quick way of making wireframes?`
`01:38.08`	`Obscene`	`uhh looking at the ones you made, I can make them`
`01:38.38`	`Obscene`	`but otherwise no`
`01:38.41`	`Vailreth`	`ok its basically just making a screen shot black and white and adjusting the levels`
`01:39.01`	`Vailreth`	`make sure the background is black add some alpha and poof`
`01:39.07`	`Obscene`	`gotcha`
`01:42.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Zoooop.`
`01:42.07`	`Vailreth`	`hey Jade`
`01:42.33`	`JademusSreg`	`The extra o's denote my continued enthusiasm for a design I'm cultivating.`
`01:42.56`	`Obscene`	`thats almost 3 extra o's!`
`01:42.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi thar Vail. Manage to implement the TPS lib or did I break something?`
`01:43.21`	`Vailreth`	`dont know havent been working on a project that needs it`
`01:43.46`	`JademusSreg`	`No worries. Merely curious. Your feedback will be instrumental in its refinement.`
`01:44.05`	`Vailreth`	`i will give some when i can`
`01:44.28`	`Vailreth`	`right now i am trying to find a work around for a broken functionality`
`01:44.53`	`JademusSreg`	`No rush 60min. /baduntiss`
`01:45.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Arc, regarding your design advice, you neglected the caveat "unless it comes at a significant cost".`
`01:46.13`	`Vailreth`	`i am using two buffs and an attribute to create a slowing debuff that gets worse over time`
`01:46.38`	`Vailreth`	`basically that can be stacked 9 time to making the debuffed unit slower each stack`
`01:47.04`	`JademusSreg`	`One buff to mod the attribute, and the other to do what?`
`01:47.27`	`Vailreth`	`one buff controlls the attribute and the stacking buff`
`01:47.48`	`JademusSreg`	`In what way?`
`01:48.15`	`Vailreth`	`the controllbuff removes them under circumstances`
`01:49.25`	`Vailreth`	`i was toying around with diffrent setups at one time the controll buff was responsible for applying and removing both the attribute and the stack buff`
`01:51.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Hm, I had a similar or identical system, actually.`
`01:52.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Just need to find the map.`
`01:52.37`	`Vailreth`	`the glitch i am having is that the duration override dosent check the validator assinged it correctly`
`01:53.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Hm.`
`01:54.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Correctly as in -at all-, the reverse of what was expected, during certain kinds of updates, or undefined?`
`01:55.52`	`Vailreth`	`when the stack is higher than two and counts down past two and the validator should fail it continues to be pass`
`01:56.17`	`Vailreth`	`how ever if the stack reach two and no higher than the validtor acts correctly and fails at 1`
`01:56.58`	`Vailreth`	`i think its something about counting the attribute`
`01:57.41`	`Vailreth`	`it appears to be an inconsitency in the validator and attributes magament of their indices`
`01:58.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Erm, brb`
`02:24.05`	`Obscene`	`..`
`02:24.08`	`Obscene`	`Why.. oh why...`
`02:24.32`	`Obscene`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:28.24`	`Vailreth`	`I fixed It`
`02:28.30`	`Vailreth`	`er my issue anyway`
`02:29.34`	`ThunderLord`	`Anyone else feel like beta testing a game tonight?`
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`02:34.14`	`Obscene`	`:/`
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`02:37.53`	`Obscene`	`This is anger inducing -_-`
`02:40.20`	`Wrath`	`Hmm...`
`02:40.25`	`Wrath`	`Hey JademusSreg, you there?`
`02:40.55`	`Vailreth`	`he is brbed`
`02:41.02`	`Wrath`	`Mmm. Okay.`
`02:41.04`	`Wrath`	`Thanks.`
`02:41.31`	`Vailreth`	`whats the issue?`
`02:41.56`	`Vailreth`	`if its trigger or custom code related im no help but if its data i may be able to`
`02:42.27`	`Wrath`	`It's very trigger/ui related :P`
`02:42.52`	`Vailreth`	`ah`
`02:43.18`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Frinckles (637dfe68@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.125.254.104)`
`02:55.37`	`Vailreth`	`well this is odd i imported a lib and now i cant create triggers anywhere but inside that lib`
`02:56.05`	`Wrath`	`Did you not have any other triggers yet?`
`02:56.14`	`Vailreth`	`np`
`02:56.20`	`Wrath`	`Huh... Weird lol`
`03:10.35`	`Repo`	`New map: AnimeTD - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/animetd/`
`03:10.35`	`Repo`	`New map: To the Moon Starcraft version - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/moon-starcraft-version/`
`03:14.23`	`Wrath`	`Wow, crazy stuff.`
`03:16.20`	`Necromoni`	`to the moon`
`03:16.22`	`Necromoni`	`as in`
`03:16.29`	`Necromoni`	`Indie game made by rpg maker to the moon?`
`03:16.56`	`Vailreth`	`hmm`
`03:17.00`	`Necromoni`	`Repo`
`03:17.07`	`Vailreth`	`its a bot`
`03:17.58`	`Necromoni`	`O.o`
`03:18.22`	`Necromoni`	`does that bot tell u everytime a new map was published?`
`03:18.25`	`Vailreth`	`what you didnt know repo is the mapster chat newbot?`
`03:18.26`	`Necromoni`	`lol`
`03:18.35`	`Vailreth`	`news*`
`03:18.37`	`Necromoni`	`nop`
`03:18.41`	`Necromoni`	`i never seen him before`
`03:18.44`	`Vailreth`	`new maps and other assets`
`03:19.01`	`Necromoni`	`well shit`
`03:19.30`	`Obscene`	`He also will give free beer if you ask him nicely, but only to people he likes`
`03:19.32`	`Necromoni`	`can people edit ur maps if u make it downloadable off sc2mapster`
`03:19.48`	`Vailreth`	`i would think so`
`03:19.50`	`Necromoni`	`and btw To the moon is a good story`
`03:20.00`	`Necromoni`	`if anyone wants a good story they should try that map`
`03:20.08`	`Necromoni`	`though it's not original`
`03:20.23`	`Necromoni`	`looks like alot of work to make`
`03:20.31`	`Vailreth`	`what is original in this world`
`03:21.01`	`Necromoni`	`i meant the sc2`
`03:21.02`	`Necromoni`	`version`
`03:21.04`	`Necromoni`	`isnt`
`03:21.05`	`Necromoni`	`obviously`
`03:21.05`	`Necromoni`	`k`
`03:21.45`	`Vailreth`	`heh`
`03:22.07`	`Vailreth`	`how is your map coming ?`
`03:24.15`	`Psywisp`	`I broke my 3rd lamp`
`03:24.37`	`Psywisp`	`I am now on my 4th`
`03:24.44`	`Psywisp`	`Isn't that great`
`03:28.35`	`Vailreth`	`hm`
`03:48.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Zoop.`
`03:48.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Back.`
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`04:19.50`	`Obscene`	`quit zoopin around before you hurt someone....`
`04:29.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, couldn't hurt someone. Not accidentally, anyway.`
`04:30.49`	`Obscene`	`lol`
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`04:32.22`	`MoonEater916`	`holas`
`04:38.09`	`Obscene`	`Bonjour`
`04:43.25`	`Psywisp`	`hi friends`
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`04:59.13`	`djphiliptan`	`Hi folks. Does anyone know how to reduce the space between leaderboard rows in Custom UI? (there's a constant "ObserverListGap" but I don't know how to alter it)`
`04:59.47`	`Lepton`	`may I suggest making your own leaderboard?`
`05:00.09`	`djphiliptan`	`In a custom UI? (i.e. not a mod)`
`05:00.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Ahli is most experienced with custom Observer interfaces. Or do you refer to a map UI?`
`05:00.52`	`Ahli`	`bye, cu at gamescom if anyone is going there`
`05:01.07`	`Obscene`	`By Ahli have fun`
`05:01.08`	`Ahli`	`I'm gone for the next 15 hours :D`
`05:01.10`	`Lepton`	`ah`
`05:01.12`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`05:01.18`	`djphiliptan`	`Looks like I just missed Ahli. oh well, have fun`
`05:01.21`	`*** part/#sc2mapster Ahli (~qqqq@dslb-088-078-130-009.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`05:01.22`	`Obscene`	`Sneak me a hearth stone beta`
`05:01.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Bring back all the shrimp.`
`05:01.23`	`Obscene`	`haha`
`05:01.36`	`Obscene`	`he left before our demands jademus!!!`
`05:01.39`	`Obscene`	`that was dirty`
`05:02.10`	`djphiliptan`	`This is custom UI, but if there's a way to do it with Map UI (i.e. XML-only) that information would be useful`
`05:03.06`	`Lepton`	`so however high i put that weapons damage it only does 10 to immortal shield`
`05:10.07`	`Lepton`	`anyone got a clue?`
`05:10.17`	`MoonEater916`	`Obscene lolz`
`05:10.23`	`MoonEater916`	`they were ripping on u in the appology`
`05:10.28`	`MoonEater916`	`XD`
`05:10.40`	`Obscene`	`dont care`
`05:10.46`	`MoonEater916`	`just trololoing`
`05:10.47`	`MoonEater916`	`XD`
`05:10.50`	`MoonEater916`	`u know i love u`
`05:10.51`	`MoonEater916`	`XD`
`05:10.55`	`MoonEater916`	`anways`
`05:11.09`	`MoonEater916`	`is there a reason why in arcade loby i cant designate observers?`
`05:11.41`	`MoonEater916`	`Lepton`
`05:11.44`	`MoonEater916`	`theres a behavior`
`05:11.52`	`MoonEater916`	`that locks max damage to 10`
`05:11.58`	`MoonEater916`	`remove it`
`05:11.59`	`JademusSreg`	`dj, would need to know more about the design before suggesting anything.`
`05:12.09`	`Lepton`	`what, hardened shield does that?`
`05:12.14`	`MoonEater916`	`yes`
`05:12.16`	`Lepton`	`to all attack types?`
`05:12.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`05:12.24`	`Lepton`	`i thought it was only`
`05:12.25`	`Lepton`	`oh wow`
`05:12.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Just take a look at the data.`
`05:12.50`	`MoonEater916`	`Jade is there a way to allow observers in lobby or is it removed?`
`05:13.12`	`JademusSreg`	`For pub games, pretty sure that's a firm "no".`
`05:13.19`	`JademusSreg`	`For custom games, sure.`
`05:13.24`	`Lepton`	`can you put an ecception only if the damage comes froma particular unit?`
`05:13.26`	`MoonEater916`	`ah`
`05:13.29`	`JademusSreg`	`The difference being Join and Create.`
`05:13.42`	`MoonEater916`	`Lepton, probably`
`05:13.57`	`MoonEater916`	`MoonEater916, i would do it via trigger personaly`
`05:14.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Lep, sure. You'd need to add a validator to the behavior damage response shit.`
`05:14.04`	`Lepton`	`i meant unit type`
`05:14.06`	`Lepton`	`nto unit`
`05:14.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Moon, you would.`
`05:14.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Lep, validator.`
`05:14.45`	`djphiliptan`	`Jademus: I'm looking at Ahli's GameHeart Custom UI, and wondering if there's a way to squish the leaderboard rows so there are no gaps in between.`
`05:15.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure. Change the value. I don't have his layout xml open, so I can't say with much accuracy, but it's probably a constant value.`
`05:16.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Change the value for the constant, and it should achieve something.`
`05:16.54`	`djphiliptan`	`The thing is that "ObserverListGap" is not in his code, it's in the default LeaderBoard XML for the UI frame, so when I create the same constant in Ahli's code with a different value, it changes nothing`
`05:17.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Take a look at the frames for the rows, see what values they use.`
`05:17.52`	`ArcanePariah`	`Lep, what you can do for damage responses is include damage effects that are excluded, and thus will not be reduced or afffected`
`05:18.23`	`ArcanePariah`	`So for the Damage Response just add the damage effects that you do not want reduced`
`05:18.34`	`ArcanePariah`	`into the Exclude effect field`
`05:18.46`	`MoonEater916`	`Obscene, thats it lets occupy until tainted wisp is allowed back`
`05:18.57`	`MoonEater916`	`OCCUPY IRC!!!`
