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| 00:25.41 | Fenix_ | Is it possible to do: Apply behavior from unit. And in the behavior have a validator that check if the caster (the "from unit") is alive? |
| 00:29.14 | Kueken | yes |
| 00:29.26 | Fenix_ | how do i do that? |
| 00:30.49 | Kueken | just make sure the apply behavior effect is executed by your caster, then use a "Caster Is Alive" validator as disable or remove validator (whatever suits your design). If there is no Caster Is Alive validator, copy one of the available "Alive" ones and change the target to caster. |
| 00:32.08 | Kueken | does this help you? |
| 00:33.59 | JademusSreg | If so, upvote Kueken. /lame social media feature |
| 00:34.04 | Fenix_ | i cant find the validator caster is alive |
| 00:34.19 | Kueken | try "not dead" |
| 00:34.20 | Kueken | :D |
| 00:34.50 | Fenix_ | caster not dead, found. |
| 00:36.29 | Fenix_ | so when i do via triggers apply behavior from unit, the unit specefied is the caster right? |
| 00:37.02 | Kueken | should be |
| 00:38.14 | Fenix_ | *crossfingers for what im trying to do to work* I'm trying a kind of chain link with "Parent/Child" |
| 00:38.29 | Fenix_ | if parent dies, child dies |
| 00:39.21 | DeadZergling | making pets or something fenix? |
| 00:39.49 | Guest25876 | guys what does "living" unit actually mean |
| 00:40.01 | Guest25876 | is a burrowed mine considered "living? |
| 00:40.10 | Fenix_ | any units alive |
| 00:40.21 | Fenix_ | if its dead its dead and not alive |
| 00:40.29 | Fenix_ | if your mine is burrowed, its not dead, its alive haha |
| 00:40.30 | Guest25876 | uhm i see |
| 00:40.36 | Guest25876 | hehe |
| 00:40.40 | Fenix_ | except if your mines got burrowed after its death |
| 00:40.41 | Fenix_ | haha |
| 00:40.50 | DeadZergling | take that as a maybe |
| 00:41.42 | Guest25876 | lol |
| 00:41.50 | DeadZergling | pets are fun to setup, did that a long time ago for my necromancer class |
| 00:42.01 | Fenix_ | im not doing pets |
| 00:42.15 | Fenix_ | im remaking a game from year 2000 |
| 00:42.39 | Fenix_ | a turn by turn strategic game :P |
| 00:42.52 | Fenix_ | so awesome but no one played it or knows it |
| 00:43.03 | DeadZergling | ah, just sounded a lot like them from the description |
| 00:43.07 | DeadZergling | what was the game called? |
| 00:43.21 | Fenix_ | Moonbase Commander |
| 00:43.32 | DeadZergling | yea, definitely never heard of that one |
| 00:43.36 | Fenix_ | haha |
| 00:43.39 | DeadZergling | at least not that version |
| 00:43.44 | DeadZergling | just makes me t hink of doom |
| 00:44.01 | Fenix_ | its totally not Doom |
| 00:47.19 | DeadZergling | yea, I figured as much |
| 00:48.32 | DeadZergling | I totally made too much work for myself with my pet caster, decided he also has the option of possessing monsters with his ghost pets, lol |
| 00:49.05 | Fenix_ | um, your pet has a pet? |
| 00:49.13 | DeadZergling | not exactly |
| 00:49.20 | DeadZergling | when ghost uses possess, ghost goes away |
| 00:50.53 | DeadZergling | I also didn't like the whole, limited pets idea |
| 00:51.20 | DeadZergling | so instead, you can own any pets you want to, but they drain energy while alive |
| 00:51.30 | DeadZergling | so go overboard and suddenly all your pets poof on you |
| 00:52.11 | DeadZergling | might later change it so they don't poof, but change owners and go after the necro |
| 01:03.27 | DeadZergling | dumb question (i only ask because I'm not at the editor), does the infestor have any attack animations? |
| 01:18.02 | DeadZergling | guessing not, considering I've seen videos where some bozo stuck an infestor and ultra model together.... |
| 01:25.59 | Fenix_ | how do you do a behavior that count if there is another behavior; if not kill the unit |
| 01:26.51 | DeadZergling | just have a behavior with an initial switch effect |
| 01:27.12 | DeadZergling | have a validator that checks if the unit has said behavior |
| 01:27.21 | DeadZergling | if validator, do nothing, else kill unit |
| 01:27.48 | DeadZergling | or could do a periodic effect if you want it to be on there awhile |
| 01:27.50 | DeadZergling | same idea |
| 01:28.38 | Fenix_ | i just want a permanent behavior to make sure the unit has a specefic one |
| 01:28.53 | DeadZergling | yea, use periodic effect then |
| 01:29.14 | Fenix_ | and what would be the "effect" ? |
| 01:29.19 | DeadZergling | you will need 1 validator for sure though |
| 01:29.35 | DeadZergling | well, if you just want to kill the unit, you could make a copy of the suicide effect |
| 01:29.49 | DeadZergling | and use that validator on your new suicide effect |
| 01:31.32 | DeadZergling | the benefit of the switch effect would be, you could always alter it to just severely hurt the unit but not necessarily kill if you changed your mind later |
| 01:31.37 | DeadZergling | otherwise, suicide copy is fine |
| 01:32.34 | Fenix_ | in my case, it dead or alive ;) |
| 01:32.54 | DeadZergling | yea, suicide is the way to go :) |
| 01:33.03 | DeadZergling | doing okay on your validator? |
| 01:33.33 | Fenix_ | um idk haha |
| 01:33.44 | DeadZergling | well just make a new one |
| 01:33.55 | Fenix_ | slowly moving through the data as my mind is slowly going to bed xD |
| 01:33.58 | DeadZergling | should be something like comparebehavior count or something like that |
| 01:34.48 | DeadZergling | Unit Compare Behavior Count |
| 01:34.51 | DeadZergling | that's the one :) |
| 01:35.14 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
| 01:35.56 | DeadZergling | Hi Jade, we are learning how to kill ourselves using behaviors :P |
| 01:36.13 | JademusSreg | Sounds like a good use of time. |
| 01:36.28 | DeadZergling | it really is, and the best part is |
| 01:36.33 | DeadZergling | never have to worry about what to do afterwards |
| 01:37.46 | JademusSreg | while(self.isAlive) { self.kill(); } |
| 01:39.21 | DeadZergling | let me know w hen you get that far on your validator fenix_ |
| 01:39.35 | DeadZergling | it really isn't a hard one, just can be if you brand new to it |
| 01:39.43 | Fenix_ | well, my units are dieing haha xD |
| 01:39.58 | DeadZergling | yea, without that validator im sure they doing that nonstop |
| 01:40.04 | DeadZergling | the validator is critical to it working right |
| 01:40.09 | Fenix_ | yeah |
| 01:40.37 | Fenix_ | and the validator depends on another behavior that i add with triggers so its getting confusing xD |
| 01:41.05 | JademusSreg | What does this concern? |
| 01:41.16 | DeadZergling | well he has a behavior he wants to kill the unit |
| 01:41.22 | DeadZergling | if unit does not possess another behavior |
| 01:41.35 | Fenix_ | im making a link chain, like... just a sec |
| 01:41.43 | DeadZergling | so I told him to use a periodic effect on the first behavior, with a copy of suicide using a validator checking for second behavior |
| 01:42.11 | Fenix_ | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/8891779700#4 |
| 01:43.22 | DeadZergling | that is totally not what you asked before fenix :) |
| 01:43.56 | JademusSreg | Always best to start from the design. |
| 01:44.28 | Ahli | gonna release my gameheart observer interface today |
| 01:44.48 | Fenix_ | i asked straight to what I'm at, just that.. I need to find a good way to set up my triggers creating the units to apply my behaviors so that if a units dies it brokes the link and the chain effect start |
| 01:44.49 | JademusSreg | Cool. Video demo? |
| 01:45.04 | DeadZergling | I don't get what these AB and BC segments are supposed to be. |
| 01:45.15 | Fenix_ | lets me show u sec |
| 01:45.28 | DeadZergling | A is the parent of B, B is the parent of C, C is the child of B, B is the child of A I understand, not the segments though |
| 01:46.04 | Ahli | duckevillelol offered help directly after asking for a caster to test it on TL... so, I just gave the interface to him and release it when he did a video |
| 01:46.20 | Fenix_ | im recreating this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCWvOfYkkms |
| 01:46.20 | JademusSreg | Ah, efficient. |
| 01:47.08 | DeadZergling | so AB would be the chain between the 2? |
| 01:47.13 | Fenix_ | ya |
| 01:47.53 | DeadZergling | so, if you had a chain of ABCDE |
| 01:47.57 | DeadZergling | and let's say C dies |
| 01:48.05 | DeadZergling | you want A and E to remain only? or all to die? |
| 01:48.06 | Fenix_ | D and E will die too |
| 01:48.15 | Fenix_ | not A or B |
| 01:48.22 | DeadZergling | so only things further down the chain |
| 01:48.25 | DeadZergling | kk |
| 01:48.27 | Fenix_ | ya |
| 01:50.21 | JademusSreg | I'd probably exploit the mechanic employed by addons. |
| 01:51.44 | DeadZergling | I can think of exceptionally ugly ways of doing so using triggers and arrays |
| 01:51.50 | DeadZergling | nothing elegant yet though, lol |
| 01:52.09 | Fenix_ | well only having a Parent and Child behavior is enough |
| 01:52.27 | Fenix_ | dont need array at all |
| 01:52.41 | DeadZergling | maybe the children could hit the parent with an effect or apply a behavior of sorts |
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| 01:52.53 | DeadZergling | and the parent have a response of giving them a behavior |
| 01:52.58 | DeadZergling | if they don't get the behavior, they die |
| 01:53.50 | Vindicator | is it just me or did a patch within the past month or so screw up the trigger editor from recognizing when you press "escape" to cancel out of a window when you're choosing an event/condition/action? |
| 01:54.13 | DeadZergling | that way could definitely work, fenix_ |
| 01:54.19 | Fenix_ | in the triggers when i'm creating the "link" i create unit A, store it in a var, create unit B, then apply behavior Parent to A from B and Child to B from A. |
| 01:54.27 | Vindicator | because i press escape and nothing happens and it's really starting to become a pain in the butt |
| 01:55.52 | Fenix_ | but I'm having troubles finding an optimal way to create the unit in a good pathern to apply all the behaviors correctly |
| 01:56.31 | DeadZergling | well, there isn't a great pattern in my mind if you do it like that |
| 01:56.32 | Fenix_ | i think I'm just gonna stop for now as I'm sleeping more than working haha |
| 01:56.36 | DeadZergling | best way I can think of with that |
