| 00:00.01 | Zandose | your right about texttags ty |
| 00:00.21 | DeadZergling | or possibly only with them, lol |
| 00:00.36 | Zolden | just create a local offset, set its offset, add it to actor's site operations field, done |
| 00:00.37 | Ababmer | it worked, but the editor is coming up with the message 'Properties detected for attach point Ref_Weapon Right which does not exist.' |
| 00:00.47 | Ababmer | for Weapon Left, as well |
| 00:00.51 | Ababmer | that anything to worry about? |
| 00:01.07 | DeadZergling | so you got a jumping zergling right? |
| 00:01.15 | Zolden | remove from model's attachments field all shit |
| 00:01.34 | DeadZergling | guessing the raptor actor events has some old events that no longer apply |
| 00:01.52 | Ababmer | i got a zergling that jumped ye, it was a little too slow for its animation tho |
| 00:01.52 | DeadZergling | the attachment points don't exist on the zergling model |
| 00:01.57 | Ababmer | for its movement |
| 00:02.06 | Ababmer | like walking |
| 00:02.12 | Ababmer | fast animation but slow movement |
| 00:02.28 | DeadZergling | well let's deal with the errors first |
| 00:02.33 | Ababmer | ok |
| 00:02.40 | DeadZergling | you got 2 options, get rid of the attachment events all together |
| 00:02.48 | DeadZergling | or find points on the zergling that exist to use |
| 00:02.57 | Ababmer | do i need the attachment events |
| 00:03.03 | Ababmer | i dont intend to do any attaching |
| 00:03.04 | DeadZergling | doubtful |
| 00:03.24 | DeadZergling | just wanted you to be aware of the options |
| 00:03.31 | Ababmer | i see |
| 00:03.33 | DeadZergling | I would likely get rid of the attachment events |
| 00:03.41 | Ababmer | in actor? |
| 00:03.51 | DeadZergling | is where I suspect they'd be, aye |
| 00:05.18 | DeadZergling | about the slow animation/jump speed, i'd need to understand the raptor leap ability more to be much use, I'm guessing the solution will be speeding up the actor animation and/or increasing the mover speed |
| 00:06.35 | Ababmer | jus struggling to find the attachment events |
| 00:08.04 | Ababmer | ah think i got them |
| 00:08.08 | Ababmer | under model |
| 00:08.08 | DeadZergling | yea, never dealt w/ the raptor actor, and at work right now, so can't be too exact right now I'm afraid :) |
| 00:08.30 | Zandose | can a units attachment point handle multiple attachments? |
| 00:09.13 | Ababmer | holy crap, i just double clicked my unit and changed the name then suggested ID and did ok and it came up with 1000 errors |
| 00:09.33 | Ababmer | annot create a CActorUnit outside of an underlying CUnit's CActorScope. Try creating the actor inside of a live unit's CActorScope or create a CActorModel instead. |
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| 00:09.45 | Lepton | hows bank signature not secure? |
| 00:09.50 | Lepton | is the encryption too weak? |
| 00:10.12 | Lepton | or can anyone edit the bank and then sign it on their own? |
| 00:10.18 | Lepton | if they have the right program |
| 00:10.38 | Ababmer | why is changing the name causing so many errors |
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| 00:12.49 | Ababmer | this is probably an actor duplication scope error |
| 00:13.00 | Ababmer | idk why changing the name triggers it tho |
| 00:14.40 | Zolden | Dogmai: what is the name of the desert you live in? |
| 00:14.52 | Zolden | there are 4 deserts in australia |
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| 00:27.13 | DeadZergling | isn't that pretty much all of Australia? 4 deserts |
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| 01:11.01 | DeadZergling | Hi Wrath, long time since seen you about in here |
| 01:11.10 | Wrath | Oh, hey Zling. |
| 01:11.22 | Wrath | Yeah, been pretty busy with my first full-time job. |
| 01:11.51 | Wrath | Web development stuff. Just a summer job. My senior year of college starts mid September. |
| 01:12.17 | Zandose | can offset site operation be created on a unit in triggers? |
| 01:13.11 | Wrath | What chu up to Zergling? |
| 01:13.27 | DeadZergling | not a whole lot at the moment, being bored at work waiting to go home, lol |
| 01:14.26 | Ababmer | thanks for the help deadzergling :D |
| 01:14.29 | Ababmer | got me through a rut |
| 01:14.35 | DeadZergling | no problem ababmer |
| 01:14.37 | Ababmer | main problem was just duplicating shit |
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| 01:14.54 | Ababmer | and random bugs |
| 01:14.55 | DeadZergling | just keep at it, you'll gain more confidence in the process the more you do it |
| 01:15.06 | DeadZergling | just like any part of the editor really |
| 01:15.10 | Ababmer | ye |
| 01:15.23 | Ababmer | ty! gn |
| 01:15.38 | Wrath | I'm getting really frustrated. |
| 01:15.48 | DeadZergling | Why is that? |
| 01:16.04 | Wrath | Well, the AoS community has been on the down-turn |
| 01:16.12 | Wrath | So I came up with a bunch of plans that would revitalize it |
| 01:16.29 | Wrath | The lead developer EKCO agreed to them |
| 01:16.36 | Wrath | But he's never around now |
| 01:16.58 | Wrath | I did all this work converting our health bars from trigger to layout and he's not here to add it |
| 01:17.10 | Wrath | I came up with a plan for hero creation competitions |
| 01:17.20 | Wrath | A reward shop for skins and the like |
| 01:17.24 | Wrath | And he's not here to work on them |
| 01:17.27 | Wrath | Uggh |
| 01:17.31 | Wrath | He should just turn it over to me |
| 01:19.09 | DeadZergling | sounds fun |
| 01:19.17 | DeadZergling | I been getting really good at procrastinating again |
| 01:19.43 | Wrath | lol |
| 01:20.47 | Zandose | Send Actor Message |
| 01:20.47 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.47 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.47 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.47 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.47 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.47 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.55 | Zandose | anyone know how to do this? |
| 01:22.14 | Wrath | Never tried much actor stuff via triggers. |
| 01:22.22 | Wrath | Chances are you could be doing it by data in a less messy way. |
| 01:22.45 | Zandose | i need triggers to make it dynamic |
| 01:23.31 | Zandose | do you know how to do it in data? |
| 01:23.43 | Wrath | I couldn't say without knowing what you are trying to do |
| 01:23.45 | Wrath | But I have to go |
| 01:23.47 | Wrath | Sorry! |
| 01:23.50 | Zandose | np |
| 01:23.53 | Wrath | See ya |
| 01:23.54 | Zandose | bye |
| 02:06.38 | Lepton | what does it mean abouty your map when ppl freeze on loading screen? |
| 02:18.05 | DeadZergling | Time to put in a warning in the description? "Due to the high graphic nature of this map, it is recommended that you turn any videos including naked women off while playing." |
| 02:24.36 | Ahli | Put this into the map's description: "Turn on the heating during the loading screen to avoid freezing." |
| 02:25.07 | Ahli | never ending loop at the start of the map? |
| 02:25.57 | Ahli | or a loop with thread creation? |
| 03:07.50 | Lepton | :L |
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| 03:08.38 | Qbz | hello. I'm not 100% sure what to do |
| 03:08.45 | Qbz | can i just ask questions here? |
| 03:08.53 | Qbz | Do i need to register or somting? |
| 03:17.10 | Ahli | just ask :D |
| 03:35.27 | Qbz | Well i was pretty good with Wc3 editor |
| 03:35.35 | Qbz | But not this, so I dont really know the data editor |
| 03:35.40 | Qbz | so im really just trying to avoid it if i can |
| 03:35.55 | Qbz | But I cant seem to find a way to give a unit flying with a trigger |
| 03:36.06 | Qbz | so im trying to make a custom version of the unit that it can change into that has flying |
| 03:36.24 | Qbz | but i have no idea how to make custom units via the data editor. My data editor never looks like the tutorials |
| 03:41.03 | Ahli | there are orange big buttons that change the view of the data on the right side of the editor |
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| 03:44.38 | Qbz | mine are at like.. .the top |
| 03:44.49 | Qbz | like... Show Field by source or something? |
| 03:49.10 | JademusSreg | Back. Busy damn day. |
| 03:56.09 | Qbz | I just can't make sense of the object editor...and i'm trying to follow a tutorial but it's not really helping. I'm trying to make a flying unit that plays the reaper jump animation so that I can replace a normal reaper with the flying version because as far as i can tell there's no way to give a unit flying via triggers |
| 03:56.38 | Qbz | Could anyone possibly help with this? |
| 03:56.45 | JademusSreg | I don't bother with reading (or writing) tutorials. |
| 03:57.15 | JademusSreg | But for that I would suggest a Morph ability, or a behavior/effect to force the morph, depending on your design./ |
| 03:58.47 | Qbz | ok. I think i can figure that much out. But how would i go about making a custom unit that's basically exactly the same as a reaper except it has flying movement instead of ground movement? |
| 04:00.25 | JademusSreg | By giving it a Flying mover and changing its collision flags and plane array to flying. |
| 04:00.59 | JademusSreg | Or rather, make a new unit with otherwise identical data, and those changes. |
| 04:01.36 | Qbz | so I would go to data editor, right click, Add unit, Copy from Reaper... |
| 04:01.49 | Qbz | in like... the unit tab |
| 04:01.51 | Qbz | of the data editor |
| 04:02.17 | JademusSreg | I suppose I could guide you through the process. |
| 04:02.25 | JademusSreg | But yes, that's a good start. |
| 04:02.59 | Qbz | yeah sorry im really unfarmiliar with the data editor and im not really finding any of the tutorials useful with getting to learn it |
| 04:03.13 | JademusSreg | Make sure you set the parent correctly, and give it a not-shitty ID. ReaperFlying would make sense. Reaper2 would not. |
| 04:03.45 | Qbz | Alright |
| 04:03.49 | Qbz | and i just went under movers |
| 04:03.54 | Qbz | switched it from jumper to flying |
| 04:04.02 | Qbz | and renamed it from like cliff jump to flying |
| 04:05.09 | Qbz | But then like under actors, it doesnt have the default reaper actor. And it doesnt have like... any of the models associated with reaper. only launch and land |
| 04:05.15 | Qbz | and i have no idea how to add them |
| 04:05.33 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 04:05.46 | Qbz | and if i try to like.. just place it in the world, it has no model |
| 04:05.55 | JademusSreg | I'll actually make a demo and guide you through the process. |
| 04:06.14 | Qbz | that'd be awesome, thanks |
| 04:06.32 | JademusSreg | That way, I don't give you shitty instructions, since I'll be doing them along the way. |
| 04:07.29 | Qbz | so i'll just start over |
| 04:08.49 | JademusSreg | Oh, I have a few questions. |
| 04:09.00 | Qbz | ok |
| 04:10.10 | JademusSreg | First, what is the design of your map? Which is to say, in non-technical terms, what kind of game is it? How is it played? What are its themes? |
| 04:12.09 | Qbz | It's intended to be a platformer. Specfically a recreation of a banjo kazooie level. I know triggers really well so im not really too worried about most of the stuff it's just this thing I can't do because it relies on the data edtor that i dont know how to ue |
| 04:13.46 | JademusSreg | Second, what is the design of this gameplay mechanic? Modifying standard data is bad practice; it's almost always better to add new data, as it mitigates risks associated with data changes from patches. So if one is using the Reaper just because it's easier, better to instead start with an entirely new unit. |
| 04:14.13 | Qbz | Uhhhh I was using reaper cause it has a jump animation |
| 04:14.42 | JademusSreg | Haha, anything can be made to jump. That's not an issue. |
| 04:15.18 | Qbz | well i mean most things dont have jump animations, right? |
