| 00:00.12 | Wrath | I'll run a test and get a value on how long of a difference is. |
| 00:00.18 | Bounty | It would be more of a destruction derby than a racing game |
| 00:00.30 | Kueken | max 0.03125 seconds according to my tests |
| 00:00.56 | Kueken | which is negligible considering bnet's default 200ms latency |
| 00:01.04 | Zandose | racing which is f'ed up as much as possible to be fun |
| 00:01.14 | Kueken | try following test |
| 00:01.14 | Bounty | Pretty much Zandose |
| 00:01.16 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:01.20 | Wrath | I'm going to test |
| 00:01.27 | Zandose | 0.03125 is in-game updating. not player input |
| 00:01.27 | Wrath | An ability that applies a behavior |
| 00:01.32 | Wrath | Trigger checks for the button press |
| 00:01.37 | AndChat|453921 | Test... |
| 00:01.37 | Kueken | an ability using a hotkey, and a keypress event detecting the same hotkey |
| 00:01.39 | Wrath | Gets the reduced duration of the behavior |
| 00:01.50 | Wrath | Or the keypress, sure |
| 00:02.13 | Zandose | if your game single player or multiplayer? |
| 00:02.15 | Kueken | make the ability kill the caster and the keypress trigger kill a second unit |
| 00:02.21 | Zandose | is* |
| 00:02.31 | Kueken | then print time of death |
| 00:02.31 | Wrath | That's... Pretty unnecessary? |
| 00:03.32 | Zandose | are we talking about wsad for single player of multiplayer on battle.net? |
| 00:03.41 | Kueken | Zandose: according to my tests, data and trigger updates occur every other tick, if you have 0.03125 ticks |
| 00:03.56 | Kueken | tick 1 updates data, tick 2 triggers, tick 3 data again etc |
| 00:04.10 | Kueken | I might be wrong, but thats what the test indicated |
| 00:04.17 | Zandose | i wasnting talking about that sorry. i was thinking of input delay from network traffic |
| 00:04.33 | Wrath | Which is what I'm referring to |
| 00:04.43 | Zandose | a key press needs to be synced before it starts something |
| 00:04.57 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:05.00 | Bounty | ah the old key press debate |
| 00:05.13 | Kueken | data input as well, unless its async like ability targeting mode |
| 00:05.18 | Zandose | ^^ |
| 00:05.20 | Bounty | Pretty sure i already settled this one |
| 00:05.24 | Bounty | with the best way to do it |
| 00:05.33 | Zandose | ^ |
| 00:05.34 | Kueken | I am sure you did |
| 00:05.45 | Wrath | Do tell, then. :3 |
| 00:06.06 | Zandose | Wrath are you using multiplayer? |
| 00:06.13 | Bounty | Multi Threaded While Loops for each player detecting booleans set by the keypress trigger |
| 00:06.14 | Wrath | Yessss |
| 00:06.17 | Bounty | and pre placed units |
| 00:06.19 | Wrath | A single player race would be shit :P |
| 00:06.23 | Bounty | not units created on the fly |
| 00:06.29 | Bounty | only pre placed |
| 00:06.34 | Wrath | .... Why? |
| 00:06.38 | Bounty | no idea |
| 00:06.42 | Wrath | Random |
| 00:06.45 | Bounty | pre placed units set to a variable |
| 00:06.56 | Bounty | give more response than those created during the game and set to a variable |
| 00:06.58 | Zandose | then fuck the input delay. its almost nothing. your problem is the network delay |
| 00:07.16 | Bounty | go boot up Photon Synergy |
| 00:07.16 | mooneater | Its doeabt need to be per placed |
| 00:07.25 | Bounty | best keypress system ive made |
| 00:07.28 | Bounty | using what i just described |
| 00:07.32 | mooneater | Just the variable |
| 00:07.36 | Bounty | nope |
| 00:07.39 | Bounty | it was tested |
| 00:07.46 | Zandose | when a players pressed a key it needs to send the data to all the other players for syncing, which takes much longer. |
| 00:07.52 | Bounty | thats why people noticed such an improvement with Photon Synergy VS Photon Discs |
| 00:08.03 | Zandose | bounty link? |
| 00:08.08 | Bounty | to what? |
| 00:08.15 | Zandose | uh... |
| 00:08.24 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ranO-cPvGi4 |
| 00:08.26 | Bounty | thats photon synergy |
| 00:08.27 | Zandose | keypress system |
| 00:08.32 | Bounty | thats online gameplay |
| 00:08.33 | Zandose | old vs new |
| 00:08.40 | Bounty | i dont have a link to it lol |
| 00:08.41 | Zandose | so i can see method used |
| 00:08.54 | Zandose | ok |
| 00:08.54 | Bounty | action definition threaded loops for each player |
| 00:09.09 | Bounty | that detect booleans corresponding to each key |
| 00:09.12 | Zandose | oh |
| 00:09.15 | Zandose | that method |
| 00:09.16 | Bounty | and that execute the movement |
| 00:09.18 | Bounty | BUT |
| 00:09.21 | Bounty | thats only the first part |
| 00:09.29 | Bounty | the second is very important in that you only use pre placed units |
| 00:09.34 | Bounty | simulate the death |
| 00:09.39 | Bounty | dont destroy and create |
| 00:09.48 | Bounty | set the variable of the unit on map init |
| 00:09.56 | Bounty | thats the best you can get |
| 00:10.05 | mooneater | Do ability dummies need to sync with all the player? |
| 00:10.18 | Zandose | i believe any ability |
| 00:10.34 | Zandose | anything the players uses/pressed |
| 00:10.34 | Bounty | ^ |
| 00:10.39 | Bounty | i tried that loophole before |
| 00:10.44 | Bounty | using dummy keypress abilities |
| 00:10.48 | Bounty | instead of the actual keypress event |
| 00:10.50 | Wrath | Okay, I think I'll try this method and give the unit an invisible main model |
| 00:10.50 | Bounty | made no diff |
| 00:10.57 | Wrath | Attach a hellion model and use messages to rotate it |
| 00:11.06 | Zandose | bounty i understand the boolean part but what does the rest do to help? |
| 00:11.14 | Bounty | the pre placed unit part? |
| 00:11.18 | Zandose | yes |
| 00:11.19 | Bounty | honestly nobody knows lol |
| 00:11.22 | Bounty | it KINDA makes sense |
| 00:11.37 | Bounty | but we discovered it when one of my maps used pre placed units but created a new unit on respawn |
| 00:11.38 | mooneater | So anything trigger...dialouge |
| 00:11.47 | Bounty | we noticed a much more noticable delay after your first death |
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| 00:12.00 | Bounty | it makes sense though |
| 00:12.01 | Zandose | but you don't know why? |
| 00:12.07 | Bounty | if the variable of the unit is set on map init |
| 00:12.08 | Bounty | and its pre placed |
| 00:12.25 | Bounty | rather than a unit created on the fly in game |
| 00:12.34 | Zandose | triggers will run synced on a timer |
| 00:12.47 | Zandose | for instance... |
| 00:12.59 | Bounty | To anyone who doubts it you can go boot up Photon Discs |
| 00:13.06 | Bounty | than go boot up Photon Synergy (which uses pre placed) |
| 00:13.12 | Bounty | you'll see |
| 00:13.20 | Zandose | a basic trigger like event - start in one second + do actions is reset/defined beforehand. |
| 00:13.29 | Zandose | a basic trigger like event - start in one second + do actions is reset/defined beforehand and will cause to delay |
| 00:13.47 | Lepton | da feel when you press f1 by mistake and you have to wait 2 minutes for overview manager to load |
| 00:13.48 | Wrath | Ah, I am going to do it using exclusively data. |
| 00:13.51 | Wrath | I have it worked out now. |
| 00:13.59 | Zandose | a trigger with a event like key press must tell the other players it went off |
| 00:14.22 | Zandose | data-abilities suffer the same problem i believe |
| 00:14.27 | Bounty | They do |
| 00:14.31 | Bounty | it wont make a diff |
| 00:14.32 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:14.35 | Wrath | Nevertheless they suffer the least |
| 00:14.41 | Wrath | If you use a trigger to issue an order that's probably slower |
| 00:14.53 | Bounty | I'll take the pepsi challenge with a data system vs mine |
| 00:14.54 | Zandose | i dont believe so |
| 00:14.58 | Bounty | :) |
| 00:15.06 | Zandose | data and triggers are the same |
| 00:15.17 | Zandose | just a different apporch to using them |
| 00:15.24 | Bounty | data is only more efficient with things like sounds, animations etc |
| 00:15.30 | Bounty | actor based stuff |
| 00:15.32 | Zandose | @bounty hmm |
| 00:15.51 | mooneater | ? |
| 00:15.57 | A1win | gahh repo's got to be the most annoying IRC bot I've seen :P |
| 00:15.57 | Zandose | i broke it... |
| 00:16.16 | Zandose | @ |
| 00:17.17 | mooneater | My gf is yelling at Mr right now that I program too much |
| 00:17.40 | mooneater | That she's the last thing on my mind |
| 00:17.55 | Zandose | bounty in data your pre-defining your actions (sound, animations, etc.). for example, you tell a unit to move from point A to B, the unit will run the animation and sounds. but their is still the delay for the player issusing the move command, weather by trigger key or ability key |
| 00:18.48 | Zandose | i might have lost my track there |
| 00:19.11 | Zandose | anything predefined, linked to something else the game knows its going to happen and can do it without delay |
| 00:19.21 | DeadZergling | argue that your other head thinks of her constantly |
| 00:19.32 | DeadZergling | and makes up for any lack of thinking your programming mind might do |
| 00:19.34 | Zandose | lol |
| 00:20.06 | DeadZergling | however, if you want to actually keep her |
| 00:20.19 | Zandose | say some cheesey line to her about 1's and 0's and compare it to her |
| 00:20.22 | DeadZergling | could think, how often do I actually do things with her that she wants to do a week? :P |
| 00:21.15 | DeadZergling | words tend to mean nothing if you don't spend any time with them you know |
| 00:21.15 | Zandose | anything not predefined, such as a player pressing a key, ordering a unit to move, moving the camera, etc requires that it be synced with all players before i can be done/preformed |
| 00:21.27 | Zandose | your right |
| 00:21.41 | Zandose | teach her to problem and help you make the game :) |
| 00:21.47 | Zandose | program* |
| 00:22.19 | Zandose | ^ quality time together lol |
| 00:22.20 | DeadZergling | oh yea, that'll work about as well as convincing your gf/wife she should play a cleric in your favorite rpg |
| 00:23.06 | Zandose | ive been chatting so long i forgot what my trigger is doing |
| 00:25.06 | Zandose | ok time to test if my trigger actually does anything |
| 00:25.56 | Zandose | nothing. i should probably add some event to turn it on... |
| 00:28.56 | Zandose | do decals splats? |
| 00:29.00 | Zandose | are decals splats? |
| 00:32.19 | Zandose | their models but seem to be forced onto the ground |
| 00:33.15 | Zandose | or my system is doing it wrong... |
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| 00:38.41 | DeadZergling | speaking of cheesy lines about 1's and 0's Zandose |
| 00:39.21 | DeadZergling | could say, myloveforyou == true will always return a 0 |
| 00:40.04 | Zandose | i would skip the logical stantment as it will just confuse her |
| 00:40.27 | DeadZergling | totally missed the joke huh :P |
| 00:40.32 | Zandose | god were too nerdy lol |
| 00:40.53 | Zandose | god help the human race |
| 00:40.59 | Zandose | were coming |
| 00:42.26 | Zandose | are shadows based on a preset or a light source and can said light sorced be changed to have the shadows? |
| 00:43.12 | DeadZergling | is more a light source zandose |
| 00:43.23 | Zandose | promising |
| 00:43.48 | DeadZergling | i messed with the lighting on my map so for the most part shadows are straight down |
| 00:43.56 | DeadZergling | so any lighting effects are more dramatic |
| 00:44.05 | Zandose | i was just thinking of a run moving |
| 00:44.11 | Zandose | i was just thinking of a sun moving |
| 00:45.17 | Lepton | could anyone confirm that publishing fails whenever a computer is put as user in game variants? |
| 00:46.25 | DeadZergling | lol nice, http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1491#comic |
| 00:47.35 | Zandose | lol |
| 00:48.33 | Zandose | http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLD2FF18CFF7716816&feature=player_embedded&v=YD9Xj8cfhVo#at=41 |
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| 00:53.46 | MoonEater_ | i am back |
| 00:53.50 | MoonEater_ | from being yelled at |
| 00:53.52 | MoonEater_ | continously |
| 00:58.32 | Lepton | could anyone confirm that publishing fails whenever a computer is put as user in game variants? |
| 00:58.44 | MoonEater_ | nope |
| 00:58.51 | MoonEater_ | i have 2 of those |
| 00:58.52 | MoonEater_ | for mine |
| 00:58.56 | MoonEater_ | and i just uploaded |
| 01:00.01 | MoonEater_ | what does the error say? |
| 01:00.07 | MoonEater_ | Lepton |
| 01:00.19 | Lepton | it says |
| 01:00.33 | Lepton | 1 sec |
| 01:00.44 | Lepton | ohw do i open the puslish upload log window? |
| 01:01.03 | MoonEater_ | open when u publish |
| 01:01.14 | Lepton | eh |
| 01:01.18 | Lepton | it said something like |
| 01:01.30 | Lepton | ERROR: game variants could not be validated |
| 01:02.44 | MoonEater_ | oh |
| 01:02.45 | MoonEater_ | well |
| 01:02.49 | MoonEater_ | ur in the right spot |
| 01:02.58 | MoonEater_ | kill the varrient and remake it slowly |
| 01:03.02 | MoonEater_ | upload as u go |
| 01:06.20 | DeadZergling | so get things resolved? Or is it making moonpies on the couch ? |
| 01:09.10 | Lepton | mooneater, i dont see how thatll help |
| 01:09.29 | Lepton | ass soon as I remove the computers therees no error |
| 01:09.34 | MoonEater_ | well it doesnt work now so i said remake it from scratch |
| 01:09.40 | MoonEater_ | somthign in there is buggering it up |
| 01:09.46 | MoonEater_ | ok |
| 01:09.46 | MoonEater_ | so |
| 01:09.47 | Lepton | yes, its the computers |
| 01:09.48 | MoonEater_ | its the comp |
| 01:09.58 | MoonEater_ | so then tinker with it |
| 01:10.02 | MoonEater_ | ad a dummy comp |
| 01:10.08 | Lepton | I tried everything |
| 01:10.11 | MoonEater_ | put the comp on different team or somthing |
| 01:10.14 | Lepton | ive been stuck there for 3 days |
