| 00:02.02 | MoonEater916 | So i dont get it, my map gets 5 star reviews |
| 00:02.08 | MoonEater916 | but when i host it no one joins |
| 00:02.17 | MoonEater916 | and then when someone joins that say it was amazing |
| 00:02.18 | MoonEater916 | but |
| 00:02.27 | MoonEater916 | like why doesnt more people join? |
| 00:02.31 | MoonEater916 | must be the name? |
| 00:02.46 | DeadZergling | dunno, I'm trying to get someone to just run my map for me in here |
| 00:02.50 | DeadZergling | no luck yet, lol |
| 00:03.32 | DeadZergling | And by run, I just mean create the game, start it, play for 1 min, be done |
| 00:05.22 | DeadZergling | what is your map named anyways moon? |
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| 01:02.12 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmm, moon must be too busy w/ his map |
| 01:12.38 | Otixa | Naw, he just hates you |
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| 01:25.48 | DeadZergling | Otixa with more words of non wisdom |
| 01:26.02 | Otixa | ;> |
| 01:30.16 | MoonEater916 | what do u guys use for ur video editijng? |
| 01:30.37 | Dustin | Adobe Premier |
| 01:31.45 | Dustin | Otixa has plenty of words of wisdom, they just are never in the same sentence. |
| 01:31.59 | Otixa | huehue |
| 01:32.19 | Dustin | ;) |
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| 01:43.41 | Otixa | Aftereffects, obviously ;p |
| 01:44.41 | Vailreth | i want to get Hitfilm Ultimate 2 |
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| 14:09.46 | Almaity | JademusSreg, you here? |
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| 15:15.37 | Vailreth | hello everyone |
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| 15:50.44 | JademusSreg | Here. |
| 15:51.25 | JademusSreg | 2/4 Xel'Naga AI boss phase 1 Outer Shield abilities complete. |
| 15:57.27 | Vailreth | i have successfully modified Flyingspatula's GUI implementation of Jades Third Person movement system but i have an issue with the unit i am ordering defaulting after moving to facing to the right |
| 16:28.16 | Dustin|Work | Mine works fine |
| 16:32.37 | Vailreth | i have fixed that issue but now i am getting a compile error "invalid Paramater list" |
| 16:34.05 | JademusSreg | I've been trying to make GUI wrappers for my TPS-related systems, but haven't found a way yet to implement funcref parameters in GUI/. |
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| 16:35.04 | JademusSreg | Input was easy to wrap, but Action and Operator depend on funcref. |
| 16:35.17 | Vailreth | i see |
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| 16:35.27 | JademusSreg | May be possible with some hacky XML mods. |
| 16:35.56 | Almaity | Hey Jademus, was out doing stuff in the garden... Wanted to ask whether you had any time to work on the retextures :) |
| 16:36.04 | Vailreth | i am trying to make an actor face an angle in GUI |
| 16:36.25 | JademusSreg | I was giving one of the girls a bath, I'll be in the garden later, haha. |
| 16:36.38 | Dogmai | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRQFx0NflHo |
| 16:36.55 | JademusSreg | And I intend to work on them tonight. I've been busy working on a boss battle for my demo. |
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| 16:42.12 | Almaity | ok, cool :) thanks |
| 16:43.23 | pirate | does the SCU kickstarter violate http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/acceptable-use.html |
| 16:43.51 | pirate | since they're giving in-game stuff to donors |
| 16:44.40 | Dogmai | scu kickstarter ... |
| 16:44.51 | Dogmai | ffs ...... |
| 16:46.06 | Dogmai | I dare say Ryan has more pull with peeps @ Blizzard than anyone else in the community |
| 16:46.10 | Dogmai | But still, I am not impressed |
| 16:49.59 | pirate | I think kickstarters are the way to go |
| 16:50.16 | JademusSreg | pir, they cleared all that with Blizz in discussions beforehand. |
| 16:50.33 | pirate | and I personally dont see an issue with giving donors special decals (but not any sort of in game power) |
| 16:51.04 | pirate | but that stills goes against 7a. |
| 16:53.27 | Dogmai | It does go against the ToS. |
| 16:53.57 | JademusSreg | All the donor perks listed there have been approved in talks with Blizz reps, and I don't mean that figuratively. If some reward is against the ToS or such, understand that Blizz enforces the terms and they make the exceptions. |
| 16:54.21 | Dogmai | One rule for Ryan, one rule for everyone else. |
| 16:54.31 | Dogmai | I am not happy, but I accept this. |
| 16:54.49 | Dogmai | Ryan is not stupid enough to do anything without having the relevant discussions as Jade mentioned |
| 16:55.22 | Dogmai | It all comes back to the big stuff up in 2010 |
| 16:55.30 | Dogmai | 2011* |
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| 16:59.39 | pirate | I think 80k is pretty lofty, but if successful it'd be good to show blizzard the arcade could be profitable |
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| 16:59.50 | mille25 | hi |
| 17:00.10 | Dogmai | No, it doesn't show that. |
| 17:00.40 | Dogmai | All it shows is that Ryan got lucky with the huge amount of publicity that emerged when Blizzard took down his video, which got it on the front page of every major gaming website. |
| 17:00.51 | Dogmai | No one can match that. |
| 17:01.10 | JademusSreg | Hi thar, mille. Excellent timing, as pirate is asking about kickstarter and SCU's donor perks and Blizz ToS and such. |
| 17:01.30 | JademusSreg | The Streissand Effect cannot be underestimated. |
| 17:01.35 | Dogmai | Indeed. |
| 17:01.49 | JademusSreg | *should not |
| 17:02.02 | Dogmai | Same difference. |
| 17:02.14 | Ahli | hype sells sh*t... hype can get out of control, hype can make people enter the hate train when release disappoints them (-> D3) |
| 17:02.18 | mille25 | We have permission from Blizzard to do the Kickstarter aswell as the ingame rewards. |
| 17:02.43 | pirate | kickstarters in general are totally fine |
| 17:03.00 | pirate | is this gonna set precedence for future mods |
| 17:03.06 | Dogmai | No, it will not. |
| 17:04.11 | pirate | clearly I need to seduce someone at blizzard |
| 17:04.32 | Dogmai | It is more akin to Blizzard owing Ryan because of the Youtube issue. |
| 17:04.56 | Dogmai | We tried to get support, and although the developers and CMs were amazing, we did not get the support we needed. |
| 17:05.01 | Helral | I'd be surprised if you'd be able to get signed HotS collector edition if it wasn't backed by blizzard. |
| 17:05.28 | pirate | what do you mean, dogmai |
| 17:05.44 | pirate | for tofu? |
| 17:05.47 | Dogmai | Tofu & SCU are the too super projects of ScII right? |
| 17:05.53 | JademusSreg | Oh, and eggo has a kickstarter draft and wants feedback apparently. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2019539111/1806160998?token=46ec6c39 |
| 17:05.56 | pirate | ...that have been announced |
| 17:06.00 | Dogmai | Indeed. |
| 17:06.11 | Dogmai | One gets supported, one does not. |
| 17:06.13 | mille25 | Are you working on something, pirate? :) |
| 17:06.17 | Dustin|Work | JademusSreg, don't humor him :P |
| 17:06.27 | pirate | of course I'm working on somethign |
| 17:06.33 | Ahli | egod might need to talk to Blizzard about kickstarter for allowance because of the intellectual property of sc and diablo |
| 17:06.40 | pirate | Jade - too high stretch goals |
| 17:06.49 | Dustin|Work | It won't ever meet the moeny requirement |
| 17:06.50 | Dogmai | The developers can only do so much for us you know, but we just needed that tiny step up in the amount of support that we received, but no luck. |
| 17:06.51 | Dustin|Work | So no use |
| 17:07.05 | mille25 | What were you asking them for, Dogmai ? |
| 17:07.13 | pirate | calendar is poorly format |
| 17:07.13 | Dogmai | But I still maintain faith that one day everything will work out. |
| 17:07.37 | pirate | oh man, and get a non quebecois to narrate |
| 17:08.04 | pirate | and how did you go about reaching out to blizz? |
| 17:08.29 | mille25 | We have been in contact for a long time, mainly via email or phone. |
| 17:08.40 | pirate | I meant dogmai |
| 17:08.56 | Dogmai | I showed them a picture of Tofu because we had a problem, they couldn't believe that we made it in ScII, offered them to play the game. |
| 17:09.04 | Dogmai | That is how it started. |
| 17:09.16 | Dogmai | From there, met more people etc. |
| 17:09.32 | Dogmai | I am on the other side of the world though, go figure. |
| 17:09.53 | Dogmai | I will never forget those long cold nights staying up just staring at my screen, too cold to move, too cold to work. |
| 17:10.03 | Dogmai | Missus in bed, just me alone, awake, waiting for an answer. |
| 17:10.17 | Dogmai | Staring at a blank screen, waiting for a sound. |
| 17:10.30 | pirate | drama queen |
| 17:10.37 | Dogmai | True story bro. |
| 17:10.53 | Helral | doubt the screen was blank :p |
| 17:10.53 | Dogmai | We needed answers, I had to stay up all night to get them. |
| 17:11.18 | Dogmai | Well the screen was on -_- |
| 17:11.32 | Dogmai | It is just a matter of fact of being on the opposite side of the world |
| 17:11.38 | Helral | meows innocently |
| 17:11.53 | Dogmai | If you want to talk to people in California and you are on the west coast of Australia, you gotta stay up all night. |
| 17:11.53 | Helral | what side of the world is blizzard on then? |
| 17:11.56 | pirate | I am months away from a kickstarter, but being able to offer an intermediate reward tier of custom skins would be nice |
| 17:12.07 | pirate | the right side |
| 17:12.16 | Dogmai | Things that do not effect gameplay, are usually fine. |
| 17:12.32 | Ahli | ^ that's the way that should be handled... always |
| 17:12.39 | mille25 | Blizzard was fine with everything that was NOT exclusive to backers. |
| 17:12.41 | pirate | still technically against the acceptable use |
| 17:13.12 | Dogmai | You will find nearly anything you do will be against the ToS |
| 17:13.14 | mille25 | I'm not sure how this is handled in general though - Definatly make sure to ask Blizzard before going for this. |
| 17:13.22 | Dogmai | But use common sense, they will not enforce everything. |
| 17:14.07 | Dogmai | It comes down to doing something shady vs something that can benefit you financially without pissing other players off |
| 17:14.08 | JademusSreg | People with the audacity to kickstart a mod for so small a platform without any existing public support and favor, it plays Boggle with the mind. |
| 17:14.14 | Dogmai | If it is pay 2 win you are going to have a bad time. |
| 17:14.32 | Dogmai | That is why I constantly do not agree with egod |
| 17:14.33 | pirate | ^which is how it should be |
| 17:14.43 | Dogmai | Because he has been pushing donations for years without delivering anything |
| 17:15.05 | pirate | well, I also think curse of tristram's a bit of a bust to begin with |
| 17:15.07 | Dogmai | The thing I feel about Kickstarter though |
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| 17:15.15 | Dogmai | Is that you are basically holding a community to ransom |
| 17:15.20 | Frinckles | Hay everybody! |
| 17:15.38 | Dogmai | Like Mineralz and SCU kickstarters |
| 17:15.43 | JademusSreg | Hey singlebody. |
| 17:15.44 | Ahli | there will be way more scam like stuff in future on kickstarter |
| 17:15.46 | Helral | Curse of Tristram feels more like, hey Ahli made diablo 1 in SC2, let's make D2 as well..... |
| 17:15.49 | Dogmai | Why do you need kickstarters to do this? Just do it like everyone else does. |
| 17:15.53 | Helral | for me that is |
| 17:15.56 | Dogmai | The work is basically already done |
| 17:16.03 | Dogmai | You are just holding back features to force people to pay. |
| 17:16.16 | Helral | never heard of Curse of Tristram before. :P but I've been gone for quite a while from the sc2 scene |
| 17:16.30 | Frinckles | So I could use a little help with an idea I have for a map. I'm a brand to the Galaxy editor but I have experience on WC3's and I'd like some info on how ambitious my idea is. O_o |
| 17:16.31 | Dogmai | I see it spammed all the time on Diablo III forums |
| 17:16.33 | pirate | I also think MineralZ wasnt really offering much |
| 17:16.35 | Ahli | in autumn 2010 I saw it as a great competitor |
| 17:16.53 | Dogmai | Spill Frinckles |
| 17:17.07 | Dogmai | You got the top of the community here discussing srs business |