`05:18.59`	`djphiliptan`	`Jademus: Yeah, I've done that and tried to change all of them to see what happens on screen, and I just can't find a variable that specifies the gaps.`
`05:19.09`	`Obscene`	`why?`
`05:19.17`	`Obscene`	`I'm good`
`05:19.24`	`ArcanePariah`	`Conversly, you can also add effects to the required effects field, so the damage response ONLY occurs of those effects`
`05:19.26`	`Obscene`	`I have no plans to cause trouble.`
`05:20.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Either it uses a constant or it defines the offsets manually. Hopefully you're looking in the correct template.`
`05:20.27`	`MoonEater916`	`Obscene except porn flakes?`
`05:20.41`	`Obscene`	`:/`
`05:21.00`	`djphiliptan`	`I'm guessing constant, since there is one called "ObserverListGap" in Blizzard's code anyway. But I can't see anywhere in Blizzard's code where that constant is actually used.`
`05:21.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Hm.`
`05:22.11`	`MoonEater916`	`This blows no testers`
`05:22.16`	`MoonEater916`	`now im stuck here with u guys`
`05:22.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Nope, not used in the standard code.`
`05:22.19`	`MoonEater916`	`what my luck`
`05:24.01`	`djphiliptan`	`My brain is fried, maybe sleep will help. Good luck with all y'all projects`
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`05:37.08`	`Lepton`	`validator worked great MoonEater916`
`05:37.10`	`Lepton`	`ty`
`05:37.16`	`MoonEater916`	`I AM AWAKENED`
`05:37.19`	`MoonEater916`	`ya np`
`05:37.21`	`MoonEater916`	`XD`
`05:37.26`	`MoonEater916`	`but`
`05:37.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`05:37.30`	`MoonEater916`	`u should thank jade`
`05:37.34`	`MoonEater916`	`since`
`05:37.37`	`MoonEater916`	`he said validator`
`05:38.06`	`JademusSreg`	`I say lots of words; it's only a matter of time until I accidentally solve something or another.`
`05:38.14`	`Lepton`	`Kappa`
`05:39.16`	`MoonEater916`	`JademusSreg u ahve a title or a search that will get me the list of sc2 wol cutscene?`
`05:39.25`	`MoonEater916`	`cant find it in forum for some reason`
`05:39.29`	`MoonEater916`	`brain farting or somthign`
`05:39.41`	`JademusSreg`	`From the editor?`
`05:39.55`	`Lepton`	`only a little problem, validator works whatever the targeting unit is :P`
`05:39.58`	`MoonEater916`	`for the editor i guess`
`05:40.08`	`MoonEater916`	`i want to see how blizzard did thier cutscenes and such`
`05:40.26`	`JademusSreg`	`You should look at the HotS cutscenes instead.`
`05:41.02`	`JademusSreg`	`The file extension for WoL scenes is .SC2Scene`
`05:41.16`	`MoonEater916`	`well i dont have hots`
`05:41.28`	`MoonEater916`	`so i think there would be a dependancy issue`
`05:41.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Whereas Swarm uses the extension .SC2Cutscene`
`05:42.11`	`MoonEater916`	`brb found a tester`
`05:42.14`	`JademusSreg`	`There are quite different, but both are interesting.`
`05:42.16`	`MoonEater916`	`hold this convo for later`
`05:44.29`	`JademusSreg`	`*They`
`05:50.09`	`Lepton`	`I used the uynit type validator`
`05:50.39`	`Lepton`	`set to ghost and enabled validator find`
`05:51.08`	`Lepton`	`yet it returns false whatever is firering at it`
`05:51.33`	`JademusSreg`	`References.`
`05:51.39`	`Lepton`	`ill try putting hte damage effect`
`05:51.42`	`Lepton`	`instead of unit`
`05:51.44`	`Lepton`	`that might do it`
`05:51.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Rather, the location references, such as Target Unit, Source Unit.`
`05:52.18`	`JademusSreg`	`The Immortal is always not Ghost.`
`05:52.28`	`Obscene`	`Jademus, Use your hyper thought process and come up with a map title for me to rename my map!!!!! something taht will garner instnat popularity`
`05:53.20`	`JademusSreg`	`So much fun to be had with that request.`
`05:53.40`	`Obscene`	`Without it being Hentai TD...`
`05:53.47`	`Obscene`	`Thats tempting but it would get my battle.net account banned`
`05:53.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Battlenet: The Unofficially Not-Licensed Game of the Movie`
`05:54.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Judd Apatow's Superbanned`
`05:54.33`	`JademusSreg`	`SimShitty`
`05:55.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Dances with Wisps`
`05:55.35`	`Obscene`	`Evolves Legends.`
`05:55.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Explosions and Shit`
`05:55.58`	`Obscene`	`Nixons head of wackyness`
`05:56.43`	`Obscene`	`yeah people hate the name... Evo-Frenzy`
`05:56.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Destructothon Splattergore Fuckfrenzy`
`05:56.50`	`Obscene`	`They hate the part that says frenzy`
`05:57.46`	`JademusSreg`	`The New Super Gloryhole Bros`
`05:59.07`	`JademusSreg`	`A Complete And Total Disregard For Property Damage`
`05:59.25`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`05:59.30`	`MoonEater916`	`im abck`
`05:59.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Of Mice and Cowmen`
`05:59.35`	`MoonEater916`	`u guys habving fun it seems`
`05:59.55`	`MoonEater916`	`had a tester... then my game divided by zero...`
`06:00.03`	`MoonEater916`	`and crashesed half the triggers`
`06:00.20`	`Obscene`	`lawl`
`06:00.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Facepuncher`
`06:00.49`	`MoonEater916`	`;/`
`06:00.49`	`Obscene`	`uhg... I love this hero...`
`06:00.50`	`Obscene`	`http://i.imgur.com/dGHRj6j.jpg`
`06:00.59`	`Obscene`	`but i cant get it to work properly..`
`06:01.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Trigger Crashers`
`06:01.16`	`Obscene`	`when I test game, all the attachmetns fall into the floor`
`06:03.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Genital Wars`
`06:03.20`	`MoonEater916`	`;/`
`06:03.32`	`JademusSreg`	`The Safety Dance`
`06:04.45`	`MoonEater916`	`^ LOLZ`
`06:04.47`	`JademusSreg`	`A Night In Paris III: Blood, All Over, Just Blood Everywhere, Damn, So Much Blood`
`06:05.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Post-Subtitle: Wow, Really Quite A Lot Of Blood, More Than One Would Expect`
`06:05.59`	`Psywisp`	`Perhaps too much blood?`
`06:06.20`	`Psywisp`	`The blood floods the cities`
`06:06.39`	`Psywisp`	`Turning all water in the world into a mixture of blood and water`
`06:06.53`	`Psywisp`	`The blood fills up the atmosphere`
`06:06.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Castlevania: Return to Whimseyshire`
`06:07.11`	`Psywisp`	`Turning the earth into a red ball of blood`
`06:07.25`	`Psywisp`	`the blood covers the entire solar system`
`06:07.36`	`*** join/#sc2mapster duckies (50e88a7e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.232.138.126)`
`06:07.39`	`Psywisp`	`Not even the sun's heat can scorch the amount of blood`
`06:07.50`	`Psywisp`	`Outside the galaxy`
`06:07.57`	`Psywisp`	`And the entire universe`
`06:08.00`	`Psywisp`	`is covered in blood`
`06:08.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Battletoads: Delux Edition with exclusive Director's Cut: seconds of additional pixels!`
`06:10.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Big Handsome Bros: Battlehugs`
`06:10.31`	`JademusSreg`	`The McRib Is Back`
`06:10.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Litigation Magnet`
`06:12.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Penetratémon: Gotta Catch Em All (And Get Tested)`
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`06:13.46`	`JademusSreg`	`And that's all for now. I see plenty of solid contenders.`
`06:14.01`	`Lepton`	`jade I just cant seem to get this to work`
`06:14.16`	`Lepton`	`what values would you use for validator:unit - value`
`06:15.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Hm, I'll open the editor and take a look.`
`06:15.51`	`Lepton`	`i tried like everything.`
`06:21.04`	`Lepton`	`not that easy eh? Kappa`
`06:21.06`	`JademusSreg`	`I see. No validator field where I expected it. In which case, Arc's solution is optimal.`
`06:22.21`	`Lepton`	`arc?`
`06:22.37`	`Obscene`	`I am about to make a prediction`
`06:22.43`	`Obscene`	`New WoW expansion announcement tomorrow`
`06:23.08`	`Obscene`	`Why? cause I said so`
`06:23.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Scroll up; I refer to Arcane.`
`06:23.37`	`ArcanePariah`	`Lol, next WoW Expo is a given, they going to go face Azhshara`
`06:23.54`	`ArcanePariah`	`Only remaning super powerful being in the world`
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`06:26.08`	`ArcanePariah`	`I'm guessing they have next expansion, then 1 more (Fight burning legion in twisting nether) and then they will be done`
`06:27.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Forgetting Sargeras. The first zone will be the titan's enormous rectum.`
`06:28.44`	`ArcanePariah`	`Maybe, but Sargeras is very very weak atm, I do not know if he has regain much ofh is power. The sole remaining demon is Kiljaedin`
`06:34.13`	`MoonEater916`	`jade predicted that the WC and SC universes will merge`
`06:34.18`	`MoonEater916`	`that was a long time ago tho`
`06:36.11`	`Lepton`	`ArcanePariah, it worked pretty well, and elegant too tks`
`06:36.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Titans == Xel'Naga, Burning Legion are cousins of the demons of Sanctuary.`
`06:41.38`	`Obscene`	`Any of these stick out? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/93971126/Names.txt`
`06:41.39`	`Bommes`	`Don't they still have plenty of stuff? Like a lot of old gods, a lot of burning legion stuff should still be alive`
`06:41.44`	`Bommes`	`Sargeras`
`06:42.37`	`Obscene`	`Theres still 3 old gods, 2 full zones.`
`06:42.48`	`Obscene`	`Down Below, and Twisting Nether are whats left`
`06:43.38`	`Bommes`	`so 2 more expansions?`
`06:43.42`	`Obscene`	`most likely`
`06:43.56`	`Obscene`	`Unless they surprise me and go for 2 zones in one expansion`
`06:44.05`	`Bommes`	`makes sense with the leveling progression too, one up to 95, the other one 100`
`06:44.32`	`Obscene`	`Theres also the emerald dream`
`06:45.32`	`Bommes`	`too bad the pvp scene in WoW is pretty dead, otherwise I would probably still play it`
`06:45.50`	`Bommes`	`at least on the german speaking EU servers it is`
`06:46.21`	`Obscene`	`Thats because they over simplified the game to the point were people who do enjoy pvp refuse to play it`
`06:47.11`	`Psywisp`	`Hey I have another question`
`06:47.15`	`Psywisp`	`:p`
`06:47.16`	`Obscene`	`?`
`06:47.19`	`Obscene`	`42.`
`06:47.32`	`Psywisp`	`How do you set it to show the player name instead of "Player 1"?`
`06:49.56`	`Psywisp`	`Oh nvm I found it`
`07:16.11`	`Psywisp`	`throughout making this map`
`07:16.18`	`Psywisp`	`I've learned much about the editor`
`07:16.21`	`Psywisp`	`When I started`
`07:16.28`	`Psywisp`	`I had no idea what a variable was`
`07:22.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
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`07:25.38`	`Psywisp`	`hi helral`
`07:25.43`	`Psywisp`	`I thought you went to sleep`
`07:30.54`	`Helral_`	`I'm already awake`
`07:31.00`	`Psywisp`	`Oh`
`07:31.05`	`Psywisp`	`How long did you sleep for?`
`07:31.05`	`Helral_`	`my modem just got replaced.`
`07:31.13`	`Helral_`	`around 7 hours or 8.`
`07:31.17`	`Psywisp`	`Huh`
`07:31.26`	`Psywisp`	`Didn't seem like it was that long ago...`
`07:31.30`	`Obscene`	`I knew it Helral is really a computer, "Asleep" while the modem was being replaced!`
`07:31.30`	`Helral_`	`hehehe`
`07:31.37`	`Psywisp`	`:O`
`07:31.48`	`Helral_`	`~Helral`
`07:31.48`	`purl`	`hmm... helral is an evil ethereal random kitten who must not be let near laser pens.`
`07:31.50`	`Psywisp`	`Kill all the bots`