| 01:10.27 | Lepton | i wasted 4 hours the other day |
| 01:10.38 | Lepton | is there a way to see details of the error? |
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| 01:10.44 | Lepton | maybe someone clever could read through it |
| 01:12.29 | MoonEater_ | usaly not |
| 01:12.34 | MoonEater_ | editor is gay like that |
| 01:13.17 | Lepton | ah |
| 01:13.59 | DeadZergling | lot of moonpies happening in here |
| 01:15.10 | MoonEater_ | alot of dead zerglings in here also |
| 01:15.47 | DeadZergling | gf hit you so you seeing triple or something? |
| 01:16.56 | MoonEater_ | dont u normaly spawn in pairs? |
| 01:18.12 | DeadZergling | obviously not, is 1 whole dead zergling |
| 01:18.32 | MoonEater_ | lolz |
| 01:18.51 | MoonEater_ | hey dead im trying to make an invisible unit |
| 01:18.56 | MoonEater_ | that for the most part is never seen |
| 01:18.58 | MoonEater_ | and stuff |
| 01:19.02 | MoonEater_ | but is selectable |
| 01:19.09 | MoonEater_ | know a good actor? |
| 01:19.36 | DeadZergling | never seen but selectable huh |
| 01:19.46 | DeadZergling | why not just set the opacity on any existing actor to 0? |
| 01:19.47 | MoonEater_ | ya its an invisible unit |
| 01:19.56 | MoonEater_ | u select this group shared building |
| 01:20.11 | MoonEater_ | it forces u to click this invisble unit that has all ur upgrades and research |
| 01:20.32 | MoonEater_ | oh that might work |
| 01:23.37 | Lepton | guys where can i find a beacon? |
| 01:23.39 | Lepton | like in bw |
| 01:23.43 | Lepton | arent there any in sc2? |
| 01:23.54 | DeadZergling | yes, but they are fugly |
| 01:23.59 | DeadZergling | have you tried doodads? |
| 01:24.08 | MoonEater_ | has to be a unit |
| 01:24.14 | MoonEater_ | cause this is the unit doing the research |
| 01:24.17 | MoonEater_ | for the player |
| 01:24.30 | MoonEater_ | how do i change opacity |
| 01:24.32 | DeadZergling | unit is still represented by an actor |
| 01:24.39 | MoonEater_ | yes |
| 01:24.41 | MoonEater_ | has to be |
| 01:24.43 | DeadZergling | just need to add an event to the unit's actor |
| 01:24.46 | MoonEater_ | otherwise no select |
| 01:24.49 | DeadZergling | actor creation: set opacity 0 |
| 01:24.59 | A1win | turn on the unit's No Draw flag? |
| 01:25.50 | Lepton | DeadZergling, what doodad? |
| 01:25.59 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (45f8f26f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.242.111) |
| 01:26.04 | Bounty | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/player-zone/map-suggestions-requests/54719-star-craft-2-maps-custom-games/#p2 |
| 01:26.07 | DeadZergling | you know, placeable doodads |
| 01:26.11 | Bounty | anyone else contact that guy? |
| 01:26.17 | DeadZergling | check for beacons in there |
| 01:27.09 | Lepton | nother is called beason |
| 01:27.12 | Lepton | beacon |
| 01:28.04 | MoonEater_ | A1win |
| 01:28.08 | MoonEater_ | or |
| 01:28.12 | MoonEater_ | DeadZergling\ |
| 01:28.24 | Lepton | found it DeadZergling |
| 01:28.26 | MoonEater_ | whats the field for selection priority |
| 01:28.28 | Lepton | its in units o,. |
| 01:28.30 | Lepton | o.0 |
| 01:28.43 | A1win | MoonEater_, it's in the Model |
| 01:28.46 | DeadZergling | yea, one of the two, forgot which :) |
| 01:29.17 | MoonEater_ | A1win, u sure i want it so that if units r select this one will be the main unit select and shown the command card of |
| 01:30.07 | A1win | oh, that |
| 01:30.14 | A1win | selection layer is in the model |
| 01:30.21 | A1win | so yeah, in the Unit then |
| 01:30.23 | Bounty | nobody else saw that thread i take it? lol |
| 01:30.25 | A1win | but can't remember the exact field name |
| 01:30.29 | MoonEater_ | lolz |
| 01:30.32 | MoonEater_ | well good try |
| 01:30.33 | Bounty | guy offered me a job lol |
| 01:30.38 | MoonEater_ | i figured it wouldnt be in the model |
| 01:30.41 | Bounty | >.< |
| 01:30.41 | MoonEater_ | it would make sence |
| 01:30.44 | MoonEater_ | maybe actor |
| 01:31.10 | DeadZergling | Nope, didn't see that one Bounty |
| 01:31.11 | A1win | Bounty, not in the US x: |
| 01:31.16 | Bounty | ah |
| 01:31.18 | Bounty | well |
| 01:31.24 | Bounty | just off the phone with them tonight |
| 01:31.26 | A1win | and I don't read the forums at all anymore |
| 01:31.27 | Bounty | $20 an hour to start |
| 01:31.50 | DeadZergling | how exactly do they expect to track your hours remotely? |
| 01:31.51 | Bounty | Fingers crossed that this is real lol |
| 01:31.57 | Bounty | no idea |
| 01:32.22 | Bounty | They just got approved for the grant (which they sent me a copy of) |
| 01:32.26 | Bounty | going be another few weeks |
| 01:32.28 | Bounty | to be* |
| 01:32.58 | DeadZergling | this your way of saying, see what happens if you offer to do the job for 15 $ an hour? |
| 01:33.08 | Lepton | guys can we change beacon colors like in bw? |
| 01:33.22 | Lepton | they seem same color whatever the race |
| 01:33.26 | Lepton | i mean whatever the player |
| 01:33.28 | Bounty | go for it lol |
| 01:35.12 | DeadZergling | mapster threads sure are good at hiding themselves. |
| 01:35.33 | MoonEater_ | Lepton |
| 01:35.34 | MoonEater_ | yes |
| 01:35.34 | A1win | Lepton, you can't change it easily, but it's possible to change the model's texture to one that uses team color |
| 01:35.51 | MoonEater_ | A1win |
| 01:36.01 | MoonEater_ | isnt there a color filter u can put on the actor? |
| 01:36.02 | A1win | but you need to make that texture first, or find one that works for it |
| 01:36.20 | Lepton | A1win, but im doing a votekick thing |
| 01:36.21 | A1win | MoonEater_, only tint, which can only subtract color |
| 01:36.21 | Lepton | with beacons |
| 01:36.31 | A1win | Lepton, why D: |
| 01:36.35 | Lepton | just want to diferenciate them |
| 01:36.41 | Lepton | A1win, cause I prefer this method |
| 01:36.42 | A1win | this isn't BW, you can do so much better |
| 01:36.46 | Lepton | just so intuitive |
| 01:36.49 | Lepton | for players |
| 01:37.08 | Lepton | no need text entries or dialogs |
| 01:37.10 | A1win | using an actual interface built for the exact purpose is more intuitive |
| 01:37.10 | MoonEater_ | Lepton, u rock man |
| 01:37.18 | MoonEater_ | crys |
| 01:37.22 | Lepton | zzzz |
| 01:37.29 | MoonEater_ | keep sc1 alive man! |
| 01:37.34 | Lepton | no its not |
| 01:37.59 | Lepton | with beacons everyone knows the votecount at all time |
| 01:38.08 | Lepton | and it doesnt obstruct the view |
| 01:38.26 | Dogmai | So ... |
| 01:38.34 | Dogmai | Where is my signed Sc2 HOTS Wooden Spoon? |
| 01:38.44 | Unclesatan | Bounty congrats |
| 01:38.49 | Unclesatan | That's awesome |
| 01:38.56 | Unclesatan | I just read that thread |
| 01:39.02 | Bounty | I wouldnt say congrats yet |
| 01:39.03 | Bounty | never know |
| 01:39.07 | Bounty | could be some huge scam haha |
| 01:39.16 | Bounty | but thank you |
| 01:39.17 | Bounty | :) |
| 01:39.39 | Lepton | ok guys |
| 01:39.45 | Lepton | if other votekick methods are so good |
| 01:39.53 | Lepton | wheres a simple votekick template? |
| 01:39.55 | A1win | Lepton, well as I said, the only way to get team colored beacons is to give them a texture that supports team coloring... textures can be hot-swapped with an actor message (texture select by ID) but you need to figure out that texture first and make a data entry for it |
| 01:39.55 | Unclesatan | hahaha yeah it's true, you're right for looking out for it.. the guy seems nice enough though |
| 01:40.21 | Bounty | just got off the phone with him and another guy |
| 01:40.22 | Lepton | I see A1win thanks |
| 01:40.25 | Bounty | they seemed cool |
| 01:40.31 | Lepton | im searching for a template |
| 01:40.33 | DeadZergling | who knows, the 20 $ hour thing sounds fishy, or they are just completely inept at figuring that sort of thing out. |
| 01:40.38 | Lepton | you guys know a good simple one? |
| 01:40.44 | Bounty | nah we discussed it |
| 01:40.49 | Bounty | and come up with 20 an hour |
| 01:41.00 | Bounty | thats cheap considering the work |
| 01:41.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:41.09 | Bounty | im doing everything :) |
| 01:42.05 | DeadZergling | yea, hourly wage, sure they won't mind every day being 14 hours... |
| 01:42.28 | Dogmai | Bounty, how much is working at like a Supermarket/Mcdonalds there /h? |
| 01:42.52 | Bounty | where i live? minimum wage, 7.25 |
| 01:43.09 | Bounty | i will only be able to do like 4 hours a day |
| 01:43.10 | Bounty | its part time |
| 01:43.11 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:43.16 | DeadZergling | getting paid anything an hour to mod sounds like a great deal to me.... |
| 01:43.59 | Bounty | its about time imo |
| 01:44.07 | Bounty | hopefully its not to good to be true |
| 01:44.19 | Bounty | it makes sense though, cheaper to hire me to make a sc2 mod than hire someone to make something in unity |
| 01:44.55 | Dogmai | cause award wage here is higher than that o_O |
| 01:45.08 | Dogmai | sigh ... sif the Aussie dollar drops like 15% in a week |
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| 01:46.40 | Dogmai | It always seems like if I am thinking of importing something big, the dollar drops and it gets more expensive. |
| 01:47.12 | Wrath | Does anybody know how to convert the key return type of EvenKeyPressed to string? |
| 01:47.20 | Unclesatan | If I wanted to learn to make cheap games on android, I could find a job pretty easy in Seattle, I live nearby and most of them will pay about 30 an hour |
| 01:47.29 | Unclesatan | apps too |
| 01:47.46 | Unclesatan | so 20 is a pretty fair price for someone creating things like that imo |
| 01:49.04 | Wrath | Ah I think they are integers... That's quite lame. |
| 01:49.06 | Bounty | they also said ill be paid for training lol |
| 01:49.09 | Bounty | reading the grant |
| 01:49.14 | Bounty | and various other documents |
| 01:49.28 | Bounty | Gonna be so pissed if this isnt real |
| 01:49.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:50.09 | Bounty | regardless |
| 01:50.17 | Bounty | in celebration i give you an extremely catchy song |
| 01:50.20 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2rQfG7A7vI |
| 01:50.20 | MoonEater_ | bounty if it isnt real |
| 01:50.23 | MoonEater_ | make sure to come back here |
| 01:50.31 | MoonEater_ | so i can watch u be pissed |
| 01:50.34 | DeadZergling | well, hopefully it is real |
| 01:50.51 | Bounty | This would be nice for my kids |
| 01:50.54 | DeadZergling | and you don't discover you own 4 or 5 more credit card accounts after you send in the tax form |
| 01:50.54 | Bounty | for christmas |
| 01:50.57 | Bounty | among other things |
| 01:51.03 | MoonEater_ | ?me crys |
| 01:51.06 | MoonEater_ | crys |
| 01:51.31 | Bounty | yeah im worried about that Deadzergling |
| 01:51.44 | Bounty | i mean i did look up these dudes |
| 01:51.47 | Bounty | all seems legit |
| 01:51.54 | Bounty | names phone number etc |
| 01:51.57 | Bounty | but still |
| 01:52.27 | Bounty | even though they siad im considered a contractor im pretty sure at some point i have to give my social on some sort of paper work to the gov |
| 01:52.29 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:52.47 | Unclesatan | Just make sure the documents came from the government |
| 01:52.51 | Unclesatan | or get them yourself |
| 01:53.09 | MoonEater_ | Bounty |
| 01:53.11 | Unclesatan | i guess |
| 01:53.12 | Unclesatan | that's not entirely possible |
| 01:53.12 | MoonEater_ | let me do it first |
| 01:53.13 | Unclesatan | in all cases |
| 01:53.15 | Bounty | Yeah i would think they will just have me mail them to the gov myself |
| 01:53.16 | MoonEater_ | i got nothing for them to take |
| 01:53.21 | MoonEater_ | ill pave the way |
| 01:53.45 | Unclesatan | honestly they would have some form for you to fill out and yeah you'd probably send that directly to whatever agency |
| 01:54.00 | Unclesatan | hopefully they didn't just make up the form |
| 01:54.08 | Bounty | it would be a gov agency right? |
| 01:54.10 | Bounty | i mean |
| 01:54.14 | Unclesatan | i guess you know what to look for now though |
| 01:54.21 | Bounty | this all seems like alot of work just to rip off some random map maker |
| 01:54.29 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:54.42 | DeadZergling | perhaps, but it is very little work to help you stress out over nothing |
| 01:54.51 | Bounty | that grant they sent me was like 20 pages |
| 01:55.40 | Unclesatan | indeed |
| 01:56.02 | MoonEater_ | the contracting company i do work for |
| 01:56.07 | MoonEater_ | highered me over the phone |
| 01:56.10 | MoonEater_ | from newyork |
| 01:56.39 | MoonEater_ | they just told me to show up at chase bank and reimage a computer |
| 01:56.40 | Bounty | they pretty much just hired me on the phone but we cant move forward with pay and actual working on the project until the grant is cleared |
| 01:56.41 | MoonEater_ | and i did it |
| 01:56.43 | MoonEater_ | XD |
| 01:56.58 | MoonEater_ | next day they skyped me to verify my identity for thier paperwork |
| 01:57.04 | Bounty | but they said we will have several meetings between now and then |
| 01:57.08 | MoonEater_ | been recieving paychecks ever since |
| 01:57.24 | Bounty | fuck that |
| 01:57.31 | Bounty | im not giving out my social on the phone |
| 01:57.31 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:58.57 | MoonEater_ | i did, i was worried like u |
| 01:59.07 | MoonEater_ | heck i would be if i was in your shoes |
| 01:59.18 | MoonEater_ | but take a risk, and an eye on my bank account |
| 01:59.29 | Bounty | not worth the risk |
| 01:59.33 | Bounty | not with kids |
| 01:59.34 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:59.47 | Bounty | not trying to double my money vs ruining my kids future |
