| 00:03.22 | JademusSreg | uses Nap Time. It's super-effective. |
| 00:05.44 | MoonEater | jade u sexy beast |
| 00:05.46 | MoonEater | u always leave me |
| 00:16.17 | DeadZergling | I think he just uses you for your body |
| 00:25.05 | MoonEater | i know right |
| 00:25.14 | MoonEater | DeadZergling |
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| 01:11.14 | Ahli | path of exile released a big patch to reduce the file size and memory related crashes :o |
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| 01:19.53 | Zandose | purple |
| 01:21.23 | Zandose | would orange be better? |
| 01:22.30 | Zandose | fine, be that way! |
| 01:23.37 | Zandose | i feel so alone here |
| 01:24.52 | Ahli | I'm busy finding out how I should dynamically organize buttons in a grid on API 10 |
| 01:25.35 | Zandose | bah bah bah. thats all i hear |
| 01:28.14 | DeadZergling | might want to get that hearing checked |
| 01:28.20 | DeadZergling | if bah bah bah is all you actually hear |
| 01:29.10 | Zandose | im just bored |
| 01:29.26 | DeadZergling | I would be too, if all I ever heard was bah bah bah |
| 01:29.55 | Ahli | odd tinnitus you got there |
| 01:30.42 | Ahli | mine made peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep... but luckily it vanished after a few months. Or I'm not noticing the sound anymore |
| 01:38.39 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmmm, good thing super powers aren't granted by sheer force of will. Otherwise I'd now have the ability for my kicks to make things break apart and then explode. Not really sure why I want to do this at the moment, just know I really do at this moment. |
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| 02:06.03 | DeadZergling | Hello Enexa |
| 02:06.14 | DeadZergling | with a y instead of a, lol |
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| 02:31.47 | DeadZergling | ah well, guess Enexy logged on to, afk, lol |
| 02:31.54 | DeadZergling | I'm out myself, later |
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| 03:10.15 | Frinckles | Heloooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 03:18.55 | Repo | New map: Pointless Facility - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/pointless-facility/ |
| 03:26.07 | Repo | New announcement: Archive Destroyers - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/archive-destroyers/ |
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| 03:50.03 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
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| 04:08.44 | ElectricPrism1 | Q: Can anyone point me to a link or tell me the trigger that creates text that moves up and fades out? |
| 04:08.58 | MoonEater|mobile | Text tag |
| 04:09.06 | MoonEater|mobile | With velocity |
| 04:10.22 | ElectricPrism1 | MoonEater|mobile: I only see CreateTextTag(Text,Players,Font Size,Point,Height Offset, Visible, Use Fog of War) |
| 04:10.40 | MoonEater|mobile | There r 2 |
| 04:10.49 | MoonEater|mobile | Text tag with velocity |
| 04:10.54 | MoonEater|mobile | I meab |
| 04:11.06 | MoonEater|mobile | A text tag mover action |
| 04:11.18 | MoonEater|mobile | The. Use a wait then destroy the tag |
| 04:11.45 | ElectricPrism1 | MoonEater|mobile - could the function not be showing up because my map was originally made during SC 1.5 ? |
| 04:12.03 | ElectricPrism1 | I see "Set Velocity Of Text Tag" |
| 04:12.25 | ElectricPrism1 | I think that might do it |
| 04:12.28 | MoonEater|mobile | No electric |
| 04:12.34 | MoonEater|mobile | And yes that's the actiob |
| 04:12.37 | MoonEater|mobile | Action |
| 04:12.40 | ElectricPrism1 | Ok cool :) |
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| 04:17.43 | Lepton | guys what does it mean if you get runtime error "trying to access element past the end of the array?" even though you are not accessing an element past the end of an array |
| 04:17.44 | Lepton | ? |
| 04:23.23 | JademusSreg | It means you are. |
| 04:23.42 | Frinckles | sigh I feel absolutely retarded but I cant find out how to reveal the map for all players |
| 04:24.11 | Frinckles | Create revealer for (all players) doesnt seem to be an option |
| 04:24.24 | JademusSreg | Probably something like Set visibility for region Shit for players Fuckers to Visible. |
| 04:24.55 | JademusSreg | There's an entire vision category of trigger actions. |
| 04:25.09 | JademusSreg | Can't quite recall the name of the action. |
| 04:25.19 | Frinckles | create revealer. |
| 04:25.28 | JademusSreg | Naw, that's unnecessary. |
| 04:26.06 | Frinckles | mmm |
| 04:26.13 | Lepton | JademusSreg, what maps did you make? |
| 04:26.27 | JademusSreg | All of them. All of the maps. |
| 04:26.53 | JademusSreg | In script, I call VisRevealArea(player,area,0,false); |
| 04:27.22 | JademusSreg | I call this function from inside a loop iterating over the active players. |
| 04:28.16 | JademusSreg | Here's the native function definition: |
| 04:28.16 | Frinckles | Well, damn. |
| 04:28.17 | JademusSreg | native void VisRevealArea (int player, region area, fixed duration, bool checkCliffLevel); // Zero duration means permanent |
| 04:29.21 | Lepton | but seriously |
| 04:29.32 | Lepton | id like to check out your maps |
| 04:29.35 | JademusSreg | One may use revealers, of course, but it depends on the design. |
| 04:29.52 | Frinckles | I guess I'm just trying to make the function work for all players. |
| 04:30.02 | Frinckles | doesn't seem to like the idea, or something. |
| 04:30.16 | Frinckles | Because it not only gives me errors, but also doesn't work. |
| 04:30.56 | JademusSreg | Alright. Identificationary (discontinued), Photon Cycles (no longer maintained), Starcraft Universe (contributor), and I'm working on a demo of some ideas while I cultivate a new design. |
| 04:31.22 | JademusSreg | And I've assisted on any number of maps. |
| 04:31.39 | Frinckles | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.48 | JademusSreg | Er. |
| 04:32.13 | JademusSreg | Why not just input the player value directly? Why the playergroup shenanigans? |
| 04:32.27 | JademusSreg | Players are ints, so an integer value would work fine there. |
| 04:32.41 | Frinckles | Well, because if I wanted to use the player values, then I'd have to make an action for each player. |
| 04:32.49 | JademusSreg | Er. |
| 04:32.54 | Frinckles | I figured that was frowned upon. |
| 04:32.59 | Frinckles | or something. |
| 04:33.14 | JademusSreg | Both are frowned upon; better still to iterate. |
| 04:33.55 | Frinckles | I suppose |
| 04:34.02 | Frinckles | Guess ill just do that. :P |
| 04:34.12 | Lepton | *jademussreg maps are top secret* |
| 04:34.57 | JademusSreg | Like this, Frink: https://pastee.org/q2yyh |
| 04:35.57 | JademusSreg | It would defeat entirely the point of making a demo map if I didn't use it to demonstrate solutions. |
| 04:36.20 | Frinckles | You're using data view correct? |
| 04:36.27 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 04:36.35 | JademusSreg | I used script. |
| 04:36.57 | Frinckles | Is it bad if I don't use script? .__. |
| 04:37.15 | JademusSreg | The program logic is what matters, not the form. |
| 04:37.35 | JademusSreg | In this case, iterating a playergroup with a for loop to call the function for each player. |
| 04:39.34 | Frinckles | for each player in player group do actions: |
| 04:39.41 | Frinckles | you're a genius |
| 04:40.01 | Frinckles | :D ....if it works. lol |
| 04:40.30 | Frinckles | Sure it will though; it just doesn't seem to like me using individual functions for all players. It wants to know what it's dealing with |
| 04:40.32 | Frinckles | or something |
| 04:44.54 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/JademusDemo.SC2Map |
| 04:45.10 | JademusSreg | I'll upload the latest version. |
| 04:45.34 | JademusSreg | Thar we go. |
| 04:46.25 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I've been redesigning the boss abilities, need to redesign the ancillary drone attacks as well. |
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| 04:53.39 | Mexa | mornin' |
| 04:53.49 | JademusSreg | Hallo Mexaling. |
| 04:54.06 | Mexa | Hey Jademüsli! |
| 04:54.13 | Mexa | <3¨ |
| 04:54.37 | JademusSreg | ♥ |
| 04:55.04 | Mexa | Did you happend to see sourcex latest map/mod on sc2? |
| 04:55.19 | JademusSreg | Link? |
| 04:55.37 | Mexa | http://www.cgsource.net/jetcraft.html#/general/ |
| 04:56.32 | Mexa | Why he isn't working with game development in general instead of modding for sc2 is beyond my knowledge |
| 04:57.27 | JademusSreg | One can't do both? |
| 04:57.34 | Mexa | well, yes of course |
| 04:58.07 | Mexa | But I would sure be interested in what he would come up with as well, outside of sc2 |
| 04:59.06 | JademusSreg | Time to open it up. |
| 05:05.05 | JademusSreg | I cannot understand why in this code one would choose to use the GUI prefixes in manually-written galaxy. |
| 05:05.53 | Mexa | Perhaps to ensure compat with gui users, that are using the gui editor themselves? |
| 05:05.57 | Mexa | or? |
| 05:06.36 | JademusSreg | Naw, these are definitely coded in script, with lp_ and lv_ prefixes which would be entirely inaccessible to GUI users. |
| 05:06.44 | Mexa | I can also see a convenience to adopt a general naming convention that already exists |
| 05:07.19 | JademusSreg | Not consistently; the identifiers in the global namespace don't have such prefixes. |
| 05:07.52 | Mexa | Tho, I admit I'm not very fond of Blizzard's naming convention |
| 05:08.05 | Mexa | oh, well yeah |
| 05:08.16 | Mexa | How's he handling those? |
| 05:08.51 | Mexa | I mean, are you implying that Blizzard's global namespace doesn't use prefixes, or that solely he isn't? |
| 05:09.19 | JademusSreg | Whoever wrote this code isn't using such prefixes consistently. |
| 05:10.33 | Mexa | Aight |
| 05:10.52 | Mexa | Did you try it in game as well? |
| 05:11.01 | JademusSreg | Why would I do that? =D |
| 05:11.15 | Mexa | He has his own editor and scripting language for the game |
| 05:11.19 | Mexa | in the game |
| 05:11.20 | Mexa | :P |
| 05:11.56 | JademusSreg | Yeah. Superduper sandbox, discerned that from the site. |
| 05:12.42 | Mexa | Seems to be quite committed to making it polished anyway |
| 05:12.45 | Mexa | *he |
| 05:14.55 | JademusSreg | The repetitive code is irksome, but one must admit it is something of a feat, like a palace made of toothpicks. |
| 05:16.33 | Mexa | I'm sorry, I've never heard that expression before:P |
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| 05:18.21 | JademusSreg | This is the first I've heard of it, and I don't much see the point. I see how it might be useful to Cortex RPers, or people unable to use the editor proficiently, or people occupying an exceedingly tiny creative niche, or as a framework for the person making more content. |
| 05:19.22 | JademusSreg | http://thisiscolossal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/weaver-1.jpg |
| 05:19.42 | JademusSreg | Presumably, this was made from toothpicks. |
| 05:19.49 | Vindicator | wow |
| 05:20.10 | Mexa | mm, I think there's a video of it on youtube |
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| 05:21.37 | Mexa | Jademus, personally I was impressed because he actually took time to put so much work into an editor that suits his map very well, even though yes, he didn't have to |
| 05:21.48 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 05:23.05 | Mexa | And as well, wondering why he didn't make it as a mobile game or something similar, having his game be supported with an editor like that one |
| 05:24.56 | JademusSreg | That is quite a politely expressed back-handed compliment. =D |
| 05:25.44 | Mexa | How's that an insult? |
| 05:26.18 | Mexa | He knows programming, I'm sure of it. And I'm sure he would manage to do it without sc2 |
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| 05:26.53 | Mexa | Well, it wasn't meant as an insult |
| 05:27.52 | JademusSreg | Haha, I agree with your previously stated curiosity. =D |
| 05:29.56 | Mexa | And looking at his site content, he seems to be a multi-knowing guy, handling both modeling, texturing and coding well. It makes me a bit jealous since I only know some programming:P |
| 05:32.01 | Mexa | By the way Jademus, what have you been up to recently? |
| 05:33.13 | JademusSreg | Working on a demo, exploring some gameplay ideas. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/JademusDemo.SC2Map |
| 05:34.03 | Mexa | Oh, I thought you quit :D |
| 05:34.15 | JademusSreg | I did. |
| 05:34.59 | Mexa | but? |
| 05:35.37 | JademusSreg | I figured it would be beneficial to make another critically acclaimed map. =D |
| 05:36.28 | Mexa | fair enough ;D |
| 05:36.45 | Mexa | What are you experimenting with? I couldn't load your map |
| 05:36.56 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 05:37.04 | JademusSreg | Do you have HotS? |
| 05:37.09 | Mexa | Nope |
| 05:37.30 | JademusSreg | I use a few HotS assets. Oops. |
| 05:37.52 | Mexa | I suspected so when loading it in the editor. It did load without the dependencies, but loading it ingame told me I had no license to play single player games |
| 05:38.18 | Mexa | and then it started loading a patch, so... hrrhrr |
| 05:39.49 | JademusSreg | I also managed to port my TPS system to GUI. Or I think I did; would need to ask Vail to confirm if it's working. |
| 05:40.15 | Mexa | Aight. That's nice :) |
| 05:40.30 | JademusSreg | And by port, I mean wrapped the script in GUI, which was tough, considering GUI doesn't support funcref. |
| 05:40.54 | Mexa | oh yeah. How did you solve that? |
| 05:42.50 | Enexy-Home | hola |
| 05:43.04 | Frinckles | Quick question |
| 05:43.06 | JademusSreg | Yes, nice thing to do, because I'm a self-centered, megalomaniacal, narcissist, and doing nice things is an optimal means by which to dominate the social economy. That's how communities work, amirite? |
| 05:43.07 | Mexa | hi |
| 05:43.27 | JademusSreg | *megalomaniacal, vain narcissist |
| 05:44.05 | Mexa | ehm :D |
| 05:44.12 | Frinckles | If I have use triggering player for something that turns another trigger on, will it still remember what the triggering player was for the trigger that was activated? |
| 05:44.14 | JademusSreg | And I circumvented the issue with a hacky action that is flagged as both a custom script action and uses custom script content with the #CUSTOM macro. |
| 05:44.28 | Frinckles | rather, who* |
| 05:45.20 | Mexa | Jademus, it's nice for GUI-users if they want to use your content, and avoid spending time learning the usefulness of scripting:P |
| 05:45.35 | JademusSreg | Frink, Triggering player and similar event responses apparently can be passed on to child threads, but not merely triggers that are enabled. |
| 05:46.04 | Mexa | Shoot |
| 05:46.04 | Frinckles | So, it won't work? :/ |
| 05:46.09 | Mexa | I should go and get ready |
| 05:46.22 | JademusSreg | Mexa, so basically the GUI user need only input the correct name of the function as it appears in custom script. |
| 05:46.43 | JademusSreg | So very low burden on the GUI user. |
| 05:47.00 | Mexa | Aight |
| 05:47.03 | JademusSreg | Oh, I also have a cold or flu or some shit. |
| 05:47.12 | Mexa | wonderful:P |
| 05:47.44 | JademusSreg | Frink, no, but you can execute the trigger from the parent trigger. |
| 05:47.44 | Mexa | Take care man. I have to go to a meeting |
| 05:47.52 | Mexa | I might get around later |
| 05:47.53 | JademusSreg | Then it can be passed along, iirc. |
| 05:48.06 | JademusSreg | Understood, Mexaling. |
| 05:48.08 | Frinckles | But Jade, could I instead add the triggering player to a variable and reference it with the other trigger? |
| 05:48.20 | JademusSreg | Yes, you can do that, as well. |
| 05:48.38 | Frinckles | mmm |
| 05:48.55 | JademusSreg | And provided there are no other triggers in the queue that could modify said variable, it should work fine. |
| 05:51.21 | Frinckles | Okay thanks, that's helpful. C: |