`07:31.57`	`Psywisp`	`hmm`
`07:32.01`	`Helral_`	`meows innocently`
`07:32.03`	`Psywisp`	`I have a laser pen`
`07:32.05`	`Psywisp`	`Right here`
`07:32.20`	`Psywisp`	`Do you want it?`
`07:32.26`	`Psywisp`	`destroys laser pen`
`07:32.31`	`Psywisp`	`too bad :D`
`07:32.52`	`Helral`	`Psywisp: http://xkcd.com/729/`
`07:33.01`	`Psywisp`	`I bet that's a virus`
`07:33.07`	`Psywisp`	`Ever since I got a virus`
`07:33.15`	`Helral`	`it isn't but you may believe that if you want.`
`07:33.22`	`Psywisp`	`I have been paranoid about links being viruses`
`07:33.24`	`Psywisp`	`:x`
`07:33.32`	`Helral`	`http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/laser_pointer.png <-- that better then?`
`07:33.45`	`Psywisp`	`hm...`
`07:33.48`	`Psywisp`	`I have to make sure`
`07:33.51`	`Psywisp`	`xkcd.com is safe`
`07:34.20`	`Psywisp`	`OK It's safe`
`07:34.39`	`Psywisp`	`lol`
`07:34.43`	`Helral`	`think Obscene followed the link`
`07:34.53`	`Psywisp`	`Yeah`
`07:34.56`	`Helral`	`without using a new window.`
`07:34.58`	`Psywisp`	`good thing I didn't clikc on it!`
`07:35.03`	`Helral`	`lol`
`07:35.10`	`Psywisp`	`Actually I did`
`07:35.17`	`Psywisp`	`But in a new window ^^`
`07:35.23`	`Helral`	`^.^`
`07:35.35`	`Helral`	`reason why I must not be let near laserpens :P`
`07:35.41`	`Psywisp`	`Yeah`
`07:35.50`	`Psywisp`	`Good thing I broke that one I had...`
`07:35.54`	`Psywisp`	`Poor penny...`
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`07:36.51`	`Helral`	`hmmm repo is here everyone hide....`
`07:36.59`	`Psywisp`	`hides`
`07:37.09`	`Psywisp`	`in a cardboard box`
`07:37.11`	`Helral`	`first time someone listened.`
`07:37.17`	`Helral`	`ow you just went home...`
`07:37.23`	`Psywisp`	`Wow`
`07:37.30`	`Psywisp`	`.ignore Helral`
`07:37.33`	`Helral`	`hehehe`
`07:37.47`	`Psywisp`	`How is that not actually a command D:`
`07:37.57`	`Helral`	`hmmm?`
`07:38.12`	`Helral`	`~ignore`
`07:38.18`	`Psywisp`	`:o`
`07:38.27`	`Psywisp`	`~ignore Clouds`
`07:38.27`	`purl`	`ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, Clouds!"`
`07:38.31`	`Helral`	`hahaha`
`07:38.35`	`Psywisp`	`uhhh`
`07:38.36`	`Psywisp`	`Okay`
`07:38.41`	`Psywisp`	`~kill Clouds`
`07:38.41`	`purl`	`ACTION shoots a charged anti-graviton gun at Clouds`
`07:38.44`	`Psywisp`	`haha`
`07:38.48`	`Psywisp`	`No more clouds`
`07:38.48`	`Helral`	`~give Psywisp bomb`
`07:38.48`	`purl`	`ACTION gives bomb to Psywisp`
`07:38.54`	`Helral`	`:P`
`07:38.56`	`Psywisp`	`~bomb Clouds`
`07:38.56`	`purl`	`ACTION drops a humongous exploding nuke on Clouds`
`07:39.00`	`Helral`	`lol`
`07:39.02`	`Psywisp`	`:D`
`07:39.06`	`Helral`	`poor clouds`
`07:39.09`	`Psywisp`	`No`
`07:39.16`	`Helral`	`~tickle Clouds`
`07:39.16`	`purl`	`ACTION jumps on Clouds, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!"`
`07:39.16`	`Psywisp`	`Don't feel bad for clouds`
`07:39.25`	`Psywisp`	`"Thank god for water"`
`07:39.36`	`Psywisp`	`"you know, I don't really like getting wet"`
`07:39.37`	`Helral`	`I'd rather not thank god for it.`
`07:39.50`	`Psywisp`	`"Thank clouds for water"`
`07:39.53`	`Helral`	`water is scary. it gets my fur all wet....`
`07:39.58`	`Psywisp`	`:(`
`07:40.05`	`Psywisp`	`I'm a wisp`
`07:40.14`	`Helral`	`and people don't like it when I shake off the water onto them....`
`07:40.25`	`Psywisp`	`Yeah`
`07:40.34`	`Psywisp`	`Who would like that...`
`07:40.41`	`Helral`	`hmmmm plants?`
`07:40.51`	`Psywisp`	`What's a plant`
`07:41.21`	`Helral`	`... should I really answer?`
`07:41.30`	`Psywisp`	`Yes`
`07:41.38`	`Helral`	`e.g. a flower`
`07:41.39`	`Psywisp`	`I am curious`
`07:41.43`	`Psywisp`	`OH`
`07:41.48`	`Psywisp`	`So that's what a flower is...`
`07:41.58`	`Helral`	`...`
`07:42.10`	`Psywisp`	`,,,`
`07:42.13`	`Helral`	`meows confused`
`07:42.17`	`Psywisp`	`I'm doing it wrong`
`07:42.28`	`Helral`	`,,, <-- is wrong :P`
`07:42.48`	`Helral`	`is a kitten`
`07:42.54`	`Psywisp`	`is a wisp`
`07:43.02`	`Helral`	`goes hunting wisps.`
`07:43.08`	`Psywisp`	`NO`
`07:43.12`	`Psywisp`	`Why would you hunt wisps`
`07:43.12`	`Helral`	`what?`
`07:43.23`	`Helral`	`because it is fun and I usually just pass through them.`
`07:43.23`	`Psywisp`	`We just circle around trees`
`07:43.29`	`Psywisp`	`and collect lumber`
`07:43.55`	`Helral`	`are you Will by any chance?`
`07:44.05`	`Psywisp`	`What's a Will`
`07:44.07`	`Helral`	`Will O Wisp`
`07:44.11`	`Helral`	`:P`
`07:44.18`	`Psywisp`	`Will'o the wisp`
`07:44.32`	`Psywisp`	`No, then I would burn the trees`
`07:44.40`	`Psywisp`	`And the elves would be mad at me`
`07:44.47`	`Psywisp`	`and probably execute me`
`07:44.48`	`Psywisp`	`or something`
`07:45.36`	`Helral`	`a wisp is a bundle of sticks or paper sometimes used as a torch...`
`07:45.39`	`Helral`	`hmm never knew that.`
`07:48.15`	`Psywisp`	`Well`
`07:48.21`	`Psywisp`	`My chat lagged`
`07:48.24`	`Psywisp`	`lol`
`07:48.39`	`Psywisp`	`There are multiple variants of wisps`
`07:49.06`	`Helral`	`one set on fire the other one not?`
`07:49.14`	`Psywisp`	`yeah`
`07:49.18`	`Helral`	`hmmm maybe I should go do some shopping.`
`07:49.20`	`Psywisp`	`for example`
`07:49.31`	`Psywisp`	`Will O Wisps`
`07:49.33`	`Psywisp`	`are set on fire`
`07:50.11`	`Helral`	`and Psy O Wisps?`
`07:50.39`	`Psywisp`	`Well`
`07:50.51`	`Psywisp`	`I am not allowed to reveal what I can do`
`07:50.54`	`Helral`	`picks up a match, lights it and tosses it to Psywisp.`
`07:51.05`	`Psywisp`	`UIEHFIIC`
`07:51.07`	`Psywisp`	`DUAXJ`
`07:51.16`	`Psywisp`	`jumps in a lake`
`07:51.34`	`Psywisp`	`adds: And by jump I mean floats`
`07:51.34`	`Helral`	`meows innocently`
`07:52.05`	`Helral`	`hmmm note to self, Psywisps are afraid of fire.`
`07:52.18`	`Psywisp`	`Actually`
`07:52.39`	`Psywisp`	`All wisps, other than water and ice related wisps, are afraid of fire`
`07:52.53`	`Helral`	`what about the fire related wisps?`
`07:53.03`	`Psywisp`	`Oh, and those too`
`07:53.05`	`Psywisp`	`I forgot`
`07:53.08`	`Helral`	`hehehe`
`07:53.09`	`Psywisp`	`xD`
`07:53.31`	`Helral`	`so you live in the marshes?`
`07:53.52`	`Psywisp`	`No`
`07:53.57`	`Helral`	`damn :(`
`07:54.03`	`Psywisp`	`I live in a forest, on an isand`
`07:54.05`	`Psywisp`	`island*`
`07:54.11`	`Helral`	`wanted to toss a burning match in a pocket of swampgas....`
`07:54.13`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Moorhsum^ (moorhsum@78-27-125-148.bb.dnainternet.fi)`
`07:54.20`	`JademusSreg`	`MSPA reference?`
`07:54.31`	`Helral`	`MSPA?`
`07:54.34`	`Psywisp`	`why don't you zerg a burning match in a pocket of swampgas`
`07:54.53`	`Helral`	`because you're not near it :P`
`07:54.59`	`Psywisp`	`Okay`
`07:55.09`	`Psywisp`	`Why do you want to set me on fire x_x`
`07:55.10`	`Helral`	`meows innocently`
`07:55.21`	`Helral`	`because I'm evil?`
`07:55.31`	`Psywisp`	`but`
`07:55.33`	`Psywisp`	`Why are you evil>`
`07:55.37`	`Psywisp`	`?`
`07:55.42`	`Helral`	`~8ball should I toss a match at Psywisp?`
`07:55.42`	`purl`	`Yes.`
`07:55.49`	`Helral`	`tosses another match at Psywisp`
`07:55.50`	`Psywisp`	`WHAT NO`
`07:55.55`	`Psywisp`	`HYBWEGCB`
`07:55.56`	`Psywisp`	`WCJU`
`07:55.57`	`Helral`	`forgot to light it though.`
`07:56.03`	`Psywisp`	`floats into a lake`
`07:56.08`	`Psywisp`	`Oh`
`07:56.10`	`Psywisp`	`Well then`
`07:56.12`	`Helral`	`roflol`
`07:56.16`	`Psywisp`	`You got me wet for no reason`
`07:56.21`	`Helral`	`:D`
`07:56.25`	`Psywisp`	`That's an accomplishment`
`07:56.35`	`Helral`	`well you know how I am.`
`07:56.36`	`Helral`	`~Helral`
`07:56.36`	`purl`	`[helral] an evil ethereal random kitten who must not be let near laser pens.`
`07:57.00`	`Helral`	`~8ball is Psywisp really a wisp?`
`07:57.00`	`purl`	`Absolutely.`
`07:57.06`	`Psywisp`	`Yeah`
`07:57.09`	`Psywisp`	`Absolutely`
`07:57.13`	`Helral`	`XD`
`07:57.32`	`Helral`	`~8ball did you just lie because Psywisp is here?`
`07:57.32`	`purl`	`Unsure.`
`07:57.49`	`Psywisp`	`Unsure`
`07:57.52`	`Helral`	`hmmmm what did you do to purl :P`
`07:57.56`	`Psywisp`	`~8ball Make sure`
`07:57.56`	`purl`	`Unsure.`
`07:58.00`	`Psywisp`	`Whyyy`
`07:58.06`	`Helral`	`he's afraid to answer because of you....`
`07:58.11`	`Psywisp`	`Sorry D:`
`07:58.32`	`Helral`	`~8ball did you just lie because Psywisp was here?`
`07:58.32`	`purl`	`Unsure.`
`07:58.33`	`NotPsywisp`	`Try again :D`
`07:58.37`	`NotPsywisp`	`x_x`
`07:58.43`	`Helral`	`damn :( he didn't fell for it.`
`07:58.46`	`NotPsywisp`	`hm`
`07:59.02`	`Lamp`	`this is`
`07:59.02`	`Helral`	`~8ball did you like Psywisp?`
`07:59.03`	`purl`	`Yes.`
`07:59.05`	`Lamp`	`registered`
`07:59.06`	`MoonEater916`	`im back`
`07:59.10`	`MoonEater916`	`sup!`
`07:59.12`	`MoonEater916`	`wow`
`07:59.14`	`Psywisp`	`hi`
`07:59.17`	`MoonEater916`	`purl is talking?`
`07:59.19`	`Psywisp`	`Yeah`
`07:59.21`	`MoonEater916`	`since when`
`07:59.22`	`Psywisp`	`she likes me`
`07:59.22`	`Psywisp`	`:D`
`07:59.27`	`MoonEater916`	`~seen purl`
`07:59.31`	`purl`	`purl is currently on #lotrouidev (10d 16h 14m 56s) #casualti (10d 16h 14m 56s) #linuxfund (10d 16h 14m 56s) #waruidev (10d 16h 14m 56s) #how (10d 16h 14m 56s) #sc2mapster (10d 16h 14m 56s) #riftuidev (10d 16h 14m 56s) #edev (10d 16h 14m 56s) #hosernet (10d 16h 14m 56s) #norganna (10d 16h 14m 56s) #ud (10d 16h 14m 56s) ##ducleague (10d 16h 14m 56s) ##kierra ...`
`07:59.38`	`Helral`	`~8ball does MoonEater916 not know you are a bot?`
`07:59.38`	`purl`	`I'm not sure.`
`07:59.41`	`Psywisp`	`dcleague`
`07:59.46`	`Psywisp`	`ducleague*`
`08:00.15`	`Psywisp`	`~8ball Are you a bot?`
`08:00.16`	`purl`	`Are you smoking crack?`
`08:00.23`	`MoonEater916`	`i know purl is a bot`
`08:00.24`	`Psywisp`	`Wow`
`08:00.31`	`Psywisp`	`No I am not`
`08:00.33`	`MoonEater916`	`just odd to see someone use thier bots`
`08:00.52`	`Helral`	`I usually toy with purl a bit from time to time.`
`08:00.56`	`Helral`	`~Psywisp`
`08:00.59`	`MoonEater916`	`dont we all`
`08:01.05`	`Psywisp`	`Good`
`08:01.09`	`Psywisp`	`I shouldn't be a command`
`08:01.12`	`Helral`	`~who is Psywisp?`
`08:01.13`	`purl`	`Helral: what are you talking about?`
`08:01.18`	`Helral`	`~who is Helral?`
`08:01.18`	`purl`	`i heard helral is an evil ethereal random kitten who must not be let near laser pens.`
`08:01.28`	`Helral`	`~who is MoonEater916?`
`08:01.29`	`purl`	`Helral: what are you talking about?`
`08:01.32`	`MoonEater916`	`lol`
`08:01.37`	`Psywisp`	`~who is purl?`
`08:01.37`	`purl`	`extra, extra, read all about it, purl is male`
`08:01.37`	`Helral`	`purl doesn't know you guys....`
`08:01.45`	`Helral`	`roflol`
`08:01.45`	`Psywisp`	`oh`
`08:01.47`	`Psywisp`	`sorry purl`
`08:01.51`	`Psywisp`	`I didn't know that`
`08:02.02`	`Helral`	`~who is Sixen?`
`08:02.02`	`purl`	`methinks sixen is our glorious overlord who without, we wouldn't have this cyberslum to fling our messy verbal diarrhea around.`
`08:02.10`	`Helral`	`meows innocently`
`08:02.20`	`MoonEater916`	`right...`
`08:02.26`	`MoonEater916`	`wel..`
`08:02.32`	`Helral`	`it is true.`
`08:02.33`	`Psywisp`	`wel..`
`08:02.53`	`Psywisp`	`Perhaps one day he will morph into an overseer`
`08:03.08`	`Psywisp`	`~morph lair`
`08:03.12`	`Psywisp`	`:(`
`08:03.23`	`Helral`	`~give Psywisp drone`
`08:03.23`	`purl`	`ACTION gives drone to Psywisp`
`08:03.36`	`Helral`	`~bomb drone`
`08:03.37`	`purl`	`ACTION drops a humongous exploding nuke on drone`
`08:03.41`	`MoonEater916`	`wow`
`08:03.42`	`Helral`	`meows innocently`
`08:03.43`	`Psywisp`	`...`
`08:03.47`	`Psywisp`	`My poor drone`
`08:03.52`	`Psywisp`	`Never stood a chance`
`08:03.55`	`MoonEater916`	`magnum p.i. ftw`
`08:04.03`	`Psywisp`	`"Nuclear launch detected"`
`08:04.08`	`Helral`	`~shoot ghost`
`08:04.08`	`purl`	`ACTION shoots ghost in the ear with a quantum singularity weapon!`
`08:04.15`	`Psywisp`	`:D`