| 04:16.35 | JademusSreg | The reaper isn't jumping because it has an animation to do so; that' |
| 04:16.44 | JademusSreg | *that's a WC3 way of thinking. |
| 04:17.01 | JademusSreg | It does have Jump animations, yes. |
| 04:17.21 | JademusSreg | But anything could be made to jump. |
| 04:17.41 | JademusSreg | If you want a Reaper model, that's fine, of course. |
| 04:17.50 | Qbz | well yeah.Earlier i was using just like... change height and play jump animation triggers |
| 04:17.52 | ArcanePariah | Also depends on what kind of "jump" you want, theres like 2-3 differnt ways to do jumping afaik |
| 04:18.08 | JademusSreg | More to the point, I need to understand the design so I can advise the optimal solution. |
| 04:18.17 | Qbz | uhh it would be designed so that |
| 04:18.22 | Qbz | you can jump on flat ground |
| 04:18.35 | Qbz | and you return to flat ground |
| 04:18.37 | Qbz | or |
| 04:18.40 | Qbz | you can jump |
| 04:18.52 | Qbz | and based on having a certain height above ground height or whatever |
| 04:18.54 | Qbz | you can cliff jump |
| 04:19.23 | JademusSreg | Banjo Kazooie is a 2D side-scrolling platformer, yes? And I assume you'll modify the camera to a perspective that makes it appear as such? |
| 04:19.35 | JademusSreg | Or is it a 3D platformer |
| 04:19.36 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 04:19.40 | Qbz | 3d |
| 04:19.42 | Qbz | think like |
| 04:19.46 | Qbz | super mario 64 |
| 04:19.51 | Qbz | or donkey kong 64 |
| 04:20.47 | JademusSreg | Alright. So you've got an over-shoulder or such camera in a third-person perspective with a WASD+Mouse control scheme, yeah? |
| 04:21.00 | JademusSreg | Or does your design use orders? |
| 04:21.13 | Qbz | i would probably set it up to use wasd |
| 04:21.15 | JademusSreg | As per usual SC2? |
| 04:21.42 | Qbz | i havement done the movement yet because i wasnt positive doing the jumping i want is even possible, and i figured that would be the hardest part, so im working on that first |
| 04:22.35 | JademusSreg | Best to ask if something is possible here in-channel. =D |
| 04:23.49 | Qbz | lol so is it possible? |
| 04:24.38 | JademusSreg | The process here is to start from an explanation of the design, determine an approach to achieve that design, and follow through with the technical implementation. So yeah, for future reference, this is how we help. |
| 04:25.06 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.08 | Qbz | Wasd movement... jumping.... able to move while midair... Unable to walk up cliffs, but able to jump up cliffs |
| 04:26.02 | Zandose | can you change ground movement to flying for a second to cliff jump? |
| 04:26.20 | JademusSreg | The camera is easy, the key+mouse control scheme is also doable, and the jumping has many possible approaches, so we'll need to better define its parameters until we arrive at the solution. =D |
| 04:26.44 | Qbz | I mean. that was my original idea. But i dont know how to do that, cause as far as i can tell, you cant do that with triggers |
| 04:28.11 | JademusSreg | If you want platformer-like jumping, it's doable, but it requires thinking outside of the SC2 standard constructs, like "cliffs". |
| 04:28.29 | Qbz | so like... how would i do it? |
| 04:28.56 | Qbz | I figured using cliffs, because they had set heights, would be an easy way to do it. |
| 04:29.02 | Qbz | but then i learned cliffs dont care about unit height |
| 04:29.18 | JademusSreg | Well, one needs a primer on the math involved. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajectory_of_a_projectile |
| 04:30.31 | Qbz | mmm yeah i think i can remember most of that from high school physics |
| 04:32.06 | JademusSreg | Data cannot reliably handle ballistic trajectories if the destination is not predetermined. If the destination were predetermined, one would use a ballistic movement driver in a mover, launch missile effect to launch the unit, simple enough, but platformers tend to be more dynamic, so this approach is not viable. |
| 04:33.00 | JademusSreg | It probably -is- doable in data, but it would require quite a lot of ridiculous bullshit to make it work. |
| 04:33.41 | Qbz | One thing i tried that didnt work was in triggers, I just used like... change unit height to make it look like it was jumping |
| 04:33.45 | JademusSreg | It is more practical to trigger this sort of system. |
| 04:33.50 | Qbz | then i gave it the state of like... ignore terrain height |
| 04:34.33 | Qbz | but. When the action of ignore terrain height was triggered, the unit's model disappeared. Also, Ignoring terrain height didn't let the unit walk onto the cliff while his height was being modified anyway |
| 04:35.20 | JademusSreg | Basic platformer code for collision handling, jumping, and so forth, those are available all over the internet in many different programming languages, so it would be easy enough to borrow from those. |
| 04:36.56 | JademusSreg | Also, one would want to learn how to manipulate actors via trigger by sending messages. |
| 04:37.32 | JademusSreg | But if you'd like, I can guide you through this data shit. |
| 04:37.42 | Qbz | yeah, unfortunately, i dont know too much about that |
| 04:37.52 | Qbz | i only really know the events, conditions, actions stuff well |
| 04:39.08 | JademusSreg | So you want to continue with this flying Reaper thing? =D |
| 04:39.20 | Qbz | do you think that would be the best way to go about it? |
| 04:39.34 | Qbz | replace it with a flying version of the unit breifly? |
| 04:40.22 | JademusSreg | The flying reaper isn't anywhere near an optimal solution, but it's what you asked for, and I don't have time to devote to a step-by-step instruction on making a 3D platformer. |
| 04:40.54 | Qbz | lol sure then |
| 04:42.19 | JademusSreg | Or I can just make it jump to an arbitrary point. Or a point relative to the unit. And even kill it if it's in an "invalid" area. |
| 04:43.42 | JademusSreg | Assuming you just want the ability to morph to a flying reaper, we'll start there. |
| 04:43.52 | Qbz | uhh alright |
| 04:44.47 | JademusSreg | First one checks the Reaper entry in the unit data. Double click on it, and a Unit Properties dialog will appear. |
| 04:45.35 | Qbz | ok. i see unit properties |
| 04:46.03 | JademusSreg | Your Dependencies will determine what the Parent is displaying here. |
| 04:46.44 | JademusSreg | If you don't have Swarm dependencies, it should be Default Settings (Unit) |
| 04:46.50 | JademusSreg | Or some such. |
| 04:47.06 | JademusSreg | If you do have Swarm, it will unhelpfully list the parent as Reaper. |
| 04:48.51 | Qbz | Its set to reaper and greyed out |
| 04:48.58 | JademusSreg | So Add Unit, give it the name Reaper, give it the ID ReaperFlying, check Show Non-Default, for Parent select Reaper, in Editor Suffix type (Flying). |
| 04:50.30 | Qbz | ok |
| 04:52.00 | JademusSreg | Go to Model data, Add Model, name Reaper Flying, click Suggest, Model Type Generic, Show Non-Default here too, select Reaper. |
| 04:53.54 | JademusSreg | Go to Actor data, Add Actor, name Reaper Flying, click Suggest, Actor Type Missile, Show Non-Default, select Reaper, Doodad Type set as Not Doodad. |
| 04:54.45 | Qbz | ok |
| 04:54.51 | JademusSreg | In the Token labeled Unit Name, set it to Reaper (Flying). |
| 04:55.53 | Qbz | in like the token value box> |
| 04:55.55 | Qbz | ? |
| 04:56.02 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 04:56.06 | Qbz | ok |
| 04:57.02 | JademusSreg | Though here it may be advantageous to depart from the routine, and change the parent, since parenting from Reaper breaks the token references. |
| 04:57.36 | Qbz | how does one do that? |
| 04:57.53 | JademusSreg | Double click the Reaper Flying actor entry, and change parent to GenericUnitBase. |
| 04:58.51 | Qbz | ok |
| 04:59.59 | JademusSreg | Now we'll do something fun. |
| 05:00.07 | JademusSreg | Ctrl 3 to switch to XML view. |
| 05:00.15 | Qbz | ok |
| 05:01.00 | JademusSreg | Notice the XML elements that look like <On index="0" and such. |
| 05:01.26 | Qbz | mhm |
| 05:01.49 | JademusSreg | For the index values from 0 to 5 inclusive, highlight them and delete them. |
| 05:02.28 | JademusSreg | Also delete <On Terms="UnitBirth.ReaperPlacement" Send="Create"/> |
| 05:03.01 | Qbz | mmmk |
| 05:04.10 | JademusSreg | That covers the fun XML modification. Click on the Reaper Flying entry again and use either the command Data > Commit XML Changes or use the command key Ctrl Shift X. Then Ctrl 1 to return to Table View. |
| 05:04.26 | JademusSreg | One would hope you use Table View, since Detailed View is slow and atrocious. |
| 05:05.18 | JademusSreg | Now we'll reset some fields in a less volatile way. |
| 05:05.57 | Qbz | alright |
| 05:08.31 | JademusSreg | For each of the fields, Event Footprint+ Group Sounds+ Model Model(Build) Model(Placement) select it, right click, Reset to Parent Value > GenericUnitBase. |
| 05:09.15 | Qbz | under... the actor thing? |
| 05:09.26 | JademusSreg | Those are actor fields. |
| 05:10.51 | Qbz | I dont have event footprint + |
| 05:10.58 | Qbz | i have Event footprint model |
| 05:11.02 | Qbz | event footprint name |
| 05:11.06 | Qbz | and event footprint actor |
| 05:12.53 | JademusSreg | Go to the View menu, and set it so the only two options with a check to enable them are Table View and Combine Structure values, and disable any other options. |
| 05:12.53 | Qbz | oh |
| 05:13.09 | Qbz | alright let me reset those |
| 05:14.06 | Qbz | ok |
| 05:16.04 | JademusSreg | Go to Abilities. Add Ability. Name Rocketeer. Suggest ID. Ability Type Morph. Parent Default Ability. |
| 05:17.01 | Qbz | default ability cabil |
| 05:17.07 | Qbz | or default ability cabil morph |
| 05:17.11 | Qbz | im guesing morph? |
| 05:17.59 | JademusSreg | Either way. Then go to Info+ field, right click in the empty listbox, Add, select Reaper (Flying). |
| 05:18.38 | JademusSreg | Add another for plain ol' Reaper, since one will want to use the same ability for both, as morph units have ability limits. |
| 05:19.13 | JademusSreg | Or oops. |
| 05:19.16 | Qbz | my choices when i right click are... |
| 05:19.43 | Qbz | Modify Value, apply value to children, Then like expand/collaspe field |
| 05:20.34 | JademusSreg | Instead, we'll just do the first, and make a separate morph for the Reaper, haha. Rather like a Burrow ability. |
| 05:20.59 | JademusSreg | Gotta double click on the Info field to bring up a modal dialogue. |
| 05:22.16 | Qbz | ok |
| 05:22.31 | Qbz | so now make a new ability similar to how i made the first one? |
| 05:22.50 | JademusSreg | Then Flags+, enable Ignore Food and Ignore Unit Cost. |
| 05:23.11 | JademusSreg | And yeah, you'll want to make one that mirrors this one. |
| 05:23.18 | Qbz | ok |
| 05:23.25 | Qbz | can i just duplicate it and rename it? |
| 05:23.28 | JademusSreg | Disable Wait Until Stopped flag, as well. |
| 05:23.29 | Qbz | and change the info to reaper? |
| 05:24.02 | JademusSreg | Duplication is the single worst feature on the editor. |
| 05:24.35 | JademusSreg | It deals terrible, terrible damage to the will to learn how shit works. |
| 05:24.41 | Qbz | lol ok |
| 05:24.46 | Qbz | ill redo it myself |
| 05:24.59 | JademusSreg | Copy is fine, though. |
| 05:25.17 | JademusSreg | The third option when one is adding a new entry. |
| 05:25.38 | JademusSreg | But it also copies undesirable shit, too, so be sure to Reset those particular fields. |
| 05:26.05 | Qbz | all i have to do is info+ stuff and flags+ stuff, right? |
| 05:26.24 | JademusSreg | Still got one more thing to addess in the Info field. |
| 05:26.47 | Qbz | alright |
| 05:28.21 | JademusSreg | Following adding the unit to the Info list, double click it, set Collision Range to 0, and then configure Durations. |
| 05:29.39 | JademusSreg | Let's assume it takes half a second to transition (this is important for the visual blending). |
| 05:29.47 | Qbz | uhhh |