| 01:59.55 | Bounty | hopefully there is a secure way to do this |
| 02:00.50 | MoonEater_ | well the bank |
| 02:00.55 | MoonEater_ | usaly ensures ur money |
| 02:00.58 | MoonEater_ | from fraud |
| 02:01.07 | Bounty | i would be more worried about my credit score |
| 02:01.10 | MoonEater_ | unless u commit gross neglagence |
| 02:01.14 | Unclesatan | i think if you use paypal and link it to your bank account, your social is on that |
| 02:01.34 | Unclesatan | and you would be able to do transactions and are a part of a bank so you're legit |
| 02:01.59 | Unclesatan | what paperwork would you need to fill out? |
| 02:02.04 | Bounty | no idea |
| 02:02.06 | Unclesatan | haha |
| 02:02.08 | Bounty | never done contractor work |
| 02:02.10 | Bounty | not like this |
| 02:02.11 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:02.27 | Unclesatan | well i would think your social only be needed for the taxes part |
| 02:02.32 | Bounty | yeah |
| 02:02.39 | Bounty | i dont see why i would need to send that to THEM though |
| 02:02.49 | Bounty | i would prefer to send that directly to uncle sam |
| 02:03.06 | Unclesatan | so if you have that automatically tied to your paypal//bank there's a big safeguard of never having to even use your social when dealing with yoru contractors at all |
| 02:03.22 | Unclesatan | if they deposit into your paypal |
| 02:03.59 | Bounty | i would prefer a check |
| 02:03.59 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:04.04 | Bounty | doesnt paypal take a cut? |
| 02:04.09 | Unclesatan | or you could fill out a bunch of paperwork at the bank and get auto deposit |
| 02:04.22 | Unclesatan | hasn't ever taken any of my money |
| 02:04.41 | Bounty | yeah but if i xfer paypal money to my bank account i thought they take a cut |
| 02:06.29 | Unclesatan | true that, i wonder why they don't take my money |
| 02:06.42 | Unclesatan | just looked it up, they should be |
| 02:07.15 | Unclesatan | well nevermind that then. if they're contractors they probably won't give you a W-4 so it probably won't be an issue anyway |
| 02:07.20 | Bounty | I'm gonna use this song for the vehicle selection/game setup menu theme of my Soviet Russia Kart Racer |
| 02:07.22 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2rQfG7A7vI |
| 02:07.24 | Bounty | :) |
| 02:07.33 | Bounty | we shall see |
| 02:10.54 | Unclesatan | http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Independent-Contractor-(Self-Employed)-or-Employee%3F |
| 02:11.05 | Unclesatan | i think this job is under the definition of providing a service for another business |
| 02:11.42 | Unclesatan | as you are the only one doing it |
| 02:11.43 | Unclesatan | lol |
| 02:12.00 | Unclesatan | it might be considered technically self-employed |
| 02:12.06 | Unclesatan | so you would probably have to fill out one of these |
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| 02:12.53 | Bounty | ah |
| 02:20.18 | MoonEater_ | how do i make a unit not get selected on drag? |
| 02:20.48 | Bounty | make it unselectable |
| 02:22.56 | Unclesatan | did you find out multiple players selecting the same building moon? |
| 02:23.07 | MoonEater_ | yes |
| 02:23.13 | MoonEater_ | the method i wanted wouldnt work |
| 02:23.29 | MoonEater_ | because i would try to spend the nuetral player's resources |
| 02:23.39 | MoonEater_ | i could possibly share it |
| 02:23.47 | MoonEater_ | but i decided to make a dummy unit |
| 02:24.15 | MoonEater_ | that when u select the shared building, it actualy makes u select a hidden building |
| 02:24.19 | Unclesatan | ah |
| 02:24.21 | Unclesatan | that's a great idea |
| 02:24.58 | MoonEater_ | the player might notice that the selection ring is gone |
| 02:25.12 | MoonEater_ | but this building mirrors the stats of the nuetral building |
| 02:25.21 | Unclesatan | meh not if you make it so the selection ring never was there! XD |
| 02:25.30 | MoonEater_ | it wont be |
| 02:25.34 | MoonEater_ | it instantly moves |
| 02:25.41 | MoonEater_ | ur selection |
| 02:25.45 | Unclesatan | right |
| 02:25.55 | Unclesatan | what was i thinking |
| 02:29.06 | Wrath | You can always use actors to simulate the selection ring |
| 02:29.54 | Wrath | Just find the model. |
| 02:33.42 | MoonEater_ | nono |
| 02:34.14 | MoonEater_ | Bounty |
| 02:34.22 | MoonEater_ | i need it to not select on box drag |
| 02:38.03 | Wrath | Ah. |
| 02:38.19 | Wrath | I take it you want drag select for other things? |
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| 02:51.43 | Lepton | is there a thing about not using bank preloading in a loop or something like that? |
| 02:51.45 | Lepton | i heard that once |
| 02:51.59 | Kueken | MoonEater_: Afaik the Interceptor model cannot be drag-selected |
| 02:52.17 | Kueken | Lepton: yes, you cannot use loops or variables |
| 02:52.29 | Lepton | Kueken, only for preloading? |
| 02:52.33 | Kueken | you need to manually type the name and player |
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| 02:52.36 | Kueken | yes |
| 02:52.38 | Lepton | bummer.. |
| 02:52.51 | Kueken | you can also import an XML file |
| 02:53.02 | Kueken | since thats essentially what the preload stuff does |
| 02:56.01 | Kueken | just import a file called BankList.xml with content like this: http://pastebin.com/gpi2q30K |
| 02:56.13 | Kueken | then you don't need the preload function anymore |
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| 03:07.05 | Lepton | ah |
| 03:10.45 | demalii | kueken, you happen to know where cliff variables are listed, like which xml? I've checked most of the terrain, terrainobjects, etc.. Perhaps Im not looking correctly, but I expect to see the textures listed as variables? |
| 03:11.11 | Kueken | no idea, sorry |
| 03:11.18 | demalii | kk np |
| 03:14.11 | Unclesatan | t3terrain.xml i believe |
| 03:14.28 | Unclesatan | yep |
| 03:14.32 | Unclesatan | pretty sure just looked |
| 03:15.24 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 03:15.26 | Unclesatan | i see texturelist in the middle of it |
| 03:15.32 | Unclesatan | hey jade! |
| 03:15.37 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 03:15.44 | Unclesatan | just sayin hi, i thought you were sayin sup |
| 03:15.49 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 03:16.14 | Lepton | lis it bad if I preload the bank of all players |
| 03:16.17 | Unclesatan | demalii did you find it? |
| 03:16.23 | Lepton | so if player 14 isnt in the game |
| 03:16.33 | Lepton | and i preload his bank |
| 03:16.37 | Lepton | not a big deal i guess? |
| 03:16.38 | JademusSreg | Lep, doesn't hurt in the least. |
| 03:16.53 | demalii | no unclesatan |
| 03:17.06 | demalii | i've got another 2 weeks of searching for the answer in me, so no worries |
| 03:17.21 | Lepton | btw JademusSreg I put all you guys in my map credits |
| 03:17.26 | Lepton | cause you helped me so much |
| 03:17.39 | Unclesatan | ^ |
| 03:18.09 | JademusSreg | On the contrary, there's no other way; one cannot make it account for absent players more than it already does, because the GUI action only accepts literal values (because it's actually an editor directive to add the bank to the preload list file). |
| 03:18.49 | Unclesatan | http://tinypic.com/r/w2g6qp/5 |
| 03:18.54 | Unclesatan | demalii |
| 03:18.59 | Unclesatan | if you couldn't find the t3Terrain file |
| 03:19.28 | demalii | ahhh was checking wrong asset, dude cheers |
| 03:20.12 | demalii | now hopefully I can edit this, import, and expect it to work! |
| 03:20.32 | Unclesatan | i don't know much about xml i was kinda taking a guess haha glad to help though |
| 03:21.30 | demalii | it looks like a step in the right direction since that's the file i've been looking for now for past 24 hours and failed miserably |
| 03:21.43 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 03:21.46 | Unclesatan | xD |
| 03:21.56 | Unclesatan | well it contains the texture variable names so i assumed that was what you wanted |
| 03:22.01 | demalii | sherlock holmes is who i need to complete the stupidest task with galaxy editor |
| 03:22.20 | Unclesatan | you and everyone else lmfao lucky we have Jade who is like sherlock incarnate |
| 03:22.23 | demalii | yes, I need to remove the vars and import and use the vars i choose instead |
| 03:22.48 | demalii | jade speaks in advanced riddles, which I'm not great at solving |
| 03:23.09 | demalii | not experienced in the ways he is unfortunately |
| 03:23.32 | Unclesatan | once i saw his xml UI documents i shat myself |
| 03:23.44 | demalii | yea i believe |
| 03:25.41 | Unclesatan | but really, i've struggled with programming forever |
| 03:25.46 | Unclesatan | understanding the logic of it all |
| 03:26.21 | Unclesatan | Jade is the first person that's actually been able to get it through my head |
| 03:26.24 | Unclesatan | lol.. |
| 03:26.32 | demalii | I mean, I've done programming since I was like 11 rly, but I'm just trying to find needles in the haystack, which take time unless someone helps |
| 03:26.44 | demalii | aww, that's nice |
| 03:26.53 | demalii | glad for you mate |
| 03:27.49 | Unclesatan | thanks! i've totally been attempting development of various games since i was about the same age, but could never grasp the programming end no matter how hard i tried |
| 03:27.56 | Unclesatan | i started on python and torque which was a mistake |
| 03:28.00 | demalii | ouch |
| 03:28.05 | demalii | i started with Qbasic |
| 03:28.11 | demalii | easy mode haha |
| 03:28.13 | Unclesatan | haha yeah that seems a bit more manageable |
| 03:28.31 | Unclesatan | but the logic of it all just escaped me for some reason |
| 03:28.41 | Unclesatan | at this point i could look at many languages and understand it alot better |
| 03:29.03 | Unclesatan | what are you making? |
| 03:29.13 | demalii | currently, basic shit |
| 03:29.19 | demalii | you've heard of bounding? |
| 03:29.28 | demalii | I can show you rly.. |
| 03:29.29 | Unclesatan | yes i was always terrible at them though |
| 03:29.32 | Unclesatan | sc2 needs them |
| 03:29.33 | demalii | ah right |
| 03:29.35 | demalii | well |
| 03:29.46 | demalii | I'm supposed to be the "imagination" to bring it to sc2 |
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| 03:29.57 | demalii | since I was dubbed "godfather of bounding" in sc1 |
| 03:30.08 | Unclesatan | oh i probably played some of your sc1 maps |
| 03:30.12 | Unclesatan | i was very very very into sc1 |
| 03:30.13 | demalii | but as you can see, my imagination surpasses the ease that the editor bring |
| 03:30.19 | demalii | ok, blulit bound x-pan |
| 03:30.35 | Unclesatan | yeah the blulit ones were the only ones i played |
| 03:30.41 | demalii | lol |
| 03:30.55 | demalii | yea that was the first bound to have bonus rounds |
| 03:31.00 | demalii | at least, I'm told |
| 03:31.10 | Repo | New announcement: JetCraft - http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/jet-craft/ |
| 03:31.22 | demalii | so in order for sc2 to have bounding again |
| 03:31.23 | Unclesatan | thank you for that Repo, JetCraft deserves it |
| 03:31.37 | demalii | it's gotta start with easy shiz, and i'm trying to release |
| 03:31.44 | demalii | but sob, i just need this cliff variance thing solved |
| 03:31.56 | demalii | I been doing it for 3 years now, by editing the mpq's |
| 03:32.03 | demalii | and now.. sometime in past 2-3 months |
| 03:32.25 | demalii | there was an update, so I can no longer just delete the variances from the asset and use that asset when loading editor, always the editor tries to repair the asset |
| 03:33.04 | demalii | that jetcraft looks cool |
| 03:33.33 | demalii | k im going to play guild wars 2 for a few, we got some people to kill |
| 03:33.43 | Unclesatan | nice, catch you later |
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| 03:43.05 | Zandose | how do i open the model viewer? last time someone said open console and type something in |
| 03:44.48 | Kueken | cutscene editor |
| 03:44.55 | Kueken | F11, I think |
| 03:45.29 | Kueken | nah |
| 03:45.34 | Kueken | shift+F7 |
| 03:45.36 | Kueken | :) |
| 03:45.56 | Zandose | ty |
| 03:47.38 | Zandose | I'm looking to make a straight basic line using a beam, any ideas what a good beam to use it? |
| 03:49.11 | Lepton | any of you wanna come try my map? |
| 03:49.26 | Zandose | do we have a choice? |
| 03:49.31 | Lepton | :( |
| 03:49.42 | Zandose | i ment that as a joke |
| 03:49.44 | Zandose | lead on |
| 03:49.47 | Lepton | its actually pretty fun |
| 03:49.56 | Lepton | it was on first page today |
| 03:49.58 | Lepton | now its second |
| 03:50.09 | Zandose | usually happens |
| 03:50.19 | Zandose | shiny object becomes less shiny |
| 03:50.44 | Lepton | i dont wanna force you |
| 03:50.50 | Lepton | i dont need tester or anything |
| 03:51.01 | Zandose | whats your map? |
| 03:51.30 | Lepton | its called sc2 micro tournament |
| 03:52.02 | Lepton | some micro map |
| 03:52.05 | Lepton | player vs player |
| 03:52.09 | Zandose | oh |
| 03:52.26 | Lepton | you know it? |
| 03:52.42 | Zandose | nope but then again i havent plays a sc2 map for a good while |
| 03:52.49 | Lepton | o rly |
| 03:52.55 | Lepton | most mapmakers dont play much |
| 03:53.01 | Lepton | it shouldnt be so |
| 03:53.03 | Lepton | :s |
| 03:53.28 | Lepton | what is your map? |
| 03:53.33 | Zandose | err. i can't find a good beam to use |
| 03:53.39 | Zandose | never published one |
| 03:53.48 | Zandose | i just like making things |
| 03:53.48 | Lepton | rly |
| 03:53.52 | Lepton | woah |
| 03:53.59 | Lepton | you know a lot of stuff |
| 03:54.01 | Lepton | about editor |
| 03:54.06 | Zandose | i think so |
| 03:54.07 | Lepton | how come you never published a map |