`08:04.19`	`Helral`	`that should take care of the nuke :`
`08:04.21`	`Helral`	`:P*`
`08:04.22`	`Psywisp`	`~revive drone`
`08:04.22`	`purl`	`ACTION performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, shock treatment and anything else necessary to revive drone`
`08:04.28`	`Helral`	`lol`
`08:04.30`	`Psywisp`	`Okay drone`
`08:04.39`	`MoonEater916`	`lol`
`08:04.39`	`Helral`	`~tickle drone`
`08:04.40`	`purl`	`ACTION jumps on drone, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!"`
`08:04.40`	`Psywisp`	`I command you to become a Hatchery!`
`08:04.45`	`MoonEater916`	`we should bring stealthbot`
`08:04.47`	`MoonEater916`	`back to sc2`
`08:05.26`	`Psywisp`	`what's that?`
`08:06.01`	`MoonEater916`	`a bot`
`08:06.11`	`Psywisp`	`cool`
`08:09.16`	`Psywisp`	`I guess everyone died`
`08:09.31`	`Helral`	`meows`
`08:09.37`	`Psywisp`	`oh hi there`
`08:09.51`	`Psywisp`	`I have a laser pen here!`
`08:10.13`	`Psywisp`	`sighs`
`08:10.20`	`Psywisp`	`only the remains of my dear penny`
`08:10.34`	`Helral`	`your own fault.`
`08:10.37`	`Helral`	`meows innocently`
`08:10.47`	`Psywisp`	`Harsh.`
`08:10.54`	`Helral`	`that's life`
`08:11.09`	`Psywisp`	`What's a life`
`08:11.22`	`Helral`	`Harsh`
`08:11.27`	`Psywisp`	`oh`
`08:11.36`	`Psywisp`	`So that's what harsh meant!`
`08:11.54`	`Psywisp`	`Doesn't work as well the second time around`
`08:15.44`	`Helral`	`wonders why Psywisp killed the chat.`
`08:15.56`	`Psywisp`	`Of course it would be me`
`08:16.04`	`Helral`	`who else? :P`
`08:16.11`	`Psywisp`	`I bet it was`
`08:16.14`	`Psywisp`	`YOU!`
`08:16.15`	`Psywisp`	`D:`
`08:16.25`	`Psywisp`	`Murderer!`
`08:16.40`	`Helral`	`I'm no murderer, I'm just evil ethereal and random`
`08:16.56`	`Psywisp`	`But why would I kill it`
`08:16.59`	`Psywisp`	`I'm just a wisp!`
`08:17.03`	`Psywisp`	`Wait...`
`08:17.10`	`Psywisp`	`if I didn't, and you didn't...`
`08:17.17`	`Psywisp`	`Then who did...?`
`08:17.20`	`Helral`	`because the chat offended you?`
`08:17.30`	`Helral`	`~8ball did Psywisp kill the chat?`
`08:17.30`	`purl`	`Unsure.`
`08:17.39`	`Helral`	`~8ball did Purl kill the chat?`
`08:17.39`	`purl`	`I'm not sure.`
`08:17.45`	`Helral`	`~8ball did Helral kill the chat?`
`08:17.46`	`purl`	`Absolutely.`
`08:17.48`	`Psywisp`	`:O`
`08:17.53`	`Helral`	`meows innocently`
`08:18.04`	`Helral`	`see I didn't do it.`
`08:18.32`	`Psywisp`	`~8ball Did Will O Wisp kill the chat?`
`08:18.32`	`purl`	`I'm not sure.`
`08:18.49`	`Psywisp`	`~8ball did Clouds kill the chat?`
`08:18.49`	`purl`	`Absolutely.`
`08:18.53`	`Psywisp`	`CLOUDS`
`08:18.57`	`Helral`	`lol`
`08:18.58`	`Psywisp`	`How are you still alive`
`08:19.04`	`Psywisp`	`~bomb Clouds`
`08:19.05`	`purl`	`ACTION drops a humongous exploding nuke on Clouds`
`08:19.08`	`Psywisp`	`DIE`
`08:19.13`	`Helral`	`~purl did clouds get vaporized?`
`08:19.17`	`Helral`	`~8ball did clouds get vaporized?`
`08:19.18`	`purl`	`Unsure.`
`08:19.25`	`Psywisp`	`~bomb Clouds`
`08:19.26`	`purl`	`ACTION drops a humongous exploding nuke on Clouds`
`08:19.29`	`Helral`	`~8ball can a nuke kill clouds?`
`08:19.30`	`purl`	`No.`
`08:19.30`	`Psywisp`	`WHY WON'T YOU DIE?!`
`08:19.37`	`ArcanePariah`	`lol`
`08:19.46`	`Helral`	`well that is quite plain why :P`
`08:19.51`	`Psywisp`	`Okay`
`08:19.53`	`Helral`	`because a nuke cannot kill it.`
`08:19.58`	`Psywisp`	`alternatives`
`08:19.59`	`Helral`	`hey ArcanePariah`
`08:20.01`	`Psywisp`	`Let's see...`
`08:20.05`	`ArcanePariah`	`Sup Helral`
`08:20.14`	`Helral`	`having fun toying with Psywisp`
`08:20.19`	`Psywisp`	`What`
`08:20.22`	`Psywisp`	`You are toying with me?`
`08:20.26`	`Psywisp`	`WHAT?!`
`08:20.28`	`Helral`	`meows innocently`
`08:20.32`	`ArcanePariah`	`Uggh... that reminds me, I need to add some stuff to the wiki in regards to UI customization`
`08:20.39`	`Psywisp`	`:o`
`08:20.41`	`Helral`	`ow what?`
`08:20.43`	`Psywisp`	`You can edit the wiki?`
`08:20.50`	`Helral`	`everyone can`
`08:20.53`	`Psywisp`	`oh`
`08:20.53`	`ArcanePariah`	`... why wouldn't I be able to lol`
`08:21.06`	`Psywisp`	`~8ball Is a wiki something everyone can edit?`
`08:21.07`	`purl`	`No.`
`08:21.10`	`Psywisp`	`SEE`
`08:21.15`	`Psywisp`	`You are all liars!`
`08:21.25`	`Helral`	`~8ball are you teasing Psywisp?`
`08:21.26`	`purl`	`I'm sure of it.`
`08:21.29`	`Helral`	`:P`
`08:21.30`	`Psywisp`	`oh`
`08:21.31`	`Helral`	`roflol`
`08:21.32`	`Psywisp`	`well then`
`08:21.36`	`ArcanePariah`	`Anyhow, orignally I thought from all the guides that only a given fram instance could be modified, but I realized you can modify the templates too, just have to be careful about it`
`08:21.49`	`ArcanePariah`	`Since it will alter all instances that use that template`
`08:22.15`	`ArcanePariah`	`Like the guide just has stuff being modified in the GameUI File`
`08:22.18`	`Helral`	`you can modify templates, but it only affects all instances created afterwards. it didn't affect the default gameUI in the old days.`
`08:22.29`	`ArcanePariah`	`Interesting`
`08:22.54`	`ArcanePariah`	`Plus I'm assuming the locked frames can not be changed at the template level, only the instance`
`08:23.07`	`ArcanePariah`	`Actually, I don't think they can be changed at all?`
`08:23.20`	`Helral`	`name a locked frame...`
`08:23.48`	`ArcanePariah`	`Let me go look, been a while since I meddled in the UI`
`08:24.18`	`Psywisp`	`So what are you all doing right now? :D`
`08:24.29`	`Helral`	`ow right I need to update the frontpage of my site.`
`08:24.34`	`ArcanePariah`	`GameMenuDialog`
`08:24.36`	`Helral`	`what version of sc2 are we at atm.`
`08:24.40`	`Psywisp`	`You have a site?`
`08:24.44`	`ArcanePariah`	`2.0.11`
`08:24.47`	`Helral`	`www.helral.eu`
`08:24.48`	`ArcanePariah`	`is the current version`
`08:24.51`	`Psywisp`	`:o`
`08:25.18`	`ArcanePariah`	`~bomb ArcanePariah`
`08:25.19`	`purl`	`ACTION drops a humongous exploding nuke on ArcanePariah`
`08:25.26`	`Helral`	`I updated the framelistings to the latest version`
`08:25.37`	`Helral`	`I forgot to update the version number on the page.`
`08:25.37`	`ArcanePariah`	`Nice, what other fun messages does the logger do?`
`08:25.58`	`Psywisp`	`~revive ArcanePariah`
`08:25.58`	`purl`	`ACTION performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, shock treatment and anything else necessary to revive ArcanePariah`
`08:26.05`	`ArcanePariah`	`Also, since I'm fairly new to IRC, how do you do the action messages`
`08:26.07`	`Psywisp`	`:)`
`08:26.11`	`Psywisp`	`idk I am new too :P`
`08:26.20`	`Helral`	`you mean the "/me" ones?`
`08:26.24`	`Helral`	`meows innocently`
`08:26.26`	`ArcanePariah`	`yeah`
`08:26.38`	`ArcanePariah`	`shakes fist`
`08:26.41`	`ArcanePariah`	`ok`
`08:26.43`	`ArcanePariah`	`there we go`
`08:27.07`	`ArcanePariah`	`~bomb ArcanePariah`
`08:27.14`	`ArcanePariah`	`Ok, interesting`
`08:27.15`	`Psywisp`	`Hm`
`08:27.26`	`Psywisp`	`Is it possible to change your name on the forums?`
`08:27.36`	`Helral`	`on the forums? don't think so.`
`08:27.49`	`Psywisp`	`Okay`
`08:27.50`	`ArcanePariah`	`I would assume that you can change the name presented to the public, but your name used to sign up is permanatn`
`08:27.57`	`ArcanePariah`	`But idk`
`08:28.07`	`Helral`	`you can ofcourse create a new nickname and mention in your description what your old nick was.`
`08:28.44`	`ArcanePariah`	`I wonder when they complete the ingame UI editor such that you can do live UI edits, and just commit the XML from inside the editor`
`08:28.55`	`Helral`	`or you have to get lucky and succeed at getting contact with an admin at curse who would help you with it.`
`08:29.43`	`Psywisp`	`Hm`
`08:29.50`	`ArcanePariah`	`That would make any UI manipulation far easier then the current, change something, save, run test, rinse repeat, but the current one does make it easier to figure out what to change, less testing needed`
`08:29.56`	`Psywisp`	`How do I create a new nickname?`
`08:30.05`	`Helral`	`create new account`
`08:30.17`	`ArcanePariah`	`~Bomb purl`
`08:30.17`	`purl`	`ACTION drops a humongous exploding nuke on purl`
`08:30.20`	`Psywisp`	`oh okay`
`08:30.21`	`ArcanePariah`	`:D`
`08:30.30`	`Helral`	`~shoot ArcanePariah`
`08:30.31`	`purl`	`ACTION shoots ArcanePariah in the head with a frozen turkey cannon!`
`08:30.40`	`ArcanePariah`	`SWEET, FREE DINNER`
`08:30.51`	`Psywisp`	`I'll probably not change my name then`
`08:31.23`	`ArcanePariah`	`Sigh... so much stuff to do for my map, no where near enough time...`
`08:31.35`	`Helral`	`meows questioningly`
`08:31.36`	`Psywisp`	`You could ask Timewisp for help`
`08:31.44`	`Helral`	`what are you attempting to do with the UI btw?`
`08:32.20`	`ArcanePariah`	`Me? Atm nothing, I have a habit of working on the normal stuff but getting an itch and visiting or revisitng various places in the editor to figure them out more throughly`
`08:33.09`	`Helral`	`aha....`
`08:33.16`	`Helral`	`then you won't need my help :P`
`08:33.20`	`ArcanePariah`	`We already have a decently customized UI, we use dialogs a lot though, but I've been tempted to redo them into the built in UI, it would save code perhaps, although I have already rewritten the dialog creation a bunch already, using User Types to populate them`
`08:34.02`	`ArcanePariah`	`Probably will take a break from cleaning up the code and tackle stuff in the data editor, remove extra stuff, consolidate actors`
`08:34.30`	`ArcanePariah`	`Apply some the hierarchial features to make the existing data objects simpler`
`08:35.00`	`ArcanePariah`	`Btw, I work on Night of the Dead`
`08:35.49`	`ArcanePariah`	`But yeah... I'm constantly reexaming all aspects of the editor in the quest to make things simpler and more efficient`
`08:36.50`	`ArcanePariah`	`While stil fixing bugs, adding content (thankfully I don't have to design anything, got another person on the team who handles that, and the main guy does the approval)`
`08:37.41`	`Helral`	`how long have you guys worked with the editor?`
`08:38.26`	`Psywisp`	`Can I answer`
`08:38.42`	`Helral`	`dunno can you?`
`08:38.48`	`Psywisp`	`dunno`
`08:38.57`	`Psywisp`	`Depends on if you'll allow me to`
`08:39.08`	`ArcanePariah`	`Well, Ability has worked with it since SC2 came out, he had another guy doing the bulk of the coding, but he left the project to focus on school, I had been playing the game up till December of last year when I voluneteered, wanted to help out and I'm a CS student so the editor was not all that intimidating to me, I find it fun to work with personally`
`08:39.25`	`ArcanePariah`	`So I've been at for 9 months now`
`08:40.12`	`ArcanePariah`	`Primarly been fixing bugs, code optimization, rewriting triggers into data, and redoing various classes and other game systems, used your tutorials when we migrated to using the native sc2 inventor away from a dialog based one`
`08:40.41`	`Psywisp`	`Well I've been using it for a whole 2 weeks!`
`08:40.45`	`Psywisp`	`xD`
`08:40.48`	`Helral`	`ow I also wrote a tutorial about that? :P`
`08:41.10`	`Helral`	`wrote a few tutorials all about different stuff.`
`08:41.28`	`ArcanePariah`	`Not the inventory no, but the UI stuff, I used it to reposition the inventory as well the chat bar, plus deal with some the UI elements that HotS added`
`08:41.37`	`Helral`	`ahhh`
`08:42.03`	`ArcanePariah`	`Can to play with its positioning so that it lined up with some custom dialog stuff`
`08:42.07`	`ArcanePariah`	`Had to*`
`08:42.47`	`Helral`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNMTdJs3ZRY <-- something I made 3 years ago.`
`08:43.21`	`ArcanePariah`	`At some point I need to explore what Wrath seem to indicate was possible, creating UI frames linked to triggers via dialog hooksups, so I can recreate our team bar without the infinite loops running that keeps it updated`
