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| 00:12.57 | JademusSreg | Have I missed anything significant? Been busy. |
| 00:13.56 | A1win | I'm wasting my time on The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot beta :X |
| 00:15.47 | JademusSreg | I've heard a bit about the game, but can't recall anything about it. |
| 00:16.03 | JademusSreg | Title reminds me of the tablegame Munchkin. |
| 00:16.26 | A1win | it's a diablo clone with cartoon graphics, and where each player has their own castle that other players can attack to steal money from them (with a cooldown) |
| 00:17.08 | A1win | singleplayer in the actual gameplay, but you're (almost) always attacking someone else's castle, so it's kind of interactive as well |
| 00:17.26 | A1win | the player can't do anything while you are in the castle though, it creates a new instance of it when you enter |
| 00:17.39 | A1win | very well designed overall D: |
| 00:17.57 | A1win | UI atm is horribly buggy but hopefully they fix it before release |
| 00:18.04 | JademusSreg | Sooo asynchronous multiplayer, which suggests it's a damn "social game". |
| 00:18.35 | A1win | what do you mean by social game? :x |
| 00:18.51 | Deaod | the kind you would find on facebook probably... |
| 00:18.56 | JademusSreg | Played on a social platform, which means Facebook, yeah. |
| 00:19.07 | Deaod | anyway, its not really asynchronous. |
| 00:19.32 | Deaod | rather, the multiplayer is twofold. |
| 00:19.41 | A1win | the gameplay is very fun, about equal to Diablo 3, just a bit simpler in some aspects |
| 00:19.46 | Deaod | which are interlinked. |
| 00:20.02 | Deaod | you build your own castle (as a dungeon) |
| 00:20.03 | JademusSreg | Colour me confused. |
| 00:20.13 | Deaod | and you attack other players castles |
| 00:20.22 | JademusSreg | I like the idea so far. |
| 00:20.35 | A1win | I have a stream up if you want to take a look |
| 00:20.48 | JademusSreg | Can't, busyish. |
| 00:20.53 | Deaod | attacking other players castles gives you items and gold which you need to make your dungeon harder |
| 00:21.23 | Deaod | well, items actually help you attacking other players |
| 00:21.33 | JademusSreg | So can you fuck up someone else or no? |
| 00:21.53 | Deaod | not really. |
| 00:21.58 | A1win | nah, the stealing aspect is really limited |
| 00:22.04 | Deaod | you cant destroy the castle, if thats what you mean |
| 00:22.33 | A1win | if you stop playing for a long time, all your money will probably get stolen eventually |
| 00:22.49 | A1win | but the money isn't very important, you spend it pretty much as you gain it |
| 00:22.52 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that's what I mean. Sounds like what is typically labelled as "asynchronous multiplayer". |
| 00:23.11 | JademusSreg | There's no actual touching. =D |
| 00:23.17 | A1win | yeah |
| 00:23.36 | A1win | oh I forgot to say, you can watch replays of other players going through your castgle |
| 00:23.39 | A1win | *castle |
| 00:23.39 | A1win | it's awesome |
| 00:23.53 | A1win | it records every attack |
| 00:24.18 | A1win | then you can adjust your castle if you notice it fails in some ways |
| 00:24.23 | A1win | and you can test your own castle as well |
| 00:24.24 | JademusSreg | Like SimpsOnline, you go to someone's house, and see the other player's avatar, but it's not the other player. Lame. |
| 00:24.29 | Gluon | jade, how would you go around making a unit unmovable but without preventing it to attackmove on the ground? |
| 00:24.52 | Gluon | but still being turnable |
| 00:24.53 | JademusSreg | Glu, several approaches. What's the design? |
| 00:25.01 | A1win | last night I got 16 kills in my castle before someone got through |
| 00:25.08 | Gluon | just a unit that attacks stuf around it |
| 00:25.21 | A1win | then the cooldown went active, and no one bothers attacking it while it's on, since they can't steal my stuff, only get drops from mobs |
| 00:25.29 | JademusSreg | Like an Ancient Protector? |
| 00:25.43 | Gluon | but, it unticking the turnable flag does everything I want, eccept that I cant click the ground anymore |
| 00:25.47 | Gluon | when i pres attack |
| 00:25.52 | Gluon | can only target units |
| 00:26.09 | Gluon | now you're wondering why would you want it to be able to attack move if it cant move? |
| 00:26.22 | JademusSreg | Yes, that's what I mean by "design". |
| 00:26.25 | Gluon | it just "feels" better when you missclick |
| 00:26.33 | JademusSreg | Er. |
| 00:26.41 | Gluon | its just how it is |
| 00:26.45 | Gluon | its satisfying |
| 00:26.46 | JademusSreg | You can just have a different order use the same hotkey. |
| 00:27.14 | Gluon | uhm |
| 00:27.28 | JademusSreg | Or use the same button, like how Science Vessels and Ravens have Scan-Move. |
| 00:27.47 | Gluon | not sure im following you |
| 00:27.47 | JademusSreg | That way it doesn't conflict with Attack-Move orders in the same control/selection group. |
| 00:27.52 | Gluon | i can use the attack button |
| 00:28.03 | Gluon | but I can only click units with it |
| 00:28.06 | Gluon | i cant click the ground |
| 00:28.19 | Deaod | how about replacing the attack icon entirely? make it an ability that can target units and the ground, and order it to attack the nearest unit in range if the user missclicks |
| 00:28.45 | Gluon | uhm yea I could do that |
| 00:28.53 | JademusSreg | Let's reboot this dialogue. What is the design, in the sense of what is doing It, what does It look and sound like, how does It behave? |
| 00:28.57 | Gluon | I just thought there was a simple thign I didnt think of |
| 00:29.08 | Gluon | its just a marine |
| 00:29.13 | Gluon | that is unmovable |
| 00:29.18 | Gluon | and units spawn around it |
| 00:29.29 | Gluon | and they are allied so you must target them |
| 00:29.50 | Gluon | very simplistic |
| 00:30.07 | Gluon | i tried setting speed/acceleration to 0 while having it movable |
| 00:30.23 | Gluon | but doing that removes the attack move too |
| 00:30.28 | JademusSreg | And what function does Attack-Move on the ground serve in this context? |
| 00:30.59 | Gluon | JademusSreg, its hard to explain if you dont play starcraft a lot |
| 00:31.00 | Gluon | but |
| 00:31.04 | JademusSreg | Just need to understand the design to find the optimal solution. |
| 00:31.36 | Gluon | if you missclick, and hit the ground, if it attacks move it shows the arrow thingys on the ground where you clicked |
| 00:31.40 | Gluon | so you know where it was |
| 00:31.51 | Gluon | if the ground is just unclickable |
| 00:31.54 | Gluon | it just doesnt feel right |
| 00:32.15 | JademusSreg | So rather than error and prevent mistakes, you want players to be able to make mistakes. |
| 00:32.18 | JademusSreg | Yes? |
| 00:32.25 | Gluon | yea |
| 00:32.28 | Gluon | this |
| 00:32.29 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 00:33.04 | Gluon | im glad no one came up witha super simple answer yet |
| 00:33.10 | JademusSreg | Narrowed it down to a few approaches. |
| 00:33.12 | Gluon | means I didnt miss anything stupid :D |
| 00:33.39 | Deaod | heh, i dont know anything about the editor, so dont expect anything |
| 00:34.00 | JademusSreg | I can think of some units which may behave this way. |