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| 05:52.11 | JademusSreg | No problem. If you have any other technical questions, especially interesting problems, lemme know. |
| 05:57.45 | JademusSreg | Vailreth, keep me updated on the performance of the system. Bugs, in particular, since I neglected to test it before sending it to you. |
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| 06:08.11 | duckies | guys, a question, in events+ tab, you've got all events in 1 window or you got different tabs, on for default events, other for modified |
| 06:08.55 | JademusSreg | Er, events tab? |
| 06:09.12 | duckies | actors events I mean |
| 06:09.23 | JademusSreg | The Events+ field in the actor data, actor events, I'm familiar with that, yes. |
| 06:09.35 | JademusSreg | Don't quite understand the rest of the question/. |
| 06:09.45 | duckies | when you open it, it displays all events in one huge list? |
| 06:09.56 | JademusSreg | Usually, yes. |
| 06:11.04 | duckies | hm ;/ |
| 06:11.13 | JademusSreg | Is there a problem? |
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| 06:12.10 | duckies | I need to find map editor page on blizz site where they have all those blizz tutorials |
| 06:13.01 | duckies | oh nvm |
| 06:13.03 | duckies | found it |
| 06:13.31 | JademusSreg | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/game/maps-and-mods/tutorials/data/1#best |
| 06:13.55 | ArcanePariah | Jade, what exactly is the intent of the Action actors, besides sparing all the assoiciated actors from having create messages in them? |
| 06:14.43 | ArcanePariah | It appears Action actors are kind of meant to be like a catchall kind of actor for any interactions that involve 2 entites and 1 effect |
| 06:15.37 | JademusSreg | Action actors are exceedingly useful. Think of them as the abstraction governing relationships between launch and source sites, like a relationship between an attacker and an attackee. |
| 06:15.49 | JademusSreg | *launch and target sites |
| 06:16.18 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, it seemed to be a unifying actor, in which you can, from a single actor, govern any attack or launch effect |
| 06:16.28 | JademusSreg | They manage quite a lot of complexity. |
| 06:16.59 | duckies | Jade, look at this screenshot of events+ field, did it ever make out of blizz? http://media.blizzard.com/sc2/game/maps-and-mods/tutorials/data/en-us/040-changingunitactor-actorwindow.jpg |
| 06:16.59 | ArcanePariah | And if you wish more custom interaction in such relations, you can specifiy a custom actor so the action actor can provide the approrpriate events |
| 06:17.16 | duckies | (Actor events seperated by Inherited and Custom) |
| 06:17.25 | JademusSreg | Arcane, be more specific and I can assist. |
| 06:17.43 | ArcanePariah | Since it seems for nearly every part, you can specify the assets involved, and then the actors that govern said assets. I am mostly kind of theorcrafting atm, just wondering why the exist |
| 06:18.08 | JademusSreg | Duck, that's an interesting observation. I suppose it may exist under some view settings. |
| 06:19.22 | JademusSreg | Arc, if you should have any specific questions, I'll be available to answer. |
| 06:19.50 | ArcanePariah | For a more specific question, how does the Actor sharing work? Where it states it can reuse an existing actor instead of creating a new one |
| 06:20.23 | duckies | I'd hope so, now I need to wait 8h to get home and seek it out, though I don't remember seeing anything that suggests that there is such thing |
| 06:20.32 | ArcanePariah | Is this meant to be a performance saver, by basically making a pointer to an existing actor object instead of creating an entire new one in memory? |
| 06:20.56 | JademusSreg | I've noticed it mostly used for Site actors. Helps to reduce the number of actors created in scopes or subscopes which share the same purpose. |
| 06:23.19 | JademusSreg | For generic actors without any "special" qualities, it makes sense for them to Share. Sites, and especially siteops, tend to be generic, so it makes the most sense for them. |
| 06:24.23 | ArcanePariah | Oh, that reminds me now, how exactly does the Host Supporter work? There is only one work example of it involving the Spine Crawler, since apparently the Spine Crawler projectile is invisible and the Actor somehow knows to move the Spine Crawler to the target. I would like to apply this since I have multiple models that have model additions but the additional models do not bend/conform to |
| 06:24.23 | ArcanePariah | the base unit movements/actions so say, when a infested human model does its attack animation, all the other model attachments just hover there and do not conform to the unit orientation as it does its attack animation |
| 06:25.04 | JademusSreg | Doesn't sound like a Host Supporter problem. |
| 06:25.17 | JademusSreg | But I have some fine examples of how to perform model attachments. |
| 06:25.41 | ArcanePariah | Hmm... then something must be wrong with the site ops or the model attachments got broke by a Blizzard patch (I did not do them originally) |
| 06:25.49 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Kubi%20Heroes.SC2Map |
| 06:26.19 | JademusSreg | The custom infested command center being the demonstration. |
| 06:27.59 | ArcanePariah | Ok, i'll take a look, but I think my issue lies in the fact that the models are created as seperate actors, based on the birth/creation of a unit and then uses site ops to simply positon them relative to the unit. I would assume there is a vastly better way then this |
| 06:28.35 | JademusSreg | Yes, model swap. |
| 06:29.16 | JademusSreg | The model swap actor message should be used in the unit actor, to preserve the references. |
| 06:30.15 | ArcanePariah | Well, there is 3 actors involved, the unit base model and then 2 other models are created and using site ops, position on the unit to make it look differnt from other zombies which use the same base model (Infested human in this case) |
| 06:30.31 | ArcanePariah | Is there a way to simple composite the 3 models on 1 actor? |
| 06:31.27 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 06:32.09 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/Stukov%20and%20Infested%20Friends.jpg |
| 06:32.40 | ArcanePariah | Ok, I'll take a look, thank you |
| 06:32.40 | JademusSreg | Unit actor with approx 10 or so attachments. |
| 06:35.33 | ArcanePariah | Ok, excellent. On the Local Rotation in the AttachModelOffset message, why is there 6 values? I am unfamiliar with how the rotations work |
| 06:35.51 | JademusSreg | It's two vectors. |
| 06:36.27 | JademusSreg | A forward rotation vector and an up rotation vector. |
| 06:37.49 | ArcanePariah | So for say, a cylinder, one vector would just spin it about the axis runnining paralell to it, the other one about the axis perpendicular to it? |
| 06:39.08 | JademusSreg | The two rotational vectors make it a matrix, so this would be helpful. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotation_matrix |
| 06:39.26 | ArcanePariah | Ahh yes, much better |
| 06:39.32 | JademusSreg | Anyway, yes. |
| 06:40.44 | JademusSreg | The two are needed to describe the rotation in 3 dimensions; were there 4 dimensions, it would require 3 rotation vectors for the matrix, and so on. |
| 06:42.03 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, I took a class on Computer Graphics a while ago, and seems like I should have remembered more from that |
| 06:42.15 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 06:43.35 | ArcanePariah | Though it was just using OpenGL and I was used to the forms they provide for the Basic Rotations (3x3 matricies), plus translations and reflections (to create frustrums) |
| 06:44.39 | Frinckles | Jade, I has a question if you might be able to help. |
| 06:45.48 | JademusSreg | Whatsoever the intellect models may be transformed, with knew information derived from new perspectives provided therein. One may bend a line, and derive the principles of an arc, so to speal. =D |
| 06:45.54 | JademusSreg | Frink, wat? |
| 06:45.59 | Frinckles | I have a bolean array for W, A, S, D, and a trigger that every 0.01 seconds of game time is supposed to issue an order if conditions are met |
| 06:46.37 | Frinckles | the problem is, it wants me to give it the value for the condition. For example, W_on[0] = True |
| 06:47.01 | Frinckles | But I don't know how to make it work for every player without having 6 different W forward triggers all running at 0.01 game time. |
| 06:47.09 | Frinckles | I guess I could, but it seems silly. |
| 06:47.13 | JademusSreg | Frink, sounds like it's covered by my systems, but if you wanna do it from scratch, I can assist. |
| 06:47.45 | Frinckles | I'm just following a onetwo tutorial |
| 06:47.55 | Frinckles | but it's for a single player, and I've been making it multiplayer. :P |
| 06:48.00 | JademusSreg | I don't bother with tutorials. |
| 06:48.22 | JademusSreg | But this code has a straightforward mathematical solution: https://pastee.org/k3kz8 |
| 06:48.34 | JademusSreg | Goto Controller_EvaluateMovement |
| 06:48.55 | JademusSreg | Specifically: ATan2(up-down,right-left)+CameraGetYaw(player)+Controller.angleOffset |
| 06:49.41 | JademusSreg | From the angle, one gets a point with a polar offset, and issues the order. |
| 06:49.52 | JademusSreg | Demonstrated in Controller_ExecuteMovement |
| 06:50.42 | JademusSreg | As for detecting key input, the best approach is a centralized one; divorce the usage of the input from the capture of the input itself. |
| 06:51.10 | JademusSreg | Aaaand don't poll every 0.01 game seconds; that's not a valid value. |
| 06:51.19 | Frinckles | .____. |
| 06:51.25 | ArcanePariah | Jade, what is the difference between using the local fields provided in Actors messages, such as Local Offset and Rotation vs using Site Ops |
| 06:51.31 | JademusSreg | 0.0625 game seconds is the update rate for synchronous game objects. |
| 06:51.59 | Frinckles | Jade, one day I'll learn your input system because it looks awesome and extremely useful, but I'm too Galaxy editor-dumb to understand it unfortunately. |
| 06:52.02 | ArcanePariah | Besides the added complexity of not using existing fields |
| 06:52.21 | JademusSreg | Arc, depends on what one needs. The message field over the site ops approach means fewer entries and objects. |
| 06:52.29 | Frinckles | I'm getting there though I guess. /shrug |
| 06:52.43 | JademusSreg | Frink, I made a GUI wrap of it. |
| 06:53.06 | JademusSreg | Input for GUI: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/JadeLib%20Input.SC2Lib |
| 06:53.24 | ArcanePariah | So simpler, but less flexible, Site Ops can be resued, but also that is dangerous because using the same ops in many places may be constricting later |
| 06:53.29 | JademusSreg | And the more experimental TPS system for GUI: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/JadeLib%20TPS.SC2Lib |
| 06:54.06 | ArcanePariah | Funny how everything boils down to the same trade off: Complex but flexible, simple but inflexible |
| 06:54.16 | ArcanePariah | Or at least it appears that way |
| 06:55.19 | JademusSreg | Arc, in this case, the message is preferable, avoids extra siteops. |
| 06:56.20 | ArcanePariah | Is there ANY way to have multiple instances of a tab open in the data editor at once, so I can be viewing one Actor, but editing another? The table view mostly allows for this, but Actor messages are not functional really, it ALWAYS pops up the big list |
| 06:56.39 | JademusSreg | Ctrl click. |
| 06:56.49 | JademusSreg | Each entry is added to a tab. |
| 06:57.44 | ArcanePariah | Which view is this in? Table or Detail? |
| 06:58.28 | JademusSreg | Table. |
| 06:58.36 | JademusSreg | Though tab is the wrong word. Column. |
| 06:59.45 | ArcanePariah | Like I'm trying to edit the actor messages of an actor, it will only let me edit in that actor, I can not view or otherwise interact outside that window, unitl I close it, so if I need to look at another actor, I have to close what I'm currently editng, go look/examine the other object (sometiems opening that ssame window) then go back to the orignal actor and finish the changes |
| 07:00.15 | JademusSreg | Detail is a useless view; since the xml defining the editor properties are reread each and every time, and most of the xml exist to define the Detail layout, it adds a whole fuck of a lot of overhead time parsing and rendering that shit. |
| 07:00.39 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, I gave up on Detail a long time ago, the performance was just... /wrist |
| 07:01.16 | ArcanePariah | Mostly use table, XML sometimes is faster if doing a bit of copy pasting |
| 07:01.37 | JademusSreg | Ah, in that case, you might have more luck making changes in XML view. So long as they are syntactically valid, they will commit, or you can wait to commit, so you can switch to whatever you want. |
| 07:01.48 | ArcanePariah | Alrighty |
| 07:02.23 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, since the dialog is modal, there's no direct solution short of modifying the editor xml. |
| 07:03.16 | JademusSreg | Though on the plus side, you don't need to be hamstrung by the modal dialog for browsing assets if you use the console to browse. |
| 07:03.36 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, I heard about that about a week ago, very useful |
| 07:04.30 | JademusSreg | For reference, the only useful View flag is Combine structure values, since it allows the user to fold/collapse them. |
| 07:05.27 | ArcanePariah | Yes, that one, plus occasionally I use the "Show only different fields" one, when working with multiple level abilites and debugging stuff with them |
| 07:05.33 | JademusSreg | The others make navigation more difficult since they tend to move shit around. Show Field Categories is optional, arguably useful. |
| 07:05.52 | ArcanePariah | Useful for filtering out redudent stuff from time to time |
| 07:05.58 | ArcanePariah | redundant* |
| 07:06.07 | ArcanePariah | God my spelling is sucking tonight |
| 07:06.15 | JademusSreg | XML view is excellent for stripping out copy-cruft. |
| 07:06.19 | Frinckles | ughh |
| 07:06.48 | JademusSreg | Trouble, Frink? |
| 07:07.10 | Frinckles | actually wait.. |
| 07:07.24 | Frinckles | I might have an idea, I'll come ughing back if nothing happens |
| 07:07.31 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, one thing I'm having to go back and do is redefining parents of a lot of objects, to take advantage of the hierarchal inheritance. For instance, many of the range actors in my game were defined from the base range actor, which is a waste when there is a Range Ability actor that makes it A) less fields and B) damm easy to define |
| 07:07.31 | JademusSreg | Noted. |
| 07:08.05 | JademusSreg | Yes. Also, custom tokens are of great use. |
| 07:08.21 | ArcanePariah | At some point I need to examine all the objects in my game and maybe rearrange them as to leverage the hierarchial stuff more |
| 07:09.04 | ArcanePariah | Like... all the selectable heros in the game have a common set of abilites, but when the game was first made, they did not design a template base, just made the first and copy pasted from there... |
| 07:09.12 | ArcanePariah | :9 |
| 07:09.14 | ArcanePariah | :( |
| 07:09.29 | JademusSreg | Yes, I notice that repeatedly when I gut maps. |
| 07:09.58 | ArcanePariah | Thankfully they are not changed at all really, but if I needed to add a common ability, I would have to add it 14 times... when with a templat, it would be simple as adding it to the base, then clicking "Apply to children" |
| 07:10.33 | JademusSreg | Are you acquainted with adding custom tokens? |
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| 07:11.12 | ArcanePariah | Adding them, no I have never done them, but when I was doing that Range Actor cleanup, I did examine the base actors, and I undertand the concept, they serve as basically variables for actors |