`08:43.59`	`ArcanePariah`	`Need to ask a few people about the data table, when to use it and the costs with it`
`08:44.53`	`ArcanePariah`	`Also at some point, need to start on the sequel`
`08:45.14`	`Helral`	`lol even planned a sequel....`
`08:45.49`	`Psywisp`	`The data table...it's been almost 60 years since I last heard that name. It will torture you, then possess you...you'll have nothing left once you're done with the data table.`
`08:46.03`	`ArcanePariah`	`Yeah, its been in the works, our head guy and designer guy have been working on it already, laying out concepts/factions, he is also learning nad building the terrain`
`08:46.27`	`ArcanePariah`	`Occasionally inquring with me if something is functionally possible in the editor or not`
`08:46.36`	`Helral`	`so who are you working with?`
`08:47.32`	`ArcanePariah`	`Ability is the primary guy, he created the idea, he worked on NotD back in WC3, Kithrixx is the designer, he played a ton of notd AM back in the day, both Kih and I played the current NotD for 2 years before signing up to help code/design`
`08:48.58`	`ArcanePariah`	`Also, we want to apply what we learned from this NotD and previous ones to create the sequel, Ability tried out something rather different, had its upsides, but some downsides, so we are going back more towards AM, but still retaing some stuff from current Notd`
`08:50.06`	`ArcanePariah`	`Also with my experience with the editor, able to build things much faster then the existing one, Ability is not a software person, so a great deal of the code/implementation was... bruteforce shall we say`
`08:50.48`	`ArcanePariah`	`Plus the editor is simply becoming easier and easier to use, and also more and more powerful with each pathch`
`08:52.01`	`Helral`	`been a while since Ability was online on sc2mapster.`
`08:53.44`	`MoonEater916`	`Good night yall`
`08:53.50`	`ArcanePariah`	`Yeah, he is more behind the scenes now a days, he went through some rough times, we had some drama in our community, some of our members were upset with the development for a time, and were not very polite about it, plus he had family issues (father passed away), so yeah... right now hes settling down after getting married and buying a house, he mostly relies on me to code and Kith to do`
`08:53.50`	`ArcanePariah`	`design work, I have virtually a unlimted to do list`
`08:54.42`	`ArcanePariah`	`Got about a million little features to add, 2 classes to redo, possibly 3, number of minor tweaks to do, code optimization is ongoing, and about 30 bugs to fix`
`08:55.18`	`ArcanePariah`	`Plus whatever I feel like experimenting with, usually evolving the Tactical AI to make the game more interesting for people`
`08:56.18`	`Helral`	`hehehe`
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`08:59.09`	`ArcanePariah`	`Of course, every time I go to experiment I realize just how little I know of the editor`
`08:59.26`	`Helral`	`also funny to see how people reacted to my map: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVApkoxdqqo (well it was 3 years ago but still)`
`09:00.04`	`ArcanePariah`	`lol, sounds about right, when NotD got features, people in the comments asked "Where do I buy this?"`
`09:00.11`	`ArcanePariah`	`I just... facepalmed`
`09:00.13`	`Helral`	`hahaha`
`09:00.59`	`Helral`	`you know the warz stuff, where a barracks or whatever automatically builds units?`
`09:01.24`	`ArcanePariah`	`Hmm... nope, doesn't ring a bell`
`09:02.46`	`Helral`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_6gNyG_kAo&feature=c4-overview&list=UUfFRgftWbZ6tD6GiJWZSMIA <-- auto train tutorial using only data`
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`09:03.15`	`ArcanePariah`	`Nice`
`09:03.29`	`Helral`	`someone written it using triggers, I was like it can be done using only data.`
`09:03.34`	`Helral`	`and there's the proof :P`
`09:03.56`	`ArcanePariah`	`Yeah, I think the biggest issue with the data editor was people were not used to the power of it, and also a fair amount of it was undocumented`
`09:04.14`	`ArcanePariah`	`So people bruteforced it wthi triggers, which are very well documented and explained`
`09:04.43`	`Helral`	`in wc3/sc1 ppl used to have a building somewhere which spawned X units every few seconds.`
`09:05.01`	`Helral`	`now you can just use a auto-training data thing to handle that.`
`09:05.09`	`Helral`	`no need to check if the building still exists.`
`09:05.21`	`ArcanePariah`	`Yeah... I haven't looked to closely at sc2 train abilites, but I would assume you can just place a cooldown and autocast`
`09:05.27`	`ArcanePariah`	`and be done with it`
`09:05.35`	`Helral`	`well no :P`
`09:05.44`	`Helral`	`you need to use a sort of internal timer .`
`09:05.57`	`Helral`	`I used a periodic buff which triggered the train action.`
`09:06.35`	`ArcanePariah`	`Well.. coulda jsut used autocast lol`
`09:06.44`	`ArcanePariah`	`train has it`
`09:07.05`	`Helral`	`there was a bug with the auto-cast back then. if there were no units in range it didn't cast.`
`09:07.17`	`Helral`	`even though it did not need a target besides itself.`
`09:07.24`	`ArcanePariah`	`Weird`
`09:07.27`	`Helral`	`better yet it is a feature,`
`09:07.37`	`ArcanePariah`	`Because it shouldn't need a target...`
`09:07.40`	`Helral`	`you do not want marines to use stim constantly while out of combat.`
`09:07.52`	`Helral`	`assuming you had a stim auto-cast.`
`09:08.02`	`ArcanePariah`	`Well... if they are AI units... that is what the tactical AI is for`
`09:08.31`	`ArcanePariah`	`Simply have a order tactical AI with a validator for attack order`
`09:08.35`	`ArcanePariah`	`What I used in NotD`
`09:08.48`	`ArcanePariah`	`for the AI marines that support the player`
`09:08.53`	`ArcanePariah`	`players*`
`09:09.09`	`ArcanePariah`	`Same thing the campaign uses for many abilites, like HT casting storms`
`09:09.24`	`Helral`	`hehehe`
`09:09.42`	`Helral`	`well I made this stuff in beta. from the tutorials.`
`09:10.09`	`ArcanePariah`	`There is seperate aspect for tactical AI targeting, such that HT will intelligently (depending on difficulty) storm at least 3 or 4 units`
`09:10.10`	`ArcanePariah`	`True`
`09:10.16`	`ArcanePariah`	`Things were a bit different back then`
`09:10.47`	`Helral`	`have you ever tried to create a minimap that moves along with the player?`
`09:10.52`	`ArcanePariah`	`Probably why I have a rosier view of map editing, I didn't have to deal with all the early bugs and limtations`
`09:11.03`	`Helral`	`probably :P`
`09:11.03`	`ArcanePariah`	`Hmm?`
`09:11.34`	`ArcanePariah`	`Like have the minimap stay focused on the player unit?`
`09:11.44`	`Helral`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqtjfFU7dE0&list=UUfFRgftWbZ6tD6GiJWZSMIA`
`09:11.46`	`Helral`	`like that :P`
`09:13.06`	`ArcanePariah`	`Well... that's kind of easy, you are just setting the minimaps boundries to much smaller then the total map, and then setting the default camara to a top down view, and finally having a trigger force the camara to follow the unit`
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`09:13.18`	`Helral`	`one of the bugs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3iGCJzgSIU&list=UUfFRgftWbZ6tD6GiJWZSMIA`
`09:13.26`	`Helral`	`don't forget to update the minimap bounds.`
`09:15.09`	`ArcanePariah`	`True, I forgot that detail, but isn't that fairly straightforward? Take current unit position, add/subtract X/Y constants (with map bounds) to get new boudns nad update?`
`09:15.26`	`Helral`	`yup, but when to update? :P`
`09:16.08`	`Psywisp`	`:P`
`09:16.12`	`ArcanePariah`	`Simplistic approach, infinite loops, every second. Realsitic approach, check if the unit position has changed more then X, checking every second or so`
`09:16.36`	`ArcanePariah`	`X being a defined constant, appropriate to map/game scale`
`09:16.54`	`Helral`	`best approach: unit leaves range of X, X being an invisible unit which is contantly relocated.`
`09:17.44`	`ArcanePariah`	`Hmm true, combined with validators, you can have atrigger run when the behavior is removed`
`09:17.50`	`ArcanePariah`	`or disabled`
`09:18.28`	`Helral`	`when not moving nothing is triggered for that approach of mine. :)`
`09:20.05`	`ArcanePariah`	`Well, I would skip using a dummy unit, and just use a region variable that gets updated after each minimap update, so just have it be a trigger When Unit leaves region X, where region X is defined earlier as circle region with radius X around Unit`
`09:20.57`	`Helral`	`hehehe that will only work if you can redefine the trigger event.`
`09:21.07`	`ArcanePariah`	`???`
`09:21.20`	`ArcanePariah`	`What's being redefined?`
`09:21.27`	`Helral`	`the region isn't it?`
`09:22.25`	`Helral`	`been a while since I worked on any map.`
`09:22.27`	`ArcanePariah`	`Yes, but that's being updated each update, so unless that event trigger doesn't take variables, it should work, but wouldn't suprise me if it doesn't take variables`
`09:22.58`	`Helral`	`don't think trigger events take variables.`
`09:23.20`	`Helral`	`you can use variables in conditions though.`
`09:23.56`	`ArcanePariah`	`Yeah, trigger events only accept constants`
`09:24.28`	`ArcanePariah`	`So my idea might not work but let me try something...`
`09:26.17`	`ArcanePariah`	`Ahh, found a workaround, trigger can take functions returning region and the function will take a variable, so instead of updating the region directly, update the point variable instead`
`09:26.50`	`Helral`	`looking for my map to look what I did.`
`09:30.06`	`Psywisp`	`This community is so much different than actual SC2`
`09:30.17`	`Psywisp`	`Those people are all like`
`09:30.41`	`Psywisp`	`"____ OP, BLIZZ PLZ NERF"`
`09:31.14`	`Psywisp`	`"NO ____ IS NOT OP, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ____"`
`09:32.35`	`duckies`	`"ARCADE SUCKS, BLIZZ FIX ARCADE"`
`09:32.38`	`duckies`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:32.40`	`duckies`	`:D`
`09:32.45`	`Psywisp`	`lol :P`
`09:32.55`	`ArcanePariah`	`Imma call it a night, but ill be on tomrrow to continue this, thanks for the conversation Helrel, was nice getting to know you`
`09:33.07`	`Psywisp`	`Good night :D`
`09:33.15`	`duckies`	`have a nice rest!`
`09:33.15`	`ArcanePariah`	`And thanks again for the UI guides`
`09:34.16`	`Helral`	`hehehe no problem, also gonna log off, got visitors over.`
`09:34.29`	`Psywisp`	`Bye Helral :D`
`09:34.48`	`duckies`	`he never really leaves :D`
`09:34.57`	`Psywisp`	`Yeah :P`
`09:34.57`	`zenx`	`WAZ U PDUCKIES`
`09:35.00`	`duckies`	`nobody leaves irc`
`09:35.04`	`zenx`	`LETS BE HATIN ON ARCADE`
`09:35.05`	`Psywisp`	`He's a computer`
`09:36.46`	`duckies`	`sweet sweet hate fills my shallow everyday existance with sweet sense of purpose :D`
`09:37.21`	`zenx`	`nothing new here`
`09:37.29`	`zenx`	`I wanderend off to diablofans today too`
`09:37.35`	`duckies`	`yesterday I wanted to do some mapping, but browsed internet instead`
`09:37.43`	`duckies`	`and same thing occured a day before`
`09:37.44`	`duckies`	`;/`
`09:37.45`	`zenx`	`I guess I need to get my fll so I can make sure I wont get it`
`09:38.03`	`zenx`	`mapping is seasonal`
`09:38.08`	`zenx`	`sometimes you feel like it sometimes you dont`
`09:38.31`	`duckies`	`I think I should start learning how to draw in my spare time`
`09:38.44`	`duckies`	`since drawning is pretty cool`
`09:39.21`	`duckies`	`unfortunately all I can draw is classy crabs with cilinders and monocles in pictionary ;\`
`09:40.07`	`zenx`	`drawing is cool indeed`
`09:40.24`	`zenx`	`not sure if I mentioned I have a drawing board you can link to computer`