| 17:17.08 | Ahli | and it made me do more stuff... but then he hit problems stumbled and fell behind :X |
| 17:17.13 | Dogmai | you picked a good time to enter the chatroom |
| 17:17.36 | Vailreth | and some general helper elves as well... |
| 17:17.36 | Ahli | would be cool if he had managed to more stuff comparable to mine... would have improved my map |
| 17:17.47 | Ahli | competition... totally works |
| 17:17.53 | JademusSreg | From a design perspective, it's volatile to tack on a bunch of extra shit with "stretch goals". Either it was part of a complete design, in which case not hitting stretch goals results in an incomplete game, or wasn't part of the design and the designers are shittily wedging in features. |
| 17:18.07 | Dogmai | Indeed. |
| 17:18.14 | Dogmai | Things like VOs though |
| 17:18.17 | Dogmai | That can be a stretch goal |
| 17:18.20 | pirate | yes! |
| 17:18.24 | Dogmai | Because you have to pay artists |
| 17:18.27 | Dogmai | But design aspects |
| 17:18.30 | Almaity | agreed there |
| 17:18.32 | Dogmai | I am not impressed. |
| 17:18.57 | pirate | well |
| 17:19.10 | pirate | for some things, the way I see it is simple design time |
| 17:19.47 | pirate | you make a complete mod with all the features it should have (co-op, versus, what have you) |
| 17:20.05 | JademusSreg | Frink, we can tell you if it's possible, sure. |
| 17:20.12 | pirate | ^^ |
| 17:20.14 | Dogmai | Thank god you only write 2 pages Frinckles |
| 17:20.24 | Almaity | Either we're gonna get a book from him now or nothing |
| 17:20.26 | Dogmai | I have like 80 pages of podcast to be recorded |
| 17:20.30 | Almaity | anything in between and I'll be disappointed |
| 17:20.46 | pirate | pages of what |
| 17:21.06 | Almaity | words, presumably |
| 17:21.11 | Almaity | possibly of paper as well |
| 17:21.23 | Almaity | but not many people use paper nowadays, so I wouldnt count on that |
| 17:22.21 | pirate | I only use paper for notes |
| 17:22.47 | Dogmai | Written pages |
| 17:22.58 | Helral | btw Ahli, how did your inventory and equipment screen stuff go, did you use the original sc2 functionality in the background? |
| 17:23.01 | Dogmai | I can't write for a long time |
| 17:23.05 | JademusSreg | pir, you wipe your ass with hand-written notes? |
| 17:23.10 | Ahli | Helral: dialogs |
| 17:23.14 | Dogmai | I broke my wrist years ago, my hand gets tired really quickly |
| 17:23.25 | Dogmai | Typing is alright because I don't actually move that wrist when I type |
| 17:23.27 | pirate | toilet paper is not real paper |
| 17:23.40 | JademusSreg | It's imaginary paper? |
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| 17:23.46 | Dogmai | Taking notes etc is fine though |
| 17:23.49 | JademusSreg | Wouldn't that get it on your hands? |
| 17:23.52 | pirate | for notes, sketching, basic math i use graph paper |
| 17:23.54 | Ahli | Helral: I use sc2 inventories for item containers... but I might cut that because there is no reliable way to put an item into the inventory without delays |
| 17:23.58 | Almaity | If I write on paper, I won't be able to read it. Being forced to use cursive in school is awesome =D |
| 17:23.59 | Dogmai | I meant writing like 50+ pages etc |
| 17:24.34 | Frinckles | Hehe |
| 17:24.55 | Ahli | so, sc2 inventory = storage. Inventory items = information holders. Then I use arrays for quick access to several items. For other things, I cycle through all items |
| 17:25.06 | Ahli | also, all spells are items, too. |
| 17:25.47 | Helral | and the enhancements from the items are done using placing behaviors manually or equip flag on inventory? |
| 17:25.47 | Ahli | but they only contain ID, level and level bonus (cached value which reflects the bonus received by other items) |
| 17:26.08 | Ahli | I don't use behaviors for most enhancements |
| 17:26.15 | Ahli | only attack speed |
| 17:26.48 | JademusSreg | Comically obvious missing API feature. |
| 17:27.23 | JademusSreg | Who would have guessed users would want to move items to and from inventories instantly? |
| 17:28.09 | Ahli | nobody... destroy and create + extra code to checks to fix all unit references seems to be the preferable solution |
| 17:28.59 | Ahli | my items have a lot of custom values... their X and Y property identify the unit's position in the inventory |
| 17:29.03 | JademusSreg | I would be surprised if the item unit was destroyed when in the inventory. |
| 17:29.21 | Ahli | it isn't, the unit still exists |
| 17:29.21 | Helral | hmmm sounds quite complicated way to do it. |
| 17:29.30 | Ahli | if you move the item unit, you drop it... so that's possible |
| 17:30.16 | JademusSreg | That makes more sense, treating them like cargo units. |
| 17:30.49 | Ahli | they work like that. they also have the same position as the carrier |
| 17:31.04 | Ahli | also, if an item carries itself, it's dropped on the ground |
| 17:31.07 | JademusSreg | I misunderstood, thought you attempted to justify why the feature was missing from the API. |
| 17:31.28 | Ahli | no, sarcasm... it's an obvious missing feature |
| 17:32.24 | Dogmai | ~slap JademusSreg |
| 17:32.24 | purl | ACTION slaps JademusSreg, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 17:32.33 | Dogmai | I wanted the large trout one |
| 17:32.48 | Dogmai | JademusSreg: Ahli everyone inbetween |
| 17:33.01 | Dogmai | Frinckles needs help with a really simple RPG |
| 17:33.06 | Dogmai | Cause I don't do the data side |
| 17:33.12 | Dogmai | Who wants to help out |
| 17:33.23 | Frinckles | :D |
| 17:33.33 | Dogmai | No one here bites |
| 17:33.36 | pirate | bite |
| 17:33.41 | Dogmai | Everyone is too scared of Blizzard secretly watching them |
| 17:33.50 | Helral | meows |
| 17:33.58 | pirate | I can help for the next 30 mins |
| 17:34.06 | Frinckles | Hooray. |
| 17:34.07 | Dogmai | Chemy, if you are listening, I want an email -_- |
| 17:34.08 | JademusSreg | I help with specific, preferably interesting, technical problems. Basic editor operation is entirely too tedious a thing to instruct. |
| 17:34.10 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 17:34.22 | Almaity | srry, wasn't here, Frinckles, what do you need? |
| 17:34.52 | Frinckles | Guidance. lol |
| 17:34.59 | Dogmai | basic evolves rpg |
| 17:35.18 | Frinckles | Can I place the link to my crappily made .odt file here? |
| 17:35.25 | Dogmai | go for it |
| 17:35.48 | Frinckles | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/70665127/rpggame.odt |
| 17:35.58 | Frinckles | Forgive me, for I do not know the laws of IRC. |
| 17:36.02 | Dogmai | inb4 viruses zomg |
| 17:36.11 | Frinckles | Dropbox Viruses. lol |
| 17:36.12 | Dogmai | The trick is, be yourself |
| 17:36.19 | Dogmai | Don't be scared to ask or talk to anyone |
| 17:36.25 | Dogmai | Even when Blizzard developers come along |
| 17:36.31 | Frinckles | They come here? |
| 17:36.35 | Dogmai | Indeed. |
| 17:36.38 | Ahli | yes... rarely |
| 17:36.41 | Frinckles | Tha's cray. |
| 17:36.45 | Dogmai | ~seen blizz-deletarius |
| 17:36.51 | purl | blizz-deletarius <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 13d 17h 30m 38s ago, saying: 'I would just copy/paste a mineral/gas setup from an existing ladder map and using those'. |
| 17:36.51 | Dogmai | ~seen blizz-artestru |
| 17:36.52 | purl | blizz-artestru <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 76d 23h 48m 22s ago, saying: 'And nice job with the invisible pineapple. That's a trick we commonly use, although we prefer apples because they're more delicious.'. |
| 17:36.53 | Dogmai | ~seen blizz-tenarsis |
| 17:36.53 | purl | blizz-tenarsis <d8940048@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.148.0.72> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 7d 16h 36m 9s ago, saying: 'ok, I actually made a lot of progress on your guys requests. going home now, see you all later :)'. |
| 17:36.55 | pirate | not revently |
| 17:37.05 | Helral | still the same ones I guess. |
| 17:37.07 | Dogmai | about a week since tenarsis, two weeks since dele |
| 17:37.13 | Almaity | Btw, if you want to share documents/collaborate online, google docs is great |
| 17:37.20 | pirate | oh, who is tnarsis |
| 17:37.27 | Dogmai | Tenarsis is a tools programmer |
| 17:37.31 | pirate | ah |
| 17:37.33 | Frinckles | I'll remember that Almaity. :) |
| 17:37.54 | Dogmai | He creates the editor, along with Dele/Art/Xuzaca |
| 17:38.14 | Dogmai | I think Xuzaca actually does the game engine no? |
| 17:38.30 | Ahli | you know more than we do ^^ |
| 17:38.32 | Almaity | havent seen Xuzaca yet |
| 17:38.34 | Dogmai | plptt |
| 17:38.39 | Dogmai | I love Xuzaca |
| 17:38.43 | Dogmai | He fixes shit for me |
| 17:38.55 | Dogmai | shouldn't say shit |
| 17:39.00 | Dogmai | my bad |
| 17:39.14 | Dogmai | fixed a lot of problems we were having with tofu |
| 17:39.27 | Frinckles | The lack of meat? :P |
| 17:39.38 | Dogmai | the bland taste actually |
| 17:39.59 | A1win | anyone got any idea how I could try to backup a hard disk that doesn't boot with windows? I tried hotswapping it while win7 is running but nothing happens, doesn't show up in disk management |
| 17:40.33 | Dogmai | don't hotswap it |
| 17:40.37 | Dogmai | coldboot it |
| 17:41.09 | A1win | what's that? |
| 17:41.12 | Dogmai | The developers get a lot of shit from the greater community saying that they do not care |
| 17:41.18 | Dogmai | Turn off comp, plug it in, turn on comp |
| 17:41.30 | A1win | it doesn't let windows boot if it's plugged in |
| 17:41.34 | Dogmai | But once you get to know them, no one cares more about us than them you know |
| 17:41.41 | Dogmai | Then your boot order is wrong in bios |
| 17:41.45 | Dogmai | Change your boot order |
| 17:42.04 | A1win | I mean it's trying to start windows but gets stuck in the "starting windows" screen |
| 17:42.11 | Dogmai | hmm |
| 17:42.13 | A1win | it's like it's always been, the HDD just broke or something |
| 17:42.28 | Dogmai | I had the same problem once |
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| 17:42.33 | A1win | so trying to see if there's any way to get stuff from it |
| 17:42.47 | Dogmai | Might be able to do it via linux |
| 17:42.55 | Dogmai | You could download linux to a usb stick and boot off it |
| 17:43.15 | Dogmai | I don't use linux, so google is your friend |
| 17:46.00 | Dogmai | So guys |
| 17:46.17 | Dogmai | Lego EV3 |
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| 17:47.51 | Ahli | ? |
| 17:48.33 | Dogmai | The new Lego Mindstorms |
| 17:48.34 | Dogmai | Do want |
| 17:48.44 | Dogmai | But I already spent like ~1000 on lego this year |
| 17:49.32 | ObsceneCereal | on lego? |
| 17:49.46 | Ahli | aren't you an adult? |
| 17:50.07 | Dogmai | Yes -_- |
| 17:50.10 | Dogmai | To both |
| 17:50.21 | Dogmai | I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't go nightclubbing etc |
| 17:50.39 | Dogmai | I am allowed to have at least one thing in life I like doing and spending money on |
| 17:50.54 | mille25 | what do you do for a living btw? |
| 17:50.59 | Dogmai | Tofu |
| 17:51.11 | Dogmai | As I said, lost a lot of money |
| 17:51.22 | Dogmai | That was my full time job for the last 3 years mate |
| 17:51.26 | ObsceneCereal | kik |
| 17:51.42 | Dogmai | Now, just pretty much looking for any job to get my income up again |
| 17:51.55 | Dogmai | But everything I did before I cannot really go back to |
| 17:52.02 | mille25 | what did you do before tofu? |
| 17:52.09 | ObsceneCereal | He was a prostitute |
| 17:52.19 | Dogmai | I would be one sexy man jiggalo |
| 17:52.37 | Dogmai | Originally by trade, I am a Graphic Designer |
| 17:52.42 | Ahli | mille, what are you going to do when kickstarter funds the project? fulltime SCU for one semester? |
| 17:52.54 | mille25 | depends |
| 17:53.00 | Dogmai | I foresaw the industry crashing, so I got out of it about 2 years before it did crash |
| 17:53.11 | mille25 | ill most likely quit my side job |
| 17:53.12 | Dogmai | Median wage went from $165/h to $11/h |
| 17:53.16 | mille25 | but not take a semester off |
| 17:53.38 | Dogmai | Now, it is even worst |
| 17:53.41 | Dogmai | worse* |
| 17:53.42 | Ahli | k, living like me, then ^^ |
| 17:53.45 | Dogmai | Everything gets outsourced to India |
| 17:53.59 | ObsceneCereal | Hell even india was outsourced to india |
| 17:54.11 | ObsceneCereal | Now you call the president you sometimes get xbox support |
| 17:54.28 | mille25 | wow really, Dogmai ? absolutly didnt expect that. I thought graphic design is booming |