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| 07:11.36 | ArcanePariah | in which you can place the ID's for other data objects |
| 07:12.01 | ArcanePariah | And from the dialog, it appears they can be any game object |
| 07:12.01 | JademusSreg | Yes, and more importantly increase readability and reduce XML bulk. =D |
| 07:12.45 | JademusSreg | The type isn't usually important, except for fields that are prevalidated. |
| 07:12.57 | ArcanePariah | Further leveraging the hierarchy. In programming terms, they allow you to define a interface class, something that is never created directly, but can be extended to any type as needed |
| 07:13.11 | JademusSreg | And for some fields, determining the type is trial and error. =\ |
| 07:13.16 | ArcanePariah | In my case, a Range actor for any ability |
| 07:13.19 | ArcanePariah | or a behavior |
| 07:13.22 | JademusSreg | Yes, it's a shame they are so underused. |
| 07:14.23 | JademusSreg | Once you make use of custom tokens, you'll find a further boost to your efficiency. =D |
| 07:15.00 | ArcanePariah | Indeed, but that I feel is the ultimate strenght and flaw of the editor: It was designed for people with formal/professional software design experience who ahd taken CS like courses, which means for people like you and me, theses tools are god sends, to be leveraged for large productivity, but for most, they are simply a frustration, who then end up bruteforcing it in triggers or copy |
| 07:15.01 | ArcanePariah | pasting data around |
| 07:15.19 | Frinckles | yeah ok I'm out of ideas. lol |
| 07:15.31 | ArcanePariah | And then wonder why the game performance suffers and bug crop up regularly |
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| 07:16.03 | Frinckles | Jade, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_5SDcM8AH8 That's the tutorial bit I'm on now. He has a trigger for the movement to occur if the keys are pressed |
| 07:16.21 | Frinckles | but I just don't know how to reference my hero array for each player with it. |
| 07:16.28 | Frinckles | And I don't think it'd be possible. |
| 07:16.32 | ArcanePariah | For me, that's probably the most important thing I do for NotD now a days, abstract and clean up the code and make it modular and scalable |
| 07:16.44 | JademusSreg | Well, much as I might condemn the crappy technical quality of most maps, the most important thing is the design and the realization of well-designed gameplay, even if it is a turd-castle beneath the facade. |
| 07:17.28 | JademusSreg | So if persistent content devs wanna brute force and make technically shitty maps that demonstrate a modicum of brilliance, I'm in favor of that. =D |
| 07:17.50 | ArcanePariah | To be honest, that can said for virtually all software, most software is produced under unrealistic economic or social expectations, and the techical value of it is the first thing to give way. As the saying goes "Good fast cheap, choose 2" |
| 07:19.00 | JademusSreg | Frink, I'm not gonna bother with tutorials, especially not video tutorials. But I can explain how to implement key and mouse control, or even direct you on how to implement my stuff. |
| 07:19.14 | ArcanePariah | And the only reason games can get away with that to a degree is that more often then not, they throw the entire codebase away to start on the next one. Game engines are reused, but everything else I think is just tossed out |
| 07:20.26 | JademusSreg | Arc, yeah. "Optimize around bottlenecks" and other practical advice is the norm when getting all the shit to work on a deadline trumps doing it The Right Way. |
| 07:20.42 | Frinckles | I'm willing to learn I suppose. Like I said, I'm pretty new to the a lot of the technical things. |
| 07:21.08 | Frinckles | Ill scrap all the mumbo jumbo from the tutorial |
| 07:21.19 | JademusSreg | I prefer fast and dirty prototyping, then good and patient followthrough. |
| 07:21.47 | RazielZ | Video programming tutorials are the worst thing to happen to the world since HITLER. |
| 07:22.12 | JademusSreg | Frink, so do you want the principles and outline of a good WASD+mouse implementation, or do you want to know how to implement my system? |
| 07:22.36 | ArcanePariah | Agreed, for the practical reason that software complexity has reachd a point that no matter how through a code review you do, something will slip past, and also people are constantly changing how the software works and any long lived software package barely resembles the original one |
| 07:22.49 | Frinckles | Probably the principles first. Because there's constantly debates about the best ways to impliment it. Data/trigger, this, that. Lag, no lag, etc etc. |
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| 07:23.44 | ArcanePariah | The problem with any input system I would assume is that we have 2 variables complete outside our control: The netcode governing player interaction on B.net, and the limitations of the Sc2 engine |
| 07:24.55 | JademusSreg | Everyone posting about "lagless" key+mouse controls it on the forums can go ahead and turn themselves inside out and chew at their own rectums from within, a veritable ouroboros of rectal mastication. |
| 07:25.28 | ArcanePariah | ... why would they make such a statement, the 2 limitations I stated above functionally make such a system impossible |
| 07:25.33 | JademusSreg | Because "lagless" is not technically achievable with the latency bnet imposes. |
| 07:25.45 | Frinckles | I figured one wouldn't exist. But I also figured that there were ways to make one that would add delays because of badly designed triggers. |
| 07:26.00 | JademusSreg | Yes, all one can control is efficiency. |
| 07:26.03 | Frinckles | I'm trying to avoid the latter. |
| 07:26.24 | ArcanePariah | Correct, there is the baseline lag that is the overhead of the environment, and their is our own poor coding, we can control the latter, not the former |
| 07:26.27 | JademusSreg | And to that end, I'll explain the optimal setup. |
| 07:27.26 | ArcanePariah | Jade, before you get started, one last thing, in the Local Rotation Field, which vector is listed first, Up or Forward? |
| 07:27.55 | JademusSreg | Key concepts (and the code modules' purposes): Input capture, updating & player polling, control systems. |
| 07:28.15 | JademusSreg | Arc, I assume Forward is first, but am uncertain. |
| 07:28.29 | ArcanePariah | Ok, I'll try it out and verify for you |
| 07:28.43 | Frinckles | Input Capture, I believe I understand. But what are the other two? |
| 07:31.32 | JademusSreg | Frink, each of these describes a separate system which form a hierarchy; Input should consist of as few triggers and events as possible, and no other triggers should share their events. It should be the end-all-be-all-fuck-all system, and you'll want an easy way to check the states once they are stored. Something like this: https://pastee.org/j4bwz |
| 07:33.20 | ArcanePariah | Jade, it is indeed Forward, then Up |
| 07:34.18 | JademusSreg | Your update code should be a dedicated thread, one that never stops under typical gameplay circumstances, and doesn't need an event to perpetuate itself. In this way, it can never be interrupted in a worst-case galaxy vm scenario, where there are too many threads. A dedicated thread should not be able to fail under these circumstances, not without deliberate trigger queue manipulation. |
| 07:35.20 | JademusSreg | As in the example here ( https://pastee.org/fdfs2 ), it exists only to call the functions involved in updating the state of gameplay entities. |
| 07:36.00 | Frinckles | A Dedicated thread = a trigger constantly running, correct? |
| 07:36.15 | JademusSreg | In that example, the thread can be paused or killed via a variable, which you'll want to include for debugging or sequence control purposes. |
| 07:36.47 | JademusSreg | Yes, like a repeat forever loop in GUI with a Wait of 0.0625 game seconds. |
| 07:37.18 | JademusSreg | Or optionally, a wait of 0 if you are managing very heavy loads of operations per tick. |
| 07:38.20 | Frinckles | Mm |
| 07:39.02 | JademusSreg | From the update thread you'll want to poll each player; for each player in Active Players or All Players or such. And from this for each loop, you'll check the input states of players and execute responses to those states. |
| 07:40.41 | JademusSreg | In my system, I add Operator to the Action queue. ( https://pastee.org/dwq23 ) And Operator in turn is used by all the scripts that add responses, as in this Controller script example. ( https://pastee.org/k3kz8 ) |
| 07:41.23 | JademusSreg | Don't worry too much about Operator; it does the playergroup polling I mentioned, but with a bit more configurability than static code. |
| 07:41.39 | JademusSreg | The important part is Controller. |
| 07:41.56 | JademusSreg | See the function Controller_ValidToShoot. |
| 07:42.20 | Frinckles | Two quick questions |
| 07:42.27 | Frinckles | This is code, correct? Like, usable code? |
| 07:42.33 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 07:42.42 | Frinckles | How do you input the values for (int player) |
| 07:43.04 | JademusSreg | I don't; they are fed to the functions by the playergroup loop. |
| 07:43.36 | Frinckles | Adds a lot of flexibility to having multiple players inputting controls without 10000 triggers I take it? |
| 07:44.12 | JademusSreg | By which I mean Operator_RunActivePlayerResponses iterates across the playergroup, and it calls functions for the player at that step in the iteration. |
| 07:44.35 | JademusSreg | Yes, this setup uses 3 triggers for input, 1 for action, and that's it. |
| 07:44.42 | JademusSreg | 4 triggers, 4 threads. |
| 07:44.53 | Frinckles | So, a centralized loop checking inputs and issuing unit orders appropriately. |
| 07:45.05 | JademusSreg | Well, up to 4n+1 threads. |
| 07:45.11 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 07:45.47 | JademusSreg | Erm, 3n+1. |
| 07:45.49 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 07:45.54 | Frinckles | What exactly do you mean by action? |
| 07:46.00 | Frinckles | "1 for action" |
| 07:46.22 | JademusSreg | Action is the name of my dedicated thread script responsible for performing the updates. |
| 07:47.45 | JademusSreg | It has that name rather than something generic because I run pretty much everything that it can support through it. |
| 07:49.37 | Frinckles | mm |
| 07:50.21 | JademusSreg | A more accurate, generic name might be UpdateThread, UpdateStack, UpdateQueue, or Update, since it runs persistently for the purpose of updating the gamestate via the funcref array. |
| 07:50.53 | Frinckles | So, if I have this correct: I need to use a system that can perform a loop by going through every player in (my case) the map (6) and checking their inputs like WASD/Left/right mouse/whatever and performing actions to their character based off of those input states. |
| 07:51.22 | JademusSreg | Yes, that is the idea. |
| 07:51.41 | Frinckles | Smart, time to get started. :D |
| 07:51.58 | JademusSreg | Capture and store input, and run a thread that polls players and does shit in response to input states, yep. |
| 07:52.36 | JademusSreg | Now there is a final caveat. |
| 07:53.04 | JademusSreg | The order versus set debate. |
| 07:53.23 | Frinckles | What do you mean? |
| 07:54.25 | JademusSreg | Is it more efficient to issue an order to a unit or to set a unit's state corresponding to what it would achieve? Is it more efficient to issue a move order or to set the unit's position? |
| 07:55.57 | JademusSreg | And the answer to that question depends on the design, clarified with this question: is it more efficient to code an entire movement, pathing and collision system or to allow SC2's engine to handle that? |
| 07:57.08 | Frinckles | I think SC2's engine should be able to handle it. I like thinking outside the box, but if the system can handle it, there's no reason to baby it. |
| 07:57.29 | Frinckles | I vote order. |
| 07:57.30 | JademusSreg | The theoretical performance gain of a system that sets unit state rather than issues an order to the unit is 44ms of responsiveness, as that is the amount of time covered by one game update on Faster game speed. |
| 07:58.21 | JademusSreg | However, this gain could be easily offset by the complexity of operations involved in pathing and collision calculations in the galaxy vm. |
| 07:58.51 | Frinckles | ^_^; I was about to say.. that amount of responsiveness could come out of a lot of nooks and crannies of triggers. |
| 08:00.09 | JademusSreg | So while orders are theoretically 44ms worst-case less responsive than non-order based systems, in practice the code involved in calculating movement+pathing+collision makes that theoretical gain negligible, if any. |
| 08:03.48 | Frinckles | mm |
| 08:03.55 | Frinckles | I should probably look at that GUI wrap |
| 08:04.07 | JademusSreg | For Input or TPS system? |
| 08:04.45 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 08:09.21 | Frinckles | Well, I guess it's probably important that you know what I'm trying to make. |
| 08:11.15 | Frinckles | It's a project I'm working on called Abathur's Metamorph where you play as a special kind of Zerg capable of controlling its own mutation. You do so by collecting various strains of DNA after killing feral zerg, creatures or even 'buying' them from the Evolution Chamber with Biomass you've collected. |
| 08:11.32 | JademusSreg | Yar. |
| 08:13.01 | Frinckles | The Controls are simple. WASD. for movement, third person (behind the Zerg unit) holding left click to look around |
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| 08:13.03 | Frinckles | right click to attack I suppose. |
| 08:13.27 | Frinckles | And abilities at Q,E,X,C and possibly shift/space for special things. |
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| 08:13.40 | JademusSreg | Sounds like my system covers that quite well. |
| 08:13.40 | Frinckles | I wanted to have units capable of walking backwards, but there doesn't appear to be a way to make the animation for walking work backwards so I opted against moonwalking. |
| 08:13.57 | Frinckles | Except for some mumbo jumbo about setting the animation to 100%, then 99%, all the way down. |
| 08:14.00 | Frinckles | or custom animations, but I can't do that. lol |
| 08:14.13 | JademusSreg | If you've tested my demo, you've seen my system in practice. |
| 08:14.17 | Frinckles | Nor would I, for the amount of different units I fear the file size would be too large. |
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| 08:14.39 | Frinckles | I can't remember if I have |
| 08:14.51 | Frinckles | I've gone through like a million demos. :/ |
| 08:15.11 | Frinckles | but ill test it now if you have the link |
| 08:15.23 | JademusSreg | As for backward-walking animations, identifying the keyframes would be sufficient; the engine itself would interpolate between them. |
| 08:15.43 | Frinckles | Does that mean its possible? |
| 08:15.53 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/JademusDemo.SC2Map |
| 08:15.54 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 08:17.00 | JademusSreg | Like I said, gotta identify the keyframes first. Then one simply set the animation to said frame blended over the time between it and the next keyframe. |
| 08:19.59 | Frinckles | Well, I'll see if I can get your help on that sometime after I get these all hooked up |
| 08:20.06 | Frinckles | I just tried it, and I like it a lot. |
| 08:20.32 | Frinckles | It recognizes the difference between left click being held down or being clicked |
| 08:21.01 | Frinckles | well, basically |
| 08:21.04 | Frinckles | It's neat. |
| 08:21.05 | Frinckles | :C |
| 08:21.08 | Frinckles | :)* |
| 08:21.09 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 08:21.26 | Frinckles | Also, I was having fun with that little game |
| 08:21.37 | Frinckles | Full version please. :) |
| 08:21.43 | JademusSreg | Yes, it's a demo. Still working on it. |
| 08:23.40 | Frinckles | Mm, so now which GUI wrapper would I need, now that you know how I designed my controls? |