| 01:56.47 | DeadZergling | is many separate recurring threads |
| 01:56.47 | Fenix_ | what would it be |
| 01:57.10 | DeadZergling | adding said behavior every .1 seconds or such from parent unit to child unit |
| 01:57.36 | DeadZergling | one thread per unit created, so after you go through A-Z, it might get kind of laggy |
| 01:57.56 | Fenix_ | via triggers? And how would you know which units is parent of which units and such? |
| 01:58.01 | DeadZergling | it would be multi threading |
| 01:58.05 | DeadZergling | on a mass scale |
| 01:58.28 | DeadZergling | each unit created calls an action definition that is set as a create its own t hread |
| 01:58.30 | Fenix_ | it has to work on my poor computer, otherwise this means its not a viable solution hahah |
| 01:58.37 | DeadZergling | which receives the parent unit and the child unit |
| 01:58.50 | DeadZergling | and keeps going forever |
| 01:58.56 | DeadZergling | until the parent unit or child unit dies |
| 01:59.02 | DeadZergling | then it self destructs |
| 01:59.24 | Fenix_ | dont need that as the behavior count could work |
| 01:59.25 | DeadZergling | it might lag, it might not, applying 500 behaviors every .1 seconds might not be too bad, but I've never done it :) |
| 01:59.36 | Fenix_ | somehow |
| 01:59.45 | DeadZergling | actually, using multi threading |
| 01:59.50 | DeadZergling | you wouldn't even need a behavior or validator |
| 02:00.09 | DeadZergling | If Parent IsAlive, do nothing, else kill child unit, break; |
| 02:00.23 | JademusSreg | Looks like it can be done without code. |
| 02:00.38 | DeadZergling | im sure jade, just trying to supply solutions to his way of doing things |
| 02:00.47 | JademusSreg | Ah, haha. |
| 02:00.51 | DeadZergling | im not real pragmatic at getting others to expand their minds |
| 02:00.59 | Fenix_ | well, i dont think having so many threads is a good things |
| 02:01.41 | DeadZergling | it might be possible to do it with one thread and one very large array too |
| 02:01.43 | Fenix_ | it would lag hard late game if there are like 1000 units |
| 02:02.35 | DeadZergling | just trying to give you ideas of course fenix :) |
| 02:02.41 | Fenix_ | yeah i know |
| 02:05.32 | DeadZergling | could try massive threading, or one thread w/ a massive array |
| 02:05.41 | DeadZergling | and just let one player accumulate 2k units |
| 02:05.44 | JademusSreg | Yeah, looks like addon mechanic would be most effective. Looked over the xml extracts, seems easy enough. |
| 02:05.45 | DeadZergling | see what happens, lol |
| 02:06.46 | Fenix_ | you jade are doing stuff in a way i dont have any idea how to do so haha... and sometimes I guess it would be best to know it... |
| 02:07.09 | DeadZergling | jade practices sorcery and witchcraft |
| 02:07.14 | Fenix_ | lol |
| 02:07.31 | DeadZergling | uses evil things like return X > 5 || X != Y |
| 02:08.51 | Fenix_ | anyway I'm off for tonight. I'll think to what i could do and come back if nothing works xD |
| 02:12.35 | JademusSreg | Unit fields AddedOnArray to define valid parent links, requirement for unit count completed at unit tech alias Link to regulate the suicide behavior. |
| 02:24.56 | DeadZergling | Well I'm out of here for now, later |
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| 02:56.10 | Guest25876 | if I use a trigger with event "any unit is selected" and then put a condition unite type of unit=xxxx will it make the game lag since trigger fires every time a unit is selected? |
| 02:57.19 | Ahli | selections are send to the server anyways, so don't mind that... |
| 02:57.35 | Ahli | and events + failing condition is very, very fast |
| 02:57.42 | Guest25876 | ah ok then |
| 02:57.45 | Guest25876 | thanks |
| 02:57.50 | Ahli | so, don't worry :D |
| 02:58.43 | Guest25876 | hehe |
| 02:59.02 | Guest25876 | anyone else wish the character "mutalisk" was actually a unit? |
| 02:59.11 | Guest25876 | the model is so..fucking badass |
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| 04:06.28 | Lepton | guys whats the damage a wepon does called? |
| 04:06.31 | Lepton | trying to change it |
| 04:06.44 | Lepton | all I see is damage point |
| 04:10.20 | Lepton | uhm could it be an effect? |
| 04:25.51 | Lepton | i found it |
| 04:25.58 | Lepton | was damage effect |
| 06:01.11 | Demalii | if anyone knows the answer behind this, let me know : http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/terrain/54995-cliff-side-textures-and-the-variances-how-to-edit/ |
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| 06:17.56 | Lepton | is there a way to finely move units in tearrain editor? |
| 06:18.04 | Lepton | arrows move it so roughly |
| 06:18.14 | Lepton | and going in properties is a pain |
| 06:18.30 | Kueken | uhm.. mouse dragging? :D |
| 06:19.46 | Lepton | too rough aswell :s |
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| 06:20.25 | Lepton | btw if you kill a unit that was part of the terrain can you revive it? |
| 06:22.50 | duckies | how can a unit be a part of the terrain? |
| 06:22.59 | duckies | you mean doodads/terrain objects? |
| 06:23.32 | Lepton | like you put it on the map with terrain editor |
| 06:23.34 | Lepton | as a unit |
| 06:23.35 | duckies | anyway, I think that if it has death timer field - it can be revived |
| 06:24.46 | duckies | you mean terrain module->unit tab where you can preplace any unit? why not? >.> |
| 06:26.47 | Lepton | yea |
| 06:26.51 | Lepton | duckies, |
| 06:27.29 | duckies | well, set units death timer to -1 and try it out |
| 06:27.43 | duckies | or whatever timer it was, I'm not sure >.> |
| 06:28.20 | Lepton | alright |
| 06:28.20 | Lepton | tks |
| 06:29.18 | duckies | just don't set it to -1 if you're gonna have more than few units of this type, having memory cluttered with hundreds of dead units that never go away is not a good thing I belive |
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| 08:22.29 | G0A | hmm how do I play one shot models continuously by actors? |
| 08:32.05 | Demalii | a behavior with an effect? |
| 08:35.00 | G0A | anyway I figured it out |
| 08:35.08 | Kueken | http://pastebin.com/EN5W15PQ |
| 08:35.20 | Kueken | thats what I use |
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| 08:56.26 | Sarah__ | im fast typer |
| 08:57.01 | Sarah__ | well i dont type that well i guess |
| 08:57.10 | Sarah__ | and my keybord sucks |
| 08:57.38 | Sarah__ | so itl like not work for a secon then work agin |
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| 11:27.17 | G0A | anybody having trouble to log into to http://us.battle.net/ |
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| 12:52.16 | Dogmai | So does anyone know how to stop Help msgs from showing up in the loading screen? |
| 12:57.35 | G0A | put a space into it as text |
| 12:58.34 | G0A | but since hots you can change the tips in data: Field Default SC2 UI Settings UI: Loading Screen Help + |
| 12:59.45 | Kueken | yeah, you could change the data before, but it had no effect :D |
| 13:02.45 | Dogmai | Thanks G0A |
| 13:02.53 | Dogmai | I forgot how to do it o_O |
| 13:03.04 | Dogmai | That is how long it has been since I did the simple stuff on a map T_T |
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| 13:51.05 | Fate_ | OMG ! http://snag.gy/kC093.jpg |
| 13:54.59 | Fate_ | Okey someone here to help me to construct a jump skill? |
| 13:55.13 | Ahli | launch effect |
| 13:55.50 | Ahli | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/37616-tutorial-demo-1-5-alpha-launch-missile-effect-to-create/ |
| 13:57.20 | Fate_ | thy ahli i will try that test map |
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| 16:28.05 | Dogmai | ahli you there |
| 16:29.27 | Ahli | yes |
| 16:31.51 | Ahli | Dogmai: |
| 16:32.02 | Dogmai | do you know what the name of the green ash worm is |
| 16:32.05 | Dogmai | i found it yesterday |
| 16:32.17 | Dogmai | and I have been through the units/doodads and can't seem to find it |
| 16:32.47 | Ahli | uhm what? :D |
| 16:32.54 | Ahli | sorry, no idea ^^ |
| 16:33.29 | Dogmai | O_O |
| 16:34.33 | Fate_ | Nydusdestroyer ? at Dogmai |
| 16:34.52 | Fate_ | sth like that |
| 16:35.49 | Dogmai | you're the man fate |
| 16:35.57 | Fate_ | :) |
| 16:35.58 | Dogmai | i was going through them too fast to allow the model to spawn |
| 16:36.00 | Dogmai | thanks mate |
| 16:36.32 | Fate_ | i sended so hour hours looking at the models and textures :) |
| 16:36.47 | Fate_ | spended* |
| 16:37.12 | Dogmai | yea |
| 16:37.17 | Dogmai | i just went through them yesterday |
| 16:37.27 | Dogmai | cause dryeyece handles that side of the editor |
| 16:40.15 | JademusSreg | Zoop. |
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| 16:41.00 | Dogmai | zoop? |
| 16:41.05 | Fate_ | zoop? |
| 16:41.05 | Dogmai | depoop? |
| 16:41.14 | Dogmai | @ JademusSreg |
| 16:41.25 | Dogmai | dustin, go back to bed |
| 16:41.29 | Dogmai | its too early to go to the office |
| 16:41.31 | Dustin|Work | I wish :( |
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| 17:27.43 | Lepton | is there a way to speed up the editor? |
| 17:27.55 | Lepton | everytime I click on something i have to wait like 3 seconds |
| 17:28.04 | Lepton | it slows down my progress so much |
| 17:28.18 | JademusSreg | In what context? |
| 17:29.39 | JademusSreg | If in the data editor: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/DataView.jpg |
| 17:31.35 | JademusSreg | If in the trigger editor, slow response is a consequence of massive refactoring, which is to say you've got too much shit. Either reduce the GUI for efficiency, learn script, or surrender to the slow response. |
| 17:31.36 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 17:32.06 | Lepton | its both JademusSreg |
| 17:32.27 | Lepton | ill try to delete shit then |
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| 17:34.36 | Lepton | helped a ton for data, thanks |
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| 17:39.49 | Ahli | also, use searches in data. When it lists less stuff, it needs to update less resulting in faster responses |
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| 17:44.30 | Ahli | hmmm, can configure 2 default UI frames to both use a toggle and sit ontop of each other. But when one is hidden via the toggle, the other frame is moved downwards where the other frame used to be? |