| 17:54.38 | Dogmai | After that, worked full time as a photographer, did that for a few years, really good money |
| 17:54.38 | mille25 | its like ... everywhere |
| 17:54.54 | Dogmai | But now, you gotta compete with facebook photographers |
| 17:55.10 | mille25 | how did you get from there to modding? |
| 17:55.12 | Dogmai | Teenage girls who pick up a camera and call themselves photographers and undercut the professionals |
| 17:55.26 | Dogmai | They do that for a while before they realise they can't make a living |
| 17:55.34 | Dogmai | So they leave, but there are always more to fill their space |
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| 17:55.47 | mille25 | thats quite funny, i actually know a girl doing that. |
| 17:55.55 | Dogmai | And the majority of people can't tell good photography from bad photography |
| 17:55.59 | ObsceneCereal | Booming doesn't mean average wage is high, it means there are many jobs available. |
| 17:56.03 | Dogmai | So, I got out of Photography |
| 17:56.10 | Dogmai | And then, I wanted to change my life right |
| 17:56.20 | Dogmai | I looked back to my past to see what other skills I had |
| 17:56.38 | Ahli | the photographer I want to was most likely a gamer, too >_> who else would use razer equipment... but he was very nice and did an excellent job... |
| 17:56.41 | Dogmai | At that time, Icefrog got snapped up by Valve, Guinsoo+Pendragon got snapped up by Riot |
| 17:56.47 | Dogmai | All people I use to develop with |
| 17:57.04 | Dogmai | Blizzard announced they would allow you to make money from the Arcade |
| 17:57.08 | Dogmai | I figured that was my chance |
| 17:57.35 | mille25 | that seems familar. |
| 17:57.37 | ObsceneCereal | And therein lies the problem, you trusted blizzard after they signed with activision :P |
| 17:57.52 | Dogmai | I have been dealing with Activision since 1997 |
| 17:57.58 | ObsceneCereal | really? |
| 17:57.59 | ObsceneCereal | oh |
| 17:58.01 | Dogmai | If you understand that they are a business |
| 17:58.07 | Dogmai | And that shareholders come first |
| 17:58.09 | Dogmai | They arn't that bad |
| 17:58.17 | Dogmai | With Blizzard, the games always came first |
| 17:58.23 | Dogmai | That is why people get touchy about the merger |
| 17:58.51 | ObsceneCereal | At this point even if they did allow you to sell maps it wouldn't be worth the time |
| 17:58.59 | Dogmai | As I said to them. |
| 17:59.15 | ObsceneCereal | Interestingly enough though, SC U has a kickstarter going, theirs is outrageous you should consider starting one for tofu though |
| 17:59.21 | Dogmai | No. |
| 17:59.35 | Dogmai | We have been discussing that for hours. |
| 17:59.42 | Dogmai | We cannot compete with SCU. |
| 17:59.42 | Ahli | they have the hype train. TOFU has nothing. |
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| 17:59.51 | Dogmai | ^ |
| 17:59.56 | ObsceneCereal | I was considering doing one with my project for a much smaller amount |
| 18:00.08 | Dogmai | See what I really wanted to do was fill the arcade with super polished mini games |
| 18:00.12 | Dogmai | Like Evolution Wars X |
| 18:00.15 | ObsceneCereal | life 1000$, but I dunno |
| 18:00.17 | pirate|sloop | what's your project and how's your following |
| 18:00.18 | Dogmai | That was made in less than a single work week |
| 18:00.32 | pirate|sloop | Dogmai and I share the same vision |
| 18:00.44 | ObsceneCereal | My project is something, and my following is weak :P |
| 18:00.52 | Dogmai | But we needed support from Blizzard to do it |
| 18:01.17 | ObsceneCereal | SCU is 80k, I figure if I create a good video 1k wouldn't be unrealistic |
| 18:01.18 | Dogmai | Each project had to turn over $2,000 to break even |
| 18:01.32 | Dogmai | That is near minimum wage for a week for two people right? |
| 18:01.37 | Dogmai | << Australian |
| 18:01.40 | ObsceneCereal | not in the US :P |
| 18:01.46 | pirate|sloop | yes, but SCU had a massive following |
| 18:01.53 | ObsceneCereal | for 2 people for 1 week would be 500$ tops |
| 18:01.55 | Dogmai | Award wage is around 850ish a week |
| 18:01.57 | ObsceneCereal | min wage |
| 18:02.00 | Dustin|Work | Minnimum wage in america for a week is like $400 |
| 18:02.04 | pirate|sloop | hell, even mineralZ managed to raise ~2k |
| 18:02.16 | Dogmai | But the problem is, we need to raise that every single week |
| 18:02.26 | Dogmai | If I went and worked on the mines for instance, driving a truck |
| 18:02.34 | Dogmai | I can pull in 3400ish a week after tax |
| 18:02.38 | Ahli | *cough* http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1860609015/mineralz-evolution |
| 18:02.51 | pirate|sloop | ...if you round up |
| 18:02.56 | ObsceneCereal | lol good point |
| 18:02.57 | pirate|sloop | but also, mineralZ was absolute crap |
| 18:02.59 | Ahli | that's a lot to round |
| 18:03.25 | Dogmai | I like Wade, but I didn't agree with what he did |
| 18:03.35 | Dogmai | The same as I like Ryan, but I don't like what he is doign |
| 18:03.45 | Dogmai | Even though it appears he will succeed |
| 18:03.58 | Dogmai | Which will be just another awesome kick in the guts for us, but more power to him. |
| 18:04.03 | ObsceneCereal | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.06 | Dogmai | Rather someone succeed than all of us fail. |
| 18:04.33 | pirate|sloop | I'm not convinced yet that SCU will reach its target |
| 18:04.44 | ObsceneCereal | Its going to succeed because for whatever reason several major gaming news siteshave picked it up -_- |
| 18:04.46 | Dogmai | I try and explain this all the time to anyone who listens |
| 18:04.50 | ObsceneCereal | kinda an unfair advantage |
| 18:04.51 | Vailreth | im back from lunch |
| 18:04.58 | Dogmai | Fairness is to Australians as Freedom is to Americans |
| 18:05.09 | ObsceneCereal | GO back to lunch hippy |
| 18:05.16 | Dogmai | We know we are not free, but our whole society and psyche is based on fairness |
| 18:05.19 | pirate|sloop | yes, but now that the stories have run, where's the funding going to come from |
| 18:05.37 | Dogmai | Ryan getting preferential treatment is not fair. |
| 18:05.44 | Dogmai | Therefore, I am not impressed. |
| 18:06.02 | Dogmai | And yes, I understand why and the history etc. |
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| 18:06.11 | pirate|sloop | they won't raise this much daily throughout the campaign |
| 18:07.11 | Frinckles | Intense conversation going on. |
| 18:07.35 | Dogmai | Frinckles, Dryeyece and I created the other "superproject" of ScII |
| 18:07.38 | Dogmai | We failed. |
| 18:07.53 | pirate|sloop | *other known |
| 18:07.56 | Frinckles | Failure is very subjective. |
| 18:07.57 | Dogmai | sorry |
| 18:08.06 | Dogmai | I did have it in there, accidently removed it |
| 18:08.08 | Dogmai | *known* |
| 18:08.08 | ObsceneCereal | what was the other superproject? |
| 18:08.14 | Dogmai | Tofu |
| 18:08.18 | Dogmai | You know damn right |
| 18:08.22 | Frinckles | Deetz please. |
| 18:08.24 | Ahli | it's even promoted by Blizzard ! |
| 18:08.25 | ObsceneCereal | oh, didnt know frinckles worked on that |
| 18:08.35 | Frinckles | I didn't lol |
| 18:08.41 | ObsceneCereal | oh |
| 18:08.43 | Frinckles | He was saying that to me. |
| 18:08.46 | ObsceneCereal | I misread... |
| 18:08.50 | Dogmai | Idiot |
| 18:08.52 | Dogmai | I love you |
| 18:08.52 | ObsceneCereal | I create something BETTER then tofu!!!! |
| 18:08.54 | Dogmai | But idiot |
| 18:09.03 | Ahli | go recreate TOFU defense from SCBW |
| 18:09.04 | Dogmai | So, basically |
| 18:09.11 | Frinckles | I couldn't make an uberlisk if I tried. |
| 18:09.13 | Dogmai | I personally, not including Dryeyece |
| 18:09.17 | ObsceneCereal | I love the word better, its completely subjective and opinionated and no one can argue with "better" |
| 18:09.18 | Dogmai | Lost about $250,000 on Tofu |
| 18:09.27 | Dogmai | Over the past three years |
| 18:09.38 | Dogmai | Without making a single dollar or having a single door open up in the industry for me |
| 18:09.51 | Dogmai | We did what we did on the back of promises made |
| 18:09.51 | Frinckles | Didn't know there were money making opportunities with mapmaking. |
| 18:10.04 | Dogmai | That were broken, and whilst again, we understand why they were broken, they were still broken, and we still lost a lot of money |
| 18:10.07 | ObsceneCereal | There aren't really |
| 18:10.09 | Frinckles | Thought it was always about having fun and letting people enjoy stuff created. ) |
| 18:10.17 | Dogmai | There are not really any opportunities now |
| 18:10.17 | Frinckles | :) * |
| 18:10.22 | Dogmai | There was back 3 years ago when we started |
| 18:10.35 | ObsceneCereal | There were plans, that probably never made it past that stage to be able to see the best and most polished maps |
| 18:10.36 | Dogmai | But we all gotta grow up one day mate |
| 18:10.56 | ObsceneCereal | Agreed |
| 18:10.57 | Dogmai | Making free games doesn't support a family |
| 18:11.07 | Dogmai | Thats it |
| 18:11.18 | Dogmai | There were 4 or 5 superprojects announced right |
| 18:11.29 | Dogmai | And 2 were brought through to competition |
| 18:11.30 | ObsceneCereal | If it did, that would mean you were living in a communistic society |
| 18:11.54 | Dogmai | The other developers all cut their losses earlier on |
| 18:11.58 | Dogmai | Everyone lost money |
| 18:12.00 | Dogmai | Except for Ryan |
| 18:12.11 | Frinckles | Ryan is.. ? |
| 18:12.13 | Dogmai | *If this kickstarter succeeds |
| 18:12.15 | Dogmai | SCU |
| 18:12.22 | Frinckles | Oh, I played that thing. |
| 18:12.29 | ObsceneCereal | I've lost nothing :P but mine isn't technically a super project. though I would say, that Graphic Design aside, Mine could hold toe to toe with tofu. |
| 18:12.46 | pirate|sloop | what did you do? |
| 18:12.50 | ObsceneCereal | Something |
| 18:12.51 | Dogmai | No trollflakes this morning sonny |
| 18:13.02 | ObsceneCereal | Trollflakes :P you know my project is good |
| 18:13.04 | ObsceneCereal | admit it!! |
| 18:13.11 | Dogmai | So basically, SCU was created by a lot of people |
| 18:13.18 | Dogmai | That came and went over the years |
| 18:13.23 | Dogmai | Tofu was created by two developers |
| 18:13.28 | Dogmai | Who worked full time for 2 1/2 years |
| 18:13.35 | Dogmai | We put our lives on hold to do this |
| 18:13.47 | ObsceneCereal | Pirate I would tell you the name of my little known project, BUT its name is going to change soon |
| 18:13.54 | ObsceneCereal | People hate the name : |
| 18:14.06 | Dogmai | This is what Blizzard do not understand |
| 18:14.21 | Dogmai | They mean everything to us, but we are nothing to them. They affect lives. |
| 18:14.23 | pirate|sloop | I thought you were talking about something that had been released |
| 18:14.26 | ObsceneCereal | I've already directly told blizzard how to fix this stupid map making community :/ |
| 18:14.36 | Dogmai | The developers are the most awesome people I have ever met, and bent over backwards to help us. |
| 18:14.44 | Dogmai | But they don't make the decisions that can change our lives you know |
| 18:15.07 | ObsceneCereal | I still say the CMs suck :P |
| 18:15.16 | Dogmai | I like the CMs |
| 18:15.18 | Frinckles | So, where is Tofu now? |
| 18:15.19 | Dogmai | They don't like you |
| 18:15.22 | Ahli | what's wrong with the CMs? |
| 18:15.24 | ObsceneCereal | I like them, but I think they suck at being CMs |
| 18:15.25 | Dogmai | But at least you are not Fockewolf |
| 18:15.32 | Dogmai | Tofu is on the Arcade |
| 18:15.42 | Dogmai | The biggest complaint we got is that not enough people play it |
| 18:15.46 | ObsceneCereal | They like me more then you!!! |
| 18:15.46 | Frinckles | Well, imma go play it. :P |
| 18:15.52 | Dogmai | The second complaint was - we put moba heroes in a deathmatch arena |
| 18:15.58 | ObsceneCereal | lawl |
| 18:16.05 | Dogmai | But what people dont understand is that Tofu is a 3 part project |
| 18:16.16 | Dogmai | We only were able to release the first part before finances caught up with us |
| 18:16.20 | Dogmai | The Moba was coming |
| 18:16.27 | ObsceneCereal | You doing a mass type map? |
| 18:16.43 | Dogmai | Evolution Wars X is mass. |
| 18:17.08 | ObsceneCereal | Evolution wars X? |
| 18:17.11 | ObsceneCereal | I thought it was on II |
| 18:17.15 | Dogmai | So Tofu was; Hero Arena *Released* | RPG | Moba |
| 18:17.26 | Dogmai | Under this you had the additional game modes of |
