| 00:00.03 | Zolden | i'm not sure, but you can sand message to unit's actor, where there will be an event to resend the message to the attachment |
| 00:00.10 | Zandose | can i save the actor to the units custom? |
| 00:00.25 | Zandose | hmm |
| 00:00.40 | Zandose | i looked ino that but wasnt sure how it worked |
| 00:00.45 | Zolden | i think attaching an actor to another actor creates a link you can use by picking a correct alias |
| 00:01.17 | Zolden | you know, that list where all stuff has "_" prefix |
| 00:01.23 | Zolden | like _Selectable |
| 00:02.22 | Zolden | try this: add "signal DestroyAttachment arrived -> destroy _something" event to unit's actor |
| 00:02.31 | Zolden | where something is one of the aliases |
| 00:02.50 | Zolden | then send this signal to unit's actor |
| 00:03.52 | Zolden | is there something like _Attached or _Secondary... something that look like it can link an attached actor |
| 00:04.23 | Zolden | another way is pick an actor at unit's coordinate, and destroy it |
| 00:05.13 | Zolden | Zandose: another way is to add/remove a behaviore, that will add remove the actor |
| 00:05.24 | Zandose | hmm |
| 00:05.28 | Zolden | it's easier and just a general way of doing it |
| 00:08.15 | Zandose | if i used Actor - Kill actor model (Actor connected to (Actor for (Last created unit)) via reference Name) what would i use for reference/id |
| 00:09.04 | Zolden | dunno, never tried it |
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| 00:10.33 | Necromoni | did my msg go |
| 00:10.35 | Necromoni | lol |
| 00:10.46 | Zolden | add to actor "behavior X on -> destroy". And add behavior X to the unit. And set duration for X to 0.0625 |
| 00:10.53 | Zolden | Necromoni: nope |
| 00:11.10 | Necromoni | oh |
| 00:11.20 | Zandose | i dont want instant destroy |
| 00:11.35 | Necromoni | then set to how long u want it on lel |
| 00:11.48 | Zolden | Zandose: you can define delay the same way |
| 00:12.03 | Necromoni | I wanted to talk about banks too :l |
| 00:12.08 | Necromoni | sucks |
| 00:12.08 | Zandose | dont need delay either. uh |
| 00:12.19 | Zolden | solving actor related issues with data is usually easier than with trigs |
| 00:12.32 | Zolden | what do you need then? |
| 00:12.33 | Zandose | not for what im doing |
| 00:12.37 | Zolden | you can fade it out |
| 00:13.04 | Zolden | explain what you want, I should have asked it first, like Jade does |
| 00:13.05 | Zandose | im going to just try with variables for now and change it in the future |
| 00:13.27 | Necromoni | no idea why you wouldnt want to use the data editor |
| 00:13.36 | Necromoni | :l |
| 00:13.39 | Zandose | just wanted to avoid extra loops, calls, and data sorting |
| 00:14.19 | Zandose | one sec. ill turn my voice mode on so i can write easier |
| 00:14.26 | Zandose | both my hnads are iun casts |
| 00:14.30 | Zolden | you think having something in data will consume more perfomance than if you have something in triggers? |
| 00:15.20 | Necromoni | ow |
| 00:15.22 | Zolden | or you inly mentioned variables |
| 00:15.28 | Necromoni | thats what happens when you go outside |
| 00:16.03 | Zandose | I know data is better for performance |
| 00:16.29 | deadzergling | it isn't necessarily that Zandose |
| 00:16.40 | deadzergling | just harder to make really bad mistakes in data, lol |
| 00:16.43 | Zolden | tell us the whole thing about your actor attachment |
| 00:16.50 | Necromoni | ya less leaks |
| 00:16.52 | Necromoni | :o |
| 00:17.00 | Necromoni | wait does triggering in sc2 editor leak? |
| 00:17.19 | Zolden | trigs don't, mapmakers make them to |
| 00:17.44 | Necromoni | naaaah in wc3 u needed workarounjds to prevent leaks |
| 00:17.55 | ObsceneCereal | 15/20 possible kills and my team still loses lol |
| 00:17.59 | Zolden | if one's data consume more perfomance than triggers, he can consider himself not a noob anymore |
| 00:18.01 | ObsceneCereal | all thy had to do was account for 5 kills |
| 00:18.08 | Zandose | The idea time trying to do is create the targeting system. What happens is I searched the area for targets/units, and then I attach the targeting image to these units. The problem is when it comes time to do this all over again I want to keep the test image on the units still arrange and remove it from units that are out of range. |
| 00:18.47 | Zolden | sounds like pure data |
| 00:19.00 | Frinckles | :o Does Bounty ever come on SC2 Mapster? |
| 00:19.10 | Zolden | funny spelling mistakes with your voice |
| 00:19.11 | deadzergling | rarely |
| 00:19.17 | deadzergling | if he is on, you'll know |
| 00:19.24 | Zandose | Keeping track of all these attachments requires variables were to have to sort through cleanup and do other things. |
| 00:19.31 | Frinckles | He does make pretty neat maps. |
| 00:19.46 | Zandose | im just a triggr person |
| 00:20.47 | Necromoni | anyone know a shortcut to make levelable abilities >.> so far it's taking more time to update all the tooltips than to make the actual ability |
| 00:20.54 | Zolden | Zandose: did I understand right: you need to have attachments on units within range of another unit? |
| 00:21.46 | Necromoni | validator op |
| 00:22.06 | Ahli | "if he is on, you'll know" :D |
| 00:22.13 | Zolden | lol |
| 00:22.34 | Ahli | true, he isn't idling here... he is here when he is here... |
| 00:22.44 | Zandose | Not exactly. It's just my unit and checking what other units are within range then either add/keep/remove the attachment. |
| 00:22.48 | Zolden | yea |
| 00:22.50 | ObsceneCereal | Hes here hes hidden and laughing at us all |
| 00:23.47 | Zandose | Kind of like if you watched on them or played Mech warrior, it highlights or gives you a square circle when umits come within range |
| 00:24.00 | Zandose | gundam* |
| 00:24.03 | Necromoni | mech warria |
| 00:25.05 | Zolden | Zandose: it sounds like an aura, that gives behaviors that attach target attachments |
| 00:25.26 | Zolden | anyway, i'd talk more, but time to sleep |
| 00:25.27 | Frinckles | Apparently he's been involved in some drama llama stuff. |
| 00:25.28 | Frinckles | Yikes. |
| 00:25.33 | Zandose | ttyl |
| 00:28.32 | Necromoni | lllllllllllllama drama |
| 00:35.51 | Necromoni | I beg for a shortcut to make levelable abilities :< |
| 00:37.45 | Frinckles | I wish I could help! I don't know how to do anything. :D |
| 00:38.00 | Frinckles | That's why I'm wasting time lurking the forums. Then maybe by the end of the day I'll know how to make a hero. |
| 00:38.22 | Necromoni | there are tuts for making heroes |
| 00:38.23 | Necromoni | :l |
| 00:38.53 | Necromoni | http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/tutorials/ |
| 00:39.13 | Necromoni | just ctrl+f hero |
| 00:41.24 | Frinckles | I need to focus long enough to read one. :P & I'm trying to plan the groundwork for what I need in my map. |
| 00:41.42 | Frinckles | Lots to do for one person new to the Galaxy Editor. |
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| 00:45.35 | Necromoni | ya i was new |
| 00:45.43 | Necromoni | a couple months ago |
| 00:45.50 | Necromoni | wasnt as hard as i thought it was |
| 00:46.12 | Necromoni | still trying to learn all the functions though |
| 00:46.25 | Necromoni | It's just long and monotonous to work with heroes |
| 00:46.32 | Necromoni | wish I chose my other project to work on |
| 00:47.24 | Necromoni | and if you dont make sc2 heroes you have to work hard on the sound and effects |
| 00:47.53 | Necromoni | cuz sc2 editor sounds and effects are not too generic |
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| 00:59.15 | Frinckles | @Dogmai is back. :o |
| 00:59.22 | Frinckles | Welp, nevermind. |
| 00:59.58 | Frinckles | Oh hai Dogg. |
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| 03:05.25 | Frinckles | Jinkies. |
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| 03:21.01 | JademusSreg | Zooop. |
| 03:21.15 | JademusSreg | [20:19:00] <Frinckles> :o Does Bounty ever come on SC2 Mapster? |
| 03:21.19 | JademusSreg | Why do you ask? |
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| 03:38.29 | Wrath | Hmmm |
| 03:38.42 | Wrath | I think I found something interesting. |
| 03:39.44 | Ahli | feel free to elaborate |
| 03:39.51 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 03:39.55 | Wrath | Made a custom unit status frame |
| 03:39.58 | Wrath | With your name label |
| 03:40.00 | Wrath | Tested it online |
| 03:40.05 | Wrath | It had my clan tag in it |
| 03:40.13 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 03:40.15 | Wrath | Get Text could potentially then return the clan tag |
| 03:40.28 | JademusSreg | On a nameless unit. |
| 03:40.29 | Wrath | Other news: |
| 03:40.30 | JademusSreg | Nice. |
| 03:40.33 | Wrath | Yes |
| 03:40.36 | Wrath | Uhhhm |
| 03:40.40 | Wrath | I attempted to set the text |
| 03:40.42 | Wrath | Nothing changed |
| 03:40.46 | Wrath | Which brings me to the question |
| 03:40.50 | Wrath | What does BatchText do |
| 03:40.59 | Wrath | And if that's totally unrelated |
| 03:41.00 | Ahli | you can already put the clan tag into a text... |
| 03:41.03 | Wrath | Do you know how to set the text? |
| 03:41.05 | Wrath | How Ahli? |
| 03:41.10 | JademusSreg | Used for batch processing of multiple subelements. |
| 03:41.16 | Ahli | with the way interfaces do that... |
| 03:41.30 | JademusSreg | The subelements tend to not be accessible. |
| 03:41.50 | Wrath | You going to elaborate Ahli? lol |
| 03:42.10 | Wrath | Anyways, I changed the text, but it did not display differently |
| 03:42.14 | Ahli | <d Player="#" GameValue="PlayerClanTag"/> # would be the player number |
| 03:42.34 | Wrath | Ah right |
| 03:42.39 | Wrath | I don't use such references very often |
| 03:42.48 | Wrath | Really should.. |
| 03:43.07 | Wrath | So, I changed the text but it did not appear the way I changed it |
| 03:43.15 | Wrath | At which point I added a print statement of get text after that |
| 03:43.20 | Wrath | And that DID display differently |
| 03:43.27 | Wrath | So it is setting the value but not changing the display |
| 03:43.31 | Wrath | Any idea how to work around that? |
| 03:44.23 | Ahli | I fail to understand |
| 03:44.33 | Wrath | Okay |
| 03:44.39 | Wrath | I have my unit status frame, and I hooked up the label |
| 03:44.44 | Wrath | The player name label that is.. |
| 03:44.46 | Ahli | yes |
| 03:44.54 | Wrath | I attempted to set the text value, and it did not display any differently |
| 03:45.02 | Wrath | I added a print statement of the text value after that |
| 03:45.09 | Wrath | And the print statement showed it as having changed |
| 03:45.13 | Wrath | It is just not displaying differently |
| 03:45.18 | Wrath | In the actual frame |
| 03:45.45 | Ahli | was it only changed for a tiny amount of time within the engine before the UI update put the old value in? |
| 03:45.58 | Wrath | Mmm good point.. Let me check. |
| 03:45.58 | Ahli | because it's playernameframe... |
| 03:46.11 | Ahli | and not label with text that displays the name |
