| 00:01.40 | Repo | New asset: Star Trek units - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/star-trek-units/ |
| 00:01.40 | Repo | New asset: Reiter - http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/reiter/ |
| 00:03.21 | egod | yes ahli |
| 00:04.14 | Fate | someone know how to make the yagda modell dissapair after the unit dies? |
| 00:04.27 | Ahli | so, I know 2 french canadians :> |
| 00:06.15 | egod | meh |
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| 00:40.00 | DeadZergling | aha, found out who to blame for my coworkers being so hard to understand: http://cheezburger.com/7643358208 |
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| 03:02.18 | Guest57353 | guys how do I access and the cool new hots units? |
| 03:02.40 | Guest57353 | are they in hots campaign? |
| 03:07.01 | Ahli_ | yes |
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| 03:10.30 | Kueken | Asharki |
| 03:19.14 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
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| 03:26.53 | Guest57353 | Ahli_, swarm campaign of swarm story? |
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| 04:15.19 | Lepton | guys have you ever heard of a dragon unit? |
| 04:15.25 | Lepton | ive seen it in a map but cant find it in the editor |
| 04:15.31 | Lepton | it was called energy dragon |
| 04:15.43 | Lepton | metalisk grey dragon |
| 04:15.49 | Lepton | metalic* |
| 04:17.29 | Lepton | JademusSreg, A1win Dustin! i know one of you is here! |
| 04:18.59 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 04:19.21 | JademusSreg | Why would there be a dragon asset? |
| 04:20.09 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 04:24.04 | Lepton | JademusSreg, |
| 04:24.17 | Lepton | i got screenshot |
| 04:24.19 | Lepton | if you want |
| 04:24.28 | Lepton | another called onyx |
| 04:24.37 | JademusSreg | Sure, though I'm about to be offline. |
| 04:24.47 | JademusSreg | Would be happy to see a dragon. |
| 04:27.03 | Lepton | k |
| 04:27.07 | Lepton | give me 30 sec |
| 04:27.20 | JademusSreg | I expect it's a port of a WoW model. |
| 04:27.50 | JademusSreg | Unless it was seen in a Blizzard map, that is. |
| 04:27.59 | Lepton | they as rly badass |
| 04:28.08 | Lepton | on the first pic hes in the bottom |
| 04:28.13 | Lepton | on the ground |
| 04:28.20 | Lepton | the otehr dragon on the second pic is even cooler |
| 04:28.25 | Lepton | http://imgur.com/eF2NKhM,P34eJSC |
| 04:28.49 | Lepton | shit |
| 04:28.50 | Lepton | wrong one |
| 04:28.51 | Lepton | 1 sec |
| 04:30.50 | Lepton | JademusSreg, |
| 04:30.51 | Lepton | here |
| 04:31.38 | Lepton | http://imgur.com/qoX2i0w |
| 04:33.22 | JademusSreg | Almost certainly a WoW model. |
| 04:35.14 | Lepton | oh i see |
| 04:35.15 | Lepton | thanks |
| 04:38.03 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure I found a source. |
| 04:38.08 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/art-assets/8347-wow-model-pack-requests/#p1 |
| 04:44.22 | Lepton | nice |
| 04:44.23 | Lepton | tks |
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| 05:28.29 | MoonEater | hihi |
| 05:46.06 | Lepton | HI! |
| 05:46.08 | Lepton | whats up MoonEater |
| 06:09.27 | MoonEater | sorry was |
| 06:09.30 | MoonEater | at store |
| 06:09.31 | MoonEater | im back |
| 06:09.32 | MoonEater | XD |
| 06:09.39 | MoonEater | Lepton |
| 06:09.54 | Lepton | hihi |
| 06:10.21 | Lepton | while you're here |
| 06:10.33 | Lepton | any idea if its easy or not to add a texture to a texture set? |
| 06:11.24 | MoonEater | uh no idea |
| 06:11.29 | MoonEater | its out of my expertiese |
| 06:11.52 | Lepton | gotcha |
| 06:12.02 | MoonEater | uh |
| 06:12.14 | MoonEater | i wished i messed with them |
| 06:19.13 | Lepton | i just cant find anything that says to which texture set they belong |
| 06:19.16 | Lepton | in the data |
| 06:19.19 | ThunderLord_Bada | is there a reason that i cannot set a rotation on a nine-slice dialog item image? |
| 06:19.30 | Lepton | so I thought maybe it was just whatever the first word of their name is |
| 06:19.31 | Lepton | but nope |
| 06:19.59 | Lepton | no idea ThunderLord_Bada sorry |
| 06:20.44 | MoonEater | dialog images do they have rotation? |
| 06:21.50 | ThunderLord_Bada | yeah |
| 06:22.05 | ThunderLord_Bada | better question, where the heck did the _Bada come from in my name XD |
| 06:23.44 | ThunderLord | dialog item images can have transparency too right? |
| 06:41.28 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 06:41.31 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 06:48.41 | JademusSreg | Lep, custom texture or merely a different standard texture? |
| 06:48.56 | JademusSreg | Also, if this is about letters, use splats. |
| 06:49.32 | Lepton | JademusSreg, merely a different standard texture |
| 06:49.48 | JademusSreg | Ah, that's simple. |
| 06:51.17 | Lepton | go on.. |
| 06:51.46 | Lepton | btw I imported the WoW models |
| 06:51.52 | JademusSreg | Gotta give me time to write it all out, remember? |
| 06:52.11 | Lepton | its been |
| 06:52.16 | Lepton | NEARLY 2 WHOLE MIONUTES |
| 06:52.27 | Lepton | :D |
| 06:52.40 | Lepton | btw I imported the WoW models |
| 06:52.45 | Lepton | and followed the instructions |
| 06:52.53 | Lepton | but how do i actually use the units? |
| 06:55.07 | JademusSreg | Data module. Go to the terrain texture set data tab, make a new entry or use whichever (if you insist on modifying standard terrain sets, can't stop ya, but it's not preferable), access field Blend textures, pulls up a field array modal dialog with the current terrain textures on the right and all terrain texture entries on the left, and from there you can add, remove, or replace terrain |
| 06:55.08 | JademusSreg | textures. |
| 06:55.39 | JademusSreg | As for the models, you'd need to create all the supporting data; importing the asset alone doesn't make a unit. |
| 06:55.58 | Lepton | ah |
| 06:56.02 | Lepton | so its just models? |
| 06:56.57 | Lepton | trying the texture thing. |
| 07:00.47 | JademusSreg | You imported the model asset. Keep in mind, terminology counts when discussing technical topics, and the editor is fairly technical. Assets are shit like models, textures, sounds, any kind of media. Media by itself doesn't do anything, data is needed to make use of them in game. |
| 07:01.14 | Lepton | ah i see |
| 07:01.20 | Lepton | is there a way to import the whole unit? |
| 07:01.39 | Kueken | nope |
| 07:01.41 | JademusSreg | The game doesn't work like that. |
| 07:01.47 | Lepton | ah kk |
| 07:01.49 | Lepton | tks |
| 07:02.10 | Lepton | i cant find blend textres btw |
| 07:02.22 | Kueken | you will need to create a new unit for the model and adjust the unit values based on the model parameters |
| 07:02.40 | Lepton | yeah but does it have stuff such as atatck animation |
| 07:02.52 | Lepton | or do i have to use some from other unitsA |
| 07:03.03 | JademusSreg | New data entries for Model, Actor, and Unit, yep. |
| 07:03.05 | JademusSreg | Fun stuff. |
| 07:03.10 | Lepton | ah k] |
| 07:03.13 | Kueken | if the model has an attack animation, you can make the actor use it |
| 07:03.27 | Lepton | will try |
| 07:04.05 | Lepton | btw |
| 07:04.10 | Lepton | if you guys have 30 seconds |
| 07:04.21 | Lepton | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.59 | Lepton | this should set variable ELO this game to whatever number was in spot 13 to 16 in the ebntered chat string right? |
| 07:05.17 | Kueken | print the relevant stuff |
| 07:05.27 | Lepton | so if the chat string was -setelo red 1000 |
| 07:05.31 | Lepton | it will be 1000 |
| 07:05.36 | Lepton | right? |
| 07:05.42 | Lepton | cause it doesnt work >< |
| 07:05.59 | Kueken | text messages are your friend |
| 07:06.16 | Kueken | print your entered chat string, the substring and anything relevant |
| 07:06.25 | Lepton | the event is player types chat message |
| 07:06.51 | Lepton | ok just wanted to know if i was getting what the function is supposed to do |
| 07:07.33 | JademusSreg | Also helps to use StringWord. |
| 07:08.27 | Lepton | whats that JademusSreg ? |
| 07:08.56 | JademusSreg | A galaxy script native. There's a GUI function for it, too. |
| 07:10.28 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 07:13.46 | Lepton | ok theres "matched" chat string and "entered" chat strign |
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| 07:14.46 | Lepton | JademusSreg, word of string is so much better thans |
| 07:16.59 | DeadZergling | heh, nearly forgot how fun the data editor could be |
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| 07:37.27 | DeadZergling | ah, revisiting and upgrading a weapon I made a year ago |
| 07:37.30 | DeadZergling | great fun, lol |
| 07:37.57 | Lepton | lol |
| 07:38.19 | Lepton | guys |
| 07:38.22 | Lepton | go check out |
| 07:38.28 | Lepton | SM - Mutalisk |
| 07:38.34 | Lepton | character unit |
| 07:38.40 | Lepton | so fuckign badass |
| 07:38.42 | Lepton | can he move? |
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| 07:47.26 | DeadZergling | Hi Zolden, in danger of losing your bottom spot with names like that |
| 07:50.29 | Zolden | fickers getting closer |
| 07:50.52 | Zolden | s/fickers/fuckers/ |
| 07:51.06 | Zolden | but they won't get me |
| 07:52.01 | DeadZergling | heh wow, renaming shit in data sucks |
| 07:52.14 | Zolden | why |
| 07:52.14 | DeadZergling | may just get really lazy and only rename the stuff the user sees :P |
| 07:52.35 | Zolden | it's your system of names |
| 07:52.41 | DeadZergling | oh, adding about 13 weapons to my project |
| 07:53.05 | DeadZergling | quite a lot of renaming to be done |
| 07:55.08 | DeadZergling | keep finding fragments of crap from poor copy paste techniques too |
| 07:55.12 | DeadZergling | so have to clean that up as i go too |
| 07:55.27 | DeadZergling | doesn't hurt anything, but 500 useless lines is 500 useless lines |