| 18:17.47 | Dogmai | MiniGames (CTF ETC) | Hero Defense | InstanceDungeons etc |
| 18:17.53 | Dogmai | Tofu was a huge project |
| 18:17.57 | ObsceneCereal | ah |
| 18:18.00 | Dogmai | All the framework is there to complete it |
| 18:18.07 | Dogmai | The engine supports all of this |
| 18:18.09 | Dogmai | I just need income |
| 18:18.09 | ObsceneCereal | How would you classify my project? |
| 18:18.15 | Dogmai | it simply comes down to money |
| 18:18.25 | Dogmai | I cannot afford to take another year off work |
| 18:18.47 | Dogmai | Mass game with a hero |
| 18:18.53 | ObsceneCereal | lol |
| 18:19.06 | Ahli | is he taintedwisp? |
| 18:19.09 | Dustin|Work | I've been working AND mapping :P |
| 18:19.13 | Dogmai | Like the abomination child of Evo Wars and Hero Defense / Marine Arena |
| 18:19.22 | Dogmai | duh duh duh |
| 18:19.22 | ObsceneCereal | you gotta admit its pretty fun |
| 18:19.26 | Dogmai | See, you talked too much |
| 18:19.33 | ObsceneCereal | I didnt know it was a secret |
| 18:19.43 | ObsceneCereal | I have used this name several times in the past |
| 18:19.51 | Dogmai | Dustin|Work: Tofu is a full time project |
| 18:19.59 | Dogmai | It is too big not to work full time on it |
| 18:20.07 | Dustin|Work | Ya I could see that |
| 18:20.08 | Dogmai | Otherwise nothing would get done |
| 18:20.18 | pirate|sloop | I do both |
| 18:20.19 | Dogmai | It would take forever and a day after Blizzard time |
| 18:20.30 | Dogmai | When i say full time pirate, I mean 16 hours day |
| 18:20.37 | pirate|sloop | I can get about 20 hours a week done on my projec |
| 18:20.41 | Dogmai | 16 hours a day, 6/7 days a week |
| 18:20.47 | Dogmai | Is what we worked during the crunch times |
| 18:20.49 | ObsceneCereal | Your a full time pirate? |
| 18:20.54 | Dogmai | You're* |
| 18:21.08 | pirate|sloop | I am a pirate full time |
| 18:21.12 | pirate|sloop | but I have a part time job |
| 18:21.19 | pirate|sloop | and I treat modding like a part time job |
| 18:21.27 | Frinckles | Full time pirate, part time sloop? |
| 18:21.41 | pirate|sloop | sloop is the boat I am using for IRC |
| 18:21.42 | Dogmai | See, I got married, I need to support a family |
| 18:21.50 | Dogmai | I do not have the luxury of youth any more |
| 18:22.02 | pirate|sloop | yes, and I have those things working for me |
| 18:22.03 | Dogmai | Fucken late 20's my ass ... -_- |
| 18:22.08 | Dogmai | It catches up with you faster than you realise |
| 18:22.23 | Dogmai | One minute you are free and having fun, next minute ... |
| 18:22.26 | pirate|sloop | currently using the Galleon for modding |
| 18:22.47 | Frinckles | This IRC chat is teaching me never to have a family or trust Blizzard. D; |
| 18:22.54 | Frinckles | Life lessons. |
| 18:23.22 | JademusSreg | How does one arrive at that conclusion? |
| 18:23.37 | Frinckles | Explaining shortly, I need to play Tofu. :o |
| 18:23.38 | Dogmai | it might seem that way from what I write |
| 18:23.46 | Dogmai | But it does not have to be |
| 18:24.00 | Dogmai | I don't care about the money |
| 18:24.04 | Dogmai | I don't care about the time wasted |
| 18:24.09 | Dogmai | But I do care about letting down my wife |
| 18:24.12 | ObsceneCereal | Nah family is the only thing in this world I do want :/, though you will learn that blizzard will screw you over :P |
| 18:24.17 | Dogmai | Who believed in me and supported me for years working on Tofu |
| 18:24.34 | Dogmai | Who put our lives on hold so I could follow a dream on the basis of a promise made |
| 18:24.37 | Dogmai | That was broken |
| 18:24.47 | Dogmai | That is what I regret, letting her down, and my family down |
| 18:25.18 | Dogmai | The experience I got, the project managing skills which increased, the people I met, Dryeyece, Blizzard Developers |
| 18:25.32 | Dogmai | All of that has had an amazing influence on my life and who I am today |
| 18:26.04 | Dogmai | I got to know that I was not alone, and that there were people like me out there at Blizzard, who weren't shunned because they wanted to make games you know |
| 18:26.10 | Dogmai | (No game industry in Australia) |
| 18:26.17 | Dogmai | As stupid as it sounds |
| 18:26.29 | Dogmai | So it has been a good experience, even if it doesn't have a happy ending |
| 18:26.34 | Dogmai | It was a happy journey |
| 18:28.07 | Frinckles | :) |
| 18:28.44 | Frinckles | I feel like I should be playing Tofu with more than just myself. |
| 18:28.52 | Frinckles | Roach pappa. |
| 18:28.59 | Frinckles | too gangstuh |
| 18:29.06 | Dogmai | It really shines 5v5 or higher |
| 18:29.12 | Dogmai | 4v4 or lower, the games are not as fun |
| 18:29.19 | Dogmai | Therein lies the problem |
| 18:29.24 | pirate|sloop | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDL-baUskfc |
| 18:29.58 | Dogmai | I like HD's voice |
| 18:30.02 | Dogmai | But husky entertains me more |
| 18:30.37 | Dogmai | Oh, and btw, we contacted everyone we could think of to try and give us a hand with Tofu's release |
| 18:30.45 | Dogmai | The only people who ever got back to us were LagTV |
| 18:31.03 | Dustin|Work | I wish more people played Tofu |
| 18:31.52 | Dogmai | Which is why I have a huge amount of respect for Adam & Jeff |
| 18:31.57 | Dogmai | Me too mate |
| 18:32.08 | Dogmai | It is a good game, I think we were on to something |
| 18:32.15 | Dogmai | If we could get the Moba up and running you know |
| 18:32.20 | Dogmai | It was different |
| 18:33.24 | Dogmai | The thing that scares me most, and I have mentioned this to the developers and CMs |
| 18:33.32 | Dogmai | I do not believe that anyone higher up knows about the project |
| 18:33.35 | Frinckles | Man, I just don't understand something about the arcade community. Why are such bad games so popular? :( |
| 18:33.46 | Dogmai | Playerbase. |
| 18:34.29 | Frinckles | Yet, player bases don't need sponsors, or kickstarters to show up. |
| 18:34.38 | Frinckles | Why can't all maps be successful? :o |
| 18:35.00 | Dogmai | Like I wish I could have a single game with people like Browder, Sigaty, Morhaime, Pardo and Metzen you know |
| 18:35.10 | Dogmai | People who can make a difference |
| 18:35.31 | Dogmai | Blame it on the system |
| 18:35.39 | Dogmai | ObsceneCereal: |
| 18:35.52 | Dogmai | The Arcade system was flawed in its intial concept and design |
| 18:35.58 | Dogmai | initial* |
| 18:36.04 | Dogmai | There have been leaps and bounds |
| 18:36.21 | Dogmai | But you compound that with the broken promise, it pushed all the talented people away |
| 18:36.51 | Dogmai | Outside Blizzard, there are less than perhaps 5 people with the amount of knowledge we have acquired |
| 18:37.04 | Dogmai | Simply because we spent so long working with the tools and within the system |
| 18:37.19 | Dogmai | And once people leave, they take that knowledge with them |
| 18:37.25 | Dogmai | So the community takes steps backwards |
| 18:37.40 | Dogmai | A great example is Renee, she has so much knowledge, but never released a project |
| 18:37.52 | Dogmai | So she will never fall victim to that trap |
| 18:38.17 | Dogmai | But all the other people, all left |
| 18:38.26 | Dogmai | The ones that remain have too much drama for my liking |
| 18:38.35 | Dogmai | Hence why I very rarely visit Sc2Mapster |
| 18:38.40 | Helral | meow? |
| 18:38.49 | Dogmai | You know damn right what I am talking about cat |
| 18:38.55 | JademusSreg | Considered making a SC2 mapdev guide, but didn't much see the point, given the community trajectory. |
| 18:38.56 | sc2MapsterKitten | meows |
| 18:39.16 | sc2MapsterPuppy | woof woof |
| 18:39.18 | sc2MapsterPuppy | bloody woof woof woof |
| 18:39.27 | ObsceneCereal | HEY!!! CUT IT OUT!!! |
| 18:39.33 | ObsceneCereal | i dont wanna see no catdogs runnin arounhd |
| 18:39.35 | sc2MapsterKitten | swipes at the puppies nose. |
| 18:39.52 | Dogmai | too much RP for me today |
| 18:39.57 | Dogmai | That's it |
| 18:39.57 | sc2MapsterKitten | rolls meowing on the ground |
| 18:39.59 | sc2MapsterKitten | :P |
| 18:40.08 | Dogmai | I went to Blizzard wanting to create a huge tutorial series |
| 18:40.12 | Dogmai | Basically how to recreate Tofu |
| 18:40.24 | Dogmai | Can you imagine how much knowledge that would teach |
| 18:40.25 | ObsceneCereal | I was going to do something similar with evo |
| 18:40.28 | Dogmai | But I got no support |
| 18:40.45 | Frinckles | Why haven't you just done it yourself? |
| 18:40.50 | Dogmai | They liked the idea, but couldn't support it |
| 18:40.52 | sc2MapsterKitten | I think the only big tutorial I have made is still famous... |
| 18:41.05 | Dogmai | Look at it from my family's POV |
| 18:41.10 | Dogmai | I spent years working for no money |
| 18:41.16 | Ahli | I link people to it for learning UI xml code |
| 18:41.18 | Dogmai | On a promise (that they knew about) |
| 18:41.25 | Dogmai | And then, after "failing" |
| 18:41.32 | Dogmai | I give away all my knowledge for free |
| 18:41.50 | Dogmai | The type of person I am, I just want to help the community grow |
| 18:41.50 | ObsceneCereal | I make maps for the sake of it being played :/ |
| 18:41.56 | Dogmai | But I have to side with my family on this one |
| 18:41.59 | ObsceneCereal | too bad the system is against that too -_- |
| 18:42.10 | JademusSreg | RockPaperShotgun covers the SCU Kickstarter with appropriately mixed feelings: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/08/13/kickstarcrafter-starcraft-universe-goes-to-kickstarter/ |
| 18:42.11 | ObsceneCereal | unless you are remaking a well established project under the same name |
| 18:42.21 | Frinckles | You're here helping the community though. :) You helped me. lol |
| 18:42.27 | sc2MapsterKitten | @Ahli: someone actually send me a pm in sc2mapster once thanking me for that tutorial.... that was when I hadn't been online in at least 3 months time. |
| 18:42.36 | Dogmai | The only reason I was 'allowed' to do Tofu is because Blizzard promised us that we could make money |
| 18:42.44 | ObsceneCereal | HE doesnt help me :( he just hates on me :( |
| 18:42.45 | ObsceneCereal | lol |
| 18:43.00 | Dogmai | Alright, so you are not gonna let us make money, I understand, but you can support us in different ways, ways that you know about if you are listening |
| 18:44.13 | Dogmai | It is who I am |
| 18:44.15 | Dogmai | I always help people |
| 18:44.25 | Dogmai | Because I don't want to see anyone else suffer the way I do |
| 18:44.40 | ObsceneCereal | Dogmai we have talked about this... I clearly explained to them in 5 steps how to revitalize the map making community, create a huge boom, and even make money for both mappers and blizzard -_-, they didnt even respond :/ |
| 18:44.48 | Frinckles | Be right back folks.~ |
| 18:44.51 | Dogmai | because you trolled the fuck out of them |
| 18:45.02 | Dogmai | I come from a Corporate background |
| 18:45.04 | ObsceneCereal | I have only dont like 1 post that has trolled blizzard |
| 18:45.12 | Dogmai | I am diplomatic (when needed to be) |
| 18:45.26 | Dogmai | And truthfully, I am a good person, and easy to get on with |
| 18:45.38 | Dogmai | You didn't just burn your bridges, you blew them up with dynamite |
| 18:45.42 | ObsceneCereal | and it wasnt trolling blizzard it was trolling the battle.net communiy QQers |
| 18:45.56 | ObsceneCereal | i always ask for examples but I have never been given one :/ |
| 18:46.05 | Dogmai | But it is the way you talk that puts you in that situation |
| 18:46.24 | Dogmai | The same as it is for me on mapster |
| 18:46.36 | Dogmai | In regards to EW |
| 18:46.44 | ObsceneCereal | But I haven't even talked to them in a bad way :P |
| 18:46.48 | ObsceneCereal | yeah EW doesnt like me either... |
| 18:47.22 | ObsceneCereal | thats because I directly told him to fuckoff though |
| 18:47.57 | Dogmai | I like the article on RPS |
| 18:47.58 | JademusSreg | I help people because sharing what I know is easy if the other person wants to learn. Oh, and also motivated by self-aggrandizing narcissism. |
| 18:48.23 | Dogmai | See that is it. |
| 18:48.31 | Dogmai | The majority of the people in this community are here for a reason. |
| 18:48.40 | Dogmai | Because they lack people skills and it is an escape from real life. |
| 18:48.47 | ObsceneCereal | I help people, so I can have a greater chance of playing a true gem in the future :) |
| 18:49.00 | ObsceneCereal | I lack some people skills, sometimes :P. |
| 18:49.04 | Dogmai | Which is why it is very hard to be hired out of the modding community. |