`09:40.27`	`zenx`	`but its broken`
`09:41.53`	`zenx`	`but drawing is sorta worse than mapping`
`09:42.02`	`zenx`	`cause you need 10 years of experience to be any good at it`
`09:42.21`	`Psywisp`	`Anyone can draw`
`09:42.29`	`Psywisp`	`But that dosen't mean you're good at it`
`09:42.50`	`zenx`	`oh no really`
`09:42.51`	`zenx`	`:D`
`09:43.44`	`duckies`	`well, I'll draw and delude myself into thinking that it's good so that I can fell statisfied with my work,, "yeah, those spills of ink and tear is my artistic style, you've just got to have a strong imagination to comperhend full beauty and complexity of my drawning" :D`
`09:44.08`	`duckies`	`eh, I also need to reread that improvements thread cause blizz told me to also throw them any editor suggestions`
`09:44.36`	`zenx`	`I kinda wanted to start learning pixel art`
`09:44.50`	`zenx`	`cause if you do it pixel by pixel it could be easier to get something that looks decent?`
`09:45.32`	`duckies`	`probably, since you skip most of details, and animation are also pretty easy I assume`
`09:47.01`	`duckies`	`I don't know, I'm not artist D:`
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`09:47.48`	`zenx`	`modelling would be cool too`
`09:47.52`	`zenx`	`but`
`09:48.03`	`zenx`	`cant learn everything -_-`
`09:48.51`	`duckies`	`well, we know that it's not impossible since zolden learned it from the scratch pretty qiuckly`
`09:49.05`	`duckies`	`but zolden is just that awesome :D`
`09:49.35`	`zenx`	`making dota2 items would be awesome`
`09:49.43`	`zenx`	`valve is cool like that`
`09:49.53`	`zenx`	`they allow to sell your stuff (if you get really lucky)`
`09:51.16`	`duckies`	`I wish I could make stuff I could sell`
`09:51.27`	`zenx`	`indeed`
`09:51.29`	`duckies`	`too bad I don't care enough to do anything ..`
`09:51.35`	`zenx`	`yup yup`
`09:51.47`	`zenx`	`my awesoem game is gona be f2p!`
`09:51.47`	`zenx`	`:D`
`09:51.55`	`duckies`	`:3`
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`13:57.11`	`Frinckles`	`haaay`
`14:03.14`	`ThunderLLord`	`Hey SC2Mapster`
`14:03.21`	`ThunderLLord`	`someone link me somthing cool they are working on`
`14:03.42`	`zenx`	`you will not steal my ideas!`
`14:03.57`	`Vailreth`	`no one wants YOUR ideas`
`14:04.19`	`Vailreth`	`i joke, but no one will steal them`
`14:05.26`	`Frinckles`	`:o`
`14:05.32`	`Frinckles`	`OH I know something cool!`
`14:06.50`	`Frinckles`	`http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1eel9c/starcraft_to_scale_heart_of_the_swarm_edition/`
`14:07.03`	`Frinckles`	`Warning, the image is extremely large.`
`14:07.27`	`Frinckles`	`:P I was toying around with the idea of doing things completely proportional.`
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`14:09.39`	`Vailreth`	`nice`
`14:10.17`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Morning gents`
`14:10.40`	`Vailreth`	`good morning`
`14:11.38`	`Frinckles`	`Hay hay Dustin.`
`14:12.11`	`Frinckles`	`Yeah, it's super helpful. I'm still trying to figure out how Vipers pull Battlecruisers/Viper, but that's another issue.`
`14:12.40`	`Frinckles`	`He says in the thread that Viper's were one of those ones he had to kind of guess with.`
`14:12.52`	`Frinckles`	`But he wanted them to be sizable to pull tanks.`
`14:13.06`	`Vailreth`	`ah`
`14:15.07`	`Vailreth`	`i now have a working method of combining buffs and attributes to do things now i need more things for them to do`
`14:18.22`	`Frinckles`	`Noice. :D`
`14:18.41`	`Frinckles`	`Jade was trying to explain to me how to use his input system, but it's complicated.`
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`14:18.59`	`Frinckles`	`Imma get it down though, today hopefully. College starts next week for me.`
`14:19.15`	`Frinckles`	`Plus, I wanna hit Gold on League Of Legends.`
`14:19.18`	`Frinckles`	`lol`
`14:20.47`	`G0A`	`wtf is expected life/shield/energy?`
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`14:27.57`	`Vailreth`	`no idea G`
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`14:29.26`	`Kueken`	`'ola`
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`15:33.55`	`mille25`	`hi`
`15:36.09`	`Obscene`	`hie`
`15:37.34`	`Kueken`	`shark`
`15:38.22`	`Obscene`	`:(`
`15:38.40`	`Obscene`	`Ah kueken, the master of attachmetns, maybe you can help me`
`15:38.49`	`Obscene`	`When I test game most of the attachments fall into the floor`
`15:38.53`	`Obscene`	`any ideas?`
`15:38.55`	`Kueken`	`maybe`
`15:39.27`	`Kueken`	`oly on test? different in editor and/or on publish?`
`15:39.57`	`Obscene`	`Editor its fine`
`15:39.57`	`Kueken`	`*only`
`15:40.01`	`Obscene`	`Haven't tried publish`
`15:40.02`	`Obscene`	`http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Terrain179_zps3c14450e.jpg`
`15:40.10`	`Obscene`	`everything but the armor falls`
`15:40.41`	`Kueken`	`ah, you changed your nickname :D`
`15:40.53`	`Kueken`	`didn't realize`
`15:41.22`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`15:41.40`	`Obscene`	`Obscene is shorter, and better sounding`
`15:42.11`	`Kueken`	`how many attachments are theseß`
`15:42.37`	`Obscene`	`6 marines, 6 attachements`
`15:42.52`	`Kueken`	`so you use intersect marines already`
`15:42.54`	`Kueken`	`hm`
`15:43.04`	`Kueken`	`thats usually my fix for everything :D`
`15:43.09`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`15:43.19`	`Kueken`	`could you post the XML, so I can replicate?`
`15:43.50`	`Obscene`	`hmm`
`15:44.00`	`Obscene`	`Well... How would I single out that XML?`
`15:44.48`	`Kueken`	`I only need the actors, if you named them somewhat consistently they should be easy to single out`
`15:45.58`	`Obscene`	`hmmm`
`15:47.05`	`Obscene`	`It uses the item pack and the dragoon model, gimme a sec, still trying to get all the data from it`
`15:50.44`	`Obscene`	`I THINK this is all https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/93971126/test.txt`
`15:51.43`	`Obscene`	`I changed it from marine to phoenix last night in an attempt to fix it`
`15:51.49`	`Obscene`	`but it was to no avail`
`15:55.04`	`Kueken`	`kk`
`15:55.21`	`Kueken`	`I assume the base model for the Eviscerator is the Dragoon?`
`15:55.52`	`Kueken`	`I might need a source for that`
`15:56.17`	`Obscene`	`yup`
`15:56.56`	`Obscene`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/6/137/Dragoon.m3`
`16:00.44`	`Kueken`	`could you link the post instead? my client doesn't allow right click -> save as`
`16:00.44`	`Kueken`	`and the link just shows gibberish`
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`16:02.50`	`Kueken`	`Obscene:`
`16:03.08`	`Obscene`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/art-assets/9687-ulti-drgn-s-request-corner/`
`16:03.34`	`gnozl`	`is there a way to choose custom races from within the lobby?`
`16:04.54`	`Kueken`	`gnozl: not as far as I am aware, if it wasn't changed in a recent patch`
`16:05.34`	`gnozl`	`ah okay. so the Data / Race section is completely useless then?`
`16:06.36`	`Kueken`	`you can change some stuff for the default races`
`16:06.38`	`Obscene`	`Yes there is Gnozl, but I dont know how to do it`
`16:06.54`	`Kueken`	`but in general, it makes no sense to add new ones`
`16:07.19`	`Kueken`	`the only way I know of is to disable race selection completely and simulate it via custom attributes`
`16:07.29`	`Obscene`	`I have seen other maps, that have multiple options you can pick from(usually heroes) and you can link that to triggers and simulate i like that`
`16:07.41`	`gnozl`	`yea that's probably what i'll end up doing`
`16:08.10`	`Kueken`	`but that produces problems with loading screen, background music, race UI etc`
`16:08.14`	`gnozl`	`all i really want is to use the melee initialization triggers with custom races`
`16:08.20`	`Kueken`	`you would need to change all that yourself`
`16:08.22`	`gnozl`	`since its more of a melee mod`
`16:09.01`	`Kueken`	`well, if you can change the race of the player via trigger before running the init trigger, you might be able to`
`16:09.10`	`Kueken`	`but I don't think you can change the actual race ingame`
`16:09.15`	`gnozl`	`yea you cant`
`16:09.19`	`Kueken`	`so I guess you will need to simulate`
`16:09.24`	`gnozl`	`i think ill just use a dialogue box`
`16:09.56`	`gnozl`	`:S`
`16:11.02`	`Kueken`	`Obscene: I need your HeadSoP and ChestSoP`
`16:11.10`	`Obscene`	`kk 1 sec`
`16:12.00`	`Obscene`	`https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/93971126/test.txt`
`16:12.03`	`Obscene`	`at the very bottom`
`16:13.58`	`Kueken`	`you didn't include the weapon attachments`
`16:14.07`	`Kueken`	`but it doesn't matter probably`
`16:14.18`	`Kueken`	`since the problem should be the same`
`16:14.24`	`Kueken`	`testing now`
`16:15.05`	`Obscene`	`The armor and bunker sometimes work anyways`
`16:15.38`	`Kueken`	`one weapon is there, my bad`
`16:15.47`	`Kueken`	`kk`
`16:15.52`	`Kueken`	`I see what you mean`
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`16:18.43`	`Kueken`	`had that problem before, not sure how I fixed it`
`16:18.48`	`Kueken`	`let me look it up`
`16:19.55`	`Obscene`	`kk\`
`16:19.56`	`Obscene`	`thanks man`
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`16:20.13`	`Psywisp`	`hi friends`
`16:21.00`	`Kueken`	`Hi stranger`
`16:21.17`	`Obscene`	`hey wisp`
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`16:24.19`	`Psywisp`	`Everyone is my friend`
`16:28.00`	`Psywisp`	`I'm cold`
`16:28.39`	`Kueken`	`need a hug?`
`16:28.44`	`Kueken`	`let me call my shark`
`16:28.49`	`Psywisp`	`Uh`
`16:28.50`	`Psywisp`	`No thanks`
`16:29.26`	`Obscene`	`How about my porcupine ?`
`16:29.42`	`Kueken`	`Obscene: I changed the chest actor to not be created on unit birth etc, then I made the attachment marine create it on actor creation`
`16:29.48`	`Kueken`	`that seems to work`
`16:30.01`	`Psywisp`	`No...`
`16:30.06`	`Psywisp`	`I'd rather be cold`
`16:30.17`	`Psywisp`	`Also, what is a chest actor`
`16:30.23`	`Psywisp`	`WHAT ARE YOU MAKING?`
`16:30.24`	`Obscene`	`I put boobs on a shark`
`16:30.27`	`Kueken`	`so the events of the actual attachments would be reset to default, and the marines get new events like this:`
`16:30.40`	`Psywisp`	`Oh`
`16:30.42`	`Kueken`	`ActorCreation -> Create.AttachmentXY`
`16:30.42`	`Psywisp`	`That makes sense`
`16:30.46`	`Psywisp`	`Not really`
`16:30.58`	`Obscene`	`Sooo lemme get this straight`
`16:31.09`	`Obscene`	`Remove the events I created on the attachments`
`16:31.16`	`Obscene`	`and Then put that new one on the marine?`
`16:33.05`	`Kueken`	`yes`
`16:33.05`	`Kueken`	`except the destroy on death maybe`
`16:33.22`	`Kueken`	`yes`
`16:33.32`	`Kueken`	`on the marine the attachment is attached to later`
`16:33.50`	`Kueken`	`to make sure the marine already exists when it tries to attach itself to it`
`16:34.15`	`Kueken`	`my experiments indicate it is a timing issue, the attachments being created before the marines exist eventually`
`16:34.21`	`Kueken`	`causing the attachmnet to fail`
`16:34.36`	`Obscene`	`ah`
`16:34.42`	`Obscene`	`So I could have also added a minor timer`
`16:34.49`	`Kueken`	`probably`
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`16:36.29`	`Kueken1`	`~seen Kueken`
`16:36.30`	`purl`	`kueken is currently on #sc2mapster (2h 7m 11s). Has said a total of 53 messages. Is idling for 1m 41s, last said: 'probably'.`
`16:36.33`	`Obscene`	`http://tech.uk.msn.com/features/the-best-of-gamescom-live Microsoft has a livestream of gamescom running`
`16:36.41`	`Kueken1`	`(18:35:15) Kueken: but you cannot do UnitBirth -> Timer, TimerExpired -> Create`
`16:39.29`	`kueen`	`xD`
`16:39.44`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`16:40.39`	`Obscene`	`IT WORKED`