| 03:46.30 | Ahli | if you change the owner of the unit, the playernameframe should update, too... so it should be updated |
| 03:47.19 | Ahli | If you need to be able to change the text, hook the unitstatusbar and create a label, save the reference to that label somewhere and do what you need to do |
| 03:47.46 | Wrath | I added 3 seconds of late |
| 03:47.47 | Wrath | *wait |
| 03:47.56 | Wrath | And it still returned a changed value |
| 03:48.09 | Wrath | It just isn't updating the display of it |
| 03:48.23 | Ahli | oh well, makes sense... |
| 03:49.05 | Ahli | if it updates the appearance of something that should only change when the unit owner changes, then you wouldn't need to update it in any other case |
| 03:49.07 | Wrath | I'm gonna try hiding and showing it, but I don't know that it will do anything |
| 03:49.23 | Ahli | hiding and showing is just a flag if rendered or not... |
| 03:49.38 | Ahli | shouldn't update any data... |
| 03:56.19 | Ahli | also, wrath, in case you will ever trigger a shield bar similar to the healthstatusbar, I'm intersted ^^ |
| 03:56.21 | Wrath | I'm confused though. Get Text is returning the changed value. So isn't the data updated? It just isn't displaying. |
| 03:56.55 | Wrath | Wait what? |
| 03:56.57 | Ahli | maybe it ignores its data? it's a special label |
| 03:57.00 | Wrath | Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 03:57.32 | Ahli | unitstatusbar has healthstatusbar frame thingy... the bar that shows health... |
| 03:57.38 | Wrath | Right |
| 03:57.40 | Ahli | that you can add... |
| 03:57.58 | Ahli | there is nothing for shields because obviously we play dota |
| 03:58.11 | Wrath | Uhm |
| 03:58.22 | Wrath | Aren't you thinking of UnitStatusShieldedHealthBar? |
| 03:58.38 | Ahli | that one exists, but it fails to display any indication of max shield points |
| 03:58.55 | Wrath | Well, its display is |
| 03:59.06 | Wrath | Ahhh |
| 03:59.07 | Ahli | so, you don't know if the archon hero has 10% shields or 80% by just looking at it... |
| 03:59.08 | Wrath | Is it |
| 03:59.20 | Wrath | HealthCurrent + ShieldCurrent / HealthMax + ShieldMax? |
| 03:59.53 | Ahli | it displays the following portions: HealtCurrent | ShieldCurrent | MissingHealth in that bar |
| 04:00.33 | Wrath | Ahhh |
| 04:00.43 | Ahli | I would like to have the bar show HealtCurrent | ShieldCurrent | MissingHealth | MissingShields |
| 04:01.04 | Ahli | or have a bar that just displays shields similar to the health bar |
| 04:01.05 | Wrath | Yeah I see |
| 04:01.28 | Wrath | Yeah I could trigger that pretty quickly |
| 04:02.33 | Ahli | I'm too lazy to do that with the same feature like the damage color and time... |
| 04:03.07 | Ahli | the shieldedhealthbar has some property fields that do strange things... I've no idea why they were added :X |
| 04:04.37 | Wrath | One interesting thing you can do with the animation is |
| 04:04.39 | Wrath | Add delay to it |
| 04:04.44 | Wrath | So after first taking damage |
| 04:04.50 | Wrath | It waits ~1.5 seconds to reduce |
| 04:04.54 | Wrath | Shows burst damage very well |
| 04:05.01 | Wrath | (And when it reduces it still animates of course) |
| 04:05.14 | Ahli | that's what I ment with the damage time thing |
| 04:05.28 | Ahli | indeed pretty cool ^^ |
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| 04:05.47 | Frinckles | Anybody alive? :o |
| 04:05.55 | Wrath | Mmmmmmmmmmmyes |
| 04:06.06 | ArcanePariah | Yes, I think *Checks Pulse* |
| 04:06.26 | Ahli | actually I'm starving... so not sure how long my body remains functional |
| 04:06.42 | Frinckles | Well I need halp. :O |
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| 04:06.58 | Frinckles | I finally figured out what exactly I want my map to be~ |
| 04:07.02 | Wrath | So what do Batch and BatchText do? Anybody know? |
| 04:07.05 | Frinckles | And I'd like input. |
| 04:07.17 | ArcanePariah | Wrath, this in the UI editor? |
| 04:07.24 | Wrath | Yeah. |
| 04:07.29 | Wrath | Go ahead, Frinckles |
| 04:08.50 | Ahli | hmmm, 6am... I think I will eat "breakfast" and watch suits |
| 04:08.57 | Frinckles | Mm, well. I don't think this has been handled this way, but I'd like to make a slew of RPG maps called, "Abathur's Metamorph:Char/Zerus/wherever else" where players can start off as a larvae and collect different strains of Zerg DNA which will function as classes, level up and of course acquire items which I'd name 'Mutations.' |
| 04:09.05 | Dogmai | I like suits |
| 04:09.17 | Dogmai | I say to my brother, its like you put my head in his body |
| 04:09.26 | Dogmai | He doesn't agree, but he wouldn't ... |
| 04:09.26 | Frinckles | Of course, I'd use banks for players to play different tilesets with whole new quests and strains to unlock. |
| 04:09.46 | Wrath | Is this single or multiplayer? |
| 04:09.48 | Ahli | donna is by far the best character in that show... |
| 04:09.50 | Frinckles | Multiplayer. |
| 04:09.57 | Frinckles | Not sure how many players yet. :o |
| 04:10.11 | Frinckles | I'm thinking a lower number like.. 5.. maybe 6.. or a ton.. I can't decide. |
| 04:10.28 | Wrath | I like it. Sounds like a LOT of work though, haha. |
| 04:11.35 | Frinckles | Well, Dogmai inspired me a bit earlier. I figure once I have the "Engine" ;) down, it will be a piece of cake to make different terrain and quests. I love doing those parts. |
| 04:11.42 | ArcanePariah | I do too, but it almost sounds like a collection of maps, with a shared bank, to "simulate" going to different worlds and a psuedo campaign |
| 04:11.55 | Frinckles | It's supposed to! :) |
| 04:11.57 | Ahli | dogmai, did you sleep 3 hours or are you still awake? |
| 04:12.02 | Dogmai | Slept |
| 04:12.03 | Frinckles | Multiplayer Zerg RPG fun. |
| 04:12.10 | Dogmai | About 5 ish |
| 04:12.11 | Ahli | or are you sleep-irc-ing |
| 04:12.24 | Dogmai | I do not sleep well. |
| 04:12.40 | ArcanePariah | Then I agree with Wrath, the terraining work alone is going to be a collosal endeavor |
| 04:12.40 | Dogmai | Like I am super tired, but nothing a can of monster can't fix. |
| 04:12.43 | Ahli | oh, irc only changed your name in the mean time |
| 04:12.45 | Dogmai | which reminds me, I am out of monster |
| 04:13.02 | Wrath | That's the kind of project that you need a team for, Frinckles. |
| 04:13.08 | ArcanePariah | ^ |
| 04:13.16 | Ahli | teams are overrated |
| 04:13.18 | Frinckles | :o I don't have any of those laying around. |
| 04:13.19 | Dogmai | Well not really, people always want to start with RPGs right |
| 04:13.25 | Dogmai | But RPGs are the hardest thing to do |
| 04:13.28 | JademusSreg | A can of monsters would certainly be loud enough to wake a person. |
| 04:13.32 | Dogmai | But they are the greatest thing to learn the basics on |
| 04:13.39 | ArcanePariah | One person to work on core engine/heros/data, and 1 person per world to do the terrain, another for triggers |
| 04:14.03 | Dogmai | core engine = triggers |
| 04:14.11 | Dogmai | terrain should be picked up by one of either |
| 04:14.20 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, but data is the main part that will be shared as a mod file among all the maps |
| 04:14.28 | Dogmai | indeed |
| 04:14.33 | ArcanePariah | With the hero definitions/skills/abilites |
| 04:14.44 | Dogmai | but there are still issues with having code inside mod files |
| 04:14.59 | ArcanePariah | But yeah, triggers will also shared, primarly I see any custom dialog work |
| 04:15.00 | JademusSreg | Yar. Libraries are more reliable in that respect. |
| 04:15.18 | Frinckles | Well, with time I'll release different adventures on worlds. I believe I'm going to start with Char as that's where Abathur was after Kerrigan was de-infested. |
| 04:15.27 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, libraries are more aimed at code, wheras mod is for static data |
| 04:15.35 | JademusSreg | And assets. |
| 04:15.40 | Dogmai | I want to see this; http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2647548/ |
| 04:15.42 | ArcanePariah | same deal, static files |
| 04:15.57 | Frinckles | It's neat actually, Metamorphs are a real thing in the SC universe (no reference to the mod) they're just never elaborated on. |
| 04:15.59 | JademusSreg | Frink, make one map first, preserve ambition. |
| 04:16.12 | Frinckles | Smart. :P It's hard though. so many ideas. |
| 04:16.13 | Frinckles | haha |
| 04:16.15 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, don't risk burnout |
| 04:16.32 | Dogmai | Tofu was called ui_test.sc2map for like the first 6 months or year |
| 04:16.42 | Dogmai | cause that is how it started, i started with the UI |
| 04:16.45 | Dogmai | and the core engine |
| 04:16.51 | JademusSreg | still has yet to figure out how to provide GUI wrappers for some galaxy script systems. |
| 04:17.11 | Ahli | your idea reminds me on a campaign that I played on SCBW... you played the beginning of the Zerg where you start with a drone and assimilate other units one by one during the mission |
| 04:17.24 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, 2nd BW mission |
| 04:17.25 | Ahli | *missions |
| 04:17.28 | Frinckles | Do you guys think it would be fun to play? |
| 04:17.38 | JademusSreg | GUI doesn't like funcref. |
| 04:17.41 | Frinckles | A lot of people dislike playing as Zerg. :/ |
| 04:17.49 | Wrath | No, no it does not. |
| 04:17.58 | Wrath | Methinks it impossible, Jademus. |
| 04:18.01 | Ahli | well, I played a whole fanmade campaign with that ^^ but I think it was German |
| 04:18.15 | JademusSreg | I may have a solution, Wrath. Just need to dig a bit. |
| 04:18.27 | ArcanePariah | I would like it Frinckles, seems a heck of lot more open ended and sandboxy, which is usually fun for most people. The trick is providing things that are simple but a large sample of ways to go about things |
| 04:18.29 | Wrath | I have... |
| 04:18.30 | Ahli | you can put custom script in GUI... that should like it |
| 04:18.32 | Frinckles | Well at least I can count on Ahli to play. :) |
| 04:18.34 | Wrath | Mehh |
| 04:18.35 | Wrath | No |
| 04:19.10 | Frinckles | That's good advice Arcane. I always enjoyed sandbox games the most. |
| 04:19.37 | ArcanePariah | Examples of simple but good sandbox IMO: Minecraft and Crysis 1 (1st half ofthe game) |
| 04:19.56 | Dogmai | so good news |
| 04:20.07 | Dogmai | one of my ducks is finally sitting on her eggs |
| 04:20.09 | Frinckles | :P Oh yes. I worked with a developer on a mod for Minecraft that gave server owners RPG elements. |
| 04:20.10 | Ahli | the editor is my sandbox :X |
| 04:20.13 | Dogmai | ~ 14 eggs |
| 04:20.19 | Dogmai | I am gonna have ducklings |
| 04:20.21 | Dogmai | :D |
| 04:20.24 | ArcanePariah | Nice |
| 04:20.28 | Frinckles | AND breakfast! |
| 04:20.33 | Dogmai | no -_- |
| 04:20.35 | Frinckles | :D |
| 04:20.37 | Dogmai | no ducks for breakfast |
| 04:20.40 | Dogmai | ducks are a dinner meal |
| 04:21.02 | Dogmai | I have another 6 eggs in an incubator |
| 04:21.30 | Dogmai | They are show stock pekin ducks |
| 04:21.37 | Dogmai | And I have a muscovy |
| 04:21.42 | Dogmai | I want to get some more though |