| 17:45.27 | Ahli | *we |
| 17:46.51 | Lepton | uhm |
| 17:47.01 | Lepton | yea well its pretty fast now |
| 17:47.06 | Lepton | just the triggers that are still slow |
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| 18:26.34 | Zandose | yellow all |
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| 18:29.14 | Zandose | hi hi hi im bored |
| 18:31.17 | JademusSreg | No time for boredom; much remains to be done. |
| 18:31.37 | Zandose | too true |
| 18:32.16 | Zandose | must reconfigure terrain deformation system to handle pathings, cliffs, water, etc. |
| 18:34.25 | Zandose | is it possible to make a multi-boolean and only allow the player to select one option? Or must I use presets? |
| 18:34.33 | Zandose | variable |
| 18:36.13 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 18:36.17 | JademusSreg | Clarify. |
| 18:36.30 | Zandose | never mind. i just went this my solution |
| 18:36.45 | Zandose | just used a preset for selection |
| 18:37.22 | Zandose | uh... something while selection options for a function you'll be presented with check-boxes and need to select a option |
| 18:37.28 | Zandose | sometimes* |
| 18:37.34 | Zandose | err |
| 18:37.56 | Zandose | uh... sometimes while selecting options for a function you'll be presented with check-boxes and need to select one or more |
| 18:42.32 | Zandose | is having a basic map take up over 1g of memory bad? |
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| 18:57.45 | JademusSreg | I imagine that depends on how much RAM one has available. |
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| 19:41.49 | MoonEater | ~seen Zolden |
| 19:41.59 | purl | zolden <Zolden@88.135.4.202> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 6d 22h 1m 46s ago, saying: 'it's simple and mighty'. |
| 19:41.59 | MoonEater | fk u pearl |
| 19:42.42 | DeadZergling | ~seen MoonEater |
| 19:42.43 | purl | mooneater is currently on #sc2mapster (37m 28s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 44s, last said: 'fk u pearl'. |
| 19:43.05 | MoonEater | ~see Doushebag DeadZergling |
| 19:43.05 | purl | ACTION whispers to Doushebag DeadZergling "You didn't see anything...." |
| 19:43.26 | MoonEater | jpjp |
| 19:43.30 | MoonEater | sup zergling? |
| 19:43.57 | Lepton | is a 300 line trigger firing every .2 second a bad thing? |
| 19:43.59 | DeadZergling | not too much, just making 0 progress on actual modding as I try to figure out how I want my boss 3 to be |
| 19:44.05 | MoonEater | depends |
| 19:44.07 | Unclesatan | depends leptop |
| 19:44.09 | Unclesatan | lepton |
| 19:44.26 | MoonEater | also 300 line trigger shouldnt be able to run |
| 19:44.28 | DeadZergling | he asked a question, and you guys give him adult diaper ads :P |
| 19:44.32 | MoonEater | there a limit of like 60 lines? |
| 19:44.44 | Lepton | is has a few arithmetics and unit spaws and conditions checks |
| 19:44.47 | MoonEater | well if it all loops then yes |
| 19:44.53 | MoonEater | if it all setting veriables then no |
| 19:44.57 | Lepton | 60 lines? hahaha |
| 19:44.59 | Lepton | funny |
| 19:45.08 | Lepton | 90% of my triggers have over 100 lines |
| 19:45.17 | DeadZergling | I'm clearly breaking trigger law in that case |
| 19:45.19 | MoonEater | there has been threads in the forums |
| 19:45.25 | MoonEater | that there is a limit to thread sizes |
| 19:45.30 | MoonEater | that u have to break them up |
| 19:45.38 | Lepton | yea i had to do this once |
| 19:45.43 | Lepton | shit was like 1500 lines |
| 19:45.50 | MoonEater | why so many lines |
| 19:45.55 | MoonEater | thats rediculous for a trigger |
| 19:46.02 | Lepton | cause im bad at mapping? |
| 19:46.02 | MoonEater | u need more functions |
| 19:46.09 | Lepton | yea I do that too |
| 19:46.14 | Lepton | i do action definitions |
| 19:46.16 | Lepton | helps a ton |
| 19:46.18 | Dustin|Dev | This is not 1990, we have a thing called OOP |
| 19:46.25 | MoonEater | LOLZ |
| 19:46.27 | Lepton | oop? |
| 19:46.33 | Dustin|Dev | Split up your code into well maintained functions |
| 19:46.40 | Dustin|Dev | oop = Object Oriented Programming |
| 19:46.44 | MoonEater | object oriented programming |
| 19:46.49 | Lepton | whats difference between functions and action definitions? |
| 19:46.59 | MoonEater | well some of use like to live in the past |
| 19:47.00 | Dustin|Dev | Functions Return Values Actions don't |
| 19:47.03 | MoonEater | with punch cards |
| 19:47.18 | Lepton | ah |
| 19:47.20 | MoonEater | and this is barely oop i mean i cant pass arrays to funtions |
| 19:47.24 | Lepton | then i should use actions |
| 19:47.25 | Dustin|Dev | It's funny you say that as I program in OOP a Digital timeclock program :P |
| 19:47.27 | MoonEater | i have to make them an object then pass them |
| 19:47.34 | Dustin|Dev | Yes Actions in this sense |
| 19:48.00 | DeadZergling | Action Definition, because void functions just wouldn't be cool enough for Starcraft 2 |
| 19:48.12 | MoonEater | Theres no difference |
| 19:48.19 | Dustin|Dev | Hey, they had to confuse newbs somehow |
| 19:48.22 | MoonEater | its just a prefilled out function |
| 19:48.30 | DeadZergling | you can make functions void of course |
| 19:48.30 | MoonEater | Shuddap dustin |
| 19:48.32 | MoonEater | hes not a noob |
| 19:48.35 | Lepton | even if you split your trigger into actions, the computing power needed is the same |
| 19:48.38 | DeadZergling | but then each time you wanna call it |
| 19:48.44 | Lepton | it will help with clarity but not with lag, right? |
| 19:48.47 | DeadZergling | custom script time! |
| 19:48.48 | MoonEater | Lepton this is true |
| 19:48.55 | Dustin|Dev | NOt necesarily |
| 19:49.06 | DeadZergling | General rule of course is.... |
| 19:49.11 | DeadZergling | If you do something more than once |
| 19:49.14 | DeadZergling | Make a function |
| 19:49.18 | MoonEater | nono |
| 19:49.21 | Dustin|Dev | If your single function takes to long to execute and you've got no multithreading then seperating that out will have huge results |
| 19:49.26 | MoonEater | more than once in more than one trigger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:49.55 | MoonEater | like i have a function called AllHumans and Total Players |
| 19:50.09 | MoonEater | whenever i want to know how many players r playing |
| 19:50.15 | MoonEater | i just call up total players |
| 19:50.29 | MoonEater | or if i want to pick All humans for a loop |
| 19:50.32 | MoonEater | i can call that also |
| 19:50.37 | MoonEater | makes life very easy |
| 19:50.37 | Dustin|Dev | Yeah functions are awesome when you need to make yourself a set of API calls |
| 19:50.38 | DeadZergling | don't they already have that function predefined? |
| 19:50.48 | MoonEater | no |
| 19:50.51 | MoonEater | blizzard = idiot |
| 19:51.02 | MoonEater | u can call active players |
| 19:51.07 | MoonEater | but they grab the comps also |
| 19:51.11 | MoonEater | and neutral |
| 19:51.18 | MoonEater | so u either have to arithmitic them out |
| 19:51.18 | MoonEater | or |
| 19:51.24 | MoonEater | conditions |
| 19:51.42 | DeadZergling | granted I don't particularly care how many players are playing most the time |
| 19:51.43 | MoonEater | all humans calls activeplayers then filters out comps and nuetral |
| 19:51.50 | MoonEater | neither do i |
| 19:52.04 | DeadZergling | I only check at start of the game, and whenever a player leaves |
| 19:52.05 | MoonEater | that function is appart of a library i move to all my maps |
| 19:52.13 | DeadZergling | to adjust monster hp/damage/move speed/xp amount |
| 19:52.28 | MoonEater | but i bet u pick each player alot |
| 19:52.40 | MoonEater | i bet u put each player into a player group called players |
| 19:52.44 | MoonEater | and call that group |
| 19:52.54 | MoonEater | and ur leave trigger remove it from that group |
| 19:53.01 | DeadZergling | hrrrmm, not really |
| 19:53.05 | MoonEater | which is fine but i personaly think its too much work |
| 19:53.34 | MoonEater | i think jade likes his players that way also |
| 19:53.34 | MoonEater | XD |
| 19:53.40 | MoonEater | in a group |
| 19:53.40 | MoonEater | XD |
| 19:53.45 | Unclesatan | I have a two line script in my two map loops that determine players playing |
| 19:53.49 | MoonEater | made a funny |
| 19:53.54 | Unclesatan | well |
| 19:54.03 | Unclesatan | my one updater trigger that is |
| 19:54.09 | MoonEater | ya |
| 19:54.12 | Unclesatan | and the initialize trigger |
| 19:54.21 | MoonEater | thats cool but its technicaly slower than my all humans |
| 19:54.23 | Dustin|Dev | I use a player group too |
| 19:54.32 | MoonEater | cause my all humans calculates instantly but its not appriciable |
| 19:54.36 | Unclesatan | I just don't see how, it's practically instantly |
| 19:54.55 | MoonEater | i try to keep periodics to a minimum |
| 19:55.04 | Unclesatan | i only have one trigger in my whole map that is periodic |
| 19:55.21 | MoonEater | usaly i have 2 periodics in my map a 1 sec and a 5 sec that fires off triggers |
| 19:55.25 | Dustin|Dev | That could be bad and good depending on the setup |
| 19:55.41 | DeadZergling | I tend more towards pick each unit in a specific region |
| 19:55.43 | Unclesatan | Well I'm using galaxyscript so I can afford it I think |
| 19:55.57 | MoonEater | They say that the soul of a programmer is reflected in his code |
| 19:56.00 | MoonEater | UR SOUL SUCKS |
| 19:56.01 | DeadZergling | is a lot more relevant for what I need |
| 19:56.02 | MoonEater | XD |
| 19:56.03 | Dustin|Dev | Yeah, if you're doing it right it's a damn good plan |
| 19:56.06 | MoonEater | made another funny |
| 19:56.11 | Dustin|Dev | But if done wrong it could be reallly messy lol |
| 19:56.31 | DeadZergling | You keep using that word, funny. |
| 19:56.40 | DeadZergling | I do not think it means what you think it means. |
| 19:56.47 | Dustin|Dev | lol |
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| 19:57.07 | MoonEater | thats why its worded like that |
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| 19:57.55 | MoonEater | anyone know the basics to exporting a file to 3ds? |
| 19:58.31 | Dustin|Dev | From what? |
| 19:58.35 | MoonEater | m3 |