| 00:34.21 | Gluon | uhm does spine craler do this? |
| 00:34.22 | JademusSreg | Yagdra and Ashworm, possibly. |
| 00:34.38 | JademusSreg | SpineCrawler uses a turret; the base is stationary. |
| 00:35.10 | Gluon | ah |
| 00:35.16 | JademusSreg | Yagdra and Ashworm rotate and are stationary, so those are good references. |
| 00:35.30 | Gluon | could I somehow restrict the unit to a very very small region? |
| 00:35.39 | JademusSreg | Is that desirable? |
| 00:35.39 | Gluon | so that its almost a point |
| 00:35.46 | Gluon | why not? |
| 00:36.21 | JademusSreg | There are approaches, sure, but does that fit the design? |
| 00:36.47 | Gluon | absolutely |
| 00:37.21 | Gluon | oh wait |
| 00:37.25 | Gluon | when I attack move |
| 00:37.27 | Gluon | it would |
| 00:37.38 | Gluon | try to walk towards the point |
| 00:37.45 | Gluon | for a few seconds |
| 00:37.52 | Gluon | until AI figures out it cant reach it |
| 00:37.55 | Gluon | i think? |
| 00:39.07 | JademusSreg | Once you figure out the design, I can explain the optimal solution. |
| 00:41.22 | Gluon | oh wait, thats nothing a stop command cant fix |
| 00:41.30 | Gluon | JademusSreg, im not sure what you mean |
| 00:41.36 | Gluon | ive anready explain did I? |
| 00:43.07 | Gluon | I just want to restrict it |
| 00:43.13 | Gluon | to super small region |
| 00:43.37 | Gluon | but I dont think I can do it with no pathing regions |
| 00:43.47 | Gluon | cause it would be too big |
| 00:48.22 | Gluon | I think ill make the smallest circle shaped region possible |
| 00:48.46 | JademusSreg | Well, you keep changing the design, hah. |
| 00:48.50 | Gluon | and if unit leaves region then order stop command and move unit to center of region |
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| 00:49.06 | Gluon | would that be optimal? |
| 00:49.08 | JademusSreg | Or rather more accurately, seems like you've not figured out the design. |
| 00:49.38 | Gluon | JademusSreg, the design isnt 100% fix, i can make compromises |
| 00:50.05 | JademusSreg | There's no need to start wondering about hacky compromises when there are direct solutions. |
| 00:50.30 | Gluon | ok |
| 00:50.41 | Gluon | ill tell you the perfect deseign |
| 00:50.53 | Gluon | unit is unmovable |
| 00:51.12 | Gluon | can attack move the ground but it doesnt make it move, only turn to point towards that direction |
| 00:51.22 | Gluon | it can also move click the ground |
| 00:51.26 | Gluon | which has the same effect |
| 00:51.55 | Gluon | any other required specifications? |
| 00:52.23 | JademusSreg | How to do shit: One starts from the design, determines an approach, and implements a solution. Design compromises should not be considered unless an approach can't be determined, or the implementations of all approaches attempted are not satisfactory. |
| 00:52.52 | JademusSreg | "it can also move click the ground which has the same effect" What does this mean? |
| 00:53.21 | JademusSreg | It can move, but it's attack command doesn't cause it to move? |
| 00:53.24 | JademusSreg | *its |
| 00:53.28 | Gluon | it means you can right click |
| 00:53.39 | Gluon | it will only make it turn towards that point |
| 00:53.46 | Gluon | but its unmovable so it wont move. |
| 00:54.19 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 00:54.27 | Gluon | JademusSreg, that means you can press A then left click the ground |
| 00:54.55 | JademusSreg | And the attack is unit-only, not a ground-targetable AOE or such? |
| 00:55.15 | Gluon | no its just normal attack |
| 00:55.28 | JademusSreg | So the former. |
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| 00:55.51 | Gluon | its a JIm Raynor (Sniper) btw |
| 00:56.10 | Gluon | yea its just unit only |
| 00:57.17 | JademusSreg | Turn is in the command array for the Move ability; it targets a point, so it should replace the move command on the command card. |
| 00:57.36 | Gluon | would there be a way to turn off whatever turns off atatck move when I unheck movable flag? |
| 00:58.04 | JademusSreg | Patience, hah. Checking some references. |
| 00:58.09 | Gluon | sure |
| 01:01.07 | JademusSreg | Movable false, Turnable true, Acceleration and Speed 0, and a 1*1 footprint might help. |
| 01:01.51 | JademusSreg | Is that your current setup? |
| 01:02.49 | Gluon | not, i put speed and acceleration back to default |
| 01:03.11 | Gluon | didnt try the 1&1 footprint |
| 01:04.38 | A1win | just found a ring called Epic Ring Is Epic |
| 01:05.15 | DeadZergling | time for another round of staring at models in the cutscene editor till I find one I like |
| 01:07.22 | JademusSreg | If that doesn't produce the desired results, add new ability EffectTarget, field Effect > Issue Order effect, set Effect : Unit to Caster, Target : Target to Target Unit/Point (so it can fail on selecting ground). |
| 01:07.23 | JademusSreg | bbl |
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| 02:07.10 | Gluon | guys |
| 02:07.11 | Gluon | I think |
| 02:07.14 | Gluon | imma genius |
| 02:07.22 | Gluon | i built an algorithm |
| 02:07.25 | Gluon | to spread data virally |
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| 02:07.35 | Gluon | through all players to lp[ay the map |
| 02:20.07 | Gluon | Kappa |
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| 02:21.56 | JademusSreg | Viral banks are well-documented. |
| 02:24.24 | egod | my map is completed |
| 02:24.34 | egod | i need a releasde date |
| 02:25.18 | JademusSreg | Any date-based jokes to be made in the near future? |
| 02:25.21 | egod | i hear during wow server down is a good spot |
| 02:29.54 | JademusSreg | Release it on the 00th day of the 8th month of 1985. |
| 02:30.13 | egod | i am born 1985, so nice |
| 02:30.17 | JademusSreg | And say it's 28 years late. |
| 02:30.39 | egod | and i have 28 year old |
| 02:31.04 | JademusSreg | Yes, but see, the date is a whimsical joke. |
| 02:39.49 | egod | i dont get it |
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| 03:01.40 | Dogmai | you can't make those kinds of jokes with someone who does not speak english as a first language |
| 03:01.44 | Dogmai | it just won't make sense |
| 03:01.58 | Dogmai | egod, you have been working on it and receiving donations for your project for nearly 3 years |
| 03:02.05 | Dogmai | release it this year |
| 03:02.36 | egod | will release the trailer probably this week |
| 03:02.42 | egod | with a official release date |
| 03:02.56 | egod | working on it right now |
| 03:03.31 | Gluon | JademusSreg, well documented??? |
| 03:03.49 | Gluon | i asked ppl in here afew times if they knew a link that talks about it |
| 03:03.53 | Gluon | no one ever had a clue |
| 03:03.58 | Gluon | so i made my own |
| 03:04.00 | Dogmai | I mowed the lawn, gave the grass to the ducks, they hate me just a little bit less <3 |
| 03:04.02 | Gluon | from scratch :/ |
| 03:04.24 | JademusSreg | Dogmai, fair point. |
| 03:04.24 | Dogmai | Gluon: you're too late |
| 03:04.33 | Dogmai | We wrote it for tofu |
| 03:04.43 | Dogmai | A virus that would be given out via one person |
| 03:04.53 | Dogmai | And an antidote via another |
| 03:05.05 | Dogmai | To see how far and how quickly it would spread |
| 03:05.11 | JademusSreg | Glu, congrats on implementing a known approach. Time to celebrate. |