| 04:21.45 | ArcanePariah | Random question, is the Campagin section in the data editor just basically nicely prettied up data types to be used, like User Types? |
| 04:21.52 | Dogmai | Like a pair of applyyards |
| 04:22.06 | Dogmai | appleyards* |
| 04:22.36 | Ahli | no idea... I blend out everything in the editor that I don't use and won't ever use ;X |
| 04:23.05 | JademusSreg | Arc, correct. |
| 04:23.11 | ArcanePariah | Because it almost seems like that it was meant to be used, but in WoL they never used it, only in HotS did they use it, and only as a database reference of sorts |
| 04:23.17 | ArcanePariah | Ok |
| 04:23.58 | ArcanePariah | So in short, useless, only useful if it fits a User Type you want to use, otherwise roll your own |
| 04:24.04 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 04:25.07 | ArcanePariah | Also another thing that bugged me way back when, can you customized the result screen or not? Theier is a section for doing it, but I never could get it to do anything |
| 04:27.01 | Wrath | I don't think so. |
| 04:27.14 | Wrath | What you're thinking of is the built in leaderboard, and that's just a dialog thingy or something. |
| 04:27.17 | Wrath | An ugly one at that. |
| 04:27.41 | Wrath | Hey Jademus, did you say you know what Batch and BatchText do? |
| 04:27.44 | Dogmai | It is super easy to make a leaderboard |
| 04:27.53 | JademusSreg | Score Results and such are data types, but since I've never given a shit about the post-game score screen, I've not tinkered with them. |
| 04:28.44 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, leaderboard are easy, its the Score results i was tinkering with |
| 04:29.28 | ArcanePariah | It is frustrating when it seems like you can edit stuff, but not really (Achievements, why bother if they only really work on Blizzard signed maps?) |
| 04:29.30 | Necromoni | can people check the triggers in someone else's map if downloaded via arcade? |
| 04:29.51 | JademusSreg | Wrath, they are used for batch processing of sub-elements, and those sub-elements tend to not be accessible to or manipulated by the API. |
| 04:30.02 | Wrath | What do you mean by batch processing? |
| 04:30.37 | JademusSreg | For instance, the frame that displays the game world batch processes all the unit status frames. |
| 04:31.01 | Wrath | Hmmm. |
| 04:31.04 | Wrath | I'm not sure I get it. |
| 04:31.28 | ArcanePariah | Instead of them being updated independently, all are updated at once, keeps game in sync I guess |
| 04:31.33 | JademusSreg | Open up the in-game UI editor, and see how many unit status frames are in the world ui frame. |
| 04:31.35 | Wrath | Ah |
| 04:31.43 | Wrath | Hmm. |
| 04:31.46 | Wrath | I ask because |
| 04:31.47 | ArcanePariah | So each game loop, all are updated |
| 04:31.55 | Wrath | I managed to set the text of my Unit Status Player Name label |
| 04:32.01 | Wrath | (Get Text returns the updated text) |
| 04:32.08 | Wrath | But it is not changing the display |
| 04:32.19 | Wrath | It shows as changed in a text message but not actually over the unit |
| 04:33.34 | Wrath | Would Batch/Batch Text have anything to do with that? |
| 04:34.57 | JademusSreg | It probably won't do anything if added to a frame that doesn't already have it. |
| 04:35.14 | JademusSreg | But I've not tested it specifically. |
| 04:35.16 | Wrath | Hmmmm |
| 04:35.23 | Wrath | Do you know any way to make the label update? |
| 04:35.25 | JademusSreg | Only noting the pattern in how it is applied. |
| 04:36.10 | Dogmai | I want some Khaki Campbell ducks |
| 04:36.13 | JademusSreg | Sounds like a familiar issue. |
| 04:36.16 | Dogmai | But they are selling them for $40 each |
| 04:36.25 | Dogmai | That is like twice the standard price |
| 04:36.43 | Dogmai | I want some Cayuga Ducks too |
| 04:36.52 | Dogmai | But they are the same price -_- |
| 04:37.24 | JademusSreg | May be related to the asynchronous quality of the interface. |
| 04:37.44 | Dogmai | So if I get 14 ducklings |
| 04:37.59 | Dogmai | I could sell them off and get some different ducks |
| 04:38.16 | JademusSreg | A duck-based economy? |
| 04:38.21 | Dogmai | Quack |
| 04:38.34 | Dogmai | Quackactly |
| 04:38.50 | JademusSreg | Exquacktly. |
| 04:38.51 | Dogmai | There is a lot of money to be made in hobby farms here |
| 04:38.56 | Dogmai | Mine works better |
| 04:38.57 | Wrath | lol |
| 04:38.59 | Wrath | Nah |
| 04:39.01 | Wrath | I like Jademus's :P |
| 04:39.11 | Dogmai | Like you can buy a cow for $500 and get around $2000 worth of meat |
| 04:39.30 | Dogmai | I wanted to put a cow in my backyard but the government would crack the shits |
| 04:39.33 | Dogmai | Not enough land |
| 04:40.29 | Wrath | Hmmmmmmmm |
| 04:40.37 | Wrath | The label is inside a panel |
| 04:40.40 | JademusSreg | Makes sense. Labor is the arthritic, uninsured backbone of economies. |
| 04:40.49 | JademusSreg | Wrath, yesss. |
| 04:40.50 | Wrath | I suppose the panel will be the part checked for visibility |
| 04:40.57 | Wrath | I will just get rid of the label and add my own |
| 04:40.59 | Wrath | See how that works. |
| 04:41.01 | Dogmai | Learning a lot from the lower social economic class :) |
| 04:41.29 | Dogmai | I grew up in a rich area, I hate those kinds of people |
| 04:41.34 | Dogmai | Heads so far up their asses |
| 04:41.42 | Dogmai | It is rare to find a down to earth person in that area you know |
| 04:41.55 | Dogmai | If the world ended tomorrow, yeah, they are gonna die pretty fast |
| 04:42.09 | ArcanePariah | Mhmm, I know the feeling, currently in a rich place and yeah... arrogance is pretty common |
| 04:42.14 | Dogmai | I like the way of thinking here, even if most people drink too much, do too many drugs etc |
| 04:42.23 | ArcanePariah | #First World Problems |
| 04:42.24 | Dogmai | They are good people who know how to survive |
| 04:42.28 | Dogmai | lol |
| 04:42.54 | Dogmai | See if I was a billionaire, I would like on a farm, making computer games |
| 04:43.00 | Dogmai | Best of both worlds |
| 04:43.09 | JademusSreg | I tend not to hate people; not out of any misplaced sense of piety or good manners, but rather because hate is a passionate antagonistic relationship, and I'm all kinds of not giving a shit. |
| 04:43.26 | Dogmai | ^ that |
| 04:43.30 | Dogmai | bad choice of words on my part |
| 04:45.11 | JademusSreg | I'd be willing to hate an especially formidable and sexy/handsome adversary, though. It could be an intoxicating black-hearted romance. http://youtu.be/gX2eEICejB0 |
| 04:48.55 | JademusSreg | returns to building a stool out of a broken stool and a broken chair. |
| 04:49.01 | ArcanePariah | I find it intersting that you can use the UI editor to edit the UI of the ingame UI editor |
| 04:49.48 | Wrath | Wow, this sucks. |
| 04:49.56 | Wrath | Create in Panel does not work. |
| 04:49.59 | Wrath | For this. |
| 04:50.20 | Wrath | What is even the point of having this dang hookup unit status if it is useless? |
| 04:58.35 | Wrath | UGGGH |
| 04:58.43 | Wrath | Obviously it exists just to make me think that I can do things that I can't |
| 05:09.37 | ArcanePariah | Hmm. the Tactical AI functions are kind of intersting, the Sentry AI is pretty effective |
| 05:11.36 | ArcanePariah | Also interesting to see what AI functions were left out, like the game AI will never cast Mass Recall on the mothership |
| 05:11.44 | ArcanePariah | Code is there, but commented out |
| 05:17.59 | JademusSreg | Good to see you dig deeply; many users don't seem to even be aware of tactical AI functions or tactical AI data. |
| 05:19.16 | JademusSreg | After I build this stool, I should follow up research on getting funcref working in GUI. |
| 05:19.55 | JademusSreg | Or better yet, a typedef feature. |
| 05:20.44 | JademusSreg | GUI is currently limited to unproblematic types that can't even threaten to throw a syntax error. |
| 05:21.01 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, I use tactical AI a bit in NotD, I intend to write my own for NotD 2 |
| 05:21.19 | ArcanePariah | One faction is slated to be weak in firepower but heavy on teamwork and skill usage |
| 05:21.47 | ArcanePariah | So players can stand and fight, but turtling/camping for long periods won't work, they will be flanked and driven out |
| 05:23.19 | JademusSreg | Hm. I think I have notd around here somewhere. |
| 05:25.43 | ArcanePariah | Yeah, its a WIP still, still goign back and rewriting stuff |
| 05:30.25 | JademusSreg | Ah, nope, I don't have it here. But I may grab the code later and check it out. |
| 05:35.19 | ArcanePariah | You will want to grab NotD UNSTABLE, its the one with the latest code that we do testing on |
| 05:41.07 | Wrath | Ugggggh |
| 05:41.15 | Wrath | I can set the color of this label, but setting the style makes it disappear. |
| 05:42.02 | JademusSreg | Probably the style makes the text too large for the frame. |
| 05:47.06 | Necromoni | Anyone figured out what causes the loading screen crashes? |
| 05:47.24 | Necromoni | I belive it's Blizzard's Signature in bank files, but idk. |
| 05:47.32 | JademusSreg | Dunno, but Hobrow had a similar issue. |
| 05:47.57 | Necromoni | My friend doesnt use blizzard's signature and his map never crashes, but games that do always tend to crash |
| 05:48.44 | Necromoni | Anyone can go against that? |
| 05:49.46 | JademusSreg | Try a google search with term site:sc2mapster.com loading crash |
| 05:50.15 | Necromoni | I only find speculations, but I guess I could look again |
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| 06:29.59 | ArcanePariah | Interesting news, the Blizzard desktop client in open beta now |
| 06:30.10 | JademusSreg | Woo. |
| 06:30.24 | ArcanePariah | http://dist.blizzard.com/downloads/bna-installers/322d5bb9ae0318de3d4cde7641c96425/beta.3/Battle.net-Beta-Setup-enGB.exe |
| 06:30.31 | ArcanePariah | Download link |
| 06:31.47 | JademusSreg | May not be apparent from the text, but I was aiming for flat unenthusiastic celebration. |
| 06:32.14 | ArcanePariah | I know, but for whoever wants it, might as well provide the link |
| 06:56.28 | Frinckles | I'm back from the dead. |
| 06:57.04 | Frinckles | And I made a tumblr blog to keep up with my map development. im weird. |
| 07:13.14 | JademusSreg | Congrats. |
| 07:14.10 | JademusSreg | May have a lead on getting funcrefs into GUI, which I'll explore further later. With some XML manipulation, it may be possible. |
| 07:33.03 | Frinckles | @Arcane need your opinion on something. |
| 07:33.28 | Frinckles | Oh, nevermind. Everyone is sleeping. |
| 07:41.53 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 07:44.17 | Frinckles | Jade |
| 07:44.18 | Frinckles | Halp |
| 07:44.42 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 07:45.20 | Frinckles | Have you played Hots? |
| 07:45.28 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 07:45.32 | Frinckles | Okay |
| 07:45.46 | Frinckles | Well, does this make you happy? :D http://abamorph.tumblr.com/ |
| 07:46.03 | Frinckles | It's my dev blog for my new map, but don't worry about any of that~ I just made a funny header for it. lol |