| 18:49.15 | ObsceneCereal | I cant do small talk :(, its just too stupid and pointless |
| 18:49.18 | Dogmai | Speaking of hiring, why has Eckonovokol been given 3 interviews at Blizzard |
| 18:49.24 | JademusSreg | Yeah, good article that doesn't gloss over the implications of crowdfunding a mod. |
| 18:49.38 | ObsceneCereal | ewwww. |
| 18:49.49 | ObsceneCereal | If he gets on the design for Blizz allstars :/ |
| 18:49.55 | Dogmai | And why is Sotis still chasing Dryeyece and I to do all their work for them |
| 18:49.59 | ObsceneCereal | AOS/Sotis are terrible |
| 18:50.05 | Dogmai | I like Eck, but all he does is copy people |
| 18:50.10 | Dogmai | That is all |
| 18:50.12 | ObsceneCereal | yeah |
| 18:50.17 | ObsceneCereal | you can feel it in his project |
| 18:50.24 | Dogmai | A new idea is announced for DotaII/BAS/LoL/InsertMOBAhere |
| 18:50.28 | ObsceneCereal | It all feels like mexican superman |
| 18:50.29 | Dogmai | Eck must do it! |
| 18:50.40 | ObsceneCereal | lawl |
| 18:50.47 | Dogmai | Racism is how you got into trouble the first time. |
| 18:51.02 | ObsceneCereal | That was a phrase not neccessarily racism :P |
| 18:51.08 | ObsceneCereal | and racism wasnt what got me int rouble |
| 18:51.10 | Dogmai | Tofu blew Sotis out of the water in regards to UI |
| 18:51.20 | Dogmai | Must try match Tofu UI but fail |
| 18:51.27 | Ahli | Sotis UI was done by Wraith |
| 18:51.41 | Dogmai | I thought it was done by Brax |
| 18:51.48 | ObsceneCereal | Actually the phrase "Mexican Superman" Refers to the over abundance of cheap knockoff superman toys from the 1970s. so when something feels like a cheap knockoff its known as a mexican superman |
| 18:52.04 | Dogmai | I did not know that, but now I do. |
| 18:52.10 | ObsceneCereal | Because the toys were made in mexico |
| 18:52.24 | Dogmai | My wife is made in China, not too bad. |
| 18:52.31 | Ahli | afaIk Wraith created it... he was here and I've helped him learning UI modification... I think this was in January |
| 18:52.32 | ObsceneCereal | haha |
| 18:52.46 | ObsceneCereal | Wraith no like me anymore :P |
| 18:53.00 | Dogmai | I am indifferent. |
| 18:53.05 | Dogmai | In regards to him. |
| 18:53.06 | ObsceneCereal | lawl |
| 18:53.21 | Dogmai | Ideally, can communicate on a professional level, that is as far as it goes. |
| 18:53.37 | Ahli | anyway... sotis still didnt fix their hero status bar thing afaIk... |
| 18:53.43 | ObsceneCereal | Hes alright I have no problems with him, he just doesnt like me, because my stance on gay people :/ but I no longer discuss that, because THAT is what got me in trouble |
| 18:53.53 | Dogmai | Wait... |
| 18:54.03 | Dogmai | Wraith is super duper conservative christian |
| 18:54.08 | ObsceneCereal | no he isnt.. |
| 18:54.14 | Dogmai | And you are a well know racist homophobe troll |
| 18:54.25 | ObsceneCereal | I am not racist, I am stereotypical |
| 18:54.26 | ObsceneCereal | :P |
| 18:54.28 | Ahli | don't mix up eternaitwrath and wraithmaster or however he is called |
| 18:54.37 | Dogmai | I am talking about EW |
| 18:54.40 | Dogmai | Who are you talking about |
| 18:54.42 | Dogmai | WM? |
| 18:54.46 | ObsceneCereal | WM |
| 18:54.51 | ObsceneCereal | he created Sotis UI |
| 18:54.52 | Dogmai | god damnit |
| 18:55.01 | Ahli | yes |
| 18:55.03 | Dogmai | I was talking about EW |
| 18:55.06 | ObsceneCereal | lol |
| 18:55.06 | Ahli | EW has his own AoS |
| 18:55.07 | Dogmai | I didnt know there were two |
| 18:55.10 | ObsceneCereal | You were the one who was confused |
| 18:55.15 | ObsceneCereal | I dont like EW cause hes a dick.. |
| 18:55.16 | ObsceneCereal | nothing else |
| 18:55.17 | Dogmai | It was bound to happen. |
| 18:55.25 | Dogmai | Indeed |
| 18:55.28 | ObsceneCereal | Ah |
| 18:55.29 | Dogmai | AoS II |
| 18:55.32 | Dogmai | Then Eck stole it! |
| 18:55.35 | Dogmai | LOLOLOLOL |
| 18:55.36 | ObsceneCereal | Yeah he asked me to join that... |
| 18:55.37 | Dogmai | Had to say it. |
| 18:55.40 | ObsceneCereal | I told him no.. |
| 18:55.49 | Dogmai | Eck stole the name, you get it. |
| 18:55.51 | Dogmai | See what I did there. |
| 18:55.53 | Ahli | he asked me, too... I've no time for that stuff |
| 18:55.53 | ObsceneCereal | yeah |
| 18:55.59 | Dogmai | I thought it was funny -_- |
| 18:56.00 | ObsceneCereal | I told him no because I didnt like him |
| 18:56.11 | Dogmai | AoS II tried to recruit us. |
| 18:56.12 | ObsceneCereal | Thats when he and I started fighting on the forums... |
| 18:56.18 | Dogmai | Sotis/AoS tried to recruit us. |
| 18:56.19 | pirate|sloop | ...I was asked to join SCU |
| 18:56.28 | Dogmai | SCU recruited Dryeyece for his voice |
| 18:56.28 | JademusSreg | Indifference is the most apporpriate response to internet people. Feelings and interpersonal drama seems rather silly. |
| 18:56.30 | ObsceneCereal | I thought SCU was a dead project |
| 18:56.33 | Dogmai | But then you can't hold that against Ryan |
| 18:56.39 | Dogmai | Dryeyece is really, really, southern |
| 18:56.51 | ObsceneCereal | Damn dogmai I like dryeyece but why would ANYONE want THAT southern |
| 18:56.53 | Dogmai | And I like his accent |
| 18:56.56 | ObsceneCereal | That passes swamp language |
| 18:56.57 | Dogmai | Its awesome |
| 18:56.59 | Dogmai | I love his accent |
| 18:57.07 | Dogmai | You should hear us on skype when we swap |
| 18:57.11 | Dogmai | He does mine and I do his |
| 18:57.14 | Ahli | your hero tutorial video the speaker sounds like a redneck or something |
| 18:57.16 | ObsceneCereal | Dryeyece sounds like hes from under the swamp |
| 18:57.23 | Dogmai | Dryeyece is a redneck |
| 18:57.25 | Vailreth | i wonder if there are any good models for a self constructing wall |
| 18:57.26 | Dogmai | My redneck |
| 18:57.29 | Dogmai | And I love my redneck |
| 18:57.34 | JademusSreg | Yeah, fortunately I was born in the south, so made understanding it much easier. |
| 18:57.48 | ObsceneCereal | I am from NC, so I have a decent moderation. |
| 18:57.50 | Dogmai | I have no trouble understanding it |
| 18:57.56 | Dogmai | For the record, the Aussie accent you guys know |
| 18:58.01 | Dogmai | Is our version of redneck |
| 18:58.02 | Dustin|Work | I'm from Kansas, we have too many Rednecks here |
| 18:58.05 | Dogmai | It is called Strine |
| 18:58.15 | Ahli | I don't know Aussie accent :X |
| 18:58.16 | ObsceneCereal | You can never have "too many rednecks" |
| 18:58.25 | ObsceneCereal | Nicest people you will meet, just not the smartest |
| 18:58.26 | Dogmai | I turn brown ... |
| 18:58.40 | Vailreth | not all of them are nice |
| 18:58.45 | ObsceneCereal | yeah thats true |
| 18:58.48 | Dogmai | My ass is white but my skin (tanned) is olive |
| 18:58.52 | Dogmai | Go figure, how does that work |
| 18:58.56 | Dustin|Work | No, they are angry and stupid here, not nice :P |
| 18:59.01 | Vailreth | hell most of them here would as soon spit on you than help you out |
| 18:59.04 | ObsceneCereal | I am ghost white, but When I get a tan I look black :/ |
| 18:59.20 | ObsceneCereal | I got to both sides of the spectrum |
| 18:59.33 | ObsceneCereal | I have a lot of dark german in my family |
| 18:59.39 | Dogmai | Insert non-appropriate joke here that you know what I am thinking of that I am not going to say in case Blizzard is watching. |
| 18:59.43 | Dogmai | >_< |
| 18:59.45 | Ahli | what is a dark German? |
| 19:00.11 | ObsceneCereal | They are germans but when tanned look mexican |
| 19:00.11 | Dogmai | There are dark part so every "fair" race |
| 19:00.15 | Ahli | you need to put a space in front of your sentence and purl won't log it |
| 19:00.23 | Ahli | ~ NSA |
| 19:00.23 | purl | [nsa] No Such Agency (aka. National Security Agency). See Bamford's book, _The Puzzle Palace_. AYBABTU |
| 19:00.39 | ObsceneCereal | ~SAN |
| 19:00.40 | purl | somebody said san was a storage area network or old news with a flashy new name |
| 19:00.52 | Dogmai | ~whois taintedwisp |
| 19:00.53 | purl | methinks taintedwisp is strangely endearing, like a big dumb puppy that just wants to play and piss in your shoes. |
| 19:00.53 | ObsceneCereal | SAN IS THE REAL DEVIL!! |
| 19:01.00 | Dogmai | ~whois dryeyece |
| 19:01.00 | purl | rumour has it, dryeyece is a fat dinosaur on a leash |
| 19:01.05 | Dogmai | lawl |
| 19:01.10 | Ahli | ~whois dogmai |
| 19:01.10 | purl | it has been said that dogmai is a jew |
| 19:01.19 | Dogmai | see, racists |
| 19:01.22 | ObsceneCereal | Who in this chat has such a problem with jews? |
| 19:01.32 | Dogmai | I thought you wrote that |
| 19:01.35 | ObsceneCereal | I have noticed several people being insulted by being called a jew |
| 19:01.43 | ObsceneCereal | NO I love jews and muslims, and dont understand the fued at all |
| 19:01.45 | Dogmai | Since when is jew an insult? |
| 19:01.57 | Dogmai | I don't get that part of America |
| 19:02.03 | Dogmai | Why do you make a race or a religion an insult |
| 19:02.12 | ObsceneCereal | hah |
| 19:02.23 | Ahli | if you live in Germany between 193x and 1945... it might be |
| 19:02.25 | Dustin|Work | Uh, that's the world, not just america :P |
| 19:02.26 | ObsceneCereal | Meh, I dont hate any other race :) |
| 19:02.44 | ObsceneCereal | I just say the stereotypes for a reaction its funny how pissy become due to a string of words |
| 19:02.49 | Vailreth | Jew is also a neagative conotationed slang for Bargining |
| 19:03.04 | Dogmai | I went to school with an Aryan German |
| 19:03.07 | ObsceneCereal | There is only 1 "Relgion" I hate |
| 19:03.09 | Dogmai | I went to school with a Jewish girl |
| 19:03.11 | ObsceneCereal | And thats scientology |
| 19:03.13 | Dogmai | They ended up sleeping together |
| 19:03.18 | Dogmai | Who cares? |
| 19:03.33 | ObsceneCereal | lol |
| 19:03.39 | Vailreth | i dont Hate Scientology ...i just wish it would go away |
| 19:03.43 | ObsceneCereal | lawl |
| 19:03.43 | Vailreth | painfully |
| 19:03.46 | Vailreth | in fire |
| 19:03.58 | Dogmai | Pure freedom does not work |
| 19:04.04 | Dogmai | give people absolute freedom |
| 19:04.07 | Dogmai | they will turn into dicks |
| 19:04.08 | Ahli | scientology is a company :X kept alive by stupid rich people |
| 19:04.08 | ObsceneCereal | Scientology literally kidnaps its own members, Charges them fees into poverty, and uses its lawyers to attack anyone who says anything against it |
| 19:04.35 | ObsceneCereal | Scientology the only "Church", that you have to pay to go to... -_- |
| 19:04.41 | Dogmai | so, it is kinda like a normal religion then? |
| 19:04.44 | Dogmai | I fail to see the difference |
| 19:04.52 | Ahli | pay money, get tortured, earn a new rank... :X |
| 19:05.06 | Dogmai | When I look at the "superchurches" of the christian world |
| 19:05.08 | Dogmai | I see no difference |
| 19:05.16 | ObsceneCereal | Not to mention that scientology was created on a bet, from Hubbard who claimed he could create a religion so that he wouldn't have to pay taxes |
| 19:05.17 | Dogmai | God is in your heart, regardless of religion |
| 19:05.25 | ObsceneCereal | yeah, same dogmai |
| 19:05.40 | Dogmai | He doesn't need money |
| 19:05.42 | Dogmai | He can make his own |
| 19:05.45 | Dogmai | After all, who is he? |
| 19:05.46 | Vailreth | i do not identify with any existing religion |
| 19:05.49 | Dogmai | There you go ... |
| 19:06.09 | ObsceneCereal | Well some churches I understand the collection of money, like my grandmothers, They collect it and donate it or repair the church itself, no church member gets paid |
| 19:06.15 | Vailreth | if i had the charisma i would start my own... |
| 19:06.18 | Dogmai | I have my own ideals, but I know better than to discuss them. |
| 19:06.19 | Frinckles | I think math is just like a religion. |
| 19:06.24 | Dogmai | Live and let live. |
| 19:06.27 | Ahli | there is no god. all there is is your own legacy for your species. |
| 19:06.35 | Dogmai | How do you figure that one out Frinckles |
| 19:06.46 | Dustin|Work | Lol religious debate, haven't seen one since Tainted Wisp was here |
| 19:06.51 | ObsceneCereal | Because math only runs on your belief of hte value of the numbers :P |
| 19:06.55 | Frinckles | It's a system we believe in to help us understand the world around us. |
| 19:07.04 | Dogmai | Touche |
| 19:07.09 | Dogmai | Welcome to the conversation |
| 19:07.11 | Almaity | thats a good one |
| 19:07.11 | Dustin|Work | Match = Science |
| 19:07.11 | ObsceneCereal | 1 and 2, and the same value :) |
| 19:07.12 | Dogmai | I like you more |