| 03:05.24 | Dogmai | But we wanted to get server time from battle.net, thus we never released it |
| 03:05.28 | Dogmai | But this is going back 2 years |
| 03:08.43 | Gluon | Dogmai, thats interresting |
| 03:08.51 | Gluon | yea the server time was a problem for me too |
| 03:09.12 | Gluon | but i was able to do without it by using an icrement integer |
| 03:09.30 | Gluon | so the higher it is the more recent |
| 03:09.38 | Gluon | but |
| 03:09.44 | Dogmai | We tracked what generation the virus was |
| 03:09.48 | Gluon | do you have more details about your thign? sounds interresting |
| 03:09.48 | Dogmai | And who you got it from |
| 03:10.09 | Dogmai | So you know how far removed you were from the point of origin |
| 03:10.16 | Dogmai | The virus just replaced sounds in the game, nothing major |
| 03:10.26 | Gluon | oh |
| 03:10.26 | Gluon | so |
| 03:10.31 | Gluon | it actually did something? |
| 03:10.36 | Dogmai | Yea |
| 03:10.51 | Gluon | only if the map loaded it |
| 03:10.53 | Gluon | on purpose |
| 03:11.01 | Dogmai | ? |
| 03:11.09 | Gluon | only if the map loaded this bank |
| 03:11.18 | Dogmai | It infected player's banks |
| 03:11.29 | Gluon | uhm |
| 03:11.30 | Gluon | so you mean |
| 03:11.35 | Gluon | an actual computer virus? |
| 03:11.37 | Dogmai | Each player has their own bank file |
| 03:11.43 | Dogmai | No, a Sc2 virus |
| 03:11.52 | Dogmai | I call it a virus of how it would spread |
| 03:12.00 | Dogmai | But it would do no damage outside the tofu bank system |
| 03:12.07 | Dogmai | Even then, it just replaced the startup sound with moo |
| 03:12.18 | Dogmai | So we nicknamed it the Moo Moo Virus |
| 03:12.48 | Gluon | interresting |
| 03:14.02 | JademusSreg | The SC2 script API is very thoroughly locked-down; arbitrary code execution has yet to be accomplished, so it's unlikely a genuine virus could be distributed over SC2 bnet. (Wc3 battlenet, on the otherhand...) |
| 03:14.31 | Dogmai | Indeed |
| 03:14.35 | Dogmai | It is not a true virus |
| 03:14.39 | Dogmai | But just variables |
| 03:14.48 | JademusSreg | Yar. |
| 03:14.58 | Dogmai | It was just some fun we were gonna put in one day |
| 03:15.01 | JademusSreg | Wanted to clarify that point for Glu. |
| 03:15.08 | Dogmai | Ah |
| 03:15.10 | Dogmai | Ta |
| 03:15.27 | JademusSreg | Chun-Li-esque. |
| 03:17.36 | JademusSreg | (The only possible hole, one that may have exposed a memory address to the script, was patched years ago.) |
| 03:19.06 | Gluon | are there any known maps that use viral banks? |
| 03:19.28 | JademusSreg | Any that maintain metagamer leaderboards. |
| 03:19.32 | JademusSreg | *metagame |
| 03:20.01 | Dogmai | Rodrigo's maps |
| 03:20.03 | Dogmai | Like Debates |
| 03:20.04 | JademusSreg | iirc, Rodrigo's -- |
| 03:21.12 | Gluon | wtf is a metagame leaderboard? |
| 03:21.32 | Gluon | oh yea Ive played debates |
| 03:21.42 | Gluon | i lose every time though |
| 03:21.55 | Gluon | cause it kill syou when you curse |
| 03:22.28 | JademusSreg | I need a bag of eyeballs and a bowling alley, because I need to roll some eyes. |
| 03:24.15 | Dogmai | I like bowling |
| 03:24.18 | Dogmai | It is too expensive |
| 03:24.23 | Dogmai | I like going to the movies |
| 03:24.36 | Dogmai | But the movies are like nearly $30 USD now |
| 03:25.04 | Dogmai | Hence why Australians are the largest group of "pirates" in the world |
| 03:25.18 | Dogmai | How about everyone stop fucking us over -_- |
| 03:25.34 | Dogmai | From memory, the Cinemas in the US should be under $10 |
| 03:26.49 | egod | the truth about this world... or the truth of this world |
| 03:26.56 | egod | or my sentence suck ? |
| 03:27.00 | Dogmai | Depends on the context |
| 03:27.16 | Dogmai | What is the rest of the sentence |
| 03:27.30 | egod | I need to know, the truth |
| 03:27.35 | egod | and the rest come |
| 03:27.59 | egod | about this world or of this world ? |
| 03:28.21 | JademusSreg | The truth: one often comes, then rests. Satisfactory? |
| 03:28.51 | egod | e what? lol |
| 03:34.57 | Gluon | region question guys: a unit "enters a region when its center point enters the region or when its radius does? |
| 03:35.31 | JademusSreg | Radius. |
| 03:36.50 | Gluon | k tks |
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| 06:06.21 | egod | i just made a awesome trailer |
| 06:06.31 | egod | well...the begin suck |
| 06:06.38 | egod | but the gameplay footage is awnsome |
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| 06:18.25 | JademusSreg | Orly? |
| 06:25.41 | egod | heheheh |
| 06:45.18 | JademusSreg | Have a link or is it not yet uploaded? |
| 06:45.25 | egod | hm |
| 06:45.47 | egod | the video is done, tell me what you think on twitch? |
| 06:46.20 | JademusSreg | Busy, atm, thus why I ask about a link, so I can check it out later. |
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| 06:46.31 | egod | cause i will not release it yet |
| 06:46.39 | egod | i still not sure when release the map |
| 06:46.46 | egod | next month or next week :) |
| 06:47.01 | DeadZergling | is there a limit to how many units can be health linked via behavior? |
| 06:47.37 | JademusSreg | Deadz, dunno, but if there is, it would be a power of 2. |
| 06:47.55 | DeadZergling | think it is above 50 at least? |
| 06:48.11 | JademusSreg | It's easy to test. =D |
| 06:48.43 | DeadZergling | easier still to ask here, anyways :) |
| 06:52.04 | DeadZergling | was just playing around with the idea of throwing a druid like class into my project, some abilities would require I figure out how to use that behavior I think |
| 06:52.49 | JademusSreg | Yeah, never tested the bounds on Conjoin, but if I had to guess, I'd expect it to be the same limit on a selection group, 255. |
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| 08:34.33 | MoonEater | anyone out there? |
| 08:40.26 | Zolden | maybe |
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| 09:05.58 | Zolden | so, damage response cooldown defines the time the effect can't be applied after the last application? |
| 09:08.30 | Zolden | also, are cloak visual effects defined by actor events? |
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| 09:20.15 | Zolden | yes and no |
| 09:20.19 | Zolden | who're you? |
| 09:20.26 | Zolden | i'm you from the future |
| 09:20.38 | Zolden | is putin still president? |
| 09:20.41 | Zolden | yes ;/ |
| 09:20.43 | Zolden | ;/ |
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| 10:48.05 | Stewox | whos a programmer around here |
| 10:50.42 | Zolden | you have a question? |
| 10:51.02 | DeadZergling | get a better response if you asked, who thinks they are a programmer around here |
| 10:51.05 | Stewox | ja |
| 10:51.11 | Zolden | lol |
| 10:51.44 | Stewox | i can't find proper code for a numbers in range generator |
| 10:51.50 | Stewox | python |
| 10:51.59 | Stewox | but it doesn't work, don't know how to use the program |
| 10:52.18 | Stewox | so i started a windows forms with visual basic in VCpp |
| 10:52.44 | Stewox | I need to output all IPv4 adresses from range |
| 10:53.00 | Stewox | for example from 156.33.0.0 to 156.33.255.255 |
| 10:53.34 | Stewox | output them to a multiline textbox and then i already have set up save to file the text in the texbox |