| 05:29.57 | Qbz | so double clicking it should open the object values window |
| 05:29.59 | Qbz | ? |
| 05:30.03 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 05:30.24 | Qbz | which duration do i modify? actor? |
| 05:31.14 | JademusSreg | Set the Duration of Actor and Mover to 0.5. |
| 05:32.19 | Qbz | for both abilities? |
| 05:32.20 | JademusSreg | And you may, at your discretion, set the Delay values for Abilities, Collision, Facing, and Stats, to 0.5, but it doesn't much concern the scope of this instruction. |
| 05:32.27 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 05:32.54 | Qbz | ok |
| 05:35.46 | JademusSreg | And if you want to be able to use these from the command card with the usual SC2 interface, you'll want to give the abilities Commands. |
| 05:36.15 | Qbz | I wouldn't. I would want it to be hidden most of the time but activate upon a button press |
| 05:36.23 | Qbz | which i think i know how to do with trgigers |
| 05:36.38 | Qbz | i mean like a key press |
| 05:36.51 | JademusSreg | Of course. |
| 05:37.20 | JademusSreg | But for testing purposes, you'll wanna configure the command execute button, unless you've already got said system ready. |
| 05:37.56 | Qbz | ok |
| 05:38.01 | Qbz | so |
| 05:38.06 | Qbz | how do i give them commands then? |
| 05:39.11 | JademusSreg | Not so much give, but rather set a button for it (it's actually entirely useless, but the command card interface throws a goddamn fit over it if it's not configured). |
| 05:39.32 | JademusSreg | Commands+ : Execute : Default Button and pick whatever button. |
| 05:41.27 | Qbz | so everything should be good to go? |
| 05:43.01 | JademusSreg | Once that's done, go to the Reaper unit data, add the Rocketeer ability, then go to the Command Card+, click the button in the bottom right, change Command Type from Passive to Ability Command, set Ability to the new ability, set the Ability Command field to the only damn option on the list. |
| 05:44.35 | JademusSreg | Then go to Reaper (Flying) unit entry, Reset Abilities+ and Command Card+ to its parent values, then set its Rocketeer ability to the alt version that makes it a Reaper again, and for the Command Card you'll just need to set the Ability and Ability Command values to point to the alt ability. |
| 05:47.22 | JademusSreg | Now would be a good time to set Height to 3 or whatever, Mover to Fly, Vision Height to 3.5, Plane Array to Air, Collide+ to Flying. |
| 05:47.55 | Qbz | uhhh |
| 05:48.09 | Qbz | only rocketeer is an option in the command card |
| 05:48.13 | Qbz | not the second morph back ability |
| 05:48.36 | JademusSreg | [01:44:34] <JademusSreg> Then go to Reaper (Flying) unit entry, Reset Abilities+ and Command Card+ to its parent values |
| 05:48.57 | Qbz | it didnt want it to be the same button or something |
| 05:49.00 | Qbz | idk it works now |
| 05:50.34 | Qbz | ok |
| 05:50.36 | Qbz | i did all that stuff |
| 05:50.45 | JademusSreg | Now back to some actor shit. |
| 05:50.57 | JademusSreg | And then it should be ready to test. |
| 05:51.41 | Qbz | ok |
| 05:55.15 | JademusSreg | In the Reaper actor events, add event AbilMorph.Rocketeer.Start, add term MorphTo Reaper (Flying), and set the event message to Destroy. |
| 05:55.44 | JademusSreg | In the Reaper Flying actor events, you'll naturally want to add the inverse. |
| 05:56.33 | Qbz | how do i open up the events menu? |
| 05:56.38 | Qbz | double clicking events+ isnt working |
| 05:56.43 | Qbz | nvm lol |
| 05:57.03 | JademusSreg | In the Reaper actor events, also add event AbilMorph.whateveryounamedtheotherrocketeer.Finish, add term MorphFrom Reaper (Flying), and set the event message to Create. And also add the inverse to the Reaper Flying actor. |
| 05:58.08 | Qbz | do i need to get rid of the action damage physics? |
| 05:58.21 | JademusSreg | Er, what? |
| 05:58.59 | Qbz | when i made the new event |
| 05:59.06 | Qbz | it has like a little movie clipboard under it |
| 05:59.14 | Qbz | that says actionDamagePhysics |
| 05:59.16 | JademusSreg | Anyway, while we could have saved more time by simply using the Reaper actor for both units, I'd like to think getting the exposure to the various mechanisms was insightful. |
| 05:59.23 | JademusSreg | And yes, that's the event message. |
| 05:59.59 | Qbz | what does the event message do? |
| 06:00.17 | JademusSreg | It's the message sent when the event fires. |
| 06:02.25 | Qbz | does it matter? |
| 06:02.49 | JademusSreg | (If this breaks or otherwise throws errors, feel free to delete all the actor and model data I instructed you to add, and add to the Reaper the actor event UnitBirth.ReaperFlying > Create.) |
| 06:02.56 | JademusSreg | And yeah, it matters. |
| 06:03.21 | JademusSreg | It's what actually does shit; actors basically have their own asynchronous triggers. |
| 06:03.30 | Qbz | so what do i have to change it to, from actiondamagephysics |
| 06:03.32 | JademusSreg | An event, terms, and a message. |
| 06:03.45 | JademusSreg | [01:55:15] <JademusSreg> In the Reaper actor events, add event AbilMorph.Rocketeer.Start, add term MorphTo Reaper (Flying), and set the event message to Destroy. |
| 06:04.04 | JademusSreg | The event message defaults to ActionDamagePhysics, and you should there set it to Destroy. |
| 06:04.20 | JademusSreg | Anyway, that covers everything. bbl |
| 06:05.05 | Qbz | ok |
| 06:05.06 | Qbz | thanks |
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| 11:11.24 | Ahli | ohhh, morphs can kill units now... |
| 11:11.36 | Ahli | the unit that morphs |
| 11:11.44 | Ahli | kills itself with morphing to another unit |
| 11:13.01 | Ahli | need to verify that in a test map >_> |
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| 11:18.52 | Ahli | hmm the unit survives in a testmap :X |
| 11:29.06 | Ahli | ok, the problem seems that a morph ability doesn't throw the approach stage anymore... seems like a unit can skip that stage... |
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| 12:22.07 | Ahli | how the hell can be the event player of "any unit dies" be -1? |
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| 12:25.20 | Ahli | "Unknown Unit" owned by "-1"... nice... how the hell did that happen |
| 12:31.43 | duckies | sounds like something that would be caused by ..death of uncreated unit? .. But it makes no sense!! >.< |
| 12:32.52 | duckies | or maybe a death of unit with expired death timer? |
| 12:33.22 | duckies | what wizzardy are you doing ahli? :D |
| 12:33.52 | Ahli | fixing what Luzzotica created/broke and what the 2.0.10 broke |
| 12:34.53 | Ahli | ok, at least I know the spell that creates it and the unit that should cause it |
| 12:37.03 | duckies | please shed some light on what caused it after you fix the error. |
| 12:37.25 | Ahli | it's using suicide remove... I modded the effect's flags to suppress more actions |
| 12:41.16 | Ahli | default suicide remove causes that too for that unit... |
| 12:48.18 | duckies | oh, makes sense, ty |
| 12:48.57 | duckies | or not, you mean default suicide remove effect causes that, or overlapping of thoe effects? |
| 12:49.46 | Dogmai | Fucken front page of every gaming website. |
| 12:53.32 | Ahli | suicide remove effect starts a "unit dies" event with invalid unit and player |
| 12:59.59 | Ahli | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/9661806367#1 here |
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| 13:24.26 | MoonEater | hols! |
| 13:24.29 | MoonEater | hola |
| 13:24.34 | Almaity | Ello |
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| 13:28.59 | Ababmer | W-w- WHAT ARE YOU DOING |
| 13:29.02 | Ababmer | KILLING MONSTERSSS |
| 13:29.17 | Ababmer | WITCHER... 3.... |
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| 13:52.03 | Ababmer | Hello, i'm attempting to change a duplicated unit's sounds to something more fitting and its coming up with 'These changes would cause multiple values to have the same position.' I was wondering if anyone knew anything about this process |
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| 13:55.23 | Dustin|Work | Gooooood morning |
| 13:55.41 | Ababmer | morning dustin browder |
| 13:55.49 | Ababmer | hows legacy of the void |
| 14:01.00 | Dustin|Work | That joke is sooo 2 years ago |
| 14:01.22 | Dustin|Work | except it was How's HOTS? |
| 14:01.35 | duckies | it's terrible, storyline is still cringe-inducing, arcade remains stale and ppl bitch about everything as they always had <----- me from the future |
| 14:01.51 | Dustin|Work | Sounds about right :P |
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| 14:24.10 | Ahli | yay, the map randomly crashed sc2 |
| 14:26.03 | Twodie | yay |
| 14:28.55 | Dustin|Work | Stop crashing things Ahli |
| 14:29.54 | Ahli | I don't know what I did... I was watching my hero AIs battling a 5vs5 |
| 14:31.32 | Dustin|Work | lol nice, what map |
| 14:33.08 | Ahli | temple siege 2 |
| 14:35.02 | Dustin|Work | Ah! |
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| 14:42.41 | Twodie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymjt9xuN3JA |
| 14:53.08 | Ahli | sick when that is going to work out without big flaws |
| 14:55.47 | Twodie | "It's all fun and games until you get your dick ripped off. " |
| 14:56.37 | Almaity | Oh hi Twodie. Srry for never answering that PM >.> |
| 14:56.54 | Twodie | <.< what pm? |
| 14:57.31 | Almaity | asked you about retextures a while ago, you answered and then I forgot to answer :p Oh well, looks like it doesnt matter in the end anyway :p |
| 14:57.57 | Twodie | Well it really doesnt :] |
| 14:58.43 | Twodie | Ahli so how was is Wall model of sekeleton, hellish one have been recieved or still required? |
| 14:59.06 | Twodie | Could find time and interest in making that happen last 2-3 months |
| 14:59.35 | Twodie | *Couldnt |
| 15:01.30 | Ahli | still required |
| 15:01.54 | Ahli | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4479839/hellWallAhliPainting.zip |
| 15:05.39 | Dogmai | did I ever tell you Dustin|Work |
| 15:05.53 | Dogmai | That we were in a game with blizzard devs, and I thought you were meant to be with us |
| 15:05.58 | Ahli | it crashed again :X |
| 15:05.58 | Dogmai | And I kept saying wheres dustin |
| 15:06.07 | Dogmai | and im pretty sure it came across as browder |
| 15:06.13 | Dogmai | but i was takling about you |
| 15:09.45 | Dustin|Work | Haha that's awesome |
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| 15:19.57 | Ahli | crashed again :X |
| 15:20.12 | Almaity | yay! |
| 15:20.23 | Almaity | fuck crashes >.> |
| 15:20.32 | Almaity | I keep getting em in the cutscene editor |
| 15:26.15 | MoonEater | ya me 2 |
| 15:27.42 | Dogmai | Why can't I sing like Paul Simon ... |
| 15:27.58 | MoonEater | wow... |
| 15:28.15 | MoonEater | why cant i write music like elton john |
| 15:28.21 | MoonEater | sir elton john |
| 15:28.26 | MoonEater | he is a knight |
| 15:28.30 | MoonEater | of gayness |
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| 15:44.17 | Dogmai | I like elton john |
| 15:44.22 | Dogmai | I think he throws some tantrums |
| 15:44.23 | MoonEater | he is sexy |
| 15:44.26 | Dogmai | But I like him nevertheless |
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| 15:52.10 | mille25 | hey |
| 15:55.59 | Dogmai | yes |
| 15:57.52 | Dustin|Work | Mille, sup |
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| 16:15.59 | Dogmai | No meow? |
| 16:16.16 | Dogmai | hallelujah |
| 16:17.57 | nooblark | does the while loop really check if true before it executes every single line in it? :O |
| 16:18.41 | nooblark | i thought it executed the block then checked |
| 16:19.30 | A1win | while loops checks the condition *before* every iteration of the loop |
| 16:19.34 | A1win | not during the loop |
| 16:19.37 | Dustin|Work | As far as I'm aware a proper while loop will check it's conditions, run all code, then check and repeat till it can break out |