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| 19:59.05 | MoonEater | i wish zoldan was here he knows about this nonsence |
| 19:59.07 | DeadZergling | heh, http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1406#comic |
| 19:59.33 | Dustin|Dev | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/m3-export-plugin-3ds-max/ |
| 19:59.33 | MoonEater | LOZL! |
| 19:59.42 | Dustin|Dev | Hmm |
| 19:59.42 | MoonEater | read that |
| 19:59.45 | MoonEater | thanks anyways |
| 19:59.46 | Dustin|Dev | Can't find any Importers |
| 20:00.12 | Dustin|Dev | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/m3-import-plugin/files/1-m3-import-0-11-plugin-for-3ds-max/ |
| 20:00.16 | Dustin|Dev | Might check that? |
| 20:00.18 | MoonEater | who was it that made that paper map? |
| 20:00.31 | Dustin|Dev | uhh wasn't it A1win ? |
| 20:00.36 | Dustin|Dev | I can't remember... |
| 20:00.39 | A1win | not me |
| 20:00.43 | Dustin|Dev | That was like right after beta he was working on it |
| 20:01.43 | MoonEater | naw |
| 20:01.45 | MoonEater | was longer than that |
| 20:01.46 | MoonEater | 2 years ago |
| 20:02.11 | MoonEater | so |
| 20:02.19 | DeadZergling | how is the bus stop going A1win? |
| 20:02.37 | Lepton | if I use "triggering unit" in an action definition inside a trigger will it work? |
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| 20:02.48 | MoonEater | no |
| 20:02.49 | MoonEater | well |
| 20:02.51 | A1win | I'm editing my old half-life maps for a hide & seek server mod ;p |
| 20:02.51 | MoonEater | not sure |
| 20:02.53 | Lepton | or do I have to make a p[arameter |
| 20:02.57 | MoonEater | but u should pass the variable |
| 20:03.00 | MoonEater | to be on the correct side |
| 20:03.07 | MoonEater | make a paramiter |
| 20:03.13 | Dustin|Dev | Lepton, no you have to pass the value to the action |
| 20:03.25 | Lepton | ok ty |
| 20:03.43 | MoonEater | u sure dustin? i think i might have done ti once..... |
| 20:03.46 | MoonEater | by accident |
| 20:03.52 | G0A | PFFFF |
| 20:04.19 | G0A | command card shortcuts still work if you are typing into an editbox.... |
| 20:04.38 | Dustin|Dev | MoonEater, I think if you make an action that doesn't start a new thread it might work? But I doubt it, you should test it. But I bet it will error out saying that there was no event unit for it |
| 20:05.43 | MoonEater | Dustin|Dev, ya well i dont like making my code like that and probably never will i think its faulty coding but like dad always says, if it looks stupid but works then its not stupid |
| 20:06.27 | DeadZergling | triggering anything doesn't sound like such a great idea in anything other than a trigger |
| 20:06.44 | MoonEater | Anyways i want to make a single building share upgrades for a team, what r my options? i think the only one is whoever selects it controls it? |
| 20:07.09 | DeadZergling | it might work in a function or action definition in the purest sense, but what that triggering unit might be is up for grabs... |
| 20:07.09 | Unclesatan | trigger it |
| 20:07.12 | Unclesatan | You can cause upgrades for a player |
| 20:07.33 | Unclesatan | oh a single building |
| 20:07.35 | Unclesatan | right |
| 20:07.40 | Unclesatan | I had troubles with that too. |
| 20:08.25 | MoonEater | OH |
| 20:08.33 | MoonEater | i make the building controlable |
| 20:08.38 | Unclesatan | if you figure that out let me know |
| 20:08.39 | MoonEater | shared control |
| 20:08.41 | MoonEater | then |
| 20:08.44 | MoonEater | i use triggers |
| 20:08.51 | MoonEater | to sort the players clicking the upgrades |
| 20:08.58 | MoonEater | which are dummy abilities |
| 20:09.11 | Unclesatan | right |
| 20:09.16 | MoonEater | The issue is.... |
| 20:09.28 | MoonEater | i cant make the upgrade disapear after use.... |
| 20:09.36 | MoonEater | but i can disable the ability for player?? |
| 20:09.36 | Unclesatan | yeah you can |
| 20:09.48 | Unclesatan | i'm pretty sure you can |
| 20:10.00 | MoonEater | well i know i can disable abilities for players |
| 20:10.24 | Unclesatan | yea |
| 20:10.35 | Unclesatan | idk how to do it in GUI but here's the script i used to do it |
| 20:10.38 | Unclesatan | TechTreeUnitAllow(inc, UnitGetType(HeroUnit[owner]), false ); |
| 20:11.07 | Unclesatan | you can do that with upgrades or abilities too i'm pretty sure |
| 20:12.38 | Unclesatan | inc being the player |
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| 20:17.32 | DeadZergling | It's Zolden, quick nab him! |
| 20:17.39 | Zolden | hey |
| 20:17.50 | Unclesatan | did that work moon? |
| 20:18.04 | Unclesatan | or help, i guess |
| 20:18.17 | DeadZergling | Where you been Zolden? Off of IRC to work on map harder? |
| 20:18.37 | Zolden | MoonEater I heard that moon getting smaller, is it you? |
| 20:18.52 | MoonEater | oh hi u doushe |
| 20:18.55 | MoonEater | ive been looking for u |
| 20:18.59 | Zolden | DeadZergling I was in countryside, consuming short russian summer |
| 20:19.06 | Zolden | *have been |
| 20:19.58 | DeadZergling | that's Zolden for you |
| 20:20.06 | DeadZergling | he doesn't enjoy the weather, he eats it |
| 20:20.26 | MoonEater | then makes fun of people who eat moon pies |
| 20:20.50 | DeadZergling | who does eat those anyways |
| 20:23.51 | MoonEater | i duno |
| 20:23.52 | MoonEater | i dont |
| 20:23.56 | MoonEater | i hate them |
| 20:24.27 | Zolden | DeadZergling I've been here, you can imagine me instead of my cat http://i.snag.gy/3UGHs.jpg |
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| 20:26.21 | Zolden | how are you maps doing everybody? |
| 20:26.33 | Unclesatan | good! |
| 20:26.34 | Fate_ | good |
| 20:26.39 | Zolden | or the cosy world of mapmaking is finally destroyed? |
| 20:26.41 | Unclesatan | nother 4 weeks and i'll have something playable |
| 20:26.46 | Zolden | glad your maps doing good |
| 20:26.51 | Fate_ | haveing good progess with my 3rd race |
| 20:26.54 | Zolden | this brings hope into my heart |
| 20:27.10 | Unclesatan | me too! :D |
| 20:27.13 | Zolden | Fate_ omg, still starhammer? |
| 20:27.17 | Fate_ | sure |
| 20:27.29 | Zolden | is it as polished as mona lisa? |
| 20:27.33 | Fate_ | ill mapp this forevaaaaa |
| 20:27.37 | Zolden | :)) |
| 20:27.58 | DeadZergling | another 4 weeks and.... |
| 20:28.01 | Zolden | Unclesatan first playable version means alot of bugs |
| 20:28.05 | Zolden | remember it |
| 20:28.10 | DeadZergling | I'll still be a long ways away from being done |
| 20:28.33 | Fate_ | what u mapping Deadzergling? |
| 20:28.49 | Zolden | DeadZergling just leave your wife and kids, leave job, go full timem mapping |
| 20:29.50 | Zolden | MoonEater are you making mooneating map? something like pacman, but moons instead of points? |
| 20:30.00 | MoonEater | I AM SUMMONED! |
| 20:30.08 | DeadZergling | bit of a flaw in that plan, would lack money for electricity |
| 20:30.13 | DeadZergling | or internet |
| 20:30.17 | DeadZergling | or a place to do mapping |
| 20:30.26 | Zolden | sorry, MoonEater it is too important to not summon you |
| 20:30.33 | MoonEater | its cool |
| 20:30.35 | MoonEater | naw |
| 20:30.43 | MoonEater | im making more classics remakes |
| 20:30.46 | MoonEater | that arnt doing well |
| 20:30.51 | Unclesatan | Yeah that's for sure. That's why I'm saying 4 weeks, because testing might take a long time |
| 20:30.52 | MoonEater | still has hope yet |
| 20:31.06 | Zolden | MoonEater remakes? good! what are you remaking this time? |
| 20:31.08 | Unclesatan | Right now there aren't many bugs |
| 20:31.22 | Unclesatan | yah sc2 needs more remakes. |
| 20:31.30 | MoonEater | well ive been reamping protect bob some more, now im doing a nexus destroyer remake |
| 20:31.37 | MoonEater | the testing been very favorable |
| 20:31.40 | Zolden | bug fixing is a process that brings pain and pleasure |
| 20:32.06 | Lajjla | Zolden, es ist zeit für rache |
| 20:32.19 | Zolden | MoonEater so, under classic you mean classic wc3 maps? i thought u're talking about old pc games from 90ths |
| 20:32.27 | Zolden | Lajjla hitler kaputten |
| 20:32.34 | Unclesatan | that would be cool too but i was also speaking of wc3 maps |
| 20:32.35 | MoonEater | protect bob is from sc1 |
| 20:32.38 | MoonEater | 1995 |
| 20:32.40 | Unclesatan | i plan on bringing back a sc1 map too |
| 20:32.42 | DeadZergling | the best bugs are crash the map bugs |
| 20:32.51 | Zolden | protect boob? |
| 20:32.59 | MoonEater | yes |
| 20:33.01 | MoonEater | from sc1 |
| 20:33.15 | MoonEater | ive never played wc3 |
| 20:33.22 | Zolden | same |
| 20:33.25 | Unclesatan | the only bug i found so far is that if i leave the game on for 3 hours after casting this certain spell on a character, his actors don't get created the next time i cast the spell. |
| 20:33.27 | Lajjla | Zolden, ich lieb deinen schwulen arsch |
| 20:33.31 | MoonEater | wc1 and 2 and 2expansion really turned me off to wc series |
| 20:33.49 | Unclesatan | it only happens with that one spell though, and i'm sure it has to do with actor events |
| 20:34.04 | Unclesatan | i think i had this conversation with you once before, you really missed out on wc3 |
| 20:34.04 | Zolden | wc1 1 was fun... looked better than dune2 |
| 20:34.24 | Zolden | i know, but we don't have time machine |
| 20:34.29 | MoonEater | Zolden |
| 20:34.33 | Unclesatan | wc1 and 2 were good but the map making community for wc3 was huge |
| 20:34.44 | Unclesatan | good times |
| 20:35.00 | DeadZergling | I'm sure it was, even my little brother attempted maps for that |
| 20:35.04 | DeadZergling | and he never does anything... |
| 20:35.11 | MoonEater | Zolden, help pretty awsome export models |
| 20:35.13 | MoonEater | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/55125-showcase-my-gosu-cutscenes/ |
| 20:35.13 | Unclesatan | it was much easier than sc2 |
| 20:35.16 | DeadZergling | he just sits at home, playing video games and watching over his cats... |
| 20:35.18 | Unclesatan | probably why there was so many more maps |
| 20:35.31 | Unclesatan | lol... |
| 20:35.41 | DeadZergling | so if he could figure it out |
| 20:35.51 | DeadZergling | yea..... |
| 20:35.52 | Unclesatan | ahahahaah |
| 20:36.00 | Zolden | MoonEater ok, maybe |
| 20:36.04 | Unclesatan | i hardly play video games any more xD |
| 20:36.11 | Unclesatan | too much developing |