| 08:26.10 | JademusSreg | If you intend to do it all yourself, Input would suffice. If you just want something into which you can plug the controls, the TPS library would work. |
| 08:26.55 | Frinckles | I'll try implementing the TPS library. |
| 08:27.37 | JademusSreg | Though I've not yet tested the TPS library, it -should- work. It requires the function name as it appears in the script be given to the Operator action. |
| 08:27.59 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/JadeLib%20TPS%20Demo.SC2Map |
| 08:28.22 | JademusSreg | The EXAMPLE folder in the library demonstrates how to properly employ it. |
| 08:34.12 | Frinckles | well, when I started it; everything was black. xD |
| 08:34.42 | JademusSreg | Yes, that map is empty. Export the library and reimport it into a map where you intend to make use of it. |
| 08:42.06 | Frinckles | well, I tried adding a random unit to the playeravatar in the example and it didnt work. :/ |
| 08:42.25 | JademusSreg | Well, it -is- disabled. |
| 08:42.31 | JademusSreg | As I recall. |
| 08:43.11 | Frinckles | ^____^;; |
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| 08:45.02 | Frinckles | .__. the uh.. enabling part |
| 08:46.05 | Frinckles | create trigger to turn on trigger right? :P |
| 08:46.31 | JademusSreg | Right click it, Enable? |
| 08:46.58 | Frinckles | It says it's enabled, yet it's grayed out. |
| 08:47.01 | Frinckles | and I cannot. |
| 08:47.32 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 08:50.59 | Frinckles | :P |
| 08:51.25 | JademusSreg | Guess I'll need to tinker with it. GUI is a strange beast. |
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| 08:51.32 | JademusSreg | And an ugly one, at that. |
| 08:52.32 | Frinckles | I'm glad I'm helping you bug test. hehe |
| 08:52.43 | Frinckles | I wonder if I can make it work with triggers anyway |
| 08:53.04 | JademusSreg | Of course. It is an example, afterall. |
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| 08:55.12 | Frinckles | How did you get it so immovably disabled? lol |
| 08:55.38 | JademusSreg | shrugs. |
| 08:57.24 | Frinckles | mm |
| 08:57.33 | Frinckles | Well I think I'm going to head to sleep for the night |
| 08:57.50 | Frinckles | tomorrow, i'm getting this damn movement system working. :( |
| 08:58.10 | Frinckles | Thanks for all the help Jade. |
| 08:58.21 | Frinckles | I'll hit you up tomorrow if you're down to help me work on it some more. |
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| 08:58.32 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 08:59.01 | Frinckles | okedokey- later guys |
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| 09:57.50 | Ahli | http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-08-21-live-blizzard-gamescom-conference |
| 09:59.46 | duckies | ahli, how much time till it starts? |
| 10:02.06 | Ahli | it's live |
| 10:02.16 | Ahli | there are no cameras allowed, afaIk |
| 10:02.28 | Ahli | so only "text stream" |
| 10:03.14 | Ahli | d3x trailer shown, more medieval and darker, new hero class: crusader |
| 10:03.51 | Ahli | loot 2.0 will have smart drops where the loot will alter to the primary stats of the hero |
| 10:04.28 | Ahli | also, much less items will drop |
| 10:04.47 | Ahli | legendaries became better and "gamechanging" |
| 10:04.57 | Ahli | also there will drop more legendaries |
| 10:05.23 | Ahli | enchanting can reroll an affix on a rare/legendary |
| 10:05.29 | Ahli | level cap on 70 |
| 10:06.27 | Ahli | new feature: loot runs in randomly generated dungeons (but I would guess that they keep their old huge tiled areas) |
| 10:06.43 | Ahli | account wide paragon levels |
| 10:09.36 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb7QJwQ58T0 |
| 10:09.51 | duckies | thanks ahli |
| 10:10.09 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGp5dkJdi0w |
| 10:12.23 | duckies | they say so many good things "we know where we messed up and we fixed everything!", that almost makes me want to reconsider decision to not buy expansion. but then something inside me whispers "here you go again, you should know better, it'll still be bad, they'll find a way" |
| 10:13.32 | duckies | I'm afraid that they'll lure me in with sweets and then punch me in the face, repeatedly, with foot. ;/ |
| 10:14.19 | JademusSreg | Unless they're adding mod support and/or per-class quest arcs and optional content and main quest content, then no, D3 expansion will not earn my monies. |
| 10:15.25 | Ahli | " it'll still be bad, they'll find a way" are you the lord of terror? |
| 10:16.25 | Ahli | +1 for BLizzard for having malthael not talk a lot in the trailer |
| 10:17.29 | Ahli | I hope the antiheroes don't talk as much crap as in vanilla |
| 10:21.05 | duckies | phew, opening cutscene shook off my enthusiasm, I feell like I'm safe again |
| 10:23.21 | Ahli | the gameplay trailer shows a lot monsters in other dungeon types than in D3 vanilla... will they randomize the spawns or are we entering heaven again... and the other places (spider caves, torture dungeon, heaven)? |
| 10:23.56 | Ahli | hmm that might be part of the loot runs |
| 10:25.14 | Ahli | http://www.diablofans.com/uploads/gallery/album_1609/gallery_47244_1609_9212.jpg picture of someone making a picture from the stage |
| 10:27.34 | Ahli | http://www.arreat.de/ pics of the presentation |
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| 10:28.45 | Ahli | but I think 6 legendaries opposed to the single one is too much of an increase |
| 10:32.15 | JademusSreg | Does it include the stuff mentioned above? |
| 10:32.18 | duckies | just you wait and see how they'll nerf all the fun out of it before the final release :D |
| 10:33.52 | Ahli | slides for that stuff, yes |
| 10:34.16 | Ahli | yeah. the community should design the worst case scenario for comparison |
| 10:34.17 | JademusSreg | I mean does it address the things I'd find worth purchasing? |
| 10:34.48 | Ahli | I don't think they will change anything of the d3 vanilla content |
| 10:36.35 | JademusSreg | Modding, class content, optional content, main quest content. |
| 10:37.05 | JademusSreg | Modding isn't the right word, given the context. Community content. |
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| 10:42.05 | Ahli | I don't trust Blizzard when they use the word "random" in D3... their loot runs will use random dungeons... I assume they will end up builing 8 dungeons and you play in one... (opposing to building the whole dungeon randomly for non-repeating dungeons). |
| 10:42.29 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 10:42.42 | JademusSreg | How to D2? |
| 10:43.59 | Ahli | and no, it's unlikely that they will make community content a feature. Then they want to make tools for it, then they need to make a distribution system for that and separated hero slots for each mod, ability to patch the items in the save files of the author... |
| 10:44.09 | Ahli | don't you know that they still haven't released the art tools? |
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| 10:45.10 | ElectricPrism | How do I change the color of a beacon by trigger? |
| 10:45.16 | JademusSreg | Hell, a map, quest, creature editor and such would be nice. |
| 10:45.32 | Ahli | yeah, and they will totally not add that |
| 10:45.39 | duckies | prism, send beacon actor message "set tint color" |
| 10:46.08 | Ahli | at most with the last expansion or afterwards, but then it's not worth the development time because they won't get enough income for developing that |
| 10:46.09 | JademusSreg | Anyway, demo updated with a proper effect following Ancillary Drones passing through a Nova Flare field. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/JademusDemo.SC2Map |
| 10:46.10 | ElectricPrism | duckies - is "color" a value? |
| 10:46.20 | ElectricPrism | duckies: thanks |
| 10:46.27 | duckies | probably |
| 10:46.48 | JademusSreg | Now, if the ancillary drone is killed while it carries a Nova Flare charge, it discharges it as a missile dealing aoe line damage. |
| 10:49.25 | JademusSreg | I figure if it handles drops dynamically by difficulty of the content, then it ought to support custom content pretty well. Harharhar |
| 10:49.36 | JademusSreg | But yeah, no D3 expansion. Sounds boring. |
| 10:52.17 | JademusSreg | Or rather, I expect it will be very entertaining, for the 4 hours it takes to play through it. |
| 10:52.18 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 10:52.43 | Ahli | ^^ |
| 10:54.18 | Ahli | I assume the paragon system makes re-leveling heroes very easy... (even easier than atm with strong gems for low level chars) |
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| 11:09.50 | ElectricPrism | In order to apply a tint to a beacon via trigger, do I set the beacons color to white for it to take all ranges of color tints |
| 11:10.59 | ElectricPrism | duckies: In order to apply multiple tints on various beacons, would I need to change the beacons color to white to accept the "HDR Multiplier" tint |
| 11:24.38 | duckies | electricprism, white = default with no coloring |
| 11:25.31 | duckies | I don't think you can change units color to white ;/ |
| 11:25.38 | duckies | other than making a custom texture for it |
| 11:26.17 | duckies | hrd multiplier is just "strength" of tint |
| 11:26.27 | duckies | it doesn't let you "blend" various tints |
| 11:26.38 | duckies | though you can cycle them I guess.. |
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| 11:47.25 | zenx | D3 EXPANSION CONFIRMED |
| 11:47.33 | zenx | wasnt that impressed on the trailer |
| 11:47.38 | zenx | DEFINETLY wont get that |
| 11:50.27 | duckies | I was like "oh, better loot, less loot, random endgame loothunt dungeons, looks like they're doing things right after all", but then I saw cinematic and my excitement was gone |
| 11:50.49 | RazielZ | but the cinematic was epic D: |
| 11:51.02 | duckies | I dunno, too weak for my taste |
| 11:51.28 | zenx | agreed |
| 11:51.40 | zenx | like the cinematic didnt make any sense to me |
| 11:52.02 | duckies | aye, CG is good, but it just felt... dunno, uncompelling? |
| 11:52.32 | zenx | it felt like |
| 11:52.35 | zenx | the story of d3 |
| 11:52.40 | zenx | the story is gona suck |
| 11:52.52 | duckies | ahahaha, exactly it felt like story of d3 |
| 11:52.55 | zenx | I bet diablo is gona poses that angel lolololol |
| 11:53.02 | zenx | at the final moments |
| 11:53.17 | zenx | and thats the final boss |
| 11:53.19 | zenx | torlolol |
| 11:55.19 | duckies | I'd rather see nephelim showe the soulstone in his own forehead |
| 11:55.38 | zenx | and be posessed by diablo and become final boss himself? :D |
| 11:55.52 | zenx | is diablo even in the stone thing anymore |
| 11:55.54 | zenx | ? |
| 11:56.00 | duckies | that sounds like an okay plan :D |
| 11:56.15 | duckies | it's supposed to contain essence of 7 prime evils |
| 11:56.22 | duckies | so he's there with his buddies |
| 11:56.36 | duckies | *7 bad demons |
| 11:56.43 | zenx | ok then |
| 11:57.05 | duckies | since diablo can never die, just be sealed it seems |
| 11:57.52 | duckies | I don't know, I don't want to know, it's confusing |
| 11:57.58 | duckies | also |
| 11:58.13 | duckies | slaps zenx for talking about diablo again :D |
| 11:58.33 | zenx | mmm |
| 11:59.17 | zenx | I wish the expansion wouldnt sell as much |
| 11:59.38 | zenx | im still bitter |
| 11:59.39 | zenx | ^^ |
| 12:00.26 | duckies | me too, even if I'll buy it, I'll buy it a few months after release, cause I want to see the difference between first month of sale of D3 and first month of sale of D3 exp |
| 12:01.39 | duckies | and I'm saying "if I'll buy it" cause lately I've been finding myself wanting to just click alot in some sort of easy non-taxing game. If you play d3 just for clicking (combat) it isn't horrible |
| 12:02.41 | zenx | aye |
| 12:02.49 | zenx | the combat ant so horrible but lots of things are |
| 12:03.07 | zenx | like I greatly dislke that you cannot change difficulty before clearing acts |
| 12:03.17 | zenx | its either too easy or too hard |
| 12:03.46 | duckies | well, there is now MonsterPower setting which is basickally your manual difficulty scaling |
| 12:04.13 | duckies | I just hate having to play game 3 times before real game starts ;/ |
| 12:04.21 | zenx | y |
| 12:04.35 | zenx | its just bad design imo |
| 12:04.44 | zenx | atleast the way the difficulty was |
| 12:09.36 | ElectricPrism | duckies: Thanks :) I've been trying to no avail so far, cant figure out if I need to use slow "main", "protoss", and trigger on string "_Emissive", "_Normal", etc... I hope I can |
| 12:09.45 | zenx | btw |
| 12:10.00 | zenx | I also noticed its extremely hard to code things from nothing |
| 12:10.05 | duckies | yeah, again, in d2 it wasn't an issue, but d3 must do everything to be different ;/ |
| 12:10.08 | zenx | like phew |
| 12:10.16 | zenx | thats whats delaying my game |
| 12:10.20 | zenx | but Ill keep on working on it |
| 12:10.41 | duckies | I guess that's why ppl are usung libaries and pre-made engines |
| 12:11.01 | duckies | making an engine is soul-devouring it seems :D |
| 12:11.37 | duckies | electricprism, no idea what you meant, but gl! |
| 12:12.10 | JademusSreg | zOOP. |
| 12:12.16 | zenx | I did check out some libraries |
| 12:12.25 | zenx | but couldnt really find anything I was looking for |
| 12:12.30 | zenx | lke I need custombuttons |
| 12:12.31 | zenx | and shit |
| 12:14.05 | duckies | ^^ |
| 12:14.25 | zenx | everything is so green in my game atm |
| 12:15.39 | duckies | but green is good, banelings are green, fungal growth is green, acing is green |
| 12:15.43 | duckies | green all the way! |
| 12:15.51 | zenx | ^^ |
| 12:19.31 | JademusSreg | If Diablo 3 isn't more than ActionRPG Farmshit, what's the point? I'd like to visit exotic locales, meet new and interesting creatures to kill, enjoying the diversity of content much as the challenge and intellectual stimulation of battle, learning to read and master the ebb and flow of the combat rich in qualitative variation rather than crunching stacks of numbers. |
| 12:21.09 | JademusSreg | The additional difficulty levels were boring in D3. Oh, same old shit with more numbers? Yawn. |
| 12:21.39 | zenx | yup yup |
| 12:21.54 | zenx | its a big mistake trying to lengthen the game with artificial difficulty |
| 12:22.06 | duckies | *same old pointless shit that throws at you unispired random bullshit ;\ |
| 12:22.13 | zenx | much better to have good 10-20h experience than 80h of shit |
| 12:22.18 | A1win | they should finally realize that resetting the entire economy and player progress every few years in their games is starting to get old |
| 12:22.53 | duckies | meh, I like ladders :D |
| 12:23.24 | JademusSreg | Artificial difficulty can be done well, contingent on adding actual goddamn content. Add more behaviors, attacks, strategies, smarter AI with each iteration, so it's not stat grinding but a legitimate challenge to your headmeat. |
| 12:23.53 | zenx | thats not really artificial AI imo |
| 12:23.59 | zenx | artificial AI is just increasing damage |
| 12:24.01 | zenx | and health |
| 12:24.12 | A1win | JademusSreg, but that's like... difficult to do D: |
| 12:24.12 | JademusSreg | Er, that's not AI at all zenx. |
| 12:24.16 | JademusSreg | HAha |
| 12:24.24 | zenx | I mean |
| 12:24.28 | zenx | artificial difficulty |
| 12:24.31 | zenx | messing up my words |
| 12:24.32 | zenx | T_T |
| 12:26.34 | duckies | I remember entering new difficulty in d2.. "wtf fire immune? what do I do now? x_x".. D3 is so afraid to scare players that it begins to feel like some sort of babysitter game which constantly tells player "here here my precious, are you having fun, is nothing wrong? I'm all for you" |
| 12:27.05 | duckies | shit.. nooo, noooooooo, i'm turning into a crangky old nostalgia driven man, MAKE IT STOOOP! |
| 12:27.22 | duckies | gasps in horror |
| 12:27.54 | A1win | haha, it's not like games used to be better in the past |