| 03:54.23 | Zandose | anything i want to make is too hard and the editor has limits |
| 03:54.36 | Zandose | i have plenty of unfinished works |
| 03:54.57 | Lepton | nice |
| 03:55.09 | Lepton | most great maps are unpopular |
| 03:55.11 | Lepton | its so sad |
| 03:55.22 | Zandose | example? |
| 03:56.33 | Zandose | i've just gained knownledge by doing wacky things |
| 03:57.35 | Zandose | ah found a suitable beam at last |
| 03:58.11 | Zandose | system almost compete. just need to make it do select texture by id |
| 04:00.02 | Zandose | time to study how to |
| 04:01.13 | Kueken | :D |
| 04:01.38 | Kueken | it is pretty unintuitive at first |
| 04:01.49 | Zandose | i tried once before and failed |
| 04:01.52 | Kueken | but once you get the hang of it, its not so hard |
| 04:02.39 | Lepton | Zandose, ive played many rly nice map |
| 04:02.40 | Unclesatan | lepton |
| 04:02.41 | Unclesatan | what's your map |
| 04:02.43 | Kueken | it has quite some nasty bugs as well |
| 04:02.51 | Zandose | bugs? |
| 04:03.26 | Kueken | hard to explain when you are not familiar with the method yet |
| 04:03.44 | Zandose | ill bug you later then |
| 04:03.51 | Kueken | but sometimes it can happen that the wrong texture gets swapped |
| 04:04.19 | Zandose | well i've hit my first snag |
| 04:04.38 | Kueken | that was fast :D |
| 04:04.58 | Zandose | says open previewer by going to data >preview model or press ctrl+shift+v |
| 04:05.01 | Zandose | nither work |
| 04:05.16 | Kueken | yeah, cutscene editor replaced previewer |
| 04:05.22 | Zandose | ah |
| 04:05.25 | Kueken | the tutorial is fairly outdated |
| 04:05.50 | Kueken | but the basic principle has not changed, so the core of the tutorial should still be valid |
| 04:06.08 | Zandose | why am i always using workarounds? |
| 04:06.28 | Kueken | is there any other way to get things done in this editor? |
| 04:06.35 | Zandose | ^ |
| 04:08.28 | Zandose | shoots himself |
| 04:08.36 | Zandose | cannot find prisonzealot |
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| 04:09.33 | Zandose | fine, screw the tutoral. |
| 04:09.57 | Wrath | Anybody know how to stop a model from inheriting rotation from its host? |
| 04:11.46 | Unclesatan | you can do it with actors |
| 04:11.49 | Unclesatan | idk about models |
| 04:11.57 | Wrath | That's what I mean, sorry. |
| 04:12.12 | Wrath | It's a model type actor. |
| 04:12.52 | Unclesatan | ah and you want it to not get the rotation from the unit |
| 04:12.54 | Unclesatan | ? |
| 04:13.22 | Unclesatan | there's values here |
| 04:13.39 | Unclesatan | Field bb Hosting: Host For Properties +Implicit:Implicit:(None):Disabled |
| 04:14.12 | Kueken | Zandose: did you add campaign dependencies? |
| 04:14.14 | Wrath | ... Sorry, what? |
| 04:14.31 | Wrath | Ohhhh |
| 04:14.34 | Wrath | You have it collapsed |
| 04:14.39 | Unclesatan | right sorry |
| 04:14.53 | Wrath | Uhhm yes that's what it is by default |
| 04:14.58 | Wrath | But it is inheriting rotation currently |
| 04:15.05 | Zandose | nope. i tried lid mult first then gave up. im just using the normal zealot now and hack my way though the totural |
| 04:15.06 | Kueken | Wrath: You can also add a site operation |
| 04:15.26 | Wrath | Won't that just offset it, Kue? |
| 04:15.43 | Kueken | there are a LOT of different site operations |
| 04:15.51 | Kueken | local offset is just one possibility |
| 04:15.54 | Wrath | Right |
| 04:16.06 | Kueken | try SOpForwardNorth for example |
| 04:16.22 | Kueken | that should make the actor always face north |
| 04:16.51 | Wrath | What if I want it to inherit once, and then rotate only via messages / rotators? |
| 04:18.00 | Wrath | I'd know how to do all that if it wasn't inheriting |
| 04:18.26 | Kueken | well, I am not sure if the sop disables the inheriting |
| 04:18.32 | Kueken | you would need to try that |
| 04:18.35 | Unclesatan | it does |
| 04:18.43 | Unclesatan | i noticed sop that sets height stops height inheritance |
| 04:18.58 | Unclesatan | i assume it works the same for others |
| 04:19.33 | Wrath | Right but I want one that also doesn't set the rotation |
| 04:19.34 | Wrath | :P |
| 04:19.42 | Wrath | I think I figured a way to do it in events/terms/actions though |
| 04:19.47 | Wrath | Reference Clear |
| 04:19.53 | Wrath | I'll clear it from host then set it to supporter |
| 04:20.07 | Wrath | Hope it works |
| 04:20.33 | Unclesatan | well, if you make your own site op based off of the rotation one, but set it so that the rotation values are 0, then add it to your actor after it's created, you could then send messages to it without inheriting, in theory |
| 04:20.52 | Unclesatan | maybe i'm misunderstanding though, you probably have it |
| 04:21.34 | Wrath | I think that would just force the rotation to be 0, though. I dunno. |
| 04:21.41 | Wrath | In any case, I managed to make it stop inheriting |
| 04:21.45 | Unclesatan | yeah i don't know how the rotation one works |
| 04:22.00 | Wrath | Now I just have to get it to reattach and follow in terms of position again |
| 04:22.01 | Unclesatan | nice either way |
| 04:23.18 | Unclesatan | ah |
| 04:23.22 | Unclesatan | rotationvariance sight op |
| 04:23.29 | Unclesatan | that makes it so that it rotates based on offset |
| 04:23.48 | Unclesatan | you could set that to 0 and it would not change anything |
| 04:24.05 | Unclesatan | interesting stuff sight ops are |
| 04:28.13 | Wrath | Welp, hasta luego |
| 04:53.33 | Unclesatan | i can use UnitFromId for a unitref right |
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| 04:56.09 | Unclesatan | oh, unitreffromunit |
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| 06:00.26 | demalii | unclesatan sorry, i'm looking at the image you sent earlier, and actually I'm not sure where you're looking to see that xml |
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| 06:05.41 | Unclesatan | really? I have my map saved as a components file that may be the difference |
| 06:06.10 | Unclesatan | oh and that is in the imports |
| 06:06.14 | Unclesatan | section |
| 06:06.20 | Unclesatan | import editor thing |
| 06:08.01 | Unclesatan | moon thanks for helping with that shared building thing, having a stack of buildings for every player looked ugly |
| 06:09.19 | Unclesatan | demalii ! can't find it still? |
| 06:09.36 | demalii | no worries, i won't waste anymore of your time |
| 06:09.39 | demalii | but much appriciated |
| 06:10.06 | Unclesatan | also moon i figured out how to hide hp bars pretty easily if you didn't know how already |
| 06:10.18 | Unclesatan | and lol i'm here to help! if id idn't want to help i'd log out xD |
| 06:10.32 | Unclesatan | really though you open up imports editor and can't find it? |
| 06:10.56 | demalii | mh, honestly I just don't think I'm experienced enough to take on this task, so i'll just throw in the towel hehe |
| 06:11.32 | Unclesatan | ahh ok, no prob then |
| 06:12.08 | demalii | like having to save my map as components and importing this and that, just too much nonsense |
| 06:12.17 | demalii | but learned some haha |
| 06:12.52 | Unclesatan | oh crap yeah i didn't know how much of a toll saving an already made map as a components file would be |
| 06:13.21 | Unclesatan | i did it because using galaxyscript you can just save your notepad++ doc into the sc2 file itself and test without saving the map in the editor, makes it alot easier |
| 06:13.43 | demalii | nice |
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| 06:14.16 | Unclesatan | yeah, i used to import the script files but jade's like wtf why |
| 06:14.23 | Unclesatan | lol.. |
| 06:14.24 | demalii | lol |
| 06:14.49 | Unclesatan | i'm trying to figure out shared buildings |
| 06:15.03 | Unclesatan | they had them in wc3 as neutral taverns, but sc2 doesn't really have anything like that |
| 06:15.07 | demalii | like, 1 building, all playyers can use? |
| 06:15.22 | Unclesatan | yeah, it glitches out when you make it shared |
| 06:15.25 | demalii | I did that for an rpg shop long time ago |
| 06:15.35 | demalii | but many maps i lost, i have an old backup |
| 06:15.40 | demalii | maybe it works on that, lemme check |
| 06:15.54 | Unclesatan | right, i need it for a shop and a hero tavern |
| 06:16.04 | Unclesatan | i had a quick fix for a long time but i need it to look pretty now |
| 06:16.07 | demalii | cross your fingers that this backup had it done =p |
| 06:16.12 | Unclesatan | xD! |
| 06:16.29 | Unclesatan | well the thing was is i added share control to the tavern i had, and suddenly my units would never build |
| 06:16.33 | Unclesatan | lol.. |
| 06:16.38 | demalii | hm |
| 06:18.04 | Unclesatan | mm maybe that wasn't why they're glitched out |
| 06:18.11 | demalii | doesn't look like i have what you need, just a trigger to make the items purched, go into inventory i believe for that player |
| 06:18.16 | duckies | you mean units won't build from shared building? |
| 06:18.35 | Unclesatan | well, the shared building wasn't truly shared when i first tried it |
| 06:18.58 | Unclesatan | i have a fix now where there's a dummy building that when you click on it, it will select an invisible building for you, so it's technically shared |
| 06:19.13 | Unclesatan | but now for some reason my units get stuck at 0 build time |
| 06:19.15 | Unclesatan | -.- |
| 06:19.26 | demalii | mine is for player 0 |
| 06:19.30 | duckies | heh, I did same thing for my shared building workaround :D |
| 06:19.32 | demalii | shop owner = p0 |
| 06:20.15 | Unclesatan | ahh yeah my shared was for player 0, i tried hostile player too xD |
| 06:20.23 | Unclesatan | oh i remember now |
| 06:20.38 | Unclesatan | wait maybe not |
| 06:20.40 | Unclesatan | forget what i just said |
| 06:20.48 | duckies | it looks like you've messed up something uncle, redo unit building again? :D |
| 06:21.11 | Unclesatan | lol yeah i messed something up somehow..wughh |
| 06:21.53 | demalii | why not do p0 and have it remove unit/create unit for owner of triggering progress unit |
| 06:22.07 | demalii | or something along those lines |
| 06:22.11 | Unclesatan | right i was just thinking that |
| 06:22.22 | demalii | here's my item into inventory trigger |
| 06:22.42 | Unclesatan | thats probably what i'll end up doing |
| 06:22.45 | demalii | maybe that can help you along the way |
| 06:23.04 | Unclesatan | yeah for sure, thanks! |
| 06:23.16 | demalii | actually, lemme post the trigger |
| 06:23.22 | demalii | what's the site for text? |
| 06:23.31 | duckies | pastebin? |
| 06:23.38 | Unclesatan | https://pastee.org/ |
| 06:23.50 | demalii | http://pastebin.com/sTRxqsFA |
| 06:24.19 | demalii | chop shop is name of the building.. just in case |
| 06:24.21 | Unclesatan | indeeed |
| 06:24.28 | Unclesatan | ah |
| 06:24.32 | demalii | so if you're building units.. |
| 06:25.03 | demalii | you could likely end the action trigger with something like "create unit for triggering player) |
| 06:25.40 | Unclesatan | right, and just have abilities as the command card |
| 06:25.55 | Unclesatan | i think ability events lag less |
| 06:26.12 | demalii | mh, there's always that |
| 06:26.14 | demalii | up to you |
| 06:26.30 | demalii | apparently there's 10 ways to do everything except change cliff variance haha |
| 06:26.40 | Unclesatan | looooooooool |
| 06:26.48 | Unclesatan | yeah my current issue is the units aren't building |
| 06:26.55 | Unclesatan | i think i know what it is though |
| 06:28.30 | demalii | well gl to you hehe |
| 06:30.02 | demalii | still curious as to finding that damn xml file haha |
| 06:30.14 | demalii | i want to punch blizz's babies sometimes |
| 06:32.23 | Unclesatan | it's strange that you can't just go into the import editor click see reserved and find it in the list |
| 06:32.34 | Unclesatan | i just wanna know why my units aren't creating though xD |
| 06:32.46 | Unclesatan | actually i think i might know for a 2nd time |
| 06:32.48 | Unclesatan | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 06:32.49 | demalii | ROFL |
| 06:33.25 | demalii | are you certain everything is linked together correctly? |
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| 06:33.36 | demalii | since you said you're using invis buildings per player? |
| 06:33.41 | Wrath | Yoyo |
| 06:33.46 | demalii | hey man |
| 06:34.19 | demalii | think jade would solve my cliff problem if i pay him 20 bucks? |
| 06:34.28 | Wrath | Hmmmmmmmmmmm. |
| 06:34.38 | Wrath | I think that depends on how interesting of a problem it is. |
| 06:34.41 | demalii | lol |
| 06:34.45 | demalii | probably not to him |
| 06:34.50 | Wrath | :P Then no. |
| 06:35.11 | Wrath | Right now I'm working on making a unit move without turning |
| 06:35.12 | demalii | 20 dollers and a pack of trident layers? |
| 06:35.16 | Wrath | And then turn via rotator actors instead |
| 06:35.17 | Wrath | :| |
| 06:35.33 | demalii | noice |
| 06:35.49 | Wrath | Yeah... I've almost got it to turn to the right |
| 06:36.41 | demalii | I've saved a map as components, and i'm trying to import assets to see those xmls? and map is saying the files names are reserved and can't import |
| 06:36.53 | demalii | that's what im doing, just being denied |
| 06:37.20 | Unclesatan | they should already be there |
| 06:37.46 | Unclesatan | when you click on the "see reserved" box on the top right it doesn't show you the list? |
| 06:38.01 | demalii | oh yes |
| 06:38.56 | demalii | wow, my xml has like 10 lines |
| 06:39.03 | demalii | fun! |
| 06:39.42 | Unclesatan | the t3Terrain one? |
| 06:39.58 | Unclesatan | o.o |
| 06:40.05 | demalii | on that components map |
| 06:40.21 | demalii | so checking the map i need on, i'll see about that |
| 06:43.41 | Wrath | Does anybody know how to have a model actor create a rotator actor and then add it to its site operations? |