| 20:36.33 | MoonEater | damn i had to cut into my masterbation time so i can develop more |
| 20:36.41 | Unclesatan | however wc3 had alot of genuinely fun maps |
| 20:36.45 | Unclesatan | ikr |
| 20:36.57 | Unclesatan | i barely do that anymore either, i grew a beard developing and i'm like ok wtf |
| 20:37.04 | Unclesatan | forget to shave for a month |
| 20:37.06 | DeadZergling | so those are the moonpies Zolden was talking about! |
| 20:37.18 | MoonEater | LOLZ |
| 20:37.22 | MoonEater | i actually do that |
| 20:37.32 | MoonEater | school 4 days a week |
| 20:37.38 | MoonEater | so thursday to monday i dont save |
| 20:37.40 | MoonEater | shave |
| 20:37.43 | MoonEater | and im in class |
| 20:37.52 | MoonEater | and i relalize i look like a bum |
| 20:37.57 | MoonEater | with a crappy beard |
| 20:38.06 | Unclesatan | lmao |
| 20:38.08 | Unclesatan | it's the worst |
| 20:38.20 | DeadZergling | so in other words, you want to look nice for the ladies? |
| 20:38.55 | Unclesatan | well |
| 20:38.56 | MoonEater | no, i want to not look like a bum |
| 20:39.04 | Unclesatan | old people can be douche to you if you look scraggly |
| 20:39.06 | Unclesatan | seriously |
| 20:39.07 | MoonEater | if i look too nice my gf asks questions |
| 20:39.13 | MoonEater | and starts rummaging though my chat logs |
| 20:39.23 | Unclesatan | lol |
| 20:39.51 | DeadZergling | vanity, something I've never understood |
| 20:40.00 | Zolden | just get hitler moustache |
| 20:40.19 | MoonEater | she doesnt understand that |
| 20:40.20 | DeadZergling | just like Michael Jordan did for one of his underwear commercials! |
| 20:40.25 | MoonEater | shes from the philipines |
| 20:40.26 | Zolden | ladies will ask you about and it will be a first connection that will bring your penis intop their vaginas |
| 20:40.31 | MoonEater | i tried to show her redneck jokes |
| 20:40.37 | MoonEater | and she didnt get any of it |
| 20:40.49 | MoonEater | some of them she thought they were making fun of philipinos |
| 20:40.58 | Zolden | punch her as a redneck joke, she will understand |
| 20:41.32 | Zolden | minorities are touchy |
| 20:41.51 | MoonEater | shes not american she doesnt know what a redneck is |
| 20:41.54 | MoonEater | or how they behave |
| 20:42.18 | DeadZergling | I shave when my face gets too itchy to sleep with |
| 20:42.21 | DeadZergling | that is about it |
| 20:43.22 | DeadZergling | hrrrrmm, if you are going to college though |
| 20:43.27 | DeadZergling | doesn't that make you a real bum? |
| 20:43.50 | JademusSreg | Hah |
| 20:43.52 | DeadZergling | or are you one of those students with a part time job? |
| 20:44.04 | MoonEater | na real bum |
| 20:44.14 | DeadZergling | so what's the problem with looking like one? |
| 20:44.22 | MoonEater | 16 units with contracting work on the side |
| 20:44.23 | DeadZergling | And why is it bearded = bum? |
| 20:44.53 | MoonEater | just how i feel |
| 20:45.05 | DeadZergling | Could be worse, you could be a hipster. |
| 20:45.06 | MoonEater | why r we analizing my life all of a suddeen |
| 20:45.09 | MoonEater | lolz |
| 20:45.18 | MoonEater | sucide is painless |
| 20:45.24 | DeadZergling | because it is so easy to wonder about |
| 20:45.30 | DeadZergling | and pick apart |
| 20:46.42 | Lepton | how do i remove sound from a unit? |
| 20:46.54 | Lepton | shit bugs and loops |
| 20:47.03 | MoonEater | actor |
| 20:47.05 | MoonEater | unit actor |
| 20:47.07 | MoonEater | has sounds |
| 20:47.12 | MoonEater | go to sound event + |
| 20:47.58 | Lepton | can i remove the sounds from the unit or can I just remove the .ogg from the sound thing? |
| 20:48.18 | Lepton | 1 sec |
| 20:48.43 | DeadZergling | Don't worry MoonEater, later we can ask A1win why he fell off the bus again. |
| 20:49.36 | MoonEater | heheh |
| 20:49.39 | MoonEater | he did? |
| 20:49.50 | DeadZergling | not yet, but he will |
| 20:50.24 | JademusSreg | Haha, vanity. Managing one's personal aesthetic has utility. Identity is informed by relationships; how others respond to one through social interaction influences one's self-perception. In turn, managing many different relationships in various contexts informs a multifaceted identity, and conversely isolation results in a uncertain or unstable perception of self. It follows that one should |
| 20:50.24 | JademusSreg | want to cultivate positive self-perception by engineering positive perception by others, and looking good is one avenue to that objective. |
| 20:50.45 | DeadZergling | Can hardly wait for A1win to shock us all by releasing an amazing map, get top 10 for weeks on end |
| 20:51.03 | DeadZergling | but until then, it is fun to talk to him referring to his bus analogy |
| 20:51.35 | A1win | I'm just giving you guys a few year head start, my bus drives fast o: |
| 20:52.25 | MoonEater | JademusSreg knock that shit off XD |
| 20:53.09 | MoonEater | oh i get the bus thing... |
| 20:53.30 | JademusSreg | Dunno what you mean, Moon, but refuse nonetheless. |
| 20:53.32 | DeadZergling | I might need a decade head start |
| 20:53.36 | DeadZergling | rate my project goes some days |
| 20:54.16 | DeadZergling | and my astounding ability to overcomplicate everything instantly |
| 20:54.29 | MoonEater | i do that with libraries |
| 20:54.31 | MoonEater | :( |
| 20:55.37 | DeadZergling | keep thinking about my boss 3 |
| 20:55.56 | DeadZergling | what to give him to make him harder than boss 1 and boss 2, but not steal ideas I already have for future bosses |
| 20:56.09 | DeadZergling | and overcomplicated ways to do things, lol |
| 20:56.41 | JademusSreg | Movement. |
| 20:57.04 | DeadZergling | by the way Zolden, how hard would it be to make Drone spellcasting animations? |
| 20:58.46 | DeadZergling | Decided to change boss models, lurker is far too limited in animations, switched over to Drone instead |
| 20:59.47 | JademusSreg | Attaching models can be useful. |
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| 21:00.45 | DeadZergling | yea, I've seen some of it, wasn't overly impressed |
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| 21:01.00 | MoonEater | jade |
| 21:01.07 | JademusSreg | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1049551/Starcraft%202/Stukov%20and%20Infested%20Friends.jpg |
| 21:01.09 | DeadZergling | only decent zerg attachments I've seen were spine crawlers |
| 21:01.10 | MoonEater | i got a questioon.... |
| 21:01.21 | DeadZergling | but that isn't the direction I am going |
| 21:01.52 | MoonEater | Jade i want one unit shared by a team when a player clicks he gets a command card full of upgrades for that player |
| 21:02.02 | MoonEater | whats the best way to achieve thing u think? |
| 21:02.16 | DeadZergling | yea, too clunky looking for me |
| 21:02.45 | JademusSreg | Another player slot owning the unit, alliance state shared control. |
| 21:03.07 | JademusSreg | However, if it's for -upgrades-, then no. |
| 21:03.38 | JademusSreg | If the upgrades aren't shared, you'd probably have a copy of the unit for each player. |
| 21:03.38 | DeadZergling | attachments can be really awesome, especially for terrans |
| 21:04.03 | DeadZergling | it just doesn't look right on zerg though |
| 21:04.32 | JademusSreg | Deadz, curious why one would get stuck on something aesthetic, not integral to the gameplay, unless it's close to release. |
| 21:04.56 | DeadZergling | because I have to be able to look at the boss without going into the editor and deleting him |
| 21:05.26 | JademusSreg | Haha, silly. |
| 21:05.38 | DeadZergling | one has to be able to live with their own work you know |
| 21:05.45 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 21:06.14 | JademusSreg | So long as it's not impeding development. |
| 21:06.19 | DeadZergling | aesthetics are especially important for monsters/bosses to me |
| 21:06.25 | DeadZergling | since they serve as a clue for players |
| 21:06.29 | DeadZergling | as to what they are doing |
| 21:06.37 | DeadZergling | so they can avoid it or take appropriate countermeasures |
| 21:08.21 | JademusSreg | Of course. I mean only to point out that waiting for a door to open is a poor use of time when one can open it oneself or open another. So long as you're not letting it slow you down, no worries. |
| 21:10.25 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 21:11.08 | Zolden | DeadZergling if there is a drone model, it shouldbn't be harder then other animations |
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| 21:14.50 | Zolden | argh |
| 21:14.53 | pirate | yarr |
| 21:15.39 | pirate | is there an obviously easy way to send move command to highlighted units on left click instead of right? |
| 21:17.21 | Zolden | can we detect left click on map? |
| 21:17.26 | Zolden | guess we can |
| 21:18.10 | pirate | well yes, but a data driven way that won't be affected by latency |
| 21:18.37 | Zolden | what if it's not possible? |
| 21:18.58 | Zolden | G0A have you read "the futurologic congress"? |
| 21:21.33 | G0A | nope |
| 21:21.35 | G0A | author? |
| 21:22.14 | G0A | ahh Stanis?aw Lem :D |
| 21:23.04 | G0A | is it good? |
| 21:23.42 | Zolden | it's great |
| 21:24.02 | Zolden | it and "Ubik" by Philip Dick |
| 21:24.20 | G0A | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Congress_(2013_film) |
| 21:24.30 | Zolden | they shuld be red together |
| 21:24.43 | Zolden | oh, nice |
| 21:25.07 | Zolden | this reminded me to checl clockwork orange movie after i just read the book |
| 21:25.24 | G0A | :D |
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| 21:25.38 | Wrath | Yo, does anybody know if it's possible to move without turning? |
| 21:25.43 | G0A | which one should I read first? |
| 21:26.02 | Zolden | I did Ubik first and it felt good |
| 21:26.12 | Zolden | Ubik is just better |
| 21:26.29 | Zolden | but it's like comparing everest and calimanjaru |
| 21:27.08 | Zolden | and I suspect both were written not without some different substances |
| 21:27.34 | G0A | :D |
| 21:28.14 | MoonEater | hello |
| 21:28.14 | Zolden | also, I must say that reading books is almost as good as mapping |
| 21:28.15 | MoonEater | again |
| 21:29.06 | G0A | Zolden well lately I was doing mapping |
| 21:29.14 | Zolden | it's like another programmer creates the "hello world" program, and the world is like "fuck you motherfuckers, say hello to you fucken dicks, bitches!" |