| 10:54.21 | Stewox | and i need to output them all in their own line |
| 10:54.36 | Stewox | one ip per line |
| 10:54.51 | Stewox | Private Sub Start_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles ButtonStart.Click |
| 10:55.03 | Stewox | and the code, and im done |
| 10:55.33 | Stewox | I have 2 textboxes for start and end range |
| 10:55.59 | Stewox | don't search the web it only finds webshit |
| 10:56.59 | Zolden | where is the problem? what part of this you know how to program and what part you don't know? |
| 10:57.39 | Stewox | i don't know how to make the mathematical calculations |
| 10:57.46 | Stewox | im not a programmer |
| 10:58.46 | Zolden | why do you program if you're not one? |
| 10:59.01 | Stewox | i want this so im doing it my self |
| 10:59.12 | Stewox | that's what i always do |
| 10:59.18 | Stewox | already did a few programs |
| 10:59.22 | Stewox | with help |
| 10:59.56 | Zolden | you need to increment the first operand until it equals to the second one |
| 11:00.13 | Zolden | before this you need to check if the first one is < then the second one |
| 11:00.32 | Stewox | yeah but telling me won't really help i have no idea what to write or where to start with |
| 11:00.39 | Stewox | i don't know all the operations in VB |
| 11:01.00 | Zolden | before the each increment and after the least one, you need to print the object and go to the next ilne |
| 11:01.07 | Stewox | I was scripting games, those are subsets i know a lot, but real programming not much |
| 11:01.17 | Zolden | i don't know vb too |
| 11:01.22 | Stewox | well thank anyways explaining how it should be done |
| 11:01.42 | Stewox | yeah i figured that, i just picked VB to be easier for winforms |
| 11:01.52 | Stewox | or do you want to switch to something else ? |
| 11:02.27 | Zolden | i used to program on C++ |
| 11:02.38 | Stewox | for example the "next line command" ... but that can be later |
| 11:03.19 | Zolden | if you use visual environment, list objects ususally have a function to go to the next line |
| 11:03.57 | Stewox | ofcourse i use visal , how do you think i would make the ui |
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| 11:56.32 | DeadZergling | could make the ui via code, lol |
| 11:58.01 | Zolden | you're funny today DeadZergling |
| 11:58.04 | Zolden | make more jokes |
| 11:58.15 | Zolden | do you know hitler jokes? |
| 11:58.35 | DeadZergling | knew a guy who knew a bunch of really good ones, he got gased though |
| 11:58.49 | Zolden | yea, nice |
| 11:59.55 | Zolden | going to make a reaper with doom2-like super shotgun attack |
| 12:00.05 | Zolden | will spread hits on a long distance |
| 12:00.15 | Zolden | sad we can't use formulas in data |
| 12:02.54 | DeadZergling | even if we could, how do you know you'd be able to pull the variables you want? |
| 12:03.54 | Zolden | yea, it's only a dream |
| 12:04.11 | Zolden | sure it's easy to make in triggers |
| 12:04.14 | Zolden | but fuck them |
| 12:04.43 | DeadZergling | you are thinking stuff like attacker attack points, level, weapon versus defender armor class and level |
| 12:04.44 | Zolden | i won't use triggers for attacks |
| 12:04.44 | DeadZergling | right? |
| 12:05.20 | Zolden | actually, i'm not sure |
| 12:06.14 | Zolden | there are multiple cases that require formulas, and each of them has different ways of solving them by adding some kind of formula dependenties |
| 12:06.21 | DeadZergling | yea, i considered using triggers for attacks |
| 12:06.26 | DeadZergling | but then came to the conclusion that..... |
| 12:06.36 | DeadZergling | No one fucking cares about RPG like damage tables |
| 12:06.39 | DeadZergling | just make a fun game, lol |
| 12:07.38 | Zolden | what's rpg like damage tables? |
| 12:08.03 | Zolden | to change armor system? |
| 12:09.34 | DeadZergling | it varies from RPG to RPG |
| 12:09.51 | DeadZergling | i just figured you were referring to that when you said you wanted to use formulas for data after talking about a shotgun |
| 12:10.25 | Zolden | yes, it's one of the applications for formulas |
| 12:10.57 | Zolden | but for shotgun it would be a way to make hits spread wider with distance to target |
| 12:11.00 | Zolden | like in doom 2 |
| 12:12.07 | Zolden | but anyway, triggers are there for us, formulas in data look a bit excessive |
| 12:12.13 | Zolden | maybe even ugly |
| 12:21.16 | DeadZergling | probably easiest way to do that in data is a switch checking the range |
| 12:25.05 | Zolden | yes, i've got the same idea |
| 12:26.28 | Zolden | the only problem is that I have a persistent with 29 offsets. And I need to create 2 or 3 more with each offset coordinate multiplied by 0.618 |
| 12:30.33 | DeadZergling | good thing you know how to edit via xml mode then :) |
| 12:32.02 | Zolden | i want a program, that would multiply each value for me, but i'm lazy to create one |
| 12:33.27 | Zolden | wait, it would be easier to make a program that would generate a set of coordiantes |
| 12:42.13 | DeadZergling | well you have fun with that anyways |
| 12:42.17 | DeadZergling | i'm off myself |
| 12:58.06 | Zolden | crap, so rusty |
| 12:58.21 | Zolden | how to print shit into Memo text? |
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| 13:01.48 | SaVi | hey guys |
| 13:02.21 | SaVi | how can I get random points around the caster, is it even possible via data editor? |
| 13:02.30 | Zolden | yes |
| 13:03.09 | Zolden | create a persistent add some offsets, and use random offset flag |
| 13:03.38 | SaVi | k |
| 13:03.40 | SaVi | thanks Zolde n |
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| 13:03.42 | Zolden | right now i'm trying to create a little script to generate a set of offsets for persistent |
| 13:03.57 | Zolden | because creating them is shit |
| 13:04.06 | Zolden | 32 points spread in a circle |
| 13:05.09 | SaVi | when you say script you mean the trigger editor, right=? |
| 13:06.32 | Zolden | no, a program on c++, that would generate an xml to paste into persistent |
| 13:06.53 | SaVi | ye i always forgot you guys are in a different league ^^ |
| 13:06.57 | SaVi | forget* |
| 13:07.12 | Zolden | it's lazy league |
| 13:07.35 | SaVi | Location Offset end .. and so on will delimit the offset? |
| 13:08.57 | SaVi | wahts jade doing^^ i bet he is currently hacking into the white house just to stay trained in hacking :D |
| 13:09.19 | SaVi | or something similar |
| 13:10.18 | Zolden | you need periodic offsets field of the persistent |
| 13:11.28 | SaVi | k |
| 13:13.18 | SaVi | wait^^ just for understanding. I create a list of possible points for him and he randomly chooses one of them? |
| 13:13.57 | Zolden | yes, just check "random offset flag" and set period count to 1 |
| 13:14.05 | Zolden | and use your effect as periodic effect |
| 13:14.32 | SaVi | or more than 1 if I want it happend more than just once |
| 13:14.36 | Zolden | yea |
| 13:14.37 | SaVi | but I understand it |
| 13:14.47 | SaVi | same with effect and period |
| 13:15.18 | Zolden | you can leave only one effect, it will cycle over it |
| 13:15.21 | SaVi | want to create a ability where the "boss" throws bio mass canister like the infested swarm egg |
| 13:15.33 | SaVi | ye |
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| 13:18.17 | SaVi | its really annoying to test things created in a mod ^^ |