| 16:19.39 | nooblark | lies! |
| 16:19.48 | nooblark | my shit was breaking |
| 16:19.50 | nooblark | i had |
| 16:20.01 | nooblark | while var < something |
| 16:20.01 | Dustin|Work | Then blizzard coded their while looping wrong :P |
| 16:20.10 | nooblark | this isn't in sc |
| 16:20.16 | nooblark | it's in javascript :O |
| 16:20.22 | Dustin|Work | There's your problem |
| 16:20.23 | A1win | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/While_loop |
| 16:20.25 | Dustin|Work | fucking javascript :P |
| 16:20.28 | nooblark | LOL |
| 16:20.39 | nooblark | for real though, is js just different than other lang? |
| 16:20.39 | A1win | nothing weird about while loops in javascript either |
| 16:20.45 | nooblark | this is what happened |
| 16:20.52 | nooblark | i had: while var < something |
| 16:20.56 | nooblark | some stuff |
| 16:20.57 | Dustin|Work | I wouldn't put it past them to do shit like that ass backwards |
| 16:21.00 | Helral | meows |
| 16:21.08 | nooblark | var += some value |
| 16:21.11 | nooblark | do something |
| 16:21.17 | nooblark | repeat loop |
| 16:21.29 | nooblark | and every single time it hit the var += some value, it stopped. |
| 16:21.44 | nooblark | i switched the do something and var += some value, and it works perfectly |
| 16:22.13 | A1win | well, the while loop condition is not the reason for that, it's most likely something else that you've overlooked |
| 16:22.20 | Helral | you sure it wasn't a typing error somewhere? |
| 16:22.41 | nooblark | .. |
| 16:22.43 | nooblark | i literally |
| 16:22.46 | Dustin|Work | copy paste that shit |
| 16:22.46 | nooblark | switched |
| 16:22.48 | nooblark | two lines |
| 16:22.59 | nooblark | line 503 and 504, got swapped. |
| 16:23.00 | Helral | like an invalid bit of javascript. since javascript only stops once it hits the line. so your += must be the problem. |
| 16:23.16 | Helral | perhaps javascript doesn't support the shorthand +=. |
| 16:23.19 | nooblark | gold(me.getStat(14), 1); |
| 16:23.19 | nooblark | goldDropped += me.getStat(14); |
| 16:23.40 | nooblark | proir to changing it, it was: |
| 16:23.51 | nooblark | goldDropped += me.getStat(14); |
| 16:23.52 | nooblark | gold(me.getStat(14), 1); |
| 16:24.19 | Helral | have you tried the long written version of +=? |
| 16:24.30 | A1win | javascript supports += operator |
| 16:24.34 | nooblark | ... |
| 16:24.40 | nooblark | can you guys hear me? |
| 16:24.42 | A1win | no |
| 16:24.43 | Helral | haven't used js in years. and js is browser dependant. |
| 16:24.47 | Eimtr | where can i link effect and behavior? |
| 16:24.53 | A1win | but your problem is not the while loop condition, it must be something else |
| 16:24.59 | nooblark | yeah okay |
| 16:25.02 | nooblark | makes perfect sense |
| 16:25.04 | A1win | like one of those functions you're calling |
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| 16:39.19 | Helral | hey Dogmai |
| 16:39.54 | Dogmai | yea |
| 16:40.20 | Helral | meow :P |
| 16:41.07 | Helral | you said you missed my meowing didn't you? :P |
| 16:41.57 | Dogmai | oh god damnit |
| 16:41.58 | Dogmai | shoo |
| 16:42.15 | Dogmai | Do you wear a tail and cat ears? |
| 16:42.30 | Helral | for me to know, for you to guess. |
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| 16:51.32 | Dogmai | worst thing is |
| 16:51.35 | Dogmai | i have an ulcer |
| 16:51.47 | Dogmai | and i have to do another 20 pages of podcasts tonight |
| 16:51.49 | Dogmai | so much pain |
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| 17:01.49 | Ahli | https://twitter.com/EGStephanoRC/status/368048805939142657 |
| 17:04.03 | JademusSreg | Zooop. |
| 17:04.44 | JademusSreg | Pardon, missed your messages, Eimtr, as I've been exceeedingly busy. |
| 17:05.05 | Vailreth | hello |
| 17:05.10 | Dustin|Work | hi |
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| 17:06.49 | JademusSreg | May have a premise that won't bore me. Hm. |
| 17:09.25 | JademusSreg | considers how best to summarize it. |
| 17:12.26 | JademusSreg | Monday Night Combat with a hint of Photon Cycles and a side of lean Super Smash Bros. |
| 17:16.10 | Dustin|Work | That's what Im talking about Jade! |
| 17:18.43 | Dogmai | Esteemed Arcade Developers, |
| 17:18.45 | Dogmai | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.47 | Dogmai | We are always looking at how to improve our systems and we have some long-term goals with the StarCraft II Arcade that we want your feedback on. |
| 17:18.48 | Dogmai | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.50 | Dogmai | I’d like you guys to respond to the following question: What features does Arcade and Battle.net need to turn your game from a StarCraft 2 custom map into a complete end-to-end game experience for your players. With each feature that you list, please also provide a priority and an example of how you would use this function, even if it seems obvious. |
| 17:18.51 | Dogmai | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.53 | Dogmai | Example Response: |
| 17:18.55 | Dogmai | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.56 | Dogmai | Feature: Ability to host games locally |
| 17:18.58 | Dogmai | Priority: 1 |
| 17:18.59 | Dogmai | Use: Having the ability to host a game offline would remove input latency and allow me to create different genres such as platformers and racers. |
| 17:19.01 | Dogmai | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.02 | Dogmai | Feature: Server-side storage of player data |
| 17:19.04 | Dogmai | Priority: 2 |
| 17:19.05 | Dogmai | Use: Storing these files on battle.net would increase the security of the information and allow for better progression systems. |
| 17:19.07 | Dogmai | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.08 | Dogmai | We are still in the planning stage and nothing is set in stone, but we’d like to make sure that whatever features we do add, they are at the top of our Arcade developer’s wish list. |
| 17:19.10 | Dogmai | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.11 | Dogmai | Please let me know if you have any questions and feel free to pass this along to others who you feel have valuable feedback. Thank you! |
| 17:19.26 | Ahli | what the heck is that? |
| 17:19.37 | Dogmai | Email from blizzard sent out to all featured maps |
| 17:19.50 | Dogmai | I know cause my battle net email is not the one I use to communicate with them |
| 17:19.56 | Dogmai | battlenet email is just for battlenet |
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| 17:21.19 | JademusSreg | Forward it to me, if you're inclined. |
| 17:21.28 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 17:21.28 | Dogmai | go make your own friends |
| 17:22.05 | Ahli | great that they reach out to some people to get some opinions |
| 17:23.03 | Ahli | directly starting locally running games (like you can just do in "custom games"), would be great |
| 17:23.23 | Ahli | that definetly benefits everyone that creates singleplayer maps dependent on user input |
| 17:23.36 | JademusSreg | Why make friends when I can make mutually exploitative utility-based relationships? Or is that what friends are? |
| 17:24.54 | Ahli | linking maps => campaigns (also easier for SCU to do multiple areas) |
| 17:25.15 | Ahli | bank requirements for map entering (-> maps for people with higher leveled heroes in their bank) |
| 17:25.21 | Ahli | *lobby entering |
| 17:25.23 | Dogmai | That sums up nearly every friendship I had with girls, save a couple of really awesome chicks. |
| 17:25.28 | Dogmai | FYI, I was the one being used. |
| 17:25.30 | Dogmai | -_- |
| 17:26.06 | Almaity | Hey Jademus |
| 17:26.18 | Almaity | Had any time to work on the textures, or did your bosses keep you busy? |
| 17:26.30 | mille25 | hosting games locally is definatly a cool feature, but it doesnt really resolve the problem. Most maps are multiplayer and singleplayer maps are rare. What we need is some sort of asynch triggers which can just execute actions which can't bring the game to an asynch state. |
| 17:26.56 | mille25 | For example camera, actor, ui control. |
| 17:27.01 | Eimtr | does any1 know, can you change behavior icon via trigger? |
| 17:27.25 | Eimtr | while it shows under a unit |
| 17:27.37 | mille25 | dont think so |
| 17:27.41 | mille25 | its not upgradable |
| 17:27.49 | mille25 | so its probably not modifyable via catalogs. |
| 17:27.53 | Ahli | open games list could start to make use of the image memory that a human being has. => show icons in tooltips (like custom games list) or add an option for a view just like browse |
| 17:28.18 | Eimtr | hmm ok thx i will use a dialog then |
| 17:30.18 | Dogmai | ahli |
| 17:30.20 | Dogmai | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/56568-msg-from-blizzard/ |
| 17:30.22 | Dogmai | go spam that |
| 17:31.17 | pirate|scooner | see, they are moving towards the marketplace |
| 17:32.21 | Dogmai | Go ask Ryan, he is privy to more information than anyone else. |
| 17:32.46 | pirate|scooner | this is pretty clear proof to me |
| 17:32.51 | Dogmai | I have an inclination that we might see the marketplace more like perk orientated if it is implemented |
| 17:32.59 | Dogmai | All games must be free, but can pay for perks |
| 17:33.08 | Dogmai | That won't affect gameplay |
| 17:33.09 | pirate|scooner | the've been gearing up towards this for the last few months |
| 17:33.55 | pirate|scooner | Ryan will charge 99c for SCU: Unleashed if he can |
| 17:34.33 | Dogmai | I should tax Ryan 98c of that |
| 17:37.49 | mille25 | Ahli: Yeah linking maps would be awesome. |
| 17:39.12 | Ahli | indeed, people asked for a way to do campaigns online many times |
| 17:40.07 | pirate|scooner | http://i.imgur.com/5KDPgXZ.png |
| 17:41.42 | Dogmai | I went to the travel agent last week |
| 17:41.47 | Dogmai | 3 grand to fly me to LA |
| 17:41.52 | Dogmai | including insurance |
| 17:42.11 | Dogmai | don't have a blizzcon ticket though |
| 17:42.30 | Dogmai | tried to get one, but no dice |
| 17:42.39 | Dogmai | scalpers scalpers scalpers |
| 17:42.42 | Dogmai | or in d3 terms |
| 17:42.47 | Dogmai | flippers flippers flippers |
| 17:42.50 | Dogmai | this is real life |
| 17:42.54 | Dogmai | this isnt diablo auction house |
| 17:46.10 | pirate|scooner | hm |
| 17:46.11 | pirate|scooner | ideally |
| 17:47.02 | pirate|scooner | I would like an announcement of a marketplace within the next four months |
| 17:47.12 | pirate|scooner | and then have it launch in like 6 to 10 |
| 17:47.13 | mille25 | Hmm... is there even anything interresting coming up for this BlizzCon? Before Titan was delayed I was hoping for something about that, but now? Probably Blizzard Allstars or smth... |
| 17:47.32 | Dogmai | I just want to meet people |
| 17:47.39 | pirate|scooner | Allstars is likely, possible d3 expansion, and marketplace IMO |
| 17:47.42 | Dogmai | Its like I wish that I knew browder was going to melbourne for hots launch |
| 17:47.48 | Dogmai | I didn't find out until like 2 days before |
| 17:47.53 | mille25 | pirate|scooner: If Blizzard talks about "long term goals" that means REALLY long term :D |
| 17:47.54 | Dogmai | I would have flown over just for that night to meet him |
| 17:48.22 | mille25 | Marketplace will most likely not be out before LotV |
| 17:48.23 | Dogmai | cause like the $250 it would cost return would be worth it you kno |
| 17:48.26 | Dogmai | know |
| 17:48.46 | mille25 | I like Browder, he seems to be very passionate about the game. |
| 17:48.56 | Dogmai | I like Browder |
| 17:48.58 | Dogmai | I like Wilson too |
| 17:49.01 | mille25 | But then, he might also just be a good talker ;) |
| 17:49.02 | Dogmai | He gets too much bad rep |
| 17:49.09 | pirate|scooner | oh and dont forget hearthstone |
| 17:50.12 | mille25 | Hearthstone might be a cool game, but it absolutly doesnt interrest me at all. |