| 21:29.28 | G0A | though at least I lstened the Ender's game audio book |
| 21:29.28 | MoonEater | wow... |
| 21:29.32 | MoonEater | that was... deep |
| 21:30.16 | Zolden | G0A mapping and listening a book? it's hardcore and requires multitasking |
| 21:30.23 | Zolden | ceasor could easily do it though |
| 21:30.36 | Zolden | ceasar |
| 21:30.54 | G0A | hehe |
| 21:31.00 | G0A | nope |
| 21:31.13 | G0A | I done the listening while being under hang over:D |
| 21:31.44 | Zolden | cmon, I told you, do weed -> hang over is over |
| 21:32.36 | pirate | also, zolden, can you give a rough explanation of how this works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7oXwVAPQrvo |
| 21:32.38 | pirate | o.O |
| 21:32.44 | G0A | So typical, there is a Hungarian film from a Stanislaw book and I dont even know about it http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408060/ |
| 21:33.14 | Zolden | even befor clicking the link i do a guess: it's solaris |
| 21:33.20 | pirate | I'm guessing the protoss skin color is from texturesetbyID swaps, the armor is team color, and emissives are emissives |
| 21:33.30 | Zolden | hmm |
| 21:33.34 | pirate | kueken's thing |
| 21:33.54 | Wrath | That sounds about right |
| 21:34.02 | MoonEater | its doen by triggers probably sending a message to actor's scope |
| 21:34.07 | Zolden | pirate i think it's 2 team color cahnnels |
| 21:34.12 | Zolden | ask him, i don't remember |
| 21:34.22 | pirate | you can have 2 different team colors? |
| 21:34.27 | pirate | dafuq |
| 21:34.30 | Zolden | yea, looks like |
| 21:34.46 | MoonEater | there is also texure swapping comand in triggers |
| 21:34.48 | Zolden | and you can then set them in actorm messages |
| 21:35.18 | pirate | texture swapping is different than adjusting the exact hue of multiple pieces though |
| 21:35.29 | pirate | did you do the skin editing for that one, zold? |
| 21:35.32 | G0A | no I knew about Solaris. It was good movie even though they totally fucked up the original story:D |
| 21:35.38 | Zolden | pirate yea |
| 21:35.49 | Wrath | Ooooh okay, making a unit move without turning is as simple as unchecking "Turnable" in the unit flags |
| 21:35.55 | Wrath | I figured it would probably fail to move if I did that |
| 21:36.20 | Zolden | yea, movie makers like to simplify or change stuff... sometimes it work, sometimes not |
| 21:37.11 | Zolden | Wrath your question has answers on forum ->99.9% |
| 21:37.38 | demalii | If anyone has any clues to accomplishing this task, please please help!: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/terrain/54995-cliff-side-textures-and-the-variances-how-to-edit/#p2 |
| 21:39.04 | Wrath | Zolden, I already looked. |
| 21:39.12 | Wrath | I figured it out myself, anyways. |
| 21:39.20 | Zolden | gj then |
| 21:39.21 | MoonEater | demalii, have u looked at the model? |
| 21:39.23 | Wrath | Now the tough part is going to make the actor turn when I want it to. |
| 21:39.28 | MoonEater | there is usaly a variance section |
| 21:39.34 | MoonEater | i would think that u did that already |
| 21:39.45 | demalii | as to export the model to 3ds? |
| 21:39.46 | Zolden | blizz maybe failed on tips to data fields, but names are udnerstandable sometimes at least |
| 21:39.49 | demalii | and reimport? |
| 21:40.09 | Zolden | demalii i guess |
| 21:40.33 | demalii | I used to delete the variances from the asset, there fore the variances were not there, only the ones I wanted |
| 21:40.44 | demalii | this seems impossible now, because the editor repairs assets on opening |
| 21:40.46 | G0A | Zolden the Hungarian Stanislaw film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VorGmTXe84 I have a feeling that its crappy |
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| 21:42.21 | MoonEater | How do i change the custom resource's name? |
| 21:42.43 | Zolden | G0A look like documental |
| 21:42.57 | G0A | its not |
| 21:43.08 | demalii | I can't believe 3 years sc2 been out, and there's no documentation for cliffside variances |
| 21:43.15 | demalii | and no one rly knows |
| 21:43.20 | demalii | sad days |
| 21:43.31 | Zolden | yea, it's crappy :) |
| 21:43.40 | demalii | sigh |
| 21:43.52 | demalii | well this is why we have about 10 map makers |
| 21:43.59 | MoonEater | u might be able to override assets |
| 21:44.04 | MoonEater | actually im sure u can |
| 21:44.09 | MoonEater | here look at this |
| 21:44.12 | demalii | I have tried modifying assets |
| 21:44.14 | Zolden | yes, use a file with the exact same root/name |
| 21:44.21 | Zolden | and it wilwl be overriden like a bitch |
| 21:44.24 | demalii | and opening editor with those, but the editor tries to repair |
| 21:44.44 | Zolden | just import with the same name |
| 21:44.49 | MoonEater | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/14933-texture-how-to-change-resource-icon/ |
| 21:44.52 | demalii | hm |
| 21:44.55 | MoonEater | u can probably use the same method |
| 21:44.56 | MoonEater | for clifs |
| 21:45.06 | MoonEater | in the tutorial he points assets to dummy assets |
| 21:45.38 | MoonEater | so normaly the icon for minerals is pointing to a mineral.dds he changes it to point to a newminerals.dds |
| 21:45.49 | MoonEater | u might be able todo the same with the cliff assets |
| 21:45.51 | demalii | hm, perhaps.. |
| 21:45.55 | MoonEater | so they stop healing themselves |
| 21:46.11 | demalii | but I'm trying to "remove" something from the asset, not add |
| 21:46.50 | demalii | I will look into it either way, thanks for the lead |
| 21:48.13 | MoonEater | nono |
| 21:48.20 | MoonEater | u copy the asset |
| 21:48.28 | MoonEater | with the removed stuff |
| 21:48.38 | MoonEater | and make the cliff point to this new asset with removed stuff |
| 21:48.38 | G0A | Zolden http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtZqoDWKG6s :D |
| 21:48.59 | demalii | sorry, and this is an "import" thing I would do? |
| 21:49.27 | demalii | i will check the guide before I bother you further |
| 21:49.33 | demalii | thanks a lot moon, much appriciated |
| 21:50.07 | demalii | so I am assuming I can create a new "cliffside", and basically it'll use that one instead of the default "manmade cliffside" |
| 21:50.22 | demalii | perhaps anyways, I will let you know haha |
| 21:52.48 | MoonEater | G0A its like Vendata |
| 21:52.55 | MoonEater | this an anonomous commercial? |
| 21:53.07 | MoonEater | XDXDXDD |
| 21:54.08 | G0A | its pure Stanislaw |
| 21:59.22 | Zolden | G0A sounds like lsd-thoughts |
| 21:59.34 | G0A | ehh |
| 21:59.56 | G0A | if you think like that on lsd, than nice:D |
| 22:00.24 | Zolden | yea, sometimes |
| 22:01.04 | Zolden | once I did mashrooms on a boat under a summer night sky full of stars, and that made me think alot of these things |
| 22:01.43 | G0A | mushrooms are different:D |
| 22:01.50 | Zolden | I'd say Lem has some lsd experience |
| 22:01.53 | G0A | specially if you get good strain:D |
| 22:02.20 | G0A | I am not sure in that, he after all lived in USSR as I know |
| 22:02.49 | Zolden | Poland wasn't part of ussr |
| 22:03.10 | Zolden | and it's much closer to netherlands |
| 22:03.56 | demalii | Mooneater, am I wrong trying to import an asset to a map? |
| 22:04.16 | G0A | hmm somehow I always think Poland was part of USSR |
| 22:04.25 | Zolden | I had a nice strain of mushrooms, the tropical one, I've grow them from spores :) |
| 22:04.42 | G0A | :D |
| 22:04.52 | MoonEater | demaliidemalii |
| 22:04.55 | MoonEater | damnd |
| 22:04.57 | MoonEater | 1 sec |
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| 22:05.25 | MoonEater | sorry |
| 22:05.26 | Zolden | Poland was captured by russia multiple times, and russia was captured by poland once, but sooner orl ater we become different contries again |
| 22:05.28 | MoonEater | chat got messed up |
| 22:05.33 | G0A | Zolden http://www.thenews.pl/1/11/Artykul/133147,Encyclopedia-of-Polish-psychedelia-trips-into-print :D |
| 22:05.35 | MoonEater | demalii, im not sure its a theory |
| 22:05.42 | MoonEater | but i would think that it should work |
| 22:05.46 | MoonEater | the way u think it does |
| 22:06.05 | MoonEater | u import the modifacation's to assets |
| 22:06.26 | MoonEater | then u inmport the asset with the remove variation under the name u have chosen |
| 22:06.31 | Zolden | G0A oh, I knew it! his books just tells this |
| 22:06.49 | G0A | Congress trailer : http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2013/05/trailer-the-congress-a-film-based-on-stanislaw-lems-the-futurological-congress/ |
| 22:08.17 | demalii | right ok, i'll deal with it later tonight, thanks again moon |
| 22:09.12 | MoonEater | demalii good luck |
| 22:09.14 | Zolden | G0A lol, they used a chick as the guy |
| 22:09.20 | MoonEater | this is ur moment to contribute big to the comunity |
| 22:09.24 | Zolden | it looks interesting, they have modified the plot a bit |
| 22:09.28 | Zolden | should work |
| 22:09.43 | MoonEater | i dont know about the cartoon work |
| 22:10.04 | MoonEater | this is a more serious movie, they should use a more serious animation |
| 22:10.07 | Zolden | and the animation idea is definitely a good move |
| 22:10.24 | G0A | Zolden "they used a chick as the guy" thats already a sign that they went soft on the story.... |
| 22:10.49 | MoonEater | i mean this is a computer concesness it should be using CAD 100% |
| 22:12.30 | G0A | its should be just 0 or 1 :D |
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| 22:13.16 | Zolden | G0A remember "total recall" movie? |
| 22:13.28 | Zolden | i mean the first one from 90ths |
| 22:13.30 | G0A | hmm |
| 22:13.43 | Zolden | it was based on a short story, they expanded the plot and worked great |
| 22:13.43 | G0A | I remember parts |
| 22:13.45 | MoonEater | THE GOVENATOR!!! |
| 22:13.47 | Zandose | has anyone ever built a 3D skill system? |
| 22:14.00 | MoonEater | ya one guy did i belive |
| 22:14.07 | MoonEater | not very expansive tho |
| 22:14.21 | G0A | Zolden I know that |
| 22:14.24 | MoonEater | like u mean skill treee right? |
| 22:14.25 | Zandose | wouldnt mind taking a look at it |
| 22:14.44 | Zandose | wasnt looking for exactly a skill tree |
| 22:14.47 | Zolden | G0A so, sometimes it not 0 or 1, sometimes it 0.5 or 1.5 |