| 13:23.06 | Zolden | isn't it less annoying since the last patch? |
| 13:23.24 | SaVi | I dont know, what did they change^^ |
| 13:23.46 | Zolden | something about always use last version of the mod, which is placed in my documents |
| 13:24.43 | SaVi | mhhh, I work with another guy on it and always save it in dropbox |
| 13:25.16 | SaVi | even without restarting the project?^^ |
| 13:25.34 | Zolden | dunno, try it |
| 13:25.59 | SaVi | gonna do it |
| 13:28.35 | SaVi | no he doesnt let you replace it |
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| 13:32.44 | Zolden | yea, looks like that last version thing is for bnet |
| 13:35.58 | SaVi | mhh |
| 13:36.18 | SaVi | every time publishing the mod .. not really better in my opinion^^ |
| 13:37.25 | Zolden | why publishing, you can use it locally |
| 13:38.30 | Zolden | close map, quit sc2, replace mode, open map, test |
| 13:38.56 | Zolden | there is a way to test mod using a linked test document... but i didn't make it to work |
| 13:39.19 | SaVi | <-- Save Map, copy in dropbox, paste in mods folder, close Sc2, open testmap, test |
| 13:39.29 | SaVi | thats how I'm doing it currently |
| 13:39.44 | SaVi | nah i dont close sc2 |
| 13:39.59 | SaVi | wait dafuq^^ i close it before pasting, now im in correct order XD |
| 13:40.51 | Ahli | create testmap, put TestMap.SC2Map into the test document settings of the editor, just test the mod |
| 13:43.40 | SaVi | mhh with the random offset, to prevent getting two times the same offset isnt possible I assume? |
| 13:49.52 | Zolden | guess not |
| 13:50.09 | Zolden | just make 32 points, so, there will be only 1/32 of chance to get the same point again |
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| 13:52.46 | SaVi | k |
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| 14:34.30 | Zolden | fuck yea |
| 14:34.44 | Dustin|Work | Nice to see you too zolden |
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| 14:35.25 | Zolden | fuck nooo |
| 14:35.40 | Zolden | just kidding, still fuck yea |
| 14:36.15 | Dustin|Work | :D |
| 14:37.00 | Zolden | i wrote a script to generate offsets for periodic offset - points within a circle |
| 14:37.24 | Zolden | it takes a radius and generates xml to paste into persistent |
| 14:37.59 | Zolden | SaVi what radius do you need around your caster |
| 14:38.22 | SaVi | no sure yet, currently I test with 5 |
| 14:38.37 | SaVi | better 6 |
| 14:38.38 | SaVi | ^^ |
| 14:41.07 | Zolden | http://justpaste.it/3bfu |
| 14:42.48 | SaVi | these are complete random withing the 6 radius? |
| 14:43.14 | Zolden | not random, just points spread in the circle of radius 6 |
| 14:43.28 | Zolden | randomness is provided by the flag |
| 14:43.35 | SaVi | k, gonna try it |
| 14:43.42 | SaVi | mucho gravias zolden :D |
| 14:43.45 | SaVi | gracias* |
| 14:43.52 | Zolden | they evenly spread |
| 14:46.51 | SaVi | its usefull to have such a script |
| 14:47.27 | Zolden | i could upload it |
| 14:48.09 | SaVi | If you want :) |
| 14:48.26 | Zolden | just need to visualize zhe points to see if they are ok |
| 14:49.06 | SaVi | I test them now |
| 14:53.17 | SaVi | seems they are working :) |
| 14:54.36 | Zolden | cool |
| 14:56.09 | SaVi | my ability is working , yeahh :D Now I just have to make it look cool^^ Is there a way to see the possible attachement points of the units? |
| 14:56.32 | SaVi | I tried to find them out with the Cinematic Editor, but didnt find any field for it |
| 15:00.48 | Zolden | SaVi btw, found a little bug in my program, so, the numbers aren't perfectly evenly spread |
| 15:01.04 | SaVi | :O |
| 15:01.08 | SaVi | burn in the hell!!!!!! |
| 15:01.31 | SaVi | even with the bug its better spread then me manually doing it^^ |
| 15:01.58 | Zolden | yea, i'll fix it, don't worry |
| 15:02.24 | SaVi | haha, I have enough to do with this ability before thinking about the perfect random locations |
| 15:02.24 | Zolden | it prints 1.05 like 1.5, because I used my own function, because others use comma as decimal divider |
| 15:02.35 | SaVi | oh |
| 15:02.52 | Zolden | press A in cutscene editor having a model opened |
| 15:03.00 | Zolden | to see the attachments |
| 15:03.03 | SaVi | right now I try to let the missile fly like the infested cocoon egg |
| 15:03.13 | SaVi | holy moly |
| 15:03.14 | Zolden | shift D - to open a panel with names |
| 15:03.15 | SaVi | nice D: |
| 15:03.29 | Zolden | use ballistic mover |
| 15:04.13 | SaVi | mhh A does work but Shift D opens a new window where he just stand there |
| 15:04.18 | SaVi | gonna try the mover, thx |
| 15:04.34 | Zolden | in that window open "attachments" and click on their names |
| 15:05.11 | SaVi | huh`? Just have FIle, View, Animation |
| 15:06.56 | Stewox | hey |
| 15:07.01 | SaVi | hey |
| 15:07.02 | Stewox | anyone knows C# in VCpp |
| 15:07.05 | Stewox | simple winforms |
| 15:07.13 | Stewox | need just a few lines to finish |
| 15:07.27 | Stewox | http://pastebin.com/XBQgVg6v |
| 15:08.09 | Zolden | SaVi in the window that appears if you press shift + D in the cutscene editor |
| 15:08.11 | SaVi | Ah If I right click it and choose "Show Model Data" which seems to be another Strg + D it works |
| 15:08.30 | SaVi | (with it i mean the unit in the scene) |
| 15:09.23 | Zolden | Stewox my browser says that pastebin is loading shit from virused sites |
| 15:09.38 | Zolden | SaVi i've fixed it, need a new set of points? |
| 15:09.55 | Stewox | idk |
| 15:10.04 | SaVi | If it doesnt make to much work for you |
| 15:10.30 | Zolden | it only makes one click form me now :) |
| 15:10.43 | Zolden | http://justpaste.it/3bga |
| 15:11.02 | Zolden | Stewox use justpaste.it |
| 15:13.40 | SaVi | yay :D |
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| 15:15.04 | SaVi | thanks Zolden |
| 15:15.13 | Stewox | point is |
| 15:15.21 | Stewox | pastebin has syntax highliting |
| 15:15.23 | Stewox | http://justpaste.it/3bgb |
| 15:23.13 | SaVi | hmpf unable to open map |
| 15:23.19 | SaVi | shit just got serious |
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| 15:47.17 | SaVi | mhh I check the animation names in the cinematic editor and then in Events of the unit actor i create a "Custom field" with the exact name, but he doesnt want to do the animation^^ |
| 15:50.38 | Zolden | what do you want to do? |
| 15:52.34 | Stewox | hey |
| 15:52.35 | Stewox | guys |
| 15:52.50 | Stewox | one guy from programming channel made the proper line for me |
| 15:52.53 | Stewox | it works now |
| 15:53.18 | SaVi | Egon Stetmann should play his "OLD_Spell" animation everytime a missile got launched, so I went to his action actor and created this |
| 15:53.23 | SaVi | gratz stewo x |
| 15:53.37 | SaVi | https://www.pastee.org/csvd |
| 15:53.48 | SaVi | is this right!? |
| 15:55.15 | Zolden | don't think old_spell is a correct name for an animation |
| 15:58.29 | SaVi | ^^ |
| 15:58.48 | SaVi | its called like that in the cinematic editor "OLD_Spell (5)" |
| 16:04.17 | Zolden | try to find a way to play a properly named animation, and then, after you sure your method works, try to play that nonsense |
| 16:04.45 | Tomura | OLD_Spell should not be a valid animation name |
| 16:04.47 | Tomura | for the game |