| 19:07.12 | Frinckles | In a broad sense, it could be said that it doesn't exist. |
| 19:07.20 | Dustin|Work | Science is a belief system that can be proven |
| 19:07.21 | Vailreth | math and science are just like religions.. faith based systems based on improvable postulates accepted as given fact |
| 19:07.30 | Frinckles | Science, I do not believe is math. |
| 19:07.38 | Dustin|Work | Math is science |
| 19:07.52 | Frinckles | Science is physical, observable. Math is neither of those. |
| 19:08.01 | Dustin|Work | It most certainly is |
| 19:08.02 | ObsceneCereal | But dustin let me ask you this, If science can only be proven by science, is it really difference then christianity being proven by christianity |
| 19:08.21 | Ahli | I'm only in church for wedding, burial and tradition, but not for the belief that I believe in a transient being. :S also, most religions contain good values for the people... values that make them better function within a society. |
| 19:08.36 | Dustin|Work | Science is proven through strict rules, observance and peer review |
| 19:08.55 | Dustin|Work | It is also constantly questioned and redefined as we learn more |
| 19:09.06 | ObsceneCereal | I dunno, i believe that I will figure it out from now until the day I die to be honest, And I will make my own conclusions. |
| 19:09.09 | Vailreth | sometimes redefined ... |
| 19:09.14 | JademusSreg | absconds from Intractable Pointless Argument. Gained 423 experience points. |
| 19:09.21 | ObsceneCereal | lawl |
| 19:09.25 | Vailreth | when what we learn proves what he knew to be false |
| 19:09.26 | Dustin|Work | It's proven through repetition and the ability to reproduce our facts |
| 19:09.28 | Dogmai | wp jade |
| 19:09.33 | ObsceneCereal | Pointless arguements are fun though it keeps people from going insane |
| 19:09.36 | Dogmai | even I gotta stay out of this one |
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| 19:09.55 | Almaity | Pointless arguments are what drives me insane :) |
| 19:10.01 | Dustin|Work | That's where science > religion, we don't just accept something, it's rigorously reviewed, examined and tested |
| 19:10.11 | ObsceneCereal | lawl |
| 19:10.16 | Frinckles | Wrong :) |
| 19:10.20 | Dogmai | can we talk about something else. |
| 19:10.26 | Frinckles | Science has it's own methods of faith. |
| 19:10.30 | Dogmai | sc2MapsterKitten: woof |
| 19:10.33 | Frinckles | Which I would suggest it math itself. |
| 19:10.35 | ObsceneCereal | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.39 | ObsceneCereal | nah jk |
| 19:10.47 | Dogmai | all jokes are based on truth |
| 19:10.53 | ObsceneCereal | lol |
| 19:10.56 | Dogmai | and this is why you rubbed blizzard the wrong way |
| 19:11.03 | ObsceneCereal | lol |
| 19:11.11 | ObsceneCereal | Meh if it happened it happened |
| 19:11.11 | Frinckles | :P lol |
| 19:11.28 | ObsceneCereal | they dont seem to listen to anyones advice so, like me, dont like it it doesnt affect me in the least |
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| 19:11.37 | Dogmai | Not a matter of listening to advice |
| 19:11.44 | Dogmai | They are in the position they are in for a reason |
| 19:11.45 | Vailreth | blizzard maybe have made some, questionable decisions in both business and game design in some things but they are still a good company |
| 19:12.05 | Dogmai | You have trouble separating your inner developer from your inner player |
| 19:12.12 | Vailreth | i deo |
| 19:12.14 | Vailreth | do* |
| 19:12.22 | Frinckles | Meanwhile at the Blizzard IRC chat.. |
| 19:12.24 | Dogmai | Add that to a lack of people skills, or amazing trolling skills, there go! Problem! |
| 19:12.38 | Dogmai | Blizzard trolls us just as much as we troll them. |
| 19:12.42 | ObsceneCereal | YOU KEEP SAYING TROLLING BUT WHAT TROLLING GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE!!!! |
| 19:12.58 | Dogmai | Hands up if anyone here thinks that Tainted has never trolled Blizzard? |
| 19:12.59 | ObsceneCereal | I made 1 marine should be removed post and all of a sudden :/ |
| 19:13.18 | ObsceneCereal | I know I have a reputation for trolling but time and time again there have been no examples given |
| 19:13.31 | Frinckles | Here's a question, if Blizzard turned off WC3's battle.net.. wouldn't the Starcraft community flourish? :D |
| 19:13.32 | Dogmai | See that IRC silence. See what I did there. I made everyone stop posting. |
| 19:13.39 | Vailreth | no |
| 19:13.42 | Dogmai | No |
| 19:13.45 | ObsceneCereal | nah frink Wc3 is dead |
| 19:13.46 | Dogmai | Different player bases |
| 19:13.47 | ObsceneCereal | Thats all bots |
| 19:13.50 | Dogmai | Different markets |
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| 19:13.57 | Dogmai | The Wc3 player base is mainly in Asia |
| 19:14.03 | Dogmai | Where computers are a lot slower |
| 19:14.05 | Almaity | they'd need to pay to get to SC2 |
| 19:14.09 | Dogmai | Hence why Dota 1 is so popular in China |
| 19:14.12 | Ahli | isn't wc3 player base all on illegal servers? |
| 19:14.17 | Dogmai | Cause it can be run on nearly anything |
| 19:14.20 | Dogmai | Yes |
| 19:14.21 | ObsceneCereal | Wc2 base is :) |
| 19:14.24 | ObsceneCereal | I am on there quite a bit |
| 19:14.25 | Dogmai | But it is not a result of piracy |
| 19:14.35 | Ahli | just like SCBW pro scene used ICCUP instead of bnet |
| 19:14.37 | Dogmai | It is a result of battle.net providing a less than optimal platform |
| 19:15.09 | Dogmai | Missed opportunities |
| 19:15.16 | Vailreth | unless its seriously overhauld bnet and the Marketplace will never be optimal. |
| 19:15.22 | Dogmai | Indeed |
| 19:15.27 | Dogmai | They need new blood |
| 19:15.31 | ObsceneCereal | Well the thing is, this isnt 1998 anymore... |
| 19:15.34 | Dogmai | The people there are amazing designers |
| 19:15.40 | Dogmai | But they haven't fought against the system |
| 19:15.50 | Dogmai | They don't see it from the other side of the fence |
| 19:15.53 | ObsceneCereal | The custom community could and should be put on a seperate platform... |
| 19:15.54 | Dogmai | But as I said, hiring from this community |
| 19:15.54 | Ahli | when they fight, they get replaced by the management :X |
| 19:16.04 | Dogmai | There are not that many people who could actually go into a corporate world |
| 19:16.10 | ObsceneCereal | There is no longer a reason to restrict us to 1 game |
| 19:16.22 | Vailreth | i know i couldnt handle the business world |
| 19:16.23 | Dogmai | Dryeyece and I and Dustin are the only ones with that kind of experience? |
| 19:16.29 | Ahli | I'm working on being a manager one day |
| 19:16.51 | ObsceneCereal | I could handle it, But I would have to radically adapt my personality, nothing I haven't done before |
| 19:16.57 | Vailreth | i keep my game design and sc2 tinkering as a hobby |
| 19:17.07 | Dogmai | You might be able to handle it, but not many people could handle you. |
| 19:17.20 | ObsceneCereal | :P |
| 19:17.27 | ObsceneCereal | I am much different in the real world then on a PC :) |
| 19:17.28 | Dogmai | That is what it comes down to. |
| 19:17.35 | Frinckles | .__. I just don't understand why monetary and corporate interests are even a thing. I've always viewed map makers as hippies, spreading the love and creativity at no expense. |
| 19:17.41 | Dogmai | People skills. |
| 19:17.44 | Dogmai | I cannot stress it enough,. |
| 19:17.51 | Dogmai | No one wants to work with an asshole. |
| 19:18.00 | Dogmai | Happy work environment = productive work environment |
| 19:18.05 | ObsceneCereal | I have people skills :P, I just no longer use Internet Etiquette |
| 19:18.12 | Vailreth | unless you are handsome jack ... |
| 19:18.29 | ObsceneCereal | yeah handsome jack represents most mid level employers lol |
| 19:18.34 | ObsceneCereal | just dicks... |
| 19:18.40 | Dogmai | Frinckles, developers go hungry |
| 19:18.53 | Dogmai | like freelance graphic designers |
| 19:18.58 | Dogmai | or freelance photographers |
| 19:19.04 | Dogmai | I have seen it happen oh so many times |
| 19:19.28 | Dogmai | I was lucky, when I started my firm, my family was well connected |
| 19:19.38 | ObsceneCereal | Honestly the gaming industry is about to get hurt more, with the over abundance of quality Indies through crowd fundings and such. |
| 19:19.38 | Dogmai | I landed contracts simply because of my name |
| 19:19.45 | Vailreth | yeah you do not make anything freelance |
| 19:19.52 | Dogmai | So I could survive, but not many people can do that |
| 19:20.02 | Dogmai | That is it |
| 19:20.09 | ObsceneCereal | Freelance is great if you dont have a job and you just need money to hold you over until you can find something |
| 19:20.09 | Dogmai | See how fucked up my life is? |
| 19:20.14 | Dogmai | I am always one step ahead of the heard |
| 19:20.20 | Dogmai | It is like anything I decide to do, everyone follows |
| 19:20.25 | Dogmai | Just shitty timing on my part |
| 19:20.52 | Dogmai | Hence why I am happy with my hobby farm |
| 19:21.16 | Dogmai | IRL hobby farm. |
| 19:21.30 | Dogmai | Provides food, get company |
| 19:21.50 | ObsceneCereal | if you live in america, and your in any industry your about to be fucked lol |
| 19:21.56 | Dogmai | I caught one of my ducks today cause I wanted to give him a hug |
| 19:22.00 | Dogmai | He still hates me |
| 19:22.08 | ObsceneCereal | Unless its private school, private prisons etc |
| 19:22.20 | ObsceneCereal | Private services that are alternatives to public services |
| 19:22.27 | Dogmai | Weddings, Funerals and Births |
| 19:22.31 | Dogmai | Always money to be made in those |
| 19:22.40 | ObsceneCereal | America is about to loose the USD :P |
| 19:22.46 | ObsceneCereal | within the next 3-4 years |
| 19:23.04 | ObsceneCereal | Thats why nows the time to convert to assets |
| 19:23.06 | Dogmai | Still no email from Blizzard ... |
| 19:23.12 | Dogmai | 3:30am .. |
| 19:23.18 | ObsceneCereal | A few countries are already petitioning for us to lose it |
| 19:23.29 | Dogmai | How can you lose the USD |
| 19:23.32 | ObsceneCereal | Chances are the Euro will be the next one |
| 19:23.44 | ObsceneCereal | The USD means the Universal Standard Dollar |
| 19:23.57 | ObsceneCereal | For any country to trade with another htey have to buy USD first and then trade |
| 19:23.59 | Dogmai | i thought it was united states dollar |
| 19:24.00 | Frinckles | I thought it was United States Dollar. |
| 19:24.01 | Frinckles | lol |
| 19:24.03 | ObsceneCereal | nope |
| 19:24.04 | ObsceneCereal | lol |
| 19:24.07 | Dogmai | wait |
| 19:24.10 | ObsceneCereal | the UK had it until 1987 |
| 19:24.12 | Dogmai | you cant be smarter than us |
| 19:24.17 | ObsceneCereal | :P |
| 19:24.25 | Dogmai | usd |
| 19:24.27 | Dogmai | Abbreviation |
| 19:24.29 | Dogmai | United States dollar. |
| 19:24.31 | Dogmai | Google is never wrong! |
| 19:24.40 | Frinckles | Neither is Wikipedia. |
| 19:24.48 | ObsceneCereal | http://www.nswiki.net/index.php?title=Universal_Standard_Dollar |
| 19:24.51 | Dogmai | Did you just troll us? |
| 19:24.52 | Frinckles | My college professors say otherwise. But hey. |
| 19:24.57 | Frinckles | lol |
| 19:25.23 | ObsceneCereal | :P |
| 19:25.37 | ObsceneCereal | any ways when we loose is the US dollar will be worth much less |
| 19:26.09 | Vailreth | i want to talk about mapping |
| 19:26.09 | Frinckles | I'm going to pretend like I know what I'm doing with the Galaxy Editor for a while. |
| 19:26.37 | Ahli | USD is like the hamburger index or however that was called |
| 19:26.38 | ObsceneCereal | lol |
| 19:26.52 | Frinckles | Actually, not yet. I think I should figure out how to make a character selection screen first. |
| 19:27.12 | Frinckles | Like, multiple characters per account.. with a character creation button. |
| 19:28.46 | ObsceneCereal | lol |
| 19:29.05 | ObsceneCereal | So Vailreth what are you up to mapping wise? |
| 19:29.52 | Vailreth | redoing my Invasion map and working on some heros for some reason ...not sure why |
| 19:30.28 | Dogmai | If you guys haven't checked out Evolution Wars X |
| 19:30.35 | Dogmai | Go check it out, we made it in less than 5 days |
| 19:30.44 | Dogmai | To see what is possible |
| 19:32.26 | Frinckles | Dogmai, add me. :P |
| 19:32.33 | ObsceneCereal | On a scale of 1-evofrenzy how good is it? |
| 19:34.02 | Dogmai | on? |
| 19:34.09 | Frinckles | Neato hanguel on the how-to page. |
| 19:34.13 | Frinckles | Sc2 |