| 06:43.52 | demalii | so is that xml just showing what's been placed already? because there's about 1k lines of " <cc i="6363" f="0" cid="1" cvar="0"/>" |
| 06:44.26 | demalii | sry no wrath |
| 06:44.29 | Unclesatan | I know how to add site ops to actors with galaxyscript |
| 06:44.35 | Unclesatan | not with GUI though, that's a toughie |
| 06:44.42 | Wrath | Not with the GUI I mean |
| 06:44.48 | Wrath | I have an actor |
| 06:44.52 | Unclesatan | here let me find it |
| 06:44.53 | Wrath | That gets sent a signal from another actor |
| 06:45.04 | Unclesatan | ahh |
| 06:45.06 | Wrath | On that signal it needs to add the rotator to its host site operations |
| 06:45.52 | Wrath | Initially I thought just creating the rotator on that actor would do it but no |
| 06:46.01 | Unclesatan | so your one actor tells the other actor to have a rotation sop |
| 06:46.17 | Wrath | That's what I want yes |
| 06:46.18 | Unclesatan | what's wrong with creating the rotator on the actor itself? |
| 06:46.30 | Wrath | The actor sending the signal is a unit actor |
| 06:46.33 | Wrath | And it needs a unit event |
| 06:46.36 | Wrath | (Gaining a behavior) |
| 06:46.40 | Unclesatan | ahj |
| 06:47.41 | Unclesatan | so basically once it gets a behaviour you want it to send the signal to a specific actor |
| 06:47.52 | Unclesatan | and you're using |
| 06:47.54 | Unclesatan | events editor for actors yes |
| 06:48.11 | Wrath | Yes |
| 06:50.02 | Unclesatan | so the unit actor doesn't want to be rotated, something else |
| 06:50.09 | Unclesatan | i see a behaviour event in the event editor |
| 06:50.51 | Unclesatan | but how to send an actor message to a different actor is perplexing me, perhaps you can add the behaviour event to the actor you want rotated, and make the source of the behaviour be the unit |
| 06:51.36 | Wrath | Not possible as the actor is not linked directly to the unit, and you can't set the source of the behavior |
| 06:51.40 | Wrath | But the signal is working fine |
| 06:51.46 | Wrath | It's the Signal action |
| 06:51.59 | Wrath | I tested it and it's registering fine but |
| 06:52.11 | Wrath | I can't get the actor to properly add the rotator to its operations |
| 06:52.21 | Dogmai | Is ishadowwolf tainted or fockewulf? |
| 06:52.34 | Dogmai | I think it is tainted -_- |
| 06:53.33 | Unclesatan | so the attach direct action doesn't work for you? |
| 06:54.01 | Wrath | I'm not using that action |
| 06:54.06 | Wrath | I'm trying to use Host Site Operations Set |
| 06:54.09 | Unclesatan | signal happens, actor gets signal, attach fails |
| 06:54.16 | Unclesatan | ahh |
| 06:54.18 | Wrath | Signal happens, actor gets signal |
| 06:54.22 | Wrath | Good up to that point |
| 06:54.27 | Wrath | I thought just creating the rotator would work |
| 06:54.29 | Wrath | It didn't |
| 06:54.35 | Wrath | Now I am trying Host Site Operations Set |
| 06:54.40 | Wrath | It is failing |
| 06:56.30 | Wrath | Interesting |
| 06:56.39 | Wrath | I think I can do it now |
| 06:56.58 | Unclesatan | if that doesn't work i might have an idea |
| 07:00.23 | Wrath | I'm going to have the actor create an event macro actor |
| 07:00.41 | Wrath | And that event macro actor will handle the creation and removal of the rotators on its host |
| 07:05.25 | Wrath | It's not working. :/ |
| 07:06.06 | demalii | aha, I'm so close to making a new cliffside set, but I can't set the directory for the mesh variances, just 1 of the meshes itself, how did blizz set directories |
| 07:06.45 | Kueken | Wrath: Event Macros are not supposed to be created |
| 07:07.04 | Wrath | Ah. |
| 07:07.12 | Kueken | they serve as a hub for a bunch of events to easily add to another actor |
| 07:07.20 | Wrath | Ahhhh. |
| 07:07.22 | Wrath | >.< |
| 07:07.23 | Wrath | Scrub life. |
| 07:07.25 | Kueken | every actor has a field to add macros |
| 07:07.28 | Wrath | Uhm, I need something that I can create |
| 07:07.38 | Wrath | So that my model actor will be its host |
| 07:07.40 | Wrath | Whose only purpose |
| 07:07.41 | Kueken | could you specify? |
| 07:07.55 | Wrath | It needs to be entirely invisible |
| 07:07.58 | Wrath | And its only purpose |
| 07:08.02 | Wrath | Is to set the host site operations |
| 07:08.07 | Wrath | Of the model actor that created it |
| 07:08.11 | Wrath | After receiving signals |
| 07:08.26 | Wrath | I tried to have my model actor set its own host site operations and it didn't work |
| 07:08.35 | Wrath | Setting its host's host site operations worked |
| 07:09.06 | Kueken | I tried changing site operations dynamically, so far I only got it to work with error messages |
| 07:09.26 | Wrath | I got it to set the host's host site operations without error |
| 07:09.35 | Wrath | So I think if I host something on this |
| 07:09.41 | Wrath | I can have that thing set its host site operations |
| 07:09.56 | Wrath | I just need an invisible placeholder actor to manage these events |
| 07:09.59 | Kueken | care to post the events, so I can try for myself? |
| 07:10.37 | Wrath | Ah well it's not that simple |
| 07:10.41 | Kueken | well, you could use a Simple actor |
| 07:10.48 | Wrath | I have a unit with invisible model |
| 07:11.00 | Wrath | That unit creates a model actor with the hellion model on birth |
| 07:11.16 | Kueken | copy the XML data to pastebin |
| 07:14.21 | Wrath | http://pastebin.com/VYhLKMXU |
| 07:14.47 | demalii | unclesatan just if you have a minute later perhaps you can check on something for me ^^ |
| 07:15.17 | Wrath | Ah whoops that macro event is old |
| 07:15.21 | Wrath | In the KartModel actor |
| 07:15.24 | Wrath | Lemme get rid of that |
| 07:16.41 | Wrath | So's the inherit type.. |
| 07:16.55 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 07:17.00 | Wrath | So, basically |
| 07:17.03 | Wrath | Kart creates KartModel |
| 07:17.08 | Kueken | there is a Host Site Ops Set actor message |
| 07:17.16 | Wrath | Yeah, that was a test |
| 07:17.17 | Unclesatan | sup demalii? |
| 07:17.18 | Wrath | Didn't work |
| 07:17.19 | Kueken | that didn't exist last time I tried it |
| 07:17.40 | Wrath | :D I inadvertantly showed you something new! |
| 07:17.42 | Wrath | Yaaaay! |
| 07:18.21 | Wrath | Kart is invisible and creates KartModel, which is a hellion. KartModel has a variancer rotation site op to stop its rotation inheritance from Kart. |
| 07:18.32 | Wrath | When Kart gains a behavior it sends a signal to KartModel |
| 07:18.34 | Kueken | yes |
| 07:18.42 | Wrath | Which needs to add Rotator A to KartModel |
| 07:18.42 | demalii | ok I'm just trying to reimport the mesh i need, to create a new cliffside.. I get everything done I think except I can't figure this out, in the DE, goto terrain cliff mesh tab, and select anything there.. on the right under basic model path, you see directories listed, not actual textures |
| 07:18.50 | Wrath | After the Rotation Stopper |
| 07:18.56 | Wrath | So that it starts rotating in the direction I want it |
| 07:18.58 | demalii | Can you figure out how a directory is listed? seems all i can set is 1 texture |
| 07:19.01 | Wrath | (At exactly the unit's turn rate) |
| 07:19.24 | Kueken | and it doesn't work at all so far? |
| 07:19.32 | Wrath | Everything except the Host Site Ops Set |
| 07:19.41 | Wrath | I can't get the Rotator to start working |
| 07:19.44 | Kueken | kk, playing with that |
| 07:19.54 | Wrath | It worked from KartModel setting Kart |
| 07:19.58 | Wrath | Which isn't what I want, was just a test |
| 07:21.09 | Kueken | wait, how did it work? |
| 07:21.33 | Kueken | when KartModel sent the message to Kart instead? |
| 07:21.37 | Unclesatan | so the model path only has one model to choose from? |
| 07:21.58 | Unclesatan | or you're saying the imported files you had don't have directories |
| 07:21.59 | demalii | well, everything else lists directories, which is what i want to do |
| 07:22.10 | demalii | the imported files are in a directory |
| 07:22.21 | demalii | and I want the basic model path to be that directory |
| 07:22.26 | Wrath | KartModel took signal from Kart |
| 07:22.32 | Wrath | And set Kart's host site operations |
| 07:22.38 | Wrath | To include the rotator |
| 07:22.40 | Wrath | Which worked |
| 07:22.40 | demalii | but it doesn't let me select a directory, like the rest of the terrain cliff meshes show |
| 07:22.45 | Kueken | via Target field? |
| 07:22.57 | Wrath | No, the first field below the action name |
| 07:23.00 | Wrath | :| |
| 07:23.05 | Wrath | Maybe I am doing it wrong |
| 07:23.18 | Wrath | I am not sure what that other field could be for then |
| 07:23.29 | Wrath | Ah perhaps I know |
| 07:23.32 | Kueken | not sure either |
| 07:23.34 | Wrath | You set target in target field |
| 07:23.37 | Wrath | And target's host in host field |
| 07:23.43 | Wrath | And then the site ops you want in the last field |
| 07:23.46 | Wrath | Perhaps |
| 07:23.48 | Unclesatan | oh so instead of a specific model you just want it to get all the models in the directory? |
| 07:23.55 | demalii | yes |
| 07:24.00 | Unclesatan | hmm |
| 07:24.05 | demalii | so that i can just create my own cliffside and try to avoid all this nonsense |
| 07:24.22 | demalii | and reimport the files i need (i know that's a bad way to do this) |
| 07:24.36 | demalii | but i thought it would work, can't select directory though |
| 07:25.25 | Unclesatan | you have to change it to raw data and edit the value manuall i believe |
| 07:25.26 | Unclesatan | Assets\Cliffs\##id##\ |
| 07:25.28 | Wrath | Also, because it is says Set, I am including operations originally on the actor |
| 07:25.33 | Wrath | I assume it erases them |
| 07:25.57 | Unclesatan | that will i assume include the entire directory you want |
| 07:26.11 | Unclesatan | that's how they did it with the other cliffs |
| 07:26.39 | Unclesatan | ##id## being the id name of the cliff |
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| 07:26.57 | Unclesatan | you can change that to whatever you like i'm sure |
| 07:27.55 | demalii | hm |
| 07:28.05 | demalii | i would type that in the search field? |
| 07:28.22 | Unclesatan | no as the basic model path |
| 07:28.35 | Unclesatan | in raw data mode you can type the values in directly to the editor without opening little dialog boxes |
| 07:28.40 | demalii | ohhhh yea |
| 07:28.41 | demalii | ok ok |
| 07:28.50 | demalii | let me mess with that, thanks so much |
| 07:28.54 | Unclesatan | np |
| 07:29.13 | Unclesatan | i'm giong to take a bath, i might be on later |
| 07:29.23 | Unclesatan | hope that works out for you |
| 07:29.29 | demalii | hey listen uncle, if i get this, i owe you |
| 07:31.15 | Unclesatan | ahaha psshhhhhhh that's what this chat thing is for right to get help! you can owe me a round of testing how bout that |
| 07:31.26 | Unclesatan | :p |
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| 07:31.59 | demalii | this right here is stopping me from bringing bounding back, so i owe you more than that =p |
| 07:32.32 | Wrath | JademusSreg: Are you here? |
| 07:33.04 | JademusSreg | Sleeping imminently. |
| 07:33.06 | Kueken | Wrath: try <On Terms="ActorCreation" Send="HostSiteOpsSet ::Host {KartRotationStopper KartRotatorA}"/> |
| 07:33.16 | Wrath | I tried it, it didn't work |
| 07:33.23 | Kueken | works for me |
| 07:33.25 | Wrath | Jademus, do you know of the actor action Host Site Operations Set? |
| 07:33.27 | Wrath | ... |
| 07:33.29 | Kueken | only while moving, though |
| 07:33.30 | Wrath | Okay, I'll try it again. |
| 07:33.54 | Kueken | but that is a problem that can be sorted out |
| 07:33.57 | Wrath | Oh wait |
| 07:34.00 | Wrath | On Actor Creation? |
| 07:34.08 | Wrath | Why on Actor Creation? |
| 07:34.27 | Wrath | I guess that was just for your test |
| 07:34.31 | Wrath | I'm gonna try it on my signal event |
| 07:34.51 | Unclesatan | Man you are having so much trouble with that Wrath, it makes me happy how easy it is to edit sop and unit properties with galaxyscript.. i feel like i should be helping but i just know nothing about the actor events editor |
| 07:35.11 | Wrath | lol. I need this to happen on very specific terms though. |
| 07:35.22 | Wrath | It makes sense to do with actors, this is just an unknown action |
| 07:35.29 | Wrath | Albeit with very useful applications |
| 07:36.16 | Unclesatan | well galaxyscript can be really specific, but you're probably doing it the right way, it's just easier for me that's all |
| 07:36.18 | Wrath | HEY YEAH! |
| 07:36.20 | Wrath | It worked! |
| 07:36.23 | Unclesatan | have you tried the Attach action |
| 07:36.29 | Wrath | Kue I could make out with you right now |
| 07:36.30 | Unclesatan | nice! |
| 07:36.31 | Wrath | But I doubt you want that |
| 07:36.37 | Wrath | So instead, thank you |
| 07:36.59 | Kueken | :-* |
| 07:37.41 | Unclesatan | also demalii hopefully it won't give you any more issues, either way i'm going now, maybe see you guys in an hour or so |
| 07:37.44 | Kueken | only works while moving though, and resists my usual methods of fixing that issue |
| 07:38.27 | Wrath | This is veeery useful in any case |
| 07:38.33 | Kueken | well, if everything fails, you can still attach an invisible dark warp prism and regulate its animation speed :D |
| 07:38.55 | Kueken | thats what I used before rotator sops existed |
| 07:39.00 | demalii | cheers uncle |
| 07:39.33 | Wrath | Ironically I only want it to work while it's moving |
| 07:40.23 | Wrath | YESSSS! Ahahaha. |
| 07:40.39 | Wrath | I know have my model rotating exactly as the unit turns |
| 07:40.41 | Wrath | Via rotator |
| 07:40.57 | Kueken | if you prefer, it should be possible the other way around as well, attaching the unit model to an invisible model actor |