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| 07:56.25 | Lepton | Zolden, any idea if the sm-mutalisk character can move? |
| 07:57.46 | Zolden | Lepton never tried to use those models |
| 07:58.24 | Zolden | DeadZergling mechanical createing and linking alot of similar data entries is a bitch |
| 07:58.30 | Lepton | its the most awesome flying hting ive ever seen |
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| 08:11.44 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmmm, looking at 1 of the weapons I need to make.... |
| 08:11.48 | DeadZergling | immediately makes me think, fuck this |
| 08:15.11 | Lepton | hahaha |
| 08:15.23 | Lepton | im almost done making that wow unit |
| 08:15.34 | Lepton | but when I test map the unit has no texture :( |
| 08:16.07 | G0A | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw8XQ3vdW_4 |
| 08:16.09 | Kueken | does the texture show up in editor? |
| 08:16.12 | DeadZergling | at least the weapon will be fairly awesome when finished |
| 08:16.25 | Lepton | Kueken, yes |
| 08:16.35 | Lepton | when I put the unit in terrain editor it shows up |
| 08:16.43 | DeadZergling | in my map, sheep attack by charging you, knockbacks. Decided I'd let the Knight class have a ram head as a weapon. |
| 08:17.23 | Lepton | Kueken, I added the .m3 to the model |
| 08:18.03 | Lepton | I didnt find a spot to put the .tga though |
| 08:18.10 | Lepton | should I have put it somewhere? |
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| 08:21.42 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 08:24.44 | DeadZergling | Hello Jade |
| 08:24.52 | JademusSreg | Hi thar Deadz. |
| 08:26.32 | DeadZergling | what you up to? |
| 08:28.55 | JademusSreg | Installed some fresh software, episoding series binge, programming a python bot, designing+scripting a vehicle driving system for Bounty. |
| 08:29.01 | JademusSreg | *episodic |
| 08:29.37 | DeadZergling | he ever decide on a name? |
| 08:29.59 | JademusSreg | I name so many things, it's difficult to know to what you refer. |
| 08:30.50 | DeadZergling | Bounty, wanting some kind of Soviet name |
| 08:32.11 | JademusSreg | Oh, dunno. I help him with tech, argue against silly design choices, provide input, and generally antagonize him, but he makes his own decisions, so I wouldn't know. |
| 08:32.15 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 08:34.06 | DeadZergling | he can be fun to antagonize |
| 08:34.41 | DeadZergling | Just got finished with the JoJo anime, Joseph Joestar is such an awesome anti-hero |
| 08:34.49 | DeadZergling | completely cracked up when he picked on the wild life |
| 08:36.52 | Zolden | about sovietish stuff he could ask me |
| 08:38.25 | Zolden | JademusSreg why do you need a python bot? |
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| 08:39.39 | DeadZergling | purl isn't annoying enough, obviousl |
| 08:39.44 | DeadZergling | that must be why |
| 08:41.06 | Zolden | spanish programmers creating a bot of 14 y.0. girl to detect internet pedophiles |
| 08:41.55 | DeadZergling | heh, wouldn't be too hard to draw them in |
| 08:42.23 | DeadZergling | Ai yai yai, having CC at 14 makes me feel uncomfortable around men, especially older ones |
| 08:42.40 | DeadZergling | if only one would take the time to help me build up my confidence relating to them, 20 + |
| 08:42.51 | Kueken | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KyMhpzNNlM |
| 08:45.55 | Zolden | :)) |
| 08:48.29 | DeadZergling | can be funny, not so funny when idiot kids let themselves get trafficked though |
| 08:50.21 | DeadZergling | issues with your parents? Don't worry, some cool guy in California will fly you down to escape from it all |
| 08:50.27 | DeadZergling | Sister? Sure she can come to. |
| 08:50.49 | JademusSreg | Zol, care to make a splat supporting 5 or 6 material types? Diffuse, specular, emissive, normal, displacement? For reference, the blood splats support displacement or height or whatever it's called. |
| 08:50.58 | JademusSreg | *blood splat doodads |
| 08:52.15 | Zolden | JademusSreg ok |
| 08:52.34 | JademusSreg | And several splats are known to support emissive, like the protoss power lines. |
| 08:53.05 | JademusSreg | Terran tarmac should support spec and/or normals. |
| 08:54.01 | Zolden | are blood splats transparent to support displacement? |
| 08:54.06 | Zolden | or you mean height? |
| 08:54.12 | Zolden | i never tried height map |
| 08:54.26 | Zolden | and don't know what and how it does |
| 08:54.50 | JademusSreg | If figure they are the same, not sure of the correct term. |
| 08:56.02 | Zolden | as I remember, height is a layer of standart material, and displacement is a kind of material |
| 08:56.20 | Zolden | waht the first do i don't know, but the second one refracts |
| 08:56.31 | JademusSreg | In that case, definitely height. |
| 08:57.07 | Zolden | and what and how does it do? |
| 08:57.38 | Zolden | do you mind if i create it not right now, but a bit later? |
| 08:57.53 | JademusSreg | Sort of like normals, but it uses a greyscale texture to deform the surface to which it is applied. |
| 08:57.59 | JademusSreg | And yeah, no rush. |
| 08:58.10 | JademusSreg | Just a good thing to have on hand. |
| 08:58.57 | Zolden | if it can pop/push the profile of the surface, it would be awesome |
| 08:59.06 | Zolden | or at least make shadows |
| 08:59.06 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 08:59.43 | JademusSreg | It's used in the building explosion splats, blood splat doodads, and maybe a few others. |
| 08:59.50 | Zolden | strange, why don't I see it frequently in units materials |
| 09:00.40 | JademusSreg | Probably because excess deformation and perspectives can cause visual artifacts. |
| 09:02.07 | JademusSreg | Oh, and it's used in the creep splats for infestation-related models. |
| 09:02.35 | JademusSreg | So the model attachments with tentacles and shit, and also the cacooned civs. |
| 09:04.17 | JademusSreg | Anyway, the greyscale color channel determines the extent of the deformation while the alpha channel determines the blend. |
| 09:04.35 | JademusSreg | From what I'm been able to discern, at least. |
| 09:05.05 | Zolden | ok, i'll examine it |
| 09:05.27 | JademusSreg | *cocooned hah |
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| 09:12.17 | Lepton | Kueken, about that texture thing |
| 09:12.23 | Lepton | you think you hav an idea whats wrontg? |
| 09:12.40 | Kueken | the model having no texture issue? |
| 09:13.04 | Kueken | not sure, if you can see textures in the editor, that means you have correctly imported them |
| 09:14.00 | Kueken | not sure why they would be modified ingame, did you try anything regarding textures, maybe texture select by id messages or something? |
| 09:17.34 | Lepton | Kueken, no i didnt touch any texture |
| 09:17.47 | Lepton | there ws a .m3 file |
| 09:17.52 | Lepton | which i put in the model |
| 09:17.53 | Kueken | how did you set up your unit? |
| 09:18.01 | Lepton | there are .tga files though |
| 09:18.05 | Lepton | which idk what to do with |
| 09:18.09 | Lepton | could it be the issue? |
| 09:18.15 | Lepton | i made new unit |
| 09:18.20 | Lepton | made new actor |
| 09:18.25 | Lepton | made new model |
| 09:18.28 | Kueken | .tga is an image format, so they could be the textures |
| 09:18.29 | Lepton | that i put in the actor |
| 09:18.33 | Lepton | then put the actor in the unit |
| 09:18.43 | Lepton | yea tahts what i thought |
| 09:18.44 | Lepton | but |
| 09:18.52 | Lepton | how would I unit them with the model? |
| 09:18.57 | Kueken | but you wouldn't be able to see the model correctly in the editor, if they are required and you didn't import them |
| 09:19.07 | Lepton | and if its the case why would the textures show right in the terrain editor |
| 09:19.28 | Kueken | usually, textures are already linked to the model by file path |
| 09:19.39 | Kueken | look up your model in the cutscene editor |
| 09:20.05 | Lepton | i am |
| 09:20.09 | Lepton | what should i look for? |
| 09:20.24 | Kueken | do you see it? |
| 09:20.27 | Lepton | yup |
| 09:20.45 | Kueken | k, then right-click on it and select Model Data |
| 09:21.26 | Lepton | k |
| 09:21.32 | Kueken | found it? |
| 09:21.51 | Kueken | there should be a folder called Materials |
| 09:21.55 | Kueken | or something |
| 09:22.16 | Kueken | which holds all the required texture's file paths |
| 09:22.22 | Lepton | well |
| 09:22.28 | Lepton | where do i right click exactly? |
| 09:22.48 | Kueken | you create an instance of the model by double-clicking it in the list |
| 09:22.54 | Kueken | it will be placed on the terrain |
| 09:23.05 | Kueken | then you right-click that model on the terrain |
| 09:23.46 | Kueken | (the terrain in the cutscene editor that is, your actual map's terrain will be unaffected |
| 09:23.50 | Kueken | ) |
| 09:24.04 | Lepton | i dont see any terrain in cutscene |
| 09:24.55 | Kueken | you can also look at the bottom left |
| 09:25.05 | Kueken | any instance of the model should show up there |
| 09:25.22 | Kueken | with an added Animation Layer |
| 09:25.34 | Lepton | yea i see it move and stuff |
| 09:25.36 | Lepton | in the middle |
| 09:25.42 | Kueken | you can right-click there too |
| 09:25.56 | Lepton | ok |
| 09:25.57 | Lepton | got it |
| 09:25.57 | Kueken | or just press shift+d |
| 09:26.00 | Kueken | k |
| 09:26.06 | Kueken | see the Materials folder? |
| 09:26.08 | Lepton | so |
| 09:26.10 | Lepton | theres |
| 09:26.12 | Lepton | basic info |
| 09:26.15 | Lepton | animation sequence |
| 09:26.17 | Lepton | geometry |
| 09:26.20 | Lepton | materials |
| 09:26.25 | Lepton | attachment points |
| 09:26.26 | Lepton | bones |
| 09:26.28 | Kueken | yes |
| 09:26.31 | Lepton | effects |
| 09:26.36 | Lepton | material? |
| 09:26.36 | Kueken | open up materials |
| 09:26.58 | Kueken | it probably has multiple subfolders |