| 12:29.18 | duckeis|off | well, they were more like "yeah, you can't damage this guys anymore, deal with it", while d3 is like "we are the designers, we know what is fun! lack of meaningful choices is fun! Why aren't you playing our game, come baaaaaaack!" |
| 12:29.49 | duckeis|off | I should stop, sorry |
| 12:29.53 | JademusSreg | Normal Fallen: dumb creature that charges right at you, retreats when frightened. Nightmare Fallen: maneuvers around players to gain better tactical positioning. Hell Fallen: can perform a swift aoe dervish attack. Inferno Fallen: can perform a ramming attack with a brief cast time. |
| 12:31.06 | A1win | don't you mean normal: has 10 health, nightmare: has 100 health, hell: has 500 health, inferno: has 1000 health |
| 12:33.38 | JademusSreg | So at Inferno difficulty, you've got these fuckers circling you, getting a surround if they can, then charging at ramming speed, followed by a sword-swinging aoe, you're dodging and kiting and trying to stay out of both their aoe range and trying not to trigger the ramming attack in a goldilocks zone of brutality. |
| 12:34.08 | JademusSreg | I mean every encounter should demand your full engagement. =D |
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| 12:37.13 | A1win | mm |
| 12:44.13 | JademusSreg | There's no greater part of Diablo 3 when, in Act 3, you're wading through a tide of savage creatures, responding to threats by reflex, hunting down the dangerous long-range enemies while juggling the melee hordes, dodging projectiles, alternating between wading into and routing the swarm. |
| 12:46.25 | JademusSreg | It's a symphony of slaughter, a ballet of brutal carnage, a theatre of blood and beauty performed precisely on a razor-edged stage. |
| 12:47.17 | JademusSreg | That's when Diablo 3 is at it's best, when you're outnumbered, undergeared, and overwhelmed. |
| 12:53.13 | A1win | it's funny how people are calling D3 bad because it doesn't have endless replay value... like "otherwise this would be an awesome game but not entertaining enough for the rest of my lifetime" |
| 12:53.53 | JademusSreg | Haha, D3 isn't bad. Merely disappointing. |
| 12:54.01 | A1win | mmm |
| 12:54.08 | A1win | but that's bad, right ;p |
| 12:54.23 | JademusSreg | Sad. =D |
| 12:54.26 | A1win | too high expectations thanks to its predecessors |
| 12:55.40 | A1win | endless replay value sounds so nice in theory :E |
| 12:56.20 | A1win | Moorhsum, you have endless replay value, let us know how to apply this magic into game design |
| 12:56.22 | Moorhsum | That cinematic. |
| 12:57.07 | JademusSreg | D3 is masterful in its design and implementation, not without its faults, sure, but the disappointment is in the sparsity of content, not any fault of the gameplay itself. |
| 13:03.16 | zenx | d3 is blizzards best game |
| 13:03.30 | A1win | blasphemy! |
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| 13:46.49 | twodie | Trumpets!!! |
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| 14:30.55 | Vailreth | good morning folks |
| 14:31.12 | Vilgath | Morning |
| 14:32.30 | G0A | 35 Years pff |
| 14:34.53 | Vilgath | lol |
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| 14:46.45 | JademusSreg | Er, what about what flame and what ban? |
| 14:46.46 | Vilgath | Ah cool, a new diablo 3 expansion was announced |
| 14:47.04 | Dustin|Work | Eww Diablo 3 expansion |
| 14:47.45 | JademusSreg | Vilgath, care to explain the cryptic message directed to me via irc query? I lack sufficient context. |
| 14:48.40 | Vilgath | Diablo 3 has gotten pretty good |
| 14:48.58 | Vilgath | Plus I liked it when it first came out. |
| 14:49.01 | Dustin|Work | they fixed the crap story? :P |
| 14:49.13 | Dustin|Work | And AH economy woes? |
| 14:49.13 | JademusSreg | You can explain it here, especially considering I have no idea to what you refer. |
| 14:49.13 | Vilgath | Maybe |
| 14:49.14 | Vilgath | lol |
| 14:49.21 | Vilgath | :/ |
| 14:49.26 | Dustin|Work | I might give it another try |
| 14:49.34 | JademusSreg | Ah, Taint. |
| 14:49.39 | Dustin|Work | I was very very let down when I bought it though :( |
| 14:49.45 | twodie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej8t2xoRmwA |
| 14:50.20 | Obscene | Pretty much I wrote this thread, http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/off-topic/56706-public-apology/?page=4#p77 to apologize, and people took that as an unban request/creating a flame war, all I was saying is that wasnt what it was meant to be.. it was a legitimate apology |
| 14:50.23 | JademusSreg | I wasn't aware of an apology thread, don't much read the forums. |
| 14:50.30 | Obscene | ah |
| 14:50.48 | Obscene | all I was saying to you, is I am sorry if it caused you personally any trouble behind the scenes |
| 14:51.29 | Obscene | That being said, there will be no more apologies from me again -_-. |
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| 14:52.46 | Obscene | I do have to laugh at one statement from it though from EW... |
| 14:52.47 | Obscene | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.07 | Obscene | Elitist, thats like 60% of the community |
| 14:53.14 | JademusSreg | Not of which I am aware. I don't have much going on "behind the scenes"; politics don't much serve my interests. |
| 14:53.22 | Obscene | ah okay good then |
| 14:53.27 | Obscene | glad no trouble was caused for you |
| 14:53.43 | Obscene | As for EW, I hope it caused him much pain and agony.... but I am sure it wasnt that big of a deal. |
| 14:53.56 | Obscene | but then again I dont like EW for my own reasons haha |
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| 15:10.34 | Vailreth | yay another day of yardwork |
| 15:11.32 | Obscene | lol |
| 15:17.46 | Bommes | Ahli, you going to Gamescom this year? |
| 15:18.02 | Ahli | yes, tomorrow |
| 15:18.16 | G0A | twodie that looks awesome |
| 15:18.18 | Bommes | ah, okay |
| 15:18.30 | Bommes | I'm there sunday |
| 15:18.31 | twodie | G0A its sure does |
| 15:19.03 | Bommes | going to watch some WCS :) |
| 15:19.38 | Ahli | yeah, I won't ^^ but at least there is the EPS on thursday, so I can watch sc2 when I've finished looking at all the things there |
| 15:19.41 | Bommes | is the diablo expansion playable? does anyone know? |
| 15:19.49 | Ahli | I don't think so |
| 15:20.03 | Ahli | D3 on consoles is there |
| 15:20.13 | Ahli | which couches |
| 15:20.37 | Bommes | oh yeah I saw a picture of the area :) looks slick |
| 15:20.46 | Bommes | also the hall where they had the presentation looked awesome |
| 15:25.19 | Ahli | http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/crusader-skill-trees-revealed |
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| 15:27.03 | Ahli | they should rename "indestructible" passive into "just a fleshwound" |
| 15:29.43 | Bommes | the artwork looks stunning |
| 15:32.25 | Ahli | http://www.gamespot.com/events/gamescom-2013/loot-20-diablo-iii-reaper-of-souls-6413370/ |
| 15:32.26 | Obscene | The press release said D3 expansion will be playable at blizzcon |
| 15:38.08 | Obscene | Dissapointed with blizzard on this expansion, 40$ for 1 charcter and 1 act :/ |
| 15:38.20 | Obscene | It should have been 4 more acts..... |
| 15:38.41 | Obscene | Then again diablo players are naive, They payed the upped price for d2 lod lawl |
| 15:39.05 | Obscene | When it goes on sell for 10$ in a couple years ill pick it up |
| 15:42.14 | Ahli | I hope hearthstone is playable on gamescom... or allstars >_> |
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| 15:44.55 | Obscene | Allstars is dead. |
| 15:45.08 | Obscene | Ecke is trying to get on the design team, that made me loose all faith in it |
| 15:46.49 | duckies | who's ecke and where he's trying to get in? |
| 15:49.17 | Ahli | according to a forum post, I can blame sixen for sc2's UMS scene failing... yay |
| 15:49.52 | duckies | is it in that arcade momentum thread? |
| 15:50.03 | duckies | I want to blame someone for something too |
| 15:50.06 | Ahli | yes :D |
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| 15:50.16 | duckies | blame game is so much fun and requires no thinking at all :3 |
| 15:50.28 | duckies | so wonderful :D |
| 15:50.33 | Ahli | and what the f*ck is the problem with moderation? I've no problem with any kind of moderation at any place on the internet for years... |
| 15:50.59 | Ahli | people just need to behave, don't troll, flame, swear, etc... |
| 15:51.12 | G0A | But I like trolling and flaming |
| 15:51.24 | duckies | no problem, just some random kids wanting to break the walls that hold the world together |
| 15:51.39 | G0A | people too used to being kind all the time and cant even take a little flaming |
| 15:52.54 | duckies | hm ,that thread has 2 big new posts that I haven't read ;/... I'll go make myself some tea and get to reading! |
| 15:54.48 | twodie | CnC campaign shit http://youtu.be/7dLWafeCbac |
| 15:54.50 | Ahli | dont forget the popcorn |
| 15:56.30 | twodie | and some hate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukunaEWnnek |
| 15:56.33 | Vailreth | who cares about CnC anymore ? |
| 15:56.45 | twodie | well, |
| 15:57.07 | twodie | who wants something more to play as of strategy game. |
| 15:57.26 | JademusSreg | Ah, lovely. Nova Flare Charge buff on the mobs is working splendidly. |
| 16:00.14 | duckies | huh, wasn't C&C about GDI, NOD and Tiberium? what's with the asian guy trying to sound wise and epic as if there weren't hundreds of other annoucers before him who did the same thing? |
| 16:01.16 | Vailreth | the tiberium saga ended with a whimper but it ended and freed up the name for anything else RTSish ea wants to throw it on |
| 16:01.34 | Vailreth | personally i was psyched for end of nations... until it became a moba |
| 16:02.11 | duckies | oh, I keep forgettign that it belongs to EA, isn't EA that company with reputation of butchering everything it touches? |
| 16:02.41 | Vailreth | thats kinda every major US publisher |
| 16:03.06 | Vailreth | but i think its mainly ea |
| 16:04.01 | G0A | wtf https://joinprojectspark.com/ |
| 16:04.08 | Vailreth | i had a realization earlier that" broadening the apeal for a wider audiance" really means trying to get the CoD fanboys playing diffrent games |
| 16:04.19 | Vailreth | and buying them |
| 16:04.45 | Vailreth | more importantly buying them |
| 16:06.20 | Ahli | or better: make the prepurchase it... (you get them dollars earlier for interest...) |
| 16:06.20 | Ahli | *them |
| 16:08.02 | JademusSreg | EA can eat a bag of genitals. |
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| 16:08.26 | Vailreth | polite way of saying that Jade |
| 16:09.17 | JademusSreg | Just didn't seem fair to single out one gender over another. |
| 16:09.37 | Vailreth | ah |
| 16:10.18 | duckies_ | well, I was watching that CC presentation video and suddenly my PC crashed. An undenieable proof that ne C&C is an evil incarnate I say |
| 16:10.28 | duckies_ | *new |
| 16:16.06 | Bommes | Twist: EA are actually Jon Lajoie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqXi8WmQ_WM |
| 16:16.12 | Bommes | they actually want the genitalia |
| 16:17.44 | twodie | on the sader note http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMIPL-YCVG8 |
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| 16:24.47 | ducks | well, that post in momentum thread was mildly amusing =D |
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| 16:25.46 | mille25 | hello! |
| 16:26.03 | ducks | hi |
| 16:27.15 | twodie | trumpets! |
| 16:28.08 | Obscene | hey mille |
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| 16:43.43 | JademusSreg | Ah, 2/4 boss phase 1 ability branches. No sound for them yet, but they perform quite well. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/JademusDemo.SC2Map |
| 16:44.43 | JademusSreg | Specifically the buffs from Nova Flare which launch projectiles on the death of the host. |
| 16:46.50 | G0A | twodie Galactus |
| 16:47.16 | twodie | <.< , ^.^ , >.> |
| 16:47.47 | G0A | :) |
| 16:50.15 | Obscene | What ya making bosses for jademus? |
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| 17:03.04 | JademusSreg | For the demo, haha. |
| 17:04.56 | mille25 | JademusSreg: I just noticed in GUI "Set Variable" can't be used on function parameters. :( |
| 17:05.17 | JademusSreg | That's unfortunate. |
| 17:05.24 | mille25 | This is actually quite gay because it forces unnecessary copies. |
| 17:05.33 | JademusSreg | Though I expect it can be forced. =D |
| 17:05.42 | mille25 | Custom script can force it, yes. |
| 17:05.45 | JademusSreg | That's my evil grin, by the way. |
| 17:06.12 | JademusSreg | Allow me a moment to dig. |
| 17:12.49 | JademusSreg | So the Set Variable action has the following GUI data... |
| 17:15.00 | Kueken | A most pleasant evening to you |
| 17:16.34 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/3gn68 |
| 17:17.25 | Kueken | that looks most pleasant indeed |
| 17:18.26 | JademusSreg | Could try something similar, rigging the type for var to the value param from the current value, anyvariable. |
| 17:19.59 | JademusSreg | Though that's not a valid type. |
| 17:22.18 | mille25 | When thinking about it though, as far as I know almost all complex types get passed by Reference, so the copy would be very quick. Same goes for primitive types like int, fixed etc. Just string is a problem because I think it gets passed as value and therefore would be copied completly twice when passing it to a function which then copies it into a local variable. |
| 17:22.21 | Obscene | lol jademus :P you and vailreth man, haha, both you do sooo much work... just to see if its possible, rarely is it on an actual project :P |
| 17:22.25 | Obscene | You should do my bosses haha |
| 17:23.11 | JademusSreg | Of the list of types, there's nothing that appears to reference parameters specifically like anyvariable, but I expect it should be possible, though perhaps not as directly. |
| 17:23.30 | mille25 | Many gui functions allow inserting parameters though. |
| 17:23.38 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 17:23.44 | mille25 | For example you can return parameters directly without using a local variable. |
| 17:23.55 | mille25 | Its a seperate tab just next to "Variable". |
| 17:23.57 | JademusSreg | Yes, that's true. I'll example it. |
| 17:24.03 | JademusSreg | *examine |
| 17:24.11 | mille25 | Search for return. |
| 17:24.16 | mille25 | This should allow inserting params. |
| 17:25.40 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/gf85h |
| 17:26.09 | JademusSreg | Interesting. |
| 17:26.22 | JademusSreg | return isn't on the list, which means param may be valid. |
| 17:26.26 | Kueken | Obscene: He also has the amazing ability to ignore anything else :D |
| 17:26.33 | Obscene | hahaa |
| 17:26.43 | Obscene | I know kueken :P |
| 17:26.46 | JademusSreg | Or rather, of the strings I gutted from the client memory, return is in a separate section. |
| 17:26.53 | Kueken | he should join the x-men or something |
| 17:27.05 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/xhu2t |
| 17:27.09 | Kueken | I am sure that counts as mutation |
| 17:27.09 | Obscene | He would be a better Trent from Lord of the Rings |
| 17:27.15 | JademusSreg | These are the strings employed in parsing the GUI. |
| 17:27.32 | Obscene | he will tell you how, but for him to actually do it for you it takes a very very very long time :P |
| 17:27.36 | Kueken | "trees are not so good with motion" |
| 17:28.00 | Obscene | i love jademus though, One of the best of the community, without him I would have quit mapping long ago |
| 17:29.05 | mille25 | JademusSreg: I have to say those type values are quite confusing. "return" seems to stand for everything i guess. |
| 17:29.44 | mille25 | JademusSreg: "anyvariable" is quite straight forward, and "sameas" seems to copy the type of the specified element. |
| 17:29.50 | mille25 | Where did you find those definitions btw? |
| 17:30.04 | Ahli | #smartbreak? |