| 07:41.11 | Kueken | would save you the trouble of handling all the animations in the model actor |
| 07:41.26 | Wrath | I think it's only those 2 walk events that I have to worry about |
| 07:42.49 | Kueken | just tested it, works fine |
| 07:45.27 | Wrath | WHOOOO! I now have a hellion that drives forwards with W, backwards (without turning) with D, in a left-wards circle with WA, and a right-wards circle with WD |
| 07:45.54 | Wrath | I've never seen a unit go straight backwards before |
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| 07:46.13 | Wrath | I'm pretty happy. Thanks for your help. |
| 07:46.26 | Wrath | This makes a Mario Kart inspired game very possible. |
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| 07:53.37 | Zolden | Kueken this time I was first |
| 08:10.10 | demalii | if I import something to Base.SC2Assets\Assets\Cliffs... |
| 08:10.32 | demalii | I would expect it to import into that same directory as the mpq itself? |
| 08:19.19 | Wrath | Soooooo maaaany conditions |
| 08:19.22 | Wrath | asdkjgajksdgjk |
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| 08:29.46 | Wrath | WOOT! |
| 08:30.04 | demalii | grats? |
| 08:30.33 | Wrath | :D Thanks. I have my hellion fully functional. |
| 08:31.05 | Wrath | Had to add a lot of conditions to prevent people from breaking the controls |
| 08:31.11 | Wrath | Otherwise they could end up... |
| 08:31.17 | Wrath | Moving backwards with their hellion spinning in circles |
| 08:31.18 | Wrath | lol |
| 08:32.21 | demalii | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.28 | demalii | well grats on knocking that one out |
| 08:32.54 | Wrath | Thanks :) |
| 08:33.03 | Wrath | Would you be interested in hopping on NA to test it with me? |
| 08:33.06 | Wrath | I want to see the delay |
| 08:33.08 | Wrath | Of the control scheme |
| 08:37.59 | demalii | yea sure man |
| 08:38.02 | demalii | give me 30 seconds |
| 08:38.13 | Wrath | K, lemme just check some settings |
| 08:40.35 | Wrath | Aight gonna publish |
| 08:40.43 | Wrath | What's your battlenet info? |
| 08:40.49 | demalii | demalii.104 |
| 08:40.52 | demalii | i'll get on |
| 08:42.03 | Wrath | Nice! I got the name Star Karts. |
| 08:55.03 | demalii | fun name! |
| 09:27.56 | demalii | well im off then, I seem to have gotten everything working except the imported mesh files showing up, which is the main part =p |
| 09:28.01 | demalii | until tmrw i guess |
| 09:28.35 | Zolden | papercuts duckies |
| 09:33.27 | duckies | drowns zolden in owns blood caused by papercut |
| 09:33.57 | duckies | hold on, I never was that violent, what is wrong with me! |
| 09:34.33 | duckies | mixes a nice drink of own blood and ice and presents it to zolden unnoticed |
| 09:34.47 | duckies | there, much better |
| 09:35.25 | duckies | suddenly remember that his blood is enchanted to turn anyone who tastes it into a duckling |
| 09:37.56 | Zolden | finishes "duck's behaving after papercut" paper and sends it to "ducks and humans" magazine |
| 09:39.25 | duckies | oh no, now everyone will know what a violent d*ck I am :< |
| 09:39.33 | duckies | why am I censoring "duck"? :/ |
| 09:39.57 | duckies | something must be seriossly wrong with me |
| 09:40.56 | Zolden | finishes "duck's reaction on a fake message about finishing an article about duck" paper and sends it to "violence" magazine |
| 09:42.03 | duckies | rests on a pillow and starts to snooze |
| 09:42.41 | duckies | enough for today, must reset my duck systems |
| 09:42.50 | duckies | shutsdown |
| 09:43.13 | Zolden | picks a phone and says "come, he's ready" |
| 09:43.25 | Zolden | waiting |
| 09:44.54 | duckies|off | is having a nightmare about giant zoldens shooting ducks with bizzare pig-lookalike cannons |
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| 09:48.09 | Zolden | calls again to the giant pig and says "crap, it's off, he knows and prepared by training in his dreams, his subconsciousness protected him! Go back to the swamps and wait for the signal. Don't worry, one day we will get him! ... And I - you, bye" |
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| 10:18.37 | Unclesatan | goodnight mapsters |
| 10:24.50 | Zolden | I don't answer to goodnights when it's not night, you, underworld |
| 10:26.17 | G0A | they are on the bad/dark side of the earth! |
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| 10:33.58 | Zolden | a few more unfounded goodnights and we're sending shining angels to raid your darkness! |
| 10:34.52 | Zolden | to rape your women in the ass with the burning swords |
| 10:34.59 | Zolden | yea, it's good to be on the bright side |
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| 12:13.39 | Zolden | unducks duckies, so he's now a mortal human |
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| 13:11.59 | Zolden | ha! |
| 13:12.16 | Zolden | eat this! |
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| 13:13.12 | Zolden | how is it? to be a normal guy? don't like it? well, tyou better get used to it! (to avoid the well known kind of depression that superheroes suffer from after something turned them to a regular condition without super powers) |
| 13:13.57 | Zolden | get a job in a cubicle, get a fat wife and stupid kids |
| 13:14.11 | regular_guy | is sad. Reminiscing his days of past he slowly sinks into depression doing nothing but staring at sc2MapEditor. As days go buy he eats unhealthy food, works at low-paying job, all to create something that would fill the emptyness withing, emptiness which used to be filled with the awesomeness of being a duck :| |
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| 13:15.38 | regular_guy | though developed human limbs is certanly a plus, I'm finding them handy |
| 13:15.45 | Zolden | writing another article to send it to the "unducked!" magazine |
| 13:15.56 | Ahli | hi, anyone knows which style is used in unit tooltips to show the name of the unit owner? |
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| 13:16.57 | Zolden | hope the great duckificizer won't help you, normal guy, before I finish my article or before you duckicide |
| 13:17.34 | Zolden | Ahli have 2die created a hell-wall? |
| 13:17.46 | Ahli | no |
| 13:17.56 | regular_guy | I'm sure it won't after all how can it help me if I don't know anything abo- |
| 13:18.04 | regular_guy | hmmmmmmm |
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| 13:19.14 | SaVi | heyo |
| 13:19.19 | Zolden | sends sscouts around to report me if the great duckificizer approaches |
| 13:19.48 | SaVi | is it possible to trigger a upgrade with a ability? |
| 13:20.02 | Zolden | SaVi yea |
| 13:20.18 | regular_guy | so how do you fly using this human body, I attempted to do it a few times but so far my every attempt ended with ambulance transporting my broken body away to some strange place with strange people.. it smells funny there, I don't think I like it :\ |
| 13:21.17 | Zolden | regular_guy but still you can quack alot, just go to a central mall, or to a square, and quack on people to get bread |
| 13:22.03 | regular_guy | I tried, they hit me.. repeatedly.. humans are so unkind to other humans. I'm glad that they at least have the decency to acknowledge ducks |
| 13:22.22 | Zolden | omg, scouts reported that the great duckificiser is here! |
| 13:22.34 | regular_guy | :~O |
| 13:22.45 | Zolden | calls and says to the phone: hey, giant pig, i've got a work for you |
| 13:22.50 | Zolden | he will take care |
| 13:22.56 | Zolden | i trust the giant pig |
| 13:23.04 | Zolden | he knows his work |
| 13:23.11 | regular_guy | approaches duckificiser |
| 13:23.33 | Zolden | nervously waiting for the giant pig |
| 13:23.36 | regular_guy | asks if duckificiser would like to be his friend |
| 13:24.06 | SaVi | But its not possible to set it on autocast |
| 13:24.08 | regular_guy | has a sudden urge to grab duckificiser and run away |
| 13:24.18 | SaVi | damn |
| 13:24.23 | Zolden | answers the rining phone: what? what traffic? bitch, you better hurry! can't pigs fly? only in pink floyd lsd songs? crap |
| 13:24.51 | regular_guy | reaches his hand towards duckificiser |
| 13:25.17 | regular_guy | wanders about the light coming out of duckificiser. beams are pretty |
| 13:25.18 | Zolden | SaVi you can set another abil on autocast that would issue orders to perform the upgrade abil |
| 13:25.38 | SaVi | But I have to show both in the command card, right? |
| 13:26.11 | Zolden | answers the ringing phone: what? what macdonalds! you can do it after you finish your job! yes you can! YOU BETTER DO IT BITCH |
| 13:26.44 | Zolden | hits wall with anger, mumbling "stupid pig!" |
| 13:26.57 | regular_guy | has a strange feeling on his back, feels like something is growing |
| 13:27.44 | Zolden | trying to call the pig, but his phone doesn' answer |
| 13:28.08 | regular_guy | has an immense feeling of familiarity... something.. is going... to quuu..aa... |
| 13:28.30 | regular_guy | vanishes in an explosion of light |
| 13:28.39 | Zolden | shouts to the approaching giant pig: WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN, YOU FAT MOTHERFUCKERS! GO GET THEM! LOOK WHAT THEY ARE DOING! |
| 13:28.41 | DUCKZILLA | RAAAAAAAAAAAWR!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 13:28.59 | DUCKZILLA | I .. remember now |
| 13:29.08 | DUCKZILLA | throws duckificiser at zolden |
| 13:29.13 | Zolden | gets to the fat pig's car and dives away |
| 13:29.50 | Kueken1 | I think I entered the wrong channel accidentaly |
| 13:29.52 | DUCKZILLA | shouts: "I'll remember this Z, it's not over untill-" |
| 13:30.01 | DUCKZILLA | poofs |
| 13:30.10 | duckies | quack? |
| 13:30.27 | Zolden | facepalms... all attempts in vain |
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| 13:30.39 | duckies | goes away to bother some old lady for bread |
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| 13:31.39 | Zolden | calls mr giant pig, listens the ring of the pigs phone he forgot in the car |
| 13:32.42 | Zolden | Kueken it's the right chatl, look, there are still 0.15: of mapping related messages |
| 13:32.55 | Zolden | 0.15% |
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| 13:34.40 | duckies | has some blanks in his memory, feels like he made something ..impossible, something he was sure he needed needed to show everyone.... what was he doing all this time?.. meh, probably not as important as getting fed by old lady in the park :> |
| 13:36.22 | duckies | but what is this irrational fear of pigs I wonder.. eh, nothing that quacking loudly wouldn't cure =D |
| 13:36.43 | Zolden | duckies relax, maybe a dream last night |
| 13:36.49 | Zolden | nothing to worry about |
| 13:37.08 | Zolden | maybe hooligans gave you a wrong bread |
| 13:37.21 | duckies | I bet you're right, thanks friend, I can always count on you to show me the light! |
| 13:37.49 | Zolden | no problems, you're welcome buddy, I'm here for you |
| 13:38.08 | duckies | passes zolden a chunk of bread given by lady |
| 13:38.16 | duckies | I appreciate it. |
| 13:38.26 | Zolden | yea, yea |
| 13:38.49 | Zolden | throws the bread to the back seat of the car, checking the watch, "where is the pig again" |
| 13:39.32 | Zolden | hypocritically smiles to the naive duck |
| 13:39.54 | duckies | stretches his wings and prepares to do some flying, the body feels rusty for some reason |
| 13:40.24 | duckies | smiles back at zolden with the kindes smile that his beak can form |
| 13:40.57 | Zolden | hey, duckies, if you will by a chance notice a giant pig from your high skies, tell me please, I can't get in touch with him, he's a delivery boy, and I'm afraid he ate the pizza I ordered |
| 13:41.41 | duckies | will sure do, zolden, my pleasure to be of help. |
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| 13:46.59 | Zolden | everyone uses 2-legged robots these days |
| 13:47.00 | Zolden | http://icdn.lenta.ru/images/2013/07/10/17/20130710172002509/detail_95723a4880d3dfa0fbdc773ad960743f.jpg |
| 13:47.05 | Zolden | the civ5 one |
| 13:50.40 | Ahli | what did use them first? |
| 13:52.25 | Zolden | i'm not a culturologist, but I remember terminator 2, robocop, a very old zx-spectrum game where you control a robot |
| 13:52.48 | Zolden | there should be earlier examples |
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| 14:08.51 | Zolden | any opinions anyone? http://i.snag.gy/L7iI4.jpg |
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| 14:15.00 | G0A | lol zolden |
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| 14:15.31 | G0A | bit similar to those drones in Matrix 3 :D |
| 14:15.55 | Zolden | is it ugly? |
| 14:18.33 | Ahli | what did you do to the terrain? |
| 14:19.59 | Zolden | it's just water height = 8, it's a default situation in cutscene editor if no map loaded/created |
| 14:23.21 | Dogmai | anyone want to come test a map with dry and I |
| 14:23.21 | Dogmai | we need 2 more |
| 14:24.48 | Dogmai | Ahli: Dustin |
| 14:25.07 | Ahli | a map? |
| 14:25.24 | Dogmai | yea |
| 14:25.31 | Dogmai | a game o_O |
| 14:25.35 | Dogmai | na |
| 14:25.44 | Ahli | channel? |
| 14:26.47 | Ahli | Dogmai: |
| 14:27.00 | Dogmai | i dont know how to enter a channel |
| 14:27.09 | Ahli | main screen center right is a text field |
| 14:27.37 | Dogmai | ah |
| 14:27.38 | Dogmai | tma |
| 14:27.40 | Dogmai | thanks mate |
| 14:27.41 | Dogmai | > tma |
| 14:29.03 | Dogmai | zolden |
| 14:29.05 | Dogmai | g0a |
| 14:29.06 | Dogmai | need 1 more |
| 14:30.42 | Zolden | i'll pass |
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| 14:32.45 | Dustin | supp |
| 14:32.50 | Dustin | Im working or I would :( |
| 14:52.35 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 14:52.59 | Zolden | he was asked to give a blowjob |