| 19:34.27 | Frinckles | I thought you were gonna play evolution wars x. |
| 19:34.51 | Dogmai | loggin in |
| 19:36.16 | Dogmai | channel tma |
| 19:36.42 | Dogmai | coming ObsceneCereal Ahli Dustin|Work Vailreth G0A |
| 19:36.48 | ObsceneCereal | omw |
| 19:37.30 | Vailreth | hmm i will give it a look |
| 19:37.42 | Dogmai | game full |
| 19:37.45 | Dogmai | too slow <3 |
| 19:38.06 | Vailreth | hmm oh well .. |
| 19:38.25 | Dogmai | next one |
| 19:38.41 | Dogmai | the engine can support 14 players |
| 19:38.45 | Dogmai | but the map sizes ... |
| 19:44.11 | Dustin|Work | I would, but I'm at the Office Dogmai |
| 19:44.24 | Dogmai | plptt |
| 19:53.41 | deadzergling | ObsceneCereal, another TW alias? |
| 19:57.40 | *** part/#sc2mapster G0A (~hookah604@91.82.26.135.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 19:57.41 | Dogmai | no |
| 19:57.45 | Dogmai | breakfast |
| 19:57.56 | Dogmai | from uni |
| 19:58.05 | deadzergling | why is he referring to evo frenzy then :P |
| 19:59.16 | Dustin|Work | Shhhh ;) |
| 20:01.36 | deadzergling | he talks randomly and very quickly too, yea, it's him |
| 20:10.55 | Dogmai | we dont know anything |
| 20:11.06 | Dogmai | all we know is that there is someone here that we like talking to |
| 20:11.08 | Dogmai | that is all |
| 20:11.17 | Vailreth | hm |
| 20:13.33 | Vailreth | i think i like evo frenzy more.. |
| 20:21.10 | deadzergling | did you get a chance to ask him about it finally Vailreth? |
| 20:22.14 | Dogmai | ask who what |
| 20:22.31 | Otixa | GDC vault is so laggy >:C |
| 20:24.49 | deadzergling | oh, well Vailreth did some data work on Evo Frenzy |
| 20:24.55 | deadzergling | he was curious on it's progress |
| 20:25.00 | deadzergling | *its |
| 20:25.53 | Dogmai | oh |
| 20:25.59 | Dogmai | i thought it was about evo wars x |
| 20:30.18 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 20:31.22 | deadzergling | Hi Jade, doing anything exciting? |
| 20:35.15 | JademusSreg | Perhaps. |
| 20:35.50 | JademusSreg | I've got 2 of 4 ability branches for the Outer Shield in the Xel'Naga AI boss fight working. |
| 20:37.13 | Dustin|Work | nice |
| 20:37.59 | JademusSreg | Basically, autocast instant ability, search area for enemy Heroic units, random branch, warning persistent, launch missile, and each branch behaves differently. |
| 20:38.17 | JademusSreg | I'll dropbox the current version. |
| 20:39.30 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/JademusDemo.SC2Map |
| 20:40.23 | JademusSreg | Nova Lance and Nova Flare are working, though they lack sounds and some visual bits. |
| 20:43.51 | JademusSreg | Going through an iteration on the design, in other words; redoing many of the abilities, attacks, and implementations. |
| 20:44.42 | JademusSreg | The new approach to the boss abilities should scale well with the number of players, too. |
| 20:46.21 | Dustin|Work | nice! |
| 20:48.01 | JademusSreg | Each player gets targeted with a random branch simultaneously. Ought to keep things interesting. |
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| 20:52.33 | JademusSreg | Nova Lance launches a compact toroid plasma missile in the direction of the target; it travels linearly to the edge of the arena, then returns, leaving a trail which damages the players and recovers the shields of friendly units. |
| 20:54.25 | JademusSreg | Nova Flare launches a CTPM at the position of the target, where it bursts to deal initial impact damage and leaves a region which damages the players and buffs friendly units (still working out what would make a suitable bonus). |
| 21:07.40 | deadzergling | scaling w/ number of players, what a fun one that is |
| 21:08.06 | deadzergling | on the one hand, if it is 1 to 1 ratio of scaling, not a lot of incentive to group |
| 21:08.19 | JademusSreg | Damage output. |
| 21:08.23 | deadzergling | on the other, monsters not scaling quite so much |
| 21:08.29 | deadzergling | allows people to zerg it |
| 21:08.38 | JademusSreg | I'm not scaling stats, of course. |
| 21:08.54 | deadzergling | just abilities? |
| 21:09.07 | JademusSreg | Rather, there's no means by which to not be targeted. |
| 21:09.22 | JademusSreg | So it keeps everyone on their toes/fingertips. |
| 21:09.29 | deadzergling | not scaling hp or damage? |
| 21:09.41 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 21:10.19 | deadzergling | I see, well that would encourage grouping |
| 21:10.36 | JademusSreg | Or at least, I don't intend to scale stats, hopefully this approach is sufficient. |
| 21:10.43 | deadzergling | I did a scaling of HP, movement speed, experience amount, and damage amount |
| 21:11.37 | deadzergling | HP is about 50 % more per player, movement speed about 10 % per 3, experience amount 100 % per player, and damage amount about 20-80 % for 2-8 players |
| 21:11.52 | deadzergling | kept them separate so if anything is too crazy, I can just scale that part back a bit |
| 21:12.22 | ObsceneCereal | Evo-Frenzy is progressing okay, the maker is looking for someone to help by optimizing/ bug fixing triggers last I checked |
| 21:12.39 | ObsceneCereal | he is currently creating new Attachment based units. |
| 21:12.41 | deadzergling | perhaps the maker should spend more time in triggers |
| 21:12.51 | deadzergling | and not so much on cool looking heroes |
| 21:12.54 | deadzergling | lol |
| 21:12.56 | ObsceneCereal | The maker has spent a ton of time in triggers, and has become well versed :P |
| 21:13.11 | Ahli | the maker should be able to fix the bugs then |
| 21:13.31 | ObsceneCereal | Unfortunatly no matter how long he looks at them, he cant find what is going wrong with it haha |
| 21:13.38 | deadzergling | how long you gonna talk about yourself in third person, lol |
| 21:13.43 | ObsceneCereal | lawl |
| 21:13.49 | Ahli | ^^ |
| 21:13.52 | ObsceneCereal | Until he feels good and ready to re-enter first person |
| 21:13.55 | ObsceneCereal | haha |
| 21:14.34 | ObsceneCereal | But yeah Vailreth, progress is going great, if you want to rejoin and help with it more just Message Faintwolf on skype :) |
| 21:14.52 | Vailreth | ok |
| 21:15.09 | ObsceneCereal | I have pretty much the next 8 heroes Designed |
| 21:22.30 | deadzergling | guess Quaaad went to use the Reactor |
| 21:29.42 | ObsceneCereal | yeah vailreth you should check out the map whenever you get bored, I added some pretty neat stuff :). I completely redesigned the bosses, completely redesigned the hero select, created a player leveling system, and several other cool things |
| 21:29.59 | Vailreth | cool |
| 21:43.51 | Vailreth | do you mind if i add that as a contact on skype? |
| 21:44.49 | *** join/#sc2mapster Necromoni (c87bd416@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.123.212.22) |
| 21:45.28 | deadzergling | he obviously doesn't man, he gave it right to you :) |
| 21:45.34 | deadzergling | he wants you to add him |
| 21:46.40 | deadzergling | he is a little preoccupied atm, I'm telling him what is wrong w/ his triggers, lol |
| 21:49.48 | ObsceneCereal | go for it |
| 22:00.32 | Vailreth | i have abandoned my "serious" projetcs because i like to tinker and such more than get something done but i am working on an "Invasion" map |
| 22:03.54 | ObsceneCereal | ah, Cool |
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| 22:14.51 | Zolden | mapmakermen |
| 22:14.56 | ObsceneCereal | What you want? |
| 22:15.16 | Zolden | who, I? |
| 22:15.34 | ObsceneCereal | No, u |
| 22:16.10 | ObsceneCereal | Whats up zolden |
| 22:16.19 | Zolden | I want this chat to gain activity after mapmakermen get back from their summervacations |
| 22:16.59 | Zolden | otherwise mapmakermen will have to mapmake lonely in their underground laboratories and laugh madly when stom strikes lightnings |
| 22:17.12 | Zolden | this is what's up |
| 22:17.39 | ObsceneCereal | It wont gain activity again, its missing something very important :( |
| 22:17.41 | Ahli | busy tinkering with android UI stuff |
| 22:18.58 | Zolden | it will! |
| 22:19.06 | ObsceneCereal | YOU KNOW WHAT ITS MISSING!!!!!! |
| 22:19.49 | Zolden | (hitler once said that when someone told him that army will never push front line back to russia) |
| 22:19.58 | Zolden | it's missing something, it's true |
| 22:20.02 | Zolden | and it's not easy to miss it |
| 22:20.09 | Zolden | but it's still not that bad |
| 22:20.39 | ObsceneCereal | Hitler was also an idiot and lost nearly half his army due to the cold of the north |
| 22:20.45 | ObsceneCereal | Same with napolean |
| 22:21.18 | Ahli | history repeats ^^ |
| 22:21.25 | Zolden | crpa, can't log in to the forum to call some nobbs noobs |
| 22:21.39 | Zolden | Ahli: are you making a game for android? |
| 22:22.38 | Ahli | yes, I have to ^^ |
| 22:22.53 | Zolden | why you have to? |
| 22:22.56 | Zolden | also, what game? |
| 22:23.01 | Ahli | bachelor thesis |
| 22:23.17 | Ahli | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalah |
| 22:23.18 | Zolden | Ahli: you should say to blizz that since they have blessed scu to do kickstarter and advertized it, they can do it to your diablo map too |
| 22:23.39 | ObsceneCereal | not just blizz... gamespot, and joystiq too |
| 22:24.03 | Ahli | I won't kickstart it... I've no time for anything "serious" where I have to deliver something or match deadlines |
| 22:24.23 | Ahli | I'm starting my masters degree and that will eat up a lot of time... |
| 22:24.34 | ObsceneCereal | actually kickstarter isnt backed up by the law in any way |
| 22:24.45 | Ahli | also, I'm German, I can't kickstart anything |
| 22:24.56 | Zolden | oh |
| 22:24.59 | ObsceneCereal | there snothing FORCING you to do anything. just empty promises |
| 22:25.10 | Zolden | lol |
| 22:25.13 | Ahli | I think it's only US and Canada atm |
| 22:25.33 | Zolden | in russia we have "boomstarter" |
| 22:25.49 | deadzergling | ah Hello Zolden , how goes it |
| 22:25.53 | Zolden | russians steal shit like facebook and other successfull services |
| 22:26.06 | Zolden | deadzergling: what's wrong with your "D"? |
| 22:26.10 | Ahli | I assume there would be problems with the law in Germany... also backing other projects as a German can result in your stuff not being delivered as the German border control will just not let the product be imported |
| 22:26.17 | deadzergling | it was in the pool |
| 22:26.48 | Zolden | lol |
| 22:26.52 | Ahli | people that backed up the ouya console or however it was called didn't receive it here due to the German "Zoll" not allowing the import... (I'm not sure if they allowed it after a while) |
| 22:26.55 | Zolden | in a cold pool i guess |
| 22:27.46 | Zolden | some local laws could be changed to fit the internet era |
| 22:27.57 | Necromoni | russians steal alot of ideas |
| 22:28.02 | Necromoni | i mean look at sc2 arcade |
| 22:28.03 | Necromoni | lol |
| 22:28.15 | Ahli | laws are made by old people. Old people don't understand new technology options... |
| 22:28.25 | Zolden | what exactly do you Necromoni mean? |
| 22:28.35 | Ahli | therefore laws regarding new technology is delayed or malfunctioning... |
| 22:28.54 | Necromoni | hue |
| 22:28.56 | Ahli | which country accidentially allowed people to beat up gays? was it russia? |
| 22:29.00 | Zolden | russians has stolen nuke secrets from americans, and that prevented ww3 (my guess) |
| 22:29.10 | ObsceneCereal | Young people dont understand life or morals too well either though. Just think about what you were thinking a few weeks ago, and how stupid it now seems, now think about where you will be next week :) |
| 22:29.18 | Necromoni | russians 1 other parts of the world 0 |
| 22:29.46 | Necromoni | what he tlking about :o |
| 22:29.47 | Zolden | Ahli: what if you sell a game on app store or something like that, will you have to pay taxes? |
| 22:29.49 | Necromoni | i'm lost |
| 22:30.10 | Ahli | don't know... I assume |
| 22:30.34 | Zolden | Ahli: russian parliament is full of monkeys atm |
| 22:30.55 | Ahli | well, in theory I would have to sell taxes because I received money for something... else it's black labor or something |
| 22:31.23 | Ahli | yeah... they failed hard when they f*cked that up... it's like they wanted to make that "mistake" |
| 22:31.40 | Zolden | ObsceneCereal: I still think that shit on a road - is someone's joke, and if there's alot of shit on a road, it means that alot of funny people live around, nothing changed in my thoughts |
| 22:31.54 | Ahli | because the law was intended to fight child molesting, if I'm informed correctly |