`16:40.43`	`Obscene`	`I used timers though`
`16:40.50`	`Obscene`	`Well all the timers were on the marine itself`
`16:40.52`	`Obscene`	`as a failsafe`
`16:44.26`	`Obscene`	`Thanks Kueken I was stuck on that all yesterday`
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`17:22.57`	`Obscene`	`always another problem -_-`
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`17:27.24`	`Obscene`	`1 step forward 2 steps back`
`17:27.25`	`Obscene`	`lol`
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`17:34.55`	`Obscene`	`Your using data right goose?`
`17:35.16`	`Obscene`	`If so then you just need to add a term`
`17:35.19`	`Obscene`	`I believe its at caster`
`17:35.21`	`Obscene`	`not sure though`
`17:35.28`	`Obscene`	`or at target`
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`17:36.36`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:37.03`	`Obscene`	`hmm`
`17:37.04`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:37.15`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:37.23`	`Obscene`	`ah`
`17:37.42`	`Obscene`	`Kueken you there? maybe you know`
`17:38.27`	`Kueken`	`set sops dynamically?`
`17:38.38`	`Kueken`	`just a sec, had an example map for this somewhere...`
`17:40.40`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:42.50`	`Kueken`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:42.50`	`Kueken`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:43.12`	`Kueken`	`that works for me`
`17:43.34`	`Obscene`	`I swear everytime blizzard patches the editor UI... they make it worse haha`
`17:43.41`	`Obscene`	`everything is in browse windows...`
`17:43.55`	`Obscene`	`and when using the copy from action over 70% of the units aren't there`
`17:44.09`	`Kueken`	`yeah, they had the neat dropdowns before now you have to open everything...`
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`17:44.54`	`Obscene`	`Try using the copy action when creating a new actor, its completely broken`
`17:44.58`	`Kueken`	`I was wondering if this was affected by some view option`
`17:45.06`	`Kueken`	`so you could restore the dropdowns somehow`
`17:45.24`	`Obscene`	`I need to copy from the aberration model, but all the copy thing shows is FREAKING DOODADS!!!`
`17:45.33`	`Obscene`	`abberation actor*`
`17:45.55`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`17:49.34`	`Kueken`	`over time?`
`17:49.47`	`Kueken`	`you mean like moving it to the position gradually?`
`17:50.08`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:50.11`	`Kueken`	`you can use mover sites for that, but it is a little complicated`
`17:50.24`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:50.27`	`Kueken`	`or you use triggers and the GAx3 mod`
`17:50.43`	`Kueken`	`it provides very simple functions for that`
`17:51.58`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:52.20`	`Kueken`	`in events?`
`17:52.24`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:52.31`	`Dustin\|Work`	`haha ur funny goose :P`
`17:52.37`	`Kueken`	`well, sort of, but you cannot really do any calculations`
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`17:53.03`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:53.14`	`Kueken`	`you can do TimerExpired -> TimerSet and TimerExpired -> StatusIncrease`
`17:53.29`	`Kueken`	`and then use terms to break when Status is > some value`
`17:53.30`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:53.55`	`Kueken`	`but you cannot use the status for calculations, so your clockwise * status won't work`
`17:54.11`	`Kueken`	`you can also try to use smoothrotation sops instead`
`17:54.27`	`Kueken`	`never worked with them, though`
`17:54.36`	`Kueken`	`but apparently they work nicely`
`17:55.02`	`Kueken`	`yes, status is like a variable`
`17:55.04`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:55.13`	`Kueken`	`you can set it, increment it and check it`
`17:55.29`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:55.31`	`Kueken`	`if there is a rotate clockwise, it could work`
`17:55.54`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:56.03`	`Kueken`	`but afaik you can only set rotations to absolute values`
`17:56.15`	`zenx`	`PROGRAMMIGN MODE ON!`
`17:56.23`	`Kueken`	`the sop will always set it to the same rotation if you apply it multiple times`
`17:56.25`	`zenx`	`has kueken done any new cool stuff?`
`17:56.33`	`Kueken`	`not recently, no`
`17:56.38`	`zenx`	`aww`
`17:57.34`	`Kueken`	`what you also could try is add a Rotator siteop`
`17:58.27`	`Kueken`	`like apply rotator with a rate of .25 and after 1 second, apply clockwise 90`
`17:59.41`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:02.05`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:04.49`	`Kueken`	`I will try the rotator stuff, should just take a minute`
`18:06.50`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:07.11`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:07.19`	`Kueken`	`yay, crashed the editor`
`18:07.26`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:07.41`	`twodie`	`http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=170904329`
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`18:09.27`	`Kueken`	`yay`
`18:09.29`	`Kueken`	`again`
`18:09.40`	`Obscene`	`>`
`18:09.43`	`Obscene`	`'?`
`18:09.55`	`Kueken`	`open terms, press "t" and "i", editor crashes`
`18:10.02`	`Kueken`	`2 times in a row`
`18:10.16`	`Obscene`	`Ah, report it on the editor issues I suppose`
`18:10.52`	`Kueken`	`yeah, cool, works every time :D`
`18:11.33`	`Obscene`	`Hey kueken you have any idea why an attachment would move while the unit is moving but would loose animation if the unit stops moving?`
`18:11.55`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:11.57`	`Kueken`	`happens quite a lot with imported models`
`18:12.07`	`Kueken`	`usually intersecting marines fixes that, though`
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`18:13.29`	`Obscene`	`ok`
`18:18.02`	`Obscene`	`The aggrivation when you see everything that UpheavalArts has posted on the forums has had an instant reply -_-`
`18:19.07`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:19.15`	`Obscene`	`Starcraft U`
`18:19.18`	`Kueken`	`https://www.dropbox.com/s/wsyf16vqsvz5j3g/Dynamic%20SOps.SC2Map`
`18:19.32`	`Kueken`	`kind of like this?`
`18:20.15`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:21.41`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`18:22.35`	`Kueken`	`increase the timer, decrease the rotation rate`
`18:23.12`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:23.28`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`18:31.16`	`zenx`	`wanted to program`
`18:31.23`	`zenx`	`got like 2 lines of code and went to yourtube`
`18:31.24`	`zenx`	`:(`
`18:31.56`	`gooose`	`gr8....`
`18:32.13`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:40.09`	`SurDeeDs`	`Anyone know any good lighting effects?`
`18:40.19`	`Enexy`	`yeah`
`18:40.23`	`SurDeeDs`	`Something you can put as an actor and put it around without screwing over other objects.`
`18:40.24`	`Enexy`	`a disco ball is pretty cool`
`18:41.38`	`SurDeeDs`	`Touche.`
`18:43.36`	`Obscene`	`Douche.`
`18:47.42`	`Obscene`	`I have got to find a modeller`
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`19:02.04`	`Obscene`	`hmm I there a way so that I can make something only launch out of 1 of the weapons?`
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`19:10.18`	`motive`	`Debbie just hit the wall, she never had it all! One prozac a day! Husband's a CPA! Her dreams went out the door, when she turned 24. Only been with one man, what happened to her plan?`
`19:12.44`	`Obscene`	`wha?`
`19:13.01`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Its a bowling for soup song`
`19:13.05`	`Obscene`	`oh`
`19:13.46`	`push`	`are you talking about launching from only one of the weapon hardpts?`
`19:13.47`	`motive`	`^^`
`19:13.49`	`motive`	`:D`
`19:13.51`	`Obscene`	`Yeah push`
`19:14.03`	`Obscene`	`Or launching from an attachment`
`19:14.05`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`19:14.40`	`Obscene`	`"I have a dream, but nobody cares, nobody wants to listen" = Better song`
`19:15.36`	`motive`	`Stacy's mom, has got it going on! She's all I want, and I've waited for so long! Stacy can't you see? You're just not the girl for me, I know it might be wrong, but I'm in love with Stacy's mom.`
`19:15.50`	`push`	`use the pts in the periodic offset from a persistent as well asset the launch query in the attack action`
`19:15.54`	`push`	`actor rather`
`19:16.02`	`push`	`no action`
`19:17.01`	`push`	`go look in the ce if your unsure which attachment pt it is on the unit`
`19:17.56`	`Obscene`	`Nvm I found an easier way`
`19:17.56`	`Obscene`	`:)`
`19:18.30`	`Dustin\|Work`	`Anyone know what the connector is to get a unit with shields to display the shield graphics when attacked?`
`19:19.07`	`Obscene`	`Dustin between 1 and 10 GO http://i.imgur.com/WI8qJHG.jpg`
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`19:19.58`	`Dustin\|Work`	`That guys a 9`
`19:20.02`	`Dustin\|Work`	`He's abdass`
`19:20.04`	`Dustin\|Work`	`badass`
`19:20.08`	`Obscene`	`:) thanks, hes not done yet though`
`19:20.19`	`Obscene`	`Hes gunna have a laser, a cannon and a machine gun all shooting at once`
`19:20.44`	`Obscene`	`with a sniper laser coming from the small hole in his chest`
`19:28.48`	`Obscene`	`Can 1 damage effect not have multiple action actors?`
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`19:30.40`	`Repo`	`New experimental map: FLUB - Kulas Ravine - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/flub-kulas-ravine/`
`19:30.46`	`Repo`	`New map: FLUB - Kulas Ravine - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/flub-kulas-ravine/`
`19:32.07`	`Obscene`	`LAME`
`19:33.24`	`zenx`	`maratal`
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`19:42.47`	`Obscene`	`now I just have to get the Site operations to respond correctly.`
`19:50.54`	`Obscene`	`Kueken, I know I am buggin today, but I have a new question :P, When using action actors to attach to attachment models how do I offset the visual effect? I tried adding a 2nd SoP to every field it would allow me and still nothing, any ideas?`
`19:51.46`	`Kueken`	`try the action flags, there should be something like force impact site`
`19:52.29`	`Obscene`	`ok`
`19:52.31`	`Obscene`	`didnt think abou tthat`
`19:55.49`	`Obscene`	`didnt work`
`19:59.36`	`Obscene`	`I got it to work`
`19:59.44`	`Obscene`	`I have to offset the thing to a marine`
`20:03.55`	`Obscene`	`FUCKING CRASHES`
`20:03.59`	`Obscene`	`-_-`
`20:04.04`	`Obscene`	`This last patch had a LOT of bugs -_-`
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`20:06.52`	`Obscene`	`Ctl + Z`
`20:07.38`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:07.45`	`Obscene`	`lol`
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`20:12.06`	`Kueken`	`yes, it always is based on the original position`
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`20:18.50`	`Obscene`	`FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK`
`20:18.52`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`20:18.57`	`Obscene`	`you know whats irritating....`
`20:19.12`	`Obscene`	`When the terms you need are bugged and broken and auto crash the editor anytime they are selected`
`20:21.17`	`Vailreth`	`indeed`
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`20:22.00`	`Obscene`	`kIlledbyeffect`
`20:22.09`	`Obscene`	`and TimerExpired(only sometimes)`
`20:22.14`	`Obscene`	`Timername*`
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`20:30.23`	`Kueken`	`gooose: indeed, I don't think there is relative rotation`