| 14:56.52 | Dogmai | JademusSreg: |
| 14:56.54 | Dogmai | come |
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| 15:16.05 | JademusSreg | ? |
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| 15:58.50 | G0A | :D http://thedailyblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/998327_10151493241685911_2024715874_n.jpg |
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| 16:01.26 | Zolden | who's at left? nixon? |
| 16:04.17 | G0A | yes |
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| 16:37.44 | Zolden | nice trolling -> http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jul/10/mark-cavendish-sprayed-with-urine-tour-de-france |
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| 17:46.19 | Ahli | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/trigger-libraries/55160-sonic-ping-a-network-latency-measuring-script/#p1 this looks interesting |
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| 17:55.56 | G0A | wow this game looks awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q6UQ2QlRH0 |
| 17:58.18 | Lepton | these games can be as fun as modern high graphic gmes |
| 17:58.39 | Lepton | i still play mario kart and golden eye sometimes and have as much fun as when playing bf3 |
| 17:59.46 | G0A | golden eye |
| 17:59.47 | G0A | :D |
| 18:00.50 | Lepton | so much memories playing his game |
| 18:01.00 | Lepton | and losing to my older brother |
| 18:01.02 | Ahli | a fast FPS game, wohooo |
| 18:01.12 | Lepton | and getting a beating the rare times i did win |
| 18:01.18 | Lepton | irl beating that is |
| 18:01.32 | Lepton | ahhh, good momories |
| 18:04.34 | Lepton | guyse |
| 18:04.36 | Lepton | GUYSE |
| 18:05.03 | Lepton | is there a way to encrypt bank with the editor? |
| 18:05.17 | Lepton | like without 3rd party stuff |
| 18:05.37 | Dogmai | Ahli, G0A wanna play another game? |
| 18:05.41 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 18:05.43 | Dogmai | We made a few changes |
| 18:05.48 | Dogmai | JademusSreg you can come |
| 18:05.57 | Lepton | whats the game guyse? |
| 18:06.15 | Dogmai | evolves |
| 18:06.22 | Dogmai | but our style |
| 18:06.55 | Lepton | nice |
| 18:06.56 | Lepton | can i come? |
| 18:07.16 | Dogmai | sure |
| 18:07.18 | Dogmai | channel tma |
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| 18:07.22 | Dogmai | NA server |
| 18:08.10 | Ahli | must watch TB wisdom about modern and old shooters |
| 18:08.10 | Lepton | on my wy |
| 18:21.13 | Dustin | You better not be talking about TotalBiscuit Ahli! |
| 18:28.35 | G0A | he does |
| 18:36.09 | Zolden | any notes anyone? http://i.snag.gy/8SqYL.jpg |
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| 18:39.31 | G0A | nice |
| 18:40.42 | Zolden | what don't you like? i'm too sick of doing this to be fair |
| 19:05.51 | Zolden | this: http://i.snag.gy/EdNTn.jpg |
| 19:05.55 | Zolden | not so protossish |
| 19:06.58 | Zolden | and he's literally kicking ass by his foot |
| 19:07.18 | Zolden | it's a honorous deed for an angel |
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| 19:08.16 | Unclesatan | sup peeps! |
| 19:09.30 | G0A | hio |
| 19:10.24 | G0A | Warships pff http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/10353295/starcraft-ii-arcade-weekend-of-freedom-7-3-2013 |
| 19:12.19 | Unclesatan | yea warships was cool kinda but not that cool |
| 19:12.21 | Unclesatan | lol |
| 19:13.44 | JademusSreg | I'm one of the 2%. |
| 19:14.13 | Unclesatan | haha |
| 19:14.56 | Unclesatan | i voet wow td （。々°） |
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| 19:16.35 | Dustin | Warships would be cool with some actuall gameplay added |
| 19:16.43 | DeadZergling | Hi Zolden, thought you might be on, this comic sounds just like you: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1621#comic |
| 19:18.10 | Zolden | DeadZergling are they 1 image comics, or there supposed to be the next button? |
| 19:18.37 | DeadZergling | each page is pretty much its own thing |
| 19:18.50 | DeadZergling | sometimes it is 1 pic, sometimes it is several |
| 19:19.13 | Zolden | Btw, I've recently read "The war of the worlds" by Wells, and was a bit confused by the fact that I couldn't imagine the martian robots other than as the colossuses. I think sc2 authors took the idea from there. |
| 19:20.00 | Zolden | oh, i got the humor, his name is Hitlerballs :)) |
| 19:20.34 | Dogmai | Is anyone available to come test a evolves map |
| 19:20.59 | Dogmai | I wish I had the public speaking skills of total biscuit |
| 19:25.05 | Unclesatan | The old war of the worlds movie, the alien ships looked like loch-ness monsters floating in the sky |
| 19:25.07 | Unclesatan | lol |
| 19:25.30 | DeadZergling | ah, another Zolden comic: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1641#comic |
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| 19:27.27 | Zolden | I have never tried cocain |
| 19:27.38 | G0A | its shit |
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| 19:27.50 | Zolden | but I have read a book named "an affair with the cocain" |
| 19:27.56 | G0A | though I never tried it too. I am not a big dopamin fun |
| 19:28.09 | Zolden | and the guy end up blowing his head by a train |
| 19:28.19 | Dogmai | g0a zolden want in? |
| 19:28.22 | Dogmai | need 1 more |
| 19:28.32 | Zolden | cannabis is a dopamine system related drug |
| 19:28.46 | Zolden | Dogmai sorry, I have other plans |
| 19:28.57 | Zandose | hi9 |
| 19:29.00 | Dogmai | T_T |
| 19:29.05 | Dogmai | anyone want in? |
| 19:29.05 | G0A | Zolden but only one part of it |
| 19:29.15 | Zandose | you need a tester or something? |
| 19:29.20 | Dogmai | yea mate |
| 19:29.29 | Dogmai | channel TMA on NA |
| 19:29.49 | Zandose | Ok, what have i been volunteered for? |
| 19:29.56 | Dogmai | evo wars |
| 19:29.58 | Dogmai | map |
| 19:30.02 | Dogmai | but its our style |
| 19:30.06 | Zandose | my game needs to update... |
| 19:30.11 | Dogmai | O_O |
| 19:30.18 | Zandose | i never open it so... |
| 19:30.22 | Zandose | complete |
| 19:30.36 | Zolden | G0A sad, I have no more information about cannabis activity except the fact that it represses dopamine repressors |
| 19:30.56 | Zolden | but I can guess that its multiple alcaloids do something else to us |
| 19:31.15 | Zolden | Zandose everyone's game need to update |
| 19:31.21 | Dogmai | in mate? @ Zandose |
| 19:31.22 | Zolden | it's a law of mapmaking |
| 19:31.28 | Zandose | sure |
| 19:31.42 | Zandose | im going to be a little show though... how do i join a channel |
| 19:31.54 | Ahli | :D |
| 19:32.05 | Ahli | main bnet screen, center right side -> text field |
| 19:32.28 | Zandose | ah |
| 19:32.35 | Zandose | its like magic |
| 19:35.07 | G0A | well cannabis repressing dopamine is still a myth... |
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| 19:35.26 | Zolden | it repressing doopamine repressors |
| 19:35.42 | Zolden | so it increases the amount of dopamine in synapses |
| 19:35.59 | MoonEater | hola |
| 19:37.28 | Zolden | MoonEater do you eat more moon after you smoked some cannabis? |
| 19:37.48 | MoonEater | i dont smoke orry bro |
| 19:38.01 | MoonEater | its illegal were i at |
| 19:38.05 | MoonEater | completly |
| 19:38.09 | MoonEater | federal land n such |
| 19:38.18 | Zolden | the world is not perfect |
| 19:39.12 | G0A | the world is perfect, but your are imperfection in perfection:D |
| 19:39.43 | MoonEater | i think u smoked too much |
| 19:39.48 | Zolden | lol |
| 19:40.07 | G0A | :D |
| 19:40.14 | G0A | I didnt smoke since months |
| 19:40.29 | G0A | quite crazy:) |
| 19:40.57 | MoonEater | ... uhuh |
| 19:41.23 | Zolden | i haven't for days |
| 19:41.35 | G0A | good for u |
| 19:42.04 | Zolden | music is also dopamine related drug |
| 19:42.26 | G0A | pleasure is dopamine related drug too |
| 19:43.00 | Zolden | body pleasure is rather opioid receptors related |
| 19:43.20 | G0A | hmm |
| 19:43.30 | Zolden | endorphine |
| 19:44.00 | G0A | under pleasure I was thinking about sexual pleasures at first place |
| 19:44.10 | Zolden | yea, also food |
| 19:44.37 | Zolden | and some others, like pooping, physical training,,, |
| 19:45.30 | Zolden | it's simple, and not that much related to the thinking process like dopamine and serotonine related enjoyment |
| 19:46.29 | G0A | anyway |
| 19:46.43 | G0A | I am out to play some world of warplanes.D |
| 19:46.44 | G0A | gn |
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| 19:46.52 | Zolden | :) |
| 19:46.57 | Zolden | bye |
| 19:47.05 | DeadZergling | okay, comparing pooping to sex, boo Zolden |
| 19:47.08 | DeadZergling | not cool |
| 19:47.17 | Unclesatan | it's close enough |
| 19:48.04 | Zolden | well, say this to the people who do the researches and realize that endorphine is involved in both processes |
| 19:49.37 | DeadZergling | I would, but they aren't here. |
| 19:50.12 | Zolden | because science is a bit more interesting than mapping |
| 19:50.50 | DeadZergling | not necessarily |
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| 19:51.48 | Zolden | depends on the person |
| 19:51.59 | DeadZergling | anyways, speaking of that: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1694#comic |
| 19:52.15 | Zolden | and if one is a scientist, I don't think there's anything else more exciting for him |
| 19:52.17 | Ahli | "f*ck Ahli. no more evo for you" GG :D |
| 19:52.40 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 19:53.07 | JademusSreg | Zol, on the contrary, there is always excitement for the scientist where there is ignornace to be penetrated. |
| 19:53.17 | DeadZergling | not talking about that, purely saying, science isn't always so interesting |
| 19:54.28 | DeadZergling | like biology classes/textbooks, not always so exciting |
| 19:54.32 | Zolden | and I have nothing against the last statement |
| 19:54.48 | DeadZergling | could make it more interesting by replacing the word mate with bonify though |
| 19:54.58 | JademusSreg | Shouldn't conflate the content with the (shitty) presentation. |
| 19:55.20 | Zolden | biology not exciting? it's the most complicated matter and the most perfect |
| 19:55.58 | Zolden | yea, some books suck so bad |
| 19:56.57 | Zolden | especially the history books... 95/100 are boring as... as hystory books |
| 19:57.59 | DeadZergling | the stories in history can be interesting |
| 19:58.06 | DeadZergling | timelines and dates though |
| 19:58.11 | DeadZergling | who gives a #%#% |
| 19:58.17 | Zolden | yea |
| 19:58.38 | Zolden | it's so full of passions and drama, but dry numbers is shit |
| 19:59.28 | DeadZergling | yea, never heard of anyone being world renowned for their ability to remember just numbers.... |
| 20:00.38 | Zolden | because memory isn't the main instrument ofl earning, memory hates to rremember and is lazy |
| 20:00.57 | Zolden | imagination is the main instrument, it adores to play with information |
| 20:02.44 | JademusSreg | Poetic and indulgent as that is, memory is fundamental. Playfulness and imagination enhance the capacity to learn, but are not required. |
| 20:04.13 | Zolden | well, both are required |
| 20:04.37 | Zolden | we know examples of people of pure memory without thinking, and people without ability to remember |
| 20:04.51 | Zolden | both are useless for anything and helpless |
| 20:04.55 | JademusSreg | Other, less intelligent species certainly don't require imagination and play to learn. |
| 20:05.53 | JademusSreg | And while play correlates to intelligence and the capacity to learn, observed across many different species, it is not fundamental to learning. |
| 20:06.02 | JademusSreg | *correlates positively |
| 20:06.04 | Zolden | I'm sure, animals use their animal imagination. For example, cats and dogs seem to be having dreams about day activity |
| 20:06.41 | Zolden | and ability to see dreams is a sign of the imagination's presentation |
| 20:07.15 | JademusSreg | Dreams are a narrative constructed from the noise of random synapses, no imagination required. |
| 20:08.24 | JademusSreg | Among them are those networks responsible for retaining memories, haha. |
| 20:08.36 | Zolden | their body activities look like a hunting or running, it has no signs of randomness, they don't look like an epilepsy, it's rather a complex activity of a high order |
| 20:10.05 | Zolden | hmm, I'd even say that that it's not possible to have any control without imagination, because we (any animals) work with a model of reality |
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| 20:12.30 | Zolden | and playing is a kind of imagination creativity, because it's not based on reflexes, it's based on transferring an activity between contexts, like hunting behavior without a context of hunting |
| 20:12.43 | JademusSreg | I don't doubt the value of play and imagination to learning, but it's not accurate to assert their primacy over memory. Learning requires memory, that is to say the changing of state to record information of the system's experience. Play and imagination are not necessary, they are a bonus, an enhancement. |
| 20:13.45 | Zolden | without this bonus we would have a guy that remembers everything, understands nothing |
| 20:13.57 | Zolden | but you right about the fact that memory is also necessary |
| 20:15.42 | Zolden | there are just different kinds of memory, remembering facts and values is one kind, and remembering the meanings of the facts and values, the relations between them is nothier thing |
| 20:16.27 | Zolden | the first one is necessary, but isn't main for learning, the second one is the base of learning |
| 20:17.11 | Zolden | I can imagine a guy that remembers nothing exact, but can exmplain what's wron in a complex system |