| 22:15.17 | MoonEater | but a complex skill system for a hero to level into |
| 22:15.21 | MoonEater | right? |
| 22:15.38 | Zandose | I just need a system for displaying a lot of skills and showing how their linked in 3D |
| 22:15.40 | G0A | 3d skill system aka 1 skill has x y z values... |
| 22:15.51 | Zandose | i guess |
| 22:16.02 | Zandose | i dont have any idea what it would be called |
| 22:16.22 | G0A | well |
| 22:16.45 | MoonEater | ah... |
| 22:16.49 | MoonEater | well thats different |
| 22:16.59 | MoonEater | u could make one |
| 22:17.01 | G0A | y represent in skill tree the progress and x the variety of skills, than what would be z? |
| 22:17.10 | MoonEater | the clicking might be abit weird |
| 22:17.18 | MoonEater | if u want to make it interactive with the mouse |
| 22:17.39 | Zandose | i know how to make one i just wanted to know if anyone tried something similer and would like to see it to get ideas. |
| 22:18.10 | MoonEater | in pure 3d no |
| 22:18.21 | MoonEater | well not to my limited knoledge |
| 22:18.35 | MoonEater | makle it rotatable!! |
| 22:18.40 | MoonEater | that would be nice |
| 22:18.57 | G0A | its a bad idea if you dont have something to represent z (depth) |
| 22:19.26 | Zandose | i was thinking of making it 3d with a 2d depth |
| 22:19.42 | JademusSreg | Sounds simple enough. |
| 22:19.53 | Zandose | i was going to use something like dialog images for the skills, beams for the link/connections, and i just change scaling and such to change depth |
| 22:20.17 | MoonEater | JademusSreg, is it possible to change the name of custom resource? |
| 22:20.24 | G0A | anyway gn |
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| 22:20.41 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 22:20.42 | Zandose | so im just wondering what others have done |
| 22:21.31 | MoonEater | JademusSreg TELL ME |
| 22:21.34 | MoonEater | U JERK!! |
| 22:21.45 | MoonEater | XD |
| 22:22.21 | JademusSreg | Change the text from the text editor module. |
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| 22:23.58 | MoonEater | were is it located |
| 22:23.58 | DeadZergling | thanks webchat for neglecting to inform me I lost my connection. |
| 22:24.14 | JademusSreg | Modules > Text |
| 22:26.05 | Zolden | DeadZergling thanks to you for refusing pirating mirc that never does this, and reconnects immediately after it loses connection |
| 22:26.46 | Zolden | JademusSreg oh, btw, can I rename all the attributes in that Text module? |
| 22:27.04 | Zolden | so they would even be renamed in editor? |
| 22:27.16 | JademusSreg | Probably. |
| 22:27.46 | Zandose | does different screen resolutions still effect dialog placement? |
| 22:27.47 | JademusSreg | I've not bothered to test that, but if it is displayed in the text editor, it can probably be changed. |
| 22:28.02 | JademusSreg | Zan, ? |
| 22:28.09 | Zolden | Zandose yea |
| 22:29.08 | JademusSreg | I'm not aware of the trouble people have with dialog positions. |
| 22:29.25 | Zandose | hmm |
| 22:29.47 | JademusSreg | Proper use of anchors and relative offsets should solve any such issues one could have, |
| 22:30.16 | Zandose | people with a widescreen (vs a square screen) have more space, see more map, and add more space for dialogs and thus change the offset amounts |
| 22:30.18 | Zandose | probably |
| 22:30.38 | Zandose | i just has some problems in the past and i think i remember reading something about it being fixed |
| 22:30.54 | MoonEater | JademusSreg |
| 22:31.08 | DeadZergling | did you ever get back to me about drones by the way Zolden? |
| 22:31.08 | MoonEater | wouldnt it be possible to export the m3 for all hots units |
| 22:31.11 | JademusSreg | Why manually position a dialog control above, say, the minimap, when one can anchor it relative to the minimap? |
| 22:31.17 | MoonEater | and import it into a wol map? |
| 22:31.25 | JademusSreg | Moon, yes, and Blizz will ban you. |
| 22:31.29 | MoonEater | and thus bypass hots restrictions? |
| 22:31.34 | MoonEater | FK |
| 22:31.37 | MoonEater | FKING BLIZ |
| 22:31.42 | MoonEater | did they say somthign? |
| 22:31.48 | MoonEater | cause i didnt know anybetter |
| 22:31.54 | JademusSreg | It was made clear a while ago. |
| 22:32.02 | MoonEater | were? |
| 22:32.09 | MoonEater | send me a link so i can scrutenize |
| 22:32.10 | JademusSreg | There's an official statement to that effect. |
| 22:33.34 | MoonEater | does the hots editor allow separation of maps |
| 22:33.35 | Zandose | JademusSreg I do not know or have a good answer. I don't know much about dialogs. A while back i did some tests and made a system to allow me to use the mouse to move and resize a dialog in-game but problems with xy positions getting futher apart the move i moves to one side of the screen. |
| 22:33.44 | MoonEater | or do i need 2 completly separate games? |
| 22:33.59 | Zandose | moon what are you doing? |
| 22:34.00 | Zolden | DeadZergling i'll try it tomorrow |
| 22:34.14 | Zolden | it will probably still today for you |
| 22:34.44 | DeadZergling | yea probably, I'm just brainstorming still on boss abilities/setup |
| 22:35.41 | JademusSreg | https://pastee.org/p7h2c |
| 22:36.03 | Zolden | DeadZergling pm me how should drone anims look like |
| 22:36.11 | JademusSreg | This should help outline some of what dialogs and dialog controls can do. |
| 22:36.12 | Zolden | btw, i don't remember, if we have drones as models in art tools |
| 22:36.29 | Zolden | if we haven't it won't be possible to animate |
| 22:36.44 | DeadZergling | don't suppose you could find out before I PM you descriptions |
| 22:36.56 | JademusSreg | Moon, you'd need to publish two separate versions. |
| 22:36.57 | Zolden | sec |
| 22:37.15 | Zandose | ah i remember now i think. the positional data in relation from xy mouse to xy dialog was off and the workaround fix wasnt perfect |
| 22:37.38 | Zolden | DeadZergling no drone, sry |
| 22:37.39 | Zandose | wants to know what MoonEater is doing |
| 22:37.50 | Zolden | Zandose he's eating a moon!!!! |
| 22:37.57 | MoonEater | wondering about the viability of hots |
| 22:38.03 | MoonEater | its dumb |
| 22:38.24 | MoonEater | blizzard should allow arcade players to use both hots and wol |
| 22:38.41 | Zolden | they will, it's a matter of time |
| 22:38.42 | MoonEater | now we have to pick if we want the fancy stuff or larger player base |
| 22:38.44 | Zandose | Zolden, and why not? thats some good blue cheese there |
| 22:39.36 | Zandose | you cant use both dependencies for wol and hots at the same time? |
| 22:40.00 | Zolden | Zandose i'm ok about it, but it may be not healthy for the eater or for the stability of the earth-moon system |
| 22:40.32 | JademusSreg | There's nothing fancy about HotS. |
| 22:40.40 | Zolden | some stars steal other stars' matter, and it finishes bad for both |
| 22:41.05 | Repo | Updated wiki entry: Galaxy / Data / Behaviors / Buff - http://www.sc2mapster.com/wiki/galaxy/data/behaviors/buff/ |
| 22:41.10 | Zandose | no worries there. the mass and therefore the gravity will just transfer to him but he's already on the moon so no trouble |
| 22:41.11 | JademusSreg | It adds more assets, specifically ragdolls, and physics-related data. The functionality is already there. |
| 22:42.15 | DeadZergling | oh well, I'll make the drone work somehow |
| 22:42.26 | MoonEater | i know |
| 22:42.32 | MoonEater | dont get technical |
| 22:42.35 | MoonEater | but there more stuff |
| 22:42.37 | MoonEater | nice stuff |
| 22:42.38 | MoonEater | like units |
| 22:42.40 | JademusSreg | WoLI don't get any other way. |
| 22:42.41 | MoonEater | and abilities |
| 22:42.43 | Zandose | sees "physics-related data" and is very intrigued. i was under the impression that I had to make my own physics system for my map. I even read a article on it. |
| 22:43.22 | Zandose | I studied vectors goddamnit. i hate vectors |
| 22:43.28 | JademusSreg | The physics-related data defines physics materials, how actors use those materials through physics impact responses, et cetera. |
| 22:44.03 | Zandose | shall return to bug you more about it later. |
| 22:44.12 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 22:44.17 | Zandose | must work on a 3D skills system now |
| 22:46.54 | Zandose | does anyone else for variables add .glo, .loc, .para to their variables? |
| 22:47.28 | Zandose | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.53 | Zandose | Glo. Loc. Para. |
| 22:51.29 | Zolden | lol, fockewulf is back |
| 22:51.42 | Zolden | burning the shit out of blizz on forum |
| 22:52.22 | Zandose | does blizz ever cave in? |
| 22:54.33 | Zolden | who wouldn't facing fockewulf in rage |
| 22:54.42 | Zandose | link please |
| 22:54.50 | MoonEater | same |
| 22:54.58 | Zandose | i must see this greatness |
| 22:55.16 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 22:56.32 | Zolden | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/54563-has-the-arcade-gained-momentum/ |
| 22:56.55 | Zolden | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/general/general-chat/54563-has-the-arcade-gained-momentum/?post=7 |
| 22:56.55 | JademusSreg | Can't entertain rational discussions with the homeless guy shouting its madness into the streets. |
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| 23:00.08 | Zandose | anyone here play diablo 3? |
| 23:00.45 | JademusSreg | Yes. Most well-designed, disappointing game. |
| 23:01.08 | JademusSreg | For all the engaging gameplay, it has a profound lack of content. |
| 23:01.19 | Zandose | i agree |
| 23:01.26 | Zandose | are you still playing? |
| 23:01.32 | MoonEater | lol, they should have made a dev platform |
| 23:01.37 | MoonEater | we could have contented it up |
| 23:01.54 | JademusSreg | No, don't see much point in playing to see the same places only with More Numbers. |
| 23:02.07 | Zolden | they still can use the engine for something |
| 23:02.35 | Zandose | i was thinking of selling my account/character |
| 23:03.16 | JademusSreg | Don't even see the point in playing a different class, as there's no class-specific content branches. |
| 23:03.39 | Zandose | i just picked the strongest class. barb |
| 23:04.37 | Kueken | I play occasionally |
| 23:04.50 | Kueken | the gameplay itself is still engaging and fun |