| 22:32.14 | Ahli | or sexual child abuse |
| 22:34.01 | Zolden | Ahli: putin's monkeys fail every day, that gay law is just a single example of a long array of the stupidest laws the world ever saw. They were elected by cheating, they are 100% corrupted, it is probably even worth then african parliament |
| 22:34.37 | Zolden | Necromoni: are you russian? |
| 22:34.47 | Ahli | is there no uproar for the failing people to step down? |
| 22:34.59 | Ahli | or is that not happening because a lot of people failed together |
| 22:35.59 | Ahli | if the latter is the case, I wouldn't elect those incompetent idiots. But then the elections are rigged again, etc... |
| 22:36.38 | Zolden | Ahli: educated people tried hard to force reelections, but alot of them were put in prison, and there was another law, against people who come to streets and ask to reelect corrupted lawmakers. It's just absurd |
| 22:36.47 | Necromoni | nope |
| 22:36.55 | Necromoni | why? |
| 22:37.18 | Zolden | Necromoni: because you said things i didn't understand, so i thought you're russian |
| 22:37.24 | Necromoni | lol |
| 22:37.53 | Ahli | shouldn't you understand him when he would be Russian, too? ^^ |
| 22:38.02 | Necromoni | I just think it's funny that noone is coming up with any new games for the sc2 arcade |
| 22:38.36 | Necromoni | and that lot of mappers tht have good maps are russians who copied other maps would be a good adition to the convo |
| 22:38.37 | Necromoni | idk |
| 22:38.39 | Zolden | my experience says that if a russian mapmaker trying to speak english, i can't hardly understand him |
| 22:38.40 | Otixa | There's no reason to create for SC2A |
| 22:38.57 | Otixa | Zolden, kinda like yourself then :P |
| 22:39.07 | Zolden | Otixa: did you finish your app map? |
| 22:39.16 | Otixa | No, working on it |
| 22:39.27 | deadzergling | push the chocolate/cardboad coins with the slider! |
| 22:39.37 | Otixa | hits deadzergling with a stick |
| 22:39.39 | Zolden | will you then just put itto the store and it will generate money for you? |
| 22:39.45 | Necromoni | Not true, I think the arcade needs more maps |
| 22:39.49 | Otixa | Hopefully ;p |
| 22:39.52 | deadzergling | bonus experience for understanding why the lighting is the same no matter what way they are turned or positioned |
| 22:40.10 | Zolden | was it hard to learn unity? is it similar to c++ in any ways? |
| 22:40.22 | Otixa | Well, it's C#, so yeah, kinda ;p |
| 22:40.40 | Otixa | hits deadzergling with a stick again |
| 22:40.41 | Zolden | good, one day ill try somthing for that shit |
| 22:40.46 | deadzergling | a lot like C++, only less errors |
| 22:41.04 | Zolden | good, c++ errors drive me insane sometimes |
| 22:41.11 | Necromoni | milking the app market eh |
| 22:41.24 | Otixa | I like moneys ;p |
| 22:41.27 | Necromoni | lol |
| 22:41.34 | deadzergling | Otixa the milk maid |
| 22:41.36 | deadzergling | I like it |
| 22:41.42 | Otixa | Got an idea for a bit less casual game now |
| 22:41.47 | Zolden | maybe app market is the shortest way between programming for fun and income |
| 22:41.47 | Necromoni | sucks that i'm not experienced enough to milk it too |
| 22:41.48 | Otixa | Will try it after this shit |
| 22:41.48 | Necromoni | lol |
| 22:41.49 | Otixa | ;D |
| 22:41.59 | Necromoni | lucky ass nigas |
| 22:42.08 | JademusSreg | *Gigas |
| 22:42.14 | Necromoni | that |
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| 22:42.44 | Otixa_ | fecking interwebs |
| 22:42.49 | Necromoni | theres a good business into working for gamekiller too |
| 22:42.51 | Otixa_ | got that last part? ;p |
| 22:42.51 | deadzergling | so due to extreme procrastination I still haven't put in that new UI stuff yet Otixa_ |
| 22:42.56 | Necromoni | if youre a good programmer |
| 22:42.59 | deadzergling | I fully plan to though :P |
| 22:43.06 | Otixa_ | deadzergling, you tard >:| |
| 22:43.17 | Otixa_ | Why the fuck did you rush me to make it then? >:[ |
| 22:43.20 | Necromoni | i think it's monthly pay? |
| 22:43.23 | Otixa | A puzzle platformer, where you can draw your own platforms |
| 22:43.33 | Necromoni | and they need programmers? |
| 22:43.40 | deadzergling | because I forgot I had kids that day |
| 22:43.42 | deadzergling | :P |
| 22:43.56 | Otixa_ | hits deadzergling with multiple sticks |
| 22:44.16 | Zolden | isn't gorgetting that you have kids - a relief? |
| 22:44.38 | deadzergling | yes, it means I have a chance in hell to get anything done |
| 22:44.49 | Otixa_ | Speaking of... |
| 22:44.51 | deadzergling | but I remember every time I get home |
| 22:44.55 | Otixa_ | Gotta paint textures ;/ |
| 22:45.17 | Zolden | paint has pain in it |
| 22:45.27 | Otixa_ | indeed ;\ |
| 22:45.28 | deadzergling | besides Otixa_ , whenever I say something like, oh just do it when you can |
| 22:45.35 | deadzergling | when they can is typically never |
| 22:45.44 | JademusSreg | Zoople. |
| 22:46.32 | Zolden | JademusSreg: checked night sky recently to observer falling meteorites |
| 22:46.33 | Necromoni | :o |
| 22:46.39 | Otixa_ | Technically, I did not officially express my permission for you to use the assets |
| 22:46.42 | Zolden | ? |
| 22:46.43 | Otixa_ | cackles maniacally |
| 22:47.05 | deadzergling | sure you did, after insisting I give you credit for that work |
| 22:47.35 | Otixa_ | Must paint stone stuff ;| |
| 22:47.57 | Otixa_ | fuck everything |
| 22:48.08 | deadzergling | I wouldn't even tell you about it Otixa_ if I didn't appreciate the work |
| 22:48.09 | Zolden | get stoned, paint stone |
| 22:48.15 | deadzergling | I have every intention of making good use of it you know :P |
| 22:48.34 | Otixa_ | pats deadzergling on the face |
| 22:48.47 | deadzergling | *with a stick, lol |
| 22:49.15 | Otixa_ | yup ;> |
| 22:58.32 | Frinckles | Hallo |
| 22:58.45 | Frinckles | How is everyone? :D |
| 22:59.33 | Ahli | great. I'm laughing at the person who was upset about jaedong cheesing in the WCS AM finals' last game... |
| 22:59.58 | Ahli | http://www.twitch.tv/chanmanv and I'm surprised that destiny can talk like 5 minutes about that :X |
| 23:01.23 | Frinckles | Ooooh |
| 23:01.31 | Frinckles | Dey mad. |
| 23:01.47 | Frinckles | Well, does anyone have some info on banks? |
| 23:02.12 | Frinckles | I'm trying to get my foot in the door with an RPG project, but I'd like to know how people obfuscate the code or whatever it is they do. |
| 23:02.29 | deadzergling | oh lots of ways, really |
| 23:02.38 | Frinckles | 50% of people on the forums say everything is hackable, the other half say Starcode or something. |
| 23:02.45 | deadzergling | i know guy refers to items as a combination of 1 i and l |
| 23:02.55 | Ahli | well, everything is hackable |
| 23:02.56 | deadzergling | so they make no sense at all |
| 23:03.13 | deadzergling | starcode makes it harder, but still hackable |
| 23:03.27 | Ahli | eyivin (how the heck do you write his name?) described how you can hack every bank |
| 23:04.01 | Ahli | Blizzard's signature: a program can create a valid signature for the bank -> low protection |
| 23:04.49 | Frinckles | So I guess the best way to protect maps it to use banks for as few things as possible and make them as random as possible? |
| 23:05.36 | Ahli | starcode can compress a lot of information into small values making information unreadable and difficult to guess changes: maps' code is easily accessible. But it requires the cheater to look at your map's code (or edit your map) |
| 23:06.06 | Ahli | so, this is more difficult, but it stops most hacking attempts |
| 23:06.26 | deadzergling | however, with what eiviyn described |
| 23:06.34 | deadzergling | a total waste of time, lol |
| 23:07.01 | JademusSreg | I made myself rank 19 on Warships, sooo. |
| 23:07.10 | JademusSreg | Banks are entirely too vulnerable. |
| 23:07.52 | Ahli | just use something that makes changes difficult (-> hash library) or use starcode to make your values unreadable |
| 23:08.03 | ObsceneCereal | IF you want your banks to be perfectly secured without any change of decryption, then do this, Combine strings into several groups, then Covert each group to hexidecimal, then create a unique Vigesimal system, (not 1-j) convert the hexi to the vigesimal, then there you have it |
| 23:08.07 | JademusSreg | Warships uses Starcode. |
| 23:08.32 | Ahli | perfectly secured??? what? |
| 23:09.00 | ObsceneCereal | Its nearly impossible to crack a system that is not vigesimal but is similar to it in a way to where you have made it unique. |
| 23:09.15 | Ahli | download map, edit values that the map stores... most likely some global values like "scores[]"... |
| 23:09.19 | Ahli | then save bank |
| 23:09.26 | ObsceneCereal | Ah. |
| 23:09.41 | Ahli | it's not required to undecypher values... you would just go around all protection mechanisms |
| 23:09.50 | ObsceneCereal | hmm |
| 23:10.24 | Ahli | since you can't protect the code that creates that stuff -> banks are not secure at all |
| 23:10.38 | ObsceneCereal | Wll if you are REALLY serious about it you could always phrase your triggers in a way so that without a key it would be impossible to tell which trigger does what |
| 23:10.39 | Frinckles | Wish you could throw away the key somehow.. so to speak. |
| 23:11.06 | ObsceneCereal | but that wouldn't completely solve the problenm |
| 23:11.19 | Ahli | ObsceneCereal: then you would just search for the native usage for the bank saving actions, and follow the calls from there |
| 23:11.26 | ObsceneCereal | ah |
| 23:11.38 | ObsceneCereal | Well Ahli Imm abe honest, if someone goes through THAT much trouble, they can have it :/ |
| 23:11.55 | ObsceneCereal | Least they had to work for it |
| 23:13.54 | ObsceneCereal | Hmm I wonder if its possible to make the bank run through the data editor :/ |
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| 23:14.22 | deadzergling | think you missing the point, lol |
| 23:14.28 | ObsceneCereal | I think I am to |
| 23:14.30 | deadzergling | whatever system the map/mod uses |
| 23:14.38 | deadzergling | if you rip the map/mod itself |
| 23:14.38 | Ahli | so, starcode/hash + signature + mapscript obfuscation is the best way to do it right now... |
| 23:14.53 | deadzergling | it will do whatever you want it to for you |
| 23:15.34 | ObsceneCereal | brb |
| 23:15.37 | ObsceneCereal | playing last of us |
| 23:18.11 | Ahli | for example, there is the ".de" mail that is announced to be secure... it's secure on the way between the stations on its path... but it's not safe in the stations as they scan for viruses, etc. So they unprotect the mail's content on their computers for analysis. Then someone could hack those servers and get everything from there... people will always attack the weakest link in the security... |
| 23:19.34 | Zolden | we need quantum coding to make banks unhackable |
| 23:19.43 | Zolden | do bnet support quantum operations? |
| 23:20.53 | Ahli | you would need banks stored on Blizzard's server |
| 23:21.26 | Ahli | then they would need to hack that and that's more risky than tinkering with a file on your computer |
| 23:21.42 | Zolden | not banks, only one map-related bank with a key |
| 23:23.18 | Zolden | actually i want map related server side bank for other things |
| 23:27.11 | deadzergling | giving them more excuses to hack the main servers |
| 23:27.14 | deadzergling | sounds grrrreat! |
| 23:27.38 | deadzergling | doubt it'll happen to have a higher rank in warships though, lol |
| 23:27.44 | Zolden | i wish they hack it at first place and add server side banks |
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| 23:53.57 | Zandose | hi |
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| 23:56.19 | Zandose | Question: I attached a actor/model to a unit and want to destroy the attached actor/model without having to save it to a variable. |
| 23:56.41 | ObsceneCereal | okay? |
| 23:56.57 | ObsceneCereal | on you created it via triggerS? |
| 23:57.34 | Zandose | yes |
| 23:57.35 | Zolden | you can send destroy to actor |
| 23:57.40 | Zolden | not sure about model |
| 23:58.03 | Zolden | ObsceneCereal: and how if your map going? |
| 23:58.08 | Zandose | thats parts fine but how do i do it without saving which actor to a variable |
| 23:58.25 | ObsceneCereal | Pretty good, I have been taking a break from it for the past few weeks though |
| 23:59.02 | Zolden | Zandose: guess you can use a correct aliase |