| 17:50.24 | JademusSreg | (Almaity, yes, though progress is slow; the past few days have been dreadfully busy. Will show the work once the first iteration is done.) |
| 17:51.00 | pirate|scooner | yeah same mille |
| 17:56.31 | Ahli | spamming done |
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| 18:17.18 | Zandose | hello all. is there a simple way to get a random number but only from the numbers 1 2 4 5 7 8 10 |
| 18:19.21 | pirate|scooner | I feel like there's a better way to accomplish what you need without that |
| 18:19.32 | Zandose | im all ears |
| 18:19.33 | A1win | add player 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10 to a player group, pick random player from that player group |
| 18:20.07 | Zandose | that sounds wired |
| 18:20.26 | A1win | it's as simple as it gets |
| 18:20.39 | pirate|scooner | constant array of integers, 'num[0]' to 'num[7]' |
| 18:20.40 | A1win | you could also use an array, but that isn't any different |
| 18:20.46 | Zandose | and theirs no problems doing it that way? |
| 18:20.56 | A1win | why would there be? |
| 18:21.03 | Zandose | idk |
| 18:21.27 | pirate|scooner | num[randomI from 1 - 7] |
| 18:21.41 | pirate|scooner | slightly less weird than player group |
| 18:21.43 | pirate|scooner | IMO |
| 18:21.53 | A1win | just a different kind of data structure |
| 18:22.07 | Zandose | k |
| 18:22.10 | nooblark | i used to do randoms in a while loop |
| 18:22.14 | A1win | also why would you reserver 8 array indexes for 7 elements <.< |
| 18:22.23 | A1win | *reserve |
| 18:22.47 | nooblark | while (randNum == 6 || 9) |
| 18:22.55 | nooblark | randNum = randomnumber(1-10) |
| 18:23.11 | A1win | x__X |
| 18:23.21 | nooblark | could be problematic with a large exlusion |
| 18:23.45 | pirate|scooner | A1 shhhhh... I estimated the number of numbers |
| 18:24.29 | Dogmai | there are numerous ways to do this |
| 18:24.32 | Dogmai | what are you using it for |
| 18:24.35 | Dogmai | Zandose: |
| 18:26.13 | A1win | if you want weird, you could do string = 0134679; random player = 1 + string to num (substring(rand(0,6),1)) |
| 18:26.34 | A1win | ;> |
| 18:27.43 | A1win | this would be a lot easier if we had a way to initialize arrays by giving a list of elements |
| 18:28.09 | A1win | like player list = { 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10 } random player = rand(0, player list length) |
| 18:28.14 | Zandose | to select a model variation to use excluding some of them |
| 18:28.16 | A1win | err |
| 18:28.25 | A1win | player list[rand(0, player list length)] |
| 18:28.33 | pirate|scooner | yeah, see, you could just put the variations you dont want at the end |
| 18:36.17 | MoonEater | damn im trying to make a ranking system |
| 18:36.33 | MoonEater | but i dont know what kind of system i should do :( |
| 18:41.14 | Eimtr | does any1 know, can i hide the Dialog Item borders? |
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| 18:44.30 | Helral | Eimtr: you can hide the background |
| 18:44.46 | Helral | that includes the borders |
| 18:50.18 | Ahli | http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1kflvw/climbing_the_ladder_w_guest_david_kim_blizzard_sr/ |
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| 18:52.26 | MoonEater | Ahli ty |
| 18:52.31 | MoonEater | ive read some of this |
| 18:52.48 | MoonEater | but i want to implement a modified system for custom maps |
| 18:52.54 | ObsceneCereal | Everyone dont forget to post your ideas and thoughts http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/56568-msg-from-blizzard/#p5 |
| 18:52.57 | ObsceneCereal | hey mooneater |
| 18:52.57 | MoonEater | the issue is we cant match make players |
| 18:54.40 | MoonEater | ya |
| 18:54.49 | MoonEater | well match making is nice but only for popular maps |
| 18:55.03 | MoonEater | maps like mine that are not popular cant be match maked |
| 18:55.58 | ObsceneCereal | Dont feel bad mooneater mine isnt popular either :( |
| 18:56.52 | MoonEater | well i have very very high reviews and 30 of them |
| 18:56.58 | MoonEater | and its still not gaining traction |
| 18:57.02 | MoonEater | i think the name sucks |
| 18:57.22 | MoonEater | but let me post there and it will make more sence |
| 18:57.58 | ObsceneCereal | Hey your in the same boat as me almost exactly :P |
| 18:58.07 | ObsceneCereal | i have 27 high reviews :)) |
| 18:58.14 | ObsceneCereal | 1 hateful review from the competition |
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| 19:14.21 | MoonEater | ObsceneCereal |
| 19:14.26 | ObsceneCereal | ? |
| 19:14.26 | MoonEater | i posted.... |
| 19:14.29 | MoonEater | i like my ending |
| 19:21.14 | ObsceneCereal | yeah, pretty cool ideas, I am pretty bored so I changed the format a bit, if you want to copy/paste it and edit it, its up to you, more professional looking postings get more attention. http://pastebin.com/0fA5wa9g |
| 19:22.08 | ObsceneCereal | http://i.imgur.com/1V8WKNf.png |
| 19:22.15 | ObsceneCereal | thats what it will look like if you do |
| 19:23.21 | ObsceneCereal | I'm in a professional mood today :P |
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| 19:26.04 | ObsceneCereal | hey zerg whats up |
| 19:30.40 | DeadZergling | not too much, just very busy |
| 19:32.25 | Vailreth | hello folks |
| 19:34.53 | ObsceneCereal | hey vail |
| 19:36.40 | Vailreth | if you link i would be willing to tackle some data editing again for your project, it my help jumpstart my brain on my own. |
| 19:36.57 | Vailreth | like not link* |
| 19:37.20 | Vailreth | just shoot me the details over skype if you like |
| 19:39.54 | ObsceneCereal | ok |
| 19:43.10 | Vailreth | in the mean time i am still tinkering on my vaguely herois map idea and my invasion project.. |
| 19:43.28 | ObsceneCereal | lol |
| 19:43.52 | ObsceneCereal | Ah cool, I still gotta find a graphic designer to make the dialog items for me., |
| 19:43.53 | ObsceneCereal | lol |
| 19:44.02 | ObsceneCereal | I just need the pictures lawl |
| 19:46.24 | ObsceneCereal | if your good at graphic design feel free to make those dialog boxes borders look better, or if you can do it with stock sc2 stuff then feel free to give it a whirl' :) |
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| 19:47.43 | ObsceneCereal | Well AFK, playing Last of us |
| 19:52.35 | Dogmai | finally finished all the podcasts ive written so far |
| 19:52.39 | Dogmai | like 70 pages -_- |
| 19:52.42 | Dogmai | my voice ... |
| 19:53.59 | ObsceneCereal | lol |
| 19:54.31 | Dogmai | 45 podcasts |
| 19:54.51 | Dogmai | and i haven't even mentioned half of what i wanted to |
| 19:54.57 | Dogmai | but got the most important stuff out of the way first |
| 19:55.11 | ObsceneCereal | lol |
| 19:55.15 | ObsceneCereal | what was the podcast about? |
| 19:56.48 | Dogmai | d3 |
| 19:57.18 | ObsceneCereal | ewwww |
| 19:57.19 | ObsceneCereal | lol |
| 19:57.45 | Dogmai | diablo was my life growing up |
| 19:57.47 | Dogmai | go away |
| 19:57.51 | ObsceneCereal | lol |
| 19:57.58 | ObsceneCereal | I will admit that D1 was amazing |
| 19:58.06 | ObsceneCereal | D2 i hated, D3 i thought was pretty good |
| 19:58.17 | Dogmai | ugh |
| 19:58.23 | Ahli | D1 made me learn a few English words before having it in school :D |
| 19:58.26 | Dogmai | trollzor? |
| 19:58.41 | ObsceneCereal | no not really, I just didnt care for Diablo 2 level design |
| 19:58.43 | Ahli | barrel, door, I can't carry anymore >_> |
| 19:58.43 | Dogmai | i would have excpected it was the other way around with you |
| 19:58.54 | Dogmai | stay a while and listen o_O |
| 19:58.58 | Dogmai | i love d2 |
| 19:59.02 | ObsceneCereal | I loved the idea of descending into hell in Diablo 1, and how there were just HORDES of enemies |
| 19:59.07 | A1win | I didn't like D2 either, D3 was awesome until it wasn't |
| 19:59.12 | Dogmai | im gonna go to bed |
| 19:59.24 | Dogmai | nighty night |
| 19:59.29 | ObsceneCereal | snight aussie |
| 19:59.30 | Ahli | http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1kflvw/climbing_the_ladder_w_guest_david_kim_blizzard_sr/ but :o |
| 19:59.38 | Dogmai | still no emails, so sad, heart breaking |
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| 20:00.28 | Dogmai | meh |
| 20:00.32 | Dogmai | im not staying up for that |
| 20:00.58 | Ahli | ^^ |
| 20:01.22 | ObsceneCereal | Ill be awake but its not worth my time |
| 20:01.29 | Ahli | my twitch chat is never loading... I think that's something good |
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| 20:41.27 | Frinckles | yoyo |
| 20:48.23 | ObsceneCereal | hey ficklematter |
| 20:52.06 | DeadZergling | heh, I'm w/ you ObsceneCereal, D2 was horrible |
| 20:52.17 | DeadZergling | I feel bad for people who were happy with that for more than 2 weeks |
| 20:54.09 | ObsceneCereal | lol |
| 20:54.46 | Ahli | it was great with later patches... before synergies it was terrible and you started to suck at level 50-60 when you picked terrible skills ^^ |
| 20:54.52 | ArcanePariah | D2 was ok, but yes, it had some glaring flaws, the primary reason people overlooked it was that A) You could get around the flaws and B) It was a relatively new genre, so people didn't have a basis for comparison |
| 20:55.15 | ArcanePariah | Yes, the issue I had was that 1) Win at character select and B) Too many skills wreer fundamentally bad |
| 20:55.21 | ArcanePariah | Like Firebolt/Fireball |
| 20:55.28 | ArcanePariah | You would NEVER take bolt over ball |
| 20:55.35 | ArcanePariah | since ball is bolt+++ |
| 21:03.46 | DeadZergling | I just found it's replayability to be very little |
| 21:04.01 | DeadZergling | stormed through the game a few times in all the difficulties and i was good |
| 21:04.05 | ObsceneCereal | yeah same here |
| 21:04.13 | ObsceneCereal | I played it a couple times then hacked the hell outta it |
| 21:04.23 | ObsceneCereal | I had tyraels armor haha |
| 21:04.38 | DeadZergling | armor/equip are just tools to get the job done |
| 21:04.47 | DeadZergling | I've never given a shit about them for reasons beyond that |
| 21:04.59 | ObsceneCereal | I did thoroughly enjoy the cow level though. |
| 21:05.15 | ObsceneCereal | I thought the shear amount of cows mixed with the awesome loot was great |
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| 21:05.21 | Ahli | played melee assassin... wasn't able to play hell in any kind of good way because of low dps :< |
| 21:05.21 | ObsceneCereal | D3 sucked ass at this... that pony level sucked |
| 21:05.23 | DeadZergling | that one was an interesting addition |
| 21:05.41 | Ahli | but I had the most fun playing assassin in D2 because of her speed |
| 21:05.44 | DeadZergling | d1 simply felt more random, more interesting to me |
| 21:05.53 | DeadZergling | d2 was all structured and blah |
| 21:06.02 | Ahli | d3 is static and bla |
| 21:06.12 | DeadZergling | no skill trees in d1 |
| 21:06.22 | DeadZergling | just swearing at the witch for never having anything good when you want her to |
| 21:06.31 | DeadZergling | and swearing even more when she had good stuff when no gold |
| 21:06.36 | Ahli | :D |
| 21:06.40 | DeadZergling | fuck it, I'm duping |
| 21:06.45 | DeadZergling | the hell I'm missing that book |
| 21:07.22 | DeadZergling | I'm not a fan of tediousness, as you could probably tell |
| 21:07.37 | DeadZergling | shitty bad choice to start on an RPG with that going on..... |
| 21:07.59 | Ahli | so, do you like D3's spell system more? |
| 21:08.18 | DeadZergling | no idea, I was so disgusted w/ D2 that I didn't even give it a chance |
| 21:08.39 | ObsceneCereal | And not to mention Swearing at Wirt wanting to break his other leg when he screws you over |
| 21:09.17 | ObsceneCereal | Honestly I like the lore better in D1 also because not much was explained but you were fucking terrified |
| 21:09.39 | Ahli | I never read the gossip stuff in D2 :< |
| 21:09.42 | DeadZergling | I can stick w/ a company until I honestly feel they dropped the ball |
| 21:10.04 | DeadZergling | then I'm extremely wary |
| 21:10.16 | DeadZergling | no gossip required for me |
| 21:10.29 | ObsceneCereal | I liked the gossip in D1 there wasnt an over abundance of it |
| 21:10.32 | DeadZergling | 2 weeks of playing D2 was plenty for me to lack any interest in any RPGs made by blizzard ever |
| 21:10.45 | ObsceneCereal | D3 was D2 + WoW :P |
| 21:11.08 | ObsceneCereal | I liked the abilties pretty good, and the fact I wasnt totally screwed over by a stupid skill tree |
| 21:11.25 | ObsceneCereal | And I loved the first act I thought it was perfectly done, the rest were lack luster though |
| 21:12.28 | ObsceneCereal | https://www.humblebundle.com/ not bad |
| 21:12.54 | DeadZergling | d2 + wow huh, i missed nothing |
| 21:13.14 | ObsceneCereal | lawl |
| 21:13.28 | ObsceneCereal | It was a decent game for about 20 hours of gameplay |
| 21:13.31 | DeadZergling | 20 mins of seeing my little bro play wow was plenty for me to know I had 0 interest in the game |
| 21:13.42 | ObsceneCereal | After that I got bored, 20 hours of gameplay means good enough to warrent the purchase though |
| 21:14.20 | ObsceneCereal | I played wow quite a bit, but I hate raiding, So I just level up to the max level and explore a bit then quite each expansion about 1 month of game time per expansion is PLENTY for me |
| 21:15.44 | DeadZergling | raiding sucks, as if group missions weren't bad enough |
| 21:16.03 | DeadZergling | is only for people who enjoy herding cats |
| 21:16.40 | Ahli | related to wow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtvIYRrgZ04 |
| 21:16.56 | DeadZergling | granted I raid still, probably why I have such a strong distaste for it |
| 21:18.09 | DeadZergling | new raid leaders are a little sad to watch, gotta figure 6 months or less before they burn out and quit |
| 21:19.01 | ObsceneCereal | Raiding is stupid because its stupidly easy :P |
| 21:19.14 | DeadZergling | not with the people I have to raid with |
| 21:19.29 | ObsceneCereal | People you have to raid with? you just said you never played wow :/ |
| 21:19.32 | DeadZergling | they can't even reach the raid area without having a portal over |
| 21:19.41 | DeadZergling | not talking about wow you dope |
| 21:19.46 | ObsceneCereal | What you talking bout? |
| 21:19.49 | DeadZergling | is not the only mmo in town |
| 21:19.51 | DeadZergling | EQ |
| 21:19.56 | ObsceneCereal | Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 21:20.08 | ObsceneCereal | Id rather play wow |
| 21:20.15 | Ahli | I started WoW once, saw its main menu and quit again |
| 21:20.28 | Ahli | that's my wow experience ^^ |
| 21:20.34 | ObsceneCereal | I like how people are calling SCU an "MMO" |
| 21:20.35 | ObsceneCereal | lawl |
| 21:20.46 | Ahli | well, articles call it MMO, too |
| 21:20.49 | ObsceneCereal | 5 people doesnt count as an MMO |
| 21:20.51 | DeadZergling | it is a wannabe MMO |
| 21:21.00 | Necromoni | 5 person mmo |
| 21:21.02 | ObsceneCereal | its a 3rd person RPG |
| 21:21.02 | Necromoni | wut |
| 21:21.05 | Otixa_ | Technically speaking, it is an MMO ;p |
| 21:21.11 | Necromoni | massive |
| 21:21.26 | Otixa_ | Massively multiplayer |
| 21:21.31 | ObsceneCereal | Then techincally speaking so is Evo-Frenzy, EVO IS AN MMO!!!!!! |
| 21:21.41 | Otixa_ | Implying that there is a massive amount of players |
| 21:21.46 | DeadZergling | no, technically speaking |
| 21:21.53 | DeadZergling | Evo is a (CENSORED) |
| 21:22.08 | ObsceneCereal | Actually SCU even after being featured is not that popular online |
| 21:22.10 | Ahli | massive in terms of chinese or massive in terms of american? |
| 21:22.17 | ObsceneCereal | Massive in terms of mexico |
| 21:22.20 | ObsceneCereal | ? |
| 21:22.41 | Otixa_ | In terms of dicks |
| 21:22.44 | ObsceneCereal | SCU holds 5 people at a time, atm, lawl |
| 21:22.59 | Ahli | max is 15, more players more lag... also |
| 21:23.01 | ObsceneCereal | thats a cooperative RPG |
| 21:23.10 | Ahli | is bnet latency worse with 15 people? |
| 21:23.12 | ObsceneCereal | Yeah they said they haven't had good results over 5 people |
| 21:23.32 | Ahli | cool, I'm nearly doing an MMO, too |
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| 21:23.42 | DeadZergling | is another problem w/ SCU |
| 21:23.43 | ObsceneCereal | Mine holds 6 people ITS A SUPER MMO!!!! |
| 21:23.47 | DeadZergling | boring as fuck |
| 21:23.55 | ObsceneCereal | SCU is an On the rails RPG... |
| 21:23.58 | Ahli | others liked it... |
| 21:24.05 | DeadZergling | others were wrong |
| 21:24.07 | ObsceneCereal | Its nothing like wow, it just has WoWs interface |
| 21:24.13 | DeadZergling | i was reading the comments on their kickstarter |
| 21:24.21 | DeadZergling | half of them are donating based off the video alone |
| 21:24.24 | Otixa_ | Kickstarter? >> |
| 21:24.31 | ObsceneCereal | Yeah they have a kickstarter |
| 21:24.41 | DeadZergling | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/747939120/starcraft-universe |
| 21:24.42 | Otixa_ | What's with people kickstarting SC2 maps? |
| 21:24.54 | DeadZergling | pull cords weren't working? |
| 21:25.01 | ObsceneCereal | The amount they have been gaining has MASSIVLY slowed down |
| 21:25.06 | Necromoni | anyone ever made fx for cone abilities? |
| 21:25.13 | Otixa_ | BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHA |
| 21:25.20 | Necromoni | whats the best way to go about making the fx for cone abilities :o |
| 21:25.20 | Otixa_ | HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHA |
| 21:25.21 | Otixa_ | HA. |
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| 21:25.27 | ObsceneCereal | They made 12k, 12k, 3k. |
| 21:25.42 | Otixa_ | Brool Story Co. |
| 21:25.46 | ObsceneCereal | Yeah I dont expect it to go past 30k |
| 21:25.56 | ObsceneCereal | They had a lot of help and stuff that no other mappers have -_- |
| 21:26.08 | ObsceneCereal | About 5 gaming sites claimed it to be starcraft MMO -_- |
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| 21:26.17 | ObsceneCereal | and blizzard "sanctioned" |
| 21:26.20 | Ahli | it's still growing... I think they might hit it at the end |
| 21:26.34 | ObsceneCereal | it hasnt grown but like 2k all day today |
| 21:26.39 | ObsceneCereal | its slowing down |
| 21:26.40 | DeadZergling | I think all donation levels should be entitled to a complimentary bottle of lube |
| 21:26.40 | Ahli | wouldn't be terrible if they get it, though... |
| 21:26.51 | Ahli | helps bnet overall, helps sc2, helps arcade |
| 21:27.00 | DeadZergling | for the feeling they all gonna get when they see their finished product :P |
| 21:27.06 | Tomura | well depends on how many people back it thinking they get world of starcraft |
| 21:27.27 | DeadZergling | they totally think that |
| 21:27.31 | Ahli | the people just need to play the arcade map before throwing money... if they like the map, then there won't be any tears on release |
| 21:27.31 | Tomura | yup |
| 21:27.59 | Ahli | so, it's excellent that they have a fleshed out demo map |
| 21:28.10 | DeadZergling | their demo is just like any movie preview |
| 21:28.15 | DeadZergling | shows all the best parts |
| 21:28.20 | DeadZergling | no need to see the real thing |
| 21:28.21 | Ahli | well, you can play it and it has bnet latency |
| 21:28.23 | ObsceneCereal | Yeah, But they have asked WAY too much from crowdfunding |
| 21:28.47 | Ahli | also, do they just stop when its not funded? |
| 21:28.48 | DeadZergling | I played through the whole thing in like 2 hours or less |
| 21:28.56 | ObsceneCereal | They dont get anything if its not funded |
| 21:28.57 | DeadZergling | 30-40 minutes of this time was being lost in their city |
| 21:29.00 | ObsceneCereal | So what they do after is up to them |
| 21:29.26 | Ahli | anyway, in the end they can still make a campaign out of everything |
| 21:29.35 | ObsceneCereal | Yeah |
| 21:29.57 | Tomura | a singleplayer RPG might actually be worth something, when it's played locally |
| 21:30.04 | ObsceneCereal | I mean I am in now way insulting them, I think their project looks pretty cool, but its just being Misadvertised I feel. |
| 21:30.28 | Ahli | everything is misadvertized... it's the customer's fault |
| 21:30.29 | DeadZergling | they should be in the business of starcraft movie making |
| 21:30.33 | DeadZergling | give up on the rpg thing |
| 21:30.47 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zolden (d5578424@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.87.132.36) |
| 21:31.10 | Tomura | yeah that's a big problem. Also I have a big problem that it might be good for SC2 map/mod standards, but still as a game experience it's sub par, because of the limitations with sc2 |
| 21:31.30 | ObsceneCereal | That and the prizes they are giving away, are 100% against the rules of the arcade -_- |
| 21:31.37 | Zolden | hello, is this a communication chamber for mapmakermen and their mapmakermen? |
| 21:31.44 | ObsceneCereal | They are giving away ingame stuff for money :/ |
| 21:31.53 | ObsceneCereal | No it isnt ye naked russian |
| 21:31.54 | DeadZergling | right now it is the diss SCU chat center |
| 21:32.07 | ObsceneCereal | not diss SCU, Diss SCU Kickstarter |
| 21:32.19 | DeadZergling | perhaps for you |
| 21:32.24 | DeadZergling | I have plenty bad to say about both |
| 21:32.25 | ObsceneCereal | lawl |
| 21:32.27 | Ahli | you should blame Blizzard for ingame stuff. they are the ones that allow that and create disparity within the mapmaking community with that |
| 21:32.39 | ObsceneCereal | I blame both... |
| 21:32.47 | ObsceneCereal | but oh well its not that big of a deal |
| 21:33.05 | ObsceneCereal | If someone offers me something that gives me an unfair advantage its just as much my fault. |
| 21:33.10 | Ahli | and I actually think the community might break apart when a marketplace arrives |
| 21:33.17 | ObsceneCereal | :P |
| 21:33.17 | Zolden | about scu ks i'm curious what is their factor of success? mineralz have higher popularity on server, but scu has higher kickstart - how to explain it? |
| 21:33.23 | ObsceneCereal | I have been saying that since day 1 ahli |
| 21:33.24 | DeadZergling | when money becomes involved |
| 21:33.25 | Tomura | it's one of your fist step designing a game. Chosing the right platform ... then again I'm making a TPS for starcraft, just because .... |
| 21:33.31 | DeadZergling | what sc2mapster is will change drastically |
| 21:34.02 | Ahli | yeah, SCU can only be done IN SC2 |
| 21:34.07 | ObsceneCereal | I have given blizzard directly instructions on how to create a proper map marketplace. |
| 21:34.09 | Ahli | not in any other game |
| 21:34.11 | Ahli | or engine |
| 21:34.21 | Ahli | unless Blizzard makes that themselves |
| 21:34.23 | ObsceneCereal | Without splitting the community and with gaining much more support |
| 21:34.50 | Tomura | yeah that's the problem, but their story could also just be random, gritty space RPG, since it's a alternate reality thing |
| 21:34.52 | ObsceneCereal | They need to make the Arcade its own platform first... and make it free 2 play, then sell the best of the best maps |
| 21:34.53 | DeadZergling | you've also explained to blizz how marines are OP and need to be deleted |
| 21:34.58 | Tomura | it just contains sc2 locations |
| 21:35.05 | ObsceneCereal | that wasnt for blizzard, that was for my own lols |
| 21:35.11 | DeadZergling | I'm not sure they take you so seriously :P |
| 21:35.12 | ObsceneCereal | To watch other players get angry |
| 21:35.14 | Ahli | instructions don't help. you need to present reasons why x and y is bad and why z would be better... and then you still need to present both sides, so you can actually discuss it and come to a conclusion |
| 21:35.31 | ObsceneCereal | I did present all that :P I presented all this is about a 2 page write up |
| 21:35.41 | Zolden | lol |
| 21:35.56 | Zolden | DeadZergling: sometimes you make jokes i like |
| 21:36.00 | ObsceneCereal | I gave detailed reasons why everything would work :) |
| 21:36.13 | ObsceneCereal | I also gave them an alternative. |
| 21:36.17 | Ahli | AoE vs marines... then they die |
| 21:36.27 | Ahli | and snare/slow stuff |
| 21:36.39 | ObsceneCereal | Let the arcade be F2P in the starter edition but allow players to sell their maps to people with lesser expansion levels then the map |
| 21:36.47 | Ahli | like fungal + ultra or banes on creep or banes + lings to surround then, etc |
| 21:37.13 | ObsceneCereal | I put marines should be removed because bioball is OP. and they are really useless unlike the mothership |
| 21:37.15 | Ahli | or kill all their medivacs and force stims and hope you don't loose too much stuff... but that's not a valid strategy in sc2 atm, I think |
| 21:37.29 | Ahli | you would need a unit like the terror from scbw for that |
| 21:37.57 | ObsceneCereal | When I have something serious to say, I email it to blizzard, if I am only brainstorming or joking I post it to the forums |
| 21:38.34 | Ahli | trashbasket@blizzard.com ? |
| 21:39.53 | Ahli | anyway, I've a chance to talk to Blizzard next week during meet & greet... but I assume there will only be there German speaking staff and note down feedback |
| 21:39.58 | ObsceneCereal | no |
| 21:40.06 | ObsceneCereal | Dele's work email |
| 21:40.23 | Ahli | I'm not saving those and actually I don't want to spam them |
| 21:40.40 | ObsceneCereal | Saving what? |
| 21:40.55 | Ahli | email addresses and stuff |
| 21:40.58 | Zolden | why no one mentioned "improve damn terrain deformers" in that msg from blizz thread? |
| 21:41.03 | ObsceneCereal | ahh |
| 21:41.10 | Zolden | you all would love to buglessly modify the terrain |
| 21:41.22 | ObsceneCereal | I save the ones I have, but I rarely E-mail anyone so its a non issue for me |
| 21:41.35 | Ahli | zolden, just make a lot of models and use the bridge physix stuff to make them move on it |
| 21:41.46 | Ahli | you can already work around that |
| 21:42.24 | Necromoni | i think they should add some assets, or sell an asset pack |
| 21:42.27 | Necromoni | hehe |
| 21:42.33 | Ahli | sell? |
| 21:42.37 | ObsceneCereal | FICKLE-MATTER NOOOO |
| 21:42.50 | Zolden | ObsceneCereal: have that music guy made a music for your map? |
| 21:42.56 | Ahli | then bnet dude must buy something and goes on a rampage why those greedy mapmakers want money (that Blizzards get because of mod) |
| 21:43.04 | Ahli | *Blizzard gets |
| 21:43.06 | ObsceneCereal | Nah, we were talking about it and then he just quit going on skype. |
| 21:43.12 | ObsceneCereal | so whatever :P |
| 21:43.29 | Zolden | Ahli: it's a pretty limited workaround |
| 21:43.44 | Ahli | why is that? |
| 21:43.48 | ObsceneCereal | I still do this for free :P |
| 21:43.50 | *** join/#sc2mapster necromoni_ (c87bd416@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.123.212.22) |
| 21:44.01 | ObsceneCereal | I just want my map to be Free 2 Play on at least starter edition |
| 21:44.02 | necromoni_ | im here 2 times now? |
| 21:44.17 | ObsceneCereal | I dunno if we can handle 2 of ya, one might have to leave |
| 21:44.28 | ObsceneCereal | the universe might implode |
| 21:44.36 | necromoni_ | lol |
| 21:44.45 | necromoni_ | i think my other self d/ced :l |
| 21:44.57 | necromoni_ | i didnt see wat ahli said after "sell?" |
| 21:44.58 | Ahli | no, you are only consisting out of a few parts of your former self... duplication function was broken, did you forget? |
| 21:45.04 | Zolden | Ahli: lots of physics will affect perfomance, also, landscape has unlimited shapes, it can by dynamic, and physic shapes are static |
| 21:45.06 | necromoni_ | lol |
| 21:45.27 | necromoni_ | lemme try again |
| 21:45.34 | Ahli | then go and post it in that thread ^^ |
| 21:45.46 | Ahli | it will become a list of everything that could be improved anyway |
| 21:45.58 | *** join/#sc2mapster Necromoni_ (c87bd416@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.123.212.22) |
| 21:45.58 | Zolden | yea, just need to log in |
| 21:46.04 | Necromoni_ | did it work |
| 21:46.05 | Necromoni_ | nop |
| 21:46.28 | Zolden | and Dogmai may not send it |
| 21:46.34 | ObsceneCereal | did you leave just to change your name? |
| 21:46.45 | ObsceneCereal | just type |
| 21:46.47 | Zolden | "i'll send if i like it" |
| 21:46.49 | Necromoni_ | wanted to see if i could get out the other one |
| 21:46.53 | Necromoni_ | o there hes gone |
| 21:46.56 | ObsceneCereal | "/nick Necromoni |
| 21:47.05 | ObsceneCereal | ah |
| 21:47.10 | Ahli | ok, now I remember what I wanted to do |
| 21:47.16 | Necromoni | now i can take my name |
| 21:48.13 | Necromoni | Why is it that there are much less asset makers in sc2 than in wc3, still up to this day. |
| 21:48.40 | Tomura | it's way more complex, since you have to make a high poly first |
| 21:48.42 | Ahli | more difficult assets because they would need way more stuff like normals and whatnot |
| 21:48.50 | Necromoni | I could understand models, but why no icons? |
| 21:49.05 | ObsceneCereal | yeah, If I were good at 3ds max I would convert the warcraft 3 models and upgrade them for sc2 |
| 21:49.10 | Ahli | because arcade maps have no imagination due to less assets |
| 21:49.15 | ObsceneCereal | but thats a lot of work and no one can be expected to do all that |
| 21:49.21 | Ahli | therefore, everything ingame is starcraft |
| 21:49.39 | ObsceneCereal | yeah, my map is all starcraft but atleast I built chickens with guns |
| 21:49.40 | ObsceneCereal | :) |
| 21:49.51 | Ahli | lol |
| 21:50.10 | Ahli | notes down chicken with gun as hero idea |
| 21:50.24 | Eimtr | can someone point me out to 1 thing, it wont take long |
| 21:50.26 | ObsceneCereal | http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Terrain174_zpse40c2ff2.jpg http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Terrain136_zps9bab73c2.jpg |
| 21:50.27 | ObsceneCereal | See |
| 21:50.28 | ObsceneCereal | :) |
| 21:50.42 | Necromoni | Are asset pakcs by blizzard in order? Should that be a good suggestion to the thread? |
| 21:50.53 | ObsceneCereal | Asset packs wont happen |
| 21:51.08 | ObsceneCereal | not from blizzard, I directly asked a dev about it, and they said they rely on the community to create those |
| 21:51.26 | Necromoni | even up to this day they rely on the community... |
| 21:51.26 | Zandose | did you make actual models? |
| 21:51.28 | Necromoni | >.> |
| 21:51.42 | ObsceneCereal | No, I use attachments cause I am boss, the 2nd picture only the chicken is mine |
| 21:51.53 | Zandose | nice |
| 21:52.27 | Necromoni | Imported models increase game size by alot right |
| 21:52.48 | Ahli | if you add ten billion animations |
| 21:52.56 | Eimtr | http://pastebin.com/gNJjm3i4 - can any1 tell me why on Earth the dialog won't be destroyed when i set it to variable |
| 21:52.57 | Tomura | textures do, but models are rather small |
| 21:53.17 | ObsceneCereal | Imported Models Dont |
| 21:53.30 | ObsceneCereal | textures if you know what your doing are about 1-3 mbs each |
| 21:53.33 | ObsceneCereal | using a mod thats not too bad |
| 21:54.33 | Necromoni | still cant find the chicken... |
| 21:55.08 | ObsceneCereal | I use the word chicken loosely |
| 21:55.15 | ObsceneCereal | Its the alien chicken |
| 21:55.21 | Ahli | it's an alien emu |
| 21:55.36 | Ahli | 2 legs, long neck |
| 21:55.37 | ObsceneCereal | http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Terrain123_zpsaec3d9ae.jpg |
| 21:55.40 | Ahli | and a tail |
| 21:55.57 | ObsceneCereal | Though thats the unfinshed pic of him |
| 21:56.03 | ObsceneCereal | I might change it to an actual chicken model someday |
| 21:56.09 | Necromoni | o i see it |
| 21:56.09 | Necromoni | lol |
| 22:00.15 | Vailreth | i need to uninstall 3ds i think |
| 22:00.36 | *** join/#sc2mapster Zolden (d557845b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.87.132.91) |
| 22:01.05 | Necromoni | y |
| 22:01.22 | Vailreth | my license is about up and i could use the space |
| 22:02.35 | ObsceneCereal | My old license runs up in 365 years |
| 22:02.46 | Vailreth | nice |
| 22:03.21 | Vailreth | i got my license free as a college student ... and its about up i havent been in college in years |
| 22:03.36 | ObsceneCereal | ahhh |
| 22:03.50 | ObsceneCereal | I got mine free... from the trial version + olly debug |
| 22:03.54 | ObsceneCereal | doing it old school |
| 22:04.28 | Zolden | guys, pirate shit, be modern |
| 22:04.56 | Zandose | windows 7, microsoft office, dragon naturally |
| 22:05.15 | Necromoni | Zolden u made toz? |
| 22:05.17 | Zandose | you need a license for these¿ |
| 22:05.56 | Zolden | whoze? |
| 22:06.00 | ObsceneCereal | BUT but... olldy dbg :( |
| 22:06.07 | ObsceneCereal | It doesnt hack it just bypasses |
| 22:06.18 | Necromoni | trial of zeal ? |
| 22:06.56 | Zolden | no |
| 22:06.56 | Zandose | is my bypass to netflix US from canada wrong? |
| 22:07.11 | ObsceneCereal | no |
| 22:07.22 | Necromoni | o my bad |
| 22:07.24 | ObsceneCereal | it cant bypass things that are offset to the internet, only programs |
| 22:07.24 | Necromoni | :o |
| 22:07.40 | Necromoni | u made models right |
| 22:07.45 | ObsceneCereal | It shows code of the program, and then you just sift through it to find the background |
| 22:07.48 | Necromoni | i mean convert |
| 22:07.54 | ObsceneCereal | nope |
| 22:07.54 | Zolden | maybe |
| 22:08.02 | Necromoni | you ever made any splat private splat models? |
| 22:08.12 | Necromoni | private splat models* |
| 22:08.18 | Zolden | i gave modelling help to many mapmakermen |
| 22:08.42 | Zolden | yea |
| 22:09.02 | ObsceneCereal | Zolden gives no help!!!! |
| 22:09.10 | Necromoni | o.o |
| 22:09.23 | Necromoni | I just needed to cut up an existing effect model |
| 22:09.24 | Necromoni | :l |
| 22:09.28 | Zolden | helps ObsceneCereal go get chair fucked |
| 22:09.49 | ObsceneCereal | I once :(, asked for kerrigans particle removed... but but... it came back with size dddd boobs |
| 22:10.00 | Necromoni | lol |
| 22:10.15 | ObsceneCereal | you think I am kidding |
| 22:10.19 | Necromoni | yes |
| 22:10.19 | Zolden | i can't modify existing effects |
| 22:10.20 | Zolden | i can recreate |
| 22:10.35 | Necromoni | all I really need is 1 effect to show an arc effect happening |
| 22:10.46 | Necromoni | and sc2 has none existing |
| 22:10.54 | Necromoni | except this boss suck up thing that doesnt work |
| 22:11.11 | ObsceneCereal | http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Terrain067.jpg PROOF!!! |
| 22:11.15 | Vailreth | i could use a seige tank in two parts, turret and body with anims for each but completely sperate... |
| 22:11.29 | Zandose | sexy |
| 22:11.43 | Necromoni | lol obscene |
| 22:11.47 | Necromoni | thats ur work |
| 22:11.48 | ObsceneCereal | Vailreth, In my map theres an itempack, check that. |
| 22:12.01 | Vailreth | she lookes a little pudgier all around |
| 22:12.04 | ObsceneCereal | I think the 2 tank parts are already there |
| 22:12.14 | Necromoni | So can u help me zolden? |
| 22:12.23 | ObsceneCereal | with animations |
| 22:12.29 | Vailreth | cool |
| 22:13.46 | Vailreth | personally i believe blizzard may not care as much about the modding scene as they claim to despite the editor being as powerful as it is |
| 22:14.22 | Ahli | I believe they care, but they just have no manpower to do anything big |
| 22:14.25 | Ahli | in sc2 |
| 22:14.51 | Necromoni | they fraid to lose money |
| 22:14.53 | Vailreth | thet could be true as well |
| 22:15.17 | mille25 | they made quite some progress over the last months, but its still missing this one great breakthrough |
| 22:15.32 | mille25 | for example implementing a big feature that many modders are asking for since a long time |
| 22:15.52 | mille25 | the problem is that the most needed features are often also the most complex ones |
| 22:15.54 | mille25 | and take alot of time |
| 22:16.24 | ObsceneCereal | I think they care, but no longer feel the enthusiasm to change anything. |
| 22:16.37 | Ahli | that's why we should hope that they take notes that are accessible when they build the next engine in 15 years for the next generation |
| 22:16.38 | mille25 | its not really about enthusiasm, its business |
| 22:16.41 | ObsceneCereal | Just as the community itself has lost all enthusiam |
| 22:16.50 | Ahli | then our kids can mod |
| 22:17.00 | ObsceneCereal | Wanting to do something, and thinking that it will help are 2 different things |
| 22:17.02 | Vailreth | i will never have kids |
| 22:17.12 | Ahli | why not? |
| 22:17.23 | ObsceneCereal | I want kids. But I refuse to raise them in this country |
| 22:17.24 | DeadZergling | maybe he is related to ObsceneCereal |
| 22:17.28 | ObsceneCereal | lol |
| 22:17.48 | ObsceneCereal | My kids will hate me, they will be home schooled lol |
| 22:17.55 | mille25 | Ahli: im not sure about the future of modding overall. sure, it gets easier and easier to create awesome stuff, on the flipside though, players expect more and more awesome content because all big games have millions of dollars of budged and years of development time. |
| 22:18.30 | mille25 | in addition, its gets harder to find games which dont exist yet |
| 22:18.57 | ObsceneCereal | I think the community itself is at fault too |
| 22:18.59 | mille25 | take mobas as an example... it wouldnt make any more sense to create smth like dota as a mod |
| 22:19.06 | mille25 | because everyone can just play the "real" mobas for free |
| 22:19.10 | Ahli | that's like you would tell us that the game industry will stop to produce games because every game idea has been made |
| 22:19.16 | ObsceneCereal | it was stupid for the entire community to pull everything to mapster, and everyone else just kinda died out |
| 22:19.18 | Zandose | obscene where you at? |
| 22:19.26 | ObsceneCereal | America? |
| 22:19.55 | Zandose | the school system in your area is that bad? |
| 22:19.57 | ArcanePariah | mille25, I agree, it is much different now a days, there are an overobundence of game development tools, and platoforms |
| 22:20.05 | ObsceneCereal | the school system in the united states is bad |
| 22:20.07 | mille25 | Ahli: im not talking about the gaming industry, im talking about mods. more and more "real" games adopt the free to play model and are way more polished than any mod |
| 22:20.09 | ObsceneCereal | and its only getting worse |
| 22:20.12 | ArcanePariah | Anyone can go download the source, unity or cryengine for free |
| 22:20.17 | mille25 | in addition, the time to create mods increases due to increasing complexity. |
| 22:20.18 | ArcanePariah | anyone can get on steam |
| 22:20.37 | ObsceneCereal | I wont state what it was, if you wish to look it up you can, but that little cali law for schools really pissed me off too. |
| 22:20.54 | ObsceneCereal | it was passed like 3 days ago |
| 22:20.57 | Zandose | I see. I live in Canada and my sister homeschools her kids. |
| 22:21.02 | Ahli | yeah, but what will all the people do that are creative and want to create something? |
| 22:21.04 | ObsceneCereal | good on her |
| 22:21.18 | mille25 | they are fucked. :D |
| 22:21.21 | Ahli | like I'm a person, I'm creating more than I play... ^^ |
| 22:21.36 | Ahli | that sentence... good engrish, AHli |
| 22:21.40 | Zandose | It's a double-sided point or double-sided coin |
| 22:21.44 | ObsceneCereal | Yeah I still play a bit, but its more or less me being critical when I play then just playing |
| 22:21.57 | ObsceneCereal | Mapping is a reversed sword |
| 22:22.02 | mille25 | heh... your english is better than mine :P |
| 22:22.30 | mille25 | im glad than im not a very creative person |
| 22:22.36 | Ahli | that's why I can boldly stress the sentences that I f*cked up |
| 22:22.42 | mille25 | im just a programmer. therefore i can work for everyone without thinking about concepts too much haha |
| 22:22.43 | Vailreth | i used to be a creative person |
| 22:22.44 | Zandose | no no, mapping is a three sided sword. Your side, they are side, and the truth. |
| 22:22.50 | ObsceneCereal | why censor it? fucked |
| 22:22.51 | Vailreth | then they put me on abilify |
| 22:23.05 | ObsceneCereal | Abilify, may cause depression and death :/ |
| 22:23.26 | Ahli | well, me neither. I became some sort of problem solver though... all my live I'm working against the borders and try to raise the bar. |
| 22:23.28 | Vailreth | yeah.. |
| 22:23.56 | Vailreth | it made me diabetic as well |
| 22:24.11 | ObsceneCereal | I was on ritalin, stratera, and a few other medications for a while :P but since I got off them I refuse to take any medicine even aspirin |
| 22:24.26 | Vailreth | so the medicine i take to keep me sane is slowly killing me |
| 22:24.30 | Ahli | tainted, I censor my bad words... it's a habit I started years ago |
| 22:24.31 | ObsceneCereal | lol |
| 22:24.37 | ObsceneCereal | ah |
| 22:24.47 | ObsceneCereal | can I uncensor them when you censor them? |
| 22:24.49 | Zolden | ObsceneCereal: there is no countries better than US on modern earth |
| 22:24.58 | Vailreth | rod blastit this uninstall is taking forever |
| 22:25.04 | ObsceneCereal | YES THERE IS!!!, |
| 22:25.07 | mille25 | germany = best country ever!!!111111 |
| 22:25.09 | Zandose | I'm nice and doped up on my meds |
| 22:25.11 | ObsceneCereal | Antartica!!! THE REATEST EVER!!! |
| 22:25.24 | ObsceneCereal | Also we appearently banned the letter G |
| 22:25.26 | Zandose | mille25 to do this watch it documentary about that? |
| 22:25.39 | DeadZergling | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.43 | DeadZergling | You wanta Fanta? |
| 22:25.50 | ObsceneCereal | SS? |
| 22:25.52 | Zandose | err stupid text to voice program |
| 22:25.58 | DeadZergling | screenshot |
| 22:26.00 | ObsceneCereal | What screen shot? |
| 22:26.01 | ObsceneCereal | Link |
| 22:26.19 | DeadZergling | http://s183.photobucket.com/user/11shadowwolf/media/Terrain067.jpg.html, is your SS you goof |
| 22:26.19 | ObsceneCereal | those aren't screenshots those are hand drawn portraits Im just that good |
| 22:26.27 | DeadZergling | no you aren't |
| 22:26.30 | ObsceneCereal | lawl |
| 22:26.42 | ObsceneCereal | how you gunna call me out like that |
| 22:26.54 | ObsceneCereal | I take 2 dots and make an almost straight line! |
| 22:26.56 | mille25 | did your kerrigan get a breast implant? :D |
| 22:27.02 | ObsceneCereal | Yes |
| 22:27.06 | Vailreth | no she was inflated ... |
| 22:27.09 | mille25 | nice. |
| 22:27.20 | ObsceneCereal | Zoldens handy work |
| 22:27.20 | Vailreth | look closer all of her parts are bigger ... |
| 22:27.33 | ObsceneCereal | he was trying to make her sluttier if I recall |
| 22:27.37 | mille25 | lol |
| 22:27.44 | Vailreth | just made her look fat |
| 22:27.55 | DeadZergling | she is the plush model |
| 22:27.58 | ObsceneCereal | i just asked for particles, Who am I to call his genious work bad. |
| 22:28.00 | Vailreth | too many donuts |
| 22:28.21 | ObsceneCereal | I made the poor retexture though |
| 22:28.31 | DeadZergling | and once again |
| 22:28.36 | DeadZergling | You wanta Fanta? |
| 22:28.44 | ObsceneCereal | no, I want some skittles |
| 22:28.55 | DeadZergling | too bad, Kerrigan ate them all |
| 22:28.59 | ObsceneCereal | lol |
| 22:29.02 | Zolden | who else except Dogmai recieved that "msg from blizzard"? |
| 22:29.21 | ObsceneCereal | Everyone whos map was featured |
| 22:29.23 | mille25 | i guess all owners of featured maps? |
| 22:29.36 | ObsceneCereal | BTW here deadzergling TRY TO SAY I AM NOT A GENIOUS ARTIST !!! http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x171/11shadowwolf/Bendermario-2.jpg |
| 22:29.59 | DeadZergling | still hanging onto that huh |
| 22:30.11 | Zolden | I must get one of my maps featured to have direct contact to blizz ;/ |
| 22:30.48 | Vailreth | i will be back folks |
| 22:30.48 | ObsceneCereal | its great :) |
| 22:31.06 | ObsceneCereal | I Have direct contact with blizz sometimes |
| 22:31.34 | ObsceneCereal | like 1/5 emails I send I get a response |
| 22:31.39 | DeadZergling | how druids should do their magic: http://nerf-this.com/preg-grenade/ |
| 22:31.50 | DeadZergling | later vail |
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| 22:41.03 | Zolden | Zandose: go support my post, tell them that improving terrain defomers is something you and others have always been praying for |
| 22:42.17 | mille25 | id rather have full terrain modification support via triggers |
| 22:42.26 | mille25 | would allow real random terrain via script |
| 22:43.06 | Zolden | mille25: well actors could be just an object to use it by triggers |
| 22:43.18 | mille25 | true, but its an annoying step to take. |
| 22:43.18 | Zolden | like interface to terrain |
| 22:43.23 | mille25 | why not make a native api? |
| 22:43.51 | mille25 | also support for water, cliffs, textures, ... |
| 22:43.59 | Zolden | actually yea, having a direct access to each terrain mesh node is a relief |
| 22:43.59 | Zandose | give me a link |
| 22:44.07 | Zandose | and what should i say? |
| 22:45.29 | Zandose | lol @ Smaller, Faster, Easier. |
| 22:47.38 | Zolden | yea, and all that. mille25 You could add this addition about cliffs and textures into the thread on bnet forum I created for that. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7923034097#1 |
| 22:48.13 | Zolden | anyone i talk about is like "yea, would be useful"... no one is pushing it into blizz' head |
| 22:48.28 | Zolden | Zandose: here http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/56568-msg-from-blizzard/?unread |
| 22:48.39 | Zolden | just say that you think |
| 22:48.43 | Zolden | *what |
| 22:49.04 | Zandose | k. ill think upon it for a bit. |
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| 23:04.13 | Necromoni | zolden did you finish the rise of legends map |
| 23:19.37 | Zolden | Necromoni: vinci race is finished |
| 23:19.48 | Zolden | models are ready for cuotl |
| 23:19.59 | Zolden | but i paused it to make another map |
| 23:22.54 | DeadZergling | making another tower defense? |
| 23:24.01 | Zolden | yea |
| 23:24.33 | Zolden | but it as advanced relatively to usual tower defences as a satellite - to helicopters |
| 23:27.49 | DeadZergling | bad analogy |
| 23:28.22 | DeadZergling | satellites themselves just use gravity, all their movement lost in their launch and discarded |
| 23:28.31 | DeadZergling | helicopters are far more mobile :P |
| 23:29.29 | DeadZergling | also, you could technically launch a rock into space and call it a satellite |
| 23:29.35 | DeadZergling | is why we sometimes refer to the moon as one |
| 23:30.27 | Zolden | satellites have advanced science/communication devices inside |
| 23:30.44 | Zolden | helicopters only have fat tourists |
| 23:31.09 | Zolden | and stone is a good example of a satellite |
| 23:31.56 | DeadZergling | no, and no :P |
| 23:32.28 | Zolden | how about on and on? |
| 23:33.02 | DeadZergling | in soviet russia, rock is more advanced than helicopter |
| 23:33.06 | DeadZergling | how about that :P |
| 23:33.29 | Zolden | yea, russia rocks |
| 23:33.53 | Zolden | meteorites are still falling btw, saw two while brushing teeth |
| 23:34.08 | Zolden | also two galaxies are visible |
| 23:34.30 | Zolden | fucking splendid to have all that while brushing teeth |
| 23:40.32 | JademusSreg | Alright. Pretty sure there's no more urgent shit demanding my attention. Phew. |
| 23:41.16 | DeadZergling | More roughage next time JademusSreg, it will help! |
| 23:50.28 | Ahli | http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1kgbcz/does_anyone_know_the_originsinfluence_of_the/ link waze to this |
| 23:51.31 | Zolden | yea, mineralz idea was nice |
| 23:51.44 | Zolden | maybe the beast map idea i saw on bnet |
| 23:51.56 | Zolden | *besr |
| 23:51.57 | Zolden | ;/ |
| 23:59.53 | ObsceneCereal | back |
