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| 00:04.13 | Bounty | Pew |
| 00:06.01 | DeadZergling | lose more credit score? |
| 00:06.07 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:06.11 | Bounty | not that i'm aware of |
| 00:06.20 | Bounty | I'll get it back very soon though :) |
| 00:07.53 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.04 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.27 | Bounty | Credit Scores are very stupid though DeadZergling |
| 00:08.54 | Bounty | I lost 45 pts for being 5% over the recommended credit usage percentage |
| 00:09.01 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.06 | gooose | i DID IT |
| 00:09.12 | Bounty | HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 00:14.43 | Gluon | how would you go around to make a unit animation go faster? |
| 00:15.11 | Gluon | thing is I reduced the fire delay on range unit |
| 00:15.24 | Gluon | but it fires before he points his gun >< |
| 00:15.42 | Gluon | trying to make him point his gun faster :P |
| 00:17.27 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.17 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.32 | Gluon | uhm |
| 00:19.43 | Gluon | theres "stand animation turn time scale minimum" |
| 00:19.48 | Gluon | its at 0 |
| 00:20.08 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.18 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.39 | Gluon | \raynor commando |
| 00:21.39 | gooose | FieldRaynor Commando (Basic) Event: Event 57 +WeaponStart.*.AttackStart:AnimBracketStart Attack Attack (Basic) Event: Event 58 +WeaponStart.*.AttackStart; AnimPlaying Birth:AnimClear Birth (Basic) Event: Event 59 +WeaponStop.*.AttackStop:AnimBracketStop Attack |
| 00:21.57 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.17 | Gluon | search "time" |
| 00:22.34 | Gluon | foudn it |
| 00:22.39 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.44 | Gluon | yea search |
| 00:22.54 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.54 | Gluon | CTRL+1 |
| 00:23.01 | Gluon | for table view |
| 00:23.22 | Gluon | im not clever enough for xml |
| 00:23.24 | Gluon | :as |
| 00:23.25 | Gluon | :s |
| 00:25.06 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.20 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.36 | Gluon | ah i see |
| 00:26.12 | Gluon | uhm, so which field exactly is the time scale one? |
| 00:26.18 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.34 | gooose | just open the events kick on the weapon events |
| 00:26.48 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.59 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.09 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.35 | Gluon | oh time variant |
| 00:27.35 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.38 | Gluon | its aat -1 |
| 00:27.45 | Gluon | im guessing -1 uses default values? |
| 00:27.47 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.01 | Gluon | is there a way to know the default value? |
| 00:28.18 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.31 | gooose | it s usint timescale : 1 as default |
| 00:28.37 | Gluon | oh...its a multiplyer |
| 00:28.38 | Gluon | ? |
| 00:28.48 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.02 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.14 | Gluon | yea |
| 00:29.39 | Gluon | if im following |
| 00:29.50 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.53 | Gluon | timescale= how many times the default value |
| 00:30.01 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.02 | Gluon | and time duration = actuall duration in seconds |
| 00:30.06 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.30 | Gluon | nice |
| 00:30.46 | gooose | oh adn i assume you just started editing? |
| 00:31.11 | Bounty | Anyone have any co op games to recommend? |
| 00:31.15 | Bounty | PC |
| 00:31.31 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.34 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.36 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:31.38 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.40 | Gluon | gooose, im just bad |
| 00:31.46 | Bounty | Your first suggest is so bad |
| 00:31.49 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:33.05 | Bounty | What do you need to know Gluon |
| 00:33.07 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.11 | Bounty | Perhaps i can be of assistance |
| 00:33.12 | Bounty | >.< |
| 00:33.19 | Gluon | its been resolved :D |
| 00:33.26 | Bounty | Word |
| 00:33.27 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.31 | Gluon | I was trying to make an animation go faster |
| 00:33.35 | Bounty | oh |
| 00:33.37 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.45 | Bounty | yeah |
| 00:33.48 | Bounty | thats an easy one >.< |
| 00:34.17 | Gluon | I know almost everything that has to do with triggers |
| 00:34.20 | Gluon | and terrain |
| 00:34.35 | Gluon | bad with data |
| 00:34.44 | Bounty | So am I |
| 00:34.48 | Bounty | Data is useless for the most part |
| 00:34.58 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.59 | Bounty | You only NEED it for playing animations and sound effects |
| 00:35.04 | Gluon | yea I just havnt done much with it yet |
| 00:35.05 | Bounty | Other than that its useless |
| 00:35.17 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.23 | Bounty | Its true |
| 00:35.27 | Gluon | textures |
| 00:35.27 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.31 | Gluon | are cool too |
| 00:35.32 | Bounty | Those are the only two things i've found that data is superior |
| 00:35.34 | Bounty | performance wise |
| 00:35.47 | Bounty | yeah but triggers are sooooo time efficient |
| 00:35.50 | Gluon | data is where you can rly make a map that is elaborate |
| 00:35.51 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.54 | Gluon | imo |
| 00:35.57 | Bounty | Can make an entire polished game in like a week |
| 00:36.16 | Bounty | Not true Gluon |
| 00:36.19 | Bounty | I've make many |
| 00:36.22 | Bounty | with triggers |
| 00:36.40 | Bounty | and triggers are way more fun because there is always some sort of workaround :) |
| 00:37.15 | Gluon | yea |
| 00:37.24 | Gluon | but i mean |
| 00:37.29 | Gluon | if you make custom units |