| 07:47.31 | JademusSreg | Cute. |
| 07:48.10 | Frinckles | lol just for kicks. |
| 07:48.13 | Frinckles | imma head to sleep though |
| 07:48.22 | Frinckles | night anyone still alive & Jade |
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| 09:06.06 | Dogmai | dustin |
| 09:06.07 | Dogmai | awake? |
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| 10:16.41 | duckies | hey G0A, what's up? |
| 10:48.13 | G0A | nothing |
| 10:48.43 | duckies | so idea to create a survival map didn't develop? |
| 10:49.31 | G0A | I am lazy |
| 10:50.58 | duckies | I can relate :D |
| 10:53.39 | duckies | though in my case it's rather not wanting to make a lasting commitment. I feel tired of old map, so the cure would be to start something new, but anything I'll do will take at least 2 or more months (in extremely optimistic situation), and I don't want that |
| 10:53.51 | duckies | so I just have no clue how to fix myself |
| 10:54.15 | duckies | thus I somehow ended reading "brawe new world" to pass the time |
| 10:56.15 | duckies | *brave |
| 10:56.34 | G0A | :) |
| 10:56.52 | G0A | yeah need to make small maps.D |
| 10:57.19 | duckies | something quick doable withing a week woulb be the best |
| 10:57.24 | G0A | I will probably do that before making my fucking kickass survival map |
| 10:58.14 | duckies | how awesome would it be if there was some sort of iniciative to do it |
| 10:58.30 | duckies | a contest/event for example :D |
| 10:58.48 | duckies | I just like seeing what other ppl come up with |
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| 11:00.08 | G0A | :D |
| 11:00.12 | G0A | you know |
| 11:00.16 | G0A | we can always do that |
| 11:01.07 | G0A | though I never really liked these things, as there is noway to check that you really done everything under x time |
| 11:02.08 | duckies | yeah, the only way is to only care about what you've done and treat other submissions as a bonus. |
| 11:02.27 | duckies | anyways, it's amusing to look at raw unpolished stuff :D |
| 11:04.56 | duckies | if we were to do it, how would we do it? Set up a theme? Have rules/guidelines? Or just let it be "an experimentation week to explore owns limits, to see what can be done in a week and how finished part will differ from initial design" |
| 11:05.21 | G0A | dont know |
| 11:05.22 | duckies | though I'm a fan of themes, it's always cool to see how different people take on the same theme |
| 11:06.06 | G0A | I need a kickass simple idea.D |
| 11:07.16 | duckies | "theme: burning trees! now go make a map! " |
| 11:07.44 | duckies | replace "trees" with "sheep" for more success |
| 11:08.07 | duckies | and "burning" with "cannibalistic" |
| 11:08.16 | duckies | okay.. I'll shut up now ,_, |
| 11:08.48 | G0A | hmm |
| 11:09.05 | G0A | I might just make my simple kodo tag like map.... |
| 11:10.02 | duckies | can you make it in a week? |
| 11:12.43 | duckies | I guess what I want is a ludum dare for mapping to ward off the stress |
| 11:13.19 | duckies | where is zolden when you need kickass ideas :/ |
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| 11:22.27 | Dogmai | duckies: what you want |
| 11:22.36 | G0A | hmm I think I will make a hero arena map |
| 11:22.44 | G0A | under 1-2 day:) |
| 11:22.53 | Dogmai | we made evo wars in less than a week |
| 11:23.05 | Dogmai | we have a list of like half a dozen games we want to make |
| 11:23.13 | Dogmai | that would take a week to do each |
| 11:26.39 | duckies | dogmai, I want a theme for a map, something that would make me go "hm, this is interesting, I think I'll try it out and see what I can do". Something that has a chance of attracting others to make attempts |
| 11:27.07 | Dogmai | do a game where you control little robots called developers |
| 11:27.19 | Dogmai | who have to feed sheep called players |
| 11:27.29 | G0A | there are no good hero arena map (similar to the W3 ones) yet in SC2 so I will make one. |
| 11:27.31 | Dogmai | whilst trying to defend themselves from the system, called the arcade |
| 11:27.44 | G0A | :D |
| 11:27.45 | Dogmai | i think that would work |
| 11:27.50 | Dogmai | seriously |
| 11:27.55 | Dogmai | part trolling of the concept, but it would work |
| 11:28.01 | Dogmai | be a fun game |
| 11:28.06 | duckies | way better than endless fruitless ranting on forums ^^ |
| 11:28.53 | Dogmai | well thats it |
| 11:29.02 | Dogmai | not only would it be a fun game to play |
| 11:29.04 | Dogmai | it proves a point |
| 11:31.57 | duckies | G0A, the only hero arena that can be made under 2 days is one where all the abilities you have are called "rock" paper" & "scissors" and all combat is based on that >.> |
| 11:32.35 | duckies | hmm.. that got me thinking, "rage" could be an interesting theme |
| 11:35.09 | duckies | what do you think, could you make a rage-influenced/themed map in a week? |
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| 11:35.51 | duckies | even if it's just a random swear-word generator would be fine by me :D |
| 11:36.59 | duckies | a blank map with civilian units called "mappers" throwing molotovs at data core unit called "arcade" would pass too :D |
| 11:37.20 | duckies | sh*t, emoticon overuse, sorry |
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| 11:38.28 | G0A | duckies there wouldnt be much abilities for start... |
| 11:42.21 | duckies | what kind of hero doesn't have abilities?.. then they would be like heroes in HeavenBesieged, and we can't have that, can we G0A? :D |
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| 11:46.34 | G0A | duckies you will be able to choose the abilities for the hero.... |
| 11:47.59 | duckies | I see |
| 11:48.16 | duckies | what are you thinking about? |
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| 12:11.05 | Ahli | http://us.battle.net/d3/en/reaper-of-souls/ what? |
| 12:12.38 | duckies | cool find ahli, I suppose we now know what d3exp1 will be about |
| 12:13.34 | Ahli | indeed |
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| 12:15.25 | SaVi | hey all |
| 12:15.36 | Ahli | Sixen: go make a video about your assumptions about that... you know a lot about Blizzard's lore... gogo ^^ |
| 12:18.25 | SaVi | I want to create a ability which calls 3 launch pads filled with marines to the ground, when I create a persistant with offset he wont count in the facing of the target, right? So the rotation of the unit wont change the points? |
| 12:18.55 | duckies | It should be something like "on day xx of month yy year zzzz Softcore without any announcements will be replaced by Hardcore game mode, then at last, death shall spread its wings over all, have fun" |
| 12:19.09 | duckies | then I'd play d3 again :D |
| 12:19.22 | Ahli | if you set the fallback unit to source, then it will be... if you set it to something wrong, it's angle is pointing south |
| 12:19.48 | Ahli | I think it was called fallback... it's below the caster and target fields |
| 12:21.15 | SaVi | "Offset Facing Fallback", thanks Ahli |
| 12:22.06 | SaVi | But I dont need to set a effect there? |
| 12:25.21 | Ahli | set effect where? |
| 12:27.58 | SaVi | "Offset Facing Fallback" --> there is a field for a effect and then the location |
| 12:29.42 | SaVi | gonna try it, if it doesnt work I will come back crying ;) |
| 12:30.27 | Ahli | ah, the effect is specifying which effect's caster/target it uses |
| 12:31.16 | SaVi | But I use multiple effects, 3 periods 3 different effects |
| 12:32.08 | Ahli | in most cases you don't set any effect there as you want to just use this effect's caster and target |
| 12:32.26 | Ahli | every caster/target field has that feature... |
| 12:32.28 | SaVi | ah |
| 12:32.34 | SaVi | okay |
| 12:33.32 | Ahli | for example, you need it when you spawn a missile above the ground and then order it to fall down to the ground via a launch effect. then it needs to reference the offset persistent's point and the initial target point of the ability |
| 12:34.36 | Ahli | that might require a dummy set that is executed first to store the target as the persistent changes its target/caster... |
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| 12:35.59 | SaVi | ^^ |
| 12:36.09 | SaVi | easiest example ever :D |
| 12:36.43 | Ahli | yes... I'm good at finding easy examples |
| 12:37.03 | SaVi | So If I have multiple effects and I want that only ONE of them uses the fallback source, I set it there and the rest wont use it, right? |
| 12:37.20 | SaVi | thats how I understood it^^ |
| 12:37.48 | Ahli | the fallback source unit defines the rotation for all offsets of that persistent |
| 12:38.26 | SaVi | mhh then I still dont understand the use of this single effect :'( |
| 12:38.29 | Ahli | so, it defines in which direction on the screen a "-3" offset into the Y direction will perform... |
| 12:38.35 | SaVi | ye |
| 12:38.36 | G0A | duckies I was looking for map ideas and I found this epic nostalgia http://acidcow.com/pics/17659-games-102-pics.html |
| 12:38.43 | Ahli | you can offset things into the direction of the unit... |
| 12:38.56 | Ahli | -3 would be a bit in front of the unit |
| 12:38.59 | Ahli | as y |
| 12:39.18 | SaVi | ye |
| 12:39.22 | Ahli | if you have no valid fallback unit, this would go into the south direction instead |
| 12:40.00 | Ahli | (also, the direction is updated when the unit moves.... so it can control the persistent) |
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| 12:40.47 | Ahli | (I'm using a spawned dummy unit to remove that effect as it is not desired in most use cases) |
| 12:41.17 | SaVi | ^^ |
| 12:41.24 | SaVi | hints from the master :) |
| 12:43.17 | SaVi | Im a bit used to the data editor but still a noob ^^ |
| 12:43.25 | SaVi | So many fields are still unknown for me |
| 12:45.38 | SaVi | For example the precursor, blizzards uses this behaviour but it does nothing |
| 12:47.59 | Ahli | disable attack, suppress movement, suppress turning, invulnerable, no draw, uncommandable, untargetable, unselectable is nothing? |
| 12:48.19 | Ahli | it's gray because it's an entry of the core mod |
| 12:49.01 | SaVi | oh thats embarrassing for me not noticing it XD |
| 12:49.23 | Ahli | ^^ |
| 12:49.38 | SaVi | grrr...^^ |
| 12:49.48 | Ahli | it would be odd if you would see a second unit where the precursor is... |
| 12:51.41 | SaVi | at least the secret about this behaviour is solved |
| 12:53.15 | duckies | that's quite nostalgiv f0a |
| 12:53.38 | duckies | I can't belive I misspelled your name, shame on me |
| 12:53.40 | Ahli | indee30lg |
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| 12:58.26 | SaVi | the most I do is Try and Error :D |
| 12:58.39 | SaVi | and mostly more error than try XD |
| 13:00.28 | Ahli | that's how I started, too ^^ |
| 13:02.09 | Ahli | I hate it when sc2 whines about starter edition when I'm in the login menu because I had to quit the map to save the interface |
| 13:02.38 | SaVi | ye thats really annoying |
| 13:03.19 | SaVi | the funniest thing was that he whined about starter edition because my windows time wasnt correct xD |