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| 16:09.16 | SaVi | ^^ |
| 16:09.19 | Kueken | you can use the Play Sequence message to play any animation name |
| 16:09.38 | SaVi | uhh kuekens secret hints D: gonna try it |
| 16:10.12 | Kueken | not sure about the name |
| 16:10.17 | Kueken | something with sequence |
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| 16:25.43 | SaVi | play sequence is the solution |
| 16:28.48 | Kueken | good :) |
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| 17:13.35 | Zolden | can anyone explain, why ctrl + doesn't work in events? |
| 17:16.45 | G0A | I hate governments |
| 17:19.26 | Zolden | ...said hitler one day |
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| 17:26.34 | Zolden | can anyone please run my little program I wrote to generate persistent offsets? |
| 17:26.46 | Zolden | i want to be sure it will work on other computers |
| 17:29.12 | Zolden | like this: http://i.snag.gy/XY3Eb.jpg |
| 17:29.55 | Zolden | SaVi check it, it's how the offsets are spread |
| 17:30.27 | SaVi | interesting |
| 17:30.50 | SaVi | 32 points, right? |
| 17:31.03 | Zolden | 30 |
| 17:31.09 | Zolden | you can add 0,0,0 |
| 17:34.04 | SaVi | do I need special software to run it? |
| 17:36.27 | Zolden | no, it's just exe file |
| 17:36.41 | Zolden | but i'm not sure it includes the libs it uses |
| 17:36.49 | Zolden | we'll try, sec |
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| 17:40.12 | Zolden | SaVi http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/42/6/offsets_gen.exe |
| 17:40.15 | Zolden | try it |
| 17:40.38 | SaVi | please be patient, the virus needs some time to release its full power |
| 17:40.46 | SaVi | :) |
| 17:41.24 | Zolden | do you have borland delphi or builder installed? |
| 17:42.49 | SaVi | no i have inelliJ IDEA |
| 17:43.12 | Zolden | so, does it work? |
| 17:43.36 | SaVi | vcl100.bpl is missing on my computer |
| 17:43.43 | Zolden | i see |
| 17:43.47 | Zolden | i'll try to include it |
| 17:47.04 | SaVi | k |
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| 17:49.33 | Zolden | SaVi http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/42/7/offsets_gen.exe |
| 17:49.37 | Zolden | this may work |
| 17:50.04 | SaVi | BORLNDMM.DLL is missing ;) |
| 17:50.17 | Zolden | bitch |
| 17:50.20 | SaVi | i think he will continue with about 20 files ^^ |
| 17:50.41 | SaVi | what do I need to have installed? |
| 17:50.55 | Zolden | nothing |
| 17:51.02 | Zolden | it should work on any computer |
| 17:51.07 | SaVi | k :P |
| 17:51.11 | Zolden | and it's what i'll force it to |
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| 17:51.49 | SaVi | haha :D |
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| 18:02.45 | Stewox | hey kueken |
| 18:02.52 | Stewox | kueken1 |
| 18:04.06 | SaVi | brb |
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| 18:18.19 | SaVi | re |
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| 18:36.01 | Zolden | SaVi try this http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/42/9/offsets_gen.exe |
| 18:40.16 | SaVi | still BORLNDMM.DLL missing :/ |
| 18:40.36 | SaVi | can someone else try it too maybe? |
| 18:40.54 | SaVi | maybe im the problem ^^ |
| 18:41.24 | Zolden | you're ok, it's just the file trying to use that shit |
| 18:44.43 | Zolden | i use class that uses that dll |
| 18:45.14 | Zolden | i can switch to another class, but then i'll need to merge strings, adn i don't remember how to do it |
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| 18:45.53 | SaVi | ^^ |
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| 18:57.01 | voidn0ise | Eh, ran into another problem on my map that I need help with. Created an effect on a building that makes the building give the player 10 minerals every 5 seconds. Created an upgrade that adds 10 minerals to that every 5 seconds, but it only works sometimes. I'll upgrade it 3 times (which would give me 40 minerals each) and it still gives 10 each but every now and then will give 40. Chance is set to 1 so I don't understand why i |
| 18:59.53 | Zolden | SaVi try to put this dll in the same folder http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/42/11/borlndmm.dll |
| 18:59.59 | Zolden | what if it will help |
| 19:00.06 | SaVi | k |
| 19:00.31 | SaVi | CC3280MT.DLL is missing |
| 19:00.36 | SaVi | <3 |
| 19:01.00 | Zolden | good, at least it used the first one |
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| 19:03.00 | Gluon | bank question: if you store a value in a bank and then load that value before saving the bank, will it load the new one or old one? |
| 19:04.22 | Zolden | SaVi can't find it |
| 19:04.25 | Zolden | so, fuck it |
| 19:04.30 | SaVi | ^^ |
| 19:04.31 | Zolden | if you need to generate that, ask me :) |
| 19:04.39 | SaVi | ye |
| 19:04.41 | SaVi | :D |
| 19:05.25 | Zolden | or one day i'll learn how to use c strings and fix it |
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| 19:07.57 | SaVi | ^^ |
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| 19:09.31 | CloudWolf | tadaaaa :) |
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| 19:35.27 | Zolden | DeadZergling laziness won, and I made an offset generator http://i.snag.gy/XY3Eb.jpg |
| 19:36.36 | Zolden | can shitspam 30 points for any raduis |
| 19:39.52 | DeadZergling | do it in data or triggers? |
| 19:41.36 | Zolden | in data, but program made on C++ generates xml for the persistent offsets |
| 19:42.17 | Zolden | so, i need only pick radius |
| 19:42.48 | Zolden | thus, i can have like 4 radiuses, depending on a distance |
| 19:44.16 | Zolden | for example http://justpaste.it/3bga |
| 19:45.12 | Zolden | so, shit on triggers |
| 19:46.42 | DeadZergling | I see, I made mine more of an ellipse |
| 19:46.45 | DeadZergling | for my shotgun |
| 19:47.07 | Zolden | yea, ellipse would fit better |
| 19:53.26 | DeadZergling | one of the most complicated offsets I did was when I came up with a polar equation (2sinA i think) for a pattern I wanted for an ability. Then I had to convert the equation to be parametric, then I had to do a ton of input to get points to be exactly 2 units apart traversing the graph. |
| 19:54.00 | DeadZergling | So I could fill the pattern with search effects of radius 1 |
| 19:56.17 | Zolden | what does it mean: to be parametric? |
| 19:56.24 | Zolden | i forgot the term |
| 19:56.58 | Zolden | like how radius(alpha)? |
| 19:57.39 | DeadZergling | parametric is instead of y = 2x blah blah |
| 19:57.52 | DeadZergling | x = 2t + 5, y = sint |
| 19:58.05 | Zolden | oh, isee |
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| 20:08.54 | Fate__ | for the ppl that understand german: http://starcraft2.ingame.de/forum/showthread.php?t=231739 |
| 20:10.36 | Ahli | that's a big post :D |
| 20:11.35 | Fate__ | yeah took me some time |
| 20:12.04 | Fate__ | correcting misstakes atm |
| 20:12.37 | Fate__ | maybee tomorrow ill translate it into english and post on Mapster |
| 20:15.06 | Zolden | what is it about? |
| 20:15.29 | Fate__ | my map :) |
| 20:15.46 | Fate__ | the one i am working for ages now |
| 20:15.59 | Zolden | you've been making a map too? |
| 20:16.00 | Zolden | cool |
| 20:16.08 | Zolden | this makes you a mapmaker |
| 20:16.40 | Tomura | I thought that was the case for most of the people here |
| 20:17.16 | Fate__ | Whats wiht the sarcasm -.- |
| 20:19.11 | Tomura | oh you have tyranids now |
| 20:19.34 | Fate__ | yep :) |
| 20:19.55 | CloudWolf | Fate__ project looks awesome :) |
| 20:20.07 | Fate__ | :) |
| 20:21.36 | Fate__ | uff that will be some work to translate everything.... |
| 20:27.34 | DeadZergling | that is a shit ton of screenshots fate, lol |
| 20:27.56 | SaVi | Is it possible that I played it in a map night a little longer ago?^^ |
| 20:28.11 | SaVi | I remember something similar |
| 20:28.16 | Tomura | could be |
| 20:28.21 | Fate__ | might bee |
| 20:28.43 | Alwin | what? |
| 20:28.44 | Fate__ | but i dont remember when was the last mapnight i took place in |
| 20:28.58 | SaVi | i didnt participate for a long time^^ |
| 20:29.17 | SaVi | ahh credits to kueken :D |
| 20:29.26 | Fate__ | XD |
| 20:29.38 | Fate__ | so u understand german?^^ |
| 20:29.42 | SaVi | ye im german |
| 20:29.48 | Fate__ | ahhh |
| 20:30.08 | SaVi | I live somewhere in Bavaria :P |
| 20:30.25 | DeadZergling | not me, I can only understand what german looks like. That comes mostly from TMNT with german subtitles, lol |
| 20:30.36 | Fate__ | googlesBavaria |
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| 20:31.01 | SaVi | or is bayern in englisch bavaria? i dont know^^ |
| 20:31.08 | Kueken | heh |
| 20:31.08 | Tomura | yes it is |
| 20:31.10 | Fate__ | ahhh |
| 20:31.30 | SaVi | we are the one with the beer xD |
| 20:31.57 | Fate__ | funny they have a word for bayern :) |
| 20:31.58 | Tomura | no you are the ones other Germans can't understand because of their accent |
| 20:32.07 | SaVi | ^^ |
| 20:32.17 | SaVi | i nearly speak accentless |
| 20:33.03 | SaVi | gratz to your #5 build fate |
| 20:33.14 | Fate__ | thank you |
| 20:33.42 | CloudWolf | Fate__ since yesterdays convo, I've added some awesome new features to the project manager interface :D http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w443/udmod/stats_zps8c174a6b.jpg |
| 20:34.04 | CloudWolf | also been working on a reviews area :) http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w443/udmod/reviews_zps707a344d.jpg |
| 20:34.23 | Fate__ | nice :9 |
| 20:35.02 | CloudWolf | really keen to get as much feedback from developers such as yourself so it can be as good as possible :P |
| 20:35.12 | Fate__ | ill sing up your page tomorow since i spended a lot of time with writing today |
| 20:35.12 | Kueken | nice |
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| 20:36.06 | CloudWolf | yea! no problem :) Just want to keep everyone updated with the latest ^^ |
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| 20:36.53 | SaVi | this site looks better than some official game websites |
| 20:36.57 | SaVi | ^^ |
| 20:37.12 | Fate__ | i agree with that |
| 20:37.58 | CloudWolf | SaVi it's all free to use if you want to give it a test :) |
| 20:38.42 | SaVi | haha :) I dont really have a big project im working on |
| 20:38.59 | SaVi | But I can register |
| 20:39.11 | Eimtr | anyone has an idea WHY a model with the same size of e.g Spectre when exported with art tools appears 100 times smaller, I have to set scale XYZ to 100 to make him the same scale as a spectre or any SC2 unit |
| 20:39.55 | Dustin|Work | Scale works in X |
| 20:40.47 | Tomura | the Art Tools scale a model down, so you can work with a bigger model in max |
| 20:40.48 | Dustin|Work | If you scale by 2.0, it'll scale by x2, 100.0 would be x100. I don't know how they could export the same size and have different scaling in game |
| 20:41.00 | SaVi | yay, registered :P |
| 20:41.03 | DeadZergling | here is one for you kueken, http://cheezburger.com/6236920832 |
| 20:41.25 | CloudWolf | sweet! Let me know if you have any suggestions for the site :) |
| 20:43.35 | Zolden | Eimtr you need to scale models 100 times higher in max |
| 20:43.44 | Dustin|Work | I need to add more documentation for my project on your site still CloudWolf |
| 20:44.00 | SaVi | let me guess, the website exists since 23.01.13? :P |
| 20:44.16 | CloudWolf | hey Dustin, your welcome to add a project to the site at any time :) |
| 20:44.20 | Eimtr | Tomura, the model in 3ds max is the same scale as a spectre and yet exports 100 time smaller, does that mean that when Blizz made a Spectre it was 100 times larger in max? |
| 20:44.29 | CloudWolf | Savi, yea, we're pretty new as it stands :P |
| 20:44.29 | Zolden | Eimtr do to it, you need to use that rescale world unit thing or something |
| 20:44.36 | Tomura | yup it is |
| 20:44.37 | Zolden | do you know where is it? |
| 20:44.39 | Statharas | I'd say the same about you, CW, but you've already done so |
| 20:44.46 | Statharas | to* |
| 20:44.49 | Tomura | it's easier to work with |
| 20:44.54 | Tomura | when it's bigger |
| 20:45.44 | Eimtr | hmm okay ty |
| 20:47.21 | Zolden | Tomura do you have max open? could you please tell him wqhere to find that option? |
| 20:47.33 | Zolden | i don't remember and have too much shit runned to run max also |
| 20:48.18 | Tomura | k |
| 20:48.23 | Tomura | go to the utilities tab |
| 20:48.33 | Tomura | (the one with the hammer) |
| 20:48.41 | Eimtr | so it's not a modifier okay the max scripts |
| 20:48.44 | Tomura | and click more |
| 20:49.17 | Tomura | then select Rescale World Units |
| 20:49.18 | Eimtr | found it, ty tomura |
| 20:49.27 | Eimtr | so wha tdoes it do really? |
| 20:49.51 | Zolden | scales everything and not ruining bones |
| 20:50.05 | Zolden | if you select all and scale, it ruins things |
| 20:50.28 | Eimtr | so i dont need to select anything when applying rescale world |
| 20:50.29 | Tomura | at least most of the time it does |
| 20:50.46 | Zolden | selection won't matter |
| 20:51.03 | Eimtr | scale factor: 100 ? |
| 20:51.07 | Zolden | yea |
| 20:54.04 | Eimtr | perfect, ty, the model's arms disappeared but in the preview all is there |
| 20:54.55 | Zolden | you may have selected mesh instead of the skin modifier, so they moved into the initial position |
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| 21:04.40 | SaVi | im off, bb guys |
| 21:04.50 | Fate__ | bb |
| 21:05.08 | SaVi | gonna terrorize you all with stupid questions another day ;) |
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| 21:10.43 | Zolden | i never tried this kind of swap |
| 21:10.48 | Zolden | with anims |
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| 21:11.28 | Zolden | you can check model's anims in cutscene editor |
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| 21:24.34 | Zolden | you can experiment more or ask on ofrum |
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| 21:33.42 | Zolden | just create a trigger that would catch the fact that someone zooming in when teleport is happening, and in that case you can print "wtf are you looking at, you, curious butt licker" |
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| 21:43.03 | Dustin|Work | CloudWolf> hey Dustin, your welcome to add a project to the site at any time :) <- Already got one on there :) |
| 21:57.42 | Gluon | bank question: if you store a value in a bank and then load that value before saving the bank, will it load the new one or old one? |
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| 22:07.24 | Zolden | A1win hey, is the circle dark enough now? http://i.snag.gy/VinJN.jpg |
| 22:07.52 | A1win | possibly, it'll be against black so can't tell from that picture |
| 22:09.21 | Zolden | sad, we can't change bg color |
| 22:09.39 | A1win | I think someone said you can change it in the options under color tab |
| 22:11.10 | Zolden | found a black skybox |
| 22:12.21 | Zolden | http://i.snag.gy/vyOi6.jpg |
| 22:13.02 | A1win | hmm... |
| 22:13.09 | A1win | maybe just a little darker |
| 22:13.21 | A1win | or actually |
| 22:13.27 | A1win | can you look at it with other team colors |
| 22:13.35 | A1win | if those are too dark, then don't make it any darker |
| 22:13.49 | A1win | or if they are too light, then it should be darker |
| 22:14.44 | Zolden | http://i.snag.gy/YhPRb.jpg http://i.snag.gy/16qnd.jpg |
| 22:15.00 | A1win | yeah slightly darker would be nice |
| 22:15.16 | Zolden | ok |
| 22:15.20 | A1win | now it looks brighter than the inside because it's against black and the inside is against grey |
| 22:15.21 | Zolden | what about attachment points? |
| 22:15.23 | Zolden | need any? |
| 22:15.27 | Zolden | or you use triggers? |
| 22:16.04 | A1win | triggers, don't think I'll need any but if it's not too much of a problem, add some at the end of each of those metal bars |
| 22:16.29 | A1win | if it takes time then no need for that |
| 22:17.19 | Zolden | it's easy |
| 22:17.52 | Zolden | changed ring's brightness from 3 to 2.5, and this is the brightest team color http://i.snag.gy/DK9qU.jpg |
| 22:18.18 | A1win | yeah that seems good |
| 22:22.06 | DeadZergling | looking better and better all the time, throw some machinery looking stuff in the bowl and it is believable |
| 22:23.07 | A1win | the ship is smaller in-game than in the top view of that screenshot |
| 22:23.12 | A1win | can't really have much details |
| 22:25.03 | Zolden | also added a weapon attached to turret z |
| 22:29.28 | Zolden | http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/42/21/a1_ship.m3 |
| 22:34.44 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a48/SC2%202013-08-06%2001-32-55-42.jpg |
| 22:34.46 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/ph/a48/SC2%202013-08-06%2001-33-15-74.jpg |
| 22:35.01 | A1win | nice, can't think of anything that would need changing |
| 22:37.42 | Zolden | ok, good |
| 22:37.56 | Zolden | i'll be away untill dunno when, then we can do something more |
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| 23:13.22 | Zandose | pink ya'll |
| 23:15.51 | A1win | alright, I'll try to get some weapons done in the meanwhile :x |
| 23:19.02 | Zandose | if you wanted to store a lot of integer numbers what's he best way? |
| 23:19.13 | Zandose | triggers |
| 23:19.36 | A1win | there aren't many options: variables or data table (which is slower to read/write) |
| 23:20.57 | Zandose | hmm |
| 23:21.36 | Zandose | something i forgot to mention, I only need to store a integer/number which is from 000-999. |
| 23:21.53 | Zandose | zolden said i could store 3 of theses in a integer |
| 23:22.10 | A1win | yeah, you just need to write functions to handle it |
| 23:22.38 | Zandose | yep. just wondering if there is any other methods |
| 23:22.39 | A1win | I'm not familiar with algorithms that do stuff like that, not sure how they are usually done |
| 23:22.54 | Zandose | k |
| 23:23.06 | Dustin | Zandose, what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 23:23.13 | A1win | well if you don't run over the memory limit by just storing them as integers, then just use integers |
| 23:24.11 | Zandose | i need to store 65536 numbers and am looking for other methods to do so. |
| 23:25.01 | Zandose | perhaps even more then that |
| 23:25.25 | Dustin | Hmm |
| 23:25.28 | Dustin | When you say numbers |
| 23:25.37 | Dustin | like each number can be 000-999? |
| 23:27.13 | Zandose | Yes, or 0-999 or 0.0-100.0 (with jumps of 0.10) |
| 23:27.40 | Zandose | some way to represent jumps of 0.10 |
| 23:27.53 | Zandose | going from 0 to 500 i think |
| 23:28.03 | Zandose | or 0.0 to 50.0 |
| 23:28.36 | Zandose | i just thought whole numbers would be eaiser to store and work with |
| 23:30.10 | Zolden | Zandose waht exactly makes you think that you need to compress? |
| 23:30.52 | Zandose | in the future i might want to store entires sets of map data |
| 23:31.11 | Zandose | right now random generation for one map is fine but |
| 23:31.33 | Zandose | if i want to store a maps data while a player goes to a new map |
| 23:31.38 | Zolden | 99k > 65536, so you can't easily store 2 values in one 4 byte int |
| 23:32.23 | Zolden | ok, you think you may need it if what? what situation makes you think that you will need to compress data? |
| 23:33.02 | Zandose | god its hard to write with casts on both hands. uh |
| 23:33.06 | Zolden | we have 2^24 of 4 bytes space for global variables |
| 23:33.27 | Zolden | your array consumes 2^16 |
| 23:33.44 | Zolden | so, you can have 2^8 of these arrays |
| 23:34.12 | Zolden | you can have 256 maps of 256x256 height arrays |
| 23:34.14 | Zandose | hmm |
| 23:35.03 | Zandose | that will probably work for storing a good amount |
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| 23:35.33 | Zandose | ok ill work with that for now |
| 23:35.59 | Zandose | blizz people are still coming around here? |
| 23:36.31 | Blizz-Tenarsis | ^_^ |
| 23:36.46 | Zolden | they will always come here unitl they stop care, but it won't happen |
| 23:38.01 | Zandose | i thought a while after wots was out they'd stop |
| 23:38.50 | Zandose | anyone know the name of a algorithm for creating paths/roads which don't cross each other? |
| 23:38.58 | Zandose | hots* |
| 23:40.23 | A1win | maze generator? |
| 23:41.02 | Zandose | perhaps? |
| 23:41.09 | Blizz-Tenarsis | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossing_number_%28graph_theory%29 |
| 23:41.24 | Zandose | really just a road in a rpg to players to follow |
| 23:41.51 | Blizz-Tenarsis | the data navigator uses edge crossing minimization... :P |
| 23:43.11 | Zandose | eh, over my head |
| 23:43.59 | Zolden | Blizz-Tenarsis anything new about terran modifiers improving? still low priority? |
| 23:45.02 | Blizz-Tenarsis | hmm |
| 23:45.47 | Blizz-Tenarsis | didnt you post a thread about it |
| 23:45.56 | Blizz-Tenarsis | if you could link it to me... |
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| 23:46.05 | Zolden | yea, sec |
| 23:48.55 | Zolden | Blizz-Tenarsis http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7923034097#1 |
| 23:49.26 | Blizz-Tenarsis | thanks.. i will forward that off to a new guy we got who might have time for it |
| 23:49.53 | Dustin | Hi Tenarsis! |
| 23:50.08 | Blizz-Tenarsis | hello |
| 23:50.11 | Zolden | cool |
| 23:50.19 | A1win | Blizz-Tenarsis, did you see the thread you wanted me to post about the chat mode being locked to alliance chat? |
| 23:50.41 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yea |
| 23:54.12 | A1win | alright, just wasn't sure since you left shortly after I linked it |
| 23:57.33 | Blizz-Tenarsis | yeah ill bring it up |
| 23:58.42 | A1win | are there any plans on improving the lobby? |