| 17:30.09 | JademusSreg | Those aren't just type values, exactly; they are all strings used in parsing the GUI xml. |
| 17:30.26 | JademusSreg | And I gutted them from the client memory, as I do most interesting information. |
| 17:30.46 | Kueken | Ahli called a smart break, you cannot say smart shit anymore |
| 17:30.49 | Kueken | boobs! |
| 17:31.02 | Ahli | you're still drunk |
| 17:31.09 | Kueken | (until he lifts the break) |
| 17:31.19 | mille25 | So now the question is, why does Blizzard not allow setting parameters by using setVariable even though its theoretically possible. |
| 17:31.22 | Kueken | or I am still zolden |
| 17:31.46 | Ahli | I assume you merged with him... Zolden disappeared... so you did some dragonball fusion thing |
| 17:32.21 | Ahli | because you can't do that in other programming languages? :X |
| 17:32.40 | JademusSreg | Can in most I know. |
| 17:32.49 | Ahli | really? ohh :D |
| 17:33.00 | JademusSreg | And in galaxy. |
| 17:33.18 | Kueken | and zolden fuse to Zolken |
| 17:33.25 | mille25 | Actually you should be able to do it an ALL programming languages which are imspired by C. |
| 17:33.49 | JademusSreg | Unless the parameter is protected, like with the const keyword. |
| 17:33.50 | Zolken | that feels strange |
| 17:33.50 | mille25 | The only exception would be if the parameter is constant, which basically never makes any sense. |
| 17:33.55 | mille25 | lol.. :D |
| 17:34.03 | Zolken | I have the urge to make Hitler jokes and awesome 3d models |
| 17:34.31 | JademusSreg | Which many preprocessor scripts do for the compiler automagically for Release builds. |
| 17:35.26 | Ahli | brb, buying food for the trip tomorrow |
| 17:35.38 | JademusSreg | Actually, it does make sense, depending on the context, but it's rather cumbersome to clutter the source with it. |
| 17:35.46 | mille25 | But why would that be done? It wont be any performance improvement since those constants would not be known at compile time. |
| 17:35.49 | Zolken | mille and Jade actually communicate via query, a bug displays their messages in this channel |
| 17:35.56 | Zolken | they don''t see us |
| 17:37.42 | JademusSreg | We do, but technical discussions are more stimulating. |
| 17:37.44 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 17:38.44 | Zolken | damn, you crushed my illusion |
| 17:41.34 | Obscene | hey zolden hows it going? |
| 17:41.39 | Obscene | hvm.. |
| 17:41.42 | Obscene | Misread the name |
| 17:42.52 | Zolken | he is in here |
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| 17:45.50 | Frinckles | Good afternooon |
| 17:46.16 | mille25 | hey |
| 17:46.34 | Frinckles | A million here a million there. |
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| 17:57.12 | Frinckles | Know what my favorite part of SC2Mapster is? |
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| 17:57.37 | Frinckles | I like playing games so I find all these great ones, add them to my book marks and then log on here to see the creators. |
| 17:57.48 | Frinckles | That's crazy. :P |
| 17:58.28 | Obscene | lol |
| 17:58.50 | Frinckles | Starstruck by the creators of my favorite maps. :P |
| 17:58.59 | Obscene | lawl |
| 17:59.19 | Obscene | Well frinckles when the next patch for my map comes out, I will tell you so you can play it :) |
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| 17:59.40 | Obscene | Until next patch though, my map is privately published |
| 17:59.52 | Frinckles | What kind of map is it? :o |
| 17:59.54 | Obscene | I cant patch the bug simply because I have loose data and triggers everywhere |
| 18:00.31 | Obscene | :/ |
| 18:00.35 | Helral | meow? |
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| 18:00.41 | Obscene | meow |
| 18:00.43 | Frinckles | god |
| 18:00.44 | Frinckles | damnit |
| 18:00.45 | Obscene | Its like Evolves, Zealot Frenzy, Green TD, Dota, and Smash TV all had an orgy and a baby was born |
| 18:00.47 | Frinckles | I pressed F5 |
| 18:00.51 | Helral | lol |
| 18:01.09 | Helral | you should use a non-browser-based IRC client then :P |
| 18:01.26 | Frinckles | Yeah, I need one. :P |
| 18:01.28 | Obscene | I have only gotten 1 bad review, And that was from the maker of zealot frenzy who sees my map as a threat for whatever reason, despite them being nothing alike |
| 18:01.36 | Obscene | KIRC works pretty good |
| 18:02.05 | Obscene | Kvirc* |
| 18:02.14 | Frinckles | Well making a map using components of good maps is a good idea. |
| 18:02.17 | Helral | I've always used mIRC without problem, but whatever works for you works :P I never used any other one, so got no idea which is better then which. |
| 18:02.22 | Obscene | http://www.kvirc.net/ |
| 18:02.36 | Obscene | Well Frinckles its not that simple :P |
| 18:02.44 | Obscene | My map is more or less the sequel to Evolves |
| 18:02.45 | Obscene | :) |
| 18:02.52 | Frinckles | Oooh |
| 18:02.54 | Frinckles | :D |
| 18:03.31 | Obscene | I was a co-creator(I did very little in comparison to others I mainly did the terrain and testing) |
| 18:03.44 | Frinckles | :C some guy declined to work with me on a project. He said it was overly huge. :C waaaaah |
| 18:03.50 | Obscene | hahaha |
| 18:03.56 | Obscene | What are you working on? |
| 18:03.59 | Helral | seeing the reason it wasn't me :P |
| 18:04.16 | Frinckles | I dunno, it's just an RPG to be simple. |
| 18:04.20 | Obscene | lawl |
| 18:04.24 | Obscene | RPG means HUGE |
| 18:04.25 | Frinckles | If you want deetz, I can go there too. |
| 18:04.37 | Obscene | RPG are those letters that scare people |
| 18:04.38 | Obscene | lawl |
| 18:04.52 | Helral | what's scary about it? |
| 18:04.54 | Frinckles | A lot of map makers just never come out with things that are original. |
| 18:05.01 | Frinckles | RPG's atleast have their own flavor. |
| 18:05.07 | Obscene | Though After Evo-Frenzy is completed I will move it to a new genre and make it RPG, and maybe a Tower Defense. |
| 18:05.21 | Obscene | My map has its own flavor :(, its grape.... |
| 18:06.26 | Obscene | See frinckles at the moment this is my Hero selection, though I am working on that backdrop for the hero, and the text being aligned correctly |
| 18:06.27 | Obscene | http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Screenshot2013-08-1915_50_18_zps086fe31a.jpg |
| 18:07.35 | Helral | Text alignment is always annoying. |
| 18:07.58 | Obscene | yeah and mine is done through a formula I dont quite understand |
| 18:08.03 | Helral | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNMTdJs3ZRY <-- something I made 3 years ago, haven't done much since. |
| 18:08.06 | Ahli | what? :D |
| 18:08.55 | Ahli | @obscene and his "formula" |
| 18:08.57 | Obscene | Yeah Ahli, my text uses variables and algebra(which I can do, just havent took the time to write it out and think about it), to find the x and the Y offsets of the text |
| 18:09.09 | Obscene | I didnt write the formula haha |
| 18:09.29 | Ahli | I've zero cases where I would need to change the size of a text field... |
| 18:09.30 | Helral | btw Obscene can't you just use a wordwrap label or something for it? |
| 18:09.46 | Obscene | word wrap? what you mean |
| 18:09.55 | Helral | no idea if sc2 has it, *looks at Ahli* |
| 18:10.20 | Obscene | the text itself comes from catalogs through a formula to make things more complicated |
| 18:10.21 | Helral | Word wrap is a technique which let's the renderer decide whether or not a word should be on the next line or not. |
| 18:10.43 | Obscene | thats why the description and the abilities have no text styles, because it wont work on them for some reason |
| 18:11.09 | Helral | hmmm text styles should work on them, but you can use text markups for it instead. |
| 18:11.15 | Ahli | helral, that's done by default? |
| 18:11.29 | Helral | could be :P I've never toyed with text fields. |
| 18:11.39 | Helral | or labels or whatever :P |
| 18:11.48 | Obscene | lol |
| 18:11.50 | Ahli | you can disable that with UI xml code I believe |
| 18:12.01 | Ahli | nowrappings or something |
| 18:12.05 | Ahli | unit name label has that |
| 18:12.06 | Helral | ahhh |
| 18:12.15 | Obscene | Ah |
| 18:12.25 | Ahli | B |
| 18:12.28 | Helral | C |
| 18:12.34 | Obscene | Well I cant work on that right now, I am working in an old version of the map and simply writing down what I am doing :P |
| 18:12.50 | Helral | hehehe |
| 18:13.07 | Obscene | When my teammate gets done with what hes doing I will fix it :P |
| 18:13.11 | Obscene | I have a list of things to do |
| 18:13.14 | Helral | Ahli: remember the good old days, when I was still actively working on my RDM? |
| 18:13.28 | Frinckles | meow meow meow |
| 18:13.34 | Helral | meoowww |
| 18:13.41 | Frinckles | sooooo |
| 18:13.42 | Obscene | And I gotta pump out a new hero, so people dont get mad that I had the map published privatly for 3 weeks just to fix a bug haha |
| 18:13.52 | Helral | lol |
| 18:13.53 | Obscene | mooo... |
| 18:13.56 | Frinckles | who wants to help me implement Jade's TPS library? :D |
| 18:13.59 | Helral | whacks the cow |
| 18:14.29 | Obscene | Turns into a genie and says Helral now has 3 wishes. |
| 18:14.32 | Helral | gonna look where I can change the lettertype of mIRC :P |
| 18:14.41 | Helral | wishes he was a cat. |
| 18:14.49 | Ahli | helral, yes... |
| 18:14.51 | Obscene | Only turns people to dogs |
| 18:15.18 | Helral | wishes that Obscene makes an exception for my previous wish |
| 18:15.20 | Helral | wishes he was a cat. |
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| 18:15.22 | Helral | :P |
| 18:15.40 | Psywisp | hi friends |
| 18:15.48 | Helral | meows questioningly |
| 18:15.57 | Frinckles | haay |
| 18:16.00 | Obscene | Makes Exception turns Helral into a Sphynx |
| 18:16.11 | Helral | reverts back into a cat |
| 18:16.21 | Ahli | Mr Winzen is interviewed tomorrow: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1ktfxy/taking_questions_for_ryan_winzen_the_creator_of/ |
| 18:16.24 | Vailreth | hmm |
| 18:16.26 | Helral | advantage of being a shapeshifter :P |
| 18:16.46 | Obscene | Looks at Helral Questionably wondering why a cat didnt know a Sphynx was a type of cat. |
| 18:16.57 | Vailreth | Mumbo Jumbo |
| 18:17.02 | Helral | I don't want to look like a sphynx.... it has wings. |
| 18:17.12 | Obscene | http://www.thefeaturedcreature.dreamhosters.com/wordpress6/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/1032.jpg |
| 18:17.19 | Obscene | no it doesnt |
| 18:17.28 | Obscene | Its just really.... really... really... ugly |
| 18:17.28 | Frinckles | Hay Vail. |
| 18:17.38 | Vailreth | its not ugly |
| 18:17.41 | Vailreth | its naked |
| 18:17.50 | Obscene | it looks like an old ballsac |
| 18:18.12 | Helral | @Obscene: http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/388420_10150409139532477_1710157643_n.jpg |
| 18:18.15 | Vailreth | so does skulkers true form in Danny Phantom |
| 18:18.31 | Obscene | lol |
| 18:18.32 | Helral | see it has wings. |
| 18:18.36 | Vailreth | yes Frinks... |
| 18:18.36 | Frinckles | is sad cause Vail no say hello. :C |
| 18:18.41 | Vailreth | sorry |
| 18:18.50 | Vailreth | lots of things going on |
| 18:18.55 | Frinckles | Naked cats? |
| 18:19.06 | Vailreth | among other things |
| 18:19.31 | Obscene | Helral whenever you pop in here, this is what I think of http://www.thefeaturedcreature.dreamhosters.com/wordpress6/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/4494096062_eaca42ec521.jpg |
| 18:20.12 | Helral | @Obscene: don't you dare ( https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThpsAtOSnqSD33V-yVkVtiAIxdPj6nmsOqe3o5VxzGbltV0tvs ) |
| 18:20.24 | Helral | I'm watching you :P |
| 18:20.28 | Helral | meows innocently |
| 18:20.35 | Vailreth | i am improving the model seen here http://youtu.be/KbGe1CWkkhM |
| 18:21.15 | Vailreth | models rather its three parts for easy texture and animation |
| 18:21.24 | Obscene | haha |
| 18:21.58 | Obscene | Didnt realize you were modelling vail, pretty cool. |
| 18:22.27 | Obscene | you should bug zolden when hes online to get him to help you out when you get stuck or confused about something :P |
| 18:22.37 | Vailreth | eh its very simple stuff two cubes and cylinder |
| 18:22.45 | Obscene | better then I can do haha |
| 18:23.07 | Vailreth | its not that hard just add edge loops and move verts |
| 18:23.21 | Helral | meows |
| 18:23.42 | Vailreth | the only downside to using blender is Blizzard only supports 3ds max |
| 18:23.42 | Helral | I had someone who offered to do models for me when I was working on my map. was very handy. |
| 18:24.05 | Helral | hmmm? I've heard people using other tools then 3ds max, although it did end up in that format I think. |
| 18:25.17 | Vailreth | the blender painting, mainly, and sculpting tools are getting a bit of an upgread in the next month or so |
| 18:25.21 | Helral | roflol I've got windows media player sound sitting at 1% of maximum, and it is finally normal. |
| 18:25.40 | Vailreth | you use windows media player...ew |
| 18:25.56 | Helral | yeah other players install stupid stuff if you don't pay attention. |
| 18:26.05 | Helral | so not gonna bother with them. |
| 18:26.21 | Helral | used to use winamp. |
| 18:26.31 | Vailreth | ah i still use winamp.. |
| 18:26.35 | Helral | but then I bought a new pc and never bothered to install it again. |
| 18:26.53 | Vailreth | ah i just migrated my windows drive from my old to my new pc |
| 18:27.14 | Helral | kinda hard to do moving my laptop hd into my desktop pc. |
| 18:27.24 | Helral | cause I still wanted to have use of my laptop. |
| 18:27.35 | Vailreth | just image the hardrive |
| 18:27.44 | Vailreth | its not that dificult |
| 18:27.51 | Helral | well all the drivers are screwed up then. |
| 18:28.05 | Vailreth | what version of windows was it? |
| 18:28.07 | Helral | so I'm better off with a clean install anyway. |
| 18:28.14 | Helral | 7, I think :p |
| 18:28.40 | Vailreth | ah then it has OOBE mode |
| 18:28.49 | Helral | OOBE mode??? |
| 18:29.10 | Vailreth | Out Of Box Experince its for transfering windows instals across pcs |
| 18:29.53 | Helral | hmmm so what use would that be. |
| 18:29.54 | Vailreth | i had to use that to prepare my hard drive for my new computer |
| 18:30.32 | Vailreth | basically it allows you to move an image of or an actuial physcial hard drive between computers |
| 18:30.33 | Helral | This is the last pc on which I'll be using windows. Next one will be unix based. |
| 18:30.52 | Vailreth | ah |
| 18:31.18 | Helral | can't understand that people can actually work with windows 8. |
| 18:31.34 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 18:31.38 | Obscene | Agreed |
| 18:31.53 | Helral | windows 7 is the last usable windows version imo. |
| 18:31.56 | Psywisp | I have windows 8 |
| 18:32.01 | Obscene | My brother had it for 1 day... then went back to 7 |
| 18:32.06 | Dustin|Work | windows 8 is horrid |
| 18:32.11 | Helral | @psywisp: my condolences. |
| 18:32.16 | Vailreth | absolutely |
| 18:32.24 | Obscene | @psywisp, you really are a masochist |
| 18:32.29 | Psywisp | x_x |
| 18:32.57 | Psywisp | Well, tell me, what's so bad about windows 8 |
| 18:33.10 | Vailreth | the interface... |
| 18:33.11 | Obscene | Well let me go get my phone and Ill tell you exactly whats wrong with it |
| 18:33.13 | Psywisp | (I'm gonna get hated on) |
| 18:33.15 | Obscene | :P |
| 18:33.15 | Vailreth | for starters ... |
| 18:33.18 | Helral | well first of all the IPad look. |
| 18:33.33 | Psywisp | The desktop is practically the same |
| 18:33.37 | Obscene | its a "1 size fits all, because its cheaper" |
| 18:34.08 | Vailreth | bazinga? |
| 18:34.11 | Helral | well it doesn't shut down stuff that well I understood from friends who have windows 8 |
| 18:34.27 | Psywisp | Shut down stuff? |
| 18:34.29 | Helral | but they're not programmers/gamers. |
| 18:34.33 | Psywisp | There's a task manager |
| 18:34.44 | Psywisp | so, you can shut down stuff fine |
| 18:34.45 | Ahli | I've win8 :i |
| 18:34.47 | Ahli | :o |
| 18:34.50 | Helral | right, easy to access for people who know zero from pc's? |