| 13:03.34 | Ahli | what? :D |
| 13:03.50 | SaVi | ye that was a weird bug, only some people had it, me included xD |
| 13:04.16 | SaVi | wasnt able to play untill I found out how to fix it |
| 13:08.40 | SaVi | omg |
| 13:08.46 | SaVi | what the fuck just happened in my map xD |
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| 14:17.34 | SaVi | my units still remain invisible/hidden or something after landing .. |
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| 14:46.39 | Fate_afk | hey all i have a problem: I have an instand ability: when select multible units with that ability, and order them to use the abil, one one unit uses always. |
| 14:47.34 | Fate_afk | what is okey but want the untis to rotate the caster when using the abil multible times |
| 14:47.57 | Fate_afk | someon can help? |
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| 15:08.21 | Fate_afk | or in other words: is there a way to rotate the "best unit" witch is refert to in the flags? |
| 15:12.03 | Vailreth | im sorry other than some how disabling the each unit that casts from casting again i dont know, |
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| 15:14.31 | Ahli | best unit is the closest unit |
| 15:15.04 | Fate_afk | hm |
| 15:15.18 | Ahli | so no... :S |
| 15:16.06 | Fate_afk | is there an other way to make the abil been casted by only one unit |
| 15:16.20 | Fate_afk | with not using the best unit flag? |
| 15:17.51 | Ahli | not sure :S |
| 15:19.06 | Ahli | fate, I'm only silver in ladder right now :< |
| 15:19.16 | Fate_afk | XD |
| 15:19.54 | Fate_ | well i dont have much fun in gold^^ |
| 15:22.10 | Fate_ | well ur at least better then the 8 % bronze players |
| 15:27.54 | Fate_ | damm i realy want to solve this instand cast problem today... |
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| 15:37.04 | Ahli | there are players in platin that are terrible :X |
| 15:37.18 | Ahli | a zerg that never got more than 40 drones |
| 15:37.38 | Fate_ | what race u play ahli? |
| 15:37.46 | Ahli | all |
| 15:38.21 | Ahli | I have no specific race. I have no build orders... I just play |
| 15:38.34 | Dustin|Work | ^ |
| 15:38.44 | Dustin|Work | Build Orders are for looooooosers |
| 15:39.07 | Fate_ | well sc2 is to much therory |
| 15:39.16 | Ahli | not for me :D |
| 15:39.21 | Dustin|Work | SC2 is skillz |
| 15:39.26 | Fate_ | u have to know to much to play good |
| 15:39.29 | Dustin|Work | People who try to theory craft are lame |
| 15:39.32 | Dustin|Work | :D |
| 15:39.45 | Ahli | yeah... it's already lame enough that we use hotkeys |
| 15:42.13 | Vailreth | hm does any one know of a way either through triggers or data to refresh the unit status pannel? |
| 15:42.40 | Ahli | refresh? |
| 15:42.44 | Ahli | what's there to refresh? |
| 15:43.00 | Ahli | maybe change unit woner |
| 15:43.16 | Vailreth | say you want to hide a weapon and show another |
| 15:43.36 | Dustin|Work | remove the old weapon and add the new one |
| 15:44.00 | Vailreth | thats not what i want |
| 15:44.20 | Vailreth | i need both weapons on the unit just one disabled and hidden when the other is active |
| 15:44.25 | Ahli | catalog-edit the weapon flag? :X |
| 15:44.37 | Ahli | you really need to remove it in the mean time, I assume |
| 15:44.58 | Vailreth | why? |
| 15:44.58 | Ahli | or wait |
| 15:44.58 | Ahli | behaviors can add weapons |
| 15:45.09 | Ahli | just make the weapon added via behavior and remove the behavior... that should work |
| 15:45.39 | Vailreth | that would render the whole exercise moot... |
| 15:45.43 | Ahli | I don't think you can just hide a weapon... it would be disabled then... hiding is only a flag in the weapon itself :S |
| 15:45.58 | Vailreth | right |
| 15:46.02 | Ahli | so it's either not existent or disabled or always hidden |
| 15:46.43 | Vailreth | i can disable and hide a weapon with upgrades BUT a weapon hidden after initaliazing the stat display doesnt get hidden |
| 15:47.03 | Vailreth | so i have theorized refreshing or reinitializing the dispay would show the change |
| 15:47.29 | Ahli | tried deselect + select actions? |
| 15:47.53 | Vailreth | i think its a part of the actor that needs to be refreshed |
| 15:48.08 | Vailreth | but yes |
| 15:50.10 | Vailreth | if it comes down to it i will just juggle the weapons by adding and removing |
| 15:59.09 | Fate_ | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/9662346244 |
| 15:59.25 | Fate_ | maybee if someone has time.. |
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| 16:05.39 | Eimtr | jello |
| 16:06.38 | Eimtr | so who can tell me of a behavior or effect that does the same as Change Unit Height at X seconds? I want to use it for both increase and decrease height |
| 16:10.14 | Eimtr | ? |
| 16:11.04 | Fate_ | it did not work with triggers?^^ |
| 16:11.55 | Eimtr | No, I want to apply a behavior to unit to change its height.. |
| 16:14.50 | Vailreth | are you chaning the height of a ground or flying unit? |
| 16:16.25 | Fate_ | you maybee can use a launch missle effect |
| 16:19.54 | Eimtr | actually i have a better idea, because i want a unit when pressing a key to increase height, if it has behavior and i press key again to stop increasing height |
| 16:20.12 | Eimtr | for that i can use a dummy behavior and still use the trigger to chaneg height |
| 16:20.49 | Eimtr | then my question is, can i somehow display with a behavior the change of t he height any second? like a counter |
| 16:21.18 | Eimtr | let's say can i have in the info of the behavior the height changing as some form of a height counter? |
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| 16:24.24 | Eimtr | or maybe using catalog trigger can i somehow make the behavior info display the height change every second? |
| 16:27.32 | Fate_ | whay not use trigger for that? |
| 16:27.56 | Fate_ | i mean why do u need a beh |
| 16:28.31 | Eimtr | cause i want to have it somewhere on the unit's panel you know, where you show the buff/behavior under which the unit is |
| 16:28.45 | Eimtr | beh? |
| 16:28.48 | Eimtr | a |
| 16:29.06 | Fate_ | behavior |
| 16:29.11 | Eimtr | because i want to have it like a demonstrated effect or buff under which the unit is |
| 16:30.10 | Eimtr | to display as a buff.. ofc if ther is no behavior that can do that i could simply make some dialog with invis text and all and just have the text position exactly at the behavior |
| 16:31.06 | Eimtr | i just want this change to be seen above the wireframe where behaviors are |
| 16:32.33 | Eimtr | okay it seems there is no behavior that can do it, i will try the counter with triggs, which is the best way to make a text where only if you highlight it, it will display the text (like behaviors)? Dialog or some other text trigger? |
| 16:33.03 | Fate_ | no clue i am not good with dialogs^^ |
| 16:34.09 | Eimtr | ok gonna try it |
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| 16:35.21 | Fate_ | maybe this will help u http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/triggers/30419-attach-text-tag-to-unit/ |
| 16:36.11 | Fate_ | hm is was not solved^^ |
| 16:36.34 | Eimtr | the unit will fly off the visible camera, i wont see the unit at all lol |
| 16:36.54 | Fate_ | well then i would use dialogs |
| 16:37.00 | Eimtr | no worries gonna try it, as i said i want thbis displayed where t he behavior is |
| 16:45.43 | Sixen | ahli: yeah I'm considering doing a video ^^ |
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| 16:52.50 | Fate_ | ahh fuck this, again a problem unsolved |
| 16:53.51 | Ahli | god, how to fix the mouse cursor texture??? sc2 f*cked it up |
| 16:54.03 | Ahli | now I closed sc2 and it is still broken o0 |
| 16:54.08 | Fate_ | XD |
| 16:54.44 | Ahli | it's repeating the first few pixels 7 more times |
| 16:54.52 | Ahli | instead of showing the whole image once |
| 16:55.31 | A1win | a friend of mine had that same problem once, but he says he never figured out what caused it |
| 16:56.01 | Ahli | sixen, when you make it, give me the link. I would like to watch it and your interpretation. Also, notice that there are numbers on the door and a snake like figure in the bottom left corner... I think that's all people found out atm. |
| 16:56.19 | Ahli | I think 2.0.11 has a fix for that |
| 16:57.56 | Ahli | oh no, it hasnt, damned |
| 16:58.06 | Ahli | then it was in known problems or something |
| 16:58.25 | sc2MapsterKitten | meows |
| 16:59.52 | sc2MapsterKitten | it's all people found out about what? |
| 17:06.55 | Dogmai | currently at page 22 of 65 of my podcasts |
| 17:06.58 | Dogmai | zomg, my voice |
| 17:08.59 | nicketh | Is there any way to have different UI elements open for different players? For instance, have player one have a player interface but player two would have something like an observer interface? (Without dialogs) |
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| 17:11.54 | Helral | can't think of a method. |
| 17:12.02 | Helral | without using dialogs that is. |
| 17:12.11 | nicketh | Yeah I agree |
| 17:12.28 | nicketh | sadface. |
| 17:12.36 | Helral | they could have the same elements open with different looks. |
| 17:13.24 | Helral | ow you could ofcourse hide specific user interface parts. |
| 17:13.47 | nicketh | but could you choose which parts are available? |
| 17:14.13 | Helral | take a look at the Show/Hide UI Frame trigger action, might be useful for it. |
| 17:14.25 | nicketh | ok cool |
| 17:14.52 | nicketh | I mean my biggest priority is making it seperate for two different types of players |
| 17:15.10 | nicketh | and you think that isn't possible? |
| 17:22.08 | nicketh | Ok, well thanks a lot Helral, I'll take a look at that trigger action-and thanks a ton for your tutorials they've been really great :p |
| 17:28.52 | djphiliptan | Hey Ahli, are you there? Got a quick question about the GameHeart observer UI |
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| 17:32.46 | Ahli | djphiliptan: yes |
| 17:32.51 | Frinckles | Hai |
| 17:34.01 | djphiliptan | Ahli: I was wondering if you'd be okay with me looking at and re-using the code for the upgrades display in the GH Obs UI. I've got some ideas about reintroducing pips in observer UI and want to try them out |
| 17:34.17 | Frinckles | @Ahli I made a silly dev blog to keep up with my map. :) http://abamorph.tumblr.com/ |
| 17:34.52 | Ahli | pips? |
| 17:35.20 | djphiliptan | The original GameHeart had white little dots besides the upgrade icons |
| 17:35.49 | Ahli | yeah... not really possible... funny pic frinckles :D ahhh great carbot memory http://31.media.tumblr.com/229a19d2c0da74018ee5706d53f589a4/tumblr_mgnkguZ7CQ1rdsll7o1_400.gif |
| 17:36.05 | Frinckles | Haha |
| 17:36.07 | A1win | http://us.battle.net/d3/en/reaper-of-souls/ |
| 17:36.09 | Ahli | djphiliptan: the upgrades are using the label to show the armor/weapon upgrades |
| 17:36.10 | Frinckles | Abathur's COOOL blog. |
| 17:36.35 | djphiliptan | So I was thinking whether the label font could be changed. If so, it could be replaced with a custom font |