| 09:26.59 | Lepton | it has |
| 09:27.02 | Lepton | some .tga files |
| 09:27.08 | Lepton | and a buch of other stuff |
| 09:27.11 | Kueken | ok |
| 09:27.31 | Kueken | all the blend mode, flags etc are not important |
| 09:27.38 | Kueken | the textures should be at the top |
| 09:27.48 | Kueken | all .tga or .dds files |
| 09:28.21 | Kueken | do they match the tgas that came with the model? |
| 09:28.28 | Kueken | I would guess so, right? |
| 09:28.28 | Lepton | model type foliage or generic, i picked generic is that good? |
| 09:28.39 | Kueken | generic is good |
| 09:28.42 | Lepton | yeah they do |
| 09:28.48 | Kueken | okay |
| 09:29.04 | Kueken | so you need to import those textures |
| 09:29.17 | Kueken | but we don't know the file path yet |
| 09:29.24 | Lepton | i thought I already did |
| 09:29.26 | Lepton | import them |
| 09:29.38 | Lepton | you mean import them into the model? |
| 09:29.44 | Kueken | in the editor |
| 09:29.48 | Kueken | you did already? |
| 09:29.57 | Kueken | maybe the wrong file path |
| 09:30.21 | Lepton | yeah i got 3 .tga files |
| 09:30.24 | Kueken | most models need the textures to be in the folder "Assets/Textures/" |
| 09:30.26 | Lepton | i put them at the same place |
| 09:30.30 | Lepton | as the two .m3 files |
| 09:30.49 | Lepton | oh |
| 09:30.52 | Lepton | i put everything in |
| 09:30.52 | Kueken | you can look up the path by opening the models with a text editor |
| 09:30.55 | Lepton | assets/units |
| 09:31.12 | Kueken | you will see a bunch of gibberish |
| 09:31.30 | Kueken | the only readable lines will be the file paths |
| 09:31.40 | Kueken | so search the document for .tga |
| 09:31.46 | Lepton | ok |
| 09:33.38 | Lepton | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.04 | Lepton | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.08 | Lepton | :L |
| 09:34.09 | Kueken | okay |
| 09:34.13 | Zolden | hmm, can't test my map, stuck on "connecting to streaming server" bullshit |
| 09:34.19 | Kueken | so there is no specified file path |
| 09:34.39 | Kueken | that means they need to be either in the same folder as the model |
| 09:34.44 | Kueken | which you already tried |
| 09:34.50 | Lepton | well |
| 09:34.53 | Kueken | or in the root directory |
| 09:35.02 | Lepton | i put it in the same folder in the import editor |
| 09:35.14 | Kueken | yes, that is correct |
| 09:35.23 | Kueken | so |
| 09:35.39 | Lepton | ill try to move to root? |
| 09:35.41 | Kueken | if that didn't work, the file path is absolute, so the texture have to be in root |
| 09:35.50 | Lepton | k |
| 09:35.52 | Lepton | let me try |
| 09:35.55 | Lepton | i have to save right? |
| 09:35.59 | Kueken | the model can stay where it is, though |
| 09:36.01 | Kueken | yes |
| 09:36.09 | Lepton | i just put everything in root |
| 09:36.17 | Lepton | doesnt matter? |
| 09:36.24 | Kueken | shouldn't |
| 09:37.16 | Lepton | welp |
| 09:37.24 | Lepton | now i see beach balls huehuehue |
| 09:37.55 | Kueken | you need to adjust the model object in data, if you moved the model file |
| 09:39.04 | Lepton | i moved it back |
| 09:39.08 | Lepton | and still beach balls |
| 09:39.09 | Lepton | lol |
| 09:39.23 | Kueken | in the editor, or ingame too? |
| 09:39.44 | Lepton | just in game |
| 09:40.41 | Lepton | ok im changing the directory |
| 09:40.43 | Lepton | from model |
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| 09:41.47 | Fate | hey all, i need a maptester on NA pls |
| 09:41.52 | Lepton | everythign in root |
| 09:42.16 | Lepton | KUEKEN! |
| 09:42.19 | Lepton | it works!! |
| 09:42.24 | Lepton | thanks so much |
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| 09:44.31 | Fate | come on pls one maptest wont take longer than 20 mins |
| 09:45.35 | Lepton | fate |
| 09:45.43 | Lepton | can you wait till tomorrow? |
| 09:45.50 | Fate | XD no |
| 09:46.21 | Lepton | ok |
| 09:46.22 | Lepton | give me |
| 09:46.24 | Lepton | 5 minuts |
| 09:47.00 | Fate | okey |
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| 09:53.20 | Lepton | ok |
| 09:53.22 | Lepton | lets go |
| 09:53.23 | Lepton | Fate, |
| 09:53.29 | Fate | :) |
| 09:53.29 | Lepton | channel fate |
| 09:53.38 | Fate | letz meet in arcade channel |
| 09:54.29 | Lepton | wtf is arcade channel |
| 09:54.39 | Fate | Uhm^^^ |
| 09:54.44 | Fate | u know |
| 09:54.52 | Fate | the chatt channel in game |
| 09:55.07 | Ahli_ | main bnet screen, center right side has a text field. type arcade and press enter |
| 10:06.44 | Fate | okey i removed the units :) |
| 10:06.49 | Fate | uploading |
| 10:24.06 | Zolden | Kueken do you have any ideas about why my Action actor for unit's self-launch plays impact effects immediately at launch instead of waiting for impact? |
| 10:24.40 | Kueken | not set up correctly, most likely |
| 10:24.49 | Kueken | did you mess with the events? |
| 10:24.57 | Zolden | nope |
| 10:25.07 | Kueken | so events field is still grey |
| 10:25.12 | Zolden | yea |
| 10:25.14 | Kueken | k |
| 10:25.39 | Kueken | and your launch and impact effect tokens hold the correct effects |
| 10:25.48 | Zolden | but they have my effects instead of boguys |
| 10:25.59 | Kueken | yes |
| 10:26.13 | Kueken | ok, pastebin the xml data |
| 10:26.14 | Zolden | yea, tokens did their job |
| 10:26.35 | Kueken | also, its purely visual, right? |
| 10:26.39 | DeadZergling | remember why I put off doing the data work on items each and every item I put in, lol |
| 10:29.16 | Zolden | Kueken http://pastebin.com/f3FCKCZx |
| 10:29.41 | Zolden | i only removed bullshit entries like damage map or beam model that mean nothing in this case |
| 10:30.17 | Zolden | Kueken it's purely visual on actor side |
| 10:30.36 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 10:30.38 | Zolden | the abil is: unit jumps and deals damage |
| 10:30.45 | Kueken | so the impact effect triggers at the correct time and location |
| 10:31.06 | Kueken | try to use an ammo unit, see if it changes anything |
| 10:33.03 | Zolden | Kueken impact effects happens at correct location, but simultaneously with the launch effects, they don't wait the unit arrival |
| 10:33.30 | Kueken | I mean the actual effect, not the actor |
| 10:33.58 | Zolden | lemme check |
| 10:35.18 | Zolden | yes, the damage effect happens at unit arrival |
| 10:36.24 | Zolden | trying ammo unit |
| 10:37.02 | Zolden | lol |
| 10:37.24 | Zolden | adding ammo unit made unit copy itself on each jump |
| 10:38.26 | JademusSreg | What sort of jump is this? |
| 10:39.04 | JademusSreg | Offensive aoe, movement, or both? |
| 10:39.05 | Zolden | just launch itself |
| 10:39.07 | Kueken | dont use the unit as ammo unit |
| 10:39.21 | Kueken | use a proper one, like the marauder missile |
| 10:39.41 | Zolden | unit performs a launch effect, rapidly moves to the target and dealing damage as impact effect |
| 10:39.48 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 10:40.03 | JademusSreg | Revert impact and launch tokens. |
| 10:40.17 | JademusSreg | For the attack token, use the impact effect. |
| 10:41.20 | Zolden | Kueken why do I need to use something else as ammo unit? unit launches itself, and has none as ammo unit |
| 10:41.23 | JademusSreg | Use this as your reference: https://pastee.org/8zwvj |
| 10:41.40 | Zolden | JademusSreg ok, lemme try |
| 10:41.51 | Kueken | Zolden: I know, its just a test, if it has an influence |
| 10:42.10 | JademusSreg | Specifically the ImpactAttachQuery and optionally ShieldFlashType. |
| 10:42.12 | Kueken | I usually don't use action actors for jump abilities |
| 10:42.35 | Kueken | so there might be some interactions between action actors and launching the unit itself |
| 10:42.37 | JademusSreg | Yes, you only need the action actor for visuals and audio. |
| 10:42.58 | Zolden | Kueken I'm afraid it will create a missile, but won't remove it, because death type is none... but i'll try |
| 10:43.18 | Kueken | just want to eliminate possible error sources |
| 10:43.59 | JademusSreg | Properly configured, the launch will use the source unit. |
| 10:45.19 | Kueken | yes, but I am not sure, if the action actor must be configured differently, compared to a standard missile launch |
| 10:45.32 | JademusSreg | Many jumps don't use action actors at all. |
| 10:46.04 | JademusSreg | I checked my reference files to confirm my intuition. |
| 10:47.22 | Zolden | I used to not use action actors for jumps, jsut created model/sound actors for each stage, but now i decided to try |
| 10:48.11 | Zolden | JademusSreg using impact effect as attack token made it play the impact at unit arrival, but looks like it also plays launch there too |
| 10:48.43 | Zolden | looks like i need to manually remove some events |
| 10:49.14 | Kueken | did you try to use a projectile now? |
| 10:51.10 | maltenp | anyone particpating in the TL map jam in a few hours? :) |
| 10:51.11 | Fate | ahh that was some nice test |
| 10:51.39 | Fate | i am totaly happy with that units so far |
| 10:51.43 | Fate | ;) |
| 10:52.06 | DeadZergling | the what? |
| 10:52.07 | Fate | feels nice to finlay see you work in action |
| 10:53.10 | Zolden | Kueken not yet (still think it's actor issue, and will try if none of actor related attempts won't bring any success) |
| 10:53.41 | Kueken | its not supposed to be in the final version of the actor, just determining the error |
| 10:54.27 | maltenp | the map jam. 2 randomly chosen topics come up for a meleemap and the idea is to deliver a map within 24 hours. the map that best meet the given topics win. topics can be anything from "3 player map" to "no ramps" etc etc |
| 10:55.02 | DeadZergling | ah, well I almost never melee, and I hate terraining |
| 10:55.06 | maltenp | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420293 |
| 10:55.08 | DeadZergling | so guess that rules me out |
| 10:55.35 | JademusSreg | Naw, don't remove events, Zol. |
| 10:56.05 | maltenp | hehe yeah terrains are hard |