| 00:37.34 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.35 | Gluon | and custom everything for your map |
| 00:37.37 | Gluon | you need data |
| 00:37.43 | Dustin | With data, I have to do a lot of workarounds using triggers, so it makes sense to just do it all with triggers anyway :P |
| 00:37.50 | Bounty | You need BASIC data yeah |
| 00:37.56 | Bounty | like i said |
| 00:37.59 | Gluon | gooose, i think what he means is in triggers tehres always a dosens ways to do things |
| 00:38.00 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:38.06 | Bounty | ^ |
| 00:38.18 | Bounty | Data is way more constricted |
| 00:38.27 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.42 | Bounty | Gooose |
| 00:38.43 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.53 | Bounty | You wanna take the pepsi challenge on triggers vs data? |
| 00:38.59 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.17 | Bounty | 7k lines = you're doing it wrong |
| 00:39.28 | Bounty | or in your words |
| 00:39.34 | Bounty | you couldnt handle it bro |
| 00:39.36 | Bounty | :) |
| 00:40.27 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.34 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.48 | Bounty | I bet i could do that much more efficiently in triggers |
| 00:41.13 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.18 | Bounty | nope |
| 00:41.26 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.31 | Bounty | The only two major performance impacts in triggers are animations and sounds |
| 00:41.45 | Bounty | Trust me, i use it all the time and it has no impact on performance lolo |
| 00:41.57 | Gluon | is there a way to make stationary turn rate infinite? |
| 00:42.06 | Gluon | im assuming if I put 0 it just wont turn |
| 00:42.07 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.19 | Bounty | yeah, 0 wont turn at lal |
| 00:42.21 | Bounty | all* |
| 00:42.29 | Gluon | -1 though, gonna try |
| 00:44.38 | Gluon | -1 doesnt work :'( |
| 00:44.43 | Gluon | it just sets it to 0 |
| 00:44.55 | Gluon | ill have to do with 2800 :P |
| 00:44.57 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.05 | Gluon | yea |
| 00:45.14 | Gluon | max is 2879.8242 |
| 00:45.56 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.09 | Gluon | I HATE WHEN THERES NO TOOLTIP IN DATA! |
| 00:49.12 | Gluon | grr |
| 00:49.17 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.28 | Gluon | it rly doesnt speed up the learning process, blizz |
| 00:54.08 | Gluon | what does the "stats: period" field do exactly |
| 00:54.10 | Gluon | on a weapon |
| 00:54.28 | Gluon | period at which you can fire consecutive shots? |
| 00:54.37 | Gluon | it seems to have an effect on the animation though |
| 00:57.32 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.59 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.16 | Gluon | yea i noticed that too |
| 00:58.34 | Gluon | i didnt say anything |
| 00:58.35 | Gluon | cause |
| 00:58.40 | Gluon | i thought everyone knew |
| 00:58.47 | Gluon | and would be like cool story bro |
| 00:58.49 | Gluon | :D |
| 00:59.04 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.16 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.42 | Gluon | many things are still wrong :s |
| 01:03.45 | Gluon | victory screen bug for instance |
| 01:05.47 | Gluon | lobby bugs |
| 01:05.55 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.59 | Gluon | protoss allins |
| 01:06.00 | Gluon | :( |
| 01:06.16 | Gluon | ill try gooose |
| 01:06.30 | Gluon | but im confident i wont find why |
| 01:12.08 | Gluon | yup, i got no idea |
| 01:12.10 | Gluon | sry |
| 01:12.33 | Gluon | btw the aminbracket thing dosn work |
| 01:12.39 | Gluon | doesnt* |
| 01:13.09 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.22 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.29 | Gluon | oh |
| 01:14.47 | Gluon | the attackstop too? |
| 01:16.03 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.21 | Gluon | i want faster |
| 01:16.21 | Gluon | but |
| 01:16.27 | Gluon | I just dont see the difference |
| 01:16.30 | Gluon | btween the 3 |
| 01:16.42 | Gluon | which is the actual fire animationp? |
| 01:17.23 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.05 | Gluon | so what does animbracketstop attack do? |
| 01:18.23 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.28 | Gluon | so its instant? |
| 01:19.29 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.42 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.01 | Gluon | uhm k, what about birth? theres no time cale |
| 01:20.06 | Gluon | only blend out |
| 01:20.25 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.39 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.18 | Gluon | uhm |
| 01:25.07 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.58 | Gluon | lol |
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| 01:29.03 | Gluon | well the attack animation thing didnt work but it doesnt rly matter |
| 01:29.07 | Gluon | it just looks a bit weird |
| 01:29.21 | Gluon | but nothing of major concern |
| 01:31.04 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:31.29 | Gluon | i tried a few |
| 01:31.34 | Gluon | i tried 10 |
| 01:31.39 | Gluon | and .01 |
| 01:31.52 | Gluon | after more normal values werent changing anything |
| 01:32.59 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:33.48 | Gluon | oh uhm...could it be snipe beam? |
| 01:33.57 | Gluon | raynor snipe beam actor |
| 01:34.42 | Gluon | i think its most likely raynor commando |
| 01:35.33 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.08 | Gluon | ya |
| 01:38.43 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:43.41 | Gluon | http://pastebin.com/0uSPeY4G |
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| 02:39.57 | MoonEater | how do i make F3? |
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| 03:20.56 | Bounty | pew |
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| 03:57.05 | egod | hey girls! |
| 03:57.11 | egod | have question |
| 03:57.24 | egod | (. y .) yes? |
| 03:57.43 | egod | what is a better alternative to Windows Movies maker ? Editing video ? in HD please :( |
| 04:02.05 | MoonEater | egod |
| 04:02.23 | MoonEater | i want to remove specific units from worker groups |
| 04:02.49 | MoonEater | or anyone can answer... |
| 04:02.53 | MoonEater | Bounty |
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| 07:08.40 | Otixa_ | fucking Gluon |
| 07:08.42 | Otixa_ | you smell |
| 07:19.53 | Repo | New map: Protect The Fortress - http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/protect/ |
| 07:29.42 | Helral|Afk | meows |
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| 07:45.57 | Helral|Afk | jumps back with the punch. |
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| 07:48.44 | Otixa_ | Derp |
| 07:48.48 | Otixa_ | slaps Lolirotten around a bit with a large trout |
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| 08:44.17 | Helral | meows |
| 08:45.29 | DeadZergling | Evening Helral |
| 08:45.36 | Helral | morning |
| 08:45.47 | DeadZergling | well kind of for me, 2 am, lol |
| 08:45.56 | Helral | 10:45 :P |
| 08:47.27 | DeadZergling | anywhays, what you been up to? Someone was wishing you updated your UI tutorial a couple days ago |
| 08:48.11 | Helral | ow it's contents isn't valid anymore? :P |
| 08:48.34 | DeadZergling | not sure, I know I tried to use it several months back, unsuccessfully for the most part |
| 08:48.43 | DeadZergling | dustin was very upset with it I think |
| 08:48.54 | DeadZergling | I know I plan to work on my UI more when I get to the polish stage of my project too |
| 08:49.04 | Helral | Well it did get changed somewhat.... let's look into it. Haven't worked with sc2editor in a long while. |
| 08:49.29 | DeadZergling | think many would appreciate that, know me and dustin would at least |
| 08:50.32 | Helral | all of it should still work last time I checked it although the method of using it changed a little bit. |
| 08:51.19 | DeadZergling | I'm sure it isn't as bad as I make it out to be, I'm just the crap with that stuff, lol |
| 08:51.41 | Helral | well instead of importing layout files, you now crate them using the UI editor. |
| 08:51.47 | Helral | create* |
| 08:54.01 | DeadZergling | i see, does it come with intuitive drop down menus? lol |
| 08:54.11 | Helral | don't think so. |
| 08:54.48 | DeadZergling | #%#% |
| 08:55.02 | Helral | don't know the most recent changes yet though. |
| 09:00.19 | Helral | hmmmm too bad you can't pick something from the existing layout .... |
| 09:00.37 | Helral | you can create new things using dropdowns. (type/template choice) |
| 09:06.18 | DeadZergling | yea, I'm just not too good at it, confuses me |
| 09:06.57 | Helral | the sole difference between the existing tutorial and the actual method is how to add the layout file to the map. |
| 09:07.13 | Helral | they altered that, guess I'll update the tutorial to reflect it. |
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| 09:23.11 | Helral | DeadZergling: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/20323-ui-sc2layout-files-override-method-aiurchef-method/#w-how-to-use-custom-layout-files-in-your-map |
| 09:23.27 | Helral | think that this is all that has changed in the basics. |
| 09:24.17 | DeadZergling | yea, let me attempt to use it |
| 09:29.01 | DeadZergling | is a little different for me already |
| 09:29.03 | DeadZergling | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:29.07 | DeadZergling | was also in my Test layout |
| 09:29.23 | Helral | GlueUI? .... |
| 09:29.47 | Helral | that is the contents of the GlueUI file. |
| 09:29.49 | DeadZergling | nevermind, ignore me |
| 09:29.50 | Helral | :P |
| 09:29.58 | DeadZergling | just double checked |
| 09:30.02 | Helral | pets DeadZergling |
| 09:30.08 | Helral | :) |
| 09:30.14 | DeadZergling | now you see why I am asking about tutorials for such things! |
| 09:30.20 | Helral | yup. |
| 09:30.48 | DeadZergling | I got my strengths, syntax and knowing where I click aren't among them... |
| 09:30.50 | Helral | I think I mentioned this change in a post somewhere, but forgot to update the tutorial... |
| 09:33.21 | DeadZergling | so, I just stumbled across the minimap panel XML |
| 09:33.42 | DeadZergling | so is the strategy now to edit those directly? |
| 09:33.45 | DeadZergling | or override them? |
| 09:34.02 | Helral | I haven't attempted to edit directly.... good question. |
| 09:34.08 | Helral | Let's see what happens. |
| 09:34.18 | DeadZergling | it is dinging at me |
| 09:34.21 | DeadZergling | when I try to edit, lol |
| 09:34.38 | Helral | well there you go. :) still to override. |
| 09:35.12 | DeadZergling | makes sense I guess, so you can't completely screw your map over permanently |
| 09:35.18 | DeadZergling | much easier to delete override |
| 09:40.08 | DeadZergling | copied minimap over and made some changes |
| 09:40.13 | DeadZergling | see if i fubared it or not |
| 09:42.03 | Helral | you don't need to copy the contents you just need to mention the changes. see my examples of moving the minimap in the same thread. |
| 09:46.01 | Helral | you can look up here how the initial frame should be named: http://helral.eu/SC2LayoutFrames.html |
| 09:47.38 | DeadZergling | yea, i been trying to at least edit SOMETHING here, has been going less than well atm, lol |
| 09:49.30 | DeadZergling | all i did so far was add |
| 09:49.32 | DeadZergling | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.36 | DeadZergling | to Test |
| 09:50.17 | Helral | replace the minimappanel frame line with this line: |
| 09:50.18 | Helral | <Frame type='MinimapPanel' name='GameUI/UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/MinimapPanel' file='GameUI'> |
| 09:53.03 | DeadZergling | nice minimap was in totally the wrong spot |
| 09:53.08 | Helral | you can find these frame notations at my site: www.helral.eu/SC2LayoutFrames.html |
| 09:53.12 | DeadZergling | my first successful override! |
| 09:53.37 | DeadZergling | yea, i've seen those, I think my lack of XML knowledge hurts me here |
| 09:53.51 | Helral | just look for the panel you want to override there and click on Show Frame Notation. sub-frames don't need this extensive notation. only top level panels. |
| 09:53.56 | DeadZergling | guessing your replacement is a shorthand to refer to that specific object? |
| 09:54.19 | DeadZergling | GameUI/UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/MinimapPanel that is |
| 09:54.34 | DeadZergling | when I was just referring to MinimapPanel as if it was a parent object? |
| 09:54.51 | Helral | partially. the other part is the file reference. |
| 09:55.30 | Helral | when the game runs it uses GameUI as the base file. from there it loads everything else. so if you want to adjust something you need to use file="GameUI" to adjust it. |
| 09:57.53 | DeadZergling | I see |
| 09:58.02 | DeadZergling | well it said you are wrong DZ when I tried this |
| 09:58.03 | DeadZergling | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.11 | DeadZergling | that one of those trigger action things? |
| 09:58.23 | Helral | testing something I haven't tested before. |
| 09:58.34 | Helral | hiding frames is best done using triggers. |
| 09:59.18 | Helral | Show/Hide UI Frame trigger action |
| 10:00.38 | DeadZergling | yea, admittedly been 8-10 months since I tried this |
| 10:00.51 | DeadZergling | but with the cheerful Helral right in the channel |
| 10:00.56 | DeadZergling | thought hell why not |
| 10:01.03 | DeadZergling | let's try again :) |
| 10:01.40 | Helral | :) |
| 10:01.41 | DeadZergling | thanks Helral, I'm a little less stupid about this now I think |
| 10:02.17 | Helral | no problem :) |
| 10:03.30 | DeadZergling | trying out the create an image frame one just to be thorough |
| 10:04.09 | Helral | ok I'll be afk for a short bit. :P |
| 10:09.49 | Helral | back |
| 10:10.43 | DeadZergling | fail, think I know what I did wrong though |
| 10:10.57 | DeadZergling | probably shouldn't include \\ in the xml, lol |
| 10:11.09 | Helral | just say my name if you need me, I'll be ingame playing a bit of the SC2 campaign. |
| 10:16.48 | Helral | hmmmm |
| 10:18.24 | Helral | ahhh there is some information missing... |
| 10:18.51 | Helral | I'll update it in a few seconds. |
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| 10:20.02 | Helral | incorrectly updated one moment. |
| 10:20.39 | Helral | it is now correctly updated. |
| 10:20.57 | Helral | it missed a frame definition around the frame. |
| 10:24.31 | Helral | I'm swapping back to SC2 just let me know if you need me :) |
| 10:26.08 | Helral | the buttons in the example is the commandpanel. |
| 10:27.01 | Helral | the example also used a set width/height, so you should end up with somethinglike this: [====== |
| 10:27.09 | Helral | = being border top+botton. |
| 10:27.38 | Zolden | why ppl say test map run takes more time than b4 the patch? i don't see any differences |
| 10:29.47 | Zolden | or they mean test mod, linked to a map, not the map? |
| 10:32.18 | Helral | DeadZergling you understood what I meant? if not show screenshot :P |
| 10:33.39 | Zolden | show screenshot |
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| 10:34.47 | DeadZergling | yea hang on, let me relaunch |
| 10:38.11 | Zolden | let me reroach |
| 10:39.29 | Helral | did you research tunneling claws yet, Zolden? |
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| 10:40.48 | Zolden | is tunneling - a zerg unit? |
| 10:41.09 | Helral | it's a zerg research. "Tunneling claws" |
| 10:41.19 | Zolden | then I research tunneling microscope |
| 10:41.30 | Zolden | to research tunneling effect |
| 10:46.44 | DeadZergling | http://postimg.org/image/ufr4la6px/a9d16b84/ |
| 10:47.24 | Helral | yeah that is as expected. |
| 10:48.41 | DeadZergling | was just wondering, since it is so different than the screenshot below |
| 10:48.55 | Helral | the commandcard was moved there and modified. |
| 10:49.05 | Helral | with your test it wasn't. |
| 10:51.01 | DeadZergling | I see, is just a little confusing, since if I wasn't in here talking to you, but only reading the tutorial |
| 10:51.10 | DeadZergling | I'd expect to get the same result as in the screenshot |
| 10:54.00 | Helral | updated with a warning text. |
| 10:54.39 | Helral | hope that clarifies it. |
| 10:57.22 | Helral | well I'll going back ingame, you know how to reach me :) |
| 11:04.48 | DeadZergling | think I'm good for tonight, thank you again for all the help |
| 11:04.58 | DeadZergling | just thought I'd go through the whole tutorial while I had you editing it :) |
| 11:12.24 | Zolden | does sc2 play midi files? |
| 11:16.59 | Statharas | Man, Sc2mapster's asset system is really bad ._. |
| 11:17.18 | Statharas | It's chaotic |
| 11:17.56 | DeadZergling | try the forums sometime |
| 11:18.28 | DeadZergling | is quicker to google sc2mapster + subject |
| 11:18.32 | DeadZergling | than use sc2mapster itself, lol |
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| 11:30.25 | DeadZergling | congrats |
| 11:30.37 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:31.34 | DeadZergling | shoudn't you like, make the charges not global then? |
| 11:32.02 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:32.19 | DeadZergling | gonna make me bother to open up the map editor are we |
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| 11:35.32 | DeadZergling | yea, charge typeis the problem though |
| 11:36.12 | DeadZergling | im not too familiar with those fields per se, but is there any fields similar to Location ? |
| 11:37.12 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.57 | DeadZergling | not exactly what I had in mind, hrrrmmm |
| 11:38.17 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.32 | DeadZergling | charge:location huh, that sounds promising |
| 11:40.08 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.55 | DeadZergling | haha sorry, never actually messed with that effect type |
| 11:41.07 | DeadZergling | just charge/link made me think of my items |
| 11:41.12 | DeadZergling | thought maybe they were similar |
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| 11:42.34 | DeadZergling | anyways, for my items, (Basic) Location works just fine |
| 11:42.42 | DeadZergling | when i use said item, it only removes a charge from that item, no others |
| 11:43.01 | DeadZergling | excuse me...... (Basic) Location of Ability works just fine... |
| 11:43.17 | DeadZergling | damn mind completing sentences in my head causing me to forget to type them |
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| 11:44.33 | DeadZergling | oh well, maybe someone else who has experience with them will say something soon |
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| 13:53.36 | Gluon | hi everyone Kappa |
| 14:24.33 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
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| 14:28.14 | SaVi | Hey guys |
| 14:30.35 | SaVi | I got a Behaviour on a Unit which should slow him to 70% movementspeed, so the field "Movementspeed - Multiplier" is set to 0.7, the unit does get the behaviour through a ability and everything gets set correctly. But the Unit (which has the behaviour) still has the same amount of speed. |
| 14:30.55 | SaVi | Changes like giving him more Hp and such things in the behaviour do work, but not the movementspeed multiplier |
| 14:31.26 | JademusSreg | Does it move slower and not display on the infocard, or does it not move slower? |
| 14:31.43 | SaVi | will test it with 0.1, just a second |
| 14:32.34 | SaVi | No, he still is as fast as before |
| 14:32.47 | JademusSreg | XML time. |
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| 14:33.03 | SaVi | just of the behaviour?^^ |
| 14:33.13 | JademusSreg | Paste the behavior, ability, and unit data. |
| 14:33.29 | JademusSreg | For the relevant entries, of course. |
| 14:35.01 | SaVi | mhh there are several effects included, I'll add them too |
| 14:35.24 | JademusSreg | kk |
| 14:36.58 | SaVi | https://www.pastee.org/qzd6c |
| 14:37.14 | SaVi | dont know what to use as Lexer :/ |
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| 14:38.10 | SaVi | the Unit: https://www.pastee.org/cjm2r |
| 14:38.11 | JademusSreg | On the behavior, CircleOfEvolution, what is the Time Source value? |
| 14:38.20 | JademusSreg | Because it ought to be Global. |
| 14:38.46 | SaVi | time scale global is "Target" |
| 14:39.00 | JademusSreg | Set to Global, test. =D |
| 14:39.08 | SaVi | roger that! |
| 14:39.42 | SaVi | its also added via "mod" |
| 14:40.14 | SaVi | still doesnt work :'( |
| 14:40.34 | JademusSreg | It appears in the infocard, though, yes? |
| 14:40.54 | SaVi | no there is no change in the infocard too, but the behaviour is displayed |
| 14:41.06 | JademusSreg | Right, I meant the latter, pardon. |
| 14:41.22 | JademusSreg | Anyway, does duration 0.125 make a difference? |
| 14:42.23 | SaVi | ye lol |
| 14:42.27 | SaVi | it works now |
| 14:42.38 | JademusSreg | I encountered a similar issue before with a time warp aura. |
| 14:42.59 | SaVi | is there any reason for this?^^ |
| 14:42.59 | JademusSreg | At duration 0.0625, modifying behaviors will display, but be completely ineffectual. |
| 14:43.17 | SaVi | mhh |
| 14:43.24 | SaVi | good to know |
| 14:43.35 | Gluon | hey guys, if you load a real from bank sextion that doesnt exist it gives 0 right? |
| 14:43.43 | Gluon | or will it just do nothing |
| 14:43.44 | JademusSreg | Not certain why that is, but for auras, I prefer to apply at a rate of 0.0625, with a duration of 0.125. |
| 14:44.07 | SaVi | k, thanks jade |
| 14:44.10 | SaVi | you are my hero ;) |
| 14:44.11 | JademusSreg | Glu, it cannot do nothing; it must return a value. |
| 14:44.12 | Gluon | sextion Kappa |
| 14:44.21 | JademusSreg | So 0.0 is most likely. |
| 14:44.22 | Gluon | rly |
| 14:44.24 | Gluon | uhm ok |
| 14:44.31 | JademusSreg | No problem, Sav. |
| 14:44.33 | Gluon | ill just put an if bank secito exists |
| 14:44.35 | Gluon | tks |
| 14:45.34 | SaVi | what do you use for posting xml codes? |
| 14:45.50 | JademusSreg | Oh, Sav, always make sure time-sensitive behaviors and effects use Global time scale. |
| 14:46.02 | JademusSreg | I use XML lexer. |
| 14:46.39 | SaVi | okay jade |
| 14:46.43 | Dogmai | finish painting, wash all the brushes and rollers |
| 14:46.46 | JademusSreg | I use C for posting script, since galaxy script is closest to C. |
| 14:46.51 | Dogmai | pack everything up |
| 14:46.53 | Dogmai | walk into kitchen |
| 14:46.57 | Dogmai | notice i missed a wall |
| 14:46.59 | Dogmai | fml |
| 14:47.09 | JademusSreg | Awesome. |
| 14:47.21 | JademusSreg | Just knock out the wall, mission accomplished. |
| 14:47.22 | SaVi | k, gonna use xml in the future |
| 14:48.17 | Dogmai | well i have noticed it is easier to paint a wall than clean a wall |
| 14:49.24 | JademusSreg | Ah. Redecorating or cleaning the place up in preparation for a property sale? |
| 14:49.54 | Dogmai | no |
| 14:50.12 | Dogmai | more like, getting the house revalued |
| 14:50.21 | Dogmai | so we know how much we made or lost since we bought it |
| 14:50.45 | Dogmai | won't sell it though, if I rent it out it is positively geared |
| 14:51.09 | Zolden | can anyone explain why and how colossus launch site is created in "launch site operations" field? |
| 14:51.30 | JademusSreg | Zol, how do you mean? |
| 14:51.43 | Zolden | colossus launch site actor has no events |
| 14:52.05 | JademusSreg | What are its field properties? |
| 14:52.06 | Zolden | but beam launch host site operations field has create option there |
| 14:52.46 | Zolden | oh, not launch site ops, jsut host launch field |
| 14:53.10 | Zolden | this -> <HostLaunch Subject="ColossusAttackLaunchSite" Scope="Caster" Actor="Create"/> |
| 14:53.30 | JademusSreg | Er, the Action actor will create the actors in its fields, yeah. |
| 14:53.57 | Zolden | (it's beam actor, not action) |
| 14:54.04 | Zolden | so, it creates the actor from there... |
| 14:54.10 | JademusSreg | Or perhaps I misunderstand what you are asking? Not all actors need events to be instantiated; actors can simply be created by other actors. |
| 14:54.33 | Zolden | why didn't they repeat situation with impact actor which is created via event? |
| 14:55.01 | Zolden | beam actor doesn't send create message to the site actor |
| 14:55.31 | JademusSreg | Probably because the colossus beam doesn't impact a target unit, it connects to a site + site mover to move it along the ground. |
| 14:55.32 | Zolden | it only has that Actor="Create" part of the host launch field |
| 14:56.27 | Zolden | yea, and they created site mover normally and why didn't they create launch site normally too? why that trick? |
| 14:58.02 | JademusSreg | Personally, I found the approach used for the colossus beam a bit overburdened, so I found a simpler way to accomplish the same ends. |
| 14:58.53 | Zolden | and what your way is based on? do you use something instead of site mover? |
| 15:01.22 | JademusSreg | But in general, you want the instantiation of actors to form a logically contingent package; if Shit model actor needs Fly actor model attachments, one could add Shit actor creation event to the Fly actor to create it, but better one could have the Shit actor create the Fly actor attachment from its own events, because the Fly attachment is logically contingent on the Shit actor. |
| 15:01.59 | JademusSreg | And it's simpler because I reduced the amount of superfluous junk. |
| 15:02.11 | Zolden | yea, i agree |
| 15:02.35 | Zolden | so, you just create sites from beam and it's the improvement? |
| 15:04.07 | JademusSreg | Here's the JademusDemo, with the Xel'Naga AI boss fight added. I'll show you which beams I mean. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/JademusDemo.SC2Map |
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| 15:05.53 | Zolden | ok, i'll check after a food break |
| 15:06.29 | JademusSreg | Enter Convergence Beam in the search filter, and we;ll do a walkthrough. |
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| 15:09.25 | SaVi | a friend deinstalled his german sc2 and installed the englisch version, but his editor is still german, does someone coincidentally know the problem?^^ |
| 15:10.35 | JademusSreg | The entire directly wasn't cleared to other localization data remained? |
| 15:10.56 | Tomura | if it's just the editor he can change the language by opening the comandline and then use the locale command |
| 15:12.22 | JademusSreg | *directory hah |
| 15:17.08 | SaVi | tomura, you mean under "Map" --> "locale" ? |
| 15:17.23 | Tomura | the editor has a console |
| 15:17.40 | Tomura | there you type in locale and the desired language code |
| 15:17.46 | Tomura | so locale enUS |
| 15:17.52 | Tomura | for example |
| 15:17.58 | Tomura | locale enGB |
| 15:18.09 | Tomura | it should then download the needed files |
| 15:18.12 | Tomura | and change the language |
| 15:18.22 | SaVi | uhhh suprise :D |
| 15:18.27 | Tomura | Window -> Console |
| 15:19.18 | Tomura | but it only changes the editor language |
| 15:19.21 | SaVi | how fucking nice is that |
| 15:19.35 | SaVi | so you can have the german game but englisch editor?^^ |
| 15:19.38 | SaVi | for example |
| 15:19.43 | Tomura | yup |
| 15:19.52 | Tomura | at least for me in never changed the game's language |
| 15:20.03 | SaVi | lol |
| 15:20.19 | SaVi | I always install in german, play the campaign, delete and install englisch one xD |
| 15:22.33 | SaVi | thats ... thats a mircale |
| 15:23.26 | SaVi | is it possible to have several languages saved on the pc and then swap the languages withing seconds because its already downloaded?^^ |
| 15:23.34 | SaVi | or does he replace it |
| 15:23.55 | Tomura | no the files stay |
| 15:23.57 | JademusSreg | Zol, it starts with ConvergenceBeamImpactSite and ConvergenceBeamBeam; they each have the Effect.ConvergenceBeamDamage.Start event to create them. The Beam hooks up with the ImpactSite via HostImpact, and creates the LaunchSite via HostLaunch, and creates Impact and Launch Sound actors. |
| 15:31.56 | Zolden | JademusSreg where is the difference between you convergence beam and colossus beam? |
| 15:33.32 | JademusSreg | I forget, haha. I can check, if necessary. It's possible colossus beam has changed since I created that years ago. |
| 15:34.11 | Zolden | well, they look equal |
| 15:34.55 | Zolden | i have no idea how colossus beam worked years ago, but i don't thhink it was ever changed |
| 15:35.27 | Zolden | also, it would be a miravle if it would change to be perfectly equal to your method |
| 15:35.32 | JademusSreg | What is the issue that makes it difficult to understand? |
| 15:36.59 | JademusSreg | The impact site is shared within the effect tree, the beam uses the impact site from the effect tree and creates a launch site, and creates the flashy little launch and impact sound and models. |
| 15:37.41 | Zolden | it's understandable except the fact that launch site is created without events, neither at the site nor at the beam |
| 15:38.32 | JademusSreg | The beam creates the launch site using the parameters in the HostLaunch field. |
| 15:38.49 | JademusSreg | [10:52:59] <Zolden> this -> <HostLaunch Subject="ColossusAttackLaunchSite" Scope="Caster" Actor="Create"/> |
| 15:39.02 | Zolden | yea, and it's a strange method for me |
| 15:39.03 | Zolden | but ok |
| 15:41.15 | Zolden | also, strange: usually i don't use sites to make beams work, but in this case i failed in attempt to use directly an attachment point as beam launch host |
| 15:44.45 | JademusSreg | In those cases, I expect it creates a generic site actor at the attachment point. |
| 15:45.10 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 15:45.12 | Zolden | i guess |
| 15:54.39 | Zolden | looks like colossus legs interact with ground plane |
| 15:54.55 | Zolden | instead of the terrain mesh, that i thought |
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| 16:35.07 | CloudWolf | is anyone here looking for a website for their project? I might be able to help :) http://www.engamer.net/projects |
| 16:35.49 | Fate__ | hm what is that |
| 16:36.57 | Fate__ | how does that work CloudWolf? |
| 16:38.12 | CloudWolf | been developing a site which basically hosts gaming projects ad provides a form of mini-site |
| 16:38.24 | Fate__ | hm |
| 16:38.26 | CloudWolf | you register an account, then you can setup profiles for your games :) |
| 16:38.50 | CloudWolf | this is probably a good example: http://www.engamer.net/projects/profile/poker-d |
| 16:38.52 | Fate__ | so if i have an interrest in that i can just sing up and do the page? |
| 16:39.25 | CloudWolf | exactly :) It's all totally free. I just want to help out the sc2 scene as much as possible, as I fully appreciate it can eb difficult to establish an online presence |
| 16:40.28 | CloudWolf | I'm also helping to design loading screens / engamer graphics for projects who join us :) http://www.engamer.net/forum/view_thread/34 |
| 16:40.29 | Fate__ | hm maybee ill give it a try later |
| 16:40.47 | Fate__ | atm i am witing sth about my map in german for a german sc2 site |
| 16:41.38 | Fate__ | hm so u doing icons ?^^ |
| 16:42.51 | Fate__ | seems a bit cooler than a post on mapster :) |
| 16:43.01 | CloudWolf | sure am :) basically creating a 3-piece set which includes a 64x64 icon. e.g. http://www.engamer.net/forum/view_thread/34 |
| 16:43.30 | CloudWolf | appreciate we're quite new as a community, so im trying to help out where possible to get things moving :) |
| 16:44.26 | CloudWolf | by all means, feel free to register an account and test it out :) No worries if you decide it's not for you :P |
| 16:45.03 | Fate__ | ill keep that in mind :) |
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| 16:52.30 | Zolden | lol i thought i don't have that "slower test document" |
| 16:52.50 | Zolden | but i just haven't patched |
| 16:59.38 | G0A | hmm, nobody plays blizz's newest featured map:D |
| 17:00.14 | Zolden | you mean that one that requires offline playing to avoid delay? |
| 17:07.18 | Tomura | Zoldon do you know how to set up joints for the physics mesh in a model? |
| 17:08.12 | G0A | Hey Cloudwolf |
| 17:08.22 | CloudWolf | hey GOA! :) |
| 17:08.40 | G0A | why you write on brokenalliances.com when you can do it here too:D |
| 17:08.55 | CloudWolf | true! hadn;t really thought about that ;) |
| 17:09.13 | G0A | anyway I will reply today or in week, now I am off. Have to get drunk and after that I go to a festival:D |
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| 17:09.52 | Tomura | slaps Zolden around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:10.19 | Tomura | Do you have experience with the physics stuff for the Art Tools? |
| 17:11.22 | SaVi | holy shit these graphics are really nice cloudwolf |
| 17:12.22 | Zolden | Tomura joints? |
| 17:12.44 | Tomura | well if you have physics mesh for a character |
| 17:13.01 | Zolden | yea? |
| 17:13.04 | Zolden | and what about it? |
| 17:13.09 | Tomura | you'd have to set up joints so each physics mesh is connected |
| 17:13.23 | Tomura | what do I have to do to create them/set them up |
| 17:13.45 | Tomura | max crashes on me when I try to select any of the menu entries in the art tools |
| 17:13.45 | Zolden | never used those joints |
| 17:13.49 | Tomura | ah |
| 17:14.08 | Tomura | then I'll have to try around |
| 17:14.13 | Zolden | yea |
| 17:14.27 | Zolden | but ask Triceron |
| 17:14.35 | Tomura | k |
| 17:14.38 | Zolden | he used physics for unit death |
| 17:14.54 | Zolden | but maybe he haven't tried to connect them too |
| 17:15.09 | Zolden | pm him, he's frequently on forum |
| 17:15.20 | Tomura | will do |
| 17:15.21 | Tomura | thx |
| 17:16.16 | Tomura | great now max crashed when I try to generate convex hulls |
| 17:16.22 | Tomura | I think I broke something |
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| 17:21.09 | Zolden | is convex hull - that thing when physic objects trying to imitate mesh shape? |
| 17:21.20 | Zolden | it worked for me without crash |
| 17:21.48 | Tomura | ok seems crash for only some bones |
| 17:32.23 | Tomura | *seems to crash |
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| 17:38.05 | Kueken | Sharks for everyone! |
| 17:39.11 | Zolden | hey Kueken |
| 17:39.18 | Zolden | i have only one question for you |
| 17:39.27 | Kueken | EXPLOSIONS??? |
| 17:39.59 | Zolden | close |
| 17:40.02 | Zolden | explainations |
| 17:40.15 | Kueken | I was quoting Borderlands 2 :) |
| 17:40.34 | Zolden | is it movie or game? |
| 17:40.34 | Kueken | anyway, what do you need |
| 17:40.37 | Kueken | game |
| 17:40.53 | Zolden | 100 years ago people used to quote books |
| 17:40.59 | Zolden | but we're fucked generation |
| 17:41.21 | Kueken | I just finished reading a book, as a matter of fact |
| 17:41.27 | Zolden | how does that thing work, when colossus beam creates its launch site from its host launch+ field? never saw this method |
| 17:41.34 | Zolden | what book? |
| 17:41.52 | Kueken | fantasy stuff |
| 17:41.58 | Zolden | who's author? |
| 17:43.06 | Kueken | linking it in a second |
| 17:43.16 | Kueken | its probably a girl's book, though |
| 17:43.24 | Zolden | about unicorns? |
| 17:43.47 | Zolden | or about relations? |
| 17:44.44 | Zolden | god, yesturday I unintentionally heard how fat drunk chicks talking about relations... |
| 17:44.45 | Kueken | http://www.amazon.com/Perfect-Blood-The-Hollows-Book/dp/B00BQ83QUQ/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_y |
| 17:45.10 | Kueken | in german, it looks and is called totally different, so I am not 100% sure |
| 17:45.15 | Zolden | never heard about the author |
| 17:45.20 | Kueken | :) |
| 17:45.53 | Kueken | its the 10th book in a series I enjoy |
| 17:46.25 | Zolden | oh, those fantasy series... addictive shit i guess |
| 17:46.41 | Kueken | the launch site is created by selecting "Creation" instead of "Implicit" or "Actor Find" in the hosting fields |
| 17:46.56 | Kueken | it just creates the site without further specifications |
| 17:46.57 | Zolden | like hitler was addictive to war: captured a poland, and never stopped then |
| 17:47.13 | Kueken | I didn't find it to be exceptionally useful |
| 17:47.35 | Zolden | well, this thing doesn't work in a traditional way |
| 17:48.29 | Kueken | if I were to replicate the Colossus beam, I wouldn't use a launch site |
| 17:48.32 | Zolden | i need to use at caster term to use caster's attachments, but that simply doesn't move the impact site mover and thus doesn't destroy the beam, so everything is ruined |
| 17:48.39 | Kueken | just the impact mover site should suffice |
| 17:48.45 | Zolden | and without at caster term using sopattachshit doesn't work |
| 17:49.23 | Zolden | i thought it would be sufficient, but haven't find a way to use it without launch site ;/ |
| 17:49.35 | Kueken | the mover site only works, if it is based on the colossus impact mover for some reason |
| 17:49.41 | Zolden | editor just can't stop showing me that i'm still a noob ;/ |
| 17:49.53 | Kueken | I didn't consult the XML so far, Jade might be able to tell you more |
| 17:50.15 | Zolden | he uses launch site too |
| 17:50.29 | Kueken | I know |
| 17:50.45 | Zolden | well, not a big deal, i jsut used that stupid site and kept doing other things |
| 17:51.05 | Kueken | just the mover site object needs to be based on the colossus mover site object for some reason |
| 17:51.36 | Zolden | my plan was to simply have "sopattachweapon" as launch site op, so it would maybe create beams for each weapon attachment |
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| 17:52.17 | Zolden | Kueken you mean, if I would copy colossus mover instead of creating a new one, it would work without launch site? |
| 17:52.47 | Zolden | or you mean use colossus one as a parent? |
| 17:53.03 | Kueken | not copy, create new one, and select the "show non-default option" to set the parent to the colossus mover site |
| 17:53.18 | Zolden | strange |
| 17:53.58 | Kueken | its probably some additional XML data required, which you cannot change in the standard UI. |
| 17:54.30 | Zolden | well, ok, next time i need to base an attack on colossus moving beam, i'll try it |
| 17:55.00 | Zolden | so many exceptions from an expected way of working |
| 18:04.42 | Kueken | :) |
| 18:58.02 | Gluon | hello Kappa |
| 19:12.31 | A1win | Zolden, can you make the team colored ring around the ship slightly darker without making anything else darker? |
| 19:12.39 | A1win | otherwise it's looking good |
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| 19:16.51 | Batomys | Test Document seems to take a lot longer to start since the patch |
| 19:17.13 | A1win | yeah... |
| 19:17.20 | Batomys | The "calulating" window only appears intermittently, and there is often a long period of nothing but a black screen before the loading bar or loading screen art appears |
| 19:17.20 | A1win | if you keep the game open, it's only long on the first load |
| 19:19.44 | Zolden | A1win ok |
| 19:20.24 | Zolden | i didn't patch, still fast :) |
| 19:26.22 | Batomys | Bummer |
| 19:26.52 | Batomys | Anyone pick up a Leap Motion yet? |
| 19:27.01 | Batomys | Was just playing Fruit Ninja, fun. |
| 19:31.27 | Zolden | i only played vegetable assassin |
| 20:04.13 | Gluon | how would you go around making a unit unmovable but without preventing it to attackmove on the ground? |
| 20:04.33 | Gluon | unticking the movable flag does that |
| 20:05.04 | Gluon | removes move command button |
| 20:05.16 | Gluon | and only allows you to target units with attack |
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| 20:13.36 | Gluon | :s |
| 20:14.17 | Batomys | :G |
| 20:15.40 | Zolden | :R |
| 20:17.01 | Gluon | :L |
| 20:27.43 | Gluon | :( |
| 20:32.56 | Gluon | putting speed or accelaration to 0 also disable those functions |
| 21:08.53 | Tomura | great I got the phyiscs to work properly |
| 21:16.31 | Zolden | connected them? |
| 21:16.37 | Tomura | yup |
| 21:16.49 | Zolden | and what connection brought? ragdoll behaving? |
| 21:16.52 | Tomura | and set the actor up for rag doll death |
| 21:17.02 | Zolden | cool |
| 21:17.26 | Tomura | I needed the spectre to have rag doll because I use it as my main model for my TPS Mod |
| 21:17.33 | Zolden | can we create complicated ragdolls, like an octopus with long legs? |
| 21:19.52 | Tomura | should be possible |
| 21:20.39 | Tomura | if the skeleton is set up properly there should be no problems |
| 21:21.32 | Tomura | what made it crash was the convex hull generation, when I had a bone that wasn't skinned to vertices |
| 21:22.12 | Tomura | and the joint creation calls that function when a bone does not have a physics mesh connected to it |
| 21:23.11 | Tomura | it also crashes when you try to create a joint and have something selected that it doesn't like |
| 21:23.13 | Tomura | like helpers |
| 21:25.26 | Zolden | lol, i can understand it |
| 21:25.45 | Zolden | i wouldn't like to to create a joint for something i don't like |
| 21:25.55 | Zolden | Dustin would you? |
| 21:27.11 | Tomura | so the problem was that I tried to make a joint between two bones, with one of them not having any vertices selected in the envolopes (which I found out later) |
| 21:28.10 | Tomura | *envelopes |
| 21:28.37 | Zolden | so, we only need to create joints for bones that are used in skin modifiers? |
| 21:28.44 | Tomura | yes |
| 21:29.04 | Tomura | if there is one that doesn't in the hierachy then you have to skip it |
| 21:29.13 | Zolden | i see |
| 21:29.28 | Tomura | so for eample you have Shoulder -> Arm -> Forearm -> Hand |
| 21:29.40 | Tomura | and Arm does not move vertices |
| 21:29.50 | Tomura | then you make the joints ForeArm + Hand |
| 21:29.57 | Tomura | and Shoulder + ForeArm |
| 21:30.25 | Tomura | or you create a physics mesh for the arm with one of the standard shapes |
| 21:30.33 | Tomura | and connect it to the arm bone |
| 21:30.48 | Tomura | then a shoulder + arm joint would also be possible |
| 21:32.49 | Zolden | does crush happens at export/preview if you not follow thise rule? |
| 21:33.00 | Zolden | or at the moment of joint creation? |
| 21:37.33 | Tomura | the latter |
| 21:38.07 | Tomura | it will most of the time work when the convex hull generetion would work or is not needed |
| 21:39.26 | Zolden | is there a difference between a case when mesh and bone connected via skin modifier and the case when mesh simply linked to the bone? |
| 21:40.00 | Tomura | didn't test it |
| 21:41.39 | Tomura | In that case it would be best practice to set up a physics mesh before hand to make sure the joint creation doesn't try to create any additional physic meshes |
| 21:43.44 | Tomura | Some thing I miss in sc2 is the ability to blend the physics simulation |
| 21:44.39 | Tomura | because the rag doll deaths start the simulation immediately |
| 21:45.26 | Tomura | do make it look more pollished I'd like to have a death animation0 at the start and then blend into the physics from that movement |
| 21:46.11 | Zolden | and again, there is a chance that Triceron can help |
| 21:46.26 | Zolden | he created physics-related death for his footman |
| 21:46.34 | Zolden | and it worked just cool |
| 21:48.29 | Tomura | k |
| 21:48.43 | Tomura | I'm currently at what blizz did for hots |
| 21:48.52 | Tomura | for rag doll deaths |
| 21:52.37 | Zolden | Kueken do you know how to play death animation and then create a ragdoll? |
| 21:59.21 | Tomura | well it's just a detail |
| 22:06.02 | Gluon | whats the use of "create bank section" |
| 22:06.16 | Gluon | if it creates the section when you store something |
| 23:10.00 | Kueken | Zolden: not sure |
| 23:10.08 | Kueken | might be possible, dunno |
| 23:10.19 | Kueken | gonna sleep now though, good night |
| 23:55.59 | JademusSreg | Zooop. |