| 17:36.41 | Ahli | the other ones are hidden as their label is empty. That hiding is done with some clever anchoring |
| 17:37.20 | djphiliptan | I could generate a font that is just dots for characters 1-9. |
| 17:37.21 | Ahli | so, pips aren't really possible unless you are able to alter the used font and show pips instead of "1", "2" and "3" |
| 17:37.31 | Ahli | also the font would need to show the length... |
| 17:37.32 | djphiliptan | yeah, that's basically what I'm thinking |
| 17:37.58 | djphiliptan | length of...? |
| 17:38.20 | Ahli | the width of the icons is the length of the 1/2/3 letter |
| 17:38.39 | Ahli | I'm using a big font number for the width you can see |
| 17:38.49 | djphiliptan | ah |
| 17:39.10 | Ahli | the icons have the size of the labels... approximately at least |
| 17:39.23 | Ahli | and the label has the size of its content |
| 17:39.45 | djphiliptan | since they're truetype/opentype fonts, I think I could make a font that would have the right width but a small actual dot |
| 17:40.09 | djphiliptan | anyway, I just wanted to experiment with this idea on your GH Obs code and I wondered if that was okay |
| 17:40.18 | Ahli | sure that's fine :D |
| 17:40.23 | djphiliptan | :D |
| 17:40.25 | djphiliptan | Thanks |
| 17:40.50 | Ahli | when the font works well enough, I'm going to integrate it into my interface and give credit |
| 17:41.04 | djphiliptan | I will totally give you all my code if any of it works |
| 17:41.34 | Ahli | well, that change doesn't require much code changes ^^ just the label's height I assume, so it becomes visible. |
| 17:41.52 | Ahli | atm it has a height of 500 I believe |
| 17:42.05 | djphiliptan | good to know! |
| 17:42.38 | Ahli | the label is in the template somewhere at the top |
| 17:43.42 | djphiliptan | Just downloaded 1.61 |
| 17:45.00 | djphiliptan | There's a comment in your code that says "THIS DOES MAGIC" :D |
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| 17:48.13 | Ahli | yeah. that's the empty label that perfectly hides the other upgrade frames which have the size of an empty label, too |
| 17:48.51 | Ahli | before, I had problems with a static offset. If the offset was wrong, you could see 1 pixel wide upgrade icons |
| 17:49.01 | Frinckles | Anyone around super good with banks? ^_^; |
| 17:49.01 | djphiliptan | I remember that screenshot |
| 17:49.15 | Ahli | yeah, and it was dependent on the resolution used |
| 17:53.24 | Dustin|Work | <A1win> http://us.battle.net/d3/en/reaper-of-souls/ <-- :O Bad Expansion time? |
| 17:54.24 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
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| 17:58.10 | Eimtr | ahem im trying to do something: A key is pressed, if the unit doesnt have a specific behavior. that behavior is added to the unit, Change Unit Height to e.g 10 at X seconds, but if it has a behavior, then pressing the key should make the unit instantly stop changing altitde |
| 17:58.34 | Eimtr | but even when pressing the key, the unit still changes height, how can i make it stop |
| 17:59.01 | Eimtr | i would use change height of unit to height of unit but that doesnt do a thing |
| 17:59.28 | Ahli | when you remove the behavior, it has to recalculate the height I assume |
| 17:59.39 | Ahli | can't you just do it without the behavior? |
| 17:59.44 | Eimtr | i will post triggers sec |
| 18:00.02 | Eimtr | i need the behavior as an indicator and the problem isnt in the behavior cause it has no effect on the height |
| 18:00.14 | Ahli | oh ok... |
| 18:00.54 | Eimtr | http://pastebin.com/3YK1HULc |
| 18:02.14 | Eimtr | so why when i set a change height trigger and the unit changes it, then how can i make it stop changing height? |
| 18:02.29 | Eimtr | and stop where it is |
| 18:04.02 | Eimtr | do you know how to do that AHli, regardless of behavior, just based on start changing height and stop changing it |
| 18:04.24 | Ahli | yeah... well... seems like some odd workaround is required :S |
| 18:04.35 | Eimtr | TT |
| 18:04.48 | Ahli | make the height change consist out of a lot of steps and keep track of the step amount in custom values |
| 18:05.02 | Ahli | then you can just stop executing the next steps |
| 18:05.18 | Ahli | and the custom value gives you the height the unit should have |
| 18:06.44 | Ahli | ohhh I just noticed that my mouse cursor is fine again.... no idea what updated its texture again |
| 18:06.49 | Eimtr | even if i set the unit's height to 0 later, the unit would start lifting off again |
| 18:07.27 | Ahli | yeah, use small steps |
| 18:07.37 | Ahli | it seems that you can't cancel the lifting over time then |
| 18:10.10 | Eimtr | how do i do this with a lot of steps |
| 18:12.24 | Eimtr | or better use some behavior that already changes height? |
| 18:12.33 | Eimtr | got any? |
| 18:12.36 | Ahli | periodic effect in behavior -> trigger -> lift for a small amount of time; when condition bad -> remove behavior |
| 18:12.56 | Ahli | behaviors can change height, but that shouldn't work out |
| 18:13.55 | Eimtr | how about gravity bombs height - would removing the buff at a time stop the height where it is? |
| 18:14.51 | Ahli | removing the buff would just remove the height changes |
| 18:16.06 | JademusSreg | Use a Modify Unit effect and/or actor message. |
| 18:16.15 | Eimtr | anny other behavior ? |
| 18:17.16 | JademusSreg | If you don't need to track the height, actor message alone suffices. If you do need the visual height to correspond to mechanical height, use a Modify Unit effect. |
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| 18:17.58 | Eimtr | i will need to track it |
| 18:18.12 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, don't use a damn behavior; they simplify height transitions at the expense of control. |
| 18:18.57 | JademusSreg | A Modify Unit effect should be able to change a unit's current height, so apply the effect multiple times should have a cumulative effect. |
| 18:19.05 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 18:19.06 | Eimtr | okay the current behavior i have is just an indicator to show what its doing it's a dummy doesnt effect it |
| 18:19.25 | Eimtr | gonna try it thx |
| 18:21.44 | Eimtr | Modify Unit effect is an actor message? |
| 18:21.48 | Eimtr | never used that |
| 18:21.54 | Eimtr | i dont see it.. |
| 18:22.00 | Ahli | modify unit effect is an effect |
| 18:25.20 | Eimtr | where can i set the height change in such an effect |
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| 20:04.02 | Dustin|Work | So I cameup with a sweet map idea, but it will take too long to make |
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| 20:08.00 | DeadZergling | going to make Farmville for SC2 dustin? |
| 20:16.25 | Dustin|Work | Nah, It's this Hunt map, basically you have your lobby and decide if it's FFA or teams, then team size, One team gets randomly picked as the hunters and after a headstart of running and hiding from the players the hunters get released and have a certain amount of time to catch teams, if they don't catch anyone they are eliminated, if they catch 1 team the rest of the players vote between the caught team and the hunt team. If they catch 2 teams the |
| 20:16.25 | Dustin|Work | runners vote between the two captured teams to eliminate. The goal is to be the last team. There will be different units with different stats/abilities and random areas of the random map get flagged each round and if you reach these advantage points they will do random things to help you. |
| 20:17.18 | Dustin|Work | It's 2 hunt rounds, before the next hunt round begins a new random hunt team is selected |
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| 20:23.59 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmm, voting to eliminate, isn't that every other fake reality series? |
| 20:24.01 | Frinckles | This seems like it could be a difficult question to answer, but I'm making a basic larvae hero (no morphs or anything) and there's a damn Zergling actor above it and I don't know how to get rid of it. |
| 20:30.46 | Ahli | check events of the zergling actor |
| 20:31.00 | Ahli | everything that has "Create" as an action |
| 20:32.03 | Dustin|Work | DeadZergling, yes :P But I havent seen that feature in a SC2 map yet |
| 20:32.07 | Dustin|Work | Other than mafia |
| 20:32.12 | Dustin|Work | but it's different |
| 20:33.21 | DeadZergling | vote out shows always make me want a madman to break onto the set with a tommy gun |
| 20:33.26 | DeadZergling | and shoot everyone down |
| 20:35.17 | Ahli | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/747939120/starcraft-universe na klar hab ich links |
| 20:35.34 | Ahli | whoops wrong chat ;D |
| 20:35.56 | Dustin|Work | German! |
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| 20:36.14 | Ahli | yerman :X |
| 20:36.23 | Ababmer | evening |
| 20:36.24 | Dustin|Work | 23 k?! |
| 20:36.27 | Dustin|Work | Holy jesus shit |
| 20:36.41 | Dustin|Work | I was not expecting it to make that much |
| 20:36.46 | Ababmer | anyone else duplicate a unit and find the original is overwritten? |
| 20:37.22 | Ahli | no... also, duplication was nerfed to be unable to duplicate a whole unit :X |
| 20:37.23 | DeadZergling | really, 23k? did the donors even play the map |
| 20:37.32 | DeadZergling | I hated it :P |
| 20:38.03 | Frinckles | It reminded me of World Of Warcraft. |
| 20:38.18 | Frinckles | Good and bad thing right there. |
| 20:38.24 | Dustin|Work | It was OK, kinda fun |
| 20:38.31 | Ababmer | why the hell did they do that |
| 20:38.39 | Ahli | I didn't really like it, neither. But I'm not a MMO player :X |
| 20:38.43 | Ababmer | it takes 5 hours to make a goddamn new unit |
| 20:38.44 | Frinckles | I just don't know how you'd do an MMO with like 15 players. |
| 20:38.46 | Dustin|Work | I dont understand how he wants 2 years base salary for the most basic of releases |
| 20:39.20 | DeadZergling | I am a MMO player |
| 20:39.21 | Dustin|Work | If I did that I could live for 2 years without a job 24/7 on the map |
| 20:39.34 | Ahli | is kreation working on it fulltime? |
| 20:39.40 | DeadZergling | the camera adjustment was reason enough for me to consider it a big poo stain of a map |
| 20:40.08 | DeadZergling | the combat system was the next part, was all so automated, all I did was mash my abilities |
| 20:40.21 | DeadZergling | sidestep slightly when something bad was about to happen, lol |
| 20:40.30 | Frinckles | My friend who plays starter edition with me would agree with you Deadling. He doesn't even play SC and knows the camera wasnt great. |
| 20:40.48 | Frinckles | I let him try it because he's a huge WoW fan and he didn't have such a blast. lol |
| 20:40.51 | Ahli | tab 1 tab 1 tab 1 tab 1 |
| 20:41.03 | Frinckles | I thought it was definitely neat though. :o Not my style however. |
| 20:41.13 | DeadZergling | the artwork and story |
| 20:41.19 | DeadZergling | you can tell a lot of effort was put into it |
| 20:41.21 | Dustin|Work | It's cool, but not that much money cool |