| 23:04.58 | Kueken | yet not rewarding at all |
| 23:05.14 | Zandose | i only like like a hour or two every day or so |
| 23:05.20 | JademusSreg | Use your Numbers to fight Higher Numbers to get More Numbers. |
| 23:05.26 | Kueken | so I end up playing half an hour, then stop for a week |
| 23:05.28 | Zandose | i only play for like a hour or two every day or so |
| 23:05.45 | JademusSreg | Why do you want More Numbers? To get More Numbers, obviously. |
| 23:05.49 | Kueken | and a couple of days after each new patch :D |
| 23:06.18 | Zandose | i can barely play public games because people without enough damage come in and im stucking doing all the work |
| 23:06.56 | Zandose | on another note. Can I attach a image to a model? |
| 23:07.15 | Zolden | JademusSreg real life is also about the numbers, but there are more numbers involved |
| 23:07.20 | Kueken | what do you mean? |
| 23:07.36 | Zolden | Zandose as a dialog? |
| 23:07.38 | Zolden | yes |
| 23:07.55 | Zandose | Take a flat square model, slap a image on it, show it |
| 23:08.01 | Zandose | no dialog |
| 23:08.15 | Zolden | as a splat? yes too |
| 23:08.19 | JademusSreg | http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=world%20of%20warcraft%2C%20%20starcraft%202%2C%20%20diablo%203%2C%20%20league%20of%20legends%2C%20%20&date=1%2F2007%2073m&cmpt=q |
| 23:08.28 | MoonEater | lol |
| 23:08.48 | JademusSreg | Note the profound disappointment engendered in the decline in Diablo 3. |
| 23:09.08 | MoonEater | poor blizzard |
| 23:09.14 | MoonEater | a game that didnt sell well |
| 23:09.38 | Zolden | sc2 is in the ass ;/ |
| 23:09.57 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 23:10.03 | Kueken | D3 sold very well |
| 23:10.13 | Kueken | afaik |
| 23:10.23 | Zandose | Zolden what are splats and how do they work? |
| 23:10.28 | Kueken | just the people didn't keep playing it |
| 23:10.39 | Zolden | http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=penis%2C%20%20vagina&date=1%2F2007%2073m&cmpt=q |
| 23:11.00 | Zandose | D3 was hyped too much and the actual game itself lacks contents at launch. something you expected blizz not to do |
| 23:11.07 | Zolden | Zandose they are projections on terrain mesh |
| 23:11.24 | Zandose | then not what i need |
| 23:11.30 | Kueken | also, they are pretty static |
| 23:11.30 | JademusSreg | Some models accept splats as well. |
| 23:11.43 | Zandose | so, a flast square model which I can attach a image to |
| 23:12.02 | Zandose | probably via the texture method?' |
| 23:12.03 | Kueken | splats don't accept dynamic rotation or texture changes |
| 23:12.27 | Kueken | at least if you are referring to the splat actor type |
| 23:12.49 | Zandose | no splats please |
| 23:12.49 | Kueken | there are some fake splats, which are just model actors |
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| 23:12.54 | MoonEater | SUp Bro |
| 23:13.00 | MoonEater_mobile | Homie g |
| 23:13.07 | MoonEater | having a convo with myself |
| 23:13.12 | MoonEater_mobile | Best way to do it |
| 23:13.17 | MoonEater_mobile | OK off to the store |
| 23:14.25 | Zolden | JademusSreg check this and try to guess, waht was the reason of the peak http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=stanislaw%20Lem%2C%20%20philip%20dick&date=1%2F2007%2073m&cmpt=q |
| 23:14.35 | Zolden | without checking it by mousovering |
| 23:15.05 | Zolden | MoonEater share a moon with your brother like jesus did |
| 23:15.24 | MoonEater | lol |
| 23:15.32 | JademusSreg | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2065103/Stanislaw-Lem-Google-Doodle-Interactive-animation-celebrates-sci-fi-genius-work.html |
| 23:16.36 | JademusSreg | Too late. |
| 23:17.48 | Zandose | does the game have any models which are square and flat so I use Texture Select By ID to show a image on it? |
| 23:18.12 | Zandose | well any plain models |
| 23:18.20 | Kueken | the ground decals maybe |
| 23:19.12 | Zandose | is that a doodad? |
| 23:19.13 | JademusSreg | The RTT models. |
| 23:19.20 | Kueken | if no suitable model exists, you can ask someone to make it for you |
| 23:19.37 | Kueken | do the RTT models work with image textures? |
| 23:19.41 | Zandose | ^ i know but i hate to bug people about that kind of stuff |
| 23:19.44 | Kueken | NEVER USED THE VIDEO ONES |
| 23:19.47 | Kueken | CAPS |
| 23:19.50 | Kueken | yay |
| 23:20.32 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 23:20.54 | Zandose | Whats RTT models? |
| 23:21.22 | Zolden | they can translate what model cameras see |
| 23:21.49 | Zandose | does not understand |
| 23:21.59 | Zolden | you can search on forum, there were vids |
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| 23:25.03 | Zandose | is it like a model has camera data and a player can use that camarea data to change the camera position and angle of their camera? like making the players camera look at a model from a certain angle. |
| 23:26.26 | Zolden | model has a camera, another (or the same) model is a screen |
| 23:26.45 | Zolden | unit uses the model, screen model translates what the camera see |
| 23:27.06 | Zolden | and it's a different kind of camera, not the one we play through |
| 23:27.08 | Zolden | model camera |
| 23:27.13 | Zolden | different kind |
| 23:27.28 | Zolden | only it can be used for RTT textures |
| 23:27.33 | Zandose | oh |
| 23:27.44 | Zandose | the demo map shows it well |
| 23:28.54 | Zolden | ok, time to dissociate consciousness for a few hours |
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| 23:42.53 | Wrath | GAHHH! THIS IS SO FRUSTRATING! |
| 23:43.24 | Wrath | The only way to get a unit to move without turning is by unchecking turnable... |
| 23:43.56 | Wrath | But then they can't be turned by trigger in place of that |
| 23:44.09 | Zandose | you cant use hovering movement or something? |
| 23:44.24 | Wrath | You mean a different mover? |
| 23:44.35 | Wrath | I dunno, maybe. I looked at them and they didn't have any options regarding turning, though. |
| 23:45.00 | Zandose | i have no idea because i've never done it but i recall something like hovering units can move without turning |
| 23:45.18 | Zandose | hmm |
| 23:45.31 | Wrath | I'm using a ground unit... I tried unchecking turnable, then using a trigger to turn it when a move command is issued |
| 23:45.50 | Wrath | But then for some reason it only moves/turns properly in a ~45 degree arc around the X axis of the map |
| 23:45.51 | Zandose | why do you not want to use normal turning>? |
| 23:46.06 | Wrath | It's a hellion, and I want it to move backwards without turning |
| 23:46.19 | Wrath | As well as sometimes at an angle to the direction it's moving |
| 23:46.50 | Zandose | so you want the movement and the turning to be seperate things |
| 23:46.54 | Zandose | tough one |
| 23:47.17 | Wrath | Yeeeeeeeeep |
| 23:47.36 | Wrath | Might have to create some complicated system of actor messages |
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| 23:48.05 | Zandose | i can only think of something along these lines. make the unit unturnable and change the mover to hover and use a data script to check angle to determine if it should turn of now |
| 23:48.14 | Zandose | i can only think of something along these lines. make the unit unturnable and change the mover to hover and use a data script to check angle to determine if it should turn or not |
| 23:48.36 | Zandose | you using triggers? |
| 23:49.40 | Wrath | I was, yeah |
| 23:49.48 | Wrath | I'd prefer to avoid it as much as possible |
| 23:50.12 | Zandose | im a trigger man. i know nothing about data |
| 23:51.00 | Wrath | I can handle both, but there seems to be a distinct lack of data options here |
| 23:51.30 | Zandose | don't think it was intended in the make of the game for a unit to move backwards without turning |
| 23:51.39 | Zandose | i dont recall any units doing it |
| 23:53.41 | Kueken | if you want it to behave like the Phoenix aka always face the angle he attacks, its doable by attaching it to an invisible turret |
| 23:54.29 | Kueken | if you need something like tracking mouse movement, you can use the same method and make the weapon attack an invisible unit moved periodically with the mouse position |
| 23:55.07 | AndChat|453921 | Damn |
| 23:55.11 | AndChat|453921 | Laggy! |
| 23:55.13 | Wrath | Ehrm I want it to move one direction and face another but not involving attacks |
| 23:55.23 | Kueken | then clarify |
| 23:55.48 | Kueken | when does it face which direction and why |
| 23:55.50 | AndChat|453921 | How do u want to do this? |
| 23:56.01 | AndChat|453921 | What kind of controls |
| 23:56.01 | Wrath | Essentially Mario KArt |
| 23:56.03 | Wrath | *Kart |
| 23:56.06 | Wrath | WASD |
| 23:56.28 | Wrath | I'd love to do the WASD all in data but the turning is looking to be impossible except by trigger |
| 23:56.35 | AndChat|453921 | So jet plane? |
| 23:56.56 | Wrath | On hold S, the "kart" has to move backwards but stay facing forwards |
| 23:57.18 | Wrath | But on hold W it moves forwards facing forwards, on WA it moves forwards turning left, on WD it moves forwards turning right |
| 23:57.21 | AndChat|453921 | Ya so use event hey pressed |
| 23:57.31 | Wrath | Event key pressed is laggy |
| 23:57.46 | Wrath | It has to be initiated by data at least |
| 23:57.59 | Wrath | It's fine if there's some sort of trigger maintenance of it though |
| 23:58.16 | Zandose | any method to change the units direction based on the players input will lag |
| 23:58.30 | Wrath | Not lag, but delay |
| 23:58.46 | Zandose | meant that |
| 23:58.46 | Kueken | when testing this extensively, the difference between a data initiated input and a key press event is negligible |
| 23:58.50 | AndChat|453921 | Use a data catch |
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| 23:59.16 | AndChat|453921 | Initially triggers on key down |
| 23:59.19 | Wrath | Not on Battlenet it isn't |
| 23:59.23 | Zandose | I have a system if you just want WSAD movement system |
| 23:59.26 | Wrath | Data WASD is much more responsive |
| 23:59.35 | Kueken | not really |
| 23:59.44 | Zandose | ^ |
| 23:59.53 | Zandose | i thought the tests shows little difference |
| 23:59.54 | Bounty | Soviet Russia Kart Racing |
| 23:59.56 | Bounty | What do you guys think? |