| 18:35.02 | Psywisp | Not exactly |
| 18:35.13 | Psywisp | It is a little more confusing from the start |
| 18:35.14 | Vailreth | you shouldnt need a task manager to completely close out an application |
| 18:35.28 | Psywisp | but once you learn it, it isn't as bad as everyone thinks it is |
| 18:35.30 | Helral | at win7 you close a program it's shut down. at win8 you close it, it keeps running on the background.... |
| 18:35.48 | Ahli | only these apps |
| 18:36.01 | Helral | right apps for a desktop pc.... :S |
| 18:36.03 | Ahli | but if you use win8, just don't use their apps or their start pc |
| 18:36.04 | Psywisp | Isn't that an inconvenience then? |
| 18:36.13 | Ahli | *start screen |
| 18:36.15 | Obscene | Ahli, I am really sorry to hear that |
| 18:36.16 | Psywisp | Yeah |
| 18:36.23 | Psywisp | I just use the desktop |
| 18:36.25 | Psywisp | works fine |
| 18:36.27 | Ahli | Obscene: I'm quite happy with it, though... |
| 18:36.37 | Ahli | classic shell fixed the obvious problems |
| 18:36.37 | Helral | so basically you need to figure out how to disable everything else which comes with win8 except for the desktop. |
| 18:36.42 | Helral | and then it becomes usable. |
| 18:36.47 | Obscene | Lies wont cover your true emotions you cant run from your problems of win 8!! |
| 18:36.51 | Ahli | you install a program and done |
| 18:36.52 | Psywisp | Welll |
| 18:37.01 | Psywisp | I use the start screen sometimes :D |
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| 18:37.13 | Psywisp | You can organize it |
| 18:37.15 | Psywisp | or something |
| 18:37.24 | Obscene | ill stick with win 7 |
| 18:37.25 | Ahli | the only problem I encounter is that the task manager is slow as f*ck and is not able to close all applications... |
| 18:37.40 | Helral | Windows actions that make no sense: 1. Introduction of the Ribbon. 2. Introduction of the apps stuff for desktop pc.... |
| 18:37.42 | Psywisp | Really |
| 18:37.46 | Psywisp | I can do that fine lol |
| 18:38.21 | Vailreth | wow ive made a dollar and 90 cents on steam selling trading cards |
| 18:38.22 | Ahli | well, winmpq in compatibility mode freezes in its load file window |
| 18:38.23 | Dustin|Work | Every other windows release is complete garbage, always has been, always will be. So wait for windows 10 |
| 18:38.38 | Dustin|Work | Cause they'll skip 9 |
| 18:38.42 | Helral | lol |
| 18:38.49 | Dustin|Work | Cause they like to do stupid crap like that |
| 18:38.49 | Ahli | and win8 can't close it because the task manager stops being able to fully load or close the program |
| 18:38.54 | Ahli | but you can log out and back in |
| 18:39.46 | Psywisp | Windows 10! The version that has no windows! |
| 18:39.57 | Helral | I used to know where to find stuff with microsoft office... since the ribbon I've not found a whole lot of functionality that previously was available. |
| 18:40.11 | Helral | windows 10, no more desktop mode. enjoy. :P |
| 18:40.21 | Psywisp | :P |
| 18:40.44 | Vailreth | my question is whom are telling microsoft that people want these shitty changes |
| 18:40.49 | Helral | enough ranting about how bad microsoft is doing their job now. |
| 18:41.02 | Helral | time for something more creative.... hmmm what shall I do.... |
| 18:41.15 | Psywisp | you should go |
| 18:41.17 | Psywisp | make a map |
| 18:41.29 | Helral | don't you mean finish a map? |
| 18:41.45 | Helral | I haven't gotten a clue where I was with my rdm.... |
| 18:41.52 | Psywisp | I suppose |
| 18:42.01 | Psywisp | Well you could take the day to remember! |
| 18:42.18 | Helral | it was one of the first random dungeon maps around. but then I got bored and stopped working on it. |
| 18:42.43 | Helral | so it never got further then in development stage |
| 18:42.52 | Psywisp | random dungeon? |
| 18:42.55 | Helral | yeah. |
| 18:43.01 | Ahli | there are more random dungeon maps than yours and mine? |
| 18:43.04 | Psywisp | Randomly generated? |
| 18:43.07 | Helral | no idea. |
| 18:43.08 | Helral | yup |
| 18:43.12 | Psywisp | :o |
| 18:43.30 | Helral | Ahli's diablo map, and my rdm started at about the same time. |
| 18:43.38 | Psywisp | Is it an RPG? |
| 18:43.44 | Helral | neh just hack and slash. |
| 18:43.52 | Psywisp | Okay |
| 18:43.55 | Psywisp | xD |
| 18:43.58 | Helral | I even added in an achievement system just to see if it was possible. |
| 18:44.19 | Helral | but it has only the same mobs over and over. no real classes stuff etc. |
| 18:44.23 | Psywisp | Achievement: Too Much Luck - Spawn next to the exit |
| 18:44.28 | Helral | it's really basic. |
| 18:44.36 | Helral | I could create that one. |
| 18:44.59 | Helral | Too Much Luck - Find the exit within 10 seconds of entering the level. |
| 18:45.15 | Psywisp | lol |
| 18:45.41 | Helral | I've got an achievement: Dungeon Explorer - Reveal the entire level |
| 18:45.56 | Helral | I've even got a percentage marker which tells you what % you've explored. |
| 18:46.10 | Psywisp | I could try to think of more achievements if you want |
| 18:46.14 | Helral | lol |
| 18:46.39 | Psywisp | Okay nvm |
| 18:46.40 | Psywisp | :( |
| 18:47.11 | Helral | Psywisp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVApkoxdqqo |
| 18:47.24 | Helral | It's one of the dev movies I made when I was developing it. |
| 18:47.37 | Psywisp | Perfect! What engine does this use? I am trying to make a 3d dungeon crawler game and haven't found the right thing, until I got here lol |
| 18:47.41 | Psywisp | xD |
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| 18:49.06 | Helral | as you can see at the date, I made that 3 years ago. |
| 18:49.24 | Vailreth | shit.. i dont have my team color modifed raynor model anymore |
| 18:50.26 | Helral|SC2 | I'll be ingame a bit. |
| 18:50.40 | Psywisp | Okay |
| 18:51.32 | Ahli | vailreth, model? you only need a texture for that |
| 18:52.02 | Psywisp | I'll watch you play LoL in the meantime |
| 18:52.22 | Vailreth | for WoL raynor? |
| 18:52.54 | Ahli | for Raynor in his marine combat suit? |
| 18:53.19 | Vailreth | yes |
| 18:53.51 | Frinckles | Who's playin league? ;o |
| 18:54.00 | Ahli | try my texture modification: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4479839/marineraynor_diffuse.dds |
| 18:54.25 | Vailreth | thanks |
| 18:54.27 | Ahli | it made the shoulder plates team colored, if I remember it correctly |
| 18:54.44 | Ahli | team colored = add transparency to the texture |
| 18:54.50 | Vailreth | right |
| 18:55.07 | Vailreth | i thought the marine raynor model was not set up to use team color |
| 18:56.26 | Dustin|Work | Team color is setup based on texture I think, not model |
| 18:57.04 | Vailreth | no there are some models that even with alpha on the texture do not pull team color |
| 18:57.53 | Vailreth | atleast there were |
| 18:58.02 | Obscene | Team color is based on both Texture and model |
| 18:58.19 | Dustin|Work | Ah |
| 18:58.21 | Obscene | The model has to have team color enabled, and the texture has to have the alpha channel painted for it to work, usually on the diffuse |
| 18:58.32 | Vailreth | yes |
| 18:58.56 | Obscene | If its a zerg or protoss, the alpha uses transparency so that the emissive can shine through, if its terran or neutral then it uses the diffuse textures alpha only |
| 18:59.24 | Obscene | Vail you can check in cutscene editor to see which models have it enabled. |
| 19:24.05 | Fate_ | duckies id run a mapptest in about 35 mins |
| 19:37.07 | duckies | hm |
| 19:37.12 | duckies | maybe I'll be off by then |
| 19:48.36 | Psywisp | uhhh |
| 19:48.46 | Psywisp | I can't access the forums |
| 19:50.43 | Dustin|Work | Why not? |
| 19:51.07 | Psywisp | huh |
| 19:51.11 | Psywisp | well nvm now I can |
| 19:54.08 | Obscene | Gateway error :P |
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| 19:56.55 | JademusSreg | Damn power outage. |
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| 19:59.13 | JademusSreg | Did I miss anything of import? My logs have a gap, apparently. |
| 19:59.32 | Obscene | you did jademus, the president came in here and started break dancing, then he left |
| 20:00.24 | JademusSreg | So that would be a "no". |
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| 20:03.41 | CloudWolf | evening all! :P |
| 20:04.06 | Fate_ | hey |
| 20:04.14 | Fate_ | i waited for you |
| 20:04.31 | CloudWolf | just logging into sc2 now :D |
| 20:04.34 | Fate_ | you have ts3? |
| 20:05.24 | CloudWolf | sure do! although, dont we need a server for that? :P |
| 20:05.33 | Fate_ | wait |
| 20:05.36 | Fate_ | i send u |
| 20:08.05 | Fate_ | u coming? |
| 20:08.47 | Helral | meow |
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| 20:13.49 | Psywisp | meow |
| 20:14.07 | Psywisp | Helral what did you accomplish in sc2? |
| 20:14.19 | Helral | losing a few sc2matches. |
| 20:15.38 | Psywisp | 1v1? |
| 20:16.00 | Helral | 3v3 |
| 20:16.07 | Psywisp | Ah |
| 20:16.16 | Psywisp | Do you ever play 1v1? |
| 20:16.24 | Helral | 3 years ago :P |
| 20:16.44 | Psywisp | lol :P |
| 20:17.01 | Psywisp | So far I don't know any mapmaker who actually plays 1v1s |
| 20:17.16 | Psywisp | Thus I created a theory |
| 20:17.25 | Psywisp | One who creates SC2 maps cannot be good at 1v1 |
| 20:17.32 | Helral | lol |
| 20:17.43 | Helral | I was in gold league back then. dunno if that counts as good :P |
| 20:17.48 | Psywisp | Lol |
| 20:17.53 | Psywisp | I'm gold right now actually |
| 20:18.02 | Psywisp | Well I left my league |
| 20:18.08 | Psywisp | Since I lost 9 games in a row once |
| 20:18.17 | Helral | hehehe |
| 20:18.22 | Helral | what race you play? |
| 20:18.28 | Psywisp | Toss and zerg |
| 20:18.33 | Helral | I play random :P |
| 20:18.40 | Psywisp | :P |
| 20:19.35 | Helral | think I'll go hit the sack |
| 20:19.47 | Psywisp | What does that mean |
| 20:19.53 | Helral | going to sleep |
| 20:20.00 | Psywisp | ah |
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| 20:20.00 | Psywisp | Okay |
| 20:20.05 | Psywisp | Good niightgthgt |
| 20:23.01 | twodie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsdVmt6193A |
| 20:30.26 | Ahli | I'm platinum in 1vs1 |
| 20:31.28 | Psywisp | :O |
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| 20:31.38 | Psywisp | You are the exception |
| 20:32.37 | Ahli | I assume the best editor user that plays 1vs1 is Morrow: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/MorroW he made some training maps I believe and one tower defense |
| 20:33.58 | Ahli | what can I do in the 4 hours that I'm going to sit in a train tomorrow? :X |
| 20:36.06 | Psywisp | You could |
| 20:36.09 | Psywisp | count sheep :D |
| 20:36.32 | Ahli | I would like to avoid falling asleep^^ |
| 20:40.32 | Ahli | Blizzard is going to hide destructible rock's minimap appearance and fix the command card for the barracks (reaper <-> marauder) with a hotfix |
| 20:40.44 | Kueken | I usually sleep in trains |
| 20:41.01 | Kueken | its a nice way to pass the time :) |
| 20:41.20 | Kueken | otherwise, reading a book while hearing music works nicely as well |
| 20:41.50 | Kueken | but it has to be both things combined, otherwise the sounds and eople around you will distract from reading |
| 20:41.54 | Kueken | *p |
| 20:43.13 | Obscene | Ahli you there? |
| 20:43.28 | Obscene | http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/2013/08/new-video-games-unveiled-at-gamescom-2013/#22 as for your question earlier, hearthstone is at gamescom |
| 20:44.09 | Ahli | cool |
| 20:44.46 | Psywisp | I am going to work on my map |
| 20:44.50 | Psywisp | yayy |
| 20:44.52 | Psywisp | so fun |
| 20:45.00 | Ahli | now I just need to hope that I'm going to be treated like a VIP and don't have to wait (like last year) >_> |
| 20:45.40 | Obscene | haha |
| 20:45.59 | Obscene | just walk up to them and be like... "Hey you play starcraft... well I made diablo in it bitches" |
| 20:46.06 | Ahli | but last year they had no GRID hotkeys in HotS... I hated to play it then |
| 20:46.21 | Psywisp | So now you can diablo in your starcraft |
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| 20:59.13 | Ahli | does anyone know what "Nephalem Trials" in D3 is? (most features are patched to vanilla, too... and soon afaIk) |
| 21:11.35 | Obscene | Nephalem trials? |
| 21:11.40 | Obscene | I didnt know that existed |
| 21:11.49 | Obscene | that isnt that cheap PVP they put in temporarily is it? |
| 21:16.37 | Ahli | it's something they announced today, but there is no info about it |
| 21:17.32 | Obscene | ah |
| 21:17.42 | Obscene | its 1 of two things |
| 21:17.44 | Dustin|Work | 10-15 minute loot runs that are RNG with a boss |
| 21:17.49 | Obscene | 1. Its a survival horde mode. |
| 21:17.57 | Obscene | Or 2. its a pvp system finally |
| 21:18.00 | Obscene | not just duals |
| 21:19.56 | Ahli | dustin, that's are "item runs" |
| 21:20.06 | Ahli | *these |
| 21:20.08 | Dustin|Work | Oh its something else? |
| 21:20.12 | Ahli | yes |
| 21:20.19 | Dustin|Work | Interesting |
| 21:21.38 | Ahli | " |
| 21:21.38 | Ahli | Diablo III’s Paragon progression system is also being majorly upgraded for the expansion, adding even more end-game character advancement and replayability. Two new game modes—Loot Runs and Nephalem Trials—are being added as well, providing fun and rewarding challenges for players to tackle when they’re not busy saving the world." http://sea.blizzard.com/en-sg/company/press/pressreleases.html?id=10697951 |
| 21:26.09 | Obscene | Nephalem trials sound like a survival mode |
| 21:26.47 | Dustin|Work | Or some kind of tests of will |
| 21:27.09 | Obscene | There is 1 test |
| 21:27.11 | Obscene | 1 hint |
| 21:27.26 | Obscene | it sa "for players to tackle, when they are NOT busy saving the world" |
| 21:27.34 | Obscene | That tells us it will be outside of the 4 acts |
| 21:27.38 | Obscene | 5 acts |
| 21:28.11 | Ahli | it's a new game mode, so it might be outside the default areas |
| 21:28.17 | Ahli | ya |
| 21:28.51 | Obscene | So I am guessing A Colosseum style survival horde mode. |
| 21:29.18 | Obscene | we will know in 2 months |
| 21:29.56 | DeadZergling | I won't, won't be touching Diablo w/ a ten foot pole |
| 21:30.08 | Obscene | it also says trials, meaning it wont be like test of will where there is only 1 wave |
| 21:30.28 | Obscene | ill get it when it comes into the value range |
| 21:30.33 | Obscene | 20$ |
| 21:30.49 | Obscene | its not worth 40$ at all to me though |
| 21:31.04 | Dustin|Work | If I get it fo free I might play it maybe |
| 21:31.11 | Dustin|Work | But other than that, nope |
| 21:31.18 | DeadZergling | I wouldn't play it long if I got paid to play it |
| 21:31.50 | Obscene | lol |
| 21:31.58 | Obscene | why deadzergling you hate d3 that much? |
| 21:32.05 | Obscene | it gave me 20 hours of enjoyment so I was satisfied |
| 21:32.47 | DeadZergling | because it is so obvious it should have ended with diablo 1 |
| 21:33.29 | DeadZergling | once diablo was sealed in the jewel shard, they shoulda just flushed him down the toilet |
| 21:33.29 | Obscene | lawl, hah I loved Diablo 1 I really do, I think its amazing, I think visually its 10 times more stunning, but I still enjoy the genre |
| 21:33.37 | DeadZergling | you don't put a freaking demon in your brain |
| 21:33.43 | DeadZergling | you flushem |
| 21:33.58 | Obscene | haha, The jewel was too strong for the hero to endure |
| 21:34.10 | Obscene | So he shoved teh jewel into his head to prevent diablo from getting out |
| 21:34.36 | DeadZergling | what endurance does one need to flush? |
| 21:34.41 | Obscene | haha |
| 21:34.49 | Obscene | The jewel corrupted everything it touched |
| 21:35.05 | DeadZergling | so just flush it down the toilet at a BP |
| 21:35.07 | Obscene | there were demons everwhere still, flushing would have just handed the jewel over faster |
| 21:35.12 | DeadZergling | be nothing to corrupt |
| 21:35.18 | Obscene | hah |
| 21:35.33 | Obscene | he held the jewel I think it says like 20 years |
| 21:36.05 | DeadZergling | *faster |