| 20:41.26 | DeadZergling | still wasn't fun |
| 20:41.43 | Ababmer | hey i got some quick questions wonder if anyone can assist me |
| 20:41.58 | Ababmer | Whats the most effective quick way of making a new unit |
| 20:42.04 | Ababmer | duplication right? |
| 20:42.08 | Frinckles | ^ god yes I need that answer too. |
| 20:42.14 | Dustin|Work | Yes |
| 20:42.17 | DeadZergling | pretty optimistic guy there |
| 20:42.30 | DeadZergling | has it outlined what he will do if he reaches 1 mill |
| 20:42.59 | Ahli | I noted down a bit yesterday http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7939523889#3 |
| 20:43.28 | Ababmer | lets say ive got a primal zergling right, and ive given it the raptor leap from the HOTS campaign, so it jumps at shit, anyone know how i can make it play a certain animation when it does the leap? Is this like a complicated thing to do or what |
| 20:44.11 | DeadZergling | not so complicated ababmer, as just a thing you get to test 20-30 times |
| 20:44.18 | DeadZergling | until it looks just right |
| 20:44.22 | Ahli | effect.jump.start -> start animation bracket ? |
| 20:44.25 | Ababmer | eshh |
| 20:44.31 | Frinckles | Ahli, you're dead on about the calling it an 'mmo' part. |
| 20:44.35 | Frinckles | Well put. |
| 20:44.49 | Ababmer | is that in the actor event thing Ahli? |
| 20:44.53 | Frinckles | It's silly, massively.. 15 players.. lol |
| 20:44.54 | Ahli | yes |
| 20:45.08 | Ahli | actors control animations and models |
| 20:45.08 | Dustin|Work | It's a MMO Simulator like .Hack |
| 20:45.11 | Ababmer | i'll jus try it |
| 20:46.10 | Frinckles | I seriously can't understand why there's a damn zergling on top of my larvae. There is only one actor connected to this unit. |
| 20:46.20 | Frinckles | Unless it can have multiple models somehow. |
| 20:47.31 | DeadZergling | remakes of things in SC2, while they can get pretty close |
| 20:47.43 | DeadZergling | often have really annoying unavoidable parts |
| 20:47.54 | Ahli | http://dexistor371.deviantart.com/art/Hello-Mengsk-393253842 the wallpaper china's sc2 site has... (china's sc2 page is way better than anyone else) |
| 20:48.01 | DeadZergling | that makes you want to stuff puppies with hand grenades |
| 20:48.03 | Ahli | *than the other ones |
| 20:48.12 | DeadZergling | SCU it is the camera |
| 20:48.20 | DeadZergling | diablo remake it is the inventory |
| 20:48.31 | Ahli | heyy :D |
| 20:48.43 | DeadZergling | I'm sorry, but I hate how that inventory works ahli, lol |
| 20:48.46 | Ahli | inventory is fine. The problem is input lag ^^ |
| 20:48.55 | Ahli | controlling the hero feels odd |
| 20:48.58 | Dustin|Work | IT's the lack of Drag n drop |
| 20:48.58 | Dustin|Work | :P |
| 20:49.15 | Dustin|Work | I hate having to click boxes |
| 20:49.16 | DeadZergling | especially if the inventory is the same as it was a year and a half ago |
| 20:49.36 | Ahli | with my last update, you don't need to click so many things anymore |
| 20:49.45 | Dustin|Work | nice! |
| 20:49.49 | Ahli | I've improved it as it now responds properly on multiple clicks, too |
| 20:49.55 | Ahli | so you can move stuff around before the UI updated |
| 20:50.06 | Frinckles | -.- is it possible for somebody savvy with the data editor to figure out what I messed up on? |
| 20:50.09 | DeadZergling | could check it out again sometime............ or |
| 20:50.16 | DeadZergling | I could just use my actual Diablo 1 CD |
| 20:50.30 | Ahli | (obviously placing a 2x3 item one tile more to the right won't work as I can't get the coordinates where you clicked in the inventory... else I would have implemented that, too) |
| 20:50.42 | Frinckles | Not meaning to be babied, but I've looked for how this model is connected and I cannot find it. |
| 20:51.01 | Dustin|Work | Take some SS's of your setup and actor messages |
| 20:52.13 | Frinckles | oh and it's doing this too: Warning: USER: [ 7] Scob 1pe[StarterHeroT2, UnitEditor] More than one CActorUnit persisting in the same unit scope: [ 72 ab] CActorUnit[ZergHeroActor] [ 129 56] CActorUnit[StarterHeroT2] |
| 20:52.25 | Frinckles | Sounds like it could be the problem. |
| 20:52.59 | Ahli | ZergHeroActor and StarterHeroT2 are both unit actors and both are created when the unit is created |
| 20:53.09 | Ahli | so, check the one that is wrong |
| 20:53.33 | Ahli | it has something in its events that makes it "create" when the larva is created/born. |
| 20:54.23 | Dustin|Work | ^ |
| 20:54.51 | Dustin|Work | Im guessing your StartedHeroT2 is a Zergling right |
| 20:54.59 | Dustin|Work | StarterHeroT2* |
| 20:55.15 | Frinckles | Larvae actually. I think. |
| 20:55.22 | Frinckles | God I suck with the data editor /QQ |
| 20:55.23 | Dustin|Work | Your tier 2 unit ia larva? |
| 20:55.36 | Dustin|Work | lol |
| 20:55.42 | Frinckles | It stood for 'terran' when I duplicated my terran hero |
| 20:55.45 | Dustin|Work | Ahh |
| 20:56.01 | Frinckles | The 2 I assumed was annoted after it was duplicated. |
| 20:56.10 | Frinckles | It should technically be StarterheroZ or something |
| 20:56.39 | Dustin|Work | First thing of the Data Editor, it pays to be the most OCD you've ever been about Organization and naming conventions |
| 20:57.00 | Dustin|Work | Otherwise you're gonna get lost and confused way too often |
| 20:57.07 | Frinckles | yeah I kind of want to destroy everything ive done in the data editor, which isnt much and start over. |
| 20:57.12 | Dustin|Work | Esp if you're coming back to fix bugs/add new data |
| 20:57.26 | Frinckles | The problem is, when I duplicate thing, it duplicated EVERYTHING and they're all named some stupid stuff. |
| 20:57.41 | Dustin|Work | Yeah, only Duplicate what you're going to change |
| 20:57.46 | Frinckles | I wish there was a quicker way of relabeling things. |
| 20:58.09 | Dustin|Work | Like say you wanted a Zealot, but you wanted to change his actor. You would duplicate the unit and only check his Actor |
| 20:58.25 | Dustin|Work | But I agree Frinckles, I've suggested a Duplication Qizard |
| 20:58.27 | Dustin|Work | Wizard |
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| 20:58.37 | Dustin|Work | That would let you rename things as they are made, etc |
| 20:59.03 | Dustin|Work | Doubt we'll see one before LOTV to be honest |
| 21:01.22 | Ahli | Dustin: the editor needs something like that, yes |
| 21:04.41 | Ahli | http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Diablo-3-Book-Tyrael-Coming-October-56188.html |
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| 21:15.20 | Frinckles | Hooray I fixed my issue. |
| 21:15.37 | Frinckles | I'm one step closer to understanding the contraption that is the Data Editor. |
| 21:19.15 | Dustin|Work | 1 down, 506065056070450645Billion more to go :D |
| 21:23.05 | Ahli | :D |
| 21:24.55 | Dustin|Work | Ugh I think Im getting sick |
| 21:25.02 | Dustin|Work | Throat hurts real bad and Im feeling weak |
| 21:28.33 | Ahli | calling in sick, moar time for mapping |
| 21:29.47 | Dustin|Work | Well Im at work right now, and this past 2 weeks I've been having to come into the office cause I've recently been promoted to Lead Developer, so I've had to do some training. Tomorrow I might take off though |
| 21:31.04 | Ahli | well done, sir |
| 21:31.36 | Dustin|Work | ty ty! |
| 21:32.59 | Ababmer | AUAUUGH |
| 21:33.08 | Ababmer | WHY MUST IT BE SO HARD |
| 21:33.58 | Ababmer | this is what im doing irl cause of the data editor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm080jEt2hc |
| 21:34.57 | DeadZergling | would be easier if you weren't homer simpson |
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| 21:55.01 | DeadZergling | so tell me, is there a way to edit data away from the editor, other than having a ridiculous knowledge of xml defaults, how parent classes effect all that, and basically just a big giant copy paste library of xml? |
| 21:58.12 | Dustin|Work | nope |
| 21:58.28 | Dustin|Work | I use TeamViewer on my phone and can map anywhere |
| 22:08.12 | Frinckles | I'm absolutely ecstatic. :D I made a super simple test map where I can run around in a third person camera as a larva on the planet Char. |
| 22:08.19 | Frinckles | Learnin' the basics yo. |
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| 22:30.20 | Ababmer | I CANT GET THIS DAMN PRIMAL ZERGLING TO LEAP WITH ITS JUMP ANIMATION |
| 22:30.32 | Ababmer | I WILL KILL YOU ALL |
| 22:31.24 | DeadZergling | Okay homer |
| 22:35.11 | Lepton | anyone knows a good file explorer for windows? |
| 22:35.22 | Lepton | since windows explorer is trash |
| 22:35.23 | Ahli | explorer.exe |
| 22:35.53 | Lepton | <Lepton> since windows explorer is trash |
| 22:36.10 | Ahli | what's terrible? |
| 22:37.08 | Lepton | everything |
| 22:37.15 | Lepton | the search function for instance |
| 22:37.34 | Lepton | cant view all subfolder files at onces |
| 22:37.37 | Lepton | stuff like that |
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| 22:46.23 | Frinckles | Does anybody have a little time to help me test a feature on my map real quick? :o |
| 22:46.33 | Frinckles | It's on b.net, just need a buddy atm. |
| 22:47.14 | DeadZergling | peeps can be fairly lame duck on here, try arcade chat or some other general chat, see if you can borrow someone from there |
| 22:47.20 | DeadZergling | usually can find at least one |
| 22:47.28 | Frinckles | Okedokey~ thanks' |
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| 22:56.20 | Zandose | hi |
| 23:00.57 | Zandose | feels all alone |
| 23:01.49 | DeadZergling | *remains quiet as to not disturb Zandose's feeling* |
| 23:06.03 | Zandose | sends out a question into the void. is their a model like a sheet/plain of glass? |
| 23:12.43 | DeadZergling | best one I can think of is that forcefield wall, zandose |
| 23:12.50 | DeadZergling | with a low enough opacity, it could pass as glass |
| 23:13.34 | Zandose | thnaks thr void |
| 23:15.05 | DeadZergling | The Void would also like to point out that Zandose meant to type "Thanks the Void" |
| 23:16.02 | Zandose | says to the void, "I got casts on both my hands and it's hard to type shit." |
| 23:17.21 | DeadZergling | The Void suggest using more lubricant while fapping next time. |
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| 23:18.08 | Zandose | lowers his head to the void and says, "yes sir". |
| 23:18.33 | Zandose | you know you can use /me |
| 23:18.36 | Zolden | greetings, noble mapmakermen |
| 23:18.49 | Zandose | GET HIM! |
| 23:18.56 | Zolden | Zandose: did you solve your yesterday's issue? |
| 23:19.30 | Zolden | DeadZergling: your D is big again, good job |
| 23:19.37 | DeadZergling | I can, just as I can use * |
| 23:19.50 | Zandose | i went with variables for now |
| 23:20.13 | DeadZergling | thanks Zolden , glad you noticed my D |
| 23:20.41 | Zolden | Zandose: gave up? |
| 23:21.28 | Zolden | A1win: so, how is weapons developing going on? |
| 23:21.33 | Zandose | for now. doing complex things takes too long with casts on your hands |
| 23:22.04 | DeadZergling | what are you doing with casts on your hands anyways |