| 20:18.06 | Zolden | I can aslo imagine a guy that remembers every name of the system parts, and can explain what each part do, but can't udnerstand what's wrong |
| 20:19.52 | Zolden | well, anyway, when you, JademusSreg make a note and it makes me think deeper, I understand that nothing I say is exactly correct, and I'm just a diletante in the subject :) |
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| 20:26.31 | Lepton | if a variables default value is "rand int between"....will the random int be the same throughout the game? |
| 20:26.47 | Lepton | every time you refer to that variable |
| 20:28.36 | DeadZergling | should be different every time you call function/trigger |
| 20:28.44 | Lepton | you sure? |
| 20:28.51 | Lepton | tahts weird.. |
| 20:28.54 | DeadZergling | but if you just set bob to rand int between 0 and 10 |
| 20:29.01 | Lepton | cause It seems like its the same value every time |
| 20:29.02 | DeadZergling | and never run it or anything |
| 20:29.14 | DeadZergling | it will always be same :P |
| 20:29.27 | Lepton | its a global var |
| 20:29.40 | DeadZergling | do you reassign its value anywhere? |
| 20:29.47 | DeadZergling | or just once? |
| 20:30.06 | Lepton | no |
| 20:30.11 | Lepton | ill review the whole code |
| 20:30.14 | Lepton | will take a while |
| 20:30.15 | Lepton | :s |
| 20:30.22 | DeadZergling | is easy really |
| 20:30.31 | DeadZergling | if you have global bob, set to random int 0 to 10 |
| 20:30.39 | DeadZergling | and that is all the assigning you ever do |
| 20:30.46 | DeadZergling | it will always be the random value you started with |
| 20:30.55 | DeadZergling | so if you got a 6, will be 6 the whole time |
| 20:31.15 | DeadZergling | So when you want a new random number, you'll need to do bob = random int 0 to 10 again |
| 20:31.36 | DeadZergling | every time you want a new random number |
| 20:32.38 | Lepton | oh |
| 20:32.43 | Lepton | i thought you said the opposite |
| 20:32.57 | Lepton | <DeadZergling> should be different every time you call function/trigger |
| 20:33.03 | Lepton | what did y ou mean by that? |
| 20:33.31 | DeadZergling | well like if you have a function that spawns a unit in 1 of 10 points |
| 20:33.45 | DeadZergling | and to start, you set a local variable bob random int 1 to 10 |
| 20:34.08 | DeadZergling | bob should be a random value every time |
| 20:34.51 | DeadZergling | to simplify..., lol |
| 20:35.08 | DeadZergling | every time you want a random number, you should be calling random int # to # |
| 20:35.21 | DeadZergling | to give that int a new value |
| 20:35.48 | Lepton | yea.. |
| 20:35.52 | Lepton | :P |
| 20:35.57 | Lepton | ok thanks |
| 20:36.08 | Lepton | i guess i should just set the variable to rand int at map init |
| 20:36.11 | Lepton | to avoid confusing |
| 20:36.40 | DeadZergling | you also have to set it to rand int every time you want a new random value |
| 20:37.15 | DeadZergling | think of it this way, if you have a dice, and you roll a 5 |
| 20:37.24 | DeadZergling | by leaving it there, will you be able to get a 6? |
| 20:37.29 | DeadZergling | No, you will have to reroll it |
| 20:39.33 | Lepton | yeah i know |
| 20:39.40 | Lepton | but i dont want a new ev erytime :P |
| 20:39.46 | Lepton | i want one for the whole game hehe |
| 20:39.52 | Lepton | anyway, |
| 20:40.20 | DeadZergling | yea, then global set once is the way to go |
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| 20:48.31 | Jademus | Swarm Host == Surinam Toad |
| 20:50.53 | Zolden | what's surinam toad? |
| 20:51.25 | Zolden | a toad with a hallucinogen on it's skin, and if you lick it, you get high? |
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| 21:27.35 | MoonEater | im back for a sec |
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| 21:46.27 | Lepton | guys |
| 21:46.46 | Lepton | whats the maximum number you can put on a pick eah integer loop? |
| 21:47.12 | Lepton | I got a pick each interger between 1 and 500 |
| 21:47.19 | Lepton | is it too much?: |
| 21:47.22 | Lepton | doesnt seem to work |
| 21:47.24 | Ahli | can you say "group project" in English? (it's for my letter of motivation for masters program at university) |
| 21:48.21 | Lepton | i am pretty sure you can ahli |
| 21:48.43 | Zolden | looks like |
| 21:48.56 | Ahli | Jademus: I require your fancy English knowledge |
| 21:48.58 | Zolden | why you even doubt that you can |
| 21:49.07 | Jademus | ? |
| 21:49.10 | Ahli | online dictionary doesn't list that |
| 21:49.38 | JademusSreg | Group project is commonly employed. |
| 21:49.47 | Lepton | ok then I got another question: Can you put a custom action inside a pick each integer loop? |
| 21:50.14 | JademusSreg | Lep, you can -call- the action from there, yes. |
| 21:50.38 | Ahli | how would you describe that in an educated way? |
| 21:51.04 | JademusSreg | Fill me in on the surrounding text. |
| 21:51.13 | Lepton | something is not executing well...see I got an action with pick integer from 1 to 500 inside a pick each interger from 1 to 10 loop |
| 21:51.26 | Ahli | The last two years of my studies, especially two half year long group projects, motivated me to strive for a Master's degree. |
| 21:53.22 | JademusSreg | Could cut "especially", "half year" needs a hyphen. More importantly, need to state what result of the projects motivated you to strive. |
| 21:55.41 | Ahli | I'm elaborating about the 2 projects afterwards |
| 21:57.06 | JademusSreg | In other words, "Over the last two years of study, the [some significant insight or passionate thing I experienced] which followed two [half-year-long] group projects has further motivated me to strive for a Master's degree." |
| 21:57.59 | JademusSreg | Group projects may have different terms in different fields of study. |
| 21:58.50 | JademusSreg | Though I'm fairly certain undergraduates don't get selected for actual research teams. |
| 21:58.52 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 22:04.01 | Ahli | Well, it wasn't real research. One had the goal to create a plugin for a program that was developed at the university while the papers about the algorithms that we should look into were given and the other one involved analyzing processes at a corporation. |
| 22:15.23 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 22:17.17 | JademusSreg | So far "group project" sounds like the appropriate term for the task, that being academic coursework. Unless you produced something of value more than the educational exercise itself. |
| 22:19.45 | Ahli | as you would ever create something of real value in a bachelor's program... ^^ |
| 22:23.11 | Ahli | well, the thing we coded didn't exist in comparable products in the industry: translating models from various modeling languages into a graph and then analyzing it. Then a group of master students used our plugin as a base to implement several efficient search algorithms for pattern searches |
| 22:34.20 | JademusSreg | Hm, might be appropriate to refer to it as a development team. |
| 22:36.24 | Dustin | Your mother is a development team! |
| 22:36.51 | JademusSreg | You know it, oh yeah. |
| 22:38.35 | DeadZergling | check off one mapster user to never ever get advice from... just had a follow up response to a question I answered entirely, made me facepalm pretty hard. |
| 22:39.13 | Zolden | I've got a mail from blizz (that has probably been sent to all art tools beta testers) with a request of sending them a screen or a models that were created in art tools to post in their blog |
| 22:40.01 | JademusSreg | Must send the distortion dialog model. It's too hilarious to resist. |
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| 22:40.31 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 22:40.33 | Zolden | you right |
| 22:59.54 | Ahli | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/9453735601#1 |
| 23:02.41 | Lepton | guys whats a way to grab all players but the computers? |
| 23:04.17 | Lepton | i think active players includes AIs |
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| 23:09.18 | Lepton | WOW |
| 23:09.32 | Lepton | is this new? getting handle of player as a string |
| 23:09.34 | Lepton | "Returns a unique Battle.net identifier for the player that will persist between name changes." |
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| 23:09.56 | MoonEater | Hello! |
| 23:10.14 | Dustin | No thats old as fuck lepton :P |
| 23:10.25 | MoonEater | Dustin, what is? |
| 23:10.31 | Lepton | well its awesome |
| 23:10.36 | MoonEater | wants to be including in the group |
| 23:10.50 | Lepton | you can actually permaban a player |
| 23:10.51 | Lepton | lol |
| 23:10.59 | MoonEater | oh |
| 23:11.07 | MoonEater | u can use scripts or bnet |
| 23:11.17 | MoonEater | but a perma banned player can still enter the lobby |
| 23:12.14 | Fenix | so, little help here :P I have a behavior that is applied on a unit from a caster. This behavior has a validator (caster not dead). If it happends the behavior is removed. I have an suicide effect that is run when the behavior is removed. The thing is, I have a chain of units like that so when i kill one, the line dies. My question is how do I slow down their death cause it's almost instantly and I'd like to see them die one by one. |
| 23:12.55 | MoonEater | u can |
| 23:12.58 | MoonEater | put a periodic |
| 23:13.03 | MoonEater | on the suicide |
| 23:13.05 | MoonEater | cant u? |
| 23:13.27 | MoonEater | or what u can do |
| 23:13.33 | MoonEater | is instead of suicide |
| 23:13.39 | MoonEater | use broodling fate |
| 23:13.42 | Fenix | well, i cant do it on the suicide cause they will simply all wait and die together again |
| 23:13.43 | MoonEater | which has a timer death |
| 23:13.55 | MoonEater | oh |
| 23:13.57 | MoonEater | u mean |
| 23:13.58 | MoonEater | well |
| 23:14.02 | MoonEater | uh let me look |
| 23:14.47 | Fenix | they all depends of the previous units, if he dies, you dies and caus you dies the next one that depended on you die too and so on. But i want this effect to be slowed down haha |
| 23:14.53 | MoonEater | here |
| 23:14.58 | MoonEater | do duration |
| 23:15.06 | MoonEater | then effect final |
| 23:15.15 | MoonEater | or what not |
| 23:15.22 | MoonEater | link the effects to the suidcides |
| 23:15.25 | MoonEater | sucides |
| 23:15.37 | Fenix | the effect is the suicide? |
| 23:15.53 | MoonEater | well theres accouple ways i would think |
| 23:16.04 | MoonEater | u can do effect death wich is the easyest |
| 23:16.11 | MoonEater | but u can do a set effect |
| 23:16.16 | MoonEater | to pass the effect along |
| 23:16.19 | MoonEater | somehow |
| 23:16.28 | MoonEater | or theres triggers |
| 23:16.32 | MoonEater | mayeb |
| 23:16.39 | MoonEater | theres also final effect |
| 23:16.52 | MoonEater | on behaviors |
| 23:17.07 | MoonEater | LAstly there may be an answer with suppression behaviors |
| 23:17.25 | Fenix | I'm using the validator Caster not dead to remove the behavior, and when the behavior is removed it does the final effect which is the suicide |
| 23:17.42 | MoonEater | have a suicide behavor suppressed buy another behavior |
| 23:17.45 | MoonEater | then link suicides |
| 23:17.51 | MoonEater | and kill suppressions |
| 23:18.25 | MoonEater | so like |
| 23:18.44 | MoonEater | first unit loses behavior suppresion, goes into suidcide mode |
| 23:18.57 | MoonEater | dies, and losses that suicide behavor |
| 23:19.01 | MoonEater | which triggers the second |
| 23:19.16 | MoonEater | who losses his suppression |
| 23:19.20 | MoonEater | and goes into suidcide |
| 23:19.43 | DeadZergling | could be lazy and have 10 periodic effects of suicide with a 10 % chance |
| 23:19.44 | Fenix | its kind of what i have but again the problem remains, there wont be a delay between eatch of them |
| 23:19.47 | DeadZergling | and a final effect of suicide |
| 23:19.56 | DeadZergling | so it randomly murders them not necessarily in order |
| 23:20.00 | MoonEater | its how u link them |
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| 23:20.18 | MoonEater | the second one is triggered when the first one looses suidcide behavior *causes by death) |
| 23:20.26 | Fenix | they are all linked and working, but the suicide is too fast, its as fast as the data can go haha |
| 23:20.38 | MoonEater | put a suidcide timer |
| 23:20.44 | MoonEater | dont make them die instantly |
| 23:20.47 | MoonEater | do timed fate |
| 23:20.52 | MoonEater | and on death |
| 23:20.55 | MoonEater | trigger the next one |
| 23:21.01 | DeadZergling | think his issue is them all dying simultaneously |
| 23:21.37 | Fenix | well, all one by one but really fast |
| 23:21.55 | Fenix | the if the suicide effect could have a wait somehow that would make it |
| 23:22.48 | Fenix | which effect can have a timer? |
| 23:24.37 | DeadZergling | well, for what you wanting there is a problem... |
| 23:24.59 | Fenix | um, create persisten -> suicide |
| 23:25.08 | Fenix | that would work? |
| 23:25.10 | DeadZergling | can only assume the death stuff is all happening simultaneously |
| 23:25.22 | DeadZergling | sure, if you wanted all to blow up in 1 second |
| 23:25.27 | DeadZergling | instead of 0 |
| 23:26.27 | DeadZergling | well, hang on :P |
| 23:26.33 | DeadZergling | reading what you saying up top :P |
| 23:26.58 | DeadZergling | try a create persistent with a period of 0.1 or 0.2, and periodic effect of suicide |
| 23:27.08 | DeadZergling | if it is working how you say it is, might do what you want that way. |
| 23:27.48 | DeadZergling | you'll set your final effect to that create persistent of course |
| 23:30.49 | Dustin | New Patch |
| 23:30.55 | Dustin | They fixed a bunch of bugs |
| 23:44.58 | Fate_ | ah just got killed by a mass of hellbats |
| 23:45.11 | Fate_ | time for the nerf |