| 21:36.06 | DeadZergling | sure he would have escaped the jewel fater |
| 21:36.10 | DeadZergling | but think of it, Diablo reborn at the bottom of the ocean |
| 21:36.20 | Psywisp | Hey |
| 21:36.22 | DeadZergling | what would he do? |
| 21:36.27 | Psywisp | I have a question |
| 21:36.27 | Obscene | 99% of toilets dont go to the ocean |
| 21:36.30 | Psywisp | About the editor |
| 21:36.37 | Obscene | What you need psywisp |
| 21:36.41 | Psywisp | Wait where do they go to then? |
| 21:36.42 | Psywisp | ok |
| 21:36.44 | DeadZergling | get fish to swim near him for the water heating he provides? |
| 21:37.02 | DeadZergling | He would be an aquaman who can't swim |
| 21:37.02 | Psywisp | Is it possible to set a unit to spawn after a certain amount of time? |
| 21:37.04 | Obscene | They go to Septic tanks :P, or in underdeveloped places down pipes and into a lake |
| 21:37.25 | Obscene | yeah? |
| 21:37.30 | Psywisp | Well |
| 21:37.32 | Obscene | Explain what your wanting more though ps |
| 21:37.34 | Psywisp | For example |
| 21:37.35 | Obscene | psy* |
| 21:37.47 | Psywisp | There's a dialog button that spawns a Zealot |
| 21:37.58 | Psywisp | But I want to button to spawn a zealot after 25 seconds |
| 21:38.04 | Psywisp | I want that button( |
| 21:38.05 | Psywisp | * |
| 21:38.12 | Psywisp | I can't type apparently |
| 21:38.26 | Obscene | Button pressed, wait 25 seconds, create unit... yadda yadda |
| 21:38.30 | Obscene | just do a wait |
| 21:39.00 | Psywisp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.08 | DeadZergling | hrrrmm |
| 21:39.24 | Psywisp | But the thing is |
| 21:39.28 | Psywisp | When that button is clicked |
| 21:39.30 | DeadZergling | question Psywisp, do you just want a 25 delay for that unit, or a 25 delay before any more can be created, period? |
| 21:39.42 | Psywisp | Just for that unit |
| 21:40.01 | Psywisp | Anyway, when that button is clicked, it also does something else immediatly |
| 21:40.06 | Obscene | So? |
| 21:40.09 | DeadZergling | should be fine w/ just a trigger, wait 25 secs gametime, then create unit |
| 21:40.15 | DeadZergling | if that is all you want |
| 21:40.19 | Obscene | do it after that action fires, actions fire in the order they are placed in |
| 21:40.26 | Psywisp | Ah |
| 21:40.38 | Psywisp | So I just place it before wait 25 seconds? |
| 21:40.44 | Obscene | yeah |
| 21:40.51 | Psywisp | Okay thanks ^^ |
| 21:40.56 | Obscene | np, anytime |
| 21:41.02 | Psywisp | I suppose you are actually helpful |
| 21:41.04 | Psywisp | I mean, what |
| 21:41.29 | Psywisp | Sorry that was kinda mean :x |
| 21:43.19 | Psywisp | Also does "wait for trigger to execute" and "wait __ seconds" stack? |
| 21:44.51 | ThunderLord | anyone know what the max thread count is? |
| 21:45.20 | Ahli | 1024 |
| 21:45.36 | ThunderLord | thanks |
| 21:54.57 | DeadZergling | People can actually be quite helpful on here Psywisp, just needs to be a problem we know how to solve, and a problem period. |
| 21:55.07 | DeadZergling | Otherwise we get really bored and just post anything :) |
| 21:55.12 | Psywisp | Yeah, I realized that :P |
| 21:56.53 | Psywisp | do maps normally have like 1000 variables? |
| 21:57.17 | DeadZergling | well, yea |
| 21:57.23 | Psywisp | xD |
| 21:57.24 | DeadZergling | normally a lot of them are in arrays |
| 21:57.37 | DeadZergling | but 1000 variables doesn't sound unreasonable at all to me |
| 21:57.47 | Psywisp | How come mine are all dialog items |
| 21:58.46 | DeadZergling | because you are guitastic? |
| 21:59.11 | Psywisp | Idk what that means |
| 22:00.08 | DeadZergling | gui = graphical user interface |
| 22:00.19 | DeadZergling | dialogs are very much about a gui |
| 22:00.23 | Psywisp | Well |
| 22:00.27 | Psywisp | All the dialogs |
| 22:00.28 | DeadZergling | so lots of dialog variables must mean you are guitastic |
| 22:00.29 | Psywisp | are text |
| 22:00.31 | Psywisp | :P |
| 22:01.24 | Psywisp | It's just that every unit has it's own dialog button and variable, time that by 6(the number of players) |
| 22:01.48 | Psywisp | Along with all the other random dialog buttons i have |
| 22:02.01 | DeadZergling | seems like a lot |
| 22:02.05 | Psywisp | Oh |
| 22:02.10 | Psywisp | and times all that by 2 |
| 22:02.22 | Psywisp | Because of the game mechanics |
| 22:02.33 | Psywisp | it is a lot :x |
| 22:03.07 | DeadZergling | why so many? |
| 22:03.15 | Psywisp | Idk |
| 22:03.33 | Psywisp | You can spawn units :D |
| 22:03.37 | Psywisp | It is all worth it |
| 22:04.30 | DeadZergling | I guess, just don't know why you'd want a dialog item for each and every unit |
| 22:04.46 | Psywisp | Because you have the option to spawn any unit |
| 22:05.34 | DeadZergling | so let me get this straight, let's say 30 units exist in the game |
| 22:06.00 | DeadZergling | you think you need (30 buttons + 30 text labels) * 6 players to cover? |
| 22:06.15 | Psywisp | yeah |
| 22:06.35 | Psywisp | But you choose 2 different units per round |
| 22:06.39 | DeadZergling | okay, well get rid of the 6 |
| 22:06.49 | DeadZergling | you can make one set of 30 buttons work for all players |
| 22:07.14 | Psywisp | Really? |
| 22:07.17 | DeadZergling | really |
| 22:07.31 | Psywisp | Wouldn't you be able to spawn infinite units? |
| 22:07.45 | DeadZergling | I don't pretend to know the inner workings of it all |
| 22:07.45 | Psywisp | If you don't destroy the dialog |
| 22:07.57 | DeadZergling | but you can hide a dialog for player 1 |
| 22:08.02 | DeadZergling | and it still be visible for the other 5 |
| 22:08.11 | DeadZergling | no, don't destroy the dialog |
| 22:08.15 | DeadZergling | just hide it |
| 22:08.21 | DeadZergling | set visible = false |
| 22:08.31 | Psywisp | IS ALL THAT I HAVE BEEN DOING A LIE? |
| 22:08.38 | Psywisp | D: |
| 22:08.39 | DeadZergling | afraid so |
| 22:08.50 | Psywisp | well then |
| 22:09.08 | DeadZergling | just make your 1 dialog w/ 30 units or whatever |
| 22:09.18 | DeadZergling | hide it for that player after a choice is made |
| 22:09.26 | DeadZergling | make your life easier |
| 22:10.27 | Psywisp | ... |
| 22:10.31 | Psywisp | Why didn't I think of this |
| 22:10.53 | Psywisp | Well that saves me some trouble |
| 22:10.55 | DeadZergling | you didn't know |
| 22:10.59 | DeadZergling | and knowing is half the battle |
| 22:11.03 | DeadZergling | GI JOE! |
| 22:11.08 | Psywisp | xD |
| 22:11.51 | Psywisp | YAY |
| 22:11.56 | Psywisp | SO MUCH LESS CLUTTERED |
| 22:12.02 | Psywisp | caps are fun |
| 22:12.11 | Psywisp | I should stop using caps |
| 22:12.32 | DeadZergling | WHAT? I DIDN'T HEAR YOU, SPEAK LOUDER |
| 22:12.39 | Psywisp | I SAID |
| 22:12.42 | DeadZergling | yea, all caps can be a very bad thing :P |
| 22:12.43 | Psywisp | YAAAAAAAAAAAY |
| 22:12.57 | Psywisp | SOOOOOOOOOO MUUUUUUUUUCH LEEEEEEESSSSSSS CLUUUUUUTTTTEEEEREEEEEED |
| 22:12.59 | Dustin|Work | CAPS LOCK IS THE CRUISE CONTROL TO COOL. |
| 22:13.21 | Psywisp | I turn on my caps lock 50% of the time |
| 22:13.30 | Psywisp | Er |
| 22:13.38 | Psywisp | My caps lock is turned on 50% of the time |
| 22:14.22 | DeadZergling | SoOn SoMe IdIoT wIlL cOmE uP wItH aUtOmAtIC cAp On/OfF aLtErNaToR |
| 22:14.42 | DeadZergling | Be A bAd DaY fOr AlL |
| 22:15.40 | Psywisp | i'M sUrPrIsEd No OnE hAs MaDe ThAt YeT |
| 22:16.10 | DeadZergling | probably have, just a little impractical to use |
| 22:16.22 | DeadZergling | I'm talking put into the keyboard innately |
| 22:16.31 | DeadZergling | be a caps lock key |
| 22:16.36 | DeadZergling | and a capsish lock key |
| 22:16.49 | Psywisp | Ah |
| 22:16.57 | Psywisp | I thought you meant like a translator |
| 22:17.05 | Psywisp | So I searched on google for one |
| 22:17.08 | Psywisp | Found nothing |
| 22:17.26 | DeadZergling | I have no doubt one exists on google |
| 22:17.41 | Psywisp | You may try to find one |
| 22:17.41 | DeadZergling | just have to put in the right search |
| 22:17.57 | Vailreth | well this sucks |
| 22:18.01 | Psywisp | "Caps on/off alternator" |
| 22:18.05 | Psywisp | What sucks D: |
| 22:18.16 | Psywisp | Don't be saaad |
| 22:18.21 | Vailreth | the duration override validator functionality is broken |
| 22:18.26 | Psywisp | there are many other people that are more saaaderrr |
| 22:18.34 | Psywisp | I don't know what that is |
| 22:18.34 | Psywisp | So |
| 22:18.38 | Psywisp | I will shut up |
| 22:18.55 | Vailreth | and im not sad im midly digruntled |
| 22:19.09 | DeadZergling | http://crazytextmaker.com/ |
| 22:19.13 | DeadZergling | took me a whole minute |
| 22:19.31 | Psywisp | Wow |
| 22:19.45 | Psywisp | I suppose I'm bad at searching |
| 22:19.50 | DeadZergling | 7h!5 !5 my 31!73 m355493! |
| 22:21.00 | DeadZergling | lol nice, it craps kana together to make messages too |
| 22:21.02 | DeadZergling | ｲんﾉ丂 ﾉ丂 ﾶﾘ 乇ﾚﾉｲ乇 ﾶ乇丂丂ﾑg乇! |
| 22:21.49 | Psywisp | uh |
| 22:21.53 | Psywisp | That looks like |
| 22:22.00 | Psywisp | a language that I don't know |
| 22:22.15 | DeadZergling | is japanese kana used to simulate english |
| 22:22.54 | Psywisp | huh |
| 22:22.55 | Psywisp | I see |
| 22:23.00 | Psywisp | I am so smart |
| 22:23.04 | Psywisp | I did something on my own |
| 22:23.20 | Psywisp | I wanted to make rounds for my game |
| 22:23.32 | Psywisp | So when any unit dies |
| 22:23.36 | Psywisp | the game checks for supply |
| 22:23.40 | Psywisp | if 1 team has 0 supply |
| 22:23.43 | Psywisp | the other team wins |
| 22:23.48 | Psywisp | simple right |
| 22:23.53 | Psywisp | The problem was |
| 22:24.14 | Psywisp | I set it to restart game |
| 22:24.14 | Psywisp | well, I set the action to that |
| 22:24.25 | Psywisp | And that basically sent everyone to the loading screen |
| 22:24.27 | Psywisp | SO |
| 22:24.45 | Psywisp | I put all the startup actions in a action definition |
| 22:24.54 | Psywisp | and instead of restarting game |
| 22:25.01 | Psywisp | It did the action definition |
| 22:25.06 | Psywisp | I AM SO SMART OMGZZZZZZ NO |
| 22:25.15 | Psywisp | Why did I even say that |
| 22:25.33 | Psywisp | I wish I could just delete all those messages x_x |
| 22:27.02 | Vailreth | stop saying things |
| 22:27.12 | Vailreth | well not completely but let others speak |
| 22:27.28 | Psywisp | Sorry |
| 22:27.36 | Psywisp | That whole wall was sarcasm :x |
| 22:27.56 | Vailreth | na its just if you post to much to quickly you could get auto kicked for spamming. |
| 22:27.56 | Psywisp | Please forgive me |
| 22:28.09 | Psywisp | Oh, good thing I didn't xD |
| 22:28.12 | DeadZergling | eh, not saying that much really. He just has a real habit to speak like he is in a game, a few words at a time. |
| 22:28.26 | Psywisp | I speak like that all the time, actually |
| 22:28.40 | Psywisp | Even before I played Starcraft |
| 22:28.44 | DeadZergling | no caffeine for you, sir. |
| 22:29.05 | Psywisp | It's become a habit :x |
| 22:29.23 | DeadZergling | oh well, it is like totally cool with us |
| 22:29.30 | DeadZergling | if you prefer to talk like a valley girl :) |
| 22:29.37 | Psywisp | ... |
| 22:29.39 | Vailreth | i love that song |
| 22:29.42 | Psywisp | Sure. |
| 22:31.02 | Psywisp | Hm |
| 22:31.14 | Psywisp | How to modify the supply that a unit costs? |
| 22:31.29 | DeadZergling | data editor be easiest |
| 22:31.40 | DeadZergling | could set the catalog value using a trigger too though |
| 22:31.44 | Psywisp | Yeah I know that, but what value in the data editor? |
| 22:31.51 | Vailreth | oh |
| 22:31.53 | DeadZergling | should be under unit |
| 22:32.01 | Vailreth | i think its under the unit and supplies |
| 22:32.04 | DeadZergling | supply or something like that |
| 22:32.20 | Psywisp | ah thanks |
| 22:32.22 | Psywisp | I found it |
| 22:32.42 | Vailreth | you can use attributes and behaviors to modify the vaule at runtime |
| 22:32.54 | DeadZergling | if you hadn't noticed yet, is 2 search fields in the data editor |
| 22:33.11 | Psywisp | Yeah I searched Supplies in the search field :P |
| 22:33.15 | DeadZergling | the right one is really good for narrowing fields down if you are looking to edit 1 particular stat |
| 22:33.31 | DeadZergling | haha okay, just saying after the whole crazy text search thing :) |
| 22:33.56 | Psywisp | I just want to set zerglings to 1 supply, so that it dosen't mistake having 1 zergling as having no units |
| 22:34.44 | Vailreth | er i think those are two different things |
| 22:34.55 | Vailreth | you probably want the unit flags then |
| 22:35.23 | Psywisp | Wait |
| 22:35.45 | DeadZergling | 25 seconds |
| 22:35.47 | DeadZergling | Create Unit |
| 22:35.48 | Psywisp | I set it to check for supply, and I think having 1 zergling counts as 0 supply |
| 22:35.59 | Vailreth | oh |
| 22:36.01 | Vailreth | ok |
| 22:36.10 | Vailreth | actually counts as .5 |
| 22:36.21 | Vailreth | but the trigger may see it as a 0 int |
| 22:36.22 | Psywisp | Oh |
| 22:36.34 | Psywisp | It's just that in game you see it as 0 supply |
| 22:36.45 | Psywisp | So I thought it MIGHT count it as 0 |
| 22:36.54 | Psywisp | Just being safe :P |
| 22:37.02 | Vailreth | yeah they do not readily display the decimal places |
| 22:37.05 | Psywisp | It's not like supply really matters in the game I'm making |
| 22:42.20 | Psywisp | Hm |
| 22:43.25 | Psywisp | If I put "Wait __ seconds", and then say perform another action |
| 22:43.57 | Psywisp | Is it possible to cancel those two actions, if another action from the same trigger is used? |
| 22:44.11 | Psywisp | Wait what am I saying... |
| 22:44.15 | Psywisp | Nvm lol |
| 22:46.41 | Psywisp | If the trigger event is "Any Unit Dies", if I have "Kill Unit" in the trigger, will the trigger loop? |
| 22:46.57 | Psywisp | That's actually a question |
| 22:47.48 | Vailreth | the trigger will fire every time a unit dies |
| 22:47.58 | Vailreth | so it should from what i know |
| 22:51.39 | Kueken | in WC3, it would even halt the current trigger execution to execute the newly triggered instance first, causing an endless loop and probably freeze/crash/whatever |
| 22:52.02 | Psywisp | Well I broke my map |
| 22:52.05 | Psywisp | Great |
| 22:52.05 | Kueken | in SC2, it is handled differently, but would probably still produce an error message |
| 22:52.19 | Kueken | easy to circumvent, though |
| 23:00.21 | Psywisp | Well this is a problem |
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| 23:34.40 | Obscene | Weren't getting a ps4? WELL HOW ABOUT NOW http://www.destructoid.com/red-and-blue-playstation-4-controllers-revealed-260478.phtml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter |
| 23:36.55 | DeadZergling | trolling again are we? |
| 23:36.59 | Obscene | ? |
| 23:37.16 | DeadZergling | they are just 2 controllers w/ different colored plastic :P |
| 23:38.52 | Ahli | :S I want to get up in 4.5 hours... oh well |
| 23:38.54 | Obscene | :)) |
| 23:38.54 | *** part/#sc2mapster Ahli (~qqqq@dslb-092-073-195-091.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:39.23 | Obscene | Usually when you buy a console at launch there isnt alternate colored controllers you can buy |
| 23:39.44 | Obscene | It wasnt trolling, it was displaying an over-excitement for something that was only mildly cool |
| 23:42.34 | Obscene | Youtube... you really really dont know me at all :( |
| 23:42.42 | Obscene | Recommended just makes me sad |
| 23:43.17 | A1win | sounds like you need to give google more of personal information |
| 23:43.24 | A1win | +your |
| 23:43.28 | Obscene | lawl |
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| 23:45.48 | Obscene | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.50 | Obscene | http://i.imgur.com/fw2RioG.png |
| 23:46.03 | Obscene | see... Look at what I am subscribed to -_- lol |
| 23:46.24 | DeadZergling | that actually makes sense for you |
| 23:46.35 | Obscene | and that last one which shows a tank rolling over people in a middle east language... I am pretty sure is terrorist... |
| 23:46.40 | Obscene | :( |
| 23:46.44 | Obscene | but I hate all those people |
| 23:47.20 | Obscene | nope, I was wrong, wasnt terrorist |
| 23:47.24 | Obscene | was Egyption activist |