| 23:23.31 | Zolden | fought a wild animal? |
| 23:23.39 | Zolden | or ragepunched something? |
| 23:23.52 | Zolden | or tried to pull excalibur? |
| 23:24.01 | Zandose | Hours writing my bicycle downhill I tried switching from the roads the sidewalk I basically lost my balance went flying and a fractured my left hand wrist in two places and my right thumb. So I cast on both hands for four weeks. |
| 23:24.13 | Zolden | or sex-chocked a fat chick with a strong neck? |
| 23:24.50 | Zandose | uh I mean I got these cast from fighting off a gang of thugs yeah that's what I meant |
| 23:24.59 | Zolden | have you had some armor protection? |
| 23:25.32 | Zandose | I wasn't riding a motorbike I was riding a bicycle |
| 23:26.25 | Zandose | I think Armer is more for if you're rolling when you fall. I went flying face first off my bike and my hands took most impact |
| 23:27.25 | Zolden | did surrounding observers laughed on you? |
| 23:28.05 | Zandose | No |
| 23:28.12 | Zandose | That doesn't really happen here |
| 23:28.29 | Zandose | Many people asked if I was okay |
| 23:28.40 | Zolden | oh, good |
| 23:29.04 | Zolden | so, mapmaking with fucked hands is a kind of heroic |
| 23:29.31 | Zandose | Wherever you live do people laugh at this kind of thing? |
| 23:29.39 | Zolden | like if hitler would lost his moustache in bomb explosion and still keep giving orders to his generals |
| 23:29.57 | Zolden | Zandose: in some american movies they do |
| 23:30.02 | Zandose | I got like four fingers free to use the mouse |
| 23:30.17 | Zandose | Okay but movies aren't real life |
| 23:30.30 | Zolden | use data then, there you use mouse only |
| 23:31.07 | Zolden | movies hypnotize people to make them feel like it's real life |
| 23:31.09 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.30 | DeadZergling | can definitely still pull a trigger w/ 4 fingers |
| 23:32.03 | Zolden | yea, we all started with triggers, and then slowly, step by step, learning data, it's a natural process |
| 23:32.07 | Zandose | Without a thumb is a little hard to aim |
| 23:32.07 | DeadZergling | trigger stuff can be done all gui like if you want to |
| 23:32.34 | Zandose | I only use GUI. I don't want to learn another language |
| 23:33.18 | Zandose | in wc3 it was useful to use the language and jass but for sc2 I like the GUI just fine |
| 23:33.35 | Zandose | I only use the for some very special instances |
| 23:33.46 | Zolden | oh, i have been using gui triggers too some time ago, and I remember it as a hell |
| 23:33.48 | Zandose | data* |
| 23:33.55 | Zolden | data is heaven |
| 23:34.02 | Zolden | scripting is something between |
| 23:34.14 | DeadZergling | I enjoy data in how well it can self govern |
| 23:34.16 | DeadZergling | when you are done |
| 23:34.47 | DeadZergling | can make your ability/unit whatever, don't have to worry about it any more |
| 23:34.52 | Zolden | yea, data is elegant |
| 23:35.02 | DeadZergling | triggering can be too |
| 23:35.03 | Zandose | But I'm not interested in linear data or modeling or making units or stuff like that |
| 23:35.08 | DeadZergling | for everything else |
| 23:35.10 | Zolden | and simple, and fast to implement, and readable |
| 23:35.15 | DeadZergling | HYBRID HYBRID HYBRID |
| 23:35.58 | DeadZergling | you know you getting too used to hybrids when you go from data to trigger back to data then back to trigger again, lol |
| 23:36.03 | Zolden | i'd like to see how would a hybrid between hitler and jesus act |
| 23:36.20 | DeadZergling | Blitz the romans? |
| 23:36.35 | Zandose | For instance, I make a simple dummy unit in data and then in triggers by can modify life, movement speed, damage, and attach any model I want |
| 23:36.38 | Zolden | probably :) |
| 23:37.07 | Zolden | hmm, this is a tricky mapmaking approach |
| 23:37.50 | Zolden | but editor is indeed volatile and provides alot of different ways to use it |
| 23:37.54 | Zandose | I know but this is how I enjoy doing things. I'm not kind of person who likes to make cookie-cutter heroes, I like to make systems which allow me to do things outside the box |
| 23:38.13 | DeadZergling | yep, I'm pretty sure my ways of approaching things are very unique, lol |
| 23:38.49 | Zolden | Zandose: gimme an example of outside of the box thing you can do with your system? |
| 23:38.51 | DeadZergling | People like cookies :P |
| 23:40.08 | Zolden | it's like Lev Tolstoy said in epigraph of Anna Karenina: all noobs have different mapmaking approaches, and all pros mapmake in the same optimal way |
| 23:40.44 | DeadZergling | Zolden with more shit pulled out of the air just to get a response, lol |
| 23:40.54 | Zandose | I just like exploring ways of doing things. For instance, terrain deformations, unit/Creek system which creates the bad guys on-the-fly with just one command and no data, randomly generating doodads |
| 23:41.08 | Zolden | i want a responce about the following |
| 23:41.44 | Zandose | Using the cameras yaw and pitch to create 3-D movement systems for like space maps |
| 23:42.18 | Zolden | why scu do so better than mineralz? minerals have always been more popular than scu! |
| 23:42.19 | Zolden | i mean the kickstarter thing |
| 23:42.27 | DeadZergling | I don't mind shoving users in a box, aka a class, but then giving that class several different ways of being played |
| 23:42.28 | Zandose | Using actors/models to generate a 3-D solar system or galaxy and using distance calculations to alter the scale of objects to create the illusion of distance |
| 23:42.29 | Zolden | what was the reason it's doing so good? |
| 23:43.01 | Zandose | Creating a skill tree but in 3-D, like the camera move around it |
| 23:43.41 | DeadZergling | I'm not a huge fan of the whole sandbox thing. |
| 23:43.49 | Zolden | ok, not bad |
| 23:43.53 | DeadZergling | create your own world to live in, endless possibilities |
| 23:43.58 | Zandose | Creating a system to export doodad data so that I could combine them to create unique structures are objects save it to some kind data format and reimported into map on anywhere wanted |
| 23:44.01 | DeadZergling | fuck you developers, make the content yourself |
| 23:44.01 | Zolden | this all would require some triggering |
| 23:44.08 | DeadZergling | I just want to play a game and enjoy it |
| 23:44.13 | DeadZergling | don't make me build the lore for you |
| 23:44.23 | Zandose | I think that's the end of my list |
| 23:47.37 | Zandose | Oh yeah, for the terrain deformations I had to figure out why the camera kept cutting stuff off and find a solution to fix it, well more workarounds. |
| 23:48.19 | Zolden | how did you fix it? |
| 23:49.12 | Zolden | actually, the closer camera-ground angle to 90`, the less odds to have a cut |
| 23:49.20 | Ababmer | does anyone know how i give a unit a behaviour |
| 23:49.25 | Ababmer | like in the data editor |
| 23:49.35 | Zolden | or, more precise: 1/2 of camera field of view - 90 |
| 23:49.57 | Ababmer | a behavior and an actor |
| 23:50.00 | Zandose | It was a fix so much as a workaround. I noticed while testing various things out that models were still displayed even if the cheering wasn't so discover the terrain with the model, remember I once asked you to make me a model. It's not perfect and will require a lot of fine-tuning of the model but it kind of works. |
| 23:50.07 | Zolden | Ababmer: there's apply behavior effect |
| 23:50.34 | DeadZergling | ababmer, can you be more specific |
| 23:50.44 | Zandose | The second camera to a first or third person view you get a lot of cutoff |
| 23:50.48 | DeadZergling | are you aiming to apply a buff, a debuff, or you just want a unit to have a behavior always? |
| 23:51.09 | Ababmer | im trying to give a duplicated primal zergling the leap ability from the hots raptor ling |
| 23:51.13 | Zandose | God I love using this voice software otherwise I couldn't type stuff this long |
| 23:51.26 | Ababmer | and ive been stuck all day |
| 23:51.48 | DeadZergling | okay.... |
| 23:51.57 | DeadZergling | why not just duplicate a unit/actor for raptor |
| 23:52.02 | DeadZergling | then change actor model to raptor |
| 23:52.04 | Zolden | Zandose: there is a chance that terrain deformers wil be improved. not a big chance, but still some hope |
| 23:52.10 | Ababmer | because it comes up with errors when you dupe the raptor |
| 23:52.11 | DeadZergling | excuse me, model to zergling |
| 23:52.29 | DeadZergling | well obviously it wasn't duped right |
| 23:52.44 | Zandose | Can you attach an actor or text tag to unit with a slight offset or will that disconnected from its attachment point? |
| 23:52.52 | Ababmer | how do you dupe right |
| 23:53.15 | DeadZergling | right click, duplicate on whatever you duping |
| 23:53.21 | DeadZergling | typically the base unit works best for this sort of thing |
| 23:53.29 | DeadZergling | only check the unit and actors |
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| 23:53.42 | Ababmer | only the unit and actors |
| 23:53.46 | DeadZergling | right |
| 23:54.02 | Ababmer | i might need the behaviours for the leap |
| 23:54.08 | Ababmer | cause theres leap behaviours |
| 23:54.11 | DeadZergling | nope |
| 23:54.16 | DeadZergling | should come with them |
| 23:54.39 | DeadZergling | the unit you dupe will coem w/ whatever base behaviors/abilities |
| 23:54.41 | DeadZergling | the original had |
| 23:54.48 | Ababmer | i see |
| 23:54.52 | Ababmer | so why bother having a tick box |
| 23:55.12 | DeadZergling | so you can choose what you want to dupe, of course |
| 23:55.23 | DeadZergling | say i wanted 10 different difficulties of ratpor |
| 23:55.25 | DeadZergling | *raptor |
| 23:55.33 | DeadZergling | but didn't care if tehy all used the same actor or not |
| 23:55.45 | DeadZergling | could just dupe the unit only, maybe weapons 10 times |
| 23:55.54 | DeadZergling | add a few easy actor events to cover for my new raptors |
| 23:55.56 | DeadZergling | be done |
| 23:56.03 | Ababmer | i see |
| 23:56.12 | Ababmer | so ive got this duped raptor |
| 23:56.26 | DeadZergling | yep, the big thing with duping |
| 23:56.31 | DeadZergling | you want to do it all at once |
| 23:56.36 | DeadZergling | so they autoconnect for the most part |
| 23:57.00 | DeadZergling | some slight edits needed with things like requirements/validators sometimes |
| 23:57.13 | DeadZergling | but I don't think that will happen here |
| 23:57.19 | DeadZergling | yep, just rename it to ZergingJumper or something |
| 23:57.24 | DeadZergling | change the actor's model to zergling |
| 23:57.29 | DeadZergling | and try it to see if it will work |
| 23:57.43 | Ababmer | ok |
| 23:57.45 | Ababmer | trying |
| 23:58.47 | Zolden | Zandose: to attach an actor with offset, you need an offset site operation |
| 23:58.59 | Zolden | text tags should have a value that defines offset |
| 23:59.39 | Zandose | i never learned offset sire opertation |
| 23:59.50 | DeadZergling | learn them sometime |
| 23:59.57 | DeadZergling | they are extremely useful, especially with attachments |