`20:30.58`	`Obscene`	`AND!!!, everything broke -_-`
`20:31.10`	`Obscene`	`The editor is being a dick today lol`
`20:33.08`	`ArcanePariah`	`lol what broke now?`
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`20:34.35`	`gooose`	`sometimes it s facing the other direction`
`20:36.23`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:36.35`	`Kueken`	`cool`
`20:36.48`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:37.19`	`Kueken`	`you are using marines scaled really small for attachments, right?`
`20:37.35`	`mille25`	`Hey guys, it would be amazing if you could upvote this post on reddit so it displays on the front page: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1kwbb3/starcraft_universe_class_ability_demonstrations/`
`20:37.46`	`mille25`	`Would be very helpful :)`
`20:37.55`	`Kueken`	`sometimes the scale can be problematic, I would just leave them big and give them 0 opacity instead`
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`20:41.51`	`gooose`	`i think i figured the consistency out`
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`20:43.14`	`Kueken`	`okay`
`20:43.20`	`Kueken`	`sounds strange`
`20:43.33`	`Kueken`	`maybe a model issue, try to use a different model`
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`20:44.33`	`Kueken`	`make mothership unturnable :D`
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`21:09.45`	`Obscene`	`I get it!!!`
`21:09.49`	`Obscene`	`jk`
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`21:15.24`	`Obscene`	`hah`
`21:15.28`	`Obscene`	`What are you trying to do Goose?`
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`21:20.04`	`Obscene`	`Soo pretty much you want to turn the mothership upside down`
`21:20.15`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:20.19`	`Obscene`	`AH`
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`21:21.05`	`Obscene`	`AH`
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`21:27.10`	`Obscene`	`Hmm Who was it that made a metero storm.`
`21:27.15`	`Obscene`	`Was it you deadzergling/`
`21:28.39`	`Helral\|Gone`	`gooose: your final action sets the facing to 90 degrees further then it was before? (Timer Expired)`
`21:28.43`	`Kueken`	`I made one at some point, but I don't think I have shown it to anyone`
`21:28.54`	`Obscene`	`Ah`
`21:29.18`	`Obscene`	`I can make one, but someone told me they had a really awesome one, so I was wondering which actors they used to get it to look really good`
`21:29.19`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:29.28`	`Obscene`	`I decided that ability will be for later though`
`21:30.27`	`Helral`	`gooose: so your problem is that after the 5 seconds it does not hold his rotation position?`
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`21:30.37`	`Obscene`	`hmm I need to make a missile that will damage all units it comes in contact with I am guessing this can be done in 1 of two ways. Using Constant Persistants on the location of the missile, or Perhaps theres something in the movers`
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`21:31.09`	`Kueken`	`nothing in the movers, usual method is persistents or behaviors on the missile`
`21:31.18`	`Obscene`	`Hm alright`
`21:31.34`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:31.40`	`DeadZergling`	`meteor storm, no`
`21:31.46`	`DeadZergling`	`I made falling rocks of hurtfulness`
`21:31.49`	`Obscene`	`Imma just have the hero fire a large, very large missile out of his chest, that attacks a target point.`
`21:31.53`	`Obscene`	`AH that was it. :P`
`21:32.02`	`Kueken`	`gooose: in the example map I sent you, what do I have to do to see your problem?`
`21:32.18`	`Obscene`	`That hits everything on its way to its location`
`21:32.26`	`gooose`	`mh i m gonna try`
`21:32.37`	`Ahli`	`ok, someone had an UI question when I left?`
`21:33.06`	`A1win`	`*a UI question`
`21:34.04`	`A1win`	`(the article is based on pronunciation)`
`21:34.30`	`DeadZergling`	`Hooked on phonics wurked fer me!`
`21:34.43`	`Ahli`	`ok, someone had a JuAi question?`
`21:34.53`	`A1win`	`an UI for an hero`
`21:37.09`	`Obscene`	`Anyone have any ideas? http://i.imgur.com/Vy1HIpM.png I dont quite understand movers.`
`21:39.44`	`Kueken`	`shouldn't be too hard, 2 phases, 1 throw out of the back, another guidance with low turn rate`
`21:40.09`	`Kueken`	`similar to phoenix missiles`
`21:40.17`	`Kueken`	`you could start by looking there`
`21:40.31`	`Obscene`	`Okay thanks`
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`21:42.27`	`Kueken`	`k`
`21:43.52`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:44.17`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:44.24`	`Kueken`	`post please :)`
`21:44.40`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:45.03`	`Kueken`	`link the post`
`21:45.54`	`gooose`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:55.03`	`Kueken`	`o_0`
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`21:55.13`	`Kueken`	`nice rotation, looks like he is drunk`
`21:55.14`	`gooose`	`cant figure it out either?`
`21:55.27`	`Kueken`	`nah just looked at it for the first time`
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`21:59.06`	`Kueken`	`nothin`
`22:00.05`	`Kueken`	`okay, its most likely a problem with your 2 rotation site operations, and the way rotation in the game is handled in general`
`22:01.12`	`Kueken`	`if you rotate something to a specific angle with 2 rotation site ops, it will just flip`
`22:01.42`	`gooose_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:01.49`	`Kueken`	`thats a general issue with the yaw/pitch/roll vs directional vectors systems`
`22:01.57`	`Kueken`	`you might not be able to`
`22:02.13`	`Kueken`	`but it might be possible to just reduce the turning by a small amount`
`22:02.28`	`Kueken`	`a few degrees, so it won't mak ea difference visually`
`22:03.18`	`Kueken`	`the rotator works fine, its just the rotation sop afterwards which malfunctions`
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`22:06.48`	`Psywisp`	`hi`
`22:08.06`	`Kueken`	`also you use 1 rotation and 1 up vector`
`22:08.16`	`Kueken`	`might want to streamline that`
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`22:12.35`	`gooose_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:19.35`	`gooose_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:24.56`	`Kueken`	`:p`
`22:25.07`	`Kueken`	`no idea`
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`22:29.04`	`DeadZergling`	`no sympathy for you`
`22:29.12`	`gooose_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:29.29`	`DeadZergling`	`*unleashes a barbed drake wang attack!`
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`22:31.24`	`DeadZergling`	`was watching some duckish videos a few weeks ago`
`22:31.38`	`DeadZergling`	`those ducks mate like Scorpion from Mortal Kombat man, lol`
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`22:44.19`	`Vailreth`	`nearly four hours of work`
`22:44.21`	`Vailreth`	`Gone`
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`22:46.02`	`Necromoni`	`ow`
`22:46.05`	`Necromoni`	`what happen vailreth`
`22:46.30`	`Vailreth`	`blender crashed out while solving some motion tracking`
`22:46.55`	`Vailreth`	`and i was so caught up im my work i didnt save`
`22:47.00`	`Vailreth`	`boo hoo`
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`22:50.21`	`Necromoni`	`:l`
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`22:54.19`	`Necromoni`	`protosmo?`
`22:54.21`	`Necromoni`	`wth`
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`23:01.53`	`Obscene`	`damn`
`23:02.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Zoop.`
`23:02.36`	`Vailreth`	`damn crashed again on tracking`
`23:02.40`	`Obscene`	`lol`
`23:02.53`	`Psywisp`	`Tracking...tracking...tracking...`
`23:03.01`	`Obscene`	`CRASH`
`23:03.11`	`Psywisp`	`:P`
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`23:17.36`	`push`	`anyone know if its possible in data to launch a missile but have it owned by a different player?`
`23:24.13`	`Necromoni`	`which player`
`23:28.02`	`push`	`the player that has targeted the one launching the missile`
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`23:31.51`	`Kueken`	`that should be possible`
`23:34.35`	`push`	`so how would you set the owner of the missile?`
`23:35.31`	`Obscene`	`I dont understand this -_-`
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`23:41.33`	`Obscene`	`hmm I have made 12 heroes at this point and Have increased the attack speed of plenty of units... so why the hell isnt it working on this ability all of a sudden`
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`23:44.25`	`Necromoni`	`afaik beams are attached to points on a model`
`23:44.38`	`Necromoni`	`doubt they can rotate being attached, idk much abt em tho`
`23:45.39`	`Necromoni`	`btw push, a missile is just a unit, make a trigger so that if the missile is created to give it to player x or owner of unit (targetted unit), not sure if theres a data way to do it`
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`23:46.47`	`goose_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:46.56`	`push`	`ya data only play`
`23:47.02`	`push`	`can't a modify unit effect work`
`23:47.06`	`Obscene`	`always love it when something randomly breaks`
`23:47.13`	`Necromoni`	`maybe`
`23:47.32`	`Necromoni`	`ya it can`
`23:47.45`	`Necromoni`	`if u can get the missile to get a behavior`
`23:48.08`	`goose_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:48.14`	`Necromoni`	`u can`
`23:48.16`	`Necromoni`	`but can u`
`23:48.30`	`goose_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:48.53`	`Necromoni`	`personally i'd just do it via trigger`
`23:49.50`	`Necromoni`	`esp since blizzard changed " A unit was created by ability" to "Unit is created"`
`23:50.13`	`Necromoni`	`events`
`23:50.37`	`Obscene`	`Uhg The attack speed multiplier field is broken for me -_-`
`23:50.49`	`Necromoni`	`ya u said that`
`23:51.12`	`Necromoni`	`u gotta recheck links`
`23:51.13`	`Obscene`	`its broken on any thing I try to do it though -_-, not just the one I was doing`
`23:51.17`	`Necromoni`	`o`
`23:51.35`	`Obscene`	`The Movement speed Multiplier on the same buff behavior IS working though`
`23:51.40`	`Obscene`	`So the linking is perfectly correct`
`23:51.58`	`Necromoni`	`wouldnt say perfectly`
`23:52.00`	`Necromoni`	`but k`
`23:52.15`	`Necromoni`	`if theres an attack speed cap you mightve hit it?`
`23:52.26`	`Necromoni`	`weapons might not be viable to atk speed buffs?`
`23:52.29`	`Necromoni`	`try it on another unit`
`23:54.21`	`Obscene`	`I fixed it`
`23:54.32`	`Obscene`	`I was using too low of Numbers 5% does not computer for whatever reason`
`23:54.57`	`Necromoni`	`O.o`
`23:55.27`	`Necromoni`	`weird cuz i use 2% and it works`
`23:55.33`	`Obscene`	`:/`
`23:55.38`	`Obscene`	`I use 5% in other places and it works`
`23:55.53`	`Necromoni`	`r u sure it even works`
`23:56.00`	`Necromoni`	`maybe its so low u cant even see it change`
`23:56.04`	`Necromoni`	`?`
`23:56.11`	`Necromoni`	`o nvm`
`23:56.17`	`Necromoni`	`it'd have the littl (+)`
`23:56.17`	`Necromoni`	`lol`
`23:56.54`	`Necromoni`	`I use collapse buffed so i forgot about that.`
`23:57.13`	`Obscene`	`lawl`
`23:57.33`	`Obscene`	`Necro I have been doing data for a good while now :P and am well versed in behaviors, abilities effects actors etc`
`23:57.54`	`goose_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:58.40`	`Necromoni`	`ik`
`23:58.50`	`Necromoni`	`but smetimes u miss simple stuff`
`23:59.07`	`goose_`	`<PROTECTED>`

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