| 00:05.31 | Bounty | So the wife and I took a quiz "Are you a serial killer, murderer or sociopath? I scored Murderer and she scored Normal Boring Person... oh boy |
| 00:05.59 | Bounty | This sounds like the foreshadowing of a future episode of cops |
| 00:07.28 | MoonEater | Bounty, take hare |
| 00:07.36 | MoonEater | hare's test |
| 00:07.42 | MoonEater | i scored 17 on it |
| 00:07.48 | MoonEater | 100 being the worset |
| 00:07.50 | MoonEater | worst |
| 00:07.56 | MoonEater | 0 being perfect |
| 00:09.35 | Bounty | what quiz did you take |
| 00:09.37 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:09.45 | Bounty | i got 81% murderer |
| 00:09.47 | Bounty | :( |
| 00:10.00 | Bounty | ironically, i also got 71% normal person |
| 00:10.25 | MoonEater | hare's the leading test for the stuff |
| 00:10.38 | Bounty | link? |
| 00:12.13 | Bounty | LANK? |
| 00:12.19 | MoonEater | duno |
| 00:12.22 | MoonEater | u got to google it |
| 00:12.24 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:12.26 | Bounty | google what |
| 00:12.32 | MoonEater | i did it with a shrink as a kid |
| 00:13.07 | MoonEater | im sure theres some programmer made test somewere based off it |
| 00:13.56 | Bounty | i dunno what to google |
| 00:13.57 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:14.08 | MoonEater | online hare's test? |
| 00:17.15 | Bounty | ... |
| 00:17.18 | Bounty | oh boy |
| 00:17.19 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:17.32 | Bounty | http://www.okcupid.com/results/the-psychopathy-test/?var_Detachment=15&var_Chaotism=10&fromCGI=1 |
| 00:17.35 | Bounty | this is what i got |
| 00:17.39 | Bounty | it said it was based on hares test |
| 00:17.43 | Bounty | was the first google result |
| 00:17.46 | Bounty | is this bad? |
| 00:20.08 | MoonEater | http://www.quotev.com/quiz/961137/The-Psychopath-Test/ |
| 00:20.11 | MoonEater | there |
| 00:20.15 | MoonEater | based on hare's |
| 00:24.30 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 00:25.33 | Bounty | WTF |
| 00:25.38 | Bounty | http://www.quotev.com/quiz/961137/The-Psychopath-Test/ |
| 00:25.46 | Bounty | how the fuck do i keep scoring this shit |
| 00:26.26 | Bounty | no more quiz's for the night |
| 00:26.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:26.44 | JademusSreg | Observations: (3 parts) |
| 00:26.47 | Bounty | Psychopath Well... Looks like you're a Psychopath! But hey, that's not always a bad thing. You guys get a bad image, people always think you kill people. That's totally not true! With your manipulative attitude you could be anything you want, why limit yourself to murdering people? |
| 00:26.53 | Bounty | thats what i got MoonEater |
| 00:27.15 | Bounty | uh oh |
| 00:27.24 | Bounty | JademusSreg is typing |
| 00:27.43 | Zandose | Victim - Whoa there! You're a victim! You've got some serious problems, Psychopaths would look for people like you to cheat. You can't trust everyone in this mad world. |
| 00:30.22 | JademusSreg | Observation: People cannot be relied upon to answer questions honestly, as they just answer in whatever manner reinforces their self-perceived identity. |
| 00:30.41 | Zandose | true |
| 00:30.49 | Zandose | wait |
| 00:31.07 | Zandose | truth is in the eye of the beholder |
| 00:32.20 | Bounty | i am answering them honestly |
| 00:32.24 | Bounty | thats why im confused |
| 00:32.33 | Bounty | none of my answers were bad lol |
| 00:32.38 | JademusSreg | Observation: Psychopathy is not clinically recognized, and its use is limited to certain legal contexts, though its analogues (Antisocial and Dissocial personality disorders from DSMV and WHO respectively) are recognized in clinical contexts. |
| 00:33.24 | Bounty | also im aware these tests are bullshit |
| 00:33.32 | Bounty | i just thought it was kind of annoying i keep scoring this shit lol |
| 00:36.02 | JademusSreg | Observation: Psychoanalysis (and by extention, psychotherapy) isn't a rigorous discipline, and isn't science; it's bullshit that occasionally makes some salient observations. =D |
| 00:36.20 | Bounty | yeah |
| 00:36.20 | Bounty | pretty much what i just said |
| 00:36.30 | Bounty | only i said it before you and in much less words |
| 00:36.33 | Bounty | :) |
| 00:36.44 | Bounty | the wife scored normal on all the tests |
| 00:36.50 | Bounty | so that makes me look bad |
| 00:36.52 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:36.56 | Bounty | only reason im getting annoyed |
| 00:37.17 | A1win | make your own tests and don't tell you made them |
| 00:37.18 | A1win | o: |
| 00:37.56 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:38.05 | Bounty | wife was like |
| 00:38.12 | Bounty | "What the fuck did you answer to the questions then?" |
| 00:38.29 | Bounty | >.< |
| 00:38.35 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 00:39.06 | Bounty | Something tells me JademusSreg is some sort of psycho though |
| 00:39.50 | JademusSreg | Zan, I mean that identities are constructed from feedback loops, one observing oneself and one observing the responses of others reacting to oneself. |
| 00:40.00 | Bounty | He probably got inspired for his trademark avatar because after he murders his victims he wraps them up in giant burritos |
| 00:40.32 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 00:41.04 | Bounty | You know whats funny about that though |
| 00:41.23 | Bounty | By process of elimination, somewhere in the world, at some point in history someone most likely did that |
| 00:41.51 | JademusSreg | Not quite, but given time and opportunity, such a thing is inevitable. |
| 00:41.54 | Bounty | Burrito Bill |
| 00:41.58 | JademusSreg | Niiice. |
| 00:42.11 | JademusSreg | There's a name for your first hero. |
| 00:42.16 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:42.20 | JademusSreg | Drives a taco truck. |
| 00:42.44 | Bounty | No sure how that would fit into the Soviet Russia theme |
| 00:42.50 | Bounty | Perhaps hes a mexican immigrant? |
| 00:43.02 | Bounty | Thats quite a journey though |
| 00:43.07 | Bounty | from Mexico to Russia |
| 00:43.14 | A1win | someone failed to process him in Paper's, Please |
| 00:43.21 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:43.41 | Bounty | Is it just me or does every single persons portrait in that game look like a serial killer? |
| 00:43.47 | A1win | :x |
| 00:46.23 | Bounty | Still laughing over the Burrito Bill thing for some reason |
| 00:46.47 | A1win | I need a small project to work on D: |
| 00:47.18 | A1win | a TINY project, whenever I try to start a small project it ends up being huge |
| 00:47.35 | Bounty | Make a game based on Burrito Bill |
| 00:47.48 | JademusSreg | I expect any sapient intelligence requires self-modeling; static self-identification is far less adaptable. |
| 00:48.18 | Bounty | What the hell did you just say? |
| 00:48.22 | JademusSreg | Anyway, A1, finish the planets. |
| 00:49.31 | JademusSreg | Bounty, elaborate on the control scheme and movement. |
| 00:49.58 | Bounty | I want it to control like Twisted Metal... |
| 00:50.02 | A1win | I haven't figured out a good enough FFA game mode for it |
| 00:50.02 | JademusSreg | Describe how it plays in your mind. |
| 00:50.10 | Bounty | in my mind? just how i just said lol |
| 00:50.18 | Bounty | fast paced but not F-Zero fast |
| 00:50.32 | Bounty | different vehicles = variable speeds |
| 00:50.38 | JademusSreg | A1, that sounds like a fun design challenge. |
| 00:50.40 | Bounty | with the slowest being the tank |
| 00:50.44 | A1win | maybe D: |
| 00:50.50 | Bounty | but just think Vigilante 8 or Twisted Metal |
| 00:50.54 | Bounty | thats whats in my head |
| 00:51.11 | Bounty | Will most likely have a lock on aiming system |
| 00:51.33 | JademusSreg | Bounty, I'd prefer you describe it, like telling a story. |
| 00:51.38 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:51.42 | Bounty | ok |
| 00:51.47 | Bounty | let me get another drink and smoke |
| 00:51.49 | Bounty | while i do that |
| 00:51.55 | Bounty | you set up the campfire |
| 00:51.58 | Bounty | brb |
| 00:52.54 | JademusSreg | A1, list all the games you can think off with FFA modes that aren't just Deathmatch. |
| 00:52.57 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 00:53.21 | A1win | only some board games come to mind |
| 00:53.43 | A1win | those are about victory points |
| 00:54.02 | A1win | err... as it would be in deathmatch |
| 00:54.25 | A1win | if the only thing the players can do is shoot things, it would end up into deathmatch :P |
| 00:55.21 | A1win | last man standing is another option but that'd probably suck even more |
| 00:56.15 | A1win | also possible would be one vs everyone, but that doesn't seem to fit either |
| 00:58.00 | A1win | if there are other goals like picking up resources, it'd probably get too random since it wouldn't really be able to account for player positioning when spawning those resources, since there are so many different "teams" |
| 00:58.09 | Bounty | back JademusSreg |
| 00:58.23 | MoonEater | im trying to make an incombat behavior but i cant seem to get the validator to remove my out of combat dummu |
| 00:58.24 | Bounty | So what do you wanna know? How i envision the gameplay? |
| 00:59.14 | JademusSreg | A1, Greater Than Deathmatch != Not Deathmatch. =D |
| 00:59.37 | A1win | ? D: |
| 00:59.51 | A1win | oh, right |
| 00:59.53 | JademusSreg | Bounty, yeah, from loading screen to initial menu navigation to gameplay to finish. |
| 01:00.12 | Bounty | this will include music, is that ok? |
| 01:00.18 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 01:00.53 | Bounty | ok |
| 01:00.56 | Bounty | here goes |
| 01:01.05 | A1win | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathmatch_(gaming)# |
| 01:01.08 | JademusSreg | A1, for instance in Smash Bros, you've got Coin Battle. Knock around your opponents, grab their coins before they can retrieve them, most coins wins. |
| 01:01.10 | Bounty | this is my first time actually channeling what i see in my head into words so |
| 01:01.15 | Bounty | forgive me in advance if this uscks |
| 01:01.26 | A1win | mmf |
| 01:01.44 | MoonEater | JademusSreg, Coin is one of the worst gametypes ive ever seen |
| 01:01.51 | A1win | oh right, it's possible to use weapons for other things than damage ;p |
| 01:02.57 | Bounty | game boots up, and a hammer and sickle emblem appears in the background followed by it slowly fading into a 45 degree view of red square. After that, the character select UI pops up and this music kicks in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nabYYdQkS58&t=0m26s |
| 01:03.41 | MoonEater | wow |
| 01:03.43 | MoonEater | bounty... |
| 01:03.48 | Bounty | ? |
| 01:04.21 | JademusSreg | Or imagine something more appropriate to your setting. Planet Siege: Players must destroy one another's homeworld while securing their own. Death is a trifle inconvenient, projectiles impact one another, allow players to erect shields or deploy repairs by grabbing powerups riding by on comets or emerging from wormholes, et cetera. |
| 01:04.44 | Bounty | what did i do |
| 01:04.45 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:05.00 | MoonEater | song is soo weird |
| 01:05.13 | Bounty | catchy though isnt it? :) |
| 01:05.22 | Bounty | which is why its the character select music |
| 01:05.24 | Bounty | anyways |
| 01:05.31 | MoonEater | irratating to me maybe other people will react differently |
| 01:05.32 | JademusSreg | Focus, Bounty. Remember the mantra to design nirvana: "Who gives a fuck what anyone else thinks?" |
| 01:06.10 | Bounty | After players have selected their vehicles, the UI that shows the team matchup appears (showing player names, what team they are on and what class they have chosen) the music is still playing at this point |
| 01:06.11 | MoonEater | Jade to trigger a Seeing Combat validator |
| 01:06.20 | MoonEater | what do i need to set |
| 01:06.20 | A1win | well the problem with player elimination FFA is that multiple players can take single players down too easily |
| 01:06.25 | MoonEater | value 1 and greater than? |
| 01:07.05 | JademusSreg | Moon, need context. Design first. Or need I repost the parable/joke? |
| 01:07.12 | Bounty | actually no |
| 01:07.15 | Bounty | scratch that |
| 01:07.23 | Bounty | this music is playing when the UI pops up showing the matchup |
| 01:07.24 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDQ7hXMLxGc |
| 01:07.43 | Bounty | 0-20 is the matchup |
| 01:07.43 | A1win | it's often best that players can only slightly disturb others, so that when they're disturbing one player too much, they can notice it eventually, and leave him alone while disturbing those that are doing better |
| 01:07.49 | Bounty | and letting players know the match is about to begin |
| 01:07.59 | MoonEater | JademusSreg, Its a validator to check if a unit is in combat, it is attached to a marker behavior |
| 01:08.17 | MoonEater | the behavior removes it self when in combat |
| 01:08.28 | JademusSreg | A1, then don't eliminate players. I merely suggest a design, and you correctly observed the flaw, so have courage to assert your own designs. =D |
| 01:08.37 | Bounty | after that the players spawn at their main base and set off into red square. the creeps would be normal soldiers that could be run over by the players but they are not 100% non threatening, they would posses rocket launchers etc |
| 01:08.59 | Bounty | beyond that im not sure how else to explain it beyond saying Twisted Metal meets Dota |
| 01:09.00 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:09.05 | A1win | I don't have my own designs :P |
| 01:09.26 | JademusSreg | Moon, that's not a design, haha. |
| 01:09.27 | Bounty | that good enough JademusSreg? |
| 01:09.43 | MoonEater | what do u mean design? thats how i want it to work |
| 01:09.46 | MoonEater | thats the plan |
| 01:09.51 | JademusSreg | Bounty, but the part you're not describing is the most important part. |
| 01:10.01 | Bounty | because i just described it |
| 01:10.03 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:10.07 | MoonEater | i need a marker behavior to remove when theres fighting |
| 01:10.10 | JademusSreg | Moon, the design is what it's supposed to do, not how it works. |
| 01:10.31 | Bounty | i quite literally want it to play exactly like Twisted Metal, only have it be two teams and the objective to destroy the opposing teams main structure |
| 01:10.40 | JademusSreg | A1, sure you do. You designed and implemented and refined the mechanics. |
| 01:11.34 | JademusSreg | Bounty, but how do they move? How does it look and sound and feel to control the vehicles? |
| 01:11.37 | MoonEater | JademusSreg, i need a marker behavior to remove when the unit is in combat to disable triggers |
| 01:11.48 | A1win | are you talking about the area control mechanic or what D: |
| 01:11.51 | JademusSreg | Moon, that's an approach. =D |
| 01:11.51 | Bounty | I dont know how it controls JademusSreg |
| 01:11.55 | Bounty | i thought you were going to handle that lol |
| 01:12.22 | Bounty | it looks like a Soviet Union Propaganda movie |
| 01:12.24 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:12.36 | Bounty | Glorifying the USSR |
| 01:12.42 | Bounty | lots of red |
| 01:12.43 | JademusSreg | A1, I'm speaking more generally, but specifically had in mind the movement and controls, which you implemented quite well. |
| 01:12.53 | MoonEater | JademusSreg, i need to disable a button when a player is fighting |
| 01:12.55 | MoonEater | ?? |
| 01:12.58 | A1win | ah... but that's got nothing to do with the game mode? :x |
| 01:13.15 | JademusSreg | Bounty, I mean how you imagine it should play, the experience of it, not the technical aspect. |
| 01:13.34 | JademusSreg | Moon, aaaaand why is that? =D |
| 01:13.57 | Bounty | I imagine it will play like vigilante 8 with a dota twist on it lol |
| 01:13.58 | MoonEater | to force players to stay and fight |
| 01:14.01 | Bounty | players constantly on the move |
| 01:14.10 | Bounty | not being constricted to one lane |
| 01:14.15 | MoonEater | JademusSreg, to force players to stay and fight |
| 01:14.17 | JademusSreg | A1, I mean only to point out you can design, contrary to the previous assertion on your part. |
| 01:14.26 | A1win | ah :P |
| 01:14.44 | Bounty | the focus would be more on killing the enemy players |
| 01:14.55 | Bounty | creeps would still be a threat but only a minor one |
| 01:15.10 | Bounty | unless you let them build up |
| 01:15.11 | A1win | so a fancy way to say "get out of here and do it yourself"? :x |
| 01:15.15 | Bounty | then that would be a problem |
| 01:16.09 | JademusSreg | Bounty, do they move like SC2 units? Or do they move like vehicles, accounting for the vehicle turn capacity, can they get enough speed to drift, are steering and weapon aiming bound together or can the player look and steer independently? |
| 01:16.14 | Bounty | like vehicles |
| 01:16.22 | Bounty | unless i cant pull it off |
| 01:16.32 | Bounty | then they would move like everything else does in my games |
| 01:16.44 | Bounty | i would like aiming to be lock on based |
| 01:16.49 | Bounty | you could shoot from the hip if you want |
| 01:16.57 | Bounty | but you have the option to lock on |
| 01:17.15 | JademusSreg | A1, nope. Just poking a hole in that particular assertion. I don't mind at all discussing FFA mode designs, provided it's a balanced discussion, haha. |
| 01:17.16 | MoonEater | i swear jade does this to irratate em |
| 01:17.55 | A1win | now I'm not even sure what you were talking about D: |
| 01:18.24 | JademusSreg | Moon, the purpose is to condition you to get help more efficiently by following the process. =D |
| 01:18.24 | A1win | or what the point was, rather |
| 01:18.54 | MoonEater | i knwo the process, i just need help with a unit takes damage time validation |
| 01:18.54 | JademusSreg | Bounty, autolock might not go over so well. |
| 01:19.35 | Bounty | i dont mean quite literally AUTO |
| 01:19.37 | Bounty | i mean if your mouse is over another players vehicle |
| 01:19.40 | Bounty | it will target it |
| 01:19.47 | JademusSreg | A1, there was the main thread, then a tangent, then back to the main thread, the FFA mode for Space Shooty Pew Pew Planets. |
| 01:19.50 | Bounty | and bring up a target UI |
| 01:20.12 | Bounty | and projectiles will go to that target |
| 01:20.28 | Bounty | but it will be timed |
| 01:20.34 | Bounty | thats where the auto lock comes in |
| 01:20.38 | Bounty | so say i hover over you |
| 01:20.42 | MoonEater | MoonEater, aww comeone jade just answer me how the validator should look like to trigger when a unit is attacked |
| 01:20.45 | Bounty | and i hover off of you immediately |
| 01:20.46 | JademusSreg | Bounty, so do you mean the mouse or the camera target? |
| 01:20.50 | A1win | JademusSreg, yeah? D: |
| 01:20.52 | Bounty | i will still have you targetted for X amount of time |
| 01:21.05 | Bounty | both JademusSReg |
| 01:21.15 | Bounty | mouse is centered |
| 01:21.35 | JademusSreg | A1, you're right to point out that elimination modes are flawed. So what if one deals damage to enemy planets as part of the victory conditions? |
| 01:21.59 | A1win | mmhm |
| 01:22.03 | JademusSreg | Perhaps to set back their completion of a superweapon, or to harvest delicious planetary debris, et cetera. |
| 01:22.44 | JademusSreg | Bounty, so steering orientation and targeting will be bound together. |
| 01:22.53 | Bounty | yeah |
| 01:22.54 | MoonEater | sooo ignored :( |
| 01:23.02 | Bounty | i dont think WASD steering would work very well |
| 01:23.05 | Bounty | on bnet |
| 01:23.30 | JademusSreg | Moon, I must have missed the part where you explained the purpose of disabling the thing, my apologies. |
| 01:23.51 | MoonEater | T,T |
| 01:23.56 | JademusSreg | Bounty, well, no worse than mouse. |
| 01:24.20 | Bounty | Mouse is easier to control |
| 01:24.27 | Bounty | Steering wise |
| 01:25.14 | JademusSreg | So what are the controls for acceleration, brake, optionally steering left and right, reverse. |
| 01:25.59 | Bounty | I would like Accelerate to be Left Click, Reverse/Brake to be right click and weapons to be bounce to number keys |
| 01:26.01 | MoonEater | JademusSreg i have a escpae dialog button that allows players to teleport instantly to switch thier load out, i need to disable this when they go into combat so i made a dummy behavior that when the unit takes damage its suppose to swap out itself with anohter behavior, the issue is that the behavior's validator is not tripping on unit damage and i cant seem to find out why |
| 01:26.07 | MoonEater | damn u jade |
| 01:26.09 | MoonEater | XD |
| 01:26.43 | JademusSreg | The benefit of allowing both camera and key steering is drifting, and even doing lovely 180 to face your opponents coming up behind you to pound them with your arsenal. |
| 01:26.54 | A1win | let's say each player has a planet, and it's constantly rewarding that player victory points at a certain rate... if the planet is damaged, the rate slows down for a while... if the players constantly knew how far each player is in the progress, it'd become a game of "shoot the planet with the highest progress", and if they didn't know the progress all the time, would it become too annoying to keep track of it :E |
| 01:26.58 | JademusSreg | Moon, now I understanfd. |
| 01:27.02 | JademusSreg | *understand |
| 01:27.18 | JademusSreg | Show me ze xml. |
| 01:27.26 | Bounty | so you agree with my decision JademusSreg? |
| 01:27.33 | Bounty | of having everything be mouse based? |
| 01:27.58 | MoonEater | so what values am i missing? http://pastebin.com/CCbjDScf |
| 01:28.04 | JademusSreg | Bounty, undecided, but at least I have a starting point, so I know what script to prototype. |
| 01:28.15 | A1win | what if the progress is revealed to all players at the same time, like once every minute or so... that way the players wouldn't be able to do anything about it anyway |
| 01:28.32 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tolkfan (~Thunderbi@host-89-230-245-4.nowydwor.mm.pl) |
| 01:28.37 | A1win | like every minute it shows the top 3 planets... and then everyone's shooting those ._x |
| 01:28.48 | A1win | sounds a bit hectic |
| 01:29.01 | MoonEater | put a bounty on them |
| 01:29.08 | MoonEater | top 3 plannets have a bounty |
| 01:29.11 | JademusSreg | Hm. I think a visual representation of the damage state would be more satisfying and intuitive. |
| 01:29.17 | MoonEater | weak plannets r not worth anything |
| 01:29.33 | MoonEater | JademusSreg, u talking to me? |
| 01:29.46 | JademusSreg | That was for A1. I'm looking over the xml now. |
| 01:29.55 | A1win | MoonEater, that's already the case, the "reward" is that the player who is doing the best is slowed down, giving yourself a better chance to win |
| 01:30.25 | MoonEater | but u want to incentivise players to attack the strongest right or atleast stay away from the weakest |
| 01:30.27 | A1win | so there's no reason to give another kind of reward for it |
| 01:30.37 | A1win | well sort of |
| 01:30.40 | MoonEater | instead of pentalizing the good player make them the target of the weak players |
| 01:30.44 | MoonEater | encourge them to gang up |
| 01:30.47 | A1win | I don't want 7 players to attack 1 player just because he's doing the best :P |
| 01:31.05 | A1win | that wouldn't be fun |
| 01:31.13 | MoonEater | well im not saying one |
| 01:31.21 | MoonEater | im saying the top planets |
| 01:31.25 | MoonEater | give them a incentive |
| 01:31.32 | A1win | they already have an incentive |
| 01:31.46 | MoonEater | ok then discourage them from attacking weak planets |
| 01:31.56 | A1win | that's not the problem |
| 01:32.02 | JademusSreg | Moon, these validators are certainly misconfigured, from what I see. |
| 01:32.21 | MoonEater | ok well im abit confuised |
| 01:32.26 | A1win | I'm just trying to avoid a huge number of players ganging up against a small number of players all the time |
| 01:32.27 | MoonEater | cause ive tried many combinations |
| 01:32.36 | MoonEater | ah! |
| 01:32.39 | JademusSreg | See the combat time validator? See the Value field? |
| 01:32.51 | MoonEater | yes |
| 01:33.16 | JademusSreg | And? |
| 01:33.24 | MoonEater | its 1? |
| 01:33.27 | MoonEater | needs to be 0? |
| 01:33.42 | JademusSreg | For which one? =D |
| 01:33.57 | MoonEater | value? thats the only int field |
| 01:34.08 | MoonEater | my orginal was 0 and greater than |
| 01:34.11 | MoonEater | but it wasnt working |
| 01:34.15 | JademusSreg | I'll take a moment to explain. |
| 01:34.56 | MoonEater | A1win, u have an incentive system, use it u dont want ganging up or players todo things incentivize them to do somthing different |
| 01:35.57 | MoonEater | JademusSreg? |
| 01:36.24 | JademusSreg | SeeingCombat and SeeingCombat2 (dupes) differ in their Compare fields. But the Value and WhichUnit fields have not been configured. |
| 01:36.34 | A1win | hmm maybe it should be a game of whack-a-mole :o each planet is inactive at first, and makes progress towards becoming active... when a planet is damaged, it slows down becoming active, but the progress doesn't go backwards... and when a planet becomes active, it gains a limited health pool that must be damaged to make the planet inactive again... and while a planet is active, it awards its owner victory points, and has a very clear visual effect that scr |
| 01:36.52 | JademusSreg | So the question is whose combat time is being compared to what value? =D |
| 01:37.41 | MoonEater | so value is the time its taking to compair combat times? so then source? |
| 01:37.48 | JademusSreg | A1, sounds like another mode worth exploring. |
| 01:38.22 | JademusSreg | Moon, certainly not Target. |
| 01:38.31 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:39.46 | A1win | so when your planet becomes active, you can either defend it to make it last active a bit longer, or go damage other players' planets while they are busy attacking yours |
| 01:40.45 | A1win | ...the huge number of players isn't attacking the small number of *players*, they are attacking their planets :x |
| 01:41.23 | JademusSreg | Risk vs reward, good design presents these opportunities for meaningful player choices, so it sounds worth prototyping the mode. |
| 01:41.36 | A1win | while that small number of players are free to do whatever they want since they don't need to attack planets, they can attack the players if they want |
| 01:41.43 | A1win | so if you're doing well, you have more choice in what you can do |
| 01:43.35 | A1win | mmh although if you can constantly see how much victory points each player has, that would also make other players attack your planet while it's inactive if you were the player with the highest score |
| 01:44.10 | A1win | maybe it should be the other way round, that *you* need to do something to make your planet progress from inactive to active |
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| 01:44.42 | A1win | so that while a planet is inactive, there's no use attacking it |
| 01:45.10 | JademusSreg | How would this affect player behavior? |
| 01:45.16 | A1win | but what could that be D: |
| 01:45.40 | A1win | what exactly? |
| 01:46.57 | A1win | let's say player 1 has the highest score, but his planet is inactive... the only way to disturb player 1 is to... well, kill player 1 so that he can't get his planet active >_> |
| 01:47.21 | A1win | (assuming players can get killed and then respawn) |
| 01:47.28 | A1win | so that might not be such a good idea after all |
| 01:48.41 | JademusSreg | And how does the alternative affect behavior? What playstyles would the absence of that mechanic encourage? |
| 01:49.29 | A1win | players would constantly be shooting at the planet of the player who has the highest score, resulting in the scores of at least a few top players staying very equal throughout the game |
| 01:50.41 | A1win | and then one of them gets lucky and reaches the score limit before the others |
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| 01:52.15 | A1win | that's an issue in pretty much every race game where players can disturb each other... what can make it work is provide only just enough information to give a general idea of who's leading, but not provide precise information about it |
| 01:52.26 | JademusSreg | Sounds preferable; the constant struggle to get ahead encouraging the players behind to direct their fire to those in the lead, helps to prevent snowballing. |
| 01:53.11 | A1win | well it'd work like that in both cases, the alternative I described would just make it so that they'd be shooting at the player's ship at times instead of at his planet all the time |
| 01:53.19 | A1win | which would be bad, so yeah :P |
| 01:53.45 | A1win | so maybe just not give the players the information of how much score each player has |
| 01:53.52 | A1win | they can only estimate it somehow |
| 01:53.57 | JademusSreg | A simple visual indicator. |
| 01:53.59 | A1win | maybe give some hints of it |
| 01:54.46 | A1win | like "upgrade" the planet's visuals in a few stages, so that they can see when a player reaches stage 1, but then can't tell his progress until he's at stage 2, and so on |
| 01:56.20 | JademusSreg | If you see, say, a cute little icon beside their name on the leaderboard or whatever that suggests winning, like an ominous glowy trophy or whatever, that would also aid readability even if the opponent's planet isn't in view. |
| 01:57.00 | A1win | mm probably good to have it on the UI as well |
| 01:57.02 | MoonEater | JademusSreg, which is the validator unit |
| 01:57.09 | A1win | ...or on the minimap, actually |
| 01:57.16 | A1win | -or |
| 01:57.27 | JademusSreg | Moon, depends on the context, of course. =D |
| 01:57.47 | MoonEater | the unit who has the behavior |
| 01:58.13 | MoonEater | ive been here for over an hour working on this |
| 01:58.15 | A1win | highlight each planet depending on the stage they're at |
| 01:58.26 | JademusSreg | Source, Caster, and Origin may be applicable, though they are different references and may behave differently in other contexts. |
| 01:58.27 | MoonEater | cant u just tell me? |
| 01:59.12 | MoonEater | JademusSreg, i tested all those using greater than and time value 1 |
| 01:59.15 | JademusSreg | A1, highlighting is problematic, especially where it might conflict with player color. |
| 01:59.20 | MoonEater | the units lose the behavior instantly |
| 01:59.29 | A1win | so kinda like "get 4 points to win the game" and while a planet is active, it adds small fractions to the points, and only the integer part is visible to other players (by visual cues) |
| 01:59.40 | A1win | well I don't mean literally highlighting |
| 01:59.43 | JademusSreg | Moon, less than. Imagine it like a sentence. |
| 02:00.13 | JademusSreg | "If the Source unit has taken damage in time less than or equal to 1, it must be in combat." |
| 02:00.19 | MoonEater | why less than isnt the unit taking damage? |
| 02:00.26 | MoonEater | ah |
| 02:01.20 | MoonEater | not working they r still stuck |
| 02:01.44 | MoonEater | i mean |
| 02:01.53 | MoonEater | they still losing behavior isntantly |
| 02:02.00 | JademusSreg | A1, I prefer icons for readability, though in that case those numerals are pretty well recognized. |
| 02:02.09 | JademusSreg | Moon, paste all the relevant data. |
| 02:02.46 | JademusSreg | A unit with the behavior in its behavior array, the behavior, the effects if any, and the validators. |
| 02:03.23 | A1win | hmm... what if those stages are some actual researches that gives you some benefits o: ...oh look now I'm expanding the project again >_> |
| 02:03.50 | JademusSreg | A1, let's reel it in. |
| 02:04.04 | JademusSreg | Make the "simple" version first, elaborate later. |
| 02:04.21 | MoonEater | http://pastebin.com/vdUXZiWG |
| 02:04.24 | A1win | yea ;p |
| 02:05.21 | JademusSreg | Moon, all in the same paste, preferably. |
| 02:05.29 | A1win | hmmh if you're only shooting at planets though... |
| 02:05.31 | A1win | like imagine 1v1 :P |
| 02:05.42 | A1win | fly to opponents planet, start shooting |
| 02:05.45 | A1win | oh you made it first, you win |
| 02:05.54 | MoonEater | thats all of the xml |
| 02:06.03 | MoonEater | for the whole game's validators |
| 02:06.09 | JademusSreg | Moon, that's not I requested. |
| 02:06.26 | JademusSreg | (And it's also obviously broken, with references to validators that don't exist.) |
| 02:06.50 | MoonEater | u want the behavior also? |
| 02:06.53 | A1win | so in a sense it might be better than planets can only be damaged while they are active |
| 02:06.58 | A1win | *that |
| 02:07.49 | JademusSreg | A1, fair point, but that mechanic doesn't sound intuitive. |
| 02:08.27 | A1win | why not o: |
| 02:08.29 | JademusSreg | "Why can't I kill your planet?" "Because I'm not there to protect it, obviously." "fdgamosenr*strokes*" |
| 02:09.00 | JademusSreg | Though perhaps I misunderstand the activation mechanic. |
| 02:09.18 | JademusSreg | [22:02:18] <JademusSreg> Moon, paste all the relevant data. |
| 02:09.18 | JademusSreg | [22:02:55] <JademusSreg> A unit with the behavior in its behavior array, the behavior, the effects if any, and the validators. |
| 02:09.57 | A1win | being active is like "we're trying to launch a huge weapon's research project, please don't shoot at us" |
| 02:10.23 | A1win | then the other players shoot it until it becomes inactive |
| 02:10.33 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 02:10.33 | A1win | and the player only gets score from the planet while it's active |
| 02:10.35 | MoonEater | JademusSreg, the behavior is added by triggers |
| 02:10.52 | A1win | but how would it become active so that they aren't all active at the same time |
| 02:11.12 | JademusSreg | 1 per customer. |
| 02:11.19 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:11.32 | A1win | mmh? :x |
| 02:11.53 | JademusSreg | I suspect there are some gaps in my understanding. |
| 02:12.02 | A1win | hehe |
| 02:12.37 | MoonEater | http://pastebin.com/YVQrLKL9 |
| 02:12.42 | MoonEater | heres the behavior |
| 02:12.42 | A1win | each player has one planet, which is inactive at first, and becomes active after a period of x seconds has elapsed... so if x is constant, they'd all become active at the same time |
| 02:12.57 | JademusSreg | Moon, this reminds me of a joke involving a guy who does to see a doctor. |
| 02:13.00 | JademusSreg | *goes |
| 02:13.08 | MoonEater | lolz........... |
| 02:13.23 | MoonEater | its unknown behavior 2 |
| 02:13.28 | MoonEater | i forgot to suggest |
| 02:13.35 | JademusSreg | I like how literally everything you post is already obviously broken. |
| 02:13.38 | A1win | maybe you get progress to it by killing stuff |
| 02:13.46 | MoonEater | thats y im going to u jade |
| 02:14.41 | JademusSreg | A1, maybe. Though I suspect that would be susceptible to snowballing. |
| 02:14.46 | A1win | 1) kill enemies to make your planet active 2) while your planet is active, enemies try to destroy its health pool so that it becomes inactive again, and you gain score until it becomes inactive again |
| 02:14.58 | A1win | hmmh |
| 02:15.04 | JademusSreg | Moon, those behaviors don't even use the validators your showed in the paste. |
| 02:15.16 | A1win | well, if evereyone gangs up against you, the planet is shut down pretty fast |
| 02:15.24 | JademusSreg | It plays Boggle with the mind. |
| 02:15.37 | MoonEater | ops sorry i was testing if the behavior to make sure behavior was properly being applied by triggers |
| 02:16.05 | MoonEater | http://pastebin.com/VGP07g60 |
| 02:16.35 | A1win | hmm maybe make it so that when you kill someone, they drop top secret research materials that you then need to loot... so it's possible to kill steal as well >:3 |
| 02:16.44 | MoonEater | http://pastebin.com/Kx2DBtbg |
| 02:16.57 | A1win | I mean, only if you loot that you get progress to your planet, not just from the kill |
| 02:17.04 | MoonEater | im currently esperimenting |
| 02:17.14 | A1win | so it'll make a bit more sense |
| 02:17.17 | MoonEater | so i wouldnt be surprised if it looks messed up |
| 02:17.47 | JademusSreg | Moon, why would you apply that with triggers? Why would you then remove it? Why wouldn't you validate the combat state from the effects that would be making use of it? Why is SeeingCombat still not properly configured? How have these been overlooked? hahahaha |
| 02:18.30 | MoonEater | im adjusting seeing combat, when the unit spawns the behavior death is triggering |
| 02:18.36 | MoonEater | it doesnt trigger with greater than |
| 02:18.41 | MoonEater | so im working from there |
| 02:18.55 | JademusSreg | A1, looting may be useful, gives it the sort of balance of Coin Battle. |
| 02:19.01 | MoonEater | the trigger applies it cause its the easyest way to do it since the trigger is also making the unit |
| 02:19.04 | A1win | would also make it so that light ships can be used to ninja loot stuff without doing much killing |
| 02:19.21 | Bounty | i foresee race riots |
| 02:19.23 | A1win | and long-range weapons won't be too powerful |
| 02:19.24 | Bounty | Zimmerman not guilty |
| 02:19.25 | Bounty | lolol |
| 02:19.35 | MoonEater | they just announced that? |
| 02:19.35 | A1win | except for shooting at planets :o |
| 02:19.36 | JademusSreg | Though if it's about looting, I'd just toss in space priates creeps. |
| 02:19.44 | Bounty | Mooneater, yes |
| 02:20.26 | A1win | I'm not sure if I can make NPC ships, I can't imagine making an AI for that gravity field :P |
| 02:21.19 | JademusSreg | No worries, then. The trouble with PvP looting is the snowballing, as mentioned. The Coin-Battle-ness of it helps to mitigate it, to an extent, so it may work out. |
| 02:21.35 | A1win | hmm well maybe NPCs that are on the surface of neutral planets... |
| 02:21.42 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 02:22.03 | JademusSreg | Pretty good idea. |
| 02:22.09 | A1win | some puny civilizations doing their tiny space program, you kill them and loot their research |
| 02:23.02 | A1win | but probably still also get the stuff by killing players |
| 02:23.11 | JademusSreg | Yesss. |
| 02:23.38 | JademusSreg | Gotta go, busy time. bbl |
| 02:24.06 | A1win | sleep time for me, need to get up in... 5 and a half hours >_> oops |
| 02:25.59 | MoonEater | JademusSreg i got it to work i used grater than 1 on target |
| 02:30.15 | A1win | winner is the player to first research "3D drive", and then flies out of the 2D map and passes by the camera before disappearing behind it :x |
| 02:31.26 | A1win | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeKMS62GrTI |
| 02:33.43 | MoonEater | ya... |
| 02:49.52 | Bounty | So |
| 02:50.01 | Bounty | What do you guys think about this Zimmerman verdict? :) |
| 02:55.22 | JademusSreg | (I don't.) |
| 03:32.48 | JademusSreg | Ah, laundry, truly the most dangerous game. |
| 03:36.03 | JademusSreg | considers the feasibility of coding a chatbot specializing in the signature move of subverting popular idioms and cliches. |
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| 03:54.58 | Ahli | hmm, what could be the thing that the bnet popup messages use? right now those popups are above the leaderpanel in my interface o0 |
| 03:56.55 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 03:57.46 | Bounty | Cool story, my son just took a shit in his pants, put his hands in his pants and put his hand in my face |
| 03:58.31 | Bounty | I think my reaction was the same as if someone had said their was a bomb in the building |
| 04:00.37 | Ahli | walks backwards out of the chat |
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| 04:00.44 | Bounty | LOL |
| 04:01.01 | Bounty | My night is complete |
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| 04:07.44 | JademusSreg | Too many possible jokes. |
| 04:08.58 | Bounty | Indeed |
| 04:09.11 | Bounty | The life of a parent... |
| 04:09.59 | JademusSreg | It's insightful. |
| 04:10.39 | Bounty | I've heard of/seen this happen with other parents i know, this would mark the first occasion it has happend to me personally |
| 04:11.00 | Bounty | any luck with those remixes? :) |
| 04:11.06 | Bounty | or progress at all? |
| 04:11.43 | JademusSreg | I'm in the middle of a laundry pogrom. |
| 04:12.12 | JademusSreg | See, we determined the ultimate solution to the Dirty Clothes. |
| 04:12.31 | Bounty | dafuq |
| 04:12.41 | Bounty | also, progrom? |
| 04:12.46 | Bounty | pogrom* |
| 04:12.52 | JademusSreg | We built a vast aparatus which would take them en masse, drown them, bake them, fold them up. |
| 04:12.55 | Bounty | please tell me you were trying to type program |
| 04:14.10 | JademusSreg | Pogrom. Internet contains dictionaries, comrade. |
| 04:14.40 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:14.53 | Bounty | good one bro |
| 04:14.59 | Bounty | i see wut you did thar |
| 04:15.01 | Bounty | comrade |
| 04:17.32 | Bounty | This thread tells a worthy tale |
| 04:17.33 | Bounty | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/team-recruitment/20181-recruiting-team-for-fart-map/ |
| 04:19.46 | JademusSreg | Yeah, Vexal was committed to his campaign. |
| 04:20.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:20.20 | Bounty | "Hm...I might have to resign then. I don't think I can work on a mod that doesn't have something solid to dump on the community." |
| 04:20.31 | Bounty | that post is a real turning point in that thread |
| 04:20.59 | Bounty | a single post containing that much pun is unheard of |
| 04:21.24 | JademusSreg | A grand purpose nothing short of shitting on everything within the cosmos, I suspect. |
| 04:21.33 | JademusSreg | Quite ambitious, but talented. |
| 04:21.47 | JademusSreg | IF anyone could shit on the cosmos, he had a good chance. |
| 04:23.53 | JademusSreg | Which reminds me of my less ambitious idea. |
| 04:24.09 | JademusSreg | Something that could probably be implemented in a reasonable time frame. |
| 04:27.55 | JademusSreg | 03Dominion Intelligence & Covert Kleptolocution Service: something in the spirit of Spy Party, with a dash of Doublefine humor and a sprinkle of WarioWareish minigames for some mechanics. Each player has protection, espionage, and kill targets, with enough overlap to encourage temporary alliances and betrayal. Stimulating. Other fun stuff, of course, and obviously intended to draw parallels |
| 04:27.55 | JademusSreg | to the current situation. |
| 04:28.28 | Bounty | So |
| 04:28.38 | Bounty | Mario Party but your goal is to kill another player? |
| 04:28.45 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 04:28.55 | Bounty | well i just got a good idea |
| 04:28.57 | JademusSreg | Check out Spy Party. |
| 04:29.03 | Bounty | a mario party style game |
| 04:29.06 | Bounty | where you are assigned a rival |
| 04:29.12 | JademusSreg | It's not like that, but the vibe is similar, I mean. |
| 04:29.21 | Bounty | and you get bonus points for defeating that rival in each minigame |
| 04:29.36 | Bounty | how does that sound |
| 04:30.34 | JademusSreg | It sounds like a thing on top of another thing. It sounds like a layer of decorative icing on a serving platter. |
| 04:30.43 | Bounty | is that good? |
| 04:31.06 | Bounty | you would also get bonus points for preventing the person assigned to defeat you from winning |
| 04:31.09 | Bounty | but you dont know who they are |
| 04:31.17 | Bounty | of course until you notice that during each minigame they are always after you |
| 04:31.35 | Bounty | just came up with that shit |
| 04:31.39 | Bounty | props |
| 04:33.02 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 04:33.47 | Bounty | idk |
| 04:33.51 | Bounty | seems like a good idea to me |
| 04:33.54 | Bounty | watcha think |
| 04:36.48 | JademusSreg | To what does the idea apply? |
| 04:37.19 | Bounty | what? |
| 04:37.29 | Bounty | I just said the entire concept |
| 04:37.34 | Bounty | a Raynor/Mario Party style game |
| 04:37.37 | Bounty | a series of minigames |
| 04:37.51 | Bounty | but at the start of the game you are assigned a target and someone is assigned to target you |
| 04:38.00 | Bounty | you get bonus points for eliminating your target from each minigame |
| 04:38.15 | JademusSreg | Ah, wasn't sure if it was meant to be applied to a current design or was a new design. |
| 04:38.18 | Bounty | and you also get bonus points for preventing the person assigned to target you from winning |
| 04:38.28 | Bounty | just came up with it so |
| 04:38.30 | Bounty | thats all i got |
| 04:38.31 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:39.46 | JademusSreg | I revise my previous statement. It's not icing; it's sprinkles. |
| 04:39.56 | Bounty | which is better |
| 04:43.28 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure we covered this several times before. The food theme, that is. |
| 04:43.35 | Bounty | Nope, never |
| 04:43.38 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 04:43.54 | Bounty | You can simplify this |
| 04:44.00 | Bounty | Which is better, sprinkles or icing |
| 04:44.01 | JademusSreg | I have the log, but I opine that would spoil the humor. |
| 04:44.25 | JademusSreg | Do you ever just eat icing or sprinkles straight? |
| 04:44.39 | Bounty | no |
| 04:44.41 | JademusSreg | Precisely. |
| 04:44.41 | Bounty | derp |
| 04:44.44 | Bounty | i know that part |
| 04:44.52 | Bounty | im asking which is better |
| 04:45.02 | Bounty | you could have ice cream with sprinkles |
| 04:45.06 | Bounty | or a cake with icing |
| 04:45.13 | Bounty | look |
| 04:45.18 | Bounty | i dont know what the fuck you' |
| 04:45.21 | Bounty | you're trying to say |
| 04:45.23 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:45.26 | JademusSreg | They're both incomplete. =D |
| 04:45.53 | Bounty | i dont see how that makes se nse |
| 04:46.01 | Bounty | if the mechanic im talking about is the sprinkles |
| 04:46.10 | Bounty | and the core game they are applied to is the ice cream |
| 04:46.18 | Bounty | sounds delicious to me |
| 04:48.03 | JademusSreg | Precisely. What flavors the core game? =D |
| 04:48.10 | Bounty | look |
| 04:48.15 | Bounty | im not even going to make this game |
| 04:48.19 | Bounty | next topic |
| 04:48.22 | Bounty | >.< |
| 04:48.40 | Bounty | Also, if you look closely you will notice my response was abnormally quick |
| 04:48.54 | Bounty | Which means i knew you were going to give some smart ass reply |
| 04:49.02 | Bounty | >.< |
| 04:49.06 | Bounty | Double >.< |
| 04:49.09 | Bounty | triple now |
| 04:49.42 | JademusSreg | Haha |
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| 05:14.59 | Bounty | Now this can only be referred to as "epic irony" http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/ |
| 05:15.22 | Bounty | same night zimmerman is found not guilty |
| 05:15.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:17.35 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 05:18.10 | Bounty | Can't wait to defend myself at work from all the black dudes at my job |
| 05:18.13 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:22.18 | Bounty | Am i the only one who has a neutral opinion on this? |
| 05:22.38 | Bounty | I dont defend zimmerman nor do i condemn him |
| 05:22.45 | Bounty | i wasnt there, i dont know what the fuck happend |
| 05:23.32 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 05:23.55 | Bounty | that whole george zimmerman trial |
| 05:24.00 | Bounty | the dude who shot a black teenager |
| 05:24.07 | Bounty | was found not guilty |
| 05:24.11 | JademusSreg | Dunno what you're talking about. I don't keep up with uninteresting news. |
| 05:24.14 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 05:24.18 | Bounty | me either |
| 05:24.28 | Bounty | but from what people who have been following it have told me |
| 05:24.33 | Bounty | i see nothing wrong with the verdict |
| 05:24.41 | Bounty | because i wasnt there |
| 05:24.45 | Bounty | i dont know what the fuck happend |
| 05:24.59 | Bounty | from what i heard in the evidence, if you werent there... you dont know either |
| 05:25.07 | Bounty | therefore, under our system... that equals not guilty |
| 05:25.17 | JademusSreg | Sounds like you know some stuff that happened, the results that is to say. |
| 05:25.27 | Bounty | i only know bc the wife was following it |
| 05:25.39 | Bounty | her and i have been arguing about it for the last hour or so |
| 05:25.48 | Bounty | she tried to play the race card |
| 05:26.00 | Bounty | saying he was black and thats why he followed him |
| 05:26.18 | Bounty | even though their had been reports of multiple break ins in the area done by black teenagers |
| 05:26.46 | Bounty | so i switched it up on her and said, what if their had been reports of white teenagers doing break ins in the area and the kid had been white and everything had happend the same way |
| 05:26.53 | Bounty | >.< |
| 05:27.26 | Bounty | I hate when people try to ramp up the race war machine |
| 05:27.34 | Bounty | Shit like this happens daily |
| 05:27.46 | Bounty | This one just happned to get the attention of Al Sharpton |
| 05:28.06 | Bounty | That is all Bounty has to say about that |
| 05:31.31 | JademusSreg | I'll continue my current level of categorical disinterest. |
| 05:33.50 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tBtSN7-zoj0#at=34 |
| 05:33.52 | Bounty | lol idiots |
| 05:41.31 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure that fire is parked illegally, as that's clearly not a fire lane. |
| 05:44.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:45.06 | Bounty | Gotta love the race war machine |
| 05:45.49 | JademusSreg | rolls all the eyes. |
| 05:45.59 | Bounty | Just sayin |
| 05:46.04 | Bounty | you know you agree with me |
| 05:46.29 | Bounty | in that people see shit like this and always have to have an opinion and agree with a side |
| 05:48.19 | JademusSreg | It's bad form to engage in discussions which employ concepts and terms borrowed from racial supremacist propaganda. |
| 05:48.38 | Bounty | Which is exactly what my point was |
| 05:48.51 | Bounty | If the kid was white, nobody would give a shit |
| 05:49.13 | Bounty | Nobody talks about those two black kids who robbed a mother on the street and shot her baby in the face |
| 05:49.25 | Bounty | for no reason |
| 05:49.28 | JademusSreg | absconds. (look it up, fo realities) |
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| 06:48.15 | JademusSreg | Bounty. =D |
| 06:48.20 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 06:48.23 | Bounty | :) |
| 06:48.54 | Bounty | Was my response time to fast? As if to seem desperate? |
| 06:48.57 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:49.18 | Bounty | Almost as if I had been waiting for the last hour for those words |
| 06:49.22 | Bounty | or word |
| 06:49.23 | JademusSreg | What do you think of grabbing some WoW assets, and using as a premise a situation involving a Troll that killed a young Orc? |
| 06:50.01 | Bounty | What do you mean? Like what do I i think of the idea? Sounds fine |
| 06:50.16 | Bounty | If you mean what do I personally think of doing it, nope, i don't even have WoW installed |
| 06:50.44 | Bounty | WoW assets are awesome |
| 06:53.07 | JademusSreg | Naw, I mean to suggest that games can allow us to examine scenarios analogous to relevant events and strip away preconceptions by reframing them. =D |
| 06:53.20 | JademusSreg | *reframing those events |
| 06:53.57 | Lepton | does anyone know the max number of lines in an action definition? |
| 06:54.06 | Lepton | i think its much less than a trigger right? |
| 06:54.25 | JademusSreg | Lep, if you need to ask, your program logic is likely at fault. |
| 06:54.27 | JademusSreg | And no,. |
| 06:55.39 | Lepton | its mainly a switch function |
| 06:55.45 | Lepton | from 1 to 150 |
| 06:56.03 | Lepton | with each one of them having around 10 lines |
| 06:56.12 | Lepton | i cant put them all in the same action or it doesnt execute |
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| 06:56.15 | JademusSreg | Paste it, and I can almost certainly find a more efficient implementation. |
| 06:57.14 | JademusSreg | Can't promise my suggestions will be successfully implemented, but I can explain shit. |
| 06:57.20 | Lepton | all i could do is make another actino for each variable wvalue |
| 06:57.42 | Lepton | but splitting it into 6 is easier |
| 06:57.51 | Lepton | and more convenient |
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| 08:02.41 | Lepton | guys I have a bug where players drop when I end game in victory for them |
| 08:02.58 | JademusSreg | Haha. Code. |
| 08:07.28 | JademusSreg | Is victory set before ending the game? |
| 08:12.53 | Zolden | Lepton G0A mentiooned it too |
| 08:20.12 | JademusSreg | Or perhaps from a player leaves trigger? =D |
| 08:31.53 | Lepton | Zolden, rly? |
| 08:31.57 | Lepton | did he find a fix? |
| 08:32.35 | Lepton | JademusSreg, its from periodic trigger if pts>x then execute action |
| 08:32.52 | Lepton | the action end game as victory for x |
| 08:32.59 | Lepton | then they lag out |
| 08:33.12 | Zolden | Lepton only he can answer |
| 08:33.20 | Lepton | what |
| 08:33.26 | JademusSreg | How about don't do that instead, Lep. |
| 08:33.33 | Lepton | do what then? |
| 08:33.52 | Lepton | so ou cant use vend game for player in a periodic trigger? |
| 08:34.23 | JademusSreg | Naw, that's not the issue exactly. |
| 08:35.01 | JademusSreg | More like don't end the game for them until they -leave- the game, and make the game result based on the result of evaluating the points. |
| 08:35.39 | Lepton | so |
| 08:35.46 | Lepton | if you do a trigger event player leave the game |
| 08:35.56 | Lepton | and then you do end game in victory for triggering player |
| 08:36.00 | Lepton | it will give him victory? |
| 08:36.23 | JademusSreg | Yes, it should, unless that has changed, which I doubt. |
| 08:36.53 | JademusSreg | It's not an uncommon issue. |
| 08:37.53 | Lepton | so |
| 08:38.01 | Lepton | you cant show the victory scren |
| 08:38.04 | Lepton | in a custom game? |
| 08:38.08 | Lepton | or ppl lag out? |
| 08:38.12 | Lepton | thats interresting...... |
| 08:38.18 | Lepton | that youre telling me not to do it |
| 08:38.25 | JademusSreg | Er. |
| 08:38.35 | JademusSreg | I didn't say don't show the victory screen. |
| 08:39.05 | JademusSreg | I don't much care about the victory screen either way, it just shows stats and shit. |
| 08:39.40 | JademusSreg | The player leaves game event fires while the player is in the process of leaving. |
| 08:39.46 | Zolden | Kueken in the actor events, is "EffectParent" term checks what effect caused create message? |
| 08:39.48 | Lepton | how do you show the victory screen if player victory is only given once he leaves the game? |
| 08:39.57 | Lepton | if he clicks leave |
| 08:40.00 | Lepton | and trigger fires |
| 08:40.02 | Zolden | I want to tint an actor depending on the effect that created it |
| 08:40.07 | Kueken | Zolden: Maybe, I never used it |
| 08:40.09 | Lepton | he will stay in the game and be shown victory screen? |
| 08:40.11 | JademusSreg | That's what allows it to save shit to banks when players leave, or in this case determine the victory/defeat results. |
| 08:40.17 | Lepton | or just go straight to scorescreen |
| 08:40.36 | JademusSreg | You know there are other options, right, Lep? |
| 08:40.42 | Lepton | nope |
| 08:40.43 | Lepton | which??? |
| 08:40.50 | Kueken | if you have multiple create messages, you can just tint based on which create was triggered |
| 08:41.13 | Lepton | id rly like to know |
| 08:41.31 | Kueken | like effect.x -> create, effect.x -> tint red effect.y -> create, effect.y -> tint blue |
| 08:41.38 | JademusSreg | Lep, if parts of the trigger text are blue or red, those are parameters that you can set. |
| 08:41.46 | Lepton | theres a lot of "victory panel" thing, is this related? |
| 08:42.00 | JademusSreg | Either GUI has two separate actions or it uses a preset parameter. |
| 08:42.01 | Lepton | yes jade, i tried em all |
| 08:42.20 | Zolden | Kueken oh, nice. I thought only actor creation can be place to tint and stuff, because before, the actor isn't created |
| 08:42.21 | Lepton | if i dont show dialog then on scorescreen it just says player has left hte game |
| 08:42.24 | Lepton | instead of victory |
| 08:43.01 | Kueken | depends on the order |
| 08:43.06 | JademusSreg | When in doubt, assume user error. |
| 08:43.17 | Kueken | when the create message is at the top, it works |
| 08:43.24 | Lepton | whats a victory panel? |
| 08:43.25 | Kueken | when the tint is, it doesn't |
| 08:44.13 | Zolden | Kueken lol, realy? I thought order doesn't affect anything. Because we can't create an event in a choosen position, it always created last. |
| 08:44.20 | JademusSreg | Lep, I use script, so I can't hazard a guess at whatever you're doing in the GUI there. |
| 08:45.00 | Zolden | and we don't have move up/down buttons in event editor, like no one ever thought it may be needed |
| 08:45.14 | Lepton | jade |
| 08:45.15 | Kueken | still, they are executed in order if multiple messages are send on the same event |
| 08:45.19 | Lepton | uill give ya a copy pasta! |
| 08:45.30 | Kueken | use XML view to change the order, if required |
| 08:45.31 | Lepton | could it be |
| 08:45.32 | Lepton | because |
| 08:45.39 | Lepton | a cinematic is trunning while it happens? |
| 08:46.02 | Lepton | https://pastee.org/9bu6n |
| 08:46.05 | Zolden | Kueken and yea, this worked |
| 08:46.13 | JademusSreg | I doubt it, but I can't be certain. |
| 08:47.08 | Lepton | so |
| 08:47.11 | JademusSreg | Lep, pretty sure that's not what I advised. Also, the Show score screen parameter is set. |
| 08:47.14 | Lepton | oh all mighty JademusSreg |
| 08:47.19 | Lepton | whats wrong with the code |
| 08:48.04 | Lepton | its a pretty simple function... |
| 08:48.10 | Lepton | theres not much i can be doing wrong here. |
| 08:48.16 | JademusSreg | Well, it's a tiny sliver, so it provides zero context. |
| 08:49.13 | JademusSreg | Funny, though, that players can leave in the first 3 seconds of the cinematic and still lose. |
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| 08:49.55 | JademusSreg | That's why the player leave event trigger is preferable. |
| 08:50.11 | Lepton | yeahh |
| 08:50.15 | JademusSreg | All you need to do is set their values (which you do by putting them in those playuergroups, perfect). |
| 08:50.21 | Lepton | but i like the victory screen |
| 08:50.25 | Lepton | its rewarding |
| 08:50.29 | Lepton | and cool looking |
| 08:50.32 | Lepton | you feel proud |
| 08:50.55 | JademusSreg | I'm just gonna reunite my forehead with my oak desk. |
| 08:51.02 | JademusSreg | brb while I do that repeatedly |
| 08:52.35 | A1win | ugh 5 hours of sleep isn't meant for A1wins |
| 08:55.38 | Zolden | lack of sleep causes a special kind of trance, that can be used for creative work like mapmaking |
| 09:01.54 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 09:02.03 | JademusSreg | Lep, make a new trigger. |
| 09:03.32 | Lepton | just as I thought your trick doesnt work at all JademusSreg |
| 09:03.32 | JademusSreg | In that trigger, New Event > Player Leaves Game or whatever it's called in GUI. |
| 09:03.44 | Lepton | it even gives defeat instead of victory haha |
| 09:04.24 | JademusSreg | Set the parameters for the event as Any Player and Undecided result. |
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| 09:04.36 | decemberscalm | OOh, you guys have an irc :) |
| 09:05.12 | JademusSreg | Next, New Action > If Then Else (Multiple) |
| 09:06.31 | JademusSreg | For the If condition (-not- in the trigger condition), New Condition > Player is in Playergroup |
| 09:07.02 | JademusSreg | Set player to the triggering player, set playergroup to winners. |
| 09:07.13 | Lepton | you mean "any" result? |
| 09:07.22 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 09:07.58 | Lepton | jade |
| 09:08.00 | Lepton | exactly what i did |
| 09:08.05 | Lepton | i used if then |
| 09:08.15 | Lepton | if player is in player group losers=true |
| 09:08.19 | Lepton | then end game in defeat |
| 09:08.21 | Lepton | else |
| 09:08.25 | Lepton | end game in victory |
| 09:10.19 | Lepton | ok JademusSreg apparently it does give victory, it just takes a few minutes for bnet to uypdate it |
| 09:10.25 | Lepton | but it doesnt show victory screen |
| 09:11.01 | JademusSreg | Copy pasta pastebin, and include the whole trigger, not a slice. |
| 09:12.14 | Lepton | http://pastebin.com/CeudQdkD |
| 09:12.31 | Zolden | decemberscalm yea |
| 09:12.40 | JademusSreg | Picked player is null. |
| 09:12.48 | Lepton | yeah i just did that |
| 09:12.52 | Lepton | 1 sec |
| 09:14.16 | JademusSreg | And yes, victory result is updated once all players have left the game, that's trivial. |
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| 09:14.44 | Lepton | ah |
| 09:14.48 | Lepton | thoguht that was only for ladder |
| 09:16.30 | JademusSreg | Also, what screen is not appearing? |
| 09:16.38 | JademusSreg | You've mentioned it repeatedly. |
| 09:22.06 | Lepton | the VICTORY SCREEN |
| 09:22.36 | JademusSreg | Got a screenshot? |
| 09:23.58 | JademusSreg | You mean a victory screen such as those from the campaign? |
| 09:24.13 | Lepton | such as those from the ladder.. |
| 09:24.29 | Lepton | which pops if you do end game in victory SHOW dialogs |
| 09:26.07 | Lepton | http://i.imgur.com/4QyiB.jpg |
| 09:26.11 | Lepton | that JademusSreg |
| 09:26.21 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 09:28.25 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 09:28.43 | JademusSreg | Time to dig deeper. |