| 10:56.46 | DeadZergling | hard not to go find someone to kill putting these damn items in too |
| 10:57.14 | JademusSreg | Specifically, when you set the tokens to "(None)" instead of reverting them (reverting tokens probably needs to be done though xml), it may react poorly with the actor event token expressions. |
| 10:58.15 | JademusSreg | In the xml, delete the attributes for the effect tokens located in the opening tag. |
| 10:59.11 | Zolden | JademusSreg I just recreated the actor in order to revert tokens :) |
| 10:59.16 | JademusSreg | Hahaha. |
| 10:59.43 | Zolden | and simply adding the impact effect as attack token makes it play both attack and impact at impact moment/location |
| 11:00.07 | JademusSreg | I can look over xml again, this time I'll pastee back a fixed version. |
| 11:02.29 | Kueken | if you don't get it to work, I might try it later on |
| 11:02.49 | Zolden | Kueken using missile as ammo unit makes the unit launch that missile instead of launching itself |
| 11:03.01 | Kueken | as expected |
| 11:03.08 | Kueken | does it fix the issue at hand? |
| 11:03.31 | Zolden | Kueken If I won't get it to work, I will use one shot model/sound actors instead of action actor |
| 11:03.59 | JademusSreg | That's what's used for many leap/jump attacks, Zol. |
| 11:04.58 | Zolden | Kueken no, it kept impact effects on launch |
| 11:05.14 | JademusSreg | But really, let me lay hands on the xml and lo it shall be healed. |
| 11:05.15 | Kueken | thats good news :) |
| 11:05.26 | Zolden | JademusSreg i believe it's still doable with action actor |
| 11:08.13 | Fate | someone knows how to make a units be selected be the "select all warpgates" button? |
| 11:09.03 | Ahli_ | I fail to make a tooltip that stays on a specific position :X |
| 11:09.20 | JademusSreg | It is, that's why I demand to fix it for you, Zol. |
| 11:09.49 | JademusSreg | Ahli, what element are you using? |
| 11:10.02 | JademusSreg | Fate, yes. |
| 11:10.23 | Fate | would you tell me? :) |
| 11:11.03 | JademusSreg | Opening a demo map. |
| 11:11.22 | Kueken | Zolden: Did you set the Art: Missile field of the action actor to your unit actor? |
| 11:12.23 | Zolden | Kueken yes, and it doesn't affect it |
| 11:13.03 | Ahli_ | JademusSreg: http://pastebin.com/D2LYMjrD |
| 11:13.40 | JademusSreg | Fate, iirc, a Warp Train ability adds it to the selection group. |
| 11:14.05 | Zolden | I've tried to only add the launch effect as launch token, and it plays impact effect at launch. Events has only this: Effect.myeffect.Start => at caster -> create |
| 11:14.52 | JademusSreg | Ahli, gotta look at my UI references to confirm my suspicion. |
| 11:15.38 | Fate | hty jade |
| 11:16.21 | Kueken | okay, Zolden |
| 11:16.27 | Kueken | I just tried it |
| 11:16.47 | Kueken | when I set the Art: Missile field to a wrong reference, the problem you mention happens |
| 11:16.56 | Kueken | when I set it to the correct one, its fixed |
| 11:17.07 | Kueken | double-checking |
| 11:18.16 | Kueken | doesn't work when launchin the unit |
| 11:18.34 | Kueken | but it does for a standard missile |
| 11:18.37 | Kueken | so |
| 11:19.26 | Kueken | the uunit is probably replaced by a different actor or something, when it is launched as a missile? |
| 11:19.29 | Kueken | not sure |
| 11:19.58 | Zolden | Kueken yes, it works for missiles |
| 11:22.25 | Kueken | I mean |
| 11:22.50 | Kueken | it is pretty save to assume the error is caused by a faulty reference in the Art: Missile field |
| 11:23.14 | Kueken | so we need to find the correct reference to use for the jump |
| 11:23.23 | Kueken | the unit actor itself doesn't work |
| 11:23.23 | Zolden | I agree |
| 11:23.45 | Kueken | currently trying several aliases and references, no luck so far |
| 11:27.39 | Kueken | hm |
| 11:27.44 | Kueken | nothing seems to work |
| 11:28.01 | Zolden | well, ok |
| 11:28.12 | Zolden | i'll just use action for launch effects |
| 11:28.20 | Zolden | and create couple more for impact |
| 11:28.26 | JademusSreg | Kueken, try type StandardTooltip. |
| 11:29.27 | Kueken | in the Art: Missile field? |
| 11:29.52 | JademusSreg | Shit, I mean Ahli, haha. |
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| 11:30.31 | JademusSreg | Ahli, change the type to StandardTooltip. |
| 11:30.33 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 11:30.38 | Kueken | I did it anyway |
| 11:30.40 | Kueken | guess what |
| 11:30.45 | Kueken | didn't work either |
| 11:30.53 | pirate | yo Kueken |
| 11:31.04 | pirate | JUST THE MAN I WAS LOOKING FOR |
| 11:31.16 | Kueken | hi |
| 11:31.23 | Kueken | so you assume I am a man? |
| 11:31.27 | pirate | I did |
| 11:32.00 | Kueken | anyway, what do you need? |
| 11:32.40 | pirate | info on the dynamic color changing for pieces of units |
| 11:32.58 | Zolden | lol |
| 11:33.01 | pirate | is that just team color and emissive layers in the texture? |
| 11:33.31 | Kueken | yes, thats the main part |
| 11:33.56 | Kueken | also some model editing is needed to get the correct blend type |
| 11:34.11 | DeadZergling | well data side of adding new weapons, now trigger side, be done! |
| 11:34.12 | Kueken | Zolden could tell you the specifics about that |
| 11:34.21 | DeadZergling | shit, seems I'll have to do the trigger side too |
| 11:34.39 | pirate | so it can only effect 2 color layers per texture |
| 11:34.47 | pirate | regardless it's pretty cool |
| 11:34.50 | Kueken | exactly |
| 11:35.00 | pirate | thanks |
| 11:38.34 | Ahli_ | jade, it fails to find the frame the anchor relates to :S |
| 11:38.49 | Ahli_ | this line:<Anchor side="Bottom" relative="$parent\$parent\BackgroundPlayerLeftStats\ResourcesLost" pos="Min" offset="0"/> |
| 11:44.38 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 11:45.58 | JademusSreg | Shouldn't that be / instead of \? |
| 11:46.36 | Ahli_ | ./ or \ didn't matter anytime before... |
| 11:47.31 | JademusSreg | Only mention it because "$parent\$parent" didn't get any hits from my layout reference. |
| 11:47.42 | JademusSreg | "$parent/$parent" did, though. |
| 11:47.53 | Zolden | Kueken remind me, what have I changed to make that work |
| 11:48.07 | Zolden | Team color add maybe? |
| 11:48.16 | Zolden | for emissive map |
| 11:48.21 | Kueken | blend type to Team Color Emissive Add |
| 11:48.34 | Kueken | and some magic involving 2 sets of emissive textures |
| 11:48.47 | Kueken | I didn't understand back then, so I have no idea |
| 11:48.56 | Zolden | I didn't understand eaither |
| 11:49.02 | Zolden | it's now changed in art tools a bit |
| 11:49.18 | Zolden | blend types of the materials have nothing to do with team color |
| 11:49.35 | Zolden | but we can set Team Color Add for each of the emissive layers |
| 11:49.59 | JademusSreg | Also, why the two parent tokens? According to the paste, they are on the same level. |
| 11:50.06 | Zolden | and probably emissive team color differs from the diffuse team color |
| 11:50.35 | Ahli_ | no, I'm trying to anchor it to the other player's label |
| 11:50.50 | Zolden | and emissive map needed to be a mask for the emissive team color |
| 11:51.12 | Zolden | Kueken how did you adress the two team colors to change them independently? |
| 11:51.26 | JademusSreg | How would that be apparent from the paste? =D |
| 11:51.31 | Kueken | the set team color actor message supports diffuse and emissive changes separately |
| 11:51.52 | Zolden | oh, this explains |
| 11:51.55 | Ahli_ | ^^ |
| 11:52.00 | Zolden | so, that's it, pirate |
| 11:52.38 | Zolden | you need to have team color add as emissive blend type, and a texture at emissive map that would work as a mask |
| 11:54.36 | JademusSreg | Yeah, insufficient information, Ahli. |
| 11:55.23 | pirate | cool cool |
| 11:55.52 | Zolden | pirate waht model do you want to use for this? |
| 11:56.14 | pirate | potentially quite a few, down the road |
| 11:57.32 | pirate | bonus question = if actors with team colors are attached to a unit, do they inherit team color messages? |
| 11:58.03 | Kueken | yes |
| 11:58.16 | pirate | that's exciting |
| 11:58.16 | Kueken | they should at least |
| 11:58.42 | Kueken | and if not for some reason, you can add an alias to your attached models and send the message to the alias as well |
| 11:59.09 | Kueken | so you don't have to individually target each attachment |
| 11:59.28 | pirate | yeah |
| 11:59.30 | Kueken | but I am pretty sure inheriting works so nvm |
| 11:59.55 | pirate | this will lead to cool things |
| 12:01.11 | Zolden | pirate what things? |
| 12:01.22 | Zolden | what are you creaing overthere? |
| 12:01.38 | pirate | a massive game |
| 12:01.45 | Ahli_ | after making the first tooltip to a standardtooltip, both tooltips disappear... before they were appearing both (and the second one was a standard tooltip) :X |
| 12:02.46 | pirate | but what I'm getting at here- is the idea of attaching armor models to hero units that can be further customized with color swapping without adding too many textures or models to the mod |
| 12:05.31 | Zolden | pirate instead of team colors, the models could have different animations, which would simply change the shape of the armor to pretend it's something more and more upgraded |
| 12:05.34 | Ahli_ | after reverting the first tooltip again, both are working |
| 12:06.07 | pirate | why not both? |
| 12:06.30 | Zolden | pirate both are ok |
| 12:06.45 | pirate | :p |
| 12:06.49 | Zolden | i just want to say that shape is more convincing than color |
| 12:06.53 | pirate | well yes |
| 12:07.27 | pirate | but I planned on using both (just swapping out different attached models rather than different animations) |
| 12:08.49 | pirate | Zolden you wanna help me make a mock up of this someday soonish :D |
| 12:09.06 | Zolden | yea |
| 12:09.26 | pirate | awesome |
| 12:09.41 | Zolden | but I leave city at monday for a couple of weeks |
| 12:10.32 | pirate | kk |
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| 12:14.55 | JademusSreg | Hilarious. |
| 12:19.48 | Ahli_ | the AI is odd... ZvZ, one attacks, looses army, defender waits despite being maxed out until enemy is maxed again... then it proceeds to attack |
| 12:21.16 | JademusSreg | I still rather lack a clear picture of the data involved, Ahli. Though I suspect it's either a side effect of its position within the frame definitions or an easily overlooked duplication. |
| 12:22.30 | JademusSreg | Also, notably it doesn't template from anything; most tooltips employ templates, so it may be missing something important. |
| 12:22.36 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 12:23.21 | DeadZergling | I'm outta here myself |
| 12:23.42 | DeadZergling | all new weapons I had planned implemented, a short 5 hours later.... |
| 12:24.16 | DeadZergling | later any still awake |
| 12:27.32 | pirate | has there been any indication of blizz releasing full star tools? |
| 12:28.13 | Ahli_ | they asked for screenshots of models, I've heared |
| 12:29.01 | Ahli | I believe the AI has a problem killing destructible rocks covering bases |
| 12:43.03 | Ahli | I think I'm looking at a stalemate between AI :X |
| 12:43.53 | Zolden | oh, fuck |
| 12:44.07 | Zolden | a huge bug just landed to the window glass |
| 12:44.13 | Zolden | never saw that huge |
| 12:44.45 | Zolden | if it would land on me, i'd shit |
| 12:46.52 | Ahli | all minerals mined out... AI doesn't show any reaction |
| 12:50.06 | Ahli | tied after 2+ hours :X |
| 12:50.46 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NeAD4LOT1M new carbot |
| 12:53.48 | Zolden | it's getting cutter |
| 12:54.54 | Zolden | is carbot created doing this by his own initiative, or blizz hired him at the first place within marketing activity? |
| 12:55.08 | pirate | I think he's sponsored at this point |
| 12:55.26 | Zolden | at this point - maybe, I jsut curious who started it |
| 12:55.47 | pirate | pretty sure he started on his own volition |
| 12:55.58 | Zolden | it's normal if he did, but it's a great marketing move if the planned it, found the right guy |
| 12:56.10 | Zolden | *they |
| 12:56.17 | Ahli | he started it himself |
| 12:56.28 | Zolden | ok |
| 12:56.31 | Zolden | as everything |
| 12:56.36 | Zolden | it would be to smart to do this |
| 12:56.40 | Ahli | he made 3 episodes and then released the third one on youtube |
| 12:56.41 | Zolden | by blizz |
| 12:56.46 | Ahli | and it got viral |
| 12:57.26 | Zolden | this morning i realized that viruses get viral inside my throat |
| 12:59.06 | Zolden | but immune system seem to be controlled by a pro, they won't survive the evening, little fuckers! they aren't even cells, just a self-replicating matter |
| 12:59.32 | Zolden | a miracle and a bullshit that will be destroyed by more advanced organism |
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| 13:16.39 | Ahli | after creating one tooltip, that tooltip's frame name seems to work globally |
| 13:18.24 | JademusSreg | Interesting. |
| 13:24.12 | JademusSreg | Can't believe I didn't notice sooner that all instances of the element TooltipFrame didn't use directory paths, haha. |
| 13:24.14 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 13:24.57 | Zolden | Kueken in launch -> launch effect I have create persistent with location->caster unit. I want the unit after launching itself to hurt targets it passes while flying. Do you think there's some reasons it not working with the unit launching itself situation? |
| 13:25.26 | Kueken | nope, works perfectly |
| 13:25.35 | Kueken | I used something very similar already |
| 13:25.49 | Zolden | ok, maybe something else is wrong |
| 13:26.13 | JademusSreg | (For fornication's sake, post the xml. So much more direct.) |
| 13:26.19 | Kueken | :) |
| 13:26.28 | Zolden | is period cound = 0 ok for unlimited periods? |
| 13:26.36 | Kueken | no |
| 13:26.40 | Kueken | 0 means none |
| 13:26.42 | Zolden | oh |
| 13:26.45 | Zolden | -1 then? |
| 13:27.00 | Kueken | for unlimited, check the "persist until destroyed" flag |
| 13:27.43 | pirate | how hard would it be to add a text styles for 'AiurChef Left/Right/Center Size 10/12' ? |
| 13:31.09 | Zolden | Kueken ty, it fixed it |
| 13:32.13 | Zolden | Kueken and could you please remind me how to set up the markers so it would hurt a unit only once? |
| 13:32.21 | Ahli | hmm, can I alter the default selected item in a pulldown in UI xml? |
| 13:35.45 | Zolden | Kueken oh, nvm, looks like abil->marker->match id does it |
| 13:51.34 | JademusSreg | For or from? |
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| 15:07.08 | Fate | can i attach a unit to a unit? |
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| 15:20.21 | Bounty | >.< |
| 15:28.18 | Zolden | Bounty I heard you're making something soviet-related? |
| 15:28.27 | Bounty | Considering it yes |
| 15:28.59 | Bounty | Depends on if JademusSreg can remix all these Red Army Choir songs |
| 15:29.00 | Bounty | lol |
| 15:29.00 | Zolden | and what is it, and what are soviet references? |
| 15:29.09 | Bounty | its just the setting |
| 15:29.22 | Bounty | its a Vehicle Combat Dota |
| 15:29.23 | Zolden | what is map about? |
| 15:29.27 | Zolden | i see |
| 15:29.30 | Bounty | think, Twisted Metal meets Dota |
| 15:29.34 | Bounty | set in Red Square |
| 15:29.38 | Zolden | lol |
| 15:29.50 | Bounty | and all the heroes have funny names |
| 15:29.52 | Bounty | like |
| 15:29.55 | Zolden | will you recreate red square buildings? |
| 15:29.56 | Bounty | Vladamir Pwnin |
| 15:30.00 | Zolden | lol |
| 15:30.07 | Bounty | Mother Rush Ya |
| 15:30.15 | Bounty | yes |
| 15:30.43 | Bounty | I am thinking actual red square would be the center lane |
| 15:31.13 | Bounty | teams would be red and yellow aswell |
| 15:31.21 | Zolden | some red square buildings may exist in some games, and they can be ripped by 3d ripper |
| 15:31.43 | Bounty | I was just gonna build it with doodads |
| 15:32.07 | Zolden | it would make em hardly recognizable |
| 15:32.15 | Zolden | real buildings can work better |
| 15:32.49 | Zolden | if you someone find out what 3d games use those buildings and rip them, i can turn them into sc2 format |
| 15:32.58 | Zolden | someone -> somehow |
| 15:33.26 | Zolden | sad RA2 wasn't 3d, there were nice ones |
| 15:33.50 | Bounty | Yeah but idk how i feel about that |
| 15:33.53 | Bounty | That could cause issues |
| 15:33.59 | Bounty | im all for having music |
| 15:34.03 | Bounty | but idk about real assets |
| 15:34.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 15:35.24 | Bounty | this would be the hero selection/main menu music though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nabYYdQkS58&t=0m26s |
| 15:35.50 | Bounty | people love a catchy menu theme |
| 15:37.52 | Zolden | lol |
| 15:38.04 | Bounty | worked for hero attack :) |
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| 17:21.12 | JademusSreg | Oi, Bounty. |
| 17:21.31 | JademusSreg | Damn. |
| 17:21.36 | Bountys | i am here! |
| 17:21.42 | Bountys | TALK TO MEH! |
| 17:21.44 | JademusSreg | [13:21:41] * MoonEater is now known as Bountys |
| 17:21.49 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 17:21.52 | Bountys | duh... |
| 17:22.35 | JademusSreg | Had some questions for him regarding his design. |
| 17:23.08 | MoonEater | what design? |
| 17:23.55 | JademusSreg | His. |
| 17:25.44 | Zolden | JademusSreg convince him to use models of red square instead of imitations made of doodads |
| 17:33.44 | MoonEater | hm... |
| 17:33.48 | MoonEater | link? |
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| 17:45.24 | JademusSreg | Haha |
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| 17:58.09 | Bounty | Any luck with those remixes JademusSreg? |
| 17:58.15 | Bounty | I am very excited to hear the first one lol |
| 17:59.36 | JademusSreg | Thar you are. |
| 17:59.58 | JademusSreg | Wanted to know what you have in mind for the core gameplay. |
| 17:59.58 | Bounty | Yes, har i be |
| 18:00.17 | Bounty | I honestly just wanted to quite literally mix Twisted Metal with Dota |
| 18:00.23 | Zolden | whar have you been |
| 18:00.32 | JademusSreg | With particular detail covering the controls. |
| 18:00.53 | Bounty | I think SC2s engine will dictate that Jade |
| 18:01.00 | Bounty | Depends on what performs the best on bnet |
| 18:01.13 | Bounty | also, remaking all of this with doodads is going to be fun http://maps.google.com/help/maps/streetview/gallery/russian-highlights/red-square.html |
| 18:01.16 | Zolden | Bounty do you plan to include a "in soviet russia" theme? |
| 18:01.25 | Zolden | some absurdistic doodads may work |
| 18:01.39 | Zolden | like a horse riding a human |
| 18:01.46 | Bounty | Its possible, Jade knows what i am capable of when it comes to doodads |
| 18:01.55 | Bounty | I make pianos out of crates |
| 18:01.58 | Bounty | >.< |
| 18:02.08 | Zolden | :) |
| 18:02.16 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 18:02.20 | Bounty | i already have the soundtrack selected |
| 18:02.27 | Bounty | Jade is going to be the DJ |
| 18:02.51 | JademusSreg | Possibly. Remains to be seen. Er, heard. |
| 18:02.57 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:03.04 | Bounty | Shouldnt be to hard to add a basic background beat |
| 18:03.09 | Bounty | But what do i know |
| 18:03.27 | JademusSreg | I'm a busy wizzard. |
| 18:03.45 | Zolden | Bounty don't forget this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sailmeWkm_A |
| 18:04.09 | Bounty | o0o |
| 18:04.11 | Bounty | never heard this one before |
| 18:04.13 | JademusSreg | But I'm intrigued, interested in tinkering with it. |
| 18:04.13 | Bounty | listening |
| 18:04.21 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 18:04.56 | Bounty | bookmarked it |
| 18:05.02 | Bounty | i think it would fit nicely somewhere |
| 18:05.17 | Zolden | Bounty it's a classical soviet pactiotic war song, should fit |
| 18:05.43 | Bounty | http://www.sovmusic.ru/english/index.php |
| 18:05.45 | Bounty | :) |
| 18:05.47 | Bounty | my fav site |
| 18:06.55 | Bounty | I think this will be one of the more difficult songs for Jade to remix http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8qakI4mDII&t=0m30s |
| 18:08.10 | Zolden | Bounty bookmark this version insted, it has better instrumental part http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9PtawlOV8hw#t=58s |
| 18:08.38 | Bounty | im gonna try to find it on that site |
| 18:08.43 | Bounty | whats its traditional name? |
| 18:08.54 | JademusSreg | (Files or it didn't happen. Can't be bothered to rip it.) |
| 18:09.02 | Zolden | "sacred war" |
| 18:09.04 | Zolden | i guess |
| 18:09.26 | Bounty | found it |
| 18:09.29 | Bounty | The Saint War |
| 18:09.40 | Bounty | its the number 1 song |
| 18:09.42 | Bounty | in the top 20 |
| 18:09.43 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:09.52 | Bounty | sound quality is shit though |
| 18:10.27 | Zolden | the noise is a feature |
| 18:10.31 | Zolden | may be a feature |
| 18:10.43 | Bounty | feature? |
| 18:11.17 | Zolden | it's an artifact of an old patephonic sound |
| 18:11.26 | Bounty | Ah |
| 18:11.41 | Zolden | like strange colors of 70s movies |
| 18:11.53 | Bounty | I think will be addicted to this game just because of the music alone |
| 18:12.02 | Bounty | Something about Soviet/Russia music |
| 18:12.09 | Bounty | To me atleast |
| 18:12.15 | Bounty | I think people will be** |
| 18:12.49 | Zolden | and red square models will amplify the impression |
| 18:13.15 | Bounty | I was thinking about making the view distance cut off with red fog |
| 18:13.18 | Bounty | watcha think? |
| 18:13.23 | Bounty | Can't have a HUGE far clip |
| 18:13.26 | Bounty | will be unplayable |
| 18:13.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:14.16 | Zolden | cut off itself is a good idea to save fps |
| 18:14.25 | Bounty | oh i know |
| 18:14.27 | Bounty | i do it all the time |
| 18:14.37 | Bounty | i used a black background with black fog for haunted forest |
| 18:14.40 | Bounty | worked nicely |
| 18:14.43 | Zolden | but actually everything should be grey, it better fit soviet reality, clouds should look grey and sad |
| 18:14.45 | Bounty | so im thinking a red sky |
| 18:14.47 | Bounty | and a red fog |
| 18:15.12 | Zolden | you can try |
| 18:15.18 | Bounty | yeah |
| 18:15.22 | Bounty | it can be changed easily |
| 18:15.25 | Bounty | if it doesnt work |
| 18:16.49 | Zolden | dark grey weedless dirt with rusty tractors and thin half-dead cows may fit as a terrain |
| 18:16.51 | Zolden | somwhere |
| 18:18.07 | Bounty | That is kind of stereotypical though |
| 18:18.14 | Bounty | It wasnt that bad across the board |
| 18:18.22 | Zolden | aslo, sculptures like this would be cool: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3900/izogon-1.0/0_1fa20_6e743eb0_XL http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5409/5381743.98/0_70b55_f2e21087_orig |
| 18:20.05 | JademusSreg | (And I should remind you that, while not punctual in my work, it is always quality. So one shouldn't expect me to learn new tech and produce something in a day, haha.) |
| 18:20.10 | Zolden | it was that bad |
| 18:20.25 | Bounty | Oh i know JademusSreg |
| 18:20.30 | Bounty | Not across the board Zolden |
| 18:20.51 | Bounty | Still though, i am very excited to hear whatever you produce Jade |
| 18:20.52 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:21.02 | Zolden | yes across the board, socialism makes cows thin and tractors rusty, i saw this with my eyes |
| 18:22.03 | Bounty | You saw every inch of the soviet union? |
| 18:22.12 | Bounty | and how every single person lived? |
| 18:22.16 | Bounty | derp |
| 18:22.17 | Bounty | >.< |
| 18:22.26 | Zolden | i've read books about overall situation |
| 18:22.43 | Bounty | There are books which support both of what we're saying |
| 18:22.44 | Zolden | it was aweful everywhere, there were no miracles |
| 18:23.13 | Bounty | It was not awful everywhere, there are a good number of people who did not want it to end |
| 18:23.25 | Bounty | It was just that it either worked in your favor or completely fucked you |
| 18:23.26 | Zolden | imagine: people from countryside used to take trips to the towns to get food |
| 18:23.28 | Bounty | no in between lol |
| 18:24.52 | Zolden | people who "didn't want it to end" and understood what was best were either prisoned or fired |
| 18:25.34 | Zolden | soviet union is a perfect example of uneffective control with positive feedback that makes everything worse, not better |
| 18:26.09 | Zolden | but everything was ok in movies at least |
| 18:26.44 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:26.47 | Zolden | and in science, where scientists-prisoners created rockets and nuclear bombs based on stolen from US secrets |
| 18:27.08 | Zolden | it was also good in propaganda |
| 18:27.09 | Bounty | they had better scientists because of their educational system |
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| 18:27.43 | Bounty | Under Communism, you could receive the highest education, entirely free of charge. Engineering and other forms of high education were highly prized. Everyone had a job, there was no unemployment. |
| 18:27.52 | Bounty | Its just that you had no say in what your job was lol |
| 18:28.00 | Bounty | So you either lucked out |
| 18:28.03 | Bounty | or got fucked |
| 18:28.10 | Bounty | Thats all im saying |
| 18:28.23 | Zolden | educational system was good, indeed, but, for example, talented jews have always been kicked out of univercities, and fat stupid beurocrates have been becoming academics for fun |
| 18:29.42 | Zolden | engeneering was suppressed badly. No one wanted any improvements on factories or other production facilities, because there were no competition. In other words, an inventor could recieve 30$ for an invention, but it would never be used |
| 18:30.30 | Bounty | That sounds very unlikely |
| 18:30.45 | Bounty | You dont need to have competition to want to improve production |
| 18:30.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:31.07 | Bounty | Like i said though, not across the board |
| 18:31.22 | Bounty | I could see how some production facilities would become lazy in the innovation department |
| 18:31.32 | Zolden | it was economics based on plan, without feedback. Plan says: create a million tonns of potates. They create 1/2 tonns, but say it's 1 million to fit plan, then 1/3 will get rotten because of lacl of logistics and because no one cares after plan is fit. And then people will have to stay for hours in line to get a couple of kilogramms of a rotten potatos |
| 18:31.38 | Zolden | it's how it worked everywhere |
| 18:33.10 | Zolden | well, buisenessmen in competitive environment care and work hard, and use improvements to kick asses. Fat beurocrats only cared to fit plan to not be asskicked. And that never worked. |
| 18:33.36 | Bounty | We could argue this forever lol |
| 18:33.47 | Zolden | another thing is thet people, normal workers never had a motivation to work better, because everyone was payed equally, so quality never was good |
| 18:34.02 | Bounty | Like i said, not across the board |
| 18:34.24 | Bounty | Thats why communism/socialism works best small scale |
| 18:34.33 | Bounty | voluntarily |
| 18:34.43 | Bounty | it worked some places but not overall |
| 18:34.55 | Bounty | Because not everyone has that type of mentality |
| 18:35.24 | Zolden | as i said, there were no miracles, the shole system was rotten as potatos, and there were no miracles, people could do nothing against the system's will, because every activity was turned into "you are against the system? wanna go to prison?" |
| 18:35.58 | Bounty | well yeah that second part you said is true |
| 18:36.10 | Bounty | i see no problem with that lol |
| 18:36.12 | Bounty | but thats me |
| 18:36.24 | Bounty | well wait let me rephrase that |
| 18:36.39 | Bounty | i see no problem with that if its an actual true socialist/communist society |
| 18:36.45 | Bounty | not a dictatorship |
| 18:36.53 | Zolden | Bounty it can only work in societies of 150 max persons, where everyone understands the high scale, don't steal, believe in the idea and where every part is flexible enough to evolve |
| 18:37.12 | Bounty | yeah i know |
| 18:37.16 | Bounty | i already said that |
| 18:37.19 | Bounty | small scale >.< |
| 18:39.50 | Zolden | another source of sad grayish theme is climate |
| 18:40.40 | Zolden | there are so few sunnny days and so many cloudy days with rains, so sad hopeless depressing rainy atmosphere perfectly fit |
| 18:41.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:41.10 | Bounty | im not trying to make a game that makes russia look like a shithole |
| 18:41.13 | Bounty | >.< |
| 18:41.20 | Bounty | the entire game concept is silly |
| 18:41.50 | Bounty | i am going to have the layout be authentic but beyond that, whatever looks best and fits the best will be what is done |
| 18:41.54 | Bounty | namsayin? |
| 18:42.42 | JademusSreg | (Russia: It's Metro 2033, minus the apocalyptic thermonuclear genocide.) |
| 18:42.53 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:42.58 | Zolden | well, maybe others are also optimistic as you and will be ok about funny pink smiling tanks with rainbows |
| 18:43.39 | Bounty | who said anything about pink tanks with smiley faces |
| 18:44.06 | Bounty | Why do you take so much offense to this? |
| 18:44.11 | Zolden | dunno, how far your optimism may go |
| 18:44.34 | Zolden | because i like the idea, and feel a good style potential |
| 18:44.35 | Bounty | Its a vehicle combat game thats going to have very unrealistic weapons |
| 18:44.54 | Bounty | the style has not been determined yet |
| 18:44.59 | Bounty | if what i think will work ends up sucking |
| 18:45.02 | Zolden | but there is also a temptation to go superficial and ignore funny features |
| 18:45.02 | Bounty | then yeah |
| 18:45.09 | Bounty | im all for your idea of a more grey |
| 18:46.13 | Zolden | maybe a little vodka shop and drunk bodies around as a doodad |
| 18:46.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:46.33 | Bounty | ok thats just offensive |
| 18:46.34 | Bounty | >.< |
| 18:46.56 | Zolden | it's a sinsere mirroring of the reality |
| 18:47.27 | Zolden | i'm going to go for a jog now, and guess, how many drunk bodies will I meet lying in a mood? |
| 18:47.32 | Bounty | i would prefer russians to be able to play this game without getting pissed off/depressed |
| 18:47.33 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:48.02 | JademusSreg | (Until you can describe the design as it would be experienced, it's too vague to be confident about the gameplay.) |
| 18:48.08 | Zolden | they will be like "lol, that's so true, I love how realistic this game about the motherland!" |
| 18:48.54 | Zolden | btw, I have 1 well known moscow building as a model |
| 18:49.01 | Bounty | I just came up with this 3 days ago JAde |
| 18:49.05 | Bounty | and i already described the gameplay |
| 18:49.09 | Bounty | Twisted Metal + Dota |
| 18:50.53 | Zolden | this -> http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/33/245/msu_opaque.jpg |
| 18:51.13 | Zolden | it's an example of Stalin's architecture |
| 18:51.34 | Bounty | where did you get that |
| 18:51.37 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:51.41 | Zolden | made in max |
| 18:52.05 | Zolden | dunno how soviet does it look since it was based on NY architecture, but russian players would be happy to see this |
| 18:54.49 | Bounty | Are military songs copyright? |
| 18:57.01 | Zolden | dunno |
| 18:57.06 | Zolden | this: http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/41/127/msu.rar |
| 18:57.15 | Bounty | ? |
| 18:57.22 | Zolden | the building model |
| 18:57.27 | JademusSreg | (Perspective. Controls. Interface. Movement. Scale. That's important basic information.) |
| 18:57.46 | Bounty | its third person |
| 18:57.53 | Bounty | i would like to have it control with the mouse |
| 18:58.12 | Bounty | movement, idk, if you dont do something for me ill just use the system i used for speedcraft |
| 18:58.31 | Bounty | scale, well its going to be a pretty huge map since players will be moving so fast |
| 18:59.39 | JademusSreg | (Zol, reminding you about the splat.) |
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| 18:59.54 | JademusSreg | (bbl++) |
| 19:01.04 | Zolden | yea, i remember |
| 19:02.03 | sirotnik | hello together |
| 19:05.52 | MoonEater | JademusSregJademusSreg |
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| 19:28.05 | sirotnik | could some1 help me fix my command card? |
| 19:30.14 | Zolden | sirotnik just explain your issue, someone may know how to fix it |
| 19:31.16 | sirotnik | http://www10.pic-upload.de/13.07.13/qnp2im1nzg2s.jpg |
| 19:31.21 | sirotnik | thats what it show |
| 19:32.09 | sirotnik | that moving thing is annoying. how can i clean up my command card? |
| 19:34.30 | Zolden | there are threads on the forum with fixes |
| 19:34.47 | Zolden | search with "simplified command card" or like this |
| 19:35.18 | Zolden | as far as i remember, you would need to override player's options |
| 19:49.13 | JademusSreg | (siro, also fix your own settings. Should be in the interface section of your in-game settings.) |
| 20:27.49 | Bounty | I think i'm going to pitch a piecework pay structure at my job lol |
| 20:32.43 | MoonEater | is there a way to easily and with little lag test our of combat via triggers |
| 20:32.51 | JademusSreg | (I think it will result in termination.) |
| 20:32.52 | MoonEater | the only way i can think to do it is with abilities |
| 20:33.02 | Bounty | How so JademusSreg |
| 20:33.14 | Bounty | If i just pitch it to my boss |
| 20:33.17 | Bounty | Why would he fire me? |
| 20:33.33 | Bounty | They are over budget because people work double shifts and milk the overtime money without doing any actual work |
| 20:33.41 | Bounty | while at the same time not producing enough |
| 20:33.51 | Bounty | This is Comcast btw |
| 20:33.52 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:33.54 | Bounty | Warehouse |
| 20:34.51 | JademusSreg | (Didn't say -your- termination, but that seems possible. Most likely is that it would have no effect whatsoever.) |
| 20:35.11 | Bounty | Oh i'm aware of that |
| 20:35.12 | Bounty | But if they're smart they should do it |
| 20:35.14 | Bounty | Wouldnt you think? |
| 20:35.24 | MoonEater | buerocracy |
| 20:35.31 | Bounty | The strong get rewarded and the weak are left to die |
| 20:35.34 | Bounty | >.< |
| 20:35.57 | Bounty | I remember i got 1400 cable boxes done in 8 hours and some dude that worked a 14 hour shift barely got 1000 |
| 20:36.06 | Bounty | and he gets paid more |
| 20:37.18 | Bounty | Sounds like money wasted to me |
| 20:37.27 | Bounty | Makes sense right? Or am I just crazy? |
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| 21:11.47 | Lepton | guys ive encountered the weirddest bug |
| 21:12.07 | Lepton | its like all the terrain pathing is offset from the actual terrain |
| 21:14.07 | MoonEater | rotate the camera |
| 21:14.12 | MoonEater | look directly down |
| 21:14.15 | MoonEater | at the map |
| 21:14.54 | Lepton | its all fucked up |
| 21:14.55 | Lepton | wtf |
| 21:17.12 | Lepton | wow this is messed up |
| 21:17.17 | Lepton | ill revert to old version |
| 21:19.15 | Lepton | neevr importing custom models again |
| 21:19.33 | Zolden | JademusSreg do you need diffuse team color in that splat? |
| 21:20.20 | JademusSreg | (If it doesn't prevent the other stuff from working, sounds great.) |
| 21:20.27 | Zolden | ok |
| 21:20.50 | Zolden | it will only mix some team color, depending on diffuse map's alpha |
| 21:21.42 | JademusSreg | (This gives me an idea for a utility.) |
| 21:22.03 | Zolden | i'm experimenting with height to udnerstand its work |
| 21:24.18 | JademusSreg | You're aware how I make use of these models, I expect; I hex edit the texture references for the materials. By using generic models that support various texture slots, it allows me to quickly make any simple model I need. Wouldn't be difficult to automate, haha. |
| 21:24.55 | A1win | damn, I was playing BioShock Infinite for a while until its container looting mechanic started to annoy me too much :x it just feels so damn pointless that it needs a 2D HUD element to show the items that I'd always want to loot anyway... and it doesn't even make any sense that every box, trash can, and barrel I find has up to one coin, banana, and apple in it >_> |
| 21:25.08 | JademusSreg | Ah, gotta go again. brb |
| 21:33.23 | Zolden | and height didn't seem to react to any texture cahnge |
| 21:36.48 | JademusSreg | What are the properties of the material? |
| 21:37.03 | JademusSreg | In the editor model viewer, that is. |
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| 21:38.31 | Zolden | oh, there is another height related parameter, which I missed |
| 21:38.35 | Zolden | parallax height |
| 21:38.37 | Zolden | it was 0 |
| 21:38.41 | Zolden | let's check again |
| 21:42.53 | A1win | is it possible to hide terrain only for some players? D: |
| 21:44.50 | JademusSreg | Depends. |
| 21:45.37 | A1win | I suppose it could be faked with black mask if it doesn't matter that it resets explored areas |
| 21:45.49 | JademusSreg | Both TerrainShow and EnvironmentShow don't, but UISetWorldVisible (playergroup players, bool isVisible) supports players. |
| 21:46.06 | JademusSreg | So if you want to hide the world altogether, that can be done. |
| 21:46.31 | A1win | I only mean terrain, I'd still need units / certain actors to be visible |
| 21:46.46 | JademusSreg | Ah. And only for some players? |
| 21:46.51 | A1win | yeah |
| 21:47.03 | JademusSreg | Hm. For what purpose? |
| 21:47.14 | JademusSreg | Large scale battles? |
| 21:47.23 | A1win | cyberspace that's parallel to real space :P |
| 21:48.29 | JademusSreg | If the terrain were made visible via actor, which is doable, then yes, you could hide terrain for players. |
| 21:49.42 | JademusSreg | "Null materials", iirc, adopt the terrain texture. So with a custom model, it would be doable. |
| 21:49.58 | JademusSreg | *Null material |
| 21:50.10 | A1win | anyeay I don't have anything solid yet, just going through some ideas I've had to see if I could finally come up with something useful |
| 21:50.53 | Zolden | fuck it, doesn't work |
| 21:50.58 | A1win | something about plugging into cyberspace and using it to hack and stuff |
| 21:51.09 | JademusSreg | How so, Zol? The blood splat doodads do it. |
| 21:52.06 | JademusSreg | I could list the various assets which employ a height texture, if you like. |
| 21:52.55 | Zolden | oh fuck! |
| 21:52.59 | Zolden | this is fucking working |
| 21:53.05 | Zolden | and it's motherfucking amazing |
| 21:53.09 | JademusSreg | Hahaha. |
| 21:53.10 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:53.10 | JademusSreg | Pic. |
| 21:53.14 | Zolden | it just needed normal map too |
| 21:53.34 | Zolden | pic won't give the impression, it should be rotated |
| 21:53.43 | Bounty | what are you guys talking about? I am very intrigued by the terms "motherfucking amazing" |
| 21:53.58 | JademusSreg | It's blatant texture abuse. |
| 21:54.04 | Zolden | it's a layer of material that makes normal map look so much more realistic |
| 21:54.13 | Bounty | Zolden |
| 21:54.16 | Bounty | You can model right? |
| 21:54.57 | Bounty | Not you physically, i meant 3D models for games |
| 21:55.21 | Ahli | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3AXyHFj5wQg#t=303s :D |
| 21:55.38 | Zolden | Bounty yea |
| 21:55.45 | Bounty | hmm |
| 21:55.48 | JademusSreg | Bounty, did you see this? https://www.dropbox.com/s/luzs19q2ke1i7k7/Phase%207.jpg |
| 21:55.58 | Bounty | You, Me and JademusSreg should all work on this idea |
| 21:55.59 | Bounty | :) |
| 21:56.09 | Bounty | no i didnt Jade |
| 21:56.10 | Bounty | what is it? |
| 21:56.46 | Bounty | looks like some sort of texture |
| 21:56.59 | JademusSreg | Hardtiles. Zol added some materials to the hardtile material model, and I customized them with hex editing. |
| 21:57.07 | JademusSreg | Hardtiles are used for roads in the editor. |
| 21:57.11 | Bounty | ah |
| 21:57.12 | Bounty | nice :) |
| 21:57.15 | A1win | I wish computer games had as good customizability as some card games like MtG and Netrunner have D: |
| 21:57.25 | Bounty | but yeah |
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| 21:57.30 | Bounty | what do you think of that JademusSreg? |
| 21:57.37 | A1win | build customization in RPGs doesn't feel as meaningful |
| 21:57.40 | JademusSreg | Ah, MtG. Tokens modifying tokens modifying tokens. |
| 21:57.42 | Bounty | You, Zolden and I working on Comrades In Cars |
| 21:57.43 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:57.51 | Zolden | :) |
| 21:58.05 | Bounty | I really didnt want to use SC2 assets neways |
| 21:58.05 | Zolden | I could make something sovietish |
| 21:58.15 | Bounty | You would have to do alot Zolden |
| 21:58.18 | Zolden | but it would be easier to rip the existing ones |
| 21:58.19 | Bounty | If you're up for it |
| 21:58.31 | Bounty | Jade would have it easy |
| 21:58.31 | A1win | since in RPGs, the character is still controlled pretty much the same way no matter what abilities and stats you have |
| 21:58.32 | Bounty | >.< |
| 21:58.32 | Zolden | i'll try to rip |
| 21:58.43 | Bounty | They all have to look alike |
| 21:58.44 | A1win | you just throw around different special effects |
| 21:58.48 | Bounty | like |
| 21:58.52 | Bounty | They have to look like they fit |
| 21:58.55 | Bounty | together |
| 21:59.23 | A1win | need customization that actually changes the way the game is played D: |
| 21:59.24 | Bounty | Dont need something that looks like its from WindWaker mixed with Ocarina of Time |
| 21:59.27 | Bounty | namsayin? |
| 22:00.20 | JademusSreg | A1, begins with the proper abstractions. =D |
| 22:00.31 | A1win | >:X |
| 22:00.33 | Bounty | I'm going to assume JademusSreg is not in |
| 22:00.40 | Bounty | Based on his reluctance to answer |
| 22:01.27 | JademusSreg | I am the capricious and whimsical breeze. |
| 22:01.42 | A1win | I've been playing a lot of Android:Netrunner lately, its deckbuilding is amazing xO |
| 22:01.52 | Bounty | There goes uncle Jade again... making up words n shit |
| 22:01.55 | A1win | I want the same feel into a computer game :X |
| 22:02.14 | JademusSreg | I concur, A1. But not on SC2. |
| 22:02.25 | Bounty | We all know capricious isnt a word, sounds like some sort of crab |
| 22:04.01 | A1win | maybe it needs a game where there is no "character" that is controlled but some other kind of an interface |
| 22:04.03 | Zolden | JademusSreg http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/41/131/test_splat.rar |
| 22:04.39 | A1win | like an RTS game where you customize your stuff before the game begins =p |
| 22:04.46 | A1win | RTT |
| 22:05.33 | A1win | but even there, it'd still be a bunch of units you control, which would all still do pretty much the same thing (move and attack) even though they'd have special abilities |
| 22:05.39 | Zolden | JademusSreg emissive = 1,234; specular = 2,345; specular highlight = 34,567; parallax height = 12,345 |
| 22:06.14 | Zolden | texture names are test_splat_x.dds, where x = diffuse, normal nad so on |
| 22:06.40 | JademusSreg | Yar. About to test. |
| 22:08.21 | Zolden | parallax height parameter max is 25, and the model look best with it = 25 |
| 22:08.23 | A1win | what about a team vs team game where each team has a base that the players have customized before the game begins o: |
| 22:08.30 | Zolden | it's just like there is a whole world under the splat |
| 22:08.46 | A1win | might not work that well with teams full of strangers... |
| 22:09.27 | A1win | also probably not that cool on SC2 engine |
| 22:09.36 | A1win | needs more 3D |
| 22:11.10 | A1win | brainstorming alone is a brain hurricane, it's trying to expand but ends up spinning in circles |
| 22:11.32 | Zolden | A1win smoke some weed |
| 22:11.36 | MoonEater | Zolden |
| 22:11.42 | Zolden | will help to generate cool ideas |
| 22:11.46 | A1win | :x |
| 22:11.58 | MoonEater | u should help me remake grocery stor wars |
| 22:12.01 | MoonEater | with good models |
| 22:12.11 | MoonEater | well not help but team up |
| 22:12.14 | Zolden | there are fruits as shape models |
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| 22:12.41 | MoonEater | lolz |
| 22:12.42 | Zolden | i'm glad to help if it won't take too much time, but summer should be spend not in front of computers |
| 22:12.47 | MoonEater | i need shopping carts |
| 22:12.49 | MoonEater | shelfs |
| 22:12.51 | MoonEater | wine |
| 22:12.59 | MoonEater | breads cheese and alot more |
| 22:13.00 | MoonEater | porno |
| 22:13.06 | MoonEater | cencored ofcourse |
| 22:13.09 | Zolden | so recent month or two i won't be much online, and when i will be i will want to wrok on my map |
| 22:13.15 | MoonEater | store cameras |
| 22:13.48 | MoonEater | oh well |
| 22:13.48 | Zolden | i can mkae you a model of penis and, you will then dynamically attach it to zerg buildings to generate porno |
| 22:14.18 | MoonEater | thanks.... |
| 22:14.51 | MoonEater | to be honest maybe A1win could pull it off but your the only one who really has the expertise needed |
| 22:15.13 | A1win | mmh? I don't make models |
| 22:15.25 | MoonEater | who made the paper map? |
| 22:15.29 | A1win | dunno |
| 22:15.30 | MoonEater | egod? |
| 22:15.37 | MoonEater | oh i thought it was u |
| 22:15.41 | MoonEater | nvm |
| 22:17.57 | Zolden | another modeller is twodie |
| 22:18.09 | Zolden | where's twodie, guys? |
| 22:18.48 | Zolden | maybe he's doing summer too, he's living in northern country as me and A1win, so summer is a prescious time |
| 22:19.18 | MoonEater | ~seen twodie |
| 22:19.24 | purl | twodie <4e3c1a28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.60.26.40> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 11d 15h 3m 17s ago, saying: 'nice'. |
| 22:19.31 | JademusSreg | Yep, works quite well, Zol. |
| 22:19.32 | Zolden | omg, 11 days |
| 22:19.32 | MoonEater | 11 days ago |
| 22:19.40 | Zolden | hope he is not dead |
| 22:19.57 | Zolden | JademusSreg check if it not disappear in game |
| 22:20.00 | JademusSreg | Naw, twod changes handles frequently. |
| 22:20.03 | Zolden | i think i set all up right |
| 22:20.22 | Zolden | it may save a couple of days from thos 11 |
| 22:20.37 | Zolden | but none of his masks were here latele |
| 22:20.42 | Zolden | so, he's probably dead |
| 22:21.43 | JademusSreg | His last login to mapster was 4 hours ago. |
| 22:22.28 | Zolden | this means we just bored him away from this chat |
| 22:22.31 | Zolden | shame on us |
| 22:23.33 | JademusSreg | Works fine in game, as well. |
| 22:24.11 | Zolden | alright |
| 22:24.20 | MoonEater | jade |
| 22:24.41 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 22:24.47 | Zolden | i only noticed one strange thing: when I tried to rotate the model in cutscene, it took time to update the lights |
| 22:24.47 | MoonEater | im having an issue with a behavior |
| 22:25.00 | MoonEater | its a buff check that activates while in combat |
| 22:25.01 | JademusSreg | Zol, odd. |
| 22:25.14 | Zolden | but when i rotated camera, it updated normally |
| 22:25.22 | MoonEater | the disable validator is a modifacation on stemann's |
| 22:26.47 | JademusSreg | Design > Approach > Implementation |
| 22:27.09 | MoonEater | #$%^& |
| 22:37.32 | JademusSreg | Guy goes to see a doctor. The guy says "Doc, I've got a problem." The doctor waits silently. "Doc, it's really personal, and I need your help." The doctor still says nothing. "Doc, I can't... you know... I have trouble... my part isn't working. I want it to be inside someone, and all it does it sit there staring, like it doesn't understand what I'm saying!" The doctor looks up thoughtfully, |
| 22:37.32 | JademusSreg | and asks, "And exactly what is it you are attempting to do?" The guy responds "Damnit, you're no help! I just explained it!" The guy goes to leave, but the doctor sighs heavily and says, "Hold on, hold on... at least let me re-attach it before you bleed out." |
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| 22:51.14 | Zandose | hi |
| 22:51.31 | JademusSreg | bbl |
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| 23:06.07 | Bounty | I thought this was interesting |
| 23:06.07 | Bounty | http://io9.com/5975041/why-does-coffee-make-you-poop |
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| 23:26.03 | Bounty | I wish this irc was more booming with random conversation |
| 23:27.08 | JademusSreg | (Busy.) |
| 23:27.43 | Bounty | You're the exception JademusSreg, that is your profession |
| 23:28.16 | Bounty | When Leonidas asked the Spartans in 300 "Spartans! What is your profession?" you would have replied "Busy" |
| 23:34.14 | MoonEater | most of us would |
| 23:34.21 | MoonEater | WE R PROGRAMMING |
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| 23:36.16 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.13 | MoonEater | i know its easy todo with triggers |
| 23:37.57 | MoonEater | make it in like 5 min |
| 23:55.18 | gooose | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.34 | MoonEater | mothership created = disable train mothership |
| 23:56.48 | MoonEater | mothership destroyed =enable train mothership |
| 23:56.54 | MoonEater | seems pritty easy to me |
| 23:57.07 | MoonEater | maybe a pick player loop |