| 09:28.55 | JademusSreg | But first, you can test something. |
| 09:30.41 | JademusSreg | It's probably an obscure action, but try Melee Set Option or some such, add it to the leaving trigger, set the option parameter to Victory, value True. |
| 09:31.28 | Lepton | ok |
| 09:31.32 | JademusSreg | Oh wait, don't add it to that leave trigger. |
| 09:31.34 | JademusSreg | Silly me. |
| 09:32.03 | JademusSreg | Add it to whatever trigger you'd got adding the players to the winner/loser groups. |
| 09:32.42 | Kueken | the victory screen in melee is handled by the standard melee initialization triggers, so if everything fails you can use that to your advantage |
| 09:32.43 | Lepton | OK |
| 09:33.06 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that's what I advised, sort of. |
| 09:33.19 | Kueken | add the default melee triggers and hide a building for every player preventing defeat, and destroy that when you want to trigger a loss |
| 09:33.23 | JademusSreg | MeleeSetOption (int player, int option, bool value); |
| 09:33.23 | Kueken | or something |
| 09:33.43 | JademusSreg | Patience, Kueken. This is a melee-category native. =D |
| 09:33.56 | Kueken | if Jade's suggestion works, it would be a lot better of course |
| 09:34.08 | Kueken | mine would be something like a last resort |
| 09:34.17 | JademusSreg | It might. I'm using my intuitive understanding here. |
| 09:36.04 | JademusSreg | Helping GUI users is like playing Surgeon Simulator 2013. And that's when it's going well. |
| 09:36.17 | Lepton | testing... |
| 09:38.13 | JademusSreg | Even if it doesn't work, there are a number of vialbe solutions. |
| 09:38.17 | JademusSreg | *viable |
| 09:39.12 | Lepton | omfg |
| 09:39.13 | Lepton | lol |
| 09:39.15 | Lepton | now it ends in tie |
| 09:39.28 | JademusSreg | "vialbe" 266,000 results. |
| 09:39.35 | Lepton | soon as I Melee - Set default melee options for all players |
| 09:39.48 | JademusSreg | Er. |
| 09:41.22 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure that's not the option I suggested. |
| 09:41.24 | Lepton | should I set it for all players or just winner? |
| 09:41.28 | JademusSreg | Close, but not it. |
| 09:41.34 | Lepton | the one you suggested doesnt exist |
| 09:41.58 | JademusSreg | I'd wager it does, since the native exists. |
| 09:42.28 | Lepton | "but try Melee Set Option or some such," |
| 09:42.54 | Lepton | trying th eother one |
| 09:42.58 | Lepton | that is player specific |
| 09:44.04 | JademusSreg | Yeeeeaaaaaah. |
| 09:53.51 | Lepton | JademusSreg, doesnt change anything |
| 09:55.12 | Lepton | Kueken, i think ill use your solution :/ |
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| 10:50.38 | Zolden | hmm, why Validators wiki section is so poorly filled |
| 10:53.38 | Zolden | maybe someone knows what "delta" and "fraction" types mean in vital validator? |
| 10:54.08 | Zolden | and also what is the diffrence between Vital and Viatlity types of validators |
| 10:57.51 | Tomura | just judging from the name delta should be vital1-vital2 |
| 10:58.29 | Ahli | vital = life, vitality = life+shields I believe |
| 10:58.36 | Tomura | fraction is currentvalue/defaultvalue |
| 10:58.54 | Ahli | vital = life or shields (chosen) |
| 10:59.32 | Zolden | goo, then vital and fraction is my case |
| 10:59.34 | Zolden | ty |
| 10:59.34 | Ahli | delta should be difference between the units |
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| 11:32.56 | Kueken | delta is maxvalue-currentvalue afaik |
| 11:35.22 | Ahli | sounds reasonable, too |
| 11:35.43 | Tomura | ah that could also be it |
| 11:35.58 | Tomura | never used delta |
| 11:36.58 | Zolden | I think each of us never used like 80% of what editor has |
| 11:49.00 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 11:52.48 | JademusSreg | Probably refers to delta method of deriving a probability distribution for random variance. |
| 11:53.38 | JademusSreg | If I had to guess. Dunno which entry type is being discussed. |
| 11:54.21 | Zolden | type = delta is difference between max and current values of a vital in a validator |
| 11:55.06 | JademusSreg | Handy. |
| 11:55.41 | Zolden | but the term is used in mass math methods |
| 11:55.54 | Zolden | because difference is a fundamental notion |
| 11:55.59 | JademusSreg | I like my version more though. Weighting the distribution with a field would be even better. =D |
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| 19:21.07 | Dogmai | dustin ahli motive |
| 19:21.09 | Zolden | Dogmai is there actual evolution in evolution map? |
| 19:21.20 | Dogmai | what do you mean |
| 19:21.36 | Dogmai | my UI flashes and evolves like a pokemon o_O |
| 19:22.09 | Zolden | ok |
| 19:22.42 | Dogmai | i want to host a game if you want to come mate |
| 19:22.45 | Dogmai | made some balance changes |
| 19:24.11 | Zolden | is it cold in your desert? |
| 19:35.18 | Dustin | sup |
| 19:35.33 | Dustin | still needin me? |
| 19:41.27 | Ahli | I need someone that just joins and leaves bnet and that is in my friend lost while doing that |
| 19:45.54 | Fate_afk | Ahli NA or EU? |
| 19:46.08 | Ahli | NA, one mom pls |
| 19:52.40 | Zolden | one mom? |
| 19:53.04 | Fate_afk | moment :) |
| 19:54.19 | Dustin | I got on to play your evolves map Dogmai :P |
| 19:54.25 | Dogmai | oh yea |
| 19:54.27 | Dogmai | like it? |
| 19:54.39 | Dustin | I was waiting on you :P is it public? |
| 19:55.18 | Dogmai | oh |
| 19:55.22 | Dogmai | its public |
| 19:55.27 | Dogmai | i gotta sleep though |
| 19:55.34 | Dustin | Whats the name, that's cool |
| 19:55.52 | Dogmai | evolution wars x |
| 19:55.58 | Dogmai | you can search for evo wars |
| 19:56.01 | Dogmai | its the good looking one |
| 19:56.03 | Dogmai | night mate |
| 19:56.09 | Dustin | night man! |
| 20:09.26 | Fate_afk | anyone want to test my map with me? |
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| 20:17.03 | Dryeyece | Wussup |
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| 20:19.11 | MoonEater | hola! |
| 20:53.02 | Zolden | Kueken hey, another question for you, r u here? |
| 20:53.16 | Kueken | halfway |
| 20:53.18 | MoonEater | im here ZOLDEN! |
| 20:53.23 | Kueken | might take a while to answer |
| 20:53.53 | Zolden | Kueken it's ok, i'll just ask |
| 20:54.18 | Zolden | Kueken oh, nvm, i just got an answer in my head and need to try it, sry :) |
| 20:54.37 | Zolden | MoonEater ok, you here, this save some moon from your eating, so i'm glad |
| 20:54.58 | MoonEater | offers zolden a moon pie |
| 20:55.05 | Zolden | Kueken waht are you doing there btw? mapping or something else? |
| 20:55.29 | Kueken | blaying borderlands with a couple of friends :) |
| 20:55.31 | Zolden | i prefer terrestrial food |
| 20:55.34 | Kueken | *p |
| 20:55.40 | Zolden | :) |
| 20:55.49 | MoonEater | Kueken |
| 20:55.52 | MoonEater | can i join? |
| 20:55.58 | Kueken | we are full |
| 20:56.02 | MoonEater | XD just bought it yesterday in a flash sale |
| 20:56.06 | MoonEater | u bish! |
| 20:56.11 | MoonEater | cost me 8$ |
| 20:56.27 | Zolden | 8 is boobs number |
| 20:59.29 | MoonEater | noods |
| 21:11.57 | Zolden | 3 is alos boobs numbers, just another projection |
| 21:12.10 | MoonEater | nods |
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| 21:31.36 | MoonEater | Zolden |
| 21:31.46 | MoonEater | i have a modle thats on the wrong level |
| 21:31.57 | MoonEater | and it wont snap to proper level |
| 21:32.02 | MoonEater | and i cant adjsut hight |
| 21:32.10 | MoonEater | im looking though the actor right now for somthing |
| 21:32.14 | MoonEater | can u help? |
| 21:32.21 | Zolden | what do you mean under level? |
| 21:32.28 | MoonEater | cliff level |
| 21:32.57 | Zolden | can you simply set something at unit's height? |
| 21:33.05 | MoonEater | no field in properties |
| 21:33.32 | Zolden | i remember units have "height" property |
| 21:33.43 | Zolden | anyway, I'm out of time |
| 21:34.06 | Zolden | not like i have teleported to another universe where there is no time |
| 21:34.23 | MoonEater | they do |
| 21:34.26 | MoonEater | but not all |
| 21:34.30 | MoonEater | marines dont have it |
| 21:34.35 | MoonEater | but doodads do |
| 21:34.58 | Zolden | use local offset site operation for unit's actor maybe |
| 21:35.06 | Zolden | and move it via Z so it fit cliff level |
| 21:35.14 | Zolden | via -> along |
| 21:35.21 | Zolden | fucking tricky english |
| 21:35.25 | Zolden | who invented it |
| 21:51.51 | MoonEater | cant find it :/ |
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| 22:03.50 | Bounty | Pew |
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| 23:49.27 | Fate__ | holly crap noone jions my fucking map |
| 23:49.37 | Fate__ | where are all the players |
| 23:53.42 | MoonEater | which server? |